Based on the way this production has gone so far I am going to guess that today is a travel day. I expect they will use today to get everything set up and ready to go in Morocco to start filming tomorrow. Julia Frey’s tweet this morning seems to support this theory. No idea how long they plan to film in Morocco but considering it is only going to be for about two scenes, I can’t imagine it will take longer than a few days. And then, we wait.
In other news, the likelihood of a series order seems to grow ever more certain. The Hollywood Reporter’s James Hibberd posted to his blog one of the photos from the Belfast signing. In the post he mentions that his sources are indicating that only if the producers “royally blow this pilot will the network fail to give it a green light.” He adds to that in the comments, stating, “HBO realizes they have something special and are pretty stunned by the amount of online buzz this early.”
So, now you may be asking, if we get the green light, what kind of production schedule are we looking at? Well Ran from Westeros seems to have the answer. He has a source indicating that they plan to film for 30 weeks if they get the green light. He speculates that this 30-week production may have been the source of the “30 episode” rumor. Seems plausible to me. Ran also states he contacted James Hibberd (in the comments of the aforementioned blog post) and Hibberd does not think it very likely for HBO to give a two season order prior to seeing any ratings from the first season.
UPDATE: A commenter by the name of Spiros, who claims to be connected to the production, has stated that they are still filming in the Paint Hall today. He also mentions that Buster Reeves is handling the stunts for the pilot.
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HOPING FOR A BIG PICKUP ANNOUNCEMENT SOON!
brhodesQuote Reply
Day 18 or 19? depends on what your intention was …
MarkoQuote Reply
I love news like this.
They have already planned a 30 week shot for a show not yet picked up?
Who has planned it for 30 weeks then? The directors? Is this just a general feeling from HBO being passed down?
Surely they can't really plan a shooting schedule until HBO give the official green light as HBO may want the show faster than the directors have thought due to the 'suprising amount of online buzz.'
I'm just throwing things out btw, I have little to no knowledge of how this sorta of thing works.
I also never trust un-named sources and things like that, i'm a pessimist, sue me :P
legion_quest666Quote Reply
Here's the thing:
"according to a source peripherally involved in the production."
I'm dying to know what that means.
If it's someone who's in charge of providing rain gear, for example, that figure might be pretty solid.
Paul GudeQuote Reply
To me, the word indicates someone really on the borders of the production and likely from an outside agency……
Not to doubt Ran or anything like that, and I'm sure we all appreciate the report, but still, until it's D+D or GRRM confirming, I shall stay pessimistic.
legion_quest666Quote Reply
With NI relationships in place, and a cast to consider, locations, Paint Hall, etc. the showrunners most certainly would have to make plans as if the show were going to go into production, don't you think?
The first thing I do when a job comes in is to simultaneously work on a treatment (idea) and a bid (estimate of time/money). Those things go hand-in-hand.
…ryan
invertebraeQuote Reply
Long time lurker…blah, blah, blah…
I’m making it my personal mission to recruit people into this fandom, in hopes that the buzz for the pilot will be so intense, HBO will HAVE to pick up the series.
I’ve posted (hopefully, non-pushy) messages on the two major True Blood boards. Reaching out to True Blood fans makes sense to me, as it is HBO's current big genre show, and I think there is some overlap in terms of themes, etc. Ok, maybe a bit of a stretch, but I think TB fans will appreciate GOT’s strong female characters, mix of horror, fantasy and potential of (slightly strange) shipping.
Maybe I should have just posted pictures of Richard Madden from the Belfast moot.
I’m trying to think of other fandoms to reach out to. Harry Potter and Lost are winding down. I see a lot of similarities there. Literate, strong fan communities. Twilight? Eh. Maybe they’ll hop on board for Ser Waymar. Maybe?
I’m thinking I’ll post on the Leaky Cauldron.org for the Potter peeps. If we could get 10% of that diverse Potter fandom onboard, the series would be a lock.
The press we’ve gotten lately has been fantastic, but I wish some of the bigger genre AKA geeky websites would give GOT more mentions. You would think Ain’t it Cool News would be all over this, but I think they only mentioned it when Lena Headley was cast. Ausiello on ew.com devotes a lot of space to genre shows, and he hasn’t mentioned it at all.
EllenQuote Reply
Weighing in on the subject of replacing any of the young actors because of the possible gap in time due to the shooting schedule … I say thee nay! Of course I have reasons to back up my neighing.
1. I don't think GRRM or any of the producers planned on switching anyone; George himself said at the moot he hopes to watch Sophie and Maisie grow up over the next seven years (and I don't think Isaac was a purposeful omission). So likely they planned for the various skipped spans of time.
2. The only issue I could see would be a remarkable physical change during this next year. If they take a long break to put together the pilot and make it perfect, and HBO gives the green light in March, and then don't start shooting until, say, May or June … you've got eight months or so between camera appearances for these kids. Can one of them go through a growth spurt? Sure. Will it make a huge difference? No, because A. Sophie is already tall (and her being tall just makes the cloak scene with Tyrion that much more awesome), B. Maisie doesn't look to have much growth in her at all; she's only a year younger than Sophie, and more than a head shorter … so her growing TALLER than her "sister" is extremely doubtful, and C. Isaac is essentially bedridden the remainder of the series. His height won't matter in the least (at least until poor Hodor has to heft him). And I doubt he'll be growing a mustache.
3. The following seasons each have explainable time gaps. There's no "To Be Continued" moments at the end of season one. The audience won't know how long Sansa is kept in that tower chamber, they won't know how long Arya is on the road, and again – Bran is bedridden. Ditto for each following season, save for 4-5 (Crows / Dragons), and we already know that's going to be a different sort of beast.
4. Best reason of all: we won't like it. And anyway, would they be so cruel as to bring sorrow to children? Who do they think they are, George R. R. Martin?
About Yea HighQuote Reply
I think because this is only a pilot, a lot of the big sites and such haven't run with stories as yet, because what's the point of them doing so until it is picked up officailly as far as they are concerned?
I'm all for bringing in new people and stuff, but that obviously comes with double edged sword of attracting people who just want to attack and compare.
GoT is a very odd story. It isn't really like any of the usual fantasy that is out there. Trying to compare it to any of them is going to leave you with a painful head!
As for how to attract them……….well, in possibly the gayest thing I shall say today, posting pics of Kit and Richard is likely your best bet to attract the average female audience member who fancies a good story told by people nice to look at. To attract guys, nude Tamzin and potentially nude Lena. 'Nuff said there I think.
legion_quest666Quote Reply
@AYH
It's number 2 there that is the big worry. While Issac is unlikely to go through a growth spurt any time soon being that he is only 7/8 and so isnt going to be a massive problem, Maisie could quite possibly have a growth spurt, and I'm not just talking height as girls grow in other places, because she is only just about to hit puberty. Not to mention potential skin issues for both the girls as they hit that age range. Make up only covers so much on camera.
While I hope they don't go the recast route, we can't just write it off as I'm sure that the directors and co wont either and likely all ready have things well sorted in their heads.
legion_quest666Quote Reply
my two cents: I wouldn't be suprised if "peripheral" production people have been put on standby for the next few month (30 weeks). If the show does get picked up, they are going to want to move right into production, and HBO doesn't want their crew to have other commitments or work lined up after the pilot is shot. I bet when the agencies hire the crew and reserve shooting locations, that there is some kind of caveat in their contract stating that they can't have commitments for the next x amount of time as they haven't determined the final shooting schedule: could be 2 weeks (just the pilot) or it could be 30 weeks (full season). Then when HBO gives the go-ahead, everyone is still on board….
desiQuote Reply
I can tell you filming will be well into Weds evening at paint hall – Bran falling from tower etc.They like to cut it fine for time! Morning was scene with Ned & Catelyn. As there has been no mention of it stunt guy is Buster Reeves who did Dark Knight etc, top pedigree again like all aspects of this show.
SpirosQuote Reply
@ desi
you could be right as that does make sense, but i doubt that they have those kinds of contracts with the actors. isn't ehle slated to do some theater work in december or something?
nikkiQuote Reply
Sprios, awesome! thanks for the info!!
nikkiQuote Reply
Both Ehle and Harry 'Viserys' Lloyd are signed up for theatre work in early 2010
legion_quest666Quote Reply
Great job Ellen on spreading the word. I believe that if the show gets a season order more websites will start to follow the production more closely. It's awesome some tv-critics are already following the project but most people will not spend time on something that's not a sure thing. Non-fans will only get geared up when premiere is in sight, and I vote for nude Heady and nude Merchant to get them geared up!
@AYH: "And anyway, would they be so cruel as to bring sorrow to children? Who do they think they are, George R. R. Martin?" Brilliant quote.
KnurkQuote Reply
If it is a 30-week production time then the series debut will be in February or March in the earliest.
ebleyesQuote Reply
@Spiros
Thanx! It is great!
Are you headding to Morocco, too? ;)
The rabbitQuote Reply
@nikki
I don't think that actors and crew would have similar contracts. Actors have agents, assistants, etc that handle their contracts and work flow. What I meant is that the crew would be 1. more willing to sign on for a potentially longer commitment from the get-go and 2. they are easily replaceable anyway
desiQuote Reply
The rabbit: if not, he can at least let us know when they return to shoot the final studio scenes with the Moroccan side of the cast.
MarkoQuote Reply
@Marko
It will be nice of him;)
Somehow, I think that all the Moroccan scenes will be shooted in Morocco..again intuition.
The rabbitQuote Reply
desi–yes, duh :) i think i read your first post too fast.
question: if the they are planning a potential 30 week filming timeline, how long will post-production take to edit and do sfx for 30 weeks of material? that sounds like a ton of stuff to get through. another 3-4 months?
nikkiQuote Reply
With 8 months of shooting and a couple of more months for postproduction, plus planning and scripting on top of that, we will surely not see a season every year, even less so when they potentially get longer. Which is fine by me, they should take their time to turn out a superb product (and give George lots of time to finish the series :)).
