Game of Thrones season two tease
By Winter Is Coming on in Media.

HBO released the first teaser of the second season of Game of Thrones. And when I say teaser, I mean teaser. It contains no footage from the show, but does give us an idea as to what the possible tagline for this season may be…

Winter Is Coming: What a tease! They couldn’t even give us a little glimpse of Melisandre there? Oh well, I wasn’t expecting anything tonight anyway. I guess this is better than nothing. Good to know HBO is willing to promote this series, even this far away from airing.

UPDATE: HBO also released one of their signature sizzle reels, promoting their new and returning shows. They closed the reel with some Game of Thrones clips (from season one, but still cool). They also released this Emmy awards recap with a mention of Dinklage winning for Tyrion.


215 Comments

  1. TastesLikeTheSea
    Posted September 25, 2011 at 9:30 pm | Permalink

    season 2!!

  2. TastesLikeTheSea
    Posted September 25, 2011 at 9:31 pm | Permalink

    So zombies in season 2?

  3. NewJeffCT
    Posted September 25, 2011 at 9:32 pm | Permalink

    yes, it was kind of underwhelming – not even a flash of Melisandre and/or Stannis. Heck, I would have settled for just about anybody.

  4. Lex
    Posted September 25, 2011 at 9:33 pm | Permalink

    SO COOL! Wasn’t expecting this. That’s definitely the voice of our Stannis.

  5. Adrian
    Posted September 25, 2011 at 9:38 pm | Permalink

    Lex,

    Definitely. I’d recognize Stephen Dillane anywhere.

  6. The Instrumentalist
    Posted September 25, 2011 at 9:43 pm | Permalink

    I know it wasn’t much, but I though it was so cool! I guess we just haven’t gotten any big news in awhile and it was nice to get a little something something.

    The night is dark and full of terrors indeed! I’m so excited. ^_^

  7. Lex
    Posted September 25, 2011 at 9:49 pm | Permalink

    I thought the ring of fire (and sound effects) was cool. Very powerful, with a sense of what the tone will feel like.

  8. John-Michael Lelievre
    Posted September 25, 2011 at 9:55 pm | Permalink

    geekgasm.

  9. knowsomething
    Posted September 25, 2011 at 9:58 pm | Permalink

    Even that was such a teaser it was almost cruel, I’m glad they did it. So that was Stannis, huh? I’m getting really excited about next season!

  10. shadallion
    Posted September 25, 2011 at 10:01 pm | Permalink

    Badass

  11. tokelazor
    Posted September 25, 2011 at 10:01 pm | Permalink

    Rooster-tease to the max.

  12. Epic-itty
    Posted September 25, 2011 at 10:09 pm | Permalink

    Oh! And I thought it was a Diablo 3 teaser. Turnips!

  13. Blueberry2
    Posted September 25, 2011 at 10:13 pm | Permalink

    Hopefully soon we get an actual trailer. Maybe in November, I think they put one out then last year

  14. SandSnake
    Posted September 25, 2011 at 10:16 pm | Permalink

    Ooooh…that would/will make an excellent tagline.

  15. Langkard
    Posted September 25, 2011 at 10:19 pm | Permalink

    That’s the kind of teaser which is more like that annoying tiny flying bug which always manages to find the precise angle to fly right in between your glasses and your eye. Arggh. How many more months until we get some real teasers for argument fodder?

  16. andrea
    Posted September 25, 2011 at 10:24 pm | Permalink

    Oh no…I will never take this phrase seriously. I will always remember Pip´s.

  17. dizzy_34
    Posted September 25, 2011 at 10:38 pm | Permalink

    I was pretty sure they’d do somthing along these lines. I like the tag line. Would have been cool to see a dragon shadow or something. I’m betting we won’t see an actual footage teaser until the Boardwalk Empire season 2 finale.

  18. kerning
    Posted September 25, 2011 at 10:44 pm | Permalink

    Maybe I’m terribly easy to impress, but I liked it. Great new tagline for season 2. I just wish they’d have shown, say, the briefest flash of Mel’s face lit by flames or something. NEED to see the portrayal!

  19. Grinbomb
    Posted September 25, 2011 at 10:48 pm | Permalink

    I didn’t even think about what they may use as a new tag line for the show, but its pretty cool. A bit more ominous than ‘Winter is Coming’ but also more possibly obscure to those who haven’t read the books. I can’t wait to see a trailer with the Red Priest and the night fires.

    Still going to be a while before we see a full trailer, but its nice that they threw us a bone.

  20. Edric Dayne
    Posted September 25, 2011 at 11:19 pm | Permalink

    I think the tagline should be from Varys’s riddle to Tyrion: “So tell me—who lives, and who dies?”

  21. Mark
    Posted September 25, 2011 at 11:19 pm | Permalink

    Anyone else bothered this isn’t titled “Clash of Kings”. A don’t say well the layperson wouldn’t get it. EVERY SINGLE INTERVIEW that has been done about this show mentions it as a book in a series. They should have just started it off as “A Song of Ice and Fire”. Or used a neutral title like “TrueBlood” not “Dead Until Dark”

  22. Ben Watson
    Posted September 25, 2011 at 11:23 pm | Permalink

    Mark:
    Anyone else bothered this isn’t titled“Clash of Kings”. A don’t say well the layperson wouldn’t get it. EVERY SINGLE INTERVIEW that has been done about this show mentions it as a book in a series. They should have just started it off as “A Song of Ice and Fire”.Or used a neutral title like “TrueBlood” not “Dead Until Dark”

    Yeah, the show is ruined now. lol

  23. Ingemar Svensson
    Posted September 25, 2011 at 11:44 pm | Permalink

    I wonder if “The Night is Dark and Full of Terrors” will be one of their main slogans for season 2. It makes sense to move away from “Winter is Coming” and “You Win or You Die” and go for some other quotes instead. Another one could be “What is dead can never die.”

  24. Ingemar Svensson
    Posted September 25, 2011 at 11:47 pm | Permalink

    Mark:
    Anyone else bothered this isn’t titled“Clash of Kings”. A don’t say well the layperson wouldn’t get it. EVERY SINGLE INTERVIEW that has been done about this show mentions it as a book in a series. They should have just started it off as “A Song of Ice and Fire”.Or used a neutral title like “TrueBlood” not “Dead Until Dark”

    Tieing the seasons to closely with each book would only restrict them since we pretty much know that they won’t be sticking with one season per book, both because book 3 is too long and that they have to combine Feast and Dance.

  25. MW
    Posted September 25, 2011 at 11:48 pm | Permalink

    Mark,

    You don’t understand how valuable brand name loyalty is.

  26. Susan C
    Posted September 25, 2011 at 11:49 pm | Permalink

    OK, I get the fire… but was expecting the comet.

    Seems like they should have enough non-SFX footage in the can to throw us a bone. Something more than a one-line snippet of audio. :(

  27. the goat
    Posted September 25, 2011 at 11:54 pm | Permalink

    dizzy_34:
    I’m betting we won’t see an actual footage teaser until the Boardwalk Empire season 2 finale.

    Yep, definitely. I just hope we get some footage, even “raven” teaser style, beforehand.

    I also hope for an isle of thappireth.

  28. kevin
    Posted September 26, 2011 at 12:26 am | Permalink

    Mark:
    Anyone else bothered this isn’t titled“Clash of Kings”. A don’t say well the layperson wouldn’t get it. EVERY SINGLE INTERVIEW that has been done about this show mentions it as a book in a series. They should have just started it off as “A Song of Ice and Fire”.Or used a neutral title like “TrueBlood” not “Dead Until Dark”

    Why would they change the name of the show after the second season? “Game of Thrones” is a neutral title I’d say, it’s relevant throughout the entire series.

  29. sjwenings
    Posted September 26, 2011 at 12:56 am | Permalink

    To non-bookreaders – which should be their main target audience right now – this sounds like The White walkers to me. So it would be disappointing to a whole lot of people if they kept this, and viewers were expeting them to show up. A lot of people seemed a bit annoyed that we didn’t get any more WW-action in the first season, so this might have been a bad choice for a tagline.

  30. sjwenings
    Posted September 26, 2011 at 1:04 am | Permalink

    …so does this mean we can expect a new teaser in the near future? I mean, why start this early, if you’re not gonna follow it up pretty soon?

  31. Jackol
    Posted September 26, 2011 at 1:11 am | Permalink

    sjwenings,

    The quote is from the standard prayer of the followers of the red god, and I’d say it is likely that the white walkers are one of the terrors in the night they would be talking about …

    Also, isn’t it fairly likely that the hill of the First Men with the wight/Others attack will feature in season 2, as one of the climaxes of the season?

  32. sjwenings
    Posted September 26, 2011 at 1:23 am | Permalink

    Jackol: sjwenings, The quote is from the standard prayer of the followers of the red god, and I’d say it is likely that the white walkers are one of the terrors in the night they would be talking about …Also, isn’t it fairly likely that the hill of the First Men with the wight/Others attack will feature in season 2, as one of the climaxes of the season?

    Uuuh… Yeah? I didn’t exactly say it was not – whats your point?

    Likely? No. Possible? Yes. But if so, I don’t expect they would get to the point where Sam encounters the Other.

  33. Arrogant Bastard
    Posted September 26, 2011 at 1:28 am | Permalink

    Mark,

    Game of Thrones is a good and neutral title. Changing the name of the series would be unnecessarily confusing to non book readers and “A Song of Ice and Fire” is just an awful name for a show. It’s not catchy and sounds like some kind of fantasy opera.

  34. John-Michael Lelievre
    Posted September 26, 2011 at 1:36 am | Permalink

    Filming isn’t even finished so i wouldn’t expect too much too soon.

  35. Jackol
    Posted September 26, 2011 at 1:38 am | Permalink

    sjwenings,

    Uuuh… Yeah? I didn’t exactly say it was not – whats your point?

    You said

    To non-bookreaders – which should be their main target audience right now – this sounds like The White walkers to me.

    And then implied non-bookreaders were being misled or would feel ‘cheated’ – well I can’t see how, the red god prayer is almost certainly directly about the Others in whole or in part, and the hill of the First Men scene could make an excellent horror movie scene if done right.

    I think it’s likely to be in season 2 simply because (a) it doesn’t make a lot of sense to open Season 3 with it, and (b) the NW beyond the wall will seem a bit incomplete without it – Yeah Jon goes off and does his thing with the wildlings, but the NW just rode out, talked with Craster, and sat on a hill for a bit … seems a bit limp from a narrative perspective to me.

  36. Tar Kidho
    Posted September 26, 2011 at 1:52 am | Permalink

    I’m sure there’s creative fans around that could come up with similar teasers as this one. I’m not one of those, but wouldn’t it be cool to flood youtube with a bunch of such little movies to remind HBO we are hungry for more ;-)

  37. Nights King
    Posted September 26, 2011 at 2:17 am | Permalink

    I’d be interested to hear TV only fans’ reactions to this. I don’t think they’d really know what the hell that’s referencing specifically, and only book readers can really get jazzed up about it (at least that’s what I would think).

    I think book one had some solid lines that were easy to use for promoting the show (winter is coming and you win or you die being the two most obvious). And I agree that after Ned’s arc, people both get it now and the show could use with a little refresh in terms of marketing.

