MGoT: Hi-res stills of Westeros landscapes
By Winter Is Coming on in Media.

Some beautiful photos posted over at Making Game of Thrones. They are still shots of the completed CGI work on King’s Landing, Winterfell and the Wall. These babies will make for some great wallpapers. Click on each to bring up the mega-res photo.

King's Landing
Winterfell
Winterfell in Distance
The Wall


165 Comments

  1. Evoldoer
    Posted March 23, 2011 at 4:21 pm | Permalink

    mmmm… that’s some sweet, sweet eye candy!

  2. John Engedal
    Posted March 23, 2011 at 4:23 pm | Permalink

    Beautiful.

  3. GaR
    Posted March 23, 2011 at 4:27 pm | Permalink

    The King’s landing one is badass. The Red Keep, Baelor’s Sept, the Dragonpit, the Kingswood…

    Winterfell’s a bit weird with its Mos Eisley style low domed roofs that’d fall in after the first decent snowfall…

  4. Tar Kidho
    Posted March 23, 2011 at 4:30 pm | Permalink

    Wooohooooooo!!! Landscapes are by far my favorite image type (amateur photographer speaking here) and these few rank among the best I’ve ever seen ;-)

  5. paulgude
    Posted March 23, 2011 at 4:32 pm | Permalink

    Personally, I really like how the heart tree stands out in the Winterfell picture. It’s like a beacon in that harsh landscape.

  6. Keaton
    Posted March 23, 2011 at 4:33 pm | Permalink

    I’m hoping this beautiful CGI work is going to extend to the Vale.

  7. Inkasrain
    Posted March 23, 2011 at 4:41 pm | Permalink

    Winterfell lives!

  8. JonSnow'sBastard
    Posted March 23, 2011 at 4:42 pm | Permalink

    GaR,

    I agree. I think it looks great, but I’m sort of surprised to not see roofs with a more dramatic slope to help stop heavy snow accumulations on top.

    /roofgate

  9. Tar Kidho
    Posted March 23, 2011 at 4:42 pm | Permalink

    One thing though that the photographer in me simply can’t stand: the horizon in the King’s Landing image is not level! So I’ll quickly run it through photoshop before putting it as my desktop background…

  10. Bombadil
    Posted March 23, 2011 at 4:50 pm | Permalink

    JonSnow’sBastard,

    well, it’s told that Winterfell has hot water channels inside the walls, you can imagine that snow melts over the roof quickly.

  11. Nakmal
    Posted March 23, 2011 at 4:51 pm | Permalink

    Tar Kidho,

    Isn’t that due to what could possibly mountains/hills on the horizon?

  12. Brandon Gower
    Posted March 23, 2011 at 4:54 pm | Permalink

    Tar Kidho:
    One thing though that the photographer in me simply can’t stand: the horizon in the King’s Landing image is not level! So I’ll quickly run it through photoshop before putting it as my desktop background…

    Yeah it is. Look at the water line on the left.

  13. GaR
    Posted March 23, 2011 at 4:55 pm | Permalink

    Nakmal,

    It looks to me like the horizon slopes downward slightly left-to-right. I didn’t care and hadn’t noticed, but now it’s been mentioned… >_<

    Bombadil,

    You think they pipe hot water to the rooves odf the towers? :P

    Honestly, it’s a minor detail, but a baffling decision nonetheless.

  14. Lars
    Posted March 23, 2011 at 4:56 pm | Permalink

    Tar Kidho,

    How is the horizon not level? Looking at the ocean, it certainly appears to be… What you are reacting to is most likely a trick of perspective with the city walls. (the wall comes closer to the ‘camera’ as it moves to the right)

  15. Andrea Burgos Prieto
    Posted March 23, 2011 at 4:57 pm | Permalink

    KL is my Top 1. The Wall is quite impressive aswell. Looking forward to see the Eyrie and Riverrun. I guess it is difficuly to find so many real castles that fulfill everyone’s expectations but, so far, locations are terrific!!

  16. Wastrel
    Posted March 23, 2011 at 4:58 pm | Permalink

    They look nice – but Winterfell’s going to take some getting used to. For a start, a fleet of spaceships have landed in it.And then there’s the face that the first thing anyone thinks will, as people have already thought and said, “that won’t cope with snowfall”.

    Personally, I’d have preferred if they’d gone for a more northern-european look, with steeples and spires – or even Russian tented roofs.

  17. Wastrel
    Posted March 23, 2011 at 5:11 pm | Permalink

    Wastrel,

    In case people think I only criticise, however: that last trailor was the best yet. Looked really good (mostly).

  18. GaR
    Posted March 23, 2011 at 5:13 pm | Permalink

    Turns out that horizon is level, I’m just too suggestible or something.

  19. Langkard
    Posted March 23, 2011 at 5:20 pm | Permalink

    paulgude,

    Agreed. When I first caught a glimpse of that shot in the trailer I had to roll back and watch it several times, awestruck. Only those who have read the books will understand why there is a red-leafed tree in that shot. Such care for the fans and attention to detail is wonderful.

  20. MirriMaz
    Posted March 23, 2011 at 5:23 pm | Permalink

    These look amazing, some really nice cgi went into the kingslanding still.

    Next can we have the interior of the Eyrie, it looks really good in the new trailer.

  21. bgrahambo
    Posted March 23, 2011 at 5:27 pm | Permalink

    Awesome CGI! It’s very well done and the CGI bits blend perfectly in with the surrounding environment. There’s even a barely visible reflection of the Red Keep in the water. Awesome.

    As to complaints that the horizon isn’t level: It is too level. As others pointed out, just look at the water. Maybe the fact that the clouds aren’t going directly linearly across the picture from this perspective is throwing it off for some folks. Clouds go in different directions; it’s ok.

    cloud examples: http://www.google.com/images?hl=en&q=weird+clouds&um=1&ie=UTF-8&source=og&sa=N&tab=wi&biw=1920&bih=918

  22. Tar Kidho
    Posted March 23, 2011 at 5:40 pm | Permalink

    To all who reacted to my previous post: indeed, I stand corrected. Close inspection in photoshop showed basically no tilting at all… (0.12° CCW, which is really insignificant) As Lars suggested, what tricked me into ‘seeing’ a tilted horizon is the wall running towards the Red Keep. This makes the image feeling somehow ‘off’ to me, but that’s not uncommen in real life images either, hence I take back my faul criticism and will be hiding under a (red) rock for some time…

  23. Two Feathers
    Posted March 23, 2011 at 5:41 pm | Permalink

    I must admit Winterfell is rather tricky to get used to. Can`t decide if I like those towers or not. It is certainly unique. I was also puzzled that there is no Wintertown outside the walls,and where is the Wolfswood? The whole setting just doesn`t say Winterfell in the far North to me, more like Strangeville in a temperate wasteland.

  24. Tar Kidho
    Posted March 23, 2011 at 5:50 pm | Permalink

    GaR:
    Turns out that horizon is level, I’m just too suggestible or something.

    Yeah, sorry for that, my bad :-) Btw, I turned the image till it appeared ‘level’ to my eyes, and that looks like this: http://www.pbase.com/gbleek/image/133380168/original (the black border illustrates the angle of rotation, which is 38° CCW)
    It really is the central part of the wall that set me off, and although my rotated version now has tilting buildings and horizon, it does look more level like this to me…

  25. pualo
    Posted March 23, 2011 at 5:58 pm | Permalink

    I have a bigger problem with the Red Keep than with Winterfell. It’s size is just ridiculous. I know this is fantasy, but that castle just seems way too big (too tall, particularly). Maybe Harrenhal should be that big, but not the Red Keep. I think it detracts from the realism of the show.

    I’m also not happy that they made Winterfell so small and crappy. In the books, Winterfell is actually larger than the Red Keep. I guess they really want to play up the angle that Ned and company are in a whole different league once they get to King’s Landing. But I think they may have taken it too far. Winterfell is one of the the principal castles of the kingdom, not just some backwater. And they totally eliminated the town outside its walls, apparently.

    [Note: I'm nitpicking. This stuff isn't that important overall.]

  26. Tywin's Bastard
    Posted March 23, 2011 at 6:07 pm | Permalink

    Very nice pictures. The CGI looks to be of very good quality.

    Winterfell looked really odd on the small picture but luckily it makes much better sense when you see the high resolution one.

  27. Lina
    Posted March 23, 2011 at 6:14 pm | Permalink

    King’s Landing looks awesome. I just love the red tones; it really conveys the humidity and personality of the city.

    The Wall is great, but we all knew that. I’m guessing, based on the way the forest only comes so close, that this screen is beyond the Wall. I’m also guessing this is one of the first screens in the show, because I’m betting that’s Waymar/Gared/Will setting out for their ranging.

    Winterfell….:/ Not so crazy about it. It’s just not what I imagined. I always imagined Winterfell to be plain and practical, but larger/taller. Someone already mentioned how Winterfell is supposed to be larger than the Red Keep, and while it could just be the respective scales of the images, the Red Keep certainly seems larger. Some people said they didn’t like the roundness, and I don’t really either, as I always imagine it a more classic Northern European castle. HOWEVER, I went on AWOIAF to see what it said about Winterfell, and a few parts of the castle are round, with one being “squat and round.” http://awoiaf.westeros.org/index.php/Winterfell

    Really like the picture outside Winterfell though. Definitely conveys the bleakness and size of the North, and really says, “Winter is Coming.”

