Report: Karl Davies cast as… Alton Lannister?
By Winter Is Coming on in Casting, Speculation.

Karl DaviesA tiny bit of casting news, British actor Karl Davies has reportedly been cast to play a character named Alton Lannister. He has been seen on set and his CV confirms it (see what happens when you wait to release casting news, HBO?). Davies has appeared on the small screen in the UK in roles in the British soap Emmerdale and more recently in the comedy/drama series Kingdom. This looks to be his first role in a US production.

In the books, there is no Alton Lannister. So it is unclear who Davies may be playing in the show. Reports from the set indicate he may be filling the role of Cleos Frey from the books. Cleos has a Frey father but his mother is a Lannister, so maybe they reversed his parents to give him that last name. In the books, Cleos fights for Jaime Lannister and gets captured by Robb Stark along with Jaime in the Battle of the Whispering Wood. His big role in the story however doesn’t come about until the third book, A Storm of Swords. Assuming Davies is playing the Cleos character, this lends further credence to my theory of them moving up a certain storyline from book three into the second season.

Winter Is Coming: Well this is better than no casting news, I guess. Questions abound though. Who is Davies playing? If it is Cleos, why did they change his name and make him a Lannister? And if it is not supposed to be Cleos, than who is Alton Lannister and what is his role in the story?


145 Comments

  1. jellydonut
    Posted July 30, 2011 at 12:19 pm | Permalink

    Why do they keep making unnecessary changes? There are lots of changes I could get behind, but they never make those. They just change things that don’t need changing, for the plot, pacing, cutting or any other reason.

    Bah. Don’t mind my whining, I know it’ll be a great season either way, I just think this is silly.

  2. The Rabbit
    Posted July 30, 2011 at 12:22 pm | Permalink

    Strange thing.

    Do the reports say he was seen at the Robb Stark s camp?

  3. Andy Tabelz Tabeling
    Posted July 30, 2011 at 12:22 pm | Permalink

    I actually think the timing of the Jaime plotline could definatly be moved to S2. It doesn’t get that serious until the RW and he’s back in King’s Landing by then.

  4. Nick Larter
    Posted July 30, 2011 at 12:28 pm | Permalink

    They could have made him a Lannister bastard – not sure what they call bastards in the Westerlands, but Alton Towers would work for me :D

  5. Kate
    Posted July 30, 2011 at 12:31 pm | Permalink

    It’s just me or the CV doen’t mention GoT anymore?

    Nick Larter,

    Hill. It would be Alton Hill.

  6. KG
    Posted July 30, 2011 at 12:34 pm | Permalink

    Who is the Lannister kid kidnapped during the riots? Tyrek, that’s the one … They might be shuffling that storyline around to spare the expense of filming a riot.

  7. DaveB
    Posted July 30, 2011 at 12:36 pm | Permalink

    Kate,

    Maybe they’re creating more prisoners to aid Jaime in his first escape attempt.

  8. paulgude
    Posted July 30, 2011 at 12:37 pm | Permalink

    Between this and the Asha/Yara name change it seems like there’s a move to separate the show from the books a bit more. Perhaps in preparation for a bigger change down the road? Regardless, GRRM said just last night in Seattle that D&D involve him every step of the way (and joked that sometimes they even listen to him) and that they care deeply for the source material. I’m more than willing to give them the benefit of the doubt, and if the show does end up veering away from the books, I expect it to still be a good show.

    Plus, with A Dance with Dragons out now I can let the show be the show rather than a surrogate for the books, at least for a little while.

  9. SugarVampire
    Posted July 30, 2011 at 12:39 pm | Permalink

    I think Winter has the right idea.

    To explain that Cleos Frey is on the side of Lannister at this point of the story might be too clunky and confusing. Even after reading the books multiple times, it is hard for me to keep track of all the lineage of various Freys without checking the appendix.

  10. youandwhosearmy
    Posted July 30, 2011 at 12:40 pm | Permalink

    jellydonut:
    Why do they keep making unnecessary changes? There are lots of changes I could get behind, but they never make those. They just change things that don’t need changing, for the plot, pacing, cutting or any other reason.

    We know next to nothing about this change, so how do you know it’s unnecessary?

  11. paulgude
    Posted July 30, 2011 at 12:42 pm | Permalink

    Off topic (sort of), I grew up 13 miles NE of Alton, Illinois. It was home of Robert Wadlow, “The Alton Giant.”

    So, every time I hear is name, it’s going to be a weird disconnect. Luckily, I’ll probably be one of the very few to have this problem.

  12. Tar Kidho
    Posted July 30, 2011 at 12:48 pm | Permalink

    Alton? No matter what last name they give him, it seems a good fit for Yara. Alton and Yara, Yara and Alton. Yep, goes well together…

    (I don’t really like casting announcements or rumours that actually raise more questions than they solve ;-)

  13. Nick Larter
    Posted July 30, 2011 at 12:51 pm | Permalink

    Maybe they are going to have extra scenes between Jaime and other prisoners, like eg; Willem Lannister but they had to rename Willem to Alton to avoid confusion with Willem, the rent-boy from Oldtown who they have created for some S2 sexposition.

  14. Mirax
    Posted July 30, 2011 at 12:51 pm | Permalink

    KG: Who is the Lannister kid kidnapped during the riots? Tyrek, that’s the one … They might be shuffling that storyline around to spare the expense of filming a riot.

    They could be changing his name so that they don’t have Tyrion, Tywin, and Tyrek to keep straight. Or they could be renaming of one of the Lannister boys captured at the Whispering Wood. You know, the ones that the Karstark kills. Maybe they’ll be Jaime’s cellmates so it will have more impact when they are murdered.

  15. Jay Bushman
    Posted July 30, 2011 at 12:51 pm | Permalink

    KG,

    I’d bet on Tyrek as well. An easy change to keep him separated from Tyrion and Tywin.

  16. Winter Is Coming
    Posted July 30, 2011 at 12:53 pm | Permalink

    The Rabbit: Do the reports say he was seen at the Robb Stark s camp?

    Yes, just got some further info. He was at Robb’s camp and was brought into the tent with Robb and his lords, all bloodied and beaten, and apparently was being given terms to take back to King’s Landing. Which is what Cleos does in the books.
     

    Kate: It’s just me or the CV doen’t mention GoT anymore?

    It is the first credit under the “Television” tab. Although I wouldn’t be surprised if it disappears soon like the others did. Because god forbid we actually find out who will be in the show!

  17. Jim Ticka
    Posted July 30, 2011 at 12:55 pm | Permalink

    I don’t know why they wouldn’t just go with Cleos Lannister if they were still filling that role. Cleos is a good name.

    I don’t think they should change the Frey thing anyways, its a good primer on the intermingling of families.

  18. DaveB
    Posted July 30, 2011 at 12:57 pm | Permalink

    Winter Is Coming: Yes, just got some further info. He was at Robb’s camp and was brought into the tent with Robb and his lords, all bloodied and beaten, and apparently was being given terms to take back to King’s Landing. Which is what Cleos does in the books.

    Though…if he’s taking the place of Cleos, why not just call him Cleos Lannister?

  19. darrylzero
    Posted July 30, 2011 at 12:59 pm | Permalink

    This doesn’t quite add up to me. Why would Catelyn send a Lannister with Brienne & Jaime? Could this be related to the attempt to break Jaime out?

  20. Petter Kristian Vikestad
    Posted July 30, 2011 at 1:01 pm | Permalink

    A likeable Lannister for the viewers, so they get extra sad when Karstark decap him?

  21. Tyrion's Scar
    Posted July 30, 2011 at 1:02 pm | Permalink

    When you say a certain story line might be moved to the second book do you mean the RW? Sorry for being behind.

  22. draciaveil
    Posted July 30, 2011 at 1:06 pm | Permalink

    My guess is that they’ll combine Cleos’s and Willem’s roles, and have this new character sent to King’s Landing with terms and then possibly have him participate in the escape attempt… but then not send him to King’s Landing with Jaime and Brienne, and have him be the one killed by Karstark. And since they’re combining two characters, they thought they should give him a new name? Just a guess.

