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Two more critics hop aboard the hype train

Influential TV critics Dan Feinberg and Alan Sepinwall of HitFix.com have released their latest podcast, entitled (coincidentally enough) Firewall & Iceberg, where they talk for 20 minutes about Game of Thrones. The verdict? They loved it. Feinberg has read the first book and part of the second, however Sepinwall, despite pressure from fellow critics such as Mo Ryan and James Poniewozik, decided to not read the book so he could better review the show. So his viewpoint is particularly heartening as he is someone who has a large reading audience and is reviewing the show as just a TV viewer and not a book fan.

They talk about the show in glowing terms, comparing it to The Sopranos and The Wire. They say that outside of Lord of the Rings, this show contains one of the most fully realized fantasy worlds on screen. They say that the acting is stellar across the board, with particular stand-outs being Maisie Williams, Emilia Clarke, Peter Dinklage, and Mark Addy. They say…. well, I could go on and on about all the good things they say, but it’s easier if you just listen!

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  • Listening to it now, feels really good hearing these esteemed critics loving this show. But I’m also curious to Ryan McGee’s review tomorrow who said it was no love-fest for him.

  • I love that they love Maisie! I’m so glad to hear that the show got Arya right.

    Also, Alan Sepinwall’s good opinion is particularly heartening to me. For my two favorite shows, Mad Men and the Wire, his commentary has been my first stop after watching. I’m very pleased he likes the show as a non-reader.

  • I’ve gotta a question? What are we going to do AFTER Game of Thrones is finished airing? In 2017, when the last episode airs, what new fantasy series will we then watch? I have a strong feeling that this show is gonna last a while, so who else is concerned about next’s decade entertainment?

    And no I am not trolling…just want personal opinions

  • Yay! I’ve been feeling nervous since last night, when I saw the negative tweets from two other critics. Apparently we can expect a couple of not-so-positive reviews soon, from Mo Ryan’s colleague Ryan Mcgee, and from some other guy (forget his name).

  • Julian,

    The Hobbit part 1 (2012), The Hobbit part 2 (2013), and then multiple re-watches of the Hobbit on DVD (2014 – infinity).

  • Great podcast. Loved hearing them trash on Law and Order, and point out how dumb the networks are for making 4 of the exact same show, when the concept wasn’t great to begin with.

    Oh, Game of Thrones? Yeah, that bit was good too :) Particularly interesting to hear all of the praise for the actors. It sounds like Maisie has a little bit of a career ahead.

  • Knurk, from what I have heard, Ryan’s main issue with the show is whether or not it is accessible to people who have not read the books. Alan’s comments in this podcast seem to contradict that criticism. We shall see.

  • Winter Is Coming,

    Ryan’s twitter says his preview will be out tomorrow night, and a mega-podcast with Mo Ryan and guests (also tomorrow night).

    The suspense is killing me! This is why I didn’t want to get caught up in following the reviews.

  • Or how smart they are, for not reinventing the wheel if they can make money hand-over-fist for producing the same thing. Don’t forget, it’s a business, plain and simple. They’re to be admired for their business acumen, whether or not it fits Saluk’s personal opinion of what dumb is.

    saluk:
    Great podcast. Loved hearing them trash on Law and Order, and point out how dumb the networks are for making 4 of the exact same show, when the concept wasn’t great to begin with.

  • Interesting tweet by Westeros:

    GRRM notes a character killed in 1st season not actually killed until 3rd novel; noted to D&D, but they stuck with it. #GameOfThrones

    Wonder who it is…..

  • Since his decision to refrain from reading books in order to provide a ‘pure’ viewer’s perspective, Mr Sepinwall’s judgement about Game of Thrones is one that I anticipated especially. It seems to have played out for him, too, because now (amongst all the hype from SoIaF readers – who almost always are fans) his review is of great interest for us.

    Really good to know that he likes the final product.

  • I wouldn’t be worried about comment: Undoubtedly this means that a member of Rob’s group dies in the first movie who would normally not perish until the Red Wedding. It is undoubtedly not someone of relevance.

  • TastesLikeTheSea: Interesting tweet by Westeros:Wonder who it is…..

    Candidates are:

    Tywin
    The Old Bear
    Lyssa Arryn
    Marillion
    Shae
    The Greatjon

    Don’t think it’s gonna be Shae as her part in Seasons 2 & 3 are too important and there’s great potential for nudity with her.
    Don’t think it’s gonna be Tywin as the third season would have to be changed significantly.
    Don’t think it’s gonna be the Old Bear because then who would lead the ranging in season two?
    Don’t think it’s gonna be Lyssa because there’s just too much left for her to reveal in season three.

    If it’s the Greatjon, not much changes because after book one he’s little more than a lieutenant to Rob whose role could easily be filled by someone else.

    If it’s Marillion, we’ve lost literally nothing, as they could have anybody blamed for Lyssa’s murder in Season 3.

  • I’ll confess to a fear that it’s Tywin due to not being able to sign Charles Dance on for more than one year.

    I really hope I’m wrong. Something tells me when casting a character as important as Tywin, part of the requirement is that you sign on for the first three (possibly four if my theory is correct) seasons.

  • Julian: What are we going to do AFTER Game of Thrones is finished airing? In 2017

    I am pretty sure I will be watching a show called The Sword Kills Evil. It will be great! Based on a series yet written by Michael S. T. Eitherway called A Ballad of War. Mr. Eitherway isn’t born yet, but he will be, believe me.

  • Josh Parker,

    [Spoilers]

    It seems obvious that it’s Rast. He really doesn’t have any role to play in book 2, and in book 3 he just gets impaled on a wildling spear. I think he probably gets offed by a reanimated Wight.

  • Brian Talbott,

    I’m really okay with it being Rast, although I had in mind that he might replace Lark the Sisterman or even Chett.

    Seems like GRRM was really concerned about this character’s passing, seeing as he decided it was worth mentioning to David and Dan, so I doubt it’s gonna be Beric. It’s probably the Greatjon, Marillion or Rast.

  • That was a great review. Funny how they just kept coming up with actors doing a great job.

    Can’t wait for this.

  • Looking at the WIC cast list, the characters in S1 who die (or purported to die) in S3 are:

    Catelyn (doubt they’re bringing in Stoneheart early….)
    Robb
    Joffrey
    Tywin
    Gregor
    Shae
    Lysa
    Rickard Karstark
    Jeor Mormont
    Rast
    Beric? (Not sure when he first ‘died’, before aSoS or during?)
    I hope it’s Rickard, because he’s an idiot.

  • Steve Reynolds: Josh Parker, I’d prefer to be watching an adaptation of Dan Simmon’s Hyperion

    Oh, Oh, OH!!! Wouldn’t that be so cool!!! Don’t think it would EVER EVER happen, though. Er, um….(tiptoes delicately)….would offend too many religions……ya know?!

  • Oooops, forgot Marillion. He’s not too important either.