  28. GaR
    Posted March 23, 2011 at 6:21 pm | Permalink

    Lina,

    Round towers are common, low domed roofs are not, because they can’t handle snowfall (and aren’t great at heavy rain, either).

    I mean, I’ll grin and bear it, but you have to wonder who herped and derped and designed a castle in a notoriously snowy region with rooves you’d expect to see in a desert.

  29. The Rabbit
    Posted March 23, 2011 at 6:21 pm | Permalink

    GaR,

    I can add here a bit of Mos Eisley gate, because your argument about the snow on the roofs is spot on (and realistic indeed).
    But, I guess I could live with it.

    Really like the heart-tree.

  30. M.Martell
    Posted March 23, 2011 at 6:22 pm | Permalink

    Andrea Burgos Prieto,

    I´ve always pictured Riverun to look something like this:

    Alcazar de Segovia

    Even the shape matches the description!

  31. GaR
    Posted March 23, 2011 at 6:24 pm | Permalink

    The Rabbit,

    Yeah, the heart tree is a nice touch, and I like the surrounding landscape, even if a whole town and forest are missing. It reminds me of New Zealand countryside in winter. Makes me want to hoon around the castle on my dirt bike :B

    M.Martell,

    Wow, if Riverrun looks like that I’ll be stoked. Nice find.

  32. Wastrel
    Posted March 23, 2011 at 6:29 pm | Permalink

    GaR: nobody, I shouldn’t think. As I think I’ve commented before, a lot of things about the show suggest that very little thought or preparation has gone into the background elements. It’s more “draw a castle” – “here, I think this looks cool” – “ok”.

  33. Two Feathers
    Posted March 23, 2011 at 6:35 pm | Permalink

    I have been looking at the two Winterfell pics. for the last half hour, trying to like it, but it just aint happening. Those roofs are just wrong! Plus no Wintertown,plus no Wolfswood,plus no sign of the Kingsroad….surely there should be signs of a well worn trail,wagon tracks etc. I have never felt the need to be critical before but Jemma Jackson ( responsible from ground to sky) your Winterfell sucks!

  34. Crysania
    Posted March 23, 2011 at 6:43 pm | Permalink

    I am just going to throw this out there but there are other sides to Winterfell…we could be looking at the back of it…and I could be completely wrong.

    Kings landing is also up on a hill with everything else lower around it which can give it the illusion of it being much taller…

  35. Cardus
    Posted March 23, 2011 at 6:55 pm | Permalink

    Looks sweet…..

    Oh no, there aren’t enough trees/roads/goat paths/roof shingles/ and/or there are too many. Show is ruined!

  36. seamusk
    Posted March 23, 2011 at 6:57 pm | Permalink

    Yeah Winterfell throws me off too. But, isn’t that the side gate? That’s not the main gate right? The town definitely appears to be missing though and the Wolfs Wood too.

    Two Feathers – there does appear to be a clear, heavily used track though. It seems to flow just below the hill and disappears from site because of where the pic is taken from.

  37. Two Feathers
    Posted March 23, 2011 at 7:06 pm | Permalink

    If the Wintertown etc is on the blind side of the castle I will gladly eat humble pie.And no this won`t spoil the show for me Cardus your just being an ass!

  38. Mormegil
    Posted March 23, 2011 at 7:13 pm | Permalink

    Love Kings Landing, the Hi Res version looks fantastic.

    I have seen it sugested though that the image is the wrong way round. If the greenery in the right of the picture is meant to be part of the Kingswood then we are looking North and the Blackwater flows into the West instead of the East.

    Winterfell – from the first time I saw WF I’ve thought the Round towers looked very odd but I do like how they have made the castle a hodge podge of different architectural designs reflecting how the castle was built over hundreds or thousands of years.

    As to it’s size it does look like the Castle carries on past the Gods wood for a bit so is probably a little larger than it looks.

  39. Felix Zschieschow
    Posted March 23, 2011 at 7:19 pm | Permalink

    1) Flying saucers landed on Winterfell.

    2) Jesus in the Wall.

  40. Eric
    Posted March 23, 2011 at 7:24 pm | Permalink

    Winterfell is supposed to be larger than the Red Keep, but that does not mean it is taller. Assuming that view of Winterfell is not of the entire castle (a safe assumption), then Winterfell probably does have a larger footprint than the Red Keep. The Red Keep looks tall and imposing, but it doesn’t seem to sprawl too much.

  41. Knurk
    Posted March 23, 2011 at 7:25 pm | Permalink

    BTW, does nobody on this website has a fancast-account so they can put it on youtube? Reading in all the posts how good the ‘new’ costumes video is, it is time for me to see it!

  42. Zack
    Posted March 23, 2011 at 7:26 pm | Permalink

    Winterfell looks ridiculous and impractical. KL is good though. And the Wall, just beautiful. This show’s clearly gonna feature the full spectrum of decision-making suitableness.

  43. Inkasrain
    Posted March 23, 2011 at 7:41 pm | Permalink

    Serious dilemma: I would (of course) prefer Winterfell as my desktop over King’s Landing, but the color tones are so much more inviting down in that southern snake pit.

    Sigh. Such difficult choices.

  44. Lina
    Posted March 23, 2011 at 7:43 pm | Permalink

    GaR:
    Lina,

    Round towers are common, low domed roofs are not, because they can’t handle snowfall (and aren’t great at heavy rain, either).

    I mean, I’ll grin and bear it, but you have to wonder who herped and derped and designed a castle in a notoriously snowy region with rooves you’d expect to see in a desert.

    Hm, good point. I hadn’t really thought about the roof structure while rereading the description of the castle. Makes sense about the snow too. I went back to picture and tried to look at it as though maybe we just can’t see the whole roofs from the angle, since we’re seeing it from a little bit below. But no, they just look flat. :(

    Roofgate!

  45. Who Is Jacopo Belbo?
    Posted March 23, 2011 at 7:53 pm | Permalink

    no place that gets snow would design buildings/roofs like that. period. end of story. the fact that the art direction/design team missed that is kind of a pretty big blunder. we aren’t “experts” and even most of us caught it. as will most of the viewers. cone roofs would have been just fine and would have actually been what probably was used in an area with the weather like Winterfell. gotta admit i am kinda disappointed the design team would make such a rookie type mistake (tho they also did the same sort of minor functionality fail error with Ice and it having a completely smooth, non wrapped handle).

    not a deal breaker but just disappointing that the team couldn’t think of something simple like this.

  46. Chris
    Posted March 23, 2011 at 7:56 pm | Permalink

    Winterfell is definitely different than what I pictured, but come on, it looks freaking awesome in terms of CGI quality. That was my main concern, that the castles didn’t scream CGI and stand out awkwardly from the landscape.

    Compare it to the castles in the trailer and first episode of Camelot and it is so much better.

    I know I won’t agree with all the design choices, but all I care about is whether it looks good, and I think it looks great.

  47. Lars
    Posted March 23, 2011 at 8:01 pm | Permalink

    There’s always nitpicks to be had… If the roofs of Winterfell and lack of surrounding villages is the biggest issue, we’ll be lucky. :)

    (Perhaps some of that can be ret-conned in with season 2, since there will be a lot of Winterfell events then.)

    Big budget productions are not immune to these things… I remember being annoyed at “LOTR: Return of the King” since it showed Minas Tirith as a walled city/capital without anything outside the walls. No villages, farms, markets. In this aspect, Kings Landing is a vast improvement.

  48. Fire And Blood
    Posted March 23, 2011 at 8:02 pm | Permalink

    Roofgate! (I’ll always support the bottom.)

    I agree those Winterfell roofs would not hold up under a proper snowfall. You’d think with “Winter Is Coming” as their motto they’d realize that, you know, winter is actually coming.

    I mean, unless they somehow have heated roofs or whatever. It was noted Wibterfell was built over a hot spring and that:

    … scalding waters rushed through its walls and chambers like blood through a man’s body…

    Dunno if they’re actually using that for the series, however.

    Perhaps the CGI guys have never lived in an area that gets actual snowfall? Dunno.

    Anyway, King’s Landing looks badass. I’d be changing my desktop immediately had I not this gorgeous hi-res shot of Ned on the Iron Throne staring back at me.

  49. Viktor L
    Posted March 23, 2011 at 8:22 pm | Permalink

    loadsa ice! I like these pictures, also my body is ready Chris!

  50. Wolfheart
    Posted March 23, 2011 at 8:27 pm | Permalink

    Wastrel:
    They look nice – but Winterfell’s going to take some getting used to. For a start, a fleet of spaceships have landed in it.And then there’s the face that the first thing anyone thinks will, as people have already thought and said, “that won’t cope with snowfall”.

    Personally, I’d have preferred if they’d gone for a more northern-european look, with steeples and spires – or even Russian tented roofs.