  23. darrylzero
    Posted July 30, 2011 at 1:09 pm | Permalink

    Never mind, I’m stupid, didn’t think that through. They are going to actually show the escape attempt, though, right?

  24. Astalnar
    Posted July 30, 2011 at 1:11 pm | Permalink

    Nick Larter,

    They call them Hill. That is noble bastards in Westerlands.

    Also it would be a bit weird when it is not Emmon Frey who gets control of Riverrun. That is important, since it is Freys who want to have hold of Riverrun, It does not mean a damn thing to Lannisters.
    Not to mention that he is too young to be Cleos. Cleos had 2 children of his own, both squires, so he was at least 35 when he dies.
    He could replace place of Cleos as a messenger to Tyrion, because we have to see that commando action Tyrion came up with and if they realy want to they can have this Altos accompany Jaime and Beauty, but then they have to change in ACOK that whom Lord Karstark kills is actual Cleos Frey, otherwise having Gemma Lannister talking about Cleos to Jaime does not make any sense whatsoever.

  25. KG
    Posted July 30, 2011 at 1:15 pm | Permalink

    paulgude,

    I have a friend who lives there these days – first thing I thought of lol

  26. saluk
    Posted July 30, 2011 at 1:17 pm | Permalink

    Alton is Tyrion’s long lost emo bastard son who will end up at the wall and have fun adventures with snow. Later Tyrion adopts the orphan Snow and they become brothers, and good friends.

  27. Shinyteapot
    Posted July 30, 2011 at 1:19 pm | Permalink

    Kate,
    paulgude,

    Everyone in the UK has heard of this place- and most have probably been there http://www.altontowers.com/theme-park/

    Silly name aside, I’d guess he’s either a Lannister captive for Jaime to talk to or involved in the attempted breakout? Or both.

  28. radio
    Posted July 30, 2011 at 1:24 pm | Permalink

    Sounds like its definitely a Cleos Frey stand in.

    This is probably a good thing because if they didn’t change his name they would have to include an astonishingly graphic seven minute lesbian sexposition scene explaining why a Frey was fighting for the Lannister’s which my friends wife would inevitably walk in on me and my friend watching and then lead to another hurried explanation that we weren’t watching a porno honest, it was just one scene!

  29. purplejilly
    Posted July 30, 2011 at 1:40 pm | Permalink

    DaveB: Though…if he’s taking the place of Cleos, why not just call him Cleos Lannister?
    DaveB

    Cleos sounds like a southern redneck from the US, so maybe they decided it didn’t go well together.

  30. purplejilly
    Posted July 30, 2011 at 1:42 pm | Permalink

    I’m actually kind of excited by the casting of a character I don’t know, who isn’t in the books, because that means I won’t know what’s going to happen – sort of a cool thing, you know we’re spoiled on everything else because having read the books, we know what is going to happen. So I really like hearing this casting news about the mystery boy, Alton Lannister – gives my imagination room to run in fun directions!

  31. Lord Two Feathers
    Posted July 30, 2011 at 1:42 pm | Permalink

    purplejilly: Cleos sounds like a southern redneck from the US, so maybe they decided it didn’t go well together.

    LOL! Good one PJ………A good ole boy YEEEEHAAA!

  32. Jay
    Posted July 30, 2011 at 1:45 pm | Permalink

    DaveB,
    Because Cleos sounds too much like… Catelyn…

    But yeah, I think this is more likely to do with Jaime’s breakout. Changing Cleos’ house doesn’t really make sense to be Catelyn’s bodyguard of choice.

  33. Dreamlife
    Posted July 30, 2011 at 1:48 pm | Permalink

    Another family member for Cersei to have sex with?

    Joking, joking. I shall withhold judgement until we get further details. He’s cute, and that’s always a plus :)

  34. Chris77
    Posted July 30, 2011 at 1:50 pm | Permalink

    Well Alton remnds me of Alton DeVir from the Forgotten Realms novels of my youth…
    Cleos is a fine name. I think they might use him as Tyrek sustitute. I just wonder why they keep on casting nonblondes as Lannisters… Another Wigwedidiwigwiggate:)

  35. the blind girl
    Posted July 30, 2011 at 1:56 pm | Permalink

    I agree that they’re probably just adding a Lannister for the breakout. I don’t see why they would change Cleos’ name.

    I want more interesting casting news! Still wondering who Ygritte is gonna be played by. Still want it to be Lily Cole

    I’m really eager to see what plot lines they’re adding to the second season…and how it’s only gonna be 10 episodes

  36. JPBronze
    Posted July 30, 2011 at 2:01 pm | Permalink

    As long as they don’t deviate as much as Allen Ball did with Trueblood. My wife, who loved the books, goes into rages when she watches the show because it is soooo vastly different from the books.

    I hope GoT does not follow that route, but so far, so good.

  37. Kana
    Posted July 30, 2011 at 2:04 pm | Permalink

    draciaveil,

    This sounds reasonable to me. Cleos was never that likeable in the first place and nobody cared when he died anyway, combining him with another character would make sense. Jaime and Brienne making the trip alone wouldn’t change anything important, and would remove the precious few minutes it would take to kill off someone nobody cares about.

  38. the goat
    Posted July 30, 2011 at 2:04 pm | Permalink

    draciaveil: My guess is that they’ll combine Cleos’s and Willem’s roles, and have this new character

    Seconded, especially given what WiC said.

    Easier to follow if he’s a Lannister. Not sure about the first name change, though.

  39. Winter Is Coming
    Posted July 30, 2011 at 2:07 pm | Permalink

    Holy crap. I just had to go in and add spoiler tags to about a dozen different comments. Hope no one who hadn’t yet read book two was reading through here otherwise they would already know Jaime’s entire season two storyline. :/

    Please spoiler tag your comments people!

  40. DaveB
    Posted July 30, 2011 at 2:08 pm | Permalink

    purplejilly: Cleos sounds like a southern redneck from the US, so maybe they decided it didn’t go well together.

    But Alton Lannister? Now he sounds like a food show host.

  41. DaveB
    Posted July 30, 2011 at 2:10 pm | Permalink

    purplejilly: I’m actually kind of excited by the casting of a character I don’t know, who isn’t in the books, because that means I won’t know what’s going to happen – sort of a cool thing, you know we’re spoiled on everything else because having read the books, we know what is going to happen. So I really like hearing this casting news about the mystery boy, Alton Lannister – gives my imagination room to run in fun directions!

    Agreed. I’d love to watch the show and actually be surprised once or twice. Maybe that’s just it. They’re throwing a new minor character in, just so the book readers have SOMETHING new.

    This is the part where the book readers say they don’t want anything new.

  42. Bono
    Posted July 30, 2011 at 2:12 pm | Permalink

    I think that we will see in season 2 scene when Catelyn is releasing Jaime in Riverrun

    MOD EDIT: Spoiler tag your post next time!

  43. Franny Bee
    Posted July 30, 2011 at 2:12 pm | Permalink

    My first guess was that he’ll take over Podrick Payne’s role… Tyrion’s nifty little squire gets aged up and becomes a Lannister. Everything else remains the same.

    I also like the Tyrek idea. Very possible.

  44. Saso Alauf
    Posted July 30, 2011 at 2:17 pm | Permalink

    Dreamlife,

    That’s the first thing I thought of…he brings a message to the Red Keep, then he gives Cersei a massage…

  45. purplejilly
    Posted July 30, 2011 at 2:21 pm | Permalink

    DaveB: But Alton Lannister? Now he sounds like a food show host.

    Or a soap opera tycoon character.
    “Alton Lannister, CEO of Lannister Industries”
    but wait! He’s got Amnesia! and an evil twin! (lol)

  46. Phil Gate$
    Posted July 30, 2011 at 2:47 pm | Permalink

    Sounds like someone in the HBO “creative department” trying to justify their job.
    I’ll agree with the idea that he replaces Pod, that’s an idea just bad enough to be true.

  47. Wolfheart
    Posted July 30, 2011 at 2:53 pm | Permalink

    Bah, as long as it helps the story not hurt it.

