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GRRM is at it again!

Filed Under: Casting, Speculation

George R. R. Martin has posted two new updates on his Not A Blog with the Froggy the Gremlin avatar, which can mean only one thing … casting clues!

He doesn’t have a lot to say, but he says it a lot. He’s not a muslim, not a pagan, not a scientologist, but he might be a town in Scotland.

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The old maester has lived many lives, brief but numerous. In his youth he fought in the wars that some say inspired all of this. He has been a king and a god, but he’ll always be daddy to me.

Winter Is Coming: Casting clues, people! Get your thinking caps on, open Google in a new tab and buckle up as the comments should be coming fast and furious. (Hope IntenseDebate can keep up!)

UPDATE: It would appear my guess was correct, as it seems Kristian Nairn has been cast as Hodor. I find it hilariously awesome that one of the audition videos that leaked out turned out to be for the actor that was eventually cast. Based on the video (since removed, unfortunately), I’d say Kristian will make a fine Hodor. Hodor!

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119 Comments

  1. Posted June 22, 2010 at 7:49 pm | Permalink

    I think I got one already!

    Our boy Kristian Nairn is Hodor! http://winter-is-coming.net/2010/05/hodor/

    He doesn’t have a lot to say, but he says it a lot. – Referring to Hodor
    He’s not a muslim, not a pagan, not a scientologist – He's a Christian
    but he might be a town in Scotland. – Nairn is a town in Scotland

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  2. Posted June 22, 2010 at 11:51 pm | Permalink

    My guess is Ian Holm for the old maester. King = King Richard the III in War of the Roses (which some say inspired ASOIAF) God = Waterbaby (2002) (TV) (voice) …. God
    No idea why he'd always be daddy to GRRM…

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  3. claybugg
    Posted June 22, 2010 at 11:52 pm | Permalink

    Peter O'Toole as Pycelle? Total guess. He's played a King. Maybe the war in his youth was Lawrence of Arabia.

    Wishful thinking…

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  4. Lord Ned's Head
    Posted June 22, 2010 at 11:55 pm | Permalink

    Its possible that the War he refers to is WW2 which has many parallels to LOTR which in a snese inspired all of this. Perhaps the acotr is a WW2 vet.?

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  5. Lord Ned's Head
    Posted June 22, 2010 at 11:58 pm | Permalink

    Also the daddy comment. Could it be an actor with the last name of Martin?

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  6. Posted June 22, 2010 at 11:58 pm | Permalink

    A bit fast on that one. Of course it's Ray Dotrice. Played in War of the Roses in his youth as king King Edward IV, was a character with the nickname 'Father' on beauty and the beast, was Zeus on Hercules.

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  7. Posted June 23, 2010 at 12:03 am | Permalink

    Roy Dotrice is my bet. Audiobooks fans rejoice.

    Fought in WW2.
    Was "father" in Beauty in the Beast.
    Has played both a king and a god.

    Not to mention the preexisting Game of Thrones connection.

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  8. oh-bb
    Posted June 22, 2010 at 8:05 pm | Permalink

    Dotrice sounds right. I assume this is for Aemon, not Pycelle.

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  9. oh-bb
    Posted June 22, 2010 at 8:06 pm | Permalink

    I would have gone first to the War of the Roses cast, but since he also fought in the war, seems a lock.

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  10. Posted June 23, 2010 at 12:10 am | Permalink

    The war is war of the roses…the English Civil war is linked to the civil war in westeros.__SO Dotrice definitely fits those!____and WiC, I think Nairn is a good bet too, haven't found a better link than that. Def. Hodor, even if its not him!

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  11. Dennai
    Posted June 23, 2010 at 12:12 am | Permalink

    If Kristian Nair is Hodor, I really, really hope the audition that convinced the casting people was much, much better that the one we saw it or my faith in the showrunners go out through the window.

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  12. TheBevolution
    Posted June 22, 2010 at 8:12 pm | Permalink

    It's got to be Roy Dotrice as Aemon (though I actually first guessed it was Pycelle).

    - "The Old maester has lived many lives, brief but numerous" – He was in the play Brief Lives in 1967 and also in its 2008 revival.

    - "In his youth he fought in the wars that some say inspired all of this" – He was in the miniseries The War of the Roses, the inspiration for the ASOIAF series.

