Quick Hits: Opening theme covers, interviews and podcasts
By Winter Is Coming on in Merchandise, Press, Recap.

As we gear up for episode three, here are some small news items from around the web:

  • The covers of the opening theme music continue, with two new heavy metal versions popping up, one from Arnold Nesis and the other from White Noise Lab.
  • Kristian Nairn (Hodor!) has been busy with interviews, as he recently appeared on the YoGPoD podcast and was interviewed at WoW Insider.
  • Some more interviews: Kit Harington for TV Guide (both print and video) and AOL TV UK has a collection of video interviews.
  • Essayist and author Pearson Moore has written a series of essays on Game of Thrones that have been compiled into an ebook entitled “Direwolves and Dragons.”
  • Conan Stevens (Gregor Clegane) has a new blog post about torrenting, in response to some of the discussion here and elsewhere.
  • The HBO Shop has added a couple, cool new items: a poster map of Westeros and a “Stick ‘Em with the Pointy End” t-shirt!
  • Weekly podcast recaps of Game of Thrones are starting to pop up, here are a few that I don’t think we’ve mentioned before and may be worth a listen: Boomtron, Sword and Laser, MTV Geek (this last one also features Elio and Linda from Westeros.org).
  • Speaking of weekly recaps, I’ve been enjoying Sky Atlantic’s Thronecast series. (This one also features Elio and Linda — man, these two are everywhere!) Basically they breakdown each weeks’ episode, while also highlighting a particular family and playing a few snippets of an exclusive cast member interview (Mark Addy and Nikolaj Coster-Waldau have been interviewed, so far).

98 Comments

  1. Knurk
    Posted May 1, 2011 at 11:43 am | Permalink

    Anyone else watched the new Harry Potter trailer and thought when Voldemort said: “Harry Potter, you fought valiantly,” he would follow it up with “you fought nobly, you fought honorably. And now you die.”

    BTW: the Conan-blog post was already mentioned in the last quick-hits post.

  2. Knurk
    Posted May 1, 2011 at 11:56 am | Permalink

    Knurk,

    shame on me, the Conan-post is a new one!

  3. EvilPicnic
    Posted May 1, 2011 at 12:20 pm | Permalink

    Although the ‘Needle’ t-shirt is there, the poster doesn’t seem to be up on the HBO UK shop yet. :-(

  4. War Blogger
    Posted May 1, 2011 at 12:24 pm | Permalink

    I understand Conan’s legitimate concerns, but at least for me all I can say is this: I don’t own a TV. I don’t have a TV connection. I download the stuff I like to watch, and if it is good, I’ll buy the DVD sets, as I did with HBO’s Rome & Deadwood. In fact, I’ve probably never bought as many DVD’s and CD’s as I’ve done after torrents became the norm. Some call that piracy. I look at my shelf full of bought-after-the-fact original DVD boxes and CD cases and call it legitimate customer quality control.

  5. Lex
    Posted May 1, 2011 at 1:01 pm | Permalink

    Conan makes good points, and I appreciate hearing things from an actor’s perspective. I like that guy! (Can’t wait for his episode, when is it? This week? Next week?).

  6. Nagor
    Posted May 1, 2011 at 1:07 pm | Permalink

    I like the version with the metal and original opening…

  7. Zack
    Posted May 1, 2011 at 1:10 pm | Permalink

    Another thing people should be aware of: GRRM stopped by the HBO store in NYC and signed all the books in stock. Up til now I had only read them on my Kindle, so I went down and got all 4, signed, for about $40 total.

    :D

  8. Steve
    Posted May 1, 2011 at 1:25 pm | Permalink

    Some of those podscasts such as the Boomtron one are horrible.

  9. Mirax
    Posted May 1, 2011 at 1:35 pm | Permalink

    I would totally buy a Needle t-shirt IF they had it available in women’s, not just men’s. Also, I’m really hoping that after we see the Night’s Watch rather than just hearing about it, we’ll get a shirt for them, too.

  10. Saso Alauf
    Posted May 1, 2011 at 2:13 pm | Permalink

    he’d be a great judge dredd :)

  11. Mirax
    Posted May 1, 2011 at 2:21 pm | Permalink

    I really appreciated Conan’s second post. I thought his first post, while very informative, seemed a bit preachy even though that wasn’t his intent. IMO, this one shows that he understands why people do it, how it can work to get actors’ names and movies out, but also how it can be detrimental to those who are trying to get their careers up and going.

    It also shows that he keeps a close eye on us, and as a fan, that’s so awesome! I love it when the actors post and/or admit that they come to this site to check things out on occasion. Makes the fangirl in me feel just that much more connected. :D

  12. Zack
    Posted May 1, 2011 at 2:33 pm | Permalink

    Mirax,

    I agree. It’s becoming increasingly unnecessary to resort to torrent sites with Netflix offering so much on demand as well as by mail. That’s how piracy can be combatted: by offering the consumer a mixture of value, convenience and simplicity that piracy can’t match. Higher-ups might have to get used to decreasing profit margins, but when there is no physical product, the “supply” part of Supply and Demand is broken, and the old rules no longer apply.

    That said, it’s hard to find any fault with Conan’s statements. He seems to get that it’s an issue of greys, and not black & white. Within a few years I do hope HBO is able to offer its currently airing shows as downloads, but I understand that it’s not feasible at the moment.

  13. Tre Svatek
    Posted May 1, 2011 at 2:35 pm | Permalink

    On the topic of the HBO store, why isn’t a Stark Keychain available. I know they have made them, as they have been posted on here before, but for whatever reason, they are not for sale on the website, but Baratheon, Greyjoy and Lannister ones are!

    I want me a Stark keychain!

  14. Lex
    Posted May 1, 2011 at 2:37 pm | Permalink

    Mirax:

    It also shows that he keeps a close eye on us, and as a fan, that’s so awesome!I love it when the actors post and/or admit that they come to this site to check things out on occasion.Makes the fangirl in me feel just that much more connected.

    The Mountain is watching you! :)

    Conan was the first cast member to ever comment on here, a long time ago (when he first got cast in the role). Him and Miltos are awesome for keeping in touch with the fans.

  15. Damryn of Dorne
    Posted May 1, 2011 at 2:56 pm | Permalink
  16. Mirax
    Posted May 1, 2011 at 2:59 pm | Permalink

    Lex: The Mountain is watching you!

    Of course, when you put it like that, it’s a bit scary, too!

  17. GaR
    Posted May 1, 2011 at 3:02 pm | Permalink

    And again Conan ignores the arguments of thousands of his countrymen who have no other way to view the material.

    It seems like I read a different article to the commenters above. The main problem with his first article was that he condemned torrenting without even mentioning the fact that Australians (and New Zealanders) were downloading the show because it’s not airing there. I don’t see how that costs him a red cent, directly or indirectly.

  18. Lex
    Posted May 1, 2011 at 3:06 pm | Permalink

    GaR,

    I think he was referring to torrenting in general, not the specific situation in Aus/NZ.