    To the discussion above, I agree that “The night is dark and full of terrors” is probably referencing WWs and that, unless they play with the timeline some, Season 2 is probably premature to use that line. Here’s my submission for actual lines in the books that would work:

    “What is dead may never die” – already said above
    “They are the knights of summer, and winter is coming” – to tie in with last season a bit

    Frankly, the more I think on it, the more I think they need to sell the show based on the characters. I’m envisioning a poster campaign similar to Rome’s season 2 (ex. Picture of Atia’s face with “Atia is a tram” superimposed on it). They did something similar for last season with the photos of a few characters on the iron throne, but they had shitty lines on most of them (Robert’s killing things clears my head line was garbage)

    Towards that end, here’s a few I’d like to see: (and i believe i threw this suggestion out once before for season 1 but I’m not about to look back to double check that)

    Arya – “I am the ghost in Harrenhal”
    Arya – “Is there gold hidden in the village…”
    Jon – “I am the sword in the darkness. The watcher on the wall”
    Jon – “You know nothing Jon Snow”
    Robb – “The king in the North” – then they could do season 3 “The king who lost the north”
    Cat – “Give me Cercei Lannister and I will show you how gentle a woman can be”
    Tyrion – “I am the only thing standing between them and the fire” – not sure if that’s exactly the line but its something like that
    Tyrion – “Even a little man can cast a big shadow”
    Jaime – depends on what they give him this season, but they could just stick with “There are no men like me. Only me”

  38. Tar Kidho
    Posted September 26, 2011 at 2:37 am | Permalink

    Nights King: Tyrion – “Even a little man can cast a big shadow”

    I wouldn’t mind if they focused a lot of the promotion this year on Tyrion. After season 1 and the demise of Ned, the now Emmy-awarded Peter Dinklage seems a likely candidate to take up the role Sean Bean played last year. Also, the tag-line you suggest is applicable to many characters (Dany, Jon, Arya,…), at least if one can neglect a possible gender issue… Of course, “Even a little man can cast a big shadow” is less ominous than “The night is dark and full of terrors”, but IMO it better catches the spirit of the story.

  39. Jackol
    Posted September 26, 2011 at 2:47 am | Permalink

    Tar Kidho,

    I wouldn’t mind if they focused a lot of the promotion this year on Tyrion.

    I’d agree with that, and ACoK is Tyrion’s time to really shine.

  40. Ivan Popić
    Posted September 26, 2011 at 3:31 am | Permalink

    Well that was short and to the point… But I loved that 17 seconds :D

    As we are on a subject of promotional campaign they could show us the forces fighting for the Iron Throne, similarly as they are called in appendix to the Clash of Kings – The King on the Iron Throne, King in the North, Queen across the water etc.
    It would tie in with name of the series and the promotional campaign from the season 1 when there were many characters on the Iron Throne…

  41. Kim
    Posted September 26, 2011 at 3:34 am | Permalink

    In terms of promotion, I’m partial to shots of each of the five kings on the iron throne, surrounded by their closest councillors, e.g. Robb with Catelyn, Roose, Greatjon, etc. or Joffrey with Tyrion, Cersei, Varys, Littlefinger, perhaps with tag lines like The King in the North, The King on the Iron Throne, etc.

  42. Lex
    Posted September 26, 2011 at 3:44 am | Permalink

    Mark:
    Anyone else bothered this isn’t titled“Clash of Kings”.

    No. Renaming the show is the stupidest idea I’ve ever heard. Good thing you don’t work for HBO.

    As for the teaser, youtube is full of idiots hating on the fact that it’s such a tease. Well, that’s why it’s called a TEASE. I’m seriously starting to hate the internet right now.

  43. Dorskey
    Posted September 26, 2011 at 3:57 am | Permalink

    I would say its essential to maintain the Game of Thrones title because im sure there are thousands of tv viewers who have not read the books and are not familar with a Song of Ice and Fire. Plus I think in terms of titles GOT would attract further viewers as it is a more powerful title (so to speak).

  44. Oi!
    Posted September 26, 2011 at 4:01 am | Permalink

    That sure is a teasing teaser, have to admit that i expected some footage like in the “Raven” trailer that we got last year.

  45. Lachezar
    Posted September 26, 2011 at 4:05 am | Permalink

    Can someone tell me how it is said in english this line, that the guy from nightswatch says when eating porridge:
    I’ll try to translate:
    “The porridge is awfull and filled with turnip”

  46. Tar Kidho
    Posted September 26, 2011 at 4:18 am | Permalink

    Lex,

    get a good cup of coffee before you venture on the internet on a Monday morning, Lex…

  47. clemintine
    Posted September 26, 2011 at 4:30 am | Permalink

    That takes teaser to new heights. It’s all tease and no trailer! Even the very first trailer, the one with the tall trees and like 3 flashed scenes that ended with “Winter is coming” had more content! All we learn for this one is… marketing is changing their taglines each year. Which is a mighty fine idea. “The night is dark and full of terrors” is a good one.

    Here’s my guesses for what’s going to be used as the main taglines for the rest of the seasons:

    season 3: Now the rains weep o’er his hall, with no one there to hear.
    season 4: All men must die.
    season 5: That’s as useful as nipples on a breastplate.

    Just kidding. 5 will probably be: The North remembers.

    Ivan Popić: As we are on a subject of promotional campaign they could show us the forces fighting for the Iron Throne, similarly as they are called in appendix to the Clash of Kings – The King on the Iron Throne, King in the North, Queen across the water etc.
    It would tie in with name of the series and the promotional campaign from the season 1 when there were many characters on the Iron Throne…

    I wonder if they will do a new “throne trailer” (my favourite one) with footage just for that trailer that’s not for the final show. i.e. a rotation of Robb, Dany, Stannis, Renly, Joffrey, and Balon and whispers about their ambitions. Or they’d probably do something new, but I definitely would want a trailer that features the 5 kings and queen.

  48. Jennyn
    Posted September 26, 2011 at 4:46 am | Permalink

    Langkard: That’s the kind of teaser which is more like that annoying tiny flying bug which always manages to find the precise angle to fly right in between your glasses and your eye.

    This! It’s about as satisfying as being served your favourite dish and all you get to do is sniff it for a second. Cruel.

  49. Blackfish Blues
    Posted September 26, 2011 at 4:58 am | Permalink

    Nice! I hope this means Dillane will step into Sean Bean’s shoes as “older lead” draw of the season, and fill them nicely. I’m glad we got such an interesting Stannis, and I hadn’t even heard of the actor till now. His voice gave me shivers.

    Edit: Oh my, what did I do in 3 lines to be moderated? I even said nice things. Have I been Blackfished? er, I mean blacklisted?

  50. Jennyn
    Posted September 26, 2011 at 5:05 am | Permalink

    Nights King,

    I agree. In addition to an overall theme for the season, a character-specific poster campaign can be effective. Last season my husband and I designed our own posters for a party based on the layout of the ones published by HBO. In part, because we found important characters to be missing and in part because some of the lines they chose, well, sucked (I’m thinking Robert here).
    Our choices:
    Tyrion – They have their swords. I have my mind.
    Jaime – The things I do for love.
    Arya – Fear cuts deeper than swords.
    Sansa – Why can’t life be like a love song?
    Robb – I know what is expected of me.
    Catelyn – Family. Duty. Honor.
    Littlefinger – I did warn you.
    Khal Drogo – I have never been defeated.
    Viserys – I want what was promised.

  51. Idaan
    Posted September 26, 2011 at 5:27 am | Permalink

    Lachezar,

    Dolorous Edd (or was it Pyp) says “The night is dark and full of turnips”. So you were pretty close.

  52. knowsomething
    Posted September 26, 2011 at 5:35 am | Permalink

    Mark,

    No. Not at all. It’s a TV show and it’s titled Game of Thrones. I think it would be silly to change it every year.

  53. Winterdark
    Posted September 26, 2011 at 6:00 am | Permalink

    Not to be nitpicking but I expected Stannis’s voice to be much, much lower and deeper. More like Liam Cunningham’s voice who I still think would make a better Stannis. Not that I’d know who I want for Davos then.

  54. gilly
    Posted September 26, 2011 at 6:35 am | Permalink

    I think the teaser is great, it’s interesting and makes you wish S2 comes soon, but at the same time it doesn’t give you any information about what’s going to happen. I like the new tagline because its ‘a reference to Melissandre and Stannis, which are going to be important in the show, but I agree that people who hasn’t read the books may think it’s about the white walkers
    Hopefully we will have a trailer soon with some scenes.

  55. Tenesmus
    Posted September 26, 2011 at 7:02 am | Permalink

    I think what I liked a lot about the second book, was the unwritten comparing and contrasting of how Ned and Tyrion handle thier duties as The Hand. It was never stated directly, but I couldn’t help but notice the stark (pun!) differences in how Tyrion went about his business and how Ned was completely over his head.

  56. Elena Amici
    Posted September 26, 2011 at 7:30 am | Permalink

    FINALLY!!!

  57. João Amaral
    Posted September 26, 2011 at 7:48 am | Permalink

    a similar trailer to the one with the character in the throne would be cool this year, but with them on their own thrones, and with they close allies with them.

  58. Winter Is Coming
    Posted September 26, 2011 at 8:13 am | Permalink

    Man, this trailer would really have been made 1000% better if they had slipped in a shot of Melisandre staring ominously into the camera.

    Also, what’s with the weird chanting just before Dillane states the tagline? Do we think it’s something from the show or just Random Trailer Audio?

  59. SaryaStone
    Posted September 26, 2011 at 8:18 am | Permalink

    Winterdark: I would hate it if Liam Cunningham was Stannis (“who has the personality of a lobster”). Davos will have an awesome journey in the seasons to come and who better to play him than Liam?

    I watched eps 6-10 yesterday and am more and more happy with the casting choices made. 95% success rate is good for any show.

  60. HouseLark
    Posted September 26, 2011 at 8:26 am | Permalink

    Agree with people who think we should have got a shot of Mel. The tagline “you win or you die” probably applies more to this series than the last.

  61. Starkgirl
    Posted September 26, 2011 at 9:15 am | Permalink

    Winter Is ComingAlso, what’s with the weird chanting just before Dillane states the tagline? Do we think it’s something from the show or just Random Trailer Audio?

    The chanting reminded me of the language and sounds the Others made in the pilot, but I could be wrong.

  62. Winterdark
    Posted September 26, 2011 at 9:23 am | Permalink

    SaryaStone: Winterdark: I would hate it if Liam Cunningham was Stannis (“who has the personality of a lobster”). Davos will have an awesome journey in the seasons to come and who better to play him than Liam? I watched eps 6-10 yesterday and am more and more happy with the casting choices made. 95% success rate is good for any show.

    Okay, so maybe not Liam cunningham but I just can’t see (or hear) Dillane as Stannis. I imagined him as a tall broad shouldered, imposing figure with a deep, dark voice. Stephen Dillane is nowhere near that. He’s a thin guy with a high voice. Also he doesn’t look even the smallest bit like Mark Addy who’s supposed to be his brother. Dillane might be a great actor but I don’t think he’ll make a good Stannis. But I agree that so far the casting decissions have been great so maybe I’m wrong.

