Quick Hits: Lists, candles and GRRM signing
By Winter Is Coming on in Press.

Let’s take a look at some Game Of Thrones-related news bits from this past week, shall we?

  • Lots of “what are you looking forward to on TV in 2011″ lists are coming out now and Game Of Thrones is popping up on many of them. Mo Ryan included it on TVSquad’s list, IMDb has it on their list and TV.com has already declared a top 5 spot for Thrones in their “Look Back at 2011″ list for next year!
  • In other online media news, The Atlantic’s Alyssa Rosenberg published a nice piece last week about HBO’s gamble with Game Of Thrones and its potential for a ground-breaking success.
  • Bet you didn’t think the making of candles for film and TV productions would be worthy of a story in a newspaper? Well, you’d be wrong as this article at Wales Online talks about Gelligroes Mill and Candle Workshop making candles for Game Of Thrones. The Prince of Wales’ official candle makers have also made candles for films such as Pirates of the Caribbean and Harry Potter and TV shows such as Doctor Who and Merlin.
  • Lastly, as most of you know, George R. R. Martin is heading to LA next weekend to appear on HBO’s winter TCA Game Of Thrones panel. While there, he has plans to have a book signing at Vroman’s Bookstore in Pasadena on Sun, Jan 9 at 5 PM. Shortly afterwards, he plans to meet with the fans for a bit. If you’d like to attend the post-signing get-together, sign up in this thread over at Westeros.

39 Comments

  1. jwsnasa
    Posted December 28, 2010 at 11:02 am | Permalink

    GRRM, come to Ohio for a signing. Hey, winter’s already here…LOL

  2. A Man Grown
    Posted December 28, 2010 at 11:11 am | Permalink

    Several of the things Rosenberg says in that article just don’t quite seem right and make me wonder whether she actually read the books. For one thing, she makes it sound like chivalry is the norm in the world of ASoIAF, but that was not my reading at all, what with all the rape that goes on. Her comments on the magical elements are also misleading. It seems like Rosenberg wants Game of Thrones to be more like Lord of the Rings than it actually is.

  3. Steve Hugh Westenra
    Posted December 28, 2010 at 11:52 am | Permalink

    A Man Grown,

    There is actually quite a lot of chivalry in the books. The problem is moreso our notion of what chivalry was considered to be versus what it actually meant during the Middle Ages. It was very much accepted that knights and suchlike could rape women and burn holdfasts, etc, as long as they weren’t noble women or friendly villages. Enemy territory was fair game and peasant women had very few rights. It would be unchivalric, for a knight to rape the lady of the manner, for instance, but perfectly within his rights to rape five peasant girls consecutively while marauding.
    There’s also the tourneys, the importance of ransoming high-born enemies during wartime (as opposed to slaying them on the battlefield). All of these are important aspects of chivalric culture.

  4. Ninepenny
    Posted December 28, 2010 at 12:13 pm | Permalink

    Oh dear, I misread the title as “GRRM singing”. Anyway, it is great to see how much love GoT is getting.

  5. Ninepenny
    Posted December 28, 2010 at 12:15 pm | Permalink

    Ninepenny: Oh dear, I misread the title as “GRRM singing”. Anyway, it is great to see how much love GoT is getting.

    Note: When I misread the title as “GRRM singing” it evoked a mental image of him singing The Bear and the Maiden Fair.

  6. mummer
    Posted December 28, 2010 at 1:13 pm | Permalink

    A Man Grown,

    Another way to say what Steve is saying: chivalry in its original sense just means the institution of knighthood, the idea that there are such things as knights, how they get their title, what their duties are supposed to be, etc. It comes from “chevalier” which just means “knight” or “horseman”. There are also ideals of proper behavior that went along with that (although as Steve says, those were pretty selective… and were exaggerated by romantic literature), so these days when people talk about chivalry they just mean something like “being gentlemanly.” There’s no way to tell which sense Rosenberg meant it in, but she’s not necessarily wrong.

  7. Nicole
    Posted December 28, 2010 at 1:48 pm | Permalink

    I didn’t really like the article from the Atlantic. The writing was hard to follow, massive spoilers are included and it really didn’t represent GOT well.

  8. digdoug
    Posted December 28, 2010 at 2:17 pm | Permalink

    The Atlantic piece was a good summary of not only the business of shows but the cultural impact original stories can have on the populous. Let us hope that this can garner the interest of Mad Men or Walking Dead; I think that is what we should strive to pass.
    From there, the Wall is the limit!

