Scripting Season Two: A Clash of Kings
By Winter Is Coming on in Production, Speculation.

ACoK US Original PaperbackBack in January, Fire and Blood broke down A Clash of Kings into bite-sized chapter summaries. He then laid those out into a speculative 12 episode season. We know now, of course, that season two will be only 10 episodes. But FaB’s breakdown is still helpful, so I decided to repost it to get the conversation started on what season two might look like. Eventually, we’ll speculate on specific episodes, but for now, let’s take a look at what writers/producers David Benioff and D.B. Weiss are working with for the whole of season two.

Spoilers! At the risk of stating the obvious, this post will contain spoilers for A Clash of Kings and, by extension, the second season of Game of Thrones. You’ve been warned!

A Clash of Kings, despite having only 70 chapters to A Game of Thrones‘ 73, is still a longer book, clocking in at 969 pages (US MMPB) to AGoT’s 807. This means David & Dan have some work to do to fit it into 10 episodes. Another challenge: the story lines are very imbalanced. For example, Tyrion has 15 chapters while Dany has only 5. And characters such as Robb and Jaime have hardly any screen time at all.

We know that they plan to rectify this latter issue by showing us Robb’s exploits in the West as opposed to the second hand reports we received in the books. They’ve also said they will be moving some storylines from the third book up into the second season, leaving me and others to speculate if that means we might see Jaime released from captivity this season.

Of course, these new scenes means others have to be cut. It seems the Tullys have received the axe once again. What other characters or storylines might be trimmed to make way for new material? Or just to streamline this story into ten 55-minute episodes (give or take a few minutes)? Take a gander at the 70-chapter ACoK breakdown below and leave your thoughts in the comments!

The A Clash of Kings breakdown:

01. PROLOGUE: CRESSEN POV; at DRAGONSTONE; intro of MAESTER PYLOS, SHIREEN, PATCHFACE, DAVOS SEAWORTH, LORD STANNIS BARATHEON, LADY SELYSE BARATHEON, MELISANDRE; Maester Cressen fails to poison Melisandre, and the long tradition of prologue POV deaths takes its second step.

02. ARYA 1: Arya heads north with Yoren, accompanied by Gendry, Hot Pie, and Lommy. Proper intro of JAQEN H’GAR, RORGE, BITER.

03. SANSA 1: Sansa attends Joffrey’s name day tourney. Intro of SER ARYS OAKHEART, LADY TANDA STOKEWORTH, LOLLYS STOKEWORTH, SER DONTOS HOLLARD, SER BALON SWANN; Sansa’s quick thinking saves drunken, pantless Dontos. Tyrion arrives.

04. TYRION 1: Tyrion surprises Cersei and council with his return. Varys later surprises Tyrion by visiting Shae in the inn Tyrion had stashed her in.

05. BRAN 1: Winterfell; intro of BIG WALDER, LITTLE WALDER; fun with logs and sticks. Old Nan says the red comet means dragons are returning. Osha tells Bran not to fight the wolf dreams. Bran later dreams he is Summer.

06. ARYA 2: More refugees encountered by Yoren’s band on road; an encounter with gold cloaks reveals Gendry is sought by the crown.

07. JON 1: Jon and Sam prepare for the journey north. Mormont and Jon talk history; Jon again swears to keep his vows.

08. CATELYN 1: RIVERRUN; BLACKFISH and a sickly LORD HOSTER quarrel; intro of EDMURE. News of Gregor raiding the land; Catelyn decides to leave Riverrun to treat with Renly.

09. TYRION 2: Probable new intro of PODRICK PAYNE; intro of JACELYN BYWATER; Tyrion tricks Slynt and sends him to the Wall. Varys implies Meaghan and her baby were killed on Cersei’s order. Shae is restless in the manse, but Tyrion will not risk her life.

10. ARYA 3: Yoren and his rag-tag group find a woman and her young daughter (WEASEL) in a burned out holdfast. The woman dies in the night.

11. DAVOS 1: Melisandre burns statues of the Seven, gives Stannis “Lightbringer.” SALLADHOR SAAN tells Davos the sword is a fake. Davos and Stannis talk; Edric Storm mentioned.

12. THEON 1: Theon gets a blowjob aboard the MYRAHAM; CAPTAIN’S DAUGHTER is besotted. Ashore, intro of AERON DAMPHAIR, who escorts Theon to PYKE. Theon gives Robb’s offer to his father LORD BALON GREYJOY, who throws it in his face; the ironmen will instead sail against the north.

13. DAENERYS 1: Dany and her followers suffer on their trek east; Doreah dies. They find abandoned city of VAES TOLORRO. Dany sends her blood riders out. Time passes; Rakharo eventually returns with PYAT PREE, XARO XHOAN DAXOS, and QUAITHE, all come to see the dragons.

14. JON 2: Mormont & co. find village of WHITETREE abandoned. Intro of DOLOROUS EDD. Other nameless villages found and passed through.

15. ARYA 4: Yoren’s band also find abandoned villages; wind up in walled HARRENTOWN. SER AMORY LORCH comes in the night and storms the walls. Harrentown burns; most are killed including Yoren. Arya frees Jaqen, Rorge, Biter; flees Harrentown with Gendry, Hot Pie, Lommy, Weasel.

16. TYRION 3: Cersei freaks out about Stannis’s accusatory letter. Tyrion meets with blacksmiths about constructing giant chain. Intro of ALAYAYA; Varys takes Tyrion from Chataya’s to Shae’s manor via secret path.

17. BRAN 2: Bran, now lord of Winterfell, treats with guests including LORD MANDERLY and widowed LADY HORNWOOD; first mention of the bastard Ramsay Bolton. Most guests want Lady Hornwood’s hand in marriage.

18. TYRION 4: Tyrion steals potion from Pycelle; refuses Cersei’s demand that Tywin send an army; makes deal with Littlefinger that will grant with it Harrenhal and lordship of the Trident; meets with Varys re: placating House Martell.

19. SANSA 2: Sansa meets with Ser Dontos in godswood; he promises to see her safely home. Later, Sansa encounters the Hound, who escorts her to her room; he frightens her but she promises to sing him a song one day soon.

20. ARYA 5: Arya and the boys on the lam. Arya reveals her true identity to Gendry in private. Gendry captured by Gregor in PILLAGED VILLAGE. Arya attempts rescue with Hot Pie but is caught. Lommy killed by RAFF THE SWEETLING.

21. TYRION 5: Tyrion inspects wildfire with PYROMANCER HALLYNE; is promised 10,000 jars. SER CLEOS FREY sent to treat with Robb. Cersei confronts Tyrion re: agreement to send Myrcella to Dorne. Tyrion now knows who betrayed him to Cersei.

22. BRAN 3: Bran conducts harvest feast at Winterfell. Intro of JOJEN REED and MEERA REED. Bran later dreams a wolf dream in which Jojen and Meera approach Summer; when touched by Jojen, Bran wakes.

23. CATELYN 2: Catelyn treats with (King) Renly at BITTERBRIDGE. Intro of Renly’s new bride MARGAERY; intro of BRIENNE OF TARTH, who wins tourney and a place in Rainbow Guard. Renly refuses Robb’s treatise; Catelyn dubs Renly’s host the “Knights of Summer.” Messenger arrives, says Stannis besieging Storm’s End.

24. JON 3: Mormont & co. shelter at CRASTER’S KEEP; intro of CRASTER and pregnant GILLY, who begs Jon to take her with him; says Craster will give her newborn son to the Others. Jon refuses even though Sam promised her.

25. THEON 2: Theon rides (and flirts) with Esgred (ASHA GREYJOY); she reveals she is his sister once they are at Pyke. Asha later mocks him at a feast. Intro of VICTARION GREYJOY as Lord Balon reveals his plan of attack on the north; Theon is furious that his tasks are minimal.

26. TYRION 6: Tyrion finds Cersei in her chamber with Lancel; Tyrion imparts the good news that Renly and Stannis are fighting; Tyrion then poisons her. Tyrion, Timmett, Shagga break down Pycelle’s door; Pycelle thrown into dungeons.

27. ARYA 6: Arya imprisoned by Gregor with other villagers. Intro of THE TICKLER, CHISWYCK, POLLIVER (who takes Needle), DUNSEN, SHITMOUTH. Arya brought to HARRENHAL; takes the name “Weasel.” Intro of WEESE.

28. DAENERYS 2: Dany enters QARTH, takes up residence with Xaro. Intro of QUHURU, captain of Cinnamon Wind. Dany plots with Jorah on retaking Westeros.

29. BRAN 4: Jojen warns Bran he should leave Winterfell because of a dream he had. Luwin tells Bran magic is gone from the world.

30. TYRION 7: Lancel demands Tyrion release Pycelle; Tyrion turns tables on Lancel by making him confess he has had sex with Cersei.* Tyrion visits Shae. More sex ensues.

31. ARYA 7: Arya works the kitchens of Harrenhal; intro of PIA. Intro of VARGO HOAT and the Brave Companions. Ser Amory enters with captive Jaqen, Rorge, Biter. Jaqen grants Arya three names to whisper to him; she whispers “Chiswyck” and he is soon found dead.

32. CATELYN 3: Stannis and Renly meet; threats ensue, a peach is eaten; Stannis says Renly will be dead by the morrow if he does not yield; Renly refuses. Brienne and Catelyn bond; intro of SER ROBAR ROYCE (Robar the Red).

33. SANSA 3: Sansa escorted by Hound to visit Joffrey; Joff is furious at Robb’s victories and has her stripped naked and beaten. Tyrion halts the madness; he offers Sansa a place to stay in the Tower of the Hand but she refuses.

34. CATELYN 4: Catelyn visits Renly, who is being dressed for battle in his tent by Brienne. Renly is slain by a shadow; Brienne is blamed. Catelyn and Brienne flee; Ser Robar helps them escape.

35. JON 4: Mormont & co. arrive at FIST OF THE FIRST MEN. Jon wanders off; Ghost finds a cache of dragonglass weapons wrapped in a Night Watchman’s cloak.

36. BRAN 5: Luwin tells Bran of Robb’s latest victories. The Walders learn they have lost a relative and are cheered. Bran warns everyone that this is what Jojen’s dream told them, but few believe him. Intro of Reek (RAMSAY BOLTON); Jojen warns that Reek will kill Bran and Rickon.

37. TYRION 8: News of Renly’s death arrives; many houses have now gone over to Stannis. Littlefinger volunteers to try and woo Highgarden to their cause by delivering an offer of marriage between Joffrey and Margaery.

38. THEON 3: Theon has taken a northern FISHING VILLAGE. Theon returns to his ship SEA BITCH; Intro of DAGMAR CLEFTJAW, who Theon flatters into following his orders. Dagmar told to raid Torrhen Square to draw Ser Rodrik away from Winterfell.

39. ARYA 8: Lord Tywin rules at Harrenhal but is leaving; Ser Amory made castellan. Arya beaten by Weese. She whispers his name to Jaqen; Weese later killed by own dog.

INSERT: Jaime Lannister attempts escape from Riverrun scene! Please? Thank you, Fire And Blood Productions! We love you.

40. CATELYN 5: Brienne swears service to Catelyn at Riverrun; news of Jaime’s attempted escape. An ill Hoster babbles incoherently from his bed, thinking Catelyn is Lysa. Catelyn is brought Ned’s bones.

41. DAENERYS 3: The Pureblood of Qarth have refused Dany’s plea for aid, though her dragons are popular. Quaithe warns her she must leave Qarth soon. A lot of Q’s here. Dany finally decides to see the warlocks.

42. TYRION 9: Myrcella departs on ship bound for Dorne; first mention of the Kettleblacks. On return, royal party is assaulted by mob; AARON SANTIGAR, SER PRESTON GREENFIELD, High Septon killed; Lollys gang-raped. Hound rescues Sansa. Tyrion learns the mob blames him for Joff’s incompetence.

43. DAVOS 2: At STORM’S END, SER CORTNAY PENROSE refuses Stannis’s demand to hand over Edric Storm. Later in council Stannis says that Cortnay will be dead by morning. Davos rows Melisandre beneath Storm’s End, where she births a shadow.

44. JON 5: At Fist of the First Men, QHORIN HALFHAND intro. Dissention amongst Mormont’s men. First mention of Rattleshirt, the Weeper. Mormont grants Qhorin’s request that Jon travel with him into Frostfangs.

45. TYRION 10: Tyrion meets with Lancel (now his spy) at the sept. After, Tyrion tells Bronn to take 50 men and seize Tommen and hold him at Rosby. Intro of SYMON SILVER TONGUE. More Shae sex. Varys later visits dressed as beggar; suggests Shae attend Lollys.