MarkoQuote Reply
nikki, there's no reason why they can't start the post-production before every last second of filming is done. I would assume that they would start the SFX as soon as they have footage to insert it into, going for an overlap of production and post-production would save loads of time.
In regards to Isaac growing, I'm not sure why everyone is so concerned for a Hodor to be named later to have to carry a growing boy. That's what stand-ins are for. Sean Bean and Viggo Mortensen weren't throwing Billy Boyd and Dominic Monahan across that bridge in Kazakh-dum after all, Peter Jackson just made it look like they were.
gofalconsQuote Reply
@Marko
1 season for every 18 months is fair.
@ebleyes
If production begins March 2010, and they finish principle photography by February 2010, and they continue to shoot the season straight through, I see no reason that EP101 cannot air 11 months after photography wraps on the first episode, that being January 2011. What am I missing?
…ryan
invertebraeQuote Reply
ryan, can I borrow your time machine last weekend?
gofalconsQuote Reply
@nikki
You can count on 3-4 weeks of editing per episode, followed by 2-3 months of post-production per episode after that (some overlap here), once picture is locked. Final grading and sound/music probably another month beyond that, making each individual episode taking about 4 months to complete on the high end.
It should be noted that the assumption should count for overlapping production/post-production on each of the episodes.
If you stagger each episode by 1 month, you end up with a 15 month production schedule per 12 episode season, soup to nuts.
…ryan
invertebraeQuote Reply
P.S. I never was that good at math.
…ryan
invertebraeQuote Reply
Never tell a math teacher that you aren't good at math.
gofalconsQuote Reply
I season every 18 months is a horrid idea.
Waiting that long between series is bound to hurt the average viewer. I'm an avid fan, but if I have to wait that long, I think even my avidness will take a slap.
A series a year is doable for every bloody other show, it should be here as well!
legion_quest666Quote Reply
Spiros, thanks so much for that info!
I've been wondering who they were going to get for stunts/fight choreography for some time. Buster Reeves is another awesome win.
Paul GudeQuote Reply
@legion
you made me do it. i've made a rough schedule. i even visualized it for all to see. it assumes 3 weeks pre-pro, 4 weeks shooting, 4 weeks editing, 8 weeks of post-production, and 1 week of finishing, PER EPISODE.
i also put a line in for extent of talent's booking per season.
what have we yielded? two things:
1) 7 episodes would be in the can before Jan 2011.
2) completing one season per year is doable, and would give the cast 3 months break between seasons.
and without further ado…
- RYAN DUNN'S NERDY GOT PRODUCTION SCHEDULE V1.00
…ryan
invertebraeQuote Reply
If HBO gives the green light in February, it will take at least 3-4 months for preproduction (inexpert optimistic guess), which includes finalizing the script, casting, and construction the sits, so now it is May or July and they start filming for 30 weeks (7 months) and then go for post production (2 months ??), this means they will completely finish the show in February 2010. They can do the post production simultaneously and release a batch of episodes in January 2010 or even earlier, which will satisfy a Winter debut.
ebleyesQuote Reply
@Invert's math seems reasonable to me. The total filming time includes both NI and Morocco I assume, so it seems like that should allow some overlap between locations. For instance, with them wrapping up filming in NI today, they could possibly have the editing team start working on the NI film while they are over in Morocco filming the rest.
Also, does anyone know if HBO waits until all episodes are finished before starting to air the show? I remember True Blood taking a couple weeks off last season and I assumed that maybe they had to let the post-production catch up to the show.
ChrisQuote Reply
i should have said cast and crew would have 3 month's break. i should also have said that this is a mega estimate, but i don't think it's strictly uneducated either. it is doable my friends.
…ryan
P.S. my talent cut-off doesn't factor in reshoots for EP112, which would throw off their end dates. it's worth noting that each episode has different requirements for the talent as well, and the entire cast would NOT be needed for that entire time, obviously.
invertebraeQuote Reply
@ebleyes
even if you are correct, and let's say it's 3 months before production starts, assuming a march order (which i think is highly conservative and will likely be closer to jan), that still puts 4 or 5 episodes in the can before the season begins airing.
does anybody know what the norm is for production and post production schedules with regards to a season's airing? curious how much overlap there is. i know that sopranos would be filming until around halfway through that season. meaning an average of 6 episodes of overlap.
there couldn't be that much overlap here obviously, given the post production demands and margin for error. that's actually one thing to note in my schedule. they'd want to be done with all production much sooner than april 1, 2011 if the show begins airing january, 2011. unless the air date was late in jan.
i will say, though, that adding in overlap of phases, and my being generous on the editorial per spot, gives this plenty room to fannagle. you could bend it to your will for a one-a-year series, or a one-every-year-and-a-half.
hmmmmm…
…ryan
invertebraeQuote Reply
I'm much happier with that one season a year prediction Ryan. Good job.
legion_quest666Quote Reply
@ Paul
They have assembled the best in the business, Paul Jennings stunt coordinator, Buster Reeves, Maurice Lee? I think it is, between them they have done most of the top hollywood action films there have been in recent years.
SpirosQuote Reply
ryan, what software do you use for scheduling? What's the best combination of affordable/useful in your opinion? Budgeting, too, if you are familiar with that side of it as well.
I ask because I am in the midst of a rewrite for an indie I'd (hopefully) like to shoot eventually, but of course $$ is always the big issue.
Maybe there are some good, free spreadsheets out there? In my online searches I haven't been terribly happy with the spreadsheets and free software I've seen for these jobs.
BrudeQuote Reply
I don't know about the schedule, but do the child actors have exam period or something in June in UK and they need time to concentrate on that instead of filming for several weeks?
MauberlyQuote Reply
Ryan!! nice job.
nikkiQuote Reply
I have a legitimate question about the post production.
For Series 1…………how much CGI are we really expecting?
They seem to have done quite a bit of work with sets and the puppies are real for the wolves and the Direwolf was a puppet.
Will they really need that much cgi post production, at least in Season 1?
legion_quest666Quote Reply
Spiro, you're making me happier and happier with this.
My guess is that there's more combat in the pilot that the leaked script let on, or else that's going to be one kick-ass training sequence.
Paul GudeQuote Reply
I was thinking lately about the question you have just put out.
I think the Others will be some sort of CGI.
Or it could be done with humans as some sort of camera tricks?
Dragons, surely.
And what about Eyrie?
The rabbitQuote Reply
Nice job, Ryan.
Legion, you saw the huge greenscreen in Julia's Pain Hall photo, yes?
There will be a fair amount of CGI work, I suspect. Mostly for backgrounds and enhancements, I think.
Paul GudeQuote Reply
The Eyrie will need exterior CGI and the Sky Cells.
Winterfell may need some CGI snow.
The Wall will be CGI.
King's Landing from a distance and skyline will be CGI.
The small shot of the Dragons at the end could be CGI.
The few Other appearences will be CGI.
The Direwolves as they grow may become CGI.
Cersei's WheelHouse will be CGI.
The opening credits may be CGI.
Anything else anyone can think of? Because I'm thinking the CGI may not take as long as we think as there isn't a vast amount, a good amount for sure, but not a vast amount and nothing that the CGI people will be asked to do will be anything that they haven't done before, so it should hardly take a massive amount of time.
legion_quest666Quote Reply
Since everyone seems to like to play this guessing game with the schedules and release dates. When do you think a realistic time frame will be when HBO starts putting out promo material (photos, teasers,an HBO First look, etc.)
HouseUmberQuote Reply
I forgot about the Wall. Silly me.
The rabbitQuote Reply
Based on nothing but a wild guess I would say three months lead time before the premiere for promotional materials to hit the streets.
But I've never watched anything on HBO before so have no personal reference.
gofalconsQuote Reply
Paul Gude –
I think the rabbit has just provided you with another cartoon…
gofalconsQuote Reply
I can't wait to see all the marketing stuffs. Magazine covers, articles, photo's, posters, promo items, possible merchandise…
It's gonna be a fanboy's dream!
Think they would do figure's…just sayin…
ScottQuote Reply
I'm sure the promo stuff and liscensing will be intense. HBO is suprised at how much early buzz there has been so you know they will want to get as much money out of it as possible. Besides True Blood, I don't know that they have ever done a sci-fi/fantasy type show before. Even with True Blood, I'm not sure there's really a precedent for this type of show on HBO. There's no telling what type of stuff we'll be seeing for sale!!
nikkiQuote Reply
Action figures would be SO cool! If they did them right, like the fantastic LOTR figures, or anything by McFarlane toys, that would be awesome. I'd buy them.
lexQuote Reply
Ha! :P
And what about battles?
Whispering wood and Green fork?
I never thought about ASOIAFs batlles as epic ones (like Pelennor in LOTR).
Apart Blackwater battle (just maybe) – davos point of view.
Other battle scenes are pretty "intimate" if I can use the word "intimate" for the battle.
Whispering wood is brought to us, as Cats anxiety, and Green Fork through Tyrion and he is first(?) battle experience.
The rabbitQuote Reply
Legion,
There are so many other possibilities:
Extending the interior of a shooting location with CGI.
Adding weather effects with CGI.
Adding/Removing trees with CGI.
Etc.
Again, I think they're going to be treading the same ground as John Adams, where there may be a slight bit of retouching in every shot.
Paul GudeQuote Reply
"30 weeks seems like a long time to have as a filming schedule for a show that is going to have only a half season episode order."
12 episodes is a full-season order by HBO terms, and they assign the same filming bloc to 12 episodes that a network does for say, 25.
