Game of Thrones – Season One – Recap
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Game of Thrones title card

Well the first season of Game of Thrones has come and gone. For the past ten weeks we have had a new episode to discuss on Monday morning. But not this week. So I thought it would be good to discuss the first season as a whole. What did you like about it? What did you dislike? Favorite characters? Favorite moments? What was your overall opinion of the show? Was it a successful adaption? After the break, you can read my thoughts and then share your opinions in the comments.

Let me start off by saying, this first season was great. Fantastic even. A very faithful adaptation. Much more so than many of us had hoped. (Seriously, go back and look at some of the early posts on this site and see the kind of stuff people were talking about cutting. Some people were even suggesting cutting Dany’s storyline out of the first season entirely!) But more than just a faithful adaptation, what we got was a fascinating and entertaining TV show. And it seems to have captured the imagination of the general public.

But there were a few areas of the show that I thought didn’t work and hopefully could be improved upon in the second season. Starting off with too much sexposition (© Myles McNutt). This oft-discussed criticism is a valid one, in my opinion. It’s not just the use of sex and nudity while giving exposition that is the problem. It is the fact that the writers went to that well a few too many times. And some of those scenes worked better than others. I felt the Viserys-Doreah scene was an example of good exposition. While the Theon-Ros scene was bad exposition. As for the controversial Littlefinger scene? I liked it. The double-meaning behind Littlefinger’s “training” monologue was fantastic. And contrary to the many complainers, I don’t think he was spilling his guts there. Rather he relayed a fairly well-known story while still leaving his true motives and ultimate end-game vague. A good bit of writing. Although the whores could have been a tad quieter.

Dothraki SeaThe other disappointment I had in this first season was the lack of scale. While some areas of the production felt appropriately large, (the Wall being the best example of this), others felt much smaller on screen than they felt in the books. Drogo’s khalasar is supposed to 40,000 strong, but yet we only ever see a hundred riders at a time. The tournament was supposed to be a huge affair with elaborate stands and thousands in attendance, but what we got was a makeshift grandstand and an audience of several dozen. While some might say this is due to budget constraints, I think with proper planning these things could have been improved upon. Just look at other premium cable series such as Spartacus or The Borgias as examples. Both had large scale crowds and battles.

The lack of battles in Thrones was particularly disappointing. The entire season had been building to a conflict between Stark and Lannister forces and the whole thing seemed robbed of any tension or drama with Tyrion getting knocked out and Robb riding safely out of the Whispering Woods only seconds after learning of his daring plan. I’m not saying we needed Helm’s Deep-type battle scenes, but a little more time spent on the action of the battle or the drama of there being a tipping point here where either side could come out on top would have made the build-up to the moment feel more worthwhile and satisfying. And would have provided some gripping and action-packed sequences to the later episodes.

There are dozens of other nitpicky items that one could bring up but they are so minor I don’t think they are worth discussing. So enough of the bad, how about the good stuff?

I think, first and foremost, when praising this show you have to start with the acting. So many amazing and memorable performances. Here were my favorites: Peter Dinklage, Nikolaj Coster-Waldau, Michelle Fairley, Harry Lloyd, Emilia Clarke, Iain Glen, Jason Momoa, Miltos Yerolemou, Maisie Williams, Sophie Turner, Jack Gleeson and Mark Addy. And the rest of the cast was fantastic as well (well, except for that stableboy). Those were just the few that stood out above the crowd to me.

Robert and CerseiI also really enjoyed getting to see the new scenes invented for the show. “Deleted scenes” I called them in my pre-air impressions and I think the term still fits. You can tell Benioff and Weiss really get these characters as many of these scenes would have felt right at home in the pages of the book. More than a few times I thought a scene was from the book when it wasn’t. I think the best of the new scenes was the one where Robert and Cersei discuss their marriage. Just a fascinating look into the lives of two characters who we never really saw interact much in the book. A well-written and well-acted scene.

The last thing I have to praise are the success of the big moments. When those who read the book heard they were going to adapt it to television, a few scenes immediately popped into their head as ones that they absolutely had to nail. I speak of course of Ned’s execution and the birth of the dragons. And both scenes were home runs. The execution was shocking, but also emotional and poignant. While the birth of the dragons was a “jump out of your seat and pump your fist” moment. They had to get those two moments just right to really grab hold of those new viewers and they did. And for those who knew what was coming, those scenes were still highly emotional and worked just as well on screen as they did on page. Maybe even better.

Ned's End

So what about you? What were the high points for you? Or the low points? What worked? What didn’t work? What were your favorite characters or moments? Discuss them in the comments below. We will use your discussion as a basis for our upcoming end-of-season awards. So please share!


279 Comments

  1. RathHood
    Posted June 27, 2011 at 1:24 pm | Permalink

    Great recap, agree with everything you said!

  2. Tom Hilton
    Posted June 27, 2011 at 1:29 pm | Permalink

    Excellent recap. I agree with pretty much all of this, and especially agree that they really nailed the big moments.

    I thought the sexposition scenes were overdone, but one thing occurs to me: they’re not just plot exposition, but also character exposition. That is, these scenes are all featuring egotistical guys who believe they are bigger and better than their immediate circumstances (Viserys, Theon, Pycelle, Littlefinger) and who like to hear themselves talk. I don’t know how successfully they played that angle, but I do think the angle is there.

  3. swordpen
    Posted June 27, 2011 at 1:34 pm | Permalink

    thanks for the great recap! I thought overall the season was extremely well done (especially the AMAZING job done casting all the principal actors/actresses), and hit all the right notes. Can’t wait for Season 2!

    - swordpen

    http://www.artfire.com/users/Beaded-Bohemian

  4. Johan Sporre
    Posted June 27, 2011 at 1:36 pm | Permalink

    I’ll post this without reading previous comments.

    Overall this has been a fabolous first season. Not perfect, but as good as I could hope.

    Exceeded expectations:
    Casting and acting in general (there’s not a single one I think has been badly placed) and the kids in particular. Extra pluses for Emilia Clarke.
    Sets and overall production value.
    Crucial special effects (The Wall, dragons).

    Things I hope gets better for next season:
    How sex is used in camera. Of the various sex-scenes I’d say that only Viserys-Doreah was a great scene, whereas Ros with Theon wasn’t particularly good. I hope they find other avenues for exposition.
    Direwolves. I understand they can be difficult to work with, and I don’t think it’s been bad this season, but just having the wolves around (doing nothing in particular) in some scenes (for example seeing Ghost walking about in Castle Black) would be a plus.

    And I hope they can work in flashbacks better into the story so that we can actually get some!

    Edit:
    Best scene for me was Ned’s execution. Just thinking about it now I get goosebumps. Ned’s look into Arya’s eyes; Arya’s look up into the sky; Ned’s bare neck. Some great acting and great shots.
    A more positive favourite moment was Arya’s first training session with Syrio. It was so energetic, well played and choregraphed that I still get a smile on my face :)

    And if I must choose actors I’d go with Emilia Clarke for the females (Michelle Fairley second and Maisie Williams third) and Sean Bean for the males (with Nicolaj Coster-Waldau for second and Harry Lloyd for third).

    The Pointy End was my favourite episode, but may change after I rewatch everything).

  5. Sirthas
    Posted June 27, 2011 at 1:37 pm | Permalink

    I COMPLETELY agree with you, so I don’t feel the necessity to add anything else.
    Except for the “best-actors” choice:
    I think also Richard Madden and Aidan Gillen (not to mention Conleth Hill, but we can’t choose the entire cast :P) were incredibly good.
    But the absolutely best were, in my opinion, Nikolaj Coster-Waldau, Maise Williams and Peter Dinklage (ok… I would add also Harry Lloyd; I’m such an hesitant person :D). They just popped out from the books!

  6. Josh Parker
    Posted June 27, 2011 at 1:38 pm | Permalink

    I think much of the negative can be boiled down to first-season “shakedown cruise” issues. Many, if not most of them I think will be resolved next season. The show’s lack of budget could be why we didn’t get the thousands of extras required for battle scenes, Dothraki hordes or Tournament crowds.

    I’m hoping they either get a bigger budget next year or maybe learn how to stretch it better. That will solve a majority of the problems.

    Now that much of the exposition has been given, sexposition scenes may very well be less in number. We’ll see.

    At first I didn’t like what they did to Renly, but I think I get it now. They want us to think of him as a man totally unqualified to be king, but with the love of the people, starts to think he’s king material. If they’d played up his skill in battle, it probably would have put too many viewers on his side, and that’s not actually a good thing.

    Overall, I give it 8/10.

  7. Lord of Fangs
    Posted June 27, 2011 at 1:41 pm | Permalink

    Top 3 scenes of the season, based on my heart rate during the scenes:

    1) Drogo’s speech where he promised to take Westeros. I was absolutely blown away by the vigor and heart in this scene. And what made it my #1 scene of the series is that I wasn’t expecting it to be so grand. I had just finished a re-read of AGoT before the show started and while I enjoyed that scene in the book, it wasn’t one of the book scenes where I thought to myself during the re-read, “Man, this is going to be awesome on-screen.” And it was.

    2) Music of Dragons. Oh man, where to begin…I had LOW expectations for this scene. And I mean low. I expected a decent Dany/Ser Jorah conversation and then the pyre, but for the dragons themselves I was expecting cheese city for a very short shot (a few seconds of direct view of the dragons maybe). For this scene, the moment I was looking forward to most was when Dany’s followers drop to their knees and declare, “Blood of my blood.” But what I got was a scene that was utterly stunning in its entirety. I think I peed a little when the morning [sic] came alive with the music of dragons. This scene was similar, to me, to my theatrical viewing of Batman Begins. I was really not interested at all in seeing it (still scarred from Batman & Robin) but I went anyway, with probably the lowest expectations I have ever had walking into a theater. But what I got was one of the best moviegoing experiences I have had in years. Completely and totally satisfying. The ONLY thing I would have changed about this scene was to put more emphasis on the people who were preparing to abandon Dany before she climbed on the pyre, and to have the bloodriders themselves say, “Blood of my blood” in addition to Jorah.

    3) The King in the North. This was my #1 most anticipated scene of the show. Monday morning after episode 9, I saw the preview for episode 10 and the air went out of me like a deflating balloon. Firstly because they had shown it in the preview at all and that made me think that the importance and dramatic impact of it was being severely downplayed. Secondly because it just sounded really, really weak in the preview. I told myself over and over again that the “King in the North!” chant as shown on the preview was nothing like it would be when it aired and was taken in context. But I was still very worried that the scene I had been looking forward to the most would be cheapened. When we came to the scene, I realized I was wrong. I was as fired up as I was reading the book for the first time; it was everything I had hoped it would be (aside from the acceptable change in location).

    VERY close runners up:

    * The few seconds of that absolutely -murderous- look on Arya’s face when she held Joffrey at swordpoint on the Kingsroad.

    * The first scene with Arya and Syrio. Perfection. I was grinning like an idiot the entire time.

  8. Dave 'KingSlayer'
    Posted June 27, 2011 at 1:43 pm | Permalink

    The Bad: my biggest problem with Season 1 was the epic LACK of dire wolves. Is Greywind not supposed to be at robs side ALWAYS? When Rob rides out of the Whispering Wood Greywind is supposed to be racing at his side. I was severely disappointed at the scene where Jon and Ghost scare the fella into leaving Sam alone. Thats my big complaint I wanted more wolves.
    The Good: Everything Else. I enjoyed Serio very much and enjoyed how they did the scene. I still hold out hope that he pops up at some point in the future. Also, the DRAGONS, badass!!

  9. Mormegil
    Posted June 27, 2011 at 1:45 pm | Permalink

    Have to pretty much agree with everything WiC said.

    Hopefully the scale of things will be bigger in Season 2 and there’s a little less sexpostion (maybe have some more animal butchery expostion scenes instead).

    One other slight disapointment was the soundtrack, while the Theme tune itself was great I found the music within the episodes very underwhelming for the most part.

  10. Chris77
    Posted June 27, 2011 at 1:51 pm | Permalink

    I loved this season, the sexposition didn’t bother me that much, neither did the nonexisting battles, even though I think WW was a missed oportunity. I think this season was an experimental season for HBO to test the waters. I hope for a better budget and a more daring approach in the next season. Each season will build on the existing ones effect-wise. The assets for KL,WF etc already exist and can be reused for the following seasons so we have more budget for Direwolves, dragons and big battles.

    I am thrilled about the casting for season two and the BluRay release.

    PS: Concering the missing Flashbacks (at least one was confirmed from the trailers):
    If they are not on the BluRays it could mean that HBO is considering doing a prequel miniseries about Robert’s Rebellion…;)

  11. Cisco Masias
    Posted June 27, 2011 at 1:54 pm | Permalink

    Fantastic season. So many great moments and I loved MOST of the episodes. The main part that I was curious about was how they would portray the Fandom’s favorite characters of Arya and Syrio (Tyrion, too, but that is too obvious). Both were so good and so fun to watch on screen. I really liked being surprised by how much I hated Joffery and how pitiful (and funny) Robert was. Kudos to acting and writing!! This show was targeted for character-driven plot lines and they nailed with with the actors. Really great performances that I enjoyed seeing expand on-screen.

    Small issues like everyone else…direwolves on a more consistent basis, Whispering Wood (Was really hoping for a Jaime ass-kicking scene!), a better Arya-killing-stableboy scene, etc. But whatever…these episodes reminded me of why I fell in love with this series in the first place. Great adaptation and looking forward to season 2!!

  12. Je Ro
    Posted June 27, 2011 at 1:54 pm | Permalink

    Thank you for highlighting the lack of battles / scale issue. A few fans defended this due to budget issues but the problem was clearly noticeable. Also, the Eyrie was gorgeous but we never got to see the arduous journey which I felt was beautifully described in the book. No matter. The rest was brilliant and I love hearing and seeing the actors as I now read Clash of Kings :)

  13. DibuK
    Posted June 27, 2011 at 1:56 pm | Permalink

    Bad-
    - As you’ve already said- scale.
    - King’s landing. Felt like fake. Didn’t look the part- It’s in the south, but not THAT much south. They should have filmed it in Spain or Italy, not Morocco. It gets a fair amount of rain as described in the book, and it’s not even autumn yet.
    - The scene where the Starks find the pups: incredibly dull and devoid of emotion, rhythm, pace and inspiration.
    - Zombie othor
    - Dropping the refusal of the three young Dothrakkis men when Danny asks them to be her blood riders, on account of her being a woman,- thus missing the opportunity for enhancing an already strong moment while simultaneously soothing angry feminists.
    - Walder Frey not saying “Heh!” at all..

    Good-
    - The acting!
    - the duels
    - the most realistic gore ever
    - chapter 9
    - Maester Luwin’s owning Theon (twice)
    - The Twins and to some extent- The Eyrie

  14. Mick J
    Posted June 27, 2011 at 1:58 pm | Permalink

    Sexposition: a clever, convenient, and blunt narrative device and not that big of a deal.

    Who else are those characters supposed to talk to in order to reveal their true selves? Tyrion has no one but Ros until he meets Bronn. Vaserys isn’t opening up to the Dothraki or Jorah or Dany who he treats like shit. Theon isn’t opening up to any of the Starks, no matter how close he is to Robb. Pycelle’s scene showed he has no one to talk to about his acting job. And Littlefinger REALLY has no one to talk to: he plays around with Ned and bullshits with Varys and has no one but his whores to talk to. Considering these scenes lasted a grand total of about 20-25 minutes, having them talk to a whore is an incredibly economical way for all these unrelated characters to have a chance to open up a bit.

    I have yet to hear a better, more efficient way for those 5 to reveal what’s going on inside their heads.

    Lack of battles: I agree, but I also haven’t heard anyone suggest what scenes they should have cut out to make room for battles. Every second of Ep 9 was packed. Maybe cut a little away from The Twins/Dany and the witch/Tyrion’s drinking game? So we can see a 2-3 minute battle scene with thousands of soldiers costing who knows how much?

  15. jellydonut
    Posted June 27, 2011 at 2:01 pm | Permalink

    I think this first season has been so GOOD for a FIRST SEASON of TV, that we all forget ourselves.

    Look at the first season of Fringe. That show started out as a showcase for CGI. It was a weak, monster-of-the-week X-Files surrogate. Then it went away from that format and became one of the best shows on TV in the next seasons.

    Obviously GOT doesn’t have the writing problem because the story is already there, but they’re still going to have the growing pains other shows have. I predict (further) greatness for season 2. The hiring of a new VFX studio and hints at CGI wolves means we will see more epic scenes and more wolves next season. Good enough for science.

  16. Kate
    Posted June 27, 2011 at 2:03 pm | Permalink

    I agree with most of the post, except for the praise of the birth of the dragons. I didn’t like the scene. Didn’t work for me. I wanted to see Dany rising amidst the fire, or at least appearing from among the ashes. The pyre was ridicously tiny, and it didn’t make sense that people had gone to sleep with Dany “burning” a few meters apart.

  17. Jay
    Posted June 27, 2011 at 2:04 pm | Permalink

    Great recap; summed up practically everything I might have said. That said, I’m probably more against the sexpostion. Of course I’m not against all sex scenes, some were in the book and they generally bring more realism to the show. I think my overall problem with them was that they went on too long, almost to the point of “Hey, look what we’re doing. Hey. Have you noticed yet? Hey.” That was definitely the case with Littlefinger’s scene, just with moans in place of those exact words.

    The Robert/Cersei scene was great for revealing more about their characters and their history and that had no sex at all. So my one wish for series two is that less time is spent on the sex and more time on what the characters are actually trying to convey.

    As for the good, I agree completely on both the acting and the nailing of the important moments. Even the actors I disliked at the start had completely changed my mind by the end. Sophie Turner is the best example of that for me. I didn’t like the ‘spoilt young girl’ direction at first, but the scene where Joffrey forced her to look at Ned’s head won me over; she played that brilliantly, in my opinion.

    And the important moments defintely struck home; my non-reader dad was shocked many times, from Bran’s fall to Ned’s execution. That latter scene in particular was a highlight for the show, wonderfully directed.

    All in all I believe the adaptation was as near perfect as a first season can get. With a bigger budget and even more eventful scenes next season, I don’t know how I’m going to last till next year.

  18. Abyss
    Posted June 27, 2011 at 2:05 pm | Permalink

    Off-Topic:
    A funny and interesting video in which two swordmasters (and Kristen Nedopak from ThinkHero) re-enact the fightscene between Ser Vardis and Bronn from episode 6.

  19. Mormegil
    Posted June 27, 2011 at 2:12 pm | Permalink

    DibuK: They should have filmed it in Spain or Italy, not Morocco.

    Kings Landing, Pentos and some other Essos scenes were shot in Malta not Morocco. The pilot shot stuff (Pentos and the Wedding) in Morocco but none of this made it into the series itself.

  20. The Rabbit
    Posted June 27, 2011 at 2:14 pm | Permalink

    I was perfectly aware of the fact that the adaptation which would perfectly match my image in the head was the mission impossible.
    It is the case with every other adaptation.
    But, still, I was afraid.
    GRRMs books are complex, with bunch of details which only work fine, when put togheter correctly.
    I was also afraid of the reaction of the those we call “new viewers”. I was afarid that they would never catch the storyline and wath is more importnat that they would never got attached to the characters.

    Fortunately enough, nothing of that really happened.

    I am absolutely pleased with the final result.

    The most important things: acting and storytelling were brilliant.

    If I have to choose between actors I would say: Mark Addy (I ll never forgot King Bob s laugh), NCW (which Jaime is really 2 good to be true), Michelle Fairley ( a relavation of the season), three Stark kids, that devil Joff and the actors in the small roles: Donald Stumper, Natalia Tena, Jerome Flyn and Miltos.

    The only one, I am a bit meh with is Roger Allam, it is just not the fact that we all wanted another Illyrio, he is a bit wooden in all of his scenes.

    I am very pleased also with the buliding of the story and tension, though perhaps, I would change a bit order of a few scenes in one episode, especially in some early episodes.

    I am not going to complain about the costumes, I liked it the end, though there was time when I had to used to it.
    Armours, same thing.

    I completely agree with Winter about the “crucial” “big” scenes, it is not only beheading and dragons, but I would add also “the things I do for love” , Ned and Robert in the crypts, waterdance, Lady-killing ..etc.

    I am among those who wanted to see more of direwolves. And that whish stays for the second season.
    Also, a little less of sexposition, too, please! (though, I can see clearly in my head Stannis and Mel making the shadow – baby)

  21. rob
    Posted June 27, 2011 at 2:15 pm | Permalink

    happiest with: scope.

    most disappointed with: scale.

  22. Maxwell James
    Posted June 27, 2011 at 2:17 pm | Permalink

    Great write-up.

    In retrospect, the aspect I found most striking about the show was its theatricality. That’s both a criticism and a compliment. The former, because I’ve often felt the show suffers from staginess as well as the theatrical tendency to describe action rather than depict it. This is visually reflected in the showrunners’ choice to invest big time in the scenery and sets, but less so with the action – by this I mean not just the battles, but also elements like the Tower of Joy and other dream sequences/flashbacks.

    But that’s not a bad thing – because where the show succeeded, masterfully, was in bringing the viewer into this alternate world and investing it with all the dramatic flair of the theater. It is probably the first filmed fantasy to feature characters who feel as real and as present as any in more contemporary entertainments. The big set pieces (such as the execution) feed into the theatricality, but so do a lot of smaller scenes – including a whole bunch of the expository monologues and dialogues. The show brings out the most Shakespearean elements of the books and highlights them with good scripts and great acting.

    I don’t want to oversell it – it’s not Shakespeare any more than Deadwood was. But the staginess ends up being a brilliant approach towards taking an unfilmable story and making its scope viable for the screen. I can’t wait to see how they keep translating it next season.

  23. BobJ
    Posted June 27, 2011 at 2:20 pm | Permalink

    Really can’t add much to what’s been said – the need for a bigger scale, more direwolf action. But the good (and in a lot of the cases I would say GREAT) more than outweighs the bad (or in most cases I would say just so-so). The acting, writing and arc of the story was magnificent. I think one of the unsung heroes this season was the cinematography. Man, I would have loved to see this enlarged on a movie screen. HBO should organize a marathon showing in theaters. Because damn, who wouldn’t want to go to that?

  24. Abendstern
    Posted June 27, 2011 at 2:20 pm | Permalink

    First thing, I really loved the series and think it was much better than I ever hoped, so the negative points I list are really not so bad. Sorry for my bad english, too.

    Positive Surprises: I liked a lot of the characters better than in the books, due to the actors and additional scenes I think. For example Dany, Drogo and Viserys, I skipped their story often when rereading the books. Catlyn and Robert were good and even Cersei a little bit.
    Because everyone of the cast was so great I think some dropped a bit compared to the books, first one is Ned, not showing his dreams and promise conflict robbed some of his character I think. Second Maester Aemon, he was one of my favorites in the books, I thinks he came a bit short here same for Sandor.

    Some things I missied too, where the direwolf, they did not come off as magical creatures at all.
    The dreams, most important Neds, now he’s dead and we wont see anymore of that history until Dance of Dragons or Winds of Winter? I get the feeling George changed his mind about the hints of Jons parents and told them not to show them.
    Maybe because to many already guessed it right?
    No war scenes, did not expect much to begin with, but that was really strange, in the Robb scene I did not get at all what had happened, if I had not read the books, I would have thought Robb catched Jaime wandering alone in the woods?

    Now to the really nice scenes. I loved the last episode most I think, because of the many great moments, like the king of the north, getting Jon back with the nightwatch oath, Dany and her Dragons and even Arya and Gendry setting north.

    I really could live with less sexposition and horse slaughtering, I mean someone should tell them a person has not 10 litre of blood and it does not sprout like a fountain either, that is more funny than anything else.
    But I guess the average HBO Fan has to get his fix or so.

    I really hope the second season will be as great or even better, fingers crossed.

  25. Girt the Great
    Posted June 27, 2011 at 2:22 pm | Permalink

    Long-time lurker, 1st time poster -

    One thing that I don’t see getting much love is the Opening Credits sequence. I know when reading the books and other large-scale fantasy novels (LotR, etc) I’m constantly flipping back and forth from the reading pages to the maps just to figure out where all this is stuff is taking place.

    For those who haven’t read the books, providing a sense of geography is very important so that the scope of the story comes into bear. Additionally, it keeps the opening credits fresh. It is really a clever way of setting up Westeros et al, I’m not sure if I’ve seen anything else like it.

  26. educatedpony
    Posted June 27, 2011 at 2:25 pm | Permalink

    high point for me through out the series was the awesome depth that was brought to a lot of the more “minor” characters in game of thrones who don’t make it out of the first book alive. king robert, drogo, viserys. characters that in the books never spoke to me much but who the actors brought up to a whole new dimension and made me love and care about. and over all, i absolutely agree, that the acting was top notch. also, the attention to detail in the costumes and set were really interesting and very well curated even if i didn’t always agree with it. enjoyed it very much.

    low point for me was the portrayal of cersei. i like lena heady a lot, but i just didn’t like this twist or interpretation of the character as more of a wounded woman. i didn’t connect with it at all. maybe it’s just a matter of perspective but she seemed to be the most radical departure from the book.

    i also thought it was a very weird choice to portray dany with a full head of hair after emerging from the fire. i KNOW it’s nit-picky. i know. but it bugged me a lot. i think that dany being bald is a serious symbol of rebirth and a powerful moment where it’s clear that we are looking at a new woman. i can’t understand why they chose to portray her with her long hair! wouldn’t it be easy enough thing to do with make up and CGI? if the dragons look good, why not dany? was it a vanity thing? were they afraid she’d look unattractive to viewers? i don’t get it.

    the dragons were fine. but dany looking EXACTLY the same coming out of the fire as she did going in was a big disappointment for yours truly.

  27. educatedpony
    Posted June 27, 2011 at 2:29 pm | Permalink

    Girt the Great,

    yes, the credits were awesome. good call.

  28. Mirri Maz
    Posted June 27, 2011 at 2:30 pm | Permalink

    Oh where to start?? i’ll try to make this into bullet points to make it easier.

    Positives:
    - The acting/casting, i didn’t think they would be able to get such a great cast with hardly any weak links. Lena Heady was a bit up and down (she needs a better wig) but delivered on the important scenes, Michelle Fairly and Emilia Clarke were both a revelation and they matched the idea of them that i had in my head.

    - The set: both exterior and interior were amazing,the high hall in The Eyrie was my favorite and again the amount of details in the bed chambers was just mind blowing.

    -The dragons: they deserve a mention for pulling such great animation especially now that i’ve watched the True Blood premiere and saw how wrong these things could go.

    -The added scenes: especially the one liners “fucking boars and hunting whores”, “i want to be a wizard” “do you lie at night fearing my gash” are all iconic to me.

    The Negatives:
    -Pacing: in the first three episodes it felt more like scenes from GoT rather than GoT the TV show, it got better by the end of the season btu i still hear from people i know who are starting the show how hard it is to not get distracted by the amounts of jumps.

    - Some of the sexposition (mainly the Littlefinger scene) which i thought was a bit much.

    i would say the costumes were cool but took some getting used to because they were not what’s you’d expect in a fantasy and some of the hair was a bit off (mainly Cersei’s wigs).

    That’s all i can think of now, other things that bothered many but not me were the dire wolves and the battles because in the end if anything was to be cut then i’m glad it’s these two and not parts of the story. Also i generally found Ros entertaining, and provided some comic relief.

  29. rob
    Posted June 27, 2011 at 2:30 pm | Permalink

    Kate:
    I agree with most of the post, except for the praise of the birth of the dragons. I didn’t like the scene. Didn’t work for me. I wanted to see Dany rising amidst the fire, or at least appearing from among the ashes. The pyre was ridicously tiny, and it didn’t make sense that people had gone to sleep with Dany “burning” a few meters apart.

    Agreed. The way it happened in the book “made sense” (as far as dragon birthing goes), and this took away from my suspension of disbelief because it didn’t make as much sense.

    That being said, I also think this one scene was basically their “shoot jaws at the end and he will blow up even though a shark wouldn’t do that” scene… where it didn’t really matter whether the logistics were all sound because they had the audience captured with the past 2 episodes.

