Who the heck is Oona Chaplin playing?

I don’t know what to make of it, but I’ll say this: Oona Chaplin is great in “The Hour” and I’ll be glad to see her in whatever role she’s going to end up playing :)

Interesting, as several news sites said confidently a week or two after the ‘Jeyne’ thing that she was definitely playing ‘Jeyne Westerling’.

My guess at this time would be that she actually is playing Jeyne Westerling, but a different version of Jeyne with a foreign accent from her mother who has run away from home or perhaps been captured by Robb’s forces during the battle and is lying about her name (perhaps Westerling forces joined the muster at Oxcross and Jeyne was sent along in the hope of attracting marriage interest from the assembled nobles). Perhaps Robb feels he can have a tryst with her with no problem, believing she is a commoner, but when she is revealed to be a noblewoman, decides he must marry her to satisfy honour. This would add meat to what is a very bare storyline in the books.

What the flying ffffff?

My theory: I’m thinking they’re just making it as if Robb doesn’t know who she is when they meet, and when he does find out that she’s noble, he feels obligated to marry her. And wants to, ’cause hey, she’s gorgeous. This makes Robb a little less to blame for his downfall, because he didn’t know she was a noble woman when hooking up with her.

Jeyne Westerling sounds about right.
While her actual role in the story is huge, hers would really be only a very small “part,” with a limited number of lines and scenes, unless it were substantially buffed up. In the books, Jeyne is almost a piece of furniture, a distant character seen from Catelyn’s perspective whose presence messes things up disastrously but who has very little personality of her own. It makes sense that the producers would try to make her relationship with Robb more interesting and complicated.

Actually, this aint too far-fetched. The Westerlings have some recent ancestors from Essos. Maggy-the-Frog is Jeyne’s great-grandmother, and she could quite possibly have lived in Volantis at some time before emigrating to Westeros and Lannisport.

Jeyne is then using her family’s history to conjure up a plausible history to Robb, methinks.

Yeah, I agree with Adam Whitehead. If anything they can say she got her foreign looks from her grandma Maggy the Frog.

She’s much hotter than Jeyne Westerling was described, but then again, this is television.

burth,

I agree. I was really impressed with Chaplin in the last “The Hour” episode I saw her in (episode 5). I don’t mind them mixing things up when it comes to the Robb/Jeyne storyline so long as it ends up in the same place. On the other hand, if they change up the Reeds storyline and replace them with Osha, I’ll be pissed.

I’m with those who believe she will lie about who she is and that’s why Robb becomes entangled with her. Or rather that’s what I hope. It’ll make this storyline more interesting and, honestly, more realistic.

I still think that the Reeds could easily be merged into one character for the show. Save money, time, and make them a teenager.

I am pretty sure Meera is 16 in the books. If you age her up along all the other young characters, that would make her 18-20 in the series.

Jojen is several years older in the books than Bran. He could be played by someone 15-16 year old in the series easily.

Ninepenny,

I don’t think there’s anything hard to believe about the Robb/Jeyne thing as written. What would be much harder to believe is Jeyne seeking Robb out in a war zone and giving out false names and claiming to be from Volantis. The only way that makes sense is that it’s part of some greater plan. What plan would that be? Going into new conspiracy theories is not needed there are plenty in the book already.

wow. that’s intruguing.
I love the free cities :)

i’m kinda happy she’s not playing JW, because doesn’t look like JW, IMO. I’m sorry for her though – she’s not getting to kiss Richard Madden after all

Who Is Jacopo Belbo?:
a set up scene thatwent heavy on the gore for no apparent reason that defies the shows own internal logic

how did the prologue defy the show’s internal logic?

Seems to me that WiC nailed it: we know that D&D want TRW (which basically means they need Jeyne or a Jeyne equivalent), but we also know that they’re in an enormous horses-vs-stonehenge crunch to keep the cast of characters under control, and so they’re transforming the character of Jeyne and essentially rolling her entire family up into the one character. She will wind up being duplicitous and not who she initially appears to be, which is very likely the reason for the coyness on the part of the producers as to her last name and general identity.

