HBO airs third Game of Thrones trailer
By Winter Is Coming on in Media, News.

Tonight, prior to Boardwalk Empire, HBO aired the newest teaser trailer for Game of Thrones. This is the third, and longest, trailer released so far. And it’s also the awesomest!

Winter Is Coming: I am speechless. For now. Will be back with more thoughts soon…

Ok, my thoughts. This was great. Great to hear all this dialogue, it really makes it seem even more real than before. Old Nan’s monologue is perfect. And the exchange between Ned and Bran was awesome to hear. Isaac is going to be great as Bran. Loved seeing Tyrion slap Joff. And the fight between the Cleganes is downright epic. And Nikolaj looks so smug as Jaime, I love it.

UPDATE: Here is the link to the YouTube version of the trailer, for those who can’t get the HBO player to work. Also Ran has some screen caps from the trailer, accompanied by some interesting commentary, over at Westeros.


389 Comments

  1. Grinbomb
    Posted November 28, 2010 at 9:10 pm | Permalink

    Hell yes!!! looks so cool. This should get some HBO viewers interested in GOT

  2. Ryan Cordes
    Posted November 28, 2010 at 9:10 pm | Permalink

    That just officially hooked one of my roommates who’s heard nonstop about this series(without spoilers of course) and didn’t know what to expect.

    That trailer just blew away my expectations and my mind.

  3. binzer
    Posted November 28, 2010 at 9:11 pm | Permalink
  4. Ana Carolina S.
    Posted November 28, 2010 at 9:11 pm | Permalink

    Awesome. I’m speechless.

    I want a time-machine!!!!

  5. Demokritos
    Posted November 28, 2010 at 9:12 pm | Permalink

    Aside from being completely thrilled, I noticed Theon’s hair is black now. Wonder what else will be different in post. Also noticed Dany’s eyes remain non-purple, though. Hard to tell about Tyrion’s eyes due to low light.

  6. Sal
    Posted November 28, 2010 at 9:13 pm | Permalink

    OMG WANT NOW.

    *goes to watch it a 20th time*

  7. Xzibit
    Posted November 28, 2010 at 9:13 pm | Permalink

    Cool stuff. Not what I expected though, seeing as they called it “an exclusive behind-the-scenes look at ‘Game of Thrones’” on makinggameofthrones.com

  8. Jose
    Posted November 28, 2010 at 9:13 pm | Permalink

    Terrific!

    Only complaint I have is that sometimes the dialogue is hard to make out, Bean and Headey seem to almost mumble at times.

  9. Jan Oda
    Posted November 28, 2010 at 9:14 pm | Permalink

    Awesome trailer. Haven’t processed everything yet. The sound that Ice makes when Neds hit Will with is freaky and chilling. Bran looks perfect. Joffrey getting slapped is an awesome flash.

    More rewatching needed!

  10. Baboocole
    Posted November 28, 2010 at 9:14 pm | Permalink

    I went through the preview frame by frame…the only scene where I wasn’t quite sure what I was seeing was the one with the figures walking through the dark forest holding torches. Could anyone else tell what scene that might be? I thought maybe it was the prologue.

    Squeeeee!!!!

  11. Kana
    Posted November 28, 2010 at 9:15 pm | Permalink

    In the quick shot of the Cleganes fighting, you can see his horse is decapitated on the top left of the frame.

  12. binzer
    Posted November 28, 2010 at 9:16 pm | Permalink
  13. Winter Is Coming
    Posted November 28, 2010 at 9:17 pm | Permalink

    “My sweet summer child, what do you know about fear? Fear is for the long night. When the snows fall a hundred feet deep. Fear is for the winter.”

    Old Nan sounds amazing.

  14. AbstractPlain
    Posted November 28, 2010 at 9:17 pm | Permalink

    Baboocole,

    The Whispering Woods was the first thing that came to my mind when I saw that, what a perfect trailer, really surpassed my expectations, and that shot of jaime!

  15. Fire And Blood
    Posted November 28, 2010 at 9:17 pm | Permalink

    I think for now I am speechless too. Other than to say:

    Old Nan!

    Old… m*****f***ing… Nan!

  16. Felix Zschieschow
    Posted November 28, 2010 at 9:18 pm | Permalink

    Right! WE NEED SCREEN CAPS! MANY!!!!

  17. piranescu
    Posted November 28, 2010 at 9:20 pm | Permalink

    Old Nan! Loving this!

    But what is going on in that shot between Daenerys and Catelyn? Is that Jaime? I can’t remember the proper scene. Help anyone?

  18. Ollie
    Posted November 28, 2010 at 9:22 pm | Permalink

    binzer,

    Thank you for the youtube link! Buffering issues make me miss about half – if not more – of what goes on.

    Looks great!!!!!

  19. burth
    Posted November 28, 2010 at 9:22 pm | Permalink

    totally worth staying up till 3 am for :) (well almost 3:30 now. you can’t just watch it once)

  20. Avalanche3319
    Posted November 28, 2010 at 9:22 pm | Permalink

    Wow, just Wow! Loved almost everything I saw. One minor complaint, I really wish the Jaime/Ned confrontation would have occured at night, preferably a rainy night. Looks like it’s in the middle of the day. Other then that everything looks great. Loved seeing Tyrion slap Joff!

  21. Marisa
    Posted November 28, 2010 at 9:23 pm | Permalink

    Omg it’s pure awesomeness! Isaac is such a lovely child, I want my sons to look like him someday :D

  22. Brad
    Posted November 28, 2010 at 9:25 pm | Permalink

    WOW!! Joffrey getting slapped.. decapitated horse.. Hound versus Mountain.. and they are doing an amazing job of sketching Ned’s character with the chosen dialogue snippets.

    And now a long wait till next week! And a long wait till spring 2011!

  23. Ingemar Svensson
    Posted November 28, 2010 at 9:26 pm | Permalink

    So many impressions. The look on Joffreys face is perfect. If anyone was into professional wrestling in the early 90s then Joffreys expression reminded me of a young Lord Steven Regal from WCW circa 1993 which is spot on for Joff.

    Nice scene outside Chattayas though I somehow imagined the Kings Landing streets to be a little more narrow and crowded.

  24. John Engedal
    Posted November 28, 2010 at 9:30 pm | Permalink

    Holy f word, is it my birthday? Why yes it is actually, thank you HBO for that gift!

    Im going to go ahead and use the word awesome!

  25. Brandon Stark
    Posted November 28, 2010 at 9:31 pm | Permalink

    Beautiful!

    Any chance the the Jaime scene in Kingslanding just needs to be touched in post-production? It looked too bright, clean, and cheery for me.

  26. Ser Hedgeknight
    Posted November 28, 2010 at 9:31 pm | Permalink

    LOVE IT!!!!

    Sets the mood. A touch of darkness, foreboding, action, sex… Looks really gritty and real to me, something I think it will need to attract those who think it is just another “fantasy” story.

    What was it they said… “Middle Earth meets the Sopranos…”?

    Looks so right to me so far.

  27. obsidian
    Posted November 28, 2010 at 9:31 pm | Permalink

    Oh My !

  28. Team Tyrion
    Posted November 28, 2010 at 9:39 pm | Permalink

    John Engedal,

    Its my birthday too! Possibly the best birthday gift a gal could ask for :) And I also used the unusual amount of attention I was receiving on Facebook to plug the show. Now my whole friend list shall know the amazingness that is Game of Thrones.

  29. Phoenix_torn
    Posted November 28, 2010 at 9:39 pm | Permalink

    I am so glad my internet came back!

  30. coltaine777
    Posted November 28, 2010 at 9:42 pm | Permalink

    Awesome….just amazing…

  31. sjwenings
    Posted November 28, 2010 at 9:42 pm | Permalink

    Wow!!

    Some quick thoughts:

    Loved Isaacs delivery here. He says it with both childlike innocence and the coldness of a boy that grows up in a hard, ruthless world.

    Drogo looks scary!

    Old Nans speech was chilling! Just an awesome delivery there!

    NCW draws that sword with a sexy shade of arrogance. Just a perfect Jaime!

  32. Ingemar Svensson
    Posted November 28, 2010 at 9:48 pm | Permalink

    Nice to see that Will had some proper black clothes. Most of the images from Castle Black shows dirty greyish clothes but I guess that’s mostly for fight training.

  33. Jose
    Posted November 28, 2010 at 9:49 pm | Permalink

    Agree about the Kings Landing scene with Ned/Jaime, not gritty enough, too clean and sunny.

  34. Phantomwriter05
    Posted November 28, 2010 at 9:50 pm | Permalink

    This was amazing!!

    (As will the next 1,000 viewings)

    I think we got to see a peice of the Whispering woods which is awesome!

    and I will say that though Lena only has a second or two on screen the chemistry between her and Sean Bean is AMAZING even in those few seconds!

    Honestly there is diffently something there that wasn’t in the book and I don’t know how to describe it!

    Someone help me out …

  35. Nicole
    Posted November 28, 2010 at 9:51 pm | Permalink

    Damn, this is good stuff. I am really pleased. Bran is spot on. That scene with Dany and her handmaid was .02 seconds of hottness, which will only be amplified by about a million. Our first shot of Joff and he gets slapped :-) Old Nan voiceover was brilliant. And I’m fairly sure we get a close up of Ned’s face before. . .

    Fear is for the winter and WINTER IS COMING bahahaha

    Cheers! Till next Sunday!

  36. Phoenix_torn
    Posted November 28, 2010 at 9:54 pm | Permalink

    …and my brother is laughing at me.
    Quote “I’m not excited about anything as much as you are about this show…”

  37. Camarlengo
    Posted November 28, 2010 at 9:54 pm | Permalink
  38. Grinbomb
    Posted November 28, 2010 at 9:54 pm | Permalink

    piranescu: Old Nan!Loving this!But what is going on in that shot between Daenerys and Catelyn?Is that Jaime?I can’t remember the proper scene.Help anyone?    

    I think that is Doreah teaching Dany how to please Drogo

  39. OhDanyBoy
    Posted November 28, 2010 at 9:54 pm | Permalink

    Alright – having viewed this about 50 times now, here are my thoughts.

    Bran looks and sounds great! Ned – what can I say – perfect delivery of that scene with Bran. Theon looks good – darker, as he should.

    Drogo looks intimidating – DANY LOOKS AMAZING! Any doubts I had about her hair or look in general are totally gone! I can’t seem to recall having any doubts anyway…

    I like that they seem to have moved the Ned-Jaime confrontation to on-foot rather than ahorse. More cinematic – can make it into an actual fight – will have to work in how Ned breaks his leg though.

    PS – Old Gran!

  40. piranescu
    Posted November 28, 2010 at 9:57 pm | Permalink

    Grinbomb:
    I think that is Doreah teaching Dany how to please Drogo    

    I think that is actually Jaime confronting Ned as people are talking of. I was confused because it was bright daylight and not rainy night. The atmosphere is very different than I imagined it! But we’ll see how it all feels when it airs :)

  41. Ed
    Posted November 28, 2010 at 9:59 pm | Permalink

    Dany looks fat…

    (just kidding!)

    Everything looks amazing, April simply canNOT come here quick enough!

  42. wolfheart
    Posted November 28, 2010 at 10:01 pm | Permalink

    Now that ive watched it 100 times. I’m sad the scene with ned/jaime isn’t at night in the rain. Like someone said before. its far to sunny/clean. Almost optimistic and cheery.

    WE DO get our first distant glimpse of Robb standing next to Bran in the beheading scene.

    I TRULEY hope HBO adds Dany’s purple eyes in Post production!

    I also noticed they changed the tree stump from the pilot into a more ceremonial looking rock wooden block thing with the neck niche for the series.

    Joffrey has his blonde golden hair. just without the waves or curls…

  43. reedgirl
    Posted November 28, 2010 at 10:02 pm | Permalink

    Yah! Yah! Yah! I see Jaime confronting Jory and Ned with all the red cloaks, I see Tyrion being accosted at the crossroads tavern. I see Ned and Cersei, ‘negotiating’. Bran is gorgeous, even THEON is beautiful. Jon in the night’s watch – I am so stirred! Ha – saw the Mountain vs. Hound and I nearly peed. It’s going to be totally awesome! I can go on and on. Costumes are strange in some places (armor) but still interesting, and whimsical/fierce. Dany and Doreah having a lesson…? Whoa smexy HBO.

    Is that Old nan talking, or could it possibly be OSHA? Just wondering…

  44. Damphair
    Posted November 28, 2010 at 10:07 pm | Permalink

    what a delicious treat for a Sunday night. The only problem is that it works me up into an even frothier lather for more content to be released. Damn you HBO. Damn you.

  45. Friday
    Posted November 28, 2010 at 10:09 pm | Permalink

    Wow! That surpassed all my expectations. Bran is perfect! The execution gave me chills. Winter can’t come soon enough!

  46. Chris
    Posted November 28, 2010 at 10:11 pm | Permalink

    Initial thoughts.:
    a.) Old Nan sounds beyond perfect. It’s such a small detail but she could really play a major role in setting the tone, planting some of those fantasy seeds, and just filling in a lot of the gaps with her stories.

    b.) Joff getting slapped by Tyrion. I love that they included this(in the show and in the trailer).

    c.) King’s Landing is going to be a HUGE adjustment for me on screen. Not complaining at all, but like most, it is almost the opposite of how I imagined it. This was highlighted by the very important encounter between Jaime and Ned we get a glimpse of.

    d.) Bran is going to break hearts.

    e.) Tyrion is going to be almost an immediate fan favorite. Besides being an awesome character played by an awesome actor; we will see him a.) stand up to Joffrey when he’s badmouthing Bran b.) help Jon come to terms with himself and his situation at the wall c.) come back to Winterfell and help Bran be able to ride a horse d.) shortly thereafter, get into his little predicament with Catelyn. It’s such a conflicting situation but of course, thats what makes these books so good.

    f.) Everything looks really, really awesome. Different in a lot of cases, but awesome.

  47. reedgirl
    Posted November 28, 2010 at 10:12 pm | Permalink

    TARGARYAN DRAGON BROOCHES on Dany’s shoulders (wedding day?) Incredible detail, incredible wow.

  48. Grinbomb
    Posted November 28, 2010 at 10:14 pm | Permalink

    Ok, now that I’ve had an hour to watch it 30 times and digest it a little more here are a few of my thoughts:

    Love that we got to see the Clegane brothers in full battle rattle duke it out. My only regret is that its hard for people to appreciate how massive these two are without having a more average sized person standing beside them (Loras on the ground doesn’t really help give a scale).

    Loved Tryion slapping Joffery. We got to see the Hound in his burnt make-up too which is nice

    Issac played Bran perfectly. It’s amazing to see great acting out of someone that young

    At first I didn’t recognize Old Nan’s speech, but having watched the video over and over I now like the desision of her talking about the long night coming and the true winter, and then having Ned say ‘winter is coming’, it really works well and gives me the chills. Speaking of which Nan’s voice didn’t sound so scary to me in my head when I read the books, I pictured it being more like my grandma’s, but I really like the sound of it and think it works.

    I almost think they put a couple sex and actions scenes in there just to say ‘hey this isn’t a LOTR rip off. This is a show that is for adults and just as mature and grand as any big series HBO has done’.

  49. TastesLikeTheSea
    Posted November 28, 2010 at 10:15 pm | Permalink

    Biggest pleasant surprise for me is Bran. He seems awesome and exactly how I pictured him.

  50. Camarlengo
    Posted November 28, 2010 at 10:15 pm | Permalink

    Some screencaps here.

  51. Inkasrain
    Posted November 28, 2010 at 10:16 pm | Permalink

    I’m so happy. This is just so ridiculously thrilling. I love Boardwalk Empire like crazy, but I could barely focus on it after a one minute Game of Thrones preview. I may just have to watch next week’s finale on demand, after I’ve calmed down somewhat from the fifteen-minute orgy of amazingness that is sure to precede it.

  52. Chris
    Posted November 28, 2010 at 10:17 pm | Permalink

    Ingemar Svensson: Nice to see that Will had some proper black clothes. Most of the images from Castle Black shows dirty greyish clothes but I guess that’s mostly for fight training.    

    Those are probably all trainees, if I remember correctly, they don’t get to wear black until they are officially sworn in.

  53. Critical Geek
    Posted November 28, 2010 at 10:18 pm | Permalink

    Sweet Googally Moogally. Yeehaa!!!!!!!!
    YAY FOR TRAILERS!!!!!!!

  54. Steel_Wind
    Posted November 28, 2010 at 10:21 pm | Permalink

    Who are the final swordsmen in Castle Black. It seemed like it was for real in that bit.

    Is that supposed to be Rast and the shaming of Samwell?

  55. Felix Zschieschow
    Posted November 28, 2010 at 10:22 pm | Permalink

    Steel_Wind,

    I think that’s Pyp.

  56. Woodwynd
    Posted November 28, 2010 at 10:29 pm | Permalink

    In the scene where Tyrion slaps Joff you can see the hound standing behind Joff. first look at his scars as far as i know

  57. Grinbomb
    Posted November 28, 2010 at 10:29 pm | Permalink

    .Is that Old nan talking, or could it possibly be OSHA? Just wondering…    

    Pretty sure that it is Old Nan, I seem to remember her saying something like that to Bran shortly after he wakes up.

    And no offense to Natalia Tena and her acting abilities, but I don’t know of any 25 year old woman who can make her voice sound like that :P

  58. the goat
    Posted November 28, 2010 at 10:29 pm | Permalink

    Felix Zschieschow,

    Yup, definitely Pyp gettin crazy with the steel.

  59. Melanie Bui
    Posted November 28, 2010 at 10:31 pm | Permalink

    Can you buy HBO without getting a whole cable package? There’s no way I’m waiting for the DVD release. *sigh*

  60. RedViper
    Posted November 28, 2010 at 10:32 pm | Permalink

    I still can’t believe this is actually happening! Just watched the trailer and it looks and feels amazing. I know not everything will meet our expectations, but I believe the show will be so great that none of it will matter in the end. This is the perfect storm of talent, especially with HBO backing, and I have never anticipated a show so much in my entire life.

    I have been following you guys since the beginning and reading all your comments, but after watching this trailer I felt the need to share my enthusiasm! Winter may be coming but it seems so far away! :)

  61. wolfheart
    Posted November 28, 2010 at 10:33 pm | Permalink

    Well the Lannister “Samurai” helmets have been debunked. The are just really odd looking from the front. A very interesting variation of Scandinavian viking. They look really cool from behind.

  62. FlayedandDisplayed
    Posted November 28, 2010 at 10:34 pm | Permalink

    I for one don’t care for violet eyes. And I suspect it adds a fantasy element to a major character that might put off some of the viewers, so I don’t expect to see them… unless perhaps they flash when she’s being all Mother of Dragons…

  63. Inkasrain
    Posted November 28, 2010 at 10:39 pm | Permalink

    I think I might have written this before, but I guess this is as good a place as any to repeat it; I love that Will gets the axe instead of Gared. From a storytelling perspective, I’m guessing that Will will (heh) be the viewers emotional reference point in the prologue (as he is in the book) so watching the end of his short arc mark the beginning of the bigger story draws the viewers in, packs a terrific emotional punch, and adds really great visual continuity to the first scenes of the series.

    On a character level, watching Ned execute a terrified and exhausted young man adds instant shading to the character, IMO even more so than if Gared were the one on the block. Ned’s explanation to Bran will then go even farther in showing us what kind of man Ned Stark really is.

    And best of all, killing Will lends some phenomenal shading to Ned’s eventual line to Cersei that he is different from her because he “doesn’t kill children.” (I would love to see the beheading in the “Previouslies” before whichever episode this line appears in, to make the contrast of Ned’s opinion of himself and how the reality differs from that, crystal clear.)

  64. Ingemar Svensson
    Posted November 28, 2010 at 10:42 pm | Permalink

    One thing I just realized is that no one seems to be wearing their house arms on the breast of their shirt like is described a lot in the books. Even in the scene at the inn of the crossroads where it supposedly is how Catelyn identifies the various banner houses to Stark.

  65. Hodor
    Posted November 28, 2010 at 10:45 pm | Permalink

    oh I would make it rain at the end of the fight.

  66. binzer
    Posted November 28, 2010 at 10:45 pm | Permalink

    Melanie Bui,

    I think you can maybe do that with DirecTV? I’m pretty sure they do standalone packages, although you probably have to get all the HBO channels as opposed to just the main one. On their website it looks like it’s $15/month.

  67. theamberkey
    Posted November 28, 2010 at 10:48 pm | Permalink

    Couple questions/thoughts, mostly stream-of-conscious:

    Who’s is that banner in the opening shot? Looks like an eagle or hawk head to me.

    Where’s all the snow?! I know it’s summer, but c’mon! (I don’t really care, the atmosphere of the North looks incredible.) I do love the big furry cloaks they wear. Ice is BIG.

    I think Dany is gorgeous. Dany + Doreah just ensures that I will be buying the DVDs.

    Robert’s first talky bit is great.

    Lena’s bit was great, too. Thought the little eye and head-tilt bit was totally Cersei.

    When the Mountain and the Hound clash, you can see blood on their swords–or at least on the Mountain’s.

    And the wall’s “we’re too poor to have real training armor” look is great. Honestly, it makes sense why Jon and Sam and all would have scruffly beards. Buncha dudes hanging out in the extreme cold with no ladies about and no hot water for shaving in a time when beards were more normal anyway… yeah, they’re gonna grow beards. It’s like NoShaveNovember except all year around and not hipster.

  68. Phoenix_torn
    Posted November 28, 2010 at 10:48 pm | Permalink

    Ingemar Svensson,

    but ned seems to be wearing the “hand” at about 42 seconds

  69. wolfheart
    Posted November 28, 2010 at 10:49 pm | Permalink

    Jaime sword point is interesting. Good thing they kept the sword straight. Although it looks to be a single edged blade.

  70. theamberkey
    Posted November 28, 2010 at 10:49 pm | Permalink

    theamberkey,

    Yeah, I just realized that’s a direwolf. :facepalm:

  71. CorvusKeeper
    Posted November 28, 2010 at 10:52 pm | Permalink

    Well said!
    Inkasrain,

  72. Hodor
    Posted November 28, 2010 at 10:53 pm | Permalink

    Maybe they are searching for a certain butcher boy in the night/torches forest scene?

  73. ECUdan
    Posted November 28, 2010 at 10:54 pm | Permalink

    Oh my Jesus Christ monkey balls.

  74. Kana
    Posted November 28, 2010 at 10:57 pm | Permalink

    wolfheart,

    Yeah, that wooden notched log was a nice touch. And it was stained where the necks go, gives it a really nice sense that they’ve been using it for a while.

  75. CorvusKeeper
    Posted November 28, 2010 at 10:57 pm | Permalink

    In the scene with the Clegane Bros. I believe that was Ser Loras rolling behind the Hound.

  76. DH87
    Posted November 28, 2010 at 10:58 pm | Permalink

    The Hound looks stunning. Rory McCann and Conan Stevens are dream casting.
    Drogo: well—we can see why he’s going to grow on Dany.
    Sean Bean is a man tortured in every scene.
    The children are going to be a revelation to the audience. The adults are going to have to act their socks off to keep from having every scene stolen by them.
    The texture, tone of the settings couldn’t be better.
    Win, win, win. I hope GRRM is weeping tears of joy.

  77. Ness
    Posted November 28, 2010 at 10:59 pm | Permalink

    Now that I’ve stopped flailing and can physically type coherent words again, THIS WAS FREAKING AWESOME AHHHH!!!

  78. Sarita
    Posted November 28, 2010 at 10:59 pm | Permalink

    I’m glad I had a chance to watch again online because I totally missed some scenes when it aired, like the awesome Joffrey slap by Tyrion. Funny how much people love that one scene. Non-readers are probably thinking WTF are people excited about a sweet little kid getting smacked? They’ll find out soon enough. ;)

    I thought Dany looked great when she first appeared in the trailer. Her hair looks more blonde than white and softer/more realistic. I can see her getting lots of fans.