  63. Daniel Moitz
    Posted September 26, 2011 at 9:30 am | Permalink

    It also sounds like he’s whispering. Why would the rightful* king of the Seven Kingdoms whisper?

    * in Westeros’ law system, of course. I really like how GRRM portrays even the “good” characters with outdated/feudal world views, most notably the belief in a “bloodline”, the concept of the “weak gender”, etc.
    I hate it when some medieval/medieval-fantasy character is implanted with humanistic ideals to make them more relatable to modern readers.

  64. John
    Posted September 26, 2011 at 9:31 am | Permalink

    Winterdark: Okay, so maybe not Liam cunningham but I just can’t see (or hear) Dillane as Stannis. I imagined him as a tall broad shouldered, imposing figure with a deep, dark voice. Stephen Dillane is nowhere near that. He’s a thin guy with a high voice. Also he doesn’t look even the smallest bit like Mark Addy who’s supposed to be his brother. Dillane might be a great actor but I don’t think he’ll make a good Stannis.But I agree that so far the casting decissions have been great so maybe I’m wrong.

    The same has been said about Mark Addy last year and he has been great as Robert

  65. dizzy_34
    Posted September 26, 2011 at 9:35 am | Permalink

    Winter Is Coming,

    Its probably background audio from the burning of the seven or some ‘random’ Melisandre spell. It’s definitely chanting though. I like the big scream before the “bawhoooosh” circle of fire.

  66. Peter Rutten
    Posted September 26, 2011 at 9:51 am | Permalink

    Mark,

    Ha finally somebody came up with ‘Hé they didn’t follow the names of the books’. Your fast!!
    These are the cinematic interpretations of the books a Game Of Thrones is all that is, they can’t and might stop now.

  67. Starkgirl
    Posted September 26, 2011 at 9:56 am | Permalink

    Daniel Moitz:
    It also sounds like he’s whispering. Why would the rightful* king of the Seven Kingdoms whisper?

    * in Westeros’ law system, of course. I really like how GRRM portrays even the “good” characters with outdated/feudal world views, most notably the belief in a “bloodline”, the concept of the “weak gender”, etc.
    I hate it when some medieval/medieval-fantasy character is implanted with humanistic ideals to make them more relatable to modern readers.

    I am pretty sure they just had the actor playing Stannis whisper that for the promo. I doubt he’ll be doing a lot of whispering on the show as that wouldn’t fit Stannis’s character.

    As for Dillane’s look, it’s nothing as I imagined Stannis being from the book, but if he’s as talented an actor as others have made him out to be, I’m confident he’ll do a great job in the role. He doesn’t look a lot like Mark Addy to me, but it could simply be that one brother took more after their mother, and the other took more after the father. ~shrugs~ They’re not obligated to adhere that closely to the book descriptions of characters except where it’s truly important for the plot.

  68. sjwenings
    Posted September 26, 2011 at 10:05 am | Permalink

    Jackol: And then implied non-bookreaders were being misled or would feel ‘cheated’ – well I can’t see how, the red god prayer is almost certainly directly about the Others in whole or in part, and the hill of the First Men scene could make an excellent horror movie scene if done right

    I don’t understand the problem here. Yes, that is exactly what i implied. And if they think “oh, so we’ll see the white walkers” – and then don’t, they would feel cheated. So what if the prayer refers to the White walkers? I assumed that we wouldn’t see them.

  69. Winter Is Coming
    Posted September 26, 2011 at 10:07 am | Permalink

    Daniel Moitz: It also sounds like he’s whispering. Why would the rightful* king of the Seven Kingdoms whisper?

    This reminds me of when the first teaser for season one came out that had Sean Bean saying “Winter is coming” and then giving an evil laugh.

    “Why is Ned laughing?!?!”

    Good times!

  70. NewJeffCT
    Posted September 26, 2011 at 10:22 am | Permalink

    John: The same has been said about Mark Addy last year and he has been great as Robert

    I’d agree. Plus, I think Stannis is more about attitude (iron – hard & inflexible; does not bend, but will break) than about his physical stature and appearance.

  71. Shinyteapot
    Posted September 26, 2011 at 10:23 am | Permalink

    Winter Is Coming,

    I’m pretty sure that was taken from his dialogue with Benjen at the feast.

  72. userj
    Posted September 26, 2011 at 10:34 am | Permalink

    Eeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeek! Stannis!

    I’m actually excited this is the tagline for Series 2, because Stannis is one of my faves and this makes me think they may play up his role a bit more than in the books! He is the new player of the game, and as we who’ve read the books know he’s one of the few still standing (well, probably).

    Next, a shot of Stan/Mel/Davos in costume: DO WANT

  73. Alexander Dubrovsky
    Posted September 26, 2011 at 10:43 am | Permalink

    I love how people judge Stephen Dillane without having seen him act as Stannis. He was phenomenal in John Adams, I’m sure he will be just as great in GoT.

  74. userj
    Posted September 26, 2011 at 10:44 am | Permalink

    Kim: In terms of promotion, I’m partial to shots of each of the five kings on the iron throne, surrounded by their closest councillors, e.g. Robb with Catelyn, Roose, Greatjon, etc. or Joffrey with Tyrion, Cersei, Varys, Littlefinger, perhaps with tag lines like The King in the North, The King on the Iron Throne, etc.

    Awesome idea. I’d say:
    Stannis w/ Mel and Davos
    Robb w/ Cat and Jeyne
    Balon w/ Asha and Theon
    Joffery w/ Cersei, Tyrion, and The Hound
    Renly w/ Brienne, Loras, and Margaery
    Dany w/ Jorah

    Or they could just clone last season and have the players on the throne alone. But I prefer your idea with their “courts”. :)

  75. David The Grey
    Posted September 26, 2011 at 11:16 am | Permalink

    Looking forward to the next several months of more teases and then trailers. Didn’t think my excitement could be surpassed from last year’s, but it has. Such fun, the building of anticipation!

  76. Epic Wunderscheisse
    Posted September 26, 2011 at 11:28 am | Permalink

    Alexander Dubrovsky:
    I love how people judge Stephen Dillane without having seen him act as Stannis. He was phenomenal in John Adams, I’m sure he will be just as great in GoT.

    I agree. Although Thomas Jefferson is a very different, subdued, character. (I haven’t seen Dillane in anything other than John Adams.) But in my mind he has the right look, and I believe he is a strong actor.

  77. Josh Parker
    Posted September 26, 2011 at 11:52 am | Permalink

    I can’t believe there are people still complaining that Dillane doesn’t look like Addy.

    Robert and Stannis AREN’T SUPPOSED to look alike. Many comments are made in the book about how different they are (and how much older Stannis looks, just to head off all the “but he’s supposed to be younger”) complainers.

    Also, my brother and I have the same parents and were raised together, and we couldn’t be LESS alike. The only thing we have in common is that we both have read hair and are musical, but even there, his hair is a lighter red than mine, he’s more of a musician and I’m more of a singer, and our tastes in music couldn’t be more different. Our facial structure is completely different; he favors my dad and I my mom. Our body types are totally different; I’m fat and he’s skinny. We’re both tall, though.

    Dillane was expertly cast. He was even among my own personal shortlist of actors I’d like to see get the role.

  78. Jennyn
    Posted September 26, 2011 at 11:57 am | Permalink

    David The Grey: Such fun, the building of anticipation!

    Absolutely! After the initial “Wow, that was a blink-and-you’ll-miss-it-teaser” disappointment, I noticed anticipation building up. A little like hearing mum and dad hide presents before birthdays or Christmas. Gotta love ‘em for making me feel like a kid again!

    And where the cast (e.g. Dillane) is concerned my MO is: they’re all perfect (like Mark Addy was) until proven miscast (like Renly and Loras are, some might argue). I wouldn’t want people judging me by some photo or something I did in a completely unrelated context. Just sayin’.

  79. Nicole
    Posted September 26, 2011 at 11:59 am | Permalink

    Love it, but I really do wish for a shot of Mel! I need to get working on that costume :)

    The background drumming was to good effect! Reminded me of a few huge bonfire celebrations, so I guess GoT will keep me fueled with fires and footage of them until next camping season.

  80. Joshua Taylor
    Posted September 26, 2011 at 12:02 pm | Permalink

    Blackfish Blues,

    Rent HBO’s John Adams ASAP. Great series anyways but the real draw is Dillane’s Thomas Jefferson. Amazing performance.

    Also…King Arthur, he plays Merlin. And if you like Shakespeare check out Dillane as Laertes in the Mel Gibson Hamlet.

  81. Oi!
    Posted September 26, 2011 at 12:05 pm | Permalink

    Is it just me or does the viewers guide (houses, map…) for GOT not work anymore?

  82. Jennyn
    Posted September 26, 2011 at 12:07 pm | Permalink

    Josh Parker: Also, my brother and I have the same parents and were raised together, and we couldn’t be LESS alike.

    Ditto. My brother and I look so different (he is 6.8 and “dark of hair”, while I’m 5.4 and “golden-haired”), when we go someplace, people think we might be an item. Yup, no kidding. Don’t get me started on how different our personalities are…

    These complaints remind me of when people were obsessing about Cersei’s dark eyebrows. It happens, people. Mother Nature’s gotta have fun somehow, so she’s gonna mix things around once in a while.

  83. dizzy_34
    Posted September 26, 2011 at 12:07 pm | Permalink

    I thought it was also a good sign last night that during HBO’s promo reel that Game of Thrones was placed at the end of their coming 2012 previews and listed all of their emmy nods and wins. I hope this means that they are thinking of it as one of their bell cows shows going forward.

  84. tek
    Posted September 26, 2011 at 12:07 pm | Permalink

    Shinyteapot,

    I think you are right. I was rewatching the other day, and I totally thought about that first teaser. So funny how something taken out of context can change your interpretation of it.

    tek

  85. Rob Volz
    Posted September 26, 2011 at 12:11 pm | Permalink

    HouseLark:
    Agree with people who think we should have got a shot of Mel. The tagline “you win or you die” probably applies more to this series than the last.

    (spoilers through Book 3)

    Not really. Last season had four big time deaths (Viserys, Robert, Ned, Drogo). This year will be great, but there are only two important deaths, neither of which I’d put on the level of Ned or Drogo (at least from the audience’s perspective), Renly and Balon. Season 3 and 4 are when GRRM really gets back to doing what he does best: crushing your hopes and dreams;)

    As for the tagline/White Walker reference, I agree that there is a good chance they move up the attack on the Fist to the final episode of this season, especially if they are moving up Jaime’s release, as well. Then they can open Season 3 with the aftermath/Old Bear’s death.

  86. Shinyteapot
    Posted September 26, 2011 at 12:28 pm | Permalink

    Jennyn,

    It’s strange how people notice some similarities and not others. On a black and white photo there’s no mistaking my brother and I as siblings, we have the same shape face, same nose, same smile, he’s taller but boys usually are. Look at us in real life and no-one believes we’re related. He’s got dark hair and a permanent suntan, I’m a redhead and snowman-white. It’s like the colours override everything else.

