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It’s been a while since we’ve had a filming update post. Since our last update, the team has finished filming in Croatia (no more set photos for us) and also completed a grueling two weeks of night shoots in Northern Ireland that were the filming of the Blackwater scenes. We believe these were filmed at the “mystery castle” set in Magheramorne quarry.
The production has now moved back to Northern Ireland where one team has worked on location, filming the rest of the Winterfell scenes, while another has worked in the Paint Hall, filming many of the interior stuff. There have also been reports that they may be returning to the site of the hurricane damaged set to either resume filming scenes of Renly’s camp (the picture above is from yesterday and clearly shows the set has been reconstructed), or possibly to reshoot some stuff that may have been unusable due to the extreme weather. There is also a report they may be using the Carrick-a-Rede rope bridge this time around. Also, in the next week or two, filming should begin in Iceland.
At this point, we have gotten pretty deep into filming and there are many scenes that are “in the can.” Let’s take a look at what has already been filmed and what is still left to film … (some minor spoilers after the break)
Filming complete, confirmed
All King’s Landing exterior scenes
All Qarth exterior scenes
Filming complete, speculative
Dragonstone exterior scenes
Storm’s End exterior scenes
Pyke exterior scenes
Harrenhal exterior scenes
Robb campaigning in the West
Renly’s Camp
Battle of the Blackwater
Filming on-going
Winterfell scenes
Interior scenes for all locales
Renly’s camp (continuation of earlier shoot and/or reshoots)
Yet to be filmed
Beyond the Wall
Winter Is Coming: Keep in mind, most of the above is speculative, based off of reports we have received. The only reason we can confirm that the King’s Landing and Qarth exteriors are complete is because we know they are finished filming in Croatia. As for the rest, we know some stuff has been filmed, but it is always possible they may do more later on. But as it stands, it seems most of season two is complete. It looks to me like they filmed things much more efficiently this season as opposed to last, which is a good thing.
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122 Comments
A substantive trailer in the near future?? Hoping???
AssuntaQuote Reply
Assunta,
I think we should wait a little more than a month for that :(
The RabbitQuote Reply
Assunta,
only in December is my guess. after the season finale of Boardwalk Empire.
João AmaralQuote Reply
As opposed to last season, not next season, right?
spacechampionQuote Reply
I think, they also already filmed Craster’s Keep, or at least part of it.
When is the finale of Boardwalk Empire, so that I can start counting down the days? ;)
LisaQuote Reply
I guess you didn’t get the memo. HBO’s new policy is no more substantial trailers (instead, they will have mini-sneakpeaks in the form of 2 minute long teaser edits).
Epic the “Really?”Quote Reply
when’s a teaser coming out for GOT??????????????
idonthaveanameQuote Reply
spacechampion,
Phil has green dreams!
Epic the “Really?”Quote Reply
no reeds and no ramsay still?
CharlesQuote Reply
Oooooohh man!!! Cannot wait til spring cause WINTER IS COMING!!!!!
DeckerQuote Reply
They’re going to have a heck of a time filming exteriors with all the rain and flooding that the BBC is reporting in Northern Ireland.
Susan CQuote Reply
LOL!!
EdQuote Reply
I’m guessing the Reeds will be cut and Ramsay won’t be cast until season 3 or 4, if at all.
I’ve heard (can’t confirm though) that the producers are considering some pretty major rewrites in regards to the Boltons. Again, this could just be hearsay, but it sounds like they may give Ramsay’s role to Roose. Roose will not go to Harrenhal like he does in the books, and Arya will be Tywin’s cupbearer (notice there’s been no casting of Vargo Hoat either). He’ll stay with Robb, and when Theon sacks Winterfell, Robb will send Roose to take it back. Roose will then take on Ramsay’s role and burn Winterfell and capture Theon.
I really hope that isn’t true, but that’s the rumor I’ve heard (on Westeros). It’s hard for me to believe that the producers would pass up a goldmine like Ramsay. He’s such a colorful character; actors would love to portray him, and fans would love to hate him (same for Vargo Hoat). In any case, I’m keeping my fingers crossed he’ll be cast for Season 3 (assuming there will be a S3).
Varamyr FourskinsQuote Reply
Varamyr Fourskins,
I hope that isn’t true, but if it is, perhaps it’s simply a way to put off casting that character until series 4/5 (crossing fingers).
ShinyteapotQuote Reply
Could they really not have done any beyond the wall besides Craster? I know there isn’t much in general, but I feel like they could get all the way to the fist without going to Iceland, and from a scheduling perspective wouldn’t they have to? They don’t have a ton of time left, and hadn’t there been talk about John Bradley West already being in Iceland?
Unless they’re just power-loading the last month and a half with all north-of-the-wall stuff.
KalasinQuote Reply
Are there any Icelandic WiCeteers around, preparing to provide us with stunning set pics from Beyond the Wall?