  30. Michael Sundararaman
    Posted June 27, 2011 at 2:30 pm | Permalink

    1) Favorite acting scenes/actors
    2) On Sexposition
    3) What they can and can’t/didn’t hide

    A) Owen Teale– Ser Aliser Thorne: Brutal exposition when he talking to Sam and Jon about spending 6 months North of the wall.
    B) Margaret John– Old Nan: Fantastic scene when she is telling Bran of winters with snow 100 feet high…she has just the right air of creepiness about her that you don’t think its just a story.
    C) Maisie Williams– Arya Stark: Not much need be said except that the should have put her up for best supporting actress.

    2) Sexposition: wasn’t always smooth- the Littlefinger scene seemed forced but the Viserys/Doreah scene was quite good. No one seemed to like the Pycelle/Ros scene but me. But I like how it showed that everyone is playing at the game of thrones and no one is as they seem.

    3) What they can and can’t hide: I never figured out from reading the book that it was Master Illyrio and Varys walking in the tunnel that Arya overheard. I felt the Varys part was obvious. I guess I didn’t realize it was so easy to travel across the seas so I didn’t realize it was him. They showed it quite clearly-although I supposed they didnt need to show his face.
    I also felt it would have been very difficult hiding what was going on in the Ned flashback during one of his fever dreams about fighting outside of the Tower of Joy and then Lyanna: “Promise Me, Ned”

    Comments appreciated.

  31. Sansa's Lemoncakes
    Posted June 27, 2011 at 2:31 pm | Permalink

    The recap’s on the dot. My thoughts and concerns are mostly the same – a great adaptation with a few aspects in need of improvement. Here are my Gameys:

    Best Book Scene: Ned’s beheading. Pitch perfect on all counts from acting to direction. Viserys gets crowned also gets a mention.
    Worst Book Scene: Arya’s first kill felt off. Poor editing ruined a pivotal character moment. And they could have left out Hodor’s random flashing.

    Best New Scene:
    Robert and Cersei reminisce about their terrible no-good very bad marriage. All the new scenes with Ned and Arya were also great.
    Worst New Scene: “Play with her ass”. Interminable, cringeworthy and clunky.

    Favourite Casting Choice – Male: Sean Bean made for a strong lynchpin in the first season. Peter Dinklage was always a gimme for Tyrion and lived up to his potential. Jack Gleeson doesn’t get enough love for his perfect Joffrey.
    Least Favourite Casting Choice – Male: The casting was strong throughout. However Gethin Anthony’s Renly lacks charisma. Kit Harington need to close his mouth. And Chris from Skins is too old and skinny for Gendry.

    Favourite Casting Choice – Female: The newcomers have really impressed me. Emilia Clarke makes for a wonderful Dany and Maisie Williams has done the impossible – somehow made Arya more awesome than in the books.
    Least Favourite Casting Choice – Female: Does Ros count?

    Needs Improvement: I hope there’s a bigger budget next season dedicated to creating a sense of scale. I don’t need LoTR battles but something more than “Tyrion gets knocked out” please.

    Funniest Moment: Tyrion’s confession followed by Sweetrobin’s breathless response.

    Best Moment That Spawned a Thousand Gifs:
    Tyrion slaps Joffrey
    Most Brain-scarring Moment in Gif-dom: Lysa breastfeeds Sweetrobin. Yes, someone did make a gif of it.

    Favourite Gate: Ghosts barks. Chaos ensues.
    Least Favourite Gate: Any time an adult female casting announcement was made
    Alternately Hilarious and Depressing Gate: Loras gives Renly a sloppy BJ. Anger and denial ensues.

  32. digtastik
    Posted June 27, 2011 at 2:32 pm | Permalink

    High Point: Dragons. The final scene that I was so worried about turned out perfect.

    Low Point: Manikan Skywalker, er, I mean the stable boy. That whole scene was poorly edited or something. DON’T PUT YOUR KIDS ON THE SHOW just because.

    also, I have to say Emilia made me care about a character/arc that I didn’t care about in the books until the 3rd volume. She was fantastic.

  33. John W
    Posted June 27, 2011 at 2:35 pm | Permalink

    Likes:
    -Peter Dinklage (Tyrion) I hope he wins an Emmy
    -Emilia Clarke (Dany) ditto
    -The scene between King Robert and Queen Cersei
    -The scenes between Littlefinger and Varys (fear the gash!)
    -Khal Drogo ripping the tongue out of that dude
    -The golden crown
    -Summer ripping the throat out of the would be assassin
    -”You don’t fight with honor.” “No but he did.”
    -Miltos Yeromelou (Syrio Forel)!!!! “Not today!”
    -”Shagga likes axes”
    -Maisie Williams
    -The White Walkers

    Did not care for (all minor gripes)
    -Too much sexposition. I don’t have a problem with parading hot chicks around naked (and dudes for the ladies) but I think they could have cut back a bit and still managed to tell the story.
    -The way Dany’s storyline varied from the book

  34. rob
    Posted June 27, 2011 at 2:35 pm | Permalink

    Mick J:
    Sexposition: a clever, convenient, and blunt narrative device and not that big of a deal.

    Who else are those characters supposed to talk to in order to reveal their true selves? [...]

    I have yet to hear a better, more efficient way for those 5 to reveal what’s going on inside their heads.

    Well they could wrinkle their forehead and squint their eyes and tilt their head and look just barely past the camera while a slightly muffled inner monologue plays to denote their internal dialogue like Dune.

    I keed, I keed!!!

  35. dizzy_34
    Posted June 27, 2011 at 2:38 pm | Permalink

    ditto to everything Winter said.

  36. Girt the Great
    Posted June 27, 2011 at 2:42 pm | Permalink

    Wasn’t the stable boy the same kid from Speed Racer?

  37. Mongerel
    Posted June 27, 2011 at 2:49 pm | Permalink

    Season One developed as a remarkable and admirable adaptation of our beloved Game of Thrones. Something I noticed again and again as we watched one episode after another, was that the writers seemed to anticipate what the fans would be clamoring for (examples: Name that character — Theon — then we would get Plenty o’ Theon. Needs more wolves! Ultimately got a satisfactory dose of wolves).

    I think they got across the two most important aspects of the first book, a lovable family torn apart and scattered by political machinations, and the higher stakes that loom over Westeros. The slow introduction of the supernatural elements was done perfectly. The story arc for one season was introduced well, consistently developed, and satisfyingly closed. The overall arc for the upcoming seasons was firmly established. This is workmanlike, as well as entertaining, storytelling.

    I think that where this production was weakest was in its inconsistency, and I speculate that this has to do with the teams in the different locations. For example, the Wall scenes were dynamite, making the Dothraki scenes look cheap, underfunded, and ill organized by comparison. Luckily, the actors were compelling enough to overcome the disappointing lack of urban sprawl (King’s Landing), and the threatening scale of a screaming Dothraki horde.

    Perfect:
    • Viserys. Harry Lloyd was just brilliant in this role.
    • Joffrey, shivery ditto.
    • Tyrion (A+ with sprinkles)
    • King Robert
    • Ned
    • Drogo, Dany, and Jorah, MMD (without these terrific performances, the Dothraki scenes could have been weak enough to scuttle the whole show, IMO)
    • Arya

    Satisfactory:
    • Catelyn
    • Sansa
    • Jon
    • Robb
    • Bran
    • Varys (I hope he gets heaps more screen time)
    • Littlefinger

    Things I would have liked more of:
    • Sansa’s dreamy and gullible sweetness, instead of entitled brattiness. I think that was a poor interpretation of her character.

    • Cleganes. The Mountain got his menacing moment, but then disappeared. Who is going to remember who he is next season? And Hound (a personal favorite of mine)…where was his menace? Heck, where were his lines?

    • Hodor. I was not convinced that he was Bran’s constant companion.

    • Rickon, Myrcella, and Tommen

    Things I would like have liked less of:
    • Cercei’s scowl. Every time I saw her on screen I was counting the lines between her eyebrows. I think I counted 2 main lines and 14 sublines in one that was harshly lit. Seriously, it was such a distracting mannerism on the part of the actress that I think of her as the Accordion Face, rather than Queen, winner of Game of Thrones, Round 1. Oom-pah. And that scene where she claimed to have had a black-haired son? *Wince* That was not a “deleted scene” that added to the plot, as far as I’m concerned. Anyway, she was the one person whose screen time irritated me the most. Well, except for Ros, and I’m not even going to talk about that because I was disgusted at the time, and even after a cooling off period, I still can’t justify any of that…dreck.

    To sum up, I think the first season gets an 8 out of 10 from me. The pacing was choppy, and the whole thing seemed to suffer from inconsistent, rather than inadequate, funding. The acting was superb, the CGI that was used was very good (except for the “horde” in the background of the Dothraki wedding scene).

    Most of all I am so very, very grateful for everyone involved for delivering a story that was Faithful To Its Source. It’s a relief, it’s a joy, and it honors GRRM’s terrific achievement.

  38. DibuK
    Posted June 27, 2011 at 2:53 pm | Permalink

    Mormegil,

    Ok. Still, I stand by my point- KL looked too much oriental (think Jerusalem) compared to the way it was depicted in the books.

  39. The Hand's Jerk
    Posted June 27, 2011 at 2:53 pm | Permalink

    All the major topics have been touched on already. I’d like to add a few minor comments/opinions:
    1. It would’ve been really really nice to have an extra couple of hours so that several scenes that were cut (e.g. kids sparing in Winterfel) or many that were shortened were corrected. This would’ve given a little extra context and in some cases prevented attempted lampshade hanging.
    2. Some of the viewed changes were obviously necessary, though unfortunite (Wolves being the biggest perhaps); But I’m slightly bothered by what I consider needless changes. Some examples below:
    a. Why is GMP giving the High Septon’s speach? The Septon is left standing there like a useless mummer fool (Does it cost extra money to have an extra give 4-5 lines of speach?)
    b. After killing the stable boy (who by the way is armed with a pitchfork in the book), Arya has to use her training to calm herself down and walk across the yard so as not to draw attention from Lannister guards and gold cloaks. In the show she just runs off scared.
    c. Robb: “To do either we must cross the Twins.” No, not the case at all. I’m presuming this is simplifying for the casual viewer but it doesn’t make any sense geographically-continuity wise and doesn’t really promote the story/situation.
    d. Maybe it’s just the wargammer in me, but the drastic strategic change in Robb’s plan and attack left me grumbling a bit. You don’t think Tywin’s scouts would’ve noticed that the diversion was only 1/10th size of Robb’s host? This change also potentially complicates future plot points.
    e. Having Jorah go to his knees and say “Blood of my blood” just doesn’t work for me. He’s already sworn to her, this is supposed to be spoken by Khal’s Blood Riders who were to escort Dany to the Crones. This line should’ve probably just been dropped.

    Having said that, I’m still very pleased with show. The acting (other than dying stable boy) has been very strong.

  40. Sandra Gomes
    Posted June 27, 2011 at 2:55 pm | Permalink

    I pretty much agree with everything you’ve written. I just have another minor complaint that concerns time.
    I think that non-readers needed some references to the passing of time, some mention, I don’t know, something.
    Sometimes it felt like it all happened in the same day or week…

    That’s the only point that, in my opinion, was not completely acomplished. Everything else was absolutely awesome.

  41. Hollyoak
    Posted June 27, 2011 at 2:55 pm | Permalink

    Girt the Great:
    Long-time lurker, 1st time poster -

    One thing that I don’t see getting much love is the Opening Credits sequence.I know when reading the books and other large-scale fantasy novels (LotR, etc) I’m constantly flipping back and forth from the reading pages to the maps just to figure out where all this is stuff is taking place.

    For those who haven’t read the books, providing a sense of geography is very important so that the scope of the story comes into bear.Additionally, it keeps the opening credits fresh.It is really a clever way of setting up Westeros et al, I’m not sure if I’ve seen anything else like it.

    Of course, the title sequences were awesome. Good point. The graphics team should get an award for that.

    A few of my best moments off the top of my head. A lot of them are the moments between the moments.

    Old Nan to Bran: “Are these the stories you like little Lord?” And Bran nods silently. Just beautiful. Isaac Hempstead Wright should get more props. That kid is incredible.

    Speaking of Isaac, when he gets the lesson from Maester Luwin about the families and their sigils and words. His moodiness and sense of melancholia is perfect there.

    Bran, once again, in the crypt with Osha. There was a nice bit of exposition again as he pointed out the statues and how they related to his family. Never hurts to remind viewers of the family history.

    Caetltyn defending Bran from the Catspaw and slicing her hand on Valryian steel.

    When Caetlyn, Tyrion, Bronn et al meet Ser Vardis and the Knights of the Vale. The way the knights came thundering down from that mountain cliff pass was incredible. That was a perfect fantasy image, and brought to mind the book, the King of Elfland’s Daughter. or the Well at World’s End.

    Ned defending his girls in front of Robert and Cersei, before Lady is killed.

    “Boy” Arya as she comes back to the castle, telling the two guards who she is. “My Father is Lord Eddard Stark.”

    Joffrey and the butcher’s boy scene.

    The Knight of Flowers as he rides up and hands Sansa the rose.

    The Starks and their bannermen in front of the Twins. Photography was superb.

    Ok, obviously, I have many more and these were off the top of my head.

    One complaint: I thought the scene in the market where the wineseller attempts to poison Dany came off poorly. That scene and surroundings felt very stagey. Would have liked to seen the Dothraki as more expansive.

  42. shadallion
    Posted June 27, 2011 at 2:57 pm | Permalink

    The Best:

    99% of the acting, and actors chosen
    The Wall
    Khal Drogo’s speech
    The Big Two Scenes
    The opening credits
    The music, especially the grand version of the main theme played in the final scene
    Aemon’s lecture to Jon about duty
    The opening prologue beyond the wall (genuinely frightening)
    Tyrion: the acting, the lines (new and from the book). Emmy.

    The BAD:

    Lena Headey as Cersei
    Lack of scope (great call by WiC)
    Dogs are not direwolves
    Arya killing the stable boy
    Other the Zombie Stooge
    Jon wearing a stupid white fringed cloak, it’s ridiculous, just make it black, we’ll recognize him!

    Overall I LOVED the show. 9.5/10, and certainly right up there with The Wire, Sopranos, The Shield, and Mad Men as the best show ever produced.

    I think if they fix some things next season, I believe it has a legit shot of being the GOAT.

  43. Andrew son of Endrew
    Posted June 27, 2011 at 2:58 pm | Permalink

    What does everyone think of Kit Harrington? Jon Snow is one of the most important characters and I’m not feeling like this dude is nailing it, especially for me when I see how Richard Madden really stepped it up as his character developed in the later episodes. Seems like Harrington has pretty much one go-to expression for how he’s feeling about situations. Perhaps the ambivalence and confusion of the character’s feeling sabout what he was expecting of the night’s watch, and his loyalty to his family vs. duty to the Watch is really hard for a young actor and in season 2 he’ll shine more with a more resolute purpose. And I don’t if it’s his struggle to find the character that ruined the seen with Othar and the lord commander but that scene was extremely disappointing. Not only was Ghost not allowed to participate in the action, and the eyes of Othar not glowing enough, but that scene was scary as hell in the book and only a little tense on screen. Compared to how amazing so many other scenes transposed to the screen it felt like the director didn’t even know he was supposed to film that scene until that day.

    Also, I think sex is cool and I like good looking girls so I don’t really get what most people’s hang ups are with that. I’m hoping we’ll get some full frontal Cersei some time.

  44. fraser
    Posted June 27, 2011 at 3:01 pm | Permalink

    My biggest complaint was the cheesy way they crowned viserys.

  45. Julian Walker
    Posted June 27, 2011 at 3:12 pm | Permalink

    I LIKEDED DA PART WHEN THE DUDE WIT DA BRITISH AKSCENT STARTED TALKING !!!!!!!!

  46. KristiB
    Posted June 27, 2011 at 3:13 pm | Permalink

    The Hand’s Jerk,

    Why is GMP giving the High Septon’s speach? The Septon is left standing there like a useless mummer fool (Does it cost extra money to have an extra give 4-5 lines of speach?)

    Actually it does. Featured extras command a much higher paycheck than ones without lines and I wouldn’t want HBO to waste its budget.

    As for the season, I think I most loved being free from POV constraints. It helped me care much more for characters I was lukewarm about in the books. E.g. Robb (Richard Madden has made me one of Robb’s biggest fans), Catelyn (so much more compassionate on the show), Maester Luwin (barely paid attention to him in the books) and Viserys (was almost sad to see him crowned).

    I was least impressed with the Hound’s treatment. He’s been turned into a relative softy and his best scenes cut or given away. Too bad because he was one of my favourites in the books.

    I’m sure this is an unpopular opinion, but I almost hope that HBO includes even more “deleted scenes” because if adhering strictly to the page can make for a clumsy and poorly paced TV show – they are totally different mediums. That said, any altered/new scenes HAVE to stay true to the heart and tone of the books.

    And Ros should be limited to MAXIMUM two episodes (because I doubt D&D could ever part with her entirely).

  47. Girt the Great
    Posted June 27, 2011 at 3:13 pm | Permalink

    John W,

    Just curious, how did Dany’s storyline differ? All the major parts of GoT for her were in season one, right? Did I miss something?

  48. Sansa's Lemoncakes
    Posted June 27, 2011 at 3:14 pm | Permalink

    Andrew son of Endrew,

    I’ll repeat what I said about him above: “Kit Harington need to close his mouth”. He’s the weakest of the Stark kids, especially in comparison to Richard Madden who’s nailing Robb. Part of the problem is that he’s a visibly adult actor spouting dialogue originally written for a moody 14-year-old. But his open-mouthed gawping in every scene is not helping. I hope he’ll step it up next season when Jon leaves teen Emoville behind, but right now he’s the main character I feel the least connected to.

  49. Martin E
    Posted June 27, 2011 at 3:15 pm | Permalink

    Loved the series, so much better than I expected, and in some respects, more even than I was hoping for.

    I think you have all covered the main points, but the stand outs for the production as a whole:

    Acting – generally good to great (with a few occasional weaknesses)
    Actors – again very good, with some real stand outs (especially the younger members)

    The one stand out in the acting for me – really given my concerns over the casting – was Mark Addy. He brought something to the heart of the show, and (along with Samwell/Bradley-West) some much needed lightness and humour, without which I think the show could have got bogged down in it’s own darkness.

    Overall the production was exceptional (with occasional problems of scale that have already been mentioned)

    Weaknesses ?

    The first 4 episodes, I felt were a bit slow and in some ways disjointed, and made the show more difficult to ‘get’. I do agree with some of the criticism that the earlier episodes perhaps suffered from a lack of episodal (is that a word?) structure. I don’t blame anyone for that as such, part of that is due to the sheer weight of material, character and exposition that was required. It feels like nit-picking to mention it, it’s just that so much of the show was of such a high quality that it raised the bar. As a whole, however, the show’s arc was well put together.

    Littlefinger: Whilst generally well acted by Aidan Gillen, I think that the role of Littlefinger lost some of the ambiguity that I felt when I read the books. In some respects, the Littlefinger of the show is a different character from the one in my head. Having said that, some of the scenes (especially with Conleth / Varys) were very well done.

    My favourite scenes (steering a bit deliberately away from the obvious):

    Syrio’s last stand with Arya (that one scene was the most emotional for me)

    Master Aemon’s speech to Jon revealing who is (Peter Vaughn – exceptional casting) – again the unexpected emotion in the scene hit me between the eyes.

    A simple one – but the ravens issuing forth from Winterfell with the call to Stark bannermen. Shivers went down my spine.

    The whole pre-credit prologue – that was the set that we stumbled across in Tollymore whilst out walking, yet still delivered a great punch to start the whole show off.

    I could go on, but dinner calls

  50. Jessica C.
    Posted June 27, 2011 at 3:24 pm | Permalink

    Isaac Hempstead-Wright was my favorite cast member out of everyone. Yeah Maisie is good, but some people act like she is miles better than the other children on the show. It simply is not true.

    If I had to rank the children he would be my number one with Jack Glesson as my number two.

    My only complaints would be scenes that were in the book that were not shown. ( ex: Bran and Robb’s talk where Robb breaks down and cries and Jon going to Aemon regarding Sam joining the Night’s Watch)

    My other complaint was Mormon’t raven not being in the show. No joke I missed him.

    I’m going to throw some love at Joseph Mawle another underrated cast member who I absolutely adored in every scene he was in.

  51. Blargh
    Posted June 27, 2011 at 3:24 pm | Permalink

    Loved pretty much everything except the change in Renly (and by extension, to a smaller degree, Loras). To quote from something I’ve posted elsewhere:

    Renly and Loras should not be weak little pansies. They should be strong (if still somewhat lithe, especially in Loras’ case) warrior types. Making them into weak little pansies actually comes off, in my view, as a more regressive interpretation of their gay relationship (and of gays in general). Renly should NOT flinch at the sight of blood (but nor should he relish it, as Robert did).

    Now, as Catelyn observes, book Renly may have been “playing at king” too much (on the march north), but he still had a refreshing (if a bit vain take) on what it means to be a good king, and how to be one. Book Renly was energetic, gregarious, hilarious and clever. He was an unforgettable character whom, when he entered the room, you took note of.

    TV Renly is boring, forgettable, not worthy of notice, he’s afraid of the sight of blood. He throws a hissy fit directed towards Robert on a hunt when Robert is being an overmasculine/warmongering douchebag, something which I suspect many readers here applaud as evidence that he ‘gets it’ and would make a great king. All of which might be okay if didn’t come across as COMPLETELY AND UTTERLY ANACHRONISTIC. After I watched that scene, I was utterly amazed that it could be seen as a plausible way for a medieval lord to behave.

    Contrast this with a (very brief) scene that we DIDN’T get, one of book Renly’s first, during the aftermath of Nymeria attacking Joffrey in the woods. Renly is present when the kids are giving their ‘testimony,’ and he laughs hysterically at the point where Arya disarms Joffrey and throws his sword in the river, mocking Joffrey at length until Robert throws him out. No one else in that room had the guts to call Joffrey out, even though pretty much everyone had to assume he was full of shit. THAT’s the character of Renly that I love — the Renly who says what he thinks, is larger than life & isn’t afraid of permanently making an enemy of the loathed heir apparent Joffrey.

    If Stannis has the personality of a lobster, then TV Renly must be some form of crustacean as well. Gethin Anthony’s acting is fine — but acting can’t make up for it, in this case. A previous comment mentioned that he lacks the charisma to play Renly; but as TV Renly is so boring to begin with, I’m not sure if that’s a fair criticism.

    I conclude by pointing out, again, that I think this is probably THE ONLY thing I don’t like about Season 1, so if it comes off as a bit rant-ish it’s only because I’m really having a hard time seeing the justification for this change.

  52. Knurk
    Posted June 27, 2011 at 3:26 pm | Permalink

    You know, I have a list of nitpicks like everybody else but then I started thinking. If my ‘year-younger me’ could read that list he would have started screaming and yelling at the ‘now me’: “What the hell dude, is that all you have to complain about ? That sounds like the most epic adaptation I can freakin’ dream of! I’m scared shitless in a thousands way how they are going to fuck up my favourite books and you complain about one actress and a lack of Hound screentime?!?! You are not me!!”

    I would be very, very satisfied if HBO can maintain the same quality-lever for next season.

  53. TSF
    Posted June 27, 2011 at 3:27 pm | Permalink

    Great recap; I too sorely missed the battle-scenes from the books. GRRM is an absolute master at telling stories from the POV, but I especially enjoy this technique in his battle-scenes, as they really emphasize how chaotic such conflicts must have been. Missed them quite a lot.

    As for the end-of-season awards:
    Best male actor; 1) NCW, 2) Jerome Flynn, 3) Aidan Gillen.
    Best female: 1) Michelle Fairley, 2) Emilia Clarke, 3) Maisie Williams
    Best newcomer: 1) Maisie Williams, 2) Emilia Clarke, 3) Sophie Turner
    Most awesome-as-all-f**k: 1) Miltos Yerolemou, 2) Iain Glenn, 3) Eric McElhinney
    Best character that we love to hate: 1) Charles Dance, 2) Conan Stevens, 3) Conleth Hill
    Most overlooked: 1) Jamie Sives, 2) Rory McCann, 3) Dar Salim

  54. Lisa
    Posted June 27, 2011 at 3:27 pm | Permalink

    Andrew son of Endrew,

    I really liked him in that role actually. In my opinion, Jon is not a really outgoing character, I think someone once described him as “a pot of boiling water with a lid on it” and that nails it. He’s brooding and troubled and withdrawn, there’s a lot going on inside of him but he doesn’t let it show. So, it’s probably a bit unfair to compare him to Robb because Robb is more likeable, he’s outgoing and he gets all these emotional moments (for example, I couldn’t see Jon crying in someones armes), whereas Jon’s more closed down and that’s maybe the reason why he seems one-dimensional and boring. Of course, in the books you know what he is thinking and feeling because you’re inside his head but in the show that’s difficult but I think Kit Harington did a really great job conveying it, you can clearly see Jon’s inner turmoil going on in his eyes. I especially liked the scene where Thorne mocks him for being a traitor’s bastard and you think he’s going to let it slide off him and the next moment he jumps at Thorne with his knife. That’s one of the few moments where he really explodes. And the one with Maester Aemon when he slowly realises who Aemon really is.
    I hope, you get what I mean, English is not my first language. ;)

    As for the rest of the show: I loved it. Well, except for some of the sexposition scenes and I wish we had seen more of the direwolves but I understand that the dogs were hard to work with so I’ll just accept that. :) I also didn’t really care for the Dothraki but then I never really liked them in the book, so that’s probably just me. ;) But Harry Lloyd was amazing as Viserys, who to me always came across as rather one-dimensional in the book but in the show he was much more interesting!

  55. mummer
    Posted June 27, 2011 at 3:28 pm | Permalink

    DibuK: Walder Frey not saying “Heh!” at all

    Not true – there was definitely at least one “heh”.

  56. kerning
    Posted June 27, 2011 at 3:33 pm | Permalink

    Great recap. I find myself nodding in enthusiastic agreement to almost everything. I loved this adaptation’s first season, and am rather proud every time a critic gushes that the show has entered into the category as one of the best shows ever, and perhaps best first season of a show period. That’s high praise! :)

    To be nitpicky:

    Overall, the pacing was inconsistent. Sometimes it felt way too fast, other times, I wanted a scene to breathe or linger to have more impact. They had the time to linger on a gaze or to pause after a line–most of the episodes weren’t running to 60. I always come back to the council scene when Ned is discussing the kingdom’s debt–theDialogueRanLikeThis, with no time left to absorb or for the characters to realistically process the information. Later episodes I feel mostly resolved this. Mostly.

    I’d like to opine that Littlefinger’s sexposition was to me the most outrageous and over the top, in an uncomfortable way. The vocal gymnastics had me hoping no one was overhearing my program, so I just can’t support it. All other instances? Fine by me, but some are definitely superior to others (such as aforementioned Viserys in the tub).

    Another waste of scene for me is Addy’s drawn-out first kill speech. I wouldn’t do away with it entirely, but would have absolutely preferred if it were cut down. Only moment I was bored.

    And just a disappointment–I wish they touched on a bit more of the religions in Westeros. Perhaps that will more be a focus in season 2, where Melisandre thrusts the subject front and centre some. Still, it felt half-formed–hints here and there, maybe an uttered ‘Seven,’ a mention of weirwoods, ‘Pray to the Mother…’ But to a non-reader, I would guess very generic and spotty.

    Love the show still, and I need to marathon this through eventually!

  57. Liesie
    Posted June 27, 2011 at 3:33 pm | Permalink

    I thought this was an AWESOME season! I’m the kind of fan that would have rejoiced over a bad SciFi production, so can you imagine how happy I am with HBO (retorical question)? The only thing that bugged me was all the unnecesary sex, but that’s just something personal I guess…

    My favourite moments were everything that involved Arya and Jaime :) but the scene I liked best was definitely involving a couple of dragons! That scene was plugged out of my mind and put onto the screen: what a great finale!

    Ow and ‘seeing’ Jaqen was also a very good moment since everyone in the room looked very surprised at me jumping up because of a hooded character. If they’d only know how cool Jaqen is :)

    Said this before: but can’t wait for the fun to be starting all over again!