  87. Franny Bee
    Posted September 26, 2011 at 12:30 pm | Permalink

    Melissandre is Coming…

  88. Doug
    Posted September 26, 2011 at 12:57 pm | Permalink

    As far as ending on the Fist I can see them wanting to end the season with the battle on the Fist, but I’m not sure they can afford to do so. With the Battle on the Blackwater being such an expensive set piece, I’m not sure they can do another big battle that would involve a bunch of special affects (makeup on the wrights, possible cgi animals, etc). My guess is that they’ll leave the battle itself as a season ending cliffhanger, and end on the 3 horns sounding and Sam referencing that that means its the others. Then fade to black.

  89. Steve the Pirate
    Posted September 26, 2011 at 12:59 pm | Permalink

    It’s probably too early for any finished footage to be used or cut into it, or they’re saving it for a real preview or trailer in the future. I’m really disgusted by the bitching and demanding for a teaser with actors in it, etc. So ungrateful. The fandom is so entitled about it- but we are not entitled to anything. I love the slow buildup of the teasers, and promo ads, like we had last year.
    Love the Stannis quote and voiceover.

  90. Epic, the bomb
    Posted September 26, 2011 at 1:05 pm | Permalink

    As an aside, I am a Paul Giamatti fan and I wouldn’t call John Adams ‘great’. Consistent high quality sets, good acting, etc? Yes, absolutely. But somehow ‘great’ got lost in the depressing biographical/period piece topic. As supporting actor Dillante was a functional part of the show. By contrast Tom Wilkinson easily stole scenes as Benjamin Franklin.

  91. John
    Posted September 26, 2011 at 1:06 pm | Permalink

    Steve the Pirate:
    It’s probably too early for any finished footage to be used or cut into it, or they’re saving it for a real preview or trailer in the future. I’m really disgusted by the bitching and demanding for a teaser with actors in it, etc. So ungrateful. The fandom is so entitled about it- but we are not entitled to anything. I love the slow buildup of the teasers, and promo ads, like we had last year.
    Love the Stannis quote and voiceover.

    I agree you’re right .

  92. dizzy_34
    Posted September 26, 2011 at 1:08 pm | Permalink

    Steve the Pirate,

    Well I look at it this way. At least people care to get all worked up over it not being enough for them no matter how foolish they look.

  93. John
    Posted September 26, 2011 at 1:08 pm | Permalink

    Epic, the bomb:
    As an aside, I am a Paul Giamatti fan and I wouldn’t call John Adams ‘great’. Consistent high quality sets, good acting, etc? Yes, absolutely.But somehow ‘great’ got lost in the depressing biographical/period piece topic. As supporting actor Dillante was a functional part of the show. By contrast Tom Wilkinson easily stole scenes as Benjamin Franklin.

    Well of course now you try to downplay his abilities as an actor to prove your point why you don’t like him as Stannis .

  94. Blatz
    Posted September 26, 2011 at 1:08 pm | Permalink

    Is is sad that that gave me chills, even though it showed absolutely nothing?

  95. Jennyn
    Posted September 26, 2011 at 1:13 pm | Permalink

    Shinyteapot: It’s like the colours override everything else.

    Interesting point. My semi-colourblind husband would disagree, but you might be onto something. I didn’t want to go into any great detail before, but family resemblance or lack thereof is something I’ve always found intriguing. As for my brother and me, all we have in common on the outside is our laugh, our ears and the bone-structure of our wrists. Seriously. As for the inside, our taste in music, hobby-photography and now, due to my incessant nagging, GoT!

  96. Epic, the bomb
    Posted September 26, 2011 at 1:15 pm | Permalink

    John,

    Except I’m not trying, and I have no opinion about Dilettante’s Stannis Baratheon until I see it.

  97. James
    Posted September 26, 2011 at 1:25 pm | Permalink

    Doug,

    Thats what i was going to say. Ending the season with the 3rd horn sounding would be an epic cliffhanger. They shouldnt actually show the attack though, save that for the opening of the 3rd season.

  98. Lex
    Posted September 26, 2011 at 1:28 pm | Permalink

    Tar Kidho:
    Lex,

    get a good cup of coffee before you venture on the internet on a Monday morning, Lex…

    It was a drunken Sunday night post, but point taken. ;)

    Anyways, regarding the general reaction to this teaser… here at WiC, it’s quite tame. The real bitching and negativity is all over youtube and the GOT facebook page. It seems like 99% of the TV-only fans got absolutely nothing out of this teaser (they barely registered the voice, and no one realizes it’s Stannis). They all just keep saying stuff like “WTF is this crap? It’s just a logo. Worst teaser ever. LAME.”

    This makes me think that the teaser is primarily for us fans, much like the first two teasers last year. I don’t think anyone but us even registered those first teasers. The difference now is that the show is a huge hit.

    Personally, I loved the teaser and am very excited about Dillane.

  99. Epic, the bomb
    Posted September 26, 2011 at 1:34 pm | Permalink

    Lex: The real bitching and negativity is all over youtube and the GOT facebook page.

    At least we can find comfort in the fact that no one actually reads that garbage.

    …Right?

  100. Steve the Pirate
    Posted September 26, 2011 at 1:49 pm | Permalink

    Most of my vehement reaction is because of the Facebook page, not because of people here. On Facebook, people are being just horrible about it. And you know, they didn’t give us this teaser instead of giving telling us who’s playing Ygritte or Jojen etc. I don’t know why people make that complaint, it makes no sense at all.

  101. Lex
    Posted September 26, 2011 at 1:59 pm | Permalink

    Steve the Pirate:
    And you know, they didn’t give us this teaser instead of giving telling us who’s playing Ygritte or Jojen etc. I don’t know why people make that complaint, it makes no sense at all.

    Are you sure? I bet the HBO execs sat around last night, deciding, “Should we give them a teaser, or Jojen? Hmm… teaser.” :)

  102. dizzy_34
    Posted September 26, 2011 at 2:03 pm | Permalink

    Epic, the bomb,

    I always find myself reading about two or three comments on IMDB, Facebook or Youtube and then I catch myself and think “Oh wait, these people are morons”. Now you all, faithful WiC commenters, I hold to a higher standard. :)

  103. Liesie
    Posted September 26, 2011 at 2:08 pm | Permalink

    Yaaay a teaser :) Didn’t see that one coming! And just when I had almost decided to join the Brother(sister?)hood Without Previews…. A well maybe next season XD

  104. Yellow Dog
    Posted September 26, 2011 at 2:12 pm | Permalink

    Doug: As far as ending on the Fist I can see them wanting to end the season with the battle on the Fist, but I’m not sure they can afford to do so. With the Battle on the Blackwater being such an expensive set piece, I’m not sure they can do another big battle that would involve a bunch of special affects (makeup on the wrights, possible cgi animals, etc). My guess is that they’ll leave the battle itself as a season ending cliffhanger, and end on the 3 horns sounding and Sam referencing that that means its the others. Then fade to black.

    Do you have any idea how many non-reader, series-only watchers that would probably kill?

    Not to mention another terrible nine months for we readers of fending off questions and biting our tongues off to avoid spoilers.

    On the bright side, it would start another avalanche of book-buying.

  105. Jillian
    Posted September 26, 2011 at 2:19 pm | Permalink

    While I could complain that the teaser was about 15 seconds long, had no actors appear in it, and showed no new scenery from season 2, I still rewound my TV like 3 times just to hear the voice over again and again. Apparently the teaser worked, at least on me. :^)

  106. Epic, the bomb
    Posted September 26, 2011 at 2:26 pm | Permalink

    dizzy_34,

    I’m guilty of that too with moronic youtube comments.

    I don’t see the problem with people being disappointed with this teaser because it lacks content. These are good people who want more GoT. No harm in that. They simply don’t understand that every little thing HBO does is sacred, holy, and good.

    The only thing that can save us now is a video journal of the Moot 3.

  107. Idaan
    Posted September 26, 2011 at 2:34 pm | Permalink

    Winterdark: Okay, so maybe not Liam cunningham but I just can’t see (or hear) Dillane as Stannis. I imagined him as a tall broad shouldered, imposing figure with a deep, dark voice. Stephen Dillane is nowhere near that. He’s a thin guy with a high voice. Also he doesn’t look even the smallest bit like Mark Addy who’s supposed to be his brother. Dillane might be a great actor but I don’t think he’ll make a good Stannis. But I agree that so far the casting decissions have been great so maybe I’m wrong.

    Winterdark,
    Same here, but I’ve grown to like Stephen Dillane based on his pictures alone. Given how talented he is, I’m confident he’ll pull it off.

    See, I’ve always pictured Stannis with a face like a clenched fist, tall and broad-shouldered – pretty much like Mark Strong. But then I realized that it’s my sympathy and admiration for the character that leads me to picture him as more badass and charismatic than he is ever described to be.

    Sure, we as readers realize that Stannis has a really remarkable personality, just, courageous, reasonable and likable, but we’re privy to the POVs of the only two characters that can be considered his friends. He really is a man who doesn’t show his feelings, but hides them behind a wall built over years of mistreatment and neglect he experienced from others.

    Stephen Dillane has a face that fits with that image: cold and impassionate, with deep sadness visible only through his eyes. He is the man I can imagine enduring a year-long siege reduced to eating onions, and the man who brooded for years over a simple misunderstanding that he took for an offence. Not Mark Strong, or whoever was the fan-favourite before Dillane.

  108. Elena Amici
    Posted September 26, 2011 at 2:53 pm | Permalink

    Lex: As for the teaser, youtube is full of idiots hating on the fact that it’s such a tease. Well, that’s why it’s called a TEASE. I’m seriously starting to hate the internet right now.

    oh, this. I was puzzled when i first watched it on youtube. Actually, that’s just what i wrote in my comment. Come.On.

    Idaan: “The night is dark and full of turnips”.

    that was my favorite line from dance :D

  109. sjwenings
    Posted September 26, 2011 at 3:03 pm | Permalink

    Lex: As for the teaser, youtube is full of idiots hating on the fact that it’s such a tease. Well, that’s why it’s called a TEASE. I’m seriously starting to hate the internet right now.

    It’s a teaser, but to such a degree that it’s just annoying.

    This is not your average teaser-thingy. It’s way less, even.

  110. Knurk
    Posted September 26, 2011 at 3:09 pm | Permalink

    The thing that got me most excited was the Sizzle-reel in which HBO showed all their upcoming shows. Boy do they have a lot of new programs in store for the viewers (especially looking forward to Veep and Life’s too Short) and whaddayaknow, (just like last year) they end the reel with a bang showing Game of Thrones as their Emmy-winner.

  111. Elena Amici
    Posted September 26, 2011 at 3:13 pm | Permalink

    Knurk,

    can you link it here? I loved their last one (which aired on Jan, i think. it was GREAT)

  112. Johan Sporre
    Posted September 26, 2011 at 3:17 pm | Permalink

    Elena Amici,

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0NMBlhX2Iwo

    Yellow Dog: Do you have any idea how many non-reader, series-only watchers that would probably kill?

    You’re right, it’d be incredibly fun!

