Anthony Morris confirmed as Tickler
By Fire And Blood on in Casting, News.

GRRM just confirmed on his Not A Blog what we knew within approximately eight seconds of the casting clues: we’ve found our Tickler, and he will be played by Irish actor Anthony Morris.

(Alright, probably a little more than eight seconds. But it was solved within eight seconds of me hearing about the casting clues!)

Longtime ‘watcher GaR nailed the Tickler clue (seriously, George, Elmo?) in only the second post, and then Nikole Gunn and her empty coffee cup swept in and nailed the Morris part. Kudos, House Gatewatch faithful!

Morris did voiceover work for Family Guy (where he likely talked to Brian the dog), played a man named Drubber Dockery in Trouble in Paradise, and appeared in the TV movie Little White Lie. He is repped by TN Enterprises.

Fire And Blood: “Is there gold in the village?” There certainly might be, and by all accounts, Morris will do fine in this simple role of a simple man fond of “asking pointed questions.” He looks A. nondescript and B. slightly creepy, which you need to play someone like the Tickler. I wonder if they’ll have him purr those questions in his native Irish brogue or go for a more neutral (or bland) accent. Can’t wait to see!


Interesting that they’re rounding up Gregor Clegane’s band of not-so merry men. I wonder how many more will be cast. Raf the Sweetling perhaps? Word has it that they’re filming a lot of the Harrenhal stuff right now, and a little bird has whispered that Conan Stevens is not standing in the Mountain’s plus-sized boots at this time. Could be he’s lagging behind schedule, what with his recent Hobbit and Spartacus commitments, and will rejoin Maisie and the gang soon… but there are also unconfirmed (I repeat: unconfirmed) rumblings that the role has been recast.

We’re still digging for those facts. We may have a Winter Is Coming exclusive on that front soon enough!


306 Comments

  1. John-Michael Lelievre
    Posted September 6, 2011 at 2:46 am | Permalink

    Yay first haha, good news!

  2. Rev. Snow
    Posted September 6, 2011 at 2:54 am | Permalink

    Looks like an awesome representation of a great character!

  3. Susan C
    Posted September 6, 2011 at 2:54 am | Permalink

    Recast the Mountain??? Seven Hells! I hope D&D are smarter than to make a bone-head move like that? Why not recast Jaime next season when he shaves his head? And let’s replace Tyrion with someone genuinely noseless to save CGI…
    The villagers will revolt! rabble…rabble…rabble…

  4. Fire And Blood
    Posted September 6, 2011 at 2:59 am | Permalink

    Susan C,

    The rumblings I’m hearing say this was a Conan Stevens-is-too-busy-doing-other-things issue, not a producer driven one. But again—unconfirmed.

    I agree—it seems a waste to find a perfectly good 7′ Mountain that Rides and then decide to go in another direction, actor wise.

  5. Chris77
    Posted September 6, 2011 at 3:01 am | Permalink

    Maybe Conan can comment on this. I feared something like this might happen after I read that he was cast both in the Hobbit and Spartacus. I still hope that this is not true. On the other hand, they could just give Lorch the command of the band and just mention that he is one of Gregors men. I always hoped that they would not cut Lorch… want the bearpit!!!

  6. Firass Bouz
    Posted September 6, 2011 at 3:03 am | Permalink

    Chris77,

    true that, recasting Conan because he was too busy sounds unreasonable to me after all the efforts he did to get the role of the mountain, Chriss77 suggestion seems much better tbh.

  7. Mark Robben
    Posted September 6, 2011 at 3:07 am | Permalink

    I truly hope we don’t lose Conan. I can’t imagine there’s a plethora of 7″ actors out there that are going to make a great Mountain, so I’d rather not lose the perfectly good Gregor we already have.

    And with respect to future casting……..anyone think we’re getting a Halfhand announcement at some point? Hard to imagine Jon’s arc in season 2 without him.

  8. Pepi
    Posted September 6, 2011 at 3:14 am | Permalink

    They could just show Gregor’s camp, I agree, where Tickler and some other would be doing their mischief, but otherwise just emphasize Lorch’s raiding group. This is way better than recasting Gregor Clegane, imo. And… if they’re casting Lorch, then Ricky Gervais is totally the guy for the job.

  9. Susan C
    Posted September 6, 2011 at 3:18 am | Permalink

    Oh my FaBulous friend,

    Though rumour it may be, you might have opened up a can of worms. I agree with those who say they would rather see them work around Conan’s absence with plenty of Clegane banners and perhaps even distant shots of a stuntman in the Mountain’s armour (non-speaking). But I’ll keep praying for the real thing! We’ve got your back Conan! (Or should I say, we’re supporting your bottom?)

  10. Hear Me Roar
    Posted September 6, 2011 at 3:19 am | Permalink

    Gutted about the no-Conan prospects. Well, they could use a stand in in armour, focus more on the bad guys in his group. And bring him back later, when he’s really needed up front and centre. *coughtheredviperscenecough*

  11. JakePT
    Posted September 6, 2011 at 3:25 am | Permalink

    It’s not that unlikely that Clegane will be helmed the entire time he’s on screen, and maybe not even have any lines. So they could quite easily get away with having a stuntman in his armour, effectively acting as an extra, and whenever Clegane is required to speak or show his face in future seasons Stevens could return.

    My memory of ACOK is pretty hazy, but I don’t recall Clegane doing much but standing around and maybe killing some guys, nothing that would require an actor in the role.

  12. Jason
    Posted September 6, 2011 at 3:34 am | Permalink

    JakePT:
    It’s not that unlikely that Clegane will be helmed the entire time he’s on screen, and maybe not even have any lines. So they could quite easily get away with having a stuntman in his armour, effectively acting as an extra, and whenever Clegane is required to speak or show his face in future seasons Stevens could return.

    My memory of ACOK is pretty hazy, but I don’t recall Clegane doing much but standing around and maybe killing some guys, nothing that would require an actor in the role.

    That’s fair enough, but let’s remember that Conan Stevens is also a stuntman, not just an actor. The great thing about him being cast as such a violent, physical character is that he already has the weapon and stunt training to not just act the role, but do all the fighting and action stuff too. Even if you never see his face.

    I really hope he’s not being recast. I’m really keen to hear some more info about this!

  13. BrosBeforeSnows
    Posted September 6, 2011 at 3:46 am | Permalink

    If they’ve cast the Tickler, they’ve got to cast Amory Lorch, right?

    And in regards to the Harrenhal scenes, Conan Stevens may not be on set because they could be filming the Roose Bolton scenes first.

  14. Pepi
    Posted September 6, 2011 at 3:50 am | Permalink

    Mountain doesn’t come to Harrenhal until book 3, anyway…

  15. Lex
    Posted September 6, 2011 at 3:55 am | Permalink

    I’ve been concerned about Conan/Mountain for a while now. But his recent post says he’s already finished with Spartacus. Maybe he’s still busy with the Hobbit, who knows?

    Somewhat related, I think we need a lot more of the Clegane brothers IN GENERAL. There wasn’t nearly enough Hound OR Mountain in Season 1. There was talk of including the Mountain in the Battle of the Green Fork, but then that was cut for budgetary and time reasons. Aside from the jousting, and the story of the Hound and the Mountain, there was very little of them at all. I think the new viewers are possibly in danger of even forgetting who the Cleganes are altogether.

  16. Tar Kidho
    Posted September 6, 2011 at 4:04 am | Permalink

    No Conan Stevens this season? As others have said, that isn’t much of a problem, as long as he returns later on. And if he doesn’t, well, frankly, who will remember in Season 3 what the Mountain looked like Season 1 – we barely got to see him, and all he did was some sword-swinging. Easy enough to replace! Well, were it not that the guy’s 7 feet tall…

    Btw, just to be clear, of course I want Conan to stay!

    Firass Bouz: recasting Conan because he was too busy sounds unreasonable to me after all the efforts he did to get the role of the mountain

    Let’s face it, the only reason Conan desperately wanted to be on GoT was to kick-start his carreer by some strong type-casting, and now that’s done he might well prefer to be in Hollywood movies…

    And as for Morris: he tickles all boxes!

  17. Elena Amici
    Posted September 6, 2011 at 4:32 am | Permalink

    wow, a lot of things happened while i was sleeping….. :D

  18. Pau Soriano
    Posted September 6, 2011 at 4:33 am | Permalink

    Tar Kidho: Let’s face it, the only reason Conan desperately wanted to be on GoT was to kick-start his carreer by some strong type-casting, and now that’s done he might well prefer to be in Hollywood movies…

    Agree…plus he didn’t sound too happy by the way they cut his fight scene with the hound

  19. fhan
    Posted September 6, 2011 at 5:00 am | Permalink

    Tar Kidho: Let’s face it, the only reason Conan desperately wanted to be on GoT was to kick-start his carreer by some strong type-casting, and now that’s done he might well prefer to be in Hollywood movies…

    If that’s true, I don’t think he’s doing himself any favours, leaving a fandom-heavy show like that. People love Conan as Gregor, I think he has the chance to create something iconic here, but instead he’ll be remembered as the guy who left because he found something better.

  20. Chris77
    Posted September 6, 2011 at 5:43 am | Permalink

    Pau Soriano: Tar Kidho: Let’s face it, the only reason Conan desperately wanted to be on GoT was to kick-start his carreer by some strong type-casting, and now that’s done he might well prefer to be in Hollywood movies…

    Agree…plus he didn’t sound too happy by the way they cut his fight scene with the hound

    And he did not like all the torrenting of the series by non US fans…
    Still hope he returns, because getting another stuntman of that size will be difficult.
    I think his Hobbit role is quite small and in Spartacus be plays (as I heard ) a bad guy that is killed of at some point in S. 2. Would be a bad decision on his side to let go of a recurring character in an HBO show for that.

  21. koinosuke
    Posted September 6, 2011 at 5:44 am | Permalink

    As far as the Gregor recast thing goes, well, I’m FB friends with Conan and a few months ago I wrote a post on his wall congratulating him on his Hobbit casting and telling him how excited I was about seeing him in a larger role next season in GoT. For some reason or another he deleted my post after a day or so, which and the time left me a little suspicious that maybe exactly what people are now musing has in fact happened. Needless to say I feel more than a little suspicious now. Too bad, really, as Conan is pretty awesome.

  22. Jonas
    Posted September 6, 2011 at 6:32 am | Permalink

    I hope they don’t re-cast Gregor. Conan is perfect for the role and if they do go with the bad decision it’ll most likely end up being some 6’5 actor.

  23. Tywin's Bastard
    Posted September 6, 2011 at 6:34 am | Permalink

    On the Gregor issue, I thought that HBO signed the actors on contracts that would guarantee that they were coming in for the following seasons their characters are part of?

  24. Shinyteapot
    Posted September 6, 2011 at 6:35 am | Permalink

    Morris looks great for the Tickler- he could be a completely normal man, which is what makes the character so awful.

    Very unhappy about the rumoured Gregor recasting. Conan went to such trouble to get the role, it seems a shame to give it up? And in terms of the show, while we didn’t see Gregor on screen for long in series 1 what we did see was very memorable. I was looking forward to seeing more of him. Could live with it if we just see Lorch this series, or a stuntman in Gregor’s armour (but would have to be carefully shot to keep his apparent height, where will they find another 7′ guy who can fight?) but I’d be very disappointed if Conan isn’t in the role for a certain crucial scene later on (not to mention I was hoping we’d see more Mountain scenes, not less!).

  25. Eric
    Posted September 6, 2011 at 7:17 am | Permalink

    I really hope Conan just hasn’t filmed yet. It’s just speculation I guess at this point that he won’t return for season 2 of Games. He has a bigger roll this season. Can’t wait to see him play in Sparticus though. And The Hobit.

  26. Pepi
    Posted September 6, 2011 at 7:32 am | Permalink

    BTW… in that other thread, Conan said: “Regardless of whether Gregor appears in 2nd season…”
    He said Gregor… not Conan. Which I’d say is a pretty good indicator, that the role won’t be recast. However, that being said, i got a strong hunch, that the role will be simply cut for this season. Think about it… the cast is huge, and getting huger with almost every day. And Gregor Clegane is just not very important in book 2. Sure,he appears, but this time I guess it’s enough, if we only see a few of his underlings(for the Arya’s storyline). And Tickler is kinda important in the future… you know, for wounding a certain dog. Lorch is actually the more important of the two Tywin’s buttcheeks this time.

  27. Sid
    Posted September 6, 2011 at 7:42 am | Permalink

    Shinyteapot,

    I agree. But if they recast, I want them to get http://www.imdb.com/name/nm2912972/. He is actually very close to the Mountain’s actual size (7′ 8″). He probably can’t fight, but to stand around, point and grunt with visor down, he would be awesome. Just imagine Maisie Williams being picked up like a kitten by him.. Then they can bring Conan back for the fighting scenes.

  28. knowsomething
    Posted September 6, 2011 at 7:54 am | Permalink

    I imagine that the issue of recasting will come up more than once in this series. They can’t possibly get every actor they sign to commit for multiple seasons, particularly when their roles may be very small in the beginning. Those contracts can be expensive and I imagine reserved for the larger speaking roles like Tyrion, Jamie, Cersei, Jon,
    Dany, Stannis, etc. And even with larger roles, most actors don’t sign up for more than three seasons at a time and those contracts then get renegotiated.

  29. Laurent Lacrouts
    Posted September 6, 2011 at 8:08 am | Permalink

    If I were D&D, I would definitely save Ricky Gervais for Ser Dontos…

  30. Athelstan
    Posted September 6, 2011 at 8:37 am | Permalink

    Pepi,
    Are they using a real location for Harrenhal or will it be (mostly) CGI?

    I know it’s not in Northern Ireland, but I’ve always thought that Caerphilly castle in south Wales would make a fantastic Harrenhal. It is absolutely huge, one of then largest castles in Europe, and even has a tower that leans (courtesy of a 17th C siege).

  31. Pepi
    Posted September 6, 2011 at 8:44 am | Permalink

    Athelstan,

    I don’t know, but they will probably just find a castle(Northern Ireland has plenty of those) and CGI it a little, to look more “harrenhally”. Something similiar as they did with Winterfell and Twins.

  32. Moe
    Posted September 6, 2011 at 8:48 am | Permalink

    Anthony Morris! He looks like someone but I can’t figure out whom.

    Oh and I just watched Conan and was surprised to see Nonza Anozie (Xaro Xhoan Daxos) as a supporting actor!

  33. Elena Amici
    Posted September 6, 2011 at 8:54 am | Permalink

    Laurent Lacrouts:

    I agree. But if they recast, I

    epic win

  34. Susan C
    Posted September 6, 2011 at 9:09 am | Permalink

    Wow! If you want to know how much a character is loved (even an evil one), threaten to sit them on the bench for a season. We definitely need more of the Clegane brothers. They give a whole new meaning to the dogs of war.

  35. Pepi
    Posted September 6, 2011 at 9:17 am | Permalink

    Moe:
    Anthony Morris! He looks like someone but I can’t figure out whom.

    Young Michael York, perhaps? :D

  36. goober
    Posted September 6, 2011 at 9:51 am | Permalink

    Pepi: Mountain doesn’t come to Harrenhal until book 3, anyway…

    wasnt gregor in one of the inns? post tourney.major peeved at his bro and the knight of flowers and wound up by the innkeep,doesnt he rape the innkeeps daughter?wasnt that in acok?

  37. Pepi
    Posted September 6, 2011 at 10:01 am | Permalink

    goober,

    Ye, he raped Jonos Bracken’s daughter. And he captured Arya Stark, which is imo even more important, story-wise. I didn’t say, that he doesn’t appear in book two. I’m just sayin, that he’s not exactly pivotal… at least not as important as he is in book 3.

  38. OhDanyBoy
    Posted September 6, 2011 at 10:02 am | Permalink

    goober,

    That’s presented as a story Arya overhears some of his band telling. It’s why she chooses her first death for Jaqen to cause.

  39. sjwenings
    Posted September 6, 2011 at 10:39 am | Permalink

    The fact that TV-Gregor had a beard, will help with the possible recasting. I didn’t really like the beard on him, but it’ll be harder for the average viewer to spot the difference this way.

    Sucks if he’s recast. Seems weird, though. If he’s recast, I would think it’s because he himself quit. But why? It’s not like he’s doing major roles in hollywood now. And the role of Gregor requires so little time-commitment, and would still be a good way to continue to get his face out there.

  40. OhDanyBoy
    Posted September 6, 2011 at 10:51 am | Permalink

    A follow-up on that silly story about that Dublin model that was supposed to be “a king’s mistress” – seems she quit, and gives some details in this article.

    http://www.herald.ie/entertainment/around-town/dublin-model-quit-hbo-show-over-raunchy-topless-scene-2867423.html

  41. Josh Parker
    Posted September 6, 2011 at 11:01 am | Permalink

    I can’t be the only one who wants to stop hearing about these tiny roles and wants to know about the big ones still not cast. At least tell us who Dontos is! Ygritte?

    THE REEDS AND EDMURE?!!!

  42. daveb
    Posted September 6, 2011 at 11:11 am | Permalink

    Moe: Anthony Morris! He looks like someone but I can’t figure out whom.

    He looks kind of like Adam Godley to me.

    http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0324134/

    Not exactly, but there’s something similar there to me. A less-exaggerated version.

  43. daveb
    Posted September 6, 2011 at 11:13 am | Permalink

    OhDanyBoy: A follow-up on that silly story about that Dublin model that was supposed to be “a king’s mistress” – seems she quit, and gives some details in this article.

    http://www.herald.ie/entertainment/around-town/dublin-model-quit-hbo-show-over-raunchy-topless-scene-2867423.html

    Well Nina Gold has her work cut out for her, having to recast such a pivotal role…

  44. Steve the Pirate
    Posted September 6, 2011 at 11:30 am | Permalink

    Josh Parker: I can’t be the only one who wants to stop hearing about these tiny roles and wants to know about the big ones still not cast. At least tell us who Dontos is! Ygritte?
    THE REEDS AND EDMURE?!!!