  48. Coltaine777
    Posted July 30, 2011 at 2:53 pm | Permalink

    Ok….this name change I don’t understand at all…D/D have some explaining to do …This is brutal …..

  49. Wolfheart
    Posted July 30, 2011 at 3:02 pm | Permalink

    the blind girl:
    I agree that they’re probably just adding a Lannister for the breakout. I don’t see why they would change Cleos’ name.

    I want more interesting casting news! Still wondering who Ygritte is gonna be played by. Still want it to be Lily Cole

    I’m really eager to see what plot lines they’re adding to the second season…and how it’s only gonna be 10 episodes

    Lily Cole I doubt. She’s to tall. And ygritte needs to look more wild. Not a HOT wildling. She MAY get cast. With David and Dan crunching story and most of her stuff in book three they may just wait till season 3 to introduce her. And IF she gets cast in season 2 it may be a new actress or unheard of one. And she may get very little screen time.

  50. Lex
    Posted July 30, 2011 at 3:09 pm | Permalink

    Yeah, not down with the name changes. Yara is bad enough (I LOVE the name Asha)… but Alton??? Doesn’t sound like a Westeros name at all. What’s wrong with Cleos Lannsiter?

  51. the blind girl
    Posted July 30, 2011 at 3:13 pm | Permalink

    Wolfheart: Lily Cole I doubt. She’s to tall. And ygritte needs to look more wild. Not a HOT wildling.

    I dont know, they never really describe her as being ugly, and look who they cast as Brienne! I think she’s gorgeous. She is too tall but is that really significant? I bet they can make her look pretty wild when she’s in costume and her hair is is all fiery and crazy. I just think she has the perfect ephemeral beauty for the part.

    I hope they cast her for this season, and Gilly! What about Gilly? She’ll probably be a new actress

  52. dimensionallyt
    Posted July 30, 2011 at 3:19 pm | Permalink

    Nick Larter: Maybe they are going to have extra scenes between Jaime and other prisoners, like eg; Willem Lannister but they had to rename Willem to Alton to avoid confusion with Willem, the rent-boy from Oldtown who they have created for some S2 sexposition.

    *snort* too funny!

  53. James
    Posted July 30, 2011 at 4:15 pm | Permalink

    Coltaine777,

    They dont have any explaining to do and there is nothing “brutal” about this. They’re translating an extremely complex story with tons of characters if they want to combine some characters or change a name its fine even if it pisses of the annoying fanboys(and girls). Every book the story gets more complex with more characters so you complainers better get used these type of changes.

  54. planetex
    Posted July 30, 2011 at 4:21 pm | Permalink

    I think he will be the combination of Cleos Frey and the son of Kevan Lannister who was killed by Karstark in the prison.

  55. coltaine777
    Posted July 30, 2011 at 4:22 pm | Permalink

    James:
    Coltaine777,

    They dont have any explaining to do and there is nothing “brutal” about this. They’re translating an extremely complex story with tons of characters if they want to combine some characters or change a name its fine even if it pisses of the annoying fanboys(and girls). Every book the story gets more complex with more characters so you complainers better get used these type of changes.

    Well thankyou my friend for setting me straight…now if your done kissing ass …I will say again this change is very unnecessary….just silly imo…

  56. Qthulhu
    Posted July 30, 2011 at 4:22 pm | Permalink

    Winter Is Coming,

    Well that narrows down the list of leakers, there were only a handful of people in that tent.

  57. DawnWielder
    Posted July 30, 2011 at 4:42 pm | Permalink

    LOL who the shit is alton lannister?

  58. JC
    Posted July 30, 2011 at 4:44 pm | Permalink

    LOL at all the people who claim this possible name change or new character is ‘brutal’ or ‘unnecessary’ or ‘silly’ without having read a single page of any of the scripts or seen any footage from the upcoming season.

    HOW WOULD YOU KNOW IT’S AN UNNECESSARY CHANGE UNTIL YOU ACTUALLY SEE THE SEASON PUT TOGETHER?

    You wouldn’t.

    This is just the same old hyperbole freakout machine of the ASOIAF fans rolling along. If you have this much of a problem with what could amount to a small name change, you’re going to go into seizures when they actually make some real changes. This show is already more faithful to the source material than 99.9% of filmed adaptations out there. Be grateful for that. In my opinion, they are almost a little too faithful to the point where certain things that worked well in the book didn’t translate as well to a cinematic medium and didn’t quite come alive the way I hoped. Respecting the source material is wise; slavish devotion to it is not. Cinema is a visual and aural form that has its own requirements separate from the written word.

    And note – the best scene of last season turned out to be one that’s not from the books at all – Robert and Cersei’s tragic showdown of a conversation in The Wolf and the Lion. I want more of THAT – things that give an emotional context and investment in the characters. The books provide this using internal thoughts, something that can never come across properly in the cinematic medium. To counter this, they need more scenes like that which help you understand the people better – and not just the POV ones from the books – as without the benefit of the internal dialogue in the books, they are equalized as characters we need to be invested in in the show.

  59. Flouride
    Posted July 30, 2011 at 4:49 pm | Permalink

    If he is playing Cleos Frey it really doesn’t take that much of explaining to do in the show. Have someone like Jon Umber mock him for being a mother’s little boy and choosing Lannisters over Freys and most of his kin. Don’t need no 5 min sexposition scene to do all that. And no matter what his name is, people will still be confused.

    Something tells me we are going to see more and more of these “unnecessary” changes.

    Meh, why aren’t the spoiler tags actually working…

  60. LG
    Posted July 30, 2011 at 5:28 pm | Permalink

    JC:
    And note – the best scene of last season turned out to be one that’s not from the books at all – Robert and Cersei’s tragic showdown of a conversation in The Wolf and the Lion.

    IN YOUR OPINION it was the best scene of last season. If you liked the scene, good for you – but opinions do not equal facts. They’re just…opinions. And no one here is ‘wrong’ for feeling how they feel about any aspect of the show.

  61. Jimmy
    Posted July 30, 2011 at 6:04 pm | Permalink

    He is probably replacing Drizz Lanister. That Drizz guy must have been so bad they completely cut him out from season 1.

  62. tysnow
    Posted July 30, 2011 at 6:05 pm | Permalink

    Perhaps he is going to be the male version of Ros, afterall HBO must be an equal opportunity Sexposition employer. I figure it will be Alton’s job to bed all the women in the Red Keep (excluding Sansa) to keep the female viewers happy, after he arrives of course.

  63. ANH
    Posted July 30, 2011 at 7:03 pm | Permalink

    If he really is Pod, I’ll cry. Part of Pod’s charm is that he’s such a young kid and he really looks up to Tyrion.

    I think the idea of him being a Lannister prisoner that Karstark kills is a good one though. I’d totally be up for a change like that.

  64. JC
    Posted July 30, 2011 at 7:55 pm | Permalink

    LG: IN YOUR OPINION it was the best scene of last season. If you liked the scene,good for you –but opinions do not equal facts. They’re just…opinions.And no one here is ‘wrong’ for feeling how they feel about any aspect of the show.

    Um, yes. It is my opinion. You know, that’s kind of why I wrote it. Thanks for stating the obvious. It’s understood that it’s not a fact but it’s my opinion by the very nature of my having posted it.

    Do you need everyone to add a disclaimer of “in my opinion” before the beginning of their posts? Because certainly no one else has. In this ENTIRE THREAD, the only person who has thrown that disclaimer into their post is…take a guess…me. Yes, me. I actually wrote “in my opinion” in an earlier section of my post that you did not quote. So calling me out for that is even more laughable when I’m the only one who has actually made that (redundant) disclaimer.