  9. Sekhmet
    Posted December 28, 2010 at 2:32 pm | Permalink

    I was hoping that Gelligroes Mill had a website where I could admire their candles, but alas not. Martha Stewart had the head of the French equivalent Cire Trudon on the other day for a fascinating segment that unfortunately did not include smellavision

    http://www.ciretrudon.com/en/index.html

  10. Two Feathers
    Posted December 28, 2010 at 2:39 pm | Permalink

    Thanks to Wic,FaB and HMR for your support and encouragement over the past year.Its been a lot of fun.Good luck for the future.And a very happy new year to all of our regular contributors and commenters, especially my local crew Silverjamie,Rimshot and Martin.

  11. Steven Scott
    Posted December 28, 2010 at 3:01 pm | Permalink

    You have to be a pretty sad individual to want to meet Martin’s creepy ass.

  12. A Man Grown
    Posted December 28, 2010 at 3:18 pm | Permalink

    Thanks for the clarification on chivalry guys. I guess when I hear chivalry associated with these books I think of the modern sense and go “uhh…what about Gregor Clegane?” but there’s definitely a lot of ceremony and rules associated with the tourneys and such.

  13. Winter Is Coming
    Posted December 28, 2010 at 3:23 pm | Permalink

    Steven Scott,

    Not sure what is so sad about wanting to meet your favorite author. Unless you find shaking hands and telling someone you enjoy their work to be pathetic?

  14. A Man Grown
    Posted December 28, 2010 at 3:24 pm | Permalink

    Ninepenny:
    Note: When I misread the title as “GRRM singing” it evoked a mental image of him singing The Bear and the Maiden Fair.    

    Haha yes! A certain scene involving that song and Sansa and the Tyrells is my favorite moment of the series so far. If GRRM cameoed as the singer in that scene it would make it even better.

  15. Titus Crow
    Posted December 28, 2010 at 4:03 pm | Permalink

    IGN also has a photo spread up. Old news as far as we are concerned but any press is good press. I can’t understand why AICN hasn’t been pushing this. Seems right up their alley. I’m acting as my own personal street team for the show at work. We have a group of people reading the books and I’ve been touting the show left and right. I can’t wait, I think purists will have some disappointments but on its own this show is looking to the next really great series.

  16. mummer
    Posted December 28, 2010 at 4:27 pm | Permalink

    Winter Is Coming,

    DNFTT, perhaps?

  17. mummer
    Posted December 28, 2010 at 4:41 pm | Permalink

    A Man Grown,

    Well, the books specifically talk about this. Sansa has a lot of romantic notions that she got from songs, and she insists that Gregor is “no true knight”. Sandor is the opposite – he thinks all the ceremonial and ethical traditions are hypocritical crap. Other characters are somewhere in between, but they’ve all at least heard of chivalric ideals and will pay lip service to them in polite company, even if that all goes out the window during a war.

  18. Adam Whitehead
    Posted December 28, 2010 at 4:49 pm | Permalink

    Titus Crow,

    On AICN their main TV guy has said he doesn’t read much, so has been purely going by the buzz from elsewhere. No-one else on the site really gives a toss about TV, except maybe if the hype has been huge and the whole thing is already on DVD.

    Far more bizarre to me is the relative lack of coverage from the UK’s big two SFF magazines, SFX and SciFi Now. They’ve covered other projects in-depth further out from transmission (most recently THE WALKING DEAD) but GoT has gone relatively little-mentioned, aside from a couple of sidebar mentions on casting and a couple of repostings of the videos from the website. When TIME Magazine is covering an SF project more in-depth than “Europe’s biggest-selling SFF magazine,” something has gone wrong somewhere.

  19. Ninepenny
    Posted December 28, 2010 at 5:32 pm | Permalink

    A Man Grown,
    I don’t think the world could handle the awesomeness of what you have just suggested. ‘Tis a good scene indeed.

  20. Hear Me Roar
    Posted December 28, 2010 at 6:26 pm | Permalink

    Two Feathers,

    Thanks for the kind words, always nice to hear from you! Good luck to you too.

  21. A Man Grown
    Posted December 28, 2010 at 6:41 pm | Permalink

    mummer,

    Good point about Sansa vs. Sandor. That’s part of why they’re two of the best characters in the books.

  22. Sekhmet
    Posted December 28, 2010 at 6:43 pm | Permalink

    A Man Grown,

    Chivalry and Courtly Love really got bound up in the French romances.

  23. reedgirl
    Posted December 28, 2010 at 9:23 pm | Permalink

    Oprahganda (and her glazed-over, Kool-aid drinking followers) are also on TVsquad’s list, instantly nullifying its value for me. What’s the allure of that crass, uncouth, shouting, phony woman anyways? Sorry, I choose to think for myself, thanks. GRRM, can we have her meet un-Gregor in the next book?

    HBO’s Game of Thrones WILL be awesome. It is known. (ASOIAF Kool-aid is great for the complexion, btw.)

