The Artisans: Maisie on Arya
By Winter Is Coming on in Media.

In case you didn’t get enough Maisie with the two items in our previous post, Making Game of Thrones has a new Artisans video up that is all about our little warrior.

Winter Is Coming: The best Artisans video yet. Maisie looks and sounds so much how I imagine Arya, it’s scary really. And the training scenes with Miltos as Syrio are going to be awesome. I also love that they have started to promote the by-all-accounts amazing child actors. Hope we get more like these!


222 Comments

  1. GrandmaFunk
    Posted January 31, 2011 at 8:17 pm | Permalink

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A4BWRMfSPHM youtube link for those that require it

  2. HODORsaidHodor
    Posted January 31, 2011 at 8:19 pm | Permalink

    aMaising!

  3. Targaryen Fanboy
    Posted January 31, 2011 at 8:27 pm | Permalink

    um yeah… that’s awesome. i love her!

  4. Lex
    Posted January 31, 2011 at 8:30 pm | Permalink

    It’s Arya-week! So cool! I love Maisie and it’s great to see her getting some exposure/press! A billboard, an interview, and now an artisans video!

  5. Jordan Healey
    Posted January 31, 2011 at 8:31 pm | Permalink

    !!!!!!!!!!

  6. kells
    Posted January 31, 2011 at 8:40 pm | Permalink

    Maisie is so perfect and adorable! I hope we see more of the actors soon!

  7. VirulentShadow
    Posted January 31, 2011 at 8:41 pm | Permalink

    Ohmygodsthatissodarling!

    Arya rocks.

  8. Jose
    Posted January 31, 2011 at 8:42 pm | Permalink

    I trying to think of a scene where Arya would be wearing a helm like that, or was she just goofing around off camera?

  9. Wing
    Posted January 31, 2011 at 8:44 pm | Permalink

    I’m at work right now in an open office, so I can’t really watch it openly but I’ve already played it four times without sound. She’s sooooooooo cute! (Oh and the sword play looks amazing!)

  10. Sareeta
    Posted January 31, 2011 at 8:44 pm | Permalink

    She’s perfect! And very well-spoken.

    Argh, the cliffhanger in Arya’s last AFFC chapter makes me want the TV series to catch up w/ the books so bad! Blinding Arya was as shocking as Ned, Robb, and Catelyn’s deaths. I had trouble sleeping after reading that chapter.

  11. mimi
    Posted January 31, 2011 at 9:06 pm | Permalink

    What an adorable scene stealer! Poor grown-ups……;o)

    If the other kids are this good/cute, we’ll have a great show.

  12. Zack
    Posted January 31, 2011 at 9:10 pm | Permalink

    Waited for this for a while now, and it doesn’t disappoint. She’s going to be really good.

    I hope we get to see similar videos from Bran, Sansa, Jon and Robb.

  13. Steel_Wind
    Posted January 31, 2011 at 9:10 pm | Permalink

    She’s perfect.

    I never doubted that she would be. There is something in the stills and a few snippets of her (even sticking her tongue out at the camera way-back-when) which pretty much had me sold on her.

    Hearing her speak even as herself? She’ll nail the role, I’ve no doubt.

    I hope her Mom is especially proud of her charming daughter this week. :)

  14. TastesLikeTheSea
    Posted January 31, 2011 at 9:12 pm | Permalink

    She’s a better interviewee than all the other actors I’ve seen til now.

  15. Jose
    Posted January 31, 2011 at 9:16 pm | Permalink

    TastesLikeTheSea,

    Agree, she puts Dinklage and Bean to shame with her speaking skills.

    Maisie is far more lucid.

  16. MikeFromBraavos
    Posted January 31, 2011 at 9:18 pm | Permalink

    It was great to hear her talk about feeling powerful when she had Needle… she really is the perfect choice for Arya!

  17. David Scotton
    Posted January 31, 2011 at 9:21 pm | Permalink

    I was starting to get worried because they hadn’t shown us a single clip of her speaking, and barely even showed her in the trailers. But this is reassuring.

  18. Michelle
    Posted January 31, 2011 at 9:29 pm | Permalink

    Wow, I think she’s going to be perfect for the role of Arya. She looks like such a sweet girl that it makes me a little sad to think about all the awful things the character will endure.

  19. Bard of Awen
    Posted January 31, 2011 at 9:32 pm | Permalink

    You know, I think they should just forgo standard advertising for this series and just film many documentaries of Maisie being Maisie. That girl has a very bright future ahead of her, methinks.

    Also, with due respect to Valyrian Steel and George’s preferences, that is how I always envisioned Needle: something between a smallsword and a spada da lato. I’m definitely looking forward to seeing more of Arya’s dancing lessons.

  20. reedgirl
    Posted January 31, 2011 at 9:32 pm | Permalink

    I love her x 100! She’s way more… vulnerable?… than I had imagined, which is great. I sometimes forget that Arya is just a KID, and then we get Maisie – she has this adorable mouse of a voice, but with such determination, and brains and strength behind her words! I can see how outside characters will underestimate her at first, and then she will start to come into her own power over the course of the series.

    Maisie IS Arya. George, you called it.

    And the scenes, including Jon giving her Needle!!! And the swordwork from Miltos is breathtaking! (assuming that is Miltos, but could also be the stunt director).

    Jon/Arya breaks my heart. Can’t even imagine Ned/Arya, sniff.

  21. Knurk
    Posted January 31, 2011 at 9:36 pm | Permalink

    After Strong Belwas (the most underrated character in my opinion), Arya exceeds the rest. And that this little girl is turning this fan-favourite character to life is just amazing, I’m wondering if she knows that she is probably the most liked character even over Tyrion. It’s said before, but this 13 year old girl doing her needlework with her left hand is just astonishing, Tom Cruise can take a lesson from that…

  22. RahBur
    Posted January 31, 2011 at 9:39 pm | Permalink

    reedgirl: I sometimes forget that Arya is just a KID, and then we get Maisie –

    So true. Very easy to read her chapters and age her up in my mind, which can take away some of the visceral impact of her story arc. Seeing her on screen, I think, is going to be heart breaking. But … in a good way? :)

  23. Shannon
    Posted January 31, 2011 at 9:46 pm | Permalink

    It’s amazing how she can blow the entire fandom away with just one interview snippet. I love Arya and I cannot WAIT to see her play her. Maisie looks like the cutest little girl ever.

  24. JD
    Posted January 31, 2011 at 9:53 pm | Permalink

    #1 Maisie for president!

    Seriously, she’s going to be so phenomenal.

    #2 Um, is that a Lannister guardsman in a scene with Syrio? whimper Go out in style, beloved dancing master, in style.

  25. paulgude
    Posted January 31, 2011 at 10:00 pm | Permalink

    She’s as amazing as I hoped. So awesome to see her and Miltos together as well. He appears every bit the master, and she seems to be doing GREAT off-handed.

  26. dizzy_34
    Posted January 31, 2011 at 10:00 pm | Permalink

    These videos keep getting better and better. I second a Bran one. A direwolves one would be cool too.

  27. winterqueen
    Posted January 31, 2011 at 10:05 pm | Permalink

    What a darling girl! I can’t wait to see her in April. I really hope we get a S3 as I can’t wait to see Arya and the Hound travel around the Riverlands

  28. Abyss
    Posted January 31, 2011 at 10:15 pm | Permalink

    Given the fakt that I am the guy who is loading all the stuff up to youtube I think I should be able to answer this qustion my self, but I just didn´t.
    There is a Hi-Res version of the video, but when its up on youtube its just 480p just like the low-version. Is there a restriction for Hi-Res videos for free/normal users or what is going on?

  29. Zafri Mollon
    Posted January 31, 2011 at 10:22 pm | Permalink

    Wow. She’s going to be perfect as Arya. That she adapts how she acts just knowing she has needle is great and adapting to left-handed fighting shows her dedication to the project. Can’t wait to see Arya and the Hound in the Riverlands either. Then again, I’m just as excited to see her in Braavos.

  30. The Young Wolf
    Posted January 31, 2011 at 10:29 pm | Permalink

    My reaction to this video: YEAH!

    GRRM was right! Maisie is going to be the Perfect Arya. Interesting how she pronounced it Arr-ee-ah, instead of Ar-ya, like I always thought it was…I guess I was just pronouncing it wrong the whole time.

    The scenes with Miltos were very cool, some great swordfighting sequences, and it is great to see that she is indeed using her left hand! That displays a sense of professional integrity that is rarely seen among actors in general, most child actresses wouldn’t even have the thought pop up in their heads. I am very impressed, and really looking forward to her performance.

  31. obsidian
    Posted January 31, 2011 at 10:39 pm | Permalink

    Oh,( gulp, sniff) Arya.. Oh, Maisie !

    GRRM did not mislead us . Any Arya fan who sees this can’t help feeling the swellings of pseudo-parental pride..:)

    You go , Maisie.

  32. Becky Wilson
    Posted January 31, 2011 at 10:40 pm | Permalink

    How utterly incredible was that? I never had any doubts about this kid, but seeing this makes me -giddy- for one of my favorite characters. To watch her grow in this series, to know what she’s going to go through… Through the Riverlands with the Hound, The Mouse of Harrenhal, Running with the BwB, the Cat in the Canals… She is going to be utterly incredible.

  33. aaron
    Posted January 31, 2011 at 10:46 pm | Permalink

    every new clip i see released makes me find it harder and harder to wait the next 75 days for the show to start. there are some characters i really dislike (like i’m sure everyone has) and i’m curious to see if an actor or actress’ portrayal will change my opinion. seriously, am i the only person who can’t stand caitlyn in either of her lives?

  34. PointyEnd
    Posted January 31, 2011 at 10:48 pm | Permalink

    Obviously, she’s one of my favorite characters from the books. From seeing this, Arya may well become my favorite character from the series!

    I would have preferred to see Valyrian Steel’s Needle, than the little coal poker HBO gave her.

  35. Lex
    Posted January 31, 2011 at 10:49 pm | Permalink

    Ok, I actually got a tear in my eye watching the video. In my opinion, Maisie just seems to just embody her character, possibly more than anyone else in the cast so far. I can’t wait!

  36. JD
    Posted January 31, 2011 at 10:49 pm | Permalink

    aaron,

    No, Aaron, I am totally with you.

  37. Lex
    Posted January 31, 2011 at 10:55 pm | Permalink

    I can’t wait to hear Maisie whispering a certain list of names… “The Tickler and the Hound. Ser Gregor, Ser Amory, Ser Ilyn, Ser Meryn, King Joffrey, Queen Cersei, Dunsen, Poliiver, Raff the Sweetling…”

  38. Zack
    Posted January 31, 2011 at 11:16 pm | Permalink

    I can’t wait for season two! She’s going to serve up some mean Weasel Soup!

    Such a cute kid. I’ve probably watched this 10 times. I love her attitude about everything…how holding Needle empowers her, how she approaches training offhanded. What perfect casting.

  39. scribba
    Posted January 31, 2011 at 11:22 pm | Permalink

    The girl is gonna be a star.

  40. Nicole Shaddix
    Posted January 31, 2011 at 11:22 pm | Permalink

    Lex,

    Yes! So glad you posted this!

  41. Chris Pierce
    Posted January 31, 2011 at 11:24 pm | Permalink

    aaron,

    No Aaron, I’ve always hated Catelyn as well but I’m hopeful that the series will make certain characters much more sympathetic to me.

    Maisie is going to be amazing I can feel it!