"Most full 22 episode full season shows only shot for about 40 weeks."
True, but HBO don't.
That fabled HBO quality? It comes from them taking their time, having more takes than is normal in TV and assigning more resources to each individual scene, much more like a movie's production schedule. That's why a HBO TV episode takes 12-20 or so days to film rather than the 6-8 days per episode of most network television.
"But then of course, alot of those shows have their mid season breaks and such and shooting continues while the series airs."
HBO don't. They prefer to air the shows straight through and ideally like to have one 'big' show on the air at any one time, with another ready to start after it.
"Heroes for example just showed episode 9 while future episodes are still being filmed this week for the same series."
HEROES has a big mid-season break where the show goes off air for a few weeks allowing production to get ahead, plus it only takes 6-7 days to film an episode of HEROES and another week or so for post, so it is more or less possible to keep ahead of the train even as it's moving.
"No chance of GoT going that way I suppose?"
Zero, to be honest.
"The series' content doesnt span over years, so far at least."
The expectation seems to be that by the end of ADWD approximately three years will have passed since the start of AGoT, and there's several areas where the timeline can be radically extended, most notably in Books 2 and 3 which could easily be stretched out to cover two years or so just between them.
"I haven't followed much discussion regards the book so this is maybe already known/spoken of, but is one year in Westeros the same as one Earth year?"
Yes. GRRM said this was the case a few years ago ;-)
"Even if filming didn't start in earnest until may, I still see no reason a Jan 2011 airdate (my past, and current prediction) couldn't happen. Why not?"
If they don't finish until December and have a lot of involved post-production on the final episodes (which they may, with Tyrion's presence at a major battle sequence and over stuff going on) which may take several weeks, than getting the show on-air in January could be very tight.
Of course, HBO will start editing and effects work a long time before the end of the series, probably doing stuff even as footage starts coming in, but it depends on how fast they are doing. It will take three months just to screen the series, so it may well be that they can start in January.
My only problem with this is that it smacks a little of the traditional rushing of network television, and HBO doesn't do rushing. It's not really in their ethos. They prefer to take their time and do it properly.
"A series a year is doable for every bloody other show, it should be here as well!"
As as been mentioned before, not for HBO shows. 18-month gaps between seasons are fairly common amongst their shows and when the gap has been more modest, it's usually down to the show having relatively light production requirements (like TRUE BLOOD and SEX AND THE CITY) compared to their big epics.
"Also, does anyone know if HBO waits until all episodes are finished before starting to air the show?"
Absolutely. HBO have even had a whole season in the bag and sat on it for about 8 months before showing it (the final season of THE WIRE). In fact, principle photography on THE PACIFIC ended well over a year ago, IIRC and it still won't be shown for another three months.
Adam WhiteheadQuote Reply
HBO has a few segments they air about upcoming shows and projects. I expect there will be some teaser type things soon after they start filming. These are typically more of announcements than anything worth while, but sometimes they will have interviews with the producers and such. I remember they were showing stuff about Treme and The Pacific back when True Blood was first airing. They showed an interview with David Simon and a few of the actors( Bunk, Lester ) as well as some footage of them filming a few scenes.
ChrisQuote Reply
When I say True Blood was first airing, I mean towards the beginning of season 2…
ChrisQuote Reply
it won't really bother me too much having long waits between seasons and i don't think it will hinder people from watching it–perfect example (as has been stated many times) is the sopranos. obviously i'll be feeling impatient, but i'm used to it with HBO by this point. i'd rather wait for the quality product than have them rushing to air it anyway.
Re: true blood vs. got marketing
True Blood fans will buy shirts, stuff that says "true blood" etc on it, but maybe not necessarily 'items'. GRRM fans are willing to buy anything that's available including (but not limited to) swords, figurines, calendars, various editions of the same book. I don't think that True Blood fans were AS interested in buying this kind of merch before the show came out. I bet HBO has already looked at the kind of stuff GRRM has been selling/liscensing and we'll be seeing a ton more GOT specific items in addition to the normal shirts and show paraphanelia.
nikkiQuote Reply
@Bravishing Brick Brude
I just made this one by hand in Adobe Illustrator. I don't usually make schedules (leave that to the producers!) but I use Illustrator when the need arises.
@Legion of Doom
Yeah, as stated elsewhere, there may not be a gollym equivalent in GoT, there will be 30-40 shots at least per episode which will need SOMETHING done (castles extended, trees/parking lots removed, Westerosi matte paintings, Pentosi cities illuminated, wherlhouses embellished, fake snow, etc.).
It all adds up to about 8 weeks of post per episode IMHO. Some will be more, others less.
…ryan
invertebraeQuote Reply
Personally, I'd hate the John Adams approach. All that time for the sake of changing some colours. Waste of money in a piss poor economy says I.
But still, we'll see.
I suggested action figures age ago:
>Cersei and Jaime in an Incestomara duel pack
>Robb and Greywind with interchangable head action
>Jon Snow with 'emo bastard' facial expression
>King Robert with clip on Fat Suit (double as Renly when not fat) – Toysrus exclusive features Loras in riding pose…….
I could go on ;)
legion_quest666Quote Reply
ha, legion. i remember your awesome action figure ideas. robb/greywind, in my opinion, is the real kicker.
nikkiQuote Reply
John Adams did a bit more than change some colors…
I think the reason for the heavy CGI use, is that it is probably becoming cheaper and more efficient to make huge expansive sets digitally than to actually rebuild Boston in the 1700's.
Similarly, as they can't rebuild Westeros, there will be a lot of digital composition, filming "earthly things" and then digitally morphing them into Westerosi things, and then as Le Gude said, just a lot of environmental and atmospheric enhancements.
ChrisQuote Reply
In that case would you not hire a larger team to do the work?
I'm not HBO and living in the UK don't know them as a broadcaster that well, but surely when you have this much pre-hype for a show not even having a green light yet, would you not want to capitalise and get it out ASAP rather than take forever to do something?
Would that not simply make better business sense?
I just hate the idea of having to wait so long.
You would think with all the waiting for the books, I'd be used to long waits associated with ASoIaF, but no. It still pisses me off royally.
legion_quest666Quote Reply
probably a lot of the gore will be CGI, depending on how much they are gonna blatantly show
***SPOILERS***
The dothraki wedding scene, when a certain hound cuts a certain child near in half, etc.
wabawangaQuote Reply
@Legion –
Unfortunately, with a lot of creative development and artistic production, you can't just "throw more people" at a problem and get results. They can hire more people to put up sets and stuff like that, but I'm sure they have all that well under control, they are industry professionals after all ;)
ChrisQuote Reply
Of course you can throw more people at it and hope for the best.
Look at Soviet war tactics!
………..Bad example………
legion_quest666Quote Reply
@wabawanga –
I actually hadn't really thought about how far they would take the gore and violence. The books are pretty graphic and descriptive: kid getting cut almost in half, theon kicking heads, direwolves tearing out throats and intestines, dothraki being dothraki, any scene with Gregor, etc etc.
I assume some of it won't make it to the screen( butcher's son ), but I expect them to keep the gritty, realistic approach to the violence and gore.
ChrisQuote Reply
And another nice *crickets* moment brought to you by legion_quest666 for a change (instead of ME!).
…ryan
invertebraeQuote Reply
@legion I think we'll have CGI in almost every scene excep up close characters (and then even they might enhance the image). Imho postproduction will be huge on this project but then I know nothing. I guess we'll have to wait and see how long it took them to finish the pilot to have an idea of how long it'll take for a season (counting that battles and some place will take more work)
SA_AvengerQuote Reply
I don't like the overly CGI'ed stuff, I think I'd prefer a more gritty and natural look. Not just because I want to see it quicker, but literally just because I think when something looks too 'glossy', it becomes a distraction.
I want to enjoy and get lost in the story, not in the pretty pictures, lol.
Guess I'm just old fashioned!
legion_quest666Quote Reply
Day 20: Even more filming..
Posted by Sarah
File Under: even more
I'm guessing there will be more filming about something, somewhere. Discuss.
Sarah Ha HaQuote Reply
CGI is an elusive word.
removing out of place background elements from a location (power lines, etc.) isn't CGI necessarily, but manipulated anyhow.
adding in the inference of a vast kingdom for a landscape shot is CGI, but usually adds to the whimsy of a scene, and all the great movies have done it since the beginning of cinema.
CGI wolves talking to beavers and foxes, on the other hand. well nobody wants that in GoT, obviously.
I think we won't notice the CGI, HBO are quite good at avoiding b-movie, sci-fi channel, pulpy culty cheese stuff in their dramas, can anyone argue otherwise?
and legion, once we get flying dragons, you're going to have to come face to face with the brutal reality of CGI.
:)
…ryan
invertebraeQuote Reply
I think I am with legion on this. I think film today relays to heavly on CGI, sure you opened up possiblites with what you can do but sometimes it does not look as good as old fashion ground effects. The movie "The Thing" looked awsome with out any computer generated creature, and old movies like Ben-Hur and Spartecus look alot better with there armies of real extras then that disappointing wide shot of the armies of mordor in RotK that looked like little black dots.
HouseUmberQuote Reply
@legion with your ASOIAF figure ideas. *TWO THUMBS UP* Not only cool but funny! How bout Dany though?
AH MAN! I forgot Tshirts to market for each house or the characters with their famous quotes.
Let's not forget the banners! BANNERS. I have posted in Westeros about "House Banners in your Halls" I don't see why HBO couldn't market those. LOTR did. I'm currently working on some of my own as Ive state in Westeros.org. But those are taking time. Since I'm just one person. And I doubt I can profit from them really. I think I need to get a license from George and Co. I can at least show concept art and finished work. And people are welcome to rip into them with opinion. Actually I do love mature debate, it's refreshing.