  19. GaR
    Posted May 1, 2011 at 3:10 pm | Permalink

    Lex,

    Obviously. Which, for an Australian, is a strange way to look at the issue.

  20. Anonymous
    Posted May 1, 2011 at 3:38 pm | Permalink

    I’m forced to log out from my Facebook account to post this comment because of the possible legal actions this might incur. However, I did leave my email with WiC so that they can connect me up with my usual account.

    I live in a country that’s on the border of two different international zones of geographic division which means that the country doesn’t belong to any of the usual packaged deals that HBO seems to do. “Pacific” got to us via the national channel (for which I pay as a taxpayer) about a year late and “Broadwalk” is currently airing on another channel (for which I’m paying because it comes out-of-the-box with my tv/internet provider). I saw both of them before they aired because I downloaded them illegally. The possibility of GoT airing on some other channel (for which I would have to pay extra) is close to nil and if it does air, it will probably have finished its first season in the US and the shooting for the second will be long underway.

    I own “The Wire”, “Rome” and “Band of Brothers” as box-sets. Next one will probably be “Treme”. With the exception of BoB none of these have been aired and BoB was aired almost two years later (by which time I already owned it on DVD). I will buy GoT as a box-set – hell, in fact I’m considering getting myself a Blueray player just so that I could enjoy GoT in all it’s glory. I’m paying for the channels that will most probably show GoT but with 90% certainty I will not be watching it on them because I want to be part of the discussion here and elsewhere (and, let’s face it, I just cannot bear a longer wait). I want to be “in the loop”.

    So, since HBO (or, for that matter, any other channel in the US) isn’t available to me legally, I will continue watching GoT illegally. I’m not being forced into doing this (in the sense that eventually I would be able to watch it legally), but I will not also be cornered into a position where I couldn’t fully enjoy the show with all the first-hand reactions and what-else-have-you-gots because I just wouldn’t want to spoil my (later) viewing experience.

    On the other hand (because I want to be honest), most of the shows I torrent I will never buy. I enjoy them, but not enough to have them forever. But for most of these I still pay because they come with the package that I pay for anyway (I seldom use the tv for anything other than the news or the documentaries).

    All-in-all, the point of my post is that I indeed have the possibility to watch many of the shows legally, but I would prefer to watch them on my computer and, since that is impossible for me, I have to continue using illegal means to watch them. I’m probably hurting some of the show-runners (sorry, the stuff you put out is mind-numbing but my mind is not numb enough to buy the crap), but for others I’m probably a source of income that they never even dreamt about.

    So, that is that. As GRRM himself said (paraphrasing), if nobody pirates your work it’s even worse than that it’s the most popular pirating material in the world.

  21. Chris
    Posted May 1, 2011 at 4:01 pm | Permalink

    GaR,

    Did you read the second article? He makes it very clear that he is discussing how it has affected him as an actor, and more specifically how it affected and influenced how they had to market and fund “Bangkok Adrenaline.” I’m not sure how that can be strange.

  22. GaR
    Posted May 1, 2011 at 4:19 pm | Permalink

    Chris,

    Yes, I did read the second article. You can tell that I did, based on my post where I comment about that specifically.

    I will attempt to make my position clear to avoid further misunderstanding.

    Conan posted about how he dislikes torrenting because of the way it affects him and others in the industry. Fair enough. He then comments on and links to a torrent debate on this very blog.

    The pro-torrent side of that debate was split into two main groups. Those like myself who live in a country where the show does not air, and those who do, but were pleading poverty. The former was the larger (and more vocal) group, and the latter are hardly the demographic that are going to be causing HBO to lose out on subs.

    Conan seems to be addressing a third group; one that surely exists, but one that was not involved at all in the debate to which he refers. That group is, of course, the unrepentant pirates who just download anything they’re interested in instead of paying for it.

    I would have thought that being an Australian, he might have had at least a little sympathy for his fellow Australians whose only way to view GoT was to torrent it. If that weren’t the case, then maybe he could have at least commented on it. It’s not as if those Aussies downloading the show are in any way hurting HBO, or causing them to pay Conan (or anyone else) any less.

    I also take issue with his his derogatory comments in the second article. Telling people to take their medication, etc. Who is he addressing there? That third group who weren’t even represented on this blog, presumably. He also mentions Reddit, so perhaps it’s some commenters over there who’ve drawn his ire.

  23. Lex
    Posted May 1, 2011 at 4:29 pm | Permalink

    GaR:
    Chris,

    I also take issue with his his derogatory comments in the second article.Telling people to take their medication, etc.Who is he addressing there?That third group who weren’t even represented on this blog, presumably.He also mentions Reddit, so perhaps it’s some commenters over there who’ve drawn his ire.

    Oh come on, that was funny. Conan is not trying to be derogatory, he just has strong opinions and a somewhat sarcastic sense of humor.

    I agree, though, that maybe he was referring to commenters from another site? I admit I haven’t been following the torrent debate very closely here, but I didn’t see anything overly heated.

  24. GaR
    Posted May 1, 2011 at 4:47 pm | Permalink

    Lex,

    I said “derogatory,” not “heated.”

    I don’t think the dude was angry.

  25. Lex
    Posted May 1, 2011 at 4:58 pm | Permalink

    GaR:
    Lex,

    I said “derogatory,” not “heated.”

    I don’t think the dude was angry.

    No, I mean I didn’t see any of US getting overly heated over here. So I’m agreeing with you that maybe Conan is referring to members of another site?

  26. The Smiling knight
    Posted May 1, 2011 at 5:01 pm | Permalink

    In defense of The Mountain… err, i mean Conan,
    in his latest article on piracy he does state this:

    I must admit I should have done a little more research. I thought HBO direct would be available to download without the TV subscription, apparently not.

    What I will say is that HBO will likely have contracts in place with the cable providers and offering a straight to hte audience download would likely affect their sales to the cable providers, but having the content online is a step in the right direction in the long run. The delivery systems will change with technology but it is not going to happen overnight.

    So he is aware of the problem and its nuances, and mistakes being made on the end of the “provider(s)”.

    Lastly I’d like to know why what I say is so special anyway, it’s not like I am Judge Dredd .

    Yeah, it just goes with the territory. Internet being a medium where everyone can comment, answer back and throw around their opinions as much as they like.

    By the way i think it would be good to get Fab to do an interview with him. Not on this obnoxious theme but on the books and the tv series and with mountains of spoilers about his character.

  27. GaR
    Posted May 1, 2011 at 5:08 pm | Permalink

    Lex,

    Right. True that. My bad.

    The Smiling knight,

    The nuances as relating to countries where the show actually airs, anyway.

    ::edit::

    The reason I keep banging on about that is because in the title of the first article he calls himself “Australian Actor”

  28. saluk
    Posted May 1, 2011 at 5:13 pm | Permalink

    Conan is awesome! Though my viewpoints lean a little more to the other side than his, both of his posts have been very informative and personal to his experience. And I LOVE hearing this kind of feedback on the issue, because a lot of the time it seems the only way media people EVER communicate to the public about internet piracy is through lawsuits.