    - "He has been a king and a god" – As noted, he was Zeus in Hercules, and he played the King in Hellboy 2: The Golden Army

    - "But he’ll always be daddy to me" – he was Father in Beauty and the Beast, the show for which GRRM was a writer.

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  13. Posted June 23, 2010 at 12:13 am | Permalink

    why can't these all be as easy as the one for Rory McCann. I would have gotten it first on here but I didn't know how the commenting system worked back then. I like agree with WiC's guess for Kristian Nairn is Hodor, but I'm not so sure about the actor who has been cast for what could be noone other Maester Aemon.

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  14. Posted June 23, 2010 at 12:16 am | Permalink

    OK i posted the guesses on George's not a blog, and gave credit to Bjorn and WiC for these early guesses. Let's see if you're right kids! (ps I'm KelseySnow on livejournal…I know, how original! I'm bastard born, and from Canada…i thought it was apt. lol)

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  15. Posted June 23, 2010 at 12:23 am | Permalink

    Roy Dotrice sounds good to me. There's really no way to tell whether it is for Aemon or Pycelle though.

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  16. Posted June 23, 2010 at 12:23 am | Permalink

    Definitely Dotrice.

    I think Aemon, not Pycelle as well:

    1) Because of his great job playing King Balor in Hellboy II: The Golden Army. You need someone for Aemon who can play a really really old guy.

    2) Aemon has been known as "The Old Maester" in the text:

    "We had best go below, where it's dry,” Sam said to Aemon, but the old maester only smiled, and said, “The rain feels good against my face."

    3) I think people got the idea that he would be Pycelle back when Pycelle was the only Maester role that was for sure going to be cast, by a man that GRRM called a "world class thespian." Obviously, Dotrice is that, but he's not the only one. (Full disclosure, I realize that I'm somewhat blinded by the fact that Jim Broadbent seemed like a good Pycelle candidate to me.)

    4) Pycelle is *an* old Maester, but really, who's THE old Maester?

    As always with the clues, I'm more than willing to admit that I could be wrong.

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  17. Posted June 23, 2010 at 12:24 am | Permalink

    Nice!

    I like that reasoning, Winter. Good one!

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  18. Posted June 23, 2010 at 12:25 am | Permalink

    Anything to keep your Broadbent as Pycelle dream alive. ;)

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  19. Dennai
    Posted June 23, 2010 at 12:26 am | Permalink

    The "wars that some say inspired all of this are the War of the Roses". That's for certain.

    No one with a minimum of critic sense would call WW2 as inspiration for ASOIAF. Inspiration for LOTR sure (as much as Tolkien disliked it when someone pointed it out), nations united against an unstoppable evil force and so, but a civil war between noble families over the throne of a medieval kingdom on an island close by a continent should ring a bell by now.

    Roy Dotrice sounds absolutely right, but being a WW2 vet has nothing to do with it.

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  20. Posted June 23, 2010 at 12:29 am | Permalink

    I really have to admit that I'm tainted goods when one of my pet theories is involved. Still, you have to admit if you had to decide who "the old Maester" describes when comparing Pycelle and Aemon, Aemon would win out.

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  21. Posted June 23, 2010 at 12:29 am | Permalink

    I'm sure he was called in to audition live after they viewed the tape. At that point they would be able to get a much better read on his acting range.

    I'm not concerned. He really has the perfect build for the role and with some good direction will make a great Hodor.

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  22. John
    Posted June 23, 2010 at 12:29 am | Permalink

    Good job, quickly solved to my satisfaction. So we have:

    Roy Dotrice as Aemon (or possibly Pycelle)
    Kristian Nairn as Hodor

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  23. Posted June 22, 2010 at 8:33 pm | Permalink

    Hehe, I'm just messing with you.

    I agree, Aemon seems the more likely choice based on the most obvious translation of "old maester." I hope that is the case and really hope that you are right about Jim Broadbent. He would be a great addition to the cast.

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  24. Posted June 23, 2010 at 12:34 am | Permalink

    Yeah, the clue "He doesn’t have a lot to say, but he says it a lot," is definitely for Hodor, and the other two clues definitely seem to point to Kristian.

    A premature congratulations to him!!!