46. CATELYN 6: Edmure marches from Riverrun to meet Tywin in the field. Catelyn learns Ser Cortnay is dead and Stannis has taken Storm’s End. She later speaks to Ser Cleos who has new peace terms from Tyrion; learns Tywin is in retreat, though this worries her.

47. BRAN 6: Bran dreaming inside Summer; sees that Winterfell is being attacked. Theon takes Winterfell, takes Bran prisoner; Bran yields castle to protect others. Mikken killed by STYGG. Hodor beaten. Osha goes over to Theon’s side.

48. ARYA 9: Vargo Hoat & Brave Companions return to Harrenhal with northern captives. Jaqen consents to help Arya free them only after she names him as the third name; “Weasel Soup” commences; Harrenhal retaken. LORD ROOSE BOLTON arrives and makes Arya (Nan) his cupbearer. Ser Amory fed to a bear.

49. DAENERYS 4: Dany enters HOUSE OF THE UNDYING. Psychedelic maze wandering ensues; the number 3 prevalent, appearing over and over. Visions include PRINCE RHAEGAR TARGARYEN and PRINCESS ELIA OF DORNE. Dany attacked by Undying; Drogon burns down House. Pyat Pree attacks her once she is outside and is subdued.

50. TYRION 11: Tyrion sends Shagga and clansmen off to harry Stannis. Ser Balon Swann and SER OSMUND KETTLEBLACK sworn into Kingsguard. Tyrion suggests to NEW HIGH SEPTON that people might rally against Stannis for burning the Seven.

51. THEON 4: Theon wakes in Winterfell with Kyra; discovers some of his men have been killed and Bran, Rickon, Jojen, Meera, Hodor, and Osha are missing. Sets off with party to find them, incl. Reek, who says they are hiding in nearby mill. Theon and Reek head toward mill.

52. JON 6: Qhorin, Jon, EBBEN, STONESNAKE, SQUIRE DALBRIDGE navigate SKIRLING PASS. They fall upon sleeping wildlings, incl. ORELL, who is killed, and YGRITTE, who Jon spares. She tells tale of Bael the Bard. When told he must kill her, Jon instead lets Ygritte go.

53. SANSA 4: In godswood, Dontos tells Sansa she will be leaving on a ship soon. Sansa goes to roof to look at fires outside the city; meets the Hound. They talk. Later she dreams of blood, and wakes having had her first flowering. Sansa panics, tries to burn the sheets, is caught and brought to Cersei, who chastens and mocks her.

54. JON 7: Continuing through Skirling Pass; Jon and Qhorin speak of Mance Rayder. Later Jon dreams he is inside Ghost, speaking to Bran, then spying on wildling camp. An eagle attacks Ghost and Jon wakes. Ghost soon found injured. Dalbridge left behind to guard pass against pursuit.

55. TYRION 12: Tyrion receives word of Bran & Rickon’s deaths, talks to Cersei. Cersei reveals she has Tyrion’s “whore,” but it is Alayaya she holds. Intro OSNEY & OSFRYD KETTLEBLACK. Tyrion threatens Cersei, returns to room to find Shae. No Shae sex– Tyrion too stressed!

56. CATELYN 7: Catelyn mourns Bran & Rickon at Riverrun. While castle celebrates victories, Catelyn goes to dungeon with Brienne; makes pact with Jaime.

57. THEON 5: Asha arrives at Winterfell; she is critical of Theon’s decisions, esp. the murder of Bran & Rickon. Reek volunteers to ride for help; Theon grants it. It’s revealed the boys who were killed were not actually Bran & Rickon.

58. SANSA 5: Sansa prays in the sept as Stannis’s attack on King’s Landing is imminent. Sansa goes to Maegor’s Holdfast; Cersei hosts a party for noblewomen, trying to keep morale up. Ser Ilyn is here, looming.

59. DAVOS 3: Davos leads naval assault on Blackwater Bay aboard his BLACK BETHA. It goes well until it goes very badly; the fleet is beset by wildfire and cannot escape, as Tyrion’s chain is drawn up. Davos thrown from his exploding ship.

60. TYRION 13: Tyrion and Joffrey watch from the walls. Not all the ships burned; some have come ashore. Joffrey has Antler Men catapulted at the enemy. Tyrion orders the Hound to lead a defense of the King’s Gate but is refused. The Hound flees. Tyrion has to lead it himself.

61. SANSA 6: Cersei’s morale ball goes poorly, and even Cersei is angry and drunk. Cersei orders Joffrey brought to safety. Cersei forces wine on Sansa, says Ilyn will be used to kill the nobles if Stannis wins.

62. TYRION 14: Tyrion leads assault on attackers in defense of King’s Gate. They push through and move to defend Mud Gate. Tyrion forces horse onto a tangle of WRECKED GALLEYS; he is betrayed by Ser Mandon and cut across the face. Podrick saves the day by pushing Mandon overboard.

63. SANSA 7: Lancel informs Cersei the battle is lost. Cersei strikes him and leaves. Sansa calms remaining nobles. She is warned to return to her chambers by Dontos; encounters the Hound who is drunk and demands his song. Hound rips off white cloak and leaves. Later Dontos tells her victory was miraculously won– by Renly.

64. DAENERYS 5: Dany prepares to flee Qarth; talks with Jorah about House of the Undying. Another assassination attempt with a manticore is stymied by Arstan Whitebeard (Ser Barristan) and STRONG BELWAS, sent by Illyrio to return Dany to Pentos. She agrees to go with them.

65. ARYA 10: Harrenhal is a more frightening place with Roose Bolton in charge; intro of SEPTON UTT and QYBURN. Arya does her duties, talks to young SQUIRE ELMAR, leeches Bolton. Arya finds map of Riverlands and hatches escape plan; Arya slits a guard’s throat and escapes with Gendry and Hot Pie.

66. SANSA 8: Joffrey bestows honors; Lord Tywin takes over as Hand, LORD MACE TYRELL given seat on council, GARLAN TYRELL into; Joff disavows betrothal to Sansa and betroths Margaery. Joff calls for execution of traitors. Sansa later given hair net by Dontos in godswood; he promises she will be leaving on Joff’s name day celebration.

67. THEON 6: Theon watches many of his men flee the approach of Ser Rodrik. He treats with Rodrik and threatens to hang BETH CASSEL. Theon later considers taking the black until Ramsay Bolton (Reek) finally returns with help. Rodrik is killed. Ramsay betrays Theon, stabs Luwin, burns Winterfell.

68. TYRION 15: Tyrion wakes, drugged and bandaged. Face wound terrible. Father has replaced him as Hand. Bronn is now a knight. Life sucking ass.

69. JON 8: Ebben and Stonesnake sent off; Qhorin tells Jon he must yield and join wildlings to act as spy. Intro RATTLESHIRT; he has Ebben’s head. Ygritte and others urge Jon be spared; Jon forced to fight and kill Qhorin. Rattleshirt forced to take Jon to Mance for judgment.

70. BRAN 7: Summer & Shaggydog roam burned Winterfell. Bran, Rickon, Osha, Hodor, Jojen, Meera exit crypts, find bodies everywhere. Luwin still alive; dies after telling Osha to separate Bran and Rickon. Bran (and Summer) goes with Hodor, Jojen, Meera, heading north. Rickon (with Shaggydog) leaves with Osha.


128 Comments

  1. alex
    Posted October 4, 2011 at 12:17 pm | Permalink

    first !
    oh, and i can’t wait for Tyrion’s season two !

  2. Brian Baldinger
    Posted October 4, 2011 at 12:23 pm | Permalink

    Sorry to de-rail, but warning: “Game of Thrones: Genesis” is not a fun game.

  3. Mike Johnson
    Posted October 4, 2011 at 12:25 pm | Permalink

    I really don’t have a problem with relegating the Tullys to the background – some things simply have to be cut, and regardless of personal preferences, the cuts have to hit things that are not absolutely integral to the main arcs. You could cut a lot of the Hot Pie/Lommy stuff and lose nothing essential. I like the Reeds, but I am wondering if they may cut them (they haven’t been cast yet…seems pretty late in the day to cast them at this point) and assign some of their function/skills to Osha – Tena is a fantastic actress, and having Osha vanish with Rickon for the next three or four seasons seems like a complete waste. There will have to be a lot fewer minor encounters in all the major character arcs: Arya’s, Theon’s, Jon’s, etc. We will probably see minor characters omitted or collapsed into other characters. This doesn’t really disappoint me – they have to tighten the focus for a television show, and everything I’ve seen so far makes me trust the decision making process in terms of story-telling.

  4. The Rabbit
    Posted October 4, 2011 at 12:26 pm | Permalink

    It is a tough job – that s only I can say.
    A great deal more tough than the S1.

    The only thing we know so far: Episode 9 will be Blackwater.

    I ll put my money as well on a bit different prologue: the burning of the 7, following by Cressen s death.
    Probably Jaime would be released by Cat earlier than in books, and start his wondering with Brienne.
    The season finale would be interesting too. I wonder where they going to cut each story arc?

  5. Brad Villane
    Posted October 4, 2011 at 12:33 pm | Permalink

    Well, Arya 1 and Jon 1 were both taken care of in Season 1.

    If I had to guess, Jon and Dany are gonna get some added stuff in Season 2. There’s just not a ton for either of them to do. An encounter with the wights or Others would help to remind everyone what’s going on. For Dany, I hope they use the House of the Undying to show some flashbacks and flesh out the history of Robert’s Rebellion.

    I also really, really hope we get more Hound/Sansa as that was glossed over in Season 1.

    As far as cuts, I imagine we’ll see some simplifying of the early Bran chapters. I think they may need to rethink the way they set up Reek, and then the reveal that he’s actually Ramsey. I found that part a little confusing during my first read through of the book.

  6. alex
    Posted October 4, 2011 at 12:36 pm | Permalink

    *SPOILER*The Halfhand didn’t specifically tell Jon Snow to kill Ygritte. The other Sworn Brothers said she must die, but Quorin Halfhand told Jon to do what must be done ( or smth along those lines ). Jon decides to spare her and the Halfhand was satisfied. He then told Jon that he would have been satisfyed whatever Jon would have done because, either way, he would have learned smth about Jon.

  7. Hear Me Roar
    Posted October 4, 2011 at 12:39 pm | Permalink

    This is just to say I won’t read or discuss this much, since I don’t want to remember the exact sequence of storylines and each and every great moment of book two when I start watching S2. I remember enough already as it is, of course ;) Enjoy the discussion!

  8. Nick Larter
    Posted October 4, 2011 at 12:42 pm | Permalink

    I don’t see any reason why some chapters in ACOK couldn’t be put back to S3 to make room for all the ASOS material going the other way and also the new scenes of the campaign in the west. You could leave some or all of Sansa 7&8 plus Tyrion 15 and Bran 7 to S3. Don’t need to cast Mace or Garlan for S2 then, plus Bran and Rickon could stay ‘dead’ for S2, which will make for a good twist at the start of S3.

    btw, can someone remind me whether the recon party of Qhorin, Jon et al left the Fist mounted or on foot – I’m trying to work out whether or not there’s any likely substance to night’swatchhorsegate.

  9. Lisa
    Posted October 4, 2011 at 12:48 pm | Permalink

    btw, can someone remind me whether the recon party of Qhorin, Jon et al left the Fist mounted or on foot – I’m trying to work out whether or not there’s any likely substance to night’swatchhorsegate.

    I think they were mounted but then Jon and Stonesnake left their horses with the others while they were climbing the Frostfangs. When Qhorin and Jon fled they had their horses again. So the answer to your question: yes, then no, then yes again. ;)

  10. Knurk
    Posted October 4, 2011 at 12:51 pm | Permalink

    Off-topic: BE second episode scored 2.6 million viewers (0.3 less than last week’s premiere), continuing its declining trend.

  11. Honest Jerk
    Posted October 4, 2011 at 12:54 pm | Permalink

    MY BREAK DOWN
    Episode One: The Comet
    Open on Dragonstone: Maester giving history lesson to Shireen (aka get a recap exposition of first season out there). Maester gets called to room, tries to poison Mel and fails. Cut to Joffery’s name day scene where Tyrion arrives, Tyrion’s first council setting. Cut to Rodrik Cassel showing up at Winterfell, Bran gets update on brother’s war efforts. Cut to Robb’s camp, where Theon is sent to Iron Islands and Cat worries about daughters. Cut to Arya meeting Jaqen and then fighting with Hot Pie fight. Cut across narrow sea, Dany & Jorah decided to go southeast. Cut to north of Wall, Night’s Watch find village empty. Cut to King’s Landing, Tyrion sets up Shae in whorehouse… sees Janos Slynt & the City Watch kill whore & Robert’s baby bastard. Cut to Stannis watching Mel burn the 7. Cut to Robb’s camp where Robb listens as Jaime talks Mad King and wildfyre, Robb decides to take fighting west, Cat to Storm’s End. Cut to King’s Road, Arya and Night’s Watch attacked by forces who want to kill Gendry.