If true this would to me constitute a legitimate effort to stay true to the core of the story while staying within their budget limits. The details of House Westerling aren’t that important and even Jeyne is a tertiary character at best.

not to gush but DaMn…

clemintine,

clemintine:
The first is that she isn’t even a Westrosi noblewoman. A merchant’s daughter or a foreign noblewoman. There’s even less political gain there than with a Jeyne Westerling, who at least was part of a nobel and old line, small as it was, which would make his downfall even more tragic.

Well, that’s already true, after a fashion. The Spicers (Jeyne Westerling’s mother’s family) are an upjumped progeny of a spice merchant and “Maggy the Frog” who was a foreign beauty, and her status was close to nobility. I like the idea that Jeyne lies to Robb about her noble status in fear of being taken hostage.

Who Is Jacopo Belbo?,

Who Is Jacopo Belbo?:
it was fun while it lasted.i expect season two to be a complete departure from the book and not for the better.many of the changes last season were neutral at best and often worse than the story from the book.

Yeah, which is exactly why they’re casting completely minor characters that a casual viewer won’t probably even notice and only fans will appreciate. Hell, in the five years after reading AFFC I had problems remembering who Tickler or Black Lorren were.

I am certaintly all for changing/adding characters and events for the show as long as the general plot line is followed. I am rather excited to see the changes actually! Thinning down the amount of characters is absolutely neccessary for the transition to television. Also, expanding some of the major characters stories will flesh them out and give us a chance to see things that we didn’t in the books.

*jumping up and down in excitment*

Delta1212,

Too bad it was actually real.

grandmaFunk,

because once you dismember the corpses of the wildings they A. make crappy wights being like dismembered and all and B. it doesn’t make any sense why you would go back and “make sure” the wildings were dead and how they died if they were slaughtered and dismembered not to mention you wouldn’t have the guy who witnessed it initially come back and find them missing and him simply go “hmm, well that is a bit odd”.

the whole “we need to go make sure they are dead and find out what exactly happened” only makes sense if, like in the book, the wildings are found simply dead as they last were … frozen in place … because then did the scout really see them dead, how long did he really see if they were dead, could he have been mistaken … etc. them being slaughtered, dismembered and put into an occult pattern was just idiotic.

and for all of you knee jerk, slam any criticism no matter how valid fan bois can suck it … i’ve been here longer than almost all of you and while enjoyed the show overall there was a lot of stuff that sucked in the show …. very little to argue with on that point. most of what sucked had to do with changes that did not improve the story for tv medium but were just changes that did nothing or usually made the story worse (the hound’s story coming from littlefinger?). the other major source of stupid-suckassitude was from the art direction in many cases. no place with heavy snowfall has flat roofs. when they used “fake” dead animals and people they looked terrible, the one time they used a real dead dear it looked good. the Dothraki were a zeus damned mess of titanic proportions. a box of snakes as a gift? a hodgepodge inconsistent mix of actor races? a terrible mish-mash of pantomime cultural cliches? a horse riding princess in a skirt (and a burlap hatler?). a culture that is never shown for its positive qualities that in the book make Dany fall in love with the people and want to be their Khalessi? a drunk one armed monkey could have done a better job with the Dothraki than this show did.

and the books are only getting more and more convoluted and crappy themselves so it is hardly a surprise that the moderate incompetence of the TV show crew added to the growing unintelligbility of the story line from the books is only going to make the show get inevitably worse and worse.

not that any of your more kool-aid drinking fanbots would ever actually admit to any shortcomings in the show … that is how mindless droogies roll i guess.

Who Is Jacopo Belbo?,

Okay, are you done trolling or you just want to keep making an ass out of yourself ?

John,

Actually Who Is (John Galt) has been around for a long time, which is why his statements are hitting much harder than if a new person would have decided to declare these things. At least to me.

purplejilly,

That does kind of make sense, as if HBO is keeping the last name to prevent spoiling the story. It would have worked better if we didn’t already assume she was JW weeks ago.

