Casting News

Sean Bean and more cast in pilot

It’s official. The Hollywood Reporter has confirmed that Sean Bean will be playing Eddard Stark in the Game of Thrones pilot. They also mention that the roles of Jon, Viserys and Joffrey have been cast and that the role of Robert is almost filled. Update: You can read GRRM’s reactions to the casting news here.

Sean Bean has nabbed the lead in “Game of Thrones,” HBO’s adaptation of the George R.R. Martin fantasy-book series. Tom McCarthy is directing; David Benioff and D.B. Weiss, who wrote the screenplay, are executive producing.

Mark Addy is in final negotiations to also join the production. Kit Harrington, Jack Gleeson and Harry Lloyd also have come aboard.

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Bean will play Lord Eddard “Ned” Stark, known for his sense of honor and justice, who becomes closest adviser to King Robert (Addy).

Harrington will play Jon Snow, Bean’s bastard son, and Lloyd will play Viserys, a powerless ruler who seeks to marry off his sister to a powerful king. Gleeson will play Joffrey, King Robert’s son.

Winter Is Coming: Well, looks like my source was right. Awesome news. We have our big name. Sean Bean is (most likely) the biggest star this production will have. He carries with him not only a big name, but also a sizable fan base that will help boost the ratings. Oh, and he is a terrific actor. And, of course, he was a fan favorite. Guess David and Dan weren’t lying when they said they would listen to our casting suggestions?

As to the others, Mark Addy is an interesting choice. I’m assuming it is more or less a done deal that he will be brought on. The thing I immediately recognized him from was his old network sitcom Still Standing, so it will be weird for me, seeing him in a medieval-fantasy drama (something you certainly can’t say of Bean). He was however in A Knight’s Tale so he is no stranger to period pieces.

Kit Harington, Jack Gleeson and Harry Lloyd are all essentially unknowns. I suspect we will see quite a few other unknowns by the time this casting is all said and done. In fact, with the exception of Catelyn, Jaime and Cersei, we probably will not have heard of any of the remaining cast. But we got Bean.

283 Comments

  • I think WiC's source is GRRM.

    :)

    The big name is going to do a lot in the way of helping this show get picked up. The diligence of this casting promises a very seriously taken pilot which is great!

    That image of Kit Harrington floating around, man, YEP that's Jon Snow! I feel like we are in good hands.

    Now I just wonder if GRRM was being prophetic, and if there is one more "bean" to spill before the casting is complete.

    :)

    …ryan

  • Mark Addy is a decent choice. Not sure he looks entirely right but he's definately talented enough to do the role. Also he was in 'The Full Monty' a few years back.

  • I have to say, I hate these late night casting announcements. I'm always like 8 or 9 hours late on getting up the most exciting posts!

    Of course, you could say I was 5 days early on the Sean Bean part. ;)

  • Mark Addy and Sean Bean were in the serial killer trilogy RED RIDING together and both gave knockout performances..

  • Interesting… As someone else pointed out in the comments of the previous post, GRRM doesn't include Catelyn in the list of roles still needing to be filled. I wonder if that was on purpose. Perhaps the next casting announcement will have details on female cast selections. :)

  • @Winter

    If you weren't already, you now are going to be the penultimate source for GoT rumors. Time to start staying up for the late night announcements!!

    only once you've beaten Reuters to an announcement can you be the ULTIMATE source.

    And yes, your Sean Bean rumor caused quite the stir. Here, on Twitter and elsewhere. All eyes on you now. No pressure!

    Might be time to put up a casting inventory, with names, previous experience, headshots, relevant video and perhaps fan reaction, for each cast member after they are announced. I would help you build it if you wanted.

    Great news today!

    …ryan

  • Addy should be okay, looks good in the few bearded/serious-looking pictures there are. I mostly associate him with humorous, not to say jolly roles … but I'm sure he's the right kind of talent.

    For the rest, I trust the picks, and like the looks. There are some seriously evil and mad pictures of Lloyd out there, and Harrington fits perfectly in my mind, better than I hoped for. Plus the face is not conventional/stereotypical, for lack of a better expression. Given that they passed on some options we quite liked here, I'm sure they got even better choices, so there's nothing to worry. Martin also apperently watched some readings and loved their performance.

    @Winter: the Wikipedia article gave credit where credit was due. Still, you could consider changing time zones :)

  • I so hope Gillian Anderson will play Catelyn. I saw her performance in "A Doll's House" and was floored: her range and ability to project emotions is amazing. Currently I can't think of a better candidate for the role.

  • "Interesting… As someone else pointed out in the comments of the previous post, GRRM doesn't include Catelyn in the list of roles still needing to be filled. I wonder if that was on purpose. Perhaps the next casting announcement will have details on female cast selections. :)"

    Let's hope so!

  • Ryan: I always check THR, Variety, my email, Twitter, etc. to see if anything was announced before I go to bed. Of course, they announce it late at night (on a Sunday too!?) and it was the first time in weeks that I went to bed before 11!

    May be time for me to get another writer on board. Someone on the West Coast, or even in Europe, so we can have round the clock Thrones news.

    I do plan to put up a FAQ type post soonish. I'll have a link to it on the front page and keep it updated with any news we get. Although with the cast growing in size quite a bit yesterday, and still many more roles to fill, a separate post with confirmed casting announcements might be a good idea.

  • Anyone else seriously confused over the "40 year winter" comment on the news story. Can't any news outlet (other than WIC :) ) get the details correct? Its not that difficult.

  • I've been wondering about that … wouldn't the source of the news be HBO / the producers? every news outlet mainly just adapts the original announcement slightly, if at all. Why would they include the "40-year winter" crap?

  • Also, yeah…the summary in the Hollywood Reporter article is a little weird. o_O "40 year winter"?

  • WiC, if you're serious about someone from Europe, maybe I can help out.

    I'm impressed with the casting choices so far, btw. It certainly looks very promising.

  • Oh, nice :D
    I saw Harry Lloyd in Robin Hood BBC series.

    I dunno about Kit Harrington or Jack Gleeson, hope they're good choices…

    Of course, Sean Bean and Addy are great!

  • I had Harry Lloyd pegged as Jon Snow about 18 months ago, but he's a good enough actor to play Viserys. He's been in Doctor Who, the UK's (rather crap) version of Robin Hood and if memory serves, he's the actual great great great grandson of Charles Dickens.

  • Wow, the more I read (and the more photos I see) of Kit Harrington (AKA Jon Snow), the more impressed I get.

    Its funny that we worry SO MUCH about the casting of Ned, Robert, etc, but its Tyrion, Dany, and Jon Snow who will have to carry this series if it is to survive…

  • Parris noted on the westeros forums that Mark Addy's audition tape was very convincing, and I trust her opinion.

    Well one thing I know is, if we get another writer, HearMeRoar must be his/her nickname. :D

    But I'll also settle for OursIsTheFury or WeDoNotSow.

  • Harry Llyod was in my perfect cast, as Theon granted, but at least he's in. He can do scary mental really well, so the 'wake the dragon' scenes are in very good hands.

    Still feel the series needs a big name to carry it through other seasons though.

  • "Still feel the series needs a big name to carry it through other seasons though."

    Maybe for Catelyn?

  • Well, the Gillian Anderson rumours would, if true, provide some star power through at least series 2 and some of 3, but would want to hang around to do later Catelyn? Would any big name actress for that matter?

    Maybe Cersei would be a better pick for a bigger name?

  • Thing is, if they get as far as series four, when Catelyn's role becomes so much less, all the other characters will ~be~ big names by then, even if they're unknown by now.

  • Mark Addy at least looks the part. His work on still standing has me a little worried, just because his "American" accent made me nuts. But, he is a professional and gets plenty of work so, I'm confident he'll pull through.

    Sean Bean is a huge win. I'm curious how they're going to age everyone. Sure, he could play 35, but I'm betting they're going to add a few years to everyone across the board.

  • Quite possibly.

    I was just thnking of The Tudors as a prime example of what I mean. Series One you had Henry played by a known actor in Jonathan Rhys Meyers and then had some star power and experience in chracter acting with Sam Neill. The Tudors did well to elevate and stretch relavtive unknowns in Henry Cavill, James Frain and Natalie Dormer, but still had Jonathan Rhys Meyers as the constant to carry the show after Neill dies at the end of series 1.