    Frankly, I think it’s a little disrespectful to the actors being announced. I realize lots of people are anxious for news about the Tully/Ygritte castings, but some of us are just as excited to hear about these other parts. Ygritte has like 2 scenes in ACOK, near the end, so it’s not that surprising she would be cast later than some others. Be cool, man.

  45. Tywin's Bastard
    Posted September 6, 2011 at 11:43 am | Permalink

    Josh Parker,

    No one is forcing you to read these casting threads so if you want to stop hearing about these roles, stop reading. It’s as easy as that.

    We fans aren’t entitled to anything so be grateful for what we get.

  46. Josh Parker
    Posted September 6, 2011 at 11:50 am | Permalink

    Steve the Pirate,

    Tywin’s Bastard,

    Okay, perhaps I could change my tone and language a bit. But every day that goes by that we don’t hear about these roles, the more anxious I get that they’ve been cut.

    I don’t think it’s out of line for me to wish that Benioff and Weiss would at least confirm which major roles, if any, have been cut and what likelihood exists that they’ll still be seen next season.

  47. Knurk
    Posted September 6, 2011 at 11:50 am | Permalink

    OhDanyBoy:
    A follow-up on that silly story about that Dublin model that was supposed to be “a king’s mistress” – seems she quit, and gives some details in this article.

    http://www.herald.ie/entertainment/around-town/dublin-model-quit-hbo-show-over-raunchy-topless-scene-2867423.html

    OMG, what an attention seeking bimbo. Why the fuck is that internetsite even doing an interview with her?

    Josh Parker: I can’t be the only one who wants to stop hearing about these tiny roles

    the Tickler tiny? Seriously why would you want to stop hearing about castings, these are the good weeks. Just chill.

  48. daveb
    Posted September 6, 2011 at 11:51 am | Permalink

    Tywin’s Bastard,

    I think we ARE entitled to any casting news related to the recasting of “a King’s mistress” though. Why D&D are playing that one so close to the vest is killing me inside.

  49. Hi-Fi
    Posted September 6, 2011 at 12:06 pm | Permalink

    LOL at that model dropping out. Who shall replace her? Ros for the rescue?? I hope so.

  50. Josh Parker
    Posted September 6, 2011 at 12:08 pm | Permalink

    Knurk,

    Well, he only appears in one chapter. A memorable character, perhaps, but a small one.

    Also, while of course any casting news is good news, I am a little antsy the more we hear about roles that likely won’t appear in more than one, maybe two episodes at most. If we’re already being told about these parts, does that mean no Edmure, no Jojen and Meera, no Qhorin?

    Also, I continue to wonder why, if Dontos has been cast as this site claims, we have not heard who is playing him. I also understand there was a casting call put out for Ygritte, and a few actresses have apparently tweeted about auditioning, but we have yet to hear anything there, either.

    I’m just on pins and needles and getting a bit worried.

  51. knowsomething
    Posted September 6, 2011 at 12:14 pm | Permalink

    Josh Parker,

    I agree, all of these smaller role castings are making me more anxious about the larger roles. I realize I just need to chill, but I do wish they would confirm that the Reeds and the Tullys haven’t been cut.

  52. Mongoose McQueen
    Posted September 6, 2011 at 12:18 pm | Permalink

    Still no Reeds! Does anyone actually believe they’ll be in the show still?

  53. Lord Two Feathers
    Posted September 6, 2011 at 12:20 pm | Permalink

    OhDanyBoy:
    A follow-up on that silly story about that Dublin model that was supposed to be “a king’s mistress” – seems she quit, and gives some details in this article.

    http://www.herald.ie/entertainment/around-town/dublin-model-quit-hbo-show-over-raunchy-topless-scene-2867423.html

    Shes glad she walked away with her dignity intact!!??………..Then to go public and accuse HBO of misleading her about the role and call GOT soft porn!…..Just another dime a dozen fake tan celeb. wannabe, with more ambition than talent. Instantly forgetable.

  54. Josh Parker
    Posted September 6, 2011 at 12:29 pm | Permalink

    Mongoose McQueen,

    Even if they’re cut I strongly doubt it’s to give their part to Osha, as you seem to be insisting elsewhere.

    I think we can all count on the Reeds either being shunted to next season (and meeting Bran along the road, or something), or coming into this season later than they do in the book, and appearing in only one or two episodes.

    A lack of Reeds =/= “they gave their part to Osha”.

  55. daveb
    Posted September 6, 2011 at 12:30 pm | Permalink

    Lord Two Feathers,

    I remember WiC saying that HBO was miffed at her initial interview. I wouldn’t be surprised in the least if she were let go after that, and she’s trying to spin it.

  56. Lord Two Feathers
    Posted September 6, 2011 at 12:31 pm | Permalink

    Mongoose McQueen:
    Still no Reeds!Does anyone actually believe they’ll be in the show still?

    Can someone who is worried about the Reeds being cut please explain how they see Brans story being told without them ? I am curious , will Hodor have Brans destiny riding on his shoulders alone? Seriously how would D+D write it without at least one Reed? Personally I don`t think it can be done without straying lightyears from the original material.

  57. Adrian
    Posted September 6, 2011 at 12:31 pm | Permalink

    Come on now, no need to jump on the dude, these ARE small roles, especially while people like Ramsay go unannounced. If they plan to have this show go as far as the books, they really NEED a Ramsay. You can’t really say they NEED a Blackfish or they NEED Edmure, but they absolutely NEED Ramsay.

  58. Lord Two Feathers
    Posted September 6, 2011 at 12:34 pm | Permalink

    daveb:
    Lord Two Feathers,

    I remember WiC saying that HBO was miffed at her initial interview. I wouldn’t be surprised in the least if she were let go after that, and she’s trying to spin it.

    I think you are on to something there alright.

  59. Balerion
    Posted September 6, 2011 at 12:40 pm | Permalink

    Perhaps a new Mountain…??? WTF!!!!!

  60. Hi-Fi
    Posted September 6, 2011 at 12:43 pm | Permalink

    Characters yet to be cast/announced (I’m aware I included characters that were probably cut/postponed):

    Night’s Watch/Across the Wall:
    Ygritte
    Thoren Smallwood
    Qhorin Halfhand
    Rattleshirt

    Riverrun:
    Edmure
    Blackfish
    Hoster
    Cleos Frey

    Dragonstone:
    Selyse
    Shireen
    Maester Pylos
    Axell Florent

    Iron Islands:
    Aeron
    Victarion

    Arya’s Road:
    Amory Loch
    Weese
    Vargo Hoat

    Winterfell:
    Jojen
    Meera
    Wyman Manderly
    Reek

    King’s Landing:
    Dontos
    Alayaya
    Arys Oakheart
    Lady Tanda/Lollys

    Renly’s Camp:
    Randyll Tarly

    Across the Narrow Sea
    Stron Belwas

  61. Josh Parker
    Posted September 6, 2011 at 12:44 pm | Permalink

    Lord Two Feathers,

    Mongoose McQueen has peppered IMDb with his theory (that he now believes is fact) that the Reeds’ role will be given to Osha.

    As far as I can tell, his theory rides solely on two facts: we haven’t heard about the Reeds being cast yet and they cast an up-and-coming actress in Osha’s role, in the process changing Osha from her book description.

    MM says they did this on purpose because they wanted her notability and now they’re going to exploit it by enhancing the part of Osha, replacing the Reeds with her.

    He’s a doomsayer from the word go; he’s convinced despite a stellar first season that D&D are typical Hollywood hacks that want to distort GRRM’s novels into their own vision. Nothing will convince him otherwise.

    Now, if Disgusting Taste shows his ugly mug on this board, I recommend immediate banning. The moron is nothing but a GRRM hater who will stop at nothing to ridicule anyone who likes the books, even while claiming he likes them himself.

  62. Laurent Lacrouts
    Posted September 6, 2011 at 12:46 pm | Permalink

    Elena Amici: epic win

    Sorry ? I guess your message has been somewhat truncated… What did you mean by that, Elena ?
    I was initially reacting to some earlier post – and forgot to quote the poster, who was thinking of Ricky Gervais for Lorch’s part…
    Since I’ve read book 2, I always thought Gervais would be perfect for Dontos – a fine choice in my opinion when you need an actor to blend in quite a subtle way pathetic with oddly touching). Do you know if they already cast someone for that part ?

  63. Elena Amici
    Posted September 6, 2011 at 12:49 pm | Permalink

    Laurent Lacrouts,

    i was meaning that casting Ricky Gervais would be an epic win. Who doesn’t love him? :D

    (they cast somebody. We dont just know WHO they cast)

  64. Laurent Lacrouts
    Posted September 6, 2011 at 12:53 pm | Permalink

    Elena Amici,

    OK, thanks !

  65. mummer
    Posted September 6, 2011 at 12:57 pm | Permalink

    Josh Parker,
    Good grief man, can you please take it down a notch?

    First you post the same exact “Why aren’t they announcing these other roles? I’m concerned!!” complaint a half-dozen times in two days. We get it, we know you’re concerned. FYI, last year the actors for Illyrio, Mirri Maz Duur, and Kevan Lannister were all announced after this date; and it’s pretty unusual for any show to pre-announce so much casting, period; and this year there’s been a lot less communication of any kind, probably because they know they’ve already got all the fan attention they need now no matter what, so if you’re looking for patterns I think you’re just wasting your energy.

    But now you’re going on about how people we haven’t even heard of are terrible and should be banned *if* they ever show up. Ridiculous, gratuitous blog-drama – please don’t start with that.

  66. Lord Two Feathers
    Posted September 6, 2011 at 1:01 pm | Permalink

    Josh Parker,

    Interesting.Thanks for the heads up. You know, I don`t think I will bother reading up on that theory . Osha is played by an up and coming actress, yes, and she has done a great job so far. But making drastic changes just to give her more screen time? No I don`t think so.
    As we know, Osha`s character has a long sabbatical quite soon. Plenty of time to use her GOT experience as a spring board to other projects.

  67. Shinyteapot
    Posted September 6, 2011 at 1:01 pm | Permalink

    Elena Amici,

    ME! Ricky Gervais is one of the few things that would stop me watching the show. He may be wonderful in real life, but anything I’ve ever seen him in has had me changing channel pretty sharpish.

  68. Josh Parker
    Posted September 6, 2011 at 1:02 pm | Permalink

    mummer,

    Okay, you know what? I’m done. Too many trolls at IMDb, and here concern is apparently verboten.

    Have a nice time, guys. I’m done going to GoT message boards of any kind.

  69. Tywin's Bastard
    Posted September 6, 2011 at 1:05 pm | Permalink

    Josh Parker,

    No, you’re not out of line to wish for it. Your first post just suggested that you had a different attitude, which it seems now might not have been accurate. If I said that I’m not interested in seeing more than we’ve got I’d be lying (although I don’t want to know too much).

  70. Tywin's Bastard
    Posted September 6, 2011 at 1:06 pm | Permalink

    daveb,

    I disagree since I, as said, don’t believe fans are entitled to anything. We get information because they appreciate our dedication and it helps create buzz for the show, but they are not obliged to tell us everything.

  71. Lord Two Feathers
    Posted September 6, 2011 at 1:12 pm | Permalink

    Shinyteapot,

    I am with you Shinyteapot. Ricky Gervais …no ,no, no, no, NO!

  72. Pepi
    Posted September 6, 2011 at 1:12 pm | Permalink

    Laurent Lacrouts,

    Hm… ye, Gervais as Dontos sounds good, I agree. However, Lorch is described as a portly fella, and, I dunno why, I see Gervais playing him. And on the other hand… I always imagined ser Dontos to look like (highli unlikely, i know) John C. Reilly.

  73. Dekar
    Posted September 6, 2011 at 1:18 pm | Permalink

    He does have a plain face…

  74. purplejilly
    Posted September 6, 2011 at 1:29 pm | Permalink

    OhDanyBoy: A follow-up on that silly story about that Dublin model that was supposed to be “a king’s mistress” – seems she quit, and gives some details in this article.http://www.herald.ie/entertainment/around-town/dublin-model-quit-hbo-show-over-raunchy-topless-scene-2867423.html

    GOOD FOR HER!!! Dang it, there is enough soft porn on HBO already. Let the girls keep their clothes on!

  75. purplejilly
    Posted September 6, 2011 at 1:30 pm | Permalink

    Lord Two Feathers: I am with you Shinyteapot. Ricky Gervais …no ,no, no, no, NO!

    Me too. I LOVE Ricky G., but he’s a comedian first, and just not that great of an actor. I think seeing him would pull me out of the show world. I’d rather have an unknown.

  76. purplejilly
    Posted September 6, 2011 at 1:36 pm | Permalink

    Heh heh, I wonder if that model who quit was going to have a scene with Ros. LF’s sexposition adventures continue:
    “Now, come sit on this couch, new girl, and Ros will play with various parts of you while I monologue again about my lost love Catelyn, and how I will be taking over the world soon! What, that’s the loudest you can moan? Not anywhere near loud enough. Next!”

  77. Lord Two Feathers
    Posted September 6, 2011 at 1:36 pm | Permalink

    purplejilly: GOOD FOR HER!!!Dang it, there is enough soft porn on HBO already.Let the girls keep their clothes on!

    What about the boys clothes PJ?

  78. Epic Awesomesauce
    Posted September 6, 2011 at 1:39 pm | Permalink

    Lord Two Feathers: Shes glad she walked away with her dignity intact!!??………..Then to go public and accuse HBO of misleading her about the role and call GOT soft porn!…..Just another dime a dozen fake tan celeb. wannabe, with more ambition than talent. Instantly forgetable.

    While she wasn’t very professional leaving the set at the last minute and not knowing what she had gotten herself into… I think it’s a little disturbing that ppl want to throw tomatas at her for her choice of essentially not doing a sex scene and being proud of it.

  79. Clob
    Posted September 6, 2011 at 1:41 pm | Permalink

    I don’t have any problems with this Lisa gal pulling out, but haven’t casting calls we’ve seen listed quite clearly when nudity is required for a role? I guess I would think that she’d known it was a possibility but when it came to actually doing it she just changed her mind about her willingness.

  80. daveb
    Posted September 6, 2011 at 1:43 pm | Permalink

    Pepi: I always imagined ser Dontos to look like (highli unlikely, i know) John C. Reilly.

    So you want Dontos to look like a piece of meatloaf with a face?

  81. Winter Is Coming
    Posted September 6, 2011 at 1:45 pm | Permalink

    Epic Awesomesauce, the thing that rankles is the fact that she is using this opportunity for some self-promotion.

  82. Knurk
    Posted September 6, 2011 at 1:46 pm | Permalink

    Epic Awesomesauce: I think it’s a little disturbing that ppl want to throw tomatas at her for her choice of essentially not doing a sex scene and being proud of it.

    it’s more the fact that she’s constantly seeking for media-attention while being an extra. Good for her for not wanting to do nude tv, but please don’t rub it in our face.

    Josh Parker:
    mummer,

    Okay, you know what? I’m done. Too many trolls at IMDb, and here concern is apparently verboten.

    Have a nice time, guys. I’m done going to GoT message boards of any kind.

    are you always this touchy? Don’t make a drama about something that isn’t a drama, nobody is chasing you away here.

  83. Hi-Fi
    Posted September 6, 2011 at 1:47 pm | Permalink

    Epic Awesomesauce: While she wasn’t very professional leaving the set at the last minute and not knowing what she had gotten herself into… I think it’s a little disturbing that ppl want to throw tomatas at her for her choice of essentially not doing a sex scene and being proud of it.

    What’s to be proud of? It’s a sex scene, she’s an actress. Nobody asked her to shoot people. To this date, it still shocks me to see people viewing sex as anything other than something natural.

  84. purplejilly
    Posted September 6, 2011 at 1:54 pm | Permalink

    Lord Two Feathers: What about the boys clothes PJ?

    Umm, would I be sexist if I said it’s okay for the boys to keep their clothes off?
    :P
    But as long as the “Hodor” count is equal with the boobie count, it should be okay. Now remember, you need two Hodors shown to equal a pair of boobies!

    But seriously, I am wondering what the content and tone of the scene was, to where it caused her to walk out and quit, if that is actually the truth. Because there’s stuff like tasteful, storyline advancing nudity, like Kate Winslet posing for a sketch in Titanic, and then there is LF and his ‘lessons’ to whores.. lol.

  85. Epic Awesomesauce
    Posted September 6, 2011 at 2:00 pm | Permalink

    I’ve never heard of Mongoose McQueen but I came up with the similar theory of the Reeds not being cast in season 2. But my reasons are more positive (as opposed to d&d being sell-outs [they are Hollywood, duh, big fucking deal, this isn't IFC]). The reason mostly that there isn’t enough time to positively draw the Reeds’ characters in a good enough way. But also:

    1. Too many magical characters all of a sudden in a small perimeter.
    2. Seems premeditated with Osha’s development and with a distant view of Rickon’s disappearance for 3 books not really jiving with HBO viewers.
    3. Although 2 persons didn’t agree on these boards during my initial argument, I thought Rickon has a better future on the show than he did in books 2-4 and that he has already in s1 gotten a treatment.

    I feel there are many reasons the Reeds could be cut at least in s2. But if they aren’t cut, that would also not surprise me. I would be more than a little skeptical about their character development being adequate in an already busy bunch of plot lines, bunch of new characters and old, new locations, etc, etc.

  86. Ratatat
    Posted September 6, 2011 at 2:04 pm | Permalink

    Some people here describe Natalia Tena as an up-and-coming actress. “What?!” She’s an established actress. I would not be surprised if they cut the Reeds and their part instead is played by her. If they intend keeping the Reeds, I presume they will size Osha’s part up.

    I don’t think Tena’d take on a small part such as Osha unless promised to get her share of screen time – she played an important supporting part in Harry Potter, come on… I’d wager she’d prefer larger roles in other series or features if she was denied that (unless she’s a hardcore fan of the books).

  87. Langkard
    Posted September 6, 2011 at 2:06 pm | Permalink

    Pepi: they could be filming the Roose Bolton scenes first.