  24. Steel_Wind
    Posted December 28, 2010 at 9:46 pm | Permalink

    The Atlantic article was written by someone who seems only to have had the book explained to them — by someone who didn’t do a very good job. There’s just not that much magic in the series — and nothing close to an explanation of the religion and mysteries of the World. GRRM does not try to present a cogent world view concerning matters which are best left mysterious. He’s writing a serious series, not “gaming fiction”.

    Aside from Brienne (whose story takes place in later volumes), there is more chivalry — FAR more — in any 1 hour cop drama episode than there is in the entirety of the rest of a Song of Ice and Fire. It’s pretty clear that the author didn’t actually read the books if he didn’t draw that conclusion.

    That said, the prejudices of the average viewer are reflected in the article. If a writer who is getting paid to care enough can’t get it right, that puts the significance of the challenge squarely before us. It’s a complicated series with a complicated story and a premise that is off-putting to a lot of casual viewers. It may be that the average viewer simply won’t be drawn in. We’ll see. I hope for an enthralling series for eight or nine years that spans all seven books; however, I’m realistic enough to know that even getting to a season #2 is a trial. It will depend on subscriptions and DVD sales — not how well they serve enthusiastic (if not pedantic) fans. Bums in seats matters far more than how realistically clad the actors’ bums are.

    As for Sandor hating the supposed “hypocrisy” of knights, that’s all rolled up into his abhorrence of his brother. Gregor made Sandor a monster – and in turn “they” made Gregor a knight. That’s the hypocrisy that Sandor can’t accept and won’t abide. Add in Meryn Trant et al beating up Sansa Stark at Joff’s command– and you have Sandor Clegane’s perspective on knighthood.

  25. Steel_Wind
    Posted December 28, 2010 at 9:55 pm | Permalink

    Re: AICN

    I honestly have become so ANOYED at the steadfast ignorance of the site concerning AGoT that I refuse to visit it anymore.

    Put simply, the geek cred of the site has been exposed and they have been unmasked as being unworthy in their continuing ignorance concerning AGoT.

    Blag Blah Blah ” he doesn’t read much”?!? I don’t particularly care about the whys and wherefores any more. Fuck’em. Seriously. Their continuing attitude towards AGoT is nothing less than an Epic Fail. Whatever micro-cents they used to make on my eyeballs is a micro-penny they don’t make off me anymore. I urge you to do the same. Delete the bookmark and leave them to wallow in their “Green Lantern this” — WOOHOO (whatever) . They aren’t real geeks- they are just pampered fanbois whose loyalty has been purchased.

    Seriously: screw them.

  26. paulgude
    Posted December 28, 2010 at 10:02 pm | Permalink

    Steel_Wind,

    In the same vein, I stopped visiting BuddyTV after they published an article in July of 2010 entitled, “The Future of HBO: ‘Boardwalk Empire’ Premiere and New Alan Ball Show” without a single word regarding “Game of Thrones.”

    The series had been greenlit by then and any article with that narrow of a focus should have at least included a passing mention.

  27. mummer
    Posted December 29, 2010 at 1:09 am | Permalink

    Steel_Wind,
    I don’t know what a “real geek” is, or why anyone should care about a website’s “geek cred.” AICN is mostly about movies. Sometimes they write good reviews; sometimes they like really cheesy stuff; I never expect them to be into all the same things I’m into. It’s not an epic fail or an epic anything at all.

  28. Azeke
    Posted December 29, 2010 at 4:44 am | Permalink

    Placement in those top-charts don’t cost much, since pretty much every other place are taken by reality tv, Oprah, Glee, more reality tv. And did i mention reality tv?

    I mean look at 8th spot there. This is BS. And i LOVE Maura Tierney.

    The best “chart” was from Atlantic and even that was flawed.

  29. Steel_Wind
    Posted December 29, 2010 at 10:53 am | Permalink

    mummer: Steel_Wind,
    I don’t know what a “real geek” is, or why anyone should care about a website’s “geek cred.” AICN is mostly about movies. Sometimes they write good reviews; sometimes they like really cheesy stuff; I never expect them to be into all the same things I’m into. It’s not an epic fail or an epic anything at all.    

    AICN has an extensive “Coaxial” section per day, where they hype genre shows (and even a few popular non-genre shows) DAILY.

    In the past two months, they had ONE LINK to the Enetertainment Weekly pics. That’s it; that’s all.

    There has been more coverage of A Game of Thrones in Time Magazine and The Atlantic then there has been on Ain’t it Cool News. If that’s not a “WTF” moment for a supposed geek media culture website, then that says it all.

    Hell, they have covered the medical drama House and GLEE more than A Game of Thrones.

    These guys have no credibility. They have been bought and paid for. They hype whatever the Man With The Cheque asks them to hype; that much, no more.