    The antagonistic brush painted across all pirates needs to stop if any progress is to be made. There will always be technical workarounds to protection (and stronger technical protection tends to harm the customers more than the pirates), and legal repercussions tend to be wrong-sided completely misrepresenting the actual economic harm. I don’t have an answer, but I do feel we need a better way to assess the actual net damage downloads do. Especially to tv shows, which are so less clear than movies or games. How does “watch GoT now + box set later” compare to “watch GoT at friends + box set later” or “watch GoT on HBO + no box set”? And then of course the largest group of pirates (the less vocal ones) who just download and aren’t even fans. Maybe they wait until its popular and download the whole season, watch 2 episodes, and then delete it because they don’t like it?

    But I really wish we had more thoughtful discussion from the media side, like Conan has done. Anyway, since it is seen as bad by the people who make it, seen as a disrespect, we can at least continue to encourage people who are in a position to do otherwise, to not torrent the show, if they can help it.

  29. Lex
    Posted May 1, 2011 at 5:15 pm | Permalink

    I agree that we should have an official interview with Conan!

  30. geekcore
    Posted May 1, 2011 at 5:40 pm | Permalink

    <3 Yogscast and GoT? Yes, please.

  31. GaR
    Posted May 1, 2011 at 5:43 pm | Permalink

    FaBio vs Conan? That couldn’t help but be hilarious.

  32. mountain
    Posted May 1, 2011 at 6:00 pm | Permalink

    GaR:

    And again Conan ignores the arguments of thousands of his countrymen who have no other way to view the material.

    So you won’t be able to buy the DVDs in your country… ever? Just admit it’s impatience. There’s no need for hyperbole.

  33. DianeK
    Posted May 1, 2011 at 6:05 pm | Permalink

    Lex: Oh come on, that was funny. Conan is not trying to be derogatory, he just has strong opinions and a somewhat sarcastic sense of humor.

    I agree, though, that maybe he was referring to commenters from another site? I admit I haven’t been following the torrent debate very closely here, but I didn’t see anything overly heated.

    I wouldn’t be surprised if he was referring to me — I’m the one who used the word “whining” (albeit he misspelled it as whinging)…and as a dumb woman I often get that “medication” remark tossed at me.

    I was ready to post a huge response about this, but quite frankly I’m sick of having this debate…it just ends up mimicking the Argument Clinic sketch from Monty Python (no it isn’t…yes it is…no it isn’t…yes it is). Its 2011, the technology exists, but the entertainment industry continues to kick and scream a tantrum of resistance.

    I got my new cable bill this week, the $10/month for HBO deal has resulted in an increase of $25 in my bill, so I’m paying $105 for this ONE program. If Conan were an “ordinary guy” as he lamented in his first post I strongly doubt he’d be able to afford this channel.

    Btw, I have Netflix, and the choices for immediate viewing *stinks*.

  34. GaR
    Posted May 1, 2011 at 6:08 pm | Permalink

    mountain,

    Hyperbole?

    The crow calls the raven black…

    I will buy the Blurays when they are available. If you’re insinuating that anyone is in any way disadvantaged by my torrenting the show in the mean time, then I’d like you to clarify how you think that is at all possible.

    If you’d like to comment on whether what I am doing is worse than someone watching it on HBO at a friend’s house without buying the DVDs / Blurays, I’d be most interested.

  35. Bro
    Posted May 1, 2011 at 6:16 pm | Permalink

    That White Noise Lab version totally rocks, love it! *Attempts to do the universal rock sign with my fingers* Perhaps I’ll persuade my Dad to indulge in a little head-banging with me…

  36. Katrina Brooks
    Posted May 1, 2011 at 6:16 pm | Permalink

    So, I showed my 15 year old sister the first two episodes this afternoon. She had seen the 15 minutes (what was that, a month ago?), and we skipped the prologue this time as per her request – she’s not too fond of that kind of stuff. However, about halfway through the first episode, she turned to me and said “Arya’s my favourite character”. At the end of it, she stared at the screen for a good minute while I tried to keep a straight face. She then demanded to know if Bran would live. I told her to watch the second episode with me. First we talked about the first episode, though. She told me she didn’t know what the significance of what Bran saw was, so I’m a little worried, but when I explained, she understood it better. She has loudly proclaimed her love for Arya, Jon, Bran and Daenerys, and despises Viserys and Tyrion.

    I asked her why she didn’t like Tyrion, and she said he was a pervert. That’s my sister for you…

    Anyway, during the second episode, she really seemed to enjoy it. She was a little uncomfortable at the scenes across the Narrow Sea, but loved the Winterfell stuff. She kept on asking me if Bran was okay. I told her to watch. At the end, she said loudly, “Ned isn’t going to do it”, regarding Lady. When it happened, she stared at the screen again, but was quickly happy that Bran was okay. She added Joffrey to her hate-list.

    And now we have a Game of Thrones sister date this evening.

    Just thought I’d give insight to a younger, non-reader’s experience. For the record, I’ve read all four books and pre-ordered Dance.

  37. The Smiling knight
    Posted May 1, 2011 at 6:22 pm | Permalink

    I also suggest Fabio conduct the interview with Conan while wrestling him.
    Or fighting him with swords (in armor of course)!

  38. The Smiling knight
    Posted May 1, 2011 at 6:27 pm | Permalink

    Katrina Brooks,

    Hmm, no wonder she dislikes tyrion. If i didnt read the books i would dislike him to based on his first scene. Who the hell wants to see a guy making orgasm faces anyway?
    I have no idea what were those guys thinking…

    Cheap tv shots… grumble…

    But at least he does much better later on when they stop arsing around and get back to the book material proper.

  39. mountain
    Posted May 1, 2011 at 6:29 pm | Permalink

    GaR,

    So when you torrent, you are not illegally uploading to thousands of freeloaders at the same time? Do you believe that every torrent downloader is going to be buying DVDs/Blu-Rays?

    You said there is “no other way to view the material”. That is simply untrue.

  40. GaR
    Posted May 1, 2011 at 6:41 pm | Permalink

    mountain,

    I’m impressed you know how much I’ve seeded. Of course, you couldn’t possibly be making stupid assumptions, so you must have some inside information there. No, wait, it’s a stupid assumption.

    I never suggested that every downloader would buy the DVDs; please do me the courtesy of not using stupid strawman arguments.

    My argument is, and has always been, that if the show is not airing in my country, then no one is losing out if I download it when it’s available. You say I’m wrong to assert that I have no other way to watch it. Unless this exception you’re thinking of is to wait almost a year, then I’d love to be enlightened. If you think I should wait until the disks are out, then well… we’ll have reached an impasse, because I won’t agree to such a thing.