    I still get chills when I hear “Winter is coming”.

  79. the goat
    Posted November 28, 2010 at 11:00 pm | Permalink

    theamberkey,

    The Mountain’s sword has blood on it cuz he just finished decapitating his horse.

  80. furrever
    Posted November 28, 2010 at 11:01 pm | Permalink

    Absolutely perfect.

    Sean Bean is becoming Ned Stark before my eyes (he’s not Ned just yet, but I have a feeling after an episode or two he will be). Joffrey looks just like the sniveling brat he is. Seeing Tyrion slap him was (for me) the highlight of this teaser. Bran is 100% adorable and lovable.

    Daenerys looks great (the hair works better for me in this teaser and I’m SO HAPPY to see her in a classy silk dress instead of that burlap sack thing). Jaime looks perfectly smug and cocky as he should (although his hair suddenly looks brown – what happened? – I liked it so much better in the ER still we saw).

    The Cersei and Ned exchange is great. The beheading scene is right out of the books and flawless with the mood it captures. The Clegane brothers fighting was a total tease, and I agree that the scene doesn’t do their size justice (but I’m sure other scenes will leave no doubt in the viewer’s mind just how large they both are).

    Jason Momoa still looks nothing like the Drogo in my head (i.e. he looks like a Polynesian surf hunk instead of a fearsome Mongol warrior), but I’m sure he will do just fine in the role and Drogo certainly doesn’t need to look like he does in my head for the series to be a success (which I believe it will be).

    I agree with others that King Landing doesn’t look how I envisioned, but again, this is of no import in regard to the series being a success. I just would have preferred to see it more dark and gritty. And I had also hoped the Jaime/Ned confrontation would have been in the dark and rain like in the books as it felt more scary to me when I read it in part because of the setting. But these are all small complaints and all in all I’m absolutely thrilled with what I’ve seen thus far and am completely satisfied with what HBO has done with my favorite book series.

    Winter is coming!

  81. DH87
    Posted November 28, 2010 at 11:01 pm | Permalink

    binzer,

    You have to sign up for DirecTV’s basic service first before you can get a premium channel package, I believe. I think it’s $49-$59 a month, with the HBO channels additional.

  82. Shagnasty
    Posted November 28, 2010 at 11:01 pm | Permalink

    The trailer looks pretty good to me.. just one or two things of course.. Ned doesn’t seem to swing his sword hard enough to cut that dudes head off… What’s with the crazy bushy eyebrows on Daenerys and Khal Drogo… other than that it looks sweet..

  83. Tysnow
    Posted November 28, 2010 at 11:02 pm | Permalink

    The Ned/Jaime fight looks to have changed to a major confrontation, in the book it is very brief, it seems to me HBO altered the scene and is making it very epic. Looks as if we get to see Ned and Jaime’s fighting skills in all their brutally and awesomest. I like that Ned and his men are outnumbered 5-1, looks to be a long and bloody streetfight.
    I also noticed the street was muddy and the air appeared to be very misty, so mayhaps some of the scene will be fought in the rain and post production can make it appear darker like the fight was at sunset.

  84. theamberkey
    Posted November 28, 2010 at 11:02 pm | Permalink

    the goat,

    Yeah, I got it. :) Just loved the detail.

  85. Chris
    Posted November 28, 2010 at 11:06 pm | Permalink

    Shagnasty,

    That’s a big ass sword. It’s probably somewhat awkward to handle but once it gets going it’s going to have some serious force behind it.

  86. theamberkey
    Posted November 28, 2010 at 11:09 pm | Permalink

    Chris,

    Yeah, I’m pretty sure a sword that big doesn’t need much more than a guiding hand.

  87. Steel_Wind
    Posted November 28, 2010 at 11:17 pm | Permalink

    Inkasrain: I think I might have written this before, but I guess this is as good a place as any to repeat it; I love that Will gets the axe instead of Gared. From a storytelling perspective, I’m guessing that Will will (heh) be the viewers emotional reference point in the prologue (as he is in the book) so watching the end of his short arc mark the beginning of the bigger story draws the viewers in, packs a terrific emotional punch, and adds really great visual continuity to the first scenes of the series.

    I think this is a strong sign that the Prologue against the Others is going to be significantly changed.

    My bet? I don’t think we are going to see the Others. I think it’s sounds and wide-eyed stares-and snow in the Haunted Forest – punctuated by a scream and a mad dash.

    Later, we see Willmar Royce beating feat down the hills near Winterfell, being pursued by Stark horsemen.

    I think HBO decided that the first scene of their “it’s not really fantasy, it’s drama in a pretend land” series is *not* going to be emphasizing the supernatural on screen in the first scene.

    I might be wrong. But… I don’t think so.

    If Willmar royce survives the Others, it’s because he doesn’t fight them — and as a consequence, we won’t see them.

  88. the goat
    Posted November 28, 2010 at 11:18 pm | Permalink

    theamberkey,

    That scene is gonna be legendary in its badassitude.

  89. Kana
    Posted November 28, 2010 at 11:20 pm | Permalink

    theamberkey,

    It’s true, a neck doesn’t take nearly as much effort as you’d think to cut through. The mythbusters did a couple of tests with pig necks as an analogue, with a heavy, sharp blade it’s pretty easy. The vertebrae don’t offer nearly the resistance you’d think they would.

    Anyway, I remember in the initial version of that shot, it was obviously a bigger, over the head swing. Doesn’t really make much difference, and that log or stone or whatever it is is rather classy.

  90. Mosh
    Posted November 28, 2010 at 11:40 pm | Permalink

    That’s Littlefinger next to Ned at 0:27, right? He’s there in the books anyway, and it looks like Gillen. It does look like he has a goatee, but it’s not very clear.

  91. Brude
    Posted November 28, 2010 at 11:47 pm | Permalink

    theamberkey: Chris,
    Yeah, I’m pretty sure a sword that big doesn’t need much more than a guiding hand.    

    It needs a certain amount of strength to properly wield. I doubt I could properly wield one in my current shape. I’ve seen demonstrations of Viking great swords on pig carcases (similar in size to human bodies). They are devastating, but you need to be big enough to swing it. They can smash right through a helm and cut a man’s head clean in half. Unarmored, they can cut a man in two, lengthwise…it’s pretty terrifying.

  92. Aurea
    Posted November 28, 2010 at 11:48 pm | Permalink

    Oh my… That was awesome!

    Nikolaj as Jaime is just perfect! And I particularly dig his clothing style. Me like :P… As for the lightning of the Ned/Jaime confrontation scene, I don’t really mind if it’s sunny or dark and rainy. In fact, I think the day-light setting is quite fitting, it shows the arrogance and power of Jaime: the guy don’t even bother to wait for the night to accomplish his evil deeds :)…

    Others random thoughts:
    - Bran is so sweet!!
    - Drogo is scary O_O (and yummy :P)
    - I just can’t wait for the Clegane bros’ fight!! This will be epic!

  93. dizzy_34
    Posted November 28, 2010 at 11:53 pm | Permalink

    Had too much TV to watch to chime in but … see that was so awsome. Had to hit rewind 5 times. I wonder if we’ll get a glimpse of the Others next week.

  94. Mars
    Posted November 28, 2010 at 11:58 pm | Permalink

    Jaime drawing his sword looks very Malcolm Reynolds from Firefly to me, awesome. The Hound looks great next to Joff and I love the carnage in his fight w/ Gregor (Loras down, horse down, broken fence, bloody blade, horrified onlookers, heh).

  95. Wolfheart
    Posted November 29, 2010 at 12:00 am | Permalink

    theamberkey: Couple questions/thoughts, mostly stream-of-conscious:Who’s is that banner in the opening shot? Looks like an eagle or hawk head to me.

    Where’s all the snow?! I know it’s summer, but c’mon! (I don’t really care, the atmosphere of the North looks incredible.) Ice is BIG..    

    That’s supposed to be the Stark banner. *sigh* yes, see this is exactly my point I’ve been trying to make. Glad its not just me and a few fans here and my friends that cant see “wolf”. Specially in the look of the head.

    As for the snow. I’ll give them that. They filmed in Ireland and it wasn’t winter yet. They could have laid down fake snow. Who knows if post production will add in snow later.
    Yes, Ice is big (inwhich you I think mean long). Not as long as described in the book. But as for width of blade thats right!

  96. Wolfheart
    Posted November 29, 2010 at 12:02 am | Permalink

    Shagnasty: cuz he just finished decapitating his horse.  

    Yeah, I noticed that too. In the profile shots, he holds it over his head higher for a more weighted blow.

  97. Brude
    Posted November 29, 2010 at 12:03 am | Permalink

    Tysnow: The Ned/Jaime fight looks to have changed to a major confrontation, in the book it is very brief, it seems to me HBO altered the scene and is making it very epic. Looks as if we get to see Ned and Jaime’s fighting skills in all their brutally and awesomest. I like that Ned and his men are outnumbered 5-1, looks to be a long and bloody streetfight.
    I also noticed the street was muddy and the air appeared to be very misty, so mayhaps some ofthe scene will be fought in the rain and post production can make it appear darker like the fight was at sunset.    

    In the book, the scene happens either during or right after it rains, so that much is the same, at least. (I’m rereading the book now and I’m right about at that point, actually.)

  98. Stranger
    Posted November 29, 2010 at 12:05 am | Permalink

    Holy wrinkled Crone, is that Tyrion and Shea @ :47?!? Incredible (though I’m not sure if that’s definitely Shea, maybe “Ros”)!

    P.S Who else is intrigued and (im)properly excited about all of the extraneous wenching that might take place in the show? I’m especially hopeful they give Robert at least one “It’s-good-to-be-the-king” scene. He’s certainly knows how to indulge…

  99. Wolfheart
    Posted November 29, 2010 at 12:09 am | Permalink

    Kana: wolfheart,
    Yeah, that wooden notched log was a nice touch.And it was stained where the necks go, gives it a really nice sense that they’ve been using it for a while.    

    Yes, but it makes me wonder why the change from the pilots closer depiction from the book to what we see in this trailer . As far as I remember it was a ironwood tree stump.

  100. GaR
    Posted November 29, 2010 at 12:21 am | Permalink

    Well that is the single coolest piece of television I’ve seen in my life.

  101. Liesie
    Posted November 29, 2010 at 12:22 am | Permalink

    WHAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

  102. Zack
    Posted November 29, 2010 at 12:23 am | Permalink

    Let me just express my appreciation for FaB, for the effort taken to gather so many stills and write some commentary. (Thanks Twitter!)

    So many details I would never have caught. Awesome work, I love you for it.

    And, yes, I have seen this trailer about thirty times now. Such a fanboy. D’oh! lol
    I’m pretty thrilled, anyway. Next week seems an eternity away, and April an eternity and a half.

  103. Phoenix_torn
    Posted November 29, 2010 at 12:25 am | Permalink

    Mars: Jaime drawing his sword looks very Malcolm Reynolds from Firefly to me, awesome. heh).  Quote  Reply

    Thank you! I was thinking exactly the same thing. I think the Jacket is part of it, but glad it wasn’t just me. :)

  104. areesha
    Posted November 29, 2010 at 1:08 am | Permalink

    LONG TIME fan of this site, and never posted, but Winter is Coming!!! And I need to stock up on fresh panties from fangasm. OMFG how could any fan nitpick? HBO is doing it, and doing it right. More right than any other company could. Can’t wait to see Arya in action, Robb…Lord Frey. and HBO willing someday a Tormund Giantsbane, Ygritte, and Mag the Mighty!

    So far I am completely, utterly satisfied with casting and production. Different than my imagination? Of course! But satisfying? Oh yes.

    Favorite scene so far? Jon, and the Watch. I got goosebumps when I saw the trailer on the TV!

  105. paulgude
    Posted November 29, 2010 at 1:20 am | Permalink

    I really like this.

    Tyrion slapping Joff is begging to be an animated gif.

  106. Kana
    Posted November 29, 2010 at 1:34 am | Permalink

    Phoenix_torn,

    gah, that’s exactly what I was thinking too. Not too crazy with it, but I suppose Jaime is a bit of a rake in book 1, minus the womanizing.

  107. clanglee
    Posted November 29, 2010 at 1:56 am | Permalink

    Oh my god!!!! This is looking amazing!! With the Walking Dead on right now, and this coming soon. . . . I think I am going to die of a powerful nerdgasm!!!

  108. Paintknight
    Posted November 29, 2010 at 1:56 am | Permalink

    Yeah, must agree, it’s fantastic overall. Totally digging the whole shoot. Bran was awesome and I totally want a look at the Mountain Hound fight.

    One thing I’ve noticed (and perhaps this was pointed out and I missed it), I read a lot of people saying that Will was the one being beheaded but in the books it’s Gared. In the prologue he tells Waymar and Will that he lost both ears, three toes and a finger of his hand to frostbite. In the first Bran chapter, they say they’re beheading a fellow without ears or a finger. That’d be Gared, not Will. Did they change this for production or was that Gared and people are mistakenly thinking it’s Will?

  109. Fire And Blood
    Posted November 29, 2010 at 1:56 am | Permalink

    Mars: Jaime drawing his sword looks very Malcolm Reynolds from Firefly to me, awesome..    

    So I wasn’t just imagining things! Seriously. Jaime’s cocksure draw reminded me of Mal Reynolds from Firefly. Goldcoats, anyone?

    And thanks for the compliment, Zack, but that was Ran from Westeros who did the caption comments, not I.

    I’ll have more comments of my own to make after I watch this trailer 20-30 more times.

  110. SA_Avenger
    Posted November 29, 2010 at 1:59 am | Permalink

    mouth gaping….speechless… no kidding O_O

  111. mcguffin1899
    Posted November 29, 2010 at 2:05 am | Permalink

    I think the nighttime wood scene with the soldiers holding torches takes place when they are looking for Arya after she runs away when Joffrey gets injured. It’s early in the story and it doesn’t look like they’re showing any scenes from later in the book.

    I’m also cool with Will getting the axe instead of Gared. Was that one of the things they changed when they reshot the pilot? I seem to remember it was Gared who gets beheaded in the leaked pilot script.

    Bran is really good in the few lines we’ve seen. So lovable, it’s gonna be a real shocker when we hear those magic words: the things I do for love.

    Wish we could have heard Tyrion say a line or two but I guess it’s something to look forward to next time.

  112. Pepi
    Posted November 29, 2010 at 2:08 am | Permalink

    I’ve been following WiC for quite some tome now, yet now, when i finally decided to post, I am speechless.

  113. mcguffin1899
    Posted November 29, 2010 at 2:11 am | Permalink

    By the way, of course I was loving the 60 seconds I saw… in fact over and over again for like an hour.

    But I’m more curious to see what non-readers think of the promo? I wonder what they think the story is based on this… and then you can tell them — wrong! guess again.

  114. Hulumulu
    Posted November 29, 2010 at 2:16 am | Permalink

    Awesome. Did you see Ser Rodrik in the scene where Will is executed? His whisker is funny, looks like it is knotted under his chin! :) Well, at least I think that’s him in the background…

  115. paulgude
    Posted November 29, 2010 at 2:28 am | Permalink

    Paintknight,

    The short answer is that it looks like this was changed for the production.

    In the book, it’s pretty clear from the description that Garred is the one who’s beheaded.

    In the press releases for the HBO series and all other documentation, the actor Bronson Webb is listed as playing the character of Will. In the beheading scene, Bronson Webb has his head on the block.

    Therefore, we assume that they’ve altered events in the book for the series, and Will is the one being executed instead of Garred.

  116. Paintknight
    Posted November 29, 2010 at 2:34 am | Permalink

    paulgude,

    Thanks, Paul! I appreciate the insight. I’ve been trying to follow but time being what it is, I miss stuff. =]

  117. Becks
    Posted November 29, 2010 at 2:38 am | Permalink

    Kana,

    And Loras wallowing about on the ground! Ha.

  118. clouded_daze
    Posted November 29, 2010 at 2:46 am | Permalink

    Becks,

    I liked that part also :)

    Anyone else notice the minimizing of Sandor’s facial scarring? Are they going to add that later through image editing, or is it something they decided to tone down to lessen the jarring aspect of seeing hideous scars on someone’s face?

    Joff slap= gold.

  119. Brian Baldinger
    Posted November 29, 2010 at 2:52 am | Permalink

    Oh Man, it looks great! So psyched!

  120. theGodfarmer
    Posted November 29, 2010 at 3:02 am | Permalink

    O my bloody lord!

    I thought I couldn’t get more excited then I was prior to this trailer but damn you HBO!! Now I’m giddy like a little girl :p

    Emilia Clarke is just to spot on! It will be so great to see Dany grow in the series, from a nervous little girls to a hard mother of dragons.

    And as some has said before, the “elder” actors will have to really bring their A-game if they want to compete with the children for focus in the scenes :)

    And how about that Jamie!! And Tyrion!! and and and!! Getting a bit of a overload here :p Can’t wait for Winter! In the spring… :p

  121. theGodfarmer
    Posted November 29, 2010 at 3:05 am | Permalink

    And for those who said that Ned used to little force to chop of the head, remember that Ice is of Valerian steel, so no force is needed. Also, when wielding a 2-hander, you do not use brute force, you swing it in circles and let the weight of the blade to the work. It is to heavy to to otherwise, if you use force slashing down, you will not be able to stop it from hitting the ground.

  122. Avalanche3319
    Posted November 29, 2010 at 3:10 am | Permalink

    clouded_daze,

    At first I thought Sandor didn’t have much for scars as well, but looking a little closer I think they’re there. It’s hard to tell because that particular frame is in the bluish tone of the first teasers, but the right side of his face does look pretty damaged. It looks like realistic burn scars though, not like Two Face from the Dark Knight.

  123. Ness
    Posted November 29, 2010 at 3:19 am | Permalink

    Avalanche3319,

    I am actually really glad that they did not give him the Harvey Dent treatment, to be honest. From what little I have seen of it, I am totally loving how they addressed Sandor’s scars.

  124. Juan
    Posted November 29, 2010 at 3:35 am | Permalink

    IS AWESOME!!
    Thanks a lot for yout job, winter-is-coming.net

  125. GrzebykK
    Posted November 29, 2010 at 3:37 am | Permalink

    Am I being bad person watching the trailer only 10 times?
    In the past, people were called fans after watching movies/episodes plenty of times. From this day however, true fan has to do it frame-by-frame. I admire you people for seeing such details.
    If the we have such feelings after one minute trailer, then after show start this site is going to explode. And so be it!

  126. Danny
    Posted November 29, 2010 at 3:41 am | Permalink

    Oh my. I really can’t concentrate on my work at the moment.

    Browsing for comments from the community with some coffee in my hand, and replaying the trailer every 5 minutes or so. It’s really happening folks.

  127. Lex
    Posted November 29, 2010 at 3:41 am | Permalink

    Hahahahaha! I can’t believe Joff got slapped! (And the first time we ever saw him!)

    Great trailer, all around. Theon’s hair is black! Irri and Dany in bed! Esme Bianco looking gorgeous! Lena Headey looking hot/sinister, Sean Bean sounding awesome, and Bran looking absolutely perfect!

    Only complaints: like others have said, the confrontation with Jaime/Ned is too bright and sunny. In the books it’s dark and raining. Also, is it just me or did Jaime’s hair look almost brown? Also, Old Nan was cool for us fans, but I think her narration will just be confusing to new viewers.

  128. Lex
    Posted November 29, 2010 at 3:49 am | Permalink

    Oh, and we finally know what’s on the top of Loras’ helm.

  129. Benjamin Symons
    Posted November 29, 2010 at 3:50 am | Permalink

    I’m getting goosebumps even after the 20th time I’ve watched this trailer…
    I have no doubts that this show will be quite a different beast from the books (because the story in the books is told mostly from inside the minds of the characters). Even so, I have no doubts that the TV-show ‘version’ of the stories in Westeros we all love will be awesome.
    Loved everything I saw in the trailer, man I love trailers (and man I can’t concentrate for one bit on the paper I should be writing for uni now =D )

  130. The_Rabbit
    Posted November 29, 2010 at 3:52 am | Permalink

    Good Lord!
    I watched it in the break of dawn in my bed.
    Wonderfully wonderful!
    Can not rewatch it from the office.

    The old nan s voice is still in my head.
    Dany looks perfect.
    Did I see Esme for a moment?

  131. The_Rabbit
    Posted November 29, 2010 at 3:59 am | Permalink

    Lex,

    On top of Loras helm?

  132. Tar Kidho
    Posted November 29, 2010 at 4:08 am | Permalink

    I’m really, really disappointed by this trailer HBO. Truly, it is so impressively good that there’s hardly anything at all to nitpick over! :-) Luckily, at the very end, they left in this stupid ‘evil laugh’ that does not fit the story at all. Shame on you HBO! There, I found something. The rest was indeed, to put it in Americenglish, ‘freakin awesome’!

    For now even my doubts about Clarke as Daenerys have been lightened a bit. In these shots she looks much better than before – no sloping shoulders, collar bones better pronounced, and either they increased on the make-up, or they applied much more postprocessing.

    Two questions remain for me:
    (1) why is Jaime’s hair not as blond as that of the other Lannisters? Still to be adjusted in postprocessing? Then they might also darken the mood in that scene with Ned?
    (2) still not digging Lena Heady as Cersei – she’s now the furthest from the mental picture I had in my mind. She could be a fine actress, but doesn’t look the part for me. (then again, better like that then if she’d look the part but couldn’t portray Cersei’s personality)

    To end positively, from what we’ve seen, I am more and more convinced about Mark Addy, Peter Dinklage, Kit Harrington, Isaac Hempstead-Wright and Michelle Fairly in their respective roles. And I never ever doubted Sean Bean, Maisie Williams, Alfie Owen-Allen, Charles Dance, NCW, Wilko Johnson or Iain Glen.

    There’s 20 cm of snow outside where I live, but I can’t wait till Winter is Coming!

  133. Rinoa De la Pica
    Posted November 29, 2010 at 4:13 am | Permalink

    HAAA! My sweet God!! Best.Series.Ever. HBO, thank you, thank you for bringing the best books I’ve read into live.

    Showing now the trailer to everyone at my office. I think I managed to grow the enthusiasm among my collegues, even those who don’t know the series!

    Daenerys is more than beautiful, she’s a delicate and powerful doll, and what to say about Jaime… I’m joining ‘Team Jaime’ right now. I can’t wait to see him… hmm… lightly dresses as in the first episode. heheh

  134. Lex
    Posted November 29, 2010 at 4:14 am | Permalink

    The_Rabbit: Lex,
    On top of Loras helm?    

    Yeah, remember in the old production video, his helm seemed to have a tall point, but the top was out of frame. People speculated it could be a metallic flower. But in this trailer, he’s rolling around on the ground, and there seem to be ribbons or hair flowing from it.

  135. Lex
    Posted November 29, 2010 at 4:15 am | Permalink

  136. Lex
    Posted November 29, 2010 at 4:16 am | Permalink

    Here is the original shot, where we can’t see the top.

  137. Altaïr
    Posted November 29, 2010 at 4:22 am | Permalink

    For my part, I absolutely love everything I’ve seen so far about Cersei. Sure, she looks a bit different than in the books, but for the best as far as I’m concerned. Lena Headey seems to have chosen a very subtle way to play her, with the charisma of a queen, self-assurance but without vulgarity…
    It was always a weakness of the plot, in my eyes, that the fact that her kids were not Robert’s was an evidence for the reader very early in the book. As a consequence, Ned and Robert seemed blind, or dumb, on that question.
    If the series’ Cersei looks noble and honourable, it explains a lot of things (including Sansa’s admiration for her).

  138. The_Rabbit
    Posted November 29, 2010 at 4:25 am | Permalink

    Lex,

    I actually thought the top of Loras helm form the Artisans – weapons video.
    That is bit of strange thing, too.