    I agree. Winterfells spaceship towers dont have a steep enough incline on the roofs to make snow run off. I live in MN and those kind of rooves would be a cave in hazard in winter. And we get winter 6 months out of the year.

  51. Wolfheart
    Posted March 23, 2011 at 8:28 pm | Permalink

    I notice the same low round rooftops on the tops of the Red keep just like Winterfell.

  52. GaR
    Posted March 23, 2011 at 8:30 pm | Permalink

    Well, the stupid Winterfell roofs are the first thing about this show I actually dislike. Which, considering how much we’ve seen, is pretty damn good. If it’s the worst thing, I’ll be happy.

    For the record, I’ve never lived anywhere where it snows at all, and even I know you need decent pitch on a roof to prevent crippling amounts of snow sitting on top.

  53. Wolfheart
    Posted March 23, 2011 at 8:31 pm | Permalink

    Two Feathers:
    I must admit Winterfell is rather tricky to get used to. Can`t decide if I like those towers or not. It is certainly unique. I was also puzzled that there is no Wintertown outside the walls,and where is the Wolfswood? The whole setting just doesn`t say Winterfell in the far North to me, more like Strangeville in a temperate wasteland.

    Yes we should see the Wolfswood in the distance from some angle in a Winterfell shot. Maybe we haven’t seen that angle yet…

  54. Jordan Healey
    Posted March 23, 2011 at 8:35 pm | Permalink

    I’m more disappointed by there being no Winter Town than the roofs being like that, oh well.

  55. Villian
    Posted March 23, 2011 at 8:40 pm | Permalink

    Roofgate, HBO please fix this

  56. Lex
    Posted March 23, 2011 at 8:45 pm | Permalink

    Love them all. I really like the Red Keep (crazy tall towers!) and Baelor’s Sept in the King’s Landing photo.

    However, I’m not a big fan of the Winterfell rooftops, and I wish there was snow around the castle. Oh well!

  57. Wolfheart
    Posted March 23, 2011 at 8:47 pm | Permalink

    Two Feathers: ooking at the two Winterfell pics. for the last half hour, trying to like it, but it just aint happening. Those roofs are just wrong! Plus no Wintertown,plus no Wolfswood,plus no sign of the Kingsroad….surely there should be signs of a well worn trail,wagon tracks etc. I have never felt the need to be critical before but Jemma Jackson ( responsible from ground to sky) your Winterfell sucks!

      

    *nod* It is sad isn’t it.

  58. Abyss
    Posted March 23, 2011 at 8:51 pm | Permalink

    Villian,

    I did. in about five minutes. ;-) You see it`s all good now!
    Let´s make a game out of this! Who Can do I better fix? – Or let´s say a much better, this one looks like a crime. :-D
    - Don´t send me to the wall!

  59. Tar Kidho
    Posted March 23, 2011 at 8:54 pm | Permalink

    I looked around a bit at Scottish castles on this nice website and indeed, nowhere are there any roofy saucers to be found… I did find two castles with flat-roofed towers in northern Scotland:
    http://www.castlexplorer.co.uk/scotland/drum/drum.php
    http://www.castlexplorer.co.uk/scotland/fraser/fraser.php
    (nice sketch of the latter here)
    However, those structures definitely look far more solid than Winterfell’s Saucers….

    In general I’m really very pleased with the look of the show, but a few times I’ve had the impression the designers went too far in trying to create something artsy, where more realistic designs would have been far better. Having said that, if GRRM had mentioned somewhere in the books that the walls and roofs of Winterfell had been magically strengthened, I would have no problem whatsoever with the design. It looks weird for sure, but it IS fantasy. As said before, the presence of a city around the stronghold is much more important.

  60. Lex
    Posted March 23, 2011 at 8:55 pm | Permalink

    Oh, btw, I cracked and bought the new tie-in book with Ned on the throne today! It looked so cool sitting there on display in the bookstore, I couldn’t say no. I went with the trade paperback because the image quality was much better than the mass market paperback.

    Now I have three different versions of the first book (mmpb, trade paperback, hardcover) each with a different cover! :)

  61. Lina
    Posted March 23, 2011 at 8:56 pm | Permalink

    So the problem here is that the roofs…they’re basically not supporting the bottom. And that doesn’t fly with House Gatewatch. :/

  62. Tar Kidho
    Posted March 23, 2011 at 8:57 pm | Permalink

    Abyss: Villian,

    I did. in about five minutes. ;-)

    Haha, seeing Villain’s request to HBO I was just about to do something similar. I really should be off to bed now (2am…) but this is a very tempting challenge :-)

  63. Tar Kidho
    Posted March 23, 2011 at 8:59 pm | Permalink

    Lina:
    So the problem here is that the roofs…they’re basically not supporting the bottom.And that doesn’t fly with House Gatewatch.:/

    Actually some parts of roof are not supported by bottom, and I don’t know what situation is worse!

  64. SergioCQH
    Posted March 23, 2011 at 9:09 pm | Permalink

    Yeah, the Winterfell decision just feels wrong.

  65. Mike Chair
    Posted March 23, 2011 at 9:20 pm | Permalink

    Lina: So the problem here is that the roofs…they’re basically not supporting the bottom. And that doesn’t fly with House Gatewatch. :/

    I tried to come up with some reason for the roofs not supporting the bottom. I thought, maybe they’re not roofs at all. Maybe they’re just rings and the snow will fall right through. Then, I thought, maybe the CGI guys forgot to finish them or something. Then, I thought, screw it. I know a “gate” when I see one. And this, my friends, is Roofgate.

  66. Mike Chair
    Posted March 23, 2011 at 9:27 pm | Permalink

    I’d also like to say that the other photos (besides roofgate, discussed supra) are amazing.

    I immediately put The Wall as my desktop picture.

  67. GaR
    Posted March 23, 2011 at 9:28 pm | Permalink

    Mike Chair,

    Agreed. I can’t stop staring at the details in the King’s Landing one.

  68. Wolfheart
    Posted March 23, 2011 at 9:32 pm | Permalink

    I think HBO underestimated how such a ancient castle/fortress of one of the most beloved households in ASOIAF would be so scrutinized if they didn’t get it close to right…haha

  69. Tar Kidho
    Posted March 23, 2011 at 9:37 pm | Permalink

    Abyss,

    So here is my Winterfell fix (not perfect, but the best I could do before falling asleep on my keyboard):

    http://www.pbase.com/gbleek/image/133384667/large

    Anyone else want to play? ;-)

  70. Wolfheart
    Posted March 23, 2011 at 9:42 pm | Permalink

    Tar Kidho:
    Abyss,

    So here is my Winterfell fix (not perfect, but the best I could do before falling asleep on my keyboard):

    http://www.pbase.com/gbleek/image/133384667/large

    Anyone else want to play?

    NICE JOB! Tower roofs look great. Now if you can cut Winterfell off the ground , lift it about another 50 feet and extend the bottom of winterfell to touch the ground again. We’d be closer to description of height of the walls.

  71. Avalanche3319
    Posted March 23, 2011 at 9:44 pm | Permalink

    Mike Chair,

    I agree. These pictures are absolutely breathtaking. The CGI of the castles and Wall was one of my biggest worries about this series and these look far better than I ever hoped. Yeah Winterfell doesnt look perfect, but at least it doesnt look really fake or cheesy so I’m happy. And the Red Keep and Wall do look perfect.

  72. Mike Chair
    Posted March 23, 2011 at 9:45 pm | Permalink

    Tar Kidho,

    Yes! Now they’re finished.

    Tar Kdho is a CGI Maester.

    Only a Maester can support the bottom while capping the roof!

  73. GaR
    Posted March 23, 2011 at 9:53 pm | Permalink

    Tar Kidho,

    That’s more like it!

    Here are some photos of RL roofs that I think would be better than the Mos Eisley domes:

    Polygonal type:
    http://www.mtgroof.com/images/cfabb.jpg

    Round tile type:
    http://wildlifeweathervanesandcupolas.com/images/image28.jpg

    Funny hat type:
    http://static-p4.fotolia.com/jpg/00/02/12/05/400_F_2120592_DRSldI6cmREWKdw5F3C0WpdnRFYq9f.jpg

    I don’t know much in the way of architectural terminology, so sorry.

  74. Harry Hogg
    Posted March 23, 2011 at 10:03 pm | Permalink

    Looking at Winterfell those towers look more like they belong in the Middle East then somewhere they have snow in the summer. The design should be more like a Northern Europe Medieval style castle, be it Scottish or Russian. This is roofgate and it is kinda annoying but its a small detail all in all. Having no wintertown distracts from the realisim, yes I know its fantasy but still. Having no Wolfswood would pose some problems in terms of the story as correct me if I’m wrong but doesn’t Bran get attacked in those woods only to be saved by Robb?
    Onto the Kings Landing picture I also have some problems with it, mainly the fact that the Red Keep looks more like it belongs in the Vale. Ned also says that Winterfell was bigger then the Red Keep which looking at the two pictures does not give you that impression. Again someone correct me if I’m wrong. I always imagined the Red Keep to look like Edinburgh Castle but that’s just how I imagine it in my head.
    The Wall looks awesome though, like its made of ice which is the impression I got from the books.
    Anyway on the whole good job HBO, rant over.