    Episode 2: You Are Somebody
    Open on Yoren leading group across open field, Yoren & Arya bond. Cut to Theon landing on Iron Islands. Cut to Dany and camp feeding dragons. Cut to Tyrion sending Slynt to the Wall, and then scene with Maester about wildfyre. Cut to Night’s Watch arrival at Craster’s Keep. Cut to Robb leading army away from camp, leaving Bolton’s forces behind to guard Jaime. Cut to Sansa meeting her fool. Cut to Dany’s group facing the arrival of Qarth 3. Cut to Theon’s scene with father… father wants to attack the north. Cut to Arya and company being attacked, Yoren dies, Jaqen freed.

  12. Nick Larter
    Posted October 4, 2011 at 12:54 pm | Permalink

    Lisa,

    Ah thanks, so there might be some truth in the rumour then!

  13. Lisa
    Posted October 4, 2011 at 12:57 pm | Permalink

    Nick Larter,

    What rumour?

  14. Tar Kidho
    Posted October 4, 2011 at 12:58 pm | Permalink

    Hear Me Roar,

    Same here! :-)

  15. John
    Posted October 4, 2011 at 12:59 pm | Permalink

    Knurk:
    Off-topic: BE second episode scored 2.6 million viewers (0.3 less than last week’s premiere), continuing its declining trend.

    So why should I care about that ?

  16. Tar Kidho
    Posted October 4, 2011 at 1:01 pm | Permalink

    Knurk,

    C’mon HBO, surely that is ample reason to cancel BE for the third season and use the freed funds and time slots for an extended season 3 of Thrones! ;)

    John,

    Knurk’s post was definitely more interesting than your reply…

  17. gizzy
    Posted October 4, 2011 at 1:01 pm | Permalink

    Well with the casting of a ‘Jeyne’ there would probably be an expansion in the Robb story, which will be interesting to see. Also i can’t wait to see the ‘Blackwater’ battle. I think it was a Hollywood Reporter or Access Hollywood interview where they confirmed that GRRM would be penning that episode. Can’t wait!!!…. :D

  18. Nick Larter
    Posted October 4, 2011 at 1:06 pm | Permalink

    Lisa,

    Well I’m calling it night’swatchhorsegate.

    It was reported in the icelandic media a few weeks ago that HBO could have a continuity problem on their hands, as there are no regular horses in Iceland and it’s illegal to import them. This is to protect the native icelandic horse, which looks a lot different from a regular horse, from diseases etc.

    So if any night’s watch are filmed mounted in Iceland they’re going to look a lot different :D

    I did tweet this a few weeks ago but it seems to have stayed below the radar – nobody I mentioned it to at Titancon had heard of it.

    My guess is that the Fist will be filmed in Ireland (as it has trees) and Iceland will only be used for the treeless scenes in the Frostfangs and that all the shooting in Iceland will show Qhorin’s party on foot.

  19. EvilPicnic
    Posted October 4, 2011 at 1:19 pm | Permalink

    Nick Larter
    Well I’m calling it night’swatchhorsegate.

    Hmm, this is quite interesting, and I would have assumed the production team would be on top of a problem like that, if it was a problem.

    But then again, I am no horsey expert, and I’m presuming most viewers aren’t either. Would we even notice the use of a different breed of horse? And if we did, is it wrong to think that the Watch might use more than one breed? The terrain is quite different north-of-the-wall after all.

  20. Franny Bee
    Posted October 4, 2011 at 1:20 pm | Permalink

    Nick Larter,

    The size/shape of the horses doesn’t affect the story that much. It’s easy to imagine they refreshed their mounts, are now using the smaller horses. They probably ate the other horses for that delicious thoroughbred sirloin ;)

  21. Lisa
    Posted October 4, 2011 at 1:24 pm | Permalink

    Nick Larter,

    Ah okay. Well, I knew that beforehand since I’m studying Icelandic among other things so I thought you meant something else. ;)

    The Icelandic horse doesn’t actually look that different from a regular horse imo, they are just a bit smaller and sturdier. Some people call them ponies since some types of the breed tend to be rather small but actually they are horses and can also be ridden by adults. :) And I think that the Icelandic horse actually fits better with GRRM’s description of the Night’s Watch horses which were described as shaggy garrons.

    But I agree, Iceland will probably only be used for the Frostfangs. I heard at TitanCon that they planned on shooting in Iceland for two weeks but I’m not quite sure about that, seems a bit short. I also heard another thing about an added scene in which we’re going to see the White Walkers again. I already sent Winter the details about that, so I’m not sure if I should post these on here. ;)

  22. gizzy
    Posted October 4, 2011 at 1:25 pm | Permalink

    Oh, and remember guys that they did say that ASOS would probably be 2 seasons, cuz let’s face it, that book got a lot of stuff going on…

  23. EvilPicnic
    Posted October 4, 2011 at 1:25 pm | Permalink

    And GRRM does use the term ‘garron’ a lot to describe the horses Night’s Watch uses – in-universe a ‘garron’ could be portrayed by a horse of this Icelandic breed (which wikipedia informs me are also small and hardy). I don’t see a problem.

  24. White Walker Warg
    Posted October 4, 2011 at 1:30 pm | Permalink

    Brian Baldinger,

    Yes, video games based on tv shows or movies are usually rushed out to capitalize on the name, and therefore are generally terrible. Only exception I’ve seen is Batman: Arkham Asylum.

  25. John
    Posted October 4, 2011 at 1:34 pm | Permalink

    Tar Kidho:
    Knurk,

    C’mon HBO, surely that is ample reason to cancel BE for the third season and use the freed funds and time slots for an extended season 3 of Thrones! ;)

    John,

    Knurk’s post was definitely more interesting than your reply…

    First, that was a terrible joke and if your actually serious keep in mind that BE is much more popular than GOT so they would cancel that first before BE even though i like GOT more . And second, i was just stating my opinion that i did not care about that offtopic comment , it was not meant to be interesting .

  26. Nick Larter
    Posted October 4, 2011 at 1:38 pm | Permalink

    Lisa,

    Yeah – it’s true the icelandic horse is probably a better fit to a night’s watch horse that a regular horse – a shaggy garron right enough. I suppose the point the article was making was the contrast with the horses the watch were shown riding out on in Episode 10! And they could always do a swap of a few mounts with Craster!

  27. John
    Posted October 4, 2011 at 1:40 pm | Permalink

    White Walker Warg:
    Brian Baldinger,

    Yes, video games based on tv shows or movies are usually rushed out to capitalize on the name, and therefore are generally terrible. Only exception I’ve seen is Batman: Arkham Asylum.

    I think that is a standalone game , not based on the movies .

  28. Lisa
    Posted October 4, 2011 at 1:43 pm | Permalink

    Nick Larter,

    Or maybe they could say that the horses shrunk when they got wet. ;) I doubt that anyone will pay too much attention to the horses anyway. Although, on a second thought, I’m not too sure about that with this fandom. :-D

  29. Ahorwitt
    Posted October 4, 2011 at 2:00 pm | Permalink

    This is how I roughed out major events in the second half of the season:

    Ep 5: Begins with Robb’s victory at Oxcross, Arya gets Jaqen’s offer to kill 3, ends with Renly’s death
    Ep 6: Tyrion sends Littlefinger to the Tyrells, riots erupt in King’s Landing, Mel births a shadow to take Storm’s End
    Ep 7: The Tullys move against Tywin and seem to win a victory, but at episode’s end Winterfell falls to Theon.
    Ep 8: “Deaths” of Bran/Rickon. Starks react: Cat frees Jaime, Robb sleeps with Jeyne. King’s Landing prepares for Stannis’ attack. Roose and Bloody Mummers take Harrenhal. House of the Undying.
    Ep 9: Battle of the Blackwater.
    Ep 10: The battle’s aftermath and the Lannister triumph. Arya escapes from Harrenhal. Jon joins the wildlings. Dany gets ships. Theon is betrayed, Winterfell is burned, Bran/Rickon are alive.

  30. andrea
    Posted October 4, 2011 at 2:08 pm | Permalink

    Hear Me Roar: since I don’t want to remember the exact sequence of storylines and each and every great moment of book two when I start watching S2.

    I think I´ll follow you on that.

  31. Nick Larter
    Posted October 4, 2011 at 2:27 pm | Permalink

    Lisa,

    This was the original article

    http://www.visir.is/islenski-hesturinn-i-game-of-thrones/article/2011709179975

    if we have any icelandic speakers on the board maybe they would spot more nuances – I was working from google translate which was pretty hit and miss :O

  32. Lisa
    Posted October 4, 2011 at 2:35 pm | Permalink

    Nick Larter,

    Thanks for the link. Unfortunately, my Icelandic isn’t that good, so I only understood some of it. But yeah, I think it was mainly about the horses and I think there was also something about extras in there (200?) I think and a mention of two weeks and November. So maybe, the rumour I heard at TitanCon that they’re going to shoot two weeks in Iceland was actually correct.

  33. stile
    Posted October 4, 2011 at 2:46 pm | Permalink

    I kind of hate to say this, but I would cut almost everybody’s FIRST chapter. Most of their trajectories are already established at the end of the first season, and for others we can have them explain along the way. Have Catelyn start out at Renly’s camp, Theon start out on the Iron Islands, Dany can certainly start out right at Qarth, and so on…

  34. OhDanyBoy
    Posted October 4, 2011 at 3:08 pm | Permalink

    White Walker Warg:
    Brian Baldinger,

    Yes, video games based on tv shows or movies are usually rushed out to capitalize on the name, and therefore are generally terrible. Only exception I’ve seen is Batman: Arkham Asylum.

    Well that’s a fairly useless statement, since both GoTG and B:AA were made totally independently of the movie/show that came out around the same time. Genesis has been in production for over 2 years and is based on the books. Unfortunately, the makers are a small budget company, and couldn’t manage the graphics to match up with the market standard. But I think the game-play is very fun when you get into it (which is difficult for some people who aren’t used to complex strategy games), and almost every review I’ve read agrees with me. It’s definitely a niche product, aimed at fans of the books and hardcore strategy gamers, but it by no means an awful game.

  35. Julian Walker
    Posted October 4, 2011 at 3:14 pm | Permalink

    I don’t think the Reeds have been cut as of right now, there are still at least 3 more months of filming. If they are now just getting Blackwater out of the way and we know that it doesn’t occur till episode 9, then perhaps they haven’t filmed too many Winterfell scenes.

    We do know that the Greyjoy scenes with Yara and Balon have been filmed, but has there been any reports of Alfie Allen filming with Issac Hempstead Wright?

  36. darrylzero
    Posted October 4, 2011 at 3:14 pm | Permalink

    stile,

    That makes some sense to me, but I’m having trouble figuring out how to build effectively toward Renly’s death being a big deal. If Jaime’s going to get extra screen-time, we need Cat to get back from her excursion kind of quickly, but if you kill Renly off too quickly, then his death is probably not going to feel very dramatic. That’s what I have trouble working out, anyway.

  37. Julian Walker
    Posted October 4, 2011 at 3:18 pm | Permalink

    I am going to cry if the Reeds are not featured. I don’t like the idea so far of Osha and Hodor going to a journey with Bran beyond the Wall. But who knows maybe it will work?

  38. Ed
    Posted October 4, 2011 at 3:47 pm | Permalink

    Oh God – you must not have been around when some were wringing their hands about the horses Drogo’s group rode… I’m with you though: It’s a horse – who gives a sh&t???

    EvilPicnic: Would we even notice the use of a different breed of horse?

  39. Ed
    Posted October 4, 2011 at 3:52 pm | Permalink

    That’s very interesting, I had not considered that. That could work, I think – good call.

    stile:
    I kind of hate to say this, but I would cut almost everybody’s FIRST chapter. Most of their trajectories are already established at the end of the first season, and for others we can have them explain along the way. Have Catelyn start out at Renly’s camp, Theon start out on the Iron Islands, Dany can certainly start out right at Qarth, and so on…

  40. Brian Baldinger
    Posted October 4, 2011 at 3:52 pm | Permalink

    OhDanyBoy: Well that’s a fairly useless statement, since both GoTG and B:AA were made totally independently of the movie/show that came out around the same time.Genesis has been in production for over 2 years and is based on the books.Unfortunately, the makers are a small budget company, and couldn’t manage the graphics to match up with the market standard.But I think the game-play is very fun when you get into it (which is difficult for some people who aren’t used to complex strategy games), and almost every review I’ve read agrees with me.It’s definitely a niche product, aimed at fans of the books and hardcore strategy gamers, but it by no means an awful game.

