GRRM with a casting clue! … or not.
By Winter Is Coming on in Casting, Speculation.

The casting clues are back… and boy are they harder than ever. George R. R. Martin has posted a Game of Thrones casting clue, as he recently said he would do. At least, I think it is a casting clue post, judging from the icon and the tag. Here it is:

Just For the Record…

… I am not Oliver King.

Prince of Chaos

I did, however, inspire him.

Winter Is Coming: Excited to see the clues back! Of course, I have no idea what it means…

UPDATE: It seems this is not a casting clue post, but rather a post from Martin indicating that he has inspired a fictional character in an upcoming movie called The Callback Queen.


403 Comments

  1. Knurk
    Posted May 26, 2011 at 1:15 pm | Permalink

    But where’s Froggy? As I said in the last thread, I don’t know what the hell he’s trying to say…

    Edit: I’m blind for not seeing froggy haha

  2. Tar Kidho
    Posted May 26, 2011 at 1:16 pm | Permalink

    let’s get puzzling!!!

  3. Tar Kidho
    Posted May 26, 2011 at 1:17 pm | Permalink

    Knurk: But where’s Froggy?

    I think that’s froggy as the puppet, no?

    EDIT: indeed you are, Knurk :-)

  4. Tom Hilton
    Posted May 26, 2011 at 1:18 pm | Permalink

    I know who King Oliver is, but Oliver King…not so much.

  5. John Engedal
    Posted May 26, 2011 at 1:18 pm | Permalink

    Awesome!

    I´ll just leave the solving to everyone else, but I do love casting clues:)

  6. step
    Posted May 26, 2011 at 1:19 pm | Permalink

    Dominic West as Stannis.

  7. schmeis
    Posted May 26, 2011 at 1:20 pm | Permalink

    From wikipedia: [Oliver] King had a dream in which he saw a host of Angels on a ladder, the Holy Trinity and an olive tree with a crown on it. He heard a voice:

    ‘Let an Olive establish the crown, and let a King restore the Church.’

    That might be part of the “I did, however, inspire him”.

  8. Blackfish Blues
    Posted May 26, 2011 at 1:21 pm | Permalink

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oliver_King

    He had a dream about the Holy Trinity and an Olive… some actress named Olive? But what does it have to do with the book jacket?

  9. McSherrie
    Posted May 26, 2011 at 1:21 pm | Permalink

    Given the tie in between ASOIAF and the War of the Roses, perhaps this is the Oliver King he is referencing: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oliver_King

    If so, this man was inspired by a dream about angels. Any angelically named actors trying out?

  10. Winter Is Coming
    Posted May 26, 2011 at 1:21 pm | Permalink

    What is up the book cover though? It is clearly a fake as neither the publishing company nor the author seem to exist and all the book titles are plays on popular fantasy series’.

    Hmmmm….

  11. JRQ
    Posted May 26, 2011 at 1:21 pm | Permalink

    This Oliver King?
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oliver_King

    “I did, however, inspire him”

    King organised the restoration of Bath Abbey after 1500. The story of the refounding is told on the front of the Abbey in carved Bath stone. King had a dream in which he saw a host of Angels on a ladder, the Holy Trinity and an olive tree with a crown on it. He heard a voice:

    ‘Let an Olive establish the crown, and let a King restore the Church.’

    King believed this was a call for him to support the candidature of Henry Tudor as King, and to restore the Abbey.

  12. Jerglar
    Posted May 26, 2011 at 1:21 pm | Permalink

    Very very tenuous but Horatio Hornblower (Ioan Gruffud) as King Stannis?

    I’d love him as Davos!

  13. Mike Kerns
    Posted May 26, 2011 at 1:22 pm | Permalink

    Yeah, I got nothing…?

  14. step
    Posted May 26, 2011 at 1:23 pm | Permalink

    Jerglar,

    He’s been cast on the CW show Ringer, there’s no way.

  15. JRQ
    Posted May 26, 2011 at 1:25 pm | Permalink

    Guess: The guy in the fake cover is the “I” (either the “horatio king” name, or the real guy in the picture), and the character he plays has something in common with what inspired the real Oliver King.

  16. Knurk
    Posted May 26, 2011 at 1:25 pm | Permalink

    I think the name Horatio King should be seen as a king, Stannis most likely, played by an actor who has played a Horatio. Maybe Alex Jennings?

  17. pualo
    Posted May 26, 2011 at 1:25 pm | Permalink

    The book posted there does not seem to exist, nor does the author, nor does “22:22 Publising.” This seems to be a rather elaborate clue.

    Horatio King seems to be a former Postmaster General of the United States, and Prince of Chaos is the final book of the Chronicles of Amber by Roger Zelazny.

  18. The Rabbit
    Posted May 26, 2011 at 1:25 pm | Permalink

    Yeeesssss! Yessssss!

    Happy dance :)

    Let s try (if it is clue lol).

    - The clues is for one of the kings who will clash.
    It is Stannis or Balon. (cause other kings are allready cast)

  19. Mike Kerns
    Posted May 26, 2011 at 1:26 pm | Permalink

    Jerglar:
    Very very tenuous but Horatio Hornblower (Ioan Gruffud) as King Stannis?

    I’d love him as Davos!

    I’d be okay with him as Davos, too.

  20. John Engedal
    Posted May 26, 2011 at 1:26 pm | Permalink

    The book is a fake? the quotes on the back seem so familiar suddenly…

  21. Larry
    Posted May 26, 2011 at 1:26 pm | Permalink

    Olive, Angel? Spitballing?

  22. Blackfish Blues
    Posted May 26, 2011 at 1:26 pm | Permalink

    Olive = name of an actress?

    And who is the guy on the fake cover?

    Decrypters, get to work on the text of it…

  23. Mirax
    Posted May 26, 2011 at 1:26 pm | Permalink

    schmeis,

    I just read that same wiki entry. I also found this website that says that motif is very prevalent in religious architecture and that the dream story was probably made up years later. /shrug

    As for what it all means, I have no idea other than it gave me a Melisandre vibe. Quoted from the wiki page “King believed this was a call for him to support the candidature of Henry Tudor as King, and to restore the Abbey” It sounds similar to Mel deciding to support Stannis because of the lord of light prophecy.

    :Edit: I’m at work and the picture of the book doesn’t show up. So I guess my Mel theory doesn’t actually hold up since I didn’t have all the info. :/

  24. Knurk
    Posted May 26, 2011 at 1:27 pm | Permalink

    Or better yet, Nicholas Farrell.

  25. Glenndo
    Posted May 26, 2011 at 1:27 pm | Permalink

    Jerglar,

    That’s my guess as well. The flames around the crown point to Stannis. The Horatio lends itself to Gruffud. All the other parts are a mystery to me.

  26. EvilPicnic
    Posted May 26, 2011 at 1:27 pm | Permalink

    Is ‘Oliver King’ or ‘Horatio King’ an anagram?

    Also, I googled 22:22, and a prominent Bible verse that cropped up is:

    NIV: 1 Kings 22:22 “‘By what means?’ the LORD asked. “‘I will go out and be a lying spirit in the mouths of all his prophets,’ he said. “‘You will succeed in enticing him,’ said the LORD. ‘Go and do it.’

    Relevent? Maybe, maybe not…

  27. Tom Hilton
    Posted May 26, 2011 at 1:27 pm | Permalink

    Karl Geary maybe (played Horatio in a 2000-something production of Hamlet)?

    ETA: Born in Dublin. Hmmm…

  28. Ben Watson
    Posted May 26, 2011 at 1:28 pm | Permalink

    Somebody use your barcode reading app to read that barcode. Might be nothing, but the inclusion of a barcode might be something worth checking out…

    I have no such app so I cannot. :P

  29. Jake Stormoen
    Posted May 26, 2011 at 1:29 pm | Permalink

    I’m gonna go with the Mel vibe also based on what you guys have already surfaced in the last five minutes…but this one’s definitely tricky. Let’s see who the first one to earn the scooby snack is…I love this stuff!

  30. Mirax
    Posted May 26, 2011 at 1:30 pm | Permalink

    Winter Is Coming,

    Is there any way you can post the picture rather than linking to the livejournal pic? I’d love to be able to see it, but livejournal is blocked where I work.

  31. Tar Kidho
    Posted May 26, 2011 at 1:30 pm | Permalink

    I’m quite sure there’s a reference there to BBC’s recent series Outcasts! It has Call (Daniel Mays) as an ‘outcast’ living between the ‘normal’ humans on Karpathia. Too many similarities with GRRM’s text I find! His ‘true love’ there, who was captured for some time, was Amy Manson (no idea about a clue there).

    Ok, I’m probably wrong, but my guess is SOMEONE from Outcasts got cast, and based on the clues it’s most likely Daniel Mays. Which I didn’t find an impressive actor, I have to say… My other even wilder guess is that it is his ‘evil uncle’ that got cast, either Langley Kirkwood or the brilliant-as-a-bad-guy Eric Mabius

    Haha, I’ve suggested enough wrong names now ;-)

    EDIT: How could I forget? On Karpathia the closest to a King was the character of Richard Tate, played by the very authorative Liam Cunningham. I would be very happy to see HIM cast on GoT…

  32. drinksTeaInTheMornin
    Posted May 26, 2011 at 1:30 pm | Permalink

    What about Mance rayder? he’s also a king

  33. Jay Bushman
    Posted May 26, 2011 at 1:31 pm | Permalink

    Matthew MacFadyen for Stannis

    Oliver King was associated with the restoration of an Abbey. MacFadyen played the monk who dreamt about building a cathedral in “Pillars of the Earth” And the bio for Horatio King says he is writing “Pillars of Time”

    **Edited for proper spelling of MacFadyen

    http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0532193/

  34. C2
    Posted May 26, 2011 at 1:32 pm | Permalink

    COMPLETELY grasping at straws here, but Joe “King” Oliver was inspired by Buddy Bolden.

    http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0858419/

    There’s apparently a movie being made about Buddy with Jackie Earle Haley as lead.

    I realize I’m probably completely wrong on this….but beyond that I got nothing.

  35. Paul
    Posted May 26, 2011 at 1:33 pm | Permalink

    Flames make the shape of antlers too. I’m guessing Stannis

  36. Will Perkins
    Posted May 26, 2011 at 1:33 pm | Permalink

    Don’t forget to cross reference your candidates with productions that Nina Gold cast in the past!

  37. Glenndo
    Posted May 26, 2011 at 1:33 pm | Permalink

    Tineye got nothing on the image :(

  38. McSherrie
    Posted May 26, 2011 at 1:36 pm | Permalink

    Because of the tie between ASOIAF and the War of the Roses, Bishop Oliver King makes an awful lot of sense.

    As he was inspired by angels, are there any angellically named actors that have auditioned?

    (Winter, it must have been the link that was causing the problem. Thanks for your help!)

  39. Lynn
    Posted May 26, 2011 at 1:37 pm | Permalink

    This may be too obscure even for GRRM, but the UPC code on that book is the same as Bob Dylan’s Carnegie Hall 1961, according to Google. Track list:

    A1 Talkin’ Bear Mountain Picnic Massacre Blues
    A2 Man On The Street
    A3 This Land Is Your Land
    A4 Talkin Merchant Marine
    B1 Black Cross
    B2 Freight Train Blues
    B3 Song To Woody
    B4 Talkin’ New York

    Black Cross? Hrm.

    Jamie Bamber was also in Horatio Hornblower, and his pilot didn’t get picked up… hrm, so was Paul McGann.

  40. pjstwo
    Posted May 26, 2011 at 1:38 pm | Permalink

    Jay Bushman:
    Matthew McFayden for Stannis

    Oliver King was associated with the restoration of an Abbey.McFayden played the monk who dreamt about building a cathedral in “Pillars of the Earth”And the bio for horatio king it says he is writing “pillars of time”

    http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0532193/

    sounds right on to me. good investigating. he was awesome in Pillars.

  41. Brian A
    Posted May 26, 2011 at 1:39 pm | Permalink

    Karakethenia—–Kraken is hidden in the word…..Andalara may refer to the Andals…any help?

  42. ari
    Posted May 26, 2011 at 1:40 pm | Permalink

    McFayden has been cast by Nina Gold before in Any Human Heart (TV series, 2010). Just something to note.

  43. Ingemar Svensson
    Posted May 26, 2011 at 1:41 pm | Permalink

    Jay Bushman:
    Matthew McFayden for Stannis

    Oliver King was associated with the restoration of an Abbey.McFayden played the monk who dreamt about building a cathedral in “Pillars of the Earth”And the bio for horatio king it says he is writing “pillars of time”

    http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0532193/

    He does look like he could be the brother of Gethin Anthony’s Renly as well.

  44. Tar Kidho
    Posted May 26, 2011 at 1:42 pm | Permalink

    Jay Bushman,

    I believe he was a quite popular suggestion for Stannis in the Stannis casting thread? If this turns out to be correct, I think it would be just the right type of actor (known, but not overly famous) to add to the cast for season 2!

  45. Lynn
    Posted May 26, 2011 at 1:42 pm | Permalink

    ari,

    I like Matthew MacFayden a lot as an actor, but I recall when he left Spooks he seemed to think that 18-ish episodes & 2 years on a series was a really long time. I wonder if he’ll agree to be in something that he could end up being part of for years and years.

    Then again, he didn’t exactly become the movie star he was apparently hoping to be, so…

  46. Spork
    Posted May 26, 2011 at 1:42 pm | Permalink
  47. Tar Kidho
    Posted May 26, 2011 at 1:43 pm | Permalink

    Lynn: A4 Talkin Merchant Marine

    Please don’t tell me they cast Tamzin Merchant as Melisandre! :-)

  48. Blackfish Blues
    Posted May 26, 2011 at 1:43 pm | Permalink

    Knurk:
    Or better yet, Nicholas Farrell.

    Farrell played Horatio in Branagh’s Hamlet. I could go crazy, he’s one of my fave actors.

  49. Ingemar Svensson
    Posted May 26, 2011 at 1:44 pm | Permalink

    I wonder if this is a clue for just one casting or several castings in one. There seems to be a lot of references if it only relates to one person.

  50. Lex
    Posted May 26, 2011 at 1:44 pm | Permalink

    All I can say is… huh??????????

    Good luck, House Cluewatch!

  51. Jordan Healey
    Posted May 26, 2011 at 1:45 pm | Permalink

    Could it be Rufus Sewell?

    He’s been cast by Nina Gold in The Illusionist and John Adams, and he was in Pillars of the Earth as well, and he’s also played a king before.

    This has nothing to do with the actual casting clue, I was just going by some of the other stuff people have suggested, plus our original Stannis thread.

