HBO has released two clips from episode three of Game of Thrones, entitled Lord Snow. One is of Jon training with the Night’s Watch and the other is of a conversation between Jaime and Ned. Watch them, plus HBO’s preview of episode 3, right here (the more spoilery episode clips are after the break).
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ok, i’m not watching the previews.
Elena AmiciQuote Reply
+1
N E X TQuote Reply
Youtube links:
Jon scene: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fv9N85auu1k
Ned/Jaime scene: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=68KrOZgmXZw
LarsQuote Reply
Elena Amici,
Same goes foe me. I am joining the BwP!
AbyssQuote Reply
Excellent! Fantastic! Now the introductions are over, and the true storylines can begin :-)
TormodQuote Reply
Just seen the Jaime/Ned scene. Serial lurker here but after years had to pop out of the shadows just to say..
OMFG.
SingSongQuote Reply
Ok, I watched all that slew of previews which came out on Comcast slightly before the premiere, and also the episode 2 ones….ENOUGH! What are the words for the BwP vows? :P
Luca CorradiniQuote Reply
Ok, I’m week willed. I watched them all. The Jaime/Ned scene was excellent. I do hope though that they mention something about the Kingsguard’s oath before it though or else non-readers probably won’t understand why Ned hates Jaime so much for killing the Mad King.
QuantaQuote Reply
That Ned and Jaime scene is fantastic.
RamahQuote Reply
Wow, the Ned and Jaime scene. I don’t care if it isn’t like that in the book, that scene gave me the chills.
RegisQuote Reply
Okay, I am not watching the scenes but am reading the comments. Does that make me a part member of the BWP? Good to hear the Ned – Jaime scene is a good one, looking forward to this Sunday’s show!
persephone88Quote Reply
Off-Topic:
Here is another version of the GOT main theme. Not as brilliant as the other two if you ask me, but still very good.
AbyssQuote Reply
This is almost physically painful, but I’m joining the BwP.
What are the words of our oath? Because I need something to hold desperately on to.
Teresa NevesQuote Reply
With that scene, they’re building Jaime up to be much more likable much ahead of when he is in the books (around his POV).
Eric DeBruinQuote Reply
I get the thoughts about the oath of the kings guard, but what is the logical alternative? Kill Ned when he comes into the throne room to protect the king? What were they going to do with the King? They fought a rebellion to put him on trial? Someone had to kill him.
JoelQuote Reply
I love getting new scenes (Jaime/Ned one here is great) but it always makes me think how it will influence scenes later in the series.
AlecTrevQuote Reply
Anyone have a YouTube link to the main preview? That’s all I want to watch.
PranksterQuote Reply
Not gonna watch… only two days until the next episode…
Avalanche3319Quote Reply
Ask and ye shall recieve: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IUImCkli8Vs
(all you had to do is search YouTube for ‘Game of thrones episode 3′)
LarsQuote Reply
This oath might suffice.
The previews gather, and now my celibacy begins. It shall not end until the last episode has aired. I shall watch no trailers, nor no clips, read no scripts. I shall remain ignorant to the things seen by other weaker-willed men. I shall live and die at my post.
I am the reader of articles. I am the participant of discussions. I am the reviewer of episodes past, the ponderer of hidden messages, the resistor of temptations, the one who just scrolls down.
I pledge my life and honor to the Brotherhood without previews, for this season and all the seasons to come.
sjweningsQuote Reply
The Jaime/Ned scene was just terrific. I have to say that all the extra scenes I’ve seen so far have been some of the best in the show. I am hoping the writers recognize this and don’t feel too chained to the dialog in the book going forward. Sometimes rewriting is better than simply cutting things down. (I am not advocating here for them to just rework the plot or anything but if they can solidify their own voice for the show that isn’t just a truncated version of Martin I will be very pleased)
Eric JonesQuote Reply
The previews gather, and now my celibacy begins. It shall not end until the last episode has aired. I shall watch no trailers, nor no clips, read no scripts. I shall remain ignorant to the things seen by other weaker-willed men. I shall live and die at my post.
I am the reader of articles. I am the participant of discussions. I am the reviewer of episodes past, the ponderer of hidden messages, the resistor of temptations, the one who just scrolls down.
I pledge my life and honor to the Brotherhood without previews, for this season and all the seasons to come.
Ryan McCoyQuote Reply
I shall not watch, I shall not watch…………I want an unspoiled Monday night, I want an unspoiled Monday night……..
Aaaaaaaaaaaaaaah. I’m going now before I give in to temptation.
Samantha HirstQuote Reply
Proud new member of the BwP. Probably short-lived :)
Johan SporreQuote Reply
*kneels on one leg,bow down his head and put the right hand on the heart*
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“The previews gather, and now my celibacy begins. It shall not end until the last episode has aired. I shall watch no trailers, nor no clips, read no scripts. I shall remain ignorant to the things seen by other weaker-willed men. I shall live and die at my post.
I am the reader of articles. I am the participant of discussions. I am the reviewer of episodes past, the ponderer of hidden messages, the resistor of temptations, the one who just scrolls down.
I pledge my life and honor to the Brotherhood without previews, for this season and all the seasons to come.”
Luca CorradiniQuote Reply
THIS!!!!
ASTB
BwP
MiraxQuote Reply
I’ll put in spoilers for you BwP folks.
I think you’re right, Eric–this is a great way of showing on screen what we were treated to in th books: NO character is purely a villian or hero. After pushing Bran out the window, and his generally cocky demeanor, no viewer could like Jaime. This scene questions that feeling. It will leave viewers saying “wait, the Mad King killed Ned Stark’s brother and father, and Jaime killed the Mad King? Why isn’t Ned more grateful?” But at the same time, as Ned says, Jaime only acted when it was “safe” to do so. If nothing else, the viewer is allowed to see a sticky situation from both sides.