  139. silverjaime
    Posted November 29, 2010 at 4:31 am | Permalink

    First quick look (no sound) at work – Ned is superb – the expressions on Sean Bean’s face – awesome! Bran is just the sweetest thing! The beheading and the action scenes look amazing and the whole feel of the production is just brilliant!
    OMG!!!!

  140. J
    Posted November 29, 2010 at 5:47 am | Permalink

    What can I possibly add? This made my day.

    *rewatches the teaser for the hundreth time*

  141. Lord Stark
    Posted November 29, 2010 at 6:03 am | Permalink

    Amazing Amazing Amazing!!!!!!!!!!!!
    This trailer blew away my expectations and my mind……uauuuuuu…..terrific!!

    I’m a fan of this site since a year and half, but this is my first post.
    Great site. Congrats, Winter!!!

    Greetings from Albania!

  142. Rimshot
    Posted November 29, 2010 at 6:13 am | Permalink

    Mars: Jaime drawing his sword looks very Malcolm Reynolds from Firefly to me, awesome. The Hound looks great next to Joff and I love the carnage in his fight w/ Gregor (Loras down, horse down, broken fence, bloody blade, horrified onlookers, heh).  Quote  Reply

    I’m glad you thought the onlookers looked horrified! I’m in there somewhere. After doing the scene several times we had to keep up the horrified look. We did get good queues from the 1st AD ‘ok…you’re enjoying it….you’re enjoying it…NOW LOOK HORRIFIED!!’

    The decapitating horse scene was very interesting as it involved three different types of prop – a real horse; a horse’s head on a mechanical contraption which would split open at the neck when the mountain swung down at it (and spurted lots of blood!) and a fake horse body (the one you see in the teaser). We got to watch this all being put together. Plus the scene which causes the lists to be broken was very cool!

    We had to act out a ranged of emotions which I’m sure they will keep cutting too for reaction shots.

    Believe me, the whole Tourney and Clegane fight is incredibly awesome. You guys will love it!

  143. Peter van Stralen
    Posted November 29, 2010 at 6:28 am | Permalink

    GODVERDOMME!

  144. Stu
    Posted November 29, 2010 at 6:29 am | Permalink

    Winter is f-n coming!!!

  145. The_Rabbit
    Posted November 29, 2010 at 6:32 am | Permalink

    Rimshot,

    Thank you for your addition to the scene.
    We are very lucky for having a real witness on the spot. :)

  146. isenriver
    Posted November 29, 2010 at 6:34 am | Permalink

    I’d like to know who Tyrion is with in that sex scene, is it Shae?

  147. Nico
    Posted November 29, 2010 at 6:34 am | Permalink

    I am not sure about this. I think I may be the first poster to say I’m worried about the show. :(

  148. Rinso
    Posted November 29, 2010 at 6:40 am | Permalink

    Oookay…

    My first reaction was of giddy joy. It is our first real trailer and I think that as such, it looks and feels awesome. It should raise the interest in the general, ungeeky, audience.

    However, I am not pleased with everything. So, let’s make a list…
    The things I liked:
    - Old Nan’s narration/monologue.
    - what I saw from Bran.
    - the traditional “A war is coming” line between Robert and Ned.
    - what I saw from Cersei.
    - as a whole, the blockbuster-like expensive look of the show.
    The things that I’m on the fence about:
    - the fight between the Clegane brothers at the Tourney of the Hand. I imagine Gregor to be clean-shaven and long-haired; the crew seems to imagine him bald and bearded ;P Also, his armor doesn’t seem impressive and massive enough. I am also a bit perplexed that so far we haven’t heard or saw anything about Sandor, which is strange, considering that he’s a huge fan favorite character.
    - the execution. That guy can’t be Gared, he’s way too young. So I assume it’s Will. Why the change? Back then, when the pilot script leaked, the prologue’s ending was changed considerably and (imo) not for the better. I hoped then that they would go back on that and film a more faithful prologue, but alas, it doesn’t seem like it happened…
    The things I disliked:
    - the “I was trained to kill” line from Ned. No, he wasn’t. That’s for Jaime, or the Cleganes, or, heck, even Drogo. He actually was trained to follow, being the second son of Lord Rickard and Robert’s yesman. What I suspected from the leaked pilot, is now almost confirmed in my eyes – they will try to amplify the “badassery” of Ned Stark. Not really fond of the idea.
    - the confrontation between Jaime and Ned. Wasn’t it supposed to happen during the evening/night? Also, totally not into Jaime’s look. Would it have hurt to just give the guy a long blonde wig? Why the short brownish mop? Nikolaj looked so smug and nasty, I’m sure he can pull off the acting, but why they didn’t kept the look from the books?
    - Drogo’s look. I’ll repeat myself from when I saw those leaked photos at the sea shore – ugh. What’s with the huge beard? Why?

    Well, looking at it now, the whining seems dominant in my post, while, in fact, I am pretty happy with the trailer. Most of what irks me are aesthetics that differ from my own imagination and tastes, but that’s nothing – I never expected them to make a show that looks exactly like the books do in my head, so I’ll live with what we have and be glad about it. Now, a slightly bigger problem are actual changes of the source material (the prologue, Ned being a trained-to-kill-best-warrior-in-Westeros-badass, etc.) but eh, whatcha gonna do? The books are the books and the show is the show.

  149. Mormegil
    Posted November 29, 2010 at 6:41 am | Permalink

    What can I say that hasn’t already been said. Looks Amazing.

    One thing I’m surprised about is how different they’ve made the colour plalette for Kings Landing (and Essos as well) from the North. We knew they were planing tis of course but I didn’t expect the difference to be quite that marked.

    Off to watch it again :)

    isenriver: I’d like to know who Tyrion is with in that sex scene, is it Shae?  Quote  Reply

    At a guess it’s Ros, I’m not even sure if any Shae scenes have been filmed yet.

  150. Shandy
    Posted November 29, 2010 at 6:49 am | Permalink

    Oh Bran! You are definitely going to break some hearts. I think you might make me more attached to that character, too. That first scene is absolutely perfect. Dany making her appearance to “my sweet summer child” was effective too.

    Too cruel to show us this so early when we have to wait so long…

  151. Shinyteapot
    Posted November 29, 2010 at 6:50 am | Permalink

    Great trailer :)

    Bran is amazing, he looks and sounds perfect, completely convincing. Huge thanks to the parents of all the child actors for allowing them to participate in such an adult show. I’m sure they’ll all be brilliant.

    Glad to see Theon with dark hair. I wasn’t too worried about his blond look, but having seen the difference, I do appreciate the change. Ser Rodrick looks spot on.

    I love Old Nan’s voice, she sounds exactly right and the voiceover is great, as are the lines we hear.

    Drogo looks suitably imposing and Dany is much better in this than the stills. The wig seems far less wiry and unnatural. What little we see of her dress looks lovely. Shame about the lack of contacts- I didn’t expect full on purple but maybe a slightly lilac tinged grey or blue. Still, we can live without it- maybe it was tried and looked bad.

    I like Ned’s hand brooch, but hope the chain still exists somewhere and Ned just doesn’t like wearing it. That chain is a great prop and I hope we don’t lose it.

    All the fight scenes look great- Gregor and Sandor in particular, and I love that you can see the horse’s blood (possibly others’ too) on Gregor’s sword. The only one I’m not sure about is the Stark/Lannister faceoff. Don’t mind that it isn’t dark- bad things happen in daylight too- but Jaime’s hair looks brown (though I like his clothes) and I presume the fight will play out a little differently in order to reach the same end points as in the book. Maybe it will be changed a lot in post production?

    Love Tyrion slapping Joffrey.

  152. Rinoa De la Pica
    Posted November 29, 2010 at 6:54 am | Permalink

    Nico,

    Why is that?

  153. JackSparrow
    Posted November 29, 2010 at 6:56 am | Permalink

    Nico: I am not sure about this. I think I may be the first poster to say I’m worried about the show.     
    You’re not; many people have worried and complained since early on in development. I think it looks awesome, though, so another person’s trash is my quality entertainment.

  154. Karolina
    Posted November 29, 2010 at 7:13 am | Permalink

    I think I have watched it like a million times now! It is just amasing…And to be honest I think that eye colours, hair and the fact that in one sceen it should rain/ not rain doesn’t really matter. The most important thing is that the trailer makes people who didn’t read books interested in watching the show!!! I posted it on Facebook and I’ve got some positive responds from my friends :)
    PS: I think it will be very interesting to hear how all the names are pronounced. I am from Poland but I live in UK so in my head there was a stange mixture of English with a Slavic touch.

  155. Mormegil
    Posted November 29, 2010 at 7:33 am | Permalink

    After looking at some stills I noticed you can see baby Barra and her mother watching the fight between Ned and Jaime.

  156. dander
    Posted November 29, 2010 at 7:38 am | Permalink

    The thing that amazes me is the Clegene fight.
    Usually sword play on movies and series when a man swings at his opponent you often see that they try to hit the opponents sword.
    Look carefully on the Gregor’s swing.
    You cant tell that it is going for The hound sword it rather is aiming down towards Flowers. I think this is pretty amazing!

  157. Bard of Awen
    Posted November 29, 2010 at 7:53 am | Permalink

    Regarding the beheading of Will versus Gared…. It would not surprise me in the slightest if Gared was removed entirely from the final script. You don’t need three rangers in the prologue scene. You need one ranger with experience–scared because he knows something is not right–and you need his young, arrogant commanding officer. A third ranger is superfluous.

    I haven’t seen the pilot, nor have I read the script, but I suspect it was either reshot or simply edited in such a way that Gared was completely removed. My guess is it was done to trim the scene so that we get to the important characters that much faster. I can see the powers that be watching that scene and saying, “Why are we spending so much time with these characters, when they are all dead within the first 5 min?”

  158. Dom
    Posted November 29, 2010 at 8:13 am | Permalink

    Bard of Awen:

    I don’t think that’s the case – we still have a Gared in the cast.

  159. reedgirl
    Posted November 29, 2010 at 8:17 am | Permalink

    That’s a PUNCH, not a slap! I don’t think Tyrion hits Joffrey in book 1 at all – if he does, enlighten me svp! This looks like it was at the tournament. Maybe an added scene to show Tyrion in a ‘positive’ or ‘just’ light? (.44 seconds). Looks like a hell of a wollop there.

  160. Rinso
    Posted November 29, 2010 at 8:27 am | Permalink

    Bard of Awen,

    The prologue is important, because it gives us everything we need to know about the grand conflict in ASoIaF – not the one between the Lannisters and the Starks, but the one between the humans and the Others.The way it was written in the leaked pilot script, it wasn’t even revealed that when someone is killed by the Others, he becomes a wight. Instead of Will watching from the tree how the Others butcher Ser Weymar and then, when he tries to leave, Ser Weymar goes zombie and kills him, we had Will and Ser Weymar standing side by side as the Others approach them before fading to black. That change, aside from being irksome from a conservative point of view, completely obliterates the fact that a man killed by an Other becomes a zombie. And why is that important? Because by the end of Season 1, we have two of those zombies attacking the Night Watch. That’s the culmination of Jon’s story in the first book. When in the book, the Night Watch finds the two dead men with blackened hands and changed eye color and brigns them in Castle Black, we know that something bad is going to happen because we read the prologue. We know that they are going to raise. But if the effect that Others have on their victims is not explained (and it wasn’t in the leaked script), that scene is going to look like it’s totally out of the blue.

  161. Dom
    Posted November 29, 2010 at 8:35 am | Permalink

    reedgirl: I don’t think Tyrion hits Joffrey in book 1 at all – if he does, enlighten me svp!.    

    Yes, he does. In Winterfell, just after Bran’s fall – Joffrey says he doesn’t care for the kid, nor for the wailing of women, and Tyrion promptly slaps him and orders him to go and pay his respects to Cat

  162. Nico
    Posted November 29, 2010 at 8:35 am | Permalink

    Rinoa De la Pica,

    They haven’t translated the written material as well as I had hoped, and what I have seen so far comes across more “Legend of the Seeker” than “Deadwood” or “Rome”.

  163. persephone88
    Posted November 29, 2010 at 8:37 am | Permalink

    Rinso

    I loved the trailer, love the color palettes and the bluey look to the northern scenes. The cinematography looks great, and props to the sound guys – those clashing swords and old Nan’s whispery voice over added a lot.

    Only a few qualms – I think it’s a shame that we are not seeing the lavishly decked out “golden Lannisters” from the book. I wish they’d done a different job with NCW’s hair – he’s very handsome, roguish and rugged, but I always thought of Jamie as being handsome in an almost pretty way, with the long golden hair like his twin. Even Tyrion’s hair has been blonded a bit but Jamie’s just looks sort of dull brown and so short. Joff’s is also very short, though nicely blonde. I recall a part in the book where Robb or Jon are remarking that Joff looks girlish, but the short hair kind of nixes that.

    At first I found Drogo’s beard a bit startling – but Jason Momoa is VERY attractive, and the beard roughs him up a bit and makes him look more imposing, and I think it will work. Loved seeing the brief spots with he and Dany.

    I was also taken aback by Ned’s “I was trained to kill” line. WTH? That does not at all seem like Ned Stark thing to say, but maybe in the full context of the scene it will work. Cersei is very understated, which may work well as a build up to her crazy coming out later on.

    Also sad that the Ned / Jaime confrontation was not done in the rain. The last bit with Ned and Jory, I think, feels even more poignant with the rain washing over them. Maybe a post-production add on?

    Loved Old Nan, loved Bran – Isaac seems born for the part, and brings Bran to life beautifully, the Clegane fight looks super, as do Tyrion’s scenes and those with Ned and Cat. I think Dany will be lovely and do a fine job. Wish we’d seen more of Arya, Sansa and the wolves, and a little more of the political machinations, maybe some Varys or Littlefinger?

    I think the clip brought across the war / medieval feel beautifully but a little more of the intrigue would be appealing to a lot of potential viewers who aren’t into the historical / fantasy fiction thing. Can’t wait to see the making of show next week!

    Overall, THANK YOU, HBO for all the details and the marvelous casting you’ve done on this show. It looks like it is going to be stunning.

  164. Cornslayer
    Posted November 29, 2010 at 8:37 am | Permalink

    reedgirl,

    IIRC Tyrion slapped Joffrey only in book 1. Even he can’t do that to a king.

    “The Stark boy is nothing to me,” Joffrey said. “I cannot abide the wailing of women.” Tyrion Lannister reached up and slapped his nephew hard across the face. [...]“I’m going to tell Mother!” Tyrion hit him again.

    Tyrion rules!
    And Dinklage IS Tyrion!

  165. Cornslayer
    Posted November 29, 2010 at 8:39 am | Permalink

    Cornslayer,

    Too late ;)

  166. Jarmel
    Posted November 29, 2010 at 8:45 am | Permalink

    Main issue I have is again with Cersei as she doesn’t fit my image at bloody all in how I imagined her in the books. Also I’m so used to Heady as a brunette and think she looks better as one, that it’s hard to adjust to her as a blonde.

  167. ablaaa
    Posted November 29, 2010 at 8:48 am | Permalink

    Rinoa De la Pica,

    Hello again. You’re hot.

    Sorry, couldn’t resist. : P~~~

  168. ablaaa
    Posted November 29, 2010 at 8:51 am | Permalink

    “Do you understand why I had to kill him”, with an emphasis on the “I”, Mr. Bean. Make sure to get that.

    Jaime scene too bright.

    Hair/eye colors need fixing. Bran has auburn, not dark hair.

  169. Cornslayer
    Posted November 29, 2010 at 8:56 am | Permalink

    Could it be that Sansa is taller than Joffrey?
    Because, that could make the picture a bit weird… didn’t she fall for him because he was tall and comely?

  170. The Winter Rose
    Posted November 29, 2010 at 8:58 am | Permalink

    OMG! Soooo awesome. Loving what I am seeing so far. Everything looks so good.
    Dany looks so pretty, though I do wish they would add the violet color to her eyes, personally.

    Not sure how I feel about Cersei yet. I’m just going to have to wait and see, I guess. Everyone else looks great.
    Oh man, so psyched about this! <3

  171. m4st4
    Posted November 29, 2010 at 9:02 am | Permalink

    Aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaarrrgh! …just saying. :P THIS IS… ASTONISHING!

    And yeah, all the so called ”problems”, guess what, don’t care…Getting myself HBO because of this.

    Cersei <3

  172. Juhan
    Posted November 29, 2010 at 9:03 am | Permalink

    The only thing that sucks is that my mental images of the characters are starting to be over-written by the actors’ faces…

  173. Linayus
    Posted November 29, 2010 at 9:08 am | Permalink

    It looks AWESOME!!!

  174. Zack
    Posted November 29, 2010 at 9:17 am | Permalink

    Rinso:
    The things I disliked:
    - the “I was trained to kill” line from Ned. No, he wasn’t. That’s for Jaime, or the Cleganes, or, heck, even Drogo. He actually was trained to follow, being the second son of Lord Rickard and Robert’s yesman. What I suspected from the leaked pilot, is now almost confirmed in my eyes – they will try to amplify the “badassery” of Ned Stark. Not really fond of the idea.

    How many men would want to *admit* they were intended to be mere followers? All that line indicates for me is that we’ve got a Ned whose understanding of himself is at odds with the reality of the situation. Which, naturally, doesn’t seem so much like a flaw as a character trait.

    Not that you couldn’t end up being right about it in the end. I just think it’s to early to be able to make that call for sure.

  175. Porcupine Tree
    Posted November 29, 2010 at 9:23 am | Permalink

    John Engedal, Team Tyrion,

    It’s my birthday today! WHAT a birthday present! I’m delerious with joy! And it is forecast to snow here tonight, Winter is definitely on its way…

    And thanks to all previous posters, you’ve said so much that I agree with.

    Please, HBO, you’ve got to sort out the eye-colour issue, it’s too important to mess up.

  176. Wastrel
    Posted November 29, 2010 at 9:30 am | Permalink

    Reposting what I said at the end of the last thread:

    ————

    That was actually pretty cool.

    Things I didn’t like:
    - I cringed at the “No… I was trained to KILL!!!” line
    - the execution scene is a bit too grey. I’m fine with them going for ‘arty’ but I think that’s a bit too much. You can give the impression of bleakness just by having that terrain, you don’t need near-monochrome too. Greyish, yes, but not GREY.
    - either this was made early on or there really isn’t a lot of fighting in the series – ie, the battles aren’t just minimised, they’re completely off-screen. I say that because they were clearly desparate for every scrap of weaponry, but couldn’t do better than some teenagers practicing in a yard.
    - not sure if the Gratuitous Lesbian Sex Scene is a brilliant thing to put in the trailer or a rather embarrassing one.
    - is this post-production stuff? I though I saw what I thought was Jaime with very dark brown hair, which surely can’t be intentional?
    - don’t know why, but I really didn’t like Cersei. She doesn’t seem real to me. Partly appearance, partly behaviour, which seems too polished, to me. Can’t see this Cersei giving the “such a dearth of good sacking songs” line. But, who knows, we’ve only seen stills and seconds.
    - Still don’t like the samurai. More than I did at first, but still not. Not so much the Asianness now, more the ugliness and weirdness. Can see why they needn’t a distinctive style for the baddies, though, when you’ve got that many men in armour.
    - Old Nan (?) was too cliche, cheesy and annoying.
    - The “fear is for the winter” – “winter is coming” punchline: both lines are good (though still don’t get the chuckle?), but put right next to each other at the end it’s a bit too cheesy.

    Things I did like:
    - the music. I know the second half is standard trailer music, but is the first half? It’s nothing like what I’d have thought of for the series, but I thought the low-key minimalism thing actually worked quite well, and I’d be OK with that sort of thing for the series. Better than LOTResque honey-and-thunder music, anyway.
    - Robert. I’m not 100% convinced yet, but I thought Addy managed to do “gruff, likeable ordinary guy who is also very serious and not to be taken lightly” quite well in his line. In the past I’ve heard Addy’s voice lighter and more bouyant; I thought here he managed to put some more years and foreboding and muscle into it.
    - The contrast between North and South. The first series will actually be fairly lacking in clear Us vs Them conflicts for the viewers to latch onto (yes, the Lannisters are Not To Be Trusted, but for a lot of the series they’re not actually The Enemy in an existential sense), and they need to find ways to compensate for this. I suspect they may play up the Stark-Baratheon-Lannister vs Targaryen aspect (the “war is coming” element), and they’re also clearly playing up the “North” vs “South”, cinematically as in the plot. So long as they don’t overdo it, I think this can be quite a powerful way of both enjoining us to oppose the decadent south and to make Ned look out of place and surrounded.
    - the choice of Big Line for Ned: “the man who passes the sentence should swing the sword”. It’s better than the one about fear. It’s less cliche, and it really establishes a moral tone for Ned (non-decadent, hard, dutiful, but not callous), and for the world (where this sort of behaviour is necessary).

    Overall, I’m cautious about the series, but I thought that was a pretty good trailer both for fans and for ordinary viewers. I think it’s wise to emphasise the darkness, and the fear/horror aspect of the series, in trailers even if it’s hard to do in the series itself (except through foreshadowing).

  177. Jenny
    Posted November 29, 2010 at 9:39 am | Permalink

    I’m surprised people are unhappy about Cersei, I think she looks just perfect, right age, right aristocratic features, intelligent (for now)…

    I agree as a teaser for the non-fan this was perfect.

    I suppose the trouble with Jaime’s long blonde mane would’ve been an overall “Fabio” result in the end… and I think the most important feature in Jaime (as well as in Cersei) is this superelegant, highly attractive arrogant confidence which Pamela Anderson hair never conveys… ;D

  178. Hollyoak
    Posted November 29, 2010 at 9:44 am | Permalink

    I’m speechless. Misty-eyes, just like the first time I saw Lord of the Rings trailer.

  179. The_Rabbit
    Posted November 29, 2010 at 9:45 am | Permalink

    Jenny,

    Amen!

  180. Bastard
    Posted November 29, 2010 at 9:46 am | Permalink

    Am i the only one who loved the helmets of the lanister gurds? they reminded me a little of the helmets in ancient greec but with a mideval update and they look mean which is nice. The tralier looks very good but i cant draw conclusion about the show from that. need more material.

  181. Game of Thrones
    Posted November 29, 2010 at 9:50 am | Permalink

    WOW…Its awesome…Just cant wait for the series to premiere…HBO u have once again proved that u can produce quality shows !! :)

  182. Ed
    Posted November 29, 2010 at 9:53 am | Permalink

    Wow – that’s a lot of negativity. I respect your opinions (we’ve all got them), but it’s almost as if you’re going out of your way to find things not to like. If you (or anybody else) WANTS to find stuff to annoy them / cringe at / dislike, there’s plenty to go around, but why would you want to ? Just let it ride and enjoy it Wastrel! :)

    In something THIS epic, they can’t hit every one of Wastrel’s personal approval benchmarks. SOME things will not make it unfortunately.