It seems like the worst lies in the past, but yeah, let’s hope that none of the sets were badly affected…
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Btw, when was it again that the entire list of season 1 cast was published by HBO? November or December last year? Seems more and more likely they’ll do the same again this time around, despite the missed publicity opportunities… Please give us at least the names of the remaining characters (to be) cast, HBO, pleeeeease!!
Tar KidhoQuote Reply
The Blackwater was night shoots?!?!
CoolHandQuote Reply
CoolHand,
I think that’s not a bad move – much easier to make it look very impressive! Of course it’s a change from the books, but not one that would change the story too much.
Tar KidhoQuote Reply
It was July last year. We won’t be getting a cast list like that again, this time. I’m sure of that. I’m not sure the Reeds or Reek have been cut; after all, Winterfell scenes are just starting to be shot, plus I doubt they’ll cast noteworthy names in those roles in any case. It’s hard to say because we have no confirmation of ANY roles being cut. I do wish someone involved with production would come out with what roles are cut, or at least tell us if the Reeds, Tullys, Reek, etc. are gone. Even GRRM, who knows all the major roles have been cast and could confirm for us, is strangely silent (probably told not to share all he knows).
Josh ParkerQuote Reply
Varamyr Fourskins,
If they do that, they can stop saying how they are fans of the books.
FlourideQuote Reply
Josh Parker,
I’m kind of hoping that the Reek casting is going to be a big name, and the producers are holding it back until closer to the DVD release, to get buzz at the right time.
It would be nice to get a cast list, though, or at least a character list.
OhDanyBoyQuote Reply
Yes, last season. Sorry for the confusion!
Haha! I wish.
Interesting theory. But knowing the role that Ramsay and Roose play in the coming books/seasons, that would require some substantial rewriting. My own theory which would allow them to skip casting Reek this season goes thusly:
Dagmer Cleftjaw replaces Reek for this season, in as far as being Theon’s right-hand man while at Winterfell. It is the Cleftjaw that suggests they pretend to have caught and killed Bran and Rickon. The viewers believe they are dead for an episode, maybe two, then we get a glimpse of them in the crypts during the season finale. We also learn from Asha, before she leaves Winterfell to Theon, that Ser Rodrik is coming to take back the castle. So viewers know Theon’s hold is tenuous, Bran and Rickon are still alive and could soon be rescued by Rodrik.
Season three opens with “Reek” arriving in Winterfell. He claims that Ramsay was killed by Rodrik and he managed to escape. He promises to aid Theon in exchange for his life. Theon is desperate, so he agrees. Add a few scenes of Reek being nasty. When it’s clear that no aid is coming from the Ironborn, Reek offers to head to the Dreadfort for reinforcements. Things then proceed as they happen in the book, with Rodrik arriving in Winterfell, getting killed by Reek/Ramsay, Ramsay then taking Winterfell.
This allows them to not have to cast Ramsay until season three and solves the problem of Theon and the whole Winterfell storyline being off-screen for two or more seasons.
Winter Is ComingQuote Reply
Not really. Some changes are inevitable. And, obviously, the producers can be huge fan of the books but believe some parts of the story will tranlate better to the TV if they are changed (especially to reduce the number of characters, which will be ridiculous by Book 3 and hard for non-readers to keep up with).
Ryan EQuote Reply
Varamyr Fourskins,
Well, it is not entierly impossible to do that.
It could work on screen I suppose.
The RabbitQuote Reply
bummer…thought they released that much later in the year…
Tar KidhoQuote Reply
Sorry about that. Forgot Ramsay was a spoiler. Thanks for covering for me…
Varamyr FourskinsQuote Reply
Varamyr Fourskins, no problem. :)
Some support for my theory above…
We know they are currently filming Winterfell stuff, thanks to tweets from Kristian Nairn and others. We know they are filming the Bran and Rickon hunting scene soon, as they have just cast a “Houndsman.” They have cast a relatively experienced actor in Ralph Ineson to play, what is in the books, a very minor part. Recent tweets by Ineson seem to indicate he is currently filming. In the books, Dagmer never is at Winterfell, but it seems he might be in the show. These clues, coupled with the fact that we still don’t have a Reek, have led me to the conclusion that Dagmer will take Reek’s place for this season.
Winter Is ComingQuote Reply
Winter,
That fix actually sounds pretty viable! I always wondered if they’d just end up dropping Theon for 2 seasons. If Theon still holds Winterfell at season’s end, that fixes the Reek casting issue for season 2. (Cleftjaw can easily be the one to suggest the trickery rather than Reek.)
And since we have a strong inkling A Storm of Swords will be split into 2 10-episode seasons, they may need more content. Why not Theon content?
As to the Reeds, they can be added on the road during season 3—or not at all. It really depends on what the producers want done with Osha.