  41. The Smiling knight
    Posted May 1, 2011 at 6:44 pm | Permalink

    :makes popcorn and settles in a comfy chair to watch:

    Kick him in the groin! wooohoo!

  42. mountain
    Posted May 1, 2011 at 6:51 pm | Permalink

    GaR: Unless this exception you’re thinking of is to wait almost a year, then I’d love to be enlightened. If you think I should wait until the disks are out, then well… we’ll have reached an impasse, because I won’t agree to such a thing.

    How has that not been abundantly clear from the first line of my first post?

    Look, torrent all you want; it’s no skin off my back. Just don’t act like that’s the only possible way you will ever get to see the show.

  43. GaR
    Posted May 1, 2011 at 6:59 pm | Permalink

    mountain,

    Sorry, it just seemed like a silly suggestion. Giving you the benefit of the doubt there. Don’t worry, it won’t happen again.

    Y’know, I’ve told you about stupid strawman arguments, but you just can’t seem to help yourself. I never suggested that downloading was the only way I would ever be able to see the show; I have maintained from the start that I’d be buying the Blurays as soon as they’re available.

    Since you’re not bothering to actually address any of my points, can I assume this discussion is over?

  44. mountain
    Posted May 1, 2011 at 7:06 pm | Permalink

    GaR: I never suggested that downloading was the only way I would ever be able to see the show

    GaR: And again Conan ignores the arguments of thousands of his countrymen who have no other way to view the material.

    There is a way to legally view the material. Wait until the discs are released. That is beginning, middle and end of my suggestion. Take from it what you will.

  45. annonymus
    Posted May 1, 2011 at 7:12 pm | Permalink

    mountain:
    There is a way to legally view the material.Wait until the discs are released.That is beginning, middle and end of my suggestion.Take from it what you will.

    are you waiting for another year to see your own work too?

  46. DianeK
    Posted May 1, 2011 at 7:12 pm | Permalink

    GaR:
    mountainUnless this exception you’re thinking of is to wait almost a year, then I’d love to be enlightened.If you think I should wait until the disks are out, then well… we’ll have reached an impasse, because I won’t agree to such a thing.

    I don’t think you should have to wait for it, either. We are in a group that believes in progress and change; Mountain is in the group that would like to see us still using 486x PCs with 1MB of RAM that cost $100 and 14.4k modems and running WordPerfect v5.1 for DOS. What we are seeing are the last vestiges of elitism that have mostly eroded the last twenty years.   Before GoT premiered this website put out a request for those with HBO to let those without it come over to watch…is this 1982 again???

    I said this before, Mountain, if everyone took your attitude this world would be a very different place…and not for the better.

  47. GaR
    Posted May 1, 2011 at 7:14 pm | Permalink

    mountain,

    Gods, you’re just being deliberately obtuse now (especially after the leaps of logic you asked me to make).

    Did I really need to add “…without waiting almost a year to buy a thing most of them were probably going bloody well buy anyway” ?

    Disclaimer: I don’t actually know how many of those people would buy the disks, I jsut wanted more words to italicise.

    I have already responded to the suggestion that I wait for the disks without watching it in the mean time. I’ll reiterate for you, though:

    No.

    HBO does not lose out if I do it my way, and nor does anyone else. The only reason for me to deprive myself of the show is to appease antitorrent crusaders like yourself. Well, tough.

  48. GaR
    Posted May 1, 2011 at 7:17 pm | Permalink

    DianeK,

    My 486 had 12mb of RAM :P

    It’s weird, Conan and I agree on the ideal situation (legit world-wide online availability) but strongly disagree on the short term solutions.

    NB: I’ve been pretending the poster mountain is actually Conan, because it makes me feel like this argument is marginally less pointless than usual :B

  49. mountain
    Posted May 1, 2011 at 7:32 pm | Permalink

    annonymus: are you waiting for another year to see your own work too?

    I would like to make it clear I am not, nor intended to impersonate Conan Stevens.

    I have however, seen the effects of piracy first hand as a part of the gaming industry. In our work there have been plenty of attempts to try and curb piracy through oppresive DRM, which of course backfires and ends up causing the user to jump through hoop after hoop. It is never advantageous to have a legal delivery model that is so much work and nuisance that it becomes easier for someone to just pirate the game instead.

    Over the past decade, Steam (as well as a few others) has revolutionized everything with digital delivery, one-click downloads. It is unfortunate, but unavoidable that piracy will be the quickest route from A to B, which is what makes it so desirable to many.

    We had a game leaked to torrent that was not even finished and it was disaster. Eventually we righted the ship, finished testing and released but it brought with it many sleepless nights of coding which could have been avoided otherwise. We actually were planning on and ended up releasing without any form of copyright management, and “sold” the game for an undefined, whatever-you-want-to-give donation (including the most prevalent donation of $0.00.)

    Long story short, I realize that HBO, and most other premium networks, has not joined the 21st century in the a la carte delivery method. In fact, Starz is now going backwards with their Netflix affiliation. Does that give everyone the right to illegally download and distribute material as they see fit? Where do you draw the line? Who knows. That is up to each individual to decide. But I sympathize with Mr. Stevens’ post.

  50. DianeK
    Posted May 1, 2011 at 7:47 pm | Permalink

    GaR,

    12mb? In 1992? I didn’t even get RAM with my first PC because it was so expensive, I bought it a few months later when I could fit it into my budget.

    As for the “short term solution”…that would be to just freaking do it already! Ya know, any other business that operated this way (ignoring public opinion, fighting innovation, and a general lacking of common sense) would be OUT of business in a flash (barring a government bailout).

    I’ve just made the decision that first thing tomorrow I’m canceling HBO (and possibly cable as well depending on my mood). $105 a month is absurd. So that means I wont be posting here anymore — no I wont torrent it; the way I see it, they dont care about whether or not the masses can access it, so why should I care to watch it? Reap what you sow.

  51. Kate
    Posted May 1, 2011 at 7:51 pm | Permalink

    On waiting:

    In my country, AGOT is not airing (it may start airing in June). However, my social life is not restricted to my country. I have friend from all over the world. The day after an episode airs, the forums and chats I visit everyday will be full of it. Should I refrain from visiting my favourite internet sites for months? And when I see an episode and want to discuss it, how to do it if everyone’s moved on and are four episodes ahead of you?

    I am willing to pay for seeing it. I would love to pay! I can assure I would prefer to first see the series in HD than in a low quality download at my computer’s screen. But the “product” I’m intrested in is GoT on the day it premires, and if no one wishes to sell it to me, I’ll do my best to obtain it through any other mean.

    I really hope one day corporations will stop trying to divide customers by this arbitrary thing called “borders” when selling art or visual media.