  113. Virtus
    Posted September 26, 2011 at 3:49 pm | Permalink

    That ring of fire in the teaser… Didn’t either Stannis or Melisandre saw a ring of fire in the snow, when looking into the flames in Dragonstone? And didn’t that refer to the retreat of the Night’s Watch from the Fist of the First Men, when commander Mormont ordered torch bearers to march in a circle formation? Could that mean that this is included in Season 2?

  114. Chris
    Posted September 26, 2011 at 4:21 pm | Permalink

    The internet is producing a mob of entitled babies. To piss and moan about a teaser 6 months before the premier date is just silly beyond belief. I’m guessing the main goal of this was to announce an air date and to keep the show fresh in the HBO viewers mind.

    I actually was happy with it because the production quality of this teaser is WAY beyond just about anything we saw last year, save the Throne teaser / trailer. They hadn’t even settled on a logo until shortly before the show’s heavy promotion began, and the teasers we got early were clearly just sort of “thrown together” for the book fans.

  115. Langkard
    Posted September 26, 2011 at 4:30 pm | Permalink

    Winter Is Coming:
    Man, this trailer would really have been made 1000% better if they had slipped in a shot of Melisandre staring ominously into the camera.

    Also, what’s with the weird chanting just before Dillane states the tagline? Do we think it’s something from the show or just Random Trailer Audio?

    Melisandre staring from within the ring of fire would look great!

    I think the chanting is probably going to be the bonfire scene on Dragonstone. They likely think it will make the burning of the Seven more ominous and more effective than just a bunch of knights standing around a fire silently. I’m really looking forward to that scene and hoping they give some good screen time to reaction shots for Stannis and Davos. So much can be established for both characters just from how they deal with that bonfire scene.

  116. Nimble Dick
    Posted September 26, 2011 at 5:02 pm | Permalink

    not enough boobs and gore for me

  117. the goat
    Posted September 26, 2011 at 5:50 pm | Permalink

    ASOIAF fans acting like whiny, entitled trolls!?! Shocking.

    In related news, the sun rose in the East today.

    Nimble Dick:
    not enough boobs and gore for me

    Now that’s how you complain about a teaser.

  118. John Engedal
    Posted September 26, 2011 at 6:03 pm | Permalink

    LOVE IT!
    I actually like this little teaser better than most of the trailers from last year. And I also think that this year´s teasers and trailers are going to be of much higher quality.

    I read somewhere that Ramin Djawadi composed the music for the first season after most of the trailers were out, or maybe he was too busy with the show to make any trailer music, because I felt that most of the music in the Season 1 trailers was very generic.
    At least I thought so. So I´m hoping that he´ll compose some original music for the trailers this year. I´m not sure if this ever happens though, on TV.
    Second, everyone involved in the show is so experienced now, so I´m thinking both the show and trailers will look better.
    At least I hope so, as an avid lover of trailers. I say that, BUT, I will be joining the BWP this year, so I´ll never know unless they release more teasers like these without footage:)

    Thank you

  119. Dan
    Posted September 26, 2011 at 6:11 pm | Permalink
  120. GrzebykK
    Posted September 26, 2011 at 6:15 pm | Permalink

    Teaser? C’mon… Laughs were scheduled for Saturdays…

  121. Ser Skwisgaard
    Posted September 26, 2011 at 6:21 pm | Permalink

    Did anyone catch the shape the flames make at about 0:05:10? Look closely! For a few frames, the flames make the outline with the darkness forming a shape of leaping trout! and because it’s in the darkness, it’s a BLACKFISH! IT’S A MESSAGE TO ALL THE TRUE FANS! We are saved!

    [now removing tongue from cheek]

  122. Chris
    Posted September 26, 2011 at 7:11 pm | Permalink

    kevin,

    “Game of Thrones” really does suit as a “neutral title.” It’s also one of the most brilliant titles in the series, full of implication and internecine malice. “Clash of Kings” could be about the Franco Prussian War or virtually any medieval conflict. And “A Song of Ice and Fire just sounds a little too vague. I think sticking with “Game” for the whole series was a good choice.
    As for the night being dark and full of terrors, I still can’t get over Tyrion’s snarky bastardized translation of the prayers on the Selasori Quorhan in ADWS. “R’hollor keep us nice and toasty warm for the night is dark and full of terrors” or something like that.
    It was so perfect for Tyrion it made me laugh for a long time, but now that’s what I always think of!
    Curse you Tyrion, you nasty cynic you!

  123. Chris
    Posted September 26, 2011 at 7:12 pm | Permalink

    “aboard the Selasori Quorhan” in ADWD!
    Darn stickkkky keyboard.

  124. Susan C
    Posted September 26, 2011 at 7:19 pm | Permalink

    “The night is dark and full of turnips.”

    I loved that line… almost forgot about it. Now that would be a t-shirt slogan to make people wonder!

  125. Nimble Dick
    Posted September 26, 2011 at 7:31 pm | Permalink

    Dan,

    lets hope not

  126. The Dragon Demans
    Posted September 26, 2011 at 7:49 pm | Permalink

    word out on the street is that HBO is setting up a round of focus groups for season 2, to be held in October.

    Also, I truly thought they would rename it each season, to “Clash of Kings”, etc.

  127. Angel Andres
    Posted September 26, 2011 at 7:55 pm | Permalink

    OT. Vote for Game of Thrones for the Scream Awards. ASTB!

    http://www.spike.com/events/scream-awards-2011/voting

  128. Miyay
    Posted September 26, 2011 at 8:25 pm | Permalink

    i thought it was the One Ring and it sounded like David Wenham/Faramir

  129. Alan
    Posted September 26, 2011 at 9:56 pm | Permalink

    I don’t know how much this really helps, but in terms of returning programming, only GOT and BE won any Emmys. HBO does well with miniseries and specials, but in terms of overall brand marketing, winning emmys are a plus in terms of keeping the program around.

  130. Ed
    Posted September 26, 2011 at 10:18 pm | Permalink

    Wow – I’ve never heard somebody say “internecine malice” before… That rocks! I’m SO going to start using that! (once I look it up!) :)

    Chris:

    “Game of Thrones” really does suit as a “neutral title.”It’s also one of the most brilliant titles in the series, full of implication and internecine malice.

  131. Assunta
    Posted September 26, 2011 at 10:29 pm | Permalink

    dizzy_34:
    I thought it was also a good sign last night that during HBO’s promo reel that Game of Thrones was placed at the end of their coming 2012 previews and listed all of their emmy nods and wins. I hope this means that they are thinking of it as one of their bell cows shows going forward.

    I saw that reel right after Boardwalk Empire last night and had this absurd sort of proud mama moment when it was last. *sniff**sniff* our little baby, all grown up and winning Emmys and $hit. But I have to ask, what the heck is a “bell cow”?

  132. Joshua Taylor
    Posted September 26, 2011 at 10:55 pm | Permalink

    Epic, the bomb,

    Tom Wilkinson chewed the scenery but Dillane’s Jefferson stood out amongst everyone. He was more than functional, take him out and it would have suffered greatly. Dillane deserved that award over Wilkinson IMHO and I love Tom Wilkinson!

  133. Lex
    Posted September 26, 2011 at 11:28 pm | Permalink

    Regarding the Brotherhood Without Previews… I will rejoin it in the New Year, maybe two months before the season airs. I don’t mind early teasers and trailers, it’s just the complete trailer burnout towards the end that I want to avoid.

  134. Joshua Taylor
    Posted September 26, 2011 at 11:31 pm | Permalink

    Epic, the bomb

    A book or movie can be incredibly depressing and still be considered ‘great’.

    And to further the Dillane argument here’s a quote from Wastrel that sums his performance up perfectly:

    I’ll also add: if anyone hasn’t seen John Adams, rest assured that Dillane is brilliant as Jefferson. He manages to be repellently cold, playfully bored by the world, frighteningly passionate (almost psychopathic at points), slightly paranoid, elegantly polite, sombrely tragic, deeply and charmingly shy, overwhelmingly arrogant, childishly enthusiastic, suavely oily, honestly sincere, and somehow wholly sympathetic. It’s an enthralling performance.

    I of course am only trying to drum up support and enthusiasm for Dillane. I am fully prepared to love or hate him in the role given the quality of the performance and his ability to capture the essence of the character. But I have a good feeling about him.

  135. dizzy_34
    Posted September 26, 2011 at 11:55 pm | Permalink

    Assunta: I saw that reel right after Boardwalk Empire last night and had this absurd sort of proud mama moment when it was last. *sniff**sniff* our little baby, all grown up and winning Emmys and $hit. But I have to ask, what the heck is a “bell cow”?

    Ha! Forgive my Texism. We tie bells to the lead cow in the heard and call it a bell cow (yes cowbells have a function other than a Will Ferrel prop). We also ride horses to school and all wear cowboy hats and boots too. ;)

  136. Lord o' Boners
    Posted September 27, 2011 at 1:06 am | Permalink

    It’s cool, but they should’ve had Vargo Hoat say “Thapphires” instead.

  137. StaceyJ
    Posted September 27, 2011 at 1:07 am | Permalink

    I think by November or December we’ll see some short clips..

  138. selmy4king
    Posted September 27, 2011 at 1:22 am | Permalink

    Clearly it needed more Ros!

  139. KG
    Posted September 27, 2011 at 2:42 am | Permalink

    Winterdark,

    Yeah well he didn’t get the part. We all have our crosses to bear.

  140. Blackfish Blues
    Posted September 27, 2011 at 3:26 am | Permalink

    Joshua Taylor:

    Blackfish Blues,
    Rent HBO’s John Adams ASAP. Great series anyways but the real draw is Dillane’s Thomas Jefferson. Amazing performance.

    Also…King Arthur, he plays Merlin. And if you like Shakespeare check out Dillane as Laertes in the Mel Gibson Hamlet.

    Thanks! I saw both KA and Hamlet and I don’t remember him, but it was a long time ago, I’ll have to rewatch them. He must have been so young in Hamlet! THAT King Arthur? The one with the leather pants and Lancelot narrating the story from his funeral pyre? I must have removed it from my consciousness…

    Oi!:

    Is it just me or does the viewers guide (houses, map…) for GOT not work anymore?

    Probably they realized they left the Blackfish out and are working to correct the mistake. *hrmpf*

    Ser Skwisgaard:

    Did anyone catch the shape the flames make at about 0:05:10?Look closely!For a few frames, the flames make the outline with the darkness forming a shape ofleaping trout! and because it’s in the darkness, it’s a BLACKFISH!IT’S A MESSAGE TO ALL THE TRUE FANS! We are saved!