Fire And BloodQuote Reply
That’s an interesting theory, Dagmer replacing Reek/Ramsay. Although in ADWD it is important that Roose and Ramsay know about Bran and Rickon being alive. But I suppose they could work that out by having Ramsay torture the truth out from Theon in the Dreadfort.
VirtusQuote Reply
Winter Is Coming,
Love it. Certainly solves the casting issue, while not decreasing the dramatism. And viewers won’t be wondering who Theon is when he returns for season 4/5 after two years of absence. Ramsay can’t be cut, as he’s important for the “North remembers” storyline. Besides, he’s so sweetly and unabashedly EVIL that it will be a pleasure to see him, preferrably played by Nicholas Hoult or that psychotic-looking guy from Misfits.
IdaanQuote Reply
Glad you guys like the theory! Another benefit to stretching out the Winterfell storyline this way: assuming D&D end season three with the Red Wedding, it really makes the third season about the rise of the Boltons. This sets up their continuing importance to the story, going into season four, which will likely need to include stuff from ADWD such as the reintroduction of Theon as the new Reek.
Winter Is ComingQuote Reply
Flouride,
Not at all. It means they would be committed to getting as much of the story on-screen as possible, even if it means bending some corners to make everything fit.
Not every fan worships on bended knee before a mint copy of the series.
KGQuote Reply
grrrr
The RabbitQuote Reply
Winter Is Coming,
Actually, I REALLY like your theory, and it sounds like a very viable possibility.
OhDanyBoyQuote Reply
Bloody spoiler tags do not work for me now!
The RabbitQuote Reply
Winter Is Coming,
I like it. It’s a much better idea than what I’d heard, and it makes a good deal of sense as well.
… I second FaBio. If they didn’t want to cut Jaime out of the story for a single season, they’re certainly not going to cut Theon out for two. Theon will probably hold Winterfell for a lot longer than he did in the books, and his captivity will probably go by much more quickly. Although, I did really like the buildup with his character in the books leading up to ADwD. I remember getting chills after turning the page to see a chapter titled “Theon” for the first time in a long time. Of course, I don’t know how that will translate to the screen, but the suspense of not knowing what happened to the guy works well in the books.
Varamyr FourskinsQuote Reply
The Rabbit, just post what you want and I can add them for you. Interested to hear your take on this. :)
Winter Is ComingQuote Reply
Winter Is Coming,
All right, here we go…
Saw a tweet a couple of days ago, or it was last week, that proves Ineson was at WF set!
But, the fact he was there, did not necessary means that Theon would held WF at the end of season.
Still there is possibility of Roose/Reek switch, which in worst case scenario, would not harm Theon s storyline at all.
But on the other hand, we would loose Reek, and Robb s storyline could be dammaged (Jaime Lannister sends his regards…)
The RabbitQuote Reply
I’m really looking forward to the Iceland/beyond-the-Wall stuff.
LexQuote Reply
I’m sorry but that would harm Theon’s storyline alot . Maybe you don’t care but I thought that was the best part in the second book as opposed to the overrated Botb . But they had to screw up the show eventually like all the adaptations do of course .
JohnQuote Reply
John, you do realize this is all speculation, right? That none of this rewriting may actually happen and that the show could end up sticking slavishly to the book? We should wait until the show airs before deciding whether they’ve screwed it up or not.
Winter Is ComingQuote Reply
Sorry this is a bit off-topic, but just out of curiosity, for those of us outside the US, what does an HBO subscription actually cost in the US?
I ask because here in New Zealand, we are getting a new premium channel called “Soho”, which is NZ$10 (about US$8) per month, and it will screen all the best shows from cable networks in the US, like HBO, Showtime, Starz and AMC. Not surprisingly, all their promotional material for this new channel is centered on Game of Thrones.
WiC, if you wanted to update your international airings, it airs in New Zealand on Soho (part of the Sky Network) beginning 31 October 2011.
(PS. yes I have already seen it – i wasn’t going to wait until now to watch it! And no I don’t feel bad about downloading it because they will definitely still be getting my $$ when I purchase the DVDs).
HostylQuote Reply
John,
Well, I have to disagree – which I mean with storyline: it begins with Theon going to Pyke, wanting to prove himself to his dad, returnin to the continent, taking WF and being captured by Bolton.
If you want to nitpick: the main storyline (and the facts) is still intact.
The other thing is that Reek brings to the story yet another twist – and contribues to Theon character being a sort of naive. That part would be missed, I admit.
But I just do not think that the omission of Reek would be such a catastrophe.
The RabbitQuote Reply
Winter Is Coming,
If Ramsay has to be put off until next year, your idea would work better than replacing him with Roose I think. While I appreciate the showrunners may not want Theon to disappear for a year, if the contractual negotiations can be made to work I’d actually like it- it would be a great shock after spending a year assuming he’s dead or at least out of the story to see a very different looking man return- do the makeup right and it will take a close look to realise who he is at first. That would be great.
