New clues from GRRM

Gary Oliver for Gendry thanks to input from others in the last topic.

OK, I can’t find any more info on Gary age etc just that he was in Merlin, doctors and Casualty. Joe looks good.

OK…self in 1973….probably not Gary Oliver then! ;)

MikeS,

Just run through the Westeros roll and I can’t see a bloody bowman, or even a bowman. A few bows, but nothing from book 1.

Were there any bowmen on the way to the Eyrie?

Roose Bolton’s penchant for flaying people might account for the “bloody” part, plus the first part of his last name is a term for crossbow projectile.

I think Philip Martin Brown is playing Lord Roose Bolton!

Could the “bloody” bowman refer to one of Drogo’s Bloodriders? I forget which one was “The Bow.”

The only bowman I can think of is Anguy who wins the archery competition. He later joins the brotherhood without banners.

Nemo,

It’s Quoro.

Josh Parker: Ev,
You meant Qotho.    

Yep I meant Qotho ^^

so was the Bowman in Spooks, Casualty and Waterloo Road?

That seems to be some kind of reference to the rock band, Gerry and the Pacemakers .

T. R.,

GRRM did say that the person was older than we might have thought. Joe Dempsie seems like a lock for this, he fits the clues perfectly.

Looking at some pics online, he looks quite young in a lot of them, but yeah, no shipping for him and Arya unless they recast her in a few years, after she leaves Westeros for training.

Are we sure it’s only for two roles? “Another friend of our kraken’s sister” seems like description of a third role or maybe I just don’t get this part. (Since the only Greyjoy in this season is Theon)

Arctor,

It’s a clue for Dempsie to be Gendry. Dempsie played in one episode of “Lily Allen and Friends” so he’s a friend of “Theon”‘s sister.

I’ll take the Paul Gude approach, throw them in until something sticks ;)

Raza Jaffrey for Qotho, although I can’t find his Waterloo other than an appearance in Sharpe ;)

Lex,

the wizard could also be a reference to Merlin.

SteveThePirate2, Quotho might be a bowman, but etnics wise I think this won’t be a match. Or at least, not with any of the actors posted so far.

I still think Philip Martin Brown is the best match so far for the bowman actor, though I haven’t found any show that could account for the apparitions he played in.

I just saw that Joseph Dempsie has been on the Lily Allen show, in Dr. Who, and in Merlin. Also just saw that someone mentioned him above.

Also a football fan. Joseph Dempsie sounds like a good bet to me, although I have no idea what the role is.

Jan Oda,

Sleepy Hollow. I’d say there were some…apparitions in that.

Ninepenny,

Aother website says that Jhogo is the Whip?I don’t have my books here so I can’t check a hard copy.

Haggo offers the whip during the wedding. But Jhogo also fight with a whip. So both are possible. I think Jhogo is more probable because of his action with the poison-merchant that try to kill Dany. Drogo’s bloodrider wille more likely be non-speaking parts.

“Jhogo, to you I give the silver-handled whip that was my bride gift, and name you ko, and ask your oath, that you will live and die as blood of my blood, riding at my side to keep me safe from harm.” Jhogo took the whip from her hands, but his face was confused.”

I think he’s the most likely one, for all the reasons people have listed.

By the way, after drogo’s death and his bloodrider’s treason, after Dany named as a Ko and her bloodrider, she offers him the whip that Haggo offered to her & Drogo at the wedding. So really Jhogo.

Lex,

I think it refers to Gendry’s bull helm.

Lex,

Horny headed = Baratheon stag
Hammerhand= blacksmith
= Gendry

Isn’t that what we think?

Ingemar Svensson: Lex,
Horny headed = Baratheon stag
Hammerhand= blacksmith
= Gendry
Isn’t that what we think?    

Ah… seems so obvious now. I feel dumb!

Well, Joseph Dempsie still looks like he fits the part, but I’m not sure about the Gerry/pacemaker/ferry part. But I’m impressed with myself for finding this guy on my own, even though it turns out I wasn’t first. :)

Jan Oda: I found Shane Zaza, who apparantly played in Casualty, Spooks and Waterloo Road.
Image suggest age more closer to Jhogho than Haggo.    

Looks like it fits most/all of the clues!

Jan Oda,

I think you got it.

Ev: It’s a reference to Gendry’s Helm and smith condition.  Quote  Reply

Agree about the clues, but not exactly an intimidating bloodrider. But as they say, “Beggar Kings (and Queens) can’t be choosers.”

Jan Oda: I found Shane Zaza, who apparantly played in Casualty, Spooks and Waterloo Road.Image suggest age more closer to Jhogho than Haggo.  Quote  Reply

Wow, sorry about the message above, I was trying to quote Jan Oda’s post about Shane Zaza.