    Wastrel: Reposting what I said at the end of the last thread:————That was actually pretty cool.Things I didn’t like:
    - I cringed at the “No… I was trained to KILL!!!” line
    - the execution scene is a bit too grey. I’m fine with them going for ‘arty’ but I think that’s a bit too much. You can give the impression of bleakness just by having that terrain, you don’t need near-monochrome too. Greyish, yes, but not GREY.
    - either this was made early on or there really isn’t a lot of fighting in the series – ie, the battles aren’t just minimised, they’re completely off-screen. I say that because they were clearly desparate for every scrap of weaponry, but couldn’t do better than some teenagers practicing in a yard.
    - not sure if the Gratuitous Lesbian Sex Scene is a brilliant thing to put in the trailer or a rather embarrassing one.
    - is this post-production stuff? I though I saw what I thought was Jaime with very dark brown hair, which surely can’t be intentional?
    - don’t know why, but I really didn’t like Cersei. She doesn’t seem real to me. Partly appearance, partly behaviour, which seems too polished, to me. Can’t see this Cersei giving the “such a dearth of good sacking songs” line. But, who knows, we’ve only seen stills and seconds.
    - Still don’t like the samurai. More than I did at first, but still not. Not so much the Asianness now, more the ugliness and weirdness. Can see why they needn’t a distinctive style for the baddies, though, when you’ve got that many men in armour.
    - Old Nan (?) was too cliche, cheesy and annoying.
    - The “fear is for the winter” – “winter is coming” punchline: both lines are good (though still don’t get the chuckle?), but put right next to each other at the end it’s a bit too cheesy.Things I did like:
    - the music. I know the second half is standard trailer music, but is the first half? It’s nothing like what I’d have thought of for the series, but I thought the low-key minimalism thing actually worked quite well, and I’d be OK with that sort of thing for the series. Better than LOTResque honey-and-thunder music, anyway.
    - Robert. I’m not 100% convinced yet, but I thought Addy managed to do “gruff, likeable ordinary guy who is also very serious and not to be taken lightly” quite well in his line. In the past I’ve heard Addy’s voice lighter and more bouyant; I thought here he managed to put some more years and foreboding and muscle into it.
    - The contrast between North and South. The first series will actually be fairly lacking in clear Us vs Them conflicts for the viewers to latch onto (yes, the Lannisters are Not To Be Trusted, but for a lot of the series they’re not actually The Enemy in an existential sense), and they need to find ways to compensate for this. I suspect they may play up the Stark-Baratheon-Lannister vs Targaryen aspect (the “war is coming” element), and they’re also clearly playing up the “North” vs “South”, cinematically as in the plot. So long as they don’t overdo it, I think this can be quite a powerful way of both enjoining us to oppose the decadent south and to make Ned look out of place and surrounded.
    - the choice of Big Line for Ned: “the man who passes the sentence should swing the sword”. It’s better than the one about fear. It’s less cliche, and it really establishes a moral tone for Ned (non-decadent, hard, dutiful, but not callous), and for the world (where this sort of behaviour is necessary).Overall, I’m cautious about the series, but I thought that was a pretty good trailer both for fans and for ordinary viewers. I think it’s wise to emphasise the darkness, and the fear/horror aspect of the series, in trailers even if it’s hard to do in the series itself (except through foreshadowing).    

  183. aschen heaven
    Posted November 29, 2010 at 9:57 am | Permalink

    I…can’t…stop…spazzing…it’s TOO EPIC. I’m all speechless over the teaser, the awesomeness of the series itself will probably induce a nosebleed. XDD

    Jokes and constant spazz aside, I was most surprised by…Bran. He looks perfect, and he’ll definitely get my sympathy when he falls from the tower window. Makes me want to skip that scene…Damn you Jaime!! XP And Dany! Emilia Clarke has the perfect vulnerable, wide-eyed look, which is perfect for Dany’s character early in the books. I’ll definitely want to see how she tackles Dany’s character development into a stronger, wiser young woman with the queenly veneer.

    I can’t waiiiit for moooore XD

  184. Ed
    Posted November 29, 2010 at 9:57 am | Permalink

    Kinda hard to convey the delicious plot twists and characters in 30 seconds…
    :)

    Nico: Rinoa De la Pica,
    They haven’t translated the written material as well as I had hoped, and what I have seen so far comes across more “Legend of the Seeker” than “Deadwood” or “Rome”.    

  185. Tywin's Bastard
    Posted November 29, 2010 at 10:04 am | Permalink

    Fantastic trailer. It really looks like they will get this one right on so many levels, not least because most complaints are about fairly irrelevant things like the color of someone’s hair, or that some character was incorporated into another to tighten up the story for this format. Such things will happen. It will never be exactly like the books and, in all honesty, it shouldn’t be since it should be about telling a story in the best possible way for the format, not just to do a carbon copy. Carbon copy series often suffer quite a bit, which the makers and Martin himself have stated.

    The main bad thing about the trailer was that this far I had managed to keep my longing for it at an appropriate level. That’s all gone now and this will take up too much of my thinking processes for a while ahead.

  186. Jan Oda
    Posted November 29, 2010 at 10:05 am | Permalink

    Wastrel,
    Ooooh, I totally agree with you on the music. That first half was definitely better than anything I was expecting. I’ve been a fan of the HBO (and showtime in it’s earlier days) modern soundtracks, because they are so often tongue in cheeck and great finds and all that jazz. True Blood episodes are named after songs even, and I always thought that worked really well.
    The more intsrumental soundtracks of HBO have never really rocked my boat so far, but if it’s something like the first half of this trailer I see myself being very pleased with it.

    Music is a very important part of any screen production, and it’s always very hit or miss. It’s something I’m very anxious about. Oh and I’m not sure if it’s in season one, but the Rains of Castamere better be epic :)

  187. Blood
    Posted November 29, 2010 at 10:06 am | Permalink

    Ned was trained to kill, and he did kill, a lot. You can make arguments that Jaime was trained to kill more, or something like that, but it’s not really the point. Out of everyone in Westeros Ned is high up there on the “number of men killed” or “number of battles fought” list. Ned is badass even if that’s not his defining characteristic.

  188. Inkasrain
    Posted November 29, 2010 at 10:17 am | Permalink

    CorvusKeeper,
    Thanks! :-)

    Steel_Wind,

    I totally agree, and I have to say, I’m liking that decision (if that’s the way they end up going.) It’s a bit of a deviation, but I think it’s more important that the prologue set up the tone of the series rather than the plot, especially as it features no major or even recurring characters. To focus on realistic aspects and suggest–with plenty of room for doubt–the supernatural elements seems to me very fitting for a series where moral uncertainty is such a strong theme, and where magic lurks on the edges of the story.

    Plus, let’s face it, an unseen enemy is nearly always more terrifying than whatever is in front of you.

  189. Mormegil
    Posted November 29, 2010 at 10:18 am | Permalink

    Blood: Ned was trained to kill, and he did kill, a lot. You can make arguments that Jaime was trained to kill more, or something like that, but it’s not really the point. Out of everyone in Westeros Ned is high up there on the “number of men killed” or “number of battles fought” list. Ned is badass even if that’s not his defining characteristic.  Quote  Reply

    Yeah I don’t see the problem with this line. All Nobles would be taught to Fight and any fight they ended up in unless it was at a Tourney would likely be a fight to the death.

    So Ned saying he was trained to kill is perfectly correct.

    As you say Ned is regarded as a great fighter, not many people would survive a fight against 3 Kingsguard (even with 6 others on his side.)

  190. Steve
    Posted November 29, 2010 at 10:24 am | Permalink

    Gnah, I loved everything except for Kings Landing. I never imagined it would be this bright and shiny. If imagined Kings Landing much darker and more like midldle/northern European medieval cities. This looks just like Malta to me.
    The rest of it was great though!

  191. Steel_Wind
    Posted November 29, 2010 at 10:27 am | Permalink

    Blood,

    Indeed. Eddard Stark may not have been trained deliberately in the intrigues and diplomacy of the court, but he was trained in the sword from the youngest age. He was an excellent field general and, after all, he managed to take out Arthur Dayne et al., too. He’s no slouch with a blade; he simply does not take much overt pride in his skill with one.

    Eddard Stark is not a man trained to be anyone’s lap dog. He *was* trained to kill, indeed, as much as Jaime Lannister ever was. Unlike Lannister, Stark was not much of a tourney knight. But any deficiency in the comparisons ends right there.

  192. Shinyteapot
    Posted November 29, 2010 at 10:31 am | Permalink

    Blood,

    Fair point- though I imagine most young men in Westeros, certainly those of a noble background or with ambitions of joining a household guard or similar, would be trained to kill. And any soldier who survived Robert’s Rebellion no doubt did plenty of it.

    On another topic, just thinking how perfect Isaac is as Bran, it may be harder for the TV audience to start liking Jaime (or at least hating him less) than it was reading the books- and that’s a big deal itself- when each episode they’ll see Bran in his crippled state as a visual reminder of what Jaime did.

  193. Tusuri
    Posted November 29, 2010 at 10:38 am | Permalink

    Personnally I was pumped by the teaser/trailer. Liking the feel and ambience. There are certain things I am meh about, but even those aren’t enough to fill me with dread :).

    Also, and correct me if I’m wrong, aren’t trailers shown after post-production is ended or at least nearing its end? If so I’ll hold onto any judgement as some of those scenes will look different (if shown).

  194. Victoria Cole
    Posted November 29, 2010 at 10:40 am | Permalink

    Nico: Rinoa De la Pica, They haven’t translated the written material as well as I had hoped, and what I have seen so far comes across more “Legend of the Seeker” than “Deadwood” or “Rome”.  Quote  Reply

    You know what? I would rather the show look a little cheesy and cheap and last a long time. Than have it look gorgeous or 100% faithful to the description of the book and time period and see the show prematurely cancelled, because it’s too expensive. As long as it is well acted and follows the gist of the book I will be happy.

  195. sjwenings
    Posted November 29, 2010 at 10:44 am | Permalink

    Shinyteapot: Blood, Fair point- though I imagine most young men in Westeros, certainly those of a noble background or with ambitions of joining a household guard or similar, would be trained to kill. And any soldier who survived Robert’s Rebellion no doubt did plenty of it. On another topic, just thinking how perfect Isaac is as Bran, it may be harder for the TV audience to start liking Jaime (or at least hating him less) than it was reading the books- and that’s a big deal itself- when each episode they’ll see Bran in his crippled state as a visual reminder of what Jaime did.  Quote  Reply

    Regarding the Bran/Jaime-thing: I don’t think it was ever mentioned explicitly in the books that if Robert found out about the twincest he would almost certainly kill both of them, and their kids as well. It seems like it would be enough to mention that fact to make the viewers understand his actions to some degree.

  196. Wastrel
    Posted November 29, 2010 at 10:48 am | Permalink

    Ed: I’m sorry, did I say “this doesn’t meet all of my preconceptions therefore I hate it and it’s shit”? No, I said it was pretty good and overall a good trailor. So I’m not sure why you feel you have to lecture me like a six year old about how I can’t expect everything to be perfect. Because I kind of fucking know that and made it explicit in my post. You tell me to “enjoy the ride” – which part of “that was pretty cool” did you read as demonstrating my LACK of enjoyment?

    I LIKED IT, OK? YOU DON’T HAVE TO BURN ME AT A STAKE. I just didn’t think it was absolutely completely perfect and orgasmic and brain-melting, because a) nothing’s perfect, and b) I’ve never seen anything ever that’s made me have a fit it was so good. Clearly I’m in a minority here, but that’s just the way I am. There were a few things I wasn’t sure about in that trailor, and I mentioned them, to compare views with other people. Feel free to ignore me, I didn’t force you to read. It was clearly labelled as a list of things I didn’t like. I also gave a list of things I DID like to balance it out.

    I also somewhat resent being accused of having ulterior motives like “going out of my way to find things” I don’t like. As though we have to be mad or duplicitous to suggest that it wasn’t exactly ina ccordance with everything we wanted.

    ———————

    Re Ned’s line: Ned doesn’t exist, he’s only a character in a piece of fiction. I point this out, because while it’s important the fiction is coherent, and can be evaluated in those terms, it must also be evaluated as a piece of fiction. A guy saying “no, I was trained… to KILL!!!!!” in a piece of fiction is cheesy, cliche, melodramatic, boring, overdone, simplistic… pick your adjective. In in-world terms it may be perfectly true, but no amount of research on medieval education systems will make it a good line to hook people who are likely to already be skeptical of a ‘fantasy’ series. The choice of that line for a trailor also seems to indicate an unhelpful rewriting of the main character toward a cliche ‘badass’ character.

    In case you’re confused how this fits with previous comments I’ve made: piece of fiction have to work both within their world AND as fiction in our world. No amount of in-world justification makes something out-of-world powerful fiction, just as no amount of out-of-world justification makes something good in-world coherence. And fiction needs both coherence and dramatic power. [Or rather, coherence and dramatic form produce dramatic power]

  197. Mike
    Posted November 29, 2010 at 10:54 am | Permalink

    My friend at work who hasn’t read the books just watched the trailer – his exact words: “it had me at ‘a man who passes a sentence should swing the sword’ ” – he’s already sold”

  198. VirulentShadow
    Posted November 29, 2010 at 11:03 am | Permalink

    Rinso,

    I don’t have time to reply to all your points, but your objection to Ned’s line caught my eye…

    You don’t think the head of a a major noble house (the one in charge of the whole of the North) was trained to kill? How did he survive the Tower of Joy? Why did he conduct his own executions? How was he one of Robert’s main bannermen? Of course he was trained to kill!

    I think your objection may be in the persona of Ned, here… but even that doesn’t make sense. Ned shows himself not only capable of killing, but duty-bound to do it (think Lady).

  199. Molda
    Posted November 29, 2010 at 11:05 am | Permalink

    I absolutely love this trailer and the reasons are obvious from comments of almost everyone, BUT i don’t get the Ned’s line when he says “I was trained to kill” ??!!
    Can somebody tell me what it’s about? Because i’ve read the series several times and this line seems to me like from other universe, not from Ned’s mouth. Very weird.

  200. Jenny
    Posted November 29, 2010 at 11:07 am | Permalink

    Steve: Gnah, I loved everything except for Kings Landing. I never imagined it would be this bright and shiny. If imagined Kings Landing much darker and more like midldle/northern European medieval cities. This looks just like Malta to me.
    The rest of it was great though!    

    Well, if you keep it strictly medieval, there were no “big cities” in northern Europe in the middle ages. What big cities were there in the high middle ages?
    Rome, Constantinopel, Venice, Jerusalem…
    There were some cities in the far north but they were not residences of Kings.
    They were our “Pentos” if you will – Northern Germany, Baltics, Hanseatic League if you will but still they were really SMALL.

  201. Zafri Mollon
    Posted November 29, 2010 at 11:08 am | Permalink

    Yeah not particularly thrilled with the “I was trained to kill” line, but whatevs. Still excited to see how it all turns out.

  202. loco73
    Posted November 29, 2010 at 11:12 am | Permalink

    “Fear is for…the winter!” , there is not much I can say, except….wowwwww! Then I have to wipe the few tears that did spring while watching the trailer the umpteenth time! Yeah, I shed a few and not ashamed of it! Not since the LOTR trilogy, has something soo exciting been on the horizon! “The Walking Dead” and the promise of “Game Of Thrones” are among the few shows that keep me wanting to watch TV!

    Oh I can’t wait to add this wonderful show to my HBO collection, right up there with “ROME”, “The Wire”, “John Adams”, “Band Of Brothers”, “The Pacific”, “Spawn”, “Elizabeth I”….

    Now that “The Tudors” has ended…if people a jonesing from a hit of epic stuff, take a chance on “The Pilars Of The Earth” miniseries, not bad at all… Oh and check out the redband/restricted trailer for “Your Highness”…let’s just say that Natalie Portman’s ass deserves its own movie!!!! LOL

  203. Tysnow
    Posted November 29, 2010 at 11:13 am | Permalink

    I so love this trailer, but so far HBO’s teasers have been geared toward the medieval/war epic feel, they need to create a teaser that is geared toward the female audience (romance, buff men, women talking) and palace intrique and mystery.

  204. Jenny
    Posted November 29, 2010 at 11:15 am | Permalink

    Tysnow: I so love this trailer, but so far HBO’s teasers have been geared toward the medieval/war epic feel, they need to create a teaser that is geared toward the female audience (romance, buff men, women talking) and palace intrique and mystery.    

    Yeah! NCW in a six pack shot should do the trick…

  205. HJ
    Posted November 29, 2010 at 11:16 am | Permalink

    If you’re routinely posting 700-word responses to blog posts, you should probably start a blog of your own.

    Very, very far away.

  206. sjwenings
    Posted November 29, 2010 at 11:29 am | Permalink

    Tysnow: I so love this trailer, but so far HBO’s teasers have been geared toward the medieval/war epic feel, they need to create a teaser that is geared toward the female audience (romance, buff men, women talking) and palace intrique and mystery.  Quote  Reply

    Agreed. Though with a trailer as short as this it’s probably appropriate to make it more pow, pow, action and epic. The intrigues and such needs more time to drag us in, so that would be for the longer upcoming trailers.

  207. dizzy_34
    Posted November 29, 2010 at 11:29 am | Permalink

    Bard of Awen: Because by the end of Season 1, we have two of those zombies attacking the Night Watch. That’s the culmination of Jon’s story in the first book. When in the book, the Night Watch finds the two dead men with blackened hands and changed eye color and brigns them in Castle Black, we know that something bad is going to happen because we read the prologue. We know that they are going to raise. But if the effect that Others have on their victims is not explained (and it wasn’t in the leaked script), that scene is going to look like it’s totally out of the blue. Rinso

    I think that makes sense if the scene is still like it is in the script. It doesn’t bother me in the slightest to have Will be the one that’s executed. I would however like to see one of the brothers come back as a wight in the prologue.

  208. Spencer Ellsworth
    Posted November 29, 2010 at 11:31 am | Permalink

    Awesome. Couldn’t ask for a better opening scene.

    Around 0:47–that’s not Headey, is it? I thought it might be the tower scene, with Cersei catching Bran’s eye as she bangs her brother.

  209. OhDanyBoy
    Posted November 29, 2010 at 11:40 am | Permalink

    Tysnow: I so love this trailer, but so far HBO’s teasers have been geared toward the medieval/war epic feel, they need to create a teaser that is geared toward the female audience (romance, buff men, women talking) and palace intrique and mystery.    

    I would love to see a series of character-based trailers to lead up to the show’s release: i.e. ‘The Lannisters,’ ‘The Starks,’ ‘The Targaryens.’ Or even broken down character by character – maybe these would have to be little 30 second spots, so as not to give away too much from each character’s storyline.

    Spencer Ellsworth: Awesome. Couldn’t ask for a better opening scene.Around 0:47–that’s not Headey, is it? I thought it might be the tower scene, with Cersei catching Bran’s eye as she bangs her brother.    

    That was Ros, a prostitute in Tyrion’s introduction scene in King’s Landing (added for the show).

  210. Fluke200
    Posted November 29, 2010 at 11:42 am | Permalink

    Wastrel,

    Please do not take this as a personal attack, because that is not the spirit I intending in writing this, but I profoundly disagree with your assessment of the “I was trained to kill” line.

    I find your characterization of the line

    “A guy saying “no, I was trained… to KILL!!!!!” in a piece of fiction is cheesy, cliche, melodramatic, boring, overdone, simplistic… pick your adjective”

    to be simplistic itself, because in doing so you remove the cool, matter-of-fact subtlety with which the line is delivered. While seeing “I was trained to kill” written out in bald text might immediately suggest a more Rambo-styled action flick, you do a disservice to Sean Bean to disregard his delivery of that text.

    A good actor can take any line and make it suggest a hundred entirely different things, a fact which I believe Mr. Bean illustrates in his delivery of this line. To suggest otherwise seems to me to cast aspersions on the talent of the actor and his ability to give a nuanced performance of a character through a given text.

    Of course, this is just my opinion, but it is an opinion just as valid as yours.

  211. Mavis
    Posted November 29, 2010 at 11:50 am | Permalink

    As to the “I was trained to Kill” comment. I believe that is right BEFORE the tourney, when they are wondering why Ned doesnt fight in the Melee. He says he doesnt fight “pretent” battles. When he fights, he fights to kill. So I think that scence is exactly in line with the books.

  212. Rinso
    Posted November 29, 2010 at 11:51 am | Permalink

    VirulentShadow,

    1) Ned was never raised and trained to be the head of the major noble house. He was a second son and his elder brother died not so long before the beginning of the first book (at about the same time when the war with the Targaryens began; it actually began, in part, because of this).
    2) He survived at the Tower of Joy, in part, with sheer luck, and in part, because he and his men outnumbered the Kingsguard knights. Specifically about Arthur Dayne, by Ned’s own admission, he would have died at Dayne’s hand if not for Howland Reed’s help.
    3) As one of Robert’s main bannermen, he wasn’t trained or expected to kill, but to rule. And conducting executions is not what I’m talking about and probably not what he implied with this line in the footage.

    It just feels like they’re trying to mold the show’s Ned into something he wasn’t in the books. And that’s not something I picked up from the trailer; it was evident from as early as the leaked pilot script. The trailer just kinda confirmed it.

  213. garik16
    Posted November 29, 2010 at 11:56 am | Permalink

    Did we know already that Valyrian Steel was going to look like ordinary steel in the series? (Ice, clearly visible in the trailer, looks like a normal sword).

  214. Jim Higgitt
    Posted November 29, 2010 at 11:58 am | Permalink

    Loved the trailer as a whole, any misgivings I have are incredibly minor an don’t worry me really. I think it is a bit sad that they removed Bran’s belief that they killed Gared (or indeed Will as is the case here) because he was a wildling. It gave him a bit of innocence in the books, but I guess it’s not really a big deal.

    In the later half of the of the cli[, where Ned is looking at directly at the camera for a bit and looks very forlorn, I am going to guess that it is when he, Cat and Maester Luwin read Lysa’s hidden letter and he realises that he must take up Robert’s offer of being Hand. In the scene, you can see a fuzzy women to the left and a fuzzy man to the right, who I think will turn out to be Cat and Luwin respectively. Anyone agree or have different thoughts? Fun games to be had….

  215. Mavis
    Posted November 29, 2010 at 11:58 am | Permalink

    Mavis,

    “Pretend Battles”. Sorry.

    There will be a lot more context to that scene that will make it sound much better ( for us who have read the book). I think they are just trying to show Ned’s character to a wider audience with that trailer. (hey they threw in some fanboy stuff for us with the Tyrion slap, so I have no problem with them pandering to an outside audience with “Hey, Sean Bean is kind of a badass”)

  216. alan777
    Posted November 29, 2010 at 12:01 pm | Permalink

    garik16: Did we know already that Valyrian Steel was going to look like ordinary steel in the series?(Ice,clearly visible in the trailer, looks like a normal sword).    

    A lot of us are hoping that the whole “Valyrian Steel” look is added in during post production with effects, which would actually be rather easy. Like Dany’s lavender eyes it is one of the small but important details that are missing. :(

  217. Ed
    Posted November 29, 2010 at 12:02 pm | Permalink

    Ummm, ok.

    Wastrel: Ed: I’m sorry, did I say “this doesn’t meet all of my preconceptions therefore I hate it and it’s shit”? No, I said it was pretty good and overall a good trailor. So I’m not sure why you feel you have to lecture me like a six year old about how I can’t expect everything to be perfect. Because I kind of fucking know that and made it explicit in my post. You tell me to “enjoy the ride” – which part of “that was pretty cool” did you read as demonstrating my LACK of enjoyment?I LIKED IT, OK? YOU DON’T HAVE TO BURN ME AT A STAKE. I just didn’t think it was absolutely completely perfect and orgasmic and brain-melting, because a) nothing’s perfect, and b) I’ve never seen anything ever that’s made me have a fit it was so good. Clearly I’m in a minority here, but that’s just the way I am. There were a few things I wasn’t sure about in that trailor, and I mentioned them, to compare views with other people. Feel free to ignore me, I didn’t force you to read. It was clearly labelled as a list of things I didn’t like.I also gave a list of things I DID like to balance it out.I also somewhat resent being accused of having ulterior motives like “going out of my way to find things” I don’t like. As though we have to be mad or duplicitous to suggest that it wasn’t exactly ina ccordance with everything we wanted.———————Re Ned’s line: Ned doesn’t exist, he’s only a character in a piece of fiction. I point this out, because while it’s important the fiction is coherent, and can be evaluated in those terms, it must also be evaluated as a piece of fiction. A guy saying “no, I was trained… to KILL!!!!!” in a piece of fiction is cheesy, cliche, melodramatic, boring, overdone, simplistic… pick your adjective. In in-world terms it may be perfectly true, but no amount of research on medieval education systems will make it a good line to hook people who are likely to already be skeptical of a ‘fantasy’ series. The choice of that line for a trailor also seems to indicate an unhelpful rewriting of the main character toward a cliche ‘badass’ character.In case you’re confused how this fits with previous comments I’ve made: piece of fiction have to work both within their world AND as fiction in our world. No amount of in-world justification makes something out-of-world powerful fiction, just as no amount of out-of-world justification makes something good in-world coherence. And fiction needs both coherence and dramatic power. [Or rather, coherence and dramatic form produce dramatic power]    

  218. Julian
    Posted November 29, 2010 at 12:03 pm | Permalink

    Can’t believe no of you mentioned the beheaded horse during the Clegane brothers fight. Attention to details like that make me wanna see the series more.

