The buzz continues to grow

With the filming wrapped, the wait begins. News may be drying up, but the buzz continues to build. Here is a collection of links to posts, articles and sites discussing the series:

– Tower of the Hand has a good write up on the project’s chances at a series pickup.

-Sci fi site Airlock Alpha has a great article giving readers the basic details on the project so far plus analyzes it’s chances at not just a series pickup, but sustained success.

-Westeros also has an article discussing the basic’s of the project. In addition, they’ve posted an article discussing the visual effects for the pilot.

-Lastly, a new site, Game of Thrones UK, has popped up. Started by a Sharpe and Sean Bean fan, the site promises to bring you news, info and editorials on the project.


  • Seems though a lot of the articles get the facts from this site. WiC, the number one site for your GoT resources!

  • Jon Hunter, or Noj, was telling me about his work in search engine optimization, and it shows.

    If you look for "Game of Thrones DVD" in Google, Game of Thrones UK is the second result.

    Pretty impressive!

  • Just read the Tower of the Hand article, projecting a Winter 2011 start, but I'm not clear on one thing: would we see the pilot before that, or is it only for the insiders?

  • Can't wait for when douches like that Devin from CHUD actually watch this and try and convice people that it's not good writing and then act like they are above all the geek hype. Meanwhile rating will continue to climb like True Blood's.

  • On the buzz, earlier this year we ran a a check on the net buzz about the series by way of a google tool, as I remember it, in the comments section of a post. Can´t remember which post though.(Alzheimer lite at work) An update on the graphs and numbers would be interesting, to get a quantive grasp on the amount of buzz

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    You killed my family.
    Don´t bother with any preparations.."

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  • I have small question for everyone.

    Do you check regulary all over the internet the new informations about the pilot.
    What key words do you use the most, and which sites and search engins do you visit for such purpose?
    I am curious because, I use google regulary to check the news, and I am lately ofen on, just hoping that I would catch a kind of exclusive accidental photo.

  • Paul,

    Thanks for the complement, but if its there when the DVD comes out that when it can be considered successful SEO.

    Currently there are only 3 sites trying to rank for that term

  • A little off subject, but came up on my "game of thrones" google news bulletin

    "In the Age of 'Twilight': About kids who read fantasy… and ‘readicide’

    Does your child read fantasy books, one after the other, whizzing through series after series to the exclusion of any other genre?

    You suggest perhaps trying something different and you are met with stiff resistance
    There is nothing better, you are told, than series such as "Game of Thrones,” “The Wheel of Time, “The Bartimaeus Trilogy,” “Harry Potter,” and so many others. And then you start to worry that your child is:

    A) living in a fantasy world
    b) wasting time on silly themes
    c) wasting time reading easy books"

    what gave me a chuckle was :
    "…the good news is that they do not usually involve the themes of teenage sex and drug use in which other works of adolescent literature often do.

    “Realistic fiction quickly gets into content that kids are not emotionally ready to handle or that parents don’t want them to read about,” she said. “Fantasy doesn’t."
    To quote Sydney Morgenbesser:
    " Yeah. Sure"

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  • Yup, GoT is clearly an easy to read book with no teenage sex or drug use. No need to use your memory for characters, plots, half remembered lines key to future plot points that you should have seen coming because of the hint…erm…

    Half of the fun of the series is realizing that what your reading was foreshadowed aeons ago, and yet you still end up surprised. If they can maintain that in the tv series, it'll be awesome.

  • Thanks, The rabbit, good to hear from her.

    WiC: Time to update the current status and the pilot filming FAQ questions :)

  • Sorry to be pushy, but I really would love to get an answer to my earlier question:

    Do we get to see the pilot any time soon, or do they hold it until the whole series is ready? Anyone know?

  • Don't be too hopeful. The pilot is meant for internal screening and decision only, making it public would be an exception … alas.

