Game of Thrones RPG reveals a trailer and some new details
By Winter Is Coming on in Merchandise, News.

The folks from Cyanide Studios and Atlus Entertainment have debuted the new trailer for their A Song of Ice and Fire role-playing game titled, simply, Game of Thrones. And I have to say, it looks pretty good.

In addition, the developers gave a presentation on the game to members of the press in France. French ASOIAF fan site La Garde de Nuit was in attendance and provided a detailed report via Westeros.org. Here is a snippet:

Game of Thrones: The Roleplaying Game puts players in control of two original characters, Mors Westfold and Alester Sarwyck. They do not appear in the novels, although GRRM has indicated to the studio that he might choose to make mentions of them, their families, or details from the game’s story in later novels. The game does now have an open world like Skyrim or the old Baldur’s Gate game. Instead the story is divided into point of view-based “chapters”, with cliffhangers and twists ending each chapter, much like in the novels where one chapter from the perspective of one character is followed by a chapter from a completely different character. Both of them have special abiltiies and three fighting modes. Mors is a skinchanger and can slip into his dog to find secret paths or to listen in on conversations, and he can even follow a character’s tracks through scent. Alester is a red priest who can set fire on his sword using wildfire, he can look into the flames to find secrets, at higher levels, can use certain fire-based magic.

The characters are fixed in terms of background and appearances, but you can customize them greatly in terms of their abilities. First, you can choose different fighting styles. Mors can be set as a “Ragnar” [possibly Magnar? -Elio] (allowing dual-wielding), Hedge Knight (one two-handed weapon) or Landed Knight (a weapon in the hand, a shield on the other). Alester, on the other hand, can be set up as a Water Dancer (light and agile, with a slender blade), a Sellsword (daggers and poisons), or Ranger (Bow and arrows).

UPDATE: Fantasy.fr was there as well and actually has a couple videos of the full presentation It’s in French, obviously, but the videos do show actual gameplay. The videos have been removed.

UPDATE: The official site for the game is now live. Check it out for more details and an all-new trailer narrated by the Old Bear himself, James Cosmo!

Winter Is Coming: This… actually seems pretty awesome. I’m not a graphics snob, not even close, so those visuals look pretty great to me. And the gameplay sounds, if not wholly original, at least like it will be fun to play. With this, the DVD/Blu-Rays and season two, early spring is going to be a great time to be a Game of Thrones fan.


155 Comments

  1. Dominique Lavigne
    Posted December 21, 2011 at 9:29 am | Permalink

    First!

    Huh !?!
    At 1:50, is that a cameo by an animated GRRM?

    Edit: Was there ever a canon mention of eyeglasses in ASOIAF? Just lengthen the beard, add suspenders and a cap, it’s GRRM!

  2. Joe Blanche
    Posted December 21, 2011 at 9:30 am | Permalink

    Varys at 1:45? Looks pretty sweet!

  3. Hilda
    Posted December 21, 2011 at 9:32 am | Permalink

    Meh….it looks cool! But there are graphics out there that look so much better in the gaming world. But this should be fun for the gaming fans out there!

  4. The Winter Rose
    Posted December 21, 2011 at 9:34 am | Permalink

    So two playable characters and neither of them are female? :/ I really wish video game makers would start having more PC characters be female. I mean there are so many great female characters in ASoIaF and many female fans, also. It bothers me how the video game companies continue to glaze over how many female fans are out there.

  5. C2
    Posted December 21, 2011 at 9:35 am | Permalink

    I think it looks pretty bad, visually. However, if the narrative and story is good enough I would still play it.

  6. João Amaral
    Posted December 21, 2011 at 9:42 am | Permalink

    looks decent, visually. And the story line, if well constructed, this could be a very good game.
    I just hope it’s better than lord of the rings war in the north. The story in that game, and the characters were pretty bad, in my opinion.

  7. Gust
    Posted December 21, 2011 at 9:47 am | Permalink

    I care little enough for graphics as long as they work within the context of the game (as in I still enjoy older games even if it’s my first time playing them, also don’t mind unimpressive graphics if the story engages the mind in other ways), and I gotta say, seeing the red priest lighting up his sword made me pretty excited. My excited I mean my penis responded to the notion of playing such a gentleman.

    Gotta agree on the complaint of no female character. I would hope there are at least some minor alternative PoVs, but come on… it’s not as if playing Arya in this kind of game wouldn’t be the most awesome thing in the history of forever. Could certainly see someone inspired by Mel, Asha, Ygritte or even… *shudder* Brienne. (The fact that it would rob her of her uniqueness in the world of ASoIaF notwithstanding.)

  8. Idaan
    Posted December 21, 2011 at 9:49 am | Permalink

    So, there are shadow assassins? I wonder how is this Alester guy going to, uh… summon them since he’s clearly unable to get pregnant.