    Pepi: Young Michael York, perhaps? :D

    Noooooo! Now I’m going to keep seeing him as a young Michael York (and you are spot on he does indeed look like York)!

    “Is there gold in the village?”
    “Answer or you’ll go to Carousel, runner!”
    “Is there gold in the village?”
    “Constance!”
    “Is there gold in the village?”
    “Life is a cabaret!”
    “Where is the gold?”
    Just kidding.

  88. Epic Awesomesauce
    Posted September 6, 2011 at 2:06 pm | Permalink

    Hi-Fi,

    This isn’t sex, this is portrayal of sex to the public. Some people aren’t cut out for being naked in public for entertainment purposes. Some people feel they are above it. It doesn’t necessarily have anything to do with their private sexuality. This woman just started her career; she’s green. She could have chickened out most likely. I totally agree she at the very least was not professional and probably hurt her career a great deal by doing what she did and even advertising it publicly. Most models are expected to get naked at the drop of a hat; basically do what they are told immediately and without complaining.

  89. Lex
    Posted September 6, 2011 at 2:07 pm | Permalink

    OhDanyBoy:
    A follow-up on that silly story about that Dublin model that was supposed to be “a king’s mistress” – seems she quit, and gives some details in this article.

    http://www.herald.ie/entertainment/around-town/dublin-model-quit-hbo-show-over-raunchy-topless-scene-2867423.html

    THANK GOD. So glad she left the show. That original article was so annoying on so many levels (the way it made her sound like a leading character “rubbing shoulders with the likes of Sean Bean and Lena Headey”, and the stupid part about her boyfriend being upset that she’s taking the role). It’s fine that she didn’t feel comfortable with on-screen nudity, but the tone of the whole article just made her sound incredibly pompous and conceited. You don’t want a role on HBO’s hottest new show? Fine, but please move along and skip the dramatic articles. Nobody cares.

    She sums it up perfectly when she says “It’s my own fault really because I didn’t research the show properly.”

  90. Hi-Fi
    Posted September 6, 2011 at 2:20 pm | Permalink

    Epic Awesomesauce,

    Oh, I understand that. And I have no problem with an actor who prefers not to do nudity, it’s in their right. My issue was with the “being proud of it” part, as if doing nudity or a sex scene was something reproachable. : )

  91. daveb
    Posted September 6, 2011 at 2:21 pm | Permalink

    Knurk: it’s more the fact that she’s constantly seeking for media-attention while being an extra. Good for her for not wanting to do nude tv, but please don’t rub it in our face.

    I’m all for people who stand up for their beliefs. But there are several problems with this one.

    1) As WiC said, this is shameless self-promotion. The girl was an extra. And somehow made it seem like she was some kind of star of the show. How much of that was her and how much of that was the writer of the article we don’t know, but it’s not cool.
    2) She’s essentially slamming the other actors in the show who have no problem with nudity. With her comments, she’s saying that the other actors (extras and featured players) who are nude will never be taken seriously. If she left it at “I just didn’t want to do a nude scene, it’s a personal choice, thank you” then that’s fine. But this girl is giving full interviews and building up something out of nothing.
    3) I find it hard to believe that HBO would let her first “interview” go unpunished. Here’s a high profile show, that seems to have strict policies in place as far as actors and crew members leaking info (like the time Finchy twitpic’ed his Dagmer scar). And they let an extra get away with giving a self-promoting interview? Don’t see it. Something tells me they let her go, and she’s now doing some self-promotion spinning.

  92. OhDanyBoy
    Posted September 6, 2011 at 2:22 pm | Permalink

    Lex,

    Even in this new article, her role is described as a ‘top role.’

  93. Winter Is Coming
    Posted September 6, 2011 at 2:25 pm | Permalink

    OhDanyBoy:
    Lex,

    Even in this new article, her role is described as a ‘top role.’

    Yeah, they need to add a “-less” to that to make it accurate. ;)

  94. dizzy_34
    Posted September 6, 2011 at 2:25 pm | Permalink

    Well I know without a doubt this guy and whoever plays Qyburn is going to be my wife’s least favorite person on the show. (she hates torture scenes) His epic demise should be quite the crowd pleaser though.

  95. Lord Two Feathers
    Posted September 6, 2011 at 2:35 pm | Permalink

    Epic Awesomesauce: While she wasn’t very professional leaving the set at the last minute and not knowing what she had gotten herself into… I think it’s a little disturbing that ppl want to throw tomatas at her for her choice of essentially not doing a sex scene and being proud of it.

    As for her not knowing what she got herself into……….consider this ,if she is an actress cast as a character surely she would have auditioned for the part and once cast been sent a script for her “two day” shoot.Therefore knowing exactly what was expected of her. If she was just an extra,even a featured extra, ( which I think is the general opinion) she is more likely not to have known every detail. In this case she has probably accepted the part thinking (as many newbie extras do) that it would be glamorous, and chickened out last minute.
    I can fully respect anyone who declines to appear naked or do sex scenes on TV. I don`t know if I have big enough cahones to do it myself. But kudos to those that choose to .
    No, why I would throw tomatoes at Lisa Nolan is the blatent spin she has put on the whole affair.

  96. Lord Two Feathers
    Posted September 6, 2011 at 2:41 pm | Permalink

    purplejilly: But as long as the “Hodor” count is equal with the boobie count, it should be okay. Now remember, you need two Hodors shown to equal a pair of boobies!

    I don`t like those odds PJ. Thats going to have to be one giant pair of puppies to equal two Hodors.

  97. Josh Parker
    Posted September 6, 2011 at 2:55 pm | Permalink

    Knurk,

    Sorry, I’m just an emotional cripple today. I’m tired, stressed and I should not have taken that out on mummer, or this board in general.

    Not the first time I’ve been guilty of typing while angry and not thinking clearly.

  98. Winter Is Coming
    Posted September 6, 2011 at 3:00 pm | Permalink

    Josh Parker, nice of you to apologize. You don’t see that on the internet very often. You’re an interesting and loyal poster Josh and we’d hate to lose you. :)

    FWIW, I’m also very curious to know what is going on with the Tullys and the Reeds. But I enjoy any type of casting news. I mean, it could be worse, we could be getting zero casting announcements and still have no clue what is up with the Tullys and Reeds. At least these steady announcements of other minor roles helps keep us busy and gives us something to discuss. :)

  99. mummer
    Posted September 6, 2011 at 3:02 pm | Permalink

    Josh Parker,
    No offense taken – and please understand that I wasn’t telling you to go away – just asking you to turn down the drama dial slightly, especially when it comes to bringing in disputes from other blogs. And I was only asking; it’s not up to me to say what’s verboten. (ETA: hope you’re feeling better soon.)

  100. purplejilly
    Posted September 6, 2011 at 3:04 pm | Permalink

    Lord Two Feathers: No, why I would throw tomatoes at Lisa Nolan is the blatent spin she has put on the whole affair.

    I dunno, I can’t really say that blatant self-promotion is above what I’d expect for an actor or actress – It’s a really tough world out there, and so self-promotion, talking yourself up, making a twitter account and tweeting, having a website, and talking about yourself and your roles just seems like smart marketing, in the digital world.

    I didn’t mind the blatant self-promotion that she was going to be on the show. However, it does seem like she might have knocked herself back down a few credibility points, by then ‘quitting’ in the face of an unsavory scene. Her version makes it sound like the show is operating in “Boogie Nights” mode. Allthough having just finished my catch-up viewing of all four seasons of True Blood, it’s easy to see why HBO expects a lot of nudity from its actors.

    I do think this girl has probably now blacklisted herself for any further HBO work, though.

  101. Lord Two Feathers
    Posted September 6, 2011 at 3:09 pm | Permalink

    Josh Parker,

    Glad your back dude.

  102. Laurent Lacrouts
    Posted September 6, 2011 at 3:09 pm | Permalink

    Pepi,

    I see what you mean with Reilly, a very good call as well – in fact, I think there are many fine chubby-cheeked actors with a sad “Droopy” face who could fit the part.
    I was particularly in favor of Gervais regarding the knight/jester combo : a knight who behave like a jester, who becomes a jester who tries to behave like a knight. I thought he would be great portraying that ambiguity, in order to make yourself wonder : is he such a pathological looser or could we actually expect something from him in the long run ? In my opinion, a comedy actor used to that kind of dynamics would best suit the role… And I was quite excited by the idea of having Gervais trying to feel Sansa up while impersonating “her Florian” !
    Anyway, it seems they already have someone for Dontos, it may be a lost cause as we speak, so I’m backing you up for the Gervais / Lorch idea ;)

  103. loco73
    Posted September 6, 2011 at 3:12 pm | Permalink

    Well, welcome to our newest member of the cast! Pretty funny name, Tickler, since I have not yet read the books…I have no idea about the meaning of his name…Is he a french tickler?

    As for Conan Stevens, I sincerely hope he sticks around on “Game Of Thrones”. Anyways filming is not done until December, so he should have enough time to shoot his scenes for the second season. I mean how much screen time will he get anyways with soo many other characters about to appear? I doubt his scenes will take more than a few days anyways. Besides, “The Hobbitt” has a much longer shooting schedule than “Game Of Thrones”, so with some good time management and planning, it shouldn’t be too hard to go back and forth between both filming locations. The new “Spartacus” show is wrapped and done, its premiere is in a few weeks, so I don’t see that as an obstacle for his continued work on “Game Of Thrones”….besides I don’t think he is ready to just give up on such a tremendous show or role!

    As for Linda Nolan, that model/extra or whatever, well, I mean if she feels uncomfortable doing nude/sex scenes on-screen, then that is fine, I have no issue with her since it is her choice. I think that no actor or actress should ever be put in the position to do something they feel uncomfortable with, or feel pressured, pushed or threatened in any way, shape or form.

    Having said that, why did she feel the need to talk to the press about it, and write articles, tweets etc? It’s not like anything happened. She went on set, she did not agree with what she had to do, left and the matter was closed. Me thinks, as do other posters here, that she does seek to draw attention to herself…which is not necessarily surprising, using this incident as a tool of self-promotion. Just one thing, please stop playing up the morality part. Those are YOUR values, not everybody else’s! Good for you that you don’t want to do nude scenes, but please don’t flaunt that in all our faces and talk about…”my integrity is intact”…Jeeeesh it’s not like she was forced to work on “Game Of Thrones”, and besides she herself acknowledges that she did not research the show and its content before accepting the part…

    Personally I continue to be baffled by all these conservative views and narrow-minded reactions to sex, nudity etc. People seem to aspire to conservative, moralistic views when it comes to this whole issue, yet the porn industry seems to be thriving more than ever. This hypocrisy is most notable in the US, where if you were to believe conventional wisdom everybody is against sex, yet the US continues to be the biggest producer, consumer and exporter of pornography! I might not be good at math but something isn’t adding up!

    As for “Game Of Thrones” and sex/nudity on TV is pretty much the same thing. Yesterday as I flipped through the channels I came across an episode of “Criminal Minds” where a serial killer was kidnapping and murdering women (as in so many of the episodes of that series). So I was treated to an entire scene where a young woman is tortured, cut, mutilated and then strangled…now on AMC they were giving a few days ago a movie, where there is a scene with an art gallery, and among all the works of art, there are several nudes, paintings and sculptures, these guys on AMC were blurring the nudity on the paintings and sculptures?!?!?!!?? And this is NOT the only instance I have seen this, the prize on this has to go to Spike a few years ago, which broadcasted “Showgirls and then went ahead and added a digital dress to many of Elizabeth Berkley’s nude scenes…LOL! So its okay to see somebody get murdered, but not naked!

    My advice to HBO, stick to hiring adult film actresses for the more explicit scenes, just like last season when they contracted Sahara Knite. Sibel Kekili used to do adult movies, and Esmee Bianco is not camera shy by any means…I hope Esmee Bianco will be on the show again come next season…The addage being…if it ain’t broke don’t fix it!

  104. Josh Parker
    Posted September 6, 2011 at 3:28 pm | Permalink

    Winter Is Coming,

    mummer,

    I try to be the same kind of person online that I am in real life. Unfortunately, that means my flaws sometimes come through as well.

    As for this Lisa Nolan chick…I gotta say I side with those who feel she got a big ego and shot herself in the foot. From what we know this was never more than a featured extra role at best, NOT a lead role like the interview seems to be suggesting, and this reeks highly of “I got fired but I’m covering my ass”.

    Anyway, back to topic.

  105. Josh Parker
    Posted September 6, 2011 at 3:29 pm | Permalink

    Lord Two Feathers,

    Thanks. I acted like a child. I enjoy this site and the people on it.

  106. John
    Posted September 6, 2011 at 3:29 pm | Permalink

    daveb: I’m all for people who stand up for their beliefs. But there are several problems with this one.1) As WiC said, this is shameless self-promotion. The girl was an extra. And somehow made it seem like she was some kind of star of the show. How much of that was her and how much of that was the writer of the article we don’t know, but it’s not cool.2) She’s essentially slamming the other actors in the show who have no problem with nudity. With her comments, she’s saying that the other actors (extras and featured players) who are nude will never be taken seriously. If she left it at “I just didn’t want to do a nude scene, it’s a personal choice, thank you” then that’s fine. But this girl is giving full interviews and building up something out of nothing.3) I find it hard to believe that HBO would let her first “interview” go unpunished. Here’s a high profile show, that seems to have strict policies in place as far as actors and crew members leaking info (like the time Finchy twitpic’ed his Dagmer scar). And they let an extra get away with giving a self-promoting interview? Don’t see it. Something tells me they let her go, and she’s now doing some self-promotion spinning.

    Spot on.
    I truly doubt that this unknown woman arrived on the set the very day of filming only to suddenly refuse to do the part. If she actually had lines she would have seen the script (Or her page of the script) before the actual filming was to begin. I’m not sure who this “King’s Mistress” character could be but I’ve a feeling she was no more than a non-speaking extra. And if it was a non-speaking extra role…I’m sure they must have been more than one Nude Extra’s needed for the day’s shoot.

  107. andrea
    Posted September 6, 2011 at 3:37 pm | Permalink

    A question (especially for north-americans and europeans): Is Michael Fassbender very very famous over there? For you… Is there a possibility that he might be hired for the show? I saw him in a few movies so I don´t know how famous he is. He would be a good Ramsay, don´t you think?

  108. the goat
    Posted September 6, 2011 at 3:44 pm | Permalink

    Hell yeah, go Team Tickler!

    Really hope they don’t recast Gregor. Conan’s a badass. He only has a few lines in ACoK, when Arya gets captured and on the march to Harrenhal, most of which will likely be cut anyway. Can’t believe they wouldn’t be able to get Conan on set for 2 or 3 days to shoot the scene where Arya gets captured. All the other shots of Gregor could then be a stand-in wearing the armor.

    Pepi:
    Mountain doesn’t come to Harrenhal until book 3, anyway…

    Um, this is absolutely wrong. Arya, Gendry, Hot Pie are captured and taken to Harrenhal by Gregor and his men. They later leave just before Tywin to attack Riverrun.

  109. dizzy_34
    Posted September 6, 2011 at 3:49 pm | Permalink

    andrea,

    Um, yeah. Him being on the show? Probably not unless it’s a meaty role because his star is rising as they say. He would be a great Mance Rayder, Victarion Greyjoy, Euron Greyjoy, (depending on how they portray the Dornish) Red Viper, John Connington or a Dario Naharis however it’s probably not very likely.

  110. Josh Parker
    Posted September 6, 2011 at 3:49 pm | Permalink

    andrea,

    I would say that after having a major role in X-Men: First Class that Mr. Fassbender is an established movie actor here. Mega-star? Not yet, but he’s a leading man who is building a name for himself. The time when he was a small enough actor that he could take a role like Ramsay is long since over.

    Plus he’s not a good fit for the role. He’s nowhere near creepy enough and Ramsay shouldn’t look like a handsome leading man. I don’t doubt he’ll have some differences from how he’s portrayed in the novel (fleshiness, etc.) but it strikes me as wrong to make him handsome and virile.

  111. Josh Parker
    Posted September 6, 2011 at 3:58 pm | Permalink

    dizzy_34,

    Most of the roles you mentioned he’s too young for. He’s only 34. I know he looks several years older than X-Men co-star James McAvoy, but in reality they are two years apart. I know, I couldn’t believe it either.

  112. andrea
    Posted September 6, 2011 at 4:06 pm | Permalink

    dizzy_34,

    oh well, was just a thought. Thanks.

    Josh Parker: but it strikes me as wrong to make him handsome and virile.

    would be very easy to make him ugly. I think he could be quite vicious but as I said before, it was just an idea. And if he is famous already… it is a pointless idea. Thanks anyway.

  113. MW
    Posted September 6, 2011 at 4:08 pm | Permalink

    loco73:
    This hypocrisy is most notable in the US, where if you were to believe conventional wisdom everybody is against sex, yet the US continues to be the biggest producer, consumer and exporter of pornography!I might not be good at math but something isn’t adding up!

    The US is not a person. It is hundreds of millions of people, some conservative, some not. If some of them love porn and some are against it, it does not make the whole country hypocrites.

  114. Pepi
    Posted September 6, 2011 at 4:09 pm | Permalink

    the goat,

    Right, I’m sorry. I mixed up the events. :/

    Laurent Lacrouts,

    It sure seems strange, though. The fact, that they have Dontos, has been revealed ages ago. Yet we still don’t have the name.

  115. the goat
    Posted September 6, 2011 at 4:11 pm | Permalink

    andrea,

    Think he’s too old for Ramsey, but he would be amazing as Mance or Oberyn. Sadly, he is probably too big at this point.

  116. andrea
    Posted September 6, 2011 at 4:16 pm | Permalink

    the goat,

    I admire how you all remember characters´s ages. I don´t have a clue.

  117. dizzy_34
    Posted September 6, 2011 at 4:17 pm | Permalink

    Josh Parker,

    I’m still holding out hope for Tim Roth being one of those. James Purefoy would be awesome as well. And I’ll beat the drum one more time for Rami Malek as Reek (the first one).