    I thought the Greatjon was still alive?

  • tek,

    Personally, I don’t believe he does ;) but yeah, we are meant to think he’s dead as of AFFC. The above are definite ‘on screen’ deaths though.

  • Going to throw in an odd guess: maybe Syrio? If he’s not Jaqen he won’t appear in book 4 and maybe George had planned that Syrio survived the fight but died of a heavy diarrhea-attack during aSoS’s timeline.

    And for the love of god people, use spoilertags! It’s so freakin’ easy that if you don’t know how to use them, don’t write spoilers! Check the preview button if your spoilertags are used correctly.

  • I thought it was funny that one reviewer was confused who and what exactly Theon was. He said it wasn’t very well explained until several eps in. I remember when I read GoT for the first time I was confused about what exactly Theon’s relationship to people was until toward the end of the novel or maybe even the second. heh

  • Gytha Ogg,

    my guess is beric. they’ll probably recast zombie beric in season 3 anyhow. if it is him, it won’t effect the plot of the story at all, since i think he is technically killed for the first time when the mountain ambushes his party, we just don’t find out about it until book 3.

  • Adrian,

    Yes, could well be. :) That wouldn’t make much change from the story, and would give a nice dramatic hook to an episode (fight with GREGOR).

  • Hoster Tully is my guess. He does sweet f all in the books anyway, and his death can really happen at any time.

  • If you are familiar with medieval history and the concept of wards and ‘hostages’ for keeping unruly families/countries obedient, Theon’s situation is easy to pick up. Most Americans are going to have small learning curve. English history is at least full of stories of people being locked up in a tower at least.

  • Wouldn’t it make sense for it to be Old Nan? She’s killed in the sack of Winterfell in the book, right? Though I misrecall whetehr that happened in book 2 or 3…

  • Nick,
    Hoster Tully is a good guess…but Hoster Tully isn’t even cast in S1 I thought. But since he does so little, why pay an actor–just have him decease off screen.

  • GaR,

    Books never spell out if she dies if I recall. I think she was with the survivors taken to the Dreadfort

  • John Engedal: I just uploaded this promo which I downloaded in itunes, Game Of Thrones “Epic” Trailer. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0ige0hdzZ_U Not sure if this is new or not, mostly the same scenes as we´ve seen before, but I think there might be one or two quick new shots!

    I don’t think we’ve seen Viserys getting crowned (or at least the few seconds before it anyway) before.

    As to the unexpected Death, I’ll guess Rast or possibly Lord Karstark.

  • Adrian,

    I don’t think it can be Karstark. His betrayal and subsequent beheading are pretty important developments in Robb’s storyline, and will be critical if they want to maintain any screentime for Jaime.

  • In the meantime, you may want to check out Andrew Gavin’s review… There’s a link somewhere…

    Caedes:
    @WiC

    What I’m eagerly waiting for is for YOUR review of the first six episodes!!

  • Great to hear positive stuff about Lena Headey’s Cercie, and the direwolves!Also,finally a nod to NCW.

    This is gonna be the greatest show of all time.

  • Ed,

    I’m dying to read his review of episode 2!

    Edit: BTW, can a moderator please spoilerize Josh Parkers comment, I know a LOT of commenters here aren’t through book 3 and his comment is quite unavoidable. I still have nightmares of my dad spoiling all the major deaths in book 3 for me…

  • Nick,

    I think you nailed it. And I hope you did, because his storyline does drag on endlessly, with the only scene of note being the “tansy” stuff.

    Edit: okay, maybe not, if he isn’t even cast as a couple people have said.

    Double edit: okay, maybe it can happen offscreen. I think that would actually be an improvement….

  • Josh Parker

    How can u be so F$&·$/% STUPID as to make a list of characters who died on the 3rd book without using the spoiler tool?? Are u that RETARDED or u just being an ASS$%$& just for the sake of ruining the reading experience to other people??? I myself just started the 3rd book today and I’ll gladly see u at the bottom of that list, that how pisse I am atm

  • The podcast was great. I loved the part where one of the reviewers stated that he could watch all 6 episodes right now again.

  • Thorrgal:
    Josh Parker

    How can u be so F$&·$/% STUPID as to make a list of characters who died on the 3rd book without using the spoiler tool?? Are u that RETARDED or u just being an ASS$%$& just for the sake of ruining the reading experience to other people??? I myself just started the 3rd book today and I’ll gladly see u at the bottom of that list, that how pisse I am atm

    I feel bad for you. On the other hand, these fan websites will be rife with spoilers. Best avoid them altogether until you finish the books.

  • SergioCQH: I feel bad for you. On the other hand, these fan websites will be rife with spoilers. Best avoid them altogether until you finish the books.

    I’ve been following the website for a long time and never had a problem bfr :S People know how to use the spoiler tool. And the always warn about possible spoilerish content. I also avoid the articles that maybe dangerous, but WTF, this post is about podcast review of the first 6 episodes of season one!!

    For the love of god, someone remove that comment :SS

  • Does anyone know how to view spoilers on an iPad? I’ve read all the books so I’m not afraid of spoilers and this thread is very interesting but the damn black bars are killing me here!

  • Josh Parker,

    Thorrgal has a point. I understand not getting the spoiler tags to work, but there is no reason you didn’t at least type “SPOILER ALERT” or some such. : (

    We should all try to be more aware since *hopefully for WiC* there will be a lot more newbie traffic once the show airs. : ) (Which I know has been mentioned before)

    On topic — Loved hearing them talk about the show! I also love knowing that I’m not the only one who makes the most epic story sound less than amazing when I’m trying to describe what it is! lol It is so heartening to know that a non-reader only had next to no trouble keeping track of the characters and story lines. YAY!

  • Mirax,

    Indeed, and not just for a minor spoiler. This is the most blatantly posted spoiler I think I’ve ever read. I usually keep my pose on the intertubes, but shame shame shame on you Josh Parker…

  • These are the reviews I’ve been waiting for. I had a feeling Dan would like it since he’s a fan of the book, but I was really hoping Alan would like it since he’s kind of the outsider. I, too, do not consider myself a big scifi/fantasy fan, but I ended up loving the books after getting through the prologue. I’m looking forward to their weekly reviews and hopefully podcasts of the show.

    I know it’s been said already, but I want to add my voice to the chorus: use the spoiler tags, people! This is beyond rude, listing characters who die later in the series.

    I’m so glad Alan likes Arya, because she is one fantastic character. Glad Dany is well-liked too, at least by Dan, because I always loved the character and was excited when Emilia was cast to play her.

  • Ya, the spoiler was kinda a bummer. I just finished up through the Red Wedding and I thought that might be the end of the major doozies. I was kinda bummed to see a few of the other deaths that I hadn’t quite counted on, but of course, I know what I’m getting into when I come to this site and others like it.