  9. Marius
    Posted December 21, 2011 at 9:50 am | Permalink

    The Winter Rose,

    So two playable characters and neither of them are female? :/ I really wish video game makers would start having more PC characters be female. I mean there are so many great female characters in ASoIaF and many female fans, also. It bothers me how the video game companies continue to glaze over how many female fans are out there.

    This isn’t a jab supposed to offend females, and you’re being very unreasonable when reacting to it. There are games with only female characters and there are games with only male characters. You can’t demand that all games with more than 1 protagonist has an equal amount of male and female characters. Surely you must see how unreasonable this is. Especially because this game is based on a book series with a highly man-dominated world. Sure, there are characters like Asha, Brienne and Arya, but the thing about them is that they are deviants and highly unique. If they made a game where female fighters became a normal thing, it just wouldn’t seem like Westeros anymore.

    On another note, I honestly don’t care about the somewhat outdated graphics. This looks interesting and I’ll definitely play it. A game if nothing if it has no gameplay value, which is why modern games often fail so much. Sure, those amazing near photorealistic graphics are great too look at but once you’ve played for 15 minutes you’ve already gotten all you’re gonna get out of your 50 dollar game. Hopefully these graphics means more thought have been put into the actual game.

  10. Robett, the Mighty Warhammer
    Posted December 21, 2011 at 9:54 am | Permalink

    Looks pretty good. I like the skinchanger option!!! And it is great that we can explore Westeros without being the characters of the books, because we would already now their end.
    And why is GRRM in the video??? I don’t think that glasses like those existed in that time (correct me if I’m wrong :p)
    Too bad that it is going to be released only in 2012… It’s not going to help me spend the time until the release of season 2..

  11. Epic lovely time
    Posted December 21, 2011 at 10:03 am | Permalink

    Marius: Surely you must see how unreasonable this is.

    She’s a woman? And don’t her Shirley.

  12. The Winter Rose
    Posted December 21, 2011 at 10:07 am | Permalink

    Marius,

    I don’t think I am being unreasonable at all. One of the things I happen to love about ASoIaF is that there are so many interesting and well written female characters. Many PoV female characters. I think we can all agree that they play a huge part of the story. Personally, I would have liked to have seen a PoV PC be a female to see a female experience in the world of Westeros because the experience is so different from the male characters. I feel that could have been very interesting and also given a great chance to play up alot of the politics and such. I am not saying they needed to have a female fighter character. But why not have a female noble or spy or priestess?

  13. The Lightning Lord
    Posted December 21, 2011 at 10:10 am | Permalink

    Hilda,

    Not true, unless you’re looking at AAA games like Uncharted, which obviously you can’t compare this game to as the budgets are astronomically different. The graphics look close to Skyrim though, and I’d say equals it, and the game world looks vast and ASOIAF quality, so that’s a fantastic achievement. For a relatively small studio I think they’ve done splendidly and we should support this game 100%.

  14. Knurk
    Posted December 21, 2011 at 10:10 am | Permalink

    Marius: This isn’t a jab supposed to offend females, and you’re being very unreasonable when reacting to it. There are games with only female characters and there are games with only male characters. You can’t demand that all games with more than 1 protagonist has an equal amount of male and female characters. Surely you must see how unreasonable this is. Especially because this game is based on a book series with a highly man-dominated world. Sure, there are characters like Asha, Brienne and Arya, but the thing about them is that they are deviants and highly unique. If they made a game where female fighters became a normal thing, it just wouldn’t seem like Westeros anymore.

    uh-oh sexism debate! Why is it so unreasonable to ask for a female character? ‘Surely you must see how unreasonable this is?’ Brrr.

    You say yourself that the female characters are unique, isn’t it perfectly reasonable to ask for a unique POV in an RPG?

  15. Winter Is Coming
    Posted December 21, 2011 at 10:14 am | Permalink

    Marius, it’s not unreasonable at all. There are many central female characters in ASOIAF and many female fans of the series, so hoping and asking for a female PC in the RPG is the epitome of reasonable.

    Alternate, more snarky reply: Careful, your male privilege is showing.

  16. Epic lovely time
    Posted December 21, 2011 at 10:17 am | Permalink

    Knurk: Why is it so unreasonable to ask for a female character

    To ask is not unreasonable. To expect a male dominated industry to go out of its way to include women all the time… I don’t know. Why not just play as the man? It’s a video game. (Emphasis on video game.)

  17. YourFace
    Posted December 21, 2011 at 10:18 am | Permalink

    Marius,

    Holy gaslighting, batman. You are a piece of work. Do you psychologically abuse all women into feeling their OPINION is wrong, or is Winter Rose just special? DIAF.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gaslighting

  18. G_Lee
    Posted December 21, 2011 at 10:24 am | Permalink

    This looks not as bad as the other game, but still like complete crap!
    I get NO aSoIaF feeling AT ALL when watching the trailer. And all those similar looking bodybuilders on steroids – ready to participate in a Mister Universe Bodybuilder competition – who are supposed to be characters out of a realistic world… totally unconvincing.
    Well, unless steroids, protein-shakes and gyms are mentioned somewhere in the books and I’ve only missed it.