  • @Michelle….according to our resident experts it's unlikely we'll see the pilot until the entire first season is filmed.(assuming it's ordered)…Jan/feb 2011

  • Thanks for the answers. Somehow I had the idea that they planned to show the pilot to test the audience for a full season — wasn't that the way pilots used to work? [Just looked up "pilot episode" on Wikipedia — apparently there is no "one way" pilots work]

    Still, I'm disappointed to hear that we will have to wait a year to say ANYTHING.

  • I wonder if HBO are gonna check out the material filmed so far anytime soon. They probably feel they need to see the final product before making a decision anyway, but…

    Heres to hoping it will get screened to maybe even some people not on HBO very soon, and some info (at least) will leak.

  • @Michelle


    you're not going to see the pilot per se, but it's likely that the first episode of the season will in fact BE the pilot, with some notes addressed from the screening to HBO. perhaps a few reshoots. or maybe it makes it through unchanged.

    a focus group type screening isn't impossible, but i don't think it likely with HBO. i haven't heard of them doing that for other shows, that's why i make that presumption.

    now would you stop being so damn pushy!



    there most definitely have been exec's at HBO who have seen dailies/rushes already, and they most certainly will have a liason for D&D while they are in their offline edit.

    all signs point to hbo picking up the show, from grrm's not-so-subtle optimism, to that one producer who commented on it getting 1 year at least, to the scottish fighter dudes who heard something about 30 episodes/weeks of filming, and so forth.

    would love to see it screened, but i wouldn't put any money on it that's for sure.

    my final comment, i definitely think we will hear about hbo's decision before march. hopefully feb at the latest, and possibly even by jan. i bet they option the show before all the vfx are done for the pilot, and the second half of post-production is actually for episode 101!


  • as far as the wait goes…

    true, we will have to wait over a year to see episode 101, but if the show is picked up, there will be mega-preproduction/production/postproduction to keep us busy.

    the casting alone and grrm's puzzles will keep us satiated for a few months, the shooting will keep us occupied for a few more, and post production will bleed into marketing which will bleed into the premiere on hbo!

    there may be some dead time between when post-production wraps and the series begins, but as i said, there will be marketing, epk's, interviews and the like to keep us well fed.


  • Michelle,

    Just to let you know you're not crazy, I think I know where you might have gotten that impression.

    Occasionally (over the past 20 or so years), I've seen a pilot for a show broadcast as a stand-alone event on network television. I don't know whether it's to gauge audience interest or to fill a gap in their schedule.

    Regardless, HBO doesn't work that way.

  • Occasionally (over the past 20 or so years), I've seen a pilot for a show broadcast as a stand-alone event on network television. I don't know whether it's to gauge audience interest or to fill a gap in their schedule.

    This is called a "backdoor pilot." They were more common in the past, but kind of died out sometime in the late 1990's, I believe. You used to have a LOT of TV MOWs (Movies of the Week) at one time. Probably one of the best MOWs that was really a backdoor pilot was the old Jeff Goldblum/Ben Verene show "Ten Speed and Brownshoe." The movie was amazing, incredibly well written and they made a very good series from it but the show was gone after a season.

    The Battlestar Galactica mini-series was definitely a backdoor pilot for the series, so the practice isn't totally gone. I got the impression that the recent Prisoner mini-series on AMC was meant to be a backdoor pilot, perhaps, but I don't think it's likely to turn into a series – ratings were pretty dismal.

    Sometimes a backdoor pilot is disguised as an episode of another series. You occasionally have these odd TV episodes where the main stars become supporting characters to several new hero-type characters who take center stage. A lot of times these shows are meant to test a concept for a spin-off. Remember the episode of the original Star Trek where they go back in time to save an important space launch on Earth in the 1960's? It has some guy playing a kind of high-tech super agent (possibly a time traveler, himself IIRC) and Teri Garr as some ditsy blond who becomes his side-kick. That was meant as a backdoor pilot, but it never went anywhere.

  • Winter!

    Now that the updates will be coming at a slower pace, can we request topic titles?