    -Always support the bottom-

  58. ghost
    Posted June 27, 2011 at 3:34 pm | Permalink

    Good Recap.
    -Number 1 disappointment was what they did to the Hound.
    -Number 2 was the King of the North scene.
    -Number 3 was no bloodshed with the battles.
    -Number 4 a few unnecessary sex scenes like the old guy and Greyjoy.

    -Everything is was near perfect.

  59. SeanFan
    Posted June 27, 2011 at 3:43 pm | Permalink

    Julian Walker: I LIKEDED DA PART WHEN THE DUDE WIT DA BRITISH AKSCENT STARTED TALKING !!!!!!!!

    Ummmmmmmm…….. that would be most of the cast! LOL! Who are you talking about?

    Also I’m sort of shocked after going through all of these replies so far and Ned is like mentioned three times and Sean Bean and his acting like twice! What gives? It’s just been a week since we sung his praises and now barely a mention. How soon we forget. If it wasn’t for Sean’s acting throughout the ENTIRE series, half of these characters/actors wouldn’t have come off half as good as they were…….not to mention the phenomenal success/impact his execution scene had!

    I can see people’s choices for naming their favorites amongst the actors but let’s not get this confused with best acting. Unfortunately the “best” is rarely the one who wins or is picked. The “favorite” clearly has the advantage. That’s why I hate these reality contest shows on tv or even these award shows. Half the time it has nothing to do with talent!

    I’m not saying he was the best but certainly he’s up there in the top five.

  60. Jaycel Adkins
    Posted June 27, 2011 at 3:48 pm | Permalink

    I agree with alot of what people are saying in regards to what they like and dislike about the first season, but was disappointed by this:

    Lack of Kingsguard history/meaning, which did/might do a few things that make the story less textured:

    1. Greatly diminishes Barristan Selmy, the actor is terrific, but the lack backstory can’t help but make the character appear a bit flat. The force retirement scene fell very flat, in an otherwise superb episode written by Martin and expertly directed.

    2. The role that the Kingsguard play in the arc of Jaime Lannister. Again, the actor is superb and gives us a great surface rendering of Jaime, but not very much depth, and we all know the depths that lie within Jaime Lannister, good and bad.

    3. Sansa vs. Joffrey/Kingsguard: The irony and bitterness that that whole dynamic creates in the books is pretty lost. It’s more about Joffrey being a twat and Sansa being stuck up, than it is the books. How she is going to get treated in CoK and SoS is not as rich an experience without hypocrisy and bitter lesson angle that exists in the books:

    To quote Littlefinger: “”Life is not a song, sweetling. You may learn that one day to your sorrow.” Of course she learns that with Ned’s death, but that is singular event, and the Kingsguard turn into a daily event.

    4. The Kingsguard vs. Ned: I think that it would have made Ned’s arc richer to have it contrasted with the Kingsguard illusion in company with Cersei’s machinations, than just have it be Cersei.

    Loved the show, one of the best first seasons ever, up there slightly ahead of LOST in my pantheon. Kudos to Linda of Westeros for putting that seed about the Kingsguard in my head at the beginning of the season, all the bad logic is mine solely.

  61. Julian Walker
    Posted June 27, 2011 at 3:49 pm | Permalink

    I say its about time guys like Jamie Sives and Dar Salim got attention for their performances. Its easy to praise actors like Dinklage and Bean, cuz their on the screen all the damn time. But the writers and the crew managed to make minor characters like Jory likeable. That scene with Jamie and Jory was well acted, even more heart breaking when Kingslayer had to kill Jory in the next episode.

    Dar Salim…..just DAMN. I know many of you won’t have too much to say about this guy, but the way he portrayed an insolent Dothraki and the way defied his Khalesii (or however you spell it) was memorable. This guy I want to see more of.

  62. Reupel
    Posted June 27, 2011 at 3:53 pm | Permalink

    I was very pleased with the first season. For me, the most important part was, that they stayed true to the books regarding character-motivations and overall story-arcs.

    That there have to be cuts on the visual side because of limited TV-budgets is obvious, and doesn’t matter to me, as long as the story and the characters remain intact.

  63. Julian Walker
    Posted June 27, 2011 at 3:53 pm | Permalink

    Oh yeah!! Joseph Mawle gets mad love for that scene in episode 3 with him, Tyrion and Yoren. Benjen telling Tyrion off was an awesome way to keep that character fresh in the viewers minds (or at least mine)

  64. Brad
    Posted June 27, 2011 at 4:02 pm | Permalink

    Mick J: Maybe cut a little away from The Twins/Dany and the witch/Tyrion’s drinking game? So we can see a 2-3 minute battle scene with thousands of soldiers costing who knows how much?

    Yep, that sounds great. I agree with Winter Is Coming — “The entire season had been building to a conflict between Stark and Lannister forces”. The lack of battles affected the dramatic structure of the season, because it took away a big part of the dramatic payoff.

    It would have been screentime & money well spent, in my opinion.

  65. DibuK
    Posted June 27, 2011 at 4:10 pm | Permalink

    mummer,

    Thanks for making me re-watch it… :)

    That “heh” was more of an “ha”- a mere chuckle. “heh” is one third chuckle, one third cough and one third venom. Don’t you agree?

  66. userj
    Posted June 27, 2011 at 4:16 pm | Permalink

    THE SHOW WAS SOOOO GOOD IDONTEVEN

    JUST Sooooooo fucking good.

    The acting! The action! Just everything! Soooooo right and beautiful and ahhhh…! *gaspgaspgasp*

    I really think that they didn’t just adapt when they made this series, they enhanced. They applied the strengths of the media to actually improve the entire aSoIaF experience. Through the excellent work of the actors, the directors, and the writers, we got to see what characters who were not Point of View characters from the books were thinking and feeling. In several cases this made me understand and appreciate the characters in ways that I could never have done with just the books (Sam, Jorah, Littlefinger, Varys, Viserys, and even very minor characters like Jory, Pip, Grenn, Rakharo and Irri).

    So great job, Season 1 was amazing.

  67. KG
    Posted June 27, 2011 at 4:18 pm | Permalink

    Julian Walker,

    I’m with you, I thought Dar Salim was electric in every scene he was in.

  68. Marilyn Bones
    Posted June 27, 2011 at 4:21 pm | Permalink

    I just wished they showed more direwolves … Ghost does not bark … and showed more of Bran’s storyline …

  69. Collie
    Posted June 27, 2011 at 4:27 pm | Permalink

    Great recap!
    I too really liked the Robert/Cersei scene…it added so much depth to their relationship with just a few minutes of screentime. Every extra scene had something to add to the story, though people may disagree about the way they were done. There’s so much backstory to Game of Thrones that a little ungainliness was almost inevitable. Gotta get those new viewers caught up somehow.

    All the acting jobs were superb, in my opinion.
    Best actresses:
    Emilia Clarke
    Michelle Fairley
    Sophie Turner. I loathed Sansa in AGoT, for being so stupid, but by ASoS she was someone I flipped ahead in the book to read. She’s not the Miss Badass that Arya is, but she’s the only person with no control whatsoever over her situation, and all the changes Sansa goes through slowly make her stronger and much more compelling to read. Everyone loves a smart-mouth, be it on Tyrion or Arya, but I have a soft spot for the non-badass Sansa. Sophie has played Sansa perfectly so far, and I can’t wait to see her in the seasons to come.

    Best actors:
    Peter Dinklage (obviously!)
    Harry Lloyd
    Sean Bean
    Ian McElhinney. He only had a small part this season, but I was grinning from ear to ear when Barristan threw down his armor in front of the Kingsguard. Greatest living knight, indeed.

    Didn’t mind the total lack of battles, wish there had been a little more of the direwolves. Loved the big moments, agree about the unfortunate lack of scale. Whatever little issues I had, I still devoured each new episode and blinked when I realized how fast the hour went. In the end, so long as the writing and acting remains this strong and does justice to the books I won’t bitch. I give the season an 9/10.

  70. John W
    Posted June 27, 2011 at 4:34 pm | Permalink

    I think the reason they didn’t show any battles this season was because HBO wanted to wait and see how the show did. Since the show is a hit I think they will open up the purse string and ask Lord Tywin for a loan and spend a little more on the battle scenes. Assuming season 2 is going to consist primarily of ACoK, I don’t see how they can avoid them altogether.

  71. Bro
    Posted June 27, 2011 at 4:38 pm | Permalink

    Lisa:
    Andrew son of Endrew,

    I really liked him in that role actually. In my opinion, Jon is not a really outgoing character, I think someone once described him as “a pot of boiling water with a lid on it” and that nails it. He’s brooding and troubled and withdrawn, there’s a lot going on inside of him but he doesn’t let it show. So, it’s probably a bit unfair to compare him to Robb because Robb is more likeable, he’s outgoing and he gets all these emotional moments (for example, I couldn’t see Jon crying in someones armes), whereas Jon’s more closed down and that’s maybe the reason why he seems one-dimensional and boring. Of course, in the books you know what he is thinking and feeling because you’re inside his head but in the show that’s difficult but I think Kit Harington did a really great job conveying it, you can clearly see Jon’s inner turmoil going on in his eyes. I especially liked the scene where Thorne mocks him for being a traitor’s bastard and you think he’s going to let it slide off him and the next moment he jumps at Thorne with his knife. That’s one of the few moments where he really explodes. And the one with Maester Aemon when he slowly realises who Aemon really is.
    I hope, you get what I mean, English is not my first language. ;)

    I agree with you Lisa. Jon Snow is a difficult character to play (I’d imagine) because he is so withdrawn and doesn’t show his emotions (except those few times he blows a fuse!). So Kit has to do all his acting with his eyes. For me, he IS Jon Snow. Next season should be very interesting for him.

    As for the season itself, I have very few complaints. I didn’t really care about the sexposition with the exception of Littlefinger’s spiel. The speech would have worked pefectly well on its own. With the direwolves, I would have liked to see more and actually hear them being called by name! Ghost and Shaggydog were the only ones I heard. The lack of battles didn’t particularly bother me either.
    The acting is absolutely superb. Nina Gold, you are a genius. I also loved the costume designs and Ramin Djawadi did an excellent job with the score. I’m glad he didn’t go MAD epic a la Hans Zimmer, GoT doesn’t need that to enhance it. So it was kept subtle and I like that. The opening credits are also amazing, they had better be winning an award of some kind!

  72. JJ the Crow
    Posted June 27, 2011 at 4:44 pm | Permalink

    Fantastic season!!!! Honestly, i think best actor should go to the kid that plays Joff (I think Gleason is his name). I work with four non-readers who absolutely love the HBO series and they all share a severe hatred for Joff. To elicit that sort of emotion from people regarding your character says a lot about the actor portraying him.

  73. Puzzlnut
    Posted June 27, 2011 at 4:49 pm | Permalink

    I am 99% delighted with the series. It has been an extremely good interpretation of the written word. I would like to see more direwolves and the sexposition was a bit much but those are small things. I’m confident that they’ll be able to develop the direwolves into something more like we’ve imagined. The series and the books will always be separate for me. The series shows things that the books can’t but will never, never replace the books.

  74. Alan
    Posted June 27, 2011 at 4:50 pm | Permalink

    Is this a season in review thread or a chance to point out THE ONE THING I HATED!!!

    Frankly, I think most of us who have read the books do the series a tremendous disservice. Let’s face it, we’re not watching the show for the characters or for the story. We’re not watching the show as it was meant to be seen.

    Some of us watch it to see how well they adapted it. Many of us appreciate the acting and seeing the words put into action. Most of us are watching to see certain scenes we’ve visualized in our head many, many times. Those “Kick-ass” scenes we love.

    Very few of us who have read the books are watching this as a story to be told and characters to learn.

    You can see in the conversations above. If you complain about how King’s Landing should look, for example, I’m not sure you’re going to be happy at all. No adaptation will cling to that level of detail.

    But even if you are reasonable, like Winter’s initial post itself, it’s not wholly fair to the show. A pros and cons list? What reviews actually have pros and cons lists? None, really, and there’s a reason for that — because you can’t encapsulate the success of a series in a series of evenly weighted pros and cons. And that list is more or less evenly weighted.

    At the end of the day, I have a hard time when post reviews say, “It’s a very good but imperfect adaptation.” The standard for fans of the books is ridiculously high. I don’t mean this as a criticism; it just is. There’s no way around it.

    Frankly, I view the series this way: 99% of the book readers are still watching, so you didn’t piss them off. And 100% of my non-book reading friends thought it was phenomenal. They don’t notice things missing; what grabbed them was a well-paced plot, a logical plot that knew where it was going, excellent characters, fantastic acting and a world that they were okay learning things as they go.

    I honestly didn’t hear the comments on hear about new watchers from new watchers: yes, they didn’t understand everything and didn’t know everyone’s name at all times. But they got IT, overall. And they are hooked. (For example, not one single non-reader I know complained about the lack of battles or wolves).

    Rather than inflict my own biases from my book-reading, I’ll allow their rating to take precedence. Wild success.

  75. TSF
    Posted June 27, 2011 at 5:00 pm | Permalink

    Julian Walker,

    Exactly; in my opinion, what really makes this show so strong is how you really believe in all the characters , not just the big names(not that they haven’t done a helluva job, they have!). Perfomances like Dar Salim and Jamie Sives’ are what really makes this show come alive…

  76. OldGran
    Posted June 27, 2011 at 5:03 pm | Permalink

    AS book to screen adaptations go Game of Thrones is one of the best, if the THE best. All of our “nit-picks” are because we’ve read the books and no TV show is going to be as detailed as the books. That said , I too would have liked more direwolves. I thought there would be more child/wolf bonding. There are little things I would have done differently, bald Dany for one, but the Dragons made up for it. All in all an excellent adaptation, now I’m ready for Dance.

  77. hornhillbilly
    Posted June 27, 2011 at 5:03 pm | Permalink

    Agree with most of the recap, especially about the scale. Loved Bronn and Tyrion.

  78. david ahern
    Posted June 27, 2011 at 5:06 pm | Permalink

    Mongerel,

    i think they are setting up jon snow being ned and cersei”s son. anyone else think cersei is jons mother?

  79. Mike Chair
    Posted June 27, 2011 at 5:07 pm | Permalink

    Favorite scene: Arya with Syrio I: “You are skinny. That is gooood.” I walked around the next day quoting Miltos on Syrio all day.

    Favorite line: “What do we say to the god of death … Not today” from Arya with Syrio II.

    Favorite still shot: Arya with Yoren. *tears*

    Favorite beheading: The Mountain shortens his horse.

    Favorite sex scene: Dany on top.

    Most improved character: Sandor Clegane. Kudos to Rory McCann for that. (Honorable mention must go to Natalia Tena for her Osha).

    Most creepy scene: Robin Arryn on the teat.
    Least favorite scene: Any scene with Ros.

    Least favorite character: Ros.

    Favorite recap writer: James Hibberd.

    Favorite recap personality: Larry Williams.

    Favorite gate: Mapgate which precipitated the words of House Gatewatch “Always Support the Bottom.”

    Favorite post: Dance is done!
    Favorite poster: purplejilly.

    Least favorite poster: The Smiling Knight.
    “The Smiling Night was a madman, cruelty and chivalry all jumbled up together, but he did not know the meaning of fear.”
    – ASOS: JAIME VIII

  80. Thomas Chainsaw Ledbetter
    Posted June 27, 2011 at 5:13 pm | Permalink

    whats everybody got against the sex scenes? the books r filled with’m

  81. HandmaidenofDany
    Posted June 27, 2011 at 5:15 pm | Permalink

    I pretty much loved the show, the acting, the cast choices, writing, costumes, scenery, props, all of it, and I loved the sex!

    Just need a tad more of the violence and its is there!

  82. HandmaidenofDany
    Posted June 27, 2011 at 5:21 pm | Permalink

    I am also re-watching the entire season next weekend with recipes from innatthecrossroads.com Bring on Bean, beer, boobs and Hodor’s “hodor”! YAYA!

  83. Brad Villane
    Posted June 27, 2011 at 5:21 pm | Permalink

    I think it might be a little unfair to judge the series based on its lack of “epicness” or direwolves or battles.

    Currently, television is the only place that George’s story can be told without stripping the story down to something that it’s not. Unfortunately, TV just doesn’t have the budget that Transformers 3 has. So, I think to judge the series fairly you really have to look at it as more than just what you pictured vs. what you got. This show is made in the real world, where due to budget, time, and differences in medium, you won’t always get it just the way you wanted.

    Anytime you have a direwolf, it’s going to take way longer to shoot. Animals are notoriously hard to work with. Having wolves gallop alongside horses is problematic for both animals…and CGI is espensive!

    Sure the tourney of the hand was 10xs as huge in my mind, but to do that in the show, it would mean other FX shots getting cut.

    Sadly, the budgetary constraints of television are going to be a factor for the entire series. Even though we’re getting the Battle of the Blackwater, don’t get too hyped for it to be “Lord of the Rings” amazing.

    So, I think we have to judge these aspects with the question, did they make judicious use of what they had? I would say that’s a resounding yes for season 1.

    Would you rather have a 3 hour effects-bursting movie with a huge tournament, crazy direwolves, and 70% of the story missing? Or a 10 hour TV show with some things scaled back, but 95% of all the great character moments that make the book so great.

    The show is probably never going to be as good as the books, but what the show is as good as is just about anything else on TV (cept maybe Breaking Bad) and that’s something to be really happy about.

  84. Hodor Son of Hodor
    Posted June 27, 2011 at 5:22 pm | Permalink

    I hope the writers are paying attention to this thread, as there is some very good constructive criticism within it (apart from complaints like “the direwolves barked!”)

    My problem is with the amount of sex in the show. It feels cheap and tawdry. Many critics have begun comparing this show to The Wire, which is awesome, so the writers should take a hint or two from that show. The sex scenes in that show did not feel like some cheap T&A session, nor were they in every single episode. Game of Thrones, on the other hand, feels like its trying to mimic Spartacus. It would be wise not to do this, as comparing Game of Thrones to Spartacus is, to use an analogy, comparing a really good thing to a really crappy thing.

    Despite this criticism, I think the creators are doing a fantastic job. It is known.

  85. Fabian Schneider
    Posted June 27, 2011 at 5:28 pm | Permalink

    I absolutely disagree on the lack of battles part. I have always wondered why people made wargames based on A Song of Ice and Fire, a series which excessively downplays the importance of battles to the point of deconstruction. It is the point of the series, I would argue, that battles are neither epic nor heroic, but a dirty and glamourless matter; that there is no story to tell about a battle other than the effects its outcome may have.
    Judging from the feedback, I am surprised that many viewers have actually understood this. Even more surprisingly, though, the outrage over a “lack of battles” seems to come from the GRRM fandom itself, which should be well aware that ASoIaF is not about the battles.

  86. Peeter Talvistu
    Posted June 27, 2011 at 5:28 pm | Permalink

    Mostly agree, some nit-picks here or there, but mostly an amazing adaptation and, what’s more important, an engaging show! I do agree with WiC’s problem with the lack of scale – but there is an upside. If you’ve read the casting call that went out to Extras NI today, you might have noticed that they said they will require thousands of extras. I’m pretty sure that wasn’t the wording used for the call last year, which probably means that they really do want to scale things up this time around.

  87. Astalnar
    Posted June 27, 2011 at 5:29 pm | Permalink

    Not to sound like a puritan, but all those Ros scenes could be easily replaced by scenes with Loras, Renly, Dondarion and Sandor. This way, it came around as Loras beeing pretty litle schemer. Renly as someone who is easily manipulated. Viewers know nothing about Lightning Lord but his name. And about Sandor we only know his sad story and his loyalty.

    Other thing that realy came weak, was Hand’s tourney. I am not complaining over the fact that we saw only 2 jousts. My problem is that Renly did not participate and that crowd seemed just a local villagers and not the inhabitants of the biggest city in all of Westeros.
    More crowd at tourney and Renly and Sandor jousting would make me happy.
    Because that green armor with golden antlers would be something to see. And it would show Renly’s skill as a warrior.

  88. Lanister accountant
    Posted June 27, 2011 at 5:30 pm | Permalink

    Well what can be said of AGOT that hasn’t already been done to death? What superlative can I bestow? What unforseen nitpick can I conjure?

    What I liked:
    Acting: Up front, the acting convinced me to stay with the story even during the expositionary heavy scenes. Here are my faves:

    Peter Dinkelage as Tyrion Lannister. Despite being more handsome than his literary counterpart, Dinkelage certainly nails, if not all but disappears into the imp’s role in both his demeanor and even his annunciation. Bravo.

    honorable mention: Maisie Williams as Arya. She is for lack of a better word, perfect. She’s laid the groundwork to make us really root for her and readers know what tragedy is to befall her and her family, that she will watch as she loses nearly everything, despite starting already destitute. I have full confidence she can carry the role.

    What I didn’t like:

    Renly and Loras are truly weakened. The added scenes in this series have been nothing short of awesome, but these two are the exception. They really do need to come off stronger and there seemed to be too much attention paid to their sexual persuasion when it was Martin’s subtlety in the books that really lent the interest to those characters.

    Production value: It was showing in those broader shots wasn’t it? Hopefully HBO has learned they cannot go the route of Rome and actually invest if they truly want to the series justice. Here’s hoping we get the necesssary finding for a broad interpretation of the Battle of Blackwater.

  89. sandbun
    Posted June 27, 2011 at 5:31 pm | Permalink

    My 2 cents
    5 biggest disappointments (1-4 can be directly attributed to time/money, I think the season could’ve easily used another 2 episodes and obviously we’d all like to see more money spent)
    1) Lack of direwolves. We can certainly point to specific scenes, but just basically their presence wasn’t there as much as it could’ve been. Even just including Grey Wind in the scene where Robb rides back after WW would’ve helped a lot.
    2) Jon’s portrayal. I think he more than anyone else got the short end of the stick. While I didn’t have a problem with the aging and it probably helped give us a better show production-wise (getting Maisie Williams alone made it worthwhile) I thought Jon’s character was hurt the most by it. His decision to take that black means a lot more at 15 then at 18. His emo/bully attitude when first getting there, then his whining about being a steward, and then his trying to leave all fit a 15 year old still maturing more than an 18 year old. The scene where he realized he should train instead of beat the other brothers would’ve been nice if they could’ve done that more faithfully, but was ok for shorthand, but losing the scene where he talks with Aemon about Sam really hurt his character development I think. While it’s never said in the books, I always thought it was that scene that explained why he became the Lord Commander’s Steward instead of a Ranger – he proved he not only could train men but could see their uses. He was hurt as much as anyone by the lack of direwolve presence. The only complaint I would lay on the actor himself would be I never felt the chemistry between him and Sam; their interactions and jokes (“Well, you can’t get any worse! Haha!”) seemed more forced then true friendly banter (yes I know that joke was in the book, it just didn’t seem to work in the scene).
    3) Bran’s dreams. It worked for shorthand for those who read the books, but I think those that didn’t really didn’t get to see the importance of the 3-eyed crow or the dreams in general. Probably easy enough to fix in season 2, but was a miss in season 1, and one of the few areas I thought non-readers really got left out.
    4) No battles. Personally I would’ve preferred to see Tyrion’s instead of the WW, but just one big one would’ve been nice
    5) Episode 10. I thought this episode was a miss. After all season of having episodes that just felt packed with stuff, this one seemed to be stretching to make it the full hour. So much stuff in it would’ve never had time to be shown in the other episodes. And in fact they even did have to steal stuff from book two to fill the hour. Jon’s scene where he stops and is eating (and off his horse) made much more sense then him turning around after Sam fell. Worse of all was that they blew the scene with Jon and Mormont. In the book that scene felt about 80% about the white walkers and 20% Jon giving up on helping his family. It really hit home that everything else was, appropriately enough, just a game. It might be interesting an all, but in comparison to the Wall, which will determine whether mankind itself will survive on Westeros, it doesn’t even begin to compare. The words were all right, but by ending showing Jon reluctantly going through the gate it made it more about his decision to stay, and by making that the focus it felt like they made it just his war to fight, just like the Robb has his. They are equivalent, and that’s just not true. The dragons themselves were awesome, but the pyre was disappointing, as was the morning after aspect. Also when Dany stood up the one dragon just clung to her groin. Certain the dragon made sense sitting there when she was sitting, but when she was standing up? Makes sense if you’re trying to reduce the nudity, but just made me go OUCH!

    Favorite parts
    1) Big scenes were really well done for the most part, especially Ned’s death was magnificent. But also Bran’s fall, the golden crown, etc. We all know the scenes.
    2) Any scene with Syrio was just great fun. Still holding out hope for him. For that matter pretty much the same with Arya or Bronn (not that others weren’t great, but these were the most consistently grin-on-your-face-the-whole-time fun to watch IMO).
    3) Could nitpick some, but the actors in general did an amazing job. Really brought the characters to life, and I can’t wait to see them in future projects.
    4) As faithful as an adaptation as could’ve been expected, and a lot more so then I did.
    5) Knowing that there’s a least 1 and hopefully many more seasons to come!

  90. dizzy_34
    Posted June 27, 2011 at 5:36 pm | Permalink

    OT – Rumors concerning Stannis and Edmure?(pure speculation on my part of Edmure) Christopher Eccleston and Tony Curran. This is the first smoke I’ve heard of this.

  91. Kingthlayer
    Posted June 27, 2011 at 5:43 pm | Permalink

    Great season, great TV. Everything was great and only a few items irked me. Besides the above (and sorry if someone mentioned this specifically already I just scanned the posts) the one scene I thought that Grey Wind was terribly lacking was the scene where Bran is attacked by wildlings. The scene in the book where Robb is moments away from killing his direwolf to save his brother was breathtaking. Wish it was that powerful in the show and I was surprised there wasn’t more discussion about it when that episode aired.

    I’ll add that one of the best things about the show has been this community, for all the good, bad and ugly. :)

  92. GaR
    Posted June 27, 2011 at 5:49 pm | Permalink

    This show reminds me of Mass Effect 2.

    That game had all sorts of issues. There were all manner of things that annoyed me (largely because I was so invested in the franchise), but it was still the best thing I played in 2010.

    Likewise Game of Thrones. There are plenty of thigns I’d do differently, but it was still one the best seasons of television I’ve ever seen.

    The acting was the highlight for me. Almost the entire cast was amazing. Peter Vaughn didn’t impress me straight away, but his monologue about his family was incredible. Sophie Turner is excellent as Sansa. Harry Lloyd was the best of an excellent cast. Sean Bean more than lived up to the hype, and Jason Momoa was super impressive late in the season. Dar Salim was consistently awesome too, as were a dozen others I could name. Damn, I love this fucking cast.

  93. Scott
    Posted June 27, 2011 at 5:52 pm | Permalink

    Agree with Alan……..the way I look at success was the reactions of my friends and family who have not read the books……they were into the show for the 1st 2 eps, then they thought ep 3 & 4 were weak….then when ep 5 kicked in they were hooked……….after each episode they would text me, call me and ask me questions…….
    and their reactions after Ned was executed were priceless……
    I think that was the intention of of Dan & Dave’s adaptation….there is no possible way to adapt the books perfectly…..
    more than a few books or stories have been changed so drastically that you can’t even recognize the story…but not this one….
    sure I would’ve like to see more direwolves ……..but I loved every minute of it regardless……
    seeing my favorite story brought to any screen was good enough for me and I think they out kicked their coverage this season……….

    That being said they better nail the casting for: “the Red Viper in Season 3″ or I’m gonna be mad….LOL

  94. Mcguffin1899
    Posted June 27, 2011 at 5:53 pm | Permalink

    I haven’t read SoS for awhile now but that Season 1 death that is suppose to happen in S3, just a question, when does Mago the Dothraki suppose to die?

  95. Ed
    Posted June 27, 2011 at 5:56 pm | Permalink

    Wow – I had never considered this once, but you’re absolutely right! Great, great, point. There should have been so much more to this scene.

    DibuK:

    - The scene where the Starks find the pups: incredibly dull and devoid of emotion, rhythm, pace and inspiration.

  96. Ed
    Posted June 27, 2011 at 6:00 pm | Permalink

    david ahern:
    Mongerel,

    i thinkthey are setting up jon snow being ned and cersei”s son. anyone else think cersei is jons mother?