ShinyteapotQuote Reply
I would be onboard with the changes WiC suggests but only if they include Reek at a later point. This could lead to some cool Season Three action for Theon, and lead to his becoming the new Reek in Season 5.
Josh ParkerQuote Reply
Shinyteapot,
Josh Parker,
Yeah, I think having Theon removed from the story for about a year would be good, if they can work out the contract to do so. At the worst, you could have the sack of Winterfell occur near the end of season three, say episode 7 or 8. And then reintroduce Theon as Reek near the end of season four, as a teaser for his character arc in season five. So he wouldn’t be entirely missing for a whole season.
Winter Is ComingQuote Reply
Speaking of contractual obligations, has anyone noticed that GRRM has gone from Illyrio fat to just like, King Robert fat? Like he’s under contract not to croak for say, 15 friggin’ years so he can finish the damned story?
(BTW – The ASoIaF Beatles are Rickon, Eddard, Lyanna, and Benjen, obvs).
RobbQuote Reply
I hope they don’t make said chances. It about time they started adopting the ‘if it aint broke don’t fix it’ mentality, IMO.
GazQuote Reply
I agree wholeheartedly, Gaz.
RobbQuote Reply
The amount of work they have to put in for shooting a 10 episode season is staggering…no wonder everybody looks exhausted, given the tight schedule they must be following! Not only is the series epic in every sense of the word, but also the behind-the-scenes work!
A nod, no, a bow and a thank you for all the people involved and their incredible work! I hope they can keep the “Game Of Thrones” team intact for the duration of the series! Many people do fall victim to the gruelling shooting schedule and the rigid regimen which usually comes with such a large production, especially now that the first season was such a success, the pressure I would think has not lessened a bit…which is good and bad in different ways!
Winter a question for you…any news on the score, who will be taking on the soundtrack for next season, is Ramin Djawadi returning to the show, or is there someone new? The intro theme is now a staple of the show, and I doubt that they will tamper with that, but what about new tracks? While I realize that some themes from first season will continue, there will be need for new ones too, to reflect the changes, the new characters and places…
Any info on that would be greatly appreciated…
loco73Quote Reply
It’s not about changing the story just to change it. The main reason behind this change would be to hold off on casting an important character until next season, when they could conceivably hire someone much more prominent and subsequently sign them to a shorter, cheaper contract.
Winter Is ComingQuote Reply
Lisa,
If the rumours are true that the set they built in Clandeboye Estate beside Helen’s Tower is the Crasters keep one ,which is just half a mile up the road from me, then they’ve finished filming up there . I think.
BarryQuote Reply
Depending on the cable/dish provider, they start at either $10 or $12 for premium channels, and usually drop a dollar for each additional premium channel you add, so say $12 for HBO, $11 for Starz, $10 for Cinemax, etc…
And they usually have an option for all premium channels for about $30-$35 per month. AMC and FX, while great cable channels for serial dramas, still work on ad revenue instead of subscription model.
robQuote Reply
Moderator dominating thread dialectic like an amateur teleplay writer = tiny weiner
RobbQuote Reply
I do think seriously that every change done so far has a very valid reason behind it.
Limited budget, limited screen time and so on.
Not to mention the things we do not know and probably never would know about.
David & Dan were chosen by GRRM, in certain way.
The very fact gives me hope that they can not ruined the show in a way some other adaptation were ruined.
We knew from the beginning there would be changes. So, I still do not understand the people jumping at the throats at any mention of the possible change – especially in the pure speculation phase of processus.
I reckon the different opinion and I appreciate it, but I still do not get it.
The RabbitQuote Reply
Considering the redonkulous amount of re-writes that will have to be done to make season 4/5 chronological instead of mostly-geographical, I’m not even sure you have to wait on season 5 to introduce “new Reek.” The first major accomplishment I remember him doing is the treachery at moat cailin? I’m pretty sure that could fit into Season 4 chonologically while still allowing the majority of his arc to occur in Season 5 when he starts to get his bearings back and remembers his name.
robQuote Reply
Umm… what?
Winter Is ComingQuote Reply
Hostyl,
Thanks, great info! I will update the page soon.
Also a tweet from earlier: Icelandic fans: the #GameofThrones run is ending on Stöð 2 these days. Do you have the Icelandic premiere date for me? Thanks!
Hear Me RoarQuote Reply
If so, probably for FX, it’s easier to hide numbers when the light is low giving the impression that there’s more people involved, also fire looks better in the dark!
HouseLarkQuote Reply
Okay, someone is going to have to freeze me until April. There is just no way I’m going to be able to wait for the motherfucking Blackwater!!!!! I wonder how they are going to handle Tyrion’s nose….
SQUEEE!!!
QueensmootQuote Reply
First off apologies if I repeat what has already been said previously, but I did not want to read the comments (or many of them) until I said this. However although it seems the Reeds my two favorite siblings, I can see them being in the next series as we have pretty much been guaranteed to get it from D&D. In order to get them and Reek it depends upon where they cut the series. I feel that they will cut it with Theon holding Winterfell and then cutting to Rodrick trying to rally what is left of the north to take it back and rescuing Bran and Rickon.