  52. Chris77
    Posted May 1, 2011 at 7:58 pm | Permalink

    I also come from a country where no release date has been offered. I have about 200 leagally bought DVD’s and plan on buying GOT as well. I also buy shows regulary on itunes and have an US itunes account as well for shows that air here a lot later ( Chuck, Walking Dead, South Park etc.) and I buy those shows later as well. I know a lot of people that torrent loads of stuff and I can assure you that even if torrents would not exist, they would not buy the stuff they torrent. They see it more like watching and zapping through the TV programme. I honestly don’t believe that there are a lot of people who would not buy the shows they like because they havetorrented them beforehand.

    A nice way to get even that minority to buy the stuff nevertheless is to include lots of extras in the DVD stes and have extended cuts;)

    I have not yet torrented GOT because I have I am hoping to get a release date for Germany soon, but my patience is running out… Brotherhood Without Torrents LOL

    PS: Oh, and always support the mountain:) Cleganes rule!

  53. MetalgoddessAMB
    Posted May 1, 2011 at 8:11 pm | Permalink

    So I had a 20% off coupon for the HBO Game of Thrones store that I got when I went to have my photo taken on the Iron Throne in Philly, and since it expired on Satuurday, I decided to use it on Friday. I had all intentions of buying the Ned t-shirt (the one with Sean Bean on the throne) but when I went into the store, the first thing I saw was “Just Added”-the Needle “Stick ‘em with the pointy end” shirt! So without any hesitation, it went into my cart and I purchased it.

    So I got another 20% coupon for making the purchase-next week I get the Ned shirt, he he.

  54. GaR
    Posted May 1, 2011 at 9:27 pm | Permalink

    DianeK,

    Haha, no. I got mine in 1994. It was a DX4/100 with 8mb of RAM. A few years later I upgraded it to 12mb.

    Ah, memories.

    mountain,

    I’m a gaming writer, so I know a fair bit about video game piracy. I was a rank pirate when I was young and poor. These days I pay for the games I want (that I don’t get review copies for, anyway). Thing with games is that there really is no excuse. It’s dead easy to import games that aren’t available in your own country, 99% of the time. TV is a different story.

  55. Mirax
    Posted May 1, 2011 at 9:36 pm | Permalink

    In the comments of one of the other posts (I think the “early ratings not as good as hoped” post) people kept bringing up that HBO and other premium stations CAN’T offer ways to view their shows without cable because of all the money they make from the cable contracts. I call shenanigans! If I can easily come up with the idea to offer your channel for $20 on it’s own, but only $5 or $10 if ordered with a cable subscription, surely the people who run those companies can think of that as well. I can’t afford the $80 a month for cable plus HBO, but I would be more than willing to pay for that channel by itself. It still gives consumers the incentive to purchase HBO with cable without cutting the rest of us that can’t afford that out of the deal. I realize it’s more complicated because of contracts and whatnot, but if they really wanted to, these companies could come up with good business models that gain them profits and give us the content we want.

  56. Conan Stevens
    Posted May 1, 2011 at 11:02 pm | Permalink

    mountain,

    Right, time for strong language – *&#%#$@ “Mountain” is not me.

  57. Conan Stevens
    Posted May 1, 2011 at 11:08 pm | Permalink

    GaR

    If you found my posts insulting and “read them differently” from everyone else maybe you are too emotional about it?

    I wrote about my experiences, these are not right nor wrong, these are experiences. Life is like that.

    If you go to the top of the page, where it says features, a drop down list comes up click on “International Airings” and Australia is clearly listed as showing GoT, so that blows your arguments out of hte water regarding not showing in Aus – you, like me need to do more research at times :)

    PS Rip into “Mountain” anyway for being a dick.

  58. Conan Stevens
    Posted May 1, 2011 at 11:18 pm | Permalink

    mountain: How has that not been abundantly clear from the first line of my first post?

    mountain: I would like to make it clear I am not, nor intended to impersonate Conan Stevens.

    Do I really even need to comment on this incongruity. Logic 1 Usurper 0.

    Damn multiple posts. *points at self* n00b

  59. Conan Stevens
    Posted May 1, 2011 at 11:19 pm | Permalink

    lol, I really screwed that up – MODS! Help!

  60. Winter Is Coming
    Posted May 1, 2011 at 11:33 pm | Permalink

    Conan Stevens, fixed it for ya, Conan. Thanks for stopping by!

    PS Only one week until your first appearance on screen!

  61. Conan Stevens
    Posted May 2, 2011 at 3:14 am | Permalink

    Winter Is Coming:
    Conan Stevens, fixed it for ya, Conan. Thanks for stopping by!

    I have to stop by to find out the latest info – you know any news before we do, and anyway I’ve got to keep an eye on Mirax.

  62. Mirax
    Posted May 2, 2011 at 9:51 am | Permalink

    Conan Stevens,

    *fangirl squee*
    I’ve just spent the past 30 minutes with a big goofy grin on my face trying to come up with some sort of awesome reply. I got nothin’ except that you, Ser, just made day (week, month…).

    *runs off to tell all her friends that Conan Stevens, the freaking Mountain that Rides!!!, is keeping an eye on her*

  63. Blackfish Blues
    Posted May 2, 2011 at 11:22 am | Permalink

    Yay Conan Stevens! *salutes*

    Kate:
    On waiting:

    In my country, AGOT is not airing (it may start airing in June). However, my social life is not restricted to my country. I have friend from all over the world. The day after an episode airs, the forums and chats I visit everyday will be full of it. Should I refrain from visiting my favourite internet sites for months? And when I see an episode and want to discuss it, how to do it if everyone’s moved on and are four episodes ahead of you?

    I am willing to pay for seeing it. I would love to pay! I can assure I would prefer to first see the series in HD than in a low quality download at my computer’s screen. But the “product” I’m intrested in is GoT on the day it premires, and if no one wishes to sell it to me, I’ll do my best to obtain it through any other mean.

    I really hope one day corporations will stop trying to divide customers by this arbitrary thing called “borders” when selling art or visual media.

    This. Especially the part in bold. I won’t repeat the rant I wrote in another thread, because Kate already expressed it. I also understand the objection that nothing can be available everywhere at once, but it’s a direction that networks need to work towards. (Unintended tongue-twister.)

    Also because, as I ranted earlier, of the FREE PUBLICITY we’re giving HBO with our posts and blogs and tweets and chats. Has anyone tried to chart this? (Real question, not sarcasm.) I’m grateful to HBO for giving us GOT, but I feel mocked when I use my time to prance about as an HBO cheerleader and I get blank screens in response.

    Of course I play cheerleader because I want it and I’m happy to do it! But then I feel mocked AGAIN when wonderful cool new merchandise comes out at the HBO store, ALWAYS FOR THE SAME 3 COUNTRIES. Don’t get me wrong, I’m happy for those who do manage to buy it, but I’m a cranky stubborn old trout and I’ll keep saying this for as long as it takes. HBO, let me buy one damn Tully beer stein, and pay Conan more.

    In entirely different news, I love the fan renditions of the title theme. I forgot to praise our own Lex’s version too. They keep strengthening my impression that this music is beautiful.