    Here with GoT, we have Sean Bean as our version of Sam Neill; representing experience, name value and guranteed good performance. However as yet we don't have a Jonathan Rhys Meyers who can carry the rest of the show while the other actors are getting built.

  • Does he really? I know who he is from seeing him as a dwarf in Narnia. Beyond that, couldn't say. If they wanted star power dwarf acting, they'd have cast Warwick Davis as I think everyone knows who he is. He wouldnt neccessarily have been right for the role, but probably the next most likely.

    Without being 'sizest' he isn't really the same as what I was suggessting.

  • Well, I think that HBO's first aim would be making these young actors stars, like in everyone of their shows, just think about the Rome cast.

  • nice job on the Harrington pick, just visually. Neither he nor Bean were who I pictured as Jon/Ned, but I like that there's a resemblance between them

  • Rome is another good example, with Bean/Hinds compaired, but even they they had James Purefoy and to a lesser extent Kevin McKidd as already established actors to carry the rest of the show.

  • Hopefully by the time Ned dies, the viewers will be hooked on Dinklage's character, the other lannisters, dany, and the mini-starks. Its a similar situation to us when we read the books. By the time Ned dies, people wont just be watching for sean bean (unless the series is badly made).

  • Indeed (just to add) no doubt plenty of Bean/Ned fans will continue to watch in the hopes of some violent revenge being carried out. ;)

  • If they get someone well known for Catelyn, and have Dinklage there too, I think we'll be well set up. Honestly, HBO series' ~make~ stars out of people who weren't stars before. By the end of A Storm of Swords, if they get that far, I full expect the actors playing Jaime, Jon, Dany etc to be well-known faces who will easily carry the series on alongside Dinklage and a heavily made up well-known actress playing Lady Stoneheart.

  • If either Cersei, Jamie or Catelyn are known actors then I shall be happy. If both the females are, I shall be happier.

  • Yeah, what anon said. Sean Bean is what you might call a 'hook'. I have faith enough in the story.

  • Great news. You can feel the momentum really building now.

    Sean Bean will definitely help get the casual fan's attention and once they're 2 or 3 episodes in they'll be hooked, no doubt.

    Doesn't HBO picking up the full season feel more and more like a foregone conclusion now? I mean, GRRM mentions that the deal with Bean took some time to work out … if it were just for one pilot episode would it really have been that difficult??

  • i don't agree about the known-actor syndrome.

    this series, unlike sopranos, the wire, six feet under, etc. has a best-selling book series behind it. this will bring the missing interest.

    also, actors, like stories, grow in the telling. did you know james gandolfini before sopranos for anything other than beating up patricia arquette in true romance? and yet he has become fairly monumental in the TV world.

    did we know michael c. hall before he played the son and brother who ran the Fisher & Sons funeral parlor in Six Feet Under?

    did we know david duchovny before The X-Files? Jerry Seinfeld before Seinfeld? Jennifer Aniston before Friends?

    you get what i'm saying.

    just cast this "right" and make sure it's acted well. and make sure the writing is better than it should be, and i personally believe we'll be just fine without casting many other known names.

    however, that isn't to stop some b-list talent to this series, especially with dinklage, bean, and potentially gillian anderson attached. hollywood tends to work that way (starfucking i mean, pardon the terminology), so we'll just have to see who emerges in the roles of jaime and cersei (the two next likeliest candidates for a renowned actor).

    personally, i agree with other posters who feel having FEWER known names would serve this series better, we don't want to bring too many actors with "baggage" for their roles in other films.

    …ryan

  • I wouldn't be surprised if some of the other roles are played by lesser known British tv actors – the kind of people that we Brits will vaguely recognise from one show or other, but that people from other countries may never have heard of.

  • Harry Lloyd in that pic looks like a young Nicolas Cage or Keanu Reeves, he possesses that charisma both men has. Kit Harrington, on the other hand, the more I look at his pic the more he reminds me of a character that could play a David, if he could convey that much emotion on photo alone, what more could he do on screen.

    With guys like these on the show, I expect that a lot of the new fans will be of the female species. That is, if they can take how the pilot ends. :D

  • Someone posted this pic of Lloyd on the Westeros forums. Much better visual then all the Robin Hood-related photos I've seen. While still not my ideal Viserys (I've always visualized Simon Woods – Octavian #2 from Rome), after looking at this photo perhaps there's a bit of Viserys in him after all.

  • @Ryan Dunn

    I totally agree with yah, very good points. I was on the verge of posting something very similar but you beat me to it!

  • Should we get that far… Fan reaction to Bean's beheading should be interesting. I know people who stopped watching Deadwood after Wild Bill was murdered, because he was the most well known/familiar character to them. They missed out, obviously, but you've got to expect some fan backlash.

  • I am so excited about this announcement!

    I agree with the others says that I think the series would be better served at this point to have lesser known actors. I'm all for Gillian Anderson as Catelyn and think she would do a great job, but I would be equally as happy with an unknown. Any more 'known' actors (than those who have been already cast) would start carrying barrage from previous roles across–espescially if its someone from sci-fi/fantasy/medieval stuff. Alot of people don't know Dinklage from anything except Narnia, even though he's an awesome comic actor and has been in lots of other things (ahem, cameo on 30 Rock was amazing). Same goes for the Bean/Boromir/LOTR association.

    And, lastly, as a female, that Jon Snow is quite the looker!!

  • Wow. This Lloyd fellow for sure knows how to change personality. He looks completely different in that pic Marko uploaded. He looks like a guy that has just recently escapes from the mad house. Creepy as hell . . .

  • @Anon

    Wasn't Wild Bill killed in like the 3rd or 4th episode in the first season? I hope that people give this more of a chance than that because Ned probably won't be on the steps of the Sept until a bit more into the season…

  • Just fyi, I signed up earlier on one of the big Sean Bean fansites, and chatted a little with some of the fans about the casting. They seem thrilled, and and have been reading the Wikipedia entry on Ned Stark, so they already know about his exit from the series. Many are also planning to read the books prior to the show being filmed too.

  • Harry Lloyd is great, possibly a litle wasted on Viserys when Theon is still about…

    Anyway, just to clear up, when i say big names i'm talking one constant, not a big name for every role. GA could be that with Catelyn, but I stick by sating that whomever is Cersei should be the big name constant.

  • Mixed feelings here, have to be pleased with Bean as Ned. The others I'm not so sure about Addy and Lloyd not what I had in mind appearance wise but are probably good enough to pull it off, Harington just not good enoguh in my opinion given the importance and longevity of the role.

  • Bean's death will definitely shake people up, I know I did when I first read the books. "Oh no they didn't!", as Ned is the (probably) most honorable, good guy in the entire series.

  • @ Anonymous 11:37 AM – How is it possible to judge Harrington at this point as "not good enough"? Hard to tell if someone is good enough when we have very little to go on. All actors have to begin somewhere – and this could very well be his big break. I trust the casting directors didn't just pick him off the side of the road one day because he looked the part. Give them some credit.

  • "Mixed feelings here, have to be pleased with Bean as Ned. The others I'm not so sure about Addy and Lloyd not what I had in mind appearance wise but are probably good enough to pull it off, Harington just not good enoguh in my opinion given the importance and longevity of the role."

    So you've seen Harington in a recent stage production, I take it…?

  • Harington just not good enoguh in my opinion given the importance and longevity of the role.
    Well, GRRM said in his Not a Blog that David and Dan can't say enough about his talent and intensity so I think I'll have faith in what they say. They've been awesome casting so far so if they say Harrington is great, I'll believe them.

  • I always check THR, Variety, my email, Twitter, etc. to see if anything was announced before I go to bed. Of course, they announce it late at night (on a Sunday too!?) and it was the first time in weeks that I went to bed before 11!

    The Reporter is posting late at night the stuff that is getting published in the paper edition that is coming out the next morning, that's why it's getting put up so late at night.

    I got the Variety TV RSS bookmark on my browser, but it looks like HBO is giving their press releases to THR first for some reason.