    You’re the one who is trying to portray my post as saying that’s the only right answer – when I do nothing of the sort. Actually, I find it a little slanderous that you implied I actually used the word ‘wrong’ by putting it in quotations – a word that does not appear in any part of my initial post. It seems to me that the real issue here is that you don’t like the points I raise in my post – which I still stand by. Claiming these changes are unnecessary/brutal with only a vague notion of what exactly is being changed and having no knowledge of how things will fit together in the overall arc of the season is silly. Did I say people aren’t allowed to feel this way? No, although you certainly like to imply that I did. I “LOL’d” at those people – as in, I find them silly and ridiculous for taking such huge issue with something that they barely have any information on. Sure it’s an opinion – and everyone’s entitled to them – just not a very rational one considering it’s not based on any real information or facts but a whole lot of conjecture and speculation. Which, to me, makes it worth about as much as a Zimbabwean dollar. Oh right, that is of course all, IN MY OPINION.

  65. MW
    Posted July 30, 2011 at 8:00 pm | Permalink

    It sounds like he maybe one of several different characters none of whom are long for the world anyway. I’m sure once I see the show, I will understand the reason for the change. I give D&D the benefit of the doubt.

  66. GaR
    Posted July 30, 2011 at 8:11 pm | Permalink

    NEED MORE DATA

    He could be replacing Pod or Tyrek or Cleos or one of the Lannister cousins murdered at Riverrun by Lord Karstark, a combination thereof… or he may be a random-ass extra who got a name to put on his CV.

    Until we have more information, the angst in this thread is unjustified.

    Oh, well done whoever it was who suggested Lily Cole for Ygritte. She looks exactly how I imagined her from the books.

  67. Rhoswen
    Posted July 30, 2011 at 8:21 pm | Permalink

    Well, I looked up the meaning of the name Alton (to satisfy my own curiosity), and it’s Old English for “old town.” I’ve got no idea if that’s of any significance for the character, of course.

  68. the blind girl
    Posted July 30, 2011 at 8:43 pm | Permalink

    GaR:

    Oh, well done whoever it was who suggested Lily Cole for Ygritte.She looks exactly how I imagined her from the books.

    Thank you! I totally agree, and it was me who suggested her.

  69. Lex
    Posted July 30, 2011 at 9:01 pm | Permalink

    GaR:

    Until we have more information, the angst in this thread is unjustified.

    The question is… HAS ALTON READ ALL THE BOOKS?!???!!1

  70. Josh K
    Posted July 30, 2011 at 9:46 pm | Permalink

    JC: Um, yes. It is my opinion. You know, that’s kind of why I wrote it. Thanks for stating the obvious. It’s understood that it’s not a fact but it’s my opinion by the very nature of my having posted it.

    Do you need everyone to add a disclaimer of “in my opinion” before the beginning of their posts? Because certainly no one else has. In this ENTIRE THREAD, the only person who has thrown that disclaimer into their post is…take a guess…me. Yes, me. I actually wrote “in my opinion” in an earlier section of my post that you did not quote. So calling me out for that is even more laughable when I’m the only one who has actually made that (redundant) disclaimer.

    You’re the one who is trying to portray my post as saying that’s the only right answer – when I do nothing of the sort. Actually, I find it a little slanderous that you implied I actually used the word ‘wrong’ by putting it in quotations – a word that does not appear in any part of my initial post. It seems to me that the real issue here is that you don’t like the points I raise in my post – which I still stand by. Claiming these changes are unnecessary/brutal with only a vague notion of what exactly is being changed and having no knowledge of how things will fit together in the overall arc of the season is silly. Did I say people aren’t allowed to feel this way? No, although you certainly like to imply that I did. I “LOL’d” at those people – as in, I find them silly and ridiculous for taking such huge issue with something that they barely have any information on. Sure it’s an opinion – and everyone’s entitled to them – just not a very rational one considering it’s not based on any real information or facts but a whole lot of conjecture and speculation. Which, to me, makes it worth about as much as a Zimbabwean dollar. Oh right, that is of course all, IN MY OPINION.

    In your opinion, why do you care so much? If you’re going to get so upset about people expressing their opinions maybe you should stay away from the comment sections. You like and accept most of the changes, others don’t. No need to write a novel about it. Just skip those comments and go on with your life.

  71. Tyler L. Metcalfe
    Posted July 30, 2011 at 10:38 pm | Permalink

    Unlike some of the pickier people, who are 100% entitled to their opinion, I think it is great news. As long as the show keeps faithful to the major points that Martin already has put in and plans for the series, they can make all the alterations they want. I would readily watch a complete 100% adaptation but it is a little more interesting when you know everything IS NOT the same.

    The Walking Dead is a good example. Some people wish they would just follow the comics completely, I think I’d be rather bored with just a page-by-page remake. You also get cool characters never in the comic like Daryl.

  72. Jordan Healey
    Posted July 30, 2011 at 10:40 pm | Permalink

    I hope its just a new minor character, or someone replacing one of the lannister cousins for the breakout or something. Or Tyrek.

    Definitely do not want it to be a Cleos or Pod replacement.

  73. Ed
    Posted July 30, 2011 at 10:41 pm | Permalink

    Jay Bushman:
    KG,

    I’d bet on Tyrek as well. An easy change to keep him separated from Tyrion and Tywin.

    That was the first thing that popped in my head.

  74. GaR
    Posted July 30, 2011 at 10:44 pm | Permalink

    the blind girl,

    heh, good call :D

    Lex: The question is… HAS ALTON READ ALL THE BOOKS?!???!!1

    If he hasn’t, he’ll ruin the show. This cannot be permitted.

  75. John-Michael Lelievre
    Posted July 30, 2011 at 10:57 pm | Permalink

    My feelings is that he is gonna be involved with Jaime somehow. If creating a new character is to get more NCW screen time, I’m all for it.

  76. TK
    Posted July 30, 2011 at 11:00 pm | Permalink

    purplejilly,

    It sounds like you’ve never been to the south… don’t know many cleos(es?) around here….

    Typical yankee snob :)

    Unlike many here I imagine, I liked cleos and his part in the story – he fights like a goose, and looks like a weasel! My bet is it’s a tyrek or/ Robb camp K. Lannisters son replacement. Or maybe it’s just hope.

  77. something witty
    Posted July 30, 2011 at 11:09 pm | Permalink

    Not liking this change at all.

  78. Harry Hogg
    Posted July 30, 2011 at 11:48 pm | Permalink

    If they just changed the name then fine, there are quite a few Freys though that is the point, but if this is a new character then what is the point? Aren’t there enough characters in the books already?

  79. GaR
    Posted July 30, 2011 at 11:53 pm | Permalink

    something witty,

    and what change would that be?

    The only info we have is that there may be a character called Alton Lannister in season 2.

  80. Matthew
    Posted July 31, 2011 at 12:06 am | Permalink

    My bet is that he is one of the Lannisters to lead the rescue of Jaime from Riverrun.

  81. BieberFeiver
    Posted July 31, 2011 at 12:14 am | Permalink

    He’s cute OMG I hope he lives…….

    Cleos wishes he was that cute………

    So I think since the only names they are mentioning are people they seem to be filming early I think Elton Lannister will be one of the people captured with Jaime or one of the people who tries to rescue him.

    There is no way he is Pod.

    Justin Bieber is Pod.

    It is known.

  82. saluk
    Posted July 31, 2011 at 12:30 am | Permalink

    Tyler L. Metcalfe,

    I haven’t read the comics, but if following the comics more closely would have fixed the travesty of episodes 4-6, then that’s what they should have done. It’s almost been a year since the show was on, and I still vividly remember the first 2 episodes. I can’t for the life of me remember the rest of the show, except for some really dumb cdc stuff and a big explosion at the end.

    I’m OK with minor to medium changes as long as the resulting product keeps its integrity.

    Fortunately I don’t think the addition or modification of one minor character will do much damage, except of course to lessen the similarities. When its just something like Ros, most of us hate her, but you could fastforward and the property isn’t really damaged. If there are too many small things like that it could turn into some major cracks in the armor.

    I’m holding out, but I think we have all experienced failures before and are still half expecting this one to fail. It’s just a matter of when :) So it makes sense to be a little sensitive, especially when there hasn’t exactly been a torrent of other news.

  83. frog spear girl
    Posted July 31, 2011 at 12:41 am | Permalink

    ahh well clearly, this is GREAT JOHN’S bastard.

    alton-cleos-tyrek-brian snow.

    are you TOUCHED IN THE HEAD, frog spear girl?