  64. GaR
    Posted May 2, 2011 at 4:52 pm | Permalink

    Conan Stevens,

    Meh, I’m not worried about being insulted (whether I imagine it or not).

    The only aspect of this that actually bothers me is that those of us who DL this stuff because it doesn’t air in whatever country we live in (NZ for me; but many Aussies and others are also affected), and then go on to buy the DVDs / Blurays when available, get tarred with the same brush as those who just don’t want to outlay the readies.

    I’d have thought that you could at least comment on that situation; your blog post condemns torrenting, but Australians and New Zealanders (to name examples that affect your countrymen and mine,r espectively) don’t get any other way to watch. if they do as I do; torrent now, buy disks later, then that surely cannot be a thing that affects your income from the project.

    Since reading Australian TV listings isn’t a thing I’ve ever needed to do, I’m relying on comments on this site saying that it isn’t airing for there for several months. I wouldn’t wait either; it’s an absurd delay.

  65. Lex
    Posted May 2, 2011 at 5:07 pm | Permalink

    Blackfish Blues,

    Thanks!

    Also, you’ll probably hate me because I bought all the steins EXCEPT for the Tully one! :)

  66. Conan Stevens
    Posted May 2, 2011 at 6:18 pm | Permalink

    GaR:
    Conan Stevens,
    your blog post condemns torrenting

    Interesting. I don’t condone it but I don’t think I condemned it either.

    Before the Internet we’d watch shows years after they aired overseas and would be none the wiser – it’s just impatience to want to watch it now.

    My pay is not directly affected by individual downloads, I would suggest reading the original article again.

    My pay is more affected by the number of movies not being made, and the required methods employed to circumvent torrents.

    Investing in movies is a gamble, torrents swing the odds against the investors, investors either decide it is to risky and don’t invest or try to swing the odds back in their favour of obtaining a return by cutting costs. This is fairly simple math for most role players who are used to throwing dice around and calculating odds.

    I think that is what I said in my original post. Look at it from a business perspective and you’ll understand better.

  67. The Smiling Knight
    Posted May 2, 2011 at 6:36 pm | Permalink

    If i may chime in… i think a part of the problem is that decision makers too often see torrenting (or other forms of piracy) in a pretty singular and wrong manner and use the same old blanket statements about it “taking away sales from them” as an excuse – instead of trying to find ways to use it for their benefit.

    Like, i dont know… making their products available for individual download globally, in a similar way that videogames or music industry is doing.
    The situation changed, circumstances changed and its no use burying your head in the sand.
    You simply adapt and make the most of it because frankly, you dont have a choice.

    What they are doing now is literally ignoring a market that exists.

  68. GaR
    Posted May 2, 2011 at 6:39 pm | Permalink

    Conan Stevens,

    Point taken. Replace “condemn” with “criticise” then, it’s probably fairer.

    I understand the intention of the post. What I’m trying to get across is that you’re criticising what a lot of people do, without acknowledging that they’re all but forced into it if they want to watch the latest shows. You may not have intended to blame thousands of Australians and others who are downloading Thrones for the state of the industry, but the fact is they’re the ones most likely to be reading your article, and I maintain it would’ve been nice to be a bit clearer there.

    And yeah, it’s impatience. We want to watch Thrones now. We are, as you say, less ignorant than we were in the days before the internet. Does that mean Kiwis and Aussies should have to wait months to see Thrones? Does it fuck. If they (HBO, local networks) want my dollars, they’re right here for the taking. All they need to do is show me the show and they can have them. But I’m going to see it regardless. That’s the reality of television in the 21st century (yes, I’m buying the Blurays and probably a couple of sets of DVDs just as soon as I can anyway).

    Looking forward to seeing you ruin some shit at the Hand’s Tourney. I’d be pretty upset at the knight o’ pansies and that bugger’s trick he pulled too.

    I’m guessing we won’t see the ambush at Mummer’s Ford on the show. A pity; Gregor vs beric would be cool to see. I hope the Battle of the Green Fork is shown though.

  69. GaR
    Posted May 2, 2011 at 6:44 pm | Permalink

    The Smiling Knight,

    Agreed.

    A Steam equivalent for movies and TV shows is what we need. I realise American cable providers would actually soil themselves if it happened, but the industry badly needs to realise that it’s the 21st century…

  70. The Smiling Knight
    Posted May 2, 2011 at 6:57 pm | Permalink

    some very simple mathematics…

    If HBO made each episode available for download at a price of 10 dollars, right…?

    The first episode , if we count just the number of viewers they got the old fashioned way would have almost returned the investment singlehandedly, right?
    Like, what…6,5 million viewers all together?

    …………………………………………………………………

    Conan, how was it playing someone like Mountain that Rides?
    I mean, even if he is unusually extremely “evil” compared to the rest of the characters, there is a definite sense that he is not just your average raging lunatic.
    Despite his size and freakish strength he does display a sort of darkish, brooding intelligence as much as overwhelming cruelty.

    How difficult or easy was it to get that side of him?
    Or, how hard it may be in the next season where we will see more of him in this manner?

    Could you give us a few thoughts on this interesting issue?
    Were nosy.
    :D

  71. Lex
    Posted May 2, 2011 at 7:02 pm | Permalink

    I’m not gonna get into this debate. I don’t want to get on the wrong side of someone who decapitates horses for fun. :)

    We need an official Conan Stevens interview.

  72. Mirax
    Posted May 2, 2011 at 7:19 pm | Permalink

    Lex: We need an official Conan Stevens interview.

    This.

  73. GaR
    Posted May 2, 2011 at 7:19 pm | Permalink

    The Smiling Knight,

    $10 / ep might be overreaching. Most suggestions are around $3-5USD, which I believe is close to what they go for on iTunes (don’t quote me on that). Even at that price the return would be fairly huge.

    I’d pay $5USD an episode and still buy the Bluray set later. That’s assuming they were released as a DRM-free 1080p download and within a day or so of the first TV airing.

  74. sid
    Posted May 2, 2011 at 9:20 pm | Permalink

    Conan Stevens: Interesting. I don’t condone it but I don’t think I condemned it either.

    right so what is your view on those who torrent because it doesn’t come out at the same time in our country?

  75. GaR
    Posted May 2, 2011 at 10:17 pm | Permalink

    sid,

    “impatient”

    I wouldn’t mind if he elaborated on that, of course.

  76. Conan Stevens
    Posted May 3, 2011 at 1:29 am | Permalink

    The Smiling Knight: y?

    Again, and this is the problem. You seem to be talkign about the major studios.

    We are not all major studios. We, a group of stuntmen mates, made our movie Bangkok Adrenaline ourselves – is it fair on us that we lose revenue and potentially destroy our careers because of torrents – this is a small group of mates struggling financially we are talking about.

    A friend was part of a small independant production team that released a movie in Europe with English subtitles – it went to the torrents and they could not sell the movie in the US or the UK – that ruined the movie for everyone who worked on it, most of all the investors who will likely never invest again – and that team misses out on those additional opportunities, not to mention people with money know others with money so there is a flow on effect.