    THR has a little news widget you can add to your blog. I emailed you a link to it, WiC, not sure if you saw that. Might be useful for you and for us.

  • I've noticed there is some confusion as to the spelling of Kit's surname. THR got it wrong (or there was a typo in the source material), and there are further misspelled versions abound :) Checking a bit, you can see that the right spelling is with a single R, so HARINGTON. Hope his name soon becomes a household one ;)

  • "So you've seen Harington in a recent stage production, I take it…?"

    Seen him in War Horse at the national and thought he was awful. Here is a review that tends to agree with that assesment:

    http://www.thisislondon.co.uk/theatre/show-23374823-details/War+Horse/showReview.do?reviewId=23557149

    and I quote "Unfortunately, Kit Harington’s Albert is comprehensively out‑acted by Joey, as well as a marvellously inquisitive wheeled goose."

    Should point out for those that don't know Joey is a horse btw. If you ask me they sacrificed talent for looks on this one, disappointing.

  • I'm absolutely loving all of this casting news. I think Sean Bean is perfect. Not sure how I feel about Mark Addy…but since all of you are excited that makes me feel a little better.

    Anyone know when they expect to start filming? I'm dying for this series to start! :)

  • Given that the show will involve Others, Direwolves, seven-foot tall warriors, dragons and folks with violet eyes and platinum hair, I doubt they've cast Jon Snow on looks alone.

    P.S. Also would like to see C4 News' Jon Snow in a cameo…

  • Well, I'm willing to give Harrington the benefit of the doubt. I think it would be hard not to be upstaged by gigantic horse puppets. There must have been something in his audition to make them cast him in such a huge role. I guess time will tell…

  • This is very interesting. For so much time, we had no news, and than, suddenly King Robert, Ned, Jon, Viserys, Joffrey. I wonder how long will we wait to hear next casting news? Hopefully, it won't take long. And, abut actors: all of them seems like very good choice.

  • Ser_not_appearing…can you not post blatant spoilers without a huge SPOILER ALERT or something? It's just rude and disrespectful to anyone who hasn't read the books and just wants news on the show…

  • and I quote "Unfortunately, Kit Harington’s Albert is comprehensively out‑acted by Joey, as well as a marvellously inquisitive wheeled goose."

    While I have not seen this play, the reviews the run with Kit Harington seem mixed. I think the circumstances involved in the play itself make it hard to judge his acting ability based on this role alone. I found this snippet in Berkshire Review for the Arts

    "The linchpin, however, is one person, the remarkable Kit Harrington as Albert, who must convince us that passion for a horse is the moral equivalent of honor in battle… Harrington's intensity of feeling toward Joey is shattering."

    Sounds like he could be a Jon Snow. GRRM also mentioned his intensity.

    Here's a link:
    http://berkshirereview.net/2009/07/14/war-horse-national-theatre-michael-morpurgo-nick-stafford/
    for anyone who's interested, they give a pretty good synopsis of the play. It sounds interesting.

  • @ Anon 12:33

    Why would you want to even know about the show if you hadn't read the books? Talk of Ned's head abound on this site several people have profiles named for it. If you hadn't figured out he dies by now, you obviously hadn't been paying much attention to anything here.

  • Ok I was really bored and excited at the same time right now, so I made this in PS real quick to see if Lloyd has the looks for Viserys:

    Viserys

    xD

  • @anonymous 12:38…blatant spoilers are what they are. Ruining the show for people who haven't read the books doesn't help the series any. Maybe you should think a bit before you type. It helps.

  • Has it ever been ruled out that Tom McCarthy will play any role?

    I notice he has a beard these days, certainly didn't last year.

    Maybe a minor role. Someone that dies in the Pilot?

  • well don;t trust a theatre critic on Harrington. Critics are usually wrong. Everyone seems good to go, especially Sean Bean as Ned, with the exception of Mark Addy. I can't see him as Robert. Wasn't Robert big and tall and strong as well as fat? Maybe I only saw him in my mind that way, not sure. If so, Addy doen't fit the role very well, although I like him as an actor. Hopefully, he can pull it off.

  • us2809 – Ok I was really bored and excited at the same time right now, so I made this in PS real quick to see if Lloyd has the looks for Viserys:

    Viserys

    xD

    Love it!

    Marko – I've noticed there is some confusion as to the spelling of Kit's surname. THR got it wrong (or there was a typo in the source material), and there are further misspelled versions abound :) Checking a bit, you can see that the right spelling is with a single R, so HARINGTON. Hope his name soon becomes a household one ;)

    Thanks for pointing that out! Googling the correct spelling gets me better results ;) Winter, perhaps you should correct that in your post also.

    Anonymous
    Ser_not_appearing…can you not post blatant spoilers without a huge SPOILER ALERT or something? It's just rude and disrespectful to anyone who hasn't read the books and just wants news on the show…

    Umm, yeah. It'll be very hard to avoid those kinds of spoilers here as this is a place for FANS of the book who are excited about the possible show. I'd suggest you just read WiC's posts and the major magazine website articles AND avoid the comments if you don't want to be spoiled.

  • @us2809 – Nice job with the photo.

    Although I don't think the hair color suits Lloyd very well. :(

  • @Ray you might want to read WiC's posts here about spoilers. I believe he asked folks to keep it spoiler free.

  • @Ray WiC himself asked for people not to put up blatant spoilers. But that's a fair suggestion, about not reading comments. I've read the books 5 times over, but just thinking about people who haven't is all.

  • Anachronite: I would like to keep it as spoiler free as possible, yes. If you wish to discuss a major spoiler, try to mark it as such in your comment. However in discussions like this I realize that a spoiler here or there may slip out. Just want to avoid spoiling someone unnecessarily is all.

    All that being said, any one that comes onto a fan site like this one has to realize that the potential for spoilers is there, especially in the comments. So it is kinda proceed at your own risk, as well.

  • @Winter: You're welcome. Perhaps you should correct it in the THR quote as well, if you allow yourself that much editing.

  • "@anonymous 12:38…blatant spoilers are what they are. Ruining the show for people who haven't read the books doesn't help the series any. Maybe you should think a bit before you type. It helps."

    It's astonishing that someone who hasn't read very far into the series would even come here and read this stuff. I guess I just find it odd how someone could be a huge fan (hence coming here reading the comments on a blog for a show which doesn't even start filming until October) and come here but have not read the entire series or at least most of it?

  • Here are some images of Addy with facial hair. I pictured him as more of a Varys or Dontos, but hey…acting ability and make-up can make any actor into a character.
    http://www.revolvingdoorstheatre.co.uk/Images/markaddythumbnail.jpg
    http://content7.flixster.com/photo/89/43/15/8943153_tml.jpg

    1. Thanks so much for your diligent work, WiC. These updates are often times the highlights of my day!

    2. I agree with the comments about HBO "making" actors, and there seems to be enough well known talent to bring fans into the series, which I don't think will be a problem considering True Blood's success with very few named actors and an even smaller book fan-base.

    3. All of this recent news seems to tell us that HBO is gearing up to make this show a major endeavor. With the casting investments they've made, I can't help but think that they're going to order at least the first season, and unless the show bombs majorly, they will probably keep it rolling for the entirety of the books. Now if only GRRM can get out the last 3 books before HBO catches up!

    Valar Morghulis.

  • Kit Harington has received a lot of praise from several critics from what i've seen. So i'm not too worried.

    Also, i think i trust the people in charge of the casting, anyway.

  • yes, put up the spoiler alert people. the show creators don't spoil the film when talking about it, they use phrases like (SPOILER ALERT:) "the things i do for love," and we use terms like "the red wedding," for a reason.

    just be mindful to those who might only be halfway through book one and excited to see the show get picked up.

    @nicole: thanks for that catch. fixed and fixed.

    @Børre: i couldn't agree with you more. i feel like we are in great hands with the producers and casting, they have diligently been scouring the globe from nyc to sydney to northern ireland looking for talent. they're digging into the UK stage acting circuit and unearthing young talent.

    they know what they're doing. they also know they won't be able to please everyone, but i trust they are ensuring that whomever they cast can "act" and pull off the parts they are reading for.