  52. Lynn
    Posted May 26, 2011 at 1:46 pm | Permalink

    Tar Kidho,

    Wow, a somewhat scary thought, though I’ve only seen her in The Tudors, which really didn’t give her a chance to show much range.

    But the UPC code might be a total red herring.

  53. paulgude
    Posted May 26, 2011 at 1:46 pm | Permalink

    Glenndo,

    Yeah, I tried that, too.

    It does look like an author’s picture. Maybe someone a fantasy sci-fi fan may recognize?

  54. Knurk
    Posted May 26, 2011 at 1:47 pm | Permalink

    Ok, I’m going to prepare some dinner. You people better have this solved when I get back. (Agree with Ingemar that there actually could be multiple castings in this clue!!!)

  55. EvilPicnic
    Posted May 26, 2011 at 1:47 pm | Permalink

    Jay Bushman:
    Matthew McFayden for Stannis

    Oliver King was associated with the restoration of an Abbey.McFayden played the monk who dreamt about building a cathedral in “Pillars of the Earth”And the bio for horatio king it says he is writing “pillars of time”

    http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0532193/

    Ooo… I do like that thinking :)
    Pillars of the Earth could alos indicate Rufus Sewell..

  56. Mirax
    Posted May 26, 2011 at 1:47 pm | Permalink

    Spork,

    Thanks for the effort, but apparently image shack is blocked as well. Guess I’ll just have to wait until I get home (about 3 hours from now) to look. Of course, the rest of you will totally have it broken down and figured out by then. *grin*

  57. Josh Parker
    Posted May 26, 2011 at 1:48 pm | Permalink

    Andrew Tiernan, who played Henry VII, the inspiration for Oliver King to restore the cathedral, also played Bunting in Horatio Hornblower.

    Andrew Tiernan for either Stannis or Davos. Considering the “King” reference, I’m thinking Stannis.

  58. Tar Kidho
    Posted May 26, 2011 at 1:48 pm | Permalink

    Blackfish Blues,

    He has the right type of look to play Stannis…

  59. Jure Turk
    Posted May 26, 2011 at 1:48 pm | Permalink

    Could it be that Ian McShane is playing some role in S2? Maybe Stannis? Although I think he’s too old for that role.

    - He played in 44 inch chest film (“22:22 publishing”; 22+22 is 44)
    - He played a king in TV series Kings (“King is alleged author of Prince of chaos)
    - He played in Pillars of the earth (Martin mentions “PILLARS OF time” as one of the books in the trilogy)
    - He plays in Pirates of Carribean where posters of the film depict TWO SWORDS and a skull and on the Book cover we have TWO SWORDs and a crown

    I’m sure there are some more clues that we can find.

  60. Glenndo
    Posted May 26, 2011 at 1:49 pm | Permalink

    paulgude:
    Glenndo,

    Yeah, I tried that, too.

    It does look like an author’s picture. Maybe someone a fantasy sci-fi fan may recognize?

    An author’s picture or some sort of head shot. Clearly not an actor (or author) I don’t totally recognize but looks vaguely familiar.

  61. Ellen
    Posted May 26, 2011 at 1:50 pm | Permalink

    Yea! I love this!

    Shots in the dark:

    The “inspired the king” made me think of the King’s Speech, which Nina Gold worked on. Maybe Guy Pierce for Stannis or Davos? He was in Mildred Pierce, so it would keep it on the HBO family.

    Or someone from the Narnia films, the girl who played Susan as Margery or Ygritte?

    I want to say the 22:22 might be some biblical reference, but don’t know enough about that to speculate.

  62. Dolorous Dave
    Posted May 26, 2011 at 1:51 pm | Permalink

    The price on the book cover says:
    £16.99

    Note the english pound sign. I think this is a hint to England in the year 1699.

  63. greenie88
    Posted May 26, 2011 at 1:51 pm | Permalink

    22:22

    Might be initials indicating the actor has double initials. “V” is the 22nd letter in the alphabet.

  64. Tar Kidho
    Posted May 26, 2011 at 1:52 pm | Permalink

    Lynn,

    Quite sure that’s just a red herring, but the thought made me cringe. Tamzin Merchant was fine in The Tudors, but she has no voice to play an authorative character. That said, GRRM really likes here, so I wouldn’t be surprized if at some point she would turn up again…

  65. Spork
    Posted May 26, 2011 at 1:53 pm | Permalink

    Mirax,

    Well, you can’t say I didn’t try.

  66. biliki
    Posted May 26, 2011 at 1:53 pm | Permalink

    EvilPicnic: Ooo… I do like that thinking
    Pillars of the Earth could alos indicate Rufus Sewell..

    Oh GOD, it could also indicate Tony Curran! Why didn’t I think of that before?
    Out of the three of them, my order for Stannis is:
    1)Tony
    2)Rufus
    3)Matthew

    I want Rufus Sewell as Davos, though. I would like Matthew to be involved somehow (he’s one of my favourite actors), but I’ve wanted Tony for Stannis and Rufus for Davos for quite a long time now! :)

  67. Josh Parker
    Posted May 26, 2011 at 1:53 pm | Permalink

    Jure Turk,

    If it turns out McShane is playing Balon, he’s been my choice all along.

  68. Winter Is Coming
    Posted May 26, 2011 at 1:53 pm | Permalink

    Mirax, I’ve locally hosted the image, so you should be able to view it now.

  69. Gaines
    Posted May 26, 2011 at 1:54 pm | Permalink

    Oh, how I missed the casting clues! And this one looks really fun. I have a hunch that it’s about Stannis, but beyond that, nothing.

    Although… there’s the Horatio clue… and the king of TV is certainly… HORATIO CAINE! David Caruso for Stannis? With his magical Sunglasses of Justice? *Yeeeeeeeeeeeeah!*

  70. Lynn
    Posted May 26, 2011 at 1:54 pm | Permalink

    Ellen,

    OMG, Ellen, I am just not that lucky, I don’t think. Though I would squee like a 12 year old girl at a Bieber concert if it turns out to be true.

    BTW, Prince of Chaos is also a Zelzany book where Merlin is a major character.

  71. The Rabbit
    Posted May 26, 2011 at 1:54 pm | Permalink

    Josh Parker,

    That guy screams Edmure to me.

  72. pjstwo
    Posted May 26, 2011 at 1:55 pm | Permalink

    Josh Parker,

    I would be very sad. Balon has like 1 scene, and McShane kicks so much ass.

  73. Tar Kidho
    Posted May 26, 2011 at 1:55 pm | Permalink

    greenie88,

    Vince Vaughn? Just the first VV that sprang to mind ;-)

  74. Josh Parker
    Posted May 26, 2011 at 1:56 pm | Permalink

    The Rabbit,

    Could work for Edmure, too. It just seems like most of us think this refers to one of the “king” characters.

  75. Josh Parker
    Posted May 26, 2011 at 1:57 pm | Permalink

    pjstwo,

    Yeah, in the books. But in the show he could show up throughout the second season, and even feature briefly in the third.

  76. dtb
    Posted May 26, 2011 at 2:00 pm | Permalink

    “Horatio King” lives in Houston Texas.
    link
    List of films/tv shows set in Houston if thats any help

  77. Anvil
    Posted May 26, 2011 at 2:00 pm | Permalink

    It is may be a long stretch but I can’t stop thinking of Liam Cunningham. He played Agravaine in “The First Knight” and in contrary of the Arthurian Tales he did heroic deeds which inspired King Arthur if I am remember correctly.

    But then again I think GRRM’s clues may refer to Davos.

  78. Jure Turk
    Posted May 26, 2011 at 2:01 pm | Permalink

    If its a clue for Ian McShane this quote from Martin “I am not Oliver King. I did, however, inspire him.” could be a reference to “On Stranger Tides” book by Tim Powers which INSPIRED Pirates of the Caribbean: On Stranger Tides movie.

    And this could be a clue for the price (16.99 £): The Original Pirates of the Caribbean: Vessel Shipwrecked by Captain Kidd in 1699 is Discovered (http://www.associatedcontent.com/article/481691/the_original_pirates_of_the_caribbean.html?cat=37)

    Juts guessing. ;-)

  79. Ro
    Posted May 26, 2011 at 2:02 pm | Permalink

    I’m thinking GRRM had that cover made up for this very hint, which is why it took a few days after he originally posted that some clues would be forthcoming. That would mean that we really need to analyze the whole damn book cover.

  80. Josh Parker
    Posted May 26, 2011 at 2:02 pm | Permalink

    Anvil,

    He’s my choice for Davos.

  81. gofalcons
    Posted May 26, 2011 at 2:03 pm | Permalink

    Josh Parker:
    Andrew Tiernan, who played Henry VII, the inspiration for Oliver King to restore the cathedral, also played Bunting in Horatio Hornblower.

    Andrew Tiernan for either Stannis or Davos. Considering the “King” reference, I’m thinking Stannis.

    Add in Mel’s belief that Stannis is the Prince Who Was Promised (Prince of Chaos) and I think we’re definitely looking for him.

    Tiernan has the right look for a Baratheon.

  82. Mirax
    Posted May 26, 2011 at 2:04 pm | Permalink

    Winter Is Coming,

    THANK YOU!!!! After a quick perusal, I get a very “Wheel of Time” vibe from it. Lord of Chaos is a book title, Wheel of Time the series title (obviously, lol), Andor instead of Andalara. Other than that, I’ve got nothing so far. I’ll keep staring and searching.

  83. paulgude
    Posted May 26, 2011 at 2:04 pm | Permalink

    To complicate matters:

    I’m wondering if it’s possible that this actually holds clues for two people, Horatio King being one and Prince Cal being the other. Or, King is the actor and Cal is the character. Or vice/versa.

    Because the fact that King has a wife and three children may be significant. Stannis has one child, and Davos has seven, so neither fit.

  84. pjstwo
    Posted May 26, 2011 at 2:05 pm | Permalink

    Ro,

    I’m sure it’s from the HBO/Maester’s path peeps. It’s too clever.

  85. G D
    Posted May 26, 2011 at 2:05 pm | Permalink

    For what it’s worth, the actor in the black-and-white photo is Andy Devine. He was a character actor who also hosted a TV program called Andy’s Gang on NBC-TV from August 20,1955 to December 31,1960. He interacted with several characters on the show, including Froggy the Gremlin who is in the photo.

  86. Spork
    Posted May 26, 2011 at 2:06 pm | Permalink

    Definitely think it refers to a king (probably Stannis). The fake cover lists a “King Krohl.” Krol means king in Polish, it seems from a quick google search.

  87. Winter Is Coming
    Posted May 26, 2011 at 2:06 pm | Permalink

    Ro, yup, a lot of work went into this clue. Clearly this whole “finished writing ADWD” thing means GRRM has way too much time on his hands!

  88. Dolorous Dave
    Posted May 26, 2011 at 2:06 pm | Permalink

    Quick note:
    Dominic West also played Henry VII….

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cultural_depictions_of_Henry_VII_of_England

  89. Samantha Hirst
    Posted May 26, 2011 at 2:07 pm | Permalink

    Well if we’re talking Pillars of the Earth, there is Eddie Redmayne as well, who also – for somebody above who asked if there were any angelically named actors/actresses about – played Angel Clare in Tess of the D’Urbervilles.

  90. paulgude
    Posted May 26, 2011 at 2:07 pm | Permalink

    G D,

    Awesome! Thank you for that.

  91. Josh Parker
    Posted May 26, 2011 at 2:08 pm | Permalink

    G D,

    That would suggest that his picture is incidental and not a clue.

    I do wonder why GRRM went to the trouble of creating this photo; there’s probably so much buried in there it will take a person with far more time and energy than I to decipher it.

  92. Mavis
    Posted May 26, 2011 at 2:08 pm | Permalink

    Sam Neill – the Blackfish!

    He was in the Tudors – which is an Oliver King reference.
    He was also in Merlin, the main character of the Prince of Chaos

    Also, George curiosly does not name the Blackfish when he was talking about actors he was viewing footage for in his previous HIYA entry.

  93. Shinyteapot
    Posted May 26, 2011 at 2:09 pm | Permalink

    The book mentions a trilogy- is it possible three actors have been cast? There are so many possible clues there.

    Oliver King’s vision was to do with the holy trinity. There’s three items in the picture- crown, flames and swords. Three names in the blurb- Cal, Grace and Krohl.

    So maybe we have three actors? Crown- Stannis (or Balon), Flames- Melisandre (or Ygritte- kissed by fire), Swords- anyone who uses a sword!

    Other things that stood out- the names of the two nations, Karakthenia and Andalara. King and Prince both mentioned prominently. One of the quotes being attributed to a London newspaper. 22:22. Horatio (clue to the king character?). Chaos. The other titles- the fire character has something to do with a wheel. Someone (pillars- who was in pillars of the Earth?) has something to do with time (Doctor Who?).

    Hope some of this will be helpful!

    Edit- wife and 3 children too. I think it’s 3 characters!

  94. Blackfish Blues
    Posted May 26, 2011 at 2:10 pm | Permalink

    Gaines:
    Oh, how I missed the casting clues! And this one looks really fun. I have a hunch that it’s about Stannis, but beyond that, nothing.

    Although… there’s the Horatio clue… and the king of TV is certainly… HORATIO CAINE! David Caruso for Stannis? With his magical Sunglasses of Justice? *Yeeeeeeeeeeeeah!*

    LOL, noooo, David must be the Blackfish! :P

  95. McSherrie
    Posted May 26, 2011 at 2:10 pm | Permalink

    “Krohl” appears to be the Westernized spelling of the Polish word for “king” – or very close to it. Not that we needed more “kings”, but maybe this hints to either a shooting location for the character or a nationality of the actor?

  96. Melissa Champagne
    Posted May 26, 2011 at 2:10 pm | Permalink

    Josh Parker:
    Andrew Tiernan, who played Henry VII, the inspiration for Oliver King to restore the cathedral, also played Bunting in Horatio Hornblower.

    Andrew Tiernan for either Stannis or Davos. Considering the “King” reference, I’m thinking Stannis.

    I don’t think Henry VII inspired Oliver King to restore the Abby, the vision inspired him to support Henry’s bid for the crown and to restore the Abby. I think the conjecture that MacFayden’s character in Pillars of the Earth was inspired by Oliver King is more on the right track. Prince of Chaos is a reference to Stannis. What about Wheel of Fire? MacFayden played a character in a movie call Incendiary…

  97. paulgude
    Posted May 26, 2011 at 2:11 pm | Permalink

    G D,

    Still…I think the color “author” picture will be a major clue. I’m asking my friends if anyone recognizes him.

  98. Winter Is Coming
    Posted May 26, 2011 at 2:12 pm | Permalink

    paulgude,
    Josh Parker,

    Just an FYI, G D is talking about the guy in the icon of GRRM’s post, not the guy on the fake book cover.