    Nah, not so much.

  97. Alan
    Posted June 27, 2011 at 6:00 pm | Permalink

    Mcguffin1899:
    I haven’t read SoS for awhile now but that Season 1 death that is suppose to happen in S3, just a question, when does Mago the Dothraki suppose to die?

    The death in question was not necessarily a death — it was Marillion losing his tongue.

  98. coltaine777
    Posted June 27, 2011 at 6:01 pm | Permalink

    GaR:
    This show reminds me of Mass Effect 2.

    That game had all sorts of issues.There were all manner of things that annoyed me (largely because I was so invested in the franchise), but it was still the best thing I played in 2010.

    Likewise Game of Thrones.There are plenty of thigns I’d do differently, but it was still one the best seasons of television I’ve ever seen.

    The acting was the highlight for me.Almost the entire cast was amazing.Peter Vaughn didn’t impress me straight away, but his monologue about his family was incredible.Sophie Turner is excellent as Sansa.Harry Lloyd was the best of an excellent cast.Sean Bean more than lived up to the hype, and Jason Momoa was super impressive late in the season.Dar Salim was consistently awesome too, as were a dozen others I could name.Damn, I love this fucking cast.

    Other than the lack of battles and the scale of the tourney and Dany’ wedding scene ,I am very happy with the show adaptation…

    Gar…I was very disappointed with Mass Effect 2…especially planet exploration…but even saying that, it’s not close to my disappointment with Dragon Age 2…what a snoooooze fest that game is…

  99. maxlongstreet
    Posted June 27, 2011 at 6:01 pm | Permalink

    Pros:

    1) Acting – NCW getting Jamie perfect was the biggest surprise for me
    2) Sets/production
    3) Nailing the big moments
    4) Tone – producers ‘get’ the series

    Cons:

    1) Sexposition. Nuff said.
    2) Littlefinger – as someone else said, made too obvious on screen. Needs to be more charming and less creepy.
    3) Renly and Loras. As was said previously

    Blargh:

    Renly and Loras should not be weak little pansies. They should be strong warrior types. Making them into weak little pansies actually comes off, in my view, as a more regressive interpretation of their gay relationship (and of gays in general). Renly should NOT flinch at the sight of blood.

    4) Scenes sometimes need to breathe more, rather than fill every moment with talkiness.

    Didn’t mind the lack of battles so much, though I’d love anything we can get!

    Overall, the pros I cited were more important than the cons, so I give it 8/10.

  100. userj
    Posted June 27, 2011 at 6:03 pm | Permalink

    *sigh* I am doing nothing but refreshing wic.net waiting for Stannis or Brienne to be cast. -.- CMON HBO!

  101. Winter Is Coming
    Posted June 27, 2011 at 6:11 pm | Permalink

    dizzy_34:
    OT – Rumors concerning Stannis and Edmure?(pure speculation on my part of Edmure) Christopher Eccleston and Tony Curran. This is the first smoke I’ve heard of this.

    The Tony Curran rumor is from May, which we reported on here. The Eccleston rumor seems to just be based on fan speculation. I would take that one with a big grain of salt…

  102. Andy
    Posted June 27, 2011 at 6:13 pm | Permalink

    my sleeper for best performance has got to be Iain Glen as Jorah Mormont. Not my favorite character in the books, and I wasn’t sure about him early on in the series. Then somewhere around episode 8 I realized Iain Glen was doing a brilliant job. Love the dynamic between him and Dany.

    I think the best scene in season 1 was Syrio’s last (?) stand

  103. David Scotton
    Posted June 27, 2011 at 6:21 pm | Permalink

    Kate:
    I agree with most of the post, except for the praise of the birth of the dragons. I didn’t like the scene. Didn’t work for me. I wanted to see Dany rising amidst the fire, or at least appearing from among the ashes. The pyre was ridicously tiny, and it didn’t make sense that people had gone to sleep with Dany “burning” a few meters apart.

    Yeah, that cut from night to morning really bugged me too.

  104. David C
    Posted June 27, 2011 at 6:22 pm | Permalink

    All the sexposition really got in the way of the show. the littlefinger scene didn’t reveal any new information (He had already said most of that stuff in his talks with Ned). Leaving “Promise me, Ned” and the Tower of Joy scene out was blasphemy. I can’t believe they cut it.

  105. Ed
    Posted June 27, 2011 at 6:35 pm | Permalink

    5ozGorilla:
    Ed,

    For me at least you just described the first 7 episodes and half of the 10th episode.

    That’s really harsh, I can’t agree with that at all. Apparently neither can the reviewers as it has garnered terrific reviews.

  106. Lex
    Posted June 27, 2011 at 6:38 pm | Permalink

    It’s been a long journey! I first heard mention of a possible mini-series adaptation 5 years ago, from the mouth of GRRM himself when he did a book signing in Vancouver.

    Overall I loved Season 1. I might not 100% perfect as an adaptation, but definitely at least 90% and that’s better than I expected. The casting, the acting, the costumes, the makeup, the music, the sets, the fights… all were of the highest quality. I also think D&D did a very impressive job of transferring such an ambitious story to the small screen.

    I think the episodes got better each week, so I guess my favourite Episode is 9 or 10… but they were all fantastic, and everything after Episode 4 was just phenomenal.

    Top 10 Scenes:
    -Ned’s execution
    -Dany’s dragons
    -Viserys’ crowning
    -Bronn vs. Ser Vardis
    -Arya’s sword lessons
    -Finding the direwolf pups / execution of Will
    -Tyrion’s arrest by Catelyn
    -Tyrion’s “confession”
    -The Mountain (killing his horse, fighting the Hound)
    -Everything at The Wall (Jon’s training, the oath, Aemon’s revelation, etc.)

    Top 10 Lines of Dialogue:
    -”Your meat… is bloody tough!” (Greatjon Umber)
    -”Shagga likes axes.” (Tyrion)
    -”I’ll stand for the dwarf.” (Bronn)
    -”You wouldn’t know him.” (Bronn)
    -”Bow before your king, bow you shits!” (King Robert)
    -”Wear it in silence, or I’ll honour you again.” (King Robert)
    -”Where’s the Imp?” (Arya)
    -”You’re better than no one!” (Benjen Stark)
    -”The man who passes the sentence should swing the sword” (Eddard Stark)
    -”Mommy, I want to make the bad man fly.” (Robin Arryn)
    -”Here, Shaggydog.” (Rickon Stark)

    Best Fight:
    -Bronn vs. Vardis Egan
    (runners up: Drogo, Jorah/Qotho, Ned/Jaime, Syrio/Lannisters)

    Best Sex Scene:
    -Dany and Drogo, with Dany on top. Smoking hot.

    (P.S. The fact that it was SO hard to choose Top 10 moments just goes to show what an amazing season this was)

  107. Ed
    Posted June 27, 2011 at 6:44 pm | Permalink

    Brad Villane:

    Anytime you have a direwolf, it’s going to take way longer to shoot. Animals are notoriously hard to work with. Having wolves gallop alongside horses is problematic for both animals…and CGI is expensive!

    Whatever, no ones arguing about the reasons. Doesn’t really matter what the reasons are, the bottom line is they were missed. (Although, frankly, when they showed Robb galloping out of the woods at a distance, a CGI Direwolf would have worked just fine there.)

    But it’s water under the bridge, the series still rocked.

  108. Khal Nic
    Posted June 27, 2011 at 6:48 pm | Permalink

    I will also add that I thought Tyrion’s capture was perfect and made me smile as much as the book did (almost!). Slight disappointment with the Ned/Arya bedroom scene – so much more poignant in the book ( the whole Lyanna comparison), although the acting was always good. I think Isaac Hempstead-Wright is a stand out too. Captures Bran perfectly. If you’re talking about actors capturing the characters that I imagined from the books, I would say him, Lino Facioli, Julian Glover, Conleth Hill, Charles Dance, Finn Jones and Owen Teale also spring to mind. I loved many others too, but those were the ones that most matched my expectations of the characters.

    And I’d like to make an additional special mention for Isaac Hempstead-Wright for capturing Bran far better than anyone had a right to expect! I always had a strong connection with Bran as a character probably more than any other, and the series would have been far poorer, for me, if they had got the casting wrong. But you sir did an amazing job! Hope you get a bit more screen time next season because you deserve it (if you’re reading this HBO?)!

  109. Becky Wilson
    Posted June 27, 2011 at 6:52 pm | Permalink

    I haven’t read through comments either.

    * Top Scene: Execution scene. So far beyond anything I could have hoped for.
    * Top Chemistry: Maise and Miltos. Everything I loved about Arya and Syrio only seemed better in their hands.
    * Favorite Consistent players: Tyrion and Catelyn. Catelyn is especially important to note, because I -hate- her in the books and find her annoying. Nothing. Nothing I hated came through in Michelle’s portrayal and I find myself really liking her. Peter Dinklege is a no brainer for this, but he damned well should be mentioned.

    But, I think the things I liked MOST about this series? Harry Lloyd and Jack Gleeson. Holy hell. I hate Viserys and Joffery even more than I did while reading, and that is a testament to these two fine actors. They will never get the recognition they deserve, bringing these wicked insane villians to life, without making them campy. Jack stole the show for me in the last two episodes. Yes, I love Sean Bean and he did Ned’s last moments incredibly well, but Joffrey… amazing.

    I could mention everyone else in this show. SERIOUS girl crush on Emilia Clarke. I -loved- Qotho and Rakharo. Jason Momoa did a spectacular job. Ian Glen, another needs more recognition than he’ll get. Everyone at the Wall? FABULOUS. Genius casting for Jeor Mormont. Genius. I can go on and on and take 12 hours worth of praise for this show.

    Sure, some of the (s)exposition got to be a little much. I REALLY think they underused Rory McCann, and I hope he shines in season 2. The pacing problems early in the season are a freshman show thing, and I think they got the feel for it now. I don’t mind the lack of direwolves. Yes, I love them from the books, but I’m not watching for the wolves, I’m watching for the characters. Sure, I’d like more battles and grander venues, but again, I’m focused on the characters rather than the action. I’d rather have no battles and them spend the money on talent. (And DRAGONS!) (And I hope that doesn’t sound like I’m disparaging people who are upset about that stuff. That’s totally valid and I can understand it.)

    Friends of mine who never touched the books are totally addicted to this show. That is the best praise I can give it.

  110. Nick Larter
    Posted June 27, 2011 at 7:13 pm | Permalink

    The season was incredibly good! I agree with all the points in the main recap and the direwolf comments – I don’t see that it would have been that hard to get some stock footage of Inuits bounding through forest or over dales or lying in courtyards which could have just been used to remind us that they were around a bit more often.
    One thing that I would have loved to have seen done better was the indication of the passage of time and/or distance. It’s 1000 leagues to the Wall from King’s Landing, so Yoren tells us in episode 10. That’s what – 3000 miles? So Winterfell must be at least 2000, or significantly further than the distance from the south of England to the north of Scotland. This was never well conveyed – not during the journey down the Kingsroad in Episode 2, nor with Catelyn’s journey and especially with Ros and her jet propelled turnip cart.

  111. Jaycel Adkins
    Posted June 27, 2011 at 7:13 pm | Permalink

    Alan,

    I have to agree with you up to a point. I have pretty much taken it on faith that the nature of posting comments on threads is inherently about nitpicking or pointing out flaws, etc.

    But I found the most of what has past for ‘nitpicking’ on this thread has been pretty on point and does not really fall into the level of what I have heard and scratched my head about in frustration.

    I don’t think people are missing the forest for the trees with what they are saying.

    I don’t know, maybe I’m so used to hearing about Robert’s hair, San/San, direwolves, ‘lack of rape,’ etc. that I just glaze over that stuff on here.

    But liked WiC’s points about what didn’t go right with the season.

    As for the pro and con lists…I mean…c’mon…it’s a thread posting….helps people organize their thoughts and present them clearly in the format they have to work with.

    Huge blocks of prose in a thread start to bleed together into a haze…at least for me after a while…and we are talking about dozens and probably soon to be hundreds of posts.

    But I feel what you are saying man….beautiful season, particularly the back 5 episodes and just to needle you a bit:

    Best First Seasons of TV I have seen:

    1. Deadwood
    2. Sopranos
    3. The Wire
    4. Game of Thrones
    5. LOST

  112. Ryan E
    Posted June 27, 2011 at 7:21 pm | Permalink

    It was a great first season, better than I expected… and I had huge expectations! Great acting all around.

    Favorite Episode: #8. Other favorites were 1-7, and 9-10. (Ok, to be fair 3 and 4 were probably the weakest, but I really enjoyed them all).

    There is probably not anymore to say about all of the great acting and scenes, so I’ll just bring up a couple random things:

    Biggest acting surprise: Wow, Ian Glen was awesome as Jorah Mormont, I liked him way better than in the book. Glen should have played Obi-wani-Kinobi in the Star Wars Prequels a few years back.

    All my nitpicks were probably do to budget or filming time, and they are the same as most, so no reason to nitpick them. I was totally fine with the sexposition, and I feel the Theon scenes (though sometimes they felt a little out of place) were key and its good they did them, so viewers know his character more before he takes a bigger role next season.

    The show really got going at Episode 5 and then never let up.

  113. KG
    Posted June 27, 2011 at 7:25 pm | Permalink

    Lex,

    Meh, best sex scene was the tub. Harry Lloyd definitely had that Raistlin thing going.

  114. Jaycel Adkins
    Posted June 27, 2011 at 7:34 pm | Permalink

    KG,

    Raistlin…wow….talk about a shout out…nice.

  115. Dolorous Dave
    Posted June 27, 2011 at 7:36 pm | Permalink

    Check this out:
    http://www.extrasni.com/news/game-of-thrones-second-season-extras-casting

    They are “casting for thousands” of extras at the moment…. looks like we might see some big battle scenes after all!

  116. andrea
    Posted June 27, 2011 at 7:59 pm | Permalink

    Bro,

    I agree with you and Lisa about Kit Harrington and Jon, I think he did a great job with a very complex character, but I also think that the director failed to direct the actor or maybe the character was poorly adapted to the screen (but also recognize it is very very difficult character to adapt).
    And, I apologize for my poor english. I hope you have understood something. Is there anyone who speak spanish?

  117. jude
    Posted June 27, 2011 at 7:59 pm | Permalink

    I pretty much agree with everything that you said. Good observations overall. The series was amazing in so many ways, though I did have a few problems with it.

    Sexposition – I was very glad that they had Theon discuss his situation in that scene, as up until that point, it was not made clear exactly who he was. Of course, his expository scene with Tyrion was much better. I am also a very big hater of the Littlefinger scene, and mostly because it wasn’t even a bad monologue. It went on a bit too long, and we simply didn’t *need* to see/hear the whores while he was speaking…it was distracting, and not in a good way. It felt cheap. I think at this point, the writers MUST know how ridiculous Roz’s scenes are getting…every time we see her on screen, we know she’s about to get plowed while someone delivers a monologue. They need to either get rid of her, or find some other way. Aren’t there more whores in Winterfell/King’s Landing? lol

    Character-wise, there was a distinct lack of Sansa’s starry-eyed impression of knights and of King’s Landing. The misconception of knights as fairy-tale saviours, and how certain un-knightly characters subvert that, is a very important thematic element in the series that I feel they have completely glossed over. Rory McCann for instance was underused as an actor, and as a character. It makes no sense to just have him be this scary brute who stands in the background and I hope he gets more to do.

    Charles Dance – I for one was incredibly impressed with both his performance and how the character was written. I must have watched that first scene between him and Jaime 10 times. Also, everyone at the Wall was incredible. Jeor Mormont, Alliser Thorne, all the recruits, just incredible. And John Bradley as Sam? Wow, he has made me love a character that I was often annoyed with in the books.

    I also really didn’t mind the lack of battles, as I tend to get a bit bored during those in any case, if they drag on for too long. But, I do expect the Blackwater battle to be great, especially the wildfire. Have you seen the really short season 2 promo? It has green fire mixed in with the red, which I thought was a cool hint.

  118. Stacia
    Posted June 27, 2011 at 8:09 pm | Permalink

    Things I was impress with:

    Casting – The casting was spot-on, even in cases when it didn’t seem that way at first. Major kudos for the casting of the kid actors, especially Maisie and Jack.

    Acting – Expectations were high with the cast including the likes of Sean Bean, but everyone was stellar, especially the kids.

    Costumes – The look and feel of the costumes really worked. It wasn’t exactly one period or from a certain geographic area, but formed it’s own world and everything seemed actually functional.

    Scripting – How the book was converted into a script was fantastic. Changes made (like Ned seeing Arya) blended in seamlessly and seemed like they should have been there from the beginning and added to the story.

    Not so great things:

    The aging up of the kids worked, except for Sansa. In the book, she comes off as a girl still believing in fairy tales. Since Sophie is so tall, it made Sansa even older and she came off like an annoying teen obsessed with Justin Bieber rather than a rather sheltered, naive preteen who’s reacting to life not being what she expected.

    Sexposition/Sex scenes – it was just over the top and to the point of insulting the audience. If it adds to the story, then it’s fine, but much of it seems added in to meet some HBO requirement of how much nudity and sex needed to be in each episode and added nothing.

    Violence against animals – did we really need so much?

    Tying the story all together in the beginning – I had several non-book readers tell me they stopped watching because they didn’t get who all the characters were and how everyone fit together, especially Dany and Viserys. One also mentioned couldn’t tell the difference between the actors that played Jon, Robb and Theon.

    I’m not sure how they could have improved this without more exposition, but more of the backstory about how Robert became king needed to be explained in the first episode.

    Early marketing – The early trailers made the show seem like a supernatural thriller. I know people who were or weren’t interested in the show based on this assumption.

  119. jude
    Posted June 27, 2011 at 8:11 pm | Permalink

    Mcguffin1899,

    The season 1 death that was supposed to happen in book 3 was Septa Mordane, wasn’t it?

  120. Knurk
    Posted June 27, 2011 at 8:17 pm | Permalink

    jude,

    no, it was Marillion. So George screwed up in both ways: didn’t die in the show, didn’t die in book 3. Septa mordane dies in book 1 too.

  121. Mormegil
    Posted June 27, 2011 at 8:17 pm | Permalink

    jude: does Mago the Dothraki suppose to die?
    Mcguffin1899

    No it was Marillion (even though he didn’t die and doesn’t die in book 3 as was stated).

    Septa Mordane died at the exact same point in the book and Joff shows her head to Sansa just as he did in the show.

  122. Tee
    Posted June 27, 2011 at 8:18 pm | Permalink

    I loved:

    -almost everything
    - the music
    - the actors
    - the way they can translate the poignant moments to screen
    - dothraki language
    - I LOVED Theon, whereas I wasn’t a fan in the books

    I didn’t like:
    - the loud Littlefinger sexposition
    - ROZ
    - Cersei’s constipated face used too often

    But all in all, the goods outweigh the bads. I hope they keep it up in the 2nd season, because I know the 2nd season isn’t as thrilling storywise as the 1st one, maybe they can add some additional scenes from the future books and stuff. :)

  123. jude
    Posted June 27, 2011 at 8:18 pm | Permalink

    David C,

    Yeah, I was wondering about this, too. Since Ned is gone, how are viewers ever going to learn about the details?? D & D have already said that they didn’t shoot any flashback scenes with Sean Bean.

  124. jude
    Posted June 27, 2011 at 8:23 pm | Permalink

    Mormegil,

    do we know for sure that that was Marillion? In the book, he has a nameless singer’s tongue cut out doesn’t he?

  125. smilingsoprano
    Posted June 27, 2011 at 8:54 pm | Permalink

    Wow, reading over these comments has really reinforced just how subjective any art form is; several people put some of my favorite scenes or characters on their “worst of” lists, which really surprised me.

    As someone who had only read the first book going into the season (and I didn’t start the second until just before it finished), I think there’s some misplaced criticism about “underuse” of characters who were actually just as off-screen in the book as well. For example, Beric Dondarrion was all but absent. Had a friend who had read further not pointed him out to me, I would never have noticed him in the text. Similarly, characters like the Hound may be present on the page (and this is an example where they actually did cut down his part a bit), but their character-development balls didn’t really start rolling until later.

    The early episodes definitely did suffer from pacing problems, but considering how that smoothed out near the end of the season, I expect they’ll have gotten the hang of it by season 2. They have also now built a lot of sets, which frees up at least some of the budget for Blackwater Bay.

    I have to say, one of the things I boggle at the most is all the hate for Renly and Loras. Reading, I found Renly entirely forgettable, even unsympathetic. On screen, I was won over completely, and he quickly made my “favorite characters” list. I would argue that Renly is actually more of a gay stereotype in the books: he’s loud, flamboyant, and obsessed with fashion. In the show, he has an understated intelligence and a vulnerability, backed by Loras’ steel, that drew me in immediately. I saw a man whose sexuality is an open secret, and who as a result has taken years of accusations, suspicion, and mockery. It makes sense that he wouldn’t have a camp, devil-may-care persona, and instead be a bit quiet and repressed. Moreover, even though Renly does flinch at blood, Loras emphatically does not, and I thought Finn Jones perfectly captured his fire and youthful arrogance and skill.

    The acting as a whole was superb, blowing me away at every opportunity. That’s what I really watch a show for, even beyond special effects and battles and political intricacy: real, believable characters, acted in a heartfelt and understated manner. And nearly every person in the cast did that, consistently, which absolutely rocked my world.

    What a fabulous first season. Here’s to many more!

  126. KG
    Posted June 27, 2011 at 8:58 pm | Permalink

    Jaycel Adkins,

    /Curtsey Thank you, thank you …

  127. Knurk
    Posted June 27, 2011 at 8:58 pm | Permalink

    jude,

    in the book yes, in the show it’s definately Marillion. Probably the most blatant deviation by D&D of the whole season, I’m wondering why they didn’t hire another singer for that role (how cool would it have been if they had hired Bono or Chris Martin for that scene).

  128. Corlan
    Posted June 27, 2011 at 9:05 pm | Permalink

    A couple of things off topic:
    There’s an online rumour reported eveywhere of the awesome Christopher Eccleston (Stannis?) & Tony Curran joining the cast for season 2.
    And it just hit the release sites some new UK comedy series called Sirens starring Richard Madden. Is it any good? I’ll probably take a look as it would help with the Robb withdrawal…

  129. Jaycel Adkins
    Posted June 27, 2011 at 9:06 pm | Permalink

    jude,

    Try watching the scene again with close captioning on, I heard that the text says it’s him.

  130. Jaycel Adkins
    Posted June 27, 2011 at 9:07 pm | Permalink

    Corlan,

    Winter Is Coming: The Tony Curran rumor is from May, which we reported on here. The Eccleston rumor seems to just be based on fan speculation. I would take that one with a big grain of salt…

  131. Corlan
    Posted June 27, 2011 at 9:12 pm | Permalink

    Jaycel Adkins,

    Thanks Jaycel, i hadn’t seen either of those post/answers

  132. Mormegil
    Posted June 27, 2011 at 9:18 pm | Permalink

    jude: Mormegil, do we know for sure that that was Marillion? In the book, he has a nameless singer’s tongue cut out doesn’t he?

    Well it was the actor who was cast as Marillion so unless he’s playing the role of Twins (both Singers) and Marillion is still at the Vale and it was his twin Silrillion who had his tongue ripped out then yes it was Marillion.

    Of course in the Book it is his fingers (and eyes) rather than his tongue that Marillion supposedly loses.

    Tough job being a Singer in Westeros.

  133. Jaycel Adkins
    Posted June 27, 2011 at 9:25 pm | Permalink

    Corlan,

    No worries. I tried to find out about the Richard Madden thing, but is Stateside, so no clue.

  134. dizzy_34
    Posted June 27, 2011 at 9:35 pm | Permalink

    Winter Is Coming,

    Dang, I missed that story, just ignore me then. :)

  135. Theano
    Posted June 27, 2011 at 9:58 pm | Permalink

    I wish some of the scale could have been bigger, like at the joust. The Dothraki didn’t bother me as much since they were all strung out in a line that went on forever.

    The sexposition (love that word!) was a little overdone; but I was reading the scene between Theon and the captain’s daughter on the ship that was bringing him home in ACoK, and started laughing. Sexposition right there in the book!

    I think what I most loved were that the complaints were about such incredibly minor stuff. They could have changed so much of the plot around–they could have kept Ned alive and imprisoned, or sent him to Daenerys instead of having Barristan show up as Arstan Whitebeard; they could have made it some sort of modern drama like the version of Hamlet with Ethan Hawke (which I loved, but it would have ruined GoT!).

    Even some of the small moments that were nods to the fans, like Arya’s listing of the people she hated when Ned was talking to her. I expected her to end it with “Valar morghulis!” We got folks who love the books in charge of the series, and we’re incredibly lucky.

    Favorite moment: When Syrio talked about the God of Death. Completely floored me. (I also loved Arya’s “WTF?” expression when Syrio said there was only one god. Priceless!) And then when he died (or did he???) off screen. And then the cloaked prisoner–Jaqen H’ghar, but we don’t see his face! Little things like that show how much attention is being paid to the story, and the theories, and the characters that the fans love.

    Favorite moment #2: Drogo’s speech. So quiet in the book, so amazing in the show.

    Favorite character: Too many to count. I’ll go with Jorah Mormont, simply because I never really liked him in the book, and I kind of fell in love with him in the show. Was not expecting that! And Maester Aemon, because he looks exactly like my own grandfather.

  136. saluk
    Posted June 27, 2011 at 10:09 pm | Permalink

    The first season was not without its stumbles, but I’m amazed with what was created. Even with the years of speculation behind me, the show managed to be even better than I had hoped. The storylines throughout the first few episodes meandered a bit too much, and I agree that the sex stuff didn’t really work as well as I think they were meant to. Other than that, well, I don’t know what else to say. Acting and sets were near flawless, score was really good (especially main theme), and the added scenes were mostly a treat. The pacing after the first few episodes was perfect, you always wanted the next episode to start immediately, as the hour seemed to speed by. I remember one night I watched Glee and then GoT, and GoT’s 58 minutes felt half as long as Glee’s 45.

    I would have liked more direwolves but don’t think it was a problem per say.

    I would have liked to see more of the battle, but I actually like the way they handled it quite a bit.

    Some of the characters are a bit different from the book, but I didn’t mind any of these changes. With so many characters, I’m amazed at how many they were able to translate and give viewers a feeling for. In only 10 episodes? Casual viewers may not remember everyone’s name, but I think they have a pretty good impression of most of the key side characters at this point, and definitely a good impression of the main ones. Some of the specific side plot lines? May be a bit confusing, but when something is important to know, the show tells you.

    I really appreciate the fact that they DIDN’T use flashbacks. It gives viewers a really hazy view of the past that is very important to the story. Every character has a different perspective of the past, and in GoT this is crucial. It’s not just backstory – how characters see the world and its history is as important as any of their other character traits. Flashbacks would have cheapened this impression. With only a few exceptions, HBO, along with excellent material, and great acting, managed to make story telling, without action, interesting. Some of the most moving sections of the book are basically in monologue, and that translated.

    And most importantly, the emotion is there. You fist pump, cry, and shout in surprise, everywhere you are supposed to. From episode 1 to episode 10, you feel things, and usually very strongly. You care about these characters, their struggles, their fears. It’s easy when nitpicking to lose sight of the fact that even doing this much, making you care, is SO hard. Probably the hardest thing in storytelling is really making you care. The struggle for who is on the iron throne is so banal when you think about it, but HBO made people care.

    I hope they round off the edges in season 2, but as long as we still care about what’s going on, and are able to feel something when we watch, it will be great.