    I am both a hardcore strategy gamer and a huge fan of the books, and I find this game both clunky as a game and devoid of any real connection to the books. Based on your review I will give it another try, maybe I didn’t try it for long enough, but I am not optimistic.

  41. Blackfish Blues
    Posted October 4, 2011 at 4:37 pm | Permalink

    My Tully Zen helps me being calm and positive, but if Riverrun and the Tullys have been tullied, Jaime’s escape might become anticlimactic. His only conflict right now is with Cat, supposing Robb is away fighting and seducing exotic maidens or vice versa. I might like such a scenario because it’s almost theatrical, two people pitted against each other (three if Brienne is present) but is Cat going to suffer no consequence for her actions?

    And what about the Patrick Goldman audition circulating on Twitter? (I think the discovery must be credited as usual to our Rabbit.) It’s titled “The Northerners” but it fits Edmure perfectly. That’s a lot of lines to give to a mere extra.

  42. Ser Dunkin' Keith
    Posted October 4, 2011 at 4:49 pm | Permalink

    Just throwing this out there, how about ending season 2 with book 3’s prologue for that little wow/cliffhanger moment….

  43. The Rabbit
    Posted October 4, 2011 at 4:58 pm | Permalink

    Ser Dunkin’ Keith,

    I heard the same idea a couple of days ago. Liked it very much. Great cliffhanger for the NW storyarc.

  44. Chris
    Posted October 4, 2011 at 5:18 pm | Permalink

    Ed,

    I am with you guys, but I think there are valid concerns with the Icelandic horses, as they can have a really unique look.

    It seems like they will still film a lot of the NW stuff in Ireland again, since they should be in the forest for most of it. So they can maybe write something in that they have to specially use those Icelandic horses to get up into the Frostfangs which is likely to be filmed in Iceland it seems.

  45. Norlandria
    Posted October 4, 2011 at 5:29 pm | Permalink

    Nobody talks about sex scenes?

    Please, I want the creators of this website to make a topic about which sex scenes will have the second season

    speculate:

    Tyrion / Shae. (Probably)
    Cersei / Lancel (probably)
    Robb / Jeynes (?)
    Loras / Renly (?)
    Dany / Jorah (?)
    Teon /? (?)
    Sam / Gilly (?)
    Jon / Ygritte (probably)
    Joffrey /? (We have seen the case of Lisa Nolan, was a king’s whore)

  46. Ahorwitt
    Posted October 4, 2011 at 5:34 pm | Permalink

    Ser Dunkin’ Keith, the idea of ending S2 with the ASOS prologue has been tossed around, but I’m not a fan. I don’t think it fits tonally after all the falling action and tying up loose ends at the end of ACOK. I love ending S2 with the bittersweet scene where Winterfell burns but Bran and Rickon are revealed alive — maybe with “the wolves will come again. I dreamed it” moved into that scene.

  47. John
    Posted October 4, 2011 at 5:59 pm | Permalink

    Ahorwitt:
    Ser Dunkin’ Keith, the idea of ending S2 with the ASOS prologue has been tossed around, but I’m not a fan. I don’t think it fits tonally after all the falling action and tying up loose ends at the end of ACOK. I love ending S2 with the bittersweet scene where Winterfell burns but Bran and Rickon are revealed alive — maybe with “the wolves will come again. I dreamed it” moved into that scene.

    Scenes like that work in books , not in tv shows my friend. If you want to have viewers for the next season you have to do some type of cliffhanger like that or for example last season with the dragons, you need to have an exciting finale .

  48. Ginny
    Posted October 4, 2011 at 6:03 pm | Permalink

    Dany / Jorah (?)
    Sam / Gilly (?)

    … what book are you reading? :)

  49. Ahorwitt
    Posted October 4, 2011 at 7:48 pm | Permalink

    John: Scenes like that work in books , not in tv shows my friend. If you want to have viewers for the next season you have to do some type of cliffhanger like that or for example last season with the dragons, you need to have an exciting finale .

    None of my favorite TV shows — the Wire, the Sopranos, Deadwood, and Mad Men — has ever ended a season with a cliffhanger, so I don’t see why it’s necessary to throw one in there. Dany and the dragons was a great ending to S1 not simply because it was a cliffhanger but because her whole arc built up to just that moment. ACOK does not similarly build up to the Other attack and it would feel out of place tacked on to the end.

    Additionally, revealing the two dead Stark kids are alive is a great end to the season.

  50. Varamyr Fourskins
    Posted October 4, 2011 at 8:18 pm | Permalink

    I’m really curious as to how they’re going to pull of the HOTU. They didn’t use any flashbacks whatsoever during season 1, so it will be interesting to see how far they go with Dany’s visions. I was thinking they could cast Harry Lloyd to play the part of Rhaegar, if need be, because, if I remember correctly, Dany first thought she was watching Viserys before she figured out the vision was of Rhaegar. We haven’t heard any casting news to that effect, i.e. no Rhaegar, no Elia, no Aerys, so it makes me wonder. Could be they don’t plan on releasing that info to the public, but they seem pretty forthcoming with casting news otherwise, so I really have no clue. Maybe it would be spoilerish for the noobs?

  51. Kab
    Posted October 4, 2011 at 8:49 pm | Permalink

    stile:
    I kind of hate to say this, but I would cut almost everybody’s FIRST chapter. Most of their trajectories are already established at the end of the first season, and for others we can have them explain along the way. Have Catelyn start out at Renly’s camp, Theon start out on the Iron Islands, Dany can certainly start out right at Qarth, and so on…

    Dany really can’t..

    Lisa:
    Nick Larter,

    Thanks for the link. Unfortunately, my Icelandic isn’t that good, so I only understood some of it. But yeah, I think it was mainly about the horses and I think there was also something about extras in there (200?) I think and a mention of two weeks and November. So maybe, the rumour I heard at TitanCon that they’re going to shoot two weeks in Iceland was actually correct.

    “The Icelandic horse will be used in GoT, other horses can’t be used due to how sensitive the Icelandic horse is to diseases and so can’t bear to have foreign horses in their enviroment.

    According to the information *the newspaper in question* has recieved, 100 “statists”(I’m guessing this is extras) and 200 people overall will be working on the set. The taping will take place over two weeks and the idea is to use the short days that will then be taking place.

    *Yadayadayada general GoT info*”

    In a nutshell, and I’m kinda looking forward to this. I might go visit the set, I heard that Jon will be the only one to come visit though.

  52. userj
    Posted October 4, 2011 at 9:22 pm | Permalink

    I am hoping they move Dany’s first asos chapter up to S2 episode 10. It ends with a particular scene I would like to see very very much.

    Aaaand, back to our regularly scheduled programming!

    Re: Jaime.
    They can’t release Jaime too early, because Cat has to have heard about Rickon and Bran “dying” before Jaime is released. It could happen as early as say… episode 7? But not much before that. If they do it in epi 8, Bran (and Theon’s) fates could be left mysterious until episode 10, perhaps.

    ACOK does not similarly build up to the Other attack and it would feel out of place tacked on to the end.

    I beg to differ.
    Jon chapters consist of little else but build up to the Others’ attack which then happens in the prologue of aSoS. The entire audience is going to be wondering what happened to those creepy ice zombies?!? You’ve got to give them at least a taste every season… I really hope they end with Uooooooooooo uUOoooooooooooo UUUOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOooooooooooooooo!

  53. userj
    Posted October 4, 2011 at 10:00 pm | Permalink

    OMG
    BEARDED JAIME
    with HORSES
    and HIS SON
    PLAYING AT KNIGHTS
    ***EXPLODES***

  54. Blueberry2
    Posted October 4, 2011 at 11:20 pm | Permalink

    I hope they don’t skimp too much on the House of the Undying, it can be done fairly cheaply. I also hope to see some Others and wights, it might be hard for nonbook fans to stay engaged if they’re completely absent all season.

  55. Obsidian
    Posted October 4, 2011 at 11:28 pm | Permalink

    I Hoped they would use the horses..I love those little shaggy guys.. they have a really distinctive gait , too.

    They can be seen in Beowulf and Grendel. I always had them in mind when garrons were mentioned.

  56. Ahorwitt
    Posted October 4, 2011 at 11:44 pm | Permalink

    userj: Jon chapters consist of little else but build up to the Others’ attack

    The first half of Jon’s arc is Others setup, but the second half of Jon’s arc shelves it in favor of wildling setup, for which the appropriate conclusion is Jon killing Qhorin. I know the audience will wonder when the Others will do anything, but we’ve been wondering the same thing for years, it’s the nature of a 7-book/season story.

    Season 2 is at its core about Lannisters/Stannis/Renly and the fall of Winterfell. The last episode should be about tying up the loose ends with these two major arcs and sending Jon, Dany, Arya, and Bran on the next leg of their journeys — so introducing a huge new attack in a separate plotline doesn’t feel right to me. There are more than enough great moments already — show the Dany assassination attempt, Barristan meeting, and departure on her brand new ships; show Arya kill to escape Harrenhal; show Jon killing Qhorin; show Theon betrayed and Winterfell burning while Bran/Rickon survive.

  57. Winterdark
    Posted October 5, 2011 at 12:04 am | Permalink

    Okay guys, here’s my breakdown. I did kinda finnick with the timeline but this was really the only way I could make it all work and believe me I tried many ways. So please tell me what you think but be a little kind please cause I’ve been working on it all evening and almost all night.

    Episode 1
    Intro Maester cressen
    Robb sends Theon to Pyke and Catelyn to Bitterbridge
    Harvest feast at Winterfell, Bran meets Jojen and Meera. Bran dreams of Jojen and Meera touching Summer, awakened by Jojen
    Burning of the seven, Stannis decides to lay siege on Storm’s End.
    Sansa attend Joffrey’s name day celebraton saves Dontos Hollard. Tyrion surpirses Cersei and counsil with his return. Varys visits Shae
    Catelyn at Bitterbridge, the tourney and intro to Brienne, Messenger arrives saying Stannis is besieging Storm’s End
    Intro of Podrick Payne. Tyrion sents Slynt to the wall and Varys tells Tyrion about Maeghan and her baby.
    Theon meets with Damphair. Theon meets with Balon who refuses Robb’s offer and decides to sail for the north.

    Episode 2
    Theon meets Asha. Balon reveals his plans
    Jojen warns Bran he should leave Winterfell
    Cersei freaks out about Stannis’s letter. Tyrion meets with blacksmiths. Varys takes Tyrion to Shae’s manor
    Robb destorys a Lannister army at Oxcross, tells Manderly to kill Ramsay
    Arya heads north with Yoren and the Night’s Watch recruits
    Mormont and Jon talk history, find the village of Whitetree, intro Dolorous Edd
    Tyrion steals potion form Pycelle refuses Cersei’s demand that Tywin send an army. Promises Littlefinger Harrenhal, meets up with Varys
    Sansa meets with ser Dontos in the godswood.Encounters the Hound.
    Tyrion inpects wildfire with Hallyne. Cleos Frey send to treat with Robb. Cersei confronts Tyrion. Tyrion now knows who the traitor is.

    Episode 3
    Theon returns to his ship and wins Dagmer Cleftjaw over. Tells him to raid Thorrhen Square
    Luwin tells Bran of Robb’s recent victories. Bran warns everyone of Jojen’s dream but nobody believes him. Intro to Reek. Jojen warns Bran of Reek
    Stannis and Renly meet, Brienne and Catelyn bond
    Tyrion finds Cersei in her chamber with Lancel.Tyrion throws Pycelle in the dungeons.
    Robb defeats the Lanisters at Ashemark
    Arya and co encounter gold cloaks who are looking for Gendry
    Jon and co shelter at Craster’s keep. Intro to Gilly
    Daenarys and co suffer, find the city of Vaes Tolorro, sends her bloodriders out return with Pyat Pree, Xaro Xhoan Daxos and Quaithe
    Tyrion makes Lancel confess he had sex with Cersei.
    Catelyn visits Renly who is killed by a shadow.

    Episode 4
    Catelyn and Brienne are blamed for Renly’s death and flee
    Sansa visits Joffrey with the Hound. Joff has her stripped naked and beaten but the Hound stops it.
    Arya and co find a woman and her young daughter. Woman later dies.
    Brienne swears service to Catelyn. News of Jaime’s escape. Hoster babbles. Catelyn receives Ned’s bones
    Jon and co arrive at the Fist of the First Men
    Daenarys enters Qarth, takes up residence with Xaro, plots with Jorah on retaking Westeros.
    Bran dreams inside Summer. Theon takes Winterfell
    Arya and co end up in Harrentown which is burned by Armory Loch and Yoren is killed. Arya and co flee

    Episode 5
    News of Renly’s death arrives at King’s landing. Tyrion sends Littlefinger to arrange a mariage between Joffrey and Margaery
    Theon wakes in Winterfell to find that Bran and co are missing. Sets off with party to find them.
    Robb wins the battle at the Crag but is wounded.
    Arya reveals real indentity to Gendry. Group is caught by Gregor.
    Intro Qorin Halfhand, Jon and Qorin will travel into frostfangs
    Sansa meets Dontos in godswood. Then goes to meet the Hound. Sansa dreams then has her first flowering. Is brought before Cersei who mocks her.
    Arya imprisoned by Gregor with other villagers, taken to Harrenhal.