According to GRRM, the Battle of the Blackwater (an episode which he himself is writing) will be episode #9 this season. If so, that means the Red Wedding won’t take place until season 3. So, if she really is playing Jeyne Westerling, it could be to set up the story between her and Robb, since we aren’t introduced to her character in the books until she’s seen through Cat’s eyes when Robb brings her back to Riverrun. The producers probably want to keep Robb on camera this season, rather than have other characters merely talk of his exploits, like they do in the books. So in that case, they’re going to need a scene or two in which Jeyne first meets Robb, and provide context as to why Robb would’ve broken his vows with the Freys.

Who Is Jacopo Belbo?,

During the airing of season 1, I had severely bad reaction to the show. Since then, the show is more like a phenomenon to me. Eventually I learned to laugh at how bad the show is, and tolerate (and, I guess, respect) the many many people (some actually smart people) who think the show is amazing. I stopped trying to convince anyone of the truth since the truth eventually unwraps itself to those who are looking. I was so embroiled with the show that I in a strange way love it still. Especially once I lowered the bar from ground-breaking cod-medieval (to quote our new friend Will Self) drama based on a cool book down to: poorly written and inadequately paced late night fantasy tv-ma (except the episode written by GRRM: For some reason, I loved that episode). That’s all I gotta to say about that. tv is like a box of chocolates.

Who Is Jacopo Belbo?,

silly troll

Adam Whitehead,

I´m no good to speculate so I’m glad you have thought about it and I only have to read and agree with you.

And thanks to you too:

Ninepenny: it’d also explain why they are so coy about the character’s full name.

Not to think, not to work … you make my life much easier.

I don’t like this at all. If they wanted Oona Chaplin so bad they should’ve made her a Martell.(I assume they appear this season) Jeyne Wetserling is perfect the way she is in the books. They shouldn’t turn her into someone else. I don’t get why D&D want to make up so much stuff this season. First Alton Lannister, then Kovarro and now Jeyne but not Westerling? Add to that, that they’ve added the Jaime storyline from ASoS and show some of Robb we didn’t see in the book. There are allready more characters and scenes in ACoK than you can ever put in 10 episodes. Why add more of your own? Doesn’t that make it even harder?

Ser_G:
Seems to me that WiC nailed it: we know that D&D want TRW (which basically means they need Jeyne or a Jeyne equivalent), but we also know that they’re in an enormous horses-vs-stonehenge crunch to keep the cast of characters under control, and so they’re transforming the character of Jeyne and essentially rolling her entire family up into the one character.She will wind up being duplicitous and not who she initially appears to be, which is very likely the reason for the coyness on the part of the producers as to her last name and general identity.

If true this would to me constitute a legitimate effort to stay true to the core of the story while staying within their budget limits.The details of House Westerling aren’t that important and even Jeyne is a tertiary character at best.

No no no no no, please no! That would be awful imho.

RW wouldn’t be the same if they cut down the evil intrigues on one single person. Moreover, this person then being Jeyne? No please, just no.

Among other things, RW is so awfully dramatic because there is a young and naive couple, hoping to maintain a piece of honest romance throughout a more than nasty game of thrones, which is full of policy, tactics, responsibility and compromises.
Admittedly, we don’t know exactly if or to which extend Jeyne was involved in her family’s intrigues but to me she was definitely rather innocent and honestly in love with Robb. She’s been as much affected by the whole event as Robb was. A whole couple was betrayed, not only Robb. Jeyne’s own family killed her husband; her own family betrayed her. This is a completely different face of the Westerling family than if it was the case with Jeyne being involved. RW destroyed and punished the naive hopes of a young couple and not just a fatal mistake of a young leader falling in love.

Winterdark:
I don’t like this at all. If they wanted Oona Chaplin so bad they should’ve made her a Martell.(I assume they appear this season) Jeyne Wetserling is perfect the way she is in the books. They shouldn’t turn her into someone else. I don’t get why D&D want to make up so much stuff this season. First Alton Lannister, then Kovarro and now Jeyne but not Westerling?Add to that, that they’ve added the Jaime storyline from ASoS and show some of Robb we didn’t see in the book. There are allready more characters and scenes in ACoK than you can ever put in 10 episodes. Why add more of your own? Doesn’t that make it even harder?