  137. Gormryjk
    Posted June 27, 2011 at 10:16 pm | Permalink

    I picked up the books in early 2009 because I wanted to read some good fantasy, and ASOIAF was supposed to be the best. When I learned the books were also currently being adapted into a TV show my reaction was a bit ‘meh’ because at the time I didn’t really watch TV and had never properly followed any TV show. When thinking ‘fantasy TV show’ all that came to mind was shows like ‘Xena’, so I basically thought ‘ok, I’d better hurry up and read these books before they get ruined by a crappy TV adaptation’. So I started reading the books and of course they were awesome, and then I learned that the network developing the adaptation was the same network that had put out ‘The Sopranos’ and ‘Rome’, which I hadn’t seen but knew were supposed to be pretty good. Now I was intrigued. So I started to watch a bunch of TV shows in order to have something to compare GoT to when it eventually premiered. I watched all the big HBO shows, including Rome, Carnivale, Deadwood, John Adams and The Wire (which I still think is the best show ever made), and I realized that TV shows don’t necessarily have to be like ‘Heroes’ or ‘The Vampire Diaries’ – they don’t have to just repeat the same plot over and over again, relying on cheap narrative tricks and forced cliff-hangers, eventually turning every character into caricatures of themselves and insulting the viewers intelligence. No, they can actually be pretty damn sophisticated and captivating. Much more so than most movies in fact. So now all of a sudden my expectations for GoT were very high, and I started following the production very closely, with this site of course being the primary source of information. And then they started announcing all these great actors being cast, and I thought ‘wow, they’re actually taking this adaptation pretty seriously. It’s seems to be almost as ambitious as Rome – guess it won’t be anything like Legend of The Seeker at all’ and my expectations went even higher. And then HBO started releasing those behind-the-scenes videos and trailers and characters portrait videos and every time the things they showed looked better than anything I had dared hope for. This really was going to be the second best TV show of all time! It was like before the LoTR premiere. It was all I could think of for weeks. By the time of the season premiere my expectations were sky high. And the show still surpassed them. It’s been THAT good.

    Yes, of course I too have minor complaints and nitpicks, but overall I think it’s been a pretty fucking amazing piece of television. Perhaps it’s a little early to say, but I really think it’s going to be up there with shows like ‘The Wire’. Which is pretty damn impressive for a fantasy show. And oh so satisfying for fantasy fans like myself.

    The best:

    - The casting & acting

    If anyone should win an Emmy for the first season of GoT, it should be Nina Gold. Seriously, that woman is a fucking genius (I mean just look at her credits: Rome, John Adams, The Kings Speech, Eastern Promises etc.).

    The most rewarding thing about watching this show was to see all these different, fascinating, complex characters come alive on screen, brought to life by all these brilliant actors who seemingly really ‘get’ their characters and enjoy playing them, and sometimes making them even more awesome than they were on the page (Arya, Drogo, Syrio, Old Bear, to name a few).

    - The ‘big moments’

    Agreeing with WiC – the endings of episode 9 and 10 were every single bit as epic and emotional as I could ever have hoped for. Just fantastic.

    - The ‘small’ character-building moments

    Going back and rewatching the early episodes now that the season has ended, I find myself really enjoying those calmer, quieter scenes of character building that we got especially in ‘ Lord Snow’, just for the great performances. They have this nice sort of quiet-before-the-storm feeling to them. Again, it’s a testimony to the great casting and acting. One of my favorite scenes of the entire season is probably, like many of you, Arya’s first dancing lesson. Everything about it is just pitch perfect. I’ll mentioned the music in that scene though, since I haven’t seen others doing that before. While I’m not a hundred percent happy with Djawadi’s score, the music in that scene sets the atmosphere perfectly.

    - The look and feel

    While I was originally a bit worried when I heard that they were shooting on video instead of the usual 35 mm film, I have to admit that the show ended up looking absolutely fantastic. Yes, you can tell in some shots that it’s video (e.g. from windows being burned out in indoor shots or from the extreme amount of fill light used in some outdoor shots), but the cinematography, costumes, sets and the different location-dependent color grading make up for it many times over and the final result are some very beautiful images to look at. Even though this show probably have about the same production value as, say, ‘The Borgias’, GoT just looks so much better. Very impressive.

    Complaints and nitpicks:

    - Agreeing again with WiC – Lack of Scale.

    - Some important scenes from the book feeling a little or very flat, e.g. the finding of the direwolf pups and Arya’s first kill. It bothers me because it seems to be mainly a matter of directing – it doesn’t have anything to do with budget.

    - Peter Dinklage’s accent – I’m not a native English speaker and even I can tell it sounds fake.

    - The Targaryen wigs – they look just like that. Wigs. Which becomes so much more annoying in a show where everything else in way of costumes and props feels so genuine.

    - Anachronisms – like Sansa in episode 6 behaving like a typical 21th century, western teenage girl, or the infamous ‘fight a man for real’ line.

    But again – overall it’s been highly, deeply impressive. Kudos to everyone involved!

  138. biscuitcat22
    Posted June 27, 2011 at 10:21 pm | Permalink

    HBO did the same thing regarding battles with Rome.

    A great story and build up to a big conflict then cut scene to men getting ready and putting on armor, sharpening swords, discussing plans and then!
    …. cut scene to people talking about the battle that just happened… lame

    Sad to see they are doing the same with GoT.

  139. Critical Geek
    Posted June 27, 2011 at 10:26 pm | Permalink

    After a short copy paste from TVWP of characters in the show

    On a scale of 1 to 6, where 3 is “doesn’t detract”, 4 is better than expected, 5 is outstanding and 6 is out of the park ( where 2 is not quite up to snuff and 1 is /fail):My opinion of The acting of / director’s choices about the character

    Robb Stark – 5/4
    Catelyn Stark – 5/4
    Sansa Stark – 4/4
    Arya Stark – 6/5
    Bran Stark -5/4
    Rickon Stark – 3/3 it’s hard to find good kid actors.
    {Eddard Stark} – 5/6
    Maester Luwin 4/4
    Mikken 4/3
    Hodor – 5/3
    Ser Rodrik 4/2 the epic sideburns are a bit distracting…I can see why: easy way to distinguish a character with not many lines, but why not do that with all the chars?
    Theon Greyjoy 4/4
    Jon Umber 4/4
    Walder Frey 5/5
    Syrio Forel 6/6
    {Jory} 4/5
    {Septa Mordane} 4/4

    The King on the Iron Throne and his court
    Joffrey Baratheon – 6/6 The guys we actually hate always get the short shrift.
    Cersei Baratheon nee Lannister – 4/2 She’s got a take on the role, and she does it well, but she completely misses the sexpot aspect of her character. Letting her get away with that is the producer’s fault though, not hers.
    Myrcella Baratheon 3/3 even though there wasn’t much to the other two kids
    Tommen Baratheon 3/3 at least they didn’t ruin PD’s scene with them.
    {Robert Baratheon} 6/6 A great performance, with great added scenes.
    Tywin Lannister – 6/6 the big bad paid off in spades.
    Jaime Lannister – 5/5 it’s hard to compete in this field of awesomeness, and yet he does.
    Tyrion Lannister – 6/5 Tyrion was always written well. The producers succeeded in not screwing that up.
    Bronn – 6/6 They caught his wry humor exactly. He performed it brilliantly.
    Shagga son of Dolf 3/4 I kept wondering when the hill tribes were going to
    Timett son of Timett 3/3 ask what was in my wallet. Like the kids, though, they
    Chella daughter of Cheyk 3/3 didn’t detract from their scenes.
    Shae 4/2 I’m still not on board with this change.
    Kevan Lannister 5/3 I REALLY liked the quality they got for this relatively tiny role.
    Lancel Lannister 4/5 turning Lancel into comic relief was a great way to breathe life into this minor role.
    Gregor Clegane 5/3 Love the actor. Disappointed with his screen time.
    Sandor Clegane 5/2 Love the actor. Seriously pissed what they did with his screen time. Done right, he could have been as much of a fan favorite as Bronn.
    Ser Meryn 4/4 Sometimes you just need a silent badass.
    Ilyn Payne 4/4 Sometimes you need Two.
    Petyr Baelish 4/3 No, seriously. He comes off as too obviously in love with his own intelligence, rather than a more intelligent version of Bronn. He’s ok, just not the off the chart awesome mojo that some of the other characters had.
    Ros 4/2 She was good. The scenes she was in? Not so much.
    Grand Maester Pycelle 4/4
    Varys 4/4
    Janos Slynt 4/4

    The Queen across the Narrow Sea and her court

    Daenerys Targaryen 4/4
    {Visceris Targaryen} 6/5 Turned a one note character into awesome to watch.
    {Khal Drogo} 5/4 His awesome scenes made up for some low burn simmer. If he could have somehow pulled off the charisma of episodes 6-9 in the first 5 episodes, this would have been an off the charts performance.
    Rakharo – 4/4 His conversation with Jorah about swordplay and the banter
    Irri 4/4 with him and the handmaidens gave some life to what could easily have
    Doreah 4/4 been lousy scenes.
    Illyrio 4/4 His only problem? Not being Ian McNeice.
    Jorah Mormont 6/5 another character with more gravity than he deserves.
    {Mirri Maz Duur} 3/4 i didn’t like the way she ran through her lines like a sprint.

    Robin Arryn 5/4 Wow, what an unexpected find. Kids aren’t supposed to do crazy that well.
    Lysa Arryn nee Tully 5/5
    Mord 5/5
    {Vardis Egen} 4/4
    {Ser Hugh} 4/4

    The Night’s Watch
    Lord Commander Mormont 5/5
    Jon Snow 5/5 I can’t stand Jon’s emo. He makes it tolerable.
    Benjen Stark 5/4
    Maester Aemon (Targaryen) 5/5 I LOVED his reveal scene.
    Samwell Tarly 6/6 I disliked book Sam more than book Jon. I LOVE this guy.
    Alliser Thorne 5/5 Outstanding performances everywhere
    Pyp 4/4
    Grenn 4/4
    Yoren 4/4
    Gendry 4/4
    Hot Pie 3/4

    Other
    Renly Baratheon 3/2 No charisma, and seemly directed to act that way.
    Loras Tyrell 4/4
    Barristan Selmy 5/5
    Beric Dondarrion 3/3 who? He should have been in full helmet, no reason to cast him this early.
    {Mycah} 4/4 They should have had this kid play the stable boy.
    {Stable boy} 1/1 the only outright fail on the series. Ruined what should have been as awesome a scene as the beheading. Someone slightly better might have gotten added the “take it out” lines. Would have been better with a short teenager even.

  140. Jaycel Adkins
    Posted June 27, 2011 at 10:30 pm | Permalink

    Someone, I apologize for not recalling who, posted a link, about a call-out for extras in Northern Ireland for January and it called for thousands of extras.

    That, along with the VFX interview on Westeros saying that season two there is going to be cgi involving fur, indicates that some of the issues we all have discussed are being addressed by the showrunners and HBO.

  141. Kingthlayer
    Posted June 27, 2011 at 10:38 pm | Permalink

    Critical Geek,

    Totally respect your right to your opinion but to give the actor who played Beric a comparatively negative review when he had 1 line….other than that I like your grading system, even though you really won’t know how much was direction vs actor/actress

  142. Mick J
    Posted June 27, 2011 at 10:47 pm | Permalink

    Brad,

    It’s a good thing you’re not paying the bills then.

  143. Jaycel Adkins
    Posted June 27, 2011 at 10:48 pm | Permalink

    Kingthlayer,

    Yes, to be honest that scene did strike me as a bit odd. When I first say Beric, I scratched my head, ‘That’s the guy they are going to send to capture/kill The Mountain that Rides?!…”

    Also, given the role he plays later on, odd to introduce him visually rather than referring to him offstage in such a small scene….is he the only character that they do that with?

    I liked that scene though for Littlefinger trying to stage whisper manipulate Ned and then getting more than he bargained for….pretty funny.

    “I’ll add that one of the best things about the show has been this community, for all the good, bad and ugly. :)”

    Well said, Ser.

  144. Blueberry2
    Posted June 27, 2011 at 11:07 pm | Permalink

    Amazing season overall and it was better than I thought it would be. I don’t mind the toned down direwolves but do hope the battle scenes are a little meatier next year.

  145. educatedpony
    Posted June 27, 2011 at 11:10 pm | Permalink

    Kate,

    i am glad some people agree. i thought that scene was not the big moment nailed, like so many others were. beyond just the hair thing, i was very underwhelmed. i didn’t like that dany was just sitting there waiting to be found, blinking at them like she just got knocked on head . i wished the fire had been bigger and crazier and that she had been more in her power, bald or no, striding forth or interacting with the dragons more. it needed something.

  146. Sand Snake #9
    Posted June 27, 2011 at 11:18 pm | Permalink

    If this hasn’t already been mentioned…

    The directing needs some attention in scenes where the focus is on one or two characters, but other members of the cast and/or extras are still visible in frame.

    The scene where Baelish is apprising Sansa of the Hound’s past was rather awkward. You could see the Septa, Arya, Renly, Robert and some extras just sitting there, as if nothing had happened, as if a moment of extreme violence had not just happened. There was no realism in that at all.

    The acting of extras in some of the Dothraki scenes (e.g. wedding and pillaging of the Lamb Men) was awkward. Doreah/Irri/Jhiqui sometimes looked like they didn’t know why they were in the scene when the attention was on Dany.

    Whenever I see cheesy or non-believable acting by extras or non-central cast it pulls me out of the scene, and I get reminded of other B-grade fantasy shows like Xena and Hercules (I’m not slagging those shows, they were lots of fun, but they didn’t aim high like GoT).

  147. Remy
    Posted June 27, 2011 at 11:20 pm | Permalink

    Hodor Son of Hodor,

    The Wire had some sex scenes especially a few in Season 2 that were off the charts funny and hilarious with McNulty. Also the Wire had it’s fair share of nudity.

  148. Ser Lemoncakes
    Posted June 27, 2011 at 11:42 pm | Permalink

    Add me to this list of people Kit Harington/Jon Snow fans. Like with Dany, that is the role that casting could have turned out to be a complete disaster (please see the casting of Arthur on the recent ‘Camelot’ series as an example). I’m trying to think of another young actor who could have been cast and I shudder in horror. He’s just a good actor too and the only one keeping up the Shefield accent connvincingly!

    Jon is at an earlier point in his character arc than Dany or Robb, so comparisons are unfair. With Robb and Dany being so boss and vicotrious at the moment, their mistakes and failures in the coming season/s are going to be interesting to see in terms of audience reactions. Cheers all round for Kit, Emillia and Richard then (and Nina Gold and KL Butler) as a high point and relief makers!

    I’m also another person who really could care less about the battle scences, but year, a few shots of the Direwolves in the background could not have hurt. I also don’t care if they don’t grow and just use dogs again next season. Blasphemy!

  149. jude
    Posted June 27, 2011 at 11:52 pm | Permalink

    Mormegil,

    lol. Actually now that I think of it, he was also in Catelyn’s party when Tyrion was captured, and I know that was Marillion in that scene, so you guys are right. I wonder why they cast him and then offed him so quickly? Will there be another Vale singer for later on? Weird.

  150. KG
    Posted June 27, 2011 at 11:55 pm | Permalink

    I’d like to pop in with support for Gemma Jackson.

    She did a terrific job with the difficult task of visually distinguishing a large number of locations, while all you goofs did was whine about them running that one video clip of her into the ground. :P

    Well done, Ms. Jackson! (I was always on your side!)

  151. andrea
    Posted June 27, 2011 at 11:56 pm | Permalink

    Sand Snake is right about the extras and directing. There´s a lot of backgrounds scenes where the actors looks like cardboard. It´s a pity.
    Still, the show and the adaptation are damn good.

  152. jude
    Posted June 28, 2011 at 12:02 am | Permalink

    saluk,

    I 100% agree with you on the flashbacks. I was worried about this actually, not just because flashbacks can often come off really cheesy, but because memories and perceptions are not so cut-and-dry. Had we seen certain flashback scenes play out before our eyes, the same biased would not be there. This is something I didn’t think of until I watched the first episode – that everything we are seeing is playing out on the screen, and not being told from a character’s perspective. Having flashbacks would have lost the subjectivity.

  153. Grant Gould
    Posted June 28, 2011 at 12:27 am | Permalink

    My initial gut-reaction review to the 1st season is this:
    I LOVED it. Yes, I have a few nerdy nitpicks (would’ve really liked to have seen more of the direwolves on a regular basis, for example), but I think the show stayed remarkably true to the book, and I never once felt disappointed after watching any of the episodes.

    The entire cast was amazing. Kit Harington wasn’t how I envisioned Jon Snow when I read the book, but for me, he really knocked it out of the park – totally sold me on the role and became Jon. Emilia Clarke was perfect as Dany. Maisie was beyond perfect as Arya. I could just keep listing examples. Jorah was awesome. Drogo… Honestly, I thought the entire cast was terrific, and in most cases, made me like the character even more than I already did. I even loved Roz, who I know some fans are confused about/don’t like, but I think she’s great. (Kinda like her more than Shae at this point.)

    Anyway, I wanna keep this short — but, yeah, really loved the 1st season. I didn’t mind the “sexposition” that everyone keeps ranting about. I was happy with every episode and every character. Just a few tiny wee little complaints, such as lack of Ghost/direwolf goodness, etc. But whatever. Can’t wait to own the DVD and watch it start to finish all over again.
    :)

  154. Jambo
    Posted June 28, 2011 at 12:36 am | Permalink

    Loved the season overall!

    Few little nitpicks here and there like most people I guess, but I’m not going to complain one bit. Turned out far far better than I could have ever hoped.

    Most of the favorites and dislikes have already been mentioned, so I’ll keep it short, but I wanted to give a shout out to MORD! For only having like 3 scenes, he was awesome – especially his conversation with Tyrion. I was cracking up the whole time, and his character never really stuck out at all in the book.

    – ‘No gold? Fuck off!’

    Instant classic, if you ask me.

  155. RobTheGood
    Posted June 28, 2011 at 12:42 am | Permalink

    First time poster, long time lurker…

    I’m shocked not many people have pointed out the Tywin Lannister introduction scene as one of the highlights of the first season.

    Not only was it a chilling introduction, it probably had the greatest prop television has seen in a dead stag Tywin was cutting up while he monologued.

    Just intense stuff for a scene of expedition.

  156. userj
    Posted June 28, 2011 at 1:23 am | Permalink

    RobTheGood,

    Ahh, I LOVE that scene. Dance and Coster-Waldau were both magnificent. It was amazing to watch Jaime gradually, from his usual cocksure self, be turned into a bowl of green jello.

    I had to pause the goddamn show and kind of scream for a bit after the scene because of how awesome it was.

    [rant]
    YOU know what, though, SO MANY PEOPLE here nit-picked this scene because apparently they know alllll about how Tywin Lannister would never field dress his own deer, and HOW COULD they “ruin the character” like that. If there was one thing I wanted to punch the collective fandom at Winter-Is-Coming about for the last2 years, it was the reaction to this incredible scene being all about whether or not goddamn Tywin Lannister would ever get his hands dirty. How about we actually discuss the content of the scene, the amazing performances, and what the events of thescene say about the characters instead of nitpicking stupid stuff like whether Tywin might skiin his own deer once in awhile. [/rant]

  157. The DarkStar
    Posted June 28, 2011 at 1:39 am | Permalink

    KG: I’d like to pop in with support for Gemma Jackson.

    She did a terrific job with the difficult task of visually distinguishing a large number of locations, while all you goofs did was whine about them running that one video clip of her into the ground. :P

    Well done, Ms. Jackson! (I was always on your side!)

    I’m not going to say she did a poor job, but she did what Lena Headey did to Cercie. She made it her own and said fuck the books, and brought a bit of arrogance to it… and I’m not ok with that. I agree with you that she’s been a bit of a pin cushion, but when you are talking about fans of Martins work, and someone takes the attitude of “I’m gonna just do what I think is best and put my stamp on it”, as a fan I have to say “I appreciate your effort and you are good at what you do, but Winterfell does not have flat roofs, and Lannisters aren’t samurai warriors from the Ming dynasty.”

  158. The DarkStar
    Posted June 28, 2011 at 1:48 am | Permalink

    I’m gonna go fanboy here and say 10/10.
    It is one of the best first seasons I have ever seen. Direwolves sucked. Sexpostion was stupid. Battles lacked. Lena’s Cercie was slightly better than stabbed stable boy, but all in all, I couldn’t have asked for anything more. The show exceeded my expectations in so many areas, and has drawn many, many people to read the books, which is what we all love.

    Winter Is Coming,

    Great write up.

  159. Grimtuesday
    Posted June 28, 2011 at 2:08 am | Permalink

    Apparently there is a rumor that Christopher Eccleston has been cast for a role in the second season. I hope it’s Stannis.

    http://blastr.com/2011/06/rumor-of-the-day-game-of.php

  160. Rinso
    Posted June 28, 2011 at 2:18 am | Permalink

    In my opinion, the show was largely excellent. There are missteps, but the big picture is more than good.

    Things that the show did bad:
    - I agree that the sexposition is too much. Not to mention that Roz got waaaaaaaaay too much screen time and lines for a made up by David and Dan character that only serves to present us with her naked beauty. She actually had more time and lines than characters that are actually important like the Hound or Renly.
    - The direwolves. Intelectually I realize that it may have been tough to shoot many scenes with these animals, but they should have tried harder. The scene where Robb dealt with the wildlings by himself annoyed me to no end the first time I saw it. They mucked up the direwolves, let’s face it. Hopefully, that will improve in Season 2 because a certain pair of wolves will have an important role there.
    - The Hound. I am biased because he is one of my very very favorite characters, but they dropped the ball with him. I began to suspect this as early as Episode 2 when he didn’t laugh after Mycah’s death and my fears were confirmed later on. I don’t like this tame, sad old man. That’s not the angry, cursing, in-your-face Hound. Not to mention that he was butchered as far as screen time goes. And the scene where Littlefinger told Sansa the story of the Clegane brothers is probably the one that got me most angry. It’s. Not. His. Story. To. Tell. It’s out of character for both Petyr and Sandor.
    - The battles. I never expected somthing similair to Helm’s Deep or whatever. In all honesty, I expected a Green Fork that was a very short, undermanned and fairly confusing fight consisting mainly of too close close-ups and lot of screaming. Insteand we skipped it. All of it. On one hand, that’s fine. They clearly couldn’t afford a good, decent battle and so they didn’t bother to make a badly filmed battle. That’s cool.
    What worries me is Season 2. There is a battle there which they cannot skip. Or, more accutely put, then can but they must not. And even worse, that battle is very big and extremely important (I am purposefully vague here for the sake of those unenlightened in Martin’s words, but the geeks now I am speaking of a certain battle with a certain chain…).
    - Parts of the show’s look. The Dothraki, some of the actors, some of the sets (the Eyrie and the Moon Door – which btw would be interesting to see in the end of Season 3…), the extremely ugly Kingsguard armor… but I’m willing to be forgiving here. The show must do its own thing, the fact that looks nothing like my imagination and that it often deviates from the books’ descriptions isn’t a grevious offence. Honestly.
    - Some of the infodumps were very clumsy. I don’t mean sexposition here, I mean like the scene where Jaime and Jory were standing like logs in a hallway and chatted on about Greyjoy’s Rebellion. Clumsy, even if the actors tried their best to make it work.
    Speaking of which, I’m unsure if the setting’s history was handled well enough in such scenes. We had to be told which king built the Red Keep and what are the names of the Targs’ dragons, but we learned next to nothing about what triggered Robert’s Rebellion, how Lyanna died, what happened with Rhaegar’s wife and children, why Jaime killing Aerys was considered so despicable by Ned and so on.

    Things that the show did good:
    - The acting. Seriously, the cast is fucking astonishing. It’s amazingly good. While certain characters were not what I imagined or – more accurately, what I read – that’s the writers’ fault (Sandor, Renly – I look at you). My favorite guys here are Viserys (Harry Lloyd) and Robert (Mark Addy). I can’t believe how good they did. Seriosuly, I was honestly disappointed when they died because we won’t see them again in the show. And both are characters that I’m fairly indifferent to in the books. Other excellent parts are Tyrion, Bronn, Joffrey, Jon Snow, Jorah Mormont, Arya… and I could go on and on. Again, the cast is perfect. We can only hope the new roles in Season 2 are filled with equally good actors.
    - The important stuff. Yeah, the show dropped the ball with some smaller things. But when it comes to the big stuff that is the meat and mead of the series, they got the job done. And looked good doing it. Viserys’ death, Ned’s execution, Jaime’s capture, Bran’s fall… Every one of those awesome, bigger than life “HOLY SHIT!!!1!!111!”-moments was captured perfectly. Again, I hope it will be much the same in the next seasons.
    - The show is faithful to the books. That was extremely important to me. Yes, there are deviations, but mostly with small things and/or physical descriptions. But the story is there, the atmosphere is there, the spirit is there. That is “A Song of Ice and Fire”. David and Dan, and HBO definately did it justice. I can’t put in words how happy I am with this.
    - The numerous little awesome things. The awesome intro with the clockwork castels and the sun’s bas-releifs showing symbolic renderings of Valyria’s Doom and the War of the Usurper, scenes like Ned walking into Bran’s room and freezing at the doorstep while Cat and Jon both look up at him accusingly and sorrowfully from the sides of Bran’s bed, or Arya’s first practice with Syrio with the twirling camera, Ned watching the sea of angry faces of the mob below just as he’s about to get his head chopped off, every scene with Robert in it and so on and on…

    Bottom line is… The show is fucking excellent, even with the few instances of ball-dropping, and I can’t wait for Season 2.

  161. Max from Russia
    Posted June 28, 2011 at 2:21 am | Permalink

    SEAN BEAN HAS ALL CHANSES TO WIN EMMY AWARD AND HE SHOULD WIN !

  162. Mario Mjoed
    Posted June 28, 2011 at 3:07 am | Permalink

    + i cant believe the lack of ian glen praising. i didnt notice jorah that much in the books, but in the show he just ruled every scene with wisdom, honor (at least in the right time, in the right place) and badassery. for me, he is one – if not the – best actor in the first season.
    + jerome flynn. one of my favourite characters (nope, not kidding.) – and REALLY well done. awesome actor.

    i just realisied i could write a book about how perfect the cast of game of thrones is.. and it would probably be bigger than game of thrones itself, so i stop right here (wait, one more: ian mcelhinney as barristan, jason momoa as drogo, and of course williams, bean, miltos, and and and..) and say: i loved the cast. really.

    except for… lena headey. but i really think she underestimated this series and just didnt put much effort in this role, i think(/know) she could do it WAY better, she IS a great actress. i also dont like that she refuses to read the books, she should really do it – she just didnt get cersei and never will if she doesnt read them.

    and im sorry to say, but without these exceptional performances (and of course the exceptional story) this show would have been… meh. for everything else than the actors (of course overall – i love most costumes, the intro, the dragons, editing/directing of neds beheading and a few other scenes, but overall, not just those few high points) i give the first season a 5/10. for the actors 15/10, so overall 10/10 ;)

    thank the gods for nina gold.

  163. Damryn of Dorne
    Posted June 28, 2011 at 3:08 am | Permalink

    I was unfortunately the first poster to mention the Ghost-Gate thing… and it kind of went haywire from there… TSK took up the torch and everyone jumped on him… so I feel a little bad because we share the same thoughts with regard to that aspect of the series.

    That being said, the first season was an 11 out of 10. D & D deserve a giant raise for their talent and vision. The superlatives outweigh the negatives by such a margin as to be almost meaningless. This has been an epic (haha) season of television, meeting 99% of every book fan’s expectation of the show.

    My favorites from this season would be:

    1) Tyrion
    2) Arya
    2) Dany in Essos
    4) Jon
    5) Single Combat fight scenes (I’m a big fan of 1v1 combat)

    My concerns would be:

    1) Sexposition
    2) Scale
    3) Roz… srsly, did she sleep with D&D?

    That being said… an awesome season.. I am literally counting the days until the next one… and only like 2 weeks until aDwD :D haha

  164. DibuK
    Posted June 28, 2011 at 3:17 am | Permalink

    Let’s start a new category: great lines sadly omitted.

    1. The exchange between Tyrion and Aemon- a giant sits amongst us etc.
    2. Yoren to his new recruits: ” The watch has need for good men but you lot will have to do” (they may still find a chance to slip it in in season 2)

  165. Fabian Schneider
    Posted June 28, 2011 at 3:26 am | Permalink

    Mario Mjoed:
    + i cant believe the lack of ian glen praising. i didnt notice jorah that much in the books, but in the show he just ruled every scene with wisdom, honor (at least in the right time, in the right place) and badassery. for me, he is one – if not the – best actor in the first season.
    + jerome flynn. one of my favourite characters (nope, not kidding.) – and REALLY well done. awesome actor.

