Two more sets of clues from GRRM

Sounds like the first two actors play un-named characters in the book. The second two guys sound like Shagga (loves goats) and the Greatjon (likes his meat tough).

Well… the second guy’s first name is Alexander.

Wow. These are tought.

Agree on Shagga and Greatjon for the two named guys.

The first named guy (Shagga) is Welsh, since “rarebit” is a Welsh variation on the word (and dish) “rabbit.”

is John Rhys-Davies even remotely possible? Welsh name, raised in Wales, is a very large man who was very little in the LOTR movies…

Kevin McKidd (who played Poseidon in Percy Jackson & the Olympians) was in a film called Topsy-Turvy.

Here’s a cast list – maybe someone can figure out who the Greatjon is?

I tried going through the cast list of “Topsy Turvy” a few minutes ago, and my god, it’s huge.

Hello, this is my first post :)
But I have a guess for guy number 2 from the first set of clues.
Simon Lowe: http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0523047/
He’s not simple (Simon), not high (Lowe), been to the beach (was in something called beach boys), has crossed the Mersey (was in the TV show Mersey beat), has seen his share of doctors (has been in many episodes of doctors), and once went down in flames, oh the humanity (reference to the hindenburg, and he’s been in a TV show of the same name).
The clues seem to fit anyway, but no idea who he’ll be playing!

Crazy Diamond,

Simon Lowe’s resume is very fitting, but he’s only 5’7″. Seems odd that Shagga or Greatjon would be so small, if those are the correct roles.

Add a link:
This guy Roddy Lalor for the first clue

SteveThePirate2,

I think Crazy diamond is talking about the first set of clues, the one about the two unnamed characters…. and I find his line of thinking pretty strong by the way.

So we only have the Greatjon left to find.

Never conquered India- Alexander?

Veelo told us on the previous thread that the next bit refers to Roger Maris and Mickey Mantle- I know nothing about the sport in question and will take his/her word for it. But a quick search reveals there was a film about them- http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0250934/fullcredits#cast so maybe someone in a different role in that?

Holds a record for biggest little guy

‘The king of the deep knocked the second guy topsy turvey’- one of the various versions of the Poseidon Adventure?

It must be possible from those…..

I think you’re right, Ivor, but the guy’s name is Lalor Roddy.

http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0734498/

He was in The Escapist, in an Irish film called “The Guards”, another called “The Summer of the Flying Saucer” etc.

No clue who he’s playing though.

This guy looks nothing like the Greatjon, but Ron Cook was in Topsy Turvy with Kevin McKidd (Poseidon) and he has played Napoleon twice (the biggest little guy). I can’t link that to the Alexander or the Maris/Mantle clues, though.

Jan Fennick,

Whoops! Has to be him though – also in a tv show called murphy’s law (anything that can go wrong will go wrong

Quiet Wolf,

Yep, that’s what I meant.
It seems like 4 roles have been cast; the first set of 2 clues refers to nameless characters (one of which being my guess of Simon Lowe), the second set of 2 clues refers to Shagga and Greatjon.
Or that’s how I took it anyway, I could be wrong!

Kelsey Catherine Schmitz,

Nope he is introduced at the beginning of ACoK.

Hey WiC regulars, I check here a lot and am a big fan of ASoIaF, but I don’t know much about actors, so I don’t usually contribute much to these discussions.

However, I am a big USA sports fan, so in case it’s not obvious to everyone, I thought I’d just make something about GRRM’s second set of clues a bit clearer. The quote:

“The guy who had more dingers than anyone but the guys who liked the juice, well, the second guy isn’t that guy, or even the guy who chased that guy all summer.”

This is referring to baseball, and specifically, “The guy who had more dingers than anyone but the guys who liked the juice” is referring to the player in Major League baseball history with the most home runs (“dingers” is slang for a home run in baseball), not including the recent players who broke the records but used steroids (“the juice”).

The historical person George is referring to is either Roger Maris (who broke the single season home run record) or Hank Aaron (who broke the career home run record). I *think* GRRM is referring to Roger Maris, based on the second part:

“…well, the second guy isn’t that guy, or even the guy who chased that guy all summer.”

the ‘guy who chased that guy [Roger Maris] all summer’ likely refers to the great Mickey Mantle, the teammate of Maris who was competing with him to break the single season home run record (this was in 1961), which was, conincidentally exactly 61 homers.

Anyway to summarize, in terms of figuring out the clues, I would suggest looking for people who played or were in a movie / show about the 1961 home run chase, between Roger Maris and Mickey Mantle. The most likely candidate was a great TV movie directed by Billy Crystal called, appropriately, “61*”

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0250934/

However, it is also possible that GRRM is talking about someone to do with Hank Aaron, so look into this maybe too. Also, Babe Ruth held BOTH records, before Maris and Aaron eventually broke them, so potentially look for actors in movies with Babe Ruth too. But I think Maris and Mantle and 61* are the best bets.

I hope this helps!

FilliamHMuffman,

Yeah, that was my guess too.

I think the second man “up to no good” may be Mark McGann, as he has been in a movie about the Hindenburg (going down in flames, oh the humanity) and is originally from Liverpool which is in the county of Merseyside, which takes its name from the river Mersey.

OK I think I’ve got one: Clive Mantle as the Greatjon.

Not the guy who had more dingers (Maris), or even the one who chased him all summer – Mantle.
Played James Martin in the 2005 Poseidon Adventure
Is the tallest actor (6’5″) to have played Little John in the 84-86 “Robin Hood” TV series.

Admittedly I’m not sure about the India clue…

Maxwell James,

Robert Clive a.k.a Clive of India

ok nevermind, I Elios over on Not a blog has guessed Catspaw and Wine merchant as the no names…makes more sense.

Maxwell James,

There is Robert Clive, the first Baron Clive, known as Clive of India. Supposed to be one of the key figures in the creation of British India.
Also Clive Mantle narrated the audiobook “Grk Smells a Rat” which is set in India, but I think the first reference is more likely.
I think it is Clive Mantle for Greatjon. Great work

I’m gonna say that Lalor Roddy is playing the catspaw, and Simon Lowe is playing the wine merchant.

Not that I’m actually the one that guessed the actors (I’m no good at that) but I am merely applying them to the two men they’ll likely play.

AS for the roles themselves, I like our shagga and Greatjon, but please give Clive Mantle a bushy beard right now! :-)

Sorry, I’m still getting the hang of posting links on here.

Clive Mantle

Lex,

Not if you copy paste :D

Testing…

Clive Mantle

Good morning :)
I think I am gonna need another coffee for this…

See ya later.

@HmR

Please, can you update the main post with the best guesses so far, I must admit, I am little lost .

Excellent, Clive Mantle looks perfect for the Greatjon!

I think we’ve got them all, well done everyone :)

Kristin Lindsley,

I loved Robin of Sherwood too and agree Clive will be a great Greatjon ;)

Vaess,

There is Robert Clive, the first Baron Clive, known as Clive of India. Supposed to be one of the key figures in the creation of British India.

Excellent!