Lex: Okay, I’m now sure it’s Joseph Dempsie for Gendry.Might have ridden the ferry with Gerry:Gerry and the Pacemakers are from Liverpool, as is Dempsie.And “older than you might have thought” = they aged him up.    

There is also the fact that Dempsie played in “The Friday Night Project” with Gerry Halliwel. double clue \o/

Ev:
There is also the fact that Dempsie played in “The Friday Night Project” with Gerry Halliwel. double clue \o/    

Perhaps, but the line about needing a “pacemaker” clearly refers to Gerry and the Pacemakers (IMO, at least).

George,

Well, Gared’s been cast already, so it’s not him.

There’s been no mention of Donal Noye even being in this season. He’d be an easy character to drop until the following season, and have some other Brother in Black be the one to humble Jon. Aemon, Benjen, the Old Bear himself, etc.

Too bad it is jhogo and the the bloodylash isn’t Roose Bolton- that would make things much more interesting.

Do we have any idea about whether Rhakharo will be cast in this season or if he’s in danger of being cut fused or moved? I think he needs to be cast by someone good since he’s such a badass in the A Game of Thrones CCG.

Winter Is Coming,

I think Dempsie was first mentioned on the Mountain that Rides learns to ride thread,when this thread hadn’t aired yet.

OzXaro: OzXaro
Posted August 10, 2010 at 7:06 pm | Permalink

Pretty sure the Gendry casting is this guy:

http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joe_Dempsie

Appeared on Lily Allen and friends, from Liverpool, big football fan.

I am going to throw out Elyes Gable as a potential for the first clue.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Elyes_Gabel

He had prominant roles in both Waterloo Road and Casulty, as well as appearing in a show called ‘Dead Set’ about zombies that take over the world and the only people safe are locked in the Big Brother house.

And is actually in a show called Apparitions with Martin Shaw.

It’s so him. Not sure on the character, but he’s so the actor cast.

I think so……..we’ll soon see though I’m sure.

If it is confirmed though, it’s good to be back on form!

3 I think, this would be number 4

Ingemar Svensson: Lex,
Horny headed = Baratheon stag
Hammerhand= blacksmith
= Gendry
Isn’t that what we think?    

I would say that ‘horny-headed’ seems primarily a reference to his nickname “The Bull.” The stag makes it a certainty though!

Dunno who the last clue applies to, but Shane Zaza was in The Da Vinci Code with Ian McKellen (Gandalf) – and in Doctors, obviously, which has probably already been figured out. Elyes Gabel does seem likely, though.

Oh, I just saw those clues probably apply to Dempsie. Funny, though.

GaR: Zack,
Bulls have horns, stags have antlers.And if Gendry Waters can be called a Baratheon, then surely Donal Noye, the hammerhand whose one hand crafted King Robert’s hammer and was sworn to the house for decades (unlike our young bastard Kingslander) can be as well?    

Ya, I didn’t remember his bull helmet but that makes more sense. Also in my defence, in swedish both horns and antlers are called “horn”.

Ingemar Svensson,

Languages are weird.

Gendry’s bull mantle, in words…

“This is Gendry. Strong for his age, and he works hard. Show the Hand that helmet you made, lad.” Almost shyly, the boy led them to his bench, and a steel helm shaped like a bull’s head, with two great curving horns.

Ned turned the helm over in his hands. It was raw steel, unpolished but expertly shaped. “This is fine work. I would be pleased if you would let me buy it.”

The boy snatched it out of his hands. “It’s not for sale.”

Tobho Mott looked horror-struck. “Boy, this is the King’s Hand. If his lordship wants this helm, make him a gift of it. He honors you by asking.”

“I made it for me,” the boy said stubbornly.

…ryan

More Jhogo whippage…

(during the wineseller’s attempt to poison Dany)

Jhogo reached for the whip coiled at his belt, but Dany stopped him with a light touch on the arm. “Do as Ser Jorah says,” she said. People were stopping to watch.

(later in that scene)

Dany heard the snap of Jhogo’s whip, saw the leather lick out and coil around the wineseller’s leg. The man sprawled face first in the dirt.

(a subtle description of Jhogo)

Jhogo edged back, his hand on his arakh. He was a youth of sixteen years, whip-thin, fearless, quick to laugh, with the faint shadow of his first mustachio on his upper lip.

(before Haggo gets his come uppance)

Jhogo’s whip cracked, loud as thunder, the lash coiling around Haggo’s throat. A yank, and the bloodrider stumbled backward, losing his feet and his sword.

(As described in the ACoK index)

-JHOGO, ko and bloodrider, the whip

(So “bloody whip” is a pun. Bloody = bloodrider, Lash = whip. Done and done.)

…ryan

Gabel and Dempsie Confirmed!

Post to come.