  42. Lex
    Posted January 31, 2011 at 11:40 pm | Permalink

    I like how, during the Baelor’s Sept scene, Arya looks quite boyish. Needle at her side, and her hair tied back in a way that actually looks a little reminiscent of Ned’s hairstyle.

  43. top six
    Posted January 31, 2011 at 11:54 pm | Permalink

    Two feelings about this video. First, Maise seems almost impossibly perfect for this role. Wow. Very intelligent, the perfect look for this character, etc. etc.

    Second, the idea that “Arya is left handed” just seems like such a pointless detail to me, even though I know this has been discussed here before. Why is this? How many hours were wasted trying to teach this poor girl to fence left handed–hours (or money) that could have been spent just trying to tell an entertaining story? I am worried that this series will simply become about cramming details from the book in. I hope that in doing so they don’t lose the forest for the trees–i.e., forget that what made the books REALLY great. Yes, the detail is nice, but seems to me the essence of Arya is not that she is left handed.

    On the other hand, Syrio having hair suggests this won’t be a problem.

  44. Winter Is Coming
    Posted January 31, 2011 at 11:58 pm | Permalink

    Lex,

    I noticed that about her hair as well. I was going to say she stole Sean Bean’s wig.

    Seriously though, she looks great. And I loved hearing her speak for the first time. We’ve now heard all three kids’ speaking voices (Isaac in the third teaser, Sophie in her YouTube videos) and they all sound exactly like they should.

    Also, I’m happy to hear I’ve been pronouncing Arya correctly all this time! I had a friend named Aria that pronounced it exactly the same way, so to me it seems natural to pronounce it this way. I’ve had to adjust my pronunciation on Targaryen, Baratheon, Eddard, Catelyn and a bunch of others, so I’m glad to finally get one right for a change!

  45. ablaaa
    Posted February 1, 2011 at 12:10 am | Permalink

    top six,

    Hold your horses. It is mostly devotion that learning to use your other hand takes; time and money – not so much. It is pretty obvious that Maisie is not only acting, but also living her role. Why deny her the exhilaration of being Arya, when she is perfectly capable to portray her in every possible aspect?

  46. top six
    Posted February 1, 2011 at 12:13 am | Permalink

    ablaaa,

    You may be right. And now that I think about it, I only have limited stage combat and limited fencing experience (both in college, many years ago), but I actually seem to recall that (as a left hander) it was not that difficult to use a sword with my right hand, and I am possibly the least athletic person in the entire world.

  47. Lex
    Posted February 1, 2011 at 12:15 am | Permalink

    Winter Is Coming,

    Maybe it’s intentional that she looks like a miniature Ned. If so, it’s a nice touch!

  48. John
    Posted February 1, 2011 at 12:39 am | Permalink

    Can we have a WiC contest? There’s something the posters here are very good at, which they’ve demonstrated time and time again: picking the most obscure things to worry about and blowing them out of all proportion.

  49. Anne
    Posted February 1, 2011 at 12:41 am | Permalink

    GrandmaFunk,

    Thanks!!!

  50. Ben
    Posted February 1, 2011 at 12:42 am | Permalink

    As far as the interviewees go, she’s probably my second favorite, behind only the charming, energetic Emilia Clarke. Such an articulate young girl!

    In the books, you definitely know how intelligent Arya is because of her status as a POV character. But in the series, it’s going to be a lot harder to sell that intelligence and still keep that realistic, gritty feel. I think Maisie is just the talent the show needs to pull off what the character requires–left handed or not.

  51. furrever
    Posted February 1, 2011 at 1:11 am | Permalink

    Maisie is absolutely adorable. Her facial expressions as she examines Needle at 1:35 are just so expressive and darling. She’s going to steal many hearts. What an exquisitely perfect piece of casting she is.

  52. furrever
    Posted February 1, 2011 at 1:13 am | Permalink

    furrever: Her facial expressions as she examines Needle at 1:35 are just so expressive and darling.

    That was supposed to say 1:19.

  53. Lex
    Posted February 1, 2011 at 1:16 am | Permalink

    I just made a youtube playlist of ALL the Game of Thrones videos so far (8 artisans videos, the 2-minute production video, the 11-minute production video, and the 4 teasers). It made for approximately 32 minutes of pure goodness!

  54. paulgude
    Posted February 1, 2011 at 1:23 am | Permalink

    ablaaa,

    Right. Lest we forget, the story is that this is a detail that Maisie picked up on, and something she insisted on pursuing:

    http://www.makinggameofthrones.com/production-diary/2010/12/1/dispatches-from-the-seven-kingdoms-the-favored-hand.html

  55. Marilyn Bones
    Posted February 1, 2011 at 1:24 am | Permalink

    WOW!!! … I’m in love with this girl already …. I can’t wait to go through Arya’s trials and tribulations with Maisie at the helm … just hearing her speak gave me the willies!!!

  56. Shannon
    Posted February 1, 2011 at 1:26 am | Permalink

    Um, okay, someone offer me an opinion on this. ADWD @ amazon.co.uk

    it has a release date. Is this total BS?

  57. Lex
    Posted February 1, 2011 at 1:31 am | Permalink

    Shannon,

    Amazon has always had constantly-changing, bogus release dates for ADWD.

  58. Shannon
    Posted February 1, 2011 at 1:32 am | Permalink

    Lex,

    Thank you! That’s why I asked here.

  59. paulgude
    Posted February 1, 2011 at 1:33 am | Permalink

    Shannon,

    Back when I worked at Amazon.com there’d be fake release dates for books on occasion. Nothing sneaky or devious about it, just a necessity of the system at times. I expect Amazon.co.uk has similar issues.

    More interesting is that it’s not coming up in results for Amazon.com at all right now for me. It used to, I believe.

  60. Peltast
    Posted February 1, 2011 at 1:33 am | Permalink

    Nice interview! I am charmed. Maisie seems a lot more comfortable in an interview than most child actors.

  61. Lex
    Posted February 1, 2011 at 1:36 am | Permalink

    Shannon,

    The good news is that if GRRM finishes ADWD very soon, we could possibly have a release date that’s earlier than that fake Amazon one! :)

  62. Maester Tcost
    Posted February 1, 2011 at 1:58 am | Permalink

    That girl has EMMY written all over her.

  63. Hear Me Roar
    Posted February 1, 2011 at 2:30 am | Permalink

    Oh my … you little heart stealer :) This was great. And yes, she’s so articulate, perfect for interviews. What a nice surprise to start the day with!

  64. Tar Kidho
    Posted February 1, 2011 at 2:33 am | Permalink

    Wow! Just like anyone I had high hopes for Maisie from the beginning, and still she managed to blow my mind with this simple interview. It actually made me a bit emotional :-)

    But did I say simple? Not simple at all! She sounds so much older and wiser than her age should grant her. My first thoughts were “she sounds as Emilia Clarke should have sounded”. And as someone said before, she also replies better than Dinklage and Bean (the latter who should have learned by now to formulate sound replies, and lacks every bit of enthusiasm, which probably makes him a perfect Ned). Just like I’ve always imagined Arya! :-)

    I surely hope that Maisie doesn’t loose touch with reality like too many other child stars in the past. If you read this Maisie: when you meet Emma Watson (and you will, I’m sure), ask her for tips on the matter. I’ve always been impressed with how she managed that.

    Ok, now I go look at the video one more time…

  65. Herr Fick
    Posted February 1, 2011 at 2:41 am | Permalink

    Maisie is adorable!
    And judging from her interview, she’s obviously very well-spoken and intelligent. The way she talks about her work is impressive in my opinion; and her feelings when wielding the sword – “I always feel a lot more powerful because it’s a sword and it’s quite a manly thing to have” – I mean, that’s just sweet.
    I think that Mr Martin was right: She really is the perfect Arya.

  66. Johan Sporre
    Posted February 1, 2011 at 2:44 am | Permalink

    We needed this!

    Again I got some tears in my eyes. She’s just so perfect and I can’t wait to see some of the scenes we got a glimpse of here.

  67. MirriMaz
    Posted February 1, 2011 at 4:06 am | Permalink

    This is lovely indeed, now I want a Sansa trailer.

  68. Grimtuesday
    Posted February 1, 2011 at 4:26 am | Permalink

    I hope that they start doing more like this, I like how it is more about the character and the actors impression the the character.

  69. clemintine
    Posted February 1, 2011 at 4:55 am | Permalink

    David Scotton: I was starting to get worried because they hadn’t shown us a single clip of her speaking, and barely even showed her in the trailers.But this is reassuring.    

    I think the scarcity of kids in the trailers has more to do with marketing than anything. HBO doesn’t want to give people who’ve not read the books the impression that this is a children’s show, despite there being many child characters.

    I can’t wait to see Maisie speak in character! She’s going to be great!

    One thing I wondered is how they deal with child actors in mature material, such as this, or a British series Shameless that has many children in it, but there’s also lots of nudity, sex, drugs and cuss words etc. Are the child actors allowed to see the entire shows that they’ve been in, even if there is content inappropriate for them? Would Maisie and the other children have read the books? I guess these children do have to be mature for their age to star in such productions to begin with. Just musing.

  70. coltaine777
    Posted February 1, 2011 at 5:10 am | Permalink

    She looks and sounds perfect …can’t wait for the other kids too…

  71. Johan Sporre
    Posted February 1, 2011 at 5:35 am | Permalink

    clemintine,

    Whether or not the children are allowed to see seems mostly to be up to their parents. From what’s been said on Twitter by some of them (Myrcella and Rickon at least) they’ll only be allowed to see the parts they’re in.

  72. Caedes
    Posted February 1, 2011 at 5:48 am | Permalink

    clemintine,

    We know that Isaac and Maisie hadn’t read the books, but were being told the story by their parents, I suppose omitting the more mature material. And Sophie has read the Sansa chapters, at least.

    Is it me, or is Maisie noticeably taller in the billboard photo than we were used to?

    That’s one minor concern about the child actors: they are in an age prone to growth sprouts, son it can be tricky sometimes, specially between seasons (remember Waaaaaaaaalt from Lost?)

  73. Bobben
    Posted February 1, 2011 at 5:55 am | Permalink

    Maisie is what, like 13? Hardly an innocent little child. I think she can handle the more adult and brutal chapters of the books. Let her read it I say.

  74. Jackie MacPherson
    Posted February 1, 2011 at 6:11 am | Permalink

    Great stuff. Maisie came across brilliantly in the trailer as both Arya and herself. She’ll have no problem handling interviews re the show etc.

    Love seeing more Syrio and some fight sequences. I also spotted the Lannister guard and thought oh ho! :/

  75. isenriver
    Posted February 1, 2011 at 6:38 am | Permalink

    I’m interested in what accent Arya will have. Did I read somewhere that they where going for Yorkshire styled accents (Sean Bean) for the Starks and peoples of the north or is everyone going to be speaking variations of received pronunciation? Maisie seems to have a natural cockney accent.

  76. Martin
    Posted February 1, 2011 at 6:46 am | Permalink

    Great interview, and I agree with everything that has already been said on Maisie – nothing more to add really, Steelwind probably put it most eloquently.

    The prospect of S2 does scare me slightly, purely on the basis of the shear amount of horror that the plot throws at her, how are they going to deal with that ?

    One thing though an actors in general and their interviewee techniques, I don’t think it matters that much. Two of the most charismatic actors of the last 40 years (Connery + De Niro) are woeful in interviews and as bland and characterless as a lump of lard – but put them on screen though and they leap out.