I would also love to see Letter opener size versions of all the swords seen. Ice, Longclaw, Needle, Jaime's sword…
ScottQuote Reply
Oh, I don't mind CGI for actual things, I'm just against the idea of CGI for the sake of CGI; like for touching up every little thing or every piece of background etc.
legion_quest666Quote Reply
@Scott
Dany with Drogo/Irri bisexual tent playset?
Dany and Viserys twin pack with golden cauldron clip on?
Dany and Sponge Dragons that grow when you add water?
legion_quest666Quote Reply
GOT action figures would take all my money. I can see Mcfarlane or Neca doing a great line of toys.
Series One: Build-a-Gregor
Collect all 5 action figures and build your own Mountain that Rides!
JillianQuote Reply
Yes Jillian! Just like the Marvel ones!
legion_quest666Quote Reply
Legion,
It's funny, I'm exactly the opposite.
I love CGI for background elements. The tower blocks for The Wire someone brought up earlier are a great example. I like the freedom it gives the filmmakers to extend the space surrounding the main players.
The caveat here is that it has to look good in order to work. Before the John Adams clip surfaced I was nowhere near as positive CGI was the way to go to help bring Westeros to life. Now I see exactly what they're planning on doing and know the technology exists to make it work.
CGI characters, on the other hand, still rub me the wrong way.
Paul GudeQuote Reply
I suspect they will go your way Paul, because that's the sorta thing people are beginning to expect and if GoT doesnt do it, people will only draw attention to it not having it negatively.
legion_quest666Quote Reply
@legion
I have a lot of Marvel action figures…
JillianQuote Reply
I'm going more from the fact that they hired the folks that do that sort of thing and we've already got indications that they're doing it.
I don't think it was a decision they made because they felt peer pressure, or were worried about getting negative attention if they didn't do it. I think that this was seen as the best way to bring GRRM's vision to the screen.
HBO doesn't usually strike me as having a follower mentality.
Paul GudeQuote Reply
I just don't see why it's needed to the extent, but im sure I'll be happy to see it when/if it comes.
Jillian, I resisted because I knew if I got one, I'd need them all. The Galactus set almost convinved me. I love me some Galactus…
legion_quest666Quote Reply
Legion, you won't even notice anything, and that's the beauty of it. It will be more real and more gritty than reality.
MarkoQuote Reply
The John Adams clips convinced me that background CGI can be done well and I am no longer fearful of GOT using it. I always get nervous when when talking about CGI because we only notice it when it's terrible. When it's good (like John Adams) we barely notice it's there. Still pretty against the wolves as CGI though.
@legion
I have about 45 of the Marvel legends figures alone…and still haven't been able to build one of the build-a-figures in its entirety. I have a lower torso with legs of a sentinel on my dresser. I like toys…
JillianQuote Reply
Aparently Marko and I are thinking alike.
JillianQuote Reply
Man, all this talk about merchandising and the fact that action figure sales totally will work in my mind reminds me that this show is going to be unlike anything HBO has done.
I don't doubt GoT will be represented at Comic-con this year, whether officially or not. At least a few fans will be showing up in costume, I suspect.
Of course, HBO would be crazy NOT to do something.
Paul GudeQuote Reply
Jillian, I'm with you on this.
CGI Winterfell = Good
CGI Direwolves = Bad
Paul GudeQuote Reply
I think the issue I have with CGI is simply that they never used it to make excellent shows and films in the past, why now does every little colour and background image need touching up?
Just seems over the top in my mind when simple realism can look just as good. I suppose thats the downside to HD TV, if it doesnt look perfect it shows up a hundreds times worse in HD.
legion_quest666Quote Reply
*Note to self: Do not pick fight with Buster Reeves*
The poster formerly known as
Thoros of Myr
prometevsbergQuote Reply
Legion, you've seen the John Adams footage, yes?
Most of the time, the CGI was a solution for something that for whatever reason wasn't workable at the time. They simply didn't have access to a huge road, or they needed to remove a whole bunch of trees. Or they needed to add tons of snow to a place where there simply wasn't enough.
My guess is that these things could be done without CGI, but end up costing a heck of a lot more to secure locations, etc.
Again, though, for the purposes of this discussion we know that they've already done it.
Paul GudeQuote Reply
HBO probably knows they can win extra money with the merchandise this show is going to sell. Remember George's Not a Blog segment where he mentioned he had very long discussion with the HBO-guys about this sort of stuff?
Spoilers beneath:
I do hope (if show is picked up of course) they are going to show the Mycah-scene, either where he gets killed or you see the sliced open kid when the Hound throws it on the ground. I actually forgot what an impact that scene had the first time I read it: wow, this is definately not a fairytale. At least Bran survived his fall, this kid is just brutally murdered. Viewers will be disgusted, but understand it's part of the story and love the show even more for it.
When I re-read a game of thrones it didn't even shock me anymore: oh yeah, totally forgot about this kid getting sliced in two for becoming friends with my favorite character. George is making me immune to feeling emotions of brutally murdered kids, that's probably not good…
KnurkQuote Reply
Did Buster Reeves do the stunts for Dinklage *snicker*
ScottQuote Reply
Yeah, I shall just continue to mutter like someone three times my age as the wheels of progress roll on by………(makes mummbling 75yr old like comments)
legion_quest666Quote Reply
On the subject of 'promo' materials for the show.
Check this link for 'mock' photoshopped posters (this is a Finnish site, I think, linked to a Russian one). Click on one and you get the full range.
http://tulenjajaanlaulu.webs.com/
Not perfect by any means – but tons of enthusiasm.
kinnygrahamQuote Reply
Scott,
Dinklage does a lot of his own stunts. From this interview:
"I like doing my own stunts, but a lot of times they make you use a double; the one I didn't do, on "Caspian," my stunt double did and got a concussion, so it can be dangerous. … But we had a lot of preparation. We choreographed all the fights, did about three weeks of swordfight training. Some of the cast did horseback training, but I didn't have a horse in this one."
My guess is that if they need someone to double for Dinklage, they'll call on someone like Paul Lowe.
Paul GudeQuote Reply
Joseph S. Griffo has doubled for Dinklage in the past.
Paul GudeQuote Reply
@Gude. Mine was a joke about Buster because in the news above "He also mentions that Buster Reeves is handling the stunts for the pilot."
So I instantly thought how funny him as a stunt double for Dinklage would be. Since Dinklage is a short person. And that it didn't say "handling *SOME* of the stunts for the pilot" so with my sense of humor i thought "for everyone *snicker*"
It was a joke. I wasn't being serious. C'est la vie.
I might have forgotten to mention I find the funny things in the smallest of places.
ScottQuote Reply
Like my wife.
HAHAHAHAHAHAHA, i'm so funny.
Also, I don't have a wife, just wanted to make that joke.
legion_quest666Quote Reply
She must be a great imaginary wife.
ScottQuote Reply
Those are the best kinds.
…
ChrisQuote Reply
what "stunts" appear in the pilot that would require a martial arts expert?
izakmoQuote Reply
The opening scene has a sword fight in it.
JohnQuote Reply
In the leaked script, the sword fight with the Other had been cut.
Even if they add it back in, I assume they'll use a fencing expert to choreograph the sword fight, as well as Bran and Tommen's practice fight.
izakmoQuote Reply
More speculation, but that is a lot of stunt experience for a pilot that shouldn't require many stunts…
ChrisQuote Reply
Isn't there crazy stuff going on at Dany and Drogo's wedding? I recall something about there being several fights, a couple to the death, as that's just how the Dothraki roll.
Then you have the practice bouts in the yard. Don't Joffrey and Robb actually get into it at one point, but with wooden swords, then that leads into the disagreement about bare steel?
Adam WhiteheadQuote Reply
@ adam
Oh yeah, I forgot about the dothraki wedding. That must be it.
I don't think Robb and Joff are shown fighting in the book or the leaked script. Just Bran and Tommen. But like I said, it seems more likely they'll use a fencing expert for sword fights rather than a martial arts expert like Buster Reeves.
izakmoQuote Reply
Maybe some of the horse riding / racing stuff will have stuntmen? Like Robb and Jon racing and Dany sprinting her new horse and jumping the fire.
ChrisQuote Reply
The wedding should have some stunts – there's a sword fight between two Dothraki when they both want the same woman – it's in both the book and the script.
I could see that during the training scene there could be some other men at arms in the background going at it, while Tommen and Bran have their turn. Depending on how it's shot, there could be a stunt double for the tower scene.
BrudeQuote Reply
NCW needs a stunt double for that scene in the tower with Lena?!?! Sign me up!
gofalconsQuote Reply
Scott, I got what you were trying to do.
I figured treating it as an actual question was better than telling you I found it in poor taste.
Paul GudeQuote Reply
Hey, wait a sec…Who did they get for Tommen?
Critical GeekQuote Reply
No name was released for Tommen, he's going to just be an extra really. The only reason we know who Myrcella is is because her father mentioned it somewhere online (or maybe it was Twitter) and someone found it on a search.
BrudeQuote Reply
Hallo! I am long time Troll-goblin.
Now, since many months have finally to post a comment here on the Winter because I not able to control the need to express my opinion & my great freelings about the pilot!
I read now Game of Thrones and the excitement is very endearing to me! During circle around fire my family read and eat burn sugarmarshs and take turns to orate the adventures from GoT.
I also have many fine opinions about CGI and have made purchase of DVD John Adams never before viewed to add to library of many dusty DVDs. So I have good news for GoT!
Therefore I also know well the youtube video of CGI on John Adams, so I am very well versed and practically a professional. Certain, I am able to comment!
An I see many years from today the Fall Guy, so stunt is easy.
So now I will post many times to. Thank you my good friend!