    For instance, on some random day maybe start a thread dealing with one or more of the things we have to look forward to once (Loki willing) Game of Thrones gets greelighted.

    (Actually, you could even have an entry titled, "What happens if we don't get the go?" if you wanted. Me, I'll probably go fishing. And then drown myself.)

    (Jay kay!)

    Suggestions: future casting for season 1, or what scenes from AGoT episode two might encompass (I have a few thoughts on that).

    Just to keep us busy, and away from fishing boats.

  • btw…i was thinking that i would aprecciate a lot some suggestions of books of you guys…feel free to say any you like…though i just love series…

  • @hermioninny

    gene wolfe's book of the new sun, wizard knight, and latro series. read them now!


  • RE: pilot "backdoor"

    That's interesting. What about what HBO did for True Blood? They put out a DVD for the pilot, it was taking an entire row at my local Blockbuster store. That was a very effective way of marketing the series, no?

    RE: book suggestions

    Someone here suggested Steven Erickson's Malazan series. If you google him, you'll see a blurb from the beginning of Wikipedia's site: Fellow fantasy author Stephen Donaldson, refers to Erikson as "an extraordinary writer"

    My interest was piqued, and I bought the first Malazan series book (of projected 10 books). I must say, now on the fourth book, that this series is truly extraordinary. The first book took a while for me to get into, though. At least 200 pages. But it's worth it. Very.

    About Gene Wolfe, I believe he is an excellent, very clever, writer. But the wizard knight duo didn't do it for me. There are some really great parts but overall it's very slow. As for the New Sun set, it's a classic. Personally, I like his short stories best, which are usually Gaiman-esque.

    Among other fantasy classics I'd highly recommend is Ursula K. Le Guin's Earthsea series.

    A little known two-part by Catherynne Valente called Orphan's Tales was excellent, but not high fantasy.

  • Anonymuff: Yes, but those True Blood DVDs were only put out a few days before the first season aired. If HBO does the same with GoT, that would still mean we wouldn't see it before winter 2011.

  • Oh, ok. I didn't know the point was to get first look at the pilot before anyone else. I mean, since we're such big fans, we deserve it, right? Psha..

    Patience ever rewards.

  • Anonymuff,

    Thanks for the info regarding the True Blood pilot DVD.

    Up until now, the only thing I've heard from folks around here is that HBO would never put the Game of Thrones pilot out on DVD by itself, that there was no precedent for it.

    I don't care if its a few days before it airs, though a few months would make me much more happy, I'll take what I can get.

    I've got a few friends back home who don't have HBO yet. A gift of the pilot might be able to convince them.

  • thank you for bringining us the news for the filming of the pilot! cant wait for the release – i am certain it will be a massive. huge success! how can't it be? incredible cast… not one actor i could say is not perfect for the role!

  • WiC: nice FAQ update! One short suggestion: the question on filming the pilot is still in the present tense, and should be corrected.

    Stressless waiting, everyone!

  • hey there guys!
    i would like to thank very much the suggestions!! probably i will end up reading then really in english…Thanks!!

  • Still nothing on Not A Blog.

    Does anyone even know if George is back in the country yet?

    Did he finally watch his NFL teams' abysmal performances and just decide to stay locked up in his room out of protest?

  • I do not know where George is, but I am pretty sure we all must find a way how to handle this long wait on this very blog.

    Any suggestions?

    For example, someone can explain what word does "postproduction" mean and what activities it contains?
    At least, to a poor Rabbit totally ignoring these things …

  • @hermionehpg

    Are you brazilian,right?
    Do you know "Escritores de Fantasia"? It's an online community about writing, yeah – but also READING fantasy books. There's a lot of good discussion about that there.

  • Book suggestions:

    I really like R. Scott Bakker's Prince of Nothing series. Darker than ASOIAF–pretty much none of the characters are what you would call good, and all sorts of nasty stuff happens. I love how the backstory and world information are revealed little by little over the course of the books. There's a second trilogy on it started, but I haven't read the first book of that yet.