    [now removing tongue from cheek]

    But… but… I saw it too! :DDDDDDDD

  141. Jennyn
    Posted September 27, 2011 at 3:27 am | Permalink

    dizzy_34: Ha! Forgive my Texism. We tie bells to the lead cow in the heard and call it a bell cow (yes cowbells have a function other than a Will Ferrel prop). We also ride horses to school and all wear cowboy hats and boots too.;)

    Haha! Not just a “Texism”. In Bavaria, you get bell cows too. They’re called “Leitkuh” (leading cow) and get decorated with floral wreaths when they lead the herd to and from the mountain pastures. People dress in lederhosen and dirndl and toss flowers in her path. In German, the person who functions as the motor/figurehead of a project is called “Zugpferd” however, which translates as draft horse. Forgive me for skipping over the part where no one asked. Factoid dump concluded. ;o)

  142. Jennyn
    Posted September 27, 2011 at 5:27 am | Permalink

    dizzy_34:
    Epic, the bomb,

    I always find myself reading about two or three comments on IMDB, Facebook or Youtube and then I catch myself and think “Oh wait, these people are morons”. Now you all, faithful WiC commenters, I hold to a higher standard. :)

    Hear hear! Will do my baddest. ;o)

  143. tazer
    Posted September 27, 2011 at 6:16 am | Permalink

    I laugh at all this youtube/facebook hatered, it’s just ridiculous.
    The web is wide and full of whiners :)

  144. Impi
    Posted September 27, 2011 at 8:23 am | Permalink

    Woot for Game of Thrones reference by Nathan Fillion on last night’s Castle!

  145. Winterdark
    Posted September 27, 2011 at 9:39 am | Permalink

    Idaan,

    Thank you for your long, explicit and very interesting post. I can only imagine how much time it must’ve taken you to find the words. I watched Fugitive Pieces last night, perhaps not the best film but Dillane was absolutely terrific in it. His performance was truly heartbraking. Though I still think he’s a bit too soft to play someone like Stannis I am warming up to the idea and I do see what you mean. I’ll watch John Adams in the foreseeable future but I am a bit put off by the idea of having to watch 7 x 90 mins since I useually don’t have that much spare time. Also Dillane isn’t in the first film but I doubt I can just start with the second one. Anyway I’ll get round to it. It seems like a great series in any case.

  146. LMMacN
    Posted September 27, 2011 at 10:27 am | Permalink

    In John Adams, Jefferson starts to lose his damned mind because he feels so strongly about America’s obligation to the French during their revolution. In delivering this, Dillane is not a yeller, he’s a terrifying seether. “Unyielding” is how Stannis is described. I think the tone is perfect. The simple statement in the teaser sent chills up my spine, because I knew it was Dillane immediately, and I think he’s going to be stunning.

  147. The DarkStar
    Posted September 27, 2011 at 11:11 am | Permalink

    These 15 seconds are getting me excited already!
    Next season is going to be the greatest season of anything ever.

  148. OhDanyBoy
    Posted September 27, 2011 at 11:27 am | Permalink

    The DarkStar,

    Until, of course, the season after!

  149. Epic the shtupendous
    Posted September 27, 2011 at 1:35 pm | Permalink

    Joshua Taylor: And to further the Dillane argument here’s a quote from Wastrel that sums his performance up perfectly:

    I’ll also add: if anyone hasn’t seen John Adams, rest assured that Dillane is brilliant as Jefferson. He manages to be repellently cold, playfully bored by the world, frighteningly passionate (almost psychopathic at points), slightly paranoid, elegantly polite, sombrely tragic, deeply and charmingly shy, overwhelmingly arrogant, childishly enthusiastic, suavely oily, honestly sincere, and somehow wholly sympathetic. It’s an enthralling performance.

    I don’t disagree he was all these things described though I would not sum it up as brilliant. No, I would sum it up as effeminate. Or, a tapestry of character facets taken raw from ny times bestselling biography. It was interesting, I guess, if you want to parse and analyze the character with a fine toothed comb, not really my thing. I don’t think Dilettante is a bad actor. I was just pointing out that Wilkinson is a very good actor.

    I don’t think depressing shows and books are ‘bad’. I am just saying they are depressing. It’s not debatable.

    Speaking of New York Times bestsellers, GRRM’s books are finally out of the top 15 NY Times bestseller list. I wouldn’t be surprised if they’ll crowd back up to the top when s2 starts.

  150. dizzy_34
    Posted September 27, 2011 at 2:44 pm | Permalink

    Jennyn,

    Well I’m hoping HBO considers Game of Thrones a Leitkuh. And if they guarantee 10 seasons, we should all dress in lederhosen, dirndl and toss flowers around. :)

  151. LMMacN
    Posted September 27, 2011 at 2:46 pm | Permalink

    Epic the shtupendous,

    “effeminate” ? Are you talking about the description of Dillane’s performance, (rude and inaccurate), or the performance itself, (even ruder and more inaccurate)?

    I thought he was GENIUS as Jefferson, and think that description was quite apt, so I’m partial.

  152. LMMacN
    Posted September 27, 2011 at 2:55 pm | Permalink

    Who began calling Dillane “Dilettante” on this thread? I can’t keep track and don’t care to. Whoever they are, I imagine they will be eating humble pidgeon pie come April, that’s for damned sure.

  153. Joshua Taylor
    Posted September 27, 2011 at 6:27 pm | Permalink

    Blackfish Blues,

    Hey friend,

    First of all, I feel your pain and agree that Peter Mullan would be an awesome Blackfish. I dreamed Gary Oldman was cast last night..but then I realized it was a stupid dream. I think Danny Huston could rock Ser Bryden though.

    King Arthur is my get drunk with the boys movie. It has Mads Mikkelsen(“I aim for the middle”), Ray Stevenson and Ray Winstone, Stellan Skarsgaard, Joel Edgerton (who is finally getting his career noticed) Ioan Gruffud and well with the exception of Clive and Keira they are all total badasses so regardless of the quality of the film (ennhhhh) I enjoy every bombastic second of it. It’s an OTT dumb fun movie. And Dillane’s Merlin is totally watchable, I wanted more of him!

    Anyhoo, that’s my reply.

    Toodles!

  154. Joshua Taylor
    Posted September 27, 2011 at 8:35 pm | Permalink

    Epic the shtupendous,

    Unfortunately I love to parse, analyze and go through a film with a fine tooth comb! It’s what I live for. I get entertained by any film as long as their well-made regardless of how the subject matter might affect me. I think No Country for Old Men is amazing, I’ve seen it many times. Just my cup of tea. I like to slum and watch junk like King Arthur and Conan the Barbarian or Terminator 2. I can even appreciate them on a formal level as well. So regarding the quality of DILLANE’s performance we’ll just have to agree to disagree. To me it is a nuanced, subtle performance that slowly burns a hole into the screen (sorry I don’t see effeminate’ in there at all, quite the opposite actually, but I can see how someone would think so) while Wilkinson (an actor in DILLANE’s caliber) is full of gusto and eccentric and plays that well but he didn’t have the range of DILLANE IMHO.

    If I come off as arrogant I apologize but you mentioning its not your ‘thing’ probably means that there will be many cases where I won’t see eye to eye with you(or anybody) about films. It’s my gift…and my curse.

  155. Epic Wunderscheisse
    Posted September 27, 2011 at 9:16 pm | Permalink

    Joshua Taylor: I think No Country for Old Men is amazing, I’ve seen it many times. Just my cup of tea.

    What does that have to do with John Adams? No Country was a beautifully polished perfect movie. Do you mean to point out Cormac McCarthy is depressing? His books are not depressing though, because they are really well written.

  156. Dale Rippke
    Posted September 27, 2011 at 9:41 pm | Permalink

    Cormac McCarthy”s books aren’t depressing? I thought The Road was one of the most bleak, depressing pieces of prose I’ve ever come across. Beautifully written, without a doubt, but it depressed me for days after I finished it…

  157. Epic Wunderscheisse
    Posted September 27, 2011 at 9:59 pm | Permalink

    Dale Rippke,

    Wow, he wrote that piece of prose called The Road? I thought it was humorous but in bad taste, actually. There is a subtle type of absurdity there, isn’t there? And it brought up my issues with communicating with dad, didn’t it? Couldn’t get through it, could I?

  158. LMMacN
    Posted September 27, 2011 at 10:33 pm | Permalink

    IF ANYONE HAS A PROBLEM WITH “DEPRESSING” PIECES OF WORK IN ANY MEDIUM, WHY IN THE GODS’ NAMES ARE YOU WATCHING ‘GAME OF THRONES’??? THE WOULD-BE PROTAGONIST OF THE WHOLE SAGA LOSES HIS HEAD IN THE FIRST BOOK!

  159. LMMacN
    Posted September 27, 2011 at 10:37 pm | Permalink

    Epic Wunderscheisse,

    Sarcasm is the lowest form of wit, dear.

  160. the goat
    Posted September 27, 2011 at 10:59 pm | Permalink

    LMMacN:
    Epic Wunderscheisse,

    Sarcasm is the lowest form of wit, dear.

    Nope, its been replaced by the use of multiple usernames, all of which are relentlessly retarded.

  161. LMMacN
    Posted September 27, 2011 at 11:24 pm | Permalink

    the goat,

    HA! :)

  162. Joshua Taylor
    Posted September 28, 2011 at 12:44 am | Permalink

    Epic Wunderscheisse,

    I meant to point out that the other Epic (I can’t keep track of you guys anymore) said that John Adams was a depressing historical biopic. What I got from that is that was one of the reasons why he didn’t like it. He said it wasn’t great because it was too much like a biopic and it was depressing. I merely pointed out IN MY OPINION depressing movies can be enjoyable as well. My first example was going to be Schindler’s List but I said No Country for Old Men instead. My opinion again was that I don’t let tone or subject matter affect the way I respond to a film from a critical standpoint.

  163. the goat
    Posted September 28, 2011 at 1:56 am | Permalink

    Joshua Taylor: I meant to point out that the other Epic (I can’t keep track of you guys anymore)

    Really?

    Unless “Joshua Taylor” is just another one of your trolls. In which case, you’ve spent way too much time on this.

  164. Joshua Taylor
    Posted September 28, 2011 at 2:26 am | Permalink

    the goat,

    What the hell man? What is your frigging problem you’ve been harrassing me on every post!

    *calms down*

    Listen to me clearly please! I am no troll! I made a stupid comment earlier about my wishful thinking regarding who was to play Ygritte and if you even bothered to notice I responded to your comment with an apology! And my comments about the Epics was droll and in good humour.

    If I have offended anyone I apologize. I am no troll. I hate trolls. And I go by two different names because I was Josh Atreides, with a work address as my IP. That was before but I got laid off and now have to stay with my facebook name. Ask anyone who i’ve talked to on this site, any of the Epics, Josh Parker, Andrea…I am not a troll.

    I can’t believe this!

    Now can we bury the hatchet please?

  165. Pepi
    Posted September 28, 2011 at 3:12 am | Permalink

    About Dillane’s Thomas Jefferson performance. It was genius. In fact; while reading book 5, I always imagined Roose Bolton to look and act pretty much like that same Jefferson. But that being said, I’m sure he’ll be as awesome in the role of lord Stannis. Nina Gold sure knew(and knows) what she is doing. :)

  166. Blackfish Blues
    Posted September 28, 2011 at 4:06 am | Permalink

    Joshua Taylor:

    Blackfish Blues,
    Hey friend,

    First of all, I feel your pain and agree that Peter Mullan would be an awesome Blackfish. I dreamed Gary Oldman was cast last night..but then I realized it was a stupid dream. I think Danny Huston could rock Ser Bryden though.

    Eh, Gary. Not my first choice, but he’s awesome in everything he does, so it would be a smash. I had a similar dream a few nights ago, they had cast an unknown but badass actor as the Blackfish.

    HBO, are you reading this? People are seeing the goddamn Blackfish IN THEIR DREAMS! Soon he’ll appear on burned toast. It’s a sign! Do something!