What’s the big deal with Alton and Kovarro anyway ,it’s not like they are important to the plot so i don’t see why you guys make such a big deal out of it

Season two is when David and Dan start deverging from the book series further. Sad thing is I wonder how long fans can stand the producers wanting to beat their own path as seasons go on, for the sake of simplifying?

Steve the Pirate,

Actually, just to clarify, Bran is 7 in GoT and by the time he meets the Reeds he has had his 9th name day. So I always pictured Jojen 12/13. That makes Jojen 3/4 years older than Bran, and Meera 7 years older. Bran is 10 in s1, if we assume the same time progression as in the books he will be 12 when he meets the Reeds, which will make them 15/16 and 19. They could use adult actors for both roles, though I think merging them into one (Meera) is feasible

Who Is Jacopo Belbo?: blah blah blah

Some of your criticism may have been valid but I stopped caring when you couldn’t make your points without resorting to preemptively insulting anyone who would eventually disagree with you.

BrosBeforeSnows,

Ahahaha. I never noticed that until you pointed it out but it makes life so much better now that you have. ;)

Two thoughts:

1. I hope they don’t omit Sybill Spicer and push her ambitions onto Jeyne’s character. That ruins Jeyne as a character, in my opinion. The greatest thing about the Robb and Jeyne storyline is that they really did love each other, even if it was only “teenage love.” The Red Wedding is doubly tragic when you realize that Jeyne was just a young girl, in love with a young boy, without any notion of what was going on above both their heads. The Red Wedding is so sad because it is the violent, terrible, evil consequence of something very innocent and pure. :(

2. PLEASE DON’T AGE THE REEDS. NO. No no no no. I’ve spoken about this in other threads, but I am vehemently opposed to the Reed(s) showing up as 18-year-old(s) or teenagers who look old or older people who look young. Bran doesn’t need a chaperone. He doesn’t need an Osha to warn him about dangers. He doesn’t need another Hodor to carry him around. He needs someone to tell him stories and keep him interested and help him pass his time. He needs CHILDREN – COMPANIONS who are growing and coming of age right beside him. Bran’s story is a coming-of-age tale, and that’s what’s so fantastic about it. They have little adventures and believe in magic and catch frogs and stuff. They’re children! Stand By Me in Westeros.

Think of any coming-of-age story you know and imagine how it would go if it were just the protagonist and adults. How would it go? Terribly, that’s how. The kid WOULDN’T come of age. He’d just end up one of those kids who always sits at the adults table and can’t make friends in school and likes to talk about obscure scholarly things. That’s not our Bran.

I don’t want them combined either, but that might be too much to ask. I think both Meera and Jojen are valuable roles, but if we have to do a Sophie’s choice, I’d say Meera has more to bring to the table. Though I hope they keep her more Meera with greensight than Jojen with a frog net.

Season 1 wasn’t perfect… Good, wry good at times, but no one claims it’s one of the best shows ever.

The critics are always most impressed with the narrative which comes from Martin. There was good acting, good directing, art direction, etc… But the story is the thing.

I don’t think Martin’s work is flawless, but f you’re going to make changes it should be to fix his flaws… Not create more!!!

Martin’s books have moments that “tell, but dont show” aka most of Robb’s exploits in Clash are told from one person to another. We dont “see” them, we are told about them.

The TV adaption has to show them. To make room for these scenes, the producers appear to have cut the Tullys. Painful as that is me as a reader; I understand and think it’s the right move.

But changing the Jeyne storyline this much?!?

Cutting the Reeds?!?!

These are stupid ideas. Dumb moves that without context seem right up there with Littlefinger sex monologues! Any moron could think “these dogs can’t be trained, but since they’re important to the story we should just edit in a few shots of direwolves sitting on the floor so viewers remember them, and realize wolves are still here” but our producers weren’t even smart enough to do that!!!

Seven Hells!

Delta1212: Seriously, that stag Tywin was gutting had to be one of the fakest looking props I’ve ever seen.

LMAO! That made my day!

I believe this character is going to be used to help Robb in his quest to “Make the Seven” before ASOS.

Lina: He needs CHILDREN – COMPANIONS who are growing and coming of age right beside him

See, but Meera IS of age. She’s 16. That makes her a ‘woman grown’ in Westeros. So she’s not a child in the book either.