  99. Tar Kidho
    Posted May 26, 2011 at 2:12 pm | Permalink

    Anvil:
    It is may be a long stretch but I can’t stop thinking of Liam Cunningham. He played Agravaine in “The First Knight” and in contrary of the Arthurian Tales he did heroic deeds which inspired King Arthur if I am remember correctly.

    But then again I think GRRM’s clues may refer to Davos.

    Really? Wow, then my initial thoughts maybe weren’t wrong afterall!

    Tar Kidho,

    I truly hope for Liam Cunningham….

  100. Jerelyn
    Posted May 26, 2011 at 2:12 pm | Permalink

    Another perspective of why this is about Stannis (and possibly Davos), is that the character of Horatio from Hamlet is very much like Davos in personality/role…loyal, levelheaded, etc. Having the *writer* in the clue being Horatio lines up with *Davos* as the POV/writer for Stannis’s story.

    Nothing new, just confirms what folks are already saying.

  101. Will Perkins
    Posted May 26, 2011 at 2:12 pm | Permalink

    For what it’s worth… the significance of the number 22 in Tarot.

    In the divinatory tarot, there are 22 major arcana cards. These cards are numbered 0-21, so it is a matter of interpretation whether The Fool or The World is card number 22. The latter card is almost always associated with hard workers, a red-gold colour, and a rose-gold gemstone. The digital root of the 22 is the 4, which is the number of hard work.

  102. Mavis
    Posted May 26, 2011 at 2:13 pm | Permalink

    Sam Neill talking about “The Tudors”:

    I have to say I really enjoyed making The Tudors”, Neill said, “It was six months with a character that I found immensely intriguing, with a cast that I liked very much and with a story I found very compelling. It has elements that are hard to beat: revenge and betrayal, lust and treason, all the things that make for good stories

  103. paulgude
    Posted May 26, 2011 at 2:13 pm | Permalink

    Winter Is Coming,

    Yep. Figured that out a second after I posted.

  104. Gabe K.
    Posted May 26, 2011 at 2:13 pm | Permalink

    I’m going WAY out of left field here, but I looked up the bar code number and came up with a Kraftwerk album. Clue? Doubt it, but wanted to throw it out there…

    http://www.discogs.com/Kraftwerk-Just-A-Fest/release/2084839

  105. Jon
    Posted May 26, 2011 at 2:14 pm | Permalink

    George R.R. Martin must be laughing himself to death if he’s seeing all the speculation going on in this post. Obviousy that’s his intention.

  106. Mirax
    Posted May 26, 2011 at 2:14 pm | Permalink

    A quick search of Horation King Dream brought up this interesting old article. Brings me back to Mel… She claims to have prophetic visions and IMO has been lying to Stannis (aka Horatio King) about the truth of her visions. Thoughts?

  107. paulgude
    Posted May 26, 2011 at 2:15 pm | Permalink

    Shinyteapot,

    That might also explain the “Three children” note.

  108. Jaqen H'ghar
    Posted May 26, 2011 at 2:15 pm | Permalink

    This probably means nothing, but did anyone else notice how the book titles credited to the fictional “Horatio King” sound like Wheel of Time novels?

    “Prince of CHAOS” (“Lord of Chaos”)
    The WHEEL of Fire
    Pillars of TIME

    Like I said, it could mean nothing, but perhaps GRRM was just having fun with the book titles and they are a red herring as well.

  109. Gaines
    Posted May 26, 2011 at 2:15 pm | Permalink

    Blackfish Blues,

    I think Melisandre would suit him the best. Or Ygritte. Or both.

  110. Spork
    Posted May 26, 2011 at 2:16 pm | Permalink

    Gabe K.,

    The album which is titled “Just a Fest.” Stannis is just…

  111. Wolf of Dorne
    Posted May 26, 2011 at 2:17 pm | Permalink

    About Ian McShane, he played a sort-of biblical king in a NBC series called “Kings”. Something to do with the clues, maybe?

  112. Gwalchmai
    Posted May 26, 2011 at 2:17 pm | Permalink

    It’s Ian McShane=Mance Rayder

  113. MikeFromBraavos
    Posted May 26, 2011 at 2:17 pm | Permalink
  114. biliki
    Posted May 26, 2011 at 2:17 pm | Permalink

    Gabe K.,

    Great find, I love Kraftwerk :P
    No idea what this could mean, though!

    And
    Jon,
    I really hope he’s reading this post, it must be very amusing for him! :P

    EDIT: Tony Curran played King Stephen in PotE. I know, I am obssessed with him, but people were asking for angelic names! :P Stephen is angelic, I’m Greek and in greek “fotostefanο” means “halo”.

  115. durandal
    Posted May 26, 2011 at 2:17 pm | Permalink

    Just for fun:

    “I’m not Oliver King” = King Oliver
    King Oliver was a Jazz musician,
    “I did however inspire him” = Louis Armstrong was King Olivers’ protege,
    Jonas Armstrong is a british actor who played in BBC’s “Robin Hood”,
    Jonas Armstrong = Davos?
    How much furhter can I fetch it? :-)

  116. Tar Kidho
    Posted May 26, 2011 at 2:18 pm | Permalink

    Gabe K.,

    I would be highly surprized if GRRM listens to Kraftwerk :-) Anyway, someone else already found the barcode to belong to an album of Bob Dylan (if I remember correctly – it’s somewhere higher in the thread), which I find a more likely candidate. Then again, if two albums from two eras have the same barcode, it might also mean nothing…

  117. Tar Kidho
    Posted May 26, 2011 at 2:19 pm | Permalink

    GRRM, if you are reading along, then know this: you have just made our days, but spoiled our working days ;-)

  118. Blackfish Blues
    Posted May 26, 2011 at 2:20 pm | Permalink

    Gaines:
    Blackfish Blues,
    I think Melisandre would suit him the best. Or Ygritte. Or both.

    HAHAHAHAHAAA, yes, I’ve already thought about that. No, not about Melisandre or Ygritte, but that it would make no sense getting a natural redhead and dyeing him grey.

    OR WOULD IT?

  119. Spork
    Posted May 26, 2011 at 2:21 pm | Permalink

    durandal,

    Technically, King Oliver inspired Louis Armstrong, but the clue states it the other way around.

  120. Mirax
    Posted May 26, 2011 at 2:21 pm | Permalink

    Jaqen H’ghar,

    I made a similar connection. : )

  121. Petter Kristian Vikestad
    Posted May 26, 2011 at 2:21 pm | Permalink

    Nicholas Farrell played Horatio in Hamlet (1996)
    Stephen Dillane played Horatio in Hamlet (1990)
    Dillane for great justice! He has HBO connections from John Adams where he played Thomas Jefferson!!

  122. Lynn
    Posted May 26, 2011 at 2:21 pm | Permalink

    Gwalchmai,

    Is Mance Rayder even in season 2?

    I love Ian McShane, but he is 69. IMO, too old for someone to portray a warrior who commands the respect of some very warrior cultures. Mance should be in his mid-40′s… James Purefoy would be great :)

  123. paulgude
    Posted May 26, 2011 at 2:23 pm | Permalink

    MikeFromBraavos,

    Hmm…Ben Barnes played Prince Caspian. Could be nothing, but still interesting enough to mention.

  124. Franny Bee
    Posted May 26, 2011 at 2:23 pm | Permalink

    David Oakes (Pillars of the Earth, currently on The Borgias) as Stannis.

    David from the bible reference (Isaiah 22:22), Oakes from references to towering. And 95% random speculation.

    (I am a virgin guesser, apologies if I suck at this.)

  125. Tar Kidho
    Posted May 26, 2011 at 2:23 pm | Permalink

    MikeFromBraavos:
    That barcode also matches the DVD for “Dorian Gray”.

    http://www.icollectmedia.com/details/movie/Dorian%20Gray/125002741350/
    http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1235124/

    WTH, then suddenly several clues (King’s Speech, David Gray) come together and point to Colling freak’n Firth??? Surely we cannot get HIM in GoT, that would just be tooooo much goodness…

  126. KG
    Posted May 26, 2011 at 2:24 pm | Permalink

    Jay Bushman,

    He’d be fantastic, and the only suggestion for Stannis I’ve approved of.

  127. Lina
    Posted May 26, 2011 at 2:24 pm | Permalink

    Jay Bushman:
    Matthew MacFadyen for Stannis

    Oliver King was associated with the restoration of an Abbey.MacFadyen played the monk who dreamt about building a cathedral in “Pillars of the Earth”And the bio for Horatio King says he is writing “Pillars of Time”

    **Edited for proper spelling of MacFadyen
    http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0532193/

    I like this. Though as some people already said, it could also point to Rufus Sewell, who played Tom Builder, the cathedral architect, in the show.

    Also like the idea of Henry VIII. I guess it all depends on how you look at Oliver King’s inspiration: a predecessor, or the man he believed should be king.

  128. Melissa Champagne
    Posted May 26, 2011 at 2:24 pm | Permalink

    Check out the quote for Kings 22:22. Any ideas on the lying spirit in the mouths of all his prophets?

  129. Jordan Healey
    Posted May 26, 2011 at 2:26 pm | Permalink

    with that Dorian Gray barcode thing

    Emilia Fox was in Dorian Gray and was also in Merlin

  130. biliki
    Posted May 26, 2011 at 2:27 pm | Permalink

    Franny Bee,

    David Oakes was so impressive in PotE, but he’s far too young for Stannis! Well, in the books Stannis is in his early 30s, and David is in his late 20s, but in the show they’ve aged Robert (who’s supposed to be a year older than Stannis) up, so I don’t think David fits. But he’s perfect with red hair, so… Edmure? Edmure is like, 28 in a Storm of Swords? I don’t remember exactly, but I think he’s around that age. Definitely middle to late twenties!

  131. jellydonut
    Posted May 26, 2011 at 2:27 pm | Permalink

    http://www.icollectmedia.com/details/movie/Dorian%20Gray/125002741350/

    This is the bar code of the book, the DVD for ‘Dorian Gray’. (directed by OLIVER Parker) Colin Firth plays in this movie. Colin Firth had the lead in ‘The King’s Speech’, as KING George VI. ‘The King’s Speech’ was cast by Nina Gold.

    Seems like one helluva coincidence, but could also be a red herring..

  132. McSherrie
    Posted May 26, 2011 at 2:27 pm | Permalink

    I’m not sure who he would be, but here is an actor whose nickname is “Cal”, like the prince: http://www.imdb.com/name/nm1420279/

    He’s far too young to be Stannis, but could be one of Davos’ sons at Blackwater. Weren’t there three of them there?

  133. Blackfish Blues
    Posted May 26, 2011 at 2:28 pm | Permalink

    Tar Kidho,
    Hell, if they get Colin Firth for Stannis, I’m ready to accept 75% of each ep with Roz moaning.

  134. durandal
    Posted May 26, 2011 at 2:28 pm | Permalink

    Spork,

    True, plus Jonas Armstrong doesn’t even look like a Davos, so, complete waste time.

  135. Will Perkins
    Posted May 26, 2011 at 2:28 pm | Permalink

    Here’s a laugh: Horatio King

    The name Horatio is derived from Horatius; also known as Horace, the famed Roman poet.

    The “king” during the time of Horace was Emperor Augustus… who was played by Simon Woods on Rome.

    http://www.imdb.com/name/nm1373034/

    Just a thought.

  136. MikeFromBraavos
    Posted May 26, 2011 at 2:28 pm | Permalink

    Something else… searching for 22:22 brought me to the Vimeo page for “22:22 Productions”… which appearantly has been working on some projects with Amy-Joyce Hastings… check out her IMDB pic… remind you of anyone??

    http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0368557/

    http://vimeo.com/user2171576

  137. Spork
    Posted May 26, 2011 at 2:29 pm | Permalink

    Melissa Champagne,

    That makes me think of Melisandre, who many believe to be lying to Stannis (her king).

  138. Josh Parker
    Posted May 26, 2011 at 2:29 pm | Permalink

    Anybody want to guess what “Just For the Record” has to do with it?

  139. For Dragons Fly
    Posted May 26, 2011 at 2:29 pm | Permalink

    It may be a random guess, since it overall seems to point to Baratheon house, but if the “king” in the clue is the author of “Prince of chaos”, for me it rings a bell with Balon being Theon’s father, who became a prince after his father was proclaimed king.

  140. Josh Parker
    Posted May 26, 2011 at 2:30 pm | Permalink

    MikeFromBraavos,

    Oh. My. R’hllor.

  141. Tar Kidho
    Posted May 26, 2011 at 2:31 pm | Permalink

    Jordan Healey,

    When I saw her in Merlin I actually thought she could make a decent Melisandre, despite the awkward writing on that series.

  142. jwsnasa
    Posted May 26, 2011 at 2:31 pm | Permalink

    22:22 is also a Alt-Rock band.

    http://www.myspace.com/twentytwo22

  143. Spork
    Posted May 26, 2011 at 2:32 pm | Permalink

    Josh Parker,

    Referring to the record the barcode was for? Probably the Dylan album, not the Kraftwerk, I would guess. What was the title of that album?

  144. Samantha Hirst
    Posted May 26, 2011 at 2:32 pm | Permalink

    Lina,

    It could also point to Eddie Redmayne who played Jack Jackson in PoTE, who built a cathedral. Too young for Stannis though.

  145. Winter Is Coming
    Posted May 26, 2011 at 2:32 pm | Permalink

    Amy Joyce Hastings auditioned for Doreah too. Hmm….

  146. MikeFromBraavos
    Posted May 26, 2011 at 2:32 pm | Permalink

    I just found this WIC article from last year with a link to an audtion video from Amy-Joyce Hastings for Doreah.

    The video is password protected now – not sure if that means anything.

    http://winter-is-coming.net/2010/05/more-thrones-audition-videos/

  147. Arya's Cat
    Posted May 26, 2011 at 2:33 pm | Permalink

    Hayley Atwell as Melisandra? In “Pillars of the Earth” (one of the eps is titled “The Work of Angels”), “Cassandra’s Dream,” “Love Hate.”

  148. Fazil
    Posted May 26, 2011 at 2:33 pm | Permalink

    If we leave Pillars of Earth aside, and do a switch with “forthcoming book” titles, we get pillars of fire, which is another biblical reference (along with 22:22). Pillars of fire are manifestation of god by night, so it maybe points to a character, Melisandre of course. Perhaps an actress named Olive (from the Oliver King hint). However, name has many variants – Olivia, Livia, Liv… Plenty of ideas there :)

  149. darksofa
    Posted May 26, 2011 at 2:33 pm | Permalink

    My favourite part of the book blurb is “blood-spewing dragons” that are apparently on the rise. Anyway, to expand upon the “trilogy” theme, there are three potential plots raised in the blurb

    Plots
    1. “Viles beasts stalk the boundary for unwary human prey”
    2. “Blood-spewing dragons that are rumored to be on the rise”
    3. “Dead ancestors on the hunt for their underworld masters”

    These are either a) really hilarious filler he included for fun, or b) book/movie plots that may correlate to a chosen actor.