Bopo the Telegraph Boy.Quote Reply
@Gude
I really think you need to lighten up a little. You take everything way to seriously and you need to find your inner child it's screaming at you to laugh a little.
People who can't manage to laugh at themselves or even a small joke take the fun and light out this crappy world.
This is after all a blog full of discussion. If you find it in poor taste, maybe just ignore it.
Do you enjoy political cartoons…or comic strips for that matter…?
Although if your trying to become the role of Eddard Stark where humor is almost alien to him. Congrats on the emmy.
ErikaQuote Reply
Erika.
I like to think I have a sense of humor. Of course, who doesn't, right?
I'm simply not impressed by jokes made at the expense of little people. I didn't want to make a big deal about it, but if the issue is getting pressed, so be it.
Paul GudeQuote Reply
If it was actually funny, I might have had a different reaction.
"Hey, this guy is taller than Peter Dinklage!" Har har har har. Really? Really? Oh yeah, that's comedy.
Paul GudeQuote Reply
@erika
We have a tradition in this blog – as you probably know, being a long time lurker as you said – to try and keep a civil tongue amongst ourselves.
Even when becoming annoyed or upset or arguing hotly about something.
I know, being swedish, that in the translation between my own tongue and english, and the fact that I sometimes use amiable sarcasm amongst my friends IRL (I know it's not really called IRL any more, ;) but I'm just a sucker for remembring new frases…) – that it's not always that easy translating "witty comments" onto this medium – internet.
AS is the case on many blogs.
It's just harder to get feelings through without someone misunderstanding something.
Paul Gude is a solid champion of the civil tongue on this blog, as I've seen many times – probably told me off on some occasion, before I learned, aswell… ;)
It's just one of the many reasons trolls are not allowed any more here – in one matter of speaking… :P
And the tone in your remark towards PG is downright rude. There is no need for it.
I don't know if you are englishspeaking normally, unlike me. But I find that the social and cultural codes between proper english and "swedishthought" english are different.
That's just the way it is – lost in translation.
But please – keep that in mind.
Amiably ment/ Livvey
PS: hope that I in turn didn't sound too rude, but I just can't tell from an englishspeaker's point of view…
LivveyQuote Reply
well, you should look at the CGI debate like this: if something is cheaper done in post with various types of SFX (we shouldn't forget that mostly CGI is still matte painting and not creating 3D dragons) it's obviously the way to go.
creating a city or enlarging a fortress is obvious. but, in fact, the same goes for adding snow (can you imagine how much time covering a forest with snow would take and how much time would be needed to set a scene up again when the whole crew has walked over it) or adding small background elements (when they are showing the road up to Kingslanding, it is easier to film it on any suitable road and to add abandoned keeps or windmills to the horizon to create the mood in post).
also, you must not forget that in this day and age every shot goes through post for color correction, adjustment, etc.
peeterQuote Reply
Oh yeah – and I agree with Paul.
It's really bad taste in jokes, making a joke based on anyones appearance, height or any other expence.
I didn't catch the joke in the first place, probably the translation/fast reading thing – but really Scott?
Really? Funny?
I beg to differ.
–Livvey
LivveyQuote Reply
Thanks, Livvey. You explained that better than me, I think. Your English is great.
Peeter, I think you're exactly correct. Thanks again for sending that John Adams link around. It really sold me on the backgrounds.
Paul GudeQuote Reply
@ PG
:)
Thanks. I know it works alright, but I feel/know the limitations…
LivveyQuote Reply
I was talking about the whole wheelhouse thing with my friend who first introduced me to the series way back in 2000 and he made a great point. He's of the opinion that the wheelhouse should be as ridiculously huge and ostentatious as possible. He wants to see a huge two-story house on wheels actually drawn by 40 horses and everything. He even suggested a brick chimney or two wouldn't be too much in his opinion.
Why should it go so far? Well, considering that even a man with the appetites of King Robert found the thing to be absurd and overly ostentatious says a lot about the thing. Seeing Cersei come out of it in all her Royal Splendor can make for an amazing entrance for her character (we know the Pycell scene has been removed, so it's quite possible she won't be seen until that moment).
I'm not saying I totally agree with him on just how huge it should be, but I do think he has a point.
BrudeQuote Reply
I guess we have to skip the Sansa/Tyrion wedding, then. After all – its funny because Tyrion is shorter than Sansa(!!!)
sjweningsQuote Reply
sjwenings,
The Sansa/Tyrion wedding scene works on several different levels. If by that time you're identifying with Tyrion, you're able to juxtapose the sheer absurdity of the physical action with the agonizingly awful social and mental pressure exerted upon him at that moment.
It's brilliantly written, and not just a cheap shot at the expense of someone's height.
Paul GudeQuote Reply
Brude,
It'll be interesting to see how this plays out. I'm with your friend in thinking that having a monstrosity isn't that bad of a thing.
However, in the leaked pilot, there's no real indication that it's anything too out of the ordinary:
"As the king’s party dismounts, an ornate wheelhouse pulls into their midst."
Still, DeNiro's famous "You talkin' me?" scene in Taxi Driver was said to be in the screenplay simply as:
"Travis looks in the mirror."
So who knows how the wheelhouse will look in the end?
Paul GudeQuote Reply
Ah yes, paraphrasing Mark Twain here:
Dissecting a joke is like dissecting a frog. You learn how it was supposed to work, but the frog tends to die in the process.
Critical GeekQuote Reply
Well, Peter Dinklage seems to be able to deal with jokes of that kind – just watch this clip. Otherwise, I guess he would have picked a less public profession… ;-)
DunkeltrollQuote Reply
@Paul
I didn't even see it as a joke at the expense of his height – rather a joke about the absurdity of a stunt double that looks nothing like the actor.
And because people here still only see this as an "attack" at Dinklage, it seems like ANY comedic punches in regards to his height would offend you – thats why i brought up that scene. But i guess we just saw it differently in the first place.
sjweningsQuote Reply
And while I'm at it: this list could need a picture of a certain wheelhouse ;-)
DunkeltrollQuote Reply
Not to prolong this already too long argument, but while the "joke" was in slightly bad taste, I don't think anything offensive was meant by it. More so that it would look funny in a bad movie kind of way, where its really obvious that a stunt double was used.
But not quite as bad as this! haha
ChrisQuote Reply
Ninja'd! dammit.
ChrisQuote Reply
I think that, while the joke certainly wasn't funny, it was definitely not meant to hurt anyone.
amir mishaliQuote Reply
Had a good time at the signing last night, though I, yet again, found out nothing of interest to you guys. I think I can safely say that I would be a tyerrible journalist, as I just get chatting about inconsequential stuff and completely forget to ask anything important.
GRRM remembered me, though, which was really nice, as I didn't think he would.
SilverstarQuote Reply
Being fairly short myself (5'3") I wasn't offended by Scott's joke and can see the absurdity of the idea a la women on Monty Python. How anyone can see the Tyrion/Sansa wedding scene as comedic though is beyond me.
gofalconsQuote Reply
Let's move on. Someone made a joke, someone didn't appreciate it but didn't make a fuss of it. So there's no problem.
@Silverstar: were there more people at the signing than in NI?
KnurkQuote Reply
Hmm, difficult to say. Probably about the same as in Belfast, but from what I've heard, there were tons more in Dublin. We were quite near the front of the queue, so I don't know how many people join it after we'd left. I know another friend of mine said he was second to last in the queue, and he met up with us in the pub around sevenish.
SilverstarQuote Reply
RE: jokes about Dinklage's height
Check out "The Station Agent" for proof that Dinklage is very comfortable with himself and capable of making very funny and very subtle jokes about his size. That type of humor will go over VERY well as Tyrion because I believe that Tyrion, the character, makes it very plain that he knows the hard truth of what he is and will bring it up, on the rare occasions when other do not. "Make it your armor…"
brhodesQuote Reply
personally I was more offended by legions wife joke.
ha. Jk.
does anyone remember the beginning of fellowship of the ring when frodo sees gandalf coming? there's a 2-shot where frodo jumps from a grassy knoll into gandalfs arm. The first shot is gandalf leaping. The second shot is a little person double flailing into gandalfs arms. I always thought that bit of editing was funny. Mostly because of the jarring juxtaposition.
And for the record, Güds antic (and mine) is that we have an incessant need to qualify our thoughts and posts to a fault at times. Color us thorough if not full of humor and quipdom, though the latter is highly debatable.
:)
*the frog is dead. long live the frog!*
…ryan
invertebraeQuote Reply
Re: More on jokes about Dinklage and the Wedding scene
Also, what makes the wedding scene so painful is that the reader is inside Tyrion's head and knows that what Sansa did really got to him. On that occasion, at his own wedding, he was not allowed dignity, even where it would have been easy to accomodate him.
brhodesQuote Reply
Oh, oh, my wife joke not up to your high cricketing standards eh Ryan :P
Lol.
I love this blog. Even a joke about a GoT character gets over analysed and broken down. I am so glad I stumbled across it because it never ever fails to make me smile whatever the crappy day is throwing at me!
legion_quest666Quote Reply
can we see some cast photos already? the book signing was nice and all, but where's the true spiders who hath glimpsed our cast in costume, on set?
i'm (we're?) ashamed of you, northern ireland fantasy reader spies!
…ryan
invertebraeQuote Reply
Also, go watch this Assassin's Creed: Lineage
It's a live action prologue for the latest AC game and it had a bit of a GoT feel to it for me. Thought some of you might enjoy.
legion_quest666Quote Reply
Nice work, everyone. I love getting into work in the morning and spending a good 20 minutes reading your over-analytical banter. (and I'm actually not being sarcastic)
and so I will add my two cents re: the wedding scene.