  • Thorrgal: Josh ParkerHow can u be so F$&·$/% STUPID as to make a list of characters who died on the 3rd book without using the spoiler tool?? Are u that RETARDED or u just being an ASS$%$& just for the sake of ruining the reading experience to other people??? I myself just started the 3rd book today and I’ll gladly see u at the bottom of that list, that how pisse I am atm

    You’re just as stupid reading comments here, where its inevitable that someone will forget themselves and post some major spoilers.

  • That was a very astute review. This is what I’ve been talking about! The positive reviews are coherent, organized and logical. The negative reviews are messy and whiny. Dan Feinberg and Alan Sepinwall identify potential problems with GoT and draw comparisons. Too many characters? No. It’s like The Wire. You’ve got to invest a little. Talky? So what? Tony Soprano talked a lot.

    They’d watch it just for Maisie. Loved that. Me too.

    The WSJ piece shows HBO has a new attitude about these things. They’re in. International revenue is up. HBO Go is up and running. DVD sales.

    I’ve said it before and Julian said it today. There’s only one thing we’ve got to worry about:

    Julian: What are we going to do AFTER Game of Thrones is finished airing? In 2017…

  • Julian:
    I’ve gotta a question? What are we going to do AFTER Game of Thrones is finished airing? In 2017, when the last episode airs, what new fantasy series will we then watch? I have a strong feeling that this show is gonna last a while, so who else is concerned about next’s decade entertainment?

    And no I am not trolling…just want personal opinions

    I would submit for consideration the Honor Harrington series. True it’s not fantasy, but if approached in the same manner as a period piece, I think it could come together rather well.

  • izakmo,

    That was my first thought. Also my second thought. Just wanted to make sure it wasn’t accepted wisdom, like who am I kidding? you know the theory I’m talking about.

  • Holy spoilers Batman!

    I know it is too late for some people (and I sincerely apologize about that) but I just added spoiler tags to a bunch of comments. Not just Josh’s (although his were the most egregious) but probably 3 or 4 other comments as well.

    We have to be really mindful of spoilers here, especially now that the series is so close to airing. There is no excuse now as there is not only a preview button, but you can edit or even delete your comment if you realized you missed the spoiler tag on something.

    I will be making a post further defining our spoiler policy sometime this week. Until then, just err on the side of caution and tag anything remotely spoilerish.

  • Listening to the article, the thing that got me thinking was the mention of a relationship hinted at in the books made much more definite.Renly/Loras anyone?
    If they need to make some budget cuts, Hoster isn’t the place I’d go. Its too easy to just extracute(come on! Its a catchy term!) him into a catatonic old man that others act around. Hoster doesn’t do much (unless my Tansy theory is real and then his lines are somewhat important), but alot happens around him. It would be easy to cut him, but it would also be very inexpesive to keep him in.

    They’d better not touch Gregor. That would be a” jump the shark” moment for me.

    As to the character who dies early, what about Balon Greyjoy? He’s not in the series as far as we know, but perhaps Theon could get word he dies early? Maybe Aeron takes over or something and Theon gets a better reason to get back to the Iron isle (it never seemed likely that the Greyjoys would help Robb to me when I read the books). Aeron can do most of the Balon stuff and they save money on an actor. Maybe Robb sends him back to make his claim? It would cut out a semi-major character without losing much (two worms instead of three)

    Other than that, I’d go with Beric. As discussed a few threads earlier, I’m afraid there will be alot of cutting with the BWoB crew. I hope not, but Thoros could basically serve all the functions Beric does later on.Flaming sword for teh Hound fight check! Breath of Life for Cat. Check!

  • Winter Is Coming,

    WiC, you might consider creating non-spoiler threads, like forums normally do. Have this topic and a spoiler link and non-spoiler link at bottom, then we can post on one or the other, depending on subject matter. With the series starting in six days, tthis site is responsible for not spoiling stuff, including posters.

  • Tysnow,

    I seem to be experiencing a proble with the spoiler button. After I post it goes away. If this is happening to anyone else and you want to use a spoiler, backing out to the main page seems to fix the problem for me.
    Ah sorry that was meant to be addressed to WiC not you Ty.

  • Oh yeah! Had a thought this morning. GRRM mentioned doing lunch with his old buddy Ron Pearlman out in LA this past weekend. It sounded social, but could anyone else see him as Quorin? That could be a cool get!

  • Okay, to all the people who are pissed at me, I apologize, but in my defense, I was typing at work where apparently the spoiler button doesn’t work. When I saw my initial post I was appalled and thought I did something wrong. I tried to edit it, but the spoiler button didn’t even show up.

    The second time I knew I hadn’t done anything wrong but it still didn’t work. After that I just decided to quit posting until I got home.

    My apologies to everyone I offended, and now, if you’ll excuse me, I need to apply a shard of glass to my throat.

  • Lord Ned’s Head:
    Oh yeah! Had a thought this morning. GRRM mentioned doing lunch with his old buddy Ron Pearlman out in LA this past weekend. It sounded social, but could anyone else see him as Quorin? That could be a cool get!

    Yes, please.

  • Brian Talbott: It seems obvious that it’s Rast. He really doesn’t have any role to play in book 2, and in book 3 he just gets impaled on a wildling spear. I think he probably gets offed by a reanimated Wight.

    Yeah. The other characters are all pretty notable, and GRRM says he had to remind D&D of their inaccuracy…I only read the books once and I wasn’t certain when Rast died, but I knew for certain for every other character mentioned here. So people who know the novels far better than I do would know as well. It’s going to be a character where the death changes nothing in the overall arc…Rast fits that bill.

  • Dragonglass cuts best. Oh and if you jam it in hard enough a shard or two might break off. Kidding! Totally kidding =)

  • Lord Ned’s Head,

    Yeah, well I’m not kidding. At least, not much. I’m having a crappy life right now and coming here was a place of solace for me where I could forget about my shit life and just geek out for a while.

    Then I come here and see this:

    Thorrgal:
    Josh Parker

    How can u be so F$&·$/% STUPID as to make a list of characters who died on the 3rd book without using the spoiler tool?? Are u that RETARDED or u just being an ASS$%$& just for the sake of ruining the reading experience to other people??? I myself just started the 3rd book today and I’ll gladly see u at the bottom of that list, that how pisse I am atm

    Think I’m done posting for a while.

  • Zack,

    hehe I’m not saying you are guilty of this Brian, but its kind of yucky when some folks have seen the first few (or 6) episodes and others haven’t. Makes me wonder what is speculation and what is fact disguised as speculation.
    Again, I don’t suppose you know anymore than I do Brian. I’m just stating the potential for abuse like that exists untill we all catch up!

  • Lord Ned’s Head: Ron Pearlman … could anyone else see him as Quorin?