    Other trilogy elements
    Three characters mentioned:
    1. Prince Cal
    2. Princess Grace
    3. Lord Krohl

    Three books:
    1. Prince of Chaos
    2. The Wheel of Fire
    3. Pillars of Time

  150. Ellen
    Posted May 26, 2011 at 2:33 pm | Permalink

    Could it be Ioan Gruffudd?

    He was in Amazing GRACE, cast by Nina Gold
    as well as HORATIO

    Horatio seems a bit obvious though…

  151. Petter Kristian Vikestad
    Posted May 26, 2011 at 2:33 pm | Permalink

    Alun Armstrong for Balon Greyjoy?

  152. Josh Parker
    Posted May 26, 2011 at 2:33 pm | Permalink

    Spork,

    Don’t think you were trying to reply to me. I have no clue what that barcode means.

  153. Shinyteapot
    Posted May 26, 2011 at 2:33 pm | Permalink

    MikeFromBraavos,

    Amy Joyce Hastings auditioned for Doreah, her video was posted here. Maybe she’s been called back for another role?

    I don’t think this is likely at all, but just in case- Eve Newton played CAL in an episode of Doctor Who (time reference). She’d still be a child, but could perhaps play Shireen?

  154. The Rabbit
    Posted May 26, 2011 at 2:34 pm | Permalink

    MikeFromBraavos,

    Hmmm…could be.

    I think that some of you who think there are three characters in the one clue – could be right.
    The crown presents Stannis or Balon.
    The fire Mel.
    And the sword…Brienne.

  155. Mirax
    Posted May 26, 2011 at 2:34 pm | Permalink

    Melissa Champagne,
    Spork,

    Agreed on it sounding like Mel. Then again, what little clue searching I’ve done has all reminded me of Mel. I think if this is a triple clue, it’s gotta be Mel and Stannis, along with (Fill in the blank here).

  156. Will Perkins
    Posted May 26, 2011 at 2:34 pm | Permalink

    Anyone?

    Simon Woods played “Horatio King” Emperor Augustus on Rome (cast by Nina Gold) and also appeared in Starter for 10 (cast by Nina Gold)

  157. Steel_Wind
    Posted May 26, 2011 at 2:35 pm | Permalink

    The Rabbit:
    Josh Parker,

    Thatguy screams Edmure to me.

    If you are referring to Tony Curran – I agree.

    I would much prefer Rufus Sewell for Stannis. Rufus has an intimidating element to his on screen persona which Stannis requires. Robert may have been able to glad0hand and Renly may be princely – but Stannis was the brother who narroed his eyes, nursed his hurts and jaelousis and was to be feared.

    That’s Rufus Sewell, to a Tee.

  158. Tar Kidho
    Posted May 26, 2011 at 2:35 pm | Permalink

    Blackfish Blues,

    It would be Harry-Lloyd-meets-Viserys all over again: I would suddenly start to love a character that I hated in the books!

  159. paulgude
    Posted May 26, 2011 at 2:37 pm | Permalink

    darksofa,

    There are also three stylistic elements.

    Crown = Stannis
    Fire = Mel
    Swords = ??

    Maybe speculation, but there are a lot of threes here…

  160. CatelynStark
    Posted May 26, 2011 at 2:37 pm | Permalink

    GRRM says: “For the Record I am not Oliver King, I did however inspire him.” Charles ‘Buddy’ Bolden (who was also known as ‘King’ Bolden) inspired Joe ‘King’ Oliver. No idea what that may mean though …

  161. Dante
    Posted May 26, 2011 at 2:38 pm | Permalink

    Someone on GRRM’s blog comments apparently got the right answer: Morgan Deare

    https://www.facebook.com/mdeare

    (just passing this along. I didn’t get any of the clues)

  162. paulgude
    Posted May 26, 2011 at 2:38 pm | Permalink

    The Rabbit,

    Awww…jinx!

  163. Jerelyn
    Posted May 26, 2011 at 2:39 pm | Permalink

    *delete* Awww too slow!

  164. EvilPicnic
    Posted May 26, 2011 at 2:39 pm | Permalink

    Check the Not A Blog comments:

    veDracula wrote:
    May. 26th, 2011 06:33 pm (UTC)
    Morgan Deare
    So apparently this actor Morgan Deare is going to play Horatio King in an upcoming film The Callback Queen. Don’t really understand the other hints.
    Link | Reply | Thread
    grrm wrote:
    May. 26th, 2011 06:36 pm (UTC)
    Re: Morgan Deare
    Give Dracula a cigar.

    So that’s right apparently. But I kind of think there might be more to it, can we get anyone else?

  165. Nic
    Posted May 26, 2011 at 2:40 pm | Permalink

    AliveDracula wrote:
    May. 26th, 2011 06:33 pm (UTC)
    Morgan Deare
    So apparently this actor Morgan Deare is going to play Horatio King in an upcoming film The Callback Queen. Don’t really understand the other hints.

    [info]grrm wrote:
    May. 26th, 2011 06:36 pm (UTC)
    Re: Morgan Deare
    Give Dracula a cigar.

  166. Spork
    Posted May 26, 2011 at 2:40 pm | Permalink

    darksofa,

    The Rabbit,

    I think you two are on the right track: Three characters, with separate clues for each. we know HBO’s been seeing auditions for these characters.

  167. Petter Kristian Vikestad
    Posted May 26, 2011 at 2:40 pm | Permalink

    Josh Parker,

    Could easily be Davos or Edmure. If that is the case then there have to be several characters cast in that one clue.

  168. Shinyteapot
    Posted May 26, 2011 at 2:40 pm | Permalink

    darksofa,

    The third quote might refer to someone who was in the underworld films? I think you’re right, they probably do mean something.

  169. Henkan
    Posted May 26, 2011 at 2:41 pm | Permalink

    I think we have clues that point to three different actors being cast, and the main characters in the fake novel pointing to who they’ll be playing – worth noting is that Asimov wrote a story called “Cal” about a robot who wanted to learn to write from its master. Davos, anyone?

  170. Jamie
    Posted May 26, 2011 at 2:42 pm | Permalink

    And The Callback Queen stars… Amy Joyce Hastings!

    Also: Morgan Deare’s the dude on the cover

  171. EvilPicnic
    Posted May 26, 2011 at 2:42 pm | Permalink

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F2f3EEPolLs

    But too old for Stannis, surely??? There is no way he could look younger than Mark Addy’s Robert…

  172. Jerelyn
    Posted May 26, 2011 at 2:42 pm | Permalink

    The Callback Queen with this Morgan Deare features Amy Joyce Hastings, already mentioned in this post via the 22:22 connection.

    Edit: Argh too slow again! *laugh*

  173. Nick Larter
    Posted May 26, 2011 at 2:43 pm | Permalink

    When Oliver King restored Bath Abbey, the facade was decorated with a scene of angels ascending a ladder to heaven. Kings’s inspiration for this was Jacob and his dream of the eponymous Ladder (Genesis 28). So if I had to guess, our actor would be named Jacob, or else have recently played a well known character with that name.

    As an aside, Jacob’s dream occurred on the road to Harran – so an alternative interpretation might be that the casting is for one of the characters who is mainly associated with Harranhal next season (Roose? Vargo?).

  174. Spork
    Posted May 26, 2011 at 2:43 pm | Permalink

    EvilPicnic,

    Which is also starring Amy Joyce hastings, who maybe got a callback for Melisandre, after auditioning for Doreah???

    ETA: I see I’m not the first to make this connection, but I think we have our Mel…

  175. Petter Kristian Vikestad
    Posted May 26, 2011 at 2:44 pm | Permalink

    Balon for Deare then?

  176. Hawk
    Posted May 26, 2011 at 2:44 pm | Permalink

    Morgan Deare looks more like a Blackfish…

  177. darksofa
    Posted May 26, 2011 at 2:45 pm | Permalink

    Jerelyn,

    She was also in Fools of Fortune with Iain Glen. Not sure if that’s relevant though…

  178. Shinyteapot
    Posted May 26, 2011 at 2:46 pm | Permalink

    EvilPicnic,

    http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0213148/ Morgan Deare on imdb

    He was in Doctor Who which may be the time reference.

  179. Tar Kidho
    Posted May 26, 2011 at 2:46 pm | Permalink

    Jerelyn,

    I had a look at some clips there and the acting did not exactly impress me. Anyone seen her in something and how did you like her?

  180. Gabe K.
    Posted May 26, 2011 at 2:47 pm | Permalink

    So, Morgan Deare, huh? Looked at his IMDB page, has a bit of work, but virtual unknown. Guessing Stannis role.

  181. The Rabbit
    Posted May 26, 2011 at 2:47 pm | Permalink

    Got one Amy Joyce Hastings is the one. Mel, most probaly.

    Morgan Deare is Horatio King in the Callback queen and Amy is also in that film!

  182. Jamie
    Posted May 26, 2011 at 2:47 pm | Permalink

    Spork,

    I like the cut of your jib, sir :)

  183. BraavosTwennyMinutes
    Posted May 26, 2011 at 2:48 pm | Permalink

    I don’t think this has anything to do with the clue itself, but the phrase “blood-spewing dragons” cracks me up.

  184. Steel_Wind
    Posted May 26, 2011 at 2:48 pm | Permalink

    Winter Is Coming:
    Ro, yup, a lot of work went into this clue. Clearly this whole “finished writing ADWD” thing means GRRM has way too much time on his hands!

    The difference is, if ADwD was not finished and GRRM had spent this kind of time creating a clue like this, I would have resented it all to hell. (sorry, but that’s the truth)

    Now, I can (happily) smile in wonder at his cunning devilry and not resent the obvious time he has taken to create this so that I can enjoy the clues thoroughly in the spirit as was intended.

    Thanks George! :P

  185. Tar Kidho
    Posted May 26, 2011 at 2:48 pm | Permalink

    Shinyteapot,

    My guess is they would cast him for Davos…

  186. C2
    Posted May 26, 2011 at 2:49 pm | Permalink

    The Rabbit,

    Come on! She’s only 5’6! What will TSK say to this travesty!?! :)

  187. niceshot
    Posted May 26, 2011 at 2:49 pm | Permalink

    Paul Hilton played Henry the VII in Princes in the Tower (henry the 7th inspired oliver king) and will play Davos the Horatio to the prince of chaos Stannis

  188. Jenny
    Posted May 26, 2011 at 2:50 pm | Permalink

    Ok – who of those has player Horatio in Stage in a Hamlet production?

  189. Dylan
    Posted May 26, 2011 at 2:51 pm | Permalink

    Okay i’m pretty sure that the barcode doesnt mean anything as it is the first google image result for “barcode”
    http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=barcode&rlz=1B3GGLL_en___US417&um=1&ie=UTF-8&tbm=isch&source=og&sa=N&tab=wi&biw=1162&bih=941

  190. Sawyer
    Posted May 26, 2011 at 2:51 pm | Permalink

    Hawk: o. Hm

    Just thought the same. But where are the Blackfish hints?

  191. The Rabbit
    Posted May 26, 2011 at 2:51 pm | Permalink

    C2,

    If he would have some complaints to share here – I would track him down and show him what barking really means! :D

  192. Winter Is Coming
    Posted May 26, 2011 at 2:52 pm | Permalink

    Someone go post the Amy Joyce Hastings as Mel guess on GRRM’s blog! I think that might be correct.

  193. Petter Kristian Vikestad
    Posted May 26, 2011 at 2:52 pm | Permalink

    Amy Joyce Hastings is Ygritte, right?

  194. DendasGarrett
    Posted May 26, 2011 at 2:53 pm | Permalink

    The Rabbit:
    Got one Amy Joyce Hastings is the one. Mel, most probaly.

    Morgan Deare is Horatio King in the Callback queen and Amy is also in that film!

    And 22:22 production produced the movie “Hear me Now” that Amy wrote and Directed… I think we can stop the guessing?

    http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1533037/

  195. John Engedal
    Posted May 26, 2011 at 2:54 pm | Permalink

    The Rabbit:
    C2,

    If he would have some complaints to share here – I would track him down and show him what barking really means!

    HAHAHA! :)

  196. Jenny
    Posted May 26, 2011 at 2:54 pm | Permalink

    Since we are at CSI Winterfell, why not … Ok someone said that already.

  197. Spork
    Posted May 26, 2011 at 2:55 pm | Permalink
  198. Tar Kidho
    Posted May 26, 2011 at 2:56 pm | Permalink

    Winter Is Coming,

    Yes, go reclaim our honour, because we’ve lost it on that Morgan Deare clue!

    Petter Kristian Vikestad,

    That’s easier to imagine than her playing Melisandre. So the fire maybe didn’t point to the Red Priestess but to fiery Ygritte!

  199. MikeFromBraavos
    Posted May 26, 2011 at 2:57 pm | Permalink

    Check out this magazine interview with Amy Joyce Hastings, where she says “My dream role would be Eowyn in the LOTR film… I’m actually a total nerd. Sci-fi and fantasy all the way!”

    Not a clue or anything, just thought I’d share.

    Oh, and she has a shout-out to Ioan Gruffudd in there too, which someone mentioned above.

    http://amyjoycehastings.com/press/umaginterview2010.jpg

    Could it be Stannis, Mel, and Davos?

  200. John Engedal
    Posted May 26, 2011 at 2:57 pm | Permalink

    Petter Kristian Vikestad:
    Amy Joyce Hastings is Ygritte, right?

    Yeah, I would think so. Seems like a perfect Ygritte actually!

  201. Steel_Wind
    Posted May 26, 2011 at 2:57 pm | Permalink

    Winter Is Coming:
    Someone go post the Amy Joyce Hastings as Mel guess on GRRM’s blog! I think that might be correct.

    As Melisandre? I would agree. This seems to be the best bet.

    She’s not Horatio King — she inspired him (in the Callback Queen)

  202. Steel_Wind
    Posted May 26, 2011 at 2:58 pm | Permalink

    John Engedal: Yeah, I would think so. Seems like a perfect Ygritte actually!

    Too old for Ygritte. Looks more like Melisandre to me.

  203. durandal
    Posted May 26, 2011 at 2:59 pm | Permalink

    Morgan Deare.
    Someone over ‘Not a blog’ guest it I think.

    Hoster Tully?
    Oops!