There's no way they will leave this scene out. It is SO crucial to the understanding of the Sansa/Tyrion relationship. And, when it appears on tv, it may seem like a bit of black humor, but when reading the book, I didn't find it funny at all–just awkward and painful.
nikkiQuote Reply
they spent a shitload on this short film legion, good find! i saw the CG little intro for AC a few months ago, but this is wild. almost seems like a series of vignettes? is each time we see the ASSASSINS CREED LINEAGE title supposed to be a different film?
having played the original AC game, i can say they nailed the production design her well. there's a borderline Mortal Kombat the movie vibe to some of the environs, but it works for this subject matter perfectly.
…ryan
invertebraeQuote Reply
i didn't find the tyrion wedding comical really, more sad and degrading, and more than uncomfortable.
being in tyrion's eyes, there is at once an empathy in him for sansa, and an embarrassment in him from his father and the others at the wedding making japes and imploring he get naked. i felt like a useless observer who couldn't help him or sansa out of the scene, though i wanted to.
and i felt just the opposite when joffrey drank his soup. don't we all love a little karma?
…ryan
invertebraeQuote Reply
Actually, bhrhodes, we are in Sansa's head for the wedding scene. Just wanted to point that out, because most Tyrion fans go far out of their way to excuse anything Tyrion might do or feel, while raking Sansa over the coals for, you know, not wanting to marry an ugly dwarf whose family murdered her own.
/derail
CloudedDazeQuote Reply
That assassin's creed video is amazing. It made me think of another upcoming heavily cgi-ed project: Avatar. I know this movie is supposed to be a huge deal and already has a ton of buzz, but in this case I really don't like the look of the movie. (besides the fact that it is essentially Fern Gully directed by James Cameron and cgi instead of animation)
The look of the cgi-ed characters in this movie do not appeal to me at all. I think it looks cheesy and don't think I could get past that when watching the movie. Thoughts?
nikkiQuote Reply
It's part 1 of 3.
Part 2 is ruoured to be out tomorrow and then the final part next weekend, but don't quote me on that….
As and when I see the new parts, I'll link them through.
@Nikki, I don't tend to judge something until I see it fully, but yeah, Avatar doesnt look like my sort of film and I love the Fern Gully comparison.
legion_quest666Quote Reply
@ Clouded -
Good point, I'll have to go back, its been a while. I thought I remembered Tyrion's seething.
Anyway, that scene to me wasn't about whether Sansa wanted to marry Tyrion or not, she had resigned herself to do it. I always wondered why, assuming she was going thru with it anyway, she couldn't show the smallest kindness to the one Lannister who was consistently kind to her. Earlier Sansa had gotten angry at the thought that Joff would be mad at her for something Arya did, and "that just wouldn't be fair…" However, it is hard to blame Sansa for not realizing that Tyrion did not actually want to marry her either and that it was others who had made that decision…
brhodesQuote Reply
@brhodes,
I'd say it was the tiniest little act of defiance she had left to her.
And although Tyrion had been nice to her up to that point, how was she to know that was how he planned to stay? He was a Lannister, and the Lannisters weren't exactly her favourite people.
Cersei had been really nice to her … right up until she wasn't. Joffrey had been really nice to her … right up until he wasn't. As far as Sansa was concerned, Lannisters were nice to her while she was useful, and once she wasn't useful anymore, they turned nasty. She was still useful to Tyrion at that point, from her point of view, but once he had her body and her claim and Winterfell, what was to stop him turning on her just like the rest of them?
SilverstarQuote Reply
Tell you what, this place will be on fire when the first teaser trailer is released!
rimshot44Quote Reply
@brhodes
Yeah I have wondered why she let them make her as well. (But considering her treatment at their hands, she probably thought she would be beaten or worse) Although she did have the option of Lancel or Tyrion, and she "chose" Tyrion, so I think she knew he was kind to her on some level.
About the cloaking scene, I always saw it as one or the other was to be humiliated, either by Sansa kneeling, or by Sansa refusing to kneel. Very sad.
CloudedDazeQuote Reply
Whoops, forgot that the wedding was from Sansa's POV. Still doesn't change my opinion of the scene.
On the Avatar tip, here is my little contribution to the oddity that is James Cameron's latest opus… Avatar vs. Delgo
…ryan
invertebraeQuote Reply
@rimshot,
Are you taunting us with your knowledge? ;)
SilverstarQuote Reply
Ryan, your link is to Sansa's POV @ tower of the hand. I was thinking I would go read that though, so thanks!
nikkiQuote Reply
I meant that the Avatar vs Delgo link is the same as your Sansa one above.
nikkiQuote Reply
nikki
I completely agree. The trailer for Avatar put me off the movie. I really have no interest in seeing it. The Fern Gully comparison is brilliant.
And yeah, I can only image this place when the trailer is released.
JillianQuote Reply
Even if Avatar looked good, I'd still be pissed because they ripped off Fern Gully, and I (ahem) loved Fern Gully. After a quick google search I have discovered I'm not the only one who thought of the comparison immediately. This guy is pretty funny. Avatar
nikkiQuote Reply
CloudedDaze,
Good point. I had forgotten that, myself. Still very uncomfortable, once she realizes what he wants her to do and then refuses to do it.
As far as Scott's joke goes, I get it. Scott didn't mean anything bad by it, I kill all humor and fun by pointing out that I find it in bad taste, Dinklage is used to stupid short jokes and doesn't need anyone defending him, blah blah blah. Far be it from me to stifle your creative process. Please feel free to let the witty comments about Dinklage's height flow like an old-timey river. You're right. I'm sure he loves 'em, which is the main takeaway from The Station Agent, right? People with achondroplasia *love* dwarf jokes. Can't get enough of 'em.
You're right about him having a sense of humor about it to:
"When I was younger, definitely, I let it get to me. As an adolescent, I was bitter and angry and I definitely put up these walls. But the older you get, you realize you just have to have a sense of humor. You just know that it's not your problem. It's theirs."
So there you go. Make all the jokes you want. It's your problem, not his.
Moving on…
Nikki, whereas the John Adams footage got me used to the idea of the CGI background, I've yet to see footage of any CGI character used in conjunction with actual footage that feels "right" to me yet, even Avatar.
Granted, it's the best looking one so far, but that doesn't mean it doesn't throw me off.
Paul GudeQuote Reply
So when are they going to cast Varys so we can get some of his "little birds" in on the filming? Varys would have had cast&crew pics by now! :-p
CrystalQuote Reply
Nikki
I also loved Fern Gully.
JillianQuote Reply
Sorry:
- Avatar vs. Delgo.
And here's another one that was quite funny:
- Hitler learns that the Avatar trailer sucks.
…ryan
invertebraeQuote Reply
@ Paul
WOW, I must have missed a rather mean-spirited jab at Dinklage – time to read the comments closer…
brhodesQuote Reply
there are about a dozen amazing quotes from that hitler youtube clip. i hope those who haven't seen it enjoy it in kind.
Namely:
"He should have left the remake of 'Fern Gully: The Last Rainforest' to Lucas!"
"Anyone that hasn't seen Piranha 2, Xenogenesis, or Dark Angel, please leave now."
"Who the hell wants 'Clone Wars: Thundercats'?"
"Fake fan made posters that turned out more exciting than the real thing!"
…ryan
invertebraeQuote Reply
brhodes,
I doubt you'll find anything you'll think is out of bounds.
I'm of the minority opinion on this score. I've come to terms with it and am more than willing to move on.
Paul GudeQuote Reply
I LOVE those Hitler finds out videos. They never fail to make me laugh.
legion_quest666Quote Reply
Wow, you people can be over-analytical. And oversensitive. Everyone has problems. Be it your physical faults your emotional fragile balance or real life problems.
If you have these issues. Maybe reading ASOIAF isn't right for you. Because GRRMs writing is rife with this in some manner. We have Robert being fat and in his cups, Jaime…well Jaime is jaime. I love jaime (my personal belief is he has the most believable character and character evolution). You have Tyrion who makes the best of his faults. Brienne who is very manly but can manage to handle it. Shall I go on…
Our faults are what make us unique and how we handle them. If you can't laugh at them a little. You aren't comfortable with yourself.
We now return to your regularly scheduled program.
ScottQuote Reply
Actually, I just realized you read my joke and quickly formed an assumption that I meant Dinklage. In my joke I was joking about Buster Reeves doing the stunts for the pilot just like WiC said. Therefor since I didn't see in his news update "some fo the stunts"
You could have easily said I was making fun of Lena heady or Bran. And others requiring Stunts that Buster Greeves may not be suited for. Buster Greeves in a Blond wig for instance. There I Think I clarified the joke.
@Brhodes. There you go.
ScottQuote Reply
Scott,
I formed the assumption that you meant Dinklage because you said Dinklage. I don't think you've perpetrated some crime against humanity. I just think you told a joke that was in bad taste.
Paul GudeQuote Reply
Please, Oh Gods of Painful Internet Arguments, send down to us a nugget of enlightenment to cease this lull. Preferably news of a season order.
ChrisQuote Reply
Chris,
Sorry man. Stopping now. Honest.
Paul GudeQuote Reply
And what a perfect time to remind you all that the live chat with Esme Bianco will be happening in one hour.
Paul GudeQuote Reply
Lovely, now we can all be e-buddies again ;)
legion_quest666Quote Reply
Haha no worries, I think we're all just having trouble adjusting to the sad fact that news will probably be slowing down :( We're lost without our daily information-worms fed to us by Mama Winter.
ChrisQuote Reply
This Hitler video is unwatchable to me, since German is my mother tongue – I keep listening to his rant and ignoring the subtitles… someone should dub this.