IDEA

MAJOR SPOLIER

could she be the second Jayne at Riverrun. Not the one that ran away with blackfish and married Robb and is carrying his child. NOO she is the one that Jamie sees when he takes over Riverrun

Well if she is indeed “Jeyne W” I guess she’ll be a small role this season and bigger in the third. WiC, is she finished with her filming?

I refuse to believe that this will turn into “Legend of the Seeker”.

Volantis? Really? Sounds like a boner pill – or a company that makes them.

Please HBO, No “Red Wedding”
Robb is my favourite character!

OhWhoCares: See, but Meera IS of age. She’s 16. That makes her a ‘woman grown’ in Westeros. So she’s not a child in the book either.

That’s a “legal” approach. Okay, so by Westerosi common law she’s a woman grown. She can be married and what not. But in reality? She’s still a child – she takes on a maternal role of sorts while traveling, but she’s still just a girl, with a wild type of innocence. That’s my reading anyway.

By “coming of age” I didn’t mean “of age” in the legal sense. I meant maturing and discovering oneself and realizing that the world isn’t how children perceive it to be. There’s no set age for this to happen, so it’s unfair to say that just because Meera is 16 she’s already come to age.

I hope she will be naked in some scenes!

Here are a couple pics of Oona Chaplin…nothing racy or NSFW….

http://www.flickr.com/photos/kjoch/3244391410/

http://www.zimbio.com/Oona+Chaplin

http://www.topnews.in/oona-chaplin-imago-mortis-rome-photocall-arrivals-2110898

http://www.zimbio.com/pictures/yeEAQsmz1fW/German+Opera+Ball/EJaoQgOW8xm/Oona+Chaplin

http://www.metro.co.uk/metrolife/film/707854-charlie-chaplins-granddaughter-in-film-role

Winterdark,

She looks kinda Latin because her father is from Chile and she was born and raised in Madrid, Spain.

Dan: Dan
Posted September 16, 2011 at 12:15 pm | Permalink
Who Is Jacopo Belbo?,
I agree, they may have done the best job I’ve ever seen in staying true to a book but they didn’t even use real dire wolves or real dragons. They even faked the death of Ned Stark. Sean Bean isn’t really dead and that makes that whole scene just a lie and ruined the emotional reaction I had when Ned Stark died for real in the book. If I find out the sex scenes weren’t real then I’ll be done with this show.

Thanks, Dan. I just sprayed Diet Coke out my nose.

I’m down with them getting creative about Jeyne Westerling. Welcome, Oona and your Maggy-the-Frog backstory front and centre!

Apsalar,

The Westerlings are loyal to House Lannister, so that emphasis is in line with the original.

Winterdark: First of all: I’m pro immigration, pro ethnic diversity and my favorite film is American History X so I think I’m not really much of a racist.

Second: Someone here said she would play a Jeyne with a foreign accent so I assumed Oona has a bit of an accent. Also she does look kinda Latin to me and Jeyne Westerling is caucasian, at least that’s how I pictured her. And as tek pointed out the Martell’s are nobles and some of the ladies are very beautiful and intelligent. I just don’t think they should’ve changed Jeyne that much.

To be a racist and say racist things are different. Because you seem to be generally an open-minded person doesn’t make you immune to making hurtful actions, or saying something racist. Everyone needs a privilege check now and again.

And I pictured Tywin with mutton-chops, Dany with purple eyes, and Joreh as really ugly and hairy, not that I cared once I saw the final product. Though I still hold a candle for eyebrow-gate.

Besides which, I don’t think every single noble in Westeros north of Dorne is lily-white. They don’t sit in their castles and twiddle their thumbs all day. They move around, go on adventures, explore, some of them see the world, go on ships, and marry people from other nations. Or nobles of other nations come to Westeros to visit, and perhaps remain and marry there. Though this doesn’t happen in the books (and given he’s being tortured in a dungeon at the moment, so it probably won’t happen) but parallel-universe Jalabhar Xho could have married a Westeros woman and had children, just as there might be other exiled nobles and royalty who might have married into Westerosi aristocracy. Or in the Westerlings’ case, ambitious foreign merchants married up.