    I think Bean is similar (obviously not in the same class as those above) but in some of the programmes he’s been in he’s been a real brooding presence (Red Riding for eg.).

  77. isenriver
    Posted February 1, 2011 at 7:04 am | Permalink

    I just went through a few of the trailers and it seems Jon, Ed and Old Nan are using Yorkshire accents, Catelyn doesn’t but she doesn’t have to, being from Riverrun and of the few words Bran spoke it sounds like he doesn’t but you can only ask so much of the Kids. In any case distinguishing the Kingdoms with various accents makes for a much richer experience.

  78. aaron
    Posted February 1, 2011 at 7:30 am | Permalink

    Chris Pierce: aaron,
    No Aaron, I’ve always hated Catelyn as well but I’m hopeful that the series will make certain characters much more sympathetic to me.

    that’s what i’m hoping. i’m going to (attempt anyway) to go into the series without my already heavy prejudice against characters and see what the actors do with it. what’s the worst thing that comes of that? i still dislike the people i dislike and i still like the people i like. no biggie.

  79. Czarnian
    Posted February 1, 2011 at 8:30 am | Permalink

    Martin,

    Very true. Watching an interview with De Niro is like watching paint dry and still he is the worlds most charismatic actor. Or used to be before he sold his soul to commercial crap.

  80. Katja
    Posted February 1, 2011 at 8:58 am | Permalink

    Oh wow she’s brilliant! So relaxed with the camera too. Can’t wait to see her in character!

  81. The Winter Rose
    Posted February 1, 2011 at 9:06 am | Permalink

    Awww, she’s so adorable and so poised for someone so young. I’m not a big Arya fan, but with this kid on screen I suspect she’s going to make me change my mind.
    Hope we get a Sansa trailer next.

  82. Tywin's Bastard
    Posted February 1, 2011 at 9:45 am | Permalink

    Winter Is Coming,

    I have the same view on the pronunciation of Arya. The ‘Arr-ya’ pronunciation seems to crude to fit with a noble lady in my opinion, which is what Arya is, despite the personality she developed as she grew up.

    But given that GRRM has said that he doesn’t care how people pronounce the names it could be interesting for HBO to go the Monty Python route. “It’s spelled Robert Baratheon but it’s pronounced Throatwobbler Mangrove”.

  83. Hollyoak
    Posted February 1, 2011 at 9:57 am | Permalink

    I love Maise as Arya. I’m re-reading Clash of Swords right now. Man, she is hardcore. A stone-cold killer and I love her for it.

    What a great young actor!

    With the pointy end, indeed!

  84. OneTooFree
    Posted February 1, 2011 at 10:10 am | Permalink

    i’m just happy to know that my favorite character from the books in going to be in good hands on the screen.

  85. Mormegil
    Posted February 1, 2011 at 10:24 am | Permalink

    OT

    Sean Bean will be on “Let The Stories Begin” (8pm GMT) tonight on Sky Atlantic to talk about GoT.

    Sky Atlantic also has a website up for GoT
    http://skyatlantic.sky.com/game-of-thrones

  86. OzXaro
    Posted February 1, 2011 at 10:43 am | Permalink

    Bobben,

    Agreed. I’m pretty sure I knew what incest, murder and rape were when I was 13.

    As for swearing, I probably heard enough bad language to write a season of deadwood in a single day of high school.

    Plus, it can be important ot the story. E.g. How does Arya justify killing Chiswyck if it isn’t because of the horrible rape story he tells?

  87. The Reader
    Posted February 1, 2011 at 10:51 am | Permalink

    I agree with everyone that she is perfect/adorable/talented. Am I the only one though that can’t help but feel a little sorry for the poor girl? Think of everything she’s going to have to go through as Arya! I’m really dreading seeing her and the scenes at the God’s Eye…

  88. dobesol
    Posted February 1, 2011 at 11:18 am | Permalink

    Man, this kid looks good. I can’t believe she’s 13 even, on set she looks younger. I don’t think she’s -too- cute. I think she’s bad ass! I mean, yes, she’s a nice young lady…but Arya needs to have some callous and insensitivity. She’s the wolf girl, like her aunt (?) Lyanna, and I think the barn scene, before she goes to Flea Bottom, is going to be her turning point in the show. For a first time viewer, that’s shocking!
    Arya has always been one of my favorites, and I have been chomping at the bit to see what happens to her next in the books. I am convinced, because of the little dwarf woman on High Heart, that she is going to to become one of the darkest characters. Even though, as a Stark, I’m still counting her among the “good guys”. But I wanna see…how bad can she get, and yet still be Arya. Although the way she goes through names…it may be too late. ;)

    I can’t wait for the season, good god!

  89. Ed
    Posted February 1, 2011 at 11:22 am | Permalink

    THAT’S gonna be awesome!!!

    Lex: I can’t wait to hear Maisie whispering a certain list of names… “The Tickler and the Hound. Ser Gregor, Ser Amory, Ser Ilyn, Ser Meryn, King Joffrey, Queen Cersei, Dunsen, Poliiver, Raff the Sweetling…”

  90. bingo_pajama
    Posted February 1, 2011 at 11:41 am | Permalink

    Maisie more than any other actor or actress in the show, just seemed to manifest right out of my imagination of Arya

  91. sjwenings
    Posted February 1, 2011 at 11:51 am | Permalink

    Lex: I can’t wait to hear Maisie whispering a certain list of names… “The Tickler and the Hound. Ser Gregor, Ser Amory, Ser Ilyn, Ser Meryn, King Joffrey, Queen Cersei, Dunsen, Poliiver, Raff the Sweetling…”  Quote  Reply

    Yeah! And i’m hoping that the first time she recites that list there will be a little, slightly eerie and forboding musical cue that promises death and doom.

  92. Ikertzeke
    Posted February 1, 2011 at 11:56 am | Permalink

    After this aMAISIEing moment I can not wait for a BRANtastic video!!!

  93. sawyer
    Posted February 1, 2011 at 12:13 pm | Permalink

    I also pronounced her name in three syllables as Maisie did, but I thought GRRM told once that he doesn’t care how you pronounce the names in general, except for Aryas’. He chose a short name for her that sounded somehow sharply like a sword-that’s why he pronounces her fast and in two syllables; Ar-ya.

    I can’t wait to see my favourite Arya scene, her and the Hound in the Inn.
    “Is there gold hidden in the village? Where is Lord Beric? How many men were with him? How many, how many, how many? Is there gold in the village?” Maisie is going to make that scene so totally scary!

  94. Porcupine Tree
    Posted February 1, 2011 at 12:24 pm | Permalink

    Mormegil: How does Arya justify killing Chiswyck if it isn’t because of the horrible rape story he tells? OzXaroQuote

    OMG, I’m sooooo glad we got Sky HD!

  95. Porcupine Tree
    Posted February 1, 2011 at 12:29 pm | Permalink

    Mormegil,

    seems to be quoting the wrong quotes, this was in reply to your OT Sky Atlantic trailer.

    On topic, this has reinforced my view of Maisie as Arya personified. If she was good enough for GRRM…

  96. Luke likely
    Posted February 1, 2011 at 1:05 pm | Permalink

    top six: Two feelings about this video.First, Maise seems almost impossibly perfect for this role.Wow.Very intelligent, the perfect look for this character, etc. etc.Second, the idea that “Arya is left handed” just seems like such a pointless detail to me, even though I know this has been discussed here before.Why is this?How many hours were wasted trying to teach this poor girl to fence left handed–hours (or money) that could have been spent just trying to tell an entertaining story?I am worried that this series will simply become about cramming details from the book in.I hope that in doing so they don’t lose the forest for the trees–i.e., forget that what made the books REALLY great.Yes, the detail is nice, but seems to me the essence of Arya is not that she is left handed.On the other hand, Syrio having hair suggests this won’t be a problem.    

    maybe they felt her being left handed was a metaphor or something, for her being unconventional. She clashes with what society expects of her, so her being left handed somehow represents that. I personally wouldn’t have even noticed if they made her right handed. I hope it wouldn’t get in the way or somehow make her look awkward, but I think it could be a nice quirk in her character, a nice detail

  97. Elaine
    Posted February 1, 2011 at 1:07 pm | Permalink

    oh, I LOVE Maisie!!!! She’s perfect…my favorite casting so far! You can tell in that interview what a beautiful face she has and how beautiful she’s going to be, but somehow as Arya she doesn’t seem as pretty. She looks tomboyish, messy, and unfeminine, which totally fits with her character and has to be attributed to Maisie’s acting.

    I’m betting that “Arya Horseface” grows up to be a great beauty, but she can’t be a pretty little girl, and somehow Maisie’s acting is deprettifying herself. She’s brilliant.

  98. Luke likely
    Posted February 1, 2011 at 1:15 pm | Permalink

    Winter Is Coming,

    I usually always get the pronunciations of character names wrong. Its kind of embarrassing how I’ve been pronouncing Tirion’s name. but for some reason I got arya’s name right. So that’s at least one name that won’t seem strange to me

  99. Luke likely
    Posted February 1, 2011 at 1:25 pm | Permalink

    Shannon: Um, okay, someone offer me an opinion on this.ADWD @ amazon.co.ukit has a release date. Is this total BS?    

    it probably is. they don’t know when it will come out. maybe they could make an educated guess at this point but they usually always have ridiculous dates on those sites

  100. Yeekim
    Posted February 1, 2011 at 1:33 pm | Permalink

    She is truly great.
    Even though I can’t see anyone calling her Arya Horseface :D

  101. The Rabbit
    Posted February 1, 2011 at 1:34 pm | Permalink

    I can not say anything that has not been said here.
    Maisie is just great :)

  102. Czarnian
    Posted February 1, 2011 at 1:45 pm | Permalink

    Can you even believe how happy she will be after reading this thread? I really hope she does. The support is amazing.
    Brings a big smile to my face.
    Perhaps she has been told to keep away from forums such as this in risk of hearing negative stuff. No risk here. If you who reads this are in contact with her just tell her to read through this thread and she will have the high of a lifetime and the confidence to go through all coming seasons.

  103. Morlun
    Posted February 1, 2011 at 1:52 pm | Permalink

    top six: Second, the idea that “Arya is left handed” just seems like such a pointless detail to me, even though I know this has been discussed here before. Why is this? How many hours were wasted trying to teach this poor girl to fence left handed–hours (or money) that could have been spent just trying to tell an entertaining story? I am worried that this series will simply become about cramming details from the book in. I hope that in doing so they don’t lose the forest for the trees–i.e., forget that what made the books REALLY great. Yes, the detail is nice, but seems to me the essence of Arya is not that she is left handed.

    Recommended reading:

    http://www.makinggameofthrones.com/production-diary/2010/12/1/dispatches-from-the-seven-kingdoms-the-favored-hand.html

    DAN: Wait, are you left-handed or right-handed?

    MAISIE: Well, I’m right-handed. But Arya’s left-handed.

    My eyes widen. Indeed, Arya is described as left-handed in George’s books. I just assumed we had lucked out and found an actor who happened to be left-handed. But, no! Upon further investigation, I discover Maisie expressed early on that she wanted to learn her sword fights left-handed to honor the description in the original novels. She’s already shot a sequence involving some complex choreography that would challenge any actor, not to mention one not using her favored hand. What a kid!