Sam DeGreeQuote Reply
Sam DeGree,
I wouldn’t really count this discussion as much of a preview. So probably no spoiler tags needed.
sjweningsQuote Reply
In the name of Robert, first of his name, Lord of the Seven Kingdoms, king of the Andals and the First Men, I, Lex, sentence this thread to die!
-BWP
LexQuote Reply
JON SNOW KICKS ASS! Give em hell ya little bastard! JON SNOWWW! *drinks*
Jaime’s constantly explaining/defending why he killed the Mad King. He’s gotta just give it a rest. You can’t wash your hands of that kind of blood. (I kinda… kinda feel bad for him as a human being, but I do not feel bad for Jaime Lannister, Kingslayer. If he was SO upset about the roasty-toasty, he woulda killed Aerys in front of those 500 assholes. But he wasn’t upset enough to forfeit his life for it, so NED IS RIGHT)
Ned is always right. Jaime est pussy.
Franny BeeQuote Reply
Previews are Spoilers
It is known
AlcibiadesQuote Reply
Another Tyrion smacking Joff video, this time dubbed to Led Zeppelin. Helping the BwP avoid temptation!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qYNeT2nzEgA
Ryan McCoyQuote Reply
The Previews gather and now my celi…. uhm….. now my …(ahem)
Okay, okay. Let me start that again:
The Previews gather and now my celibacy…
Screw that!
I watched ‘em. I shall continue to watch, or not, as my whim prevails.
In this case, I finally have Jon Snow kicking ass and taking names and being “Lord Snow”. YES!
Bring on Episode 03!!
Steel_WindQuote Reply
Very true. On the plus side, it may allow D&D to cut scenes from later seasons that establish points that are being explored early in season 1. There is a lot of internal dialogue in Jaime POVs later on that is expressed in this Jaime and Ned scene. The other benefit is that when we do get to those scenes in the books that gave us insight into Jaime’s motivations, we won’t feel as though he is abruptly acting out of character. Without the internal dialogue of Jaime’s POVs, his actions would otherwise appear to the viewer to be a very sudden change, as if the writers just decided “let’s make Jaime a good guy now to keep things interesting.”
Sam DeGreeQuote Reply
HAHAHAHAHA! I love Zeppelin, and I love Joff being smacked. What’s not to like?
LexQuote Reply
I can’t stop laughing… and I’m not even halfway through. I’m gonna watch the whole thing.
Seriously, this is the best video ever! Even the title is priceless:
“Tyrion Slaps Joffrey For 10 Minutes To Achilles Last Stand ”
LexQuote Reply
Joel,
It is not about killing Aerys as much as it is who killed him. By Eddard Stark standards Jaime broke his vow to protect king and royal family with his life. All other members of kingsguard upheld those vows, even Barristan who later bent the knee. Jaime killed his king while he was sworn to protect him. If someone else, like Mountain, Eddard or someone else killed Aerys while Jaime would be protecting the keep or Elia and kids nobody would blame him. But he killed him and let Lannisters sack the city.
But what bugs Eddard the most (in that he is similar to Stannis) is that Jaime dared to sit on throne after he killed the king. For Eddard world is simple, either you are good or bad and your actions define you. He does not care what were your intentions, but your actions.
AstalnarQuote Reply
These previews look great! Episode 2 was so much better than the pilot.. I have great hopes for ep 3 and beyond.
So many posts about abstaining from previews.. folks these scenes are only 3 minutes long total, out of ~60 minutes for the show. I personally think the enjoyment of a preview is great, and the amount of “spoiling” is nil. But, horses for courses.
BradQuote Reply
I admit I forsee a lot of BwP-deserters as we get to the previews/trailers for season 2.
Avoiding them nowadays, when we’re already seeing a whole episode a week, shouldn’t be too hard. But winter is coming. And with it, previews, previews, and more previews! Each more tempting than the previous.
sjweningsQuote Reply
Thank you!
The previews gather, and now my celibacy begins. It shall not end until the last episode has aired. I shall watch no trailers, nor no clips, read no scripts. I shall remain ignorant to the things seen by other weaker-willed men. I shall live and die at my post.
I am the reader of articles. I am the participant of discussions. I am the reviewer of episodes past, the ponderer of hidden messages, the resistor of temptations, the one who just scrolls down.
I pledge my life and honor to the Brotherhood Without Previews, for this season and all the seasons to come.
Teresa NevesQuote Reply
Regarding internal dialogue:
I am getting very worried about Sansa’s story in later seasons. How on earth are we going to be able to follow her? She has nobody to interact honestly with.
EleanorQuote Reply
As you might remember from the books (regarding Jaimes reasons for killing Aerys) – The Mad king had jars of wildfire planted all around(underground?) Kings Landing, and when he realised he was losing his crown he was going to burn the whole city. So Jaime had some very, very good reasons for killing him right then and there.
sjweningsQuote Reply
BwP- I admire your restraint, but OMFG NCW is nailing this shit! Both of these clips clearly demonstrate why this show rocks. NCW will be a international star one day. The eyes; the emoting; the ease of playing Jaime. And all this with a sense of what lies ahead.
And that night’s watch clip was spot on too.
All I can say is even with these “spoilers” the show is still awesome. I, like others, was a little comfortable with the pilot, but ep.2 knocked it out of the park even with the previews. Ep.3 will be just as good. . . Previews or not. 3min – 60min still = 57 minutes of GOT goodness.
vibesmootherQuote Reply
I’m proud of you. :)
LexQuote Reply
I have succeeded in not watching the previews! It wasn’t easy. I seem to have developed an uncontrollable twitch ( twitch!) and my cat now seems to think I’m crazy (twitch… er, crazier than I was).