  204. Steel_Wind
    Posted May 26, 2011 at 2:59 pm | Permalink

    DendasGarrett: And 22:22 production produced the movie “Hear me Now” that Amy wrote and Directed… I think we can stop the guessing?

    http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1533037/

    Ding Ding!! Winner.

  205. Cristina Valencia
    Posted May 26, 2011 at 2:59 pm | Permalink

    well, Amy Joyce Hastings looks more like an Ygritte to me.

  206. Ro
    Posted May 26, 2011 at 3:00 pm | Permalink

    I’m thinking the hint is only for one person. Which is why all the language indicates first person. GRRM is very good about hinting at the number of people he’s posting about, so I’m pretty sure there’s only one person, and that it’s Amy Joyce Hastings based on all the speculation so far. The rest of the book cover other than “Horatio King”, the picture of the author, and the 22:22 Productions is likely just filler that GRRM amused himself with.

  207. Arya's Cat
    Posted May 26, 2011 at 3:00 pm | Permalink

    Is Michael Sheen too big a name to consider for Stannis? “Underworld,” “Dr. Who,” “Kingdom of Heaven,” “Timeline.”

  208. Petter Kristian Vikestad
    Posted May 26, 2011 at 3:00 pm | Permalink

    Steel_Wind,

    She might be 31, but she surely doesn’t look it. I think she would make a great Ygritte.

  209. Kevin Kenney
    Posted May 26, 2011 at 3:01 pm | Permalink
  210. Emerson
    Posted May 26, 2011 at 3:02 pm | Permalink

    Ro:
    I’m thinking the hint is only for one person.Which is why all the language indicates first person.GRRM is very good about hinting at the number of people he’s posting about, so I’m pretty sure there’s only one person, and that it’s Amy Joyce Hastings based on all the speculation so far.The rest of the book cover other than “Horatio King”, the picture of the author, and the 22:22 Productions is likely just filler that GRRM amused himself with.

    Then why would GRRM comment on the Morgan Deare response?

  211. Ro
    Posted May 26, 2011 at 3:02 pm | Permalink

    durandal,

    Morgan Deare is only a piece of the puzzle, not the actual solution. At least that’s what I think. GRRM gave him a cigar for solving a piece of the puzzle.

  212. Henkan
    Posted May 26, 2011 at 3:03 pm | Permalink

    Did anyone else notice the “A towering achievement, King is a master storyteller!”-comment? Seems like a hint to Stephen King’s Dark Tower somehow.

  213. Dany's Knickers
    Posted May 26, 2011 at 3:04 pm | Permalink

    Well, I think we found our Melisandre.

    MikeFromBraavos:
    Something else… searching for 22:22 brought me to the Vimeo page for “22:22 Productions”… which appearantly has been working on some projects with Amy-Joyce Hastings… check out her IMDB pic… remind you of anyone??

    http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0368557/

    http://vimeo.com/user2171576

  214. Steve the Pirate
    Posted May 26, 2011 at 3:04 pm | Permalink

    Amy Joyce Hastings was on an episode of The Tudors. I’d say you guys have done it, she’s the one. The only question is, Mel or Ygritte.

  215. Tar Kidho
    Posted May 26, 2011 at 3:05 pm | Permalink

    Steel_Wind: As Melisandre? I would agree. This seems to be the best bet.

    She’s not Horatio King — she inspired him (in the Callback Queen)

    Actually, are we sure that the clue means that Morgan Daere is cast, or was he just part of the clue meaning to lead to Hastings? Or even to Rachel Cullen who plays in both Hear me Now (directed by Hastings) and The Callback Queen? GRRM’s comment is not entirely clear about this, and man, we know he likes to trick us :-)

  216. Petter Kristian Vikestad
    Posted May 26, 2011 at 3:06 pm | Permalink

    Someone explain “Oliver” from the clue? A complete red herring?

  217. McSherrie
    Posted May 26, 2011 at 3:06 pm | Permalink

    Winter Is Coming,

    I posted it, credited to the entire crew here. Now we just sit back and wait… ;)

  218. Kevin Kenney
    Posted May 26, 2011 at 3:07 pm | Permalink

    Steve the Pirate,

    The went to trinity acting college.

  219. Alex
    Posted May 26, 2011 at 3:08 pm | Permalink

    “Horatio” comes from “horatius”, which means “time”. That’s probably a clue.

  220. The Rabbit
    Posted May 26, 2011 at 3:09 pm | Permalink

    I think it is 99% Mel.
    The image on that cover suggests so.

    But, the question is: Is there more than a one clue in it?

  221. Maxwell James
    Posted May 26, 2011 at 3:11 pm | Permalink

    Melisandre makes more sense than Ygritte, because the book title is _prince_ of chaos. I.e., the prince that was promised.

  222. jwsnasa
    Posted May 26, 2011 at 3:11 pm | Permalink

    The Rabbit,

    There has to be. There’s much, much more info on the cover…plus the Oliver King reference.

  223. C2
    Posted May 26, 2011 at 3:12 pm | Permalink

    McSherrie,

    Did it actually post? I don’t see it as a comment.

  224. Josh Parker
    Posted May 26, 2011 at 3:12 pm | Permalink

    Maxwell James,

    Also the casting side for Mel is already out there, and it’s not impossible they’ll cast Ygritte during filming rather than immediately because she doesn’t show up until the end of the season. Like maybe even the last two episodes.

  225. Chris Johnson
    Posted May 26, 2011 at 3:13 pm | Permalink

    I’m pretty sure the bar code is a red herring. I’ve gotten multiple hits for various albums by searching for it. However, what’s more important I think is that if you google image search for “barcode” it’s the 2nd result. I think they just picked it at random to make it look authentic.

    Nevermind. Not only has someone already pointed this out, the puzzle has already been solved.

  226. Karl
    Posted May 26, 2011 at 3:15 pm | Permalink

    If she’s Ygritte, then I’m quite willing to bet we’re getting Kate Beckinsale as Brienne, Clive Owen as Patchface and last year’s Miss Universe winner as Shireen Baratheon.

  227. Arya's Cat
    Posted May 26, 2011 at 3:15 pm | Permalink

    Petter Kristian Vikestad,

    Sheen was Lord Oliver in “Timelin.” I’m just guessing. And hoping.

  228. Mike
    Posted May 26, 2011 at 3:15 pm | Permalink

    In this video, she seems more like an Ygritte to me:

    Amy-Joyce Hastings Showreel

  229. Ryan McCoy
    Posted May 26, 2011 at 3:15 pm | Permalink

    AJH is in her 30′s. Way to old for Ygritte.

  230. Steven Scott
    Posted May 26, 2011 at 3:16 pm | Permalink

    I suppose Morgan Deare wouldn’t look nearly as old if you dyed his hair and mustache black.

  231. Winter Is Coming
    Posted May 26, 2011 at 3:16 pm | Permalink

    I’m pretty sure the clue is for only one role. The singular pronoun in “I am not Oliver King” seems to indicate that.

  232. The Rabbit
    Posted May 26, 2011 at 3:16 pm | Permalink

    Josh Parker,

    They are auditioning for Ygritte.
    GRRM confirmed in one of his comments few days ago.

  233. Maxwell James
    Posted May 26, 2011 at 3:18 pm | Permalink

    Petter Kristian Vikestad,

    Yeah, I still don’t quite get the Oliver King reference either, especially given the connection to Jacob’s Ladder. Maybe we’ll also get Macaulay Culkin as Stannis ;-)?

  234. The Rabbit
    Posted May 26, 2011 at 3:19 pm | Permalink

    Winter Is Coming,

    Good point. Have not got that in mind.

  235. Petter Kristian Vikestad
    Posted May 26, 2011 at 3:20 pm | Permalink

    The Rabbit,

    If so, then Rachel Cullen might be the answer.
    http://www.imdb.com/media/rm117411584/nm1754259

  236. Josh Parker
    Posted May 26, 2011 at 3:20 pm | Permalink

    Okay, I still see far more clues that this is for Mel than Ygritte.

  237. Ryan McCoy
    Posted May 26, 2011 at 3:22 pm | Permalink

    I dunno, I think this might be for two people.

    In the bio for horatio king, it says

    -wife and three kids (Hoster Tully)

    -lives in Houston, Texas (Hoster Tully)

  238. Yeremiah
    Posted May 26, 2011 at 3:23 pm | Permalink

    I think the clue is for Morgan Deare. He is the picture on the fake cover.

  239. Yeremiah
    Posted May 26, 2011 at 3:23 pm | Permalink

    Ryan McCoy,

    Could be Deare as Tully then.

  240. Brian Talbott
    Posted May 26, 2011 at 3:24 pm | Permalink

    On Amy Joyce Hastings’ Facebook wall she wrote about an hour ago: “loves a good bit of mischief! >;)”

    She’s certainly rockin that red hair.

  241. Tar Kidho
    Posted May 26, 2011 at 3:24 pm | Permalink

    Petter Kristian Vikestad:
    The Rabbit,

    If so, then Rachel Cullen might be the answer.
    http://www.imdb.com/media/rm117411584/nm1754259

    I said that allready, and given my history in guessing these clues, that must mean it’s wrong :-) I would prefer that though, since it would be a disappointment to me if Hastings would be cast as Mel…

  242. McSherrie
    Posted May 26, 2011 at 3:25 pm | Permalink

    C2: Did it actually post? I don’t see it as a comment.

    He was screening comments, but it is up now. According to the time stamp, we got the guess in second – although I still think House Gatewatch should be credited with the win. ;)

  243. Tar Kidho
    Posted May 26, 2011 at 3:27 pm | Permalink

    Brian Talbott,

    Ok, that’s that then… If you read this Amy, forgive me my previous post, and I look forward to you proving me wrong and give a stellar performance as Melissandre!

  244. Maxwell James
    Posted May 26, 2011 at 3:28 pm | Permalink

    Morgan Deare doesn’t look like Davos or Stannis to me – too old. Though if I had to pick it would be Davos. But he would make a fine Maester Cressen…

  245. John Engedal
    Posted May 26, 2011 at 3:29 pm | Permalink

    Brian Talbott:
    On Amy Joyce Hastings’ Facebook wall she wrote about an hour ago:“loves a good bit of mischief! >;)”

    She’s certainly rockin that red hair.

    + She likes the Game Of Thrones page, this could just be since she is a fan of fantasy and she auditioned for Doreah though. (If her fb page is real, guessing she´s not famous enough for it not to be.) :P

  246. Steve the Pirate
    Posted May 26, 2011 at 3:30 pm | Permalink

    Yeah, I think we shouldn’t ignore Morgan Deare. Hoster Tully is the best guess for him, and the HT (Houston TX) thing is dead on.

  247. Winter Is Coming
    Posted May 26, 2011 at 3:31 pm | Permalink

    McSherrie, I’m pretty sure rtrifts is Steel_Wind, so we win either way. :)

  248. McSherrie
    Posted May 26, 2011 at 3:31 pm | Permalink

    Do we want to post the MD/HT theory as well?

  249. Spork
    Posted May 26, 2011 at 3:31 pm | Permalink

    McSherrie,

    I also posted in favor our humble house, so I will apologize here for the double (triple?) post.

  250. paulgude
    Posted May 26, 2011 at 3:32 pm | Permalink

    Just to be thorough, are there any clues left over once we remove those that apply to Amy Joyce Hastings?

    I think she’s right, but just can’t shake the idea that there may be additional clues for additional characters.

    For example, if it were “I’m not HORATIO King, but I did inspire him,” then AJH takes care of that clue.

    It seems to me that either GRRM just made a mistake and typed “Oliver” instead of “Horatio,” or there’s some more info in there.

  251. McSherrie
    Posted May 26, 2011 at 3:33 pm | Permalink

    Spork,

    Winter Is Coming,

    I just think that it goes to show that House Gatewatch supports the bottom!

  252. paulgude
    Posted May 26, 2011 at 3:37 pm | Permalink

    Steve the Pirate,

    I’d buy the idea that Morgan Deare was just a route to AJH, but the H/T and three children seems like a Hoster Tully clue to me as well.

    If the idea of Morgan Deare and AJH being in both The Callback Queen and S2 seems like a stretch, it doesn’t change the fact that there seems to be something going on there.

  253. Will Perkins
    Posted May 26, 2011 at 3:38 pm | Permalink

    My money is on Ygritte. Hastings’ accent would suit a Wildling.

    Plus she’s got the crooked teeth to boot!

  254. McSherrie
    Posted May 26, 2011 at 3:40 pm | Permalink

    MD = HT has also now been posited – as will be seen once the comment is unscreened.

  255. dizzy_34
    Posted May 26, 2011 at 3:40 pm | Permalink

    Sheesh, get a little sucessful TV show and look at what these clues become. Late to the party again, but looks like good work has been done. This one is a freak’n doozy.

  256. fake-o name-o
    Posted May 26, 2011 at 3:41 pm | Permalink

    The author looks like Harve Presnell from Fargo

  257. McSherrie
    Posted May 26, 2011 at 3:43 pm | Permalink

    fake-o name-o: The author looks like Harve Presnell from Fargo

    That was my first thought too – mostly because I am rewatching The Pretender. But Mr Presnell sadly passed in 2009.

  258. Mirax
    Posted May 26, 2011 at 3:44 pm | Permalink

    paulgude: It seems to me that either GRRM just made a mistake and typed “Oliver” instead of “Horatio,” or there’s some more info in there.

    The Oliver King reference led us (or at least me) to assume that Mel is the character that has been cast, so I wouldn’t call that a mistake.

  259. Ryan McCoy
    Posted May 26, 2011 at 3:47 pm | Permalink

    fake-o name-o:
    The author looks like Harve Presnell from Fargo

    We’re not a bank, GRRM.

  260. Tar Kidho
    Posted May 26, 2011 at 3:47 pm | Permalink

    Assuming we are correct with AJH and(/or) MD, and there are no other castings to be found, then I wonder how much longer it took George to come up with the clues than it took House Gatewatch to unravel them :-)

    Alway support the bottom!

    [EDIT: of course we have to convince AliveDracula to join our House!]

  261. Ro
    Posted May 26, 2011 at 3:51 pm | Permalink

    Perhaps there’s a reason GRRM inserted the book cover picture in between his two lines. The first line is “I am not Oliver King.” Then he shows the book cover of an author named Horatio King and then the line, “But I did inspire him.” So maybe the inspire part is that AJH inspired Horatio King (Morgan Deare).

  262. paulgude
    Posted May 26, 2011 at 3:53 pm | Permalink

    Here’s a list of things I’m not sure are covered by AJH.

    Again, I think she’s right. I just think there may be some extra clues.

    1) The about-the-author section, including him having three children and Houston, Texas. Some suggest Hoster Tully, which I like.

    2) The Oliver King/Horatio King discrepancy.