  104. Luke likely
    Posted February 1, 2011 at 1:53 pm | Permalink

    clemintine
    One thing I wondered is how they deal with child actors in mature material, such as this, or a British series Shameless that has many children in it, but there’s also lots of nudity, sex, drugs and cuss words etc. Are the child actors allowed to see the entire shows that they’ve been in, even if there is content inappropriate for them? Would Maisie and the other children have read the books? I guess these children do have to be mature for their age to star in such productions to begin with. Just musing.    

    I was thinking about this too. at one point it would be kind of weird if she never sees the show, but at the same time should she be watching a show like this. and how much access has she had to this character, is she limited to the scripts. Not that I think she couldn’t do a great job never having read even the first book but it does seem like it would be a handicap. Everything that I’ve seen of her though has impressed me. I don’t think I’ve ever thought a character, going from book to screen, as being this perfect. she’s seems exactly how I pictured her, which is a relief. I mean if there was one potential downfall it was the children characters. The child actors really have to sell their part. some of the best characters in the books are children

  105. Alexander Dubrovsky
    Posted February 1, 2011 at 2:05 pm | Permalink

    Luke likely:
    it probably is. they don’t know when it will come out. maybe they could make an educated guess at this point but they usually always have ridiculous dates on those sites    

    Yeah, it used to be 2035 at some point:
    http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v88/shurik/ADWD.jpg

  106. Victoria Cole
    Posted February 1, 2011 at 2:14 pm | Permalink

    Wow ! What a mature (and confident!) little girl. I can see why she was snatched up for the role.

  107. Franny Bee
    Posted February 1, 2011 at 3:18 pm | Permalink

    Awesome. Now I’d like a “The Artisans: Male Nekkedness” featurette in MGoT. Thank you.

    Victoria Cole: a mature (and confident!) little girl.

    Yes. I see ‘artist’ in her, and it’s very inspiring. I’m already at the Emmies in my head, and she’s up for best actress in a supporting role!

    Now I’d like a “The Artisans: Male Nekkedness” featurette in MGoT.

  108. Tar Kidho
    Posted February 1, 2011 at 3:26 pm | Permalink

    Alexander Dubrovsky:
    Yeah, it used to be 2035 at some point:
    http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v88/shurik/ADWD.jpg    

    :-))) Well, if in the end George really doesn’t achieve de-knotting the knot that ties the monkey on his back, he can always ask Bran Sanderson to step in and get things moving again! (Just kidding, and the recent news has been very promising anyway)

  109. tek
    Posted February 1, 2011 at 3:34 pm | Permalink

    Luke likely:
    I was thinking about this too. at one point it would be kind of weird if she never sees the show, but at the same time should she be watching a show like this. and how much access has she had to this character, is she limited to the scripts. Not that I think she couldn’t do a great job never having read even the first book but it does seem like it would be a handicap. Everything that I’ve seen of her though has impressed me. I don’t think I’ve ever thought a character, going from book to screen, as being this perfect. she’s seems exactly how I pictured her, which is a relief. I mean if there was one potential downfall it was the children characters. The child actors really have to sell their part. some of the best characters in the books are children    

    Dont quote me on it, but I believe I remember reading somewhere that some of the children’s parents were reading them the novels, or at least censoring them in some way so that they could get as much of the novels as possible. Again, not exactly sure where I read that. Maybe someone else will remember.

  110. loco73
    Posted February 1, 2011 at 3:34 pm | Permalink

    She is great indeed…what more is there to say! By the way, below is a link to the newest trailer for Sean Bean’s new movie “Black Death”, set up in Europe during the Dark Ages and the advent of the plague…looks interesting and…well, well it reminds me of a certain series that is about to premiere on April 17 on HBO! Anyways it looks interesting, and it confirms in my mind once more that Sean Bean is made for this genre…I mean that as a compliment of course!

    http://www.imdb.com/video/imdb/vi1578998297/

    If the link does not work, copy-and-paste or just go to imdb.com

  111. Blatz
    Posted February 1, 2011 at 3:38 pm | Permalink

    Sareeta: She’s perfect!And very well-spoken.Argh, the cliffhanger in Arya’s last AFFC chapter makes me want the TV series to catch up w/ the books so bad! Blinding Arya was as shocking as Ned, Robb, and Catelyn’s deaths.I had trouble sleeping after reading that chapter.    

    I forgot about that!! Hopefully it won’t last.

  112. Simon mckay
    Posted February 1, 2011 at 3:45 pm | Permalink

    as long as needle doesn’t get lost in a hay stack.

  113. the goat
    Posted February 1, 2011 at 3:47 pm | Permalink

    Just so.

    I “yield” to your brilliance, Miss Maisie!

  114. Anvil
    Posted February 1, 2011 at 3:52 pm | Permalink

    loco73,

    It’s a shame, that’s one of the most spoilerish trailers out there. Apart from that, Black Death is worth watching. Suprisingly good movie, which plays very well with your expectations.

    Btw., Maisie rocks!

  115. Tar Kidho
    Posted February 1, 2011 at 3:53 pm | Permalink

    loco73: By the way, below is a link tothe newest trailer for Sean Bean’s new movie “Black Death”,set up in Europe during the Dark Ages and the advent of the plague…looks interesting and…well, well it reminds me of a certain series that is about to premiere on April 17 on HBO!Anyways it looks interesting,and it confirms in my mind once more that Sean Bean is made for this genre…I mean that as a compliment of course!http://www.imdb.com/video/imdb/vi1578998297/
    If the link does not work, copy-and-paste or just go to imdb.com    

    He also seems to get himself in very lethal situations whenever taking on a roll like that :)

  116. Ed
    Posted February 1, 2011 at 4:02 pm | Permalink

    I can’t wait to see her trudging up the Kingsroad, with Lommy Greenhands, Gendry and Hotpie… (I know, I know – S2 is not yet confirmed)

  117. Knurk
    Posted February 1, 2011 at 4:04 pm | Permalink

    loco73,

    It’s been on dvd/blu-ray in Europe for a while now. Have to watch it one of these days, but I thought the reviews here were not that great (although the tomatometer says otherwise).

  118. Alexander Dubrovsky
    Posted February 1, 2011 at 4:15 pm | Permalink

    Another recommendation for Black Death, it’s an amazing movie, one of the best I’ve in last few years. Apart from Sean Bean, who is great as usual, it has Eddie Redmayne (young British actor who IMO has a very bright future in front of him), Percy from Blackadder and the guy who will play Marillion in GOT.

  119. purplejilly
    Posted February 1, 2011 at 4:23 pm | Permalink

    She’s aMAISing!! What an adorable, intelligent, charsimatic little girl – I can’t believe that someone of her age is throwing herself into the role to such a degree that she is carrying out the left-handedness! Especially in sword-fighting!
    And the scenes with her and Miltos! Awesome!!!

    To be honest, I never liked Arya much in the books, because I feel she is written completely as a young male character, and what she thinks, does and says is not realistic for a young female character, even someone who is a tomboy. There’s never one tiny shred of female thinking in her head at all, and no female actions or reactions at all. And even if you are a tomboyish girl, or a straight-out butch lesbian, there are female things you think about, feel, or do. None of that is ever shown in Arya at all. So i feel like it’s a cop-out to have Arya as a ‘girl’, when, in my opinion, she is not well-written girl character. I don’t blame GRRM though, because he’s a male, and he’s never been a young girl, so he doesn’t know how it feels. If I tried to write a effeminate young male character, I probably wouldn’t do that well either, because I haven’t been in those shoes.

    However, with such a great little actress in Maisie, I feel she is going to be able to bring the authentic ‘feminine’ part of Arya to life that needs to be there, to make her a realistic girl character on screen.

    So now that’s two characters I didn’t care for much in the books, Viserys and Arya, that now from just the previews I think I am going to like better in the show!

  120. purplejilly
    Posted February 1, 2011 at 4:27 pm | Permalink

    Martin,

    Also Johhny Depp gives AMAZINGLY awful interviews. I watched himon inside the actors studio once, and it was nails on chalkboard painful! He’s terrible at interviews. yet stick him on a pirate ship, and watch the fun begin!!

  121. purplejilly
    Posted February 1, 2011 at 4:39 pm | Permalink

    top six: P>On the other hand, Syrio having hair suggests this won’t be a problem.  Quote  Reply

    I just have to say I love miltos’ hair and it would be a crime against beauty to ever cut it or cover it up in any way!

  122. Adam Whitehead
    Posted February 1, 2011 at 4:41 pm | Permalink

    Shannon,

    GRRM is steering ADWD into port right now, but it’s not quite there yet. More news in the next few weeks, hopefully.

    paulgude,

    The American ADWD was accidentally opened up for reviews a while ago, with the net result there were a couple of dozen reviews put up by people whining about the wait. Amazon received an official complaint for allowing reviews of an unreleased book and appears to have reacted by liquidating the entire page. Apparently they did that because Bantam have also changed the cover art for ADWD (and the whole US version of the series) so they needed to revamp the page anyway.

  123. paulgude
    Posted February 1, 2011 at 4:42 pm | Permalink

    Adam Whitehead,

    Thanks, Adam!

  124. Josh Parker
    Posted February 1, 2011 at 4:52 pm | Permalink

    She is such a little cutie. I just love her to death. I believe I said that she would steal viewers’ hearts just after the photos of her were released.

    I’d like to see videos like this for all the major cast members. I know that’s a tall order but I’d really like to hear from the ones we haven’t heard that much from yet, like Sophie Turner, Richard Madden, Rory McCann, Isaac Hempstead-Wright, Jack Gleeson and Conleth Hill.

  125. Catherine Henry-Greskovic
    Posted February 1, 2011 at 5:01 pm | Permalink

    Good lord she is perfect!

    My husband refuses to read the books probably due to my insistence but he’s willing to watch the show. I mentioned that Arya was my favorite character and he warned me that I may be disappointed by the actress who plays her. Just on these clips alone, I have no doubt in my mind she will amaze me and my non-reading-doubting-thomas of a husband. :)

  126. Tywin's Bastard
    Posted February 1, 2011 at 5:08 pm | Permalink

    Adam Whitehead,

    Are they going to change the covers of the series? That’s an incredibly dumb thing if true as there are tons of people that will then have inconsistent covers on their book, unless they buy new ones.

  127. Knurk
    Posted February 1, 2011 at 5:38 pm | Permalink

    Tywin’s Bastard: unless they buy new ones

    the old publisher’s trick to rip off devoted fans, never heard of it?

  128. Tywin's Bastard
    Posted February 1, 2011 at 6:06 pm | Permalink

    Knurk,

    Of course, but it never stops annoying me for some reason.

  129. hija
    Posted February 1, 2011 at 6:11 pm | Permalink

    Nice! My only problem with the actress was that she looked too cute to be Arya, who is supposed to be plain.
    But the make-up professionals have managed to turn pretty real life Maisie into a plain looking but extremely engaging Arya on screen.

  130. purplejilly
    Posted February 1, 2011 at 6:16 pm | Permalink

    purplejilly,

    why is my comment moderated? I didn’t mention the tea party.. (LOL) help?

  131. Czarnian
    Posted February 1, 2011 at 6:45 pm | Permalink

    purplejilly: purplejilly, why is my comment moderated? I didn’t mention the tea party.. (LOL) help?  Quote  Reply

    Been much of that lately as if some settings are reset. Ive asked which words are to be m inded without reply.

  132. Linayus
    Posted February 1, 2011 at 6:49 pm | Permalink

    Yes. Yes. YES! I’m firmly convinced she is the perfect Arya now (though I was fairly sure before)! I cannot wait to see more of her scenes. Maisie is adorable!