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  25. Posted June 23, 2010 at 12:36 am | Permalink

    It wouldn't be hard to do a whole bunch of takes for each of his lines, anyway :)

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  26. Posted June 23, 2010 at 12:39 am | Permalink

    Tolkien disliked it because it wasn't true. Amongst many other reasons, mainly because he started writing LotR and came up with most of the story in 1937, long before the war broke out.

    OTOH, saying that World War 1 was inspiration for LotR is much more accurate (the Dead Marshes being directly taken from corpses floating in the marshes of the Somme after the battle).

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  27. Posted June 23, 2010 at 12:41 am | Permalink

    Definitely agree that War of the Roses makes the most sense, however, note the actual words used: "In his youth he fought in the wars that some say inspired all of this" (emphasis mine). "All of this" could refer to fantasy in general as opposed to ASoIaF. War of the Roses still seems a lot more likely, but that does open up the interpretation to where WW2 makes a little sense.

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  28. Posted June 23, 2010 at 12:41 am | Permalink

    I also have to remember that this is based on nothing more than the fact that he's been cast in at least one Nina Gold project per year since 2006 (has worked with her since 1999, a total of nine projects) and has won Oscars and BAFTAs (matching the "world class thespian" comment.)

    There are plenty of other qualified folks, and I'll be happy with whomever they choose. Still, fingers crossed!

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  29. Quiet Wolf
    Posted June 23, 2010 at 12:49 am | Permalink

    I bet on Aemon….to me the Old reference are obvious to me… all the masters in the first books are old but only one can be caled THE old maester

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  30. Lex
    Posted June 23, 2010 at 12:53 am | Permalink

    Clues! Froggy avatar! It's like last year all over again! :)

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  31. Ashli
    Posted June 23, 2010 at 12:54 am | Permalink

    Agreed. I've read on MANY MANY MANY sites that ASOIAF is directly inspired by the War of the Roses.

    "Following the early death of Edward III's heir apparent, the Black Prince, there was a series of wars between the descendants of two of Edward III's younger sons: the Duke of Lancaster and the Duke of York. The wars led to the eventual demise of four generations of dynastic scions[citation needed] from the two rival houses until the final victory of a relatively distant Lancastrian relative, Henry Tudor, Earl of Richmond, who married Elizabeth of York, the daughter of the late Yorkist king Edward IV,"

    Tell me that doesn't sound like some of the plotlines for ASOIAF with different names inserted for Robert, Joffrey, Renly, Stannis, etc.

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  32. Posted June 23, 2010 at 12:54 am | Permalink

    Before I have I chance to post you all seem to have figured it out already. I was hoping Dotrice would be Walder Frey (his audio version of him is greatness) but Maester Aemon or Pycelle is cool too.

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  33. Ashli
    Posted June 23, 2010 at 12:55 am | Permalink

    I KNOW! I knew coming into the post that I could expect the answers to be ready for me :)

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  34. Ashli
    Posted June 23, 2010 at 12:56 am | Permalink

    Upon re-reading that, the "Black Prince" made me chuckle a little, given Joffrey's fate.

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  35. Posted June 23, 2010 at 12:57 am | Permalink

    I knew it was Dotrice way back when GRRM said they had a master thespian for the part (I'm sure I'm not the only one). He'll be awesome, of course.

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  36. Posted June 23, 2010 at 12:58 am | Permalink

    It's always easiest when GRRM gives us a few clues for one role. The hardest was when there would be 4 or 5 roles cast and he would give only one clue for each.

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  37. Posted June 22, 2010 at 9:00 pm | Permalink

    I'm still not sure he's referring to Pycelle here. "Old maester" makes more sense in reference to Aemon. And we know that Pycelle was the one written out of the pilot. Maybe Dotrice was originally set to play Pycelle, but they found someone who they think would make a better Pycelle and Dotrice was cast as Aemon instead?

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  38. Posted June 23, 2010 at 1:03 am | Permalink

    Pycelle is quite an old Maester. I suspect Aemon will be "The Ancient Maester."

    It is possible they changed around which Maester he played, I will give you that and I was wondering that as I read through comments. It wouldn't be hard for him to switch roles, I'm sure, and maybe that's why we didn't hear about who was cast as Pycelle earlier.