    Episode 6
    Ser Cortnay Penrose refuses to hand over Edric to Stannis. Davos smuggles Melisandre into Storm’s End where she births another shadow.
    Robb is tended by Jeyne Westerling and finds out Winterfell has been taken. Robb has sex with Jeyne. Then weds her.
    Edmure marches from Riverrun to meet Tywin. Catelyn learns of the death of Cortnay Penrose. Speaks to ser Cleos.
    Tyrion learns of Bran and Rickon. Cersei says she has Tyrion’s whore. Tyrion threatens Cersei.
    News arrives at Riverrun that Bran and Rickon are dead. Catelyn mourns her sons.
    Arya works in the kitchens of Harrenhal. Whispers a name to Jaqen. Name ends up dead.

    Episode 7
    Asha arrives at Winterfell. Reek volunteers ride for help. Boys who were killed weren’t Bran and Rickon.
    Myrcella departs for Dorne. On the return trip the party is assaulted by a mob.
    Arya beaten by Weese. Whispers name to Jaqen. Weese killed by his own dog.
    Daenarys’s plea is refused by the pureblood. Quaithe warns her to leave soon. Dany decides to visit the warlocks
    Tyrion meets with Lancel. Tyrion sends off Bronn. Varys as beggar suggest Shae attend Lollys.
    Theon watches his men flee from Rodrik Cassel. Considers taking the black untill Reek returns. Reek’s revealed to be Ramsay Bolton, betrays Theon, stabs Luwin and Burns Winterfell.

    Episode 8
    Bran, Rickon, Jojen, Meera, Osha and Hodor meet up with Luwin.
    Tyrion sends Shagga and clansmen of to harry Stannis
    Roose Bolton returns to Harrenhal. Arya whispers Jaqen’s name to Jaqen. Harrenhal Retaken. Arya becomes Roose’s cupbearer.
    Jon and co continue through skirling pass. Jon speaks with
    Qhorin about Mance rayder. Dreams he is inside Ghost.
    Dany visits house of undying. Has strange visions. Is attacked by the undying. Drogon burns down house. Daenarys attacked by Pyat Pree
    Davos leads assault on Blackwater bay. Is beset by wildfire. Tyrion’s chain is drawn up Davos is thrown form exploding ship.

    Episode 9
    Arya does her duties, finds a map and escapes with Gendry and Hot Pie
    Tyrion and Joffrey see that not all ships are burned. Joff has antler men trown at the ships. The Hound flees.
    Cersei holds a morale ball but it goes poorly. Order Joffrey back. Forces wine on Sansa
    Ebeen and Stonesnake send off. Qhorin tell Jon he must yield. Intro Rattleshirt. Jon is forced to fight and kill Halfhand. Rattleshirt takes Jon to Mance Rayder.
    Tyrion leads defences in King’s landing. Is betrayed by ser Mandon and cut across the face.

    Episode 10
    Lancel informs Cersei the battle is lost. Dontos warns Sansa to return to her chambers. Encounters the Hound. Dontos tells her Renly has shown up.
    Tywin’s fleet shows up with Garlan Ryrell dressed as Renly. Most of Stannis’s men change sides. Stannis escapes.
    Daenarys prepares to leave Qarth. Another assasination attempt is thwarted by Arstan Whitebeard and Strong Belwas. Daenarys goes with them.
    Joffrey bestows honors. Tywin takes over as hand. Mace Tyrell given seat on counsil. Joff disavows betrothal to Sansa and betroths Margaery. Joff calls for execution of traitors. Dontos tells Sansa she will be leaving soon.
    Tyrion wakes up, finds out he’s disfigured, father hand, Bronn knight
    Catelyn strikes a deal with Jaime

  58. christaline
    Posted October 5, 2011 at 12:32 am | Permalink

    Do you think Khal Drogo will be back for this season?

  59. sjwenings
    Posted October 5, 2011 at 12:48 am | Permalink

    christaline: Do you think Khal Drogo will be back for this season?

    Ofcourse! Ned, too!

  60. Nimble Dick
    Posted October 5, 2011 at 1:00 am | Permalink

    List of people i hope that die in the Second Season:
    Ned (Big time Shocker by bring him back and they kill him agian)
    Jon (Whines too much)
    Sam (He is slow and fat it is a given)
    Joffery (Bitch)
    Cersci (She slept with her Bro)
    Jonah (killed after sleeping with Deny)
    Tywin (Killed by a deer for revenge)
    Blackfish (Oh wait they have not casted him yet)
    Littlefinger (He gives me the creeps)
    Tommin (becasue i feel like it)

  61. Luana
    Posted October 5, 2011 at 1:12 am | Permalink

    Nick Larter:
    Lisa,

    Yeah – it’s true the icelandic horse is probably a better fit to a night’s watch horse that a regular horse – a shaggy garron right enough. I suppose the point the article was making was the contrast with the horses the watch were shown riding out on in Episode 10!Andthey could always do a swap of a few mounts with Craster!

    Huge continuity problem. The horses they rode out on were TBs, warmbloods, hunter-type horses. Suddenly they turn into Icelandic horses (which are pony-sized, and a very distinctive-looking breed). That will be glaringly obvious to everyone watching, whether they know anything about horses or not.

    Ed:
    Oh God – you must not have been around when some were wringing their hands about the horses Drogo’s group rode…I’m with you though:It’s a horse – who gives a sh&t???

    Let’s use a chihuahua for Ghost in the Icelandic scenes, then. Who gives a sh*t? A dog is a dog.

  62. Luana
    Posted October 5, 2011 at 1:19 am | Permalink

    Obsidian:
    I Hoped they would use the horses..I love those little shaggy guys.. they have a really distinctive gait , too.

    They can be seen in Beowulf and Grendel. I always had them in mind when garrons were mentioned.

    Yah, the mistake was made in that scene in Season 1 showing the NW leaving on their TBs and warmbloods. I laughed out loud, it was so ridiculous. Still, continuity problems. They should have had garrons to start with. Icelandic horses would have been an excellent choice.

  63. KG
    Posted October 5, 2011 at 1:25 am | Permalink

    Chris,

    Nope. Still don’t care. It’s a horse.

  64. Chris
    Posted October 5, 2011 at 1:33 am | Permalink

    KG,

    Oh.

  65. Luana
    Posted October 5, 2011 at 1:47 am | Permalink

    KG:
    Chris,

    Nope. Still don’t care. It’s a horse.

    Actually, I can understand where you’re coming from. Because I truly wouldn’t care if they replaced the Northern Inuits with Chihuahuas. It’s a dog. Who cares?

  66. Peter Jørgensen
    Posted October 5, 2011 at 1:49 am | Permalink

    Luana,

    They can just have Qhorin and the men from the Shadowtower arrive at the fist on the Icelandic horses. The men from the Shadowtower would normally be patrolling the area around the Milkwater and the frostfangs, and probably have more contact with the mountainclans, while Castle black is probably mostly patrolling the Haunted forest and sitting right on the Kingsroad has more contact with the south. The men that arrive with Qhorin is also generally described, as tough hairy and bearded. It would fit easthetically to have them arrive on the tougher, hairy Icelandic horses. and it would make sense for Qhorin and Jons party to use the icelandic horses when they go up into the Frostfangs. As Qhorins handpicked men, are later seen to be good mountaineers.

  67. Lex
    Posted October 5, 2011 at 2:00 am | Permalink

    LOL, are you guys arguing about horse continuity?

    It’s true, though, Icelandic horses DO look very different. I love them, but they do look different. It would be pretty noticeable continuity error, IMO.

  68. Luana
    Posted October 5, 2011 at 2:15 am | Permalink

    Lex:
    LOL, are you guys arguing about horse continuity?

    Ha ha, yes, it’s payback time! After reading pages and pages of arguments about heraldry and what dog breed should play the direwolves, I have to get in my two cents about the stuff that interests me! :-)

    Peter Jørgensen:
    Luana,

    They can just have Qhorin and the men from the Shadowtower arrive at the fist on the Icelandic horses. The men from the Shadowtower would normally be patrolling the area around the Milkwater and the frostfangs, and probably have more contact with the mountainclans, while Castle black is probably mostly patrolling the Haunted forest and sitting right on the Kingsroad has more contact with the south. The men that arrive with Qhorin is also generally described, as tough hairy and bearded. It would fit easthetically to have them arrive on the tougher, hairy Icelandic horses. and it would make sense for Qhorin and Jons party to use the icelandic horses when they go up into the Frostfangs. As Qhorins handpicked men, are later seen to be good mountaineers.

    This is an excellent suggestion, and would make me very happy. Especially if Qhorin hands Jon the reins of a particularly small and shaggy Icelandic, and makes fun of the horse Jon brought with him from Castle Black. You know nothing, Jon Snow.

    But they probably won’t use horses in the Iceland scenes at all, due to budget constraints. I’ll bet poor Jon and Qhorin and company will have to walk to the Frostfangs.

  69. Lisa
    Posted October 5, 2011 at 2:16 am | Permalink

    Luana: Actually, I can understand where you’re coming from. Because I truly wouldn’t care if they replaced the Northern Inuits with Chihuahuas. It’s a dog.Who cares?

    Just that the “dogs “ are important “characters“ and the horses are … not. I can understand that something like that bothers some people, especially if you are into horses and thus pay more attention to them. But the casual viewer most likely won’t see it. It’s just a detail.

  70. ANiceChianti
    Posted October 5, 2011 at 2:58 am | Permalink

    When reading this, I had a tendency to agree that the horses are not such a big deal. Then I looked at the link pictured and I have to admit that it would be weird to see the actors riding such tiny shaggy horses. Either way, it’s no big deal to me. Those little guys certainly look like they’d be well suited to an excursion beyond the wall, and they are adoreable, to boot!

  71. HonestJerk
    Posted October 5, 2011 at 3:22 am | Permalink

    MY FULL BREAK DOWN (just so I can complain they didn’t follow my brilliant breakdown)

    Episode One: The Comet
    Open on Dragonstone: Maester giving history lesson to Shireen (aka get a first-season recap out there). Maester gets called to room, tries to poison Mel and fails. Cut to Joffery’s name day scene where Tyrion arrives, Tyrion’s first council setting. Cut to Rodrik Cassel showing up at Winterfell, Bran gets update on brother’s war efforts. Cut to Robb’s camp, where Theon is sent to Iron Islands and Cat worries about daughters. Cut to Arya meeting Jaqen and then fighting with Hot Pie fight. Cut across narrow sea, Dany & Jorah decided to go southeast. Cut to north of Wall, Night’s Watch find village empty. Cut to King’s Landing, Tyrion sets up Shae in whorehouse… sees Janos Slynt & the City Watch kill whore & Robert’s baby bastard. Cut to Stannis watching Mel burn the 7. Cut to Robb’s camp where Robb listens as Jaime talks Mad King and wildfyre, Robb decides to take fighting west, Cat to Storm’s End. CLIFFHANGER END: King’s Road, Arya and Night’s Watch attacked by forces who want to kill Gendry.

    Episode 2: You Are Somebody
    Open on Yoren leading group across open field, Yoren & Arya bond. Cut to Theon landing on Iron Islands. Cut to Dany and camp feeding dragons. Cut to Tyrion sending Slynt to the Wall, and then scene with Maester about wildfyre. Cut to Stannis & Davos plotting aka Stannis wants Storm’s End. Cut to Night’s Watch arrival at Craster’s Keep. Cut to Robb leading army away from camp, leaving Bolton’s forces behind to guard Jaime. Cut to Sansa meeting her fool. Cut to Dany’s group facing the arrival of Qarth 3. Cut to Theon’s scene with father… father wants to attack the north. CLIFFHANGER END: Arya and company being attacked, Yoren dies, Jaqen freed.

    Episode 3: Brienne the Beauty
    Catelyn arrives at Renly’s camp which in the tv show would be outside Storm’s End, Cat meets Brienne, Loras, Margaert and Renly. Tyrion gets the town working on a chain. Theon “re-meeting” his sister. Jon & Sam meeting Gilly. Robb sends peace offer to King’s Landing. Arya, Gendry & Hot Pie being caught by Mountain’s men. Team Dany arrives in Qarth. Bran feasts northern lords and meets Reeds. Tyrion pitches 3 weddings of Myrcella to Varys, Pycelle & Littlefinger. Greyjoy’s plot their attack. CLIFFHANGER END: Stannis arrives at Storm’s End.