    You’re not the first to suggests Danny Huston (or maybe it was you the other time too, LOL). I’ve finally placed him, he’s Stryker in Wolverine! A bit young, but same as before, any good actor is welcome.

    (Or even just a gold-and-jet trout pin forgotten somewhere, like the Tully pin Bran plays with during his lesson in S1. Please, please.)

    King Arthur is my get drunk with the boys movie.It has Mads Mikkelsen(“I aim for the middle”), Ray Stevenson and Ray Winstone, Stellan Skarsgaard,Joel Edgerton (who is finally getting his career noticed) Ioan Gruffud and well with the exception of Clive and Keira they are all total badasses so regardless of the quality of the film (ennhhhh) I enjoy every bombastic second of it. It’s an OTT dumb fun movie. And Dillane’s Merlin is totally watchable, I wanted more of him!

    Anyhoo, that’s my reply.

    Toodles!

    Ah yes, I had forgotten the “other” lads, LOL. My fave part too. I like ensemble scenes with good actors, and they interacted really well. OK, I’ll try to watch it again. :D

    OT, but I can confirm to people you were the former Josh Atreides and not a troll. I remember the post where you said you had changed name, because I’m familiar with the Atreides name! (only from the David Lynch movie, actually).

  167. the goat
    Posted September 28, 2011 at 4:43 am | Permalink

    Joshua Taylor,

    Relax.

    I’ve never heard of Josh Atreides, I was implying you are one of “Epics” trolls. Sorry if I missed your sarcasm, but it seemed plausible. At any rate, just stop feeding him. He’s arrogant and condescending, but most of all, an attention whore. Without that, he’ll eventually move back to the Gossip Girl/Buffy fanfic boards from whence he came.

    And for the record, hatchet buried.

  168. Pete Trip
    Posted September 28, 2011 at 5:58 am | Permalink

    So I just got back from China and they played episode 11 season 2 on Sunday september 25th… I fell asleep watching it was definetly a new one… now I am pissed that it’s not out in america because now I have to wait until… spring 2012? We should be seeing it before them. :o(

  169. John
    Posted September 28, 2011 at 7:35 am | Permalink

    Pete Trip:
    So I just got back from China and they played episode 11 season 2 on Sunday september 25th… I fell asleep watching it was definetly a new one… now I am pissed that it’s not out in america because now I have to wait until… spring 2012? We should be seeing it before them. :o(

    Yea , like someone is stupid enough to believe that .

  170. Joshua Taylor
    Posted September 28, 2011 at 9:08 am | Permalink

    the goat,

    Alright then…well let’s continue the unPC aboriginal metaphor and smoke the peace pipe. As for what you said: Gossip Girl I can understand, but the Buffster deserves better than that troll! As for the name Josh Atreides few have heard it…it was a brief but halcyon era. By the by is Rob Volz your alter ego? Are you a mild mannered reporter by day and a Trollhunter by night?

    Blackfish Blues,
    My reference for Huston mostly comes from his performances in The Constant Gardener and The Proposition (amazing movie) which by the way…how cool would it be if Nick Cave (who wrote the Proposition screenplay) sung the Rains of Castamere?
    I agree that an unknown actor would be best for the BF but Edmure Tully, I have just the man. Stephen Waddington who played Duncan in The Last of the Mohicans and Lord Buckingham in the first two episodes of the Tudors. He would be a perfect Edmure and is very near Michelle Fairley’s age.

    As for Lynch’s Dune. It was my first exposure to that universe. But the novel is fantastic, I can see the backbone of ASOIAF in Herbert’s work. The first three books are all you need to read: Dune, Dune Messiah and Children of Dune. A fantastic story that once read will make you either love Lynch’s depiction more or hate it completely. The 2000 Sci-Fi miniseries is watchable, and has more of the novel in it, but its very low budget so prepare for that. Its followed by Children of Dune in 2003 which combines books 2 and 3. Much bigger budget! I adore that minseries, the music, the sets, the script and the majority of the acting (love Julie Cox’s Irulan, she was my pick for Melisandre) is great. Worth a look. I believe Martin said that Dune did inspire him as well. You can see the similiarities. In fact instead of the proposed Dune movie coming out in a few years I would rather see an HBO miniseries in lieu of Peter Jacksonish movie trilogy.

    Pepi,
    I thought so too! Dillane could have been amazing as Bolton. I’m sure his Stannis will be good though.

    Yay to GoT shoutout on Castle! Thanks Nathan. Maybe you can play a wedding guest, or Moonboy or some poor sap in the Meereen fighting pits.

  171. Epic Wunderscheisse
    Posted September 28, 2011 at 10:03 am | Permalink

    the goat: an attention whore

    Who doesn’t like some attention now and then? But by using the word whore, ser you’ve gone too far. I am a very respectable attention getter.

    But seriously, guys.. it’s a relevant discussion and a tangent. It could be interesting if you don’t make it personal. It’s not my fault you guys all have the same opinion that goes against mine.

  172. Epic Wunderscheisse
    Posted September 28, 2011 at 10:12 am | Permalink

    LMMacN,

    I’m not sure what you are talking about. Did you read the Road? It is absurd. Hemingway’s Mad Max. Dead people everywhere and father-son issues. I didn’t finish it, did I? Did I? No. Sarcasm is the lowest form of wit: catfish is a bottom feeder but it’s still tasty fried.

  173. Blackfish Blues
    Posted September 28, 2011 at 10:17 am | Permalink

    Joshua Taylor:

    Yay to GoT shoutout on Castle! Thanks Nathan. Maybe you can play a wedding guest, or Moonboy or some poor sap in the Meereen fighting pits.

    Or Edmure Tully. “whistles”

  174. Blackfish Blues
    Posted September 28, 2011 at 10:31 am | Permalink

    Joshua Taylor,
    forgot half of the post. Am trout, press wrong buttons. Didn’t mean to dismiss your Edmure. Looked up Waddington and he’s so very Edmurish! If I had time I’d build a gallery of Edmures beside my Blackfishies.

  175. Joshua Taylor
    Posted September 28, 2011 at 11:14 am | Permalink

    Epic Wunderscheisse,

    That’s all well and good. But I have question for you: do you speak the way you do to us when your hanging with your friends?

    There’s two answers that can come out this inquiry:
    A) Probably not cuz you wouldn’t have many friends or
    B) You and your friends are like-minded.

    It’s okay to have a different opinion on things (the world would be boring if we didn’t) but don’t act like yours is the only perspective that matters. I.E the Road is not absurd: YOU think its absurd. If I was sitting down at a table with you and you forcefully dismissed my opinion like that I would get up and leave.
    Here’s an ideal exchange: Well I think its great. Here’s why. Now you tell me why. Oh I see where your coming from in that regard, I’m not convinced though. But you can see where I’m coming from right? I guess we’ll have to agree to disagree.

    Like that.

    Not that it makes much difference but I will probably get another sarcastic riposte to this as well. Maybe I’m just hoping against hope that your not a troll.

    OT: More casting news please!!!!

  176. Jennyn
    Posted September 28, 2011 at 11:24 am | Permalink

    dizzy_34:
    Jennyn,

    Well I’m hoping HBO considers Game of Thrones a Leitkuh. And if they guarantee 10 seasons, we should all dress in lederhosen, dirndl and toss flowers around. :)

    It’s a date! ;o)

  177. Hear Me Roar
    Posted September 28, 2011 at 11:35 am | Permalink

    Jennyn,

    Wunderschön! :)

  178. LMMacN
    Posted September 28, 2011 at 11:51 am | Permalink

    Epic Wunderscheisse:
    LMMacN,

    I’m not sure what you are talking about. Did you read the Road? It is absurd. Hemingway’s Mad Max. Dead people everywhere and father-son issues. I didn’t finish it, did I? Did I? No. Sarcasm is the lowest form of wit: catfish is a bottom feeder but it’s still tasty fried.

    You’re freestyling like a schizophrenic now, no need to read your posts anymore.

  179. Epic the shtupendous
    Posted September 28, 2011 at 12:23 pm | Permalink

    Joshua Taylor: YOU think its absurd.

    Gosh, this is silly.

  180. Epic the shtupendous
    Posted September 28, 2011 at 12:33 pm | Permalink

    the goat: At any rate, just stop feeding him. He’s arrogant and condescending, but most of all, an attention whore. Without that, he’ll eventually move back to the Gossip Girl/Buffy fanfic boards from whence he came.

    flames!!!!

    well, at least i don’t come here drunk and spew out some slightly attention getting nonsense… much.

  181. Joshua Taylor
    Posted September 28, 2011 at 12:35 pm | Permalink

    Epic the shtupendous,

    I rest my case. I am happy to debate anyone on anything as long as its friendly and respectful.

    Good day.

  182. the goat
    Posted September 28, 2011 at 12:42 pm | Permalink

    Epic,

    You are a total whore. And the arrogance is fine, as well, Rh’llor knows there’s plenty to go around in these parts. Just don’t condescend to me, man, at least until you can somehow prove you’re actually better than what you’re decrying.

    Joshua Taylor,

    My cover’s blown.
    I’m also a Libra (yesterday was my birthday, sort of), and a registered Independent.

    Its not that I care about posting under my actual name, its just that I’ve been posting as the goat for two or three years here. Brand recognition. Same reason the show’s title won’t change to “Clash of Kings” or “Song of Ice and Fire.” Lately, however, the site will post my comments using my fb profile even though I’m not logged in. Whatever, blame Microsoft, or Zuckerberg, or the tooth fairy, there are more important things to worry about.
    Besides, if anyone ever wanna come find me:
    “You want me? Fuck you and come and find me. I’ll be waiting, with a gun and a pack of sandwiches. and nothing.”

    (I still adore today’s Thom, but I’ll always be partial to old Thom.)

  183. Epic the shtupendous
    Posted September 28, 2011 at 12:52 pm | Permalink

    the goat: Just don’t condescend to me, man

    ok, man. First thanks for calling me whore. It was at least a little nicer than Josh’s “debate” wondering if I have any friends. SEcond, when do I condescend? Not to stretch these useless messages that started with how Dillane isn’t as good as Wilkinson and that John Adam “in my opinion” is not great. Just tell me where I condescend.

  184. the goat
    Posted September 28, 2011 at 1:10 pm | Permalink

    Epic Wunderscheisse: Wow, he wrote that piece of prose called The Road? I thought it was humorous but in bad taste, actually. There is a subtle type of absurdity there, isn’t there? And it brought up my issues with communicating with dad, didn’t it? Couldn’t get through it, could I?

    All those things you said.

  185. andrea
    Posted September 28, 2011 at 1:26 pm | Permalink

    Joshua Taylor,

    Sorry, too late to testify that you’re not a troll (at all), though I must say neither is Epic for me.

  186. Epic The Balls
    Posted September 28, 2011 at 1:35 pm | Permalink

    the goat,

    I gotta agree that message was sarcasm undeserved if it was meant to be condescending to Dale. Still, that doesn’t mean everyone has to lower themselves to that level to make a point. Calling a nickname retarded and a person a whore? Come on goat, get back on track. I think the bottom line here is that there are regulars here who are extremely opinionated and I dare say stubborn.