  • Wow, that Twilight movie cashed in pretty good this weekend. Girls going crazy for wherewolves and vampires, HBO picked the wrong books to turn into tv-material.

  • @books:

    I liked Patrick Rothfuss' The Name of the Wind, the first Kingkiller Chronicles' book.

    It's a kind of fantasy which reminds ASOIF's – dark and with gray people inside. But I think Rothfuss' world is more cynical than Westeros, and I liked it pretty much.

  • That's funny because last week I bought the first books of Erikson, Rothfuss, Scott-Bakker and Abercrombie. Did a little research on the web, and as I'm not a big fan of the hardcore-fantasy I found those 4 series. Anny suggestions on which series to start?

  • @Paul J

    I started reading Bakker's, Darkness That Comes Before, and kept falling asleep trying to get into it. Does it get better? Or is it always so slow and heavy. Also, I still feel that Daniel Abraham is a bit over-hyped. His Long Price Quartet is decent, not great.


    True, Wizard Knight is not as strong as Book of the New Sun, but it's still worth a read. I like the POV Wolfe comes up with about ten times more than most 3rd person limited.

    Book of the New Sun is written as a memoir by the central character who willingly admits that he is crazy, and has been blessed/cursed with an eidetic memory.

    The Latro Books are a collection of diary entries into a papyrus scroll written by the main character, a nameless Greek soldier who suffers from short-term memory loss (written well before Memento).

    And Wizard Knight is written as a letter to the hero's brother, who is in the real world, while the hero has found himself in a Norse fantasy world.

    It all makes for fascinating writing, where sometimes you feel like you know more than the main character, because of the format.

    Agreed that Wolfe's short stories are remarkable. Gaiman definitely owes a LOT to Wolfe. He's dedicated a couple books to his mentor, so that's a start!!

    @GRRM's NaB Absence

    We should ALWAYS count GRRM's silence as a good thing, that means he's probably working. Shhhhhh.


  • rabbit,

    Post production involves everything that happens with the raw footage of a movie that comes after it is actually shot. This means first and foremost editing, but also special effects, sound and music and some other, less obvious processes.

    Once you have the main images, you can start in on seeing how it all fits together and making choices about which shots to use and what to throw away, what sound effects work best, does some of the dialogue need to be "looped" in (sometimes there are sound problems on set and dialogue needs to be re-recorded and synched to the image – very common, actually).

    Some special effects might have started before production, but some stuff like background CGI work to be laid in shots, the wheelhouse, and maybe certain effects like the Others (depending on how they are to be done), had to wait until there was footage before laying in the effects themselves. That is a major part of post production.

    After all of that is done there's finishing touches like "color correction," which involves digitally adjusting the colors of shots so that any flaws or lighting that isn't quite right are matched up and so that it all has a uniform look.

    The closer you get to the end of this process, the more it is about tinkering and getting all of the tiny details right. A lot of theatrical release movies get tinkered with right up until the last possible moment before they have to be mastered, so that copies can be made and sent out to theaters for it's put into theaters.

  • Thank you very much Brude for your explanation and time…I get it.

    And I have one more question about the whole thing (poped-up in my head while I was reading),
    if you say that this whole thing will be done during the postproduction work, and we now that postproduction will take place in (hm?) february, I think that we will wait till march for sure.
    Is it a possible that HBO green-lite the series before the postporduction thing or not?

  • I'm a big fan of Scott Lynch's book "The Lies of Locke Lamora." It's a lot of fun, and Locke really is one hell of a liar. The second Gentleman Bastards book is called "Red Seas Under Red Skies," but I wasn't as into it. It's good, but not great. The next books is supposed to be called "The Republic of Thieves," not sure when it is due to come out.

    Looking at his website, it looks like he's doing a serialized novel online while he "edits some other projects." I assume that means he's still working on Thieves, and perhaps others in the series as well (which he seems to have all planned out).