  133. Lex
    Posted February 1, 2011 at 6:55 pm | Permalink

    Czarnian,

    Unnecessary.

  134. olive_drab
    Posted February 1, 2011 at 7:01 pm | Permalink

    Despite the huge amount of fandom love for Arya, I’ve never found her very interesting or felt much affection for her character.

    However, thanks to Maisie’s performance, I think I’m going to love her by the end of show.

  135. Lex
    Posted February 1, 2011 at 7:03 pm | Permalink

    olive_drab,

    I find it really suprising that some people don’t love Arya the way I do!

    I think it all started when she whacked Joffrey in the head, then threw his sword into the river. How could anyone not love her for that lone? :)

  136. purplejilly
    Posted February 1, 2011 at 7:14 pm | Permalink

    Czarnian,

    I’ve reviewed my post and the only one I can think of now is the “L” word?

  137. olive_drab
    Posted February 1, 2011 at 7:30 pm | Permalink

    Lex,

    Danearys is my absolute favorite, so I can understand!

    I grew up during the whole “tomboy heroines” era, and am still kind of fed up with that archetype, which kind of ruins of Arya for me. And then I just never felt engaged by either Arya or her chapters. I find that if I am not strongly attached to the character, most of my liking for them depends on what happens around them. (For instance I prefer Sansa to Arya simply because, at this point, I find her chapters more interesting.) I found Arya’s chapters towards the end of A Clash of Kings absolutely rivetting though, so my views on her may change as I get farther into the series.

  138. Ser Hedgeknight
    Posted February 1, 2011 at 7:46 pm | Permalink

    Czarnian:     

    I agree with Lex, definitely not necessary.

    We need to keep in mind that many more people read these pages then just those who post. It has been proven in the past that the show’s creators frequent these discussions. It’s rude juvenile posts like this that tear down any credibility this site has earned. Swearing has played it’s part in George’s books, in context. Swearing for the sake of it is just base and offensive.

    Perhaps “Czarnian” should be a word added to the moderated list…

    May I suggest we try to keep comments above a fourth grade level?

  139. Lex
    Posted February 1, 2011 at 8:02 pm | Permalink

    Ser Hedgeknight,

    It’s also a thread about Maisie (maybe she’ll even read it). Don’t get me wrong, I love swearing… but swear words just seem wrong here.

  140. Lex
    Posted February 1, 2011 at 8:05 pm | Permalink

    Caedes: Is it me, or is Maisie noticeably taller in the billboard photo than we were used to?

    It’s just you. There’s no one standing beside her in the billboard, so there’s no way whatsoeverl to tell how tall she is.

  141. Lex
    Posted February 1, 2011 at 8:11 pm | Permalink

    Oops, I meant there’s no one standing beside her in the photograph. Of course Sean Bean is beside her in the billboard.

  142. Winter Is Coming
    Posted February 1, 2011 at 9:33 pm | Permalink

    Relax everyone. Czarnian was just trying to test the filter, I’m sure he didn’t mean to offend. Still, I removed it because it wasn’t germane to the conversation.

    Anyway, for future reference, the words that the filter catches are mostly spam-related words like stuff to do with online gambling and porn sites. Hence the word that also means rooster getting caught. Regular swear words make it through.

  143. purplejilly
    Posted February 1, 2011 at 9:37 pm | Permalink

    Catherine Henry-Greskovic: Good lord she is perfect! My husband refuses to read the books probably due to my insistence but he’s willing to watch the show. I mentioned that Arya was my favorite character and he warned me that I may be disappointed by the actress who plays her. Just on these clips alone, I have no doubt in my mind she will amaze me and my non-reading-doubting-thomas of a husband.   Quote  Reply

    We’re the opposites, my husband was the big fan, and kept banging the gong for me to read the books, look at the WIC website, etc. But for a long time I refused. When I realized it was going to be a show on HBO and we’d probably watch it together, I decided to read the books so we could have the conversations as it all goes along about how it’s done in the books vs the show. Now I am more excited for the show than him, I think! I’m WIC blog obssessed. I have problems with the books, lots of them, especially with the really disgusting and disturbing things that happen in many of them, and the portrayal of the female characters and women in general in westeros. to be honest, if it wasnt going to be a series I would have stopped after book two. But tell your hubby to read them so he can have those extra discussions with you too. I think the books seem to be very satisfying for most men. Westeros really is a place built for men, and in favor of men. My husband really loves it.

  144. purplejilly
    Posted February 1, 2011 at 9:52 pm | Permalink

    I have a question on Arya and her ‘dancing’ lessons – I always assumed, when reading the book, that Sansa and the Septas and everyone else thinks that Arya’s “Dancing” master is just that – someone her dad hired to give her actual dancing lessons, to try and improve her ‘lady-like’ skills. The Waltz, the Wolf-Trot, whatever ballroom dancing they do in Westeros. Because I got the impression Ned was trying to keep the fact that he’d hired an actual swordfighting master on the down low, as that would not be politically correct at the Court, ya know? So when Sansa snarks at Arya to run off to her ‘dancing lesson’ she thinks it’s ballroom, and not bar room? Or was I misinterpreting that, and everyone knows that Arya has a sword and is learning to swordfight with it?

  145. Luke likely
    Posted February 1, 2011 at 10:20 pm | Permalink

    olive_drab: Lex,
    Danearys is my absolute favorite, so I can understand!I grew up during the whole “tomboy heroines” era, and am still kind of fed up with that archetype, which kind of ruins of Arya for me. And then I just never felt engaged by either Arya or her chapters. I find that if I am not strongly attached to the character, most of my liking for them depends on what happens around them. (For instance I prefer Sansa to Arya simply because, at this point, I find her chapters more interesting.)I found Arya’s chapters towards the end of A Clash of Kings absolutely rivetting though, so my views on her may change as I get farther into the series.    

    I felt one thing that made Arya’s chapters important was that you got to really see how the war affected the innocent and normal people of Westeros. To see a little girl desperately trying to find her way home in a war torn kingdom made for very powerful storytelling I thought

  146. Luke likely
    Posted February 1, 2011 at 10:35 pm | Permalink

    Alexander Dubrovsky:
    Yeah, it used to be 2035 at some point:
    http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v88/shurik/ADWD.jpg    

    I think it was amazon that still said AdWD was coming out in 2008 even though it was 2010 that I was looking at the site. To say the least I was confused I was like, cool it came out 2 years ago. I can’t wait to read it and finally find out what happens to Jon and Bran and everyone. So then I go to a bookstore and can’t find it. I think to myself well it must be sold out. Then finally after many questions and research I am finally introduced to the Knot. At least I didn’t have to wait 5 years like some have coming to the series more recently

  147. Zack
    Posted February 1, 2011 at 10:39 pm | Permalink

    purplejilly,

    Not likely. Everybody knows Arya — Arya Underfoot, they say — and what she’s about. Further. if Sansa didn’t know, she seems the type to want to learn dances and say “I should be there, instead of you!” not scoff. I also don’t think it’s shameful per se in Westeros for girls to be tomboys. Dacey Mormont seems to be regarded well. Brienne is an odd duck but that’s likely as much because she’s a huge, ugly, socially awkward person than a knight.

  148. Lex
    Posted February 1, 2011 at 10:41 pm | Permalink

    purplejilly,

    That’s how I remember it too. Hopefully they’re keeping it that way for the show, although the nice well-lit Syrio scenes look pretty conspicuous.

  149. mummer
    Posted February 1, 2011 at 10:41 pm | Permalink

    purplejilly,
    That’s right.

  150. Luke likely
    Posted February 1, 2011 at 10:48 pm | Permalink

    tek:
    Dont quote me on it, but I believe I remember reading somewhere that some of the children’s parents were reading them the novels, or at least censoring them in some way so that they could get as much of the novels as possible. Again, not exactly sure where I read that. Maybe someone else will remember.    

    Yes that would be a good way to handle it. The parent would know what to censor and what’s appropriate for a 13 year old. So I would hope that’s what they were doing

  151. obsidian
    Posted February 1, 2011 at 10:50 pm | Permalink

    purplejilly,

    That’s the way I read it , too. ( I think , in her interview ,Maisie was just delightfully bubbling on, as young girls do. ) I think specifically Sansa and Septa Mordane were not to know…and by extension , Cersei , of course.

  152. Lex
    Posted February 1, 2011 at 10:56 pm | Permalink

    Yes, Maisie’s mom (Sophie’s too?) were reading them censored selections from the book, mostly dealing with their own characters (and this was 18 months ago when they were even younger). IMO, that’s just good parenting. I’m sure both Maisie and Sophie and Isaac will both read and watch the entire series (probably when they’re around 14 to 16). Until then, why rush? There is some stuff in the books that still disturbs me as an adult. Kids are more desensitized these days in general, but it would still be too much for some 12 or 13 year old kids.

    It’s almost better this way. Think how excited they’ll be when they finally read/watch the entire series! There will be all kinds of new stuff they didn’t know about or suspect when they were acting in the show.

  153. Zack
    Posted February 1, 2011 at 11:11 pm | Permalink

    Lex: It’s almost better this way. Think how excited they’ll be when they finally read/watch the entire series! There will be all kinds of new stuff they didn’t know about or suspect when they were acting in the show.

    True enough, but…what can the parents really censor from the kids except the sex? Both Arya and Sansa are put through hell, so to speak…I can’t think of many things more disturbing for Maisie to need to deal with than The Tickler and Gregor…there aren’t many Arya scenes, and fewer as the story progresses, that I’d be comfortable letting a child read…but Maisie’s going to be right there in the middle of it, “acting” or no. Sansa sees a lot of death too.

    It was much simpler when Martin could think of his characters in the abstract, on the page. Requiring real kids to act in these scenes without spoiling their innocence is a tricky moral tightrope, and I’m glad I’m not the one that had to walk it.

  154. userj
    Posted February 1, 2011 at 11:12 pm | Permalink

    Lex: olive_drab,
    I find it really suprising that some people don’t love Arya the way I do!I think it all started when she whacked Joffrey in the head, then threw his sword into the river. How could anyone not love her for that lone?     

    Minor agot spoilers:
    Well, Arya assaulted royalty and the consequence was that her direwolf was exiled, Sansa’s was killed, and Mycah is dead. So yeah while satisfying in the moment it was an incredibly rash thing to do. And yet she shows no remorse or self reflection whatsoever. And in hindsight it’s stuff like this that makes me dislike Arya a bit, even if I understand it… Plus she’s entirely too much of a tomboy trope character (and not much like a real tomboy).

    (And don’t go saying that it was all Sansa’s fault for lying later – do you really think that if Sansa had told the truth then Lady would be alive? Cersei would have gotten a wolf’s and Mycah’s blood no matter what after her little darling was hurt.)

  155. Fat Sword of Doom
    Posted February 2, 2011 at 12:11 am | Permalink

    Lex: It’s almost better this way. Think how excited they’ll be when they finally read/watch the entire series! There will be all kinds of new stuff they didn’t know about or suspect when they were acting in the show.  
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    Aye, think of how exciting it will be for them to discover the tv violence and debauche they had been missing when they become of proper age.

  156. Abendstern
    Posted February 2, 2011 at 2:30 am | Permalink

    Arya is one of my favorite characters because she does not do what everyone thinks is appropriate, like needlework. And she is very brave in the awful situations she comes, she does not sit in a corner crying and self-pitiing or waiting for a knight to save her. For the same reason I did not like Sansa in the beginning. I am a woman too and I think there are a lot of woman in real live like Arya (not excactly the killing people part).