  75. Mormegil
    Posted March 23, 2011 at 10:17 pm | Permalink

    Obviously the Winterfell Roofs are the Summer Roofs.

    The moment Winter is declared the Stark in Winterfell (which is why there always must be one) pulls a lever and conical roofs rise up to provide a way for the snow to fall down.

    If Bran the Builder can build a 700 foot walll of Ice a few mechinised roofs would be no problem ;)

  76. Ed
    Posted March 23, 2011 at 10:20 pm | Permalink

    Not bad!!!

    Tar Kidho:
    Abyss,

    So here is my Winterfell fix (not perfect, but the best I could do before falling asleep on my keyboard):

    http://www.pbase.com/gbleek/image/133384667/large

    Anyone else want to play?

  77. Mormegil
    Posted March 23, 2011 at 10:23 pm | Permalink

    Harry Hogg: Having no Wolfswood would pose some problems in terms of the story as correct me if I’m wrong, but doesn’t Bran get attacked in those woods only to be saved by Robb?

    We’ve seen glimpses of the attack in the Wolfswood so it is in the show, theres no reason the wood needs to be right on the castle doorstep though. It could easily be a mile away on the other side of the castle.

  78. Lina
    Posted March 23, 2011 at 10:27 pm | Permalink

    Tar Kidho: Actually some parts of roof are not supported by bottom, and I don’t know what situation is worse!

    Hahaha all sorts of bottoms aren’t supported. Nice job with the picture though- more like what I imagined!

  79. Abyss
    Posted March 23, 2011 at 10:30 pm | Permalink

    Tar Kidho,

    Much better then mine 5 min fix! – But you forgot one roof, so the “gate” is not eliminated. Nevertheless, this is the way it should be done. *wink to HBO*

  80. Steve Hugh Westenra
    Posted March 23, 2011 at 10:57 pm | Permalink

    Lina:
    So the problem here is that the roofs…they’re basically not supporting the bottom.And that doesn’t fly with House Gatewatch.:/

    THIS. XD

    The CGI looks awesome though, but like everyone else I feel like the Winterfell roofs are a bit of a problem. The CGI ones also look out of place with the real walls. Very peculiar. o.0

    The Red Keep doesn’t look how I pictured it (I never saw it as tall, apart from being on a hill). I always visualized it as more squat and rough. That said, the whole look they’ ve gone with for King’s Landing is different from what I saw in my head. I still really like it though– it certainly has a majesty and a beauty to it and the shot itself is breathtaking to look at.

    Like most people, I’m still dying for a shot of The Eyrie, which to me is probably the most fantastic of the castles (I feel like King’s Landing is channeling some of that here).

    Perhaps some of their problems with Winterfell is that they’re trying too hard to make each of the castles individually spectacular and magical and different looking, when a lot of the character of them in the books comes not from their unrealistic elements, but from more subtle differences is material and functionality.

  81. Brude
    Posted March 23, 2011 at 11:00 pm | Permalink

    Mormegil: Blackwater

    I brought that up over at Westeros.org. It all depends if that water in front of the walls is the Blackwater or not. If it is, then the image is either backwards or they rendered it all backwards. If they just changed the shape of the city of King’s Landing some, and that’s just some sort of inlet and we’re looking at the city from the other side, then it’s fine.

    Another possibility that just occurred to me, maybe King’s Landing is built on an island in the mouth of the Blackwater for the series. Then it would have the river on both sides. Not canon, but it would make sense, at least.

  82. Jarmel
    Posted March 23, 2011 at 11:02 pm | Permalink

    KL is great but where’s the town around Winterfell? That is much more of an issue than how steep the roofs are.

  83. Justin Walsh
    Posted March 23, 2011 at 11:05 pm | Permalink

    I see some people have mentioned no winter town. Maybe thats a view of the Hunter’s gate and that is why we don’t see the winter town.

  84. Kelvor
    Posted March 23, 2011 at 11:27 pm | Permalink

    While I originally agreed with the above posters about “roofgate” I have now reconsidered. Two points:
    1 – Look closely at the roofs in the hi-res version. As was pointed out to me by my girlfriend, the top parts of the curved roofs are getting cut off by the sunlight glare. The tops look fuzzy, and you can see similar rounding on the tops of the square towers.
    2 – If you assume that the roofs are actually higher in the centre, the slope isn’t that bad. Building code for some northerly areas in the United States and Canada only require a slope of 26.5 degrees, or slightly more than 15 cm rise over 30 cm. (The measures were given in Imperial, but I’m Canadian.) Wikipedia Roof Pitch
    3 – The requirement for steeped sloped roofs in heavy snowfall is actually a misconception, rounded top roofs like that would work perfectly well for heavy snowfall. Check out the 6th page of this article from the Canadian Journal of Civil Engineering.
    Journal Article on Rounded Roofs
    The bottom row of recommended round roofs for good snowfall protection on the 6th page looks a lot like Winterfell to me, its just not what we expect because us fantasy fans are used to castles that look like they are from Germany, with the steep sloped roofs. I guess we can see how good an engineer Bran the Builder was!

  85. Wolfheart
    Posted March 23, 2011 at 11:46 pm | Permalink

    Can anyone spot the Dragonpit with its broken down roof in KL shot?

    Would have been nice to see the second wall around Winterfell in the HBO depiction.

    This is a good depiction:
    http://guillemhp.deviantart.com/art/The-Winterfell-88243140

  86. Lord Ned's Head
    Posted March 24, 2011 at 12:03 am | Permalink

    King’s Landing and the Wall look about as perfect as can be! Ill admit Winterfell stumped me at first, but then as I got to thinking about it, it kind of might make sense that a place built by Bran the Builder (and later added to by others who would probably want to pay homage to him) would have a certain unique quality to it. I hardly think Bran would have gotten his handle if he buol regular looking stuff. We all know that from a functional standpoint that Bran’s structures are rumored to have mystical qualities to them. Why not show a little fancy in thier aeshetic values to?
    Also, not sure if this has been mentioned, but in the high res shot of Winterfell, it almost loos like there are roped in catwalks around alot of the towers. I’m not sure if that is actually what they are, but if so, then it A) gives a little more purpose to the form and B) is an innovation worthy of Bran. How cool!

  87. Lord Ned's Head
    Posted March 24, 2011 at 12:07 am | Permalink

    Can any of the more computer-savy out there take the shots of KL and Winterfell and do a point by point map of the relevant structures shown? Kind of like the maps you see of the different habitats in zoos and museums?

  88. Mark
    Posted March 24, 2011 at 12:35 am | Permalink

    Lord Ned’s Head,

    those catwalks are actually wood and are called “hoardings.” The are wooden structures built on walls or towers to allow defenders to drop crap on attackers. Doesn’t make much sense on interior strctures, but it gives an interesting look.

  89. Mark
    Posted March 24, 2011 at 12:39 am | Permalink

    Lars,

    Ha! I thought the same thing about Minas Tirith! What do those people eat?! It immediately jolted me out the movie

  90. paulgude
    Posted March 24, 2011 at 12:54 am | Permalink

    Kelvor,

    Great sleuthing on that.

  91. Lex
    Posted March 24, 2011 at 1:15 am | Permalink

    Kelvor,

    Very interesting!

  92. Jarmel
    Posted March 24, 2011 at 1:33 am | Permalink

    I think the Red Keep has a similar style roofing as Winterfell. Some of the higher towers have that similar style roof. So maybe it’s supposed to be a style specifically for Westeros? Possibly to separate itself from regular fantasy works?

  93. Kana
    Posted March 24, 2011 at 1:37 am | Permalink

    I agree that Winterfell looks rather odd. The towers just don’t seem to fit in with the look of the rest of the keep. On the other hand, remember that Westeros does NOT follow modern building code. Spires, and especially domes, can be challenging to build, especially on top of round towers like that. Sometimes you just had to build a shitty roof, and when it falls in, you build a new one. What I actually dislike more than that is the blue-ish paint on the roofs and towers, which seems awfully advanced for a place like Winterfell. I could be wrong, but I don’t think blue paint was at all common through anything near the medieval period…

    One little detail that I appreciated in the King’s Landing picture: all the various boats are lateen rigged, which was really common in the Mediterranean and middle east for thousands of years. Lots of fantasy story boats are 3-masted, squre-rigged ships, and would look right at home in Nelson’s navy if they just cut a few gun holes, and utilizing technology centuries ahead of anything else in that universe. It’s a pet peeve that’s nice to see they avoided.

  94. obsidian
    Posted March 24, 2011 at 2:33 am | Permalink

    Kelvor,

    That’s interesting stuff on the roof question, and I’m thinking that combined with the heated walls , and heat naturally rising inside the buildings , it could be enough to take care of the snow problems. Doesn’t Sansa tell Littlefinger that inside Winterfell, it’s always warm as a summer day ?( Something like that) I guess they’d be kept busy clearing snow from the roof of the glass gardens , but they must have been able to keep on top of it through the hard times , because Winterfell is still there. :)

  95. Andrea Burgos Prieto
    Posted March 24, 2011 at 3:14 am | Permalink

    M.Martell,

    Agreed!! It’s fantastic!! I will have to pay a visit to Riverrun… I mean to the Alcazar of Segovia…

  96. Tar Kidho
    Posted March 24, 2011 at 3:52 am | Permalink

    Thanks to those who liked my feeble attempt at CGI – I see it as the greatest of honours to have been called a CGI Maester :-)

    Abyss: Tar Kidho,

    Much better then mine 5 min fix! – But you forgot one roof, so the “gate” is not eliminated.