  19. raegenhere
    Posted December 21, 2011 at 10:32 am | Permalink

    Its kinda strange, the graphics quality ranges from pretty good to very bad. The unreal engine is quite powerful, but the seem to use some very low quality models, like they used 10 years ago when PCs couldn’t handle that many polypons and high resolution textures.
    I don’t really understand this, it’s not that much more work doing high quality models than low quality ones, usually one makes hig quality ones anyway and simplifies them as needed. Maybe the reused material from some old project?

    But tbh, that doesn’t really bother me. Whats does bother me is the visual style of the game… giant shoulder armor, dualwielding giant axes… I really loathe this, its a disease among RPGs. This is not Warhammer or Warcraft… ASOIAF is supposed to be a bit more “realistic”.

    Well, I probably will get it nonetheless.

  20. Joram van Schaik
    Posted December 21, 2011 at 10:39 am | Permalink

    Perhaps you could take over a female body as that skinchanger? :P

  21. Mourning Star
    Posted December 21, 2011 at 10:40 am | Permalink

    YourFace,

    I agree, there should be more females in the game. It looked like it was lacking in the nudity, sex and whoring departments.

  22. Joram van Schaik
    Posted December 21, 2011 at 10:40 am | Permalink

    G_Lee,

    Seriously? You watched the same trailer I did? With Varys and GRRM in it?

  23. Steve Hugh Westenra
    Posted December 21, 2011 at 10:40 am | Permalink

    I’m certainly intrigued, although I too would have liked to have seen a playable female character (I feel like they could have diversified the two experiences even more in this way).
    I don’t think it’s too much to ask for the option to play a female, and frankly, the fact that it’s considered a male-dominated industry is a great incentive to start doing something about that, or at least ask why that is the case.
    Of course it doesn’t make sense for every game to have the option to be both (e.g. games like Zelda or Silent Hill wherein you play as only one character anyway), but I would have thought GoT/ASoIaF an excellent candidate for a female protagonist, especially as there are two characters anyway. It just seemed glaringly obvious to me as I watched the trailer, and I say this as a man (not the real kind though, as I don’t take steroids!).

  24. Dragolf
    Posted December 21, 2011 at 10:41 am | Permalink

    The Winter Rose,

    This. I won’t be playing. Female gamers are overlooked far too often, and it’s kinda uncool that in a series that has such strong female characters there won’t be an option to play one.

  25. Winter Is Coming
    Posted December 21, 2011 at 10:42 am | Permalink

    Mourning Star:
    YourFace,

    I agree, there should be more females in the game.It looked like it was lacking in the nudity, sex and whoring departments.

    What a disgusting comment. You bring shame on our gender.

  26. The Lightning Lord
    Posted December 21, 2011 at 10:43 am | Permalink

    G_Lee,

    The vast majority of people who’ve commented on places like TSA and Eurogamer are pretty receptive towards the game, so you two are out of touch with the realities of game development these days if you think it’s “complete crap”. Just look at other game tie-ins which aren’t even half as good as this one, at this early a stage, or uh, play Skyrim and tell me if the graphics in that game are that much better. Stop comparing this game to an Uncharted or Halo.

  27. The Winter Rose
    Posted December 21, 2011 at 10:53 am | Permalink

    Mourning Star:
    YourFace,

    I agree, there should be more females in the game.It looked like it was lacking in the nudity, sex and whoring departments.

    Wow. How incredibly classy. Your mother must be proud.

  28. feyrband
    Posted December 21, 2011 at 10:57 am | Permalink

    Many video games lack female characters for the same reasons they dumb down everything and cater to the casual base: they’re going for the quick and easy money.
    You also have to keep in mind that this is potentially the first game of many. The first book didn’t have the female characters doing anything worth making a full (action) game about. You could’ve maybe went with a Brienne prequel, and still could, but this wouldn’t parallel the other story line at all. Wildling spearwife maybe? Asha pirate adventure? Arya Assassin’s Creed? These things have potential, but don’t fall in line with what this story seems to be about.
    I imagine they’re going with the idea of something somewhat safe at first to see how sales do, in order to get more funding for future projects. As is the unfortunate case with the vast majority of projects now.

    As for the graphics, the world and particularly the building textures seem to be pretty solid. The trees and character models are less so, but I don’t expect people to be that turned off by them. Plus the more accessible the game is (lower sys reqs), especially when starting new series, the better.