    …ryan

    …ryan

  • I know some people are on the fence about the Robert casting, but I definitely saw him as one of the roles that, with all the interest and auditions, it would be INCREDIBLY hard to cast poorly.

    the roles that i think will be easy to cast poorly are robb, the hound, jaime, bran and arya. so, most of the stark children, lol. i worry that bran won't be sweet/serious enough and arya won't be scrappy enough. i've always had SUCH a hard time making a mental picture of robb in my head, which is why i'm nervous they could cast him poorly

    for jaime, i don't want them going overboard on him being a heartthrob. i don't even know if anyone even mentions him as being super-hot (ie – everyone swooning over loras), besides the fact that we know the lannister twins are good looking.

    there are roles that will be easy to cast right, on the other hand. for me, robert was one of them, with stannis, tywin, bronn and maesters luwin and pycelle being other ones i can think of off the top of my head.

  • @WiC

    I see where you're coming from, just saying that I think it's odd anyone would be trolling around in here if they where not huge GRRM fans is all.

    Of course I always follow the rules and I don't post any blatant spoilers, ever.

  • @WiC

    That is a very good point though WiC. I didn't think about it that way and it definitely makes alot more sense when yah put it that way, lol.

  • Oooo Harry Lloyd. He played a creep prince in The Devil's Whore and was awesome in BBC's Robin Hood. He'll do an excellent job.

  • Has anyone photoshopped a picture of Dinklage as Tyrion yet? I have a little bit of trouble picturing him as blonde.

  • @Anonymous 2:03 PM – Good shot of Addy there. Is that from The Order? That's at least one non-comedic film role for him right there. I had completely forgotten about that movie.

  • 1. Really excited about the casting news, each of them, even Sean Bean (the rumors were hard to believe).
    2. Not worried about bad reviews about individual actors–I'm sure they directors liked what they saw and know what good acting is.
    3. SPOILER ALERT: All Men Must Die.
    4. To Powers-That-Be: Please find the perfect Catelyn-who-is-clearly-not-Gillian-Anderson.
    5. Legion–I totally agree. Sam Neill was to the Tudors what Sean Bean is to GoT. I agree also with other posts that there's probably enough star power, and that the story will have grabbed imaginations by then, enough to put characters and actors into viewers' hearts.

  • Sean Bean is awesome. No arguing there. I'm thrilled that we have a guy like him in these series (even if it is for just one season, no matter if HBO will continue with the next books/seasons).

    BUT…

    Sean Bean is not a Stark as far as looks go. He lacks the frozen-face-dead-serious-guy aura. Sean Bean, on the contrary, looks cunning and even mischievous, especially when he smiles. I always imagined him as Bronn.

    Sigh. You can't please everybody.

    I'm sure he'll do a great job, despite the fact that he doesn't quite resemble my mental image of Ned.

  • Anon @2:27,

    I think the same thing. But Sean Bean is definitely a great actor and he's a star, so really he's better as Eddard Stark, and he will be more than fine.

  • Interesting that Kit Harington is 22. Perhaps they did age Jon Snow up purposefully, and the sides weren't a typo. Maybe for some butt-naked shots of him when he's (SPOILER:) hip-deep in Ygritte.

    Still, he looks young. They might be able to get away with saying Jon Snow is 17 or 18. And it's been said the intensity he brought to War Horse was spectacular, especially in his interaction with "Joey." (a puppet horse)

    That's like perfect training for CGI acting. If he can love a puppet horse, he can love Ghost.

    I want to see him next to the actor playing Robb, whenever we get that.

    Do we have an age on the Batman Beyond kid yet?

  • I wouldn't be surprised if Steve Buscemi (read: someone unexpected and famous) showed up as a secondary character in hypothetical season 2 or 3, etc, to give a little star-stir, as these shows often like to do.

  • I can't find anything offical on Gleeson, but I believe he is somewhere in the 16/17 age range.

  • Are there any more recent images of Jack Gleeson? How old is he? In the photo posted above he looks about 10. Joff is a nasty cry baby, but he's not supposed to look like a little kid.

    For that matter, how old is Harington?

    I'm surprised there hasn't been more talk on whether or not they've aged up the younger characters (maybe because no one else can tell, either).

  • @yea high…

    he's 14, and goes to school in dublin, from what i've gleaned on other boards where people claim to know the boy.

    …ryan

  • @bardamu

    i was wondering this afternoon actually, how many agents were calling the actors they represented, telling them the casting news and how it would be a smart move to get involved in this series.

    look out for some 9th inning surprises methinks.

    …ryan

  • @bardamu

    Steve Buscemi is supposed to be the lead in Boardwalk Empire, right? So I don't think that's possible.

  • - The 40 Year Winter

    take THAT, associated press…

    In all fairness to the Associated Press, that article you linked came from Reuters and it was merely quoting the original Hollywood Reporter article, anyway, which also got it wrong.

  • I was basing my age estimate off of comments on the imdb site (via Gleeson's profile there) – posters there claim he was 13/14 during 2005/2006 timeframe. That's why I was guessing 16/17…maybe 18. Honestly don't know though.

  • @Ryan Dunn

    You sure that's a pic of Gleeson and not John Bell? That kid looks nothing like the child from Batman Begins.

  • "@anonymous 12:38…blatant spoilers are what they are. Ruining the show for people who haven't read the books doesn't help the series any. Maybe you should think a bit before you type. It helps."

    Hey, i'm sorry if that spoiled you, i just tend to assume anyone posting here will have at least read the first book.

  • Ryan: That is actually John Bell.

    Here is a link to a trailer for A Shine Of Rainbows. Can't view the trailer here at work, so someone else is going to have to take a look and see if Jack Gleeson shows up in the trailer.

  • Gleeson, according to the boards on IMDB, was 14 in 2006, so that would make him 17ish now. One commenter said how tiny he was, so maybe he looks younger than 17. I forget how old Joff is in the casting side, but I think Gleeson will pull it off well.

  • Nicole: I had found that pic as well, but wasn't sure if it was Gleeson since the photo is titled "michael and john." I didn't see any Michaels in the cast for A Shine Of Rainbows though, so maybe he goes by Michael now? Or maybe Jack is his stage name? I don't know.

    Would love to get a current photo of this kid. Maybe when David & Dan get around to posting on Westeros about this latest batch of casting they will have a recent photo for us.

  • I don't think the kid in the yellow raincoat is Gleeson either. :( I'm keeping my fingers crossed someone will be able to dig up his professional headshot somewhere.

  • Jackie Gleason…

    Joffrey (Jackie Gleason), shaking fist at Cersei: Lady Mother! Why I oughtta…. To the Moon, Mother! To the Moon!

    This was my first thought last night after a quick search of jack gleeson. I thought I'd share if there were any The Honeymooners fans out there.

  • WiC–when I saw the picture of the blond boy, I was like "it's him!" I didn't bother to read the caption, heh. But that kid might have made a good Joff as well, no?

  • doh, sorry about the john bell misfire. i think i found jack gleeson though!!

    here's some screengrabs from a low-budget fake trailer he and his buddies made i'm pretty sure…

    - Jack Gleeson, 2009

    - "Painted Chaos" Trailer

    the trailer is pretty remarkably terrible, HOWEVER, you can see how this kid might be able to pull off the role, and i'm actually quite excited about his being cast.

    …ryan

  • Nicole: Yeah, understandable. I agree, that kid could have been a passable Joffrey as well. I'm hoping that this Gleeson kid is a bit more of pretty boy though, y'know? We'll see.

  • Joff is listed in the script as "(13) but tall for his age," which is exactly how he's described in the book. Though only 13, he's of a size with the older Jon Snow and Robb. Joff seems to take after his father, who is also always described as very tall and who won his first tourney melee at only 13.

  • Ryan: I think you win the "find a pic of Jack Gleeson" sweepstakes! That definitely looks like the kid from Batman Begins. And I can see Joffrey. I like that his voice is still high pitched and whiny, perfect!