  219. Jim Higgitt
    Posted November 29, 2010 at 12:07 pm | Permalink

    *clip

    Hmm, me need edit.

  220. Jan Oda
    Posted November 29, 2010 at 12:08 pm | Permalink

    Tysnow: I so love this trailer, but so far HBO’s teasers have been geared toward the medieval/war epic feel, they need to create a teaser that is geared toward the female audience (romance, buff men, women talking) and palace intrique and mystery

    Romance? Romance? Why on earth would you make a romantic trailer for something that very much isn’t about romance? Where almost all sexual contacts are morally questionable, or between unequals, or simply paid for. As for the talking women, while GRRM writes some pretty strong and interesting females, most don’t show their badassery while doing embroidery – at least not in the first season – so what would be the use of that?

    What makes you think females can’t be tempted to watch the show for what it is, a sort of medieval war epic with loads of political intrigue. If they want to attract a female audience looking for romance, those would probably drop the show soon anyway, so I don’t really see the use for it.

    I think this trailer really does well at setting the tone of what it’s all about. I wouldn’t mind a trailer focused more on the political intrigues, but at the other hand that might give away too much already.

    As for the buff men, both Jaime and Jon looked delicious in this one, and for those looking for buff men, Drogo looked awesome on that horse (I am a firm believer that everyone looks more sexy on a horse).

    So please, keep the trailers as gritty and grim as the series is, I’m sure there’s plenty of girls like me who enjoy that as much as the average male.

  221. Julian
    Posted November 29, 2010 at 12:08 pm | Permalink

    none of you, i mean

  222. Julian
    Posted November 29, 2010 at 12:10 pm | Permalink

    This sounds kinda gay, but where’s my man Robb Stark…I wanna see him in action or something :D

  223. Bilbo
    Posted November 29, 2010 at 12:12 pm | Permalink

    F Robb Stark, where’s MY man Janos Slynt?! MEN OF THE CITY WATCH!!!!!!!!!!

  224. The Dragon Demands
    Posted November 29, 2010 at 12:12 pm | Permalink

    Amazing.

    Only so much you can fit in one minute, but I really look forward to hearing actual speaking lines from Daenerys.

    Joffrey looks like the boy you love to hate (as we should)

    OMG Ned’s famous opening line.

    Jaime’s utter confidence drawing a sword utterly matches the best knight in Westeros: there are no men like him, there’s only him.

    Fire and blood!

  225. Inkasrain
    Posted November 29, 2010 at 12:15 pm | Permalink

    Jim Higgitt: think it is a bit sad that they removed Bran’s belief that they killed Gared (or indeed Will as is the case here) because he was a wildling.

    They may have left this out, but I wouldn’t write it off entirely until we see the full scene. The dialogue between Ned and Bran seemed a bit chopped to get to the point (as happens in most trailers) so Bran’s innocent comments may still be in this scene, or perhaps another slightly earlier one.

    alan777: Like Dany’s lavender eyes it is one of the small but important details that are missing.

    I’m sure I’m in the minority here, but I’m liking Dany’s gray eyes. They’re appropriate for her title of “Stormborn”, and I think they’ll pick up colors around her–especially purple– very nicely. It’s extra-canonical, obviously, so I get why people aren’t pleased, but to me it’s a nice balance of the fantastical Targaryens with the constraints of reality.

  226. Ed
    Posted November 29, 2010 at 12:16 pm | Permalink

    Heh – a lot of people did Julian. (scroll up)

    Julian: Can’t believe no of you mentioned the beheaded horse during the Clegane brothers fight. Attention to details like that make me wanna see the series more.    

  227. Tusuri
    Posted November 29, 2010 at 12:16 pm | Permalink

    Just to comment one thing: it is just a teaser, a longer and meatie teaser, but a teaser just the same. What I mean by this is that maybe, just maybe, all the details that have some of us complaining, or at least nitpicking, will be added during post-production, or that lines said may well change due to context and way of delivery. After all, it is just a teaser.

    And now, just to get it off my chest: I am NOT TOO FOND of the helmets worn by the Lannisters.

    And a question: in the scene where Ned and Jaime fight, is that the brothel? I ask because I had the feeling that Ned wouldn’t be caught dead coming out of a brothel in broad daylight, even if he was there investigating.

  228. Julian
    Posted November 29, 2010 at 12:18 pm | Permalink

    Ah, thank for pointing that out Ed :D

    Does any one else STILL have doubts about Lena Heady as Cersei, cuz she looks pretty hot in the trailer!!

  229. DyNasty9
    Posted November 29, 2010 at 12:20 pm | Permalink

    Those are Lannister men in the woods it would appear from the armor.
    HBO is awesome! Thanks D & D and the staff at HBO for putting this together for us.

  230. Ed
    Posted November 29, 2010 at 12:21 pm | Permalink

    I’m really digging the sword fights, they seem very powerful and vicious, not like a scripted fake.

    For a good laugh, go back and watch the light saber duel in the original Star Wars. Ugh.

    This is gonna be awesome.

    I agree with you Loco73, this will be an awesome addition to my DVD collection.

  231. Bilbo
    Posted November 29, 2010 at 12:21 pm | Permalink

    I LOVE how pissed off Pyp looks when he swinging his sword at Jon. I hope the guy who plays him gets some good screen time.

    Jon vs Pyp fight scene = intense

    P.S. I always thought that Jon and Grenn had some beef while fighting in the courtyard, but I guess the series will be showing Jon owning Pyp, Grenn, Haldar, and just about everyone else on the Wall.

  232. Bilbo
    Posted November 29, 2010 at 12:24 pm | Permalink

    Oh yeah one last thing: that scene of men walking through the forest with torches, is that the battle of whispering wood?

  233. fuelpagan
    Posted November 29, 2010 at 12:29 pm | Permalink

    I for one love the “I was trained to kill.” line from Ned. The character we’ve meet in the books is after many years of being Lord of Winterfell. He has kids now with the worries of providing for them. But I’m sorry, Ned is a badass! Just with a soft side. He was Roberts top general in the rebellion and later with the uprising on the Iron Islands. It was thanks to Ned’s battle strategy and skill that won the Iron Throne. It’s because of his soft side that Dany is still alive.

    It seem perfectly reasonable to me that Brandon was trained to rule, while Ned was trained to fight battles to protect the North’s interests. I wonder how events would have turned out if Brandon had sent Ned to rescue the father instead?

  234. OldGran
    Posted November 29, 2010 at 12:37 pm | Permalink

    Wow!! I am encouraged…HBO is,so far, getting right! Try to see it as if you had never read the books (over and over again). This would, IMO, make people sit up and take notice. WHAT was THAT? Winter is Coming? did anyone watch it with someone who is not a fan and what was the reaction?

  235. fuelpagan
    Posted November 29, 2010 at 12:39 pm | Permalink

    Ed,

    In all fairness, the original Star Wars was cutting edge SFX and Lucas was trying some Light Sabres that were fragile in order to try to get a cool effect. The effect didn’t work and they modified it to the colors we see today. But that still left them with actors being very gentle when striking each other. But it is funny!

  236. Lauren
    Posted November 29, 2010 at 12:39 pm | Permalink

    In spite of the slight disappointment at seeing Dany without violet eyes, I LOVED LOVED LOVED this teaser! :D

  237. paulgude
    Posted November 29, 2010 at 12:40 pm | Permalink
  238. Mormegil
    Posted November 29, 2010 at 12:59 pm | Permalink

    Bilbo: Oh yeah one last thing: that scene of men walking through the forest with torches, is that the battle of whispering wood?  Quote  Reply

    WW is unlikely to have been filmed yet.

    That scene is probably from the search for Arya after she runs off , I’ve seen it posted that there are Stark men there as well as Lannisters.

  239. OhDanyBoy
    Posted November 29, 2010 at 1:11 pm | Permalink

    fuelpagan: I for one love the “I was trained to kill.” line from Ned. The character we’ve meet in the books is after many years of being Lord of Winterfell. He has kids now with the worries of providing for them. But I’m sorry, Ned is a badass! Just with a soft side. He was Roberts top general in the rebellion and later with the uprising on the Iron Islands. It was thanks to Ned’s battle strategy and skill that won the Iron Throne. It’s because of his soft sidethat Dany is still alive.It seem perfectly reasonable to me that Brandon was trained to rule, while Ned was trained to fight battles to protect the North’s interests. I wonder how events would have turned out if Brandon had sent Ned to rescue the father instead?    


    Brandon didn’t ride to rescue their father – he rode to confront Rhaegar about Lyanna’s apparent kidnapping. Their father later was summoned by Aerys to Brandon’s “trial.”

  240. Ed
    Posted November 29, 2010 at 1:12 pm | Permalink

    Aaahhhh, I did not know that.

    fuelpagan: a

  241. fuelpagan
    Posted November 29, 2010 at 1:27 pm | Permalink

    OhDanyBoy,

    Oh yeah. My bad!

  242. CF
    Posted November 29, 2010 at 1:35 pm | Permalink

    persephone88,

    I completely agree about Jaime’s hair not being as blond and long as I had imagined it reading the books,
    and i’m also a bit disappointed to see the Jory-Jaime confrontation is now in broad daylight.

    I do hope they edit both of these in post-production, but there’s no doubt it’s a beautiful trailer nonetheless.

  243. Straphe
    Posted November 29, 2010 at 1:39 pm | Permalink

    OldGran: [...] did anyone watch it with someone who is not a fan and what was the reaction?

    I sent the teaser to some of my classmates (I’ve been talking about Game of Thrones, hyping it for ages, they are getting seriously annoyed by my non-stop jabbering), and so far the reaction has been mostly “meeh”. Okay, it’s a one-minute teaser, and the premiere is still at least 4 months away, but I dunno, I was hoping for something more.

    Maybe in due time…

  244. obsidian
    Posted November 29, 2010 at 1:41 pm | Permalink

    It’s a bit soon to be worried about the “I was trained to kill.” line , since we don’t know what , exactly , is in the rest of the scene. I suspect ( or maybe hope) that, in the clip , Ned may be midway in making a broader point, such as who he follows is a considered choice , according to his sense of justice , rightness, duty , honour , etc…and not just a knee-jerk reaction.

    I can understand having fears about the dialogue.. cheesy dialogue was one of the main things that ruined Rome for me ..but it really is too soon to tell.

    Loved Old Nan’s voice over. Exactly as I imagined her tales( history lessons ) to sound.

  245. Straphe
    Posted November 29, 2010 at 2:01 pm | Permalink

    Okay, so, my two cents…

    Loved the voice-over by Old Nan, she has a seriously creepy voice, it was just perfect.
    I don’t see why Will’s being executed, and not Gared, but hey, doesn’t matter either way.
    Loved the quick glimpse of Dany, Emilia Clarke’s gorgeous, as usual. Khal Drogo looks fierce, love the beard.
    Jaime looks spot-on, Nikolaj really managed to capture the I-don’t-really-give-a-shit-whatever-you-say-I-know-I’m-right-don’t-even-bother attitude of the character. I don’t mind that the confrontation between Jory and Jaime has been moved from night to broad daylight, there’ll be enough scenes shot in the dark anyway. I personally don’t like those chaotic scenes that are shot during nighttime, because… well, I can’t see anything, really. :D

    At first, when I read that Lena Headey has been cast as Cersei, I was happy, I thought that she’ll be perfect in the role. Nowadays we saw the first promotional pictures featuring the dearly beloved Queen Cersei, and I got quite… doubtful, as is, because Headey has a particular look on her face, something that suggests “oooh look at me, I’m completely and utterly maaaad”. And I didn’t like that, because I truly think that the Queen in probably the most lucid character during the events in the first two books. But now that we got to “see” her, hear her speak, my doubts are slowly creeping away. I think. :)

  246. GaR
    Posted November 29, 2010 at 2:21 pm | Permalink

    Right, I’ve had time to digest the trailer after watching it about 20 times last night.

    Still super happy with it, tbh. This show is giong to be awesome.

    The “I was trained to kill” line bugged me at first, but look at the context of even this short teaser; it starts with the man stone cold killing a dude. Read the book too, Ned is not a man with whom to fuck, swords in hand. Theon goes on about being this close to crossing swords with the Kingslayer. We all know Jaime would’ve cut him to bloody ribbons in short order if they had crossed swords.

    Who is it who Jaime’s always held in awe? Arthur Dayne. The Sword of the Morning. Ned and Jaime both agree on Dayne being the biggest badass ever to chop a dude into bits, and Ned fought him and lived to tell teh tale. Only just, by all accounts, but there ain’t no denying; the man were, in fact, trained to kill, and he’s pretty good at it.

    Incidentally, it sounds like regret in his voice when he says the line, rather than defiance or braggadocio.

    The confrontation scene being in sunshine in a big stone courtyard rather than the middle of the night in the pissing rain in a daub and wattle city? I’m fine with it. Jaime looks hell of badass, though I could do without the single-edged sword.

    The only thing I don’t much like is what they’ve done to Drogo’s face. Looks comical. Absurd, even. But y’know. If that’s the biggest problem with the series then I can’t complain too hard.

  247. Johan Sporre
    Posted November 29, 2010 at 2:22 pm | Permalink

    Now that I’ve had 12 hours to calm down…
    I’m incredibly impressed with the overall tone (music in the beginning, Nan’s voice-over) and how the actors look (and what we’ve heard them say so far). Bran seems fantastic and I’m seeing scores of teenage boys falling in love with Daenerys.

    I don’t mind that Dany lost (is losing?) her violet eyes. Her grey eyes can reflect the “stormborn” in her.

    I hope however that they make Jaime’s hair a bit lighter (as in the EW-photo).

    Overall, this has been a good day :)

  248. Rinso
    Posted November 29, 2010 at 2:38 pm | Permalink

    fuelpagan,

    I think that you may have a different view of Ned’s character than I do.

    I don’t see him as a “badass with a soft side”, to me he’s more of a “hardass with a soft side”. He really never EVER struck me as being badass when I read the books. Decent, sometimes harsh, a bit improvident, prone to be an ostrich, unyielding – yes. But a badass… no, I don’t think so.

    Also, what’s the thing with him being “Robert’s top general”? Where did that came from? How does one turns from being ” a participant in a war between many fractions led by even more leaders” to “a top general”? What battles he won as this “top general”? During the War of the Usurper the only memorable victory he had was in the Battle of the Bells and even that was more of a teamwork thing between him, Jon Arryn and Robert, IIRC. To claim that Ned was the one who won Robert’s throne is quite a stretch, sorry.
    And when they crushed the Greyjoys, the real success, imo, belonged to Stannis who managed to take down the Iron Fleet. All Ned did in that war was simply being there and taking Theon as a hostage.

    And anyway, Word of God says that Ned is only average as far as fighting prowess goes, so there go the “I was trained to kill” and the “one of the two best warriors from Westeros”. Ned’s strength as a character isn’t in his swordplay or battle tactics, anyway.

  249. Jim Higgitt
    Posted November 29, 2010 at 2:40 pm | Permalink

    One point to raise, during the wide pan shot at the execution, is that Jon Snow stood next to Bran with Robb stood a little ahead of them both? If so, Jon looks clean shaven, although this is very hard to tell. This means that he may get his beard while at/on the way to the Wall, which makes perfect sense really.

    This definitely warms me to the idea of him having a beard at all.

  250. Jim Higgitt
    Posted November 29, 2010 at 2:43 pm | Permalink

    Hmm, just looked at the photo of him and Bran from EW and he clearly has a beard in that photo too, so scratch that theory.

  251. Tywin's Bastard
    Posted November 29, 2010 at 2:44 pm | Permalink

    GaR: though I could do without the single-edged sword..    

    He doesn’t have a single edged sword from what I can see. The sword looks a bit odd when you pause while he’s drawing it but in the following shot it definitely looks just like a normal sword to me.

  252. GaR
    Posted November 29, 2010 at 2:45 pm | Permalink

    Jim Higgitt,

    We’ve got a photo of Jon watching Bran shoot some arrows at things in Winterfell. In that he’s already rocking his mo’.

  253. OldGran
    Posted November 29, 2010 at 2:45 pm | Permalink

    It’s been said that children and animals are notorious scene stealers and GOT has both. (Yea, Team Bran!) Isn’t it funny how we can cheer on all the beheadings, blood and gore of battle scenes, murders, attempted murders, stabbings,all the exponential badassery, but threaten a beloved “pet” and there we are with a box of tissues blubbering into the popcorn. You know it’s gonna happen.

  254. Michael Silva
    Posted November 29, 2010 at 2:46 pm | Permalink

    Straphe,

    Kinda sounds like people who wouldn’t appreciate the show anyway.

  255. GaR
    Posted November 29, 2010 at 2:47 pm | Permalink

    Tywin’s Bastard,

    Well hopefully I was seeing things. If not, then as I can say, I can live with it, but here’s hoping you’re right.

  256. Tywin's Bastard
    Posted November 29, 2010 at 2:51 pm | Permalink

    Rinso,
    I don’t see how being trained to kill automatically makes you the best at it. Even a measly city guard is trained to kill so why shouldn’t one of the more prominent generals left in the kingdom be able to say it?

    When you talk about the character it sounds like they could just as well send Catelyn to war instead of Eddard.

  257. Tywin's Bastard
    Posted November 29, 2010 at 2:54 pm | Permalink

    GaR,

    I thought the same at first when I paused while he was drawing it (which I did to get a shot at Jaime himself). It seems to just be some weird effect from the glare of the sword though as I can’t see anything odd about the sword when the whole scene is visible.

  258. GaR
    Posted November 29, 2010 at 2:55 pm | Permalink

    I’ll reiterate that the way the line “I was trained to kill” is delivered, it sounds like regret in his voice more than defiance, anger or whatever. Like the dude’s delivering an unpalatable truth.

    Wastrel quoted it with capitals and multiple exclamation points, but that was a pretty dishonest way to characterise it, IMO.

  259. DH87
    Posted November 29, 2010 at 2:58 pm | Permalink

    A West Coast True Blood fanatic caught the trailer last night and was excited enough to hit her B&N to pick up A GAME OF THRONES. The bookseller told her they were already completely out of stock —everyone had already come in and cleaned them out based on the trailer. More books coming tomorrow. That’s what we want to hear!

  260. Tywin's Bastard
    Posted November 29, 2010 at 3:01 pm | Permalink

    GaR,

    I agree, his voice had no hint of pride in it to my ears either. Eddard never seems to have enjoyed killing and this went hand in hand with that as I heard it.

  261. alan777
    Posted November 29, 2010 at 3:06 pm | Permalink

    GaR: I’ll reiterate that the way the line “I was trained to kill” is delivered, it sounds like regret in his voice more than defiance, anger or whatever.Like the dude’s delivering an unpalatable truth.Wastrel quoted it with capitals and multiple exclamation points, but that was a pretty dishonest way to characterise it, IMO.    

    I agree 100%. Eddard knows he has to kill but he has never liked that fact at all, ever. It makes him sad that he must kill, but in the end he knows he must do his duty.

  262. DH87
    Posted November 29, 2010 at 3:06 pm | Permalink

    GaR: The only thing I don’t much like is what they’ve done to Drogo’s face. Looks comical. Absurd, even.

    I think the problem is that they have cast a very handsome guy as a frightening killing machine and they have had to tamp down the movie star looks of Jason Momoa. It would have been tempting to Conan the Barbarian him, with the dreadlocks and the spray-on tan.Instead they tried to come up with a look that would be alien and frightening to Dany but keep the rockin’ body of their actor (who says he’s “naked reclining on furs” for most of series).

  263. GaR
    Posted November 29, 2010 at 3:14 pm | Permalink

    DH87,

    With what they’ve done to his eyebrows and beard he reminds me of a villian from Thunderbirds, all kinda Ming the Merciless looking.

  264. alan777
    Posted November 29, 2010 at 3:15 pm | Permalink

    Rinso: fuelpagan,
    I think that you may have a different view of Ned’s character than I do.
    I don’t see him as a “badass with a soft side”, to me he’s more of a “hardass with a soft side”. He really never EVER struck me as being badass when I read the books. Decent, sometimes harsh, a bit improvident, prone to be an ostrich, unyielding – yes. But a badass… no, I don’t think so. Also, what’s the thing with him being “Robert’s top general”? Where did that came from? How does one turns from being ” a participant in a war between many fractions led by even more leaders” to“a top general”? What battles he won as this “top general”? During the War of the Usurper the only memorable victory he had was in the Battle of the Bells and even that was more of a teamwork thing between him, Jon Arryn and Robert, IIRC. To claim that Ned was the one who won Robert’s throne is quite a stretch, sorry.
    And when they crushed the Greyjoys, the real success, imo, belonged to Stannis who managed to take down the Iron Fleet. All Ned did in that war was simply being there and taking Theon as a hostage.
    And anyway, Word of God says that Ned is only average as far as fighting prowess goes, so there go the “I was trained to kill” and the “one of the two best warriors from Westeros”. Ned’s strength as a character isn’t in his swordplay or battle tactics, anyway.    

    Right. That is why Ned and Howland Reed was the only survivors of the Tower of Joy battle against three of Aerys II’s Kingsguard, Ser Arthur Dayne, Ser Oswell Whent and Lord Commander Gerold Hightower. Those three being some of the best words men of the whole of Westeros.

    Also from the wiki on Ned Stark:

    “From the age of eight, Ned was fostered by Jon Arryn at the Eyrie, alongside Robert Baratheon.[1] Ned befriended Robert, and came to consider Lord Arryn a second father. After Ned’s father and brother died by command of Aerys II, the king demanded that Arryn send him the heads of the two wards. Arryn refused and instead launched a rebellion, in which Ned and Robert joined as lords of their houses and chief commanders.”

    http://awoiaf.westeros.org/index.php/Eddard_Stark

    Me thinks Ned is a bit more of a bad ass then a lot of people give him credit for.

  265. alan777
    Posted November 29, 2010 at 3:17 pm | Permalink

    “That is why Ned and Howland Reed WERE”….

    damn no edit button… >:(

  266. meg
    Posted November 29, 2010 at 3:24 pm | Permalink

    Absolutely loved the trailer, and am quite excited about the show now. Only thing I didn’t like was Drogo – I think the look they went with is horrible. :( Oh well, can’t have everything. ;)

  267. GaR
    Posted November 29, 2010 at 3:26 pm | Permalink

    meg,

    Thank the gods. I thought I was the only one.

  268. Rinoa De la Pica
    Posted November 29, 2010 at 3:27 pm | Permalink

    ablaaa,

    Ha, thanks sweetie. I’ts always a pleasure hearing nice words ;P

    This is a bit pessimistic, but what it concerns me most is the great amount of money they should have invested in order to create the first season. Such care in details, endless casts, now the promotions… I really don’t want ‘Thrones’ to become a second ‘Rome’ so they end cancelling the show too soon due to the impossible costs!

    BUT it has to be a huge success. It has to.

    Btw, Winter is coming in Spain too! Snowing here today :D

  269. FlayedandDisplayed
    Posted November 29, 2010 at 3:29 pm | Permalink

    My wife has read the books and is trying to avoid all this build up to the series – isn’t interested in reading the sites etc. I showed her the new trailer and her reaction was also ‘meh’, commenting that the actors didn’t look how she pictured them. To me this is confirmation of HBO’s sensible head games with the fan base – releasing enough information over time to get their vision across with enough time for all but the most rabid of fans to come around or at least swallow it.