    Huh, you’re absolutely right, how did I miss that one roof?? :-) Shows that one should always be well rested before doing anything, and I have to say that after going to sleep at 3am I feel like today will not be a good day either for anything involving my grey matter…
    Kelvor,

    How could we ever doubt Bran the Builder?? Always suport the bottom!!!

  97. Dario
    Posted March 24, 2011 at 4:22 am | Permalink

    In my mind, Wintwrfell was different (not so “fantasy”), but I will like it as all the rest of the show ;-)
    Many, many thanks, HBO! I only hope to see it here in Italy (anyway, I will buy the original DVD box)…

  98. clemintine
    Posted March 24, 2011 at 5:18 am | Permalink

    *Love* KL, the Wall, and the Godswood within Winterfell.

    Winterfell itself, I’m not much a fan of.

    Tar Kidho: I looked around a bit at Scottish castles on this nice website and indeed, nowhere are there any roofy saucers to be found… I did find two castles with flat-roofed towers in northern Scotland:
    http://www.castlexplorer.co.uk/scotland/drum/drum.php
    http://www.castlexplorer.co.uk/scotland/fraser/fraser.php
    (nice sketch of the latter here)
    However, those structures definitely look far more solid than Winterfell’s Saucers….

    Aside from the flying saucers not being able to hold up the snow (ok, so they fall within the building codes of Canada, but remember that it is supposed to withstand decades of winter, enough to make Canada look tropical!), Winterfell doesn’t look as fit as it should be for warfare! Those castles look nicer than Winterfell Tar Kidho, but they also look more like pleasure palaces than something that would stand up in battle. I always pictured Winterfell to be like a giant fortress out of the Dark Ages, solid and ugly and ready to take anything thrown at it in siege warfare. Much like Caernarfon in Wales, only bigger because it’s fantasy. This Winterfell looks like it’ll crumble at the first boulder thrown its way. Those roofs are too fancy; Winterfell should be only topped by battlements! Yeah, can’t please everyone, but when it comes to Winterfell I think they messed up big time. We are not amused.

  99. aschen heaven
    Posted March 24, 2011 at 5:28 am | Permalink

    King’s Landing is suitably EPIC. I can’t stop staring at it! 8D

    The Wall looks majestic and imposing and beautiful. It’s so pristine-looking…makes for a nice contrast with the rundown castles of the Night’s Watch. XP

    As for Winterfell…practicality of Roofgate aside, I think it looks beautiful. I guess I appreciated the staff’s efforts to make each castle different. And I’m buying Kelvor’s research. It’s Bran the Builder – if he can make a 700-ft wall of ice and make hot spring waters warm an entire building, then maybe he can make a flat-roofed castle work in a winter wonderland. Or if the flat roofs were features added by his descendants…I guess they’ll have a very good reason why, or some later descendant would make the effort to change those roofs fast. 8D

    (I like Mormegil’s ‘mechanized roofs’ scenario too. Bran the Builder was the most badass engineer ever. XDD)

  100. wrath-of-math
    Posted March 24, 2011 at 5:37 am | Permalink

    Kana: What I actually dislike more than that is the blue-ish paint on the roofs and towers, which seems awfully advanced for a place like Winterfell. I could be wrong, but I don’t think blue paint was at all common through anything near the medieval period…

    I think the blue-ish stuff on the roofs isn’t paint, but slate.

  101. Tywin's Bastard
    Posted March 24, 2011 at 5:55 am | Permalink

    The roofs aren’t practical but I think people are overreacting to how impractical they might be. The tops seem to be made out of metal, and convex shaped so it would be pretty strong. With a strong foundation under that it could probably hold quite a lot, plus that you have the issue of the warm water running through it. That water should indicate that the keep still has protective magic since otherwise that water would have eroded the walls in time.

    I have a summer house where the terrace has about as flat of a roof, plus that it has windows. There’s been a meter of snow on that without any problems whatsoever, even for the windows, while I know other flatter roofs even caved in during the same time. The Winterfell roofs are far sturdier and further up so snow is less likely to stay on due to winds.

    So while it could certainly have been more practical I don’t see a reason to just go “that would definitely break in in winter”.

    As for the keeps size, I never got the impression that it’s buildings were that great but that it was rather the area the outer walls covered that made it huge.

  102. James
    Posted March 24, 2011 at 6:16 am | Permalink

    I just watched the scene where they find the dire wolfs! It was great! Its on Comcast ondemand under the Tops Picks. Just wanted to let everybody know that, I’m sure it will be on here in a few hours.

  103. Luana
    Posted March 24, 2011 at 6:32 am | Permalink

    Winterfell doesn’t look like a functional Northern castle with those bizarre saucer roofs. Roofgate indeed.

  104. sjwenings
    Posted March 24, 2011 at 6:33 am | Permalink

    James,

    Probably not. New clips have been up there for a few days, but noone has been able or willing to upload them. Sucks.

  105. Genghis
    Posted March 24, 2011 at 6:44 am | Permalink

    I don’t like the Winterfell roofs… They are not necessary unrealistic (since Winterfell supposedly has hot water through its walls), but it’s just not aesthetically good looking.

    :(

    The Wall looks awesome.

  106. Martin
    Posted March 24, 2011 at 6:47 am | Permalink

    OK, been confined to bed for a few days with chest infection and flu, only to see the avalanche of material that has appeared – including these shots (my fav images to date – but that’s more to do with my interest and background).

    On Winterfell, a couple of things…

    Firstly, knowing Castle Ward very well (it’s where they filmed the courtyard, gateway shots) its very interesting to see the details that they have picked up from the real castle and then used in the CGI version. Particularly the keep and crenallations.

    The low dome roofs also looked a little out of place to begin with – I am warming to them. I’m trying to get my head around what would be a good idea for perma-snow that would hang around for years. Regarding strength, any stone vaulting below that roof would do a pretty good job of holding up layers of snow – the floors lower down are also slightly larger so would help butress any lateral forces. Obviously a wooden structure + copper roof would not be good at that low pitch.

    One thing that I think has been overlooked – Bran the Builder was a genius at construction able to achieve spectacular things, there are also magical glyphs and wards at work in the construction of Winterfell – so there is the neat fantasy side stepping of reality when it comes to some of the structural aspects.

    Any castle that has any serious defensive intent would clear forests and woods from hundreds of metres from it’s walls – so I always saw the wolfswood as further away, therefore not a problem.

    Overall – Winterfell does look a little odd, but I’m more than happy to go with it.

  107. Bobben
    Posted March 24, 2011 at 7:11 am | Permalink

    Be honest here. The reason most people have a hard time grasping this “new” Winterfell look is the fact the art department has done something fairly different and original with the stronghold, rather than just making it a northern Europe medieval stronghold stylish thingie, which was what most (if not all) of us readers had printed in our minds when we first read A Game of Thrones. Do we really need to canalize our initial surpise into a rant about spaceships and rooftops and whatnot? Its fantasy, not an architect program on the Discovery channel. Try to imagine, as someone already pointed out, spells and runes woven into the fabric of the stone wall, making snow only an minor nuisance. By the way,wasnt the wall, the most unlikely structure in Westeros, built in a similar fashion? I dont hear any of you nagging about the unrealistic proportions of that one.

  108. Cutter Allen Kilgore
    Posted March 24, 2011 at 7:12 am | Permalink

    Not sure where else to post this…Has anyone else noticed the brand new scene posted on Game of Thrones ON DEMAND?? The direwolf finding scene in its entirety is available to watch. It’s about 3 minutes, only, but that makes it the longest uncut scene to be released so far. People with Comcast on demand really should check it out.

  109. Slynt
    Posted March 24, 2011 at 7:21 am | Permalink

    Roofgate, here I come. Echoing others, Winterfell is a dissapointment. The look is weird, indeed alien, and surrounded by .. nothing but flatlands? It doesn’t make sense from the descriptions but also it doesn’t make sense to build a castle out in the middle of nowhere.

    These artists’ interpretations are all much, much closer to Martin’s Winterfell:

    http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_JjTZojojDPI/SvDEaO8TlQI/AAAAAAAAAoM/zHShrb70g0g/s400/ned-robert+at+winterfell.jpg

    http://fc03.deviantart.net/fs28/f/2008/162/a/6/The_Winterfell_by_guillemhp.jpg

    http://www.tednasmith.com/other/TN-Winterfell.jpg

  110. OKENO
    Posted March 24, 2011 at 7:31 am | Permalink

    People… I think you’re getting to caught up in minor details…

    As of right now, GoT is looking like it’s going to be roughly 1000 times better than it COULD have been.

    This show/material could have EASILY been butchered. And frankly, I’m almost shocked it wasn’t.