  157. clemintine
    Posted February 2, 2011 at 4:59 am | Permalink

    purplejilly: There’s never one tiny shred of female thinking in her head at all, and no female actions or reactions at all.And even if you are a tomboyish girl, or a straight-out butch lesbian, there are female things you think about, feel, or do.    

    There isn’t some mystical universal female-thinking and universal male-thinking. (Though the earlier would be news to Robert Jordan :p) As far as I remember, Arya is still pre-puberty by Feast, so she still doesn’t have anything physical to differentiate herself from boys anyways, aside from how she pees. Maybe later in the books she will go through this and maybe we’ll get a first period scene of something kindof like in Tamora Pierce’s book about a girl who disguises herself as a boy to become a knight, and being raised amoungst men she freaks out one day when she wakes up all bloody for no reason.

    Anyways, as a woman, I quite like GRRM’s handelling of women, because they are all different. He shows strong women, weak women, and everything in between just as with his male characters. The earlier books are more male heavy, but towards Feast it is tipping to becoming more female-heavy. Westros is a monstrously sexist world, but unlike many other male authors, GRRM doesn’t use that as an excuse to not give the women interesting stories too.

  158. MirriMaz
    Posted February 2, 2011 at 5:10 am | Permalink

    Not the right place to post this but Margaret Jones who plays Old Nan passed away :(

  159. Caedes
    Posted February 2, 2011 at 6:07 am | Permalink

    MirriMaz,

    It is indeed not a wrong place to to post this. In fact, I think it deserves a new thread altogether. Sad news.
    My sympathies to all her family and loved ones.

  160. Tinuviel
    Posted February 2, 2011 at 6:12 am | Permalink

    Came to post about Margaret John passing away, but I can see I’ve already been beaten. At this late stage, I wonder what impact it has upon the casting. Will they recast her for any necessary parts later on? I imagine they won’t touch the scenes she did as a sort of tribute?

    Very sad news to hear anyway.

  161. Son of Snow
    Posted February 2, 2011 at 6:29 am | Permalink
  162. hija
    Posted February 2, 2011 at 6:57 am | Permalink

    Lex,

    I don’t love Arya (although I love maisie). Actually, if her character had been written by a teenage girls instead of a 60 yearl old man, she would fit the description of an irritating Mary-Sue nearly to perfection (nearly, because she is not beautiful).

    She is the most one dimensioal character in the whole series, and the tomboy brave girl in a male world has been done so many times…

  163. Oracle
    Posted February 2, 2011 at 7:14 am | Permalink

    hija

    This is a weak argument. It’s impossible in any type of fiction literature to have a completely unique character. Any popular female character is going to have mary sue characteristics, what matters is if the girl has enough differences to make it not a carbon copy. The fact that Arya is very young, not super pretty, and has seen a ridiculous degree of depravity and hardship makes her quite different than the typical mary sue.

  164. hija
    Posted February 2, 2011 at 10:33 am | Permalink

    Oracle,

    How is it weak? Of course characters are never unique! But Arya is a total stereotype.
    And she is Mary -Sue to the core.
    A good share of depravity/hardship/trauma is a essential charasteristic of every self respecting Sue. She is a tomboy who hates needle work, she is brave, she dresses like a boy, she likes swordfighting, she’s honest… even her personalit flaws are extremely Mary Suish (she is stubborn, quick tempered but her heart is in the right place).
    Her only non-Sue trait is that she’s not beautiful, but we know she looks like Lyanna, and Lyanna was pretty, so it could simply be a case of ugly-duckliness and turn out to be pretty when becomening a young woman.
    Arya is an improbable character, predictable and clearly designed to make her endearing to modern (specially female) audiences.
    ASOIAF is full of richly drawn complex characters, but IMO both Arya and Jon are a miss.

  165. OhDanyBoy
    Posted February 2, 2011 at 10:40 am | Permalink

    hija,

    You don’t find her downward spiral into psychopathy to be somewhat unorthodox?

  166. Freely Seek
    Posted February 2, 2011 at 11:29 am | Permalink

    userj,

    Perhaps you would have liked it more if Arya had let him kill Mycah there? Someone was trying to murder her friend, royalty or not. I would have done the same thing, and feeling remorse for trying to save your friend? I thought she was more busy feeling terrible because he died. And then she did what is reasonable and blamed the Hound and Joffrey for it instead of herself.

    Not the most politically savvy thing to do, but she’s a kid.

    It was certainly more Sansa’s fault than Arya’s; it wasn’t about Cersei, it was about trying to convince Robert to not let it happen. An extra witness might have done that.

    And if we’re going to blame anyone, let’s blame Joffery. I mean come on.

  167. Nymeria
    Posted February 2, 2011 at 11:50 am | Permalink

    This video just made my day!

    It’s Arya!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    Maisie is so cute! And I love the sound of her voice and her accent. So delicate. Somehow it makes Arya more real, reminding us that she’s so young, which is so easy to forget in the books…

    Favorite interview so far.

    Thank you, thank you Maisie!!!!

    I love this character-focused Artisan videos. We need more like this to introduce all the main characters to the non-reader viewers, as long as they keep them spoiler-free.

    Also, I’m still waiting for a trailer showing images while we hear the members of the Night’s Watch recite their vows…

  168. Abendstern
    Posted February 2, 2011 at 12:23 pm | Permalink

    hija: Mary -Sue

    Just read wikipedia discription of a Mary-Sue character, these discription:
    “The term is also associated with cliché such as exotic hair and eye colors, mystical or superhuman powers, exotic pets, possessions, or origins, or an unusually tragic past, especially when these things are glaringly out of step with the consistency of the canon.”
    just remembered me of another main character. *smile*

  169. OhDanyBoy
    Posted February 2, 2011 at 1:36 pm | Permalink

    Abendstern,

    I’m just glad that all those things about Dany are glaringly IN-step with the consistency of the canon.

  170. OhDanyBoy
    Posted February 2, 2011 at 1:37 pm | Permalink

    Nymeria: Also, I’m still waiting for a trailer showing images while we hear the members of the Night’s Watch recite their vows…    

    Jon-centric trailer, anyone? That would be awesome.

  171. purplejilly
    Posted February 2, 2011 at 1:56 pm | Permalink

    Abendstern,

    TV Tropes has GREAT info on things like Mary Sues –
    http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/MarySue

    A mary sue, or a ‘tomboy’ or a ‘kick ass girl’ is not really a bad thing in and of itself – it’s when they become one dimensonal dopes, and written in a very flat way, that they can become annoying. To me, Arya is a very one dimensional trope-style character who never changes or grows, but Jaime is an example of a character that really undergoes significant and realistic growth. The best example ever of a Mary-Sue is Bella from Twilight. Ugh! That still didn’t stop the story from becoming popular. But Bella is not really what all the fans care about, it’s more Edward and Jacob. : ) I watched the spoof of it this weekend, “Vampires Suck”, and I feel like that was actually a better movie than the one it parodied!

  172. Brad
    Posted February 2, 2011 at 2:14 pm | Permalink

    Maise is great! She is a perfect fit for Arya, especially for the beginning of her character arc..

    As others have eluded to, it will be interesting to see how she does with the events of later seasons. If the show portrays it with the force that GRRM’s books do — if the show “goes there”– it will indeed be uncomfortable watching this little girl survive while crossing an entirely lawless and predator-filled countryside.

    I hope that the show producers are cognizant of just how far their child actors are going to be pushed in coming seasons with adult situations, and I hope they have made the young actors & their parents aware of it.

  173. Czarnian
    Posted February 2, 2011 at 2:32 pm | Permalink

    I somehow feel that I have to defend my favourite character Arya. Aryas character is similar to Tyrions. They both have a very sound mindset to begin with. Neither of them develop in the sense of the word that they adapt their personality. They are constantly beset by psychological traumas but their original selves endure. Where Jaimee and Sansa have to mature and develop Tyrion and Arya are already highly developed emotionally. The question is if Arya at such a young age will keep her mental health.

  174. Not Tim
    Posted February 2, 2011 at 2:54 pm | Permalink

    hija,

    I wonder if those that are jumping on the lack of originality in Arya, or worse her lack of growth have ever witnessed closely a little girl of 6-8 years. They generally ARE rather one dimensional.

    She has spent most of her life in her older sister’s shadow and rebels against being like her. Its a stereotype for a good reason – its extremely common particularly in a large family. She reflects her age in her still general confusion and seeing others as one dimensional as well – just as she sees herself. They are good or bad, and the shades of gray confuse her, and she lashes out at things that confuse her. She’s grasping at her training and ‘needle work’ as the only constant in her world, the only thing that makes sense.

    I think GRRM has done a great job of representing the different attitudes of the children in respect to their birth order, age, and the make-up of their parents.

    I’ll save my reasons why Jon isn’t poorly written another time.

  175. purplejilly
    Posted February 2, 2011 at 3:00 pm | Permalink

    Czarnian,

    The thing I find difficult to believe when reading Arya’s stories is how quickly and easily she falls into killing, even in a brutal world like Westeros. For her to have so very little stress or remorse over it either means to me she’s a mary-sue type trope, where she kills because she has to, in order to survive, and she does it quickly, easily and without hesitation the first time and many times afterwards, in a fashion similar to someone dispatching people in a video game. Stab, stab, stab, done, no problems, no stress, no thinking about it before or after, and doing it again whenever necessary. She’s super-Arya! She does what she has to and just ‘gets it done’. For a 9 or 10 year old girl to act like that seems a bit unrealistic to me. Or it could be we are being set up to see an older Arya who is a clinical sociopath, and therefore CAN kill easily without any stress, regret or remorse. That might make more sense, because with the way she is written throughout her journey, I find it unrealistic that she could endure all she does, and work hard in all the ways she has to work hard, without experiencing stress or emotion. Arya just goes and does, like an automaton, like a kick-ass video girl heroine, no regrets or hesitation. That might be the sociopath in her.

  176. purplejilly
    Posted February 2, 2011 at 3:05 pm | Permalink

    Not Tim,

    I’ll disagree with you – as I was once a little girl myself, and have raised two little girls (and two boys). I have plenty of experience being around little girls and they are FAR from one dimensional in my experience! But again, this is just my IMHO, and I know the main fandom loves Arya, and again, I will remind myself this is a fantasy book, not non-fiction, but still I don’t like how Arya is written as a girl.

    And not to dump on Sansa, but she is written much more realistically as a female character. But she’s almost one dimensional the other way. Super-super girly and very, very docile and naive and immature and male-subserviant in what she thinks and does and says.. However I think the TV show version of her is going to be better, because I think Sophie will bring more dimension to Sansa too..

  177. GaR
    Posted February 2, 2011 at 3:11 pm | Permalink

    purplejilly,

    I’m having trouble reconciling your comments with what I’ve read. Arya kills the stableboy out of desperation. The guardsman she kills on her way out of KL is the only one that really seems as unrealistic as you claim. That shit was cold.

    The scene where she kills the Tickler is really disturbing, as GRRM no doubt intended, because of her youth and what she does as a result of things that have happened to her. Mary-Sueish it ain’t, IMO.

    It’s been a couple years since I read the books, and I don’t recall any others off hand (other than Jaqen’s litle murders by proxy).

  178. GaR
    Posted February 2, 2011 at 3:12 pm | Permalink

    purplejilly,

    re: Sansa

    She may have started off that way, but she’s sorting herself out somewhat, circa aFfC.