What I’m intrigued by is how she said she’s from Voltanis and speaks with an accent. Are they making Jeyne actually from Voltanis now, or is this a lie she tells Robb when she’s really a Westerling and the accent is false (perhaps learned from staying there for some time as a child)? Perhaps a later time he encounters her again and now her accent’s British and she’s unveiled as a Westrosi. I hope for the later, then not much of the book is changed. And I hope they keep her innocent, teenager-in-love Jeyne or else RW won’t have the same tragedy to it.

Well, if it’s after the battle of Oxcross, that’ll be a logical time to introduce Jeyne Westerling. And seeing as how Robb’s a marauder in her lands, it wouldn’t be too shocking for her family to try to hide her identity.

I do hope though that they’re not trying to turn her all mysterious. It worked with Shae the Funny Whore, because without Tyrion’s PoV thinking how great she is there’s no reason to see stupid-Shae and Tyrion together at all. Jeyne on the other hand needs to be pretty naive, so she doesn’t fully realize the consequences of marrying Robb, or about her mother’s plotting.

Lina,

I’m not trying to argue with you, because I do understand your point. I brought up the aging up because someone mentioned they wouldn’t want more child actors. I don’t think it would change the dynamic that much to age them since bran is aged too, I just want at least one of them there. I love the Reeds. They are such unique characters though, I might trust them more in the hands of a more experienced actor

Epic knows nothing,

Wow. Condescend much? I hope someday I will be saved by this unraveling truth you speak of. And then what? Will you and Jacopo Bellopo have this smug satisfaction that all is right with the world? Will you stop enjoying the phenomenon altogether when we come to the revelation that the show ‘sucks’?

Sarcastic rant over.
We get it your disatisfied with the show but why taint these civil discussions with so much venom and name calling (not you for the name calling, your more of the condescending type)?

I am university educated, I read Dickens,Shakespeare, Moliere, Hemingway, Huxley, Orwell, Clarke, Herbert etc I am about as literate as you can get. I love Hitchcock, Godard, Truffaut, David Lean, Scorcese, Bergman. I think The Wire is the greatest thing to grace television. I also think Buffy the Vampire Slayer is the in the top 5 of that category but I am use to having to defend myself with condescending cynical people who can’t understand why I like the things I do. And I like ASOIAF. Of course, why else would I be here? To put it plainly I do not think that A Game of Thrones is the greatest tv show ever. It has a lot of flaws, but so it also has some incredible moments and nuances as well. I agree that is more of a phenomenon than a wholesale . quality HBO series like The Wire or The Sopranos or AMC’s Mad Men, yet I have this hope that it will improve. I think strict adherence to the source material harms the show. Pacing was the main bone of contention for me. The adaptation process needs to be refined and maybe just maybe they will do it right next season and the show will be more than dramatised highlights of ASOIAF. For every terrible Dothraki dress or poorly paced moment or cheap set design , there is Master Aemon’s speech to Jon Snow, there is Conleth Hill’s Varys, there is Charles Dances’ pitch perfect Lord Tywin, there is the beautifully rendered vista of Trident and the Twins at sundown. There is NCW uttering ‘there are no men like me, there is just me’ there is the Golgotha-esque execution of Eddard Stark….I could go on and on. But what’s wrong with not being cynical and being optimistic? Why should the likes of Jacopo Bellopo look down upon us “fanboys” for this enthusiasm? Speak your mind please, make valid balanced criticisms and let us know what needs to improve but don’t ‘tolerate’ us.

This is … fascinating.

I shall reserve judgement until later. My reaction now is basically just, like

“Huh.”

loco73,

Do you have any racy and NSFW? :)

I have to say I don’t love coming here and reading possible story alterations. Not because I don’t think they’ll be any good, but because that’s the one area where I can be on equal ground with non-readers, and have plot surprises in store to look forward to.

Epic knows nothing,

That’s what I’m talking about! Sorry If I sound condescending…:-)

Steve Hugh Westenra: Robb and Jeyne are a bit bland in the books, so I can understand that D&D might want to flesh them out. On the other hand, because I find them bland and boring I’m not sure I want them to bother, if that makes sense? Richard Madden does a good job in the show, don’t get me wrong, but I just never found Robb as multifaceted a character as many of the others.