    Will GoT be perfect? No. Is it going to be much better than any of us had any right to expect (given the vast majority of shit shown on tv)… yes! So calm down :P

  111. Tywin's Bastard
    Posted March 24, 2011 at 7:35 am | Permalink

    Slynt,

    Why doesn’t it make sense to build a castle in the middle of nowhere? Often the castle is built first and then a town emerges around it (they could be having the winter town a bit further from the castle). The books state exactly that about the Red Keep and King’s Landing.

  112. OKENO
    Posted March 24, 2011 at 7:36 am | Permalink

    Further to my point… someone here mentioned the Camelot trailer… I just looked it up.

    WOW that show looks like shit… count your lucky stars GoT didn’t turn into that.

  113. Tywin's Bastard
    Posted March 24, 2011 at 7:40 am | Permalink

    OKENO,

    There will always be very vocal voices for the negative sides (although there hasn’t been too much of that here) so unfortunately that’s something we have to endure. People handle things differently. I personally try to focus on the positives and perhaps a positive view on the less good things because that will make me happier and enjoy it more. I’m not that happy when I’m annoyed.

  114. OKENO
    Posted March 24, 2011 at 7:41 am | Permalink

    Good point! From a realism standpoint, The Wall is completely ridiculous. But it’s fantasy, and it’s awesome, and we all love it.

    It reminds me of friends who flipped out about the black hole time travel stuff in the newest Star Trek… they had NO problem with interstellar travel, light speed travel, teleportation, alien races (that all look roughly human btw)… but black hole time travel?! That’s going too far!

    Bobben:
    By the way,wasnt the wall, the most unlikely structure in Westeros, built in a similar fashion? I dont hear any of you nagging about the unrealistic proportions of that one.

  115. Jarmel
    Posted March 24, 2011 at 8:02 am | Permalink

    Slynt,

    I agree those are closer to the description in the books, but what are we going to do? Honestly it’s quite late to change anything so we’re just going to have to deal with it. The lack of a town though is disturbing unless it’s on the other side.

    @OKENKO
    I would rather be too critical than not enough. All we have right now is scraps of info so why not dissect those? Any show can be better, so I feel constructive criticism is infinitely better than just raving that the show is the best ever. Once the first episode airs, then we’ll have the serious discussion about acting, plot-lines, and directing. Honestly other than the trolls, I haven’t really seen anybody say the show is going to outright suck.

  116. Shinyteapot
    Posted March 24, 2011 at 8:08 am | Permalink

    OKENO,

    To a certain extent, there is an explanation for this sort of thing. If something is assumed to involve new science/technology far beyond our grasp/magic (in fantasy, not so much sci-fi!) etc, it’s accepted- particularly if it’s the vital premise behind that story working. Suspension of disbelief. If something we are fairly sure we know about and the writers do something that wouldn’t work, or get basic science wrong, especially if there were many other ways to achieve that plot point that weren’t massively wrong, it annoys.

    Of course different things push different people’s buttons. I have a housemate who ridiculed me for shouting at some very bad science, but who has managed to go on for months about how a computer game got a flag wrong.

    It can pull you out of a story despite best efforts otherwise.

    Back on topic- I don’t like Winterfell’s roofs. It won’t spoil the show, won’t stop me watching, but I’d have preferred something more realistic. In real castles that I’ve seen, the only flat roofs are made for walking on- and some unfortunate guards would have had to shovel the snow off them if it got too thick! I don’t see any walls around Winterfell’s flat round roofs, so it seems not to be the case here.

    The Ted Nasmith version is brilliant :)

  117. Amok
    Posted March 24, 2011 at 8:13 am | Permalink

    Awesome pictures.

    No problem with Kings Landing or Winterfell, it’s not medieval Europe, remember? No reason why the architecture should even resemble anything wrong that time period.

    I am a bit unhappy about the wall however. They obviously used pictures from glaciers for the texture which gives it a very natural look and not at all man-made. The wall is supposed to be made from huge blocks of ice, not one massive piece of it.

  118. Steve the Pirate
    Posted March 24, 2011 at 8:25 am | Permalink

    Yes, I think people are forgetting this is a fantasy. If it’s not quite how you pictured, that’s because you imagined it as a plain medieval castle and forgot you weren’t actually reading a book about that era. There may have been no blue paint in the medieval age here, but who knows, in Westeros.

  119. Ewa Nowak
    Posted March 24, 2011 at 8:42 am | Permalink

    I already knew I’m going to be watching this show for the laughs, but looking at those flying saucers that landed in Winterfell, makes me think that I’ll be laughing even harder that I thought.

    King’s Landing does look really neat though.

  120. Zack
    Posted March 24, 2011 at 8:42 am | Permalink

    They could do literally anything and some people wouldn’t be disappointed (if they can be critical of us, I can be critical of them). People will explain anything ludicrous away as “It’s fantasy” because they don’t want to accept that maybe somebody just screwed up.

    Is it a big deal? Probably not. And from all available evidence, they’ve hit much more often than they’ve missed. But you can’t get upset when people point out the misses.

  121. OhDanyBoy
    Posted March 24, 2011 at 8:54 am | Permalink

    Amok,

    At first I thought this too, but over the course of 8000 years, slices of ice would shear off (as seen in the Jon et al climb the wall scene) and wind would erode the wall (not too deeply, of course, due to the protective magics), causing that ‘natural’ weathered ice look we see here.

  122. OhDanyBoy
    Posted March 24, 2011 at 8:57 am | Permalink

    Zack,

    If you are referring to the practicality of the tower roofs, its been shown on several practical levels to be absolutely realistic. And then people make the astute point that there will be some suspension of disbelief for this story to occur anyway, so even if they had to accept an unrealistic roof design (which they don’t), they would. Not seeing where your problem is with this.

  123. Hollyoak
    Posted March 24, 2011 at 8:59 am | Permalink

    Cutter Allen Kilgore:
    Not sure where else to post this…Has anyone else noticed the brand new scene posted on Game of Thrones ON DEMAND??The direwolf finding scene in its entirety is available to watch. It’s about 3 minutes, only, but that makes it the longest uncut scene to be released so far.People with Comcast on demand really should check it out.

    Wow, I was raving about the On Demand stuff yesterday. I haven’t seen this one yet. As soon as I get out of this cafe I am going home to watch!

  124. jdp13
    Posted March 24, 2011 at 9:02 am | Permalink

    I agree with most here about Winterfell. I don’t love the “saucers”. Honestly I didn’t even know that was Winterfell when I first saw it. I guess in my mind I picture it more like Nasmith’s painting with the pointed peaks and so on.

    Having said that, the CGI quality looks great. Just don’t love their depiction of Winterfell.

  125. Lina
    Posted March 24, 2011 at 9:10 am | Permalink

    About Winterfell/Roofgate/etc., I have to say, while the flat roofs aren’t what I imagined, and while I don’t necessarily LIKE them, I can accept them. I really like what a few of you said about Bran the Builder’s genius and the possible incorporation of magic into the castle’s construction. And I do appreciate that HBO is taking chances and trying to make the landscapes diverse. We may not end up liking every choice they make, but it’s much more creative and interesting than if they just gave us cookie-cutter castles.

    Slynt:
    Roofgate, here I come. Echoing others, Winterfell is a dissapointment. The look is weird, indeed alien, and surrounded by .. nothing but flatlands? It doesn’t make sense from the descriptions but also it doesn’t make sense to build a castle out in the middle of nowhere.

    These artists’ interpretations are all much, much closer to Martin’s Winterfell:

    http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_JjTZojojDPI/SvDEaO8TlQI/AAAAAAAAAoM/zHShrb70g0g/s400/ned-robert+at+winterfell.jpg

    http://fc03.deviantart.net/fs28/f/2008/162/a/6/The_Winterfell_by_guillemhp.jpg

    http://www.tednasmith.com/other/TN-Winterfell.jpg

    These links that Slynt posted are much more like what I imagined Winterfell to be (mostly the Ned/Robert one). I didn’t imagine the Northern German paneled houses though…those are a bit too directly ripped from fairy tales for GRRM’s world I think.

    Eyrie! Eyrie!

    Ok I’m getting ahead of myself and just assuming that we’ll get all the seasons we want, but since we’re talking about castles and locales, why not: I can’t wait to see what they do with Pyke (Iron Islands in general actually), Dragonstone, and….the Titan of Braavos!!

  126. Lord Willum
    Posted March 24, 2011 at 9:19 am | Permalink

    Love the look of KL and the Wall, no real qualms or quibbles

    As for Winterfell, agree somewhat on the odd rooves but can get past it, just want to give my tuppeny’s worth on the size/scale – GRRM did describe Winterfell as more sizeable than Red Keep, but dare I say it, that in a lot of ways that’s unusual/unlikely/unrealistic

    Red Keep (and pretty much all KL) built within last 300yrs, Winterfell millenia before – what would be considered a huge and imposing castle would have changed massively over such a long time scale, not to mention huge advancements in terms of ‘non-Brandon-the-Builder-magic-free’ architectural skill

    Real life e.g – image search/google Berkhamsted Castle (sorry, rubbish with posting links etc.) built c.1000 yrs ago, was a favoured royal residence, and by the standards of the times, a grand and impressive castle, yet its not huge by modern standards, and would have had 3 or 4 floors at most. Look at some other royal castles dating from a few centuries later, and they’ve much more impressive size/scale/construction

    End of the day, where here or Westeros, people always want things to get bigger and better, no? :-)

  127. Knurk
    Posted March 24, 2011 at 9:20 am | Permalink

    For the Littlefinger video you can go to Itunes.