In the next in maybe the second/third episode we get our Reeds coming to do their own rescue after Jojen’s green dreams. and we also get Reek instigating himself into Theon’s confidence and then it thus follows the book story arc. To lose Reek/Ramsay would be to loose a character that people will instantly hate much in the same way people intently dislike Joffrey and I want to see everything that takes place.
Also it elongates Winterfell as the home of the Starks and of safety that little bit longer keeping our favorite characters in that bit longer without changing the story too much and loosing certain characters.
Those our just my opinions anyway but I hope and think that is what will happen, and it gives Nina Gold and Robert Sterne time to find the right people to play these character rather than getting people in to look the part but cannot act the part and ruin said characters.
SarahQuote Reply
Icelandic premiere date for Game of Thrones was August 21st.
Ser MollerQuote Reply
Robb,
You mean Brandon, Eddard, Lyanna, Benjen? Or Rickard, Eddard, Lyanna, Benjen? Sorry, nitpick >_<
The InstrumentalistQuote Reply
Telling mods they have a tiny wiener = tiny wiener.
LexQuote Reply
Winter Is Coming,
Some dolt prefers you don’t do your job so anarchy rules. There’s always one.
KGQuote Reply
KG, it’s not so much that that bothers me as it is the insinuation that I’m apparently not allowed to join in the discussion on my own site? This is the first I have ever heard of that rule.
Winter Is ComingQuote Reply
Concerning the night shoot, I think it were Aryas scenes at the Godseye village. I remember reading a twet about Blackwater shooting in Croatia, rather than Ireland.
Chris77Quote Reply
Not good news for the reeds if winterfell is being filmed
SuperdeluxeQuote Reply
But when you take into consideration working with real actors with real contracts and the very different nature of a television show to a novel, well…some things that ain’t broke on the written page very well may be broke to somebody dealing with the insane amount of logistics they have to work with.
Steven SwansonQuote Reply
And pulling a Ron Jeremy on himself.
I’ve seen invasive moderators, but never here.
Steven SwansonQuote Reply
Winter Is Coming,
Meh, screw him. We like you just fine. (huggles)
KGQuote Reply
I guess there still is time to add the Reed and Reek, however I won’t cry if Reek is not in the 2nd season of Game of Thrones. The Reeds on the other hand, I would like to see….hence the statement:
WHERE THE FUCK ARE MY REED SIBLINGS?!?!
Julian WalkerQuote Reply
Julian Walker,
there is a big chance the Reeds are just fine. If they are cast, my guess is they are kids who have never been on tv or film before. There is absolutely no reason for HBO to announce these no-name actors and as we have seen in the past HBO only reveals actors and not characters to the media. If only we had an extra who would risk his/her job for telling us a bit more…
I want to say something about the lack of Reek/Tully’s/Reeds. They’re favourites of mine, I wish I could see them every episode but I follow a lot of tv-talkback and there’s one thing that stood out for me the last week: a lot of people are complaining there are too many characters on the Walking Dead. Yes, the Walking Dead which has a cast of what, 20?
It kills me to have no Strong Belwas, no Blackfish, no Reeds on this show. But it would kill me more if this show would become a snoozefest of quick flashes of characters where non-bookreaders get just completely lost. If they can manage to make it awesome tv without these characters, all will be forgiven.
KnurkQuote Reply
A couple things on Winter’s theory… The thing is I dont ‘think it would actually help much. So they put off casting the character for 1 season… but why does that matter? IIRC Ramsey isn’t on screen in aSoS anyway, so it’s the same small amount of material they’ll have to cast for, therefore it doesn’t help anything from the production standpoint.
Secondly I think Winterfell really needs to be taken at the end of acok. It’s just too much dramatic potential to pass up. We need to keep the fans ANGRY and desperately wanting Bolton/Lannister blood so they come back.
I’d prefer of course if Ramsey actually has been cast and this speculation is all silly. However, if he has not been, I think that a Roose-swap is a better solution than failing to wrap up the Winterfell plot. Besides, I want Luwin death scene this season! That’s a real tear-jerker… ;_;
userjQuote Reply
Gotta say i’m a fan of WiC’s idea for the end of s2 and the start of s3, replacing Ramsay with Roose just isn’t a good idea in the long run in my opinion. Sure it could make sense for this series, but I like how the Bolton storyline has a slow build up with a big pay off.
Plus Ramsay’s actions do impact on the audience/reader’s perception of Roose. Doesn’t matter that he says Ramsay is nothing to him, the suspicion is there and builds up until the Red Wedding. I like that this would allow that season to begin and end (roughly) with a Bolton betrayal too.