I always found the fact that Jeyne seemed so bland and her family was not of great nobility to make it even more compelling that Robb made such a blunder, and dooms himself. If it were wild, reckless romance, exotic adventure, true love, the REAL, true, amazing love, then it would make all the breaking of the Frey vows worthwhile, and yea, even the death worthwhile. But just for some boring girl with a jumped up family, makes it all the more tragic.

The White Bullshit,

Put yer money where yer mouth is and cough up another 50 million to make it awesome then.Til then, I’m fine with “best show on tv when it’s on”.

I WANT to see the scenes missing from the books. These are interesting scenes. These are interesting characters. The show could completely skip some storylines (sorry blackfish) and i’ll be fine, because now watching the series and reading the books is like seeing even more points of view of the same series of events.

Who Is Jacopo Belbo?,

Wah wah wah. Go watch reality TV then.

daveb,

LOL..I didn’t find any…But you are free to look for them…shouldn’t be a problem finding them…

Slept on it, am still baffled. First of all, where do the “Volantis” news come from? HBO? Oona? I said above that one of my suspicions was that TPTB cared only about new viewers and not old fans. Thinking back on it I must be wrong, because only us old fans would pick up the Volantis reference. It means nothing to everybody else.

I’m happy if they flesh out Jeyne. That was something I felt was missing in the books. I’m trying not to troll for the sake of trolling: I was happy with how much S1 was faithful to the books, and based on that I’m reasonably sure S2 will be a worthwile product even for us fans.

But I can’t get rid of the image I quoted on a previous thread, of TPTB throwing us bloody morcels of info and us falling on them snarling and biting each other.

I think I should just stay away from rumours and enjoy S2 as a surprise when it comes out. Yes yes, I know, I’ll mind the door.

I could tell you but then I’d have to kill you? Give it your best shot, Winter! :-)

Edit: should have refreshed before posting – Obsidian beat me to it while I was reading through last day’s posts. So I guess you have new information that you will only share if we beg until our knees bleed?

The Robb/Jeyne story in the book is on the heavy side of disbelief suspension (the injured leader of aggressor army is being tended alone by the sacked lord’s daughter? is he asking to be murdered?). My guess would be that they’re setting up for Robb and Jeyne-with-a-false-name in a ‘can’t help falling in love’ drama before finding out each other’s real identities. Then Robb would hold back, trying to honour the Frey marriage contract, has a moment of weakness due to anguish when word of Theon’s betrayal reaches him, and BOOM bye bye kingdom.

Epic knows nothing,
i’m puzzled – what are you still doing here then? I don’t get it, if you didn’t like the show and you “laugh at how bad it is”, just stop watching it. Also, i really can’t understand how is possible you didn’t like it AT ALL – there are so many parts of it which are just amazing, period. You may not like the writing or the adaptation, but what about the set and the acting?

knowsomething: You know, I’m really sick of the veiled racist statements here. Give me a effin’ break. Do you really think that Oona Chaplin is some kind of exotic, foreign beauty who can only be a Martell because those are the only characters that can vaguely be ethnic in Martin’s universe?

god, I CAN’T BEIEVE IT. The racism thing again? Face it: westerosi nobles are supposed to look european. Eurpoens who lived during the feudalistic age. Not even mediterrean, just English. And maybe French orGerman. That’s how almost all (maybe all) Westerosi nobles are supposed to look like. I was puzzled with Oona’s appearance as well, and i thought she was a weird choice for JW. I said nothing because Nina Gold is amazing, but i still think it and i’m not racist. Just stop with this thing, is annoying

Winter Is Coming,

After a certain message on a certain box, you should know that we always WANT to read more into things than is really there :-)

Elena Amici,

Yep, it is annoying. Stop it. I’ve read your comments from the other threads. Do some self-reflection and stop it.

STOP. FEEDING. THE. TROLLS.

Again, is it possible to say that I find Oona a rather bland looking person without charges of racism? ha ha

She’s not ugly, but IMO, she’s no better looking than a million people you’d see on the street and never turn your head at.