  128. Chris77
    Posted March 24, 2011 at 9:25 am | Permalink

    New artisans video is up….

  129. Hear Me Roar
    Posted March 24, 2011 at 9:29 am | Permalink

    Knurk,

    So noted. And tweeted earlier … can anyone put that one on YouTube? appreciated!

  130. Knurk
    Posted March 24, 2011 at 9:32 am | Permalink

    Uploaded the video on youtube.

  131. Knurk
    Posted March 24, 2011 at 9:36 am | Permalink

    And don’t forget to check out the new artisansvideo HBO snuck under our noses.

  132. Hear Me Roar
    Posted March 24, 2011 at 9:38 am | Permalink

    Knurk,

    Heel erg bedankt!

    P.S. The artisans are already embedded in the draft post ;) coming up!

  133. Jéssica De Freitas Maciel
    Posted March 24, 2011 at 9:46 am | Permalink

    Hear Me Roar:
    Knurk,

    So noted. And tweeted earlier … can anyone put that one on YouTube? appreciated!

    I second that! besides, the mother direwolf scene, and the costumes videos aaand the longer stark one please =D

  134. Hollyoak
    Posted March 24, 2011 at 9:47 am | Permalink

    Hollyoak: Wow, I was raving about the On Demand stuff yesterday. I haven’t seen this one yet. As soon as I get out of this cafe I am going home to watch!

    I can’t find it. What is the name of the feature that shows direwolves? Thanks.

  135. Jéssica De Freitas Maciel
    Posted March 24, 2011 at 9:50 am | Permalink

    Knurk,

    thank you for the youtube link

  136. Tywin's Bastard
    Posted March 24, 2011 at 9:51 am | Permalink

    Knurk,

    Thanks for putting it on the tube. Nothing indicates that Littlefinger will be anything short of great in this show. One of my absolute favorite castings.

    Another little shot of Varys speaking as well, which pleases me.

  137. Zack
    Posted March 24, 2011 at 10:02 am | Permalink

    OhDanyBoy,

    Of course people will work to get past it. Some are just asking why, in this case, they should need to, when incorporating more practical roofing would have been an easy choice. People who have wintery winters, lots of snowfall, such as Wisconsin…when watching the show, are going to think, “None of the roofs around here look like that. It looks like it couldn’t handle any snow.” It will take people out of the show, even if only briefly. Guaranteed. Why would they want that?

    I recall one of the teaser trailers with the Old Nan voiceover, where she said “Fear is for the long night, when snow falls a hundred feet deep” or something similar. Especially in a fantasy realm where such a thing is possible (maybe not the norm, but not unheard of either) roof design is pretty important. And all the research I’ve seen (as well as common sense) points to the idea that the more severe a snow or rainstorm the buildings will be subjected to, the steeper the roof incline should be.

    If folks want to explain away poor design choices as “fantasy,” that’s certainly their prerogative. But being annoyed at people applying logic…pretty silly. This world is comparatively more grounded in reality than so many other “fantasy” worlds.

  138. Ax0r
    Posted March 24, 2011 at 10:03 am | Permalink

    Amok:
    Awesome pictures.

    No problem with Kings Landing or Winterfell, it’s not medieval Europe, remember? No reason why the architecture should even resemble anything wrong that time period.

    I am a bit unhappy about the wall however. They obviously used pictures from glaciers for the texture which gives it a very natural look and not at all man-made. The wall is supposed to be made from huge blocks of ice, not one massive piece of it.

    Perhaps originally it was made from huge blocks of ice. Remember it’s 8000 years old. It’s described in the novels as weeping during summer (which would presumably refreeze, creating an irregular surface), and there’d obviously be large snowdrifts during winter.
    Add to that the fact that with the exception of the original construction, increasing the height of the wall has been the domain of normal men, packing rocks and snow in alternate layers on top to keep it climbing higher.

    No way would it look smooth

  139. Tywin's Bastard
    Posted March 24, 2011 at 10:36 am | Permalink

    Zack,

    If the snow falls 100′ deep I don’t understand why someone asks “how will the roof hold” instead of “how could anyone survive that” or “why does the castle look like a regular castle and not a structure that would fit in such extreme environments”.

    It’s fine to think some things aren’t correct but often those complaints are about things that are less odd than more foundational issues.

  140. Lord Ned's Head
    Posted March 24, 2011 at 10:43 am | Permalink

    Slynt,

    I jut wanted to point out that Winterfell’s location was chosen very specifically. Its built upon hotsprings. These hotsprings, along with Bran the Builder’s ingenuity are two reason’s that the design concept for WF is…warming to me.

    As for the lack of trees, I’m thinking that having the castle situated in the middle of the forest would a less than perfect real estate decision from a military standpoint. Trees make excellent cover for enemies. If Winter is coming, then I for one would prefer to be able to see it coming lol.

  141. Amok
    Posted March 24, 2011 at 10:47 am | Permalink

    In any case, I have no issues with the design. The story is way, way more important.

    Seeing how people are nitpicking about the proper roof angel on Winterfell’s towers is actually quite amusing. Once the show is running I don’t think anyone will think about it anymore.

  142. Hear Me Roar
    Posted March 24, 2011 at 10:51 am | Permalink

    Amok,

    That’s the beauty of our gate culture here. I take it lightly. Amusing stuff, for the most part.

  143. Lord Ned's Head
    Posted March 24, 2011 at 10:52 am | Permalink

    btw, my outdoor spa has a flat top. When it snows on the spa, the heat from the spa melts the snow before it has a chance to accumulate. I don’t know how deep they went into thinking about the construction of WF, but this is a very plausible reason why the roofs might not be more angled. Instead of taking someone out of the show, maybe its intended to make you think about why it looks unexpected and then realise that in fact, the shape of the roofs makes more sense than we first surmised. If the roof is hot enough to melt snow, then saving construction and maintenence costs on those high-angled beauties would be a logical choice. I just wish they’s hire Bran the Builder for Extreme Home Makeover!

  144. Zack
    Posted March 24, 2011 at 11:01 am | Permalink

    Tywin’s Bastard,

    Yeah, those are good points too. :) But that’s where I would be more easily able to accept “To better withstand heavy snow, Bran the Builder strategically built Winterfell over hot springs, piping hot water through the walls and to the roof, took the ideal roof designs and imbued them with load-bearing magic.” Cause suspending disbelief then is only half as much work, when you don’t have to add those things with roofs that by design would accumulate significant snow in a heavy storm.

    As to your point about the nitpicks being misplaced, perhaps. I’m not sure the 100′ of snow line is to be taken literally anyway. The best storytellers exaggerate, and Nan is a masterful weaver of tales. Even if snowdrifts only reach half of what she said there, or a third, the point is that it sees a lot of snow.

    Suspension of disbelief is a good thing, and necessary. They need to be willing to help us to a degree, though. IMO.

  145. Tywin's Bastard
    Posted March 24, 2011 at 11:19 am | Permalink

    Zack,

    I don’t think the 100′ is meant to be taken literary either.

    As for them needing to help us, I’d say that they’ve done far more to make the show look good than just “to a degree”. We’re just looking at every single thing, finding the weakest link and complain about that in detail while often brushing over the good parts with a general comment. Designing sets and props must be quite unrewarding in some cases. :)

  146. OKENO
    Posted March 24, 2011 at 11:23 am | Permalink

    I feel constructive criticism is infinitely better than just raving that the show is the best ever.

    Not to be a jerk, but how is what you’re saying “constructive criticism”? It’s not as if the vfx department is going to read the comments here and be like “you know what, we screwed up, lets change that 3 weeks before the show airs”.

    And sure, people are free to say what they like. And I agree… I don’t like the roof design either. It’s neither practical nor aesthetically pleasing. Having said that, I’ll just let it slide, cause a) in the grand scheme of things it means nothing.. and b) they look to be getting most things right.

    Of course, at this point, I know for a lot of people it’s just something to talk about… as we dissect every little GoT morsel we can get our hands out. But others seems genuinely pissed about it. :P

  147. Bro
    Posted March 24, 2011 at 12:47 pm | Permalink

    Just gorgeous. I do admit that Winterfell is not what I imagined it to look like but I’ll go with the flow.

  148. John
    Posted March 24, 2011 at 1:40 pm | Permalink

    As someone who’s previously been quick to shoot down those who complain about sets/makeup on this show, Winterfell is my first major disappointment. It feels like the design team have done everything within their power to avoid Anglo-French architecture. Now with King’s Landing, that works, but with Winterfell – it simply doesn’t. Google Carcassonne and you’ll see the sort of thing I imagined for Winterfell, and tell me that wouldn’t have been better?