DunkeltrollQuote Reply
Maybe GRRM will post a note on his blog that he's in Marrakech with Tamzin, Iain, Ian and Jason. I suppose he's in there already…
MauberlyQuote Reply
Well, does anyone (any of the spiders example:that are within the extras), have any news as to how the Dany scenes are going. How the sets look?…
I'm very curious how they are doing her hair. I'm guessing they have purple contacts on her eyes…
ScottQuote Reply
Ryan that Hitler video is hilarious!
I have a feeling that Tamzin's silver hair and purple eyes will be subtle. Like a super-light cool blonde color and blue-purple eyes.
nikkiQuote Reply
@Scott –
The assumption is that news will probably be sparse to nonexistent coming from Morocco, besides what we may hear from GRRM or crew members(which isn't usually much). It's expected that the extras will all be from that area, and I don't know how many active members live or would be visiting Morocco.
You never know though, we could get some extras who have never read of the book, but were curious about the project they were working on and found their way here. I think that is how Rimshot made it here, if I'm not mistaken.
ChrisQuote Reply
I truly hope they at least stick with white hair. Silver wig wouldnt be to hard. And there isnt even an excuse if they cant manage a tint,tone or shade of purple in any form. Lavender, lilac for her eyes. Those contacts are easier than cg'n them in.
ScottQuote Reply
This is it! Live chat with Esmé for the next hour here.
Paul GudeQuote Reply
Someone ask her whether the cast enjoyed spending time with the fans, will ya?
SilverstarQuote Reply
No greenscreens at the brothel scene says Esme……interesting when considering the cgi debate from yesterday
legion_quest666Quote Reply
or CGI dots or anything that indicate pre-cgi post production at all….
Esme also says that the scenes were different line wise every time she auditioned (3 times) and changed on set as well. So the leaked script might not be good for much anymore….
legion_quest666Quote Reply
Interesting too that she said they were "on location" for the scene.
I'm guessing that if her scene changed, other things will have been altered, too.
So much for the leaked script, now. :(
Many of my old arguments are moot.
Paul GudeQuote Reply
@Paul
Ros action figure with 'extra special favours' feature with gold coins included?
legion_quest666Quote Reply
Ryan and I are both trying in different ways to get her to talk about accents now.
I don't know if it's ever going to happen.
Paul GudeQuote Reply
Guys, did you noticed that there's no one in the liveChat that isn't a poster here or in Westeros?
talk about endogamy! :-)
CaedesQuote Reply
Is there anyone in the Esme chat that isn't from WiC or Westeros haha?
RoninKengoQuote Reply
Ryan (invertebrae) asked Esmé Bianco about standouts during the table read:
Esmé: all of the kids stood out – they were amazing
Best news I've heard all day.
About Yea HighQuote Reply
someone should just invite her over here. It would be the same discussion
JillianQuote Reply
alot of great/reassuring info in the chat. too bad she didn't get to the accents bit :/ i was curious about the dinklage/ncw brotherly interaction too
nikkiQuote Reply
I am lurking at the chat…
@Silverstar
Esme said that GOT fans are great.
And that Martin apparently loves them.
p.s. All the GUYS from WiCs blog are there. (wondering why?) :P
The rabbitQuote Reply
Funny, that …
;)
SilverstarQuote Reply
Lol, Rabbit, what are you suggesting :P
legion_quest666Quote Reply
Well, that was cool. I was watching the chat while at work.
In the final moments, I got one comment in. I told Esme that she should come back and audition for the role of Melisandre. :)
lexQuote Reply
@the rabbit: oh please. if i could bottle and sell the drool that NCW and Sean and the rest of they boys have induced on this blog … well i probably wouldn't make very much because that would be gross … but i would have quite a few industrial sided barrels of drool :)
Who Is Jacopo Belbo?Quote Reply
I caught the chat at the end and was able to scroll up and read it. Definitely sounds like the pilot we see will be much different than the pilot script we read. Which is great, as I'm sure lots of improvements were made, plus it will keep it fresh for us. I was initially worried about ruining the show for myself a bit by reading the pilot before hand.
ChrisQuote Reply
PS – HBO has brought actors back, in the past. Dillahunt played two different major characters in Deadwood. I think Esme looks like a perfect Melisandre.
lexQuote Reply
Oopsie, I missed the chat! I hope someone can do a little summary, unless everything was already said above?
ManiQuote Reply
@lex: that was a good idea actually … i mean i am rooting for Eva Green myself but if they go with a smaller name she might work … i am still holding out for Eva …. crosses fingers and toes …
@rabbit: i am only kidding of course but you have to let us boys do our drooling too … tho the level of sycophancy in that chat was verging on nauseating
Who Is Jacopo Belbo?Quote Reply
Well, I was there and I'm a girl :p
MauberlyQuote Reply
me too
JillianQuote Reply
Jacopo Bobo: I've noted that most of us are extremely on the "hopeful/cheerful" side of the equation. Everyone's happy that (thus far) everything seems to be going well. I'm rather dreading what happens when we see the finished product if one of the actors/sets/locations/effects/lines doesn't measure up to the kinds of things we're hoping for.
Then it could be like … Jar-Jar backlash.
But hey. At least we're not Avatar.
About Yea HighQuote Reply
- archived esmé chat
a great chat session to everyone. and a good sport esmé was to humor us fans with her time.
…ryan
invertebraeQuote Reply
@legion
nothing at all. just noticing ;)
@Jacopo
I let you, no problem with that. :)
The rabbitQuote Reply
I.E., right now even whores are beloved.
About Yea HighQuote Reply
btw, esmé disproves someone's earlier concerns that fans would freak out if/when D&D veer from the book text.
:)
…ryan
invertebraeQuote Reply
I think Esme would make a fabulous Melisandre, great idea. We'll have to storm the casting threads at Westeros if we get to season 2.
nikkiQuote Reply
@WiC:
It seems clear that it's time for a new post!!
CaedesQuote Reply
@AYH: don't kid yourself … whores have always been 'beloved' … tehehe … both literal and methaphoical i'd imagine … sorry, don't want to start another off colour humour debate …
Who Is Jacopo Belbo?Quote Reply
Man, I got flashes of the Itchy and Scratchy Q&A in that episode of the Simpsons.
"Hi. A question for Miss Bellamy. In episode 2F09 when Itchy plays Scratchy's skeleton like a xylophone, he strikes the same rib twice in succession, yet he produces two clearly different tones. I mean, what are we to believe, that this is some sort of a magic xylophone or something? Boy, I really hope somebody got fired for that blunder."
DemersonQuote Reply
Oh, and it seems that Julia Frey is in Morocco, right?
MauberlyQuote Reply
Heh, I totally missed the chat. Got into a conversation with a friend (about the books, actually). I had submitted a question before the chat, which I see they posted for me.
Most interesting is that apparently her scene got re-written some each time she read for it, so what we have seen in the leaked script could be quite different from what they shot. This is normal though, most scripts are being rewritten even as the shoot happens.
I wonder how different a lot of other scenes will be as well, and what else might have been added or cut.
BrudeQuote Reply
I'm pretty sure they've probably added a Sansa scene in that wasn't in the pilot script, at least.
SilverstarQuote Reply
The only way GoT could get a Jar-Jar moment is that the direwolves start talking…
KnurkQuote Reply
My guess is that there is more of the scene where Sansa, Myrcella and Arya are practicing their needlework – if only because that sets up the whole thing about Arya calling her sword Needle and her later "needlework" with it.
I bet they added some dialogue between the kids before and during their food fight at the banquet as well.
BrudeQuote Reply
@ Knurk:
I can see it now. "Meesa called Greywind! Meesa your special direwolf friend!"
lexQuote Reply
@Silverstar
I think think George listed Sansa on one of his not-a-blog posts as a character with the lines.
And that was well ahead of time that script has been leaked.
The rabbitQuote Reply
Lex, that's painful to think about and damn funny.
The Lucas version of Game of Thrones is a parody video that would be an instant classic.
Paul GudeQuote Reply
Oh, I wouldn't be sure about that. The script leaked before Christmas last year …
MarkoQuote Reply
@Marko
Agree, I ment to say: That script was leaked well before George wrote this.
Hvala Marko, it is too late, and I am not aware what I am writing.
The rabbitQuote Reply
@paul
I can see it now
"No Jon, I am your father!"
Said by a dark shadowy figure that may or may not be a dream sequence, and which we never find out the identity of
JillianQuote Reply
NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!
legion_quest666Quote Reply
@Jilian
ha ha ha….
And Howland Reed (who apparently lives in simillar place as Yoda) would say dying: There is another…(last name is a free choice).
The rabbitQuote Reply
so, wait…by Star Wars logic Jon and Dany are twins? it all makes sense now…
JillianQuote Reply
Also, I've ordered Lightsaber chopsticks for christmas presents this year. It's going to be epic lol
I open my mouth and nerd just spills right out doesn't it?
JillianQuote Reply
Awesome, we just invented a new thing: Ice and Fire meets Star Wars.
KnurkQuote Reply
But if Luke is Jon, then Sam is Han Solo? I always thought Bron was kind of a Han Solo.
KnurkQuote Reply
GREYWIND "Yoosa and meesa, weesa gonna go kill some Lannisters!"
THEON GREYJOY (whining) "Robb may be king, but in some ways… many ways… I'm really ahead of him. You underestimate my power!"
lexQuote Reply
No, I'm pretty sure Bronn is Lando. Dolorous Edd is Han Solo.
gofalconsQuote Reply
ROBERT: "Ned, join me… join me and together we will rule Westeros."
NED: "I have a bad feeling about this…"
lexQuote Reply
And Illyrio would be … Jabba the Hutt.
gofalconsQuote Reply
Excellent.
At this rate we really will get the Emperor as Lord Frey
legion_quest666Quote Reply
all I can say is….. WOW.
see you next thread!