    Etc.

    Just think about it. What I write is very clear if you read and understand each word and don’t try to read your own meanings into it.

    Additionally the big studios can adapt and they will slowly. The smaller players don’t have much choice, we have to go with the current system of regional distributors whom we have to sell to. We don’t have the money, the power, nor usually the marketing expertise to make a whole new distribution system – we’re in the movie business and we have to do enough as it is without redesigning multi-billion dollar industries thankyou very much.

    GaR: I mentioned it before HBO can’t do direct downloads, their cable distributors would boycott HBO and it would lose more revenue than it would pick up from the tech savvy crowd.

    I hope that explains things a little better.

  77. Conan Stevens
    Posted May 3, 2011 at 1:36 am | Permalink

    PS Interview coming on Westeros.org (next week?) and more than you can poke a stick at coming very soon ;)

  78. Smegma
    Posted May 3, 2011 at 2:39 am | Permalink

    I know it’s not a popular opinion, especially around here – but I totally agree with Conan. The episodes will become available to all via Itunes eventually – you don’t even have to buy the DVD’s. But people all feel entitled to protected and copyrighted material because THEY DON’T WANT TO MISS OUT. Boo fucking hoo. Wouldn’t most people agree that making copies of say…GRRM’s books (hypothetically) and distributing them without compensation towards the writer is STEALING. You are not entitled to watch the show, regardless of your uber-fandom. So you can’t talk about it til it comes out on Itunes or DVD. That doesn’t give anyone the right to download illegally. I agree it’d be great if HBO had a pay per month on its own package (I currently pay well over a hundred dollars just to be able to watch baseball and GOT). But they don’t yet because there is difficulty in doing so – they are partnered with the cable companies and if they sidestep them, there will be difficulty in resigning their distribution agreements with profitable terms. Eventually, HBO will probably be able to benefit and handle such a set-up. But we aren’t there yet. Instead, stop supporting the thieves. It’s hard to say this, because I am sure that no one will because they justify it in their own minds why it’s okay.

  79. The Smiling Knight
    Posted May 3, 2011 at 6:28 am | Permalink

    Conan Stevens,

    Yeah, i understand what youre saying loud and clear.

    All i can offer as a suggestion, situation being as it is, is that you indie guys should try to adapt and make use of it. Maybe getting more of similar indie productions together and trying to figure out ways to use the internet rather than being hamstrung by it?

    Video games industry has gone through a very similar thing, with physical copy retailers struggling against digital download for quite some time.
    Yet the simple market forces (ie mountains of money) turned it around and now digital is often bigger than physical.
    Not to mention how much indie developers suffered being clinched in between publishers and retail sellers.
    Its worth looking into.

    Someone will stumble onto this idea sooner rather than later anyway. It may very well be you rather than someone else.
    And since no one in the business is averse to making money – the financial providers side will adapt.

    How hard can it be, making a site and charging for content?
    Its not like porn industry isnt doing precisely that for years already.

    If you are forced to deal only with delivery systems that have fallen behind the times and are bleeding money because of their incompetence to adapt to new markets that are factually real – then they are also a part of the problem.

    We can all sit here saying “piracy is bad. Pirates are bad” until we turn blue in the face. It aint going to channel absolutely anything.

    On the other hand, im pretty sure that if your movie had ways to be available for download legally that you would have made money in the markets where you didnt.
    Sure you will always loose some viewers to piracy but if you make a system where availability of your product is hassle free, easy and for a reasonable price – you would also have access to a gigantic global market that would overcompensate the losses several times.

    – Good news about the interview! Looking forward to it.–

  80. Blackfish Blues
    Posted May 3, 2011 at 6:36 am | Permalink

    Lex:
    Blackfish Blues,
    Thanks!

    Also, you’ll probably hate me because I bought all the steins EXCEPT for the Tully one!

    Hahahahahaaa! No, I don’t hate you, how could I? But how about a single combat? ;D

    Conan Stevens:
    PS Interview coming on Westeros.org (next week?) and more than you can poke a stick at coming very soon

    Conan, you’re a true gentleman and a great guy all around. Having you is a great honour. Thanks.

  81. The Smiling Knight
    Posted May 3, 2011 at 7:42 am | Permalink

    Correction:
    “It aint going to channel absolutely anything.” – was meant to be “change”, not channel.

  82. GaR
    Posted May 3, 2011 at 4:41 pm | Permalink

    Conan Stevens,

    Yeah, that’s what I was referring to when I spoke of cable providers crapping their pants. I know why the problem exists, and I have a fair idea of how a better system would look, I just don’t know how it could be brought about.

    I think The Smiling Knight has a point. Digital distribution has paid dividends for indie video game developers, and musicians are also reaching a much bigger audience than they otherwise might have.

  83. Conan Stevens
    Posted May 4, 2011 at 4:03 am | Permalink

    SK and Gar: I have had a brilliant thought – why don’t you take this idea of yours develop it and market it?

    You could make Billions!

    I say go for it, what is stopping you? After all “How hard can it be, making a site and charging for content?”

    I unfortunately cannot help as I have now signed a long term contract for my current movie gig and won’t have much free time between this and HBO.

  84. EvilPicnic
    Posted May 4, 2011 at 5:32 am | Permalink

    Conan Stevens:
    SK and Gar: I have had a brilliant thought – why don’t you take this idea of yours develop it and market it?

    You could make Billions!

    lol. Owned by the Mountain…

    But seriously, I don’t think they expect you to change the world Conan, just maybe express some commonality with those who think the world needs changing. Which may admittedly be difficult if you have had bad personal experiences directly or indirectly related to torrents.

    People want The Mountain That Rides to be their personal champion, but you were just expressing your opinion.

    But (in my opinion) I think there is a point to be made. Digital media is obviously massive, and while music and video games are progressing, cinema and TV don’t seem to be adapting all that well.

    If countless torrents indicate potential sales, then the only sensible capitalist thing to do is to monetise it, and reap the rewards. There’s obviously demand.

    In the case of video game industry, since the advent of Steam and the Xbox Live marketplace a few years ago, I have played (and paid for) more indie games than than ever before. There are games like Minecraft that aren’t even finished yet, and they’re raking in the dough.

    It is the big companies who need to create these services, but it’s only through pressure from consumers, members of the industry, and their wallet that will spur them to do so.

  85. DianeK
    Posted May 4, 2011 at 8:09 am | Permalink

    I doubt anyone is going to read this as this thread is no longer linked on the homepage, but I had to respond to this…

    Conan Stevens:
    SK and Gar: I have had a brilliant thought – why don’t you take this idea of yours develop it and market it?

    You could make Billions!

    I say go for it, what is stopping you? After all “How hard can it be, making a site and charging for content?”

    You have no idea how clueless you sound with that last sentence. Let me educate you on what’s going on outside of your little world. Last Saturday BBC America aired a new ep of Doctor Who. I don’t get that station. The next day it was available on Amazon VOD for $1.99 ($2.99 for HD).