  118. Eleanor
    Posted September 6, 2011 at 4:18 pm | Permalink

    Josh Parker,

    Good to hear.

  119. Knurk
    Posted September 6, 2011 at 4:18 pm | Permalink

    andrea,

    Josh Parker,

    the goat,

    who is this Ramsay person you’re talking about?!? (spoilers people)

  120. andrea
    Posted September 6, 2011 at 4:23 pm | Permalink

    Knurk,

    oh no, you´re mad at me again. I didn´t think it was a spoiler… just a name.
    jijiji you had to edit!

  121. Knurk
    Posted September 6, 2011 at 4:32 pm | Permalink

    andrea,

    whawha damn, you saw that? I edited it right away! I’m still curious when I was mad at you before? It’s a minor spoiler, and as some people said in an other thread non-readers who read this name probably forget it quickly. Still, the name is a pretty big revealing plot point in the book.

  122. GaR
    Posted September 6, 2011 at 4:37 pm | Permalink

    Oh cool, a mention in a news post. You can all say you knew me before I was famous.

  123. Blackfish Blues
    Posted September 6, 2011 at 4:40 pm | Permalink

    loco73:
    Personally I continue to be baffled by all these conservative views and narrow-minded reactions to sex, nudity etc.People seem to aspire to conservative, moralistic views when it comes to this whole issue, yet the porn industry seems to be thriving more than ever.This hypocrisy is most notable in the US, where if you were to believe conventional wisdom everybody is against sex, yet the US continues to be the biggest producer, consumer and exporter of pornography!I might not be good at math but something isn’t adding up!

    As for “Game Of Thrones” and sex/nudity on TV is pretty much the same thing.Yesterday as I flipped through the channels I came across an episode of “Criminal Minds” where a serial killer was kidnapping and murdering women (as in so many of the episodes of that series).So I was treated to an entirescene where a young woman is tortured, cut, mutilated and then strangled…now on AMC they were giving a few days ago a movie, where there is a scene with an art gallery, and among all the works of art, there are several nudes, paintings and sculptures, these guys on AMC were blurring the nudity on the paintings and sculptures?!?!?!!??And this is NOT the only instance I have seen this, the prize on this has to go to Spike a few years ago,which broadcasted “Showgirls and then went ahead and added a digital dress to many of Elizabeth Berkley’s nude scenes…LOL!So its okay to see somebody get murdered, but not naked!

    There has to be a corollary of Godwin’s Law that states “As an online discussion grows longer, the probability of USA bashing approaches 100%.”

    (Not picking on you specifically, Loco73, you’re just in the line of fire.)

    Then again, there might also be another corollary: “As an online discussion grows longer, the probability that Blackfish Blues trots out her theory about sex and violence approaches 100%.”

    In short:
    - Violence is bad. If we’re not sociopaths we all agree on this. When we see it depicted we can have a variety of reaction, but the bottom line is this. We are ALL uneasy, disgusted, saddened – at least I hope so.
    - Sex is… what? Hi-Fi said that sex is natural and I agree, because it’s a part of everybody’s life. But each of us has had different experiences with sex. Some lucky people are happy with it. Some can’t figure it out and suffer for its lack. Some have been hurt irreparably by sex. When we see a sex scene some rightfully enjoy it, but some CAN be offended without being prudes, for a variety of reasons; even people who have a healthy and happy sex life can be annoyed by a scene that in their view trivializes and ridicules sex.

    I’m saddened that a person can’t say “I’m uneasy with watching sex scenes” without being branded a prude and a hypocrite. OK, I wasn’t brief. Alas, I feel very strongly about this.

    Josh Parker,
    virtual hug! I share your worries and I can understand how much one can invest in characters, to the point that if stuff goes wrong in real life, one goes crazy if even our imagination gets screwed.

    But the recent slew of castings reassured me a little. I wish I could share a bit of my Tully Zen with you. Until the next spat, of course, when I’ll curse all message boards and threaten to leave slamming the door! :D Luckily one also finds amazing people on message boards.

  124. dizzy_34
    Posted September 6, 2011 at 4:45 pm | Permalink

    andrea,

    Well he’d be a great cameo for Rhaegar Targaryen too. (Add that to the list of cameos in House of the Undying)

  125. Lord Two Feathers
    Posted September 6, 2011 at 4:47 pm | Permalink

    Fire and Blood commented on Anthony Morris using his Irish brogue when he plays the Tickler. I like the thought of that. A sweet accent on a sour creature, could be wicked.
    A Northen Irish accent definately would not work though, not many actors can pull it off convincingly and nobody can understand it. Anyone who`s seen Sons of Anarchy will know what I mean. I was born in Belfast and I needed subtitles.
    Any way, welcome to the cast Anthony.

  126. Pastor_of_Muppets
    Posted September 6, 2011 at 4:51 pm | Permalink

    dizzy_34:
    andrea,

    Um, yeah. Him being on the show? Probably not unless it’s a meaty role because his star is rising as they say. He would be a great Mance Rayder, Victarion Greyjoy, Euron Greyjoy, (depending on how they portray the Dornish) Red Viper, John Connington or a Dario Naharis however it’s probably not very likely.

    There is only one Mance Rayder and that is James Purefoy.

    And there is only one Red Viper – Cliff Simon.

    But yeah, Fassbender is the shit. I just doubt he’d even be approached, let alone accept a role in Game of Thrones just when his career in Hollywood is about to take off.

  127. andrea
    Posted September 6, 2011 at 4:52 pm | Permalink

    Knurk,

    Yes sir, I saw that and it was funny… I´m pretty alert.
    Maybe not mad but… something like it? When I told you I didn´t see Idris Elba in The Wire? you “commanded” me to watch the show… and you were right. Made me very happy.
    When you’re right, you’re right.

  128. Lord Two Feathers
    Posted September 6, 2011 at 5:04 pm | Permalink

    Blackfish Blues,

    Thanks for the “celeb.” tag you gave me on another thread………gave me a rye smile that did……Firstly I would just like to thank my agent,and a big thanks to my mum and dad who supported me in the early days and especially the fans, this one is for you guys.

  129. andrea
    Posted September 6, 2011 at 5:04 pm | Permalink

    dizzy_34: Well he’d be a great cameo for Rhaegar Targaryen too.

    I don´t know… I think he has a tougher look ?

  130. Josh Parker
    Posted September 6, 2011 at 5:08 pm | Permalink

    dizzy_34,

    I know you mean you just really want one of them to be cast, so I won’t lecture.

    I will say that season two seems to have gone by and large with unfamiliar names (Natalie Dormer notwithstanding) and not exactly A-listers or even people who usually headline TV shows.

    I’m really doubting we’ll get many more recognizable stars. Even Stannis is played by a man not many know outside of acting geeks.

  131. dizzy_34
    Posted September 6, 2011 at 5:18 pm | Permalink

    Josh Parker,

    Of coarse, but you know Purefoy did comment that he’d like a role on the show so you know stranger things have happened. I don’t see GoT as being a huge time commitment to any of the “fringe” characters so you never know. I mean who would have thought that Tonks would be Osha.

  132. Lex
    Posted September 6, 2011 at 5:27 pm | Permalink

    daveb: I’m all for people who stand up for their beliefs.But there are several problems with this one.

    2) She’s essentially slamming the other actors in the show who have no problem with nudity.With her comments, she’s saying that the other actors (extras and featured players) who are nude will never be taken seriously.If she left it at “I just didn’t want to do a nude scene, it’s a personal choice, thank you” then that’s fine.But this girl is giving full interviews and building up something out of nothing.

    Exactly. By saying she walked away with her dignity intact, she’s implying that all the other actors who did nude scenes have no dignity. Nice.

  133. Laurent Lacrouts
    Posted September 6, 2011 at 5:30 pm | Permalink

    Pepi,

    I suspect they took a newcomer for Dontos (as a matter of fact, I didn’t know most of the actors in season1 and was very pleased with all these new faces, so it doesn’t bother me at all). I suppose if they had a well-known actor, they’d have made it known. It makes sense, after all : when you first meet Dontos unable to joust because of his drunken condition, you’re expecting him to get killed off rather quickly, given Joffrey’s frenzy. Even if that quite minor character seemed to be the perfect vessel for some beloved comedy actors, I guess a too familiar face could partly spoil the surprise of Sansa saving his life…

  134. Lex
    Posted September 6, 2011 at 5:30 pm | Permalink

    This is pure speculation… but I wonder if Conan Stevens is a little disgruntled with HBO? It sounded like he was pretty disappointed with how they edited the Hound/Mountain fight (too short, and too much intercutting of other characters, making it pretty much useless for his showreel/portfolio). If this is at all the case, I think it’s sad. Also, isn’t it kind of unusual for him to be silent about this? Maybe he’s just super busy. Who knows.

  135. Josh Parker
    Posted September 6, 2011 at 5:36 pm | Permalink

    Lex,

    I gotta say I was disappointed with how little Mountain we saw in Season 1. He had only one line (“Swooooord!”) and didn’t even appear at Tywin’s council, when he really should have.

  136. Mark Robben
    Posted September 6, 2011 at 5:50 pm | Permalink

    Remember, the rumor about Conan Stevens is just that – a rumor. Additionally, a great many movies and television shows utilize camera stand-ins until they are ready to shoot the real actors. Given the rather limited amount of scenes likely to feature Gregor this season, it’s more than possible they’re using a stand-in until Stevens can arrive. He may shoot his scenes next week, next month or even early next year. Who knows? But just because he’s not there yet does not mean he won’t be on set at all. He’s not truly a “main” character and certainly doesn’t need to be on set constantly. As the poster noted above, he had one line in the first season (maybe two). It’s likely he just isn’t needed yet.

  137. Lex
    Posted September 6, 2011 at 6:26 pm | Permalink

    Just noticed that Conan commented today, in the previous thread (What You Didn’t Know About Season One). Didn’t confirm or deny the rumor, simply mentioned his bigger role in Spartacus Season 2. I’m happy for him, but I really want more Gregor! :(

  138. Grujah
    Posted September 6, 2011 at 6:39 pm | Permalink

    Pastor_of_Muppets: There is only one Mance Rayder and that is James Purefoy.

    And there is only one Red Viper – Cliff Simon.

    Though my heart lies with Joseph Campo:
    http://www.youtube.com/user/GameofThronesJoe#p/u/5/r1wOeE5fCCc
    :)
    I must agree that James Purefoy would freaking own at that role completely, no doubt about it.

    Red Viper is great too.

    And Conan better not give up on Gregor He was a perfect Gregor and I’d hate him if he quits (I’d go as far I and say wouldn’t watch him in anything but I cannot not-watch the Hobbit :P).

  139. Elena Amici
    Posted September 6, 2011 at 7:47 pm | Permalink

    Grujah: Though my heart lies with Joseph Campo:
    http://www.youtube.com/user/GameofThronesJoe#p/u/5/r1wOeE5fCCc

    GREAT!!!! Another Joe Campo supporter!! :)

  140. metalgoddessamb
    Posted September 6, 2011 at 7:50 pm | Permalink

    Lord Two Feathers:
    not many actors can pull it off convincingly and nobody can understand it. Anyone who`s seen Sons of Anarchy will know what I mean. I was born in Belfast and I needed subtitles.

    LOL. I couldn’t understand a word James Cosmo was saying last year on SOA! I thought to myself, “I hope he doesn’t talk like this on Game of Thrones or I’ll really be annoyed!”

  141. Ninepenny
    Posted September 6, 2011 at 8:14 pm | Permalink

    http://justjared.buzznet.com/2011/09/06/eugene-simon-chats-game-of-thrones-fame/ Eugene Simon Chats ‘Game of Thrones’ & Heath Ledger

  142. Assunta
    Posted September 6, 2011 at 8:15 pm | Permalink

    MW: MW
    Posted September 6, 2011 at 4:08 pm | Permalink
    The US is not a person. It is hundreds of millions of people, some conservative, some not. If some of them love porn and some are against it, it does not make the whole country hypocrites.

    Thank you!

  143. Dash
    Posted September 6, 2011 at 8:24 pm | Permalink

    Mark Robben,

    Im pretty sure about benjen stark making quorin half hand part… and iit could be a nice thing!

  144. Assunta
    Posted September 6, 2011 at 8:25 pm | Permalink

    If Michael York and Roddie McDowall had a baby it would look like this guy.

    And I mean that in a good way.

  145. Mark Robben
    Posted September 6, 2011 at 8:31 pm | Permalink

    Dash,

    Wait, I don’t follow……….so you’re saying that instead of Jon killing the Halfhand, he’s going to kill Benjen Stark to prove himself to the Wildlings?

  146. Bro
    Posted September 6, 2011 at 8:40 pm | Permalink

    This Anthony Morris dude should do great as the Tickler. I’d love if he kept the Irish accent because anyone who isn’t Irish can never do a proper Irish accent and I’d love to hear it on GoT. But I have a feeling they’ll want him to speak with an English accent.
    Re Lisa Nolan, better she quit now than she take the role anyway and not put her best into it because she’s uncomfortable. Granted it sounds like a minor role, so the producers won’t have a prob with recasting.

  147. Bro
    Posted September 6, 2011 at 8:42 pm | Permalink

    Dash:
    Mark Robben,

    Im pretty sure about benjen stark making quorin half hand part… and iit could bea nice thing!

    No no no, that would be a horrible thing! I think I would actually cry if D&D went and did that. And this comes from someone who never cries!

  148. Epic knows nothing
    Posted September 6, 2011 at 9:05 pm | Permalink

    Hi-Fi: To this date, it still shocks me to see people viewing sex as anything other than something natural.

    Especially on HBO. With shows like “Real Sex” and a closet stuffed to the brim with merkins, that’s keeping it REAL. It doesn’t get more real than a curly, full bodied, shiney merkin.

    I don’t think sex in tv entertainment is “natural”. It’s contrived and marginally believable.

    Someone is proud for not getting naked on a cable show sex scene? How distasteful! Let’s start a mob and burn her at the stake.

  149. darquemode
    Posted September 6, 2011 at 9:44 pm | Permalink

    Hi-Fi: What’s to be proud of? It’s a sex scene, she’s an actress. Nobody asked her to shoot people. To this date, it still shocks me to see people viewing sex as anything other than something natural.

    My first thought upon reading the article was laughter. Seriously? If you try out for the role of a jockey, you may have to ride horses. If you try out for the role of a misstress that you may have … to be naked. It is jsut common sense really.

    I can respect anyone for keeping to their convictions, but that respect only goes so far.

    She post-freak out put down Game of Thrones by calling it softcore porn. Then she basically said anyone that has done nudity cannot be taken seriously. After that she decided to speak with reporters and hype herself up as some moral light in a morally decaying world. Worst of all the one lesson she learned from this debacle was that she “has a face for TV”. Wow!

    How deluded does one need to be to think that HBO hired an inexperienced model to do sex scenes and play a role of the King’s sexual concubine or mistress because of her face?

    Pssst. Lisa, HBO hired you for your body, not your body of work – seeing as you have none.

  150. BrosBeforeSnows
    Posted September 6, 2011 at 11:28 pm | Permalink

    Whoever said John C. Reilly as Dontos, good call! If only HBO had the cash, he’d be perfect.

  151. Tyrion's Scar
    Posted September 6, 2011 at 11:37 pm | Permalink

    The portrayal of The Mountain was one of [my only?] great disappointment with the first season. I thought he looked downright silly at nearly every instant he was on screen. The armor was absolutely abysmal and his face was laughable. The beard he had made him look like a really bad port star or something.

  152. sjwenings
    Posted September 7, 2011 at 1:01 am | Permalink

    Lex: Just noticed that Conan commented today, in the previous thread (What You Didn’t Know About Season One). Didn’t confirm or deny the rumor, simply mentioned his bigger role in Spartacus Season 2. I’m happy for him, but I really want more Gregor! :(

    That makes me hopeful. If he had abandoned the show, it seems weird to come back here, discuss the show and be one of us still. After he “betrayed” us. Unless they fired him for some weird reason.

    Edit: So I read Conans post and he did at least mention Gregor. Why wouldn’t he want to deny or confirm? What could this mean? Now I’m back to fearing he’s out…

  153. Lex
    Posted September 7, 2011 at 1:19 am | Permalink

    sjwenings,

    Sounds like maybe he doesn’t have confirmation either way, yet? To me, his post seemed to say “Hey, whether or not I come back as Gregor, I got a really great role in Spartacus which is cool!”. Doesn’t sound like he knows yet, otherwise I can’t see why he wouldn’t tell us.

  154. Jim Cross
    Posted September 7, 2011 at 1:19 am | Permalink

    purplejilly,

    Maybe it was something along the lines of the final scene from “Requiem for a Dream”

  155. Sid
    Posted September 7, 2011 at 4:29 am | Permalink

    dizzy_34: Well he’d be a great cameo for Rhaegar Targaryen too.

    andrea: I don´t know… I think he has a tougher look ?

    No, THIS is Rhaegar. Just imagine him with white hair.

  156. Chris77
    Posted September 7, 2011 at 5:14 am | Permalink

    Josh Parker,

    I would be truly pissed if they cut out the Reeds, but I am not yet worried, because if they have cast Dontos a long time ago and have not announced him yet, the same could be true about the Reeds. If there were a spy report that said Rickon, Bran and Osha were filmed leaving a burning Winterfell together, I would be worried, but still hopefull that they were introduced along the road. I think that HBO is drawing out those casting announcements to keep us pumped till they have the first trailers.

    PS: First thing I do after posting this comment is unfollowing Lisa Nolan on Twitter.
    When she was first mentioned here she twittered something like: “Oh 70 more followers in an hour, I wonder why…” I call to all Gatewatchers to unfollow her…

  157. Jambo
    Posted September 7, 2011 at 5:20 am | Permalink

    Chris77:
    Josh Parker,
    PS: First thing I do after posting this comment is unfollowing Lisa Nolan on Twitter.
    When she was first mentioned here she twittered something like: “Oh 70 more followers in an hour, I wonder why…” I call to all Gatewatchers to unfollow her…

    Would it help if I signed up to follow her, only to immediately unfollow her?