  • I really hope they pick a good actress for Danny, someone who can look it and maybe also have been heard of or at least someone who can pull off looking like i imagine Danny(Gemma Ward is my fav for that role).
    Also i love these acting choices especially bean. If they keep up the good work with the show i may actually have to get HBO in fall 2010

  • I saw Harry Lloyd's pics and I said: Theon!
    about Kit Harington: I guess I'm the only one, but I can't see him as Jon…

  • The good news and the not so good news…I think all the catsing calls are great and spot on. One more semi big name, say Gillian Anderson, or someone of that caliber, and HBO will almost certainly give it one year. Unless the creators absolutely screw up somehow. The not so good…, any hope of this series ever getting done is now all but officially gone. Note that in GRRM's postings he is already referring to the production as "we", as in 'we cast this guy…' Remember, this was a TV guy who turned back to novels after TV stopped calling. "Dance/Dragons" is still not done, and he just returned from FinnCon, is on his way to WorldCon, and will probably be off to Ireland for the October shoot. In between he is posting to his blog several times a day hocking old material and miniatures. He even was slick enough to throw out some bone about making good progress on the book right before he hit us with the convention tour schedule. It is the same old gripe, and I know we are all sick of hearing it, but the birth of the HBO series spells the end of the story, or worse, a greatly rushed and watrered down version of its ending (sort of like "Feast" was already becoming). Do the math, if the final books (Dance plus two more)of the story take even HALF as long to write as "Dance/Dragons", HBO will get to that part of the story before he does. IF the TV series lasts. If that happens, we get screenplay versions of the story ending. Guess it would be better than nothing, but who would be writing them at that point? We'll be lucky if the series turns out like Rome, One good year, then an abbreviated second season.

  • @Ryan Dunn

    Wow. Nice find! He does look and sound fairly young – they just need to do something with that mop of hair he has. :)

  • Dizzy–that's really interesting, I always imagined Tywin as a Malcolm McDowell type. But I definitely see what you mean! I guess McDowell has always had the crazy/evil Lannister thing down. Um, Caligula?

  • like i imagine Danny(Gemma Ward is my fav for that role).

    Ward does have a great look for the part, though she is like 6' tall (or near enough), and Dany is supposed to be pretty petite – tiny next to Drogo and really all of her protectors, like Jorah and the Bloodriders. This can be cheated and it's not the most important thing for the part, just something to consider. Also, it could work to make her seem more regal once she comes into her full power and majesty.

    I'm not familiar with her acting, so I can't comment there, but boy, she's got some ethereal beauty, that girl.

  • rutger hauer is how i pictured tywin also, and i don't think he's too old is he?

    …ryan

  • Rutger Hauer is about 65ish? So, no, I don't think he'd be too old. And I think he would make a great Tywin.

  • @ Ashli

    -Nice pic of Emily Browning. Good point about her looks. Is she in the running at all? I'm not familiar with her.

  • good work winteriscoming…Hope to see Micheal Hogan as Tywin and Lina Leanderson as Arya.

  • Just to add to Ryan Dunn's great finds on Jack Gleeson. I'm pretty sure this is him, in the centre in the red cape, from January 2009.

  • The problem with Hogan is I'll just keep seeing Colonel Tigh. Lina Leandersson…I don't know if she would fit the description, but I loved Let The Right One In and want to see her in more.

  • First thing I thought when I saw Harry Lloyds name was that he was cast as Theon.

    Will be good as Viserys as well though.

  • Damn, I am even more excited now! So far (besides the relatively unknowns with only small parts like Lloyd, Harington, etc.) the actors cast are actually the people I pictured in my mind. This is great.

  • @Ryan Dunn
    Your Lord of Casterly Rock has too much hair. I was under the impression that he shaved his head and also that he had a beard.

    And the Sansa casting, it needs to be a 18yo girl so she can do the nude scenes, or at least 17 so she'll be 18 by the time they get there.

  • if there's one thing I'm sure of, it's that hair can be changed. Rutger Hauer is an excellent actor who can carry himself with the grace, confidence, and ice chill demeanor of Tywin, don't you think?

    Regarding Sansa, yes jodelles a bit too young. That's still who I envision in the books though!!

    …ryan

  • Imo Ferland might be quite good as Arya, not so much as Sansa. Ferland has something wild/mischievous in her appearance, like Arya should. At least judging by the pictures, haven't seen her acting anywhere afaik.

  • @ Ashli: According to GGRM, casting has continued "most recently in Australia".

    Emily Browning is Australian (although I'm not sure that's where she still lives). I agree that she has an unusual sort of beauty that would fit the part of Dany.

  • I find it hard to believe that it will not go forward as a series after this.

  • Gemma Ward and Emily Browning are both Australian actresses and according to GRRM, HBO has recently been casting in Australia.

    Are there any other Australians who have been discussed as casting possibilities?

  • There's Emily de Ravin, from LOST and Brick, who is now only in occasional episodes of LOST, since her incident as Claire. Who might she be good as, anyone?

    …ryan

  • De Ravin is back full-time for Season 6 of LOST, which overlaps the shooting of the pilot (which is the same reason Josh Holloway has been dismissed as a contender for Jaime Lannister, apart from his apparent issue doing accents). She could of course appear later in S1 and then in later seasons, but I'm not immediately thinking of a role for her. She's too young to be Cersei and too old to be Dany (and not really a fit in either case).

  • addy will make a brilliant robert…robert is nothing lordlike…hes a comical slob and i think addy was the perfect choice…if you saw him in a knights tale he can sure pull off the part

  • Isnt Robert Baratheon supposed to be pretty tall? Mark Addy isnt, not by a long shot. So I hope they make him where some kind of special boots to give him a few extra inches..

  • Addy is listed at 5'10" and Robert is supposed to be something on the order of 6'5", Ned like 5'11 or 6 '0.

  • I agree above that Charles Dance would be a pretty impressive Tywin, Ed Harris certainly has the ability to pull it off I just imagined him a bit thinner, taller, and older.
    Regardless, acting ability I think is always more important than appearance.

  • @Anonymous

    "The good news and the not so good news…I think all the catsing calls are great and spot on. One more semi big name, say Gillian Anderson, or someone of that caliber, and HBO will almost certainly give it one year. Unless the creators absolutely screw up somehow. The not so good…, any hope of this series ever getting done is now all but officially gone. Note that in GRRM's postings he is already referring to the production as "we", as in 'we cast this guy…' Remember, this was a TV guy who turned back to novels after TV stopped calling. "Dance/Dragons" is still not done, and he just returned from FinnCon, is on his way to WorldCon, and will probably be off to Ireland for the October shoot. In between he is posting to his blog several times a day hocking old material and miniatures. He even was slick enough to throw out some bone about making good progress on the book right before he hit us with the convention tour schedule. It is the same old gripe, and I know we are all sick of hearing it, but the birth of the HBO series spells the end of the story, or worse, a greatly rushed and watrered down version of its ending (sort of like "Feast" was already becoming). Do the math, if the final books (Dance plus two more)of the story take even HALF as long to write as "Dance/Dragons", HBO will get to that part of the story before he does. IF the TV series lasts. If that happens, we get screenplay versions of the story ending. Guess it would be better than nothing, but who would be writing them at that point? We'll be lucky if the series turns out like Rome, One good year, then an abbreviated second season."

    First off don't take this as an insult, but I think you're making a lot of assumptions. Also the series is GRRM's intellectual property, so it's his do with as he wishes (good or bad, I hope he goes with good).

    Also your argument is a very heated one that has been pounded over time and again and most people are split on the issue. GRRM himself has even posted on his site about this very issue/claim and he's aware of this line of thought that you bring up.

  • When I first heard about HBO ordering a pilot for thrones i doubted that it was going to get picked up.
    over the last 9 months or so things have been looking good, especially with quality of directors, actors etc….
    I highly doubt that Sean Bean would've got the role if they weren't definitely going to go ahead with one season…so this settles it for me

  • Curious that David and Dan have been so quiet since this big news about Bean dropped. I believe they posted some comments on Westeros when Dinklage was cast.

    Why nothing this time around? They have to know we're all dying for an update from them at this point. Maybe they're waiting for the rest of the major roles to be cast??