    THAT’S how hard it is.

    Regarding cable, Comcast in my case, there is an “on demand” feature. But get this, there IS an HBO On Demand option, but its only available to HBO subscribers…does that make any frigging sense??? The stupidity exhibited in this example is beyond absurd.

    Stupidity does not deserve to be rewarded or nurtured, for when we do reward stupidity, then we fail the world.

    That is all.

  86. JDP
    Posted May 4, 2011 at 11:06 am | Permalink

    DianeK:
    You have no idea how clueless you sound with that last sentence.Let me educate you on what’s going on outside of your little world. Last Saturday BBC America aired a new ep of Doctor Who. I don’t get that station. The next day it was available on Amazon VOD for $1.99 ($2.99 for HD).

    The BBC has a pretty unique funding model, so can’t be compared to ‘regular’ channels who have to target major carriers for their livelihoods. The BBC is picking up beer money, but the likes of HBO need a living wage.

    Auntie receives (literally) billions from the British taxpayer every year – this pays for the making of shows like Dr. Who. International and online sales just buy the champagne for Beeb exec xmas parties :O

    Is their still time to edit the ‘clueless’ remark out of your previous post? Oops.

  87. Conan Stevens
    Posted May 4, 2011 at 4:59 pm | Permalink

    DianeK
    You have no idea how clueless you sound with that last sentence.

    p0wned!!!!

    The last sentence was a quote from one of the guys I was re-directing it at.

    BOOM! Headshot!

  88. The Smiling Knight
    Posted May 4, 2011 at 5:20 pm | Permalink

    No, i think DianeK understood that pretty well.

    Anyway, my credit for free constructive suggestions is thoroughly spent so ill be off on my Black Pearl.
    Oh… and its Captain Smiling Knight.

  89. Lex
    Posted May 4, 2011 at 5:45 pm | Permalink

    Wow… we’re arguing with cast members now?

  90. The Smiling Knight
    Posted May 4, 2011 at 6:14 pm | Permalink

    Gosh, Is that illegal?

    Also, were not arguing. Were just having a friendly chat.

  91. Mike Chair
    Posted May 4, 2011 at 7:01 pm | Permalink

    The Smiling Knight: my credit for free constructive suggestions is thoroughly spent

    He has a limit?

  92. Lex
    Posted May 4, 2011 at 8:59 pm | Permalink

    The Smiling Knight,

    DianeK’s comment sounded a little less than friendly.

  93. Conan Stevens
    Posted May 5, 2011 at 1:03 am | Permalink

    Lex:
    Wow… we’re arguing with cast members now?

    Not really. Quoting FPS Doug doesn’t really count :)

  94. Conan Stevens
    Posted May 5, 2011 at 1:45 am | Permalink

    GaR & Captain Smiling Knight: You are right of course but there are limitations to the speed of change – the majority of people aren’t ready for direct downloads (see those simplistic boxes the cable companies use for the average person) and going direct download would hurt thier current relationships far more than the gains.

    You have to look at it from the investors/producers/indies/studios point of view to understand what is going on, which is pretty much what I have been saying all along.

    SK: got any more quarters, I’m almost out of c tredit for “Free Constructive Critism” too.

    ******************
    The funny thing is while there are many people who defend torrents one of the co-founders of Pirate Bay, Peter Sunde, whom I have chatted with on a small community forum said:
    “that The Pirate Bay should die.”
    http://extratorrent.com/article/717/the+pirate+bay+co+founder+said+torrents+should+die.html

  95. Viking
    Posted May 5, 2011 at 2:59 am | Permalink

    Conan Stevens:
    Before the Internet we’d watch shows years after they aired overseas and would be none the wiser – it’s just impatience to want to watch it now.

    Before the internet we didn’t have fora, blog sites and whatnot about our favourite shows and movies where people from all over the world could participate in, the internet is a global community. I like having discussions about the show with my overseas friends, that is not possible if I watch it a year from now.

    Impatience on my part? Yes
    But if it gets aired in the UK the day after, I’d like to think that a broadcasting company on the main continent should do the same thing, and then I’d be happy to pay. In a sense the internet community is way ahead of (some) providers of TV shows.

    I do however buy the DVD’s/Blu-Rays of the shows that I watched. And I will buy the GoT Blu-Rauys, no question about that.

    Conan Stevens:
    The funny thing is while there are many people who defend torrents one of the co-founders of Pirate Bay, Peter Sunde, whom I have chatted with on a small community forum said:
    “that The Pirate Bay should die.”

    … so that its evolution could take its place

    A necessary addition to that quote I’d like to think.

  96. Conan Stevens
    Posted May 5, 2011 at 4:04 am | Permalink

    Viking,

    It’s still ironic.

  97. Pepi
    Posted May 5, 2011 at 4:38 am | Permalink

    Gotta say it.

    The internet killed it for me. I remember ye olde times, when I went to the local videostore from time to time, talked about the upcoming movies with the clerk and the other customers there, and had a great time. Borrowed a couple of movies for a few bucks, and returned them the next day. But then the pirates came. They ravaged my sanctuary, and left me with two choices. To either accept the jolly roger, or to walk the board. The torrents today are so mainstream and so easy to use, that resisting them is reserved for only the strongest individuals. Which I’m obviously not. :/

    With that being (overtheatrically) said: I do not have HBO(or even my own TV, for that matter), but I will gladly buy the DVDs, when they are available here, in Slovenia, just so I can add them on the shelf, together with my ASoIaF books. :D

  98. The Smiling Knight
    Posted May 5, 2011 at 7:17 am | Permalink

    Conan Stevens:
    GaR & Captain Smiling Knight:

    hehe :thumbsup: Appreciated mate, appreciated.

    Conan Stevens:
    You are right of course but there are limitations to the speed of change – the majority of people aren’t ready for direct downloads (see those simplistic boxes the cable companies use for the average person) and going direct download would hurt thier current relationships far more than the gains.

    You have to look at it from the investors/producers/indies/studios point of view to understand what is going on, which is pretty much what I have been saying all along.

    I think that the numbers of digital downloads, legal or otherwise would beg to differ on the “majority of people are not ready for direct downloads” ;)
    (porn industry would also disagree, i think they stopped counting mere millions a few years back) – and its not like you need to suddenly go fully digital either.

    I understand quite well that the existing structure is bogged down in backward thinking and different deals and whatnot. Im just saying they have fallen behind the curve and that it would be smarter to go where other entertainment industries already went raking in billions along the way.

    Conan Stevens:
    SK: got any more quarters, I’m almost out of c tredit for “Free Constructive Critism” too.

    Lannisters getting stingy with the dough again eh?
    :goes off to have a friendly chat with an innocent looking grandma passing by:

    Here, its not much but it should keep us going for a few posts more. ;)

    Seriously though, best of luck in your current and future endeavors. Its really nice to have you around here and in the series, especially.


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