  158. Elena Amici
    Posted September 7, 2011 at 5:31 am | Permalink

    loco73: Pretty funny name, Tickler, since I have not yet read the books…I have no idea about the meaning of his name…Is he a french tickler?

    oh. Ahem.

    loco73: Those are YOUR values, not everybody else’s! Good for you that you don’t want to do nude scenes, but please don’t flaunt that in all our faces and talk about…”my integrity is intact”…

    what it’s really, really hypocritical is that she’s a model. I can’t believe she’s never been photographed in topless (or naked) before

  159. Grujah
    Posted September 7, 2011 at 5:59 am | Permalink

    what it’s really, really hypocritical is that she’s a model. I can’t believe she’s never been photographed in topless (or naked) before

    She does say on her modelmayhem profile that “My main interest lies in Fashion, but I am interested in all areas of modeling (except nude or topless). ”

    So I don’t mind her not doing it, I mind press-whoring and especially down-talkinga GoT and producers and calling the show “soft-porn”.

    Nobody talks shit about GoT and gets away with it.

  160. Hear Me Roar
    Posted September 7, 2011 at 6:30 am | Permalink

    If you missed the retweet, another actor has been found:
    http://twitter.com/#!/StevenCole_
    Nothing official, and we don’t know what role. One of his friends tweeted it’s a GoT role. The details fit.

  161. Elena Amici
    Posted September 7, 2011 at 7:05 am | Permalink

    Grujah: She does say on her modelmayhem profile that “My main interest lies in Fashion, but I am interested in all areas of modeling (except nude or topless).

    i didn’t see it. God, i can’t believe i really googled lisa nolan… xD

  162. Chris77
    Posted September 7, 2011 at 7:32 am | Permalink

    Hear Me Roar,

    Hmm, interesting… maybe they casted Sallador San after all.

  163. plop_
    Posted September 7, 2011 at 7:38 am | Permalink

    Chris77,

    Salladhor Saan has already been cast : http://winter-is-coming.net/2011/08/salladhor-saan-cast/

  164. Shinyteapot
    Posted September 7, 2011 at 8:14 am | Permalink

    Hear Me Roar,

    Interesting, I wonder what the role is? He looks like a younger version of the red viper as I picture him (though I’m aware this isn’t as he’s described in the book, my mind doesn’t always match what the book says) but I doubt we’ll see Dorne this series.

  165. Kingthlayer
    Posted September 7, 2011 at 8:34 am | Permalink

    Hear Me Roar:
    If you missed the retweet, another actor has been found:
    http://twitter.com/#!/StevenCole_
    Nothing official, and we don’t know what role. One of his friends tweeted it’s a GoT role. The details fit.

    omg looks like they recast Joffrey – that’s exactly how I pictured him in the books!

  166. you-know-nothing
    Posted September 7, 2011 at 8:39 am | Permalink

    Kingthlayer,

    That’s a joke right???

  167. Epic Awesomesauce
    Posted September 7, 2011 at 8:45 am | Permalink

    you-know-nothing,

    My first guess was a young Daario if he were bumped into Clash.

    Edit: Actually that’s my only guess. Where’s the speculation?

  168. fhan
    Posted September 7, 2011 at 8:49 am | Permalink

    Kingthlayer,

    Awesome! I thought I was the only one who pictured Joffrey as a hot black twentysomething.

    Seriously though, I was thinking more along the lines of Xaro Xhoan Daxos.

  169. you-know-nothing
    Posted September 7, 2011 at 8:54 am | Permalink

    Epic Awesomesauce,

    Daario is a good guess, although maybe he isn’t swarthy enough. He could just be playing someone in the Red Vipers caravan. Too young to play the Viper himself, where there any fellas of significance in his group?? I can’t think of anyone else!

  170. plop_
    Posted September 7, 2011 at 8:55 am | Permalink
  171. fhan
    Posted September 7, 2011 at 8:58 am | Permalink

    plop_,

    thanks, must have missed that.

    Right. What about Vargo Hoat?

  172. plop_
    Posted September 7, 2011 at 8:59 am | Permalink

    you-know-nothing,

    Oberyn and his caravan don’t show up until the third book.

  173. Mormegil
    Posted September 7, 2011 at 9:15 am | Permalink

    At a guess Steven Cole may be playing a reintroduced Jhogo who can now appear because his soundalike Drogo is gone.

    Or if not specifically Jhogo than another un named Bloodrider.

  174. Adam Whitehead
    Posted September 7, 2011 at 9:15 am | Permalink

    On the Gregor issue, I thought that HBO signed the actors on contracts that would guarantee that they were coming in for the following seasons their characters are part of?

    The title cast members (i.e. those credited in the opening title sequence) are, to my knowledge, under such a contract, plus a few recurring ones (my guess is that Conleth Hill would be under such a contract, for example, maybe Jerome Flynn, Ron Donachie and Donald Sumpter as well). Beyond that, people who appeared in 1 or 2 episodes were not put on such a contract, as this involves a retainer. This can be extremely expensive for a large cast and HBO has refused to do it in the past (the sinking of DEADWOOD, for example, was partially down to HBO not being able to get the whole cast back to film the fourth and final season and not being willing to put all of them on retainer).

    Hear Me Roar,

    I’d definitely lean towards someone in Qarth, maybe a servant or associate of Xaro’s? The other possibility would be a Dothraki (maybe now we’ve lost Drogo, they’re willing to cast a Jhogo?). As an outside bet, maybe another one of the Brave Companions (as mercenaries from all over the ASoIaF world, why not?), one of Saan’s ship captains or crewmen, or – highly unlikely – Jalabher Xho? It appears his scenes involve riding a horse, so Jhogo or a mercenary would appear more likely.

  175. you-know-nothing
    Posted September 7, 2011 at 9:23 am | Permalink

    plop_,

    Whoops, i’m getting the books all muddled.

    After reading his tweets and the posts here, i think he’s probably playing a Bloodrider of some sort. He tweeted that he was going horse riding??? He could just have been horse riding but then where’s the fun in that!!!

  176. fhan
    Posted September 7, 2011 at 10:22 am | Permalink

    you-know-nothing,

    a horse doth not a Dothraki make. I’ve got my money on a bloody mummer.

  177. Epic Awesomesauce
    Posted September 7, 2011 at 10:30 am | Permalink

    Maybe one of Renly’s little friends?

  178. purplejilly
    Posted September 7, 2011 at 10:58 am | Permalink

    Blackfish Blues: I’m saddened that a person can’t say “I’m uneasy with watching sex scenes” without being branded a prude and a hypocrite. OK, I wasn’t brief. Alas, I feel very strongly about this.

    Thanks Blackfish Blues, this was a good explanation – not too long at all! I’ve been thinking about this all night (the sex scene stuff), and here’s another explanation for why I feel the way I do about it. While sex is natural, beautiful, and far better than watching someone get strangled and murdered, it’s still mostly a private, intimate thing.

    What I do alone with my husband, in our bedroom, with all our clothes off, along with our jackass and our honeycomb, is beautiful, natural, thing, and we have fun, we enjoy it, and afterwards we go to sleep.

    But I don’t go in to work the next day, and talk about what we did, or describe it to co-workers – I talk about the news, or a TV show we all like to watch, or recipes for next night’s dinner, or what we did over the weekend. Just because something is beautiful and natural doesn’t mean I am going to share it publicly. And I feel the same way about watching other people be intimate, even when I know it’s not real, because it’s a movie, or a TV show. I don’t want to share that much intimacy with them. I don’t need to see actual sex acts being done, it’s enough to see the before or after, or have someone else tell me that “so and so hooked up”, for plotline purposes.

    I don’t think saying ‘prudish’ or ‘double standard’ is a fair way to describe it. Giving birth is beautiful and natural, yet you are not going to find a lot of people comfortable with close-ups of that either. Surgery reminds me of another intimate type of act that I don’t want to see, and feel very uncomfortable watching it on screen.

    When I got a blood clot and it went to my heart last spring, I went through a lot of graphic stuff. But when I went back to work and talked to my co-workers about it, I did NOT share gory details with them, and I really think they would not have wanted to hear that much stuff, either. It’s past a ‘comfort level’ that most people feel.

    (For the record I don’t like watching violence either, so I am not saying violence is okay, but sex and nudity is not)

  179. purplejilly
    Posted September 7, 2011 at 11:02 am | Permalink

    Jim Cross: Maybe it was something along the lines of the final scene from “Requiem for a Dream”

    OMG that final scene was nightmarish. Allthough hopefully a good anti-drug lesson for some..

  180. Pepi
    Posted September 7, 2011 at 11:19 am | Permalink

    Hear Me Roar:
    If you missed the retweet, another actor has been found:
    http://twitter.com/#!/StevenCole_
    Nothing official, and we don’t know what role. One of his friends tweeted it’s a GoT role. The details fit.

    Strong Belwas. Doh.

  181. Josh Parker
    Posted September 7, 2011 at 11:38 am | Permalink

    Hear Me Roar,

    Wow. Don’t know who this could be at all, most of the suggestions sound likely.

    It must be an actual role and not an extra, because Werthead asks this: “Congrats on getting the role! Are you allowed to say what role it is?”

    His reply: “@Werthead I wouldn’t want to ruin the story for you guys :)”

    I sincerely doubt if he’s Jhogo or some background character like Xho, as that wouldn’t ruin the story.

    However, I just don’t know. Since he’s worried about “ruining the story”, I’m guessing someone we’d recognize, possibly Vargo Hoat or Rattleshirt.

  182. Epic Awesomesauce
    Posted September 7, 2011 at 11:39 am | Permalink

    purplejilly: OMG that final scene was nightmarish. Allthough hopefully a good anti-drug lesson for some..

    Nightmarish, that was the intention I agree. That scene had purpose to shock, when all else was exhausted. It was the director’s way of getting into Hubert Selby Jr’s mind maybe. In the book Last Exit to Brooklyn, you get that sort of material over and over–hell on earth nightmare. Makes you feel something.

    Much TV-MA nudity and screen sex is childish in intent. Maybe the first defense is: “don’t be such a prude”.

    A good argument when there is actually a point for the sex and nudity. An obvious example Belle de Jour. Makes you feel something.

    In GoT the sex and nudity is fully gratuitous. It doesn’t have a point beyond an adventure story scene. In most likelihood, the persons involved in the act don’t even like each other. It is what it is. If you feel uncomfortable by it, it’s because you obviously have private sex issues–you should feel NOTHING.

    Edit: I meant La Belle Noiseuse not Belle de Jour.

  183. dizzy_34
    Posted September 7, 2011 at 11:50 am | Permalink

    Josh Parker,

    Maybe a deviated from the source material (fat) Zollo.

  184. BrosBeforeSnows
    Posted September 7, 2011 at 11:53 am | Permalink

    Hear Me Roar,

    Clearly, we have our Ygritte…

    If he’s one of the Mummers, he could be Shagwell, although I don’t think he has many lines until ASOS.

  185. witless chum
    Posted September 7, 2011 at 11:53 am | Permalink

    Jilly, I know I’m not a regular poster here, so I’ll explain I don’t mean this dickishly, but why not say you’re a bit of a prude? If that’s how you feel, own it, type of thing.The dictionary definition of prude is: a person who is excessively proper or modest in speech, conduct, dress, etc.

    For me and my peers at least, discomfort with watching sex scenes in a TV show would qualify as “excessively proper.” Maybe it is for most people, maybe it isn’t. I don’t claim to know. (Just please don’t think of this as an endorsement of the endless Littlefinger scene or season 1 sexposition scenes, which were often not good.) I guess ‘prude’ kinda has a bad connotation, but it reads to me like you’re saying ‘Don’t call me a prude just because I’m prudish.”

    And:
    I’d personally rather they chop the Reeds than do them poorly. But if they’re changing the story, they could just have the Reeds meet Bran on his trip north during season 3. He, Osha, Rickon and the wolves could just leave Winterfell and then run into the Reeds. They could be waiting in a glade and Jojen could say he dreamed they’d meet here. Or Osha could just have dreams, but then I’m not sure how you split Rickon and Bran up.

  186. witless chum
    Posted September 7, 2011 at 11:54 am | Permalink

    Oh, and I think our new Tickler here looks a bit like Anthony Michael Hall, circa Dead Zone.

  187. Josh Atreides
    Posted September 7, 2011 at 11:56 am | Permalink

    Sean Harris from Red Riding and The Borgias as Reek or as Rattleshirt. It is known.

  188. Epic Awesomesauce
    Posted September 7, 2011 at 12:05 pm | Permalink

    witless chum:
    Oh, and I think our new Tickler here looks a bit like Anthony Michael Hall, circa Dead Zone.

    Nice.

  189. Adam Whitehead
    Posted September 7, 2011 at 12:06 pm | Permalink

    Yup, Steven was being cagey :)

    I thought I recognised him. He was in the British soap BROOKSIDE from 1996-2001 as a child actor, playing the role of Leo Johnson. He’s still in his 20s, whilst I got the impression people like Hoat were older and more decrepit. They could change it for the TV show, of course, but the vibe I get is perhaps one of the other mercenaries or maybe a Dothraki or Qartheen. Hoat I think would be an older actor, unless they decided to go in a totally new direction.

  190. Josh Parker
    Posted September 7, 2011 at 12:11 pm | Permalink

    dizzy_34,

    Practically anyone he’s cast as would be changed from the books, other than Jhallabar.

    I just thought of something; what if they’re going to expand Xhalabar’s role? It could explain why he doesn’t want to say too much; actual lines or a plot for Jhallabar would be a huge change that he doesn’t want to spoil.

  191. Pepi
    Posted September 7, 2011 at 12:20 pm | Permalink

    Btw… I know this isn’t exactly on topic… but, what do you guys think about Bruce Spence for Vargo Hoat? I know he’s from australia… but he usually ends up playing those smaller roles and kinda fits my mental image of Hoat. And… if the day ever comes, when they have to recast ser Gregor(i sure hope not), they should get Nathan Jones for the role. Hell, Conan and he even know each other.

  192. Chris77
    Posted September 7, 2011 at 12:20 pm | Permalink

    plop_: Chris77,

    Salladhor Saan has already been cast : http://winter-is-coming.net/2011/08/salladhor-saan-cast/

    …yup, I always confuse Salladhor with Jhalabar… my bad…
    Another guess would be, since they seem to get Jaime on the way early, the Dothraki from the mummers who takes care of his hand

  193. Josh Parker
    Posted September 7, 2011 at 12:21 pm | Permalink

    Pepi,

    He’d be awesome. So would Julian Richings.

  194. BrosBeforeSnows
    Posted September 7, 2011 at 12:23 pm | Permalink

    Josh Parker,

    The more I think about it, the more Vargo Hoat seems likely, if he really does have a significant role. As far as the controversial practice of race-changing characters from the books, HBO only seems to do it for characters from across the Narrow Sea (i.e. Salladhor Saan, Xaro Xhoan Daxos), so casting a black actor to play Hoat would seem to follow that logic.

    It would be much tougher for them to race-change a Wildling like Rattleshirt, in my opinion. As far as political correctness goes, they are supposed to be white savages (so far as HBO is concerned), which more or less serves as a counterbalance to the image of the Dothraki (and if you recall, HBO and GRRM were both accused of racism for portraying the non-whites on the show as savages). No way HBO would cast a black actor to play a Wildling. It wouldn’t make much sense anyway, given that they reside in the FAR north of Westeros.

  195. Nick Larter
    Posted September 7, 2011 at 12:26 pm | Permalink

    If it’s Harrenhal filming at the moment then Steven Cole might be one of the Mountain’s crew or one of the Bloody Mummers.

    Timeon of Dorne probably best matches his look – no reason why they couldn’t mix & match the roles. Hoat? Why not? Or Urswyck, Shagwell or Polliver???

  196. dizzy_34
    Posted September 7, 2011 at 12:27 pm | Permalink

    Josh Parker,

    Well Zollo also has a pretty big impact on the story for such a minor character. More than Xhalabar Xo for sure.

  197. Kingthlayer
    Posted September 7, 2011 at 12:48 pm | Permalink

    you-know-nothing: Kingthlayer, That’s a joke right???

    an attempt at one anyway! :)

    Seriously though, what throws me off is that he’s filming in Belfast which I think would suggest he’s not beyond the narrow sea or in king’s landing which leaves the north or iron isles really – maybe night’s watch? harrenhall? hmmm

  198. Epic Awesomesauce
    Posted September 7, 2011 at 12:55 pm | Permalink

    Kingthlayer: what throws me off is that he’s filming in Belfast

    But, we don’t know that for a fact. Didn’t he get a costume fitting yesterday? Isn’t he back in London today? He could be training.

  199. Pepi
    Posted September 7, 2011 at 12:59 pm | Permalink

    Josh Parker,

    Richings is a good option indeed. Or what about Ben Cross? An aged up prince Malagant with a goatee kinda fits Hoat aswell. :D

  200. Josh Atreides
    Posted September 7, 2011 at 1:02 pm | Permalink

    Question: How far into filming was Tywin Lannister or Walder Frey cast?

    Could it be the Tully scenes will be shot later on? I can see them waiting just near the end to cast a Donald Sutherland or a Derek Jacobi as Hoster or a Damian Lewis as Edmure for example.

    My pics for Reek/Ramsay

    Sean Haris (a little old)
    Rami Malek
    David Oakes (like Harris he’s from the Borgias and is best known for playing William Hamleigh in Pillars of the Earth, I can see him as Reek/Ramsay with a little makeup. He has the nastiness for it.
    Eddie Redmayne (also from Pillars)
    Cillian Murphy (will never happen)
    Garrett Dillahunt (will probably not happen)

    And for the Blackfish: my personal choice goes to Anthony Stewart Head. I think he could rock that role. And I don’t see his new TV series lasting very long.

    Rhaegar Targaryen in the House of the Undying: Benedict Cumberbatch.