    Ron Perlman? As in “The Beast.” There’s a GoT face if there ever was one. http://www.daemonsmovies.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/12/season-of-witch-movie-photo-06.jpg

    Quorin? Okay. Perhaps a larger role, even. Hey, he’s in Conan with Jason Momoa. Guess who else is in Conan? Rose McGowan. Hmm. There’s a devil in a red dress if there ever was one… http://www.wallpaperhub.net/pictures/Rose-McGowan/Rose-McGowan-11.JPG …and we know who always wears red.

  • Josh Parker,

    Its okay bud. Sometimes people are a little careless or overzealous and make mistakes. Of course we should all try not to, but as far as I’m concerned you were just trying to add to the conversation and got a little carried away.

    Having plotlines ruined for you does suck. But I’d encourage everyone to let WiC handle spoiler offenses without denegrating into flames. Also, you could always do what I recommend and stay away from thre boards until you finish reading. Everyone’s alwayswelcome here of course, I just try to take all precautions not to have something I’m interested in ruined my something I can’t control. My advice, go read the books (it really doesn’t take all that long), take a few minutes to digest the awesomeness of GRRM’s world, then come on back into the conversation with a more knowledgible grasp on what happens AND the inability to let other people potentially dampen a great experience.
    Everyone can do as he likes. It’s just my best advice to prevent your read from getting spoiled.

  • Yeah, I guess I got a little carried away. I’m sure most of you would prefer I not go into detail about my problems right now. Let’s just say if HBO adapted my life it would be more depressing than Six Feet Under (though perhaps with as much dark humor since you aren’t the ones living it).

    I do feel bad for the spoiler tags not working. I’ve used them before, and usually try not to post spoilers at all, but this one was just too good to resist.

    As for the inaccuracy of my list, I do recall someone being beheaded at the Red Wedding, and my memory told me it was the Greatjon. For that matter, I guess I figured Marillion’s death was implied, since the last we ever see of him is his being carted away to the sky cells after Littlefinger frames him. I always assumed he jumped.

    I’d be very surprised if it were Cat, Rob or Joffrey who die this season.

  • Josh Parker,

    I think Marillion dies in AFFC. At least he’s supposedly does. It happens offscreen right?

    Again, my two likeliest subjects would be Beric or Balon,though Rast is a possibility too if he is even major enough for GRRM to care enough to make a note

    From the podcast does anyone else suspect we’ll get some Loras/Renly love in season 1?

  • David Thomas:
    Does anyone know how to view spoilers on an iPad?

    If you have a little technical ability, you can make a JavaScript bookmarklet to get rid of the spoiler tags. I posted instructions here once, but everyone said it was too complicated.

    The code I use is this. Short instructions are, make a bookmark linking to this text, then click it when necessary.

    bookmarklet

    javascript:styles=’b%20{color:%20white%20!important}’;%20newSS%20=%20document.createElement(‘link’);%20newSS.rel%20=%20’stylesheet’;%20newSS.href%20=%20’data:text/css,’%20+%20escape(styles);%20document.documentElement.childNodes[0].appendChild(newSS);%20void%200

  • Lord Ned’s Head: Again, my two likeliest subjects would be Beric or Balon,though Rast is a possibility too if he is even major enough for GRRM to care enough to make a note

    Balon dying in the first season would unnecessarily muck up Mel’s blood magic in ASoS. There’s no way David & Dan overlooked that.

    edit: Okay, why, when I quote someone, do the tags for marking spoilers disappear and I have to manually add them?

    Screwy.

  • For future reference, you don’t even need the spoiler button. You can put spoiler tags simply by typing (b) before the text, and (/b) after the text (but with the triangular brackets, not the round ones).

  • Yeah, but I had forgotten the tag was a simple “b” and tried adding a tag myself by typing “spoiler” and “/spoiler” like at imdb.com. For the record, I’m called TheyChinaFood there, and I applied the spoiler tag like mad on a post I did about how to do the third season.

  • GaR: Perlman as Halfhand? Yeah, I can dig it.

    But how awesome would he be as Tormund Giantsbane?

    Oh yes. He’s in at least 4 chapters in ASoS. D&D can do more with him. And … Tormund lives.

  • Vladimir Kulich is my Qhorin (it’s like he stepped out of the books) and Brian Blessed (now that he won’t be the Old Bear) is my Tormund.

    I could see Perlman as Qhorin, maybe, but not as Tormund. Tormund’s gotta have a big voice.

  • Zack,

    Probably right, but much of Balon’s character can just be amalgamed into Aeron. Although you would lose the cool death scene on the bridge.

  • Alan Sepinwall is the TV writer I rely on when considering which shows to watch, so I was thrilled to hear his effusive praise of the show. I loved that he was close to putting into the HBO pantheon along with The Wire, Deadwood, and The Sopranos. However, I am still concerned that non-readers may struggle with the first few episodes which from everything I have read will be heavy on exposition (unavoidable). I guess I need to have faith that the HBO audience is sophisticated enough to handle it…fingers crossed.

  • Still like Perlman as Quorin, but man the Tormund idea still has me smiling. Ron’s voice is plenty deep enough to me and and if they deem it neccessary they could always amplfy it in post-production.
    If you wanted to go a different direction, he might even make an interesting Craster.

  • Christian,

    Exposition may be unavoidable, but from what I can see from the first 15 minutes, they also do a fair amount of exposition sans dialogue (ie they establish the Stark family with alot of looks and actions as opposed to true dialogue). The cast seems very adept at saying “you are my wife and I care about you alot.” for example, with a thoughtful stare between Ned and Cat. Certain things will be unavoidable without expensive flashbacks or other devices, but the more thy can establish who is who and what is what through actions, the better the show will be.

    Here’s kind of a goofy thought. What about a feature either on the HBO website or On Demand that kind of mimics the Appendix in the books? I know the information is out there on the web, but it might be nice to have it centralized for people new to the story.

  • BTW…I just noticed the countdown clock for the first time in awhile. FIVE DAYS. CAN YOU BELIEVE IT. I remember reading the Variety article that announced the acquisition back in January of 2007. This is a long time coming friends.

  • Wow, that podcast was awesome! I had the biggest smile on my face when they said “Maisie Williams is amazing, I could watch a whole series about her character.” I hope she hears this review.

  • Josh Parker,

    Josh Parker,

    Don’t stop posting on account of some overzealous asshole who isn’t responsible himself for what he reads. Takes two to tango, but this guy just wants to tangle. Is easy to forget that there are real people on the other end of these user names.

    It also hasn’t been fun watching so many people make sport of that poor guy who kept hyping his review. So what–he overdid it. Avert your eyes. Shake your head and move on. Yet quite a few people are piling on him like dorks who finally met a crippled kid and are thrilled to finally have someone they can pick on. It’s pretty sad.

  • Lord Ned’s Head,

    The sheer mechanics of introducing so many characters in a meaningful way is a challenge. It sounds like they nailed it, but I am still nervous about non fantasy types adjusting to the language, names, archetypes that we probably take for granted.