    As far as Ned’s ‘trained to kill’ line goes, I think it’s a good line for his character and a complete failure in responding to Cersei’s jibe, which is as it should be.

    And is it just me or does Cersei look like a marionette from the Thunderbirds? especially in the stills.

    I have no real idea of the extent of post-production in film or TV but it seems to me a signifcant expense to go to change the colour of a character’s eyes frame by frame when contacts would have done the job, or to change the colour of a character’s hair when a wig or dye job would have done. I don’t expect to see such changes when the show airs. As far as ‘golden hair’ goes, Rose Gold is still gold, and if all the Lannisters had the exact same genetic shade of hair that would make things a little too easy wouldn’t it?

    Use your imagination here for twice as many paragraphs in high praise of the show and the trailer. I love it and look forward to it and all the differences and surprises it will have for me and my expectations.

  270. meg
    Posted November 29, 2010 at 3:30 pm | Permalink

    And before people jump down my throat for my one negative comment – I’m not talking about Momoa himself as a person. I think he’s a good enough looking actor, and I’ve never been opposed to his casting. I’m talking about his make-up here.

  271. alan777
    Posted November 29, 2010 at 3:36 pm | Permalink

    I have no idea how people can think “meh” on ANY level in regards to this trailer. I have no idea what some people where expecting but I for one an SOOOO ecstatic that Game of Thrones was translated to TV with as much care, consideration, money, respect, and effort as it has gotten thus far. It could have turned out like Legend of the Seeker. But no, it is turning out to be bad ass and pretty true to the books. That is about all I ever asked for. Basically as good as they made Lord of the Rings. If it is anywhere in that ball park then I am a super happy fan.

  272. fuelpagan
    Posted November 29, 2010 at 3:47 pm | Permalink

    Rinso,

    I’ll just have to disagree. There are several references made to Ned leading Robert’s Van. Robert’s statement to Ned about him winning the Throne for Robert. That it should be Ned on the Iron Throne, not him. How Robert sent Ned to break the siege at Storm’s End. Ned leading the Van to overtake King’s landing. These aren’t the assignments you give to a middle of the pack General.

    And GaR makes some good points about him defeating Arthur Dayne. As well as the delivery of the line.

    I would also throw in Ned knowing the worth of the crannogmen and how to utilize them in battle. That is a battle strategy, turning what most would see as a liability and making it a valuable asset.

    I’m not saying he is the best there is. I just think he is a bad-ass when it comes to battle.

  273. SteveThePirate2
    Posted November 29, 2010 at 3:50 pm | Permalink

    People are just bitchy. I keep seeing, “I imagined…” Don’t imagine- go read the book, to see what was *actually* written, or let go and accept that it doesn’t matter if Bran’s hair is more brown than auburn. Good God. That trailer was magnificent. Enough with the embarrassing nitpicking.

  274. DH87
    Posted November 29, 2010 at 3:54 pm | Permalink

    meg,

    Agreed, I think you and GaR and I are all on the same page, I’m just trying to figure out why they might go in this direction with his strangely made up face, and it has to be to frighten and repulse Dany with an intimidating, alien visage to contrast with her fragile loveliness. Being forced to take Jason Momoa as your bridegroom is not going to be frightening—to the contrary, any woman not on life support would jump him before the ceremony was over. He has to look freakish to her. Anyway, that’s what I’m going with.

  275. GaR
    Posted November 29, 2010 at 3:55 pm | Permalink

    SteveThePirate2,

    Good point. I’ve seen people complaining about certain things not matching their image… when what they say they’ve imagined often contradicts what was written.

  276. GaR
    Posted November 29, 2010 at 3:57 pm | Permalink

    DH87,

    Look at it that way I suppose it makes sense.

  277. dizzy_34
    Posted November 29, 2010 at 3:59 pm | Permalink

    SteveThePirate2: People are just bitchy. I keep seeing, “I imagined…” Don’t imagine- go read the book, to see what was *actually* written, or let go and accept that it doesn’t matter if Bran’s hair is more brown than auburn. Good God. That trailer was magnificent. Enough with the embarrassing nitpicking.  Quote  Reply

    Here! Here! and “Arrrrrrrrgh”

    I like to stay out of the big news “discussion” for the most part because it almost always turns into mind numbing nitpicking.

  278. anna howard
    Posted November 29, 2010 at 4:03 pm | Permalink

    Can’t believe how much everyone has seen in the trailer I have had to watch it about 20 times to spot half as much.

    My two cents:
    Likes-Cersei is perfect, just how I imagined, Ned, Theon etc the beheading scene looks as cold and foreboding as it should be. Dany – perfect. Love Jaime. Falling for Tyrion as much as I did in the book.

    Dislikes – I HATE Robert Baratheon I always imagined him more like Brian Blessed, obvious i know. Drogo – I want to like the look but ironically, as Jason is normally very dark, he is just not as swarthy and oily as I imagined. I like that he looks very big and butch though as I thought they would go for a more ripped look. Also what is with the eyeshadow? I would have prefered golden curls on Joffrey too as I think that the mixture of innocence and evil would have made him more petulant and sinsiter.

    Hey Ho though its a 60 second trailer, it could all look very different on airing.
    This scottish lass can’t wait.

  279. Winter Is Coming
    Posted November 29, 2010 at 4:10 pm | Permalink

    I think it is safe to say that if the biggest complaints we can come up with are “Why aren’t Dany’s eyes purple?” and “Why does this scene happen during the day instead of at night?” this is a damn near perfect adaptation.

  280. Wolfheart
    Posted November 29, 2010 at 4:11 pm | Permalink

    GaR: SteveThePirate2,
    Good point.I’ve seen people complaining about certain things not matching their image… when what they say they’ve imagined often contradicts what was written.    

    Couldn’t be further from that when George uses a descriptive word to illustrate his characters looks. Blonde hair, Silver gold hair, Lilac (purple eyes), blonde curly hair, auburn hair. All these examples are WHAT give us those mental images of the characters. The reason you get people that are disappointed is because HBO didn’t/couldn’t/wouldn’t (you choose) follow simple personal features of each character. So cut the disappointed fan some slack jack. Tehy are still happy to see the series come to fruition, but they are left with why HBO did what they did.

  281. GaR
    Posted November 29, 2010 at 4:15 pm | Permalink

    Wolfheart,

    Except that is not what I was talking about. I was quite specific and you’re misrepresenting what I posted.

  282. Wolfheart
    Posted November 29, 2010 at 4:15 pm | Permalink

    Winter Is Coming: I think it is safe to say that if the biggest complaints we can come up with are “Why aren’t Dany’s eyes purple?” and “Why does this scene happen during the day instead of at night?” this is a damn near perfect adaptation.    

    Don’t forget Jaimes hair color. Cersei and Jaime are supposed to be twins after all. I think fans were hoping to see damn near same hair color. This has also been discussed more heavily.

  283. anna howard
    Posted November 29, 2010 at 4:17 pm | Permalink

    SteveThePirate2,

    Of course you are right there is too much nitpicking but isn’t that what a forum is for? Discussion?
    I have read all the books and, as there are no pictures, I have had to imagine what the characters look like and that is what people mean. Also the books are very involved and if like me its been a while since you have read them then there may be some contradictions and things you are not sure of but are relying on memory.

    I also forgot to mention that despite my nitpicks the trailer looks awesome.

  284. anna howard
    Posted November 29, 2010 at 4:19 pm | Permalink

    Wolfheart,

    Exactly!

  285. ogbebaba
    Posted November 29, 2010 at 4:20 pm | Permalink

    the only complaint i have is Tyrion’s eyes being the same color why change that? whats the point in leaving that detail out? contacts are cheap and in the books he puts his mismatch eyed stare to good use

  286. Wolfheart
    Posted November 29, 2010 at 4:23 pm | Permalink

    GaR: Wolfheart,
    Except that is not what I was talking about.I was quite specific and you’re misrepresenting what I posted.    

    Sorry, then its best to just disassociate the response as best we can and just take my comment for what it is. More so a question why HBO couldnt stick to description specially for the characters traits.

  287. Lady_B
    Posted November 29, 2010 at 4:29 pm | Permalink

    Rinso,

    - the “I was trained to kill” line from Ned. No, he wasn’t. That’s for Jaime, or the Cleganes, or, heck, even Drogo. He actually was trained to follow, being the second son of Lord Rickard and Robert’s yesman. What I suspected from the leaked pilot, is now almost confirmed in my eyes – they will try to amplify the “badassery” of Ned Stark. Not really fond of the idea.

    With the exception of the yesman part I generally agree with you. Ned’s competent, and brave, but he would never ever flaunt it or talk about it himself. If someone said something insulting to him he’s not the kind to pull out his dick and compare sizes, he just ignores you. I can see how it’s more in line with standard Hollywood sensibilities and it won’t keep me from watching the show, but for the record I’m not a fan, of that or some of the lines from the pilot script I heard about.

    That said there’s a lot to like about the teaser and what HBO is doing so far.

  288. SteveThePirate2
    Posted November 29, 2010 at 4:31 pm | Permalink

    For plot reasons, I can understand concerns about Jaime’s hair color, because of the issue of the parentage, and you all know what I’m referring to. But unless the physical trait is essential to a plot point, it doesn’t matter. I couldn’t tell you off the top of my head how they describe Bran’s hair color in the first book, but I know who the character is and how he’s changed and what he’s experienced. I save my complaining for when really important things are changed negatively. Maybe I’m just more flexible, but I just don’t care about whether Joff has curls or not. I’m sure his angel face/devilish soul can come across in a dozen other ways.

  289. Wolfheart
    Posted November 29, 2010 at 4:32 pm | Permalink

    ogbebaba: the only complaint i have is Tyrion’s eyes being the same color why change that? whats the point in leaving that detail out? contacts are cheap and in the books he puts his mismatch eyed stare to good use    

    Cheap in context for use in a tv show or movie, yes. But for the average consumer they aren’t cheap. Specially if they need to be made for someone with eyesight problems. Yes, if they left in Dany’s purple eyes, and Tyrions mismatched eyes. They would have added a huge level of depth and been far more visually dramatic/unique for the viewer as the eyes are what we really catch. After all the classic Targaryens uniqueness in physical traits are quite stunning.

  290. GaR
    Posted November 29, 2010 at 4:40 pm | Permalink

    Wolfheart,

    Not everyone can wear contacts. Purple eyes probably look stupid. Marketing wanted a handsome dwarf. Cersei has darker ahir than advertised and it’s actually a close match with Jaime…

    Take your pick, yo. There are probably plenty of other reasons for things. And it’s not something I care about too hard. If the story is told well, I am happy. That is a hundred times more important than purple eyes or a mismatched stare.

    For the record, your comment about contacts being expensive for the average consumer is super irrelevant.

  291. Ed
    Posted November 29, 2010 at 4:46 pm | Permalink

    That’s awesome!!!

    DH87: A West Coast True Blood fanatic caught the trailer last night and was excited enough to hit her B&N to pick up A GAME OF THRONES. The bookseller told her they were already completely out of stock —everyone had already come in and cleaned them out based on the trailer. More books coming tomorrow. That’s what we want to hear!    

  292. Phoenix_torn
    Posted November 29, 2010 at 4:48 pm | Permalink

    DH87,

    I’m thinking they changed Drogo to differentiate Momoa’s Drogo from his Conan. It would ahve been really easy for the two characters to look similar. Honestly, if I was HBO I’d do anything I could to separate myself the new Conan movie.

  293. DH87
    Posted November 29, 2010 at 4:49 pm | Permalink

    GaR: There are probably plenty of other reasons for things.

    On True Blood, the actor playing Eric ditched his book-dictated long blond wig from Season 1 before Season 2 because it wasn’t comfortable—the costume designer was okay with that. For S3, he arrived on set with dark hair left over from an immediately preceding role and they were okay with that, too. For S4, he’s now arrived with a tan having spent the summer filming on Oahu, and they are apparently going with that look as well. Sometimes it’s just that simple. Given the wigs we’ve seen on GOT, frankly, I’m just as glad Joff is going short and everyone else is going more or less natural.

  294. Wolfheart
    Posted November 29, 2010 at 4:51 pm | Permalink

    GaR: Wolfheart,
    Not everyone can wear contacts.Purple eyes probably look stupid.Marketing wanted a handsome dwarf.Cersei has darker ahir than advertised and it’s actually a close match with Jaime…Take your pick, yo.There are probably plenty of other reasons for things.And it’s not something I care about too hard.If the story is told well, I am happy.That is a hundred times more important than purple eyes or a mismatched stare.For the record, your comment about contacts being expensive for the average consumer is super irrelevant.    

    A mismatched stare is a powerfully dramatic effect. If you have seen the after effects of the man beaten in the face after he hit his wife in the show “The walking dead” and the camera panning to show his damaged eye and him rolling over and staring at the viewers with a good eye and a bad eyes. Its terribly powerful.

    An no my comment wasn’t irrelevant. Companies such as HBO, contacts are cheap compared to trying to pull off the effect of purples eyes in post production and buying One set of green contacts for Tyrions eye and Purple ones for Dany. Much like fans saw in the movie Dune. Where if I remember most had blue contacts and post production enhanced the blue by giving it a glow. Following Frank Herberts descriptions well.

  295. TastesLikeTheSea
    Posted November 29, 2010 at 4:54 pm | Permalink

    The fanboys complaining about the minuscule details need to remind themselves of the big picture. We have a great show produced by freakin HBO, great selection of actors, writers, costume designers, artists etc… None of us could have fathomed the possibility of anything so awesome a few years ago. So count your blessings and stop whining like some spoiled brat who got a Lexus for his birthday instead of a BMW. There’s more things to worry about than accuracy of the color of Hodor’s pubic hairs.

  296. saluk
    Posted November 29, 2010 at 4:55 pm | Permalink

    NicoThey haven’t translated the written material as well as I had hoped, and what I have seen so far comes across more “Legend of the Seeker” than “Deadwood” or “Rome”.

    I’m sorry, as a SoT fan who watched the entirety of the show, this comparison is ridiculous. There is a world of difference between someone making a generic fantasy show, and tacking a license on top, and a fan of a license actually attempting to make an adaptation. In Legend of the Seeker, they actually cut out the mud people, which is a good 1/3rd of the book!

    The results may be disappointing in cases, you certainly don’t have to like it, but you have to be blind to say it looks as bad as that show.

  297. GaR
    Posted November 29, 2010 at 5:00 pm | Permalink

    DH87,

    Maybe I have low wigstandards, but honestly, if I didn’t know what colour some of these actors’ natural hair was I’d struggle to pick out who was wearing a wig (with the obvious exception of Dany).

    Wolfheart,

    Yes, it was irrelevant. The point had already been made that they are cheap, you just went on to tell us that they aren’t cheap for normal people. Which is super irrelevant.

    And yes, I know how cool the mismatched stare can be, but it’s hardly vital. Hells, maybe Tyrion will get a broken eye after the Battle of teh Blackwater. That’d probably be quite effective, come to think of it.

  298. Wolfheart
    Posted November 29, 2010 at 5:00 pm | Permalink

    TastesLikeTheSea: The fanboys complaining about the minuscule details need to remind themselves of the big picture. We have a great show produced by freakin HBO, great selection of actors, writers, costume designers, artists etc… None of us could have fathomed the possibility of anything so awesome a few years ago. So count your blessings and stop whining like some spoiled brat who got a Lexus for his birthday instead of a BMW. There’s more things to worry about than accuracy of the color of Hodor’s pubic hairs.    

    refer to all of Wastrel’s comments in response to such responses are your bitching about the nitpiking. Ignore it, don’t read it, don’t respond to it then. I’ll respond to what I want to respond to. And express which i want to express. Grow a thicker skin.

  299. HJ
    Posted November 29, 2010 at 5:08 pm | Permalink

    Yes, we have every right to embarrass ourselves with anal-retentive nitpickery.

  300. GaR
    Posted November 29, 2010 at 5:09 pm | Permalink

    Wolfheart,

    Haha, yeah right. Does anyone bother reading Wastrel’s novel-length diatribes any more?

  301. DH87
    Posted November 29, 2010 at 5:20 pm | Permalink

    GaR: Maybe I have low wigstandards, but honestly, if I didn’t know what colour some of these actors’ natural hair was I’d struggle to pick out who was wearing a wig (with the obvious exception of Dany).

    Oh dear.
    Eddard
    Bran
    The Hound
    Cersei
    Robert
    Catelyn
    Tyrion
    Viserys (from the stills we saw previously)
    Khal Drogo
    Any random woman walking anywhere in any scene
    The biggest giveaways are the uniform hairline and/or bangs, particularly among the men; the “clump” effect (probably easiest to see with Cersei); and the subtle differences in how the light reflects off the wig/extensions. Not that I’m nit-picking: the care and feeding of wigs is harder than it looks, particularly in varying climate conditions.

  302. Tysnow
    Posted November 29, 2010 at 5:21 pm | Permalink

    Obviously there are some that don’t take the time and freeze the images and examine them closely before critiquing. NCW’s hair is the same color as Lena’s, it is the lighting and shadow that gives the bottom portion of his head a little darkness in the first shot, if you look closely at the top where the light is hitting you will see that he has the same coloring as Cersei, also in the second shot from the back where the light is hitting right you can catch glimpses of the golden hair.

  303. Podrick Payne
    Posted November 29, 2010 at 5:29 pm | Permalink

    Tysnow: I so love this trailer, but so far HBO’s teasers have been geared toward the medieval/war epic feel, they need to create a teaser that is geared toward the female audience (romance, buff men, women talking) and palace intrique and mystery.    

    ,

    I thoroughly agree. These teasers are great for keeping the fans of the series hooked – but come on, we were hooked already. HBO’s next step needs to make clear that the story’s foundation is family drama/court intrigue. And wolves!

    Here’s a question, and I apologize if I missed it: why is Bran the only Stark heir at the beheading? Or are the rest in the background somewhere?

  304. Wolfheart
    Posted November 29, 2010 at 5:43 pm | Permalink

    GaR: Wolfheart,
    Haha, yeah right.Does anyone bother reading Wastrel’s novel-length diatribes any more?    

    Yes, actually I do. From a mature standpoint Wastrel is actually quite level headed, logical and thoughtful and very little insulting. He expresses his opinion and thoughts on the changes and beauty of it all. I find his comments very entertaining and interesting. From a guess I figure Wastrel to be a person that is disciplined.

    As for me I’m genuinely interested in what people think without knocking them down.

  305. Inkasrain
    Posted November 29, 2010 at 5:47 pm | Permalink

    GaR: Purple eyes probably look stupid.

    I have to think this may be the case, especially if they are trying to err on the side of realism as opposed to fantasy; I would imagine it would be very difficult to make purple eyes look natural. As I said before, I’m happy with the opalescent gray they seem to be going with.

  306. Lady_B
    Posted November 29, 2010 at 5:47 pm | Permalink

    Podrick Payne,

    Robb and Jon can be seen behind Bran in the more distant shot, on the opposite side of where Theon Greyjoy is standing.

  307. Tywin's Bastard
    Posted November 29, 2010 at 5:50 pm | Permalink

    SteveThePirate2,

    If it’s in the plot it’s certainly a good reason to keep in line with how the traits are described in the book but as long as they didn’t make Jaime’s hair brown (especially dark brown) that won’t be a problem. It’s not his hair that’s actually vital in the plot.

  308. the goat
    Posted November 29, 2010 at 6:00 pm | Permalink

    Inkasrain:
    They may have left this out, but I wouldn’t write it off entirely until we see the full scene. The dialogue between Ned and Bran seemed a bit chopped to get to the point (as happens in most trailers) so Bran’s innocent comments may still be in this scene, or perhaps another slightly earlier one.

    I don’t mind if they do away with the whole “Bran thought they were executing a wildling” thing, but I really hope they keep the “Can a man still be brave even when he’s scared?” “That’s the only time a man can be brave.” lines. In the book its right before the lines we heard in the trailer. Unfortunately they were cut out of the pilot script, but who knows.

  309. Podrick Payne
    Posted November 29, 2010 at 6:01 pm | Permalink

    Lady_B,

    Jesus, you people have good eyes. Thanks for the heads up!

  310. Kana
    Posted November 29, 2010 at 6:25 pm | Permalink

    GaR,

    The other thing with Tyrion is, ugly-ing up an actor is generally gonna take more obtrusive use of makeup then simply giving them pretty skin. And Tyrion needs to be a very subtly emotive character, there’s a lot going on with his character and we won’t have inner dialogues to clue us in on it either. So the show may have decided that an ugly Tyrion wasn’t worth the loss in expressiveness that such makeup would require. Or alternately, they know they’ve got to ugly him up if they ever get to the battle of king’s landing, so why make things even harder on themselves by starting with the heavy makeup already?

    Besides, Tyrion being a dwarf is what’s important to his character, no matter what his face is like other characters would still be repelled by him, and it’ll make sense in the setting. But they’ve got to make sure that the audience connects to him, and not layering him up in makeup is probably part of that.

  311. Caedes
    Posted November 29, 2010 at 6:28 pm | Permalink

    after a time my thoughts on the trailer:

    Things I didn’t like:
    - the “I was trained to kill” line. Not for its suitability or not to Ned’s character, but for the fact that it’s not his defining trait, and can misguide non-fans of the series.

    - The missing purple eyes of Daenerys. I can live without them, and Emilia has such gorgeous eyes I can drown in them, but still….

    - I want to see Tywin & the Old Bear!

    Some nitpicks (and only that).
    - Lannister helms doesn’t seem too practical, more like loose bells or lampshades.
    - Lack of some snow in the beheading scenes. Remember that is shortly after this that the direwolf pups are found

    Thing I liked
    - Stark guards. Love the helmets and outfit.
    - Small glimpse of Ser Rodrik. Does he have the whiskers tied up in rings under his chin?
    - Drogos’s look. Dunno why other people scorn this. I think it’s menacing, powerful and strange.
    - NINA GOLD. In caps. What an amazing cast we have, people.

    Thing I Loved:
    - The sound and the music. After seeing stills, pictures and behind-the-scenes, it’s often easy to forget how important is the SOUND of the series. To be able to heard Eddard, the sound of Ice coming out of the scabbard, the cringing noise of the beheading, Old Nan’s voice… got me goosebumps.

    And a final note. Is it me or the ground behind Jaime is wet and muddy? Could it be that the scene was shot by day, then darkened with an “american night” post production effect? (much like the Nazgul chase of the hobbits until Bucklebury Ferry in LotR).

  312. Steve Hugh Westenra
    Posted November 29, 2010 at 6:29 pm | Permalink

    I don’t think I can make my way through all of these comments, so I’ll just post my thoughts. (:

    Bran: Spectacular. Even in just a short clip you can see that he’s got a lot of talent.

    Overall look of Winterfell and King’s Landing: A bit worried that Winterfell is quite samey and likewise King’s Landing. I mean, even though King’s Landing has a warmer climate it’s not ALWAYS going to be sunny and/or the daytime (the opposite for Winterfell). I think they could have added some colour to some of the costumes (someone mentioned the lack of coats of arms on the clothing, and I agree that this would have been useful, while also adding some flare to the images). A lot of the characters blend together a bit too much, which, retrospectively, I’m thinking they could have avoided if they’d had greater variation in hair colour, as in the books). This is only a tiny, tiny trailer though, so I’m hoping I’m proven wrong about all of this!

    Jaime/Ned confrontation: I’m not sold on the change from night to day during the confrontation between Ned and Jaime. It’s just so unbelievably atmospheric in the novels, and to throw away an opportunity like that seems like a poor choice, imo. Furthermore, having it take place at night emphasizes how underhanded the whole affair is, whereas in the day, out in the open, it makes it seem more organized and noble, and that just doesn’t fit the situation.

    Cersei: She has officially changed my mental image of Cersei! I can’t wait to see more of her!