  • @TGrando357

    Damn, I am even more excited now! So far (besides the relatively unknowns with only small parts like Lloyd, Harington, etc.) the actors cast are actually the people I pictured in my mind.

    Harington playing a small part? Have you even read the books?

    (SPOILER) Jon Snow is one of the most important characters, and survives at least to book 5 while Addy, for instance, dies relatively early in season/book 1. (/SPOILER)

  • @RitariKnight

    Really good point. Jon Snow plays such an important role, also he is probably close to the top of the "my favorite characters" selection for a lot of folks.

    Jon snow on youtube

    23k views :)

  • @WiC

    Speaking of favorite characters. Have you ever thought about throwing out a poll for people's favorite characters? Might have done it before and I missed it but if you haven't I think it would be interesting to see who everyone's favorites are! Just a thought.

  • I don't think anyone posted this link yet:
    Slashfilm blog – Blogging the real world writes a short entry about the new casting. Not nearly as thourough as The Wertzone one, but it's a big blog, and I've been approached by people saying: oh, look, there's this show you've been talking about mentioned on the film and tv blog I follow!

  • Re Sansa casting – the casting brief that went out was 13-14 year olds so Jodelle might not be too young. Unless they are lucky enough to find a 16 year old who can pass for 13 – as they have with Jack Gleeson. In that photo of him I posted earlier it shows how small he is compared to his peers (they're all 5th formers i.e. aged 15-16 years)

  • @anon

    I think he has the right look for Jaime. The kicker is that the person who plays Cersei would have to look similar to the Jaime actor, so I'm guessing the two roles are gonna be tougher then finding someone who just looks the part.

  • "The kicker is that the person who plays Cersei would have to look similar to the Jaime actor, so I'm guessing the two roles are gonna be tougher then finding someone who just looks the part."
    You are absolutely right, Rer.But, maybe they will decide that they don't have to be so identical.
    And about Daenerys: I would like to see some fresh face, who has few appearances, but is not very famous. I think the same about all children roles.

  • So far, amazing casting. I agree with previous posters who said that they didn't imagine Ned as Sean Bean: most of the time, he plays tormented, restless (and/or charming) characters, who are quite the opposite of the stone-faced, gloomy chilliness of Stark. However, I think that he will surprise us, and he will pull off a great Ned. Plus, he is an old-old favourite actor of mine, so I couldn't be happier.

    As for Mark Addy, he has the booming voice, he has the looks, and I loved him in The Full Monty – I haven't seen him in a dramatic role so far, but I think he will be great. The young 'uns… looks-wise, they are perfect (at least Harry Lloyd and Kit Harrington), and I trust David & Dan's (and GRRM's) enthusiasm about their acting chops.

    Now I just want Charles Dance for Tywin (as some already suggested here) and John Simm for Littlefinger (amazing actor, he definitely has the looks, charming, cunnning, and almost always plays the good guy, so SPOILER his treason will be shocking SPOILER END):

    http://img140.imageshack.us/img140/2408/simm11va5.jpg
    http://www.radiotimes.com/content/features/galleries/john-simm/06/mainImage.jpg

    By the way, just wanna say a big thank you to WiC for his dedicated work on this blog. :)

  • So we've moved the conversation here …. LOL …. ok, so

    @ Legion – Of the 2, though I might agree with you regarding Warwick Davis having more star power than Dinklage, Davis will always be remembered as Willow, now I love Willow (no shame here), but Davis is also know for using prostetics (Harry Potter, Star Wars) so we hardly ever see him …. Dinklage on the other hand is know for his drama pieces (station agent, Find Me Guilty, the one with Vin Diseal, Narnia) but also know for his bits of comedy (30 Rock, Elf, Underdog) … besides Davis for a little person is too small for Tyrion ….

    @ Ryan – "40 year old Winter" …. Funny

    @US2809 – thanks for the PS of Lloyd, never really seen his work, but he has that Viserys look, especially when you add the hair and the eyes … yeah he has a evil, gaunt look to him …Wake the Dragon indeed!!!

    When it comes to Robert, remember he was a man that at one point was in his prime and now with inactivity, drinking, whoring is now a shadow of his former self … so yeah, I think Addy can pull it off …

    as for Tywin … I could go with either Rutger Howard or Charles Dance as long as their bald, no exceptions …. I read somewhere, someone mentioned Kurtwood Smith (Red from That 70's show)for Tywin and he has that no hair almost down

    let me know guys

  • @Gaines

    I liked the second link of John Simms, the hair did it for me and with a descent mustache (maybe with goatee) and he could pull it off

    Oh I could also see Ed Harris or Patrick Stewart as Tywin … what can I say, have a thing for bald men as do few men can pull it off!!! …. LOL!!!!

  • One more note guys:

    You should know that GoT is going global because I just came from a spanish blog promoting GoT (www.pammhg.com)

    and some have made interesting choices for Littlefinger:

    James Callis & Billy Campbell, I'd go for James Callis

    Here are some more interesting choices:

    Kevin Durand – Gregor Clegane

    Liam Neeson – Ned … to late

    Brandon Gleeson – Robert … same here

    Francis Conroy – Lisa Tully – for me, to old, Lisa is younger than Catelyn

    Katee Sachoff – Brienne Tarth … passable

    Christopher Lee – either as Tywin or Maestre Aemon …

    Any thoughts?

  • Christopher Lee is far too old for Tywin, and perhaps too imposing for Maester Aemon, IMO.

  • @RitariKnight


    Harington playing a small part? Have you even read the books?

    I believe he meant that they only had small parts before GoT.

  • When I saw Harry Lloyd was cast as viserys, emily browning was my immediate thought for dany. However, since the announcement of a tomorrow when the war began film, I've been hoping emily would be cast in that instead. Gemma Ward, too actually (she would make a great fi), even though she was my original favourite choice for dany. Gemma would have looked excellent with simon woods, but I don't think she fits against Harry Lloyd as viserys.

    I'm still hoping for good news about Gillian Anderson

  • @anon: I think Jared Padalacki is too young for Jaime, plus he'll have his hands full with Supernatural.

  • @Ausir: No way! It would be too disgusting. Especially for actors. They will not choose (I really hope so) brother and sister!

  • I wonder what are the consequences and ramifications of Bean's cast as Ned, from an Ageing point-of-view.

    I mean, if Lord Stark is in his forties, how old is Lord Tywin?, Jaime? Littlefinger? How long has been since the Harrenhal Tournament? And Robert's Rebellion?

  • Some of you are taking this age discussion too seriously.

    a)thirty-year-olds in Westeros are not the same as thirty-year-old in our world

    b) The harrenhal tournament and Robert's rebellion are imo completely irrelevant for the tv-show. It's just background history, which isn't needed to tell the story on screen.

  • Apart from the things I pointed out before, my thoughts on the casting:

    Sean Bean: maybe his greater strenght is going to be his great weakness: make us forget about Boromir & Sharpe. I wonder if they'll dye his hair black…

    Mark Addy: i loved him in "Full Monty", but I got a feeling that he doesn't give the looks of a man with a glorious past, a man past his prime… he is simply a chubby fellow.
    I hope I'm wrong and his acting supersedes all this.
    Besides… isn't he a little bit short?

    Kit Harington: did not know, praying D&D doesn't mess up with him. I'm on the "HBO creates great actors" bandwagon. This guy has a lifetime opportunity here, if the series is picked up.

    Harry Lloyd: I didn't know him, but I like his looks.

    Jack Gleeson: I must admit I'd like that Eugene Simon guy very much. I simply don't see Gleeson as Joffrey…
    But then again he has a head start: the series isn't even fully casted and I'm already hating him!! :-)

    Dinklage: 'nuff said. Hope the dye doesn't make us remember certain Alexander the Great movie…

    @WinterisComing: THANK YOU. Been a lurker here for months now, and I had to say it.

  • I was thinking about the age thing.

    With regards to the adults, I don't think it's really the end of the world what age they are, so long as Robert, Ned, Catelyn, Jaime and Cersei look like they could be of a similar age, and Tywin looks older. A 45 year old Ned is not likely to be a significantly different person to a 35 year old Ned. Ditto Cat. Ditto Robert. And so on.