  • Can’t see Ron Perlman as the Halfhand. But I can utterly, totally, and completely see him as Tormund. I’ve never had a good mental image of Tormund (I’m someone who does mental casting a lot), but I think Perlman just became my Tormund. He would be amazing.

    (My inner casting, btw, always had Viggo Mortensen as the Halfhand, because it doesn’t half to pay imaginary actors!)

  • Theano,

    Yeah, I’m not one to cast characters usually, but to me Tormund has always been Perlman.

    It took me quite a while to disassociate Quorin and Thomas Covenant in my head though. That made for some interesting reading…

  • well im gonna thrown my hat into the ring for Perlman as Quorin. Hadn’t given it much thought before but the more i think about it the more i reckon it = win!

  • Lex:
    I still like Brad Dourif as Craster.

    I don’t know if they would, since he’s not from the UK (I think…), but it would still be a fantastic piece of casting. Dourif never disappoints!

  • Zack: I don’t know if they would, since he’s not from the UK, but it would still be a fantastic piece of casting. Dourif never disappoints!

    If they don’t then perhaps it would be better that they die in the innards of a worm.

  • Tonight on Chuck, Chuck was reading Game of Thrones and said “Eddard, you don’t let your kids keep direwolves, that’s a terrible idea.”

    What kind of geek is Chuck that he hasn’t read the book yet?

  • Since season 2 casting has been mentioned, what do you all think of Ciaran Hinds for Roose Bolton? He played Julius Caesar in Rome, and I think he can bring out that quiet menace of Bolton.

  • Arrogant Bastard,

    Ciaran Hinds might be too big a name for a role that small, but I think he could do it.

    I’ve had I don’t know how many names lined up for Bolton. Peter Wingfield, Ewan Stewart, most recently Wayne Pygram. I just don’t know who should play that part.

  • Arrogant Bastard,

    Ciaran Hinds has the wrong lookfor Roose imo. I picture Roose looking like a reject from the Haunted Mansion at Disneylong. Hey.. he might be a little old, but speaking of Haunted Mansion Terrance Stamp would be cool.

    Speaking of the Rome cast, I just want to reiterate my desire to get David Bamber (Pompei) involved with this project in any way possible. The guy is a veritable chameleon. Would have loved him for Varys, but I’ll take him in any role short of Mire Reed.

    Kevin McKidd (my other Rome alum choice) took a big hit in my book last week when he sang in the Grey’s Anatomy musical episode. You can’t possible agree to do that without turning in your man card first. Sorry.

  • I’m hoping for Rufus Sewell as Bolton. I think he’s a realistic get, and his eyes are perfect for Bolton…

  • Josh Parker,

    Yeah, I thought the main issue would be Roose’s comparatively minor role in teh series up to that point. I’d really like to see Sean Harris in the series, he was by far the best part of Harry Brown as the creepy drug dealer. Maybe as either Ramsay Snow or Vargo Hoat, if they survive the character cuts.He was also great in the Red Riding trilogy, which had Nina Gold as the casting director. Although I believe he’s currently in The Borgias.

  • Arrogant Bastard,

    He is, and he’d be great as any of the characters you suggested.

    Frankly, I haven’t seen a suggestion yet, my own included, that would actually work for Bolton. I’m kinda frustrated about that. I had hoped he’d be cast this season.

  • For Bolton, I’m in the camp of that guy from the Full Monty (with Mark Addy I believe) who was also in Stargate: Universe. Also good for Bolton, in an entirely different vein, would be that guy in Red Eye…the guy who played that evil psychiatrist/scarecrow guy in one of the Batman movies.

  • Josh Parker,

    Too famous? I dunno. He’s never really be a headliner. Hes been in some big pictures as a supporting actor. Bit like Sean Bean.
    As for Lie To Me….it might be that it would conflict. Not sure what its filming schedules like but i would have thought that being on a network TV program and having that opportunity to place a role like Roose Bolton on a fairly prestigious HBO production would be a good move.
    Really depends on if its the sort of thing that would interest him i guess. He definitely has the face, eyes and stature and presence for Bolton. downright creepy.

  • David Thomas,

    Cillian Murphy. might be a good choice but i reckon hes a little young for The Lord of the Dreadfort. not sure how old Boltons Bastards meant to be in aSoS but maybe Cillian might be better in that role. Robert Carlyle could be a good option.

  • It’s too bad the WSJ review is going to pull down the Metacritics average so significantly (a 40) once the requisite four major reviews are posted. Otherwise, we’d be seeing a season-topping rating, for both broad-casting and cable.

  • Anyone else seen this? According to Westeros, we should expect some character that doesn’t die in the books until ASOS to die on the first season. Who do you think could it be?

  • It’ll never happen, obviously, but Gary Oldman would kill it as Bolton. “I am not in the habit of being questioned by servants, Nan. Must I have your tongue out?”

    Lord Ned’s Head,

    Once HBO gets done with the Viewer’s Guide and releases it, it will have family trees, character bios, etc. I just hope they mention it during the show so people unfamiliar with the books will know about it.

  • Reggie:
    Tim Roth is too famous. And he is way too cool to be in GoT. You must admit it.

    yeah look maybe he is (hes definately one cool cat). i would hope that critically well received and popular shows with a certain amount of prestige on HBO and other premium cable networks would continue to attract big name actors (not necessarily A Listers) as they seem to be doing these days – that said however Bolton is a secondary character and actors of that calibre might only be attracted to a series like this if its a really major role so your probably right.

  • Reggie, look Davey/Whiney/Reggie/WhateverYouWantToCallYourself, I don’t mind if you want to come on here every once in a while and make silly posts parodying many of the comments here. But please try to refrain from spamming threads with multiple comments under multiple aliases, especially when you are just replying to yourself back and forth. It gets annoying.

    /mod

  • I just saw a nice long trailer on a local LA station during the Dodger game. It was pretty much a mash-up of stuff we’ve already seen, but had a few lines I don’t remember hearing before:

    Catelyn: Seize him! (from Inn of the Crossing)
    Robert: I can’t rule with Starks and Lannisters at each others throats!
    Ned: I want no bloodshed! (likely from the betrayal scene)

  • Julian: I’ve gotta a question? What are we going to do AFTER Game of Thrones is finished airing?

    I am going to be busy WHILE it is airing. Hobbit part 1 & 2 for two years will be fun and 2012 looks to be one of the biggest blockbuster film years in history if not THE biggest.

    Between now and 2017 I guess I will write a book for fans to love!

  • Apparently GRRM said that the character in question of dying in season 1 is a male. so I would automatically say that rules out Lysa, Shae and Greywind :P

    As for who it can/cannot be I really don’t think it will be Robb, Tywin, Joffery, just makes no sense, and would throw a huge wrench into the series for no reason.

    As for who I think it will be, Beric. People keep mentioning about how he doesnt have to be around to make the BWB work, yadda yadda yadda, but the thing is, when Beric dies, he comes back. So killing him off earlier, wouldn’t necessarily change anything. He would be reanimated sooner, but that doesn’t mean he would have to be written out of the rest of the show.