    Dany’s eyes: Oh how I wish they were violet/purple (even just slightly). Also, still not impressed with the wig. I have a feeling I’m in the minority, but I thought the snippet of her and Drogo looked a bit cheesy. That said, she has a beautiful voice (from what we heard in the promo that aired on Saturday).

    Dany+Doreah: This, to me, feels entirely pointless. I just hope they haven’t filled the series with more superfluous sex scenes.

    Various fight scenes: They look spectacular!

    Also, I am now completely sold on Fairley as Catelyn. Her acting in the promo was phenomenal and the shot of her in this teaser looked great as well.

  313. Blood
    Posted November 29, 2010 at 6:42 pm | Permalink

    Whether or not Ned was one of the greatest swordsmen ever, or if he was near as good as Jaime or Arthur Dayne (and the answer to both these is no), has no bearing on whether or not he was trained to kill. There is no question about that. He, like all sons of lords, are trained to fight and kill. How the line works in the show depends on a lot things we can’t judge based on what little we’ve seen of the scene so far, but like others have said the delivery was not bragging. It sounds more sad and introspective than anything else.

  314. Lex
    Posted November 29, 2010 at 6:50 pm | Permalink

    Somewhat off topic, I just re-watched the very first teaser. I’d forgotten that it had way more of a “horror” feeling to it. I also quite like the different logo, red letters with a dark winter forest background.

  315. Smegma
    Posted November 29, 2010 at 7:06 pm | Permalink

    As I posted on the ASOIAF boards, I am really, really glad they didn’t go with colored contacts. They always look fake and never add anything to a person’s emotive qualities. They aren’t integral to the plot, really they are more of a detail that George RR Martin himself has said he overdid, and if he had the chance to do it again, he wouldn’t have talked so much about eye color.

    Bran is absolutely beautiful and expressive. What an adorable child, I can’t wait to see more of his character.

    Everyone other than Dany and Catelyn are almost exactly as I imagined, (Tazmin Merchant and Jennifer Ehle were more in line with my vision). That being said, I think the quality of the acting and on screen chemistry is infinitely more important than the particular features of a character. The important aspects are all there (dwarf, check, tall guys, check, light haired people..etc) and now it will be up to the actors, writers, and director to make the characterizations show through. From what I’ve seen thus far, they’ve done an amazing job of that.

  316. Martin
    Posted November 29, 2010 at 7:06 pm | Permalink

    I think the ‘trained to kill’ comment needs to be looked at in context.

    Cersei: “were you trained to follow ?”
    Ned: “I was trained to kill”

    sounds to me like a rebuttal of Cersei’s dig at him which I guess is in response to him becoming hand – just a reminder to her that he is still a warrior of the north at heart, and not a politician. We all know Ned is a somewhat simple man, with a somewhat simplistic moral compass that makes him a marked man – that exchange really draws a lot of threads together, Cersei the somewhat clumsy manipulator and Ned the dour, honest lord and father – the catelyst for those around him (his family) that form the centre of the main plot strands.

    Martin

  317. persephone88
    Posted November 29, 2010 at 7:10 pm | Permalink

    OhDanyBoy,

    I like the idea of House based promo material, but I think that might be better served in print ads closer to when the series comes out. A set of full pages character based ads published sequentially as “teasers” in something like People or one of the entertainment weeklies is likely to draw in more viewers, particularly the females, I think. Throw up a couple of attractive page layouts of Jon Snow, Jamie Lannister, Ned Stark, etc. with a good “hook” line for each character and interest in the show will be piqued among the women!

  318. Camarlengo
    Posted November 29, 2010 at 7:24 pm | Permalink
  319. persephone88
    Posted November 29, 2010 at 7:33 pm | Permalink

    anna howard: a
    Ed
    Quote

    I agree with you pretty much down the line. I also always envisioned a younger Brian Blessed as Robert! But since they’ve aged all the characters up so much, it makes sense that Robert now needs to look a good deal older than Ned, because he’s so gone to seed. I think it’s a bit too much of an age difference looks – wise between he and Cersei, but that will probably just drive home their mis-marriage even more to new viewers.

    I’m wondering if it is the lighting (looked to be birght midday / noon) during the Drogo / Dany scene is what made Drogo appear so light skinned?

  320. Podrick Payne
    Posted November 29, 2010 at 7:42 pm | Permalink

    For what it’s worth, I get a very Ned-appropriate sense of self-loathing from the “trained to kill” line. Digging into his remorse regarding the Tower of Joy, and his heavy-hearted gravity toward killing that we see in the beheading scene.

    And I agree with Martin’s post a few above this one. In general, there’s no reason to freak out either way about this line out of context.

    On another topic, Hedley’s Cersei seems like a much more intelligent, sly manipulator than the rather freewheeling, batshit quasi-psycho of the books. An interesting choice that I can’t wait to see play out.

    From what I can see, we an ALL agree on two things:
    1) Bran is adorable.
    2) We want to see the Cleganes fight!!!!!!!!

  321. Steve Hugh Westenra
    Posted November 29, 2010 at 7:49 pm | Permalink

    Inkasrain: I’m sure I’m in the minority here, but I’m liking Dany’s gray eyes. They’re appropriate for her title of “Stormborn”, and I think they’ll pick up colors around her–especially purple– very nicely. It’s extra-canonical, obviously, so I get why people aren’t pleased, but to me it’s a nice balance of the fantastical Targaryens with the constraints of reality.

    I’m not trying to pick on you or your opinion in saying this, but there’s this growing sentiment that the fantastic elements of the series need to be/should be/will inevitably be minimized (for a variety of reasons) and I don’t like that. Whether you’re a fan of fantasy in general or not, GRRM is a fantasy author, and ASoIaF is a fantasy series. I enjoy the fact that he uses magic and supernatural/otherworldly elements in a minimalistic way, but it that very fact that makes me feel a bit miffed when it comes to things like toning down the fantasy in the show (both with larger scenes, such as the omission of the wights in the leaked pilot script AND with small details like Dany’s hair). The books are already taking a minimalist approach, without HBO needing to “tone down the fantasy.” I mean, I wouldn’t really argue against/for the eye-colour of Ned or Catelyn or Littlefinger, but because Dany is so unusual (visually), and because this is one of the few instances where George has opted for a glimmer of fantasy in a character’s appearance, it is a lot more important, I think, to her character description.
    I mean, maybe they tried it and it looked awful, but I kind of doubt that.

  322. Tysnow
    Posted November 29, 2010 at 7:55 pm | Permalink

    Off topic ever so slightly, this concerns the adult oriented sex. This show as is will just be oriented to adults, which is fine for us adults and fans, but…………. I still believe that this series has great potential to reach a far wider audience and be a massive cash cow if they would create two versions (which is not difficult with modern technology), besides the hard R adaption (faithful to the books), HBO could still do a little trimming to a hard PG-13 version which could be released perhaps a week or two afterwards lets say on Saturdays to pull in even more viewers and get a preteen and teen fanbase going. I know many will scream at this suggestion, but I am just being sensible and thinking from a marketing perspective. Afterall enlarging fanbase while maintaining quality = better ratings and profits = going the distance.

  323. Melanie Bui
    Posted November 29, 2010 at 7:58 pm | Permalink

    binzer,

    Thanks binzer! 99.9% chance I’ll do just that! :)

  324. The DarkStar
    Posted November 29, 2010 at 8:00 pm | Permalink

    I was a big Michelle Fairley Doubter, and a big Lena Headey advocate.
    After seeing the two deliver some lines, I’ve flip flopped.

    Cercie IMO needs to be embody assertiveness, and confidence, to the 10th degree. I didn’t get that from Lena.

    Besides that, Everything looked amazing.

    Who cares if that scene happens in daylight?

    And If they don’t show the others in the opening scene, i firmly believe that will be best. Like lost and the monster.

  325. Wolfheart
    Posted November 29, 2010 at 8:10 pm | Permalink

    Caedes: after a time my thoughts on the trailer:
    - Lannister helms doesn’t seem too practical, more like loose bells or lampshades.
    .    

    To true. I laughed at that. You’re right! They wouldn’t really protect the head would they. Quick/easy to be knocked off. Easy to get under, odd unpractical thin edge running from ear to ear.

    I dub them “Lannister lampshade helmets!” I’m sure it will catch on…haha!

  326. Wolfheart
    Posted November 29, 2010 at 8:48 pm | Permalink

    Steve Hugh Westenra: I’m not trying to pick on you or your opinion in saying this, but there’s this growing sentiment that the fantastic elements of the series need to be/should be/will inevitably be minimized (for a variety of reasons) and I don’t like that. Whether you’re a fan of fantasy in general or not, GRRM is a fantasy author, and ASoIaF is a fantasy series. I enjoy the fact that he uses magic and supernatural/otherworldly elements in a minimalistic way, but it that very fact that makes me feel a bit miffed when it comes to things like toning down the fantasy in the show (both with larger scenes, such as the omission of the wights in the leaked pilot script AND with small details like Dany’s hair). The books are already taking a minimalist approach, without HBO needing to “tone down the fantasy.”I mean, I wouldn’t really argue against/for the eye-colour of Ned or Catelyn or Littlefinger, but because Dany is so unusual (visually), and because this is one of the few instances where George has opted for a glimmer of fantasy in a character’s appearance, it is a lot more important, I think, to her character description.I mean, maybe they tried it and it looked awful, but I kind of doubt that.    

    Exactly my sentiment, Steve *thumbs up* Ive actually taken renaissance festival photo’s where my friend dresses up as a fairy in hues of purple and green. She wears purple contacts 8 hours out of the day for 6 weekends. Ive seen them photographed by professional photographers. They do not look bad. They actually draw you in and look ok. They look natural hue and not bright painted looking.

  327. Inkasrain
    Posted November 29, 2010 at 9:08 pm | Permalink

    Steve Hugh Westenra,

    I really do hear you on this; I mean, I found the books myself after becoming a fan of fantasy, and I love the genre to this day, so I certainly don’t mean to say that I dislike or under-value the fact that ASoIaF is a work of fantasy.

    The thing is, I think a minimalist approach to fantasy means different things on the printed page and on the screen. In the books, this can be and is accomplished beautifully by removing most magical elements from the day-to-day action of the story and relegating it to details such as purple eyes and dragon eggs, or seemingly peripheral threats like the wights. On screen, what were details in the book become major visual elements, which could be seen as clashing with the rich realistic world that Westeros is in the books and presumably will be in the series.

    Television also by design kind of asks for faster follow-through on exciting elements like wights than we know we get in the books. In print it works terrifically, but even as a fan knowing the series, I’m not sure I would be satisfied on a visceral level if Game of Thrones began with an awesomely creepy Other attack and then left them off completely four four or five episodes. I’d prefer the Others to be shrouded in doubt and confusion at first (since this is also presumably a theme of the series) and then reveal them gradually; I want to wights to synthesize with Westeros, and not have to have Westeros try and make sense around this particular element.

    So anyway (at least as things stand currently) my feeling (for what it’s worth) is that the fantasy will minimalized initially, and become more evident as season one progresses. If they start talking about cutting out the birth of Dany’s dragons, or altering Melisandre in season two then I might get concerned; for now I’m happy with the balance.

  328. Half Myrish
    Posted November 29, 2010 at 9:23 pm | Permalink

    Steve Hugh Westenra,

    It will be interesting to find out the reasoning behind the deviations the production team made, considering how faithful they’ve been in many areas. I am wondering about their decisions on eye color because like you said, there IS a reason Dany has purple eyes, which ties somewhat into the plot.

    If HBO has well and truly tried to pare down any of the fantasy elements of the series, it will be interesting to see how they handle the Others and the dragons. Maybe HBO is hoping that the non fantasy audience will be roped in by the sex and intrigue of the series before any of the “magical” stuff is sprung on them.

  329. Jan Oda
    Posted November 29, 2010 at 9:48 pm | Permalink

    Tysnow,

    I don’t think that would do the series justice though. And if you leave out the sex and violence, half of the male characters lose their motivation :p .

    Besides, as far as I see it, if you’re old enough to understand all the political intriguing, you’re old enough to see the dirty bits as well. GoT has always seemed very much a series for adults for me, not because of the R-rated content, but because of the complexity of it all.

    When I raved about the books to my youngest brother years ago, he started, but he gave up after a while, because all the factions drove him crazy (and this was before anyone had died). He looked at the trailer today and was really excited, and decided to retry the books.

    Back to the trailer. Anyone else preferred the more whitish hair of Daenerys in the stills compared to the more yellowish of the trailer? I actually liked the slighty unnatural look of the white hair, because it made the Taergyens stand out.

  330. Wolfheart
    Posted November 29, 2010 at 9:57 pm | Permalink

    Jan Oda: Tysnow,

    Back to the trailer. Anyone else preferred the more whitish hair of Daenerys in the stills compared to the more yellowish of the trailer? I actually liked the slighty unnatural look of the white hair, because it made the Taergyens stand out.    

    I also prefered the whitish hair. If they couldn’t pull off silver gold or even silverish. I was happy to see the whitish unatural, as the Targaryen classic look is supposed to be surreal. But with the hue of yellow in it, from the trailer. I’m just a little worried they went the platinum blonde route.

  331. Jan Oda
    Posted November 29, 2010 at 10:09 pm | Permalink

    Wolfheart,

    Exactly. In my family there’s actually a lot of peole with white hair that looks like the first Dany still. It only looks slightly surreal because they are both so young. But I think that kind of light sureallity might work better than the less subtle purple eyes.

    I like Martins whole genetic plot (and intrigue because of it) in the books, but I think HBO can work around the more unrealistic ones and still get the jist of it accross.

  332. Tysnow
    Posted November 29, 2010 at 10:09 pm | Permalink

    Back to the trailer, the fact that Jaime in the confrontation scene is not wearing any armor amplifies the hauntiness of his sword being drawn. I mean he knows he is the best alive, and thus by not wearing protection he is saying to them you don’t stand a chance even without my armor. To me that absolutely shows where they are going with his character and I am freakin loving it.

  333. Smegma
    Posted November 29, 2010 at 10:09 pm | Permalink

    Wolfheart:
    Exactly my sentiment, Steve *thumbs up* Ive actually taken renaissance festival photo’s where my friend dresses up as a fairy in hues of purple and green. She wears purple contacts 8 hours out of the day for 6 weekends. Ive seen them photographed by professional photographers. They do not look bad. They actually draw you in and look ok. They look natural hue and not bright painted looking.    

    They never, ever look natural though. It looks like they are wearing contacts and I think removes the verisimilitude from the scene, especially in close ups. I always find when actors wear colored contacts to be very jarring and it takes me out of the moment. I think both Tyrion and Dany look better off for having their natural eye colors. Actors use their eyes so much to convey emotion that I prefer that they not hinder their ability to emote properly.

    Same goes for heavy make on Tyrion. Everyone saying that he is too good looking is forgetting how much make up they’d need to ugly him up. Removing his ability to use his face to its fullest capacity is more detrimental than having the uggo make up on is positive.

    For a screen actor, especially in a series that is so heavily dependent upon character intricacies, the most minute movements of their faces are how they will convey emotion. The best actors use minimalist facial expressions as part of their craft. Anything to hinder that will lead to overacting.

  334. Inkasrain
    Posted November 29, 2010 at 10:20 pm | Permalink

    Tysnow,

    I really like these details– the way Theon bowed as he offered Ice to Ned stood out to me. Things like this just make the world feel terrifically lived-in.

  335. Ed
    Posted November 29, 2010 at 10:24 pm | Permalink

    Sorry, but this would never, ever, happen.

    It takes SO much resources to be produce a series as IS, let alone do a second version. Sorry.

    Tysnow: r what it’s worth) is that the fantasy will minimalized initially, and become more evident as season one progresses. If they start talking about cutting out the birth of Dany’s dragons, or altering Melisandre in season two then I might get concerned; for now I’m happy with the balance. InkasrainQuote

  336. Inkasrain
    Posted November 29, 2010 at 10:40 pm | Permalink

    Ed,

    What wouldn’t happen?

  337. Ed
    Posted November 29, 2010 at 10:46 pm | Permalink

    Sorry, THIS is what I was referring to about “not ever happening”…

    Tysnow:I still believe that this series has great potential to reach a far wider audience and be a massive cash cow if they would create two versions (which is not difficult with modern technology), besides the hard R adaption (faithful to the books), HBO could still do a little trimming to a hard PG-13 version which could be released perhaps a week or two afterwards lets say on Saturdays to pull in even more viewers and get a preteen and teen fanbase going. I know many will scream at this suggestion, but I am just being sensible and thinking from a marketing perspective. Afterall enlarging fanbase while maintaining quality = better ratings and profits = going the distance.    

  338. Zack
    Posted November 29, 2010 at 10:54 pm | Permalink

    Not sure why people can accept dragons and Faceless Men but purple eyes cross the line for them…

    I’ll be disappointed if they don’t do something to differentiate her eyes and hair, as it does matter to the plot.

  339. Zack
    Posted November 29, 2010 at 11:04 pm | Permalink

    Smegma:

    For a screen actor, especially in a series that is so heavily dependent upon character intricacies, the most minute movements of their faces are how they will convey emotion. The best actors use minimalist facial expressions as part of their craft. Anything to hinder that will lead to overacting.    

    I seem to remember Hellboy working quite well in cinematic form. I’d think that a combo of makeup and CGI could work wonders for Tyrion.

    Not to mention you’re ignoring a middle ground. It isn’t like you have to say, “Well, if they went the path of complete accuracy to the source material, Dinklage would lose the power of expression, so let’s not do *anything* to him!”

    It doesn’t have to be all or nothing. A bulging forehead, a prosthetic nose, some minor scarring. There’s a way to play up his “ugly” exterior that won’t be too much of a hindrance to his facial expressions. I’m cynical, thinking they’re doing it because Dinklage is handsome…but good grief. Charlize Theron’s a babe, but I wasn’t complaining about Monster.

  340. Smegma
    Posted November 29, 2010 at 11:12 pm | Permalink

    Zack:
    I seem to remember Hellboy working quite well in cinematic form. I’d think that a combo of makeup and CGI could work wonders for Tyrion.Not to mention you’re ignoring a middle ground. It isn’t like you have to say, “Well, if they went the path of complete accuracy to the source material, Dinklage would lose the power of expression, so let’s not do *anything* to him!”It doesn’t have to be all or nothing. A bulging forehead, a prosthetic nose, some minor scarring. There’s a way to play up his “ugly” exterior that won’t be too much of a hindrance to his facial expressions. I’m cynical, thinking they’re doing it because Dinklage is handsome…but good grief. Charlize Theron’s a babe, but I wasn’t complaining about Monster.    

    Hellboy is a comic book movie. This show will be rooted in its human element. Yes, it has fantastical elements. But the strength of it is how these very flawed people act in these circumstances, and how they convey their inner emotions. Especially because we won’t have the benefit of the POV’s, this is especially important to convey these things visually. The slightest glint of an eye, a subtle furrow of the brow, the tightness of the lips will do so much more for characters than anything else they can do.

    I also think they may ug up Tyrion later on, but this will make that change that much more startling.

    Charlize Theron in Monster wasn’t made horrific looking, just different. I also think her eyes would have benefited from not wearing the contacts.

  341. Smegma
    Posted November 29, 2010 at 11:16 pm | Permalink

    Zack: Not sure why people can accept dragons and Faceless Men but purple eyes cross the line for them…I’ll be disappointed if they don’t do something to differentiate her eyes and hair, as it does matter to the plot.    

    Purple eyes do exist, I dated a guy with them. However, turning someone’s eyes purple with the aid of contacts makes them look false. That’s all I meant. It’s like Botox. Yeah it can help someone have the illusion of looking younger, but it removes their ability to subtly emote – and the actors that do this suffer for it, and the audience always knows there’s something off about their face, even if they didn’t know they got Botox.

    Obviously HBO agrees with me, because they feel that it’s more important to look “real” than remain 100% accurate. I think right away the hair makes them look different, and I think that was the right move.

  342. Peltast
    Posted November 29, 2010 at 11:21 pm | Permalink

    WOOOOOOOOOOOAAA is pretty much my reaction to the trailer. The second part of the trailer was pretty generic movie trailer lines, but the beheading scene and the voiceover is spot-on.

    Excuse me, I have to go watch it again.

  343. Zack
    Posted November 29, 2010 at 11:35 pm | Permalink

    Smegma:
    Especially because we won’t have the benefit of the POV’s, this is especially important to convey these things visually. The slightest glint of an eye, a subtle furrow of the brow, the tightness of the lips will do so much more for characters than anything else they can do.

    You might be right. :)

    For me, the reason why I would prefer Tyrion being ugly as the show opens is not so much that it’s canon, but for the thematic purpose of showing the contrast of the ugly exterior with inner goodness, polar opposite of the rest of the Lannisters. So I never felt like HBO needed to go to the extreme with his makeup. Just something. But as more and more has been shown, I’m starting to believe that they could handle it so that his stature could just do double duty as a way to make him seem ‘freakish’ and thus maintain that important contrast.

  344. Zack
    Posted November 29, 2010 at 11:45 pm | Permalink

    In fact, maybe it’s even better that way. Maybe people would’ve thought, “Gee, they’re hitting us over the head with that notion of beauty, aren’t they?” Things can come across differently on screen than in print.

    A handsome dwarf being treated like a monster…called the Imp…it’s just going to seem even *more* unfair that way…

    still, I hope they ugly him up slightly for his battle aftermath. CGI off an ear or something.

  345. Inkasrain
    Posted November 30, 2010 at 12:05 am | Permalink

    Zack: In fact, maybe it’s even better that way. Maybe people would’ve thought, “Gee, they’re hitting us over the head with that notion of beauty, aren’t they?” Things can come across differently on screen than in print.

    This. Definitely. YMMV, but I tend to think it’s easier to synthesize physical oddities in a mental image than an actual visual. We’re all expecting purple eyes and ugly dwarves, but I think for a standard viewer, these things would jump out visually more than their importance warrants.

    But I do agree with what’s been said above; by the time we (please) get to Blackwater, they can carve up poor Peter Dinklage’s face like a Christmas ham, and I think it will look splendid ;-)

  346. The Young Wolf
    Posted November 30, 2010 at 12:20 am | Permalink

    Ok time for another fan rant! (First post btw)
    The first time I saw this was in a train station, so unfortunately I had to contain my incredible excitement about how ridiculously EPIC it is. Even after the 20th time it remains amazing to me how well the series is turning out. So far I have been nothing but impressed by what HBO has done with the book.
    Things I liked about the trailer:
    1. The clip of Will’s execution. Yes, they changed it from Gared to Will but from my point of view it’s just a small detail in the grand scheme of things, GRRM could have easily gone the other way and made it Will originally to drive the point home that Ned is set on doing whatever is necessary to uphold his honor and that of his House, like HBO has done here. It’s the perfect way to set the tone for the series as dark and gritty, as one cannot picture Boromir executing a man sworn to protect him.
    2. Isaac Hempstead Wright IS Bran Stark, so I’ll be even more sad and angry after his fall.
    3. I for one am glad they did not make Dany’s eyes purple. It is an extraneous detail and she is beautiful already. That said, if they decide to include them in post-production, I am all for it.
    4. Peter Dinklage is the only man on the planet able to play Tyrion. IMO he may deliver the greatest acting performance since Heath Ledger’s Joker. Also I am glad they did not ugly him up. Tyrion needs to be a sympathetic character so that casual viewers do not simply view the show as Starks vs. Lannisters, and viewers are less likely to fall in love with an ugly character.
    5. Love the chemistry between Cersei and Ned. At first I was wondering how Headey, who I have only seen in heroine roles, would play an evil, cunning, hateful character. Now I am a believer.
    6. Gregor vs. Sandor O.O
    7. NCW, even with the brown hair, finally looks like the Jaime I imagined. I never picture characters’ faces in my head when I’m reading, but for some reason he just looks right to me. More doubts put to rest.
    8. LOVED the part when Tyrion slapped Joff. Well deserved (not that I normally condone violence against children…I can only wonder at what people new to the show think of all these types of reactions to that part).
    9. Old Nan + epic music FTW!
    10. Once again, I got chills when Ned said the ultimate, showstopping, soon to be legendary line…
    WINTER IS COMING!!!