    For the Queen of Thorns Olenna Tyrell: Sian Phillips (probably not until Season 3)

  201. Jambo
    Posted September 7, 2011 at 1:02 pm | Permalink

    Hear Me Roar:
    If you missed the retweet, another actor has been found:
    http://twitter.com/#!/StevenCole_
    Nothing official, and we don’t know what role. One of his friends tweeted it’s a GoT role. The details fit.

    My first guess would be one of the Dothraki/Dany’s bloodriders.

  202. KG
    Posted September 7, 2011 at 1:03 pm | Permalink

    Clob,

    There’s “nudity” like the women who were standing around with their boobs hanging out, then there’s “gross” like the infamous LF scene. She has a right to decide what she doesn’t want to do. Good for her!

  203. KG
    Posted September 7, 2011 at 1:04 pm | Permalink

    daveb,

    Oh God FORBID an actress would be interested in self-promotion LOL

  204. Josh Atreides
    Posted September 7, 2011 at 1:04 pm | Permalink

    Peter Stormare should be Vargo Hoat.

    But that probably won’t happen.

  205. purplejilly
    Posted September 7, 2011 at 1:11 pm | Permalink

    witless chum: Jilly, I know I’m not a regular poster here, so I’ll explain I don’t mean this dickishly, but why not say you’re a bit of a prude? If that’s how you feel, own it, type of thing.The dictionary definition of prude is: a person who is excessively proper or modest in speech, conduct, dress, etc.

    But I’m not prudish. The dictionary definition of it doesn’t fit me at all. We’ve had some long discussions about this before, so I will only briefly recap – it’s not sex scenes that bother me per se – it’s poorly done, crude sex scenes, that don’t advance the plot, and are just thrown in to meet a (real or percieved) nudity quota. I have felt that the majority of the GoT sex/nudity scenes last year were of this variety. But that’s my opinion. Plenty of people here liked them.

  206. KG
    Posted September 7, 2011 at 1:14 pm | Permalink

    purplejilly,

    It’s not prudish to think that the things that take place in “private lives” should remain “private.”

    I tend to use the word “civilized,” not “prude.”

  207. Pepi
    Posted September 7, 2011 at 1:18 pm | Permalink

    Josh Atreides,

    Imo you can add Tom Hiddleston to the list of Ramsays. Pale eyes fit the bill. Even less probable than Murphy, though.

  208. Queensmoot
    Posted September 7, 2011 at 1:27 pm | Permalink

    Josh Atreides,

    You’re absolutely right about Sean Harris! I loved him in 24 Hour Party People as Ian Curtis. That was a great and dark performance. I see Reek as a bit fleshier, I think someone says he looks like he’ll get fat as he gets older.

    I could perhaps see Sean Harris as Qyburn. He does have a certain darkness about him. I can’t remember how old Qyburn is supposed to be though.

    Someone made a great list of people that are not yet cast, and I noticed Lollys. They kind of need her this season – even though she doesn’t really effect Tyrion’s story in a pivital way until ASOS, the setup in ACOK is very important – not to mention one of the best scenes. I listened to the audio book and I was on the edge of my seat for that. It will be amazing on screen, I’m sure!

    I can see several ways to get around her, but none are terribly elegant.

  209. Epic Awesomesauce
    Posted September 7, 2011 at 1:32 pm | Permalink

    KG:
    purplejilly,

    It’s not prudish to think that the things that take place in “private lives” should remain “private.”

    I tend to use the word “civilized,” not “prude.”

    :D There’s always a counter argument….

    I recently had a marathon running of Breaking Bad episodes. During the first season we see some insight to a person going through chemotherapy. It’s a close and graphic perspective to something I have not seen before. It was a look into the private life of someone with cancer going through treatment. Cancer is such a widespread deadly disease that such a display is a service to humanity; cancer is a fucking institution.

    Sometimes, breaking the ‘ice’ and showing what goes on in private is taboo, but it is also very helpful to so many people. They learn something important.

    Of course, you were probably talking about hotdogs and doughnuts; the old in-out; but you gotta be more specific eh? ;)

  210. MAC
    Posted September 7, 2011 at 1:37 pm | Permalink

    KG,

    …Okay, maybe I agree with you in principle (and really, the number of sex scenes made up for the show is a bit excessive, and it’s actually kind of an uncreative crutch now that they’ve done it five or six times) but what would we have that would be worth watching or reading if we applied this “private life should stay private” standard of yours?

  211. Josh Parker
    Posted September 7, 2011 at 1:51 pm | Permalink

    Queensmoot,

    This is who I picture as Lollys.

    I think she will be in the show, maybe, but probably as a mention only, one of those talked-about-but-never-seen characters. However, if they cast her, that’s who I think should play her. Her name is Laura Jane Laughlin.

  212. Josh Atreides
    Posted September 7, 2011 at 1:57 pm | Permalink

    Queensmoot,

    Check out Harris in Red Riding. What a creature! He is positively riveting on The Borgias as Micheletto Corella, Cesare Borgia’s right hand man.

    Malcolm McDowell or David Warner for Qyburn.

  213. Josh Parker
    Posted September 7, 2011 at 2:15 pm | Permalink

    The farther we get into this production, the less I want to play the casting game. I love casting; I do it with nearly everything I read. But so many roles have been cast with names we never thought of, and many characters are clearly being re-imagined for this series.

    Would I love to see David Warner or James Purefoy show up in a role? Sure. Do I think it likely? Not really. Purefoy has expressed interest in “the right role” on this show, but I’m of the mind that he’ll probably end up being too busy.

  214. Josh Atreides
    Posted September 7, 2011 at 2:37 pm | Permalink

    Josh Parker,

    Hey man whatever kills a workday…’tis a free country. Winter should create a random casting speculation thread. Until then….

  215. Jonas
    Posted September 7, 2011 at 2:38 pm | Permalink

    I think Guy Henry( http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0377844/ ) could be a good Vargo Hoat. He’s tall, and he almost got the look in the two latest Harry Potter movies.
    http://images3.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20110706011247/harrypotter/images/thumb/0/0a/ThicknesseMalfoyManor.jpg/427px-ThicknesseMalfoyManor.jpg

  216. Josh Parker
    Posted September 7, 2011 at 2:51 pm | Permalink

    Josh Atreides,

    Oh, I don’t fault anyone else for it. Just expressing my current ennui.

    Jonas,

    He’d do a great job. Oh, great, there I go again.

  217. Josh Atreides
    Posted September 7, 2011 at 2:57 pm | Permalink

    Josh Parker,

    I sympathize sir, I have ennui x 1000. So much so that I don’t care who they cast really anymore only that they cast these people soon. But I keep my fingers crossed on some of the suggestions.

  218. purplejilly
    Posted September 7, 2011 at 2:58 pm | Permalink

    Epic Awesomesauce,
    I would say Breaking Bad is a show on its own level. It’s a work of art. My husband told me the premise, he was watching about 6 weeks before I started, and I said:
    “No way am I going to watch some stupid show that glamorizes “Drug Dealing”. With that dorky dad from “Malcolm in the Middle”, no less!”

    Wow, was I wrong. Boy, did I watch! I still had to close my eyes plenty of times for the violence, but man, the storylines, the dialogue, the way it’s produced. And OMG Bryan Cranston. Did I misjudge him, or what? He’s amazing!

    This is a good example, though, of a private and sensitive issue used in the proper way, to advance the plot. I don’t object to this type of portrayal.

  219. Josh Atreides
    Posted September 7, 2011 at 2:59 pm | Permalink

    Jonas,

    He also played Gaius Cassius Longinus on HBO’s Rome.

  220. Josh Parker
    Posted September 7, 2011 at 3:02 pm | Permalink

    Josh Atreides,

    Yeah. At this point they could cast Saffron Burrows as Ygritte, Timothy Spall as Edmure and Alfie Enoch and Billie Piper as Jojen and Meera, and my immediate response would be “at least we know they’re being included.”

    And blind rage would follow later.

  221. MAC
    Posted September 7, 2011 at 3:14 pm | Permalink

    Josh Parker,

    James Purefoy for Dario.

  222. Pepi
    Posted September 7, 2011 at 3:17 pm | Permalink

    Btw… it’s not rly important, but i think it’s worth mentioning. Tobho Mott(episode 4) and Walder Frey(episode 9, but quite a big name) were announced last year, somewhere in the end of November. So, if you ask me, we have nothing to worry about. It’s December, when I’ll start panicking about certain roles. :D

  223. Josh Parker
    Posted September 7, 2011 at 3:21 pm | Permalink

    Pepi,

    Actually, considering each man made exactly one appearance this past season, that’s not a comfort at all.

  224. Josh Parker
    Posted September 7, 2011 at 3:22 pm | Permalink

    MAC,

    Oded Fehr is Daario. It is known.

  225. Josh Atreides
    Posted September 7, 2011 at 3:38 pm | Permalink

    Josh Parker,

    Oded Fehr is The Red Viper. It is Known.

  226. Josh Atreides
    Posted September 7, 2011 at 3:39 pm | Permalink

    MAC,

    What a waste of James Purefoy. Purefoy as Jon Connington. Now that would be awesome.

  227. OhDanyBoy
    Posted September 7, 2011 at 3:41 pm | Permalink

    Josh Parker,

    Here are the castings announced last year after September 7th.

    September:
    Myrcella and Tommen.
    Illyrio Mopatis.
    Rickon Stark.
    Mirri Maz Duur.

    October:
    Lommy Greenhands and Hot Pie.
    Meryn Trant.

    November:
    Kevan Lannister.
    Stiv, Stableboy, Bowen Marsh.
    Beric Dondarrion.
    Walder Frey.
    Tobho Mott.

  228. Jonas
    Posted September 7, 2011 at 3:49 pm | Permalink

    Josh Atreides:
    Jonas,

    He also played Gaius Cassius Longinus on HBO’s Rome.

    Ah, great, didn’t notice that! Guess HBO might have him in their mind for some role, like they’ve done with other actors involved in other HBO shows.

  229. Bono
    Posted September 7, 2011 at 3:51 pm | Permalink

    Derek Jacobi as Hoster

    Yes, give him to the show!!! I just admire this guy.

  230. Josh Parker
    Posted September 7, 2011 at 4:12 pm | Permalink

    OhDanyBoy,

    Myrcella and Tommen: practically featured extras
    Illyrio Mopatis: Appeared in two episodes
    Rickon Stark: Practically a featured extra, appeared in 3 episodes
    Mirri Maz Duur: Appeared in three episodes
    Lommy Greenhands and Hot Pie: Appeared in ONE episode
    Meryn Trant: Featured extra, two episodes
    Kevan Lannister: Three episodes
    Stiv, Stableboy, Bowen Marsh: Featured extras, one episode, one episode, two episodes
    Beric Dondarrion: Featured extra, one episode
    Walder Frey: One episode
    Tobho Mott: One episode

    Jojen & Meera: Major characters who appear in all but one Bran chapter
    Edmure: Major character necessary for the Catelyn/RW storyline, already pushed back once

    I’m not trying to be a downer. Really, I’m not. But there’s just no comparison. The Reeds and Edmure are major characters that appear often and early. All the characters you mentioned are minor in terms of screentime, and many are minor in terms of plot relevance.

    Perhaps you get a better picture of why I’m nervous now?

  231. Epic The Balls
    Posted September 7, 2011 at 4:21 pm | Permalink

    Josh Parker: Perhaps you get a better picture of why I’m nervous now?

    a little more every day, yes

  232. Josh Parker
    Posted September 7, 2011 at 4:24 pm | Permalink

    OhDanyBoy,

    For that matter, with the exception of a few of the child actors and other featured extras, nearly everyone you named were from late-late-late in the season. One of them was a replacement for a previously cast role.

  233. GaR
    Posted September 7, 2011 at 4:27 pm | Permalink

    Josh Parker,

    It must be very stressful being you.

    Just chill. The Reeds, if included, will probably only end up being in 2 or 3 episodes anyway. Bugger all happens at Winterfell this season.

    Same with Edmure. Important stuff happens involving him, but he’ll probably only appear a couple of times this season. Much like many of those characters ODB listed.

  234. Pepi
    Posted September 7, 2011 at 4:28 pm | Permalink

    If Edmure and Reeds are cast, I think we can expect… I dunno… 3 episodes for Edmure, and 4 episodes for the Reeds, at best? Remember… with book 2 the story kinda expands. We get “the Dragonstone faction”. The Starks are all separated(even more than in book 2). And stuff like that. And the season will again be only 10 eps long. So we’ll probably be seeing a little bit of everything(or most of the things, anyway). A little bit. An even smaller bit than the last time. Riverrun will probably(again… IF) be like… 2 episodes? Something similar to Vale in season 1. So the roles we’re waiting for are importancy-wise probably on par with MMD, Kevan and Illyrio(for S1).
    Just my thoughts.

  235. Josh Parker
    Posted September 7, 2011 at 4:32 pm | Permalink

    Pepi,

    Oddly enough I hope you’re right. Meeting each, even briefly, would be better than cutting them or shunting them to next season.

  236. purplejilly
    Posted September 7, 2011 at 4:35 pm | Permalink
  237. Shinyteapot
    Posted September 7, 2011 at 4:41 pm | Permalink

    Bono,

    Jacobi is brilliant- but I hope if he’s in the show he gets a better role than Hoster, who I suspect will have a much reduced presence mumble “Tansy”- dies

    Would love to see him as Maester Marwyn if the show gets that far.

  238. witless chum
    Posted September 7, 2011 at 5:15 pm | Permalink

    purplejilly: But I’m not prudish.The dictionary definition of it doesn’t fit me at all.We’ve had some long discussions about this before, so I will only briefly recap – it’s not sex scenes that bother me per se– it’s poorly done, crude sex scenes, that don’t advance the plot, and are just thrown in to meet a (real or percieved) nudity quota.I have felt that the majority of the GoT sex/nudity scenes last year were of this variety.But that’s my opinion.Plenty of people here liked them.

    Oh, my bad. I took thought you were saying you didn’t like all sex scenes in TV shows and movies and such with your previous posting.

  239. Epic The Balls
    Posted September 7, 2011 at 5:31 pm | Permalink

    purplejilly:
    More Auditions?

    Apparently they are huge fans of this site. http://i52.tinypic.com/14m8fhl.jpg

  240. The Instrumentalist
    Posted September 7, 2011 at 5:41 pm | Permalink

    Sup guys! Game of Thrones is goin’ up for some of Spike’s Scream Awards!

    http://www.spike.com/events/scream-awards-2011/voting/the-ultimate-scream

    Votevotevote fellow Gatewatchers! :D

  241. Lex
    Posted September 7, 2011 at 6:10 pm | Permalink

    Josh Atreides:
    Peter Stormare should be Vargo Hoat.

    This.

  242. A Man Grown
    Posted September 7, 2011 at 6:28 pm | Permalink

    Josh Atreides,

    Good call on Eddie Redmayne, then all three of the main actors from Black Death will have been on the show haha. He also worked with Stephen Dillane in Savage Grace

  243. KG
    Posted September 7, 2011 at 6:35 pm | Permalink

    MAC,

    Everyone has their own personal limit. We should respect that, whatever that limit may be. The LF scene of infamy crashed right into my limit, and I got up and walked out of the room.

    Does that make me an inferior person? A superior person? No, it just makes me … me.

  244. metalgoddessamb
    Posted September 7, 2011 at 7:44 pm | Permalink

    I have to admit I’m a bit anxious about the Reeds also. I want them included, I think they are important, and I’ll be pissed if they’re cut or very greatly reduced.

    just my 2 cents.

  245. userj
    Posted September 7, 2011 at 8:08 pm | Permalink

    re: Gregor – is he even onscreen in the 2nd book? Not much if so IIRC.

  246. Epic Awesomesauce
    Posted September 7, 2011 at 8:17 pm | Permalink

    metalgoddessamb: I’ll be pissed if they’re … very greatly reduced.

    You mean like every single character on the show?

    purplejilly,

    I am completely enthralled by Breaking Bad. Just brilliant.

  247. HumMis1349
    Posted September 7, 2011 at 9:11 pm | Permalink

    Bro,

    I’d like to see the Reeds with Irish accents, because crannogs are an Irish thing in real life. I’d also like to see people in White Harbor with Scouse accents.

  248. MAC
    Posted September 7, 2011 at 9:14 pm | Permalink

    Josh Atreides,

    A waste, maybe, but I can just see it. Nobody plays an amiably vicious sleazeball like Purefoy.

  249. Lex
    Posted September 7, 2011 at 11:09 pm | Permalink

    MAC:
    Josh Atreides,

    A waste, maybe, but I can just see it. Nobody plays an amiably vicious sleazeball like Purefoy.

    Just re-watched A Knight’s Tale for the first time in ten years. Liked it more than the first time. Never realized that Mark Addy and James Purefoy were in it! Anyways, Purefoy actually played a good guy in it, not a sleazeball.

  250. Ginny
    Posted September 7, 2011 at 11:38 pm | Permalink

    KG:
    MAC,

    Everyone has their own personal limit. We should respect that, whatever that limit may be. The LF scene of infamy crashed right into my limit, and I got up and walked out of the room.

    Does that make me an inferior person? A superior person? No, it just makes me … me.

    My limit is only as much as the story calls for. If two girls having sex with each other had anything to do with the story, characters, or anything else then I would be all for it. Sex doesn’t bother me in the least. Nudity even less so. But I have little patience for bad writing.

  251. Kingthlayer
    Posted September 8, 2011 at 12:13 am | Permalink

    userj:
    re: Gregor – is he even onscreen in the 2nd book?Not much if so IIRC.

    I think that you’re right he’s not “on screen” very often but he is the leader of the group that is on screen more often and is ultimately the reason Arya gets to Harrenhall, which is important. I believe that, if need be, they could get away with just showing a hulking actor in armor and pass it off as Gregor since he certainly doesn’t need to speak, just point and grunt. That said, they could always use Conan for just a few days and probably be done with him with no problems if he can fit it in. It is a non-Gate if I ever saw one, as long as they are able to get him back for the red viper.