    I am with you on both counts. Iain’s Jorah is absolutely perfect. He really gives us every aspect of that character while making him sympathetic, without overdoing it. Also, if George Lucas ever needs another Obi Wan, TAKE Iain Glen!
    (on a related note, look at his IMDB-photos. His beard has some range!)

    Jerome Flynn was great too, actually. I think many people missed that because by the very nature of his character, most of his scenes are with Peter Dinklage, who just steamrolls everyone else he is on screen with, presence-wise. Flynn did a great job keeping up with him though and playing off him. It will be great to see more Bronn in the future.

  166. Ser Duck
    Posted June 28, 2011 at 3:49 am | Permalink

    The biggest plus for me was the casting (with one exception below in the negatives) every character was exactly as I imagined or better if they changed a character it was for the better (I’m thinking Lysa here).
    Tyrion, Aria, Ned, King Robert, Bronn, Dany & Jamie were perfect everyone else was close to perfect. Grouty as Maester Aamon was made of win the ‘orrible old scrote (old UK comedy reference)

    My only gripes were

    The lack of Direwolves , but I feel for the production team they got the dogs the dogs just didn’t want to join in :(

    Loras Tyrell was supposed to be one of the best knights in the kingdom yet he had the muscles of a 12 year old he looked like he would struggle to fight in a wet duffle coat let alone full plate armor ;)

    Roz the ubiquitous whore

    Overall it was amazing can’t wait till next April

  167. dardar
    Posted June 28, 2011 at 3:52 am | Permalink

    Amazing first season.

    My favourites moments:

    -Ned’s execution;
    -Dany saying viserys: “next tim you touch me is the last time you’ll have hands!”
    -The goodbye between Jon and Robb, beautifully played ;
    -That amazing monologue from robert, with Jaime, Selmy and Lancel (added scene!).

    Best acting: Dinklage, Addy and Fairley are amazing.

    Dance, Bean et Glen bring the serie to an other dimension.

    Biggest surprises: Clarke and Momoa !

    I’m really excited about this and can’t wait for the second season…

  168. coltaine777
    Posted June 28, 2011 at 4:35 am | Permalink

    Mick J:
    Brad,

    It’s a good thing you’re not paying the bills then.

    I wish he was…would’ve meant some battles :) ….

  169. Alexa
    Posted June 28, 2011 at 4:54 am | Permalink

    “Just look at other premium cable series such as Spartacus or The Borgias as examples. Both had large scale crowds and battles.”

    Yes they did. And they looked like shit.

    D&D had said earlier: If they were going to have large scale battles, either it will be done right, or not be done at all.

  170. Hear Me Roar
    Posted June 28, 2011 at 5:04 am | Permalink

    The recap captures my feelings pretty well, so I won’t go into too many details: season one is a successful adaptation, true to the source material both in spirit and in content. The added scenes show that the producers understand the characters, and any minor changes in characterization are not made willy-nilly and make sense.

    Thinking back (which is actually hard), at the beginning of the year there were so many insecurities, anxieties I felt … now after 10 episodes I can say: They have done it!
    I couldn’t ask for more, even though there are always some things you could wish to change or not how you imagined them, but that’s all minor and unavoidable. On the negatives Winter listed: sexposition is a problem because it was overused as a device. Most of the time it worked well on its own, and the lines were great – just in danger to be overshadowed, which is most evident in Littlefinger’s training scene of course. Lack of scale: I did not feel it that much since the setting was appropriately epic, and the sets lived-in and populated, so I mostly didn’t pay too much attention to the lack of numbers in some scenes. Still, they could definitely be a bit more happily pressing the crowd replication button (easier said than done, I know). Lack of battles – sure, wouldn’t mind some more shots, but I am happy enough nonetheless. At the Whispering Woods however, the stakes (and the strategy) should have been more clearly evident, so that we could share the nervousness with Cat. That’s all :)

    The casting decisions and the performances were top-notch! All the big moments were spot on, visually, and even more importantly, emotionally. The two biggest assets of the original (IMO) were perfectly translated: the amazing plot and the characters everyone can choose from who to love and who to love to hate, which is easily different for everyone since the characters are well-rounded. The debates viewers have (had) are the living proof of that.

    No tv series and no adaptation can be expected to be perfect, but to me this one comes as close as we could have hoped for.
    Hats off!

  171. D4skalosM
    Posted June 28, 2011 at 5:17 am | Permalink

    I generally agree with the recap, especially with the notion about not seeing a proper battle. I just loved the part with Tyrion leading the Mountain Clans into battle and when he passed off I nearly screamed to my screen “Noooo, where is Tyrion fighting in the first rows?”
    But whatsoever, I admire the production’s attempt for a generally good adaptation and the great acting of a great cast!

  172. Nexus
    Posted June 28, 2011 at 5:26 am | Permalink

    (First, sorry for my english…)

    Agree with the overall recap.

    As we all are quite agree with the good stuff, I’ll just point the bad things to me:

    – The Direwolves simply doesn’t exists. I’m not talking about only about them looking cheesy, it’s really more disappointing that they have been completely wipe out of their importance for every character owning one. The link between Jon and Ghost simply is not. The relevance of Grey Wind is none, can you remember Robb Stark during war, the young wolf, without Grey Wind? People was scared of his wolf, not from him!
    – The cast of Catelyn and Jon. It’s like a bad joke… They don’t fit AT ALL
    – In general, the unequal aging of the characters. Ned, Cat, Robb and Jon are incredibly aged regarding the book. While Lanninster side seems to fit little more. Think about Joffrey; he really looks like a boy. And Robb? looks like a father to me…
    – Also want to insist on the really disappointing lack of scale. Besides the commented on the overall, I was specially disappointed with the “small and closed” look of Winterfell. And awesome disappointed with the Eyre… Hello?? Didn’t anyone on production saw John Howe drawings??!!
    – In the first episode, the “castle wall“? that Bran was climbing… again: amateur
    – Specially on the first half of the series, the environment/atmosphere (light, mainly) on King’s Landing was just amateur. Those of you who know a little bit of photography probably have felt shame for this… I did.

  173. Sapistas
    Posted June 28, 2011 at 5:57 am | Permalink

    The thing about the battles…
    Well there is only one battle scene in the book if i recall correctly. That with Tyrion.
    So they only skipped this one battle. Which i believe it should be VERY difficult and expensive to film. 30,000 lannisters vs 2,000 northerns = 32,000 people fighting.
    Too much even for the series high budjet i believe.

    And the thing about sexibition. I believe all sexibition scenes could be shown otherwise. It is not difficut to thing other ways of having one telling about his/her past without showing titties and buttchicks all the time.

  174. Hollyoak
    Posted June 28, 2011 at 6:01 am | Permalink

    Alexa:
    “Just look at other premium cable series such as Spartacus or The Borgias as examples. Both had large scale crowds and battles.”

    Yes they did. And they looked like shit.

    D&D had said earlier:If they were going to have large scale battles, either it will be done right, or not be done at all.

    To be honest, the Borghias had a battle scene that was quite impressive. It was when the French invade Rome.

    I can understand D&D, though. It has to be extremely difficult. Everyone here is saying “battle” but which battle? Both? Do they cut between two battles? Is it close-up or shot wide? There is so much to consider and so very time consuming, considering they only have ten episodes and a quick film schedule. I am satisfied with their decisions.

  175. Hollyoak
    Posted June 28, 2011 at 6:10 am | Permalink

    Jambo:
    Loved the season overall!

    Few little nitpicks here and there like most people I guess, but I’m not going to complain one bit. Turned out far far better than I could have ever hoped.

    Most of the favorites and dislikes have already been mentioned, so I’ll keep it short, but I wanted to give a shout out to MORD! For only having like 3 scenes, he was awesome – especially his conversation with Tyrion. I was cracking up the whole time, and his character never really stuck out at all in the book.

    – ‘No gold? Fuck off!’

    Instant classic, if you ask me.

    No gold! whack! No gold? Whack! Whack.

    Good one

  176. Ciliatus
    Posted June 28, 2011 at 6:30 am | Permalink

    The first season was awesome. Specially the cast and costumes in my opinion unbeatable.

    The only big point i have are of course the direwolves. In the books they are always around the Starks, and much more intimidating. It actually was the point that got me in the books the most, and why i went on reading in first place.
    In the series its like: well, ok, Sansa’s “dog” gets killed because of Jeoffrey… In the books you almost cant read on, because its such a horrible loss.
    Of course the dogs who act as wolves and their trainers is not to blame, probalby CGI would have been the better way.

    And as mentioned in the review above the hands tournament was quite a joke.

    Beside those 2 points i am more than happy. ;)

  177. vmm
    Posted June 28, 2011 at 7:05 am | Permalink

    poor american, pretending moral on sex scenes.

  178. Who Is Jacopo Belbo?
    Posted June 28, 2011 at 8:37 am | Permalink

    obviously i really enjoyed this season and thought it was well done. best fantasy ever on television. but there were some things i had problems with.

    others have said all of the good stuff so i am not going to bother to repeat how great such and such an actor was (they were mostly all very good) but please do not think because i am only highlighting the problems that i did not like the show:

    1. the initial scene, the prologue, was all sorts of screwed up. not just compared to the book but in terms of internal logic. firstly there is no sense of how far away from the wall they have travelled to find these wildings. a throw away line like “we’ve been travelling for a fortnight, if we leave now we might get back before ….” easy peasy one two threesy. now we know they aren’t right outside the wall. and the whole idea of the whitewalkers dismembering people and playing paint by bodies is just so god awfully stupid i cannot even begin to wrap my head around why they did it (and did it poorly to boot because the corpses looked fake). the whole thing is that will isn’t sure they are dead, he sits and watches them for a while and isn’t sure because they look like they just died frozen in the middle of what they were doing … but eventually after watching long enough (again, use one line “i watched them for near two hours and not a one of them moved, i tell you they are frozen dead”) he is convinced they are dead and comes back to report such. at which point snotty mcsnotterson questions his judgement and wants to see for himself. if they are dismembered and put into some arcane pattern non of what happens makes sense. no boss is going to hear about a dismembering slaugther and ask “but how did they die? are we sure they are dead? let’s go check shall we”. and when they go back and see them gone we get a confused reaction (like you would expect if you had seen just frozen in place bodies and then they were gone, perhaps you were wrong? perhaps you lost track of time and didn’t watch them long enough before heading back?) … i am sorry but when severed body parts up and disappear from a fancy laid out design that is cause for more than just a bit of confusion … that would cause down right fear. and all of this leads to the exact wrong impression of the white walkers. they are cool, casual almost nonchalant killers. they don’t run after you they WALK after you … they sword fight you with contemptuous ease … and they don’t hack you to bits they kill you with the slightest touch … because dismembered bodies don’t make for the best wights dontcha know.

    2. the introduction to winterfell and the king’s party could really have used the sword training scene back in

    3. bran being pushed from the window was just all wrong. he was never in any jeopardy from falling. he is supposed to be startled and almost fall on his own and hanging on for dear life. that is so Jaime can SAVE him first. it adds depth to Jaime’s character .. his inclination is to be bemused and to save Bran seeing him as no big deal, not a threat (that is his odd arrogance and non naturally brutal nature). and after saving him when he then THROWS him out of the window at Cersie’s bidding we see that despite his nature he is willing to do anything, including murder a child, for Cersei/if he thinks it is necessary. the whole thing just felt rushed and totally off to me.

    4. the dothraki were, let’s just face it, terrible. from horse riding Dany wearing a skirt most of the time (hello chaffed thighs) instead of soft form fitting breeches, to the hodge-podge multi-racialness of the art direction (holy craptastic batman) to the tiny scale to the “white”? instead of ethnic extras to the idiotic giving of a box of snakes to dany as a wedding present the whole thing was just so poorly done at establishing the Dothraki as a viable and vibrant culture that at first might seem brutal and “other” but once you learn more about it is actually more complex and nuanced and just as viable as any other. the mistakes they made were numerous and it really effected the story of Dany. it is harder to see her embracing the Dothraki and her role as Khalessi if the Dothraki culture itself is not given proper handling so that it is realistic that she would find it appealing upon further inspection/exposure and WANT to embrace it. the art director should be FIRED for the Dothraki mistake alone (not to mention having flat roofs in a place where it supposedly snows all of the time or making Kings Landing look like the Bahamas, it is south but it isn’t THAT south as somebody pointed out).

    5. the Hound and Renly were poorly done and not given the proper depth and nuance they deserve. and the whole Renly/Loras gay thing was just so patently overdone and pandering it made me sick. be subtle, and no, an on screen sucking sloppy blowjob or body shaving is NOT subtle.

    6. as has been said the Arya first kill scene was just thrown away … it could have been such a powerful moment and it was utterly wasted. terrible.

    7. the killing of Lady scene was not done well. there should have been something at her death, says showing the other wolves around westeros howling at her passing, that showed a connection between the wolves to support the pseudo supernatural connection between them and the stark kids. and they could have easily done the bran awaking scene a bit better showing at least some subtle visual hint of the dream he’d been having and the importance of the crow etc. i am not sure they have laid the groundwork for bran’s warging powers/greensight as well as they need to have.

    8. with all of the exposistion (and yes there was too much and too much sexposition too) they still haven’t captured some of the historicity of the story. the KG and their noble history and the importance of how much it has eroded as just one example. there isn’t any real feel of how much the modern time of westeros has deteriorated from an earlier, “better” time.

    9. whoever pointed out that there is no real sense of time scale was absolutely right. there needed to be more subtle context clues about how much time passses between some of this stuff. the story has already been truncated so much that most of the depth has been lost to hurtling along the plot and so the story is moving fast. which adds to the sense that less time is passing IN the story too. it makes for newbie confusion i would imagine.

    10. and yes i also agree that there is definitely a lack in sense of scale. from the Eyrie to the Horde to the Hand’s Tourney. i have to think with more creative/clever people involved that this could have been better acheived even on the budget given. the budget is just an excuse that doesn’t hold much water with me … if it is important it can be done thru ingenuity where there isn’t money.

    but again. i did very much like the show, i just wanted it to be even better. especially since some of the issues were easily avoidable and if even i could think of a way to do them better the important people running the show should have been able to … but i give it a 8/10 … the first 4 episodes 7/10 and the last 6 episodes a 9/10.

  179. Knurk
    Posted June 28, 2011 at 8:46 am | Permalink

    The DarkStar: Lena’s Cercie was slightly better than stabbed stable boy

    oh man, I feel guilty lolling really hard over this.

  180. Dante
    Posted June 28, 2011 at 9:20 am | Permalink

    I just finished a re-read of the book (trying breathlessly to get through all the books again before ADWD — don’t think I’m gonna make it!) and was amazed at how true to the book the TV show was. Yes, the show streamlined a lot of the story (seriously, I always forget how many Sers and Lords and Houses there are to keep track of and who is banner to whom and who holds what keep) and I would have liked more of the mystical direwolf connection shown onscreen, but on the whole I thought that it was an excellent adaptation — especially 3-4 episodes in, once the show got its feet under it. I even liked little things in my re-read like seeing allusions to scenes not shown in the book (e.g., Jorah going to fetch the spy letter from Varys) which allowed me to think “aha! I know what’s happening there!” Yes, I will probably always now and forever have Sean Bean in my head when I read about Eddard Stark, but most of the casting was so good that it doesn’t matter. And now I can look forward to next season!

  181. Ed
    Posted June 28, 2011 at 9:29 am | Permalink

    And a big, healthy Fu^& You to you VMM. Once again, the ugly anti-American thing pops up here. I don’t understand why so many posters here think it’s okay to sling that crap around.

    If you don’t like what he says, fine. But keep the politics out of here. A$$hole.

    vmm:
    poor american, pretending moral on sex scenes.

  182. gman
    Posted June 28, 2011 at 9:32 am | Permalink

    is ‘ned’ stark really dead ??? does he die in the books too??
    dammit…till now i thought he was the MAIN CHARACTER !!
    Dante,

  183. Winter Is Coming
    Posted June 28, 2011 at 9:34 am | Permalink

    Ed, just breathe man. You shouldn’t let one random comment on the internet get you so worked up. :)

    What I don’t understand is, is vmm talking about my post? Because I never once mentioned having a problem with the nudity or the sex per se. Just that they used the sexposition device a few too many times and that some of those times were less effective than others. I guess some people just have an agenda…

  184. gman
    Posted June 28, 2011 at 9:34 am | Permalink

    awaiting reply !!

  185. DibuK
    Posted June 28, 2011 at 9:35 am | Permalink

    Who Is Jacopo Belbo?,

    Excellent post.

  186. Winter Is Coming
    Posted June 28, 2011 at 9:36 am | Permalink

    gman, yes, he’s really dead. Yes, he died in the book too. No, he’s not the main character. ;)

  187. gman
    Posted June 28, 2011 at 9:37 am | Permalink

    so whoz da main character ??? “the bastard” ?? or arya ??=P

  188. DibuK
    Posted June 28, 2011 at 9:40 am | Permalink

    gman,

    Hodor. He’s the master mind behind everything.

  189. gman
    Posted June 28, 2011 at 9:40 am | Permalink

    reply plz….main character ???

  190. Maxwell James
    Posted June 28, 2011 at 9:45 am | Permalink

    Regarding the battle scenes & some other disappointments – one thing that I think many people tend to overlook is that D&D were rookie showrunners. David’s one directorial/producing experience was a short film in 2006, and Dan had none whatsoever. While they (wisely) surrounded themselves with seasoned pros, I think some mistakes can simply be attributed to the fact that they were taking on a project of immense complexity and had never done this before.

    By contrast, the architects of HBO’s other major dramas – Chase, Simon, Milch, Ball, Winter – all had significant experience as producers before their breakthrough shows. That makes David & Dan’s achievement all the more impressive in my eyes.

  191. Winter Is Coming
    Posted June 28, 2011 at 9:45 am | Permalink

    gman, there isn’t one, really. That’s the beauty of the story. Or depending on how you look at it, there are a lot of them. Dany, Jon, Catelyn, Robb, Arya, Sansa, Bran, Jaime, Cersei, Tyrion could all be considered “main” characters.

  192. gman
    Posted June 28, 2011 at 9:47 am | Permalink

    hodor the stable guy??? datz impossible !!

  193. Whirrun
    Posted June 28, 2011 at 9:47 am | Permalink

    gman,

    I guess the lead character is Westeros or The Iron Throne.Just like Baltimore was the lead character of The Wire

  194. gman
    Posted June 28, 2011 at 9:48 am | Permalink

    btw how many season are gonna come ??

  195. Jaycel Adkins
    Posted June 28, 2011 at 9:54 am | Permalink

    Whirrun,

    That seems to be pretty close to the mark, though I would go with theme rather than character.

  196. Winter Is Coming
    Posted June 28, 2011 at 9:54 am | Permalink

    gman, seven, hopefully. One for each book in the series.

  197. The Hand's Jerk
    Posted June 28, 2011 at 9:56 am | Permalink

    gman,

    Ok, if you haven’t figure it out… There isn’t a traditional main character. The story doesn’t revolve around any one ‘hero’ or ‘anti-hero’; the story is itself or rather the history in the making as it were.

    There are primary characters (of which Ned was one of), secondary, tertiary characters and lots of minor one scene characters. None of whom is sacrosanct and completely ‘plot’ protected.

  198. Stevieboy
    Posted June 28, 2011 at 10:06 am | Permalink

    Totally fantastic series!! I’m not going to talk about the actors as i think we can all agree they were perfectly cast and were all wonderful, its all been said before.

    The best part of the whole series for me was the Dragons. I was expecting something totally unrealistic and/or cheesey, instead we got bloomin’ awesomely PERFECT Dragons!!

    It was like the Khazad Dum and Balrog moment in LotR ….. if they got that wrong it would have spoiled it …. they didn’t and it was perfect, and so were Danys Dragons. We have DRAGONS! Hopefully the CGI team will do them justice as the grow larger.

    The only downer that i had was the lack of Direwolves …. they were a bit too cuddly for my liking, too much like dogs.

  199. Jaycel Adkins
    Posted June 28, 2011 at 10:08 am | Permalink

    Who Is Jacopo Belbo?,

    Great post about the substantial rather than nitpicking things that a book reader could find troubling about the show without being a hater or filled with nerd-rage.

    I agree most with what you have to say about the premiere:

    1. The main problem I had was that the prologue at least gives you a sense of the honor/nobility of the idea of the Night Watch. Ultimately they turn out to become just another Kingsguard, but still…the idea itself is noble. Wish they underlined that.
    Ser Weymar Royce, when confronted with this ‘white walker’ overcomes his fear and challenges the creature, ”Dance with me then…” and as Martin notes in the novel: “Yet in that moment….he was a boy no longer, but a man of the Night Watch.”

    2. Jaime throwing Bran out the window was played off pretty wrong. TV Jaime is so nonchalant about it, more Hannibal Lector than not. But Book Jamie resents having to do it, ‘The things I do for love.’ is a bitter statement, not a statement of showing off.

  200. Jaycel Adkins
    Posted June 28, 2011 at 10:11 am | Permalink

    Winter Is Coming,

    WiC, do you think Playtone coming out and saying they are going to do six seasons with American Gods, is going to have any effect on GoT?

    The talk about American Gods puts it’s budget in the same ballpark as GoT, 40 – 50 million a season?

  201. Critical Geek
    Posted June 28, 2011 at 10:14 am | Permalink

    On scale.

    If anyone in the new VFX house working on season 2 is reading this, go watch John Adams. The VFX producer from JA was in on the pilot of GoT, but left it in the hands of others. Somehow they didn’t get the memo of how to stage scenes of crowds to effectively expand them via VFX. JA has some very cost effective and visually impressive sea battles. THAT MIGHT BE USEFUL INFO FOR SEASON 2.

    2d effects and panoramas were great in the first season. Moving people in the shot? Apparently forgotten. Specifics are all the scenes where scale should have been appropriate: The tourney, the khalasar, the market of Vaes Dothrak. Three scenes that just looked like the VFX team just forgot to put in their 2 cents to the producers. What did work? The Lannister Camp. It looked properly huge. It showed that the lack in the other scenes wasn’t budget, it was vision.

    And yet somehow the credits are the most awesome thing I’ve seen in a long while. Dragons worked, as well. It’s only on the sense of people scale that the effects failed.

    Now, about Beric? Lots of minor characters only had one line. The Mountain, for instance. The Stable boy. Micah. Even Kings Landing Butler had more panache. Mikken didn’t even have a line and he was more memorable than Beric. However, he didn’t detract from the scene in the slightest, so he got a 3 by me, and a 3 for the producers for not cowling him like they did for Jaqen.

  202. gman
    Posted June 28, 2011 at 10:16 am | Permalink

    The Hand’s Jerk,

    so whatz the basic theme of the story ?? gimme some site to read more about it !!

  203. Jaycel Adkins
    Posted June 28, 2011 at 10:22 am | Permalink

    Critical Geek,

    I’m just curious if they are going to bring the same actor back as Beric….lol….I don’t know the point of mentioning the stable boy…there was a reason he ONLY had one line…just saying….

    Also, they are changing VFX companies, so might get to see what you are talking about, great interview with season one vfx head on westeros.

  204. Jaycel Adkins
    Posted June 28, 2011 at 10:31 am | Permalink

    gman,

    For me it’s the theme is about power: What it is, what people do to get it, why do they want it, etc. Also, particularly in regards to Ned, what does it take to be a good leader? Moral center? Cleverness? No Moral Center?

    The idea of that goodness and wisdom are not one and the same. The former is a necessary but not sufficient quality/aspect of the later.

    Stuff like that I guess.

  205. Steel_Wind
    Posted June 28, 2011 at 10:33 am | Permalink

    “Starting off with too much sexposition (© Myles McNutt)”

    Winter Is Coming:

    Copyright Myles McNutt? *Ahem*

    Okay. Now this is pissing me off.

    Myles McNutt did not coin the term “sexposition”. I did. I coined the term here on the blog in the recap/response after Episode 07, and then everybody else — including Myles McNutt — picked up on it and it fell into general use.

    Coming up with a clever portmanteau is not rocket science. But I’ll be DAMNED if my coining of the term is to be attributed to Myles McNutt. He didn’t invent it; I did.

    .Robert

  206. Knurk
    Posted June 28, 2011 at 10:34 am | Permalink

    gman,

    haha dude, you haven’t watched the show and you’re reading this thread?

  207. Alan
    Posted June 28, 2011 at 10:36 am | Permalink

    Jaycel Adkins:
    Alan,

    I have to agree with you up to a point. I have pretty much taken it on faith that the nature of posting comments on threads is inherently about nitpicking or pointing out flaws, etc.

    But I found the most of what has past for ‘nitpicking’ on this thread has been pretty on point and does not really fall into the level of what I have heard and scratched my head about in frustration.

    I don’t think people are missing the forest for the trees with what they are saying.

    I don’t know, maybe I’m so used to hearing about Robert’s hair, San/San, direwolves, ‘lack of rape,’ etc. that I just glaze over that stuff on here.

    But liked WiC’s points about what didn’t go right with the season.

    As for the pro and con lists…I mean…c’mon…it’s a thread posting….helps people organize their thoughts and present them clearly in the format they have to work with.

    Huge blocks of prose in a thread start to bleed together into a haze…at least for me after a while…and we are talking about dozens and probably soon to be hundreds of posts.

    But I feel what you are saying man….beautiful season, particularly the back 5 episodes and just to needle you a bit:

    Best First Seasons of TV I have seen:

    1. Deadwood
    2. Sopranos
    3. The Wire
    4. Game of Thrones
    5. LOST

    To be clear, I’m not saying people’s opinions are unreasonable (a a whole) or that pro/cons lists are wrong or that Winter’s review is junk or anything…

    …it’s just that you’d never review an original work like that. It comes through in the fact that the pros/cons lists are rarely listing “incredible story,” “fast pacing,” “never knew what happened next,” “characters I cared about,” “genre breaking” etc.

    Basically, how do you describe the books to someone? How do you review the story for them?

    Now compare it to how people “review” or evaluate the season. It’s almost entirely in comparison to the books (even the acting — I think Lena Headley hatred is significantly based on changes to the charater).

    I don’t think it’s wrong — that’s our experience. It’s just not entirely fair, in that it really isn’t evaluating what should be important in evaluating the show — that is, did it tell a good story effectively and entertainingly, making me care for characters, etc.

    Also, I have no real quibbles with your Top 5 (for Dramas, at least), but I will say I neither loved Sopranos nor Lost that much in the first season, or really ever.

    I’m not sure what I would put there, though.

  208. Jaycel Adkins
    Posted June 28, 2011 at 10:44 am | Permalink

    Alan,

    Cool, fair enough.

    Except for Lena…bro…that eyebrow…she keeps making me think she thinks Cersei had a weird stroke or something….or is secretly related to Mountain….

    Steel_Wind,

    Ah man, if that’s the case, bro…not saying it isn’t, new to the threads here, I feel bad. I thought it was him, especially from the Ryan and Ryan podcast.

  209. Alan
    Posted June 28, 2011 at 10:47 am | Permalink

    userj:
    RobTheGood,

    Ahh, I LOVE that scene.Dance and Coster-Waldau were both magnificent. It was amazing to watch Jaime gradually, from his usual cocksure self, be turned into a bowl of green jello.

    I had to pause the goddamn show and kind of scream for a bit after the scene because of how awesome it was.

    [rant]
    YOU know what, though, SO MANY PEOPLE here nit-picked this scene because apparently they know alllll about how Tywin Lannister would never field dress his own deer, and HOW COULD they “ruin the character” like that.If there was one thing I wanted to punch the collective fandom at Winter-Is-Coming about for the last2 years, it was the reaction to this incredible scene being all about whether or not goddamn Tywin Lannister would ever get his hands dirty.How about we actually discuss the content of the scene, the amazing performances, and what the events of thescene say about the characters instead of nitpicking stupid stuff like whether Tywin might skiin his own deer once in awhile.[/rant]

    +1!!!! Furthermore, Tywin Lannister will do whatever he damn well pleases.