    As for Rast and Hoster, I don’t really see either of them as vital to the show. Hoster, while not cast this season, could easily die offscreen, and I don’t really see any of the dynamics that would change. In fact, it could be a good reason for the Blackfish to come into the story, as if Hoster were alive, why in the hell would the rebelious brother be hanging around Riverrun.

  • Josh Parker:

    It’ll never happen, obviously, but Gary Oldman would kill it as Bolton. “I am not in the habit of being questioned by servants, Nan. Must I have your tongue out?”

    I’ve said before that for me, Zeljko Ivanek is spot on for Bolton. And he also is an HBO veteran, and a great, affordable actor.

  • Arrogant Bastard: Zack,

    Probably right, but much of Balon’s character can just be amalgamed into Aeron. Although you would lose the cool death scene on the bridge.

    If we get Ian McShane as Aeron, then Ciaran would be a great Balon, since the two could be brothers in real life.

  • David Thomas,

    The guy from Full Monty aka Robert Carlyle would probably be to expensive and due to his rather dark pupils I would see another eyegate coming…

    I am all for Rufus Sewell and could well imagine Cillian Murphy (scarecrow from Batman) as the Bastard of Bolton, Nick Stahl aka the Yellow Bastard from Sin City would also work for me as Reek.

  • In honor of Chuck’s comment tonight, I felt insipired. I wanted to record it, but I cant make the webcam on this computer work and my other one is in the shop. Probably a good thing since I can’t sing a lick. Spoilers within so be careful. Now, without further ado, set to Waylan and Willie’s classic, I present “Eddard! Don’t let your kids keep direwolves”

    Direwolves ain’t easy to love and they’re harder to hold.
    They’ll get big as a pony with fangs that are stony and cold.
    Huge claws to their knuckles and thick mangy coats and each night how they howl and they bay!
    You say,”They’re our sigil!”, but you’d best keep vigil.
    You Starks better just ride away!

    Eddard! You don’t let your kids keep direwolves!
    Don’t let them pick names for those cute, fuzzy pups.
    They’re vicious wild creatures not tame little ducks!
    Eddard! You don’t let your kids keep direwolves!
    If you try to train’em, you hardly can blame ’em
    If they ravage someone you love!

    Spoiler Alert (These two words are actually in the song lol)

    Direwolves might rip out the throats of unlucky assassins.
    They might disembowel wildlings if you manage to get in a fight.
    But ask Maester Lewin, how his hand is doin’, if his mangled fingers are achin’.
    And if you domesticate ’em, you’ll just decapitate ’em
    When Prince Joffrey’s sword arm is given a bite!

    Eddard! You don’t let your kids keep direwolves!
    Don’t let them pick names for those cute, fuzzy pups.
    They’re vicious wild creatures not tame little ducks!
    Eddard! You don’t let your kids keep direwolves!
    If you try to train’em, you hardly can blame ’em
    If they ravage someone you love!

    rofl silly I know, but I had a hell of alot of fun making it up. Hope ya like it!

  • Tre Svatek,

    Actually Beric dies already in book one. He dies right at the first attack against the group Eddard sent out, but is then resurrected by Thoros.

  • Here’s a list of all male characters to appear on s1 that die on ASOS:

    Tywin Lannister
    Jeor Mormont
    Rast
    Joffrey
    Robb
    Beric Dondarrion

    We know it’s a second, or even third tier character so we can strike out Robb and Joffrey, I think. We’re left with Tywin, Jeor, Rast and Beric. I really don’t see any sense in killing off Tywin this early. Beric is hardly mentioned, and I can’t believe they would actually show his quest to apprehend Gregor. So, unless he’s killed off screen, it ain’t him either. Since Hoster Tully is not shown in s1, he can also be killed only off-screen. My guess is they would add some action to late-season nightwatch storyline, and kill off Rast.

  • OT: Our own Elyes Gabel (“Rakharo”) starred in this week’s episode of The Borgias. He was pretty good, too. Strangely, his imdb page doesn’t list the Borgias OR Game of Thrones at all!

  • Hopefully it is Rast, which is fine.

    I thought they were going to merge him with Chett, but they may just eliminate that part of the story, or just use an extra.

  • GRRM said it was a MAN!My money is on Richard Kastark, SmallJohn Lord Beric or Rast.
    Hoster Tully is possibility, too.

    Balon – I am not 100% ceratin but we hear about his death during the Storm, but did he die during the Clash?

    Tywin, Robb and Old Bear are too vital to kill them off in the first season, IMO.

  • I think its quite nice, how the community is speculating who will die earlier then in the books – so there are still some (hopefully nice : ) surprises and guessing, even for the readers of the books

    just 5 more days \o/

  • Actors mentioned here that I’d love to see in GOT (not that I don’t like the others, I just don’t know them):

    – Ron Perlman: Craster is a great suggestion. Cool that he’s friends with GRRM.
    – Ciaran Hinds: not really how I see the Blackfish, but the age and the general look fit.
    – David Bamber: loved him as Cicero, recently saw him in “The King’s Speech”, he has a tiny but odious role. I can see him as an ambiguous goodish guy. Some minor lord?
    – Rufus Sewell, yes please, I’d see him as anything, even Tywin’s privy.
    – Julian Sands is my perfect Ser Arthur Dayne, if flashbacks are in. But he also could be some other charismatic character.

    Tre Svatek:
    As for Rast and Hoster, I don’t really see either of them as vital to the show. Hoster, while not cast this season, could easily die offscreen, and I don’t really see any of the dynamics that would change. In fact, it could be a good reason for the Blackfish to come into the story, as if Hoster were alive, why in the hell would the rebelious brother be hanging around Riverrun.

    Moved a bit your spoiler tags to let the Blackfish stand out. :D

    Yes, I see your point, though the reconciliation scene between the brothers and Brynden’s grief are rather moving stuff. However, as an aside, IF the Blackfish is going to be important in future books (it’s a big IF and I think we’ll learn the answer soon), I’ve always thought that his chats with Hoster were deliberately kept behind the scenes by GRRM because they could reveal the reason why he never married, which could be important later. Or could not, it’s no big deal for the character, it even adds mystery. What interests me right now is whether his escape from Riverrun in AFFC is going to be meaningful later, because in my view that’s the catch that makes or breaks his presence in the series.

    Male character who dies in S1 when he should die later (I sincerely don’t remember whether these guys die in S3 or not):

    Hoster Tully, adds to Cat’s messed-up life.
    Rickard Karstark, adds to Robb’s growing responsibilities.
    Old Bear, to make Jon even more emo.
    Beric Dondarrion is ALWAYS a good candidate for dying.