    3) The £16.99 price.

    4) GRRM saying “Just for the Record,” at the beginning.

    5) Each bit of “atmospheric detail” he describes

    It’s possible that most of these are just incidental details added to pad the book cover, but it’s still a lot of information.

  263. Steel_Wind
    Posted May 26, 2011 at 3:54 pm | Permalink

    Winter Is Coming:
    McSherrie, I’m pretty sure rtrifts is Steel_Wind, so we win either way.

    You are correct sir!

  264. paulgude
    Posted May 26, 2011 at 3:57 pm | Permalink

    Mirax,

    Can you remind me of how that got you to Mel?

    I remember you mentioning a “vibe” it gave you…

  265. McSherrie
    Posted May 26, 2011 at 3:58 pm | Permalink

    The “blood-spewing dragons” could theoretically be linked to the sacrifices Mel says are necessary to wake the dragons – she calls out for royal blood repeatedly. Along those lines, the “vile beasts” could be the shadow babies. I’m not sure about the “dead ancestors” though…

  266. Graziano Manuele
    Posted May 26, 2011 at 3:58 pm | Permalink

    Tim Roth? “Lie To Me” has just been cancelled… and his character was called CAL Lightman….

  267. Mike
    Posted May 26, 2011 at 3:59 pm | Permalink

    I doubt GRRM (and crew) would put that much work into a clue for one actor. At minimum there’s 2 or 3 in there (AJH, MD??)

  268. McSherrie
    Posted May 26, 2011 at 4:00 pm | Permalink

    Graziano Manuele: Tim Roth? “Lie To Me” has just been cancelled… and his character was called CAL Lightman….

    That would make me so very happy…

  269. ANH
    Posted May 26, 2011 at 4:00 pm | Permalink

    paulgude:

    2) The Oliver King/Horatio King discrepancy.

    Oliver King supported Henry Tudor as king, and AJH had a guest role in the first episode of the Tudors. It could be that?

  270. The Winter Rose
    Posted May 26, 2011 at 4:01 pm | Permalink

    Mike: I doubt GRRM (and crew) would put that much work into a clue for one actor. At minimum there’s 2 or 3 in there (AJH, MD??)

    Especially since that cover mentions a trilogy. I think we’re looking for three actors.

  271. Amy-Joyce Hastings
    Posted May 26, 2011 at 4:02 pm | Permalink

    Hello,

    George just sent me a message about the casting specualtion on WIC.net about his blog. The reality is that while I would love to audition for Melisandre or Ygritte, I have not yet done so, nevermind being already cast!

    ‘The Callback Queen’ is a romantic comedy feature film the plot of which revolves around an actress auditioning for a movie adaptation of a series of fantasy novels (fictional) by the (again fictional) author Horatio King – George R R Martin was the inspiration for that character and the GOT series inspired the ‘Prince of Chaos’ book/film in the storyline. The image above is a graphic book jacket used as a prop in a scene in the film. Morgan Deare is the actor who plays Horatio in the film.

    I’m very flattered people assumed I was cast in GOT but wanted to set the record straight! Hope that helps clear up any remaining mystery! Thanks to George for creating a little buzz around the film too.

    Best wishes,

    Amy-Joyce Hastings

  272. Arya's Cat
    Posted May 26, 2011 at 4:02 pm | Permalink

    paulgude: 3) The £16.99 price.

    Year of birth for Michael Sheen: 1969

    Am I grasping at straws?

  273. Yeremiah
    Posted May 26, 2011 at 4:03 pm | Permalink

    Amy-Joyce Hastings,

    Wow that is awesome and hilarious.

  274. Maxwell James
    Posted May 26, 2011 at 4:04 pm | Permalink

    paulgude,

    I don’t know what Mirax saw, but three things jumped right out at me:

    - Oliver King was a priest, Melisandre is a priestess
    - The flames
    - She’s the inspiration for Stannis (prince, crown, etc.)

    Graziano Manuele,

    Good idea! Hell, not only is it Prince Cal on the cover, but Lightman evokes the Lord of Light.

  275. Molda
    Posted May 26, 2011 at 4:04 pm | Permalink

    The Winter Rose: Especially since that cover mentions a trilogy. I think we’re looking for three actors.

    And i think that we will have another “two books from the trilogy” to cover clues for another two roles. So one role per book with it’s own clues.

  276. NickS
    Posted May 26, 2011 at 4:04 pm | Permalink

    looks like Morgan Deare is our Hoster Tully then…

    thanks for posting, Amy-Joyce!

  277. John Engedal
    Posted May 26, 2011 at 4:04 pm | Permalink

    Amy-Joyce Hastings:
    Hello,

    George just sent me a message about the casting specualtion on WIC.net about his blog. The reality is that while I would love to audition for Melisandre or Ygritte, I have not yet done so, nevermind being already cast!

    ‘The Callback Queen’ is a romantic comedy feature film the plot of which revolves around an actress auditioning for a movie adaptation of a series of fantasy novels (fictional) by the (again fictional) author Horatio King – George R R Martin was the inspiration for that character and the GOT series inspired the ‘Prince of Chaos’ book/film in the storyline. The image above is a graphic book jacket used as a prop in a scene in the film. Morgan Deare is the actor who plays Horatio in the film.

    I’m very flattered people assumed I was cast in GOT but wanted to set the record straight! Hope that helps clear up any remaining mystery! Thanks to George for creating a little buzz around the film too.

    Best wishes,

    Amy-Joyce Hastings

    Ups…:P

  278. paulgude
    Posted May 26, 2011 at 4:05 pm | Permalink

    Graziano Manuele,

    I’ve been hoping Tim Roth would be cast in this now that Lie to Me was cancelled, but I didn’t even think to match Prince Cal with Cal Lightman.

    I very much like that idea.

  279. dizzy_34
    Posted May 26, 2011 at 4:05 pm | Permalink

    Mike: I doubt GRRM (and crew) would put that much work into a clue for one actor. At minimum there’s 2 or 3 in there (AJH, MD??)

    I think you’re right, however I don’t think we’ll know that until some kind of confirmation is made.

  280. Jenny
    Posted May 26, 2011 at 4:05 pm | Permalink

    LOL so this wasn’t even a casting clue!!

    Hahaha!
    You will get an awful lot of publicity now, Amy.

  281. fuelpagan
    Posted May 26, 2011 at 4:06 pm | Permalink

    Just throwing this out there…

    Princess Grace
    Beasts stalking
    “Prince of Chaos”

    Victoria Stilwell for Margaery.

    Not much “acting” credit, but sure does have the look.
    Note: Episode 1.2 of “It’s me or the Dog” was titled “Prince of Chaos” even though IMDB doesn’t list it.

  282. McSherrie
    Posted May 26, 2011 at 4:06 pm | Permalink

    Amy-Joyce Hastings,

    Thank you for stopping by and setting us straight, Amy! I do hope that we get to see you in GoT at some point – and that you will continue stopping by here in the meantime. :)

  283. Tar Kidho
    Posted May 26, 2011 at 4:06 pm | Permalink

    Prince of Chaos: Stannis
    Wheel of Fire: Melisandre
    Pillars of Time: Davos (for supporting Stannis) or Hoster Tully (for being old)

    ???

    EDIT: just notice that it says the *forthcoming* Pillars of Time, so if these book titles point to characters cast, clues for the latter may still come in the future?

  284. Arya's Cat
    Posted May 26, 2011 at 4:07 pm | Permalink

    Amy-Joyce Hastings,

    Thank you for letting us know! That was very kind of you.

  285. Yeremiah
    Posted May 26, 2011 at 4:07 pm | Permalink

    Is it possible that this is not a casting clue at all and George just wanted to show us a character that was inspired by him?

  286. DendasGarrett
    Posted May 26, 2011 at 4:08 pm | Permalink

    I believe the sound you are looking for is… whaw whaw whawwwwwww

  287. Mike
    Posted May 26, 2011 at 4:08 pm | Permalink

    Amy-Joyce Hastings:
    Hello,

    George just sent me a message about the casting specualtion on WIC.net about his blog. The reality is that while I would love to audition for Melisandre or Ygritte, I have not yet done so, nevermind being already cast!

    ‘The Callback Queen’ is a romantic comedy feature film the plot of which revolves around an actress auditioning for a movie adaptation of a series of fantasy novels (fictional) by the (again fictional) author Horatio King – George R R Martin was the inspiration for that character and the GOT series inspired the ‘Prince of Chaos’ book/film in the storyline. The image above is a graphic book jacket used as a prop in a scene in the film. Morgan Deare is the actor who plays Horatio in the film.

    I’m very flattered people assumed I was cast in GOT but wanted to set the record straight! Hope that helps clear up any remaining mystery! Thanks to George for creating a little buzz around the film too.

    Best wishes,

    Amy-Joyce Hastings

    Well now you’re part of the WIC family so we’ll be pushing for you to get a role!

  288. Jenny
    Posted May 26, 2011 at 4:08 pm | Permalink

    IT’S NOT A CASTING CLUE EVERYBODY

    ROFL

  289. John Engedal
    Posted May 26, 2011 at 4:08 pm | Permalink

    fuelpagan:
    Just throwing this out there…

    Princess Grace
    Beasts stalking
    “Prince of Chaos”

    Victoria Stilwell for Margaery.

    Not much “acting” credit, but sure does have the look.

    What the…Margaery is 16…:)

  290. Josh Parker
    Posted May 26, 2011 at 4:09 pm | Permalink

    Aww…so this isn’t even a casting clue?! All that work for nothing!

  291. paulgude
    Posted May 26, 2011 at 4:09 pm | Permalink

    Graziano Manuele,

    Also, “Admitting that betrayal exists at all,” could conceivably be accomplished by uttering, “Lie to me.”

    Perhaps grasping at straws again, mostly because I want to believe it’s true.

  292. Angelus
    Posted May 26, 2011 at 4:09 pm | Permalink

    Not even a casting clue…weak sauce GRRM.

  293. McSherrie
    Posted May 26, 2011 at 4:09 pm | Permalink

    Yeremiah,

    Possibly. But Froggy is there…

    I do have a mental image of him reading our comments and giggling like a madman, however.

  294. darksofa
    Posted May 26, 2011 at 4:09 pm | Permalink

    Amy-Joyce Hastings:
    Hello,

    George just sent me a message about the casting specualtion on WIC.net about his blog. The reality is that while I would love to audition for Melisandre or Ygritte, I have not yet done so, nevermind being already cast!

    ‘The Callback Queen’ is a romantic comedy feature film the plot of which revolves around an actress auditioning for a movie adaptation of a series of fantasy novels (fictional) by the (again fictional) author Horatio King – George R R Martin was the inspiration for that character and the GOT series inspired the ‘Prince of Chaos’ book/film in the storyline. The image above is a graphic book jacket used as a prop in a scene in the film. Morgan Deare is the actor who plays Horatio in the film.

    I’m very flattered people assumed I was cast in GOT but wanted to set the record straight! Hope that helps clear up any remaining mystery! Thanks to George for creating a little buzz around the film too.

    Best wishes,

    Amy-Joyce Hastings

    Oh GRRM, what have you done to your poor, poor fans…

  295. Ro
    Posted May 26, 2011 at 4:09 pm | Permalink

    So then we’re left with Morgan Deare as Hoster Tully.

  296. Jenny
    Posted May 26, 2011 at 4:10 pm | Permalink

    Kind of strange that they are already making films about the actual making of a TV Show.

    It’s like A Chrorus Line…

  297. Maxwell James
    Posted May 26, 2011 at 4:10 pm | Permalink

    Amy-Joyce Hastings,

    LOL. That’s some good mischief. Best of luck with the film.

    Since GRRM (or Ty) did not make the book cover, I’m guessing this approach needs to be rethought…

  298. fuelpagan
    Posted May 26, 2011 at 4:10 pm | Permalink

    John Engedal,

    You’re right. Didn’t notice her age.

  299. Mirax
    Posted May 26, 2011 at 4:10 pm | Permalink

    paulgude,

    You are correct that it is mostly a vibe. None of it is concrete, but it definitely pointed me to her.

    In the wiki article it says that Oliver King had a religious toned dream (angels, ladder to heaven) that inspired him to not only restore the abbey, but also support Henry Tudor as king. Melisandre is religiously inspired through visions/dreams/prophecy to support Stannis as King. I have a vague memory that she thinks the dragon gargoyles at Dragonstone could come to life, which would also be restoring a castle (not quite the same as an abbey.)

    I also found an odd, old NY Times article (I linked to it above) about a letter written to one Oliver King from a friend stating that he’d had dreams about his own murder, and then the author of the letter disappeared. It ended up that he faked his murder and lied to Mr. King. As I think Mel is lying to Stannis about some of her visions, this points me in her direction as well.

    ::EDIT:: Apparently a lot happened while I was writing this, so my theories are null and void, but *shrug* oh well.

  300. Angelus
    Posted May 26, 2011 at 4:11 pm | Permalink

    fuelpagan:
    Just throwing this out there…

    Princess Grace
    Beasts stalking
    “Prince of Chaos”

    Victoria Stilwell for Margaery.

    Not much “acting” credit, but sure does have the look.
    Note: Episode 1.2 of “It’s me or the Dog” was titled “Prince of Chaos” even though IMDB doesn’t list it.

    Oh my…I think you need to re-read the books if she has the look of Margaery.

  301. Mike
    Posted May 26, 2011 at 4:14 pm | Permalink

    I guess GRRM is saying he personally inspired the character, but why would he say Oliver King instead of Horatio King? Unless that was just a typo?

  302. The Winter Rose
    Posted May 26, 2011 at 4:14 pm | Permalink

    Amy-Joyce Hastings,

    OMG, wow… I guess we should have paid attention to the fact that GRRM wasn’t using his froggy icon XD
    A shame though, you would make such a lovely Mel.
    That being said I hope I get to see you in the “The Callback Queen” :)

  303. Ro
    Posted May 26, 2011 at 4:14 pm | Permalink

    Why are we concluding it’s not a casting clue? Just because GRRM inserted something that takes us way off the rails doesn’t mean it wasn’t a clue in the first place. Even if his mood was “mischievous,” perhaps that only means that he knew where the book cover would take us. With Froggy, there’s a chance that the clue still remains a clue. Perhaps about Morgan Deare?

  304. Winter Is Coming
    Posted May 26, 2011 at 4:15 pm | Permalink

    Amy-Joyce Hastings,

    And here I had a nice post all ready to go declaring you to be Melisandre…

    Thanks for the clarification! Best of luck with your film!

  305. Dom
    Posted May 26, 2011 at 4:16 pm | Permalink

    But if this is not a casting clue, how come the post bear the tag “game of thrones”, and why GRRM hasn’t corrected any of the posters?