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  39. Posted June 23, 2010 at 1:03 am | Permalink

    so…that didn't take long lol

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  40. Posted June 23, 2010 at 1:04 am | Permalink

    I'm going to say, it was the most fun too.

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  41. Posted June 23, 2010 at 1:06 am | Permalink

    That was much more fun. This time the clues were solved before I even knew there were clues to solve.

    Nice job, though, Bjorn and WiC!

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  42. Posted June 22, 2010 at 9:08 pm | Permalink

    You hear that George? We want you to be sadistic!

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  43. Lex
    Posted June 23, 2010 at 1:10 am | Permalink

    So, isn't Roy Dotrice like 90 or something?

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  44. Posted June 23, 2010 at 1:15 am | Permalink

    87, which is why I've never considered him a serious contender for Pycelle, as I've always seen him as Aemon.

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  45. Posted June 23, 2010 at 1:15 am | Permalink

    Roy Doltrice is a great thespian, but my concern is age, does HBO want to role the dice with a 87 year old actor for either Aemon, 4 to 5 year commitment or Pycelle who will be going strong till DWD at least which is another year or two on top of that. I thought they would go with actor's in their 60's no older than 70 for those roles and age up with makeup.

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  46. Posted June 23, 2010 at 1:22 am | Permalink

    I agree Paul and am also on the Broadbent for Pycelle wagon. :P

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  47. Posted June 23, 2010 at 1:22 am | Permalink

    This was a major point of discussion back when some said that Dotrice was the person GRRM was referring to when he was talking about Pycelle. In fact, the idea of Aemon as the most likely role for Dotrice came from those discussions. As far as if HBO wants to roll the dice in casting a 87-year-old actor…it seems like they have.

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  48. Posted June 23, 2010 at 1:30 am | Permalink

    I have to also add that this doesn't have anything to do with personal preference. I'll be perfectly happy if they actually cast Dotrice as Pycelle. I'll just be surprised.

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  49. Posted June 23, 2010 at 1:32 am | Permalink

    Yep, and I bet they sent Mr. Doltrice through the proverbial ringer too, medical exams, doctor reports, family history etc. to get a clean bill of health and ease of mind for the top brass.
    My grandpa lived to 98 and until the last year he was fit as a fiddle, walking normally, sharp tongued, quick witted, mind as alert as ever, I even remember when he was 95 and I was staying over on a visit, he and my grandmother who was 74 were getting it on one night, I still can't get the noises out of my head from that night. So I guess his mind was not the only thing still alert and working properly into his mid 90's.

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  50. DanielG
    Posted June 23, 2010 at 1:39 am | Permalink

    The old maester <Aemon> (Roy Dotrice) has lived many lives <very old> (over 100 shows), brief but numerous (normally 1 episode, or only a few). In his youth he fought in the wars <he fought with and for his brothers> (War of The Roses) that some say inspired all of this. He has been a king <he could have been king> (Edward IV in WOTR & King Balor in HB2) and a god (Zeus), but he'll always be daddy to me. (Jacob 'Father' Wells in Beauty an the Beast)
    Roy Dotrice is Aemon
    awesome I love this guy!

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  51. Posted June 23, 2010 at 1:54 am | Permalink

    TMI Tysnow, T-M-I. ;)

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  52. Posted June 23, 2010 at 2:07 am | Permalink

    Well, he's still working continuously and if he's in great shape…

    Worst case scenario, they CAN recast, though I certainly hope the guy keeps acting past 100. Let's not forget that Dumbledore was recast in the Harry Potter films after #2.

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  53. Posted June 23, 2010 at 2:10 am | Permalink

    No matter what these (possible) tests might have shown, it seems risky. Pretty cool to have someone thats actually not that far away from Aemons age, though.

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  54. Posted June 23, 2010 at 2:11 am | Permalink

    An 87 year old lives on average 4.8 more years, and has a 10% chance of dying within one year.

    This has been your daily freaky morbidity lesson.

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  55. Angelus
    Posted June 23, 2010 at 2:15 am | Permalink

    All this talk about age is a little silly. Is recasting really that horrible a thought? Especially for a minor character?

    Didn't seem to hurt the Harry Potter franchise and that was for one of the main characters.