  252. the goat
    Posted September 8, 2011 at 12:34 am | Permalink

    Have to admit, I am beginning to get a little apprehensive about the Reeds. However, we have been getting a steady stream of casting info lately, so I’m trying to keep my hopes up.

  253. the goat
    Posted September 8, 2011 at 12:35 am | Permalink

    metalgoddessamb: I’ll be pissed if they’re cut or very greatly reduced.

    Epic Awesomesauce: You mean like every single character on the show?

    Yeah, like the way Jaime, Cersei, Theon, Jorah, Littlefinger and Varys were very greatly reduced.

  254. Epic Awesomesauce
    Posted September 8, 2011 at 12:42 am | Permalink

    MAC: Nobody plays an amiably vicious sleazeball like Purefoy.

    Coincidentally: Purefoy plays no character besides an amiably vicious sleazeball.

    I haven’t seen him in much.

  255. Alex Rubira
    Posted September 8, 2011 at 1:36 am | Permalink

    Teila Tuli for Belwas!

  256. loc073
    Posted September 8, 2011 at 2:45 am | Permalink

    MW,

    I know that the United States is not a person, and I am also aware that there are over 300 million Americans and not all are the same. What I said that if you are to believe what you hear and see on TV and in the press and the constant onslaught of right-wing and conservative “moral crusades” you would think that the US is a very prude and victorian country when it comes to its attitude on sex.

    It might seem so on the surface, where the hypocrisy comes in is when the same people who rile against sex, pornography, prostitution and all other things they perceive as morally impure and offensive then get caught in the weirdest sex scandals, drug busts etc. Perhaps I should have been more clear.

    So relax, I don’t think Americans are ALL prudes or hypocrites or anything of the sort, because if they were a show like “Game Of Thrones” would not exist, and George RR Martin would not have writen novels such as those comprising “A Song Of Ice And Fire”. Plus if I believed that I would be as narrow-minded and hypocritical as those very same people I talk about…

  257. Sid
    Posted September 8, 2011 at 3:19 am | Permalink

    Josh Atreides:
    Peter Stormare should be Vargo Hoat.
    But that probably won’t happen.

    Oh, that would be inspired casting! (unpimp ze auto! Rofl!)
    He’d probably love to do it also.
    Quick Nina, call him!

    Bono: Derek Jacobi as Hoster
    Yes, give him to the show!!! I just admire this guy.

    THIS! Sir Derek Jacobi is one of my personal favorites. Actually, I haven’t seen anyone better at acting with just facial expressions than him. He outshines everyone everytime he is on screen! Just look at his performances in Underworld and the Golden Compass. Questionable quality movies, and barely minutes of screen time, and he just IS the characters.

  258. Tar Kidho
    Posted September 8, 2011 at 3:34 am | Permalink

    Don’t tell me that Most Memorable Mutilation is the only Award Harry Lloyd is going to get for his role in GoT…

  259. fhan
    Posted September 8, 2011 at 3:40 am | Permalink

    Sid,

    I’m with Shinyteapot on this. Hoster is going to be a tiny role that won’t require great acting skills. Don’t waste someone awesome on him.

  260. fhan
    Posted September 8, 2011 at 3:48 am | Permalink

    Tar Kidho,

    while I totally agree that Harry Lloyd deservses to be showered with awards for his performance, Most Memorable Mutilation sounds like a pretty cool and unique award.

  261. Blackfish Blues
    Posted September 8, 2011 at 4:08 am | Permalink

    purplejilly,
    you’re so wicked! LOLOLOL. I’d go for the slight blond girl in the middle, she just screams “Blackfish” to me. Irons who? :D

    Seriously, with Nina Gold picking so many good actors from Black Death and Harry Potter, I haven’t lost hopes fon John Lynch or Peter Mullan as Brynden.

    Josh Atreides,
    Anthony Stewart Head? Giles in “Buffy”? I’m not familiar with him without glasses, LOL, but I agree they could do worse than him.

  262. loc073
    Posted September 8, 2011 at 4:21 am | Permalink

    Blackfish Blues,

    Whys does it necessarily mean that when somebody says somethig critical about the United States it immediately equals “USA bashing”? It’s not like I insulted Americans or the US, I did not scream “death to America” or some such nonsense…Your own Constitution includes the freedom of speech, thought etc. which provide to your own citizens the right to express their opinions even to the most contrary of nature to that of the majority…Unless I’m mistaken those Amendments are still valid…but who knows in this post 9/11 world people are a lot touchier about anykind of criticism.

    Alas, I don’t have any problems with people disliking a sex scene or being bothered by it, like I would guess was the case with the one involving Aidan Gillen, Esmee Bianco and Sahara Knite. Nor would I consider such people prudes. As you pointed out all of us have had different experiences with sex/sexuality. We all have our opinions and views on things, and thank heavens, because it would be a very boring world if we all agreed on everything.

    Case in point, me for example, as a social worker dealing with abused women and children in my line of work, have on ocassion, a hard time watching women being tortured or raped in a series or movie, like for example “The Stonning Of Soraya M.” and another recent one I’ve seen “The Whistleblower” with Rachel Weisz. Other people might have completely oposite reactions and might not be bothered at all. I wasn’t for example when I saw “Sin City” years ago, and I am not when watching “Game Of Thrones”…so it depends on each case/

    But I would never go around and try to convince other people that my point of view is the ultimate, and that I am definitely right and everybody must think and act like me, and then search for ways to impose those ideas on others, regardless of whether they share them or not. That is what I meant by the hypocrisy visible in the US, not that all Americans are prudes or stupid or anything of the sort.

    Is just that censorship, “moral crusades” and other people trying to tell me what to think, how to act etc., etc. really irks me and I feel just as strongly about this as you do about your point of view.

    Finally, and that again is just me, I would rather prefer sex to violence. I’d rather f **k than be bashed in the head with a baseball bat, stabbed or shot or do all those things to someone else…maybe I’m in the wrong here…who knows?!

  263. Sid
    Posted September 8, 2011 at 4:32 am | Permalink

    fhan,

    Oh, I looked at my post and I can see why you interpreted it as I want Jacobi for that specific role. My bad. I was agreeing to just getting him on the show, whatever the role. Maybe as Doran Martell?

  264. Pepi
    Posted September 8, 2011 at 4:40 am | Permalink

    Blackfish Blues,

    Hm… Anthony Stewart Head would actually make an awesome Qyburn, not Blackfish, if ye ask me. :D

  265. fhan
    Posted September 8, 2011 at 5:22 am | Permalink

    Sid,

    ah, I misunderstood, then. And I can totally see Derek Jacobi as Doran Martell. Good call.

  266. koinosuke
    Posted September 8, 2011 at 5:35 am | Permalink

    loc073:
    Blackfish Blues,

    Whys does it necessarily mean that when somebody says somethig critical about the United States it immediately equals “USA bashing”? ….

    Is just that censorship, “moral crusades” and other people trying to tell me what to think, how to act etc., etc. really irks me and I feel just as strongly about this as you do about your point of view.

    Finally, and that again is just me, I would rather prefer sex to violence.I’d rather f **k than be bashed in the head with a baseball bat, stabbed or shot or do all those things to someone else…maybe I’m in the wrong here…who knows?!

    Here, here. Great post.

  267. Vered
    Posted September 8, 2011 at 6:08 am | Permalink

    I know… I’m sleeping when it comes to fallowing all of the casting news….
    Thanks for another impresive info! I can totally see him as the Tickler! I’ve got the chills just thinking about it!

  268. Steve Hugh Westenra
    Posted September 8, 2011 at 6:45 am | Permalink

    loc073,

    I think that’s the point Blackfish is trying to make though: that people inevitably have such varying opinions on sex and what is easy/hard to watch that it’s unfair to say someone is somehow “wrong” either for enjoying it or finding it uncomfortable.
    Kind of similar to yourself, I have a friend, for instance, who just can’t watch rape scenes/violent sex scenes without getting VERY upset (she’s upset by violence in general as well, but especially sexual violence). It does tend to make her more particular about the sex scenes she watches and how they’re used.

  269. Josh Atreides
    Posted September 8, 2011 at 7:01 am | Permalink

    fhan,

    Yeah I forgot that Hoster has very little to say. Jacobi would have been a good Pycelle but I love Julian Glover thus far (it’s General Veers for goodness sake!). I can definitely see Jacobi as one of the Oldtown Maesters.

    As for Purefoy: roles that I can see him in:
    The Red Viper
    Mance Rayder (by far the best option)
    Jon Connington

    But I would squee everywhere if they got Sian Phillips for the Queen of Thorns. To get a taste just watch her in I, Claudius. Her and Jacobi steal the show. John Hurt’s Caligula is also a showstopper.

    And I agree with the other poster: Anthony Stewart Head would be a great Qyburn. For Buffy fans know that he even as Giles he could get very dark when he wanted to.

    And Peter Mullan would be an amazing Blackfish.

    I think Rupert Graves (BBC’s Sherlock) would be a good Edmure Tully.

  270. Sid
    Posted September 8, 2011 at 7:25 am | Permalink

    Josh Atreides,

    I actually see the queen of thorns more like Judi Dench. Maybe it’s because she is supposed to be short (and wizened). :)

    But Sian is awesowe, I would not complain…

  271. fhan
    Posted September 8, 2011 at 7:52 am | Permalink

    Josh Atreides: I love Julian Glover thus far (it’s General Veers for goodness sake!)

    Funny, I’ve always only associated him with Donovan from Indy, but of course he was in Star Wars, too.

    I haven’t seen much of Purefoy yet (only Rome, which he rocked!), but judging from what I have, I can’t see him as the Red Viper; he doesn’t have that fire. Mance or Jon Connington, maybe, although it’s not how I pictured them. Someone here suggested Daario, and I think that would be a better fit. Although having Purefoy in the show would make me very happy, no matter which part.

    In my mind, the Queen of Thorns has always been Maggie Smith, but since I don’t see that happening, Sian Phillips seems like an excellent alternative.

    Anthony Head – Qyburn: perfect match.

  272. Josh Atreides
    Posted September 8, 2011 at 8:08 am | Permalink

    fhan,

    You saw Rome right? Purefoy has no fire? Sorry I just can’t see otherwise. His Mark Antony was fantastic because he channeled the historical figure, a man known to be led by his emotions, by his desires. This is a guy who turned the people against Brutus and Cassius, who banged Shepherdesses by the roadside, who nearly killed Octavian, a vain, arrogant man who was both loyal and selfish. Perfect for the Viper. Just picture Purefoy yelling at the Mountain : “Say her name!” It would be bone-chilling.

    As for Glover. I remember him for three distinct roles: Veers in the Empire Strikes Back (most badass Imperial officer next to Cushing’s Tarkin ). Kristatos in For Your Eyes Only and Walter Donovan in the Last Crusade.

  273. Kingthlayer
    Posted September 8, 2011 at 8:13 am | Permalink

    koinosuke: Here, here. Great post.

    I think Americans are, in general, more sensitive to comments from non-Americans (or people we perceive as non-Americans because of the context or content of their posts) about how they perceive America because our experience as Americans brings us to a very different conclusion about American life. I don’t think that it’s unfair for Americans to voice their concern because it’s natural to try to defend a way of life you know to be different than how it seems to be understood by others. If you were to say “insurance brokers really seem to hate lemons because all I see in Lemon Monthly is reports on how insurance brokers are purchasing less and less lemons and in one case they even banned lemons because one of them was allergic…” I would honestly feel the need to say “I’m an insurance broker and I LOVE lemons, truly love them, I think Lemon Monthly is editorializing where they shouldn’t…”. That said, there are significant historical reasons that America DOES have its contingent of right wing, largely religious people who are very vocal about censoring media to purify America. This population is loud and this population is wildly entertaining which is why they make international news and are portrayed as comically absurd in their views (that is not to say they are all ill-meaning in their crusades, it’s almost always quite the opposite). As an American twenty something I can almost be certain that the America that makes international news (mostly portraying our politics I am assuming), especially in Europe, is not the America I experience in daily life. I think the America you hear about 30 years from now, when it’s run by now younger generations, will be very different than the one we have now. I conclude that folks are correct in judging the America they see in international media as backwards and painfully conservative. The percentage of folks I meet daily (I work in a traditionally conservative sector) that I would say have intense opinions about censorship in media, etc.? Little to none. I really like these conversations by the way, it’s always a good excersize to try to step back and look at something you think you know so thoroughly from a different perspective.

  274. Elena Amici
    Posted September 8, 2011 at 8:37 am | Permalink

    Kingthlayer: As an American twenty something I can almost be certain that the America that makes international news (mostly portraying our politics I am assuming), especially in Europe, is not the America I experience in daily life.

    I just wanted to say: no. Here in europe (i live in italy) all we get are American movies and telefilm. You know, mostly teen dramas. US looks like partyland if you live in europe. (like, type 1 of this article: http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/Eagleland)
    My personal opinion of America comes from the time i spent living there. My personal linking of some aspects of America comes from my personal experieces, as my personal dislking of some parts of american culture (i’m not talking about the “puritan” part. That’s personal) comes from the attitude many americans have towards the rest of the world. (which is IMO the reason why many foreign media don’t like America) I mean, if you teach you kids in school to believe America is the greatest country on earth or whatever, they’re going to grow up not caring about the rest of the world, and thinking other people aren’t as great as they are. Don’t get me wrong: i loved living in america. I really did.
    But if somebodys comes to my face and tell me that a country in which you’re going to die if you aren’t rich enough to afford a new lung and where school boards lower their standards to make their kids look smarter is better than anywhere else on earth, not because he’s been somewhere else, but just because somebody told him so I’m going to a)laugh b)feel a bit pissed off

    EDIT: i hope this helped :D In my opinion, BTW, american high school lockers are the greatest thing ever invented

  275. fhan
    Posted September 8, 2011 at 9:00 am | Permalink

    Josh Atreides,

    the Thing about the Viper is that, in my mind (and please understand that all of this is completely subjective), he has to radiate arrogance and danger. And while Purefoy has arrogance nailed, he has too much nice guy charisma going to seem properly dangerous. Now, don’t get me wrong, he can certainly play a dangerous man, but he does it without outwardly appearing so. That was what made Mark Anthony so awesome: the pretty-boy nice guy that isn’t quite so nice on a second look. But that’s not the Viper.

    As a matter of fact, when I first saw Rome, I thought that if Purefoy was a little more blondish, he would make and awesome Jaime.

    Someone suggested Oded Fehr, which is much more how I see the Viper.

  276. Elena Amici
    Posted September 8, 2011 at 9:09 am | Permalink

    fhan,

    you know, i have the doubt the Viper won’t make the cut.. i hope i’m wrong, but…

  277. Chris
    Posted September 8, 2011 at 9:19 am | Permalink

    As a practical matter, I hope the Tickler is definitely NOT “nondescript.”
    He should be instantly recognizable, especially if his questioning is merely quiet and persistent as he inflicts who-knows-what horrors on his victims.
    BECAUSE… We should know right off the bat who he is when Arya and the Hound meet him and Arya perforates him. At a time like that, there should be no ambiguity about who it is who gets the enhanced Needle treatment. I hope he’s rendered extremely distinctive in perhaps makeup or costume or both.

  278. fhan
    Posted September 8, 2011 at 9:27 am | Permalink

    Elena Amici,

    Noooo! Don’t say such things! Who will make Gregor die a slow and painful death?

  279. Josh Atreides
    Posted September 8, 2011 at 9:38 am | Permalink

    Kingthlayer,

    Then there’s us Canadians.

    We are the ones with the identity crisis. When I traveled Europe I would hang with Americans and Australians. Canadians have a far better reputation abroad than Americans. In France for example Americans have been known to sew Maple Leafs onto the front of their knapsacks.
    It mostly has to do with our contribution to France, Belgium and Holland in the 1st and 2nd World Wars. Even though Canada is incredibly influenced by American pop culture as in we follow the same media, the same television networks, the same magazines we are separate from it. We don’t have this innate sense of patriotism that Americans have. I guess it comes from the pride of creating a country from scratch whereas Canadians, well we were the loyalists who did not abandon the crown. Our two societies while similar could be less alike. We always define Canadianess it seems as who we are not, and one of those things of course is, NOT American.

    It’s an interesting dynamic.

  280. Josh Atreides
    Posted September 8, 2011 at 9:55 am | Permalink

    fhan,

    I can see what you mean regarding Purefoy, but I also got the impression that the Red Viper was dangerous but he also was charismatic. Look at all his bastards, the way he walked right into King’s Landing with his demands. I can see Purefoy doing that easily. But as you said, its entirely subjective.

    Oded Fehr would be good as well, although I find him too stoic most of the time. I think someone like Javier Bardem would be good or the actor who played the Captain in Pan’s Labryinth. That is of course if they are going to go with a Latin/Moorish/Arab vibe with the Dornish.

  281. fhan
    Posted September 8, 2011 at 10:15 am | Permalink

    Josh Atreides,

    I think it’s interesting that Canadians have adopted the notion that America is only the USA and don’t think of themselves as American. I have some Mexican friends who are very annoyed that the word America is associated with only one country and not, as it should be, the entire continent. I would have assumed that Canadians thought similarly.

  282. Sid
    Posted September 8, 2011 at 10:18 am | Permalink

    Kingthlayer,

    Oh, I just have to get into this discussion. I have also lived in the US for a year, and have come back on vacation on several times, and it is a most fascinating country. (I love it for some reasons, and am shocked for other reasons) Since I was an exchange student, I got to see the US education industry in action, so to speak. :)

    The first thing outsiders seem to forget is that the US is not one country. It is a union of 50 states. And all those states are as different from each other as Iceland and France are. Sure, they have a common government and a common currency, but most everyday politics and well, life, is run “locally”. So, it is generally a bad idea to generalize almost anything that has to do with American lifestyle, since it differs vastly depending on geographical location.

    That said, there are a few things that a lot of Americans seem to share. One thing that stands out is that a lot of Americans SEEM uninterested of what goes on outside its borders (not necessarily true). This is a phenomenon that rhymes badly with most other countries (especially in Europe), which has learned early on that ignoring your surroundings is a short road to conflict.