  179. purplejilly
    Posted February 2, 2011 at 3:15 pm | Permalink

    YIKES! I meant to spoiler tag my above 2 posts before I hit post and forgot! Since there is no edit button, admin please add some black to my posts!! Allthough I am hoping everyone reading here knows all that already..to protect those that come later!

  180. purplejilly
    Posted February 2, 2011 at 3:19 pm | Permalink

    GaR,

    I’ll have to go back and look again but I think it was in AFfC where she counted up the murders she had done, and didn’t feel badly about, and it was nine? And she did have a brief moment of recognizing that she SHOULD feel badly about them, but didn’t – so maybe GRRM is going somewhere very interesting with future Arya.

  181. Not Tim
    Posted February 2, 2011 at 3:28 pm | Permalink

    purplejilly,

    Well we can agree to disagree. For one, I claim them as one dimensional compared to a more nuanced 20-30 year old, and am guilty of assuming those that claim they are badly written want a character with broad depth beyond their age.

    Its not that 6-8 year olds (girls or boys) aren’t capable of complex behavior, but their responses to stressful stimuli in particular tend to be very patterned, and I believe you see that in these kids. Arya and Sansa both try to break out of their patterns, but are forced back. During (the majority of ) these books they are utterly without any adult to help them level set their emotions and advance to other levels of maturity and understanding. Instead they are generally beset with adults that do the opposite. And the girls (and boys) respond by going to the safety of the ‘role’ they had at Winterfell.

    Arya: clearly she isn’t against doing Sansa’s form of needlework, and might actually enjoy it, but at the outset of the story she is surrounded by critical voices and a ‘court’ atmosphere that she just doesn’t fit, and she certainly wouldn’t be able to perform at the level of her older more practiced sister. When faced with feelings of not fitting in or inadequacy her response is to become very contrary and turn head long to the opposite – in this case sword play with the boys – as both a defensive and offensive mechanism. “Fine! I didn’t want to play your stupid game anyway!”

    As an aside, I think its somewhat type casting to claim that this response in a girl is in someway a tom-boy; both girls and boys do it.

  182. GaR
    Posted February 2, 2011 at 3:33 pm | Permalink

    purplejilly,

    Did she count Jaqen’s ones? That’s two if you disregard the weasel soup (which would bump it up considerably).

    I’ve decided not to reread until aDwD comes out, so unless someone can enlighten me, I don’t have any idea who most of her victims could be.

    Actually, if GoT premiers before the release of aDwD I may start my reread then.

  183. Tywin's Bastard
    Posted February 2, 2011 at 3:44 pm | Permalink

    I don’t think Arya is that far fetched, but she of course will be more so when compared to the children of today’s western world (which is a terrible context for comparison). I would suggest reading a bit about the children in the third world and finding some of the amazing stories about what children, who have had to survive extreme hardships on their own, have actually endured in real life. It’s of course not the same as Arya’s situation but it will provide some different context.

    Personally I learned a ton about myself when I did my mandatory military service in one of the elite units. Before that I basically only saw myself as mentally fairly soft. I had had trouble really getting into the right mindset in my martial arts training (still semi-contact at that time) because I didn’t really want to hurt someone. In the service I found myself enduring far more things than I thought I could have and when really pushed I carried on like a machine, with most feelings suppressed. I also thought much about myself during that time and found myself thinking that I was far closer to accepting to kill someone in a ‘kill or be killed’ situation than I could have imagined. Still what I did is absolutely nothing compared to the children that I mentioned before.

    And as for Arya’s feelings, I seem to remember several instances where those are described. It’s just that she can never afford to really let them out since doing so will be her undoing. All this, in the context of a story that’s certainly not 100% realistic outside her storyline either, makes me think that Arya isn’t an impossible character. I don’t have much more trouble accepting her than I do Tyrion, Bran etc.

  184. Czarnian
    Posted February 2, 2011 at 4:07 pm | Permalink

    purplejilly,

    I like your take. I like it when people take it one step further. GRRM has given us the blueprints, now we are filling in the rest. But I do think he hast thought of this. Arya’s notorious killings are so out there. Her ow3n thought portraits it almost like a videogame. She is at a vulnerable age. I do think a nine year old adapts very quickly. Killing should come very easily It will be very interesting to see where she goes from there. How she develops. She should by all standards be quite fucked up. Can GRRM take us into that mind of hers?

  185. Czarnian
    Posted February 2, 2011 at 4:11 pm | Permalink

    I mean I killed frogs, birds and even a seal and a swan as a kid. I still have to deal with the kickback of those deads. I still lie awake some nights and wonder about good and evil and where I stand as I stare into the darkness of my own soul. I really hope these questions will come to Arya aswell. I wold hate it to have her dismissed as an actionhero. I want her to be as real as me.
    What do you think?

  186. userj
    Posted February 2, 2011 at 4:23 pm | Permalink

    Freely Seek,

    Joffery was not about to murder Mycah. Beat the crap out of him and shame him? Cut him a little? Perhaps. Murder? No.

    I’m not trying to say the situation was awesome and Arya is horrible for having defended Mycah – but she should have defended him without using physical force. And I maintain that Cersei would have ignored protestations from both Sansa and Arya. The “evidence” that Joffery had been hurt was right there. If Joffery was uninjured there would have been a chance to save Mycah and Nymeria/Lady.

    Arya should have shown some remorse for Mycah and not pinned it all on The Hound (who was following orders anyhow). She doesn’t seem to get that always using violence to get ahead might be a bad thing until rather late in aCoK.

  187. GaR
    Posted February 2, 2011 at 4:26 pm | Permalink

    Czarnian,

    I think the day a character in aSoIaF becomes a generic action hero will be the day hell freezes over.

  188. GaR
    Posted February 2, 2011 at 4:37 pm | Permalink

    userj,

    You think the Hound was ordered to ride down Mycah and cut him in half? I find that unlikely.

    Perhaps Joffrey might have ordered such a thing, but there are orders and orders.

  189. Maxwell James
    Posted February 2, 2011 at 4:59 pm | Permalink

    Tywin’s Bastard,

    I totally agree. I see Arya as actually being one of Martin’s more realistic characters. There’s nothing supernatural or even especially impressive about her abilities, except her will to survive. Her killing instinct is developed slowly over time, from the almost-accidental death of the stableboy to the enraged assault on the Tickler. Sadly, as you point out there have probably been plenty of child soldiers in this world who have had experiences comparable to hers.

    Personally, should the series go to three seasons I would prefer if they dropped said scene with the Tickler, or at least altered it significantly. There are some scenes child actors shouldn’t be put through.

  190. purplejilly
    Posted February 2, 2011 at 5:23 pm | Permalink

    Czarnian,

    I think you are right – I think it would be very good for us to read about Arya laying awake at night and thinking about those things, like you do with the animals. Maybe now that she is blind, perhaps it will be the time for her to contemplate her life so far, and contemplate all she has done. Maybe it will be like a re-birth of her soul – she will be blind until she thinks about and processes all she has done, and comes to feel and understand the value of life, and even when you have to take a life, understand what it means. And once she learns that lesson, her sight will be restored? It will be interesting to see if we are right! : )

  191. purplejilly
    Posted February 2, 2011 at 5:33 pm | Permalink

    Maxwell James: Tywin’s Bastard, I totally agree. I see Arya as actually being one of Martin’s more realistic characters. There’s nothing supernatural or even especially impressive about her abilities, except her will to survive. Her killing instinct is developed slowly over time, from the almost-accidental death of the stableboy to the enraged assault on the Tickler. Sadly, as you point out there have probably been plenty of child soldiers in this world who have had experiences comparable to hers.Personally, should the series go to three seasons I would prefer if they dropped said scene with the Tickler, or at least altered it significantly. There are some scenes child actors shouldn’t be put through.  Quote  Reply

    But see, this is what puzzles me – people seem to be very nervous about what they are going to have to have Maisie watch, and what they are going to have to put her through, and what things they will have to make her do, if they follow the text of the books faithfully, yet no one thinks that the way Arya acts, and the things she does are a little unrealistic?

    If there is nothing wrong with the way Arya behaves and what she does, why are people so concerned about the effect of those actions on the actress?

    (just debating here, hope no one is getting mad at me or thinks I am flaming Arya and esp. NOTHING to do with Maisie. Like I said I think Maisie is going to make Arya a better character on screen)

  192. purplejilly
    Posted February 2, 2011 at 5:35 pm | Permalink

    GaR,

    I think it was counting Jaquen’s and the weasel soup, and some guards she had slashed but wasn’t sure if they were actually dead or not..

  193. purplejilly
    Posted February 2, 2011 at 5:37 pm | Permalink

    and does anyone here like graphic novels? I don’t, but I just saw this:
    http://shelf-life.ew.com/2011/02/02/graphic-novel-george-r-r-martins-a-song-of-fire-and-ice-game-of-thrones
    and to mean it seems weird. they are going to draw all these characters now, but they aren’t going to look like the ones in the TV show. Maybe this is standard with graphic novels. But I wish they woudl just draw them like the HBO cast!

  194. Zack
    Posted February 2, 2011 at 6:02 pm | Permalink

    purplejilly: If there is nothing wrong with the way Arya behaves and what she does, why are people so concerned about the effect of those actions on the actress?

    (just debating here, hope no one is getting mad at me or thinks I am flaming Arya and esp. NOTHING to do with Maisie. Like I said I think Maisie is going to make Arya a better character on screen)

    Well, for one thing, looking at Westeros from the viewpoint of a citizen of a 21st century developed nation and trying to say that what would be unrealistic here and now must also be unrealistic there and then, is quite a stretch. I would think this should be more than obvious. Context is everything. Childhood in Westeros is much more fleeting, and in a much more perilous state, than most kids now will ever have to face (although it’s been stated numerous times, but to reiterate: if one were to travel to modern war-torn third-world nations, one would likely see . So it seems odd to be able to accept that Robb can be out there as a brilliant strategist and fighter and commander of an army at his age (15 in the books?) and yet raise questions about the realism of a 9-year old tomboy with minimal sword training managing to survive against all odds.

    Secondly, realizing that Arya’s arc is troublesome has nothing to do with the actress. In the novels, Arya is forced to kill people based on an unfortunate circumstance. And it’s not a situation I’d ever wish upon anyone, let alone a child. But it happened because her family was labeled traitors and she is an enemy of the crown. Doesn’t mean acting that out would be easy for a young actress’ psyche to handle.

  195. JD
    Posted February 2, 2011 at 6:05 pm | Permalink

    I feel the need to weigh in on Arya (who, for the record, both love AND don’t think is an unrealistic/one-dimensional character — those things don’t need to be coupled for me):

    First, I personally find it bizarre that anyone would think Arya “isn’t affected” by killing people and by the horrible things she goes through. As someone else mentioned, her mental health is in a bit of a downward spiral. She is utterly affected by it, but in an emotionally repressive way. If she is a Mary-Sue, or ideal character, then that ideal is pretty warped. I do think Arya “kicks ass” in many ways, but not because she murders people without remorse. That makes me sad for her. I think we are supposed to see a turn to darkness in her that isn’t a “good” thing but a sad thing, even if it is a “cool” thing from a “this is fiction and not a real little girl, otherwise I would cry for her” perspective. Arya the Assassin seems like a lot of fun in that regard, but only because I think disturbing things can be fun when they aren’t real. If you doubt the darkness of her future, remember the words of the ghost of High Heart in Clash.