So yeah, hope that someone at GoT central has also thought of something similar (presuming the Winterfell storyline is causing problems of course) and none of the characters involved get cut. Losing the Tullys (again, seemingly) is bad enough.
Rheia GreyjoyQuote Reply
Ser Moller,
Thanks!
Hear Me RoarQuote Reply
What happened to the t-shirt post :D
G_LeeQuote Reply
I bet they’ll just give him a scar, since they didn’t burn Dany’s hair either.
VirtusQuote Reply
We seem to have moved away from the subject at hand and talking about a said troll. Best way to deal with it, is to ignore it. Lets enjoy the fact that filming is coming along nicely and we shall not only have the dvd boxset (IN MARCH) and the second series a month later.
SarahQuote Reply
This is true. I guess the advantage with holding off on casting Reek is they wouldn’t have to construct a contract that keeps the actor on-board for a full year or more, despite not appearing in any episodes. By waiting to cast the character, they could then sign the actor to a more traditional 3-4 year contract where the actor can be billed as featured cast for those seasons (this is assuming that season four will consist of material from ASOS, AFFC and ADWD).
As to the rest of your point, I agree, I also want to see Winterfell fall this season. But not if it means that Roose is taking Reek’s place. I just don’t see how that could work.
Winter Is ComingQuote Reply
In a similar OT vein, does anyone know anything about airdates in Switzerland? Wikipedia lists two channels (German and French), but I couldn’t find any info.
Hear Me RoarQuote Reply
Winter Is Coming,
Strangely enough, I think it would work: but only for Theon s side of story – at the end of the day it would not matter who captured him and tortured him.
But, I am not sure how that change would influence other plotlines: especeally Robb s.
The_Rabbit01Quote Reply
In my mind neither Ramsay nor Theon will dissappear for more than one season. Best case scenario:
Season 2
Theon takes Winterfell with Reek. Reek betrays Theon turns out to be Ramsay, burns Winterfell
Season 3
Ramsay tortures Theon, meets Jeyne who he thinks is Arya, becomes a real Bolton.
Season 5
Ramsay tortures Theon some more. forces him to become Reek. Theon escapes with Kyra is caught Kyra killed. Ramsay use Theon to take Moat Caillin, has all the occupants flayed and displays their skinless bodies by the side of the road
Season 6
Ramsay weds Jeyne. Jeyne begs Theon to rescue her. He does not and Ramsay abuses her while Theon watches. Mance and his wives free Jeyne and she and Theon escape and ride with Mors Umber to Stannis where he meets Yara. Ramsay captures Mance and sends John his letter.
WinterdarkQuote Reply
It would not work at all . Why do you keep saying it would work ?
JohnQuote Reply
John,
Simply because it is my opinion.
The_Rabbit01Quote Reply
Oooh, looks like I just had my first post removed. For quoting said troll, I’m assuming. (I quoted in defense of WiC, mind you, not in support of the erased offender.) Fair enough. Best to simply ignore that sort of thing anyway.
On topic: Generally, and naively, I don’t like seemingly random plot changes (e.g. Littlefinger telling the Hound’s secret) or character changes (Cersei). I tend to think, if you don’t like the story the way it is, make up your own instead of messing with someone else’s. But that really only applies to smaller-scale productions with fewer characters and a shorter timeline, and requiring less budget-consuming sets/CGi.
I want to say, leave the story the way it is because that’s the story I fell for, but I simply don’t know enough about the technical problems and processes of TV-productions to insist. And who knows, if they do change something, it might actually be an entertainining change. I’ve read the books, now I’m watching the show.
I could use some more production-photos of all that filming in action. Not just some soldier lying face-down in the grass. Doesn’t inspire a lot of speculation, to be honest.
HirondelleQuote Reply
The_Rabbit01, you are right about Theon, but I just worry about what kind of complicated rewrites would be necessary down the road if they were to substitute Roose for Reek.
To those who support the Roose taking Reek’s place theory: It is worth noting that Roose, at least for part of the season, is with Robb. Now it’s possible Robb could send him North if/when he finds out about Theon taking Winterfell, but they would be playing fast and loose once again with the geography and travel times if they were to do that.
Winter Is ComingQuote Reply
Osha can replace the Reeds, if Maester Luwin survives the sack of Winterfell.
Rickon and Luwin set off in the direction of White Harbour. Bran, Hodor and Osha
go north to seek the three-eyed crow.
JeroenQuote Reply
OT But has anyone been watching the BBC3 show The Fades (last episode tonight)?
One of the reasons I started watching was that Natalie Dormer is in it and I wanted to see her in something (never watched The Tudors) but it also features Joe Dempsey (Gendry) and Francis Magee (Yoren).
MormegilQuote Reply
Guys, i know this is massivly off topic, but me and my friend were having an arguement, i hope this settles part of it. Who would you have as your 7 dream Kings / Queens Guard?