    Someone mentioned Lady Mormont, but she’s not been cast yet, also she’s female (supposedly) :D

  • OT but going along with many of the posts discussing castings for S2… assuming he hasn’t already made an appearance in S1 I was thinking about Dolorous Edd. For some reason I had Daniel Mays in mind..
    http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0990547/
    .. although maybe I already read it suggested on here or something. Not sure where it came from in my head.
    But as I have been re-reading the books as soon as his character appeared I just could not get Karl Pilkington out of my mind. He sounds exactly like Pilkington to me. I know he’s supposed to have grey hair but… casting Karl in that part would be a piece of stunt casting I could totally get on board with. :) Opinions?

  • Amir Mishali,

    The List of names is spoilered out but the paragraph where they are all mentioned again is not.

    Still think Rast is the most likely candidate.

    We need to see someone we know killed off during the Wight attack, in the book a named character does die (plus a few unnamed) but that named character isn’t in the show so Rast is used instead.

  • I see a lot of people are unsure about when Marillion dies. The truth is he’s probably not dead. There are clues to suggest that Littlefinger is keeping him alive for some reason.

    Liesie: Amir Mishali, Hmm weird, right now all the spoiler tags seem to be there, but about an hour ago only half of your post had them…

    The paragraph still shows in the clear for me.

  • Liesie,

    Even weirder, when I look at his post, it is still only the first list of names that is blacked out, the rest is plain text.

  • Amir Mishali: Mormegil, Not my fault. The whole paragraph is spoiler-tagged.

    It’s a problem with I.E

    When there is a paragraph break in the middle of a spoiler it looks like I.E ends the spoiler tag.

    To be on the safe side it’s probably best to spoiler each paragraph individually which should solve the problem.

  • morbiczer,

    Just finished my reread of AGOT (literally, just finished last chapter 15 minutes ago :P ) and Beric is not named dead in the book. He is mentioned as being around and as being a pain the rear, but not dead.

    I really think it would be him as offing him earlier wouldn’t really change anything story wise (seeing as how last time we see him is riding out to meet Gregor, and then we see him 2 books later dead) so if he died “earlier” it wouldn’t really change anything at all.

    Thats the thing too, no where does GRRM mention that the cut was done to eliminate plot lines in season 3. It is simplt stated that he noted to D&D that they had gotten a death wrong, and they noted it, but didn’t change it. Something like that makes it seem to me that A) the timing of the death really doesn’t matter nor is it memorable (offscreen/heard about not read?) and B) the death means something later in the books, but not the manner in which, or when, it happened (aka anyone else but Beric’s death is kind of final, and has no lasting implications, at least as far as the people we are seriously speculating as being the ones who had their death “timing” changed.)

  • Josh Parker:
    I’ll confess to a fear that it’s Tywin due to not being able to sign Charles Dance on for more than one year.

    I really hope I’m wrong. Something tells me when casting a character as important as Tywin, part of the requirement is that you sign on for the first three (possibly four if my theory is correct) seasons.

    Nooooo that would be awful – we can’t lose the awesome quarrel on the dunny scene!

  • John Engedal:
    I just uploaded this promo which I downloaded in itunes, Game Of Thrones “Epic” Trailer. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0ige0hdzZ_U Not sure if this is new or not, mostly the same scenes as we´ve seen before, but I think there might be one or two quick new shots!

    Thanks for the upload! I hadn’t seen that one yet. It was worth watching just for a glimpse of Viserys getting his Crown.

    In fact, I’m super pumped to see just that split second, as I was really worried they’d change the scene somehow. But it looks like it will happen as in the books, with two Dothraki holding his arms while he screams in pain. So badass. Can not wait to see this scene… and see the reaction it gets from my friends who haven’t read the books!

  • Theano:
    Can’t see Ron Perlman as the Halfhand.But I can utterly, totally, and completely see him as Tormund.I’ve never had a good mental image of Tormund (I’m someone who does mental casting a lot), but I think Perlman just became my Tormund.He would be amazing.

    (My inner casting, btw, always had Viggo Mortensen as the Halfhand, because it doesn’t half to pay imaginary actors!)

    I always visualised Qhorin as being wirier in build than Ron Perlman – I’d cast him as Rattleshirt.

  • Tre Svatek,

    About what you wrote.

    Beric dies first during AGOT (off-screen) when his men are ambushed by the Lannisters. He is accidentaly resurrected by Thoros. This story is told by Thoros either in book 3 or 4, can’t remember (prob a Brienne chapter in book 4). So yes, he is not named dead in book 1, but we know that he actually died. He later on dies repeatedly, but is again and again brought back to life by Thoros. The only death and resurrection on-screen are in ASOS during when he duels Sandor. It seems that at the end of book 3 he died finally, when Thoros refused to resurrect Catelyn, and Beric did it himself.)

  • Just wanted to point this out:

    http://www.google.com/trends?q=game+of+thrones%2C+boardwalk+empire&ctab=0&geo=all&date=ytd&sort=0

    I don’t know how accurate these graphs are, but I read that as saying GoT is more popular at the moment, before it has even aired, than Boardwalk Empire was when it aired it’s first episode, and during most of it’s season run. Surely this indicates good numbers for GoT, especially since it is getting the HBO free weekend thing like BE did.

  • KG,

    WIN!

    Win, win, win!

    I did like the idea of Zeljko Ivanek, but he’s an American, and has never done a British accent before (unlike Peter Dinklage) so I wasn’t sure he could do it. But Sands? That’s the man, right there! Sign him right now!

  • Personally I think the only role Perlman has been mentioned for that I think he would really work as would be Craster. He’s just too ugly for Qhorin, and I don’t think he has the presense to play Tormund. I still call on Brian Blessed for that part.

  • Seems pretty obvious to me that it is Rast.

    D+D have said over and over that they are trying to stay close to the books, and most of the names thrown out are too major for that.

    The only two that seem even remotely plausible to me are Baric and Rast. However, to show Beric’s death, they would need to shoot a battle scene – which is costly budget wise. Plus, it adds almost nothing to the show. Guy dies… and that’s it.

    With Rast, they play up the Jon vs Rast angle, make him a more major character, then kill him off in the Wight attack for more impact. There’s nothing he does in later books that can’t be done by a nameless brother with the same impact.

  • Don’t know if this has been posted, but I found this first part of an apparent 5 part review by Alyssa Rosenberg of “The Atlantic” that will be posted over the course of the entire week. This was posted yesterday afternoon, so I guess this afternoon will see the release of part two. It is very positive so far, but whether it remains so over the course of each portion, its anyones guess.
    The Atlantic Review Pt One

  • Josh Parker:
    KG,

    WIN!

    Win, win, win!

    I did like the idea of Zeljko Ivanek, but he’s an American, and has never done a British accent before (unlike Peter Dinklage) so I wasn’t sure he could do it. But Sands? That’s the man, right there! Sign him right now!

    Zeljko Ivanek:

    The Slovenian-born actor graduated from the London Academy of Music and Dramatic Art in 1980.