  210. Sly
    Posted June 28, 2011 at 10:53 am | Permalink

    Lisa,

    I’m definitely with you. Kit Harrington has fabulous eyes (as does Emilia Clarke) and I’m so glad the directors realized this and gave him those close ups where you can totally see everything that is running through his mind. (example, the scene where he realizes Benjen’s horse has no rider, or the scene where Aemon tell him his secret). Jon Snow in the books, while likable, was a lukewarm character for me. I cared about what was going on in his chapters, but his personality was so flat… But Kit Harrington’s performance has made me like the character. His brooding is actually pretty exciting.

  211. Alan
    Posted June 28, 2011 at 11:06 am | Permalink

    Jaycel Adkins:
    Alan,

    Cool, fair enough.

    Except for Lena…bro…that eyebrow…she keeps making me think she thinks Cersei had a weird stroke or something….or is secretly related to Mountain….

    I think Headley has the hardest acting job of the series. I know people will have others (Khal Drogo, for example), and they’d have a good claim, but…

    Cersei in Book 1 is actually very measured (once we get her POV we tend to forget), but D&D have emphasized this and de-emphasized her anger and emotion.

    I think she’s done a good job of showing pettiness (with Lady) and emotion (worry, with Jaime), but those scenes are early. Frankly, maybe her best scene was the scene with Catelyn over Bran’s bed — but people were so thrown off by the departure from the books they missed the awesomeness of that scene coupled with her wanting Bran to to die.

    But aside from a few moments of emotion, the rest of the time she is absolutely on guard. What people interpret as “flat” I’m seeing as intentional — she’s not letting her guard down one bit in public.

    Yes, she may go to the eyebrow too often, but I think that’s a bit of the editing issue as well. She’s simply got a lot of reaction shots in the series where she doesn’t say anything, and she’s supposed to show she’s lying, or hiding something while still being a convincing liar.

    It ain’t easy, and I think she’s done a good job.

  212. Jaycel Adkins
    Posted June 28, 2011 at 11:13 am | Permalink

    Alan,

    LOL….I yield, Ser.

    I’ve gone 40 posts deep other places defending Sansa Stark, so I can appreciate your point of view.

  213. RobTheGood
    Posted June 28, 2011 at 11:28 am | Permalink

    The death of Khal Drogo was better on television than in the books.

    And i’m being honest. There’s something much more tragic about his death in the show: self-inflicted wound used to taunt his opponent, brushing it off as a scratch, etc.

    I mean, the fight scene was pretty crazy to watch, and i don’t know any dudes who wouldn’t want to be able to flex into a knife wound like that. And his masculanity and warrior stubbornness lead to his demise. In this, 2 common themes are flushed out:

    1 – the warrior’s pride. (Ned, barristan, mormont, etc.)
    2 – gender roles

    The book incident was good, don’t get me wrong.. but random wounds from a battle are common. On the show it’s almost poetic how they killed him off.

  214. RobTheGood
    Posted June 28, 2011 at 11:39 am | Permalink

    Alan: +1!!!! Furthermore, Tywin Lannister will do whatever he damn well pleases.

    right? people complaining about his cutting up a stag are missing the point: he’s bad-mf’in-ass. All my non-reader friends thought this scene was just incredible.

    remember, television allows only a few minutes for what pages and pages of books can teach the audience. and by having tywin cut up the stag (metaphors aside for a second), the show has created a character who clearly has power, prestige, respect, strength, etc.

  215. Jaycel Adkins
    Posted June 28, 2011 at 11:39 am | Permalink

    RobTheGood,

    I would put the execution of Ned Stark in that category of better in the tv show than the books, as well.

    Really showed the tools that a visual medium like tv can bring to the table that a novel just simply can’t.

    Ah…and now I am posting way too much!

  216. HandmaidenofDany
    Posted June 28, 2011 at 12:07 pm | Permalink

    Ok, one last time about the sex. People that are complaining are “claiming” they have read the books. Did you skip the sex scenes in the books? There were a ton. If you skipped those parts in the book than DVR the show so you can skip them. Otherwise QUIT complaining.

  217. Matt Kelly
    Posted June 28, 2011 at 12:07 pm | Permalink

    My criticisms:

    - Some skinny noob as Lord Beric? really?
    -Lack of Direwolves
    -Death of Jory scene not at night and raining (much more dramatic that way)
    -Whispering Wood too quick
    -Some weird sex scenes (littlefinger & whores = distracting)
    -No flashbacks (L+R=J – a “promise me” would have been sufficient)-Renly flaming, effeminate and afraid of blood (he’s supposed to be a court saavy Robert ten years ago)
    -Hound not bitter enough
    - Lannister armor’s “Japanese influence” was a fail; Goldcloaks looked goofy as well
    -Royalty outfits not regal enough – too drab; the difference of classes not that noticeable
    - The Hand’s tourney didnt look that expensive or crowded
    - Dany should have been in fire holding dragons and feuding khalasar should have been wowed into fealty
    -Where’s the Frey “heh!”?
    - Kingsguard armor would have been better all white and with more roman styled helmets
    -would have liked Robert to have been more loud when he got angry (described as turning purple and choking on his own rage many times)

    Otherwise, fantastic adaptation.

  218. KG
    Posted June 28, 2011 at 12:09 pm | Permalink

    RobTheGood,

    Besides, hunting was the sport of noblemen; dressing the kill is part of the “fun.”

  219. Targaryen Fanboy
    Posted June 28, 2011 at 12:23 pm | Permalink

    Wow where do I start? Overall I was so in love with the show. I didn’t miss the battles at all, or the direwolves. I would have loved a few panoramic shots of Kings Landing to show the scale. And the sexposition only bothered me very little. But after watching the entire first season I have to say I hate the term deleted scenes. This is without a doubt Martin’s story, but it’s not his show. This show belongs to Benioff and Weiss. If they choose to create their own scenes, it’s not deleted, it’s real and usually very well written. I hope 90% of season 2 is created scenes. That’s my biggest wish.

    I think Mark Addy has a special place in my heart. Robert Baratheon barely registered for me in the first book. But here he was real, VERY well acted, and a fully formed character. Natalie Tena as Osha, Jerome Flynn as Bronn, Sibel Kekilli as Shae, and Jason Momoa as Khal Drogo all made me love their characters.

    Overall acting? Nearly perfect. I dare you to find me one bad actor in the show. Standouts were Peter Dinklage, Emilia Clarke, Maisie Williams, Sean Bean, Mark Addy, Nikolaj Coster-Waldau, Lena Headey, Kit Harington, and Sophie Turner.

    The writing was superb, and the directing got better with every episode.

    I cried, cheered, laughed, and got mad. It was intellectually and emotionally satisfying. This is a great story being told in a whole new way! Bravo!!!!!!

  220. DocBean
    Posted June 28, 2011 at 12:44 pm | Permalink

    Am I the only one that’s going to say it?

    THE BIGGEST SCREWUP they had in season 1 was easily how short it was.

    10 episodes!!!???? What the Hell is that?!
    Even my wife, who hadn’t read the books couldn’t believe that the season was over. She said, “But it just got started.” and that’s exactly how it felt.

    We really need somewhere between 12 to 30 episodes to satisfy me.
    Come HBO, figure it out!

  221. Ed
    Posted June 28, 2011 at 12:45 pm | Permalink

    (Iiiiinnhaaaaaalllleee… eeexxxhhhaaaaalllee)

    Yeah, you’re right. :)

    Winter Is Coming:
    Ed, just breathe man. You shouldn’t let one random comment on the internet get you so worked up. :)

  222. Ed
    Posted June 28, 2011 at 12:47 pm | Permalink

    DocBean:
    Am I the only one that’s going to say it?

    THE BIGGEST SCREWUP they had in season 1 was easily how short it was.

    10 episodes!!!???? What the Hell is that?!
    Even my wife, who hadn’t read the books couldn’t believe that the season was over. She said, “But it just got started.” and that’s exactly how it felt.

    We really need somewhere between 12 to 30 episodes to satisfy me.
    Come HBO, figure it out!

    I think they figured it out, Doc, but they just didn’t have enough $$ to do more than that. Sadly, every single episode/scene/season is going to be a compromise of what they’d LIKE to do, and what they CAN do.

    And to their credit, they made *almost* all the right choices in Season One.

  223. KG
    Posted June 28, 2011 at 12:55 pm | Permalink

    The TV show will never look like the “movie in your head” because it is based on a book.

    *A book is one man’s mental images set on paper.* (One degree of separation)

    *A reader forms their own mental image* (Two degrees, and already there is a difference in what the reader imagines and what Martin intended)

    By the time you get to a TV adaptation, you have the degrees not only increasing, but multiplying:
    *Book to script writer to costume designer to production designer to director to actor to fight coach to FX team to etc etc.*

    That original, crystal clear intent of Mr. Martin’s becomes inescapably blurred with each person brought into the production. And yet – and YET – there is no denying that what is on screen is unmistakably A Song of Ice and Fire, in both intent and feel.

    And that, to me, is the mark of the best book adaptation ever set on screen. You should all be thankful, not bitchy.

    **For example, even though I looked right at the words on the page stating Jon Snow has dark hair and a long face … I swear to God in my head he looks like Peter MacNicol in Dragonslayer, and I have NO IDEA WHY.

  224. DocBean
    Posted June 28, 2011 at 1:07 pm | Permalink

    Ed,

    oh, I know. I’m just making a point that as good as this show was, it seemed to fly by. I don’t know that 10 weeks of my life has ever gone by so fast. It was the one thing I looked forward to on Sunday nights, it actually made me wish the weekend was over before it started sometimes.

    I would love 12 epsiodes, and if you look at the ratings I think 2 more episodes would have brought in even more viewers. I think 10 is ok for Season 1, but I’m shocked that they’re not shooting for 12 in Season 2. 10 is going to be too short now that they’ve developed a fan base.

  225. DocBean
    Posted June 28, 2011 at 1:19 pm | Permalink

    I think Roz was way worse then the Stable Boy, and he was awful.
    Her only redeeming quality was her body, which was quite nice.

    Her acting was horrendous, mostly because of her expression (which there was only one expression the whole season). Her upper lip doesn’t seem to work quite right, and how in the hell does Roz get more screen-time then most of the other minor characters. Get the Mountain on camera more, get The Hound on camera more, and for the love of God at least mention Beric at some point in more then one episode. They really should have had the line where Tywin was telling Tyrion that “There is some lord Eric, or Deric, or something, giving us problems…”

    I also thought Tyrion’s accent was flat out awful in the first couple episodes. “Look at me, and tell me what you see.” sounded like it was coming out of the Lucky Charms Leprechaun. However, once the season got going, I feel like Peter D. really hit his stride and started using either his real voice, or a more believable accent. He’s not the best actor on the series, but his performance did end up doing justice for the best character in the series. Sean Bean and Mark Addy both should win awards, Harry Lloyd and Jason Momoa were also great. I liked Cersei a lot, and thought she was perfect with the exception of her eyebrow coloring and eyebrow acting.
    Sansa and Arya were also both amazing. I’d wish we would have seen more of Bran too, because he was great.

  226. Alan
    Posted June 28, 2011 at 1:23 pm | Permalink

    Jaycel Adkins:
    Alan,

    LOL….I yield, Ser.

    I’ve gone 40 posts deep other places defending Sansa Stark, so I can appreciate your point of view.

    I’m with you on Sansa.

  227. DocBean
    Posted June 28, 2011 at 1:33 pm | Permalink

    Here’s what I want in Season 2:

    •I hope the makeup team figures out how to dye eyebrows for Cersei.
    •Animated direwolves (I’d prefer real dogs, but they dropped the ball on that one) and dragons in Season 2, hopefully they’ll nock that out of the park.
    •Green Fire! and lots of it.
    •A real Battle, or three.
    •and for the love of God kill more Horses or Stags!

  228. Pepi
    Posted June 28, 2011 at 1:42 pm | Permalink

    Matt Kelly,

    The way I see it, the hand’s tourney in the series was considered expensive mainly because of the rewards the first jouster and archer were to get.

    As for my thoughts; I didn’t mind all the sexposition, but some scenes were brutally long. Viserys-Doreah, Renly-Loras, Ros and some foreign gal in LF’s chambers… They could all be shortened for like… 2 mins or something. I liked Dany-Doreah scene… It was kinda cute. :D Pycelle-Ros scene was actually quite funny, and a good future investment(as i like to put it) so it wasn’t completely out of place, as many of you would say. And that pretty much covers my thoughts on GoT sex.
    The actors; Until the last episode, I weren’t convinced by three of them. Sophie Turner, Kit Harrington, Sibel Kekilli. Sansa totally nailed ep10, so yeh… Kit and Sibel remain. The rest of the cast was fantastic. I still remember the rantings caused by the idea of Mark Addy as Robert Baratheon. I weren’t too happy, either. Addy proved us wrong BIG TIME. At first I weren’t too happy with Cat and Lysa… They nailed it. I would also prefer McNeice and Halligan as Illyrio and Thorne, but hey… Allam and Teale did an alright job, so can’t rly complain.
    The scenery rocked. The Vale of Arryn, the Wall, the Twins… Everything perfect, and far better than I imagined it.

    Alright, now for the three things I liked the least. They were all mentioned already, but hell, here they come; The worst part of the whole season was the stableboy scene. It was stiff, poorly shot, poorly edited, poorly acted… It would be almost better not to have it at all. Secondly, why the hell did Pycelle speak in place of high septon? Hm… I totally forgot what the third thing was, so it probably wasn’t all that bad. Ow, actuallly.. I minded, that they didn’t show Jamie getting caught. Him cutting down a few Stark men in the woods wouldn’t be neither long, nor expensive… And it would completely satisfy my battle thirst for the season.

    Other than those few nitpicks… Everything rocked. I really hope that season 2 keaps the standards high. :D

  229. Matt Kelly
    Posted June 28, 2011 at 1:50 pm | Permalink

    Pepi,

    But in the books and in the show, “everyone” is in town for the Hand’s tourney, yet sixty people were there.

    What a lame “kingdom” :)

    And again, random weak dude as Lord Beric? Cahmaan!

  230. Shock Me
    Posted June 28, 2011 at 2:26 pm | Permalink

    Matt Kelly: Pepi, But in the books and in the show, “everyone” is in town for the Hand’s tourney, yet sixty people were there. What a lame “kingdom” :)And again, random weak dude as Lord Beric? Cahmaan!

    Agreed. This tourney looks more like how Joffrey’s much smaller name-day tourney should have looked in comparison to the Hand’s Tourney.

  231. Ed
    Posted June 28, 2011 at 2:37 pm | Permalink

    hahahahahahaaa… If that poor kid that played the Stableboy ever happens by these forums he’s gonna throw himself off a cliff!!

  232. KG
    Posted June 28, 2011 at 2:40 pm | Permalink

    Ed,

    Yeah, I think everyone is being pretty hard on the kid. Get yourself an agent if you think you can do better, folks.

  233. purplejilly
    Posted June 28, 2011 at 2:50 pm | Permalink

    Ed,
    Stableboy, if you ever wander by here, I think you did JUST FINE! I loved the way you said “Wolf Girl” in that mean kid’s voice : ) I blame bad editing for what happened to you and Maisie in that episode..

  234. purplejilly
    Posted June 28, 2011 at 3:16 pm | Permalink

    whatever happened to Nous Wanderer? He disaapeared around the same time the Smiling Knight got banned.. Could it be? . . . ?

    Or maybe Nous is still working on an epic post for like Episode 9, and he can’t stop.

    Searching for something to fill the GoT void, we put the BBC Robin Hood in our Netflix Instant Queue, because we heard Harry Lloyd/Viserys was in it, and watched one of the episodes last night, and Bonus! Josef Altin who plays Pyp is in it too! Looks like he is making a career out of being in Bands of Brothers, in the woods and all the Wall! It was fun. They were so young.. LOL.. 5 years ago for these boys is a long time!

  235. Shock Me
    Posted June 28, 2011 at 3:18 pm | Permalink

    Although I pictured Lena Heady when I read GoT, I pictured her as Catelyn. I enjoyed several of her added scenes such as those with Mark Addy about their marriage, the scene in which she is pretending to sympathize with Catelyn about “losing” Robert’s firstborn when she is really hoping Bran would just die, and the way she interpreted her scene with Ned near the fountain as if she couldn’t believe how much of a naive rube he was being.

    With the exception of MMD, I loved the acting of the Dothraki scenes. But, even MMD brought it in the final episode as she explained her reasoning to Daeny. Hampered by weak costumes, sets, and makeup (guyliner) the actors in the Dothraki still pulled it off. Loved the final look Daeny gives Jorah as she appears to go against her promise not to burn herself to death in the pyre.

    When reading the books, I was bored with the Dothraki POVs and put off when her army-in-law vanishes after all she had to go through to get there (heart eating, rape, saddle sores etc.) But the acting had me glued to Daeny’s scenes in the show.

    As it happens, most of the scenes where it all comes together mostly happened when the Stark girls were on camera. Arya and Syrio dancing as Ned watches, Sansa begging for Ned’s life, Arya hopelessly fighting her way through the crowd to rescue Ned and being caught by Yoren, Sansa fixing her muderous gaze on Joff before the Hound intervenes, Arya and Syrio’s final stand against the Lannister guardsmen and Ser Trant, Arya’s scene looming over Hot Pie saying “I like killing fat boys!”, Septa Mordane and Sansa in the hall below the Tower of the Hand when the Lannister’s come and the Septa’s tragic stillness as she waits for them as Sansa flees.

    And of course any scene with Mark Addy (“Wear it in silence or I’ll honor you again!”) I mean how many actors could make spousal abuse so compelling an activity?

    Maester Aemon speaking of duty “…even the little children”

    All the broken promises made to Arya
    All lies that Sansa swallows until it is too late
    How Robb’s best, as good as it was, wasn’t enough to save Ned or himself
    Tywin’s speech about family as he guts and skins the stag
    Tyrion’s breaking the wine goblet and explaining how dire the Lannister situation is now that they can’t trade Ned for peace with the North.
    Every one of Joff’s insecure vile little psychopath scenes (if that kid were on broadcast series he would need bodyguards if he even wanted to take a dump) That’s how good a job he is doing.

    Ow and my favorite of all that only got mentioned a few times: Old Nan and her story about the Long Night.

    GRRM is taking so long developing the kids I’m concerned we may never get to the climax of the series. Daeney wanders another continent, Arya chooses destinations and seldom reaches them, Sansa and Bran are basically prisoners to their situations, Jon is in cold storage, and everyone blames the Dwarf for everything and gives him credit for nothing.

    What the heck am I going to do with myself for two more weeks until ADwD ships?

  236. KG
    Posted June 28, 2011 at 3:38 pm | Permalink

    Shock Me: What the heck am I going to do with myself for two more weeks until ADwD ships?

    lol I have chosen to give my house a thorough cleaning. Lots of stuff going to Goodwill/eBay/Trash

  237. Shock Me
    Posted June 28, 2011 at 3:54 pm | Permalink

    KG: Shock Me: What the heck am I going to do with myself for two more weeks until ADwD ships?lol I have chosen to give my house a thorough cleaning. Lots of stuff going to Goodwill/eBay/Trash

    Sounds like a plan. Perhaps I could use all my vacation and take a flight to Germany and buy a leaked copy of ADwD from someone on Amazon.de?

  238. saluk
    Posted June 28, 2011 at 6:08 pm | Permalink

    I wanted to reply to a few comments about things taken from the book that felt flat, such as Arya’s first kill, and the direwolf pups scene. I think these are a few examples of situations where more effort to make them work reaps diminishing rewards. The poor acting by the stable boy didn’t help, but even if that had been brilliantly acted, I have a hard time envisioning it working much better. Arya never has time to noticably reflect on what has happened, and it’s these emotions which are important to the scene. I think it can really only be done justice when you are inside the character, as in the books. Similarly, the direwolf scene is a bit problematic, and felt flat, but I’m not sure how much it could be improved. Some things just don’t translate as well as you can expect them to from one medium to the next, and the best thing to do in those situations is move on quickly to more vibrant material.

    It can be especially difficult to know whether a scene will pop or fall flat until they are filming it, and with such a limited amount of time to make the show, there is not that much you can tweak once you are at that point. Writing a novel is a process of polishing and polishing the work until it sparkles, but filmmaking is the art of guiding chaos, setting up some dominos, and hoping they fall in the expected pattern.

    I think going forward everyone involved might have a better idea of what kinds of scenes work better than others, so maybe will be able to guide the material a little better with respect to these kinds of issues. Of course, with so many other things to worry about, I’m sure we will still see plenty of flaws…

    DocBean,

    It’s not a matter of money, or ratings, it’s a matter of time. They simply cannot do more than 10 episodes and expect to get them written, cast, filmed, effectified in time for next year. And since the series is so long in total (7 seasons or more expected) you can’t have them take any more time than a year between each season. The only way to do more episodes would be to rush, and we would get 12 episodes of ok tv instead of 10 episodes of great tv.

  239. Jaycel Adkins
    Posted June 28, 2011 at 6:59 pm | Permalink

    saluk,

    I think I read somewhere that they can only really do ten episodes due to the weather of Northern Ireland. Their window is basically that. They could move to somewhere else….but….that’s not ever going to happen.

    10 episodes and as many seasons as it takes, suits me fine. Doesn’t have a problem hitting the big 40 still nitpicking ASOIAF/GoT.

  240. GrzebykK
    Posted June 28, 2011 at 7:29 pm | Permalink

    I liked a lot:
    - Dreams coming true
    - The role of Tyrion
    - The Wall
    - The performance of Iain Glen as ser Jorah Mormont
    - Dance lessons

    I liked:
    - The development of khal Drogo character and Jason Momoa playing khal Drogo
    - Emilia Clarke showing change of Daenerys
    - Harry Lloyd showing the madness of Viserys
    - The booby introduction of Lysa Arryn
    - The oath scene
    - Robert & Cersei conversation; once they looked like a marriage
    - The dragons
    - Jon fighting the Other
    - Irri, Rakharo & Qotho speaking Dothraki
    - Music theme

    I’m satisfied with:
    - Young actors (except stable boy)
    - Sexpositions (except Littlefinger’s and Pycelle’s odd speaches to Ros)
    - The development of Richard Madden
    - The whole idea, that everobody’s actions are externally driven: Theon by Ros, Renly by Loras, Jon by Samwell
    - Joffrey going crazy
    - Empty hood of Jaqen
    - Hodor’s Hodor

    I have doubts about:
    - Aidan Gillen’s Littlefinger
    - Lack of life in Cat’s & Cersei’s characters; they are women fighting for their families, as I portraited them, but angry mums
    - Fake snow

    I disliked:
    - Bran climbing in Winterfell
    - Mia Soteriou as Mirri Maz Duur

  241. Knurk
    Posted June 28, 2011 at 8:08 pm | Permalink

    Jaycel Adkins: I think I read somewhere that they can only really do ten episodes due to the weather of Northern Ireland. Their window is basically that. They could move to somewhere else….but….that’s not ever going to happen.

    nah, I don’t think you read that somewhere. They’re in Northen Ireland from july to january, so they experience all kinds of shitty weather, a few extra shitty weather months doesn’t matter. It’s all about the money, 6 million per episode.

  242. Zack
    Posted June 28, 2011 at 8:55 pm | Permalink

    I pretty much agree with the common points.

    Cons:

    -WiC is totally right about the lack of scale to everything.
    -The prologue…required too much hoop jumping for folks to explain how Will suddenly appears in Winterfell. And I’m not feeling the White Walker appearance.
    -”The things I do for love”–where was the self loathing?
    -Outside of 4 of 5 exceptions, the score is nothing memorable.
    -Stableboy was awful.
    -I would have liked *something* for the Whispering Wood, to emphasize Grey Wind and Robb as a force to be feared, and to see Jaime’s battle prowess.
    -Which brings me to…Where were the direwolves? The show did not do enough to create a true feeling of a link between each dog and its master, to the point where they could have almost been omitted.
    -Not wild about Lena Headey at all, really, she seems to want to be playing a different character entirely from the one I know.
    -Bran climbing looked ridiculous.

    I worry about too much getting condensed or forgotten in subsequent seasons if they’re going to stick to 10 episodes every time. I’m pretty sure I’d stop watching an adaptation that cut out entire plotlines to fit that structure. And my favorite first season of a show remains Deadwood.

    Having got all that out of the way, the show featured a compellingly told narrative, well acted by 99% of those involved. The big important scenes were all nailed pretty perfectly. And Arya, Syrio, Ned, Viserys, Joffrey, Drogo, Jorah, Jon, Sam, Aliser Thorne, Old Nan, and of course Tyrion are particular standouts in a great cast…these faces are going to be who I see when I read the books from this point forward. I could go on, too, on that front. For every actor I wasn’t crazy about there were 4 or 5 who blew me away. And the overall atmosphere was spot on, the props and settings really were quite good. And of course, the dragons looked AMAZING.

    Gonna end this post now. Can feel my scatterbrained tendencies breaking free. Might post more later!

  243. Bro
    Posted June 28, 2011 at 9:20 pm | Permalink

    andrea,

    Because there were different directors for most of the episodes, I don’t think the blame can be laid at their feet. Maybe it was the adaption. It’s hard to pinpoint exactly how it’s might not be quite right. I think, as others have said before, that maybe cutting some of Jon’s more important scenes, ie his chat with Maester Aemon re Sam, was a mistake for character development.
    That’s why I think season 2 should give us so much more to grapple with regarding Jon.

  244. Jaycel Adkins
    Posted June 28, 2011 at 9:59 pm | Permalink

    Knurk,

    LOL…the fact that you said I didn’t only makes me sure that I did, nothing personal….just my personality.

  245. andrea
    Posted June 28, 2011 at 10:28 pm | Permalink

    Bro,

    Adaptations are tough, I know. We all want more and better. That’s life. But I love the show and think that there is no perfection, so…
    I would write more about this but my arguments seem ridiculous in english. It´s frustrating not being able to write in Castellano, or spanish as you say. I´m sorry.

  246. Linda Sigaty
    Posted June 28, 2011 at 11:22 pm | Permalink

    I have just spent hours reading every post. Didn’t read books but simply LOVE the series and can’t get enough of it. Now that it’s over I want to read about it to keep it alive and vibrant. Very interesting to read everything. I’m not as critical since I didn’t read books. Loved every episode, the drama, humor, wit, emotion, sentiments. Acting superb – characters came alive. Great dialogue. Ayra and Jon my favorites – she was so courageous and feisty, and he so vulnerable and sensitive.
    Looking forward to next season with much anticipation.

  247. Ed
    Posted June 29, 2011 at 1:02 am | Permalink

    So you’re saying they didn’t show ENOUGH of the Direwolves? (scratches head) I… I… I don’t understand.

    Zack:
    I
    -Which brings me to…Where were the direwolves? The show did not do enough to create a true feeling of a link between each dog and its master, to the point where they could have almost been omitted.

  248. Katrine Rosendal
    Posted June 29, 2011 at 2:47 am | Permalink

    In my mind, the most amazing moment of the entire season was Eddard pointing Arya out in the crowd for Yoren right before the chopping, exhaling “Baelor”. That was so beautiful; him making sure that Arya got out of there alive while being seconds away from becoming somewhat shorter. And just the fact that he saw her standing there on the statue which, iirc, he does not do in the book. It was such a moment of hope. Really, really beautiful.

  249. PatD
    Posted June 29, 2011 at 5:39 am | Permalink

    Searching for something to fill the GoT void, we put the BBC Robin Hood in our Netflix Instant Queue, because we heard Harry Lloyd/Viserys was in it, and watched one of the episodes last night, and Bonus! Josef Altin who plays Pyp is in it too!

    Ooo. Speaking whichof… have you ever seen the Robin of Sherwood series? Except for the bad ’70′s haircuts, that’d be a great way to make the next two weeks go by fast.

    (Love your posts and their energy, btw, jilly.)

  250. Ed
    Posted June 29, 2011 at 9:08 am | Permalink

    Actually, if you think about it, Ned did NOT think he was going to be shortened. Remember he had agreed to confess!!! So that was almost kind of a film flub.

    Katrine Rosendal:
    In my mind, the most amazing moment of the entire season was Eddard pointing Arya out in the crowd for Yoren right before the chopping, exhaling “Baelor”. That was so beautiful; him making sure that Arya got out of there alive while being seconds away from becoming somewhat shorter. And just the fact that he saw her standing there on the statue which, iirc, he does not do in the book. It was such a moment of hope. Really, really beautiful.