  • @invertebrae

    I don't know how far you got, and I don't really remember the sequence anyway, but obviously I would recommend giving it a shot. I think I remember the beginning being kind of "slow and heavy." The part from Kellhus's POV is especially so, but there's not much of that after the beginning. And maybe the first Cnaiur POV a bit. I think you would want to give until the big army gets marching and has a battle. Not sure if that's even in the first book though. Oh well, it's called "The Darkness That Comes Before," not "The Darkness That Comes During."

  • rabbit,

    Somehow I lost a previous response to your question above. The long story, short, I don't think HBO will be greenlighting the show before they see how post production comes together. Dave & Dan are new producers with them (it's the first thing they've ever produced, actually), so they will want to be sure they can shepherd the project all the way through post, on time and on budget. Also, with the effects this is a more complicated production than, say, Treme, which was picked up very quickly (maybe even based on an early cut or even a rough cut). But Treme benefits from being produced by David Simon, who's done three other projects for HBO, including "The Wire," which is the most critically acclaimed TV show ever.

  • I recently read Benioff's City of Thieves. Great book. I encourage everyone to check it out. Want to get to Weiss' Lucky Wander Boy next but it is harder to find. Will probably also read Benioff's The 25th Hour. I saw the movie and really liked it, so I'm sure the book will be good as well.

  • I enjoyed Bakker as well. The background is essentially Roman/Byzantium and the Crusades transplanted to a fantasy setting in much the same way as George relies heavily on the Wars of the Roses – for the first couple of books at least. Currently I am about to start the third so divergence could occur!

  • On the "what to read in the meantime" suggestions:

    The Great Book of Amber

    It's a compilation of 10 books. But in this case, each book is only 200ish pages! It's got the information density that I've come to expect in high quality fiction. Enjoy!

  • If you want to read fun fantasy, if you have not read them already, go to the sources.
    Five words: Fritz Leiber: Fafhrd & Gray Mouser, all and any books.

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  • Book rec: Tad Williams, the trilogy of "Memory Sorrow & Thorn." Really a good read.

    I picked up the Mazalan first book a while back, I need to get into that.

    And I still like the Outlander series.

  • – "I can understand why some of these authors may indeed be hesitant to let their babies loose on the big screen, as it doesn’t take much to destroy an idea and capturing the magic these stories create in our imaginations is no small task to duplicate. That said, I go back to LOTR and site how amazing that worked out, showing us that it can be done right. As I mentioned before, George R. R. Martin’s epic A SONG OF ICE AND FIRE series is coming to HBO with A GAME OF THRONES, featuring an impressive cast which includes Sean Bean (Boromir from LOTR) and Lena Headey (Queen from 300) to name a couple. The success (or failure) of this undertaking could very well shape the future of theatrical novel-based Fantasy."

  • @thoros

    i have ebooks of lieber. however, i didn't start reading the fafhrd series because i don't know if i have the right order. here's what i have:

    FGM 1 – Swords and Deviltry.pdf
    FGM 2 – Swords Against Death.pdf
    FGM 3 – Swords in the Mist.pdf
    FGM 4 – Swords Against Wizardry.pdf
    FGM 5 – The Swords of Lankhmar.pdf
    FGM 6 – Swords and Ice Magic.pdf
    FGM 7 – The Knight and Knave of Swords.pdf

    This order doesn't seem to be the same as what Wikipedia has as the order, which is this:

    FGM 1 – The Swords of Lankhmar (1968)
    FGM 2 – Swords Against Wizardry (1968)
    FGM 3 – Swords in the Mist (1968)
    FGM 4 – Swords and Deviltry (1970)
    FGM 5 – Swords Against Death (1970)
    FGM 6 – Swords and Ice Magic (1977)
    FGM 7 – The Knight and Knave of Swords (1988)

    i want to read them though, especially since lieber is credited as the man who coined the phrase "sword & sorcery".