  84. JC
    Posted July 31, 2011 at 1:24 am | Permalink

    Josh K,

    Z
    Josh K,

    Why are all of you using the most common methods of discouraging discussion on these boards? It’s not like I’ve never heard the one before about posting novel-length stuff – for your information, I like to discuss things which is why I’m on these boards like everyone else. My initial post hardly spent the majority criticizing those opinions, I just mentioned it at the beginning and wouldnt have posted more about it if LG hadn’t attacked my post. Of course, you’re using thr same logic as (s)he is, completely avoiding the legitimate points that I brought up and instead attacking my right to post my opinion and my post’s length.

  85. Damryn of Dorne
    Posted July 31, 2011 at 1:53 am | Permalink

    Alton Lannister is the purveyor of fine sound equipment for lutes and harps alike.

  86. Obsidian
    Posted July 31, 2011 at 2:50 am | Permalink

    Damryn of Dorne,

    LIly is really tall and..Kit is not. I somehow don’t think HBO would think they were a good match…Even if that height disparity didn’t matter to them I think Lily is too ethereal..fragile -looking.

    Where’s that person who posted a link to an unknown young actress recently on another thread ( lots of curly red hair and freckles )…I can’t find it..I thought she looked perfect, and she had a pretty interesting resume. I could really see her as a bold, competent wildling girl. Not exactly the epitome of beauty but charismatic.

  87. Blackfish Blues
    Posted July 31, 2011 at 5:28 am | Permalink

    purplejilly: Cleos sounds like a southern redneck from the US, so maybe they decided it didn’t go well together.

    OT, but there’s a character named Cletus in ADWD (I don’t think it’s a big spoiler) and I laughed for half an hour thinking of the Simpsons.

    On the topic of names, “Alton” is one of the noble families of M. Zimmer-Bradley’s Darkover. Maybe a homage? But I’ve noticed several “recyclings” of this kind in ADWD, also small descriptions that strongly remind me of other things. No big deal, really.

    I hope Alton is a just an extra with a name and some lines to help with Jaime’s storyline, or, as has been suggested, he’s a combination of the Lannister cousins.

    Name change? Hope not. OK, Robin went under the radar for me. Yara? I can think of a million better solutions, but I can live with it. But a third change would make me suspect HBO has a special name-changing department working 24/7. I hope he’s not Pod: that would take away the special charm of the executioner-related but sweet and brave boy. As for Tyrek, I’d be sorry to lose a Ty-name, they are a coll trait of the Lannisters and are very easy to tell apart. Cleos Frey? Hell, the very point of him is that he’s a Frey…

    What unnerves me is that we scavenge these tidbits with no background whatsoever. (Not that we should stop doing it!) On one side, they help pass the time with discussions, but they also cause worries that may prove unfounded. Also they cause bad blood. While eavesdropping on WiC’s tweets, I discovered GRRM has deferred to D&D the presence or lack thereof of the Blackfish in S2. This very fact would normally earn one of my Bible-sized posts; luckily for you I have no time.

    Let’s stick to the point; if D&D found the way to sneak an Alton in there, how hard it would be (wish I had a penny for everytime I’ve said it) to have a black-armoured, helmeted warrior among Robb’s generals, with a quirky sigil, just as a small wink to the readers (and they put so many in already, that’s what makes me both happy and mad!)? Or do they consider him so totally useless that he’s not worth even an un-named, non-speaking part? I know many of you would answer “yes”, so please just pretend you’ve said so and spare my poor nerves.

  88. Astalnar
    Posted July 31, 2011 at 6:20 am | Permalink

    Kana,

    It is not about if he is likable or not, it is about what consequence this has on it. If you remove Cleos and say that was Lannister in his place and that Lannister was married to Frey wife then Lannisters get Riverrun at the long run. That is just one of the issues with replacing some characters. You can’t do it without considering everything else.

    GRRM warned D&D about it. And they still let Drogo kill that rider. Guess what, that rider is coming back in book 6.
    Also the talk about merging Edmure and Blackfish. This would be bad idea.
    Who would then be under noose and who would hold Riverrun under siege if they merge those 2.

    They might know best, but if they won’t pay attention to the long run, details will ruin the show.
    Instead of adding 100 new Lannister that don’t even make any particular sense. It would be better to show us who will be Amory Lorch, Jaqen H’ghar, Halfhand, Yigritte, Adam Marbrand, Thoros of Myr, Blackfish and Edmure Tully, not to mention Mance Ryder and Tormund Giantsbane, Damphair, and Victarion.

    On second thought, they could cut out Lorch and just use Gregor to burn everything. And then say Mountain left a garrison behind while he went on reaving.

  89. Elena Amici
    Posted July 31, 2011 at 6:28 am | Permalink

    Obsidian: Where’s that person who posted a link to an unknown young actress recently on another thread ( lots of curly red hair and freckles )…I can’t find it..I thought she looked perfect, and she had a pretty interesting resume. I could really see her as a bold, competent wildling girl. Not exactly the epitome of beauty but charismatic.

    do you mean molly quinn?
    http://www.imdb.com/name/nm2829369/
    her name was suggested somewhere in a comment, but she’s too young IMO

    Blackfish Blues: I hope he’s not Pod: that would take away the special charm of the executioner-related but sweet and brave boy.

    this

  90. Michelle R.
    Posted July 31, 2011 at 7:03 am | Permalink

    Alton, little known fact, is the Lannister who actually poos gold.

  91. Doughnut Hole
    Posted July 31, 2011 at 7:41 am | Permalink

    Everybody better get ready. They are going to have to radically cut the number of characters by asos. Weiss and co. are already doing an impressive job introducing and developing characters in 10 episodes…there’s just limits to what is possible in 10 hours of television if you want anything OTHER than character introduction.

  92. Donna Gagn0n
    Posted July 31, 2011 at 7:59 am | Permalink

    Hill is the Bastard name for the westerlands

  93. swornsword
    Posted July 31, 2011 at 8:26 am | Permalink

    Why are they making up new characters when they can’t even put in the ones we want..? This is where we need to start worrying, when they just start adding in random crap and making changes.

    UNLESS its the Tyrek thing, in that case it’s understandable.

  94. Arya
    Posted July 31, 2011 at 8:34 am | Permalink

    They will include Alton Lannister? But why? More appropriate would be to include QHORIN HALFHAND! And where is Mormont’s raven who wants corn? And why the direwolves are not included enough in season 1? I don’t agree with this cast of Alton!

  95. OhWhoCares
    Posted July 31, 2011 at 8:52 am | Permalink

    Obsidian: LIly is really tall and..Kit is not.

    His short ass be ruinin’ everything

  96. Steve Hugh Westenra
    Posted July 31, 2011 at 9:02 am | Permalink

    So far the idea that Alton is Tyrek or that he is one of the people who help Jaime break out is the idea that makes the most sense to me, and which I like the most. It wouldn’t make sense to rename Cleos, if they are including him (I half expected he’d be cut), and this guy just doesn’t scream Pod to me (and again, the name change would be pointless).
    There are lots of other places they could have inserted a new character (a Lannister on the wall?), but there are already enough characters in most of those parts that it would seem unnescessary.
    Regardless, welcome to the cast random dude! I am sure you will be awesome at whatever it is you are doing that we can’t figure out.

  97. oracle86
    Posted July 31, 2011 at 9:02 am | Permalink

    Lily Cole is too beautiful to play Ygritte. Jon Snow lists all her facial defects in great detail – and yet falls in love with her cos of her spirit. Casting a hottie as Ygritte ruins the beauty of that romance.

  98. Mirax
    Posted July 31, 2011 at 10:19 am | Permalink

    Steve Hugh Westenra: Regardless, welcome to the cast random dude! I am sure you will be awesome at whatever it is you are doing that we can’t figure out.