I’m wondering if we’ll see Syrio this coming episode or have to wait until next week. I’m also wondering if Ser Rodrik and Lady Catelyn go via boat to King’s Landing, after that line about “the King’s Road being dangerous” delivered by Ser Rodrik last week. I’m guessing the trip itself will be cut out altogether.
LangkardQuote Reply
Someone has to watch, or the Others (those who don’t watch Game of Thrones at all, or think it’s crappy boys fiction) might cover all the land in ice with low ratings and cancelled seasons. We have to watch, and spread the good word of the Seven! no matter how tired they get hearing from us.
I recruited a potential reader and watcher today! By the old gods and the new I swear to watch every trailer, read every article, retweet every tweet, and convert as many to the Faith as possible!
Who is with me? Who will join the Warrior’s Sons? (those with HBO or legal alternative) Who will join the Poor Fellows? (those without HBO or legal alternative)
spacechampionQuote Reply
Astalnar, sjwenings
Thanks for the replies. Even without knowing any others reasons for Jamie’s behavior, it seems that the level of hostility by Ned is a bit hypocritical, since he himself was willing to break vows of fealty, though less weighty then the Kingsguard vows, AND was willing to sacrifice and kill thousands of people in a rebellion, which is much more weighty, in order to kill the same person.
Maybe this viewpoint is one intended by GRRM.
JoelQuote Reply
If someone reading this board is the person pretending to be a new viewer who is posting spoilers in the guise of speculation on the TWoP unspoilered thread, please stop. It’s not cute, it’s not funny, and you’re depriving some people of what makes this show so great.
I don’t know why, but all this spoilering by overzealous fans is really ticking me off these days.
ScottsdaleSamQuote Reply
Sam DeGree,
i agree. it seems a lot of changes are being made for the sake of later seasons, which i think is a good instinct. a spoilery prediction i have is that the hound is gonna kill the mountain at the hand’s tourney. that would get across a lot of the dynamic that in the book plays out in many many scenes, and i think D&D also want to scale Dorne way down. I don’t think they’ll do the Dorne chapters or even the Red Viper, that’s just way too much including everything else. so if they scale that stuff down, they have to (or may want to; who says the mountain has to die?) kill the mountain somewhere else. it may also be a much stronger hound beginning, might characterize him much more strongly earlier than the books.
LarryQuote Reply
Me too. I’ll never understand how some people can get such a thrill by ruining the experience for others. It’s beyond pathetic.
Avalanche3319Quote Reply
Larry,
That is possible, but I hope it is not true! the red viper is badass, and the fight with Gregor is probably one of the most looked-forward-to scenes from the books. Also, the fact that George apparently noted the change to D&D tells me it is a relatively minor character that bites the dust early; if it was someone major like Gregor, he likely wouldn’t have felt the need to point the change out to D&D, as it would be fairly obvious that they were conscious of the change.
Sam DeGreeQuote Reply
Langkard,
if you want to know, syrio is this week.
LarryQuote Reply
One hell of a tough decision…. but I’m joining the BwP!
Cristian Far ArnedoQuote Reply
Re: Gregor
I doubt Gregor dies since one of the most epic fights in the books(UnGregor vs. monk Hound) has yet to be written.
ScottsdaleSamQuote Reply
Sam DeGree,
yeah, the fight is badass, everything about it and surrounding it. we need more spear fighting in film/tv. go watch hidden fortress.
LarryQuote Reply
ScottsdaleSam,
how do you unlock alternate costumes?
LarryQuote Reply
The previews gather, and now my celibacy begins. It shall not end until the last episode has aired. I shall watch no trailers, nor no clips, read no scripts. I shall remain ignorant to the things seen by other weaker-willed men. I shall live and die at my post.
I am the reader of articles. I am the participant of discussions. I am the reviewer of episodes past, the ponderer of hidden messages, the resistor of temptations, the one who just scrolls down.
I pledge my life and honor to the Brotherhood Without Previews, for this season and all the seasons to come.
sjwenings, I toss a stale cracker into the barrel, signifying my vote for you as my Lord Commander.
In my book, you’ll always be lcsjwenings now.
McKeeQuote Reply
Not reading comments. Just coming by per my duty as a Knight of House Gatewatch and of the Brotherhood without Previews.
Do not despoil yourself! Watching scenes now takes away from the awesomeness of first viewings.
Be strong! Hold! Hold!
Hollyoak
House Gatewatch
Brotherhood without Previews
Team Sansa Supporter
Supporting Bottoms since, um, the phrase was discovered
HollyoakQuote Reply
LOL! The one who just scrolls down.
Yes. Long live the BWP!
HollyoakQuote Reply
Ok….I can’t take it anymore either…no more previews for me…BWP…you have yourselves another member….until the season 2 previews anyways :)….
coltaine777Quote Reply
What’s up with Joffrey in the Ep3 trailer? Seize Winterfell? Wtf?
RutepQuote Reply
You’ve convinced me. I’m in!
Adam WingQuote Reply
Very nice. But, just in case you missed my gaff earlier this week or late last week, the scripts are only “unofficial” “speculation.” *sticking tongue out at FaBio*
“…the one who just scrolls down.” Great stuff.
Now, pardon me while I scroll on down to HBO Go, not watch any GoT previews but, instead, watch past episodes of The Wire.
BwP — it’s a way of life.
Mike ChairQuote Reply
That Sean Bean he can sure act his . . uh . . butt off. There is some really excellent conflict between the characters and actors. An excellent scene. I confess to feeling some slight empathy for the Kingslayer. Eddard Stark is a cold, cold man.