People will say “Jeyne’s suppose to be plain and average” yada yada yada, this is TV. Robb’s suppose to “fall in love at first sight” … Jeyne should have at least been as attractive as every other girl on the show: Dany, Irri, Gilly, Margery, Marri Maz Durr etc.

Do people watch The Hour? (good show). Oona is cast as the Ice Queen.

Now she’s a mysterious yet plain girl from Volantis? Give me a break

Epic knows nothing: I will try harder to not to make everyone hate me because I kind of like it here and I make some sort of contribution

First: sorry to intrude (I have plenty of time).

Well, I like to read what you have to say. You write very well and you’re funny…and sometimes quite a challenge (I guess you already know it).
I don´t understand that someone could hate another person here for whatever reason.

Elena: I like you too of course.

Can’t we just all get along!?!?!? LOL…forget all this on-line fighting, lets instead meet in a field and beat each other with bats, axes, swords, knives etc…Winter, FaBio and the rest of the top brass on this site can preside over the melee! Those of us who survive will retain the right to continue posting here without being a bunch of douches, those who don’t, get a Dothraki funeral pire!

If Oona Chaplin is not suitable for the “Game Of Thrones” cast, then I have in mind a perfect replacement for her…none other than “Jersey Shore’s” own legendary “actress”, J-Woww! We don’t have to worry about her race because she has none…unless “orange” can be qualified as a new one!

She can play the strong silent type…I know at least one kid that would be happy to suckle on her ample busom, for some reason he keeps yelling “Make the bad man fly!”.

There you go, problem solved!

purplejilly,

Hi! I just noticed you’d responded specifically to me, and although I had read your comment for some reason that didn’t register, so sorry!
I agree with you completely about Jeyne’s character, as well as the tragedy of the red wedding. I think it would downplay everything that happens to make her just another schemer (which is something they seem to want to do with every love-interest out there (Loras, for instance). I definitely enjoy the scheming that goes on in this series, but to have absolutely every character behave that way invalidates, to some extent, the well-drawn portraits of human emotion and foible that GRRM has painted in the books. If every character is a Cersei or a Littlefinger, character-wise they tend to look a little redundant.
What I meant by flesh out was simply explore their relationship more, which could easily just mean showing Robb fall in love with her on-screen. Although I’m not a fan of Robb or Jeyne, particularly, I can see how this makes a lot of sense of the show. They don’t have to make either character super-sketchy, but they can flesh out preexistent aspects of their personalities.

I was an extra at the Oxcross scene. I was supposed to be playing dead so I couldn’t see and hear everything that was going on but this is what I picked up:

Rob and Roose Bolton are walking around after the battle. They come across ‘Jeyne’, a nurse treating a wounded Lannister soldier. She has a go at Robb, saying something along the lines of “are you going to help me or are you too busy touring your victory?” Bolton, true to form, tells Robb to move on and that his own wounded are more important. Robb decides to help Jeyne amputate the wounded soldier’s leg.

They filmed a bit more dialogue after that. Jeyne tells Robb that he doesn’t look like a King and Robb gives his reasons for coming out west and raising hell.

The final shot involved Jeyne packing up and leaving on a wagon. The dialogue went as follows:
“You never told me where you’re from”
“Volantis”
“You’re far from home. He [the Lannister soldier] was lucky you were here”
“He was unlucky that *you* were”

Personally I think that’s the height of it. I doubt that she’ll go on to be revealed as Jeyne Westerling (although they could have picked a different name if that’s the case). The scene seemed to be more focussed on showing the differences between Robb and Roose Bolton. In an earlier shot there was a debate between the two of them. Roose wanted to flay the prisoners, Robb didn’t.

Make of it what you will.

One thing I haven’t seen brought up: does it really make sense for a noblewoman to pretend to be a commoner in times of war? A commoner woman in war is quite likely to be raped, especially if she was captured, no?

Joe,

Wow. Interesting. Thanks a lot for the info.

Bombshell Funbags: I think it would also result with a more likeable Robb than in the books.

I think you´re right. Nice idea.