  • @ryan: i havent read all of those books, only 2 or 3 first ones, and i think that they werent written chronogically. I mean, order you have your files is right with in-book chronology. I could be wrong though :D

  • Tom Payne (who auditioned for GOT) has tweeted:
    "Met Richard Madden who plays Robb Stark in HBO's Game of Thrones last night. Thoroughly nice guy, says it's looking great!"

  • What else is he supposed to say:

    "I started to vomit while reading the script, and it didn't get any better from there"?

    "I really hope the HBO suits let this one pass by; it would be insufferable to be stuck on this shitty production for the best of my years"?

    "At first it seemed to be a good idea, but having Sean Bean play your father told me otherwise"?

    Not much of a chance, is there? At least as long as he doesn't has a well paid for, very secure other deal in his pocket.

    Just kidding, of course – meeting all the nice fans at the signing & moot alone should have made him feel good! ;-)

  • @ Rabbit–is the British first edition of Game of Thrones the one with the silver cover?

    (Just wondering, 'cause that's the one I got. Of course then I had to read it twenty times. If the damn book wasn't so good, my copy might actually still be worth something.)

  • I want a hardcover Game of Thrones just because I have the other three in hardcover and I want them to match…

  • @Jillian: how about THIS ?

    I like to buy books there, got some pretty neat hardcover editions for a very slim price – even a signed (!!!) first edition copy of "Fevre Dream"!

  • Ryan(and anybody else wanting a good read)
    Leiber, not Lieber, incidentally
    The right order is any which way, incidentally, as most the stories were written over many decades as freestanding stories, later editoriallyn put together in a roughly chronological order of the heroes´ lives.
    Go with
    FGM 1 – Swords and Deviltry.pdf
    FGM 2 – Swords Against Death.pdf
    FGM 3 – Swords in the Mist.pdf
    FGM 4 – Swords Against Wizardry.pdf
    FGM 5 – The Swords of Lankhmar.pdf
    FGM 6 – Swords and Ice Magic.pdf
    FGM 7 – The Knight and Knave of Swords.pdf
    Which checks out well with my recollection
    The first 4 volumes being stories strung together, Sword of Lankhmar being the one novel, and the last two being the later stories of the heroes getting older.
    Enjoy, as any story or writing by Leiber should be enjoyed.

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    You killed my family
    Don´t bother with any preparations"
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  • I very much enjoyed Amber decades ago and eventually caught up again in the late 90s early 2000s with the last volumes. I keep meaning to reread them (a 3rd time, since in the late 70s I read "Chronicles of Amber" set from SFBC and again reread them when read the later ones.

    I recall liking many series, Dragon Riders of Pern were among my first book club selections. I loved the Thieves' World Anthologies, Xanth…EARLY on…, of course several Moorcocks again in my youth. In my later HS years it was mainly AD&D-related and LOTR books. Things like Weis/Hickman's Dragonlance (including their Darksword Trilogy I loved), Avatar, Moonsea, etc.

    I skipped many greats but I am at work and trying to speed through. I'll try to look at my library over the weekend and maybe we can do a serious recommendations thread since I'd like to hear from avid fans of this series as I suspect I'd like their choices.

    Later on, I feel in LOVE with the Riftwar series by Fiest. The original ?5-6 are amazing, later ones are definitely good if not as good due to the "monty-haulesque" issues that arise from "super characters." Janny Wurt's tie in trilogy was also fantastic. Seriously though, except for Tolkien being my first "love" (which is always a special one, heck I looked for many other chick..errr books to fill the void like Shannara and the Hildebrandt book etc to be my next Tolkiens) Feist's books were THE most enjoyable fun fantasy I can recall. I have since started collecting the compiled graphic novel hardcovers from Amazon and they remain sealed (I bought softcovers for me) until the day I share them with my now 2.5 year old son. I cannot overrecommend Fiest's books through at least Prince of the Blood, maybe beyond ( I loved the last few myself)

    I enjoyed Wheel of Time for the most part but near the end except for Matt, I think it was for me mostly just plodding through since I didn't want to abandon a series before the end.