Larry D CurtisQuote Reply
It is misleading editing… Just like the episode 2 preview made it sound like Bran was killed. I’m sure Joffrey is just musing over what he would like to do when he is king.
LarsQuote Reply
OK – Ned & Jaime scene – what does Ned say at the end? I’ve listened to the line 20 times and I can’t understand what he’s saying.
scribbaQuote Reply
Larry,
Oh hell no. For one thing without Gregor’s gang Arya loses way too many names to say into her pillow, and then you don’t get Qyburn’s Frankenstein Mountain.
Steven SwansonQuote Reply
sjwenings
Another long-time lurker here, convinced to step out of the shadows briefly to take my vows:
The previews gather, and now my celibacy begins. It shall not end until the last episode has aired. I shall watch no trailers, nor no clips, read no scripts. I shall remain ignorant to the things seen by other weaker-willed men. I shall live and die at my post.
I am the reader of articles. I am the participant of discussions. I am the reviewer of episodes past, the ponderer of hidden messages, the resistor of temptations, the one who just scrolls down.
I pledge my life and honor to the Brotherhood without previews, for this season and all the seasons to come.
And so my watch–or lack thereof–begins.
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– Hot Pie, BwP
Hot PieQuote Reply
Steven Swanson,
Maybe I’m wrong, but didn’t Conan Stevens say in one of his blog posts the second season greenlight meant more work for him?
Avalanche3319Quote Reply
Avalanche3319,
You’re not wrong, I saw that too.
Steven SwansonQuote Reply
yes, i’m proud of myself too :D
ok. i swear it.
how long do you think i’m gonna last? ;)
Elena AmiciQuote Reply
Okay! My Episode 2 recap is now up over on http://www.lordnedsheadlines.blogspot.com/. I’m really starting to gain respect for WiC, FaBio and everyone else who makes this site what it is! Its alot of work!
Thanks Purple Jilly for becoming my first follower! Rofl. I really don’t intend this blog to be much more than a personal writing excercise, but knowing that someone out there is reading it makes it easier to finish! I guess ya gotta start somewhere!Anyway, go check it out. I hope you like!
Question. Is there anyway to see how many people have viewed your blog posts? I know where the follower area is, but I’m trying to see how many are just looking ;P
LordNedsHeadQuote Reply
And I’m in the boycott the clips camp for the rest of the season. I will watch the “next on” previews, but not the sample scenes. They are starting to give away more than…well more than a GRRM sample reading at Leprecon!
LordNedsHeadQuote Reply
LordNedsHead,
BACK on the king’s road again. come on, please, edit it :D
Elena AmiciQuote Reply
Elena Amici,
hehe I am by no means suggesting that tehre aren’t possibly some editing mistakes in there, but I did take quite a bit of time to proof this recap. The last one got done right under the wire (right before ep 2 started) so I didn’t have any time for it.
The title is a spoof of Willie’s “On the Road Again!” ;P
LordNedsHeadQuote Reply
No NONO! We aren’t supposed to find that out about Jamie till book 3.
JonSnowQuote Reply
LordNedsHead,
ok, nevermind. i thought it was this song here
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Dva8aVJH8uE
:D
Elena AmiciQuote Reply
NCW FTW. He is quickly becoming my favorite actor in this show. And this is from someone whom book Jaime didn’t leave much of an impression on. (Only read GOT so far, but he really doesn’t stand out much). There’s a lot of nuance and depth that NCW is giving the performance, and all of the added material for the character has been a really interesting choice as well. His smugness, almost a self righteousness in that he acts in the only way he could conceive to act, makes every scene with him gripping.
salukQuote Reply
Ok, overall I’m very pleased, but to anyone else who’s not in the BWP:
Is no one else annoyed they changed the line about “The King eats and the Hand takes the s***?”
SwiftQuote Reply
Another longtime lurker here.
The previews gather, and now my celibacy begins. It shall not end until the last episode has aired. I shall watch no trailers, nor no clips, read no scripts. I shall remain ignorant to the things seen by other weaker-willed men. I shall live and die at my post.
I am the reader of articles. I am the participant of discussions. I am the reviewer of episodes past, the ponderer of hidden messages, the resistor of temptations, the one who just scrolls down.
I pledge my life and honor to the Brotherhood Without Previews, for this season and all the seasons to come.
And down and down I scroll….
Adrian FokQuote Reply
Swift,
i like the show line much better. much tighter.
LarryQuote Reply
at least!
kingslayer is in
jaybeQuote Reply
I like the change. It’s wittier, imo. Still scatological, but scans better. When you shit, what does your Hand do? It wipes… boom boom :D
I’m more worried about NCW. Not his acting, which is exemplary, but his accent. It can sometimes wander the wrong side of Nordic, which I find a little distracting. Not majorly so, and seeing him in these isolated scenes emphasises it somewhat, but I hope it settles down later.
EvilPicnicQuote Reply
I have a slightly spoilery question. In an earlier preview or maybe something I read about the show, Robert at one point makes a sarcastic remark to Jamie about “What did the mad king think when you stabbed him in the back?” and I also remember reading a Jaime retort somewhere about him saying he was thinking about his spear going through Aerys’s guts. I swear I am not dreaming this but…in the books I thought Jaime slit Aerys’s throat. Stabbed him in the back? I am hoping that is metaphor, because I really never saw Jaime as a coward who would sneak in and stab Aerys from behind. Thoughts?
persephone88Quote Reply
I can understand when people who didn’t read the books don’t watch the previews. But I’ve read the books twice, hardly anything in the previews will surprise me …
Alexander DubrovskyQuote Reply
persephone88,
As far as I can remember, there’s a few different accounts of it. In his Tower of Joy dream Ned says “Ser Jaime slew your king with a golden sword,” but I distinctly remember mentions of spears and throat cutting as well.