    It's the kids that need to be similar ages to their characters, or at least, look like they could be. An eighteen year old Sansa is not going to be the same person as a twelve year old version, or have the same story arc. A twenty year old Dany will not react and think the same way that a fourteen year old one will.

    So I'm not really worrying about the adult ages at all, storywise. It's the kids I'm more concerned about.

  • dholds: Checking their Westeros account shows David and Dan haven't logged in since Jun 28. The reason for that is simple; they are busy making the pilot.

    A commenter that was at an audition in London said that David and Dan were both there (as well as McCarthy and Nina Gold). So they most likely have been, and still are, traveling the world holding auditions.

    In addition, with filming slated to begin on Oct 12th and production work in Belfast set to begin ~6 weeks prior to that, they are probably working on getting their crew in place so come Sept. they are ready to head to NI and start setting up shop.

    All of this leaves little time to come to the forums and update everyone. At some point they may comment on the Bean casting, but it might not be for a while yet.

  • Well twins with diffrent sexes cannot be identical twins.. so jaime and cercei probably could just look like normal siblings.

  • i would love if they could knock out a teaser trailer for this show as soon as possible.

  • I didn't read through all 200 comments, so someone might have thrown this out there. Who are the front-runners, or who would you like to see play Daenerys? I'm trying to think of a good actress to play her but am drawing a blank. I think Sean Bean is a great choice. Just wish he'd be in it longer.

  • Just a reminder: this last post is still missing the 'Jon' label.

    True about Dany, but the producers are casting their nets in Australia as well. They are thorough, for one, but there could be Australia-based actors they already have in mind, such as Browning and Ward, as has been mentioned. Perhaps D&D took the listening to the fans business very seriously ;)

  • Marko: Ah yes, thanks for the reminder. It's fixed now!

    To those that don't check my Twitter, this guy apparently auditioned for Drogo, although it looks like he won't get it.

  • Marko: Perhaps D&D took the listening to the fans business very seriously ;)

    I would say that they have been since Dinklage and now Bean have been cast – both were early fan favorite suggestions

  • @Ray: Yes, that's what we could definitely think, but then again it could a coincidence, and the two castings are more or less an obvious choice. Now, if D&D went down under to check on the girls because we said so, their loyalty is no longer questionable :) I meant it more like a joke.

  • If we get one more piece of casting news that is a fan favourite, then I think we can say it's definite ;)

  • @WiC – That guy is MUCH better than Dante Nero, but still not great.

    I feel like for Drogo's casting, the look they're going for is Middle Eastern/Imhotep from The Mummy, but the look I think most of us are looking for is Mongolian + Native American.

  • Agreed, Pace is a lot better than Nero, but still pretty far from what I think most of us envision for Khal Drogo

  • I'd imagine the reason they're going for Middle Eastern is due to filming in Morocco – they'll be able to get a lot of native Moroccans as extras if they base the Dothraki around that particular look.

  • For casting Drogo, the main thing they should be looking for is the ability to rock a truly epic mustache.

  • There they go about the ages again. Even though looks are important, makeup and clothing can do wonders when it comes to age.

    But minors shouldn't be cast as Sansa or Daenerys. They have nude scenes, even cable networks won't go that far (exposing minors).

    My guess will be younger looking 17-19 years old girls. That would also mitigate the the aging process, if they ever get to do all the seven seasons. Remember that if they start with a 13 years old girl now, she'll be 20 by the time it finishes, but in book time she'd be still 16.

    To sum it up, looks are important, but almost impossible to recreate like they are in the books.

  • Since they are gonna have Sansa at 13 in the tv show, they are probably gonna go with somone under 18. And i think they should, as the very young age is quite important to her character. The nude stuff could be done without showing more than bare shoulders and legs up to the knees.

  • I find it hard to have the scene on the throne room done without showing anything, I do believe that would ruin the mood way more than 3 or 4 years of difference.

    There are also some examples of 20+ yo actresses that play teenagers, for example, Madeline Zima on Californication ( http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Madeline_Zima ). She's around 24 by now, and it's supposed to be 16yo in the series. And she does look young when playing the role.

    But yeah, we'll have to wait and see. I'd really love to see the casting requirements for those though.

  • "I find it hard to have the scene on the throne room done without showing anything, I do believe that would ruin the mood way more than 3 or 4 years of difference."

    Other way around for me, easily. I'd much rather have a young Sansa and them just show bare arms, legs, back and so on, than a Sansa who look eighteen. She wouldn't at all be believable as that character to me if she was that old, and her plotline wouldn't make sense half so well.

    There's a lot of people who just want a lot of attractive nude girls in the series. I'm sure the very same people won't mind Sam or Tyrion's nudity not being shown, and that won't 'ruin the mood' :P

  • I want a faithful depiction of the story in the books, the scene that told me that Joff was on the "point of no return" was actually that one. It was also the scene that convinced me that Tyrion was actually one of the good guys.

    And as faithful I mean I wouldn't mind nudity one way or the other, it's the story I care about. And I still think it's possible to have a 18 years old girl pass as a little girl, especially since we are told Sansa looks very much a grown women from the start (except the dreamy eyes and the low IQ).

  • I agree, I think a young Sansa would be better. If they cast older (18/19+) she's going to have to look really young in order for Sansa's naivety to be believable. If she comes across as too much older than 13, the audience is going to think Sansa is just utterly stupid.

  • Naivity is just a nice way of saying someone is socially stupid. Sansa is my least liked character by the way, so im bias.

    As for the age debate…..I say they have to age her to about 15/16, with Robb aged to about 18 to make his character's developments make sense. Neither are really essential, I just always aged them myselves when I read the books.

    The only character who NEEDS to be aged is Dany. She's a big character and to avoid the show essentially being overly kiddie-centric in approach and because her character gets involved in adult situations and gets pregnant and such, which i think needs some aging for tv.

  • I'll freely admit that Sansa is not a character I particularly care for, but I don't believe she deserves all the hate she tends to generate. Which I think keeping her as young as possible will make her a slightly more sympathetic character on the show. People can forgive naive, but not so much stupid.

    @Stalin – I agree, I think GRRM has big plans for her in the future – she definitely has quite a cunning tutor.

  • That Sansa scene could easily be replaced with Joffrey hitting her or something. I don't think Sansa's boobs are crucial enough to the story to be worth drastically changing her age.

  • I personally am a huge Sansa fan. I think she's really going to surprise her naysayers in the upcoming books (…when we read them, some 15 years from now).

    Her actress needs to be able to cry at the snap of a finger, and that's not easy to find, especially in young ones.

    Still, I think if you age Sansa to 18+ you lose a lot of her rivalry with Arya, unless she is also aged up – though that would be a mistake too, in my view. They're supposed to be butting heads constantly because they're completely different people, not because there's a 5-6 year age difference.

    Now what you could do, if Sansa is required to be nude, is hire a 17-year old who looks 14-15. All the really bad stuff doesn't happen until season 2 anyway. By the time season 2 comes along, voila! A home-grown 18-year old.

    (Though that still sounds more than a little devious)

    My solution, as I've always said, is implied nudity over actual.

  • @About
    I agree with you on both sides: I'm also a huge Sansa fan, I understand her "little princess" daydreams completely, and she had her fair share of suffering. Also, I think (and that's only a gut feeling) that she will be the final demise of LF.

    And I also agree on the nudity thing. Cruelty and meaness can be implied and shown in very different ways. I think the nude scene is not mandatory or fundamental, but the young age of Sansa is, if we want to understand her naive ways.

  • I'll just agree once more: If the cameras/actors tells us she's nude, she IS nude.

    That'll do plenty.

  • I think sansa can't read any older than 16 in the series. They may be looking for 18+ actresses who can pass by that age but I hope it's not a casting requirement. I'd rather have a true 15-16 year old, then we can age as she ages.

    As for the nudity, how about a body double for those couple of scenes? And for her scene with the hound, shell be older by then, if not, body double again.

    HBO has to push the envelope here a bit and capture the discomfort we felt reading those scenes, and I bet D&D agrees.