  347. alan777
    Posted November 30, 2010 at 12:49 am | Permalink

    Can’t stop watching this trailer. I am a junkie. This show is going to own more than the Walking Dead and True Blood combined plus Dexter on top. Once it really starts rolling it is going to get INSANE. O.O

  348. Wolfheart
    Posted November 30, 2010 at 12:58 am | Permalink

    Smegma:
    They never, ever look natural though. It looks like they are wearing contacts and I think removes the verisimilitude from the scene, especially in close ups. I always find when actors wear colored contacts to be very jarring and it takes me out of the moment.

        

    Just because the colors your used to seeing in the real world in eye colors does NOT mean it can’t be pulled off. Its just another color, just like blue, gray, green, brown, yellow…

    To assume it wouldn’t look good but I think the word you’re lookinf for is normal not natural. You do realize that the color you see in your eye is actually a combination of tones, tints etc…and any color is natural.

    The color is supposed to jar you, because its not normal. The color can be done if done subtely instead of bluntly and boldly. For all we know. The color of Emilia’s eyes could actually be a very subtle lilac with hints of nuetrals in it, giving it that gray color. Until HBO full on prooves to me they are what they are or not. I’ll sit by with hope.

  349. alan777
    Posted November 30, 2010 at 1:01 am | Permalink

    The only thing I want right now is this third Game of Thrones trailer in 1080p. Then I would be happy beyond belief. Please HBO give it to us in 1080p!!!!

  350. Wolfheart
    Posted November 30, 2010 at 1:03 am | Permalink

    Smegma:
    Purple eyes do exist, I dated a guy with them. However, turning someone’s eyes purple with the aid of contacts makes them look false. That’s all I meant. It’s like Botox. Yeah it can help someone have the illusion of looking younger, but it removes their ability to subtly emote – and the actors that do this suffer for it, and the audience always knows there’s something off about their face, even if they didn’t know they got Botox.
    Obviously HBO agrees with me, because they feel that it’s more important to look “real” than remain 100% accurate. I think right away the hair makes them look different, and I think that was the right move.    

    Now this is a more thought out response, and logical. Good point. In lengthy thought. Maybe for closeups in tv or photo and marketing HBO will give her her purple eyes. But in quick shots or distant they will not. Therefor giving way to get rid of contacts, which I AGREE can at times look unatural. And bring in the post production CGI.

  351. Steve B.
    Posted November 30, 2010 at 1:19 am | Permalink

    Question re: lighting and sets-

    Has anyone else been struck by disparity of, well, quality in the “reality” of the lighting and sets? I’ve really liked the natural lighting of places like the Wall and the North in general, but have repeatedly felt that King’s Landing and the Red keep have come off as very “set”-ish, with weird hard shadows cast, and really fake looking plants in the background.

    You can see what I’m talking about in 1)the Clegane duel, 2) the Ned/Cersei scene in the Red Keep (both in this teaser and the 2nd one), and 3) the Ned/Jaime scene in King’s Landing. Do you think they’ll sort of “add-in” the bits of reality later on? It all seems a bit harsh and fake looking at times, like it’s theater. Honestly, I got the same vibe from the bit we saw of Drogo and Dany at the (what I can only assume was) the Illyrio’s mansion.

    And yet, the stuff on the Wall, in the winch, and in the training yard, look great. Very gritty and real. And the stuff at the beginning looks great too.

    In general, I’ve been real happy with the production so far, but this stuff about KL not looking very real has been in my mind, and I haven’t seen anyone mention it.

  352. Lex
    Posted November 30, 2010 at 1:25 am | Permalink

    After probably my 30th viewing, I think it’s worth re-stating how amazing Esme Bianco looks in this trailer. :)

  353. anna howard
    Posted November 30, 2010 at 2:02 am | Permalink

    persephone88,

    That is what I am thinking too and maybe the dark eyeshadow he is wearing wont really be noticed as make up with the lighting. They use this effect on stage. He did look pretty menacing though.

  354. the goat
    Posted November 30, 2010 at 3:07 am | Permalink

    Steve B.,

    Its funny that you think the Ned/Jaime scene seems “set”-ish, since it was shot on location in Malta, on an actual street. The Ned/Cersei scene may have been on a set, but she also shot some scenes in Malta, so who knows. As far as the shot of Ned walking into the Red Keep from Saturday’s clip, what exactly made it look “set”-ish? Was it the fact that they showed the camera, the boom mike, the scaffolding and the row of lights above the fake walls?

  355. GrzebykK
    Posted November 30, 2010 at 3:24 am | Permalink

    Trailer + HEAVY snowing here = Winter Has Almost Come

  356. LivveHult
    Posted November 30, 2010 at 4:15 am | Permalink

    About those eyes – because I don’t think anyone has mentioned this before, though to be fair I skimmed through the last 50 or so comments…. a hundred or so almost carboncopied comments about this or that, entwined with nitpicking and banter or all sorts is a little over my preferred focus level. No offence intended

    (though what happened to this being the friendliest and most civil of forums, really? Feels like we are back inte days of trolls and misundertandings for some reason. Hollar if you agree)

    Colored contact lenses make the person wearing them seem off. They can’t show anything – might as well be wax. So much of a persons emotions are shown in the eyes. It’s not just cliché but actually a very true effect of how the light reduces or opens up the iris.
    Therefore the lens with a set opening for the iris is ineffeciant.
    I for one would much rather actually see the emotions these amazing good actors put on – than nitpick about theyr eyes not being a certain color.

    And I don’t think I’ll care when the show airs. The short clips with Tyrion, Fairley and Bean and now with Bran are enough to make me superexcited about this and about their action. Gosh they found the right Bran! Love his expression in the close up.

    Also – a bit scary to say in this crowd of joy and exclamations – but I was less than awed with the trailer.
    I loved the teaser for the making of video a lot more. And that is because I favor the acting and drama over the action and sworddrawings.
    I have no doubt this is going to be the best show I have ever seen – simply from the small clips with real emotions
    ( the Doreah/Irri taking Danys head and turning it towards her scene a good example here – very short clip, very clear emotions)

    But the action side of it – not so much my thrill.
    No doubt though, that I’ll enjoy it on the show. It just doesn’t tickle my nerves as much as the drama clips.

  357. LivveHult
    Posted November 30, 2010 at 4:21 am | Permalink

    Steve B.,

    I quite agree. Have felt the ame thing about KL lighting and such… Hoping hoping hoping it wn’t look that set-ish when the whole scenes play out….

    (btw sorry for typos in former post… some of the letters on my keyboard are slow and I sometimes forget to PUNCH them hard…)

  358. Rinoa De la Pica
    Posted November 30, 2010 at 5:02 am | Permalink

    About the lack of purple eyes for Viserys and Daenerys, perhaps they are planning to add the colour as a special and visual effect *only* when these characters get angry (‘waking the dragon’). Who knows…

    Not a thing that worries me though. A distorted plot or character would be much worse. But what I’ve seen so far is a very nice and faithful adaptation. The only thing is that us, extreme fans, are impatient to see more and more, but wait until proper trailers, guys. This show is going to be even better than Lotr, with all my respects to my favourite movies.

  359. ablaaa
    Posted November 30, 2010 at 5:19 am | Permalink

    Rinoa De la Pica,

    oh, Hi again. How are things in Spain? : D

  360. Jan Oda
    Posted November 30, 2010 at 7:24 am | Permalink

    Steve B.,

    About those weird plants… If you’re talking about the pink trunpet like ones in the Cercei/Ned scene, I have plants like that here, and the moment I saw them I thought. YES. That would sooooo be a plant Cercei would keep in her quarters. They are called Pandorae Jasminoides (or Trumpet Flowers), and they have a heavy but delicious, tropical kinda scent.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pandorea_jasminoides

  361. persephone88
    Posted November 30, 2010 at 8:03 am | Permalink

    Smegma,

    I disagree about the natural comment regarding contacts. I think it depends on the hue and the person’s skin tone. Years ago when I was teaching, I wore contacts that were a dark blue violet color, at a glance they seemed dark blue. Only close up did you notice the violet tinge to them. My students (teens) just figured they were my natural eye color – the first time I came in without them, my real eye color (light gray) freaked them out. They were so accustomed to what they thought was my natural dark eye color that they said paleness of my natural color looked “weird”, like wolf eyes. As long as contacts for Dany are not a very unnatural shade, but with more of a deep blue or brown undertone, I think a purplish hint would look fine.

    But while it would be nice to see the purple Targaryen tint, I think it’s more important that they get the hair right for her.

  362. Shinyteapot
    Posted November 30, 2010 at 8:23 am | Permalink

    Wolfheart:
    To true. I laughed at that. You’re right! They wouldn’t really protect the head would they. Quick/easy to be knocked off. Easy to get under, odd unpractical thin edge running from ear to ear.I dub them “Lannister lampshade helmets!” I’m sure it will catch on…haha!    

    Lannishades :p

  363. Inkasrain
    Posted November 30, 2010 at 8:53 am | Permalink

    I also thought the lighting of the King’s Landing shots seemed odd (a little… plastic, maybe?) but if I remember right, the Malta scenes were filmed quite a bit more recently than the Winterfell/Wall/NI scenes. I’m going to go with the assumption that those parts haven’t been through much post production yet, and we’ll get a better sense of what it will look like in upcoming trailers.

  364. The Winter Rose
    Posted November 30, 2010 at 9:14 am | Permalink

    Jan Oda: Tysnow, Anyone else preferred the more whitish hair of Daenerys in the stills compared to the more yellowish of the trailer? I actually liked the slighty unnatural look of the white hair, because it made the Taergyens stand out.  Quote  Reply

    Yeah, right there with you. I mean, she looks stunningly beautiful and ethereal either way, but I was hoping they would keep the unnatural white rather than go more toward the platnum blonde to retain the air of magic associated with the Targaryens. Either way she still seems to have that otherworldly quality.

    About the contacts debate… I actually have a pair of violet contacts. My natural eye color is light blue and when I put my contacts on they surprisingly make my eyes darker. They do pop a bit more, but they may not be going that route because maybe the contacts were darkening her eyes too. It would be nice if they could add just a hint of lavendar in there, but I think her gray eyes are still quite lovely and expressive. And as others have mentioned, it works with her being the “Stormborn” and all.

  365. Steve B.
    Posted November 30, 2010 at 10:31 am | Permalink

    Jan Oda,

    See, I’m a landscape designer, so I know the plant, but they just don’t look real to me. And the lighting isn’t natural either. Same thing goes for the very odd tree-thing in the Ned/Jaime scene. It’s only a detail, but when you add it together with the sort of forced lighting angles, etc. it just felt a bit off to me. Not as “real” as other shots have felt.

    LivveHult,
    Yes, I’m aware that they’re on a set, and that we can see cameras and props, etc. I’m not a jackass. Why reply if you’re not going to take my question seriously? I’ve been avidly following the show on this site, just like everyone else, and I know they’re filming onsite in Malta for that Ned/Jaime scene, but it still can feel like a set, even if the buildings are real.

    I mean, the tourney is filmed in a real outdoor space too, but it really felt like a set, and not like a worn, real place. A lot of it’s in the lighting, which I don’t know if they change post production or not.

    I don’t know, I’m just curious how the process goes. If this sort of “set” look is pretty common or not in the early stages or not. etc.

  366. Straphe
    Posted November 30, 2010 at 10:53 am | Permalink

    Michael Silva,

    Not true. :) One of them loves fantasy, others enjoy quality TV. :)

    But hey, what could our average joe think after watching this teaser? It’s way too short. One can’t even see what’s the main theme of the show, if truth be told. And that’s okay, ’cause we’re still months away from the premiere. And even if the numbers are bad, people will start watching (a’la Starz’s Spartacus), because it will be epic.

  367. Smegma
    Posted November 30, 2010 at 11:10 am | Permalink

    People who think that their eyes look natural in colored contacts are just fooling themselves and/or surrounded by people that were incapable of paying attention to anything. I’ve never, ever not noticed it when it’s fake, even when they are supposed to be “natural” looking contacts, and I always find it jarring to look at. Especially on camera – and even moreso in HD, where there will be close ups that linger and catch every detail. As someone up thread said, it’s a significant impediment when trying to express detailed emotions. It’s all a moot point, as HBO obviously felt the same way because really, putting contacts in would have been a cheap and easy way to achieve the look – but they seem to think it was not a good idea as well.

  368. Jan Oda
    Posted November 30, 2010 at 12:02 pm | Permalink

    Steve B.,

    Oh. Then maybe it’s because I saw them everyday this summer that I don’t get the unrealistic feeling. i love trumpetflowers :)

    I find it intriguing how real things can feel unrealistic to people, the mind it plays strange tricks with us. Which doesn’t devalidate your feelings about the subject though.

    The only thing that feels unrealistic to me lighting wise is the Dany/Drogo scene. But it’s possible that’s because it’s so different from the other scenes.

  369. Steve B
    Posted November 30, 2010 at 12:56 pm | Permalink

    Jan Oda,

    Sorry if my reply implied that I thought you didn’t know what you were talking about. That wasn’t my intention at all. I was simply trying to show how I knew a little something about the plant in question. Clearly it looks real to you, but fake to me. And clearly we both know the plant well. So there you have it. My point was simply that the scene looked a bit staged and fake to me. The plant was just one small detail from a couple of kl scenes I was discussing.

  370. Jan Oda
    Posted November 30, 2010 at 2:57 pm | Permalink

    Steve B,

    Oh I didn’t take it like that at all. Like I said, it’s intriguing how different things leave different impressions on the realism scale for everyone. And everybody notices different details. That’s why I keep coming back to read the comments.

    For instance, I’ve been miffed by Eddards hair-do since the first picture we saw of him. I never pictured him as a man who would take the time to get so neat a haircut. He just looks too clean to me. But then again, maybe Catelyn is the sort of wife who makes sure her husband looks clean no matter what :) .

  371. Knurk
    Posted November 30, 2010 at 4:12 pm | Permalink

    Steve B.,

    Totally agree with you. It’s the only thing that bugs me, those King’s landing shots are maybe too big a difference with the north. It looks off, and what you say: it looks like a set.

    I’m more for a gritty, dirty and natural look. I hate it when movies get added contrast in post-production, it just looks fake to me.

  372. the goat
    Posted November 30, 2010 at 4:28 pm | Permalink

    Steve B.,

    Sorry, just made me laugh because a) the Jaime/Ned scene is not on a set and b) the shot of Ned in the Red Keep was a Behind-the-Scenes shot where they are actually showing the audience that they are filming on an elaborately detailed set. Apparently they elicited exactly the opposite reaction from you than they were shooting for.

    Reminds me of the Simpsons episode where Hollywood comes to Springfield to film the Radioactive Man movie. Bart runs into a couple film crew painting big black spots on a horse.
    “Why are you painting spots on that horse?”
    “Its gonna be a cow in the movie.”
    “Why don’t you just use a cow.”
    “Cuz cows don’t look like cows on film. You gotta use horses.”
    “Oh. So what do you do if you need a horse?”
    “Eh, usually just tape a buncha cats together.”

  373. TDP
    Posted November 30, 2010 at 8:51 pm | Permalink

    “People are just bitchy. I keep seeing, “I imagined…” Don’t imagine- go read the book, to see what was *actually* written, or let go and accept that it doesn’t matter if Bran’s hair is more brown than auburn. Good God. That trailer was magnificent. Enough with the embarrassing nitpicking. ”

    I’m a huge fan of the series, and I’m looking forward to the show, but I wouldn’t call that trailer “magnificent”.

    Also, there are things other than hair color to worry about, in regards to the appearance of things in the show.

    But really, why is Ned’s hair so red?

  374. Steve B.
    Posted November 30, 2010 at 10:19 pm | Permalink

    the goat,

    Lordy, people– I KNOW that the Ned/Jaime scene wasn’t on a set. I simply said I thought it looked staged, and not as gritty/real as some of the other scenes. And yes, you can make a real place looked staged and fake if you use funky props or heavy lighting, so the point still stands.

    And yes, the other shot with Ned/Cersei is clearly on a set, as they let us know. I’m not innane. That doesn’t mean things can’t look pretty real anyways though, if it was done right. For instance, stuff on the wall looks awesome, but it’s clearly all on a set as well. So it can be done. I just haven’t been convinced by what we’ve seen of KL is all.

    I’m interested to see the footage on Sunday though. 15 mins, even 15 mins interspersed with interviews, etc., should be enough to either confirm or put to rest a lot of the questions for good.

  375. Ed
    Posted November 30, 2010 at 10:26 pm | Permalink

    Huh? How would you know? If you DIDN’T notice a pair of contacts, you would never know unless they came back and said, “These are contacts.” PPPpfffffttttttt….

    Smegma:

    I’ve never, ever not noticed it when it’s fake, even when they are supposed to be “natural” looking contacts,

  376. GaR
    Posted November 30, 2010 at 11:39 pm | Permalink

    Steve B.,

    Wow, I’m glad I don’t have your standards. It’s hard to imagine enjoying anything

  377. LivveHult
    Posted December 1, 2010 at 5:28 am | Permalink

    Steve B.: LivveHult,Yes, I’m aware that they’re on a set, and that we can see cameras and props, etc. I’m not a jackass. Why reply if you’re not going to take my question seriously? I’ve been avidly following the show on this site, just like everyone else, and I know they’re filming onsite in Malta for that Ned/Jaime scene, but it still can feel like a set, even if the buildings are real.I mean, the tourney is filmed in a real outdoor space too, but it really felt like a set, and not like a worn, real place. A lot of it’s in the lighting, which I don’t know if they change post production or not. I don’t know, I’m just curious how the process goes. If this sort of “set” look is pretty common or not in the early stages or not. etc.  Quote  Reply

    Whaat?? Either you completely misread my post – or confused who you were replying to. Not taking your post seriously??
    Honestly. You need to re-read my post. I am agreeing with your every sentiment…

    LivveHult: Steve B., I quite agree. Have felt the ame thing about KL lighting and such… Hoping hoping hoping it wn’t look that set-ish when the whole scenes play out….(btw sorry for typos in former post… some of the letters on my keyboard are slow and I sometimes forget to PUNCH them hard…)  Quote  Reply

  378. Steve B.
    Posted December 1, 2010 at 8:35 am | Permalink

    LivveHult,

    Huh. I must have replied to the wrong person. Weird. I see that now. Funny! ;P Yeah, we’re pretty much on the wrong page.

    GaR,
    No need to be snarky about it. I like all kinds of stuff. It just seemed like HBO was going for “gritty and real” in a lot of the other locations, but that KL didn’t have the same feel to me. That’s all. And very few people had mentioned the lighting, which seemed off to me when so little generally has about this production, so I thought I would talk about it. That’s all.

  379. Steve B.
    Posted December 1, 2010 at 8:36 am | Permalink

    How about, “Yeah, we’re pretty much on the *same* page.” I also vote for an edit button!

  380. LivveHult
    Posted December 1, 2010 at 11:56 am | Permalink

    Steve B.,

    ;) no worries. was veerry surprised though! :D

  381. Spacesocks
    Posted December 1, 2010 at 1:37 pm | Permalink

    I’m actually pleased that they’re going with Dinklage’s natural eye color for the show. I thought giving Tyrion mismatched eyes was one of GRRM’s sillier moves. It seemed like a cheap way to make the character weird-looking, and it kind of annoyed me. As for the question of whether they should have uglified him, I don’t think book-Tyrion is necessarily all that ugly, at least before he loses most of his nose. As far as I can see, descriptions of how “ugly” he is basically just state characteristic features of achondroplasia in exaggerated and unflattering terms (apart from the mismatched eyes, which aren’t associated with any form of dwarfism that I know of). For example, here’s how he’s described in the first Jon chapter: “His head was too large for his body, with a brute’s squashed-in face beneath a swollen shelf of a brow…” Read: “somewhat enlarged head, short midface, sunken nasal bridge, prominent forehead.” Peter Dinklage happens to have these traits to varying degrees (maybe not the forehead so much), and also happens to be handsome, but in medieval times he would probably be considered ugly automatically.
    I don’t care much one way or another about Dany’s eye color. Purple might have looked cool; then again, it might have looked tacky. Skipping the contacts was probably safer.
    I really doubt they’ll go back and digitally alter the characters’ eye colors. That would be much more expensive than giving the actors color contacts in the first place, and would probably be even more fake-looking.

    Regarding the showdown outside of Chataya’s and how it appears to take place during the day: it’s actually quite common to shoot night scenes during the day and darken them in postproduction. I wouldn’t be surprised if that’s what’s going on here, and that they’ll get around to making it look nightish by the time that episode is broadcast. It’s also not unheard of for teasers and trailers to contain shots that aren’t quite finished, or shots or lines of dialogue that are cut from the finished product (see: early LOTR teasers; heck, even the official FOTR trailer). I wouldn’t be too worried about Jaime’s hair color either; we’ve seen pictures of him looking unambiguously blond, and anyway golden blond hair can look brown in dull-enough lighting.

  382. Jake
    Posted December 2, 2010 at 1:07 am | Permalink

    Spacesocks,

    Agree exactly with what you’re saying about Tyrion. His Achondroplasia is being witnessed through the eyes of someone (Jon) who has just seen the regal symmetry of Jaime Lannister. The contrast is jarring, and therefore harsh, when he notices Tyrion for the first time.

    Beauty is in the eye of the beholder, and in Tyrion’s case, he simply possesses some of the common traits of dwarfism.

  383. Ashley
    Posted December 2, 2010 at 12:49 pm | Permalink

    Not going to lie, at first I thought that was Tyrion slapping a woman. Had to rewatch a few times before I realized it was Joffrey!!

  384. kanjisheik
    Posted December 3, 2010 at 10:31 am | Permalink

    Can someone provide a download link for the trailer? Thanks! :)

  385. fleabottom lurker
    Posted December 4, 2010 at 7:23 pm | Permalink

    This may be a little late but why are they executing Will instead of Gared? (Maybe I’ve missed news about the change or something)

  386. Fire And Blood
    Posted December 4, 2010 at 7:50 pm | Permalink

    fleabottom lurker: This may be a little late but why are they executing Will instead of Gared? (Maybe I’ve missed news about the change or something)    

    I think in the context of television, it helps the audience form (however brief) a connection with the poor schmuck who gets his dome lopped off. I think the idea is that you introduce Will as “the good guy who was good enough to get away” and then sock us in the mouth with his sudden and shocking execution. People unfamiliar with the book (which will be the majority of viewers) may automatically go on the assumption that Will is one of the lead characters. To have him then killed in the very next scene is a nice way of pulling the rug out from under us. And it sets up the Starks as some serious hard-ass mo’ fo’s.

    Why couldn’t this be done with Gared? No idea. There’s a chance they saw something in Bronson Webb’s acting that made them believe he was more sympathetic.

    Plus, it may be more believable that the young, athletic guy is the one who escapes. Bronson Webb is no slouch. He wowed me in the beginning of Russel Crowe’s Robin Hood movie by sprinting across a battlefield and hurdling dead bodies as if he were in a track meet, then scaling half a wall in one leap. If nothing else, the man is athletic. I’m glad the production was able to retain his services.

    Either way, it’s a change from the leaked pilot script, which still had Gared as the executee. I’m going to assume this was a change that happened after the pilot was ordered re-shot… but I can’t be sure.

  387. Mormegil
    Posted December 4, 2010 at 7:56 pm | Permalink

    fleabottom lurker: This may be a little late but why are they executing Will instead of Gared? (Maybe I’ve missed news about the change or something)  Quote  Reply

    There’s been no offical reason given.

    Could be they felt the scene worked better with Ned executing someone younger or as Bronson Webb (Will) was the only Prologue actor that came back from the pilot they upped his role (pretty sure it was Gared who was executed in the Pilot version)

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