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  56. Ashli
    Posted June 23, 2010 at 2:17 am | Permalink

    My great-grandma is 94 in September and was still DRIVING up until earlier this year when she had eye surgery. She's still in incredibly good health as well. My husband and I have a running bet that she'll live to be one of the top 20 oldest people in the United States.

    As for actors in their late-80s, I'm sure we've all seen the resurgence of Betty White (whom I ADORE). She's in her late-80s and if you saw her interview on the Daily Show last week, you can see she's still incredibly sharp, and arguably the only good, funny part of the new show that she co-stars in.

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  57. Ashli
    Posted June 23, 2010 at 2:18 am | Permalink

    Forgot to mention that she's 88, to be exact.

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  58. Posted June 23, 2010 at 2:19 am | Permalink

    So I asked Kristian if he had any news about a role possibly, and I got this tweet back.

    Kristiannairn

    @RyanCordes . Hey man. Not sure what I'm supposed to say or when and where ! But if I said "Hodor!?" … It might tell u something ;)

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  59. Ashli
    Posted June 23, 2010 at 2:25 am | Permalink

    Very cool! I think we should avoid putting this on the front page if the post is updated though. I would hate to get him in trouble.

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  60. Posted June 23, 2010 at 2:26 am | Permalink

    Thats a little too much info there Tysnow O.o

    Your grandpa sounds impressive though, lmao

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  61. Posted June 23, 2010 at 2:27 am | Permalink

    Should I take it down and email WIC instead?

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  62. Ashli
    Posted June 23, 2010 at 2:30 am | Permalink

    I would guess no? As long as it's not on the front page I don't think anyone is going to come hunting for it. And it IS on his twitter, I was just thinking about if someone (agent, HBO, etc?) makes him remove it.

    Then again, it's never really been an issue before when we had leaks from actors! Just thinking out loud.

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  63. Posted June 22, 2010 at 10:36 pm | Permalink

    I wouldn't worry about it. HBO already gave GRRM the OK to post clues, so they have to figure we are going to have a pretty good idea who has been cast. I don't think they would take issue with Kristian confirming our suspicions on Twitter.

    If I remember correctly, Bronson Webb had put the news about being cast on his website last summer and that didn't seem to be a problem.

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  64. Ashli
    Posted June 23, 2010 at 2:45 am | Permalink

    Touche. And his clue was VERY obvious if you knew his name in the first place (which we did)

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  65. humusTaster
    Posted June 22, 2010 at 10:57 pm | Permalink

    Yeah like last year only bigger and better!
    and I bet this time it's not only us fans trying to solve GRRM's clues but also mainstream media.

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  66. Posted June 22, 2010 at 11:06 pm | Permalink

    I wonder if we'll hear the answers from GRRM or will have to wait for an 'official' announcement. He told us Finn/Loras but mentioned it was because the info had already leaked out.

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  67. Dennai
    Posted June 23, 2010 at 3:18 am | Permalink

    You're right. I didn't mean to imply that WW2 inspired Tolkien, but to point out why the critics said so. It was just a informative note mentioning that Tolkien didn't like the interpretation, mainly because back in its day many people look at the LOTR as an alegory and Tolkien despised that. I didn't express myself correctly.

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  68. Posted June 23, 2010 at 3:19 am | Permalink

    So funny…I knew there was a reason I keep checking these comments…good on your grandpa though…

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  69. Ser_G
    Posted June 23, 2010 at 3:23 am | Permalink

    Dotrice as Maester Aemon has been my one blindingly obvious casting choice from the start. And it's got to be Aemon, and not Pycelle. Pycelle is not young, of course, but only Aemon among the maesters in GoT is consistently and unfailingly referenced via his age. Pycelle would be "The Grand Maester" or would be referenced via his magnificent beard.

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  70. Dennai
    Posted June 23, 2010 at 3:25 am | Permalink

    And as GRRM said in the post about Finn as Loras, he's not giving clues until the deal is done and the contract signed, so no worries.

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  71. Jaffro
    Posted June 23, 2010 at 12:12 am | Permalink

    I’m gonna go with actor David Warner for Aemon. He was King Henry the VI in War of the Roses mini-series from the 60′s.
    http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0001831/

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  72. Posted June 23, 2010 at 4:42 am | Permalink

    Total nerdgasm! I hope to see more clues, very, very soon. I really missed this.