AdrianQuote Reply
I just went and looked it up (ASoS: chapter 11) Jaime tells Aerys that it is Rossart’s blood on his sword; ‘Those purple eyes grew huge then, and the royal mouth drooped open in shock. He lost control of his bowels, turned, and ran for the Iron Throne. Beneath the empty eyes of the skulls on the walls, Jaime hauled the last dragonking bodily off the steps, squealing like a pig and smelling like a privy. A single slash across his throat was all it took to end it.’
As Aerys was trying to escape, the throat-cutting was probably done from behind. If we can trust Jaime’s memory (and why not?) that’s how it went down in the books.
In that clip I would assume Ned and Jaime are discussing ‘stabbing in the belly’ and ‘stabbing in the back’ not in a literal sense (I doubt Ned gives two shits about how Jaime killed Aerys) but as a euphemism for ‘killing with/without honour’. That’s how I would read the scene anyway.
EvilPicnicQuote Reply
In case anyone missed it, here is an interview with Kristian Nairn where he discusses Game of Thrones, World of Warcraft, etc.
http://wow.joystiq.com/2011/04/28/15-minutes-of-fame-azeroth-to-westeros-with-game-of-thrones-kr/
Argilac the ArrogantQuote Reply
lol
The DarkStarQuote Reply
Off-Topc:
A very cool Heavy (Metal) version of the Game of Thrones theme.
AbyssQuote Reply
Win! Impressive stuff!
sjweningsQuote Reply
Ned and Jaime have this AMAZING ‘enemy’ chemistry. It totally gives more credibility to the C + N = J rumors. Ned n Jaime just crackle with electric hatred. It’s amazing.
And weird, why does Cersei look mad the whole time Jaime is telling her what dramatic acts he’d do for her? Guess we;ll find out – you’d think a speech like that would earn a smile of pride from Cersei. not glowering..
purplejillyQuote Reply
Adrian Fok,
excellent oath!!!!!!! But Im not taking it. for I am weak..
purplejillyQuote Reply
LordNedsHead,
i think for most blogs you can find a ‘widget’ or something that will tell you how many views you have. Some of them have it in the admin back end, some you have to install a counter or a widget or something. I’m happy to follow your blog and support the bottom!! You did a lof of good writing there – going over to check out the new post now!!
purplejillyQuote Reply
purplejilly,
Thanks Jilly, I found it under gadgets last night =)
LordNedsHeadQuote Reply
I simply love these new scenes!
Thing is, it’s a show, which is, obviously, us watching the books played out; because of this, we don’t get opportunity to hear/read the characters thoughts. If we watched a direct translation of the books to the screen, all we would see are actions and little or no reasoning, but these scenes flesh out exactly what we book-readers, well, read!
Absolutely love it.
TylerCQuote Reply
I, on the other hand quite enjoy any accent that isnt so directly English, since, well… Songs were not meant to be a british/english fantasy. In that sense anything that deviates from that and makes the setting feel more “foreign” and removed from everyday life sounds good to me.
The Smiling KnightQuote Reply
Nice censorship on this site, I’ll be sure to only post my OPINION when it falls under popular consensus.
Michael ParkerQuote Reply
Michael Parker,
I visit this site for a long time now, and believe me when I tell you that there is no censorship of opinions here. Try to post it again. ;-)
AbyssQuote Reply
I agree with you about accent variety being a good thing. I think the use of northern (english) accents by the Starks but the courtly folks being closer to RP works really well at establishing place, and it would be great to have other places thus characterised. I am very much looking forward to hearing a certain Braavosi accent! :D
My only gripe (and it is very minor, mostly it’s fine) is consistency; you would expect the Lannister clan to have mostly identical accents to each other, but Jaime sticks out slightly. That’s all.
As for ‘british/english fantasy’… I’m not sure what you mean by that, but it is certainly true that GRRM uses a lot of British/English history as inspiration for events in his novels. I’m not sure you can escape some inherent ‘britishness’ remaining.
EvilPicnicQuote Reply
???
EvilPicnicQuote Reply
That’s just awesome.
Avalanche3319Quote Reply
Your opinion was “Hey everyone, shut up!” and you’re surprised it was unpopular? Go back to lurking.
LexQuote Reply
A couple of my posts where deleted as well just now. I can only imagine that some of my words triggered some automatic response. Or maybe my intentions where not understood. In no way was I trying to be offensive (more like funny). Anyway no problem. I would rather this site were moderated on the safe side than very loosely. We fans are prone to arguments and things can get ugly very fast and I really like a friendly atmosphere (like we have here). The things I said weren’t that important anyway.
DahnQuote Reply
It’s a matter of obsessiveness. We all (most of us) have read the books, so we do know the storyline. The BWP believes that by watching new scenes online and the “Next on Game of Thrones” clips, we are watering down the experience of seeing it fresh for the first time in the episode. Obsessive, I know. But I truly believe, from past shows, that the “Next on” previews show too much. I want my first glimpse of Sir Loras and Lysa Tully and the Eyrie, and other things to be seen during the episode, not in a trailer or clip.
Hollyoak
House Gatewatch
Brotherhood without Previews
Team Sansa Supporter
Supporting Bottoms since, um, the phrase was discovered
HollyoakQuote Reply
Off-Topic:
The script of the pilot is available at scriptfly.com. You have type “Game of Thrones” into the search box to see the actual entry.