  187. Joshua Taylor
    Posted September 28, 2011 at 1:37 pm | Permalink

    the goat,

    First: LOL. Secondly, I don’t know that quote. It sounds familiar though I just can’t put my finger on it.

    Epic the shtupendous,

    I’m not sure what you are talking about. Did you read the Road? It is absurd. Hemingway’s Mad Max. Dead people everywhere and father-son issues. I didn’t finish it, did I? Did I? No. Sarcasm is the lowest form of wit: catfish is a bottom feeder but it’s still tasty fried.

    Personally I chuckled at your metaphor on sarcasm. Well done.You seem to have a great rhythm when it comes to language. As for the rest of it, many could construe it as you mocking the previous poster. If you are simply having fun then that’s fine, enjoy yourself by all means but be prepared for the reality that people may not get your sense of humour and will object to it. So to reitterate, you have an undeniable grasp of wit, so try to let us in on the joke rather than being part of your punchline. I simply get the impression that you are hunting us less sardonically inclined peeps for sport.

    Also I didn’t say that you lacked friends all I said was I couldn’t imagine hanging out with someone who speaks so condescendingly to people all the time. It would make it difficult nay? At least in my perspective it would.

    Also Hemingway’s Mad Max: a great description for The Road. It doesn’t make it absurd in my opinion, it brings reality and-depending if you like Hemingway- eloquence to a predominatly maligned genre. Are you into sci-fi at all, or fantasy? And if not what do you like about ASOIAF? The fact that it is more grounded and realistic than the majority of the Descendants of Tolkien out there?

  188. the goat
    Posted September 28, 2011 at 1:40 pm | Permalink

    Also, “Don’t condescend to me, man, I’ll fucking kill you” is the best line and reading Brad Pitt has ever/will ever utter. Sorry if the comedy was lost on you.

    Regardless, despite your intelligence and insight, your schtick is tired. The show isn’t perfect; the books aren’t perfect; but they are both so much more than you (or I) deserve. If you don’t like it, GTFO. Otherwise, I’ll continue to make you wish you had.

  189. Joshua Taylor
    Posted September 28, 2011 at 1:58 pm | Permalink

    andrea,

    I don’t think he is either Andrea, I think he’s some sort of WiC Poster/Troll hybrid. Something new entirely. Something concocted down in Qyburn’s dungeons…

    And if he is a troll well what can we do? He is tame compared to the cave trolls and mountain trolls that lurk on IMDB and Aint it Cool News. I kind of see him as the Alan Rickman of Trolls. And everyone loves Alan Rickman! I can totally see AR having a username called “Epic”. What other name would he, could he choose?

    So hello Alan Rickman the Epic…whatever you may be!

  190. the goat
    Posted September 28, 2011 at 2:07 pm | Permalink

    Epic The Balls:
    the goat,

    Still, that doesn’t mean everyone has to lower themselves to that level to make a point.

    Yet you continue to lower yourself.

    We all occasionally submit negative posts, but yours are almost universally that way (or condescending, at best). Do you think they are helping the show?

  191. andrea
    Posted September 28, 2011 at 2:17 pm | Permalink

    I must thank you guys, this discussion about Wilkinson vs Dillane made me want to see (again) “44´inch chest”. Such a great cast! John Hurt, Dillane, Wilkinson, Mc Shane, Ray Winston, Melvil Poupaud…

  192. Epic The Balls
    Posted September 28, 2011 at 2:23 pm | Permalink

    the goat: your schtick is tired

    Clearly we should take better notes during brad pitt movies and aspire to amuse you better in the future. ;)

    Joshua Taylor, hopefully you have proven that you are not a troll and that you fight trolls to everyone at this point. Maybe your next debate won’t attack a person’s character. What I would have done in your shoes is dissect what ‘depressing’ means to defend your show instead of bringing up whatever depressing movies you are convinced are great.

    Do you guys know these boards are moderated? Instead of calling someone troll, you can email a mod about it. You’d be amazed how much nicer this place will get when ppl stop calling each other trolls all the time. Keep it positive.

  193. andrea
    Posted September 28, 2011 at 2:44 pm | Permalink

    Joshua Taylor,

    The truth is only intuitively I understand the use of the word troll here…and to be honest, I don’t like it that much. When someone doesn´t like something is likely to be quite emphatic about it. I understand that it may become a mess if all opinions are strong, but doesn´t bother me.

    EPIC:
    I had not seen your post, it was a strange coincidence (about using the word troll). Let everyone know that I am not your lawyer (not that you need one of course).

  194. Epic The Balls
    Posted September 28, 2011 at 3:27 pm | Permalink

    andrea,

    But you know, it makes me think about how much faith people have to one another. Why do we have to reach such negative judgments about people we only know from a few anonymous letters? Or maybe this is only a reminder to use more smiley faces and other symbols that indicate friendly intentions when writing among a pack of wolves hungry for casting news.

    Either way, if you are doing pro bono work, I’ll take you as my lawyer any day. :) :) :)

  195. andrea
    Posted September 28, 2011 at 3:49 pm | Permalink

    Epic The Balls: :) :) :)

    oh no, don´t use smiley faces with me!!! it´s scary!!!

  196. Epic The Balls
    Posted September 28, 2011 at 3:56 pm | Permalink

    andrea,

    haha.. yeah, they are kind of creepy.


    :)

  197. Joshua Taylor
    Posted September 28, 2011 at 4:09 pm | Permalink

    Epic The Balls,

    You seem to enjoy your online persona. Therefore I will take your more sarcastic, acidic comments with a grain of salt. I feel that you are in the mindfame that you are detached from any emotional reaction to your posts due to your sense of detachement created by the anonymity of the internet. Unfortunately in this case, there are people (like me) who find these chats almost the equivalent of face to a face conversation. They can be that familiar to us. Sad? Yes, but there it is.

    And I automatically concede that my great and depressing argument (in the matter of tone and of context) was rather weak. Perhaps I shouldn’t put together a grand literary thesis at 1′o clock in the morning. But despite this, you have pointed out these faults of mine in your last two posts. Yet you have not acknowledged my opinion of your wordsmithery and vernacular agility of which I greatly esteem. Not very fair huh? It’s almost like your skimming my posts.

    Now if you can simply acknowledge my points on the niceties of message board behaviour, particularly the recognition that some people don’t like being talked down to, in an objective matter instead of making another snide comment than I promise to the Seven that I will never again festoon you with the mantle of ‘troll’.

  198. Joshua Taylor
    Posted September 28, 2011 at 4:18 pm | Permalink

    andrea,

    I don’t mind negative opinions at all. But I don’t like people who think that their own opinion is the only one that holds value and that they use sarcasm and snide comments in response to objective arguments to the contrary. To me it says that person does not want to open a dialogue with anyone, and that they are only here to agressively state their own opinions.

  199. the goat
    Posted September 28, 2011 at 4:20 pm | Permalink

    Pretty sure True Romance is not considered a Brad Pitt movie.

    Epic The Balls,

    This is my point. You’re not a troll, since you obviously care about the subject matter, and have interesting thoughts regarding it. Despite that, you (are compelled to?) act like a troll, over and over and over.

    The lack of direwolves hurt us all (how did we fail to ever start a Lack of Direwolves support group, btw?), but that doesn’t equate with unbridled trolling. “Let’s keep it positive,” indeed. I’ll hold you to that.

    To that end, here’s a pic of the lovely young woman I sat next to between sets in the beer garden at Coachella on Saturday, the day before the first episode aired. Its a shitty camera pic, but I swear to Rh’llor her hair was silver as a Targaryen (she even had the braid):
    http://i51.tinypic.com/2uz5p40.jpg

  200. Epic the shtupendous
    Posted September 28, 2011 at 4:33 pm | Permalink

    Joshua Taylor,

    Yes, I didn’t really respond to your intentionally nicer comments. And I did harbor on the negative. Sorry for that; I realized this earlier actually and I felt bad. I don’t really want to chat about myself but I just want to let you know that this is not just an online personae, that I am just as flawed and human as the next person. So when you say I am all sarcasm and acid, I’m taken a little aback. I think that once people have someone “figured out”, that person will never stop being that person. But anyway, but anyway.

  201. Joshua Taylor
    Posted September 28, 2011 at 4:42 pm | Permalink

    Epic the shtupendous,

    Thank you I appreciate that. And when I say sarcastic and acidic I don’t mean you are always like that in a negative sense. You come off to me as this world weary Alan Rickman like character with a biting wit. It’s a great power you have friend…use it wisely.

    Now if only Israel and Palestine could follow our example!

  202. Epic The Balls
    Posted September 28, 2011 at 4:45 pm | Permalink
  203. Epic The Balls
    Posted September 28, 2011 at 4:49 pm | Permalink

    Joshua Taylor: Now if only Israel and Palestine could follow our example!

    Whoa… Synchronicity

  204. Chris
    Posted September 28, 2011 at 4:54 pm | Permalink

    This thread is like a weird party that you’re glad you weren’t invited to.

  205. Joshua Taylor
    Posted September 28, 2011 at 5:04 pm | Permalink

    Epic The Balls,

    Amazing!

  206. Joshua Taylor
    Posted September 28, 2011 at 5:08 pm | Permalink

    Chris,

    You know you want in! After our little row we’re enjoying our late-party orgy! It’s the 60s all over again!

    This thread is in fact a gleaming example as to why we need more casting news!

  207. Epic the shtupendous
    Posted September 28, 2011 at 5:41 pm | Permalink

    Joshua Taylor: weary Alan Rickman

    Ah, ah, you shameless flatterer!

  208. the goat
    Posted September 28, 2011 at 5:53 pm | Permalink

    Epic The Balls:
    the goat,

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pWdd6_ZxX8c

    peace in the middle east!

    “I fuckin hate the Eagles, man.”

    Watch out for the Sheriff of Malibu, real reactionary.

    Anyway, have fun kids.

  209. the goat
    Posted September 28, 2011 at 5:55 pm | Permalink

    Joshua Taylor:
    Chris,

    This thread is in fact a gleaming example as to why we need more casting news!

    qft

  210. adam
    Posted September 30, 2011 at 7:18 am | Permalink

    jeesh, give it a REST you guys, plz…. that being SAID- this show/ series of books rules, and i can’t wait for season 2, or to start book 5, waiting till it comes to the library though… 1st 4 books were awesome:)

  211. Nadir
    Posted September 30, 2011 at 1:50 pm | Permalink

    Assunta,

    Referring to something as a ‘bell cow’ means that it is the foremost member of whatever subcategory it is a part of, the subcategory’s ‘designated hitter’ if you will (in this instance, the subcategory would be ‘Current HBO Shows’.)

    However, I was curious about the origin of the term, so I looked it up and got this from Dictionary.com:

    “Bell Cow (n.): a cow, especially the lead cow of a herd, having a bell attached to a collar around its neck so that the herd can be located easily.”

    Yay for etymology!

  212. dizzy_34
    Posted September 30, 2011 at 2:42 pm | Permalink

    the goat,

    Epic the shtupendous,

    Joshua Taylor,

    And just when I was commenting about holding you fellas to a higher standard…
    :) :) :)

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