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  73. Posted June 23, 2010 at 4:57 am | Permalink

    Good morning!
    A nice morning :)
    You did all the job!

    Looking for some more – hey we have more than 30 people to guess.
    Going to the office, bye bye!

    Pycelle = Roy Dotrice!

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  74. Posted June 23, 2010 at 5:05 am | Permalink

    Just a bit before he sent me a tweet saying : Hodor!
    So i wouldn't worry about taking anything down. From what George has said, no clues until things are a done deal, so they WANT us to know about it!

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  75. Posted June 23, 2010 at 6:25 am | Permalink

    Yeah, all work done. But Roy has to be Aemon. Martin refers to Aemon as the old maester all the time. We know Pycelle is old, but then, most maesters are. And we know that Aemon is special, being who he is, they need an actor that can make us believe he can be when the time comes.

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  76. Posted June 23, 2010 at 6:39 am | Permalink

    Well, yes…it could be Aemon too.
    But we got finally our clues! – Happy dance!
    It should more in the following days. Yay!

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  77. Posted June 23, 2010 at 6:46 am | Permalink

    Nice morning indeed :)

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  78. Jenny
    Posted June 23, 2010 at 6:53 am | Permalink

    Of course Roy Dotrice… all the clues fit :D
    Now wouldn't that make us all happy?

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  79. TPFKA Thoros of Myr
    Posted June 23, 2010 at 7:09 am | Permalink

    More froggies! More froggies! We all want MORE FROGGIES, George!
    otherwise http://www.myspace.com/kristiannairn http://www.myspace.com/kristiannairnmusic
    6.10, some size to him..adn they got a DJ for the cast parties..

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  80. TPFKA Thoros of Myr
    Posted June 23, 2010 at 3:14 am | Permalink
  81. TPFKA Thoros of Myr
    Posted June 23, 2010 at 8:14 am | Permalink

    and (hope I am not posting this a second time)
    http://profile.ak.fbcdn.net/v230/1444/21/n5131582

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  82. jeff
    Posted June 23, 2010 at 8:25 am | Permalink

    Actually WW ! inspired LOTR. LOTR was qritten before ww 2

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  83. Posted June 23, 2010 at 8:26 am | Permalink

    Nice! I want to share too – back at the time when the video was still public I captured a couple of stills from it http://westeros.ru/?p=3815 (look at the bottom of the page)

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  84. MrCere
    Posted June 23, 2010 at 8:30 am | Permalink

    Congrats! Well done. Obviously that is it.

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  85. Posted June 23, 2010 at 12:21 pm | Permalink

    At least with Dotrice, we don't have to wonder whether he's read the books or not.

    Also, I wonder if this is the first time in history the narrator of an audiobook was later cast in the film/TV adaption of said book?

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  86. Simone ITA
    Posted June 23, 2010 at 12:23 pm | Permalink

    Roy Doltrice fits well but too old for HBO to cast him for a 4-6 years role imho.

    "… has lived many lives, brief but numerous." really seems "Quantum leap" to me.

    I also think there's only one "old" measter.

    So I say: Aemon.

    And i guess: Dean Stockwell

    Alternative hardly believable guess: Scott Bakula

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  87. Posted June 23, 2010 at 12:25 pm | Permalink

    Good one! :D

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  88. Posted June 23, 2010 at 12:26 pm | Permalink

    I was thinking that Pycelle, who appears in a lot of scenes even when he doesn't do much, has a much heavier workload than Aemon, who appears infrequently here and there (and won't appear in Season 2 at all), so Aemon would be the much less taxing role for Dotrice.

    However, Roy Dotrice is pretty spry and hard-working for his age (87). He still does theatre roles that go on for weeks at a time that are easily more physically demanding than anything he'd have to do for THRONES, even as Pycelle.

    Dean Stockwell, aged up, would make an excellent Walder Frey, now I think of it :-)

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  89. PKV
    Posted June 23, 2010 at 12:53 pm | Permalink

    "… has lived many lives, brief but numerous."

    Max Von Sydow? Many movies, many character deaths

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  90. Posted June 23, 2010 at 1:01 pm | Permalink

    Why have you deleted my long post, you irritating comment system????