    As it is, that’s just one feature I’m going to have to put up with even thought it’ll ruin my immersion each time I look at it – I hope there won’t be too many landscape shots on Winterfell!

  149. loco73
    Posted March 24, 2011 at 2:55 pm | Permalink

    Outstanding!!!! I was looking to change my wallpaper…I have had Tolkien’s “The Children OF Hurin” cover art for the past 3 years plus as my wallpaper and wanted something else. I looked Marc Simonetti’s illustration of The Wall but it not really fit on the screen as a wallpaper.

    However these landscapes from the series more than make up for that. The quality is simply great. I had a hard time deciding which one to use. It is hard to believe that this level of quality will be on a TV series…wow! I mean these landscapes stand up to anything from Peter Jackson’s LOTR trilogy, any of the Potter movies, not to mention the Star Wars saga or Ridley Scott’s “Kingdom Of Heaven”. They certainly enforce what I expected from HBO, after gems like “ROME”, “John Adams”, “The Pacific” and “Band Of Brothers” which also feature some vistas that have always impressed me to no end.

    Finally I decided on the one with The Wall, though I will probably alternate with King’s Landing. My choice was also precipitated by the fact that winter made an unexpected return to parts of Canada, and The Wall just seemed so appropiate.

  150. Mike V
    Posted March 24, 2011 at 2:58 pm | Permalink

    Tyrion’s chain is going to look badass coming out of that harbor!

  151. Wolfheart
    Posted March 24, 2011 at 3:21 pm | Permalink

    John:
    As someone who’s previously been quick to shoot down those who complain about sets/makeup on this show, Winterfell is my first major disappointment. It feels like the design team have done everything within their power to avoid Anglo-French architecture. Now with King’s Landing, that works, but with Winterfell – it simply doesn’t. Google Carcassonne and you’ll see the sort of thing I imagined for Winterfell, and tell me that wouldn’t have been better?

    As it is, that’s just one feature I’m going to have to put up with even thought it’ll ruin my immersion each time I look at it – I hope there won’t be too many landscape shots on Winterfell!

    I also pictured Winterfell kinda like a mix of Carcassonne and northern european fortress castles. No pleasure palaces. I know someone had posted a link to a document on roof shapes for snow and rain. But I noticed it is outdated. It was a 1980′s document. *shrug* But I point out that I havent seen ANY castles or fortresses with towers in areas of decent snowfall in our real world with such roofs like HBO.
    ‘s Winterfell

  152. Tywin's Bastard
    Posted March 24, 2011 at 3:26 pm | Permalink

    Wolfheart,

    You haven’t seen any 700″ walls either since that’s physically impossible (while the roofs are only improbable), even if they were to be made out of stone. ;)

  153. VFXer
    Posted March 24, 2011 at 4:09 pm | Permalink

    Just so you all know many in the VFX department DO read these comments, so while you’re entitled to criticise, don’t be afraid to lavish with praise either (where applicable) :)

  154. the goat
    Posted March 24, 2011 at 5:08 pm | Permalink

    Mike V:
    Tyrion’s chain is going to look badass coming out of that harbor!

    The chain won’t go across that harbor, it will go across the river which flows to the south of the city. KL is on the east coast of Westeros and in this pic the Narrow Sea is on the left, so this view is from someone standing to the north of the city looking southward at it. Unless they’ve either a) changed the location of the river so that it is now north of the city or b) changed KL to the west coast (which I highly doubt).

    I think that harbor we see is just a natural inlet of the coastline and not the mouth of the Blackwater, as we can also see water on the far side of the city to the right of the Red Keep. I think this is the Blackwater. If that’s the case, they have changed the geography a bit so that the Red Keep is on a small point that juts out into the bay, rather than in the southeast corner of the city, but I don’t think that would affect the story in any way. It just looks a lil more dramatic.

  155. dizzy_34
    Posted March 24, 2011 at 6:00 pm | Permalink

    Domed roofs are not uncommon in cold invironments. The Igloo is the perfect snowy environment structure (however it’s shape is more for the high winds rather than snowfall). While I agree that a castle like Winterfell would probably have steep pitched roofs instead of domed I can see what they were thinking. I’ll just chalk it up to overthinking the design but it’s really not a big deal. And hey for those upset about this they’re going to burn it down anyways if we get to a season 2. :)

  156. Tysnow
    Posted March 24, 2011 at 7:44 pm | Permalink

    I have placed varying types of domes on those towers, and none really look good. I believe because of the height and the position of the towers along with the architecture of the buildings around, they couldn’t really find a roof that didn’t look out of place or downright ugly.
    I might have found a solution though, in the summer the tower crenelations are exposed on the battlements, then as winter approaches they begin to construct roofs
    for them, we are looking at the bottom chords/rafters of which temporary sheathing has been applied until the job is finished.

  157. Lina
    Posted March 24, 2011 at 8:21 pm | Permalink

    VFXer:
    Just so you all know many in the VFX department DO read these comments, so while you’re entitled to criticise, don’t be afraid to lavish with praise either (where applicable)

    If we lavish you with praise can you guys lavish us with pics? ;)

    I’m pretty confident in saying that I think most of our gatewatching is really just for sport. It’s a way to stir conversation and express opinions, but in no way does it suggest we are not eternally grateful to HBO for bringing this show to life!

  158. GaR
    Posted March 24, 2011 at 8:58 pm | Permalink

    Can we have a reference for magical runes and spells in Winterfell? I don’t recall any such thing from the books…

    Tywin’s Bastard: Wolfheart, You haven’t seen any 700″ walls either since that’s physically impossible (while the roofs are only improbable), even if they were to be made out of stone.

    700 inches? I don’t see why that’s so impossible. Parts of the great Wall are that high, aren’t they?

  159. Villian
    Posted March 24, 2011 at 11:45 pm | Permalink

    Abyss,

    Oh very nice, seems like this fix could be done quickly in the show haha

  160. Bene
    Posted March 25, 2011 at 1:31 pm | Permalink

    cant believe how there can be such a huge discussion about the roofs.

    back last year, when we only had a handful of pictures and had to guess from them what the show would be like, nitpicking about some eyebrows etc. was something different.

    by now we should have realised how the great the show is going to be. i think its a privilege that a book i like gets such a great TV show which is so close to the original story and to a vast amount of details from it.

    havin said that: about the “missing town at winterfell”:
    didnt they say in one of the artisan videos, that winterfell was rather a castle than a city? (i´m not a native speaker tho – maybe i got it wrong)
    i just took it as a change from the books to stress the differences btw. winterfell and kings landing for example.

    i love the look of all the pictures. winterfell is strong and beautiful and not too ostentatious (unlike most fo the buildings in LotR etc.).

  161. Ser_G
    Posted March 25, 2011 at 9:06 pm | Permalink

    I agree with the consensus that Winterfell isn’t quite what I think it should be. I don’t mind so much in terms of the practicality of it; Winterfell is imbued with magic, and I’m sure the roofs are reinforced so as they aren’t going to collapse under the weight of something as trivial as a few hundred feet of snow. What I don’t like about the domes is that they strike me as something of an over-aesthetic touch that don’t seem to solve any practical problems at all. Winterfell should be 100% pragmatic.

    That’s a minor, petty quibble though, and I love – LOVE – the visual of the godswood with the heart tree sticking out like a beautiful blossom of color amidst the bleakness. It really is a striking, striking visual.

    King’s Landing? O. M. F. G. That looks ridiculously awesome. What a fantastic still.

    The Wall is suitably epic. I can’t help but think of the arrows reaching the top of it, but w/e., what we’re really after is the image that’s going to catch peoples’ eyes in the opening shots, and it should be more than sufficient at that.

    Of these stills, King’s Landing is the real treat, but I continue to be awed at the level of attention to detail put into the show. I’m still getting nerd-chills at how awesome it’s going to be.

  162. Zack
    Posted March 25, 2011 at 9:09 pm | Permalink

    Ser_G: That’s a minor, petty quibble though, and I love – LOVE – the visual of the godswood with the heart tree sticking out like a beautiful blossom of color amidst the bleakness. It really is a striking, striking visual.

    Yes. They seem to have a great vision for the godswood, and I can’t wait to see it up close.

  163. Rufus MacSandleberg
    Posted March 26, 2011 at 12:23 pm | Permalink

    Holy crap these pics are awesome. Moreso than the admittedly minor quibbles about the practicality of this roof or that roof, we have to acknowledge that the worry about the effects not being up to snuff is officially satiated. It was one of my worries that, with this being a TELEVISION show and all, that the effects would be less than stellar, but that damn Wall is blowing my mind! Winterfell looks great, I don’t much care about the tops, it looks artistic, original, foreboding, and just downright badass. And King’s Landing is now my permanent screensaver (unless something even more badass gets posted… I’m looking at you VFX people).
    Let’s put this all in perspective… watch ONE episode of Legend of the Seeker and remember, this could have happened to Martin’s story; grade Y actors in discarded Land of the Lost and Xena: Warrior Princess costumes screwing up the character arcs and everything else. We are extraordinarily lucky that such a talented group of people have dedicated themselves to doing their best on this show. Keep it coming, folks!

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