    Episode 4: The Night is Dark and full of Terrors
    Stannis, Renly & Cat meet are argue their respective points. Bran & Reeds discuss green dreams. Arya & friends arrive at Harrenhall. Post-battle Robb’s victory over western lords, he send Bolton and forces to draw Tywin’s forces west. Tyrion & Cersei share a laugh. Night’s Watch moves on to the Fist. Dany has first meeting with Qarth higher ups. Jaqen arrives at Harrenhall, sees Arya, informs her of 3 lifes. CLIFFHANGER END: Renly meeting the shadow.

    Episode 5: The Baby
    Brienne & Cat escape north to Riverlands. Theon’s team plunders northern coast, plots plan for Winterfell. Angry at Robb’s victories, Joff takes it out on Sansa, whom Tyrion saves. Ghost & Jon find dragonglass, horn, etc at Fist. Tyrion sends Robb’s peace offer crew back to Robb. Stannis and Mel have sexless sex. Arya gets her first victim. Reeds warn of Winterfell drowning. CLIFFHANGER END: Davos paddles Mel up to Storm’s End… the baby is born.

    Episode 6: Winterfell Drowns
    Tyrion realizes that Pycelle is the sellout, puts him in cell. Cat & Brienne arrive back at north camp. Dany is told to go west to go east. Robb is injured, meets Jeyne. Tyrion gets Cersei to agree to Myrcella to Dorne. Sansa’s fool tells her the date for her escape. The Bear sets up Jon with Halfhand. Arya gets second victim. Jaime’s failed escape attempt. Myrcella is put on boat; King’s Landing mob riot the Lannisters. CLIFFHANGER ENDING: Winterfell falls.

    Episode 7 : The Kingslayer’s Word
    Roose & company arrive as prisoners at Harrenhall. Tyrion sends Littlefinger to Highgarden. Theon kills his own bad man. Jeyne & Robb bond. Team Stannis arrive back at Dragonstone, plot next move. Jon & friends start climb up mountain. Tywin takes most of his forces west to meet Robb. Tyrion realizes the city hates him. Dany comes to see House of Undying as only option. Cat & Jaime come to understanding. CLIFFHANGER END: Arya & Jaqen free Roose’s men, Harrenhall falls.

    Episode 8: A Song of Ice & Fire
    Jaime wakes up with Brienne & other on the way back to King’s Landing. Team Bran plot their escape. Davos meets with sons, plan the attack. As Jaqen leaves, Arya realizes that things aren’t better in Harrenhall. Team Jon come across wilding army, Ygritte’s forces. Theon wakes up to the Starks gone; he and Reek start searching. HUGE FINAL CHUCK – Dany’s trip through the House of the Undying. CLIFFHANGER ENDING: Theon returns with the 2 dead boys.

    Episode 9: Blackwater Bay
    Word of Bran & Rickon’s fate reaches Robb, he turns to Jeyne for comfort. Cat gets the word, wants to head to Riverrun. Theon’s sis comes to tell him ‘it’s over’. Jon kills wildings except Ygritte. CLIFFHANGER: Last 30 minutes is the whole Blackwater chapters.

    Episode 10: I’m not dead either
    Davos surfaces on an island. Dany decides to head home. Jon takes the final steps to start his next assignment. To protect Jeyne’s honor, Robb breaks a vow. Jaime & Brienne fight, then work together to escape northern forces. Tyrion wakes up in his condition. Tyrells are paraded into throne room, Sansa realizes her fate. Dany’s team meet Whitebeard. Bolton forces meet Theon and Rodrick at Winterfell. Arya and friends move on from Harrenhall. The Ghosts of Winterfell rise from the crypt and split up. CLIFFHANGER ENDING, As Sam & friends practice archery at the Fist, the Others surround them.

  72. Tar Kidho
    Posted October 5, 2011 at 3:25 am | Permalink

    Although I agree that Iceland horses look very particular (grew up with a sister that had horses so I’m slightly brainwashed in this domain…), I’m much more eager to find out which breed will be playing the Halfhand!

  73. Norlandria
    Posted October 5, 2011 at 7:39 am | Permalink

    Ginny: … what book are you reading? :)

    Yes. But that does not mean anything. You must know very well that there will be changes in the series. For example: In the book has reference system of Lancel and Cersei but I’m sure that showed a scene of sex.

  74. Nick Larter
    Posted October 5, 2011 at 7:49 am | Permalink

    So it would appear that night’swatchhorsegate does validly exist, at least in a small way. It wouldn’t seem that the continuity issues are insurmountable – if everything up to and including the Fist is filmed in Ireland, then they could either opt to film Qhorin’s party on foot in Iceland, or else have the Shadow Tower folks show up on Icelandic horses and then have Qhorin’s party set off on them. I reckon it would be pretty easy to find a few Icelandic type ponies in Ireland if they needed to use them in some of the scenes here.

  75. you-know-nothing
    Posted October 5, 2011 at 10:09 am | Permalink

    Hey guys,

    How do we know that this season will be 10 eps, is that an assumption because the last series was or have we had a confirmation that i missed?

  76. Queensmoot
    Posted October 5, 2011 at 10:25 am | Permalink

    I guess this is a spoiler thread by definition – but **ACOK/ maybe ASOS SPOILERS** anyway.

    Sorry if this has been discussed previously, but the talk of Selmy and the assassination attempt got me thinking. How are they going to handle those kinds of reveals?

    Even with a beard, viewers of the series will recognize Ian McElhinney almost instantly. I originally didn’t plan on reading the books, so I spoiled basically up to ADWD before I read, so I spent that time anticipating the reveal I knew was coming and wondering how Dany would react. That didn’t ruin my experience with that arc, and I’d like to think that that suspense of her reaction would carry many viewers. It’s also possible that viewers won’t remember Selmy. Old British guys do kinda look alike, and he only had so much screen time last season.

    Some of the other reveals will be easier, like when Cersei threatens Tyrion with Shea/Alayaya before the Blackwater. I guess they can just keep her in the shadows until the reveal.

    Oh, and I love Boardwalk Empire!! Not as good as GoT, but still great and the last episode was excellent. It’s just a bit slow, but it’s character driven, slowness comes with the territory.

  77. userj
    Posted October 5, 2011 at 10:29 am | Permalink

    My Dany breakdown (I don’t remember what happens to anyone else… >.>)

    Ep 1: Red Waste/Doreah dies along with half the Khalasaar. The dragons are shown in cages and they get their names (2 scenes).
    Ep 2: Arrival in ruined city/oasis. Rakharo and 2 others are sent off. Jorah brings Dany a peach, tells her about Lynesse (2 scenes).
    Ep 3: Rakharo (or new guy) returns with the 3 Qartheen (1 scene).
    Ep 4: Arrival in Qarth, Dany moves into Xaro’s palace, Jorah is suspicious. Jorah brings news from the docks that Robert is dead (2 scenes).
    Ep 5: Negotiation with Xaro and others in Qarth (incl. marriage offer from Xaro), exposition about Qarth, people bringing Dany gifts to see the dragons. Dragons are shown in cages. (1-2 scenes)
    Ep 6: Xaro gets pushy about marriage/gift. Jorah advises Dany to leave Qarth immediately. Dany decides to go to HotU as a last ditch effort – cliffhanger, she enters (2 short scenes).
    Ep 7: House of the Undying. Drogon is with her (1 long scene).
    Ep 8: They are kicked out of Xaro’s Palace. Qaithe says “To go west you must go east, to go forward you must go back.” Sorrowful man assassination attempt foiled by Arstan. They all get on the boats (2 scenes).
    Ep 10: Dany’s dragons fly for the first time over the ocean. Jorah convinces Dany to go to Slaver’s Bay to get an army, then kisses her (2 scenes).

  78. Joshua Taylor
    Posted October 5, 2011 at 10:31 am | Permalink

    John,

    Then again, the majority of Unsullied Viewers hated the season 1 finale minus Dany and her children. And here’s the thing, the fantasy brand to which Game of Thrones has been given for obvious reasons have brought over many people who do not watch The Wire, Deadwood, Sopranos or Mad Men (excellent HBO series + 1 AMC series) but who watch network fare like Lost, BSG, Fringe, Heroes, 24 etc.

    Now I am in no way impugning these shows (well maybe Heroes) because I watch them in addition to premium cable show’s like GoT. But it is this particular demographic of newbies who EXPECT cliffhangers in their season finales. Therefore if GoT is going to survive I think there will have to be a compromise between an HBO series formula and the addictive genre show formula.

    I hope I’m making sense here.

  79. Hear Me Roar
    Posted October 5, 2011 at 10:46 am | Permalink

    Oh, and I fully expect the appropriate reponse to my first comment to be: so what.

  80. Ahorwitt
    Posted October 5, 2011 at 10:57 am | Permalink

    HonestJerk, I agree with a lot of yours. Here are the few logistical problems I see:

    The biggest problem is that you have Cat release Jaime before getting the Bran/Rickon news. I don’t think it’s plausible for Cat to betray her brother until she’s put in a truly desperate place. I envision Winterfell falling at the end of Ep 7 and things spiraling out of control immediately in the beginning of Ep 8, with the “two dead kids” revelation about 20 minutes in. Then the rest of the episode can be split between Stark reaction to this (Robb/Jeyne, Cat/Jaime), buildup to the Blackwater, and the Undying.

    Overall I think the complex storyline of the 5-way war requires showing major events happen in one locale and then showing characters in other locales reacting to these events in the same or the very next episode. That’s why I think Winterfell’s fall has to happen at the end of Ep 7 rather than Ep 6 — because otherwise Catelyn and Robb would have to remain ignorant of it for several episodes in a row). I also like juxtaposing the apparent military triumph of Edmure (no I don’t believe he’s cut) over Tywin with the fall of Winterfell in the same episode.

    The same applies for many of the Lannister/Baratheon events. For instance, if an episode ends with Renly’s death, then early in the next episode Tyrion should gets the news and immediately try to take advantage of the new opportunity by sending LF to the Tyrells. There’s also a great scene in that chapter where Tyrion and Cersei brag about how things are going so great because Stannis will be stuck at Storm’s End for months. That can be near the end of the episode and cut right to Davos / Mel / shadowbaby to end it. This sort of stuff will be necessary to make the complex plot make sense.

    Joshua Taylor:
    But it is this particular demographic of newbies who EXPECT cliffhangers in their season finales. Therefore if GoT is going to survive I think there will have to be a compromise between an HBO series formula and the addictive genre show formula.

    The show will be fine. S2 is packed full of action and drama, and there will be a great cliffhanger at the end of practically every episode. No one is going to quit because the finale ends with the revelation that two dead characters are actually alive, rather than “ooo ooo ooo.” No need to dumb it down by shoehorning in “kewl” cliffhangers that don’t make logistical sense.

  81. Pau Soriano
    Posted October 5, 2011 at 11:14 am | Permalink

    Horses? Really? Guys…

  82. Winter Is Coming
    Posted October 5, 2011 at 11:15 am | Permalink

    you-know-nothing:
    Hey guys,

    How do we know that this season will be 10 eps, is that an assumption because the last series was or have we had a confirmation that i missed?

    It was noted at the time of the second series pickup that it would be 10 episodes by HBO executives in an interview with EW. This number was confirmed when we learned that episode nine would feature the Battle of the Blackwater (meaning there wouldn’t be enough story afterwards to fill 3 more episodes).

  83. you-know-nothing
    Posted October 5, 2011 at 11:24 am | Permalink

    Winter Is Coming,

    Thanks :-D

  84. Kroket
    Posted October 5, 2011 at 11:26 am | Permalink

    Brian Baldinger:
    Sorry to de-rail, but warning: “Game of Thrones: Genesis”is not a fun game.

    Sadly i think you are right. Just played through the tutorial and started the campaign but quit after 15 minutes. It’s really sad that the name ‘game of thrones’ is attached to this game… Graphics are either ‘2003’ or ‘facebook game level’ depending on which one you prefer. It might be an RTS but so far i was just running around with envoys through dorne ‘creating’ alliances with towns. Really odd Dorne isn’t that inhabited?! To top things off i can’t even save apparently you need to reach checkpoints?!
    LEt’s hope the RPG is better but i am afraid Cyanide is just a bad company… too bad Betehsda didnt jump in on the oppurtinity…

  85. ASOIAF_Addict
    Posted October 5, 2011 at 11:48 am | Permalink

    Kroket,

    I’m happier with Cyanide, Bethesda just butchered the Fallout series, turned the best rpg ever into a FPS joke. Dropping the story, gameplay and total liberty of players and putting every ressources they had to make a 10h long game not even that beautyful just does’nt cut it. Oblivion was kind of lame too, no story, loosy gameplay (good luck if you want to maximize every level of your character) and i’m a RPG fan and a fallout (1/2) uber-fan so i came to these games with more than an open mind.