  306. Ryan McCoy
    Posted May 26, 2011 at 4:17 pm | Permalink

    The plot thickens…….

  307. darksofa
    Posted May 26, 2011 at 4:17 pm | Permalink

    NickS,

    Doesn’t look that way at all, I don’t think… The book cover posted by George was created for the film, so everything on the cover, in the blurb, or part of the author bio was written as filler for a prop, not as a clue.

    That said, I think you’re right in that the post, if it is in fact a casting clue, must refer to Morgan Deare in some capacity. Just not sure if there’s evidence for Hoster Tully vs. some other character. Perhaps just his age?

  308. Tar Kidho
    Posted May 26, 2011 at 4:17 pm | Permalink

    Amy-Joyce Hastings,

    Thanks for informing us Amy, at least we can get back to our lifes now…

    And George: nicely played – you KNEW we would delve up all kinds of hidden clues and get carried away in the proces. That’s no way to treat your fans! :-)

  309. Tar Kidho
    Posted May 26, 2011 at 4:18 pm | Permalink

    Winter Is Coming,

    can we get to see what you wrote anway, please?

  310. KG
    Posted May 26, 2011 at 4:21 pm | Permalink

    Um …

    Always support the bottom.

    Part 2. (blush)

  311. Amy-Joyce Hastings
    Posted May 26, 2011 at 4:21 pm | Permalink

    Winter Is Coming,

    Just in time then to save my blushes! I sent a msg through the contact form on the site about an hour ago but it must not have gone through.

    Thanks for the positive feedback/comments, it’s really very sweet.

    All the best,

    Amy

  312. paulgude
    Posted May 26, 2011 at 4:22 pm | Permalink

    Of course, I had to look around to make sure this production wasn’t just some elaborate ruse created by GRRM for clue purposes. He’s that devious!

    Still, looks legit:

    http://www.powertriphome.com/callback.html

    http://www.filmventure.co.uk/casting.html

    http://film.britishcouncil.org/the-callback-queen

    You don’t have to tell me I’m crazy for checking all that. I know. :(

    Is it possible that the text was re-written as a clue? There…there…has to be a clue!

    Do not abuse the power of Froggy the Gremlin!

  313. GaR
    Posted May 26, 2011 at 4:22 pm | Permalink

    Great thread, this. Hilarious.

    Glad I didn’t see it earlier :B

  314. paulgude
    Posted May 26, 2011 at 4:24 pm | Permalink

    The Winter Rose,

    That *is* one of his Froggy icons. That’s what set us off.

    (In this case, it’s Froggy in the hands of his puppeteer, but it’s still been used!)

  315. Graziano Manuele
    Posted May 26, 2011 at 4:24 pm | Permalink

    Again on this, after a lot of thinking… Tim Roth is absolutely excellent and i HOPE to have him in the show… but playing what role?? He’s very good at quirky crazy smart badass characters… (which maybe, in GOT world, translates only to a non-dwarf Tyrion ;))… so Stannis is not really a good match. Unless they change him from the book… as far as we know from the lines already aired in episodes, Stannis does not “inspire love or loyalty… he’s not a king”…

    i don’t know… it would be great to have him here, and since he was for 3 years in Lie To Me he would probably be ok with playing a long.term role… but.. STANNIS?? I don’t think so. Unless MAJOR changes happen…

  316. Ro
    Posted May 26, 2011 at 4:25 pm | Permalink

    Ah, okay I get it now. I (GRRM) am not Oliver King, but I did inspire him. Basically his post is entirely about how he inspired this new movie. Not sure why he said Oliver King as opposed to Horatio King, but this makes sense now.

    At least we can say now that unless GRRM uses the STOCK Froggy icon, any other icon with Froggy in it may be a trick.

  317. Mike
    Posted May 26, 2011 at 4:27 pm | Permalink

    From the plot outline for The Callback Queen:


    Kate Loughlin is a struggling actress trying to get a break in the London film industry. When she gets called to audition for the lead in a massive movie franchise based on the ‘Prince of Chaos’ series of novels by legendary author Horatio King, she seizes the opportunity.

    That part all checks out, but the Oliver King (instead of Horatio King) issue is still nagging at me – although GRRM has made mistakes in his posts before.

  318. Winter Is Coming
    Posted May 26, 2011 at 4:28 pm | Permalink

    If we remove the cover, than what do we have left as a clue? Oliver King? It seems like a typo for Horatio King to me.

    I have no idea why GRRM would tag it ‘game of thrones’ or include the Froggy icon or make the whole thing so vague though. Why not just post the cover and explain what it is all about? Unless he wanted us to think it was a casting clue, just for a laugh. Annoying.

  319. paulgude
    Posted May 26, 2011 at 4:30 pm | Permalink

    Ro,

    There’s also the whole Oliver/Horiatio difference, too.

    EDIT: Took me so long to write one sentence that it’s not adding anything. Carry on…

  320. McSherrie
    Posted May 26, 2011 at 4:31 pm | Permalink

    I just wish he’d confirm or deny already… *shakes fist*

  321. fuelpagan
    Posted May 26, 2011 at 4:31 pm | Permalink

    Angelus,

    Uhm, my imagination can do what it wants to thank you very much.

    I alway imagined her looking like this which I think she resembles.

    But given this isn’t something GRRM produced, it looks like there are no clues on the text of the book.

  322. OhDanyBoy
    Posted May 26, 2011 at 4:31 pm | Permalink

    C2:
    COMPLETELY grasping at straws here, but Joe “King” Oliver was inspired by Buddy Bolden.
    http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0858419/
    There’s apparently a movie being made about Buddy with Jackie Earle Haley as lead.
    I realize I’m probably completely wrong on this….but beyond that I got nothing.

    Graziano Manuele:
    Tim Roth? “Lie To Me” has just been cancelled… and his character was called CAL Lightman….

    paulgude:
    Graziano Manuele,
    Also, “Admitting that betrayal exists at all,” could conceivably be accomplished by uttering, “Lie to me.”
    Perhaps grasping at straws again, mostly because I want to believe it’s true.

    I’m still convinced that this is indeed a casting clue (Froggy NEVER lies!), and that GRRM had the writing edited on the already existing prop cover to give us clues. And given the above, I say that Tim Roth is Roose Bolton!

  323. paulgude
    Posted May 26, 2011 at 4:33 pm | Permalink

    Amy-Joyce Hastings,

    Hi, Amy!

    Please bear with us and our insanity.

    That prop image hasn’t been altered in any way, has it?

    Like, is Horatio King from Texas in your film?

  324. dizzy_34
    Posted May 26, 2011 at 4:33 pm | Permalink

    Winter Is Coming,

    and the mischievous mood…it’s still odd.

  325. fuelpagan
    Posted May 26, 2011 at 4:33 pm | Permalink

    Morgan Deare is Stannis it looks like.

  326. Tar Kidho
    Posted May 26, 2011 at 4:34 pm | Permalink

    Winter Is Coming,

    I’m absolutely sure he set it up some days ago already, with his ‘casting clues to come’ post on Not a Blog. Oh yes, verry cunning he is, our George…

    This entire post will go down in the Histories of our House as second only to the ‘Always Support the Bottom’ post that founded it ;-)

  327. Ro
    Posted May 26, 2011 at 4:35 pm | Permalink

    Winter Is Coming,

    His mood was “mischievous.” So he probably thought it was a tricky way of letting everyone know that there’s a movie inspired by him without naming it. And by using our finely tuned internet detective skills.

  328. DendasGarrett
    Posted May 26, 2011 at 4:35 pm | Permalink

    Its tagged “Game of Thrones” because it is a film inspired by the production of “Game of Thrones” the TV show. It is not, however, tagged HBO, which should be the first clue that it is not a casting clue.

    Not your fault WIC, none of us caught it either, GRRM just needs to write a few more sentences on his post from now on… unless, as is my theory, he post something like that and then sits back with a mug of hot cocoa and just laughs….

  329. GaR
    Posted May 26, 2011 at 4:36 pm | Permalink

    GRRM be fuckin’ wit’ y’all.

  330. Angelus
    Posted May 26, 2011 at 4:36 pm | Permalink

    fuelpagan:
    Angelus,

    Uhm, my imagination can do what it wants to thank you very much.

    I alway imagined her looking like this which I think she resembles.

    But given this isn’t something GRRM produced, it looks like there are no clues on the text of the book.

    Oh, so you probably saw this when you imagined Sandor then hey?

  331. Arya's Cat
    Posted May 26, 2011 at 4:36 pm | Permalink

    OhDanyBoy,

    Tim Roth did play Oliver Cromwell, if Oliver is a clue…. Doesn’t look like a Stannis, though.

  332. Pepi
    Posted May 26, 2011 at 4:37 pm | Permalink

    I can totally see Deare as Davos Seaworth.

  333. Arya's Cat
    Posted May 26, 2011 at 4:38 pm | Permalink

    Jeezus, if this isn’t about casting, I’m gonna kick myself twice as hard for all the work I’m not doing right now. :(

  334. Liesie
    Posted May 26, 2011 at 4:41 pm | Permalink

    WHAHAHAHAHA and there I was regretting I didn’t check WiC earlier so I could have joined the casting-clue-party, only to find out it’s a ‘fake’ one XD

    (Shouldn’t we have thought that it was weird for George to use a different froggy?!)

    EDIT: or maybe it isn’t fake afterall and just a multilayerd clue…

  335. The Rabbit
    Posted May 26, 2011 at 4:41 pm | Permalink

    KG:
    Um …

    Always support the bottom.

    Part 2.(blush)

    LOOOOOOOOOL!
    That was really supporting the bottom!

    Hilarious :)

  336. Mirax
    Posted May 26, 2011 at 4:42 pm | Permalink

    It would figure that the first casting speculation thread I get to participate in isn’t actually based on a casting clue. :/ I was only a lurker when the casting for season 1 was going on (and always came to the posts after it had been figured out).

  337. Jenny
    Posted May 26, 2011 at 4:42 pm | Permalink

    let’s boycott further casting clues.

  338. EvilPicnic
    Posted May 26, 2011 at 4:43 pm | Permalink

    So this isn’t a casting clue at all, just GRRM telling us that there’s a character ‘inspired’ by him in an upcoming film? Well, I certainly feel foolish… :(

  339. Tar Kidho
    Posted May 26, 2011 at 4:44 pm | Permalink

    Ro,

    Agreed. I feel now that he is obliged to comment on our mad CSI work on Not a Blog or here, just to clarify if this were his intentions. You owe us that much, GRRM, laughing on behalf of your fans!

  340. fuelpagan
    Posted May 26, 2011 at 4:44 pm | Permalink

    Angelus:

    Oh, so you probably saw this when you imagined Sandor then hey?

    No I thought of this. He is a hound after all. ;p

  341. Cersei's Cunt
    Posted May 26, 2011 at 4:44 pm | Permalink
  342. Liesie
    Posted May 26, 2011 at 4:46 pm | Permalink

    Tar Kidho: You owe us that much, GRRM, laughing on behalf of your fans!

    Aren’t we the ones who’ve been bullying him for like the past five years about finishing a certain book :p

  343. Tar Kidho
    Posted May 26, 2011 at 4:46 pm | Permalink

    Liesie,

    Ok, I’m gonna stop WiCnetting for today, so feel free to step in and spend the next six hours here unravelling multilayered clues :-)

  344. paulgude
    Posted May 26, 2011 at 4:46 pm | Permalink

    DendasGarrett,

    I guess the Froggy is still valid because he sent us out to find the movie, so it was tricky, in a way. It makes his “Give Dracula a Cigar” comment confirmation, perhaps, thinking we’d be satisfied with finding that.

    However, his, “I’ll be back soon, I will, I will.” post was tagged with HBO:

    http://grrm.livejournal.com/217567.html

    So there will be HBO Game of Thrones clues later, and this is kind of like losing a game of Simon Says.

    “Get ready for HBO Game of Thrones clues!”

    “We’re ready!”

    “Here’s some Game of Thrones clues!”

    “Yay! Game of Thrones clues!” Hey, what the…”

    “I didn’t say HBO…”

  345. Liesie
    Posted May 26, 2011 at 4:47 pm | Permalink

    Tar Kidho,

    maybe I will ;)

  346. Winter Is Coming
    Posted May 26, 2011 at 4:48 pm | Permalink

    Ro, that’s fine. But don’t use the (alternate) Froggy icon and don’t tag it ‘game of thrones’ and don’t post it a few days after saying there is casting clues coming soon.

  347. Mirax
    Posted May 26, 2011 at 4:48 pm | Permalink

    If it isn’t a casting clue, then it has to be a bit of a joke on his part. Otherwise, why would GRRM have given the commenter (Vampire?) a cigar for guessing part of it correctly, but then not respond to the rest of the comment about not understanding the rest of the clues?

  348. Steve Reynolds
    Posted May 26, 2011 at 4:48 pm | Permalink

    On a sidenote – Saffron Burrows has left the new Bones spin-off Finder. Makes you wonder if she’s found another job…

  349. Angelus
    Posted May 26, 2011 at 4:50 pm | Permalink

    fuelpagan,

    Haha, well played.

  350. Tar Kidho
    Posted May 26, 2011 at 4:52 pm | Permalink

    Steve Reynolds,

    Ooooo, having first suggested her for the role of Mel, me would liiiiiiiiiiike!!!!!

  351. Iker Gernika
    Posted May 26, 2011 at 4:53 pm | Permalink

    darksofa: poor

    Poor and crazy, totally craaaaazyyyy!
    That was funny! This kind of craziness reminds me “The Oxford Murders” plot; if you are crazy enough everything has its meanings… LOL
    GRRM owes us a clue!

  352. paulgude
    Posted May 26, 2011 at 4:54 pm | Permalink

    Winter Is Coming,

    And not a huge deal, but he HAS used this icon for casting clues before:

    http://grrm.livejournal.com/105336.html?thread=7118968

    If this isn’t part of a larger casting clue (and it’s looking that’s possible) I don’t think it’s necessarily him being mean-spirited. I’d take it as him thinking that we’d think that them basing a show-within-a-show on Game of Thrones is cool.

    Unless it *is* a casting clue…uh…

    Darn it, GRRM!

  353. McSherrie
    Posted May 26, 2011 at 4:54 pm | Permalink

    In other news, ADwD has made CNNs top 12 summer reads list: http://www.cnn.com/2011/SHOWBIZ/05/26/summer.books.list/index.html?hpt=Sbin

  354. paulgude
    Posted May 26, 2011 at 4:55 pm | Permalink

    Iker Gernika,

    I was thinking “The Man with One Red Shoe,” but very very similar.