    So that should’nt be a problem and apart from that, Zeljko is Roose Bolton, if there will be a Bolton in the show. It is known.

  • Okay, I’m gonna say it’s Rast as well. Should a character be needed in season three to fill the antagonist Black Brother role, that could just as easily to to Chett or Lark the Sisterman. In fact, I’m gonna call it right now and say that the ranging will include Pyp instead of Giant, and will play up either Chett or Lark (or both) as the main antagonist(s), so the planned betrayel at the start of Season Three will make more sense.

  • I agree that Perlman would be a good Craster. I also like the idea of Sewell as Bolton – he has a great glare and would be able to pull off Bolton’s intimidating whisper.

  • Ron Perlman would be awesome as Tormund or Craster… But yeah, I agree, probably too big to be Quorin, who should be wirey.

  • I will jump in on the Bolton casting discussion — when I re-read the books, the face that popped into my head was Michael Emerson (Ben on “Lost”).

    Also — a spoiler free note on deaths in the series — do not count anyone as dead unless you see the death. And, with some characters, even that isn’t enough …

  • I like the Brad Dourif as Craster suggestion…he fits more to the way I pictured Craster. Anyway, why all this speculation about Ron Perlman? Have you all forgotten he’s already playing a major character on a Cable television series-on a show that is probably not going to be canceled anytime soon? SOA is one of FX’s biggest shows.

  • Maybe I’m just reading into things too much, but I think that Craster is one of the most likely things to be cut from season 2. Most of the events that happen there could occur elsewhere north of the wall. I love the scenes with him as it adds more mystery to the Others and his “sons”. However, when cuts are made I think Craster will be left on the floor…:(

  • Lord Ned’s Head,
    BEAUTIFUL!

    If I had to nitpick one thing (which I would never, ever do, except this board requires it), it would be that the first line of the chorus doesn’t really scan– I know you quoted that line from Chuck’s comment, but still, it’s short a few syllables if you’re sticking with the melody. Maybe: “Eddard! Don’t let the Winterfell children raise direwolves”?

  • Luke-WarmHands,

    You have to justify Gilly and her babie then. I think that can’t be taken out of the show, it seems that both Gilly’s and Mance’s sons could be important in events to come.

  • It must be Rast, as everyone else has said. There’s just no reason for him to even be around in later seasons, and the attack by the wights will have more impact if they kill a character the audience is at least familiar with.

    Beric is second, as his death wouldn’t mean much.

    While I was reading the comments I thought I could see Balon dying early, as he doesn’t really do all that much. However, after thinking about it, I don’t know if that would work. First, his rejection of Theon is, I think, what drives Theon to throw his tantrum at Winterfell. Second, if Balon dies early, that screws up the whole Euron storyline, which I believe will be important going forward.

    I don’t see the point in killing off Greatjon or Karstark early, as they’ll just need to find replacements for them. Greatjon is more or less Robb’s right hand, and if Edmure isn’t in this season, I can’t see who else they could blend into that role. An early exit by Karstark would mess up the whole hostage situation later on (unless they’re just going to ignore this and come up with another way to whittle down Robb’s forces).

  • Paul McGann for Roose, imo. :)

    Although I’d not considered Jason Isaacs, another good one. Gahhhh, I can’t wait for the casting rumours to start again!

  • I make it a policy to never read *any* discussion about *anything* if I don’t want it spoiled. There will always be leaks, so you get what you get for going into discussions before finishing the books.

  • clemintine,

    There is truth in that, but blatant spoilers must be avoided. Like smaller spoilers about a character that appears in a later book, the spoiler is that he/she will survive this season, this will probably happen alot. But a dry list of all deaths in one of the later books can be a megashock for someone who is just finishing book 2 for example. I can really understand Thorgall’s reaction. We shouldn’t blame him for reading comments about a show that only involves book 1 so far.

    But all is explained now, and the spoilers are gone. Apparantly this has also something to do with the clunky browser Internet Explorer.

  • mummer,

    Gotta go to work so I have to keep the response brief. Its a country song, You can drawl it out. Hehe I’ve been playing it on my geeetar and it sounds good ;)

  • Lina,
    Josh Parker,
    OhDanyBoy,
    Mormegil,
    Jordan Healey,
    Brian Talbott,
    and so many others,

    The only problem is that the actor portraying Rast asked me during the last Belfast moot if his character was still alive at the end of ACOK. He looked really relieved when I told him that he was still alive by then and told me he was really looking forward to be part of the second season. I think he had already finished his shots when we talked (or maybe he still had one more day of shooting, I can’t recall).

  • I’m probably late to the “guess who might die” party, but what about Rodrik Cassel?

    Most of his role in S2/S3 could be given to Maester Luwin, and if he dies fighting the mountain clans, it might offer some interesting dramatic possibilities. You could illustrate some of Tyrion’s honor to the non-readers by a more open cooperation on the journey to the Eyrie, for instance. Which in turn will make Lysa seem that much more crazy/unsympathetic when she throws him in a sky cell.

    For purely pragmatic (read: budget) reasons, you could also use Rodrik’s premature demise to eliminate the greater battle outside Winterfell with Ramsay Snow, and simply have him take the castle from Theon the same way Theon takes it from the Starks, with a small armed party and hence no massive CGI or extra requirements.

  • Nevermind my post above. My guess didn’t even die in the third book, he died in the second.

    Regardless of how the series turns out, my respect for Bryan Cogman and the other showrunners grows immensely. I’ve read the books four times and consider myself a stickler for details, and it turns out I can’t even get a secondary character’s death and a major event in the right book… and that’s without the prospect of several million fans with no compunctions about voicing their displeasure berating me mercilessly if I get anything wrong! :-P

  • If indeed some Character is to be killed of early and we know that it is a male character who otherwise gets killed in Season 3 we have limited options.

    Robb: makes no sense at all and would alienate the whole fanbase.
    Joff: no sense, would eliminate the main villain for the next two seasons and would also impact the storylines of Cercei, Tyrion and Sansa, Stannis too much.
    Tywin: I hope not, because he keeps his kids in check (Cerceis marriage, Tyrions whoring, the trial etc.) and his death is too hilarious and fitting when it happens in the book.
    Marrilion: would not cut much stuff from season 3
    Greatjohn/Smalljohn: GJ does not die, SJ is too insignificant
    Karstark: would spoil an important step in maturing Robb
    Jorah: does not die, would eliminate his dynamic with Barristan
    Old Bear: Would spoil a lot of story from the next books, his death at Crasters is far more shocking than him being offed by a wight
    Berric: is a fan favourite and if you scrap his storyline, Catelyn’s return could not be explained satisfyingly (and his duel is way too cool to miss)
    Rast: possible, while not eliminating much storywise
    Roderik: dies in ACOK
    Renly: same
    Balon: same
    Hoster:IMO most likely, eliminates a lot of chapters, if his babbling should play a role in future books, you could have his last will be read or something like that. We just need his burial