Harry The HeirQuote Reply
Yep, me! Although if they’re shooting on glaciers it might be hard, they’re tricky to navigate.. Are there any news on where in Iceland the filming is taking place?
FiskurQuote Reply
Fiskur,
I think on westeros.org it was speculated that they would either use the Snæfellsjökull or the Vatnajökull but that’s really just speculation.
I’m really looking forward to the Beyond the Wall stuff, I bet, it’s gonna look amazing.
LisaQuote Reply
it’s the same airdate as in Germany on TNT, 2. nov
Marco ReistQuote Reply
Hirondelle,
What works really well on a written page – for example, the secret thought processes of each character – is impossible to SHOW on a television screen.
Books are books, tv is tv: Totally – different – media. They have to rework parts of the story to make it fit the larger, yet shallower, television screen.
If you can’t accept that, then don’t watch.
KGQuote Reply
I know Roose isn’t a popular character in the sense that he is likable, but it does also change the nature of Roose as a character is he’s turned into Roose-Ramsey (Ramsoose?). I’d prefer to keep the characters separate for that reason as well, because I did actually find their interactions in ADWD very interesting, and besides which, Ramsey’s identity/personality is very much informed by his status as a bastard/his past.
I for one wouldn’t mind moving the fall of Winterfell up to season 3, since not only would it allow them to cast the Reeds and Reek without contract issues, but it also makes the red wedding and Tully related storylines seem more prescient for season 3. That way, season 3 really could spend some time developing those characters/storylines for massive payoff later in the season.
I much prefer them rearranging where the season ends versus the books, to prominent characters being omitted entirely, so your idea sounds like a great one to me (let’s just hope they thought of it first!).
Steve Hugh WestenraQuote Reply
KG,
I’m sorry, I must have expressed myself in a confusing way. I was trying to say that I consciously make the distinction between books and TV:
And I took both my own lack of know-how and the challenges of a huge production like GoT into account:
And I wasn’t worried about POV issues like
but about story changes such as the ones being discussed here (no Roose Bolton at Harrenhal, no Reek, no Reeds, no Tullys, etc.)
I actually enjoy added scenes and other devices which help translate what works on the page to the screen and I was trying to describe my journey (for lack of a less dramatic term) from die-hard fan of the original story to an avid follower of D&D’s creation.
But I can, so I will. Great, isn’t it? No hard feelings, and thanks for making me reread my apparently misleading post. Not sarcasm, by the way. :o)
HirondelleQuote Reply
Yes, that is great :) if I do say so myself.
Don’t mind KG; he’s not been the same since he got passed to write the official GoT theme song. (his version is way more better but sadly misunderstood).
Epic The BallsQuote Reply
Cheers! Glad you think so.
Well, I’m still learning to pick up on everybody’s vibes. My radar is not always accurate. I assumed KG just has a pet peeve about people expecting the show to be an exact visual copy of the books and confusing their own vison with what’s feasible. I get that, I just take exception to being criticised/challenged/attacked based on a misunderstanding.
I assume this is you having a go, right? ;o)
HirondelleQuote Reply
In many message board forums, the moderators act more like police, and so it is sometimes seen as unfair for them to be engaging in the discussions. They’re supposed to keep some distance and remain more neutral. But people seem to be forgetting that this isn’t a message board or forum. This is essentially your blog, and we’re just commenting on your posts.
LexQuote Reply
Not to put KG on the spot but the whole thing was public here on WiC anyway so, this is the way it went…. He really was very vocal about not liking the GoT theme song and ppl were like, “oh you think you can do better?”
So he posted a link to a song he wrote and performed on an old keyboard to prove that he could do better.
I really and truly believe he’s been grumpy in general since that day!
I just think it’s a good story worth repeating. I wish I still had the link to the musical number he posted.
Epic The BallsQuote Reply
Just like to echo these words.. And add my own thanks and appreciation to the hard working crew. I know for a fact that by this stage many are exhausted from lack of sleep and long working days in tricky conditions.
Two FeathersQuote Reply
Epic The Balls,
Absolutely. I just need some context. But…
For real? Shut the front door! Call me a terrible person, but I find the idea sad and funny at the same time. Still, credit where credit is due – it takes a generous helping of confidence to put yourself out there like that…
Or, perhaps KG really just misunderstood me and wanted to make a point based on that misunderstanding. And being a little grumpy isn’t a crime (as long as you keep lashing out at others to a minimum). Where I come from, there’s a Sesame Street-like children’s show about a misanthropic loaf of bread and it won a national TV award for embodying the human right to a bad mood. Not a joke. I’d supply a link, but it’s all on German.
Anyway, moving on.
HirondelleQuote Reply
Harry The Heir,
Easy, Dream Kingsgaurd, Jamie, Selmy, Arthur Dayne, Mance Rayder, Jorah Mormont, Oberyn Martell, John Connington. Rated highest on scales of loyalty and badassitude.