I have never heard of the site, but it looks legitimate to me.
AbyssQuote Reply
Abyss,
And by available you mean $15. Ah well. Probably not worth it just to find out what the hell Robb was mumbling about why they were being prettied up.
EleanorQuote Reply
Eleanor,
Yeah, it’s overpriced… but available. ;-)
AbyssQuote Reply
I guess that would be the “official” “non-speculative” script. I wouldn’t know the difference.
Mike ChairQuote Reply
Brilliant but I’m still not joining. I looked at those clips without a second thought or even first thought of BwP.
BroQuote Reply
I think wouldn’t say that explaining it twice in the books – once when he’s dead drunk – and even then he never tells Catelyn that Aerys was going to blow up King’s Landing – and once when he’s almost died and still has a high fever from an infection. I don’t see that as “constantly” explaining. This scene with Ned seems totally out of character for Jaime and it makes Ned look somewhat unsympathetic too. What he seems to be asking of Jaime is that he should have died in an undoubtedly futile attempt to save the Starks – I guess Ned would have respected that? It seems a bit much to expect Jaime to risk his own life for two people who were strangers to him! Maybe in the context of the whole episode it will work better, but right now, it just strikes me as a clumsy way to recreate Book!Ned’s dismay at finding Jaime on the Iron Throne – a dismay that even Robert dismisses as ridiculous!
Regina ThorneQuote Reply
Abyss,
Wow, thanks. Any word on whether or not this is the shooting script, or the original pilot script that’s available elsewhere?
ZachQuote Reply
Zach,
I would guess that’s the shooting script, because of the date (2011), but I don’t know for sure. But if you ask me it would be very weird to sell a leaked script.
AbyssQuote Reply
You’re gonna watch the episode six times before next week anyway.
This no previews thing smacks of “Now that millions of people have been exposed to *our special thing,* we need to find a NEW way to feel exclusive.”
Feel free to disagree, but that’s how I feel.
ASTB
KGQuote Reply
Since english, norhtern or any other accent is completely fake in Songs of Ice and Fire (since its not happening in britain) differences with accents are quite the secondary concern, if that.
And as far as British language or dialects is concerned it is something that has started to really, really annoy me in the last decade or so since it seems that ALL fantasy for some reason ends up as if it is British.
Now if the author was in fact British and he wrote about a setting thats happening in Britain or is heavily based on Britain- i wouldn’t mind. But even games that have nothing to do with Britain in any way end up with bloody British voiceovers.
Dont even mention the obnoxious cliche of “dwarves” speaking in Scotish/English accent to me… i still cant forget the Dungeons and Dragons atrocity Gimli got turned into in that awful thing Jackson did with The Lord of the Rings.
(yeah, yeah, it was awesome because billions of people gave money to see it, whatever, dont get me started on that one)
Of course i know that Martin took some inspiration from historic events but that does not make Songs a fantasy world related to Britain in any way.
There is nothing inherently British in Songs at all.
Yes, they seem to have hired mostly British actors and its natural they will use their own language etc etc… but it just annoys the hell out of me.
Jaimes language or accent is a breath of fresh air to me.
If there is any discrepancy its because Tyrion for some strange reason is talking funny, not Jaime!
Somebody should spank it out of him!
Also, Milosh promised he tried his very best to get that specific accent right. I just hope they havent cut out many of those awesome lines Syrio has.
And it better not turn out to be cockney or something because i will be like : “NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!”
The Smiling KnightQuote Reply
sorry, Miltosh – not Milosh.
The Smiling KnightQuote Reply
For me, that’s not it at all. I seriously dislike previews and trailers, for ALL shows and movies, not just GoT. It just ruins the experience for me.
When we still had to wait nearly a year, I couldn’t resist… but now I just don’t see any good reason to watch these scenes.
LexQuote Reply
Lex,
As someone who drives my wife crazy by pausing the TV and running out of the room before the “Next On” feature – on ANY show – I have to side with Lex here.
I don’t see why it would have anything to do with trying to feel exclusive… at all.
KG, mark me disagreeable :)
ChrisQuote Reply
Mate, you obviously care about this subject a lot more than I do. Although using English would make more sense to me given some of the sources GRRM uses (and that it’s a US-made production), I don’t particularly mind if the accent is English or not, hell, in my head the Ironborn sound Scandinavian and the Braavosi sound vaguely Greek.
My only (very minor) points were that a) I like that they’re using regional dialects to distinguish between certain areas, and b) that Jaime’s accent should be pretty much identical to Cersei’s (whatever language they’re speaking), but NCW doesn’t always achieve this.
EvilPicnicQuote Reply
I have to say I agree with the people that are a little annoyed at the BwP people in this thread. If you don’t want to watch previews that is fine. More power to you. But don’t post in the thread that is entirely dedicated to previews. Just don’t open the preview thread. You don’t have to comment on every post. It is that simple.
GeckoQuote Reply
LordNedsHead,
Do I spy a fellow Irish geek?
EleanorQuote Reply
Well, to be fair, where else would they comment on it? A Preview Thead is where they mention that they don’t watch previews. Isn’t it? I mean, there are no “Don’t Watch Preview” threads.
That said, I feel your pain and I’m a little tired of it, too – but it’s no big deal.
EdQuote Reply
I just want to be surprised now…
coltaine777Quote Reply
i want to know what the preview is about :D
Elena AmiciQuote Reply
Gecko,
I agree. It’s obnoxious, and it’s getting old.