  251. HandmaidenofDany
    Posted June 29, 2011 at 4:44 pm | Permalink

    Ed,

    Not so! I think it was meant to show that he finally understood that he couldn’t trust anybody. So sad his moment of clarity came too late.

  252. Bro
    Posted June 29, 2011 at 8:48 pm | Permalink

    andrea,
    Ha, don’t worry about your english, it’s just fine. In fact it’s probably better than mine and it’s my first language! :L If you hadn’t told me it’s not yours, I would never have known!
    But I understand what you are trying to say. Next seaon Kit will be able to show much more of a range of emotions because of his character plots and I’m confident he’ll be able to do it justice.

  253. saluk
    Posted June 29, 2011 at 9:24 pm | Permalink

    Ed,

    Eh, head cut off or sent to the wall, either way Arya’s fate is still mostly out of his hands. Not to mention the immediate spectacle that he would maybe not want her to see, or at least have someone to be with her. Also, he might not have decided whether he would confess or not until the time came. I almost think he expected that even confessing it would still turn out the way it did. He looked surprised, but not exactly shocked.

  254. Eric Niewohner
    Posted June 29, 2011 at 11:46 pm | Permalink

    Lots of great comments but have to say I really agree with Alan’s take about readers nitpicks compared to non-readers raves of the series. He really makes an excellent point and one of my favorite things to do after an episode was to check out the non-reader comments as they were so positive and excited. Not that I don’t get some of the nitpicks, but if we had never read the books we wouldn’t have them because we wouldn’t be making the comparison.

    Overall I give the series a 95% and it is the best series of TV I think I have ever seen. I can never remember getting so excited as Sunday approached, and this includes the Sopranoes, Rome, Deadwood and the Wire, nor did I ever really take the time to go to a site and spend lots of time reading comments and posting about a show. I also have never felt a stronger sense of loss around a show’s season being over that GOT.

    The acting was phenomenal and like some others have pointed out even the minor characters shined. One scene that does not get enough credit was the way Sansa’s Septa walked towards the Lannister attackers while sending Sansa back to her rooms to protect Sansa even knowing that she was a dead woman walking was incredible. Really people that was probably the bravest thing we saw all season as she knows she is dead, she is no warrior and has no way of protecting herself, yet she faces her death with a dignity and bravery that was stunning, amazing little scene. I won’t go on about all the other actors as there were so many outstanding performance, but man I loved Dany, just loved her, and the dragon scene was everything I could have hoped for.

    I agree with lack of scale and direwolves, but didn’t have a problem with the sexposition, as one poster said it was really the only way in some cases to get some inner dialouge out.

    But overall just amazing and man do I miss it right now. Thankfully DWD is coming out very soon and will be immersed with reading it.

    As a person who picked up GOT back in 1996 to see scenes I have dreamed about put on the screen and for the adaptation to be so good I just feel lucky to be around to see it. Season 2 cannot come fast enough.

  255. andrea
    Posted June 30, 2011 at 12:53 am | Permalink

    Bro,

    Thanks, you´re very kind (Google help me with some words though). I dare to write some more then.
    In this season Jon is a volcano of emotions and to immature to handle it, plus the rejection he has to endure from Cateryn, and not knowing who his mother was and all that… It´s very sad when you think about it. I always remember when he says (to Sam): “But I wanted to be a ranger” … sounds like a little boy, poor thing.
    As someone says before, perhaps it´s true that his lines (or dialogues) don´t match whith his age or looks (in the series). But the actor is not to blame for this. Just need the character to mature a bit and then KH will have his revenge in Season 2.
    I HAVE A FAVOR TO ASK: GRRM´s books are not edited in Argentina or Latinoamérica (a mistery because as everyone knows we also read here), so I have to buy online and in english, (Dance with dragons I mean), because I don´t like the Spanish translation. We don´t speak european Spanish in Argentina. We have another accent and other ¿expressions?. So, can you tell me the price of the book there??? I think I saw 18/19 (euros). Is that right? I never bought anything online but have no other choice here in the beautiful and cold ass of the world. Thanks to all anyway.

  256. TheImp'sNose
    Posted June 30, 2011 at 5:04 am | Permalink

    Well, it certainly has been a pleasure browsing through these intelligent, well thought out comments.

    As a GRRM book reader since 1996, I can heartily concur that this season of television was far and away the best first season I’ve ever seen, and exceeding almost every expectation I had regarding a filmed adaptation of what six months ago I still considered unfilmable.

    GRRM is such a visual, cinematic writer anyway that I have been picturing a movie in my head the whole time, even having fun with other ASOIAF fans with dream casting, etc.

    For me, the series has nailed the most important stuff and got both the emotional and visual tone just right, and not only that but brought life to characters that I found stiff on the page (on occasion, not often).

    Everyone has brought up the nits I had, too (insane minds think alike)… some of the designs, the scope and the feel was “off” here and there, the discovery of the direwolf pups being a notable first instance. I have thought on this one, why I felt it lacked and I realized that the emotion I invested in this sequence as a reader may have come across corny onscreen if played up too “child’s chorus accompanied” mystical, and perhaps the knowledge of the direwolves (and what they become to the children) colors that scene with more emotion in hindsight- after all, had it been too dreamy and focused on it would have seemed pretty out of place as D & D are clearly staying “real” in their Westeros to make the magical elements stand out more when they do show up.

    Any variations from the book I dis-liked I can forgive, (I always have the bigger, grander scaled movie playing in my head as I read the books anyway)… HBO has fulfilled my wishes to see this filmed for a larger audience in ways I didn’t think would ever happen, so I am grateful. I think season 2 is going to be a REAL corker, blowing the lid soundly off this season, good as it is.

    I adore the cast, they are note perfect except in two regards (for me, anyway):

    Lena was my Catelyn Stark! She has been my Cat since I first saw her (the film I forget). The dark reddish hair, the grace, the strength. I want her to be playing Cat so badly it makes my teeth ache! Ah! It drives me nuts! She is doing… interesting things with Cersei, but she isn’t my “type” for Cersei at all. Glad she is in the cast, but man that will take me some adjustment time. I also hate the wig.

    The other casting thing? You guessed it, Fairley as Cat. She is a marvelous actress, and she is doing a pretty good job… but something isn’t “right” here for me, and not just considering the above. She dosen’t feel like Catelyn to me, not sure why. I’m sure both these ladies will kick my butt in next season and prove me wrong, but for now they are the only two in the cast that ring a tad wrong for me. Cheers!

    P.S. Peter’s “british” accent is rubbish, and he is way too physically attractive for the part, but he nails every aspect of Tyrion so perfectly, I couldn’t care less!

  257. Shock Me
    Posted June 30, 2011 at 1:03 pm | Permalink

    TheImp’sNose: Lena was my Catelyn Stark! She has been my Cat since I first saw her (the film I forget). The dark reddish hair, the grace, the strength. I want her to be playing Cat so badly it makes my teeth ache! Ah! It drives me nuts! She is doing… interesting things with Cersei, but she isn’t my “type” for Cersei at all. Glad she is in the cast, but man that will take me some adjustment time. I also hate the wig.

    Amen brother! I thought of her immediately especially after her performance as the the wife of Leonidas in 300. The other woman I thought of was Bridget Neilsen from Gladiator with the way she was terrified of her Emperor brother and yet still plotted against him.

    Unlike many people, I like her subtle portrayal of Cersei (despite the wig) as a manipulater with a convincing shield of pretend vulnerability. Her scenes with Catelyn, Sansa, and Robert really sold it for me.

    I am concerned, going forward, with her ability to seduce (although her chemistry with Sean Bean was amazing as well as bizarrely inappropriate for the scene by the fountain blurts out his suspicions). I just don’t see a man falling for someone who looks like she would be pleased to slit his throat if he got close enough. We shall see.

    Less than two weeks to go until ADwD. I just have to see if GRRM intends to leave me dangling alongside Brienne. As much as I want to see what happens to the others who have had no chapters in AFfC, it would be very cruel to leave us “hanging” until book 6 to know for sure what happens with Pod and his Ser Milady..

  258. Knurk
    Posted June 30, 2011 at 1:18 pm | Permalink

    andrea: I HAVE A FAVOR TO ASK: GRRM´s books are not edited in Argentina or Latinoamérica (a mistery because as everyone knows we also read here), so I have to buy online and in english, (Dance with dragons I mean), because I don´t like the Spanish translation. We don´t speak european Spanish in Argentina. We have another accent and other ¿expressions?. So, can you tell me the price of the book there??? I think I saw 18/19 (euros). Is that right? I never bought anything online but have no other choice here in the beautiful and cold ass of the world. Thanks to all anyway.

    Don’t they sell the English books in Argentina? If they don’t, just import it via Amazon.com (creditcard needed, but very reliable store). It has the cheapest price, 18$ is really a bargain considering the MSRP is twice as much (and most foreign countries sell the book for the MSRP, I have to buy it for 25 euros for example).

  259. andrea
    Posted June 30, 2011 at 4:36 pm | Permalink

    Knurk,
    Thank you so much. If you say that Amazon is safe, I´ll try. u$s 18 (dólar) it´s ok and I´ve credit car.
    No, they don´t sell the GRRMM books here, it´s a shame. Not in english or spanish. I read the other books online (in pdf).
    We´re further away than it looks or they believe that it´s no worthy? I don´t understand this mistery.
    Some people sell their old books online here but too expensive (100 euros) and for now I only want DwD. So, Amazon, here we go. Thank you again.

  260. andrea
    Posted June 30, 2011 at 11:48 pm | Permalink

    Knurk,

    I just bought the book at Amazon (pre-order) for u$s 18 plus u$s 10 more for shipping. Great, because I´ll have the book within one and half month (august)…. faster than I thought and for my birthday. Nice. Thank you!
    I must admit that I don´t like shopping online… gives me chills but it´s the only way for us down here. I´m glad.
    Now, I have to find the english dictionary.

  261. MysterE
    Posted July 1, 2011 at 2:26 pm | Permalink

    I thought HBO did a great job of bringing this amazing story to life.

    However…
    I think they made a huge mistake by having Ghost barking during the scene with the wight(s) at Castle Black. To the best of my recollection, the only sounds Ghost has ever made throughout this story were Ghost’s whimperings heard by Jon when he originally found the newborn pup.

    If I had a say in this story I’d tell them to remove all other sounds made by Ghost other than when he was discovered. When it gets released on DVD they can easily remedy the first season mistakes, but they should definitely keep Ghost mute for any future seasons, as intended by the real story.

    Just my $.02

  262. Linda Sigaty
    Posted July 1, 2011 at 6:26 pm | Permalink

    Well, as I wrote before, I didn’t read books yet and am glad because the comments about Ghost not barking, etc. just take away from the entralled excitement I felt while watching the series. So what if certain things were changed, deleted, etc….It was, to me, an utterly brilliant 10 episodes with art imitating life in every aspect. Sex is part of life and those scenes as well as others critisized, had a purpose in the overall context. The drama, humor, wit, sentimentality, poignancy, and beauty just mesmermized and fascinated me. I’m 70 years old, an intellectual, not a fantasy fan, but GOT was so real to me I felt like I was a part of every nuance and
    wanted to leap into the screen and be a part of the 7 kingdoms. I wanted to adopt Ayra, soothe Jon, stab Jof thru the heart, counsel Ned to be more prudent despite his admirable honor, strangle the Witch, and tell Tyrion it’s ok to be a dwarf because he is so talented and lovable. I thought Deadwood and Rome were the ultimate in entertainment, but GOT is just as Shakespearian poetic, brilliantly acted, visually spectacular, and has remained in my heart and mind so vividly. I enjoy watching episodes over and reading the posts as I cannot let go of these characters and the place in which they live. Like the ravens, I soar to the safe, wonderful Westeros, to retreat from the mundane of everyday living.

  263. Winter Is Coming
    Posted July 1, 2011 at 11:33 pm | Permalink

    Linda Sigaty, I love this post. I’m so glad people like you are getting into the TV series and getting a chance, for the first time, to become immersed in this world and these characters the way many of us have been for the past 2 or 3 or 5 or 10 years. I highly recommend you read the books, because you get to spend even more time with these characters and you get to know them even better when you get inside their heads.

    But your post puts into perspective a lot of our little complaints and nitpicks. David & Dan did a great job getting the essence of this story on screen. And it is evident in posts like yours. So thank you.

  264. andrea
    Posted July 1, 2011 at 11:42 pm | Permalink

    Linda Sigaty: but GOT is just as Shakespearian poetic, brilliantly acted, visually spectacular, and has remained in my heart and mind so vividly. I enjoy watching episodes over and reading the posts as I cannot let go of these characters and the place in which they live. Like the ravens, I soar to the safe, wonderful Westeros, to retreat from the mundane of everyday living.

    Yes! great! I, like you, always read other things, very little fantasy, but with GRRM books I was pleasantly surprised.
    Read the books Linda! I think you´ll love them. You´ll find themes and characters of (or from?) classic horror (Lovecraft), western, film noir as well as shakespearian poetic and drama. I felt a little bit alone with these ideas, I’m glad someone shares, I thought I was exaggerating. You´ll see: Bronn, Brynden, Dondarrion, so many others… they made me feel like a child yearning for adventure!!! Oh, wonderful!

  265. Shock Me
    Posted July 1, 2011 at 11:57 pm | Permalink

    This past week I’ve been re-reading the GoT and re-watching the show. Now that I’m not looking for missing scenes, I’ve been able to see many new things to appreciate about the HBO adaptation. Shae and her little smiles have really grown on me. I like her better than I ever did the book version. The chemistry between them is very subtle, but it is there. I may even be a bit upset when he eventually drives the Hand’s badge through her trachea.

    Although many of the choices in this production still puzzle me, I’m seeing more and more choices that I absolutely love. When I stopped listening for dialog that was missing I starting seeing facial expressions and reaction shots that were absolutely dead on. Letting go of my expectations made the show orders of magnitude better. And well I already loved it.

    Bring on season 2 baby!

  266. Ed
    Posted July 2, 2011 at 12:55 am | Permalink

    This just in: they also didn’t show the Direwolves enough and had too much Sexposition… Oh – and the Beatles broke up.

    MysterE:
    I thought HBO did a great job of bringing this amazing story to life.

    However…
    I think they made a huge mistake by having Ghost barking during the scene with the wight(s) at Castle Black.To the best of my recollection, the only sounds Ghost has ever made throughout this story were Ghost’s whimperings heard by Jon when he originally found the newborn pup.

    If I had a say in this story I’d tell them to remove all other sounds made by Ghost other than when he was discovered.When it gets released on DVD they can easily remedy the first season mistakes, but they should definitely keep Ghost mute for any future seasons, as intended by the real story.

    Just my $.02

  267. Epic the fantastic
    Posted July 2, 2011 at 4:10 am | Permalink

    Linda Sigaty,

    It is interesting to read parts of your post. I suppose your reaction can be an example with being an HBO ‘adventure show’ fan first. I thought you were going to come here from that camp and post a message like “Youse Guys! Don’t ever change!”.

    I agree with you that it is best to keep away from the books if you want the best adaptation experience–for any adaptation. On the other hand reading the books and complaining about the differences in a screenplay is a practice that is our due since time immemorial. There is a gland in the human brain just for saying “the book is better” as you leave the movie theater.

    The online GoT culture is founded on the people who loved the books so much they created databases and articles of facts gleaned from the books and public forums for people to discuss them. Some fans are unmoved by the differences in the show because it doesn’t change the books. Others, who perhaps wanted too much their favorite character to be true on screen as in the books, get emotionally involved as to be expected.

    The producers of Game of Thrones since the beginning have promised to be true to the books. I believe they have done all everything possible considering the budget and time constraints. Many fans with expectations too high are dealing with the lost/changed content without complaining too much IMO. And the reason they don’t complain too much is because even though a whole lot (so much more than a silent ‘ghostly’ dog) has been written out, and even though new sex scenes have been added to the limited time allowed, everyone knows we’re lucky to have 9 hours of finished film per book anyway.

    But you can’t expect them to not complain at all! Again, I turn your attention to the ‘book was better’ gland in the human brain. Speaking for myself I had no interest in Deadwood and who laughed at Rome, part of enjoying this unique show is reading and contributing to the body of nerdrage. Without the original material supporting it, this show would be nothing.

  268. Knurk
    Posted July 2, 2011 at 9:43 am | Permalink

    andrea:
    Knurk,

    I just bought the book at Amazon (pre-order) for u$s 18 plus u$s 10 more for shipping. Great, because I´ll have the book within one and half month (august)…. faster than I thought and for my birthday. Nice. Thank you!
    I must admit that I don´t like shopping online… gives me chills but it´s the only way for us down here. I´m glad.
    Now, I have to find the english dictionary.

    glad you’ll be able to read the book! I think you’ll have the book sooner than August by the way. I don’t know how the postal system is in Argentina, but when I order something via Amazon (US) that has to be delivered to Europe via standard shipping I receive it in two weeks while the expected shipping time was much longer. BTW, I love it that you’re so happy you’ll have the book in August, I’d literally die if I had to wait that long after july 12 haha. Then again, I’m already waiting 10 years on the damn book.

  269. Linda Sigaty
    Posted July 2, 2011 at 2:54 pm | Permalink

    Thank you Epic, WIC, Andrea for your feedback. I’m uplifted by your responses. Never have posted before and feel like I’m now part of a fantasy family.
    Epic, I too have a gland in my brain that discerns and elevates a book when compared to seeing it transposed to the big screen. “The Stand” by King was a terrible movie, “Madame Bovary” and “Les Miserables” suffered when transposed to movies. And more, too numerous to name. Wasn’t trying to be harsh to the book readers, was only writing from my perspective. Books do capture the essence of characters and events that no other medium can capture –in how we are inspired, what we absorb, even self-reflection. I have collected books for years and some of them are so precious to me that I would be offended if just one sentence was changed in translation. I do intend to read Martin’s books to augment by leaps and bounds the intensity I felt when watching GOT.
    Sorry, Epic, you weren’t impressed with Deadwood/Rome. I found them to be rich and nourshing. Also enjoyed Boardwalk Empire, did you watch it?
    Hope to continue our communication — this is enlightning!!

  270. andrea
    Posted July 2, 2011 at 5:26 pm | Permalink

    Knurk,

    Yes I´m happy!
    Must confess I started reading the books after seeing the chapter where Littlefinger tells Ned: “I told you not to trust me”. I was so shocked that I opened my laptop and frantically (?) looked for where to begin reading and so when I found the books (pdf) I devoured one after another, almost without sleep .
    I believe by that fact comes mi composure: I didn´t have to wait long for ADwD.
    Do not forget that I´m much further away than you are, but if they arrive before August… I´ll be much happier!!! Still looking for my english dictionary though
    and rereading books 1-4 in english to be ready for the new one. Don´t die! Just a few more days and you´ll have it in your hands. Enjoy it!

  271. Knurk
    Posted July 2, 2011 at 5:44 pm | Permalink

    andrea: Don´t die!

    thanks for the encouragement haha.

  272. andrea
    Posted July 2, 2011 at 6:31 pm | Permalink

    Linda Sigaty,

    Hola de nuevo! I believe that I should apologize with you for my weak english as I did with everyone else here. I do my best. Be patient and forgiving, please.
    I agree with you: Is generally true that the books are better than their film adaptations but there are exceptions also. Did you read Betrayal by Harold Pinter? The film adaptation of this play is almost perfect for me (I know that Pinter was involved but still).
    I think that we can enjoy both the depth of the books as well as the opportunity to see become real and alive (or really dead) on screen those characters we´ve learn to love (or hate) in the books thanks to the wonderful cast of season 1 (surely in season 2 will be just as good).
    And yes, GoT it´s a great adaptation no matter how much we (readers) complain. We should be just as grateful as you are!

  273. jude
    Posted July 2, 2011 at 7:53 pm | Permalink

    userj,

    I don’t understand why people would have a problem with him skinning the stag by himself – I mean, other that the fact that he is obviously rich enough to have hired help, the symbolism was what was important. Tywin is very much a man who likes things done a certain way, and it showed that he is *willing* to get his hands dirty, and that he isn’t the type to have his men do the less-than-desirable work for him (a very good foil to Cersei, and to Joffrey as well). He knows how powerful he is, and knows when to use that power and when not to.
    I loved this scene, loved the dynamic between the two. Jamie’s eyes, and not his words, did everything to show how much he was cowering in front of his father.

  274. Kingthlayer
    Posted July 2, 2011 at 10:44 pm | Permalink

    Linda Sigaty:
    Thank you Epic, WIC, Andrea for your feedback.I’m uplifted by your responses.Never have posted before and feel like I’m now part of a fantasy family.
    Epic, I too have a gland in my brain that discerns and elevates a book when compared to seeing it transposed to the big screen.“The Stand” by King was a terrible movie, “Madame Bovary” and “Les Miserables” suffered when transposed to movies.And more, too numerous to name.Wasn’t trying to be harsh to the bookreaders, was only writing from my perspective.Books do capture the essence of characters and events that no other medium can capture –in how we are inspired, what we absorb, even self-reflection.I have collected books for years and some of them are so precious to methat I would be offended if just one sentence was changed in translation.I do intend to read Martin’s books to augment by leaps and bounds the intensity I felt when watching GOT.
    Sorry, Epic, you weren’t impressed with Deadwood/Rome.I found them to be rich and nourshing.Also enjoyed Boardwalk Empire, did you watch it?
    Hope to continue our communication — this is enlightning!!

    For me, and I might be in the minority of the book reading crew, the fact that things were left out and slightly changed is 100% a-ok. The reason being is that my first comment about the story (in conversations about both book and tv show) is always about how masterfully the story is told. The tv show gives one representation of the story, the book another but it’s still the same, vibrant story. I recommend the book for it’s fullness. It takes the details on the periphery of the show and expands them in magnificent and enlightening ways that the show does not have time to explore. In college I had a professor describe Shakespeare’s sonnets as a clock. Every piece of the poems, large or small, work in such a perfect way that the entire product can tick smoothly and can be at the same time simple and complicated but always beautiful. I’m not sure the Bard’s sonnets struck me as so magical but I thought of that metaphor when I read this story. Every piece, every detail, every character works in whatever small way for the greater good of the tale. When things change, plots twist or truths are revealed the revelations make such complete sense that the story can move without hiccup and the reader becomes so deeply enthralled. With other stories, when a plot twist is so completely unlikely given the reader’s knowledge of a character, it’s difficult for me to continue since the author seems to only want to shock me. GRRM seems to be more concerned about telling a story that works like a clock. He compliments the reader by not spoon feeding and impresses by making everything work in ways that are hard to question. I think the story is so well written that the writers of the tv show have an easy job. If they stick to the outline, they can’t mess it up. And I don’t think they will.

  275. Linda Sigaty
    Posted July 3, 2011 at 1:42 am | Permalink

    Andrea, your english is just fine, you are a delight to read!! I have not read Harold Pinter’s Betrayal — read mostly english and french classics, historical, philosophy books. After watching GOT I feel compelled to read all of GRRM to make my experience complete.

    Kingthlayer, very astute and interesting post, beautifully written – love your sensitivity–and the clock metaphor. I do find Shakespeare magical – just read a book “Will In The World-How Shakespeare became Shakespeare” by Stephen Greenblatt. He brilliantly evokes the world in which Shakespeare lived and worked–its religious passions, folk festivals, holiday celebrations, love of music, poetry, dance, pageantry and spectacle. Shakespeare’s genius was his uncanny ability to take the old and make it new and timeless. You could say the same about GRRM and his remarkable ability to create timeless characters who live on vibrantly and never become stale or superfluous. I’m very eager to read all of GRRM’s books to experience a deeper and fuller rendition of what has been so breathtaking to watch.

  276. loco73
    Posted July 4, 2011 at 5:39 pm | Permalink

    Fresh of off a “Game Of Thrones” marathon, courtesy of my On-Demand feature, here are my two cents about the show and its first season…there is not much I can add, nor do I want to, because I would be nitpicking at something that needs it not!

    There are few shows and movies that make a lasting impression on me…those that do I could count on the fingers of my hands! “Game Of Thrones” is definitely one of those, a show I am thankful for, still have to pinch myself to realize it has become a reality, and have really nothing to complain about! If it gets any better than this, that would be icing on the cake!

    I have seen that people have a problem with the sex scenes, the lack of a more vivid battle scenes instead as depicted in the show and a few others. I really see those a non-issues. Is the show perfect? No! But then nothing ever is in life or otherwise! I must add that if I have to choose between showing a 10-20 minute battle scene, that could jeopardize the long-run of the show, I would rather have them shortened or eliminated where not needed. I, personally, would prefer to have a full series run, with the whole saga of “A Song Of Ice And Fire” being told, instead of having the show cancelled because it became too expensive to produce!!! Its not like HBO can’t film battle scenes, that was well proven in mini-series like “Band Of Brothers”, “The Pacific”, “Generation Kill” and series like “ROME”. Yes, it wasn’t until the second season of “ROME” and the battle of Phillipi that we got to see the Romans fight, but it was well worth it. Besides since the time “ROME” came out, special effects have been refined and can be done cheaper than before. With HBO its not a matter of scale and skill, they certainly seem to know what they are doing and I am not about to doubt the good folks over at the “Game Of Thrones” camp. The battles will be shown when needed and appropiate, and I’m fine with that.

    As for the whole issue with the sex scenes, so freaking what?!?!? I never found them gratuitous or out of place, including Littlefinger’s sexposition. It fit in with the story and made sense the way it was shot! For crying out loud, this is a series for adults, and I am glad it it is threated that way, and hope that D&D and George RR Martin stick to this formula and keep the show uncompromising and unflinching!

    At the end of the day, for me, the show has been and will always be about the story and the characters, its essence, ideas, imagination and originality. That is what makes it great to my mind. The cast, directors, producers, special effects, cinematography and the rest of the production values are top notch and first class. I could not have asked for more!

    I love all characters, but for me personally, I can literally identify most with Tyrion Lannister, Jon Snow, and Daenerys Targaryen…since my own life journey mirrors quite a lot of theirs, minus the dragons, The Wall and the Night’s Watch, and well whatever Tyrion’s excesses entail…LOL! Their life journeys bring back some memories of my own life and times, and that is what makes me love the books and the series…I guess I am selfish that way!

    My one ardent wish, which I know has been debated to no end, would be that Bear McCreary would be hired for “Game Of Thrones” and score its soundtrack! I have no issue whatsoever with Ramin Djawadi. He has done an admirable job with the music in “Game Of Thrones, better than I expected, especially since I was one of his early detractors. Still I think that Bear McCreary and “Game Of Thrones” would be a perfect match! That man’s music touches my mind, heart and soul, and I cannot explain it better than that. I think given the chance he could do the same for other ASOIF fans!

  277. kyrski
    Posted November 29, 2011 at 9:41 pm | Permalink

    THANK YOU. dany emerging with hair actually ticked me off. more so because it fed into the fact that we associate long hair with being sexy and for her to be bald meant she’d be less feminine, therefore less sexy, which is a stupid media mentality, and to see her bald would have been amazing. her character was exhibiting raw, natural power that was bogged down by the mere inaccuracy that she came out with her beautiful hair still intact.
    educatedpony,

  278. Benji
    Posted December 9, 2011 at 5:05 am | Permalink

    I havnt yet read the books but a workmate lent me the series and after becoming an addict, ive pretty much read everything i could find (online) RE: the show. I agree with the scale issue. It was the only real let down for me and while the individual Dothraki hordsmen were capable of instilling a kind of fear/martial resect, the lack sheer numbers made them feel like less of an actual threat to the realm. Was this really a funding issue? Cos it didnt seem like funding was one of the constraints places on this show and it would seem a strange way of cutting costs.

    HAHA I still cant believe people are criticising the show for being unnecessarily Violent/sexualised. Sex and violence are a part of life, even more so throughout the middle ages so if you dont like it, why watch? Aside from that, wasnt it almot tame when compared with said contemporaries like Spartacus or Rome? -Both of which were hardly explicit or pornographic. And just how would you have demonstrated the barbaric nature of the Dothraki without a little sex and violence?

    Either way, such things surely pale in comparison to the amazingly detalied costumes, breathtaking cinematography and the cast’s execution of the well poilished dialogue.

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