    This! :D

  99. Elena Amici
    Posted July 31, 2011 at 10:26 am | Permalink

    Astalnar: Also the talk about merging Edmure and Blackfish. This would be bad idea.
    Who would then be under noose and who would hold Riverrun under siege if they merge those 2.

    they would find another way. I really can’t undertand this idea of introducing 100+ characters b/c they will be more important if we ever reach season 4+
    Who cares about that rider Drogo killed who is coming back in book 6? If we ever reach the season based upon book 6, half of the plotline will be cut off anyway. No way they can handle so many characters.
    I know they won’t keep sam’s chapters from book 4 or a good half of the iron islands and dornish chapters. Or dany’s chapters from book 5: too many characters whose names we can’t remember, too many useless facts that don’t affect the main plot astapor is one…. quentyn is another.</b
    D&D just can't keep anything/anyone in the show, and IMO we should stop being disappointed/ complaining every time there is a change.

    oracle86: Lily Cole is too beautiful to play Ygritte.

    this… and, come on, lily cole can’t play ygritte.
    She doesn’t look the part, and not just because of her pretty face.
    She is a model, too tall, too slim, i really can’t picture her playing a wildling girl.
    AND, she’s too famous…remember the budget!

  100. Blackfish Blues
    Posted July 31, 2011 at 10:35 am | Permalink

    Until we learn more of him, it’s hard to judge. He could be a nice new character like the King’s Landing Butler and they simply gave him his own name. So I’m not instinctively hostile to poor Alton.

    However.

    Astalnar:
    Kana,

    It is not about if he is likable or not, it is about what consequence this has on it. If you remove Cleos and say that was Lannister in his place and that Lannister was married to Frey wife then Lannisters get Riverrun at the long run. That is just one of the issues with replacing some characters. You can’t do it without considering everything else.

    GRRM warned D&D about it. And they still let Drogo kill that rider. Guess what, that rider is coming back in book 6.

    Also the talk about merging Edmure and Blackfish. This would be bad idea.
    Who would then be under noose and who would hold Riverrun under siege if they merge those 2.

    They might know best, but if they won’t pay attention to the long run, details will ruin the show.
    Instead of adding 100 new Lannister that don’t even make any particular sense. It would be better to show us who will be Amory Lorch, Jaqen H’ghar, Halfhand, Yigritte, Adam Marbrand, Thoros of Myr, Blackfish and Edmure Tully, not to mention Mance Ryder and Tormund Giantsbane, Damphair, and Victarion.

    On second thought, they could cut out Lorch and just use Gregor to burn everything. And then say Mountain left a garrison behind while he went on reaving.

    The fact that GRRM defers to D&D for the fate of the Blackfish rattled me. (Winter, please, correct me, delete me, disinherit me or whatever if I’m out of line in quoting your tweets.) Not just because it’s my fave character, but because I’m really intrigued by the GRRM – D&D dynamics in the creation of the series. During Season 1 I was convinced that it was a mutual synergy, and it was fascinating. Bottom line, however, I was under the impression that GRRM was the ultimate source when in doubt.

    The case of Maego did not impress me particularly. So GRRM and D&D did not agree on him? (or was that Marillion?) Unfortunately I haven’t read ADWD up to that point, but I thought it wasn’t a big deal, it was just a matter of – whoops – changing someone’s name.

    But the Blackfish left completely in the hands of D&D? OK, this makes the balance lean more towards the fact that they cut him from S2 too, given that confused declaration about him by D&D of which unfortunately I can’t find the source. (an interview by Ian Forgothisname, sorry Ian.) I can still hope for a Blackfish in S3, since, as Astalnar pointed out, when we get to the siege of Riverrun we definitely need TWO Tullys, because everybody else is dead.

    The complexity of the situation is staggering. Am I the only one (notoriously paranoid) who fears a wider and wider divergence between the book saga and the TV series? Well, at least this would mean the TV series will have more seasons.

  101. Lex
    Posted July 31, 2011 at 10:49 am | Permalink

    I remember hearing NCW talk about “new” characters being created for Season 2.

    How are they able to create new characters (e.g. Ros, possibly Alton), when they don’t have time/room for all the existing ones? And is it wise?

  102. Blackfish Blues
    Posted July 31, 2011 at 10:54 am | Permalink

    Elena Amici: they would find another way. I really can’t undertand this idea of introducing 100+ characters b/c they will be more important if we ever reach season 4+

    Today is my Wic spamming day :P

    I do believe it’s not just thinking ahead about which character is important in S4, though that’s a serious factor, and a massively complicated one as I said above, made worse if GRRM and D&D don’t work side by side as I believed they would.

    (Yes, I understand GRRM has lots of new work engagements now.)

    The fact is that we’re talking about characters who I think would do wonders for the development of the protagonists. Edmure is Robb’s opposite, I’d give anything for a scene between the two. The Blackfish is Jaime’s connection to his past; now that Barristan is elsewhere it would be an awesome way to show Jaime’s feelings of insecurity even before he reads the ledger of the Lord Commanders.

    The Blackfish is a loose cannon, actually, they could use him as a sounding board for practically everybody, depending on the angle they give him. It doesn’t take a lot of screen time. I keep thinking of Jory, of how much he moved viewers (and Jaime) for as little as he was on screen.

  103. Dreamlife
    Posted July 31, 2011 at 10:58 am | Permalink

    Off topic, but here’s a great interview with Jason Momoa at Hitfix.com:

    He talks a lot about Khal Drogo, and I just love how passionate he is about the role, the books, and the TV series. He even goes into how he thinks GRRM should bring him back—funny stuff! He also talks about Conan and a little bit about his next film, which judging from the cast sounds pretty cool.

  104. Elena Amici
    Posted July 31, 2011 at 10:59 am | Permalink

    Lex: How are they able to create new characters (e.g. Ros, possibly Alton), when they don’t have time/room for all the existing ones? And is it wise?

    well, i think (i hope ;) )the “new” characters they’re creating will be “old” minor characters with a different name, or something like this.
    Ex: I was kinda annoyed when i first saw ros, but now i’m think that having ros. the wandering whore, is way better than having a new prostitute in each sexposition scene.
    Also, I’m sure we’ll see ros again, probably instead of kyra or alayaya

  105. tysnow
    Posted July 31, 2011 at 11:26 am | Permalink

    Well, there was talk a long time ago about them merging two or more characters together into a new role (multiple roles to boot), that has the lines and actions of the psuedo new players in the GoT. Could Alton, perchance be one of these. If so it’s not a new role, it’s just a new character with 2 or more roles merged.

  106. Shinyteapot
    Posted July 31, 2011 at 11:37 am | Permalink

    Blackfish Blues,

    You may have hit on the main problem there- the issue might not be whether to introduce the Blackfish, but when. He is a memorable character (i.e. not an extra you could recast without anyone noticing) whose important moments are quite spread out. Keeping an actor contracted to the series for only a few key scenes per year, but over many years might well present a difficulty. Poor Jory could be cast in the knowledge that it would be one series only.

    Only crazies like us would notice if, say, some of the Lords who declared Robb King in the North were recast if the actors were no longer available. But if the Blackfish appeared then was recast later on, it would be obvious.

    If a good excuse for him not being at Riverrun in series 2 can be found- perhaps he’s off commanding troops for Robb, or has belatedly gone to visit Lysa after Catelyn told him she’s nuts he could be introduced later on, to hold Riverrun in series 3 during the RW and deal with Jaime in series 4.

    It occurs to me that if the character is written out, those two jobs might instead be done by the Greatjon who can either be captured escaping or simply disappear to do other things depending on whether it’s important that he’s captive at the Twins rather than simply vanished, which I’d much prefer to an Edmure/Blackfish combination. Keeping the Blackfish would be better, but if it can’t be done, let the Greatjon do those jobs.

  107. Blackfish Blues
    Posted July 31, 2011 at 12:11 pm | Permalink

    Shinyteapot:
    Blackfish Blues,
    You may have hit on the main problem there- the issue might not be whether to introduce the Blackfish, but when.He is a memorable character (i.e. not an extra you could recast without anyone noticing) whose important moments are quite spread out.Keeping an actor contracted to the series for only a few key scenes per year, but over many years might well present a difficulty.Poor Jory could be cast in the knowledge that it would be one series only.