  30. Rausraus
    Posted December 29, 2010 at 11:14 am | Permalink

    I like how the article from the Atlantic managed to spoil king Roberts death:

    ‘The show, which like Martin’s books will chronicle the struggle for power after the king of a realm like medieval England, himself a usurper of a previous dynasty, meets a premature death, ‘

    I mean, I’m okay with people spoiling the Jaime/Cersei relationship and all but this is pretty damn major.

  31. Lord Ned's Head
    Posted December 29, 2010 at 11:49 am | Permalink

    I’m just hoping that one of the two possible big announcements is that Dance is finished!!!
    Maybe the second announcemet will be for season 2?

  32. dizzy_34
    Posted December 29, 2010 at 12:14 pm | Permalink

    Steel_Wind: AICN has an extensive “Coaxial” section per day, where they hype genre shows (and even a few popular non-genre shows) DAILY.In the past two months, they had ONE LINK to the Enetertainment Weekly pics. That’s it; that’s all.There has been more coverage of A Game of Thrones in Time Magazine and The Atlantic then there has been on Ain’t it Cool News. If that’s not a “WTF” moment for a supposed geek media culture website, then that says it all.Hell, they have covered the medical drama House and GLEE more than A Game of Thrones.These guys have no credibility. They have been bought and paid for. They hype whatever the Man With The Cheque asks them to hype; that much, no more.  Quote  Reply

    I don’t think they are paid to hype anything they just don’t know what this show really is yet. But just wait, when the show airs, they’ll be falling all over themselves like they discovered it. It’s just how it works. I’ve come to accept it. Even this place will be a lot different.

  33. ogbebaba
    Posted December 29, 2010 at 12:57 pm | Permalink

    a poll over at http://www.westeros.org/GoT/News/Entry/Swedish_2011_TV_Poll/

    I don’t speak the language but i can see the numbers and 80 votes 54% for Game of Thrones is a staggering lead when the next highest votes are 12 votes 8% for True Blood

  34. mummer
    Posted December 29, 2010 at 3:54 pm | Permalink

    Steel_Wind,

    I’m still not sure why it’s so important to you that AICN have credibility as being “real geeks”, but… their TV column is pretty much written by one guy, and 99% of it just describes either next week’s episode of an ongoing show or a DVD box set release. They did hype The Walking Dead before it aired– a lot, not just in the TV column, they were pretty much all writing about it– but that’s from a comic book, and it’s horror, two things they’re already clearly into. It probably also helped that they could do on-set reports and interviews without having to fly to Ireland or Malta, and that the show released a lot of zombie action photos early on.

    Or, sure, they could be taking payola. Who knows? Their commenters bring that up all the time. It’s hard for me to get worked up about it because their tastes only match mine about half the time anyway at best, so I’m not using them as a guide to everything that’s good.

  35. Tysnow
    Posted December 30, 2010 at 12:08 pm | Permalink

    They say this could be the UK’s coldest winter in a thousand years, to me this bodes well for the series and blog, as apparently mother nature must be a fan of the books so the motto Winter-is-Coming really is foreshadowing the epicness of the show.

  36. Burgos
    Posted December 30, 2010 at 12:34 pm | Permalink

    Lord Ned’s Head: I’m just hoping that one of the two possible big announcements is that Dance is finished!!!
    Maybe the second announcemet will be for season 2?    

    How great would it if both of those ideas are the official announcements! I could just see the added hype for the HBO series if Dance is release about the same time, I mean how could you avoid tossing in tons of promo’s for the book/series with all the content we should be getting before. Martin has taken his time with it (Dragons), maybe for a reason. We can only hope. (I personally wouldn’t be shocked if he’s been done with it for a month or two but holding it from us due to the series)

    I could see HBO giving the greenlight to season 2 even before season one starts. Keep in mind the DVD sales of season one will be high (and season two will only get better in terms of action/suspense).

    WTB a HD streaming HBO subscription!

  37. Johan Sporre
    Posted December 30, 2010 at 1:08 pm | Permalink

    ogbebaba,

    Keep in mind though that that book store/blog is specifically aimed at Fantasy and Science fiction (though they’ve branched far off into horror, vampires, manga etc in recent years) so it wouldn’t be surprising to see an adaption of an acclaimed and popular fantasy series as the top reader’s choice.

    I’m hoping the Swedish Canal+ sees that list so they prioritize GoT in their TV-schedule for next year :)

  38. MickeyD
    Posted January 3, 2011 at 11:16 am | Permalink

    Rausraus,

    Rausraus: I mean, I’m okay with people spoiling the Jaime/Cersei relationship and all but this is pretty damn major.

    I don’t know – the title – ‘Game of Thrones’ is a fair indicator that the show is about fighting over the throne itself, which would pretty much indicate that the king dies somehow, wouldn’t it? I don’t see mentioning that the king dies as being all that major. now – getting into relationships and motivations, THAT would be going too far, but this doesn’t seem to me to be so big…

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