    I agree that Genesis isn’t what i was hoping for but story-wise it stays on the high-end of STR games and it’s kind of original so i’m not loosing hope for the RPG.

  86. stile
    Posted October 5, 2011 at 1:35 pm | Permalink

    darrylzero: stile, That makes some sense to me, but I’m having trouble figuring out how to build effectively toward Renly’s death being a big deal. If Jaime’s going to get extra screen-time, we need Cat to get back from her excursion kind of quickly, but if you kill Renly off too quickly, then his death is probably not going to feel very dramatic. That’s what I have trouble working out, anyway.

    I think they’ve already done almost all the dramatic groundwork they needed to, just by expanding his role in the first season. His death in the book was a big “who cares?” moment for me, because I didn’t really see what was so important about him. Setting up his bid for the crown back in ep5 or whatever will help people to realize that he may not be a major character, but at least he’s one of the more important minor ones. I wish we’d gotten a few seconds of him in the finale, though, just to remind people that he’s still around.

    So all they really need to do this point to establish him in the second season is have Catelyn and Robb discussing him, then some Lannisters worrying about him, and Stannis worrying about him, and then you can jump right into his tourney, the introduction of Brienne, then he gets to eat a peach and poof he’s dead three minutes later. He could be gone by the end of the second episode and it’d still have dramatic impact.

  87. Norlandria
    Posted October 5, 2011 at 1:44 pm | Permalink

    Hear Me Roar or Winter Is Coming.
    Have you read my comment? Is it too much to ask you to do a topic about which sex scenes are displayed in the second season?

    Norlandria:
    Nobody talks about sex scenes?

    Please, I want the creators of this website to make a topic about which sex scenes will have the second season

    speculate:

    Tyrion / Shae. (Probably)Cersei / Lancel (probably)Robb / Jeynes (?)Loras / Renly (?)Dany / Jorah (?)Teon /? (?)Sam / Gilly (?)Jon / Ygritte (probably)Joffrey /? (We have seen the case of Lisa Nolan, was a king’s whore)

    Pleaseeeee :D

  88. KG
    Posted October 5, 2011 at 2:37 pm | Permalink

    Luana,

    I wouldn’t, actually. Go back to the initial dog arguments, and I said I’d rather see a poodle wearing an “I am a direwolf” sign stuck on it than bad CGI.

    It’s called imagination.

  89. Zack
    Posted October 5, 2011 at 5:27 pm | Permalink

    Queensmoot: Even with a beard, viewers of the series will recognize Ian McElhinney almost instantly. I originally didn’t plan on reading the books, so I spoiled basically up to ADWD before I read, so I spent that time anticipating the reveal I knew was coming and wondering how Dany would react. That didn’t ruin my experience with that arc, and I’d like to think that that suspense of her reaction would carry many viewers

    It will simply be a case of the viewer having information Dany doesn’t. That’s not a problem.

  90. Ed
    Posted October 5, 2011 at 6:10 pm | Permalink

    I like this!

    userj:
    My Dany breakdown (I don’t remember what happens to anyone else…>.>)

    Ep 1: Red Waste/Doreah dies along with half the Khalasaar. The dragons are shown in cages and they get their names (2 scenes).
    Ep 2: Arrival in ruined city/oasis. Rakharo and 2 others are sent off. Jorah brings Dany a peach, tells her about Lynesse (2 scenes).
    Ep 3: Rakharo (or new guy) returns with the 3 Qartheen (1 scene).
    Ep 4: Arrival in Qarth, Dany moves into Xaro’s palace, Jorah is suspicious.Jorah brings news from the docks that Robert is dead (2 scenes).
    Ep 5: Negotiation with Xaro and others in Qarth (incl. marriage offer from Xaro), exposition about Qarth, people bringing Dany gifts to see the dragons. Dragons are shown in cages. (1-2 scenes)
    Ep 6: Xaro gets pushy about marriage/gift.Jorah advises Dany to leave Qarth immediately.Dany decides to go to HotU as a last ditch effort – cliffhanger, she enters (2 short scenes).
    Ep 7: House of the Undying. Drogon is with her (1 long scene).
    Ep 8: They are kicked out of Xaro’s Palace.Qaithe says “To go west you must go east, to go forward you must go back.” Sorrowful man assassination attempt foiled by Arstan. They all get on the boats (2 scenes).
    Ep 10: Dany’s dragons fly for the first time over the ocean. Jorah convinces Dany to go to Slaver’s Bay to get an army, then kisses her (2 scenes).

  91. Superdeluxe
    Posted October 5, 2011 at 6:32 pm | Permalink

    Still can’t see how you cut the reeds unless grrm has confided to D&D that the reeds are not important to the end game

  92. Ed
    Posted October 5, 2011 at 6:43 pm | Permalink

    Luana: Yah, the mistake was made in that scene in Season 1 showing the NW leaving on their TBs and warmbloods. I laughed out loud, it was so ridiculous.

    Really? While I appreciate your expertise in the area of horses, 99% of us out here had NO idea of what you just typed about. TBs and Warmbloods? Okay, fair enough.

  93. Assunta
    Posted October 5, 2011 at 8:01 pm | Permalink

    Luana: Yah, the mistake was made in that scene in Season 1 showing the NW leaving on their TBs and warmbloods. I laughed out loud, it was so ridiculous. Still, continuity problems. They should have had garrons to start with. Icelandic horses would have been an excellent choice.

    TOTALLY agree with you! I snorted when I saw Jon’s grey in Episode 10. Cause, yea, a 16+ hand TB is such an easy keeper and won’t flip it’s cookies at snow falling from a tree branch. Pretty sure that in less than a mile the entire company would be walking with aching arses and the horses will already be back at the Wall banging on the gate. Icelandic horses really do look as different from TBs as one can get and still be in the same gene pool. My hope is that they will trade out horses as some point saying that the wee shaggy beasties are more surefooted for the terrain.

    With regard to everyone else’s apathy; I get it. As much as I don’t care about whether sword fights are executed “properly” as long as they look bad ass to my neophite eye, I can see where a horse is a horse is a horse to someone else.

  94. Assunta
    Posted October 5, 2011 at 8:03 pm | Permalink

    Ed: Really? While I appreciate your expertise in the area of horses, 99% of us out here had NO idea of what you just typed about. TBs and Warmbloods? Okay, fair enough.

    Always wanted to be a 1%er!

  95. userj
    Posted October 5, 2011 at 8:06 pm | Permalink

    Ed:
    I like this!

    Yay! I spent way too much time thinking about this but I’m glad someone liked it. ;)

    Maybe people who are “experts” at the other PoV’s could plot them out? I’ve never been satisfied by others’ attempts at scripting out Dany so I suppose I’d do a very poor job at someone like Jon or Tyrion.

    Norlandria:
    Hear Me Roar or Winter Is Coming.Have you read my comment? Is it too much to ask you to do a topic about which sex scenes are displayed in the second season?
    Pleaseeeee :D

    Lol if you are not Julandro you are his twin.

    As for sex uuuhh. I suppose we will see something for Robb/Jeyne, Stannis/Melisandre, Cersei/Lancel, tons of Tyrion/Shae, not to mention Roz/everyone. Other than that…? I doubt it. Maybe we’ll see Jorah and Dany kiss but sex would be unacceptably noncanon IMO. And I think they should build some attraction between Sam and Gilly, and Jon and Ygritte respectively, but no sex this season.

  96. Luana
    Posted October 5, 2011 at 9:08 pm | Permalink

    Assunta: TOTALLY agree withyou!I snorted when I saw Jon’s grey in Episode 10.Cause, yea, a 16+ hand TB is such an easy keeper and won’t flip it’s cookies at snow falling from a tree branch.

    Reading ADWD made me wonder if GRRM had the same reaction to how that scene was filmed.

    He describes the horse that Jon Snow rides to greet Tormund and his wildlings at the Wall as a tall, spirited, grey thoroughbred-type, and has Jon think to himself that this horse looks impressive, but is totally unsuitable for taking out on a ranging.
    Seems to me that GRRM went out of his way here, and in several other places in ADWD, to let us know that yes, he does know a horse from a hole in the ground.

  97. Giantsbaby
    Posted October 6, 2011 at 2:57 am | Permalink

    First three Arya chapters could be cut from the story without losing anything. Also Aeron will be pushed back and Asha will take his place in the first Theon chapter.

  98. Sid
    Posted October 6, 2011 at 3:42 am | Permalink

    userj: Jon chapters consist of little else but build up to the Others’ attack which then happens in the prologue of aSoS. The entire audience is going to be wondering what happened to those creepy ice zombies?!? You’ve got to give them at least a taste every season… I really hope they end with Uooooooooooo uUOoooooooooooo UUUOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOooooooooooooooo!

    Now that is how you end a season! Everyone will be pissed (like Sam), but cravin’ (like Sam?) for more.

  99. Norlandria
    Posted October 6, 2011 at 7:05 am | Permalink

    userj,

    Hehehehehe ….. I am not julandro. You do not know who is julandro.

    And thanks for answering. It is true that in this part of the book has little sex. I’m sure the creators show less sex scenes. I do not think that is like the first season.

  100. Norlandria
    Posted October 6, 2011 at 7:14 am | Permalink

    userj,

    Hehehehehe ….. I am not julandro. You do not know who is julandro.

    And thanks for answering. It is true that in this part of the book has little sex. I’m sure the creators show less sex scenes. I do not think that is like the first season.

  101. the goat
    Posted October 6, 2011 at 7:15 am | Permalink

    alex,

    Brian Baldinger,

    Mike Johnson,

    The Rabbit,

    Brad Villane,

    Nick Larter,

    Lisa,

    Knurk,

    Honest Jerk,

    Tar Kidho,

    John,

    gizzy,

    EvilPicnic,

    Franny Bee,

    White Walker Warg,

    Ahorwitt,

    andrea,

    stile,

    OhDanyBoy,

    Julian Walker,

    darrylzero,

    Ed,

    Brian Baldinger,

    Blackfish Blues,

    Ser Dunkin’ Keith,

    Lisa Mac,

    Norlandria,

    Ginny,

    Varamyr Fourskins,

    Kab,

    userj,

    Blueberry2,

    Obsidian,

    Winterdark,

    christaline,

    sjwenings,

    Nimble Dick,

    Luana,

    KG,

    Peter Jørgensen,

    Lex,

    ANiceChianti,

    you-know-nothing,

    Queensmoot,

    Joshua Taylor,

    Pau Soriano,

    Kroket,

    ASOIAF_Addict,

    Zack,

    Superdeluxe,

    Giantsbaby,

    Sid,

    Here is a list of people that believes in nothing. I heart you all.

    Fucking horsegate. Glorious.

    Seven more months…

  102. Norlandria
    Posted October 6, 2011 at 7:29 am | Permalink

    the goat,

    What? I do not understand.

  103. the goat
    Posted October 6, 2011 at 7:56 am | Permalink

    This doesn’t have anything to do with anything, really. Perhaps the absurdity.

    Anyway, its hilarious:
    http://www.colbertnation.com/the-colbert-report-videos/398919/october-04-2011/bocephus–eternal-question

  104. the goat
    Posted October 6, 2011 at 8:03 am | Permalink

    Norlandria,

    Its just jokes. (Taxi Driver/Lebowski reference, technically). Nothing to be alarmed about.

    Anything to pass the time.

  105. you-know-nothing
    Posted October 6, 2011 at 8:22 am | Permalink

    the goat,

    Ahhh, i heart you too. 7 months indeed xx

  106. Winterdark
    Posted October 6, 2011 at 8:29 am | Permalink

    the goat,

    Yay I’m a nihilist! (But I still got all my toes)

  107. hydr0x1de
    Posted October 6, 2011 at 8:59 am | Permalink

    Some thoughts:
    * I started blocking out episodes, but (as for others) the knot is how Catelyn gets to Renly, and Renly gets to Stannis, and Bran and Rickon get “killed”, and Catelyn gets back to release Jaime early enough.
    * The burning of the seven and the presentation of Lightbringer to happen in ep 1 before death of Cressen. Davos to speak with Stannis in ep 2.
    * Weasel cut – Arya gets the nickname from Gendry.
    * Scene with both Theon and Catelyn leaving in ep 1.
    * Sexposition for Theon on ship in ep 2 as a spacer.
    * Joffrey’s tourney in episode 2
    * Rakharo returns at end of ep 2 with the trio (only approach shown)
    * Yara to take Theon to Balon and reveal done there (but reaction in ep 4).
    * End of ep 3 to be Balon declaring war (before is too crowded)
    * Bronn to replace Jacelyn Bywater
    * I think Winterfell can fall ep 5, with wrap up early in ep 6
    * Benjen (returning at end of ep 2.1) could almost sub for Quorin and STILL be eligible to be Coldhands. The thing that doesn’t make this work for me is that Jon would end up kinslaying…
    * Jaime’s rescue by the mummer, etc, succeeds but he’s recaptured an episode or two later.
    * Osha and Hodor to take Bran north.
    * One Reed is probably helpful, but both are unnecessary. Jojen could be the ward of Manderley to introduce them in the same scene, and to allow Jojen to take Rickon in the direction of White Harbour. Manderley – assuming he appears – will be an extra replaced in Season 4 by a name actor.
    * Shae will be mysterious and sneaky.
    * If Ramsay Bolton hasn’t been cut in favour of Roose only, then maybe Lady Hornwood might remain in.