    Only crazies like us would notice if, say, some of the Lords who declared Robb King in the North were recast if the actors were no longer available.But if the Blackfish appeared then was recast later on, it would be obvious.

    Yes, that’s a problem. I’ll admit that part of the reason why I got so attached to him is that there I was, innocently reading and enjoying ASOIAF, and suddenly WHAM, the Blackfish would appear out of nowhere and do or say something outrageous. I’ll be sad when nobody jumps down from the dais and hugs Catelyn while everybody else gives her the cold shoulder for letting Jaime escape.

    However, there are several characters/actors who have only a few scenes and yet will have to be available for several season. Charles Dance is the biggest example.

    Shinyteapot:
    If a good excuse for him not being at Riverrun in series 2 can be found- perhaps he’s off commanding troops for Robb, or has belatedly gone to visit Lysa after Catelyn told him she’s nuts he could be introduced later on, to hold Riverrun in series 3 during the RW and deal with Jaime in series 4.

    I’d love that! It’s the uncertainty that kills me… I guess we’re all suffering from uncertainty one way or the other, but damn.

    Shinyteapot:
    It occurs to me that if the character is written out, those two jobs might instead be done by the Greatjon who can either be captured escaping or simply disappear to do other things depending on whether it’s important that he’s captive at the Twins rather than simply vanished, which I’d much prefer to an Edmure/Blackfish combination.Keeping the Blackfish would be better, but if it can’t be done, let the Greatjon do those jobs.

    LOL, please, give me the Greatjon instead of the Edfish anytime! I quite like him. And I don’t think that an eventual Blackfish would be a duplicate of the Greatjon. In the books they were quite different in my mind, and D&D should be able to find a different enough actor. Someone quieter (a Jeremy Irons type) or much, much more crazy (a Jeff Bridges – Big Lebowski type. Sorry, blame Tumblr.)

    But yes, here’s another problem: is it meaningful that the Greatjon is captive at the Twins? When I think of his situation I keep remembering his banner…

    What a mess.

  108. The Dragon Demands
    Posted July 31, 2011 at 12:26 pm | Permalink

    Here’s my running theory: the Freys are a VERY numerous family, so in the books it didn’t seem unusual that from the beginning, a few were on House Lannisters’ side….or, that even after the Red Wedding, a few of the Freys that were closest to Robb aren’t at all happy about what Walder Frey did.

    To make the Frey’s later betrayal less confusing, they’re going to change the name of any Freys who happen to *originally* be on House Lannister’s side.

    While this is a bit annoying, its not like I’m emotionally vested in Cleos Frey, also the name is just a name, and if it keeps the mouth-breathing casual viewers writing reviews in Entertainment Weekly from being confused….its a price we will live with.

  109. the blind girl
    Posted July 31, 2011 at 1:07 pm | Permalink

    OhWhoCares: His short ass be ruinin’ everything

    Agreed. I don’t think she’s too beautiful, and I think Lily Coles features are all really funny but put together she’s pretty….oh and Don’t forget makeup! That turns anyone into anybody

  110. Lichaelle
    Posted July 31, 2011 at 1:08 pm | Permalink

    A bit off topic, but has anyone seen this? It’s gorgeous!

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rpZ4_5BYptM

  111. Astalnar
    Posted July 31, 2011 at 1:20 pm | Permalink

    Shinyteapot,

    Idea about Greatjon is ok, until you get to A Dance with Dragons where only reason why one of the uncles is allied with Boltons and Frey is the fact that Greatjon is captive at Twins.

    The Dragon Demands,

    Why not just rename all northmen in Starks, all Riverlanders in Tully all Westerlanders in Lannister all in Reach in Tyrell and all in Dorne to Martel and all in Stormland to Baratheon. That would simplify a lot of thing.
    The thing about Freys is they have family everywhere and they are numerous. taking complexity from the story for the sake of simplicity is just plain bad.

    It is important that their later betrayal is confusing.

  112. the blind girl
    Posted July 31, 2011 at 1:30 pm | Permalink

    by the way! I meant to say that I totally agree with you guys that she’s too tall…That would be my reason for not casting her. Maybe too skinny? Ygrittes skinny but strong…but definitely not frail…I do think they could make her look tougher than she normally does but I wont be surprised if they don’t cast her. Just how I saw her when I read the books :)

  113. A Bear_A Bear
    Posted July 31, 2011 at 2:05 pm | Permalink

    About halfway down the page, I actually had a point to make, but the sheer amount of concentrated stupid in this comments thread killed sufficient of my brain cells that I’ve forgotten what it was.

    Glad to see it took about five minutes from S1 finishing for the feelgood mood to dissipate and for the ridiculous “gates” to come rumbling back in all their glory. I don’t know what amuses me more, the idea that Cleos f-ing Frey is such a vitally important character that the story will be ruined – RUINED FOREVER – if they rename him or merge him with another equally anonymous character, or the fact that we don’t even know whether that’s actually the case, and all of this angsting is based on wild speculation based on WiC’s best guess at what it might mean.

    Honestly…

  114. Shinyteapot
    Posted July 31, 2011 at 2:37 pm | Permalink

    Astalnar,

    It wouldn’t surprise me if some of that particular plot strand were simplified, so that may not be an issue. But if it is there’s a way around it. I’d rather the Blackfish be in, but if they wanted to have the Greatjon take his role it could be done. Either Greatjon is captured attempting to escape, leading to the same situation as before, or Smalljon- who doesn’t even need to be cast- survives and is the captive. Greatjon missing and Smalljon in captivity would be just as good a motivation.

    I’m just trying to find a way all the plot points could be covered if they don’t cast the Blackfish and this is the only one I’ve come up with so far. Merging with Edmure leads to obvious problems when the two need to be in different places. I can’t think of another character in Robb’s group who is identifiable to the TV audience (if casting someone new, they might as well cast Blackfish) who could fill that role.

    Cross fingers they do cast the Blackfish and it’s simply not an issue.

  115. Pastor_of_Muppets
    Posted July 31, 2011 at 2:57 pm | Permalink

    Obsidian,

    Do you mean this actress?

    Charlotte Croft

    http://www.spotlight.com/interactive/cv/1/F147230.html

  116. Obsidian
    Posted July 31, 2011 at 3:00 pm | Permalink

    Elena Amici,

    Found her ! It was Pastor_of_ Muppets who had posted it. Charlotte Croft.

    http://www.spotlight.com/interactive/cv/1/F147230.html

    Apparently my mind’s eye supplied the lots of curly hair…;) But I do think she’d look good. Hope her agent’s on the ball.

    OhWhoCares,

    :)..Further to Kit’s short ass..Some would contend that good things come in small(ish) packages.

    Oops !..and I just realised that comment simply begs for a snappy, risque reply, so I’ll just add that I am in no way casting aspersions on Kit’s own package.. I’m sure it’s more than adequate..

  117. Obsidian
    Posted July 31, 2011 at 3:06 pm | Permalink

    Pastor_of_Muppets,

    Tee-Hee..Cross-Post ! Yes..if I’d just waited a bit , I could have saved myself a search..But yes, I think they could really do something with her ( I also thought the other casting suggestions you made in that post were interesting. )

  118. OhWhoCares
    Posted July 31, 2011 at 3:25 pm | Permalink

    Obsidian,

    I was just kidding about his height. I have no idea how tall he is haha and if he is short he’s ruining nothing but my fantasies of standing on my tiptoes kissing him bahaha

  119. Angela Paulsen
    Posted July 31, 2011 at 3:39 pm | Permalink

    Oh no, not another Lannister… there are enough of those already. LOL

    I hope the character he’s playing is confirmed soon. Jokes aside, I’m very curious!

  120. Elena Amici
    Posted July 31, 2011 at 3:40 pm | Permalink

    Shinyteapot:he could be introduced later on, to hold Riverrun in series 3 during the RW and deal with Jaime in series 4.

    i like this.
    I’ve always thought the Blackfish was one of the characters who could be cut off, but i still want him on the show.. this looks like the perfect solution to me ;)

    Obsidian: Elena Amici,

    Found her ! It was Pastor_of_ Muppets who had posted it. Charlotte Croft.

    http://www.spotlight.com/interactive/cv/1/F147230.html

    Apparently my mind’s eye supplied the lots of curly hair…;) But I do think she’d look good. Hope her agent’s on the ball.

    omg, she’s just perfect. i like her.