    …ryan

  • also

    it's the mistreatment by joff more than the exposed skin of sansa that is the point of that scene. If you've seen the Stephen king adaptation Carrie you'll agree it is possible to reduce a person to ashes without nudity being the prerequisite.

    …ryan

  • Ok last point. Sort of nonrelated but also not mentioned.

    If the writers REALLY do their job on this series, I think they can even better develop the plights of the main chars, namely sansa, who I always felt we could stand to feel her shattered life even more in the original text. Her love and loss is tragic, but I felt GRRM could have explored that further. This is an area where moving imagery can betray so much with so little and really drive home those emotions.

    …ryan

  • I don't think the hudity is needed, or as other have said, go for shoulders and show her getting laughed at and told to disrobe. Keep the camera from the neck up.

  • It would be great to see some of the characters that get less sympathy for their tragedies (probably at least partly due to being less cool) like Sansa or Catelyn, get more due to the tv series. I would really hope the writers, actors and directors could pull that off.

  • Plus, its just more heartbreaking to see someone that actually looks/is supposed to be – thirteen (a child) to have to take their clothes of.

    Child nudity (even if its only implied) is just that much stronger. And we'll feel more sympathy towards her, wich seems extremely important for her character.

  • Yeah I'm hoping they do the nude pedo-scenes in a respectful way without hurting the integrity of the show. Last thing I want is to feel "creepy" watching the show.

  • gemma ward for dany!

    after the sean bean and peter dinklage news if i heard they cast gemma ward i would run out and buy an HBO subscription right now.

    i am pleased as punch with the great job they're doing casting and that WiC is doing reporting it. i just really hope that if they are in australia looking for actors it means they are auditioning gemma ward. since anna sophia robb is a little too young and also american, i feel like gemma is the perfect, perfect lady for the job. quite talented too.

  • Seeing so many comments on Gemma Ward I finally looked her up. While Ward has a very striking face, I can't get past how grossly thin she is. I don't think I can really support her for Dany. I could get behind an Emily Browning as Dany casting though.

  • my problem with gemma ward is that i can't get past the fact that she looks just like the characters in recent juxtapos a la gothic illustrations, from artists such as mark ryden and ray caeser. check this out if you don't believe me. she's too porcelain doll frail to me.

    - Gemma Ward, Illustrated? Creepy!

    …ryan

  • same exact problem with emily browning, to be honest. check it:

    - Emily Browning, Illustrated? Gross!

    though at least emily browning has a little more versatility in her look. she was a beautiful girl in lemony snicket, a little less striking now that she's almost 21.

    …ryan

  • gemma ward: no. Is she even an actress?

    Browning: too ugly

    Ed Harris: yes. Better than I could ever have imagined

    sansa is lame: yes, until book 4

    These have been my opinions.

  • My problem with Gemma Ward is her eyes … now the girl is not ugly but her eyes (for me) are wide … making her almost alien like not ethereal ….. as for Emily Browning … I'm out on that one … can anyone PS her with the hair and the eyes?

  • I rather they get someone who has actual acting ability for the role of Cersei, than just finding someone who looks like jaime's actor.

  • @ ryan dunn
    you don't think that by casting gemma d&d could potentially tap into the great legions of mark ryden fans??? kidding, of course. a juxtapose cover featuring modern artist's take on GoT would be pretty hilarious.

    i guess for me gemma is just how i pictured dany. a very etherial, beautiful big eyed girl and yeah, kind of a waif. i also happen to think gemma ward is talented.

    but of course, i'm probably going to run out and get a subscription to HBO no matter what for GoT. even if they cast miley cirus as dany (what a strange twisted move that would be!)

  • Gemma Ward looks like an anime character. She has the face of a toddler on the body of a woman.

    Anyway, a friend of mine saw the play War Horse (with Kit Harrington), and after we worked out who he was, she claimed that he was an excellent actor, and the person she was most impressed with. So sounds pretty good.

  • WiC –
    This is a small request, which may get lost in the shuffle.

    If it wouldn't require much effort and if its even possible, could the page navigation links (newer / older / etc )also be included at the top of the comments?

    This page works and looks great on my mobile, but it takes forever to scroll all the way to the bottom to click the newer link.

    Obviously, never was a problem before, but things seem to be really taking off here!

  • Oh, and while I'm posting…

    I feel giddy like a school girl with all this news… It reminds of when LOTR was first announced and then when the news started rolling in. HOWEVER, I think this show has so much more potential to be something groundbreaking… and well, fucking awesome for lack of better words.

    And I agree with the fact that everything seems to be pointing towards a green-light. Given the scale of the things that have already been announced, and the high-quality of well-known actors that have already signed on… I really wouldn't be surprised if it has been pretty much given the green-light already. (Sean Bean seems like an actor that would be beyond signing on for a pilot without some sort of reassurance of the series being picked up… but I don't know how these things work, so I could be wrong.)

    With all the chips that have fallen into place, the extra-ordinary support and interest that already exists, and using ASoIaF for the source(which will translate amazingly to a television series) I will be shocked if it isn't picked up…

    I'm trying not to get my hopes up, but everything is going way too well at this point not to.

    /end giddy rant

  • Everyone log on to digg.com and digg this article. digg.com is a good way to create buzz. I think everyone here would like to see the entire series done to completion.

  • I just looked up gemma ward and I'm thinking she might be a good Dany. I have no idea where her acting talents lay.

    /shrug

  • Personally I'm very pleased with the casting so far. The only thing they need do to know casting wise to make me happy is to cast:

    Naomi Watts or Cecile de France or Connie Nielsen or Rosamund Pike or Tricia Helfer as Cersie

    Sandrine Bonnaire or Gillian Andersson or Anne-Marie Duff or Charlotte Gainsbourg or Irene Jacob or Jodhi May or Justine Waddell as Catelyn

    Lina Leandersson as Arya

    Rachel Hurd-Wood as Sansa

    Jamie Bell or Pierre Boulanger or Harry Eden or William Moseley or Aaron Johnson or Rafi Gavron as Robb

    Gemma Ward or Emily Browning or Kaya Scodelario or Imogen Poots as Dany

    Mickey Rourke or Javier Bardem or Michael Fassbender or Ray Stevenson as The Hound

  • OMG OMG OMG OMG! I kinda knew that Sean Bean would be a done deal. He's a dead ringer for Ned, so YAY about that!

    But Harry Lloyd! What s suprise! His one of my favorite rising brit stars! He was in Dr. Who and Robin Hood on the BBC as well as the Devil's Whore! He's such an intense actor and ever since he left Robin Hood, I've been praying for him to get more sunshine! Now my prayers have been answered in a big way! I agree. Theon would have been amazing, but I'll take Viserys!

    YAY for the excellent cast!

    HBO has and always will be the best place for quality adaptations :)

  • "To Anon above,

    Is that all? :P"

    Hehehe, this is my dream cast. I mean if they found other talented actors/actresses for the characters I will be happy. And it isn't like I have only listed a-list actors like Brad Pitt and Nicole Kidman. I would say most of my suggestions are possible candidates.

  • RitariKnight
    @TGrando357

    Damn, I am even more excited now! So far (besides the relatively unknowns with only small parts like Lloyd, Harington, etc.) the actors cast are actually the people I pictured in my mind.

    Harington playing a small part? Have you even read the books?

    @RitariKnight I read this as being that the actors mentioned had only done small roles previous to these ones….(not a comment on the roles they were about to do….)

  • The thought strikes & lingers…casting Dany, Cersei, Sansa, finding out if they do nude scenes.. It´s strenous, dirty work, but someone gotta do it!

    Thoros of Myr

  • Oh, didn't realize the comments had two pages. That was directed toward the last comment on the previous page.

    sigh.

  • If anyone wants to know more about the talents of the superlative Sean Bean, come on over to http://seanbeanonline.net/ Everything you could want to know and lots you probably don't. We're talking about him playing Ned in the Forums.

  • Amazing news, I am glad with the choice. He is an excellent, albeit often overlooked and underrated actor! His credentials couldn't be any better for this type of project. He added a lot of depth and weight to the LOTR trilogy with his excellent portrayal of Boromir! We should all be at least encouraged at where this is heading. Keep up the good work!