EricQuote Reply
I could be wrong here, but i believe episode 5 will start the ‘must see’ part of the show for non-readers. When i was reading the book i made it a few hundred pages into the book and still wasnt hooked, and then all of a sudden maybe 400 or 450 pgs into the book i just couldnt put it down
Cawk GawdQuote Reply
Although it’s bad enough to see Hot Pie sign the pledge, at least Dolorous Edd has resisted; if he’s going to avoid career suicide, he’ll need all the advance info he can get.
DH87Quote Reply
Eleanor,
Alas! I’m not from the Emerald Isle or South Bend Indiana. I’m a Pennsylvania boy shriveling up out in the great southwest.
Out of curiosity, what made you think I was Irish?
LordNedsHeadQuote Reply
Playing around with my blogspot gadjets, I just put up a silly poll regarding episode 2. Feel free to check it out and vote for your favorite Game of Thrones Impressionist!
http://www.lordnedsheadlines.blogspot.com
Can you tell I am home alone and bored atm? ;P
LordNedsHeadQuote Reply
Well, Gecko, I suppose you’re entitled to your own opinion. Considering that fact that your only post in this thread was complaining about others posting in this thread, perhaps you could explain to us all just what you’ve contributed to the discussion in this thread you claim is only for discussing the previews? Pot meet the Kettle.
LangkardQuote Reply
People having a little fun (admittedly) overuse a joke a bit.
This obviously means were struggling with an inferiority complex and desperately need to feel special.
Ryan McCoyQuote Reply
After all the “gates”, excessive nitpicking, paranoia and panic over ratings, arguments over politics, the BwP is suddenly too much? Lighten up, people! :)
LexQuote Reply
Gecko,
Yeh, it’s tiresome by this point, and I hope it doesn’t become the norm for half of the comments in every inevitable previews thread to be informing others they don’t plan to watch. If I’m interested in a movie, I partake in discussions about it. Normally, if I don’t plan on watching it, though, I refrain. One can infer from someone’s silence in a thread that they weren’t interested. Disinterest is only annoying when others are beat over the head with it.
That said, it’s not a huge deal, and I don’t need to say anything else…
ZackQuote Reply
Zack,
I don’t think there were will be alot of it in the future. Most people are sensible and will stop now that a sizable amount have said they find our bit of fun bothersome.
Ryan McCoyQuote Reply
Ryan McCoy,
Well…bah, not bothersome, really. (IMO–perhaps others are more concerned with it than I am. I was just chiming in because others were…)
I chuckled at the whole thing for awhile, and the reasoning behind it is sound. It’s just slightly worn out by now :)
People say “Well, you know the books. Why are you concerned with spoilers?” forgetting that a good number of preview clips we’ve seen so far have in fact featured scenes not in the book at all. And if people want to have their initial experience unspoiled, who can blame them? After all, the repetition of some of the early bits from the trailers certainly dampened my own reaction to the first episode. So count me as someone who quietly supports your cause.
ZackQuote Reply
I think the point is everyone experiences things differently. For some people, foreknowledge lessens the experience, while for others, like me, it makes it better. I live on the hype man, and when i see something familiar in the show, I go “hey, I know this part!” in a good way, rather than “ah the part I know, how boring.” If it wasn’t an adaption it would be different I think, I tend to not follow the “next on” with other shows. But here I WANT to be a part of the translation process, and starting to think about how they changed things before I see it in context is really helpful to me for that.
But I’m all for the BwP! Even though I am not a part of the brotherhood, the fact that the show is actually currently running now, rather than looming in the distance, does make me pause before viewing previews longer than I would have before. Not because I’m afraid to be spoiled, but because I don’t really care that much, knowing I’ll see it soon enough. It’s not like when we had a single screenshot to tide us over for 4 months. Oh gods…
Re: fantasy = british accent. I think that notion evolved along with the genre, in a similar fashion to how accents evolve in the first place. With ice and fire being, mostly, within that genre (even parodies belong in the genre they parody), it fits right along with that evolution. Many of the original fantasy stories that had an influence on the genre WERE in fact british. Especially the big one, JRRT’s created british mythical history. It doesn’t get much more british than that. Take a pseudo british history as an influence; place it in a pseudo british genre, with a strong history of cultural influence; and even if it is written by an American writer, it’s going to be hard to not see the british in it. It’s even worse with tv/movie versions, once the “fantasy=british” trope started there, it set the definition.
They may have had a chance to go against type here, but considering the source material, little reason to. It doesn’t immediately make you think, “hmm, not british at all”. In fact quite the opposite, especially considering all of the connotations that align here. And since this is the direction they went, it’s kind of a moot point now.
salukQuote Reply
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http://www.thesmokinggun.com/buster/domestic-abuse/man-battered-kin-over-hbos-game-thrones-780215
Dave BrownellQuote Reply
Ryan McCoy,
I’m touched that my opinion carries so much weight. Do whatcha want; knock yourselves out. Just be aware of an elitist undercurrent. That might not bother you, but it would drive me nuts.
KGQuote Reply
The BwP is not “elitist” nor is it “exclusive” as you mentioned earlier. All are welcome.
The BwP folks have the right to express their opinions that watching the previews lessens the experience of watching the episode for the first time. The BwP also have the right to recruit new members, so to speak, by making themselves and their stated purpose known to prospective members — people who may be on the fence regarding the preview issue.
There is no place better to do that than in a preview thread.
These posts should encourage the free and robust exchange of ideas. The BwP’s opinions are honest, submitted in good faith and are within the spirit and scope of this post.
The manner in which an opinion is expressed is inextricable from the thought itself. Giving those sharing the idea a name — BwP, creating a GRRM style oath, using signature lines, and other histrionics are typical and legitimate ways of inserting passion into a position.
It’s not that your “opinion carries so much weight”, KG. It’s that you’re attributing some ulterior motive to ours.