    Another thing is that Americans are very open and friendly. If you meet an American anywhere, you can probably walk straight up to them and start a conversation about almost anything. (although common caution is advised regarding approaching armed forces, they are trained and paid to be a bit paranoid) ;)

    And a third thing is that Americans have very strong beliefs/convictions. It does not have to be religious or military, but any conversation with an American will be very interesting, just because of these strong beliefs/convictions.

    The problem that can arise is when these strong beliefs coincide with the “unconcern for the outside world”. It can be interpreted as arrogance, which is generally frowned upon. The usual response when confronted with this is naturally denial, as from the internal viewpoint they are in fact not arrogant. Which is of course seen as even more arrogant. And so the spiral begins… :(

    We all just need to be more patient and listen more to each other to avoid this. (Which is of course one of the most challenging things there are). I truly believe that almost all of the individuals that populate this planet are “decent people”, that do not wish any harm on others (except where trauma has occurred to cause some people to look for scapegoats).

    Ehm, I sound like I’m running for Miss Universe. :D
    Anyway, I think you know what I mean.

    And before you take this post as a personal confirmation that you are right with your own prejudices towards Americans, please remember what I wrote in the beginning. Americans are not so much one people, one nation, as they are 300 million individuals who has chosen to live in one of the most interesting countries in the world. :) Peace out.

  283. Josh Atreides
    Posted September 8, 2011 at 10:33 am | Permalink

    fhan,

    Canadians are patriotic, at least the politicians and the media personalities, political pundits etc are, they will go out of their way to show their patriotism by saying they are NOT American. Yet at the same time we pride ourselves as America’s great neighbor when Americans who live to the south of a country that has free health care and in terms of culture is identical to them we are still looked upon as “different.” and we as Canadians feel that Americans look down upon us. We are the upstairs neighbor above a really great party complaining about the noise so to speak. As Canada is part of the British Commonwealth it holds a Parliament not a Congress, we have a Governor General who is representative to the Queen. This gives us a place in the middle of the American/Western culture dynamic and traditional modern European democracy.

    We are nothing like Mexico in our relationship to the United States.

    Boy. We need some more casting news!

  284. Sid
    Posted September 8, 2011 at 10:37 am | Permalink

    Josh Atreides: Boy. We need some more casting news!

    You are SO right. :)

  285. Blackfish Blues
    Posted September 8, 2011 at 10:54 am | Permalink

    loc073,
    (whom I misspelled as “loco73″, apologies) thanks, now I understand better where you’re coming from. Absolutely, criticism is not bashing! But you mentioned “hypocrisy” which is a loaded, generalized word and comes very similar to bashing. Sid in the post above mine explained eloquently how the USA = 300 million individuals, just like any other country (maybe in fewer numbers). I’m wary of generalizations, which come very close to “a moral crusade and people telling me what to think about” a certain country-topic-person etc.

    (with this I reply also to koinosuke: most of us prefer sex to violence, LOL! But most of us have also been more exposed to twisted sex – abuse, manipulation, betrayal etc. – than to beheadings)

    Steve Hugh Westenra,
    Yes. I have to hire you as my spokesman! :D

    Kingthlayer,
    I’m European and pro-USA, so I keep up with the news from both sides of the pond and from actual people living there. I can reassure you that most European media DON’T HAVE A CLUE about what the USA is all about, and gleefuly contribute for ideological reasons to the USA bashing.

    (Neither do US media have a clue about Europe, but maybe I should stop reading TIME International, LOLOLOL)

    BACK ON TOPIC:

    Pepi,
    I admit I know Anthony Stewart Head only through my Buffy-ite friends (and found him hot), but from what little I’ve seen of him he’s an awesome actor and coud play anybody. So yes, make him a little creepier and he’s Qyburn, slap a pair of prosthetic eyebrows on him and he’s Brynden Tully :D I’ll add him to my fantasy Blackfish cast page.

    Still holding a candle for Peter Mullan, though, and Josh Atreides is with me.

  286. loco73
    Posted September 8, 2011 at 11:37 am | Permalink

    Blackfish Blues,

    LOL…no you did not mispell my name….I did that myself a result of working nightshifts……it is loco73…I’m 73 because there are other locos outhere…Thanks for the good reply by the way!

  287. Elena Amici
    Posted September 8, 2011 at 11:51 am | Permalink

    Sid:
    1)Since I was an exchange student, I got to see the US education industry in action, so to speak. :)
    2)Another thing is that Americans are very open and friendly.
    3)Ehm, I sound like I’m running for Miss Universe. :D

    1)Exchange students FTW! :D
    2)Oh, YES, american people, YOU ARE. And this can be overwhelming, in a nice way, but still overwhelming.
    3)I’d vote for you

  288. Sid
    Posted September 8, 2011 at 12:15 pm | Permalink

    Elena Amici,

    Thanks! (Although I would lose the bikini contest, my legs are really hairy) ;D

  289. loco73
    Posted September 8, 2011 at 12:21 pm | Permalink

    Kingthlayer,

    This is the last I’m going to say on this…because I think that I’m starting to turn this into a politico blog…and it is NOT my intention so I apologize to Winter in advance…

    I agree with your reply…see this is why I guess people from outside the US are baffled and worried, I don’t think anybody who is realistic about the world we live in, except those who are hellbent on hating the US and attacking it, wants to see America suffer or fail! I know I don’t (I’m Canadian by the way, I so I do have a somewhat closer perspective…)! But to outsiders, even close allies and neighbours like Canada, the polarization, divisions, bitterness and venom that seems to be taking over US politics and even other aspects of American society, is quite jarring and does not really fit with what most people think of the US and would like the US to be like. It is such a shame seeing a country with such potential waste itself away on nonsense…

    While right or left wing extremists might be ridiculed and seen as fringe lunatics, the truth is that they have the podium now, they are the most organized and their voices are the loudest…The bullhorn of crazyness, paranoia, backward and inward looking mentality and ideology is what seems to be prevailing these days. Laugh at them or not, these people are the most active politicaly and socially, and they are making their presence felt, while the middle-of-the-road majority is underepresented, voiceless and largely ignored! Oh Jon Stewart…please, please we need another rally to restore sanity!

    I swear I’ll watch the PBS “Newshour” or “Frontline” and think to myself this is TV Americana at its best, or at least examples of it, creativity, originality, the inquisitive American spirit, the need to know…then I catch a few glimpses of FOX news and some of the things said on that network seem to come from people who live on another planet altogether, then worse, I listen to the left, which normally should balance things out, and appears to have found its home on MSNBC, sound just as crazy or crazier than their FOX counterparts…

    The America I want to see is the America that gave us George RR Martin, ” A Song Of Ice And Fire”, “Game Thrones” and people like Winter, FaBio, Hear Me Roar and all other dudes and dudettes who run this site. I want to hear from people like you or Blackfish Blues, who can reply in an interesting way without calling me either a “pinko commie” or a “fascist”…all I’m saying is that Americans should wake the hell up and get their country back from all these nutbars…because if not we all know that “Winter Is Coming”…

    Still, I stand by what I said…I ‘d still rather f **k than make war…besides war is too long and messy…the other is…short…really short…and messy on ocassions…

  290. Kingthlayer
    Posted September 8, 2011 at 12:33 pm | Permalink

    Sid,

    I couldn’t agree with you more about this (and what others are saying). My experience growing up in New England (Maine to be exact – not surprisingly the closes US state to Europe!) is so incredibly different from that of my friends from California, Alaska, Florids, Texas, even Vermont which is just one state away from us. Heck, New Hampshire (our neighbor to the West) differs idealogically from Maine in many regards which is why some of my co-workers prefer to live there and commute 2 hours. As you said, this is why it is difficult to generalize about America and, in my opinion, why Americans who’s experience differs so greatly from a non-US American who visits, might be quick to go on the defensive. On the other hand, I cannot argue with experience. Anyone who has seen unsavory things about the US firsthand has every right and freedom to develop their own conclusions but it would be remiss to not take into consideration the variety of experiences one could have in the US. I will also be the first to admit that my country has serious and fundamental misunderstandings about the rest of the world, which I think every country has to some degree about the “others” out there (not to be confused with the White Walkers as I believe it is universally agreed they are bad news and should keep to themselves up in the north where they can be free to fornicate with their ice spiders as long as they keep it away from my children!!!!! sorry – I digress).

    I took a class in college called Myth and America and it was a real eye-opening. We studied the history of the world paradigm that US Americans have developed since Europeans established their Western presence in the 1400s. We looked at the destruction of the Native Americans, the rise of the Puritans & the Great Awakening, the expansionist period/Manifest Destiny, the purely US American institution of Mormanism, the end of our isolationist period as we entered WWI etc… All these things contribute greatly to the US American psyche for good or bad depending on how you see it. I was never told that America was the best country in the world growing up but only when I studied the things mentioned above did I realize that all of this, and the way it was explained, DID add to the undertone (overtone perhaps) of patriotism in our culture.

    Fascinating stuff – thanks for the conversation,

  291. Kingthlayer
    Posted September 8, 2011 at 12:41 pm | Permalink

    loco73,

    I like what you have to say – I think it’s safe to say that a lot of under-represented US Americans agree with you. One of the great things about our political system is that hopefully it gives the power to the majority and the country can move in the direction of society given time. If it doesn’t…do you have a couch in Canada?

    seriously though, I am proud to be from the US and realize that anyone lucky enough to live in a country where you can live uninterrupted by authority 99% of the time should be thankful. I am also really happy this forum represents a fair amount of diversity and is up for discussion,

    now, have they cast Wun Wun yet or I’m gonna have to freak out???!!!??

  292. Epic Awesomesauce
    Posted September 8, 2011 at 12:45 pm | Permalink

    loco73: Americans should wake the hell up and get their country back from all these nutbars

    lol

    Well, that’s the country divided in two. Each side calls the other nutbars. Unlike the rest of the world, we have a two party dominant system and other limiting democratic systems. So both sides spend a ridiculous amount of energy trying to convince the other side. In the end it only amounts to marketing on both cnn and fox to hit all markets.

    I, being a self-preserving coward, and political independent bordering on non-violent resistance (aka anarchy), and entirely tolerant of even the most hysterical institutions of worship (or its refusal), am completely immune from having to judge the two sides that make up the good people of the united states.

  293. loco73
    Posted September 8, 2011 at 12:58 pm | Permalink

    Kingthlayer,

    Sorry, as a Canadian…I live in an igloo…so no couch…will a block or ice do instead? Hmm this makes me wonder…Canadians seem suspiciouly close to the Wildlings…come to think…where did Martin get his inspiration abot the Wildlings? I have to admit though, like the Wildlings I do get an impulse to go across The Wall once in a while (I mean border) and go South…as far as possible…before the White Walkers come!

    (By the way I’m kidding just in case anybody wonders…)

  294. Kingthlayer
    Posted September 8, 2011 at 1:03 pm | Permalink

    loco73,

    figures! I knew it – north of the border is just wights and wayward women…time to build a bigger wall…

  295. KG
    Posted September 8, 2011 at 1:36 pm | Permalink

    Josh Atreides,

    So an innate sense of patriotism is bad? If you want me to walk around spitting on my own flag so Frenchmen will like me, then come over here and let me slap you :)

  296. Elena Amici
    Posted September 8, 2011 at 3:11 pm | Permalink

    Sid:
    Elena Amici,

    Thanks! (Although I would lose the bikini contest, my legs are really hairy) ;D

    that’s not going to stop me!

    KG:
    Josh Atreides,

    So an innate sense of patriotism is bad?If you want me to walk around spitting on my own flag so Frenchmen will like me, then come over here and let me slap you :)

    i don’t want to re-open the discussion but, although patriotism is a great thing if you believe in it (really, i wish i could be half as patriot as you guys are. I’m more in the citizien-of-the-world team) people blabbling all the time about how cool/great their country is IS going to get a reaction from other people. See my post above. That’s all ;D

    Now, WHERE THE HELL IS MY YGRITTE?

    (ps: i just love how we had a civil, constructive discussion on this post.)

  297. Joan
    Posted September 8, 2011 at 5:09 pm | Permalink

    Elena Amici: that’s not going to stop me!although patriotism is a great thing if you believe in it (really, i wish i could be half as patriot as you guys are. I’m more in the citizien-of-the-world team) people blabbling all the time about how cool/great their country is IS going to get a reaction from other people.

    While I agree with this, I have to admit I find it curious that patriotism is usually only considered a bad or arrogant thing when it comes from Americans. I’ve encountered people from many different countries who have a tendency to brag incessantly about their own countries (and yes, they call themselves “the greatest country in the world” too — again, that attitude is not a trend exclusive to Americans), and who will become deeply offended if you say something that might even be *construed* as criticism of their beloved homeland. America is hardly the only patriotic country in the world — patriotism also runs very strong in countries like Canada, Australia, Brazil, and the Philippines, to name just a few. Yet their patriotism is usually treated as something wonderful and admirable, while the patriotism of Americans is treated with scorn and an attitude of omg-how-dare-they-love-their-country-I’m-going-to-use-any-excuse-I-can-to-tell-them-how-much-they-suck-even-if-it’s-off-topic-and-inappropriate.

    So what’s my point? I… don’t really have one, I guess. Just pointing out the discrepancy, is all. *shrug*

  298. Elena Amici
    Posted September 8, 2011 at 6:09 pm | Permalink

    Joan,

    well, i can’t talk about Canadians or Australians. I knew some brazilian people but they’re not expecially patriotic. Also, i don’t consider THAT kind of american attitude being patriotic. Saying “i’m proud of my country” is patriotic. A bunch of people do that – good for them if they’re proud of their country. I wish i could be.
    But then there is that “i’m better than you” attitude, that it’s just people bragging about something they don’t have any reasons for, which is just extremely annoying.
    (and also not justified AT ALL being born in a great country don’t make all the people living there great too. i think Sweden is maybe the best coutry in the world to live in, but i don’t think all Swedish are better than, let’s say, Nigerians)

  299. Zoe Nightshade
    Posted September 8, 2011 at 6:22 pm | Permalink

    Elena Amici,

    That’s all well and good, but I’d like to point out that none of the American posters here were “blabbing” about how great their country was before this discussion started. None of them so much as mentioned such a thing, and yet the conversation happened anyway… because a few non-U.S. posters brought it up and made it into an issue.

    This sort of thing happens quite a lot in internet discussions, which perhaps is what Blackfish Blues meant about “the longer a discussion goes on, the chances of USA-bashing increases to 100%.” You see it all the time. The conversation can be about something as innocuous as, I don’t know, a basket of puppies or something, but if it only goes on long enough, someone somewhere will inevitably make it about how awful America is and how much contempt they have for the country. I’ve personally seen it happen numerous times.

    Don’t misunderstand, I’m under no delusions that the US is perfect – quite the opposite, actually – and I’m more than happy to discuss its flaws. In fact, I think it’s vitally important that we DO discuss its flaws. Blind patriotism and a “my country, right or wrong” mentality are very dangerous and should be avoided at all costs. So by all means, voice your criticism to your heart’s content… in the proper forum.

    And that’s exactly the problem. There is a time and place for everything, and nine times out of ten, these comments are made when it is neither of those things. Watching every single discussion be turned into a commentary on your negative opinions of the US and its citizens becomes wearisome after a while, and is bound to make Americans start to feel defensive and irritable when confronted with it time and time and time again. Surely you can understand that (“Yes, I can, and don’t call me Shirley!”)? Just as “blabbing about how it’s the greatest country in the world IS going to get a reaction,” then likewise turning every discussion into a complaint about Americans, even when the Americans present were doing nothing of the sort, IS going to get a reaction as well. It’s unnecessary, it’s uncalled for, and quite frankly, it’s rude. I highly doubt any one of you would appreciate it if every conversation was used as an excuse to scornfully deride the perceived failings and weaknesses of your respective homes and countries.

    Phew. Sorry for the tl;dr, I guess that’s just been building up for a while. And now I’ll fade back into lurkerdom. Thank you for listening.

  300. Joan
    Posted September 8, 2011 at 6:34 pm | Permalink

    Elena Amici: Joan, But then there is that “i’m better than you” attitude, that it’s just people bragging about something they don’t have any reasons for, which is just extremely annoying.

    Well, that’s exactly what I mean. I’ve had people from other countries judge me before they even know me, simply because I’m American. And I’ve met people (who aren’t Americans) who act like being born in the country they were born in makes them super special.

    I’m not saying Americans don’t do it, too. Some definitely do! I’m just saying, you can find arrogant, obnoxious people who think their country is the best in the world (even if it isn’t) just about anywhere. So I balk at the implication that it’s purely an American thing.

  301. Siobhan Mooney
    Posted September 8, 2011 at 6:58 pm | Permalink

    Athelstan: I know it’s not in Northern Ireland, but I’ve always thought that Caerphilly castle in south Wales would make a fantastic Harrenhal. It is absolutely huge, one of then largest castles in Europe, and even has a tower that leans (courtesy of a 17th C siege).

    Wow, you’re right! It looks amazingly close to how I’ve always imagined Harrenhal. :-D

  302. Lili
    Posted September 13, 2011 at 11:52 am | Permalink

    koinosuke: I’m FB friends with Conan and a few months ago I wrote a post on his wall congratulating him on his Hobbit casting and telling him how excited I was about seeing him in a larger role next season in GoT. For some reason or another he deleted my post after a day or so, which and the time left me a little suspicious that maybe exactly what people are now musing has in fact happened.

    He apparently deletes a lot of posts for various reasons – I ended up un-friending him.

  303. Shinyteapot
    Posted September 13, 2011 at 11:57 am | Permalink

    Alex Rubira,

    Wow, he certainly looks like Belwas. Can he act?

  304. Lili
    Posted September 13, 2011 at 12:42 pm | Permalink

    Pastor_of_Muppets: And there is only one Red Viper – Cliff Simon

    Uh, no. Oberyn is supposed to be very handsome. Silas Carson would be terrific and he’s EASILY the handsomest man in the world.

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