    I was given Tad William's Memory, etc series and loved it. So much so I picked up Shadowmarch when it was released hoping to have as much fun – it's different, but still gripping.

    Although not technically the same, I'd also recommend The Dark Tower, really a series that deserves to be an HBO series ;) I picked it up when the 2nd book was it or maybe before then? I didn't finish it – I was near the end, got distacted ADD? …although I had a hard time "Getting into it" (I was a fan of The Stand/Dead Zone/It? at the time) – eventually 3 of the books were gifted to me by my wife at Xmas and I this time devoured it and the rest waiting for each one to come out (the last 3) Maybe it was age or tastes changing – dunno, just loved it like few others.

    I recommend Amber for a different sort of dysfunctional family if you liked that in AGoT ;)

    Look forward to hearing other recommendations.

  • @prometevsberg

    You made me think of "The Princess Bride" (I actually read the book afterwards as well ;) )

    My name eeez Indigo Montoya?
    Jooo keeled my Fodder
    Prepare to die!

    (I'm a bad accent-writer ;P)

  • As for fantasy series I also strongly recommend Tad Williams Memory[…] trilogy. But you should also check his tetralogy, Otherland. Its tehnicaly science-fiction, but extremly well written and it has one of the most broad world vision ive ever seen in books.
    Also, i recommend Witcher books. Only short stories are available in english, but they are also the best in series, IMHO :)
    Also, dont forget to absolutely DONT get anywhere near Sword of Truth. I havent even finished first book, it was so bad…

  • …and DON'T EVER TOUCH the stinking, pointless piece of crap called "His Dark Materials" by Philip Pullman. This is by far the WORST I read in – let me guess… – the last 38 years. Never read something so badly written (and it can not be the fault of the translation alone), the story starting flawed but interesting enough to pick up book two, then decreasing further to end in a TOTAL mess with book three.

    These books are not bad because they are meant to be for children: they are bad because they writing is bad, the ideas are mostly stolen, the main characters become more and more repulsive, and in the end NOTHING has changed. A total downer!

  • What leads me to recommend Joe Abercrombie and Patrick Rothfuss.

    Joe's stuff is bloody, sarcastic and (kind of) pointless – in the end, nothing changes. But the folks in his books are cool, and the whole ride is a lot of fun.

    Patrick's prose however is total lyric – as much as it can be while still being a novel. The story (still to be completed – be warned!) is solid, but the words make this one stand out.

  • @ Rabbit–is the British first edition of Game of Thrones the one with the silver cover?

    The silver foil cover is the original USA edition of the book. It didn't sell well at first as mainstream fiction, so they changed it to a more genre fiction style cover. They've since gone back to a more mainstream fiction style cover, but not the same as that original one.

    Dunkeltroll, I cannot disagree with you more about His Dark Materials, I thought it was brilliant and clearly your translation was terrible. The 3rd book in the series won the Man Booker Prize, The United Kingdom's highest literary honor (it's the equivalent of the Pulitzer Prize in the United States).

  • Sure, the translation WAS terrible, and I should have ordered an English edition instead of grabbing the German one off a shelf – but still, there are these 1 star reviews I wholeheartedly agree with. And I'm not the religious type – you can kill god in my book any day of the week, as long as you have an interesting, fulfilling story to tell. But that's exactly what Pullman didn't manage to do, at least for me.

    Speaking of horrible translations: I had another glimpse into the German aCoK yesterday, and was immediately taken aback (again) by the unempathic way it deals with names. Turning "Hot Pie" into "Heisse Pastete" is literaly correct, but turns my stomach at the same time. Has anyone EVER called someone for short by a five syllable name (Hei-sse Pas-te-te)?!? "Pastete" would have been silly but OK, "Kuchen" (cake) or "Plätzchen" (cookie) would have been much better. Not to mention all the speaking names they didn't translate at all, like Riverrun or King's Landing, turning the result into a completely random mishmash…