    Astalnar: Idea about Greatjon is ok, until you get to A Dance with Dragons where only reason why one of the uncles is allied with Boltons and Frey is the fact that Greatjon is captive at Twins.

    Again, it doesn’t matter. I doubt we’ll ever hear about the aforesaid uncle. There are just too many northen lords, and we can be sure they’re not going to cast all of them.
    (But i don’t like the Greatjon idea anyway)

  121. tysnow
    Posted July 31, 2011 at 4:37 pm | Permalink

    Pastor_of_Muppets,

    Do you mean this actress?

    Charlotte Croft

    http://www.spotlight.com/interactive/cv/1/F147230.html

    Wow! nice find, to whomever spotted her first. She is perfect, it’s as if Ygritte jumped right out of an Inkheart, oops! ASoIaF page. Her stage resume is pretty impressive for another young English thespian.

  122. Obsidian
    Posted July 31, 2011 at 4:56 pm | Permalink

    OhWhoCares,

    I didn’t take you seriously…and there’s no loss to you , now you can fantasize about sitting on his knee, instead. It’s more comfortable than tip-toes anyway. ;)

    I couldn’t find a height for him, but , comparing to his cast mates, he doesn’t appear to be more than 5’9″.

    tysnow,

    As far as I know P_o_M was the first to suggest her. I don’t know where he /she found her , but I think she’s great.

  123. clemintine
    Posted July 31, 2011 at 5:00 pm | Permalink

    He’s going to bed Ros. I wonder how many minutes that sexposition will take.

    If this is Cleos, cool with the lastname change, but again, what’s up with the new first name? It’s as jarring as Yara. And just like if they must change Asha’s name they should use a minor Iron Islander name from the book, they should also use some minor Lannister name from the book. Alton? Doesn’t fit. *sigh*

    Changes likes fewer battles, less Direwolf, re-use of locations I get, those budget things. But Yara is just as cheap as Asha, and Cleos/Tyrek costs the same as Alton.

    Anyways, issues of the first name aside I’m intrigued by the idea of composite character and I’m interested in see what his role is. Will he be Jamie’s cell-mate, on the breakout team, some mix of that with Cleos? Either way he’s the way to more NCW awsome in season 2.

    Blackfish Blues: OT, but there’s a character named Cletus in ADWD (I don’t think it’s a big spoiler) and I laughed for half an hour thinking of the Simpsons.

    I wonder if Aeyns Frey will get to keep his name :p

    Astalnar: Instead of adding 100 new Lannister that don’t even make any particular sense. It would be better to show us who will be Amory Lorch, Jaqen H’ghar, Halfhand, Yigritte, Adam Marbrand, Thoros of Myr, Blackfish and Edmure Tully, not to mention Mance Ryder and Tormund Giantsbane, Damphair, and Victarion.

    True that. Why so secretive this time around? Perhaps they are going to do ToJ and other backstories and don’t want to spoil it by announcing Lyanna, Rheagar, & friends. That’s the only sortive explanation I can come up with.

  124. OhWhoCares
    Posted July 31, 2011 at 5:09 pm | Permalink

    Obsidian,
    well 5’9 isn’t too bad.. I’m only 5’5.5 so if I was barefoot and he wasn’t the tip toes would still work.. but you’re right about sitting on his knee, that works with any height! Perfect!

  125. OhWhoCares
    Posted July 31, 2011 at 5:13 pm | Permalink

    Sorry to post twice, my phone is an ass

  126. Jose
    Posted July 31, 2011 at 5:39 pm | Permalink

    caricevhouten Carice van Houten
    Early in bed. Have some important stuff to discuss with Stannis in the morning.. #GameOfThrones

  127. Caedes
    Posted July 31, 2011 at 6:02 pm | Permalink

    Lichaelle:
    A bit off topic, but has anyone seen this? It’s gorgeous!

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rpZ4_5BYptM

    Absolutely beautiful. Gives me goosebumps. Thank you

  128. sjwenings
    Posted July 31, 2011 at 6:23 pm | Permalink

    Lichaelle: A bit off topic, but has anyone seen this? It’s gorgeous!
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rpZ4_5BYptM

    Wow! Best cover version of the title theme so far. It’s not even close! Love it!

  129. WinnietheWoot
    Posted July 31, 2011 at 6:26 pm | Permalink

    I’m picturing Alton Brown on Game of Thrones. Maybe he could cook for Joff’s feast.

  130. Abyss
    Posted July 31, 2011 at 6:49 pm | Permalink

    Off-Topic:
    Found this funny interview with Jason Momoa where he compares Game of Thrones and Conan. I think he likes Game of Thrones better. ;-)

  131. KG
    Posted July 31, 2011 at 6:59 pm | Permalink

    Jose,

    Get DOWN with your bad self, Red Lady!

  132. Jeff hardi
    Posted July 31, 2011 at 7:07 pm | Permalink

    ope all dese changes doesn’t mess up dha real story…… dis shld jux be a change of name …dat alll

  133. kat
    Posted August 1, 2011 at 7:43 am | Permalink
  134. Mike G
    Posted August 1, 2011 at 10:55 am | Permalink

    purplejilly,

    Well I would love to see Alton in Port Charles LOL

  135. purplejilly
    Posted August 1, 2011 at 11:06 am | Permalink

    Mike G: purplejilly, Well I would love to see Alton in Port Charles LOL

    Heh, a General Hospital/GoT mashup could be quite funny! Cersei’s certainly got the dramatic eyebrow necessary for those long, lingering soap opera closeups..

  136. Rinso
    Posted August 3, 2011 at 4:44 am | Permalink

    Alton Lannister, huh. I bet he and Yara Greyjoy would get along just fine…

    If he’s playing Cleos Frey, then sorry, but it’s a dumb change. There is nothing complicated in Cleos’ story and standing. Heck, even in the book when he’s introduced Robb gives the readers an infodump how he’s a Frey in name but he fought for the Lannisters cause his father is married to Tywin’s sister. What’s the big deal with that? And even if they decided to move him to the Lannister family full time, why the change of the first name? Cleos Lannister is as good a name as Alton Lannister, and at least some part of it is canon friendly.

  137. Thiago Slash
    Posted August 3, 2011 at 12:29 pm | Permalink

    might be he’s Lancel Lannister?
    but I still don’t know why they would change his name…

  138. Jens
    Posted August 3, 2011 at 2:47 pm | Permalink

    This must be one of those new characters, only to appear in the series, which Nikolai Coster-Waldau talked about in an interview some time about a month ago.
    I’m willing to bet this guy will get killed before at the end of the season. Perhaps, they’ll use him to build interest and backstory to someone like Jaime and get fans interested.
    As much as I dislike the name changing, I fully support this, because I just don’t think there were enough main character deaths in the second book to make as big a splash as Season 1 was obviously set up to do.
    You go out there and die a kickass death Alton. Just like Harry Lloyd did before you.

  139. Sam
    Posted August 5, 2011 at 10:39 am | Permalink

    jellydonut,

    I agree…..not only that but there are certainly no lack of characters. Why not take a little-mentioned character in the book and expand on it instead of creating someone entirely new? I don’t know. I have a feeling the show is going to take more and more liberties as the seasons go on. :(

  140. purplejilly
    Posted August 5, 2011 at 11:14 am | Permalink

    Jens: You go out there and die a kickass death Alton. Just like Harry Lloyd did before you.

    So Alton will be our Star Trek equivalent of a ‘red shirt’, eh? heh heh..

  141. Victarion's Monkey
    Posted August 11, 2011 at 11:59 am | Permalink

    D&D said that this season has a love story. I think we will probably see Robb courting Jeyne Westerling. If that is the case, then they will have to add scenes in the Westerlands. So maybe Alton is another suitor for Jeyne.

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