    Second, as to Arya’s blindness, I really assumed that it was part of her training. Recall that the youngest acolyte is blind, and thus learns to rely on other senses. I just thought it was step one of the training.

  196. GaR
    Posted February 2, 2011 at 6:07 pm | Permalink

    purplejilly:
    But see, this is what puzzles me – people seem to be very nervous about what they are going to have to have Maisie watch, and what they are going to have to put her through, and what things they will have to make her do, if they follow the text of the books faithfully, yet no one thinks that the way Arya acts, and the things she does are a little unrealistic?If there is nothing wrong with the way Arya behaves and what she does, why are people so concerned about the effect of those actions on the actress?(just debating here, hope no one is getting mad at me or thinks I am flaming Arya and esp. NOTHING to do with Maisie. Like I said I think Maisie is going to make Arya a better character on screen)    

    No one’s suggesting that those horrific things that Arya ends up doing are right, just that they’re realistic (or potentially so).

    Don’t be conflating “believable” with “acceptable” :P

  197. Tywin's Bastard
    Posted February 2, 2011 at 6:46 pm | Permalink

    purplejilly,

    Being realistic and being morally right are two very different things. Realistic would be whether it’s plausible or not, within the context of the world and the story, that Arya’s events could take place. I don’t think her story stand out that much more than others. She has survived by a good deal of luck but she’s not the only one to have done that in this series.

    Whether her actions are right or wrong is an entirely different matter and personally I don’t think that there’s anything amiss if her actions are sometimes seen as morally wrong by readers. On the contrary it strengthens the non-black and white aspect of the novels if the POV characters aren’t good, they just act according to what they themselves deem is right. This far Arya has justified killing of the people she thinks are evil, but that doesn’t mean that it’s ‘right’ by any supernatural law. It’s just her way of looking at things, just as other characters have their own ways of looking at things.

    Arya seems driven by her will to survive and her hatred for everyone that stands for what’s wrong with her life. It will be interesting to see what she will do now that part of her training is to make her let go of all hatred.

  198. Zack
    Posted February 2, 2011 at 7:12 pm | Permalink

    Sorry about the unedited post. I meant to say that there are certainly child soldiers in some countries even now.

    We may not think that it’s “realistic” for a child to have that capability within him/herself, but it’s probably the case that until one is faced with a life or death situation, it’s impossible to say how strong a survival instinct one might have. We just are lucky enough to live in a relatively stable world. For a girl as streetwise as Arya, that willpower, combined with a degree of training and a good dose of luck, it seems certainly plausible, IMO, that she could survive as long as she has.

    But just as it’s the case that to this point we’ve seen Arya’s grasp with reality seem to slip, we want Maisie to not have to cope with those ideas at that age. I’m sure the crew is doing and will do everything they can to minimize these problems while keeping to the spirit of the books though.

    Tywin’s Bastard,

    Nicely said. I try to refrain from making moral judgements on Arya, because she’s motivated by survival and justice, primarily…but specific actions she takes are certainly morally ambiguous. Shades of grey are so much more interesting than all good or evil.

  199. Bard of Awen
    Posted February 2, 2011 at 7:54 pm | Permalink

    Zack:
    But just as it’s the case that to this point we’ve seen Arya’s grasp with reality seem to slip, we want Maisie to not have to cope with those ideas at that age. I’m sure the crew is doing and will do everything they can to minimize these problems while keeping to the spirit of the books though.

    With respect, I don’t think you’re giving Maisie enough credit. She’s quite young, yes, but she’s clearly a very intelligent girl. I don’t think Arya’s transformation is beyond her ability to grasp, nor do I think these ideas would traumatize her. As you said, there’s a good team of people working with her, and I think she will have plenty of support if she needs it. Honestly, I expect her to get where Arya is going more quickly and completely than anyone expects. She blew everyone’s minds with the whole left-handed swordplay issue. I fully expect Mind Blowing 2.0 in the season 2 interviews.

  200. gurgi
    Posted February 2, 2011 at 9:51 pm | Permalink

    Bard of Awen,

    I agree here, and that’s what makes ME afraid for her in season two and THREE (there, I said it too, LOL)is that I can see Maisie saying “BRING IT ON!!” While her parents read ahead and turn several slightly lighter shades of pale…

  201. purplejilly
    Posted February 2, 2011 at 10:02 pm | Permalink

    Tywin’s Bastard,

    After thinking about it, I find that if i think about child soldiers in third world countries, and places like Afghanistan and Iraq it could make a lot more sense. I guess I was making a comparison based on where I live, how I grew up, and my own children, and compared to that, Arya’s actions seemed one dimensional and very much not how a girl would react – but a girl from a third world might indeed act like Arya.

  202. Freely Seek
    Posted February 2, 2011 at 10:17 pm | Permalink

    userj,

    This is Joffrey we are talking about. He shot a crossbow into a crowd of people for sport. Among other things.

  203. Freely Seek
    Posted February 2, 2011 at 10:19 pm | Permalink

    And while Cersei would have ignored them both, Robert may not have. It was Robert who said nothing while Cersei went on, and Robert that Ned turned to for help. A little more proof might have been enough to get a ‘no’ from the king. After which it is entirely possible Ned could have ferretted Lady away somewhere Cersei couldn’t kill her.

  204. Kanga
    Posted February 2, 2011 at 10:23 pm | Permalink

    Apologies if this has already been posted, but have you guys seen this yet? We’ve got a new composer for GoT, Stephen Warbeck was replaced by Ramin Djawadi:

    http://www.westeros.org/GoT/News/Entry/Warbeck_Out_Djawadi_In_as_Composer/

  205. Kanga
    Posted February 2, 2011 at 10:24 pm | Permalink

    ^^ as far as I’m concerned this is the next best thing to getting Hans Zimmer himself, so I’m pretty happy about the it :)

  206. Zack
    Posted February 2, 2011 at 10:38 pm | Permalink

    gurgi,

    Hahaha! I hope that’s how it plays out :)

  207. purplejilly
    Posted February 2, 2011 at 10:46 pm | Permalink

    Freely Seek,

    Joff is definitely a Sociopath in my definition…

  208. Pierce VanderBent
    Posted February 3, 2011 at 1:34 am | Permalink

    How old is maisie williams?

  209. Tywin's Bastard
    Posted February 3, 2011 at 7:39 am | Permalink

    purplejilly,

    Yes, it’s natural to view things from the perspectives we are familiar with. As said I even had the wrong opinion about myself because I hadn’t seen myself in the right context to bring out that other side of me. And it’s great if you found a way to feel a little bit better about Arya as a character because just because others like something doesn’t mean that we have to do it ourselves.

  210. purplejilly
    Posted February 3, 2011 at 9:25 am | Permalink

    Pierce VanderBent: How old is maisie williams?  Quote  Reply

    I think she is 13, right?

  211. Shinyteapot
    Posted February 3, 2011 at 10:02 am | Permalink

    I don’t think we need to worry too much about what happens later on in Arya’s story. While of course the young actors’ sensibilities need to be considered, Maisie won’t be a very young child any more when these things are filmed. I believe she’s already a teenager?

    Asking a 9 year old, as Arya is in the book, to play this role would I think be a bad idea for all concerned. But TV Arya is older than book Arya, and Maisie is older than her character too. Obviously any boundaries set by Maisie and her parents must be respected. But I think an intelligent, mature teenager could play the role well, with all its’ subtleties, and while she looks younger than her true age (particularly when in costume as Arya), Maisie comes across in that video as very smart and grown up. Series 3 and 4 (if we get that far) may well be very challenging, but she’ll be older by then and hopefully equal to the task.

  212. userj
    Posted February 3, 2011 at 1:24 pm | Permalink

    Shinyteapot,

    I think you guys are making mountains out of molehills.

    From kindergarten on kids are VERY adept at understanding the difference between “let’s pretend”/”make believe” and reality. Any actress playing Arya would be “playing let’s pretend” when she pretends to stab the stableboy and whoever else. Kids pretend to kill each other all the time – and it doesn’t horribly scar them. I think a kid would be more likely to be harmed watching something like aGoT than acting in it. Obviously they will set up shots so the kids don’t see anything inappropriate (Sansa’s wedding for example). Things like Arya seeing dead bodies isn’t an issue, since the dead bodies will be played by real people so it’d be clear to the actress that those people are playing and it’s make believe time. Who hasn’t shot home movies with dead people and corn syrup makeup when they are kids?

    As for AGoT… most of it should be OK for any kid over 10 who is otherwise capable of watching an R-rated movie. For a particularly sensitive kid, maybe not. But that’s why we leave these decisions up to someone who knows their kid – the parents.

    I think a 9 year old Arya would be a bad idea simply because the acting ability is likely to be not as good.

  213. miltos Yerolemou
    Posted February 3, 2011 at 6:51 pm | Permalink

    reedgirl,

    yes yes yes….it is me! ME i tell ya!!!

  214. miltos Yerolemou
    Posted February 3, 2011 at 6:54 pm | Permalink

    The Young Wolf,

    but thats slowwwww. we were ‘marking’ it in this footage…a nice steady pace as we get used to the choreography… wait till you see it for real….

  215. miltos Yerolemou
    Posted February 3, 2011 at 6:58 pm | Permalink

    top six,

    there was no time or money spent on this. she decided to fight left handed. simple. so with no fuss and no extra effort she simply, fought…. left handed. an actors choice based on what she knew of the character she was portraying. no one made her, it was her decision and she made is seem as effortless as her talent…she is simply amaising! (sic)

  216. miltos Yerolemou
    Posted February 3, 2011 at 7:02 pm | Permalink

    purplejilly,

    i love you for saying that….you will never know how close i came to having it cut …
    *smiles*

  217. Laughing Tree
    Posted February 3, 2011 at 7:18 pm | Permalink

    I think all these kids are going to be amazing! and they’re all so immersed in their roles as for each of them it is their first big break… i can’t wait to see how it all comes together… *lift’s beer bottle* here’s to them aging and maturing better than the harry potter cast did through 10 years of filming!!! (im a fan of hermione and ron, but harry and pretty much every other child actor in those movies turned into awful teen actors)…just to reiterate i am 100% positive that this cast will be amazing throughout the entire series, no doubt about it!! so far we’ve had a good look at arya and dany, and they’re both so charismatic and perfect casting choices… wonder when we’ll be seeing some intervies of the boys???

  218. purplejilly
    Posted February 3, 2011 at 8:30 pm | Permalink

    miltos Yerolemou: (Sansa’s wedding for

    I am so glad that common sense won out on that one! It is such gorgeous hair!! The curls fling around in a dashing, Errol Flynn-pirate style as you and Maisie fight – it would have been sooo boring bald!!

  219. purplejilly
    Posted February 3, 2011 at 8:34 pm | Permalink

    purplejilly,

    I dont know why the quote in my post was of sansa’s wedding. that wasnt the post i was quoting at all – it’s done this to me several times now!

  220. paulgude
    Posted February 3, 2011 at 8:52 pm | Permalink

    miltos Yerolemou,

    As a fellow curly-locked chap, I am glad to see them stay as well.

    Regardless of how many of my hair-brained schemes may have sprung from the decision.

  221. reedgirl
    Posted February 3, 2011 at 10:39 pm | Permalink

    miltos Yerolemou,

    Ha ha, thanks for letting me know. You really look brilliant in your swordplay steps. It’s like you slipped your skin and became the First Sword of Braavos. I thank you in advance for opening a can of whoop-ass on those Lannister guards :)

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