    Anyway, summation: the Black Prince is Rhaegar, to Aerys' Richard II. Later on, the borrowings get mixed together (eg Richard III is both Tyrion and Stannis, Robert is Edward IV, Henry V, Henry VI, and maybe Henry IV; Henry IV is also John Arryn; Richard of York is Ned, Jon, and a tiny bit of Robb; Cersei is Margaret of Anjou, but also Elizabeth Woodville, with a bit of Sommerset thrown in, and so on), but at that stage, the parallels are intensely clear, except that they've become father and son rather than brothers.

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  91. jojoziggy
    Posted June 23, 2010 at 1:17 pm | Permalink

    Yayyyy super super excited if Roy Dotrice is Maester Aemon. That is seriously my dream cast for this role. BAD ASS!

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  92. Posted June 23, 2010 at 1:32 pm | Permalink

    This reminds me so much of childhood Christmases. Where you have to go through several presents that you've already seen in badly disguised shopping bags or being wrapped up and all you really want to do is get to the mysterious boxes at the back of the tree that you honestly don't have a clue about. But no, you have to open those ones later. Always later :-(

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  93. Posted June 23, 2010 at 1:39 pm | Permalink

    Haha! So true. I just know that one of those mystery boxes has Littlefinger in it and I really, really want to open it.

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  94. Nemo
    Posted June 23, 2010 at 1:54 pm | Permalink

    I'm also waiting very impatiently to find out who's our LF. He's one of my favourite characters

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  95. Tysnow
    Posted June 23, 2010 at 11:07 am | Permalink

    I was also doing more research and Max Von Sydow, David Warner, Ian Holm along with Roy Doltrice match the clues. I am still about to throw two more names in there if I can verify one more part for each. So PKV gets MVS and Jaffro with DW.

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  96. Lex
    Posted June 23, 2010 at 3:27 pm | Permalink

    Ian Holm would be awesome!

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  97. Posted June 23, 2010 at 3:31 pm | Permalink

    Anthony Hopkins definitely matches up, even Ron Perlman matches (played a God, Father Drake, Kings and was In Name of the Rose), working on Victor Garber atm.

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  98. Barry Keegan
    Posted June 23, 2010 at 4:27 pm | Permalink

    I'll throw a guess into the ring. "ray winstone"

    GRRM says he will always be the daddy to me. If anyones ever seen the 1979 film Scum then you will remember the line that has stuck with ray winstone since he said it. "I'm the daddy now"

    Type "Scum: I'm the Daddy Now" into youtube and you will see the famous line. I think Winstone played Henry VIII also so that covers the king role. Not too sure about a god though so I could be wrong!

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  99. Posted June 23, 2010 at 4:29 pm | Permalink

    When I heard "Daddy" I immediately thought of Daddy Warbucks and began to wonder if they hadn't secured Albert Finney as Pycelle! However, I don't think he's played a god, at least not on film, and I don't know how he'd fit the "many lives, brief but numerous."

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  100. Simone ITA
    Posted June 23, 2010 at 4:47 pm | Permalink

    Don't take me wrong, it's not that I'm saying Dotrice couldn't do it.

    It'd be simply strange to me that HBO, an international gigantic business-oriented company, would like to take that kind of risk.

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  101. Kyle
    Posted June 23, 2010 at 4:52 pm | Permalink

    I believe I remember hearing Tolkein saying that if he had intended the story as an allegory of WW2, Gandalf or Aragorn would have taken the ring and used it to destroy Sauron, destroying themselves in the process. He was not a fan of the way wars are fought.

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  102. Kyle
    Posted June 23, 2010 at 4:59 pm | Permalink

    I think they will look for somebody younger to play Pycelle, personally. I think it will involve more work if the series continues, and Pycelle is supposed to be younger than Aemon. If they cast an 87-year-old actor as Pycelle, they will have a hard time finding someone convincingly more ancient than him for Aemon. Just my thoughts.

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  103. Posted June 23, 2010 at 5:02 pm | Permalink

    TMI for sure and NEF (not easily forgotten, either), especially if you had been there.

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  104. Posted June 23, 2010 at 5:11 pm | Permalink

    That was a big part of my thought process on it as well. The reason in my mind that many people are stuck on Dotrice = Pycelle is because GRRM said that they had lined up "a world class thespian" for the role that was cut. In their minds, who else, but his old friend and voice of the books could fit that description? To me, it has a bit to do with the tunnel-vision we sometimes get when trying to cast things. Pycelle was the only role on the table at the time, and with a bit of pushing Dotrice fits. I still have to admit that I have my own prejudices, because if you put the roles of Pycelle and Aemon side-by-side I can't see how he'd be picked for Pycelle over Aemon.