The notion that people should keep their opinions to themselves in a place designed for expression is not simple, Gecko, it’s counterintuitive.
Mike ChairQuote Reply
I don’t think this whole BwP thing is intended to feel exclusive. It is just a statement of personal preference in a geeky way. If you are a roleplayer at heart these things come natural to you. People could as well claim they are member of the “monks with strong resolutions” (for those who want to but can’t always resist the temptation to watch) or the “dornish snakes with a thousand eyes” (for those who are determined to watch and read everything they can as soon as possible). Of course you can extend it to other subjects. There’s the “faceless in the dark” (for those who like to watch alone with the lights out), the “exiled bears” (for those who live in a country where GoT hasn’t been sold yet) etc etc. You could say that house Gatewatch has a lot of factions.
But a warning is correct. Already some people are annoyed with it. If the different factions of house gatewatch profile themselves more prominently fruit and vegetables will be thrown. Demands will rise to know what faction FaB belongs to and before you know it we have a power struggle within house Gatewatch.
Seriously it is just some wordplay with little actual meaning. But apparently that joke isn’t funny anymore. No problem.
Always support the bottom!
DahnQuote Reply
must… resist…. watching….. damnit!
oenoneQuote Reply
****SPOILERS****
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People were speculating here about which character GRRM was refering to as dying earlier in the show than in the books.
I think its Roderick Cassel. There’s not many characters that die in season 2 or 3 that are cast yet, whose early deaths would make no difference to the plot.
Ser Roderick has alot to do in season 1, but then pretty much nothing until his death in season 3 during the sack of Winterfell. I’m guessing they kill him in season 1, perhaps he dies during the fight with the mountain clans on the way to the Eyrie.
****SPOILERS****
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Dolorous DaveQuote Reply
God, people must be bored to death to even be talking about the merits of a silly little game we invented here on the boards. Good, Lord, get a grip.
PROUD MEMBER OF BROTHERHOOD WITHOUT PREVIEWS.
It’s a joke. Get it? It’s a bit of silliness. A goof. It’s not… real.
And what’s the harm in coming to WiC and having to read a few posts with people saying they are not watching?
How does that distract one from enjoying and talking about what was in the preview or clip with others who have also seen it?
HollyoakQuote Reply
Dolorous Dave,
I had considered your theory also, and it makes sense in a lot of ways. However, according to Tower of the Hand (I don’t have my CoK handy), Rodrick dies at the end of A Clash of Kings, not a Storm of Swords.
http://www.towerofthehand.com/reference/k/00063/index.html
Sam DeGreeQuote Reply
Everybody likes jokes. Some people just have lower tolerance for hearing the same joke over and over than others do. It’s like when you visit your grandpa and he always goes back to his same bag of jokes, and you have to smile politely…
and I’ve definitely started skimming the posts in this thread, rather than spending time reading all the comments, because it gets to be a waste of time reading the same general thing over and over and over. I’d like to be able to actually fully read the thread.
ZackQuote Reply
I hear where you’re coming from, Zack.
HollyoakQuote Reply
Joel,
the kingsguard swore a specific oath to die for and protect the king. That is a huge difference between those who rise up against the king in rebellion.
mike mcgarveyQuote Reply
I missed this post until now. But it makes a lot of sense, and I have to give kudos to the scriptwriters for thinking of how best to get around the POV structure and keep all the character development feeling natural. I’m not at all opposed to fleshing out the characters early.
ZackQuote Reply
The problem is that the whole BwP has become spamming at this point, its boring to have to scroll looking for posts that are talking about the previews at hand, you are pretty much saying ” no comments” , it gets old fast.
About the previews i like both very much, powerful stuff all around.
Ps. English is not my first language, sorry for bad spelling or anything.
André LuizQuote Reply
Right now, the spamming (if any) actually consists of complaining/discussion about BwP posts.
Oops! I spammed too!
sjweningsQuote Reply
All these complaints are just silly. It’s just people having fun. Sheesh.
Now, I’m complaining about the complaining!
Stephen BerryQuote Reply
I know, unfortunately it has became almost a standard and it really got out of hand.
I may be wrong but i strongly disagree that Martin intentionally made the Song “british” in any way.
He took inspiration for some plot narrations and threads from history – that happened to be British, he took others from history of other countries. Its just an inspiration – not something translated directly with elicit intention to make the story “british”.
I think such things annoy me most of all because they move something that is supposed to be strange, otherworldly, fantastical to something that is connected to our own world too much – and i dont like it.
To be more precise: Im not reading and enjoying the Songs because of similarities or connections to our reality and events. I dont care for the war of Roses at all.
I read it because of the Starks, daenerys, Tyrion, Littlefinger, Lanisters and so on and so on.
So…yeah!
The Smiling KnightQuote Reply
Mike Chair:
Poor baby. I rained on your spam parade. Sorry.
KGQuote Reply
It just seems like now that the show is actually out now, there isn’t really a need to go chasing after every available clip, since we’re going to see more every sunday anyway. Plus, it is true that all these clips are wearing me out, and I’d rather come to each episode fresh on sunday night, and feed my numerous other obsessions through the rest of the week.
Thus, I hereby join the Brotherhood Without Previews:
The previews gather, and now my celibacy begins. It shall not end until the last episode has aired. I shall watch no trailers, nor no clips, read no scripts. I shall remain ignorant to the things seen by other weaker-willed men. I shall live and die at my post.
I am the reader of articles. I am the participant of discussions. I am the reviewer of episodes past, the ponderer of hidden messages, the resistor of temptations, the one who just scrolls down.
I pledge my life and honor to the Brotherhood without previews, for this season and all the seasons to come.
RedLotusAlchemistQuote Reply