…ryan
invertebraeQuote Reply
THE EMPEROR / LORD FREY: "Now, witness the fire power of this fully armed and operational wedding party!"
lexQuote Reply
Sadly, our Darth Vader (catelyn?) can't stop the emperor this time!
KnurkQuote Reply
heh heh
As you wish, my Lord.
I have just finally understood how Howland saved Ned at Tower of Joy…by using the Force lightings towards Arthur Dayne.
Too late, too tired, and writing to much nonsenses..
The rabbitQuote Reply
oh we scared off Ryan…
JillianQuote Reply
He'll be back.
They always come back.
legion_quest666Quote Reply
I wrote a term paper on FDR's disability where I made comparisons to Bran's paralysis, making it the longest section of my paper,in what was spent as an all nighter. Great times…and completely unrelated to Morocco.
knowtomQuote Reply
hey i'm curious does any of you guys know what's supposed to be the age (at least by the look) of mel?
hermionehphgQuote Reply
By Mel do you mean Melisandre?
If so…..I think I read her to be in her mid thirties or thereabouts
legion_quest666Quote Reply
Melisandre is ageless. Timeless. Like Aes Sedai.
And that's the last Jordan-to-Martin connection I'll hopefully ever make.
About Yea HighQuote Reply
Lex,
I didn't mention this, but I think your suggestion of Esmé as Melisandre is actually quite good.
It'd be a totally different character, and allow her to show some range.
Paul GudeQuote Reply
Thanks. I wasn't sure if it had been mentioned before. It just popped into my head, when people were saying they hoped she could come back to the show after the pilot.
lexQuote Reply
Ian McDiarmid as Walder Frey? That could work. He'd also make a good Aemon.
Adam WhiteheadQuote Reply
Yeah, I think a lot of people were suggesting Ian McDiarmid as Walder Frey a while back. I really like the suggestion, but I think the only concern was that casting "the Emperor" would make it a little too obvious that he would turn out to be a bad guy in the end.
lexQuote Reply
I'd say cast him as Aemon then, if we need him to be more versatile.
Again, McDiarmid is a tremendously versatile and respected actor who has done fantastic stage and TV work, including a memorable turn in I think BLEAK HOUSE a few years ago. I tend not to automatically him immediately just as the Emperor and that's it.
Actually, now I think about it I like the idea of McDiarmid more for Aemon than Walder Frey. Aemon is much more talkative, has a lot more screentime, has some important storyline functions and so on, and McDiarmid is more than capable of doing all those things. Plus he's a goodie ;-)
Adam WhiteheadQuote Reply
I've always liked the idea of Karl Johnson for Walder Frey.
ShukunQuote Reply
INCONCEIVALBE!
Wallace Shawn for Walder Frey.
Critical GeekQuote Reply
Heh!
lexQuote Reply
I read the transcript and I was surprised noone asked her about Cersei which is THE other sexy woman of that pilot.
SA_AvengerQuote Reply
I think the issue you have casting The Emperor as anyone is that you are always going to have people expecting him to be evil. So, whether cast as Walder or Aemon, the general non-book reading audience will be expecting him to turn heel (wrestling term meaning turn evil).
As such, when he doesnt as Aemon, people may be dfisappointed, while as Walder, everyone may be waiting for it, but when it comes there will that certain sense of 'knew it' and of course, because he's so great, he'll make Walder come across as an even bigger bastard than he is.
TBH, I'd take The Emperor in any role. He really schol be in this. Be it Aemon (Derek Jacobi still my favourite for that role), Lord Walder or even in a beard and as GM Pycelle.
legion_quest666Quote Reply
@ legion and ayh
thanks for the information guys! xD
hermionehphgQuote Reply
The intrepid Julia Frey is in Morocco with the first current photos of the area (I suppose we won't be calling her "The Late Lady Frey"). Sadly, the pics are only of her hotel and the area thereabouts, but hey.
Welcome to Bozeman, Morocco!
About Yea HighQuote Reply
Or Ouarzazate, Morocco, I should say.
About Yea HighQuote Reply
You can see pics of various film sets in the area on Flickr. Have a feeling Atlas studios will be getting used, or did we already know that?
Love the fact the F-16 from Jewel in the Nile is still there ;)
JacMac30Quote Reply
@legion
That's a good point about possible disappointment. I'm in agreement that it would be great to have him in any role.
ShukunQuote Reply
I love Jewel in the Nile. And Romancing the Stone, and even the third but not quite third film War of the Roses. Awesome.
legion_quest666Quote Reply
Here's a pretty cool video on YouTube of the Atlas studios. I could certainly imagine Dany walking some of these streets.
A bit of green screen on the Egyptian stuff could do wonders too ;)
JacMac30Quote Reply
I must have missed this, but was anyone at the signing in London at Forbidden Planet on Wednesday? How did it go?
nikkiQuote Reply
I see Cancellation season started a bit early in America this year.
ABC have started announcing their fall schedule and seem to have cut shows that cost for shows that are cheap.
Hope this doesnt start a cost cutting trend :S
legion_quest666Quote Reply
@About Yea High:
What was that about Bozeman?
CloudedDazeQuote Reply
@legion
Hank (cheap), Dollhouse (moderate), Eastwick (moderate) are the cancellations I knew of recently. Southland (expensive) and Beautiful Life (moderate) were previous ones.
Where are you getting the "cutting expensive shows and keeping cheap ones" from? I'm actually genuinely interested. They seem to have renewed a bunch of moderate to higher budget shows already… (24, 90210, friday night lights, office, 30 rock, etc.).
It seems more like they just have a lower pain tolerance these days, but that's been true for the past few years. If a show isn't getting ratings (ESPECIALLY on network TV), it's sayonara sucker. Doesn't matter if it's an established hit like Prison Break or ER, or a new dramas like My Own Worst Enemy or Boston Legal. If people aren't watching, networks aren't funding.
…ryan
invertebraeQuote Reply
CloudedDaze,
I just misspoke.
I make 1.8 errors each year.
Brude usually catches them.
About Yea HighQuote Reply
@ About Yeah High
oh. just curious because I went to school there. Not a name you here mentioned very often, that's all. :)
CloudedDazeQuote Reply
*hear, not here.
CloudedDazeQuote Reply
Dollhouse and Eastwick were actually quite expensive to make as Dollhouse loaded up on CGI and Eastwick had one of the stars charging quite a bit.
In terms of renewing shows that don't seem to be getting viewers but are cheap to make, ABC renewed the Forgotten for 5 more episodes despite it losing half a million every week.
It will be interesting to see what else gets axed as the other networks start announcing in the next few weeks. HBO especially obviously.
legion_quest666Quote Reply
HBO is an entirely different beast than the other networks in terms of how they approach their series. They have always taken a quality-driven approach, whereas the networks take a very ratings-driven approach. Not to say that HBO will continue to air a show that no one watches, but I don't really think you can compare them with whats happening with networks like ABC and Fox.
Also, HBO has to be pretty optimistic right now, with True Blood being potentially their biggest hit show yet, some high profile shows such as The Pacific and Boardwalk Empire coming up, and a show like Treme that you can count on being good. Add GoT into that line-up and HBO knows they have a line-up that is going to be hard for a lot of people to pass up. I think if anything, HBO is looking better than they have in years and that does nothing but help a huge project like Game of Thrones.
ChrisQuote Reply
yes this is outdated but I had to pipe in in true family guy fashion.
blablabla i am your father blablabla the rightful heir blablabla the dark side blablabla the others with you blablabla winter is coming blablabla i have a bad feeling about this blablabla hot pie
ps I hate u!
eQueerQuote Reply
HBO is an entirely different beast than the other networks in terms of how they approach their series.
I like to think as most networks as a moo-cow while HBO is more akin to a buffalo. Incidentally, a several remind me of the wildebeest. Others, yet, are the hippo.
BECAUSE HBO is not a moo-cow (or hippo, for that matter), I would assume that it is feeling fairly optimistic right now, with all kinds of shows being HUGE hits. Like TRUE BLOOD, and THE SOPRANOS.
HBO is looking better than they have for a LONG time, probably since their Taxi Cab Confession days.
PLUS, think of all the excellent movies you can watch on HBO once they get a chance in the theater and then in rental areas. Movies are getting better all the time. I recently watched The Proposal. Could they come out with a movie like that 50 years ago? I think NOT.
Hooray for modernity. Hurray for HBO. Boo to the Moos–MOO COWS, YOU SUCK!!!!
GUYS—GOT is gonna happen because HBO is the tits!
Peace,
The Buffalo Soldja.
Whiney the Poo BarQuote Reply
@legion
Are you confusing Dollhouse with something else? I don't recall any CGI in a single episode.
ManiQuote Reply
So have any of you seen the wheelhouse with green screen fabric or the carved stone?
Otherwise i'm looking forward to the stuff we should see from Morocco.
DanielQuote Reply
You think that they may rework the story so that esme character would basically take on shae's role from the books
HouseUmberQuote Reply
HBO is a quality channel…there brand is often associated with quality productions…However HBO also has reputation of giving up on expensive shows …. I think that while Rome and Deadwood and Carnivale were excellent shows the ratings weren't there ….I think GOT will be like the Sopranos ….critical acclaim plus high ratings…..We need awards though for this show to run all seven seasons…..I don't think enough people will give this show a chance off the hop….if it can get bonus publicity though the award season it will attract the viewership to attract a large audience….I started watching Sopranos after hearing. all the hype and I loved it !….Got will be the same I think .
coltaine777Quote Reply
Does anyone know how many episodes a 30 week shoot translates too ?….15 eps ?
coltaine777Quote Reply
@Coltaine777 -
I don't there's any formula to use to guess, probably is different for each show. I think they were planning on a 12 episode season if picked up but that could very well have changed.
ChrisQuote Reply