  108. Sid
    Posted October 6, 2011 at 9:29 am | Permalink

    the goat,

    Man! You must be bored out of your mind! :)

    More time passing activities…

    I’d like to take inspiration from a favorite writer of mine (yes, I have others, gasp!) and say that wizards don’t believe in gods. As they know they exist, and can see them and speak to them, it would make as much sense as to claim that they believe in tables…

    Who is the writer?

  109. Blackfish Blues
    Posted October 6, 2011 at 10:26 am | Permalink

    the goat,
    “Thou talk’st of nothing.”
    “True, I talk of dreams, which are the children of an idle brain, begot of nothing but vain fantasy…”

    Winterdark,
    you’re entering a world of pain, man. I did not watch my buddies die face down in the muck so that we should be here arguing about horses instead of fish.

  110. andrea
    Posted October 6, 2011 at 10:41 am | Permalink

    horses, fishes, Colbert show, Romeo and Juliet… people, you make me happy.

  111. Roger S
    Posted October 6, 2011 at 11:33 am | Permalink

    Sid:
    the goat,

    Man! You must be bored out of your mind! :)

    More time passing activities…

    I’d like to take inspiration from a favorite writer of mine (yes, I have others, gasp!) and say that wizards don’t believe in gods. As they know they exist, and can see them and speak to them, it would make as much sense as to claim that they believe in tables…

    Who is the writer?

    The answer is Terry Pratchet. I know this because I googled.

    Next now, next now, next now many ten thousand boot striding. Tread stomp face stuffed bear. Row after row operative stomping boot down atop face stitched black button eyes, saturated blood of dead lunatic. Each stomp wring blood out stuffing, press fur more flat. Each row, bear squeezed more dry. Chewed below tread of battle tank, grinded on pavement stone until vomit stuffing, repeat so bled dry, stomped empty. More small, more small particles until small bear never exist. Erased.

  112. KG
    Posted October 6, 2011 at 2:06 pm | Permalink

    Ed,

    Some people only possess one area of expertise, Ed. They long for a chance to flaunt it, even if no one else cares :)

  113. Roger S
    Posted October 6, 2011 at 3:09 pm | Permalink

    Sweet. Here’s my own breakdown. It is HIGHly speculative.

    Ep1. 15 minute intro in a part of the country we won’t be seeing for the rest of the season. Everyone dies at the end except the monsters which we wont’ see for the rest of the season. 45 minutes of costumes and faces, some idle dialogue. Close up of Jaime Lannister. Meanwhile, there are reports about dragons and direwolves growing somewhere. Cut to a sex scene in a brothel in (probably) Mole’s Town where Jon Snow is not part of but his friends are. Osha Hodor and Brann leave for the wall.

    Ep2. Faceless guards give chase. Their capes are greenish. Tyrion makes a joke in court. No one laughs, except Bronn. In Dragonkeep, a close up of Stannis’ unsmiling face. Meanwhile, in the red keep, a close up of Littlefinger’s cunning half smile. Meanwhile back in red keep, a mob of 3 extras grab at Sansa’s heels who nearly faints but is saved by the hound. They lock eyes for two seconds and she forces her eyes away from his ruined face.

    Ep3. Open with a gay man on man sex scene with loud slurping. Pan to war camp. Dialogue about going to war. Meanwhile Brann has a dream and he tries to explain it to Osha who is uninterested. Meanwhile elsewhere, Daenerys extra-enunciates monologue about how slaves ain’t right. Dragons are in the back yard off camera, getting bigger, she reports. Meanwhile, Yarra Greyjoy steps on her brother’s brand new white sneakers. Meanwhile, back in the red keep Tyrion makes a quip.

    Ep4. Despite many Tyrion putdowns, King Joffrey is extra annoying here. And poor Sansa. The hound makes himself sympathetic to audience by stealthily taking her side. Meanwhile, Robb meets his new girlfriend and chases her around the warcamp while Bolton is desperately trying to keep his attention.

    Ep5. Up in the north, Donnie Brasco, I mean Jon Snow, meets a fake red head who teaches him how to do it wildling style. Cut to sex scene. Idle chit chat. Lady in red poops out a black baby who goes and kills Renly, ends homoerotic slurping sex scene for good. Drama ensues which includes a skinny long-haired blonde youth screaming incoherently, running naked through a warcamp. Meanwhile, in the red keep, Shae is doing it doggie style with Tyrion who is simultaneously making jokes with Bronn drinking shots. Meanwhile, Osha is talking about Hodor’s thing again to Brann, who is uninterested.

    Ep6. Catelyn goes to the war camp prison to flirt with Jaime again. Jaime, ever stoic, is now shirtless. Meanwhile, Robb out of his head in love with a common girl, gives up the title King of the North and decides to be a sherperd. Brienne the Suezilla wanders aimlessly toward Robb’s war camp apparently guided by god Joan of Arc style. Zoom to the east, Daenerys and cohorts arrive in qarth and open up a circus called “Real live dragons and real live topless girls!” which is a big hit. Sexposition of Tyrion doing it with Shae while explaining all the preparations he’s done for the upcoming battle while Bronn sits nearby, drinking wine.

    Ep7. Donnie Brasco I mean Jon Snow is so undercover that he longer knows which side he’s on anymore. He gets to know the other side’s point of view. Off camera, a dog isbarking. Jon reports his Ghost is getting much bigger though at the moment he is hunting elsewhere. Meanwhile, Littlefinger is doing weird flirts on Sansa, who is being weirdly kept safe by the hound. Meanwhile Arya is slowly on her way to becoming a sociopath.

    Ep 8. Pan over marching hordes. Cut to skinny young blonde-haired man screaming his head off running through a prairie. Cut to brothel scene in Quarth. Cut to Tyrion drinking with buddies Shae and Bronn, camera pans over to Tyrion’s big sister who is listening in from behind a curtain while her little cousin is doing her from behind. Cut to Daenarys flirting with some of her new bloodriders while Iain Glenn looks on, jealous looking.

    Ep 9. Tyrion is knocked out by a fish merchant and misses on the action, wakes up and Pod tells him they won. Cut to Brienne Suezilla arriving at Robb’s camp. Cut to Joffrey looking angry and his mum giving him a big loving hug and a french kiss. Cut to Daenarys and her girlfriend-servants and one or two bloodriders having a pillow fight while Iain Glenn listens in from outside the tent.

    Ep 10. Jaime leaves with Suezilla and they have many amazing conversations that last 15 minutes. Brann was about to tell Osha his dream at the exact time as Osha was about to talk to him about Hodor and they catch each other and laugh and become bff from that point on. Daenery’s war horde is now 25 members strong not including the dragons that are hunting elsewhere and are reportedly getting bigger.

  114. Blackfish Blues
    Posted October 6, 2011 at 3:41 pm | Permalink

    Roger S,
    did you mean Donnie Brasco or Donnie Darko?

    And I find it kind of funny, I find it kind of sad,
    the dreams in which I’m dying are the best I’ve ever had…

  115. Roger S
    Posted October 6, 2011 at 5:13 pm | Permalink

    Blackfish Blues,

    Brasco. Refers to a movie wherein an italian american undercover fbi agent (Johnny Depp) goes undercover to infiltrate the italian mob in new york back in the 80’s. Then he falls in love with someone in the mob (Al Pacino) and he begins to question to which side he is loyal to. Will he choose the good side or the back side? Other good ‘undercover’ films include Deep Cover and Rush. If they don’t Donnie Brasco Jon Snow at least a little, I will be HIGHly disappointed!

  116. Blackfish Blues
    Posted October 6, 2011 at 5:30 pm | Permalink

    Roger S,
    yep, I knew Donnie Brasco, but the Donnie Darko angle fits too – teenager with mysterious powers caught up in saving his world…

  117. The Instrumentalist
    Posted October 6, 2011 at 6:25 pm | Permalink

    hydr0x1de,

    I’m pretty sure they named the crying girl Weasel, and later Arya took that name for her own. But if they don’t include the crying girl, Arya maybe wouldn’t call herself Weasel…

    Sorry if I’m nickpicking, I’ve always loved all of Arya’s names, haha. I take pride in keeping track of them all, just proof I’m a huge nerd. :D

  118. Winterdark
    Posted October 6, 2011 at 6:39 pm | Permalink

    Roger S,

    I LOLed very hard! Thanks for this. I guess it’s kinda lame to point out the series faults since it has much more pros imo but it is funny as hell to read. “Tyrion is knocked out by a fish merchant” priceless!

  119. stile
    Posted October 6, 2011 at 10:17 pm | Permalink

    KG:
    Luana,

    I wouldn’t, actually. Go back to the initial dog arguments, and I said I’d rather see a poodle wearing an “I am a direwolf” sign stuck on it than bad CGI.

    It’s called imagination.

    I agree, and I’m stealing this. Hope you don’t mind.

  120. the goat
    Posted October 6, 2011 at 10:24 pm | Permalink

    Should prolly mention that the original impetus was born from watching Red Riding 1983 with a friend the other night. (wave after amber wave of fermented grain likely also had a role in it.)

    “Here is a son of Yorkshire. Here is one…that got away.”

    Not sure if that was an intentional homage, but it certainly reminded me of Travis Bickle.

    “Here is a man who stood up.”

  121. Luana
    Posted October 6, 2011 at 10:26 pm | Permalink

    KG:
    Ed,

    Some people only possess one area of expertise, Ed. They long for a chance to flaunt it, even if no one else cares :)

    And some people just can’t stand it when other people care about stuff that they don’t. :)

  122. andrea
    Posted October 7, 2011 at 12:08 am | Permalink

    the goat: the original impetus was born from watching Red Riding

    oh, now I understand your previous list… (I think?). Red Riding can have such an effect (beer too I guess)

  123. the goat
    Posted October 7, 2011 at 5:07 am | Permalink

    andrea,

    Thanks angel, you made me smile.
    (A rare feat during OU-fexas week).
    I apologize that its not easier to understand. I truly wish it were.

  124. Nick Larter
    Posted October 7, 2011 at 6:12 am | Permalink

    the goat,

    I fell off my chair laughing :D

  125. the goat
    Posted October 7, 2011 at 7:16 am | Permalink

    “Reason will prevail!”
    -Charlie Kelly, Mac, Dennis Reynolds

    “Please could you stop the noise, I’m tryin’ to get some rest”
    -Thom Yorke

    “One, two, three, four, five, six, seven, all good children go to heaven.”
    -BJ (voiceover)

  126. HonestJerk
    Posted October 7, 2011 at 12:44 pm | Permalink

    Ahorwitt,

    You’re correct; in my season breakdown, I have Cat releasing Jaime before Bran & Rickon get tarred and spiked. But I think you don’t have a choice. The producers are correct: You have to give Jaime (Nikolaj Coster-Waldau) more to do in Season 2.

    In my breakdown, I have Jaime have conversations with Robb in Episodes 1 & 2 (which conveniently gives Robb (Richard Madden) more to do too)… but then I can’t give him another scene until Episode 6, where I stick his failed escape attempt.

    So I have Cat release him in my Episode 7 aka before she hears that Theon has “killed” her other sons. So in my breakdown, you just have to CHANGE CAT’S MOTIVATION.

    Cat releases Jaime NOT ONLY because of what happened to Bran & Rickon, but also because she believed Tyrion would keep his word. If you combine that with the fact that she’s seen a shadow come alive & kill someone, and she’s heard that Robb is injured… you could even tweak the story a bit, to have Cat get word that Arya is missing & presumed dead. With all that, she could be distraught enough to release Jaime for her daughters.

    Obviously not as distraught as she was in the book, but the end result is the same.

  127. jkbsucks.com
    Posted October 7, 2011 at 2:08 pm | Permalink

    John: you need to have an exciting finale .

    umm, the sopranos season 2 finale anyone? personally i thought it was badass. lots of people didn’t like it but i loved the show-must-go-on feeling to it (and it was anything BUT exciting). so no, we definitely don’t NEED and exciting finale afaic.

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