  355. Moe
    Posted May 26, 2011 at 4:55 pm | Permalink

    Here’s my take for what its worth, the character they cast is Melisandre hint: flames ,crown signify Mel and her proximity to Stannis . The hint (Pillars of Time) points at pillars of the earth looking at the movies cast i find Hayley Atwell who physically wood make a perfect Mel enjoys nudity and Looking at her bio i finde the role (ANGELICA in the moview cassandra’s DREAM) which fits perfectly with the whole Preist having a dream of an Angel. So i would say Hayley Atwell has been cast as Mel!!……………or this might all be bullshit

  356. Ingrin
    Posted May 26, 2011 at 4:55 pm | Permalink

    Mirax: If it isn’t a casting clue, then it has to be a bit of a joke on his part. Otherwise, why would GRRM have given the commenter (Vampire?) a cigar for guessing part of it correctly, but then not respond to the rest of the comment about not understanding the rest of the clues?

    I think in his own terse way, he was acknowledging that it was just about an upcoming movie.
    When I first saw pictures of the man, I thought he reminded me of an old boss of mine. Now I see the similarity is not just physical.
    He would send out terse, 2-3 word subject line emails with no text in the body. My coworkers and I would go and huddle together and try to figure out what cryptic he was trying to convey. Invariably, we determined the message meant “My blood sugar is low”.

  357. Mirax
    Posted May 26, 2011 at 4:59 pm | Permalink

    Ingrin: Invariably, we determined the message meant “My blood sugar is low”.

    lol

    I could see that. Also, I didn’t mean that he was being mean-spirited, just having fun.

  358. Winter Is Coming
    Posted May 26, 2011 at 5:00 pm | Permalink

    paulgude, yeah, but even if he thought it was a cool way to announce this movie being based on him and his books and the TV show he had to have realized what people would perceive the post to be. The fact that he posted it anyway and didn’t correct people in the comments indicates that he wanted people to make that mistake.

  359. Ro
    Posted May 26, 2011 at 5:05 pm | Permalink

    Winter Is Coming,

    I do think he fully knew how people would take it but was being a little bit of a prankster here. Inevitably, some people get annoyed by pranks. The key is to just laugh it off and wait for the real casting clues. I still think that maybe his post a few days ago about there being some casting news was true.

    By the way, I can understand how it’s more annoying when you’re trying to report news, ha. As just a reader/fan, it’s probably less bothersome.

  360. dizzy_34
    Posted May 26, 2011 at 5:06 pm | Permalink

    Winter Is Coming: paulgude, yeah, but even if he thought it was a cool way to announce this movie being based on him and his books and the TV show he had to have realized what people would perceive the post to be.

    Which is why I’m still thinking this is a clue. If not, it kind of ruins the whole spirit of the ones in the past.

  361. paulgude
    Posted May 26, 2011 at 5:06 pm | Permalink

    Winter Is Coming,

    Perhaps he hasn’t corrected anyone because he’s scrambling to call D&D and try to influence casting so that the text of the book retroactively becomes a valid clue.

  362. paulgude
    Posted May 26, 2011 at 5:09 pm | Permalink

    dizzy_34,

    That’s why I’d like confirmation from AJH that the text from the book-prop is unaltered.

    Because if it *is* altered, that’s a great way to publicize the film and make a nice theme for the clues.

    If he simply wanted us to discover that the film exists and the “Oliver” vs. “Horatio” thing is just a mistake, it could have been handled better.

  363. McSherrie
    Posted May 26, 2011 at 5:10 pm | Permalink

    He just changed his post: “… I am not Horatio King. {Or Oliver either}”

    I’m guessing that means that this isn’t a casting clue – but it does show how closely he’s been paying attention to this thread!

    *waves at GRRM*

  364. Kit
    Posted May 26, 2011 at 5:10 pm | Permalink

    Hi,

    As a newbie, can anyone tell me what the “support the bottom” incident is about???

    Thanks in advance!

  365. dizzy_34
    Posted May 26, 2011 at 5:11 pm | Permalink

    paulgude: Winter Is Coming, Perhaps he hasn’t corrected anyone because he’s scrambling to call D&D and try to influence casting so that the text of the book retroactively becomes a valid clue.

    Ha! And D&D say “whatever George…” and hang up the phone.

  366. Amy-Joyce Hastings
    Posted May 26, 2011 at 5:11 pm | Permalink

    paulgude,

    Hi Paul,

    I genuinely don’t know whether the Oliver King was a typo or a real clue but the cover appears as it was designed and yes the character of Horatio is Texan in the film so my money would be on it being just a typo but I’m not half as clever at riddles as all of you so who knows. I think George was just sharing the news about the film though. Hope that helps.

  367. DendasGarrett
    Posted May 26, 2011 at 5:12 pm | Permalink

    paulgude:
    Winter Is Coming,

    Perhaps he hasn’t corrected anyone because he’s scrambling to call D&D and try to influence casting so that the text of the book retroactively becomes a valid clue.

    Ha! I second

    He may have just posted without thinking about the repercussions, and is now a slight bit embarrassed about all the ruckus he caused (as might be a certain wic.net reporter of whom we will not name names…)

  368. Lex
    Posted May 26, 2011 at 5:13 pm | Permalink

    Aw, crap! CLUEGATE!

  369. Nic
    Posted May 26, 2011 at 5:13 pm | Permalink

    Why not just post to LJ and ask if the point was to talk up the movie? If he says yes, we know. If not, there’s more to it.

  370. McSherrie
    Posted May 26, 2011 at 5:13 pm | Permalink

    Amy-Joyce Hastings,

    Amy, you’ve now posted at WiC.net three times. I’m pretty sure that makes you one of us, so I’d like to take a moment and welcome you to House Gatewatch.

    Also, thank you for the confirmation. :D

  371. paulgude
    Posted May 26, 2011 at 5:15 pm | Permalink

    Amy-Joyce Hastings,

    Thanks, Amy! I appreciate it.

    I’ll bet there’s no news from HBO about casting yet, so GRRM thought this would be a fun exercise.

    Personally, I’ll be interested in seeing the film so I’m glad he brought it to our attention.

    And finally: Get your agent on the phone for Ygritte and Melisandre! There’s still a chance to make these clues valid!

  372. EvilPicnic
    Posted May 26, 2011 at 5:16 pm | Permalink

    Well, in this downtime from FakeCastingClueGate, I would just like to point out that auto-playing video ads are the most annoying thing ever: and they play every time I refresh. And I have been refreshing a lot over the past hour or so…

    And since I’m refreshing at the bottom of the comments section, I can’t even click ‘pause’ because I have to scroll up 360 comments to find the ad.

    Winter, I know ads are needed to support the site, but can they possibly just be of the normal variety in the future please?

  373. DendasGarrett
    Posted May 26, 2011 at 5:17 pm | Permalink
  374. Franny Bee
    Posted May 26, 2011 at 5:19 pm | Permalink

    Is it too late to guess Anderson Cooper as Melissandre? Yeah..? Okay nevermind then XD

    Ps: we are such nerds. But I love nerds ;)

  375. Ro
    Posted May 26, 2011 at 5:23 pm | Permalink

    The funny part is that, without the Oliver/Horatio typo, we all would have likely made sense of it much earlier.

  376. The Rabbit
    Posted May 26, 2011 at 5:28 pm | Permalink

    Now, we can all return to our dialy discussion on dogs/wolves and their behaviour.
    WOOF! WOOF!

    *sarcastic*

  377. Knurk
    Posted May 26, 2011 at 5:29 pm | Permalink

    I can’t believe that after all these years, casting clues, fan hysteria George still doesn’t understand his fans. The FROG George, the FROG!! Glad I started to prepare that dinner and just rread through all the comments.

  378. paulgude
    Posted May 26, 2011 at 5:31 pm | Permalink

    Ro,

    Someone should probably be able to get a whole psychological dissertation out of the “Oliver Self-Delusion Principal.”

  379. Knurk
    Posted May 26, 2011 at 5:31 pm | Permalink

    BTW, props to everyone here that with what happens to be no clue, we still managed to squeeze a few very believable actors out of a fake bookcover! Good training for the upcoming weeks.

  380. Spork
    Posted May 26, 2011 at 5:31 pm | Permalink

    Kit,

    It is from when WiC first received a scent box, and we found an vague bit of writing which read “Always support the bottom”. That sent us on a wild goose chase until it was confirmed that it was an error (similar to toady’s situation, maybe?). See this thread:

    http://winter-is-coming.net/2011/02/the-maesters-path-secrets-of-the-box/

  381. crabmasterxxx
    Posted May 26, 2011 at 5:39 pm | Permalink

    George always uses a different frog picture when he is making casting clues. At least from what I’ve seen.

  382. Mike Chair
    Posted May 26, 2011 at 5:39 pm | Permalink

    I came home from work to realize that you guys HAVE BEEN WORKED!
    OUCH!

    This is CastingGate.

  383. Cersei's Cunt
    Posted May 26, 2011 at 5:42 pm | Permalink

    I have whatever the female equivalent of blue balls is. Someone needs to pretend to be George in the comments and make up some fake casting clues just so I can indulge my Sherlock mood.

  384. paulgude
    Posted May 26, 2011 at 5:44 pm | Permalink

    crabmasterxxx,

    I posted this link earlier:

    http://grrm.livejournal.com/105336.html?thread=7118968

    He’s used both.

  385. Damian Aquino
    Posted May 26, 2011 at 6:05 pm | Permalink

    pretty awesome troll by george

  386. Melissa Champagne
    Posted May 26, 2011 at 6:13 pm | Permalink

    While I am charmed at GRRM’s little prank, I can’t help but be bitter as I sit in my office trying to catch up on the 2 hours of work I missed :-/

  387. Chris
    Posted May 26, 2011 at 6:15 pm | Permalink

    Oh man, this thread needs to go in the archives. This is just too good.

  388. Knurk
    Posted May 26, 2011 at 6:28 pm | Permalink

    Chris,

    agreed, right up there with the “Always Support the Bottom” and the “Elena Satine” threads.

  389. Mike Chair
    Posted May 26, 2011 at 6:33 pm | Permalink

    The only thing that could rectify this … this … skulduggery … is prompt casting news of monumental proportions. News of such a nature as to make our wildest casting dreams come true! Okay GRRM you got us. Let’s have it!

  390. sjwenings
    Posted May 26, 2011 at 6:36 pm | Permalink

    Maybe not straight foward casting news, but at least some ACTUAL clues. You’ve had your fun, now lets get something back.

  391. EvilPicnic
    Posted May 26, 2011 at 7:03 pm | Permalink

    Horatio King for Stannis!

    And maybe Oliver King can play Davos?

    :p

  392. Mike Chair
    Posted May 26, 2011 at 7:05 pm | Permalink

    GRRM just said:

    The HOLLYWOOD REPORTER has GAME OF THRONES on the top spot in their “power rankings.” Which I guess means we’re the most powerful show on television!

  393. Ryan McCoy
    Posted May 26, 2011 at 9:44 pm | Permalink

    That was George’s way of getting us back for pestering him about ADWD.

  394. Elena Amici
    Posted May 26, 2011 at 9:44 pm | Permalink

    Mike Chair,

    LOL, we are!!!

  395. Adrian
    Posted May 26, 2011 at 11:48 pm | Permalink

    Yeah this is almost as good as when before ADWD was done, he posted “THE WAIT IS OVER!” and then clarified within the body “…The wait for republished Wild Cards, that is.”

    HILARIOUS!

  396. Johan Sporre
    Posted May 27, 2011 at 3:00 am | Permalink

    And this in the wedding-post:
    “We are so happy to share the news with all our friends, old and new, the friends we have yet to meet, and with all of my (George’s) readers. And now we’ve off for a six-month Honeymoon trip around the world. See you when we get back.”

  397. Tar Kidho
    Posted May 27, 2011 at 4:44 am | Permalink

    Ryan McCoy,

    Adrian,

    Johan Sporre,

    Someone should pay him a visit and teach him a lesson. Who wants to be House Gatewatch’s Tickler??

  398. Pau Soriano
    Posted May 27, 2011 at 6:15 am | Permalink

    Ryan McCoy:
    That was George’s way of getting us back for pestering him about ADWD.

    Aha! So you suggesting we have permission now to start pestering about TWOW??

    Just kidding ofc :-D

  399. Lina
    Posted May 27, 2011 at 9:55 am | Permalink

    The Callback Queen sounds like it will be an entertaining movie for anyone who’s a fantasy fan. Romcoms are generally so one-note, but this one seems a bit different. It’s not every day you have romantic comedy mixed in with a derivative of ASOIAF. :) Best of luck to Amy with the film!

    Moe,

    I love Hayley Atwell. Seriously: I think she’s a fabulous actor and is absolutely gorgeous. When you first mentioned her, I didn’t think I could see her as Mel at all. However, after a Google Image search, I may have changed my mind. She has a very unique almond shape to her eyes, which slightly hints at the exotic (I believe she is part Native American?). I think this is fitting with what we know of Asshai. I still have reservations (her skin is too dark and she’s not large enough with regards to height and shape), but I can possibly see it. Not a perfect match to my image of Melisandre, but I get where you’re coming from!

  400. fuelpagan
    Posted May 27, 2011 at 10:58 am | Permalink

    So the joke was on us, HAHA…but I’m still kinda bummed.

    Not because he played a joke on us, but I thought he really went out of his way this time to give us some awesome clues. Like the way Rothfuss will commission artwork for his fans. (Well maybe a friend does it free, not sure.) When I first saw the book cover I was over the moon. I thought he spent the last couple of days between his initial tease and when that post went up, having someone create the book cover for him.

    But no. I feel like Ralph in “A Christmas Story” with his Little Orphan Anne decoder. It was nothing but a crummy commercial.

  401. paulgude
    Posted May 31, 2011 at 2:00 am | Permalink

    I’m sure this has already been posted in other threads, but just to bring things full circle, here’s what GRRM posted recently: http://grrm.livejournal.com/218461.html

    Casting?

    May. 29th, 2011 at 2:57 PM

    I may have been guilty of premature froggery in the “Hiya, Kids” post below.

    Second season casting is in full swing, yes.

    And we’re close on a few roles. Choices made, that is to say, but now we wait on HBO approval, and then of course we have to make a deal. Not all deals close, much as you would like them to. There’s budget to consider, scheduling, all sorts of things.

    On other roles, well, we’ve seen a lot of readings, but we’re not in love yet. So the auditions continue. In Ireland, in London, even in LA.

    Bottom line: no one has been cast yet, so stop holding your breath.

    When we do sign some new cast, Froggy will give you the hints.

    (Unless someone else breaks the news first).

    ((Or unless it’s after June 13. That’s the day I leave for Poland. I’ll be out of the loop while overseas, so after that date, the announcements are more like to come from elsewhere)).

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