RichterQuote Reply
Winter Is Coming,
If is not a problem I would like to clarify something to you about my deleted comment. I mean, it´s ok of course, you have the right but as I fear being misunderstood, I would like to be clearer. My comment was a brief and inocent one I think. Is true that it had nothing to do with the subject of the post, I know it, my fault. Is not always I have something to say but I carefully read almost everything, speculations above all, because I would never take the trouble to do so and I find it very interesting when others do it, like you did and I enjoyed. I was just praising Epic because it seemed to me he was a gentleman in his responses to the person in question (don´t remember de name now) and because I think, some how, that was a nice way to defend you (or this blog) for an unnecesary attack.
Oh, don´t mind me, maybe I´m crazy or maybe it’s just my wounded pride. Furthermore, if you don´t want to post this comment, it’s fine by me, I just had to say it.
andreaQuote Reply
andrea, the only reason I removed your comment was because I removed Epic’s post, so it didn’t make any sense. I appreciate you and the others who came to this site’s defense. :)
Hirondelle, yes, it’s true. KG is a musician (and a girl btw), so when her opinion on the show’s music was revealed, she offered up some of her own work as a comparison. As you say, you have to give her credit for putting herself out there like that. And I wouldn’t say she is grumpy, she is just opinionated and is not afraid to share her opinion, even if it goes against conventional thinking. I like and respect her for that.
Anyway, I think she just misinterpreted your original comment. Hopefully she will be on soon to clarify. :)
Winter Is ComingQuote Reply
Winter Is Coming,
of course, would make no sense, I did not realize that.Thank you.
andreaQuote Reply
Harry The Heir,
Oberyn Martell, Brienne, Selmy, Grey Worm, Anguy, Dondarrion, and Nymeria Sand. Also, if I can choose Syrio with a real sword, drop Dondarrion and pick him.
SunspearQuote Reply
I like KG too, though I usually skip right to the end of her posts to see who she’s decided to call a retard this time.
Making friends of sensitive people: not her strong suit.
Fire And BloodQuote Reply
Hirondelle,
KG said to me once she is not a shy person. I believe her! And probably envy her a bit for that and also because I can not even play the triangle. Lucky you KG.
andreaQuote Reply
KG is cool :)
The_Rabbit01Quote Reply
Any chance of someone posting a link to KG’s GoT theme? I so want to hear that.
WinterdarkQuote Reply
Marco Reist,
Thanks! Both on SF2 and TSR1?
Hear Me RoarQuote Reply
Speaking of which, any Greek fans who know the premiere date? :) The only word I have is “soon” (on Nova Cinema).
Hear Me RoarQuote Reply
Thanks for the insight and for catching me up! I really meant no offense and was out to clarify not antagonize. As for KG and theme music – I love how GoT inspires creativity!
I’d like that.
HirondelleQuote Reply
andrea,
I know, right? I get red spots all over my neck and face when I have to speak in front of more than 5 people and am utterly talent-free in all things musical. Go KG!
HirondelleQuote Reply
On some other thread (I think it might have been the misadventurous T-Shirt one), someone posted a link to this marvelously detailled hommage to ASOIAF:
http://dragoninstall.deviantart.com/art/A-Song-of-Ice-and-Lemoncakes-264481091
and I believe it’s worth repeating (original poster, go on and take credit!). The style reminds me a little of children’s book illustrations, but the attention to detail and individual characterization is incredible. It’s lots of fun to identify everyone. There are several figures I still can’t quite place…
HirondelleQuote Reply
no it’s only on TNT same as in germay and austria, as far as i know…
Marco ReistQuote Reply
Harry The Heir,
Dream Kingsguard: Barristan (as Lord Commander), Jaime, Sandor, Victarion, Qhorin, Blackfish and Oberyn
LordManderlysPieQuote Reply
Richter,
I kinda agree but for me i have to go for : Jamie Lannister, Barristan, Oberyn Martell, Arthur Dayne, Loras Tyrell and Edmure Tully (< on pure awesomeness grounds! ) I would have to be tricky with my Lord Commander, but i do believe that Barristan or Arthur Dayne would get it :) as for a Dream Hand of the King, a Oldie would be Bloodraven, but for the latest i would have to choose my Favorite Wolf, Eddie Stark :)
And Yes Sunspear i would like Nymeria Sand, but not for the fighting ahaha
Harry The HeirQuote Reply
spacechampion,
right, the quote said as opposed to last season.
Kim LitzowQuote Reply
With only ten episodes per season, they won’t be able to include every character in each. But, that doesn’t mean we won’t see them in the next. I can’t remember where I heard it, but I heard that we will be seeing a good deal of Robb, unlike in CoKs. So, they may be juggling characters, bringing some in sooner, other’s coming in season three. They did an awesome job of staying close to the book in season one, I think we can count on them staying true to the books in the future.
Kim LitzowQuote Reply
omg.
GeorgeQuote Reply
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