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  105. The_Rabbit01
    Posted June 23, 2010 at 1:20 pm | Permalink

    And there is another point (it came to my mind today).
    We all presumed that scene that was cut was the scene with Pycelle, Cersei and Jon Arryn, but if that was a scene where an old Measter sent a raven from the Castle Black, it would had worked for Dotrice as Aemon.
    Nobody thought of such a possibility, as far as I remember.

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  106. Jack B. Quick
    Posted June 23, 2010 at 3:16 pm | Permalink

    @Winter is Coming: Ian Holm was Frodo in the BBC audio plays of LotR, that probably counts :-)

    @Jeff: No, it wasn’t. You’re thinking of The Hobbit. LotR was mainly written between 1937 and 1949, and then re-edited and finally published in 1954-55. That’s the whole point of the predominant argument that they parallel the war, they were mainly written during it. Though it is true that Tolkien himself adamantly denied it.

    I can’t believe that so many counter-suggest with Bjørn Sørlien (awesome name btw, my name’s Bjørn too!)’s incredible deductions, they make crystal-clear sense! Kudos, fella.

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  107. paulgude
    Posted June 23, 2010 at 3:44 pm | Permalink

    Wow! I was totally wrong. I bow to all the Pycelle guessers and hereby repeat: I was wrong wrong wrong and you were all completely right.

    Totally happy with the news.

    Also, I was wrong.

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  108. paulgude
    Posted June 23, 2010 at 4:16 pm | Permalink

    Robert Duvall? He was in “To Kill a Mocking Bird.”

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  109. Nemo
    Posted June 23, 2010 at 8:25 pm | Permalink

    What role did you have in mind for him? Tywin?

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  110. paulgude
    Posted June 23, 2010 at 4:43 pm | Permalink

    Hell, I’d take Robert Duvall as anyone. Tywin, the Old Bear, Aemon, whomever. That was just me brainstorming Harper Lee. If they actually GOT him? Anything.

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  111. Posted June 23, 2010 at 8:44 pm | Permalink

    I guess that puts an end to your Jim Broadbent wish….
    He would have been a good choice for sure.
    But you can't go wrong with Roy Dotrice :)

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  112. Nemo
    Posted June 23, 2010 at 8:56 pm | Permalink

    He's an American though, but I guess that D & D could find it acceptable to slip from their policy in his case :P

    Perhaps he's too old for Tywin, though, and I want to see Christopher Lee as Aemon, so the Old Bear is left for Duvall.

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  113. Posted June 23, 2010 at 9:00 pm | Permalink

    I completely agree. Roy Dotrice will be great.

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  114. Posted June 23, 2010 at 9:05 pm | Permalink

    Plus, the chances that this is the real solution to the clue are very slim. It's just the first thing that popped into my head.

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  115. Nemo
    Posted June 23, 2010 at 9:11 pm | Permalink

    Yeah, well, the first thing that popped into my mind was mockingbird ~ Littlefinger, but I really don't know which one is a more believable scenario. I'm happy with either of them, and it also could be something else althogether

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  116. Posted June 23, 2010 at 9:31 pm | Permalink

    The first thing popped in my mind was Jack Nicholson, and I immediately started to laugh at my very own crazy idea – I just was not able to see the obvious answer: Littlefinger.

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  117. Nemo
    Posted June 23, 2010 at 9:35 pm | Permalink

    Jack Nicholson? Where on earth did that come from? :)

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  118. Posted June 23, 2010 at 9:43 pm | Permalink

    That came directly from my crazy head, for a second I just mixed up One Flew Over the Cuckoo's Nest and To kill a mockinbird – and while I was laughing at mine "expertise" you came with the probably the most likely answer.

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  119. Nemo
    Posted June 23, 2010 at 9:56 pm | Permalink

    Ah, okay, that kind of mixing ups happen all the time for all of us, I'm sure, and they're usually pretty funny.

    For a moment I though you were picturing someone as Jack Nicholson and couldn't figure out whom

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