  29. The Lightning Lord
    Posted December 21, 2011 at 11:01 am | Permalink

    feyrband,

    Especially since the trees and character models in a game like Skyrim aren’t that much different in terms of detail, and well it didn’t hinder them, did it? That being said, if it’s playable on the PS3 it’ll be better than Skyrim in my book. >:3

  30. YourFace
    Posted December 21, 2011 at 11:04 am | Permalink

    Mourning Star,

    I agree with you. I hope there’s a seduction mission with a minigame where you bang ALL THE DUDES. Marathon style. Best game ever.

  31. Daniel
    Posted December 21, 2011 at 11:08 am | Permalink

    Dominique Lavigne,

    No, that’s a hipster maester. ;)

  32. feyrband
    Posted December 21, 2011 at 11:09 am | Permalink

    YourFace:
    Mourning Star,

    I agree with you.I hope there’s a seduction mission with a minigame where you bang ALL THE DUDES. Marathon style. Best game ever.

    ala… Dragon Age

  33. Daniel
    Posted December 21, 2011 at 11:10 am | Permalink

    Winter Is Coming: What a disgusting comment. You bring shame on our gender.

    …but ASOIAF has its share of strong female roles who whore themselves out and use sex to manipulate men. I think you may want to take the previous comment in stride.

  34. GrandmaFunk
    Posted December 21, 2011 at 11:11 am | Permalink

    on the issue of gender options: given that there’s only two characters and that they went for specific archetypes within the setting, I would agree that it’s somewhat ‘unreasonable’ to complain about not being able to play a female character…

    at least, on the same level that I would find it unreasonable to complain that you can’t play as an Iron Born, or a Summer Islander, or a farmer, or a maester, etc..

    at some point they had to choose the two characters whose story they wanted to tell…just because you don’t feel these choices represent you personally in some way(be it based on gender, race, cultural affinity) doesn’t mean the developer is trying to marginalize you

  35. The Winter Rose
    Posted December 21, 2011 at 11:16 am | Permalink

    Daniel,

    I think it is pretty obvious that Mourning Star was being purposefully inflamatory and misogynistic in their comment. WiC is simply calling out the posters rather offensive behavior.

  36. Alan
    Posted December 21, 2011 at 11:16 am | Permalink

    Kudos to them for:

    - Not following the plot of the book (almost all games that do this end up awful)

    - Doing things a bit differently but in line with the books (the chapter/cliffhanger structure), and it may be better to think of this less as a traditional RPG than an Uncharted type.

    - Incorporating the Red Priest and Skinchanging.

    Boo for:

    - It’s probably still going to suck. Games that do this well spend a lot of time on engine and world.

    - Not being open world. I get that they don’t have time to be Bethesda but an open world Westeros would be ridiculously awesome. And I don’t do MMORPG, so someone please license this for the TES engine.

    - Related: not opening it up to many different houses, walks of life, etc. I’d love an open world where you could play a man or woman, a noble or common, pick your house, pick your vocation (skinchanger, red priest, knight, sellsword, spy, faceless man, maester, etc) like TES or even something a bit less open world like Dragon Age.

  37. Lala
    Posted December 21, 2011 at 11:27 am | Permalink

    No female charaters, bah.

  38. Steve Hugh Westenra
    Posted December 21, 2011 at 11:51 am | Permalink

    feyrband,

    Any of those would have been cool! I also think it would have been neat to have both a fighting character and perhaps someone more on the “intrigue” side of ASoIaF, and there easily could have been a female character in a role like that, staying true to the world in terms of the likelihood of female warriors, as well as incorporating more of the flavour of the novels (which are more about intrigue and character than bashing people left and right anyway). Or, the red priest could have been a woman (we have Melisandre after all), or maybe the Night’s Watch recruit could have been a female warrior in disguise. There are all sorts of interesting ideas that could have been built on. I’m sure there could have been a lot of interesting differences between how the male character was treated and how the female one was that I think would provide an enriching experience.

    As to those asking where we draw the line in terms of making sure everyone feels included, I mean…female/male is pretty basic stuff. Unless you’re making a sandbox or something like that then you probably can’t (and shouldn’t) try to make a character of every possible gender/race (yes, there are more than two genders), but I think having a male and a female perspective isn’t that much to ask for, and also provides for some good storytelling opportunities.

  39. The Winter Rose
    Posted December 21, 2011 at 11:55 am | Permalink

    GrandmaFunk,

    This site allows for commentary by fans to create an online community and allow the expression of opinions based on the posts presented. If it didn’t, WiC wouldn’t have enabled comments, so I do not feel that having an opinion nor verbalizing said opinion is “unreasonable”. It is my opinion and I am entitled to it. Just as others have made their opinions known for casting decisions to what they want to see in DVD extras.

    As a female, a fan and a gamer, I would have liked to have seen a PC character be female because I think it would be fun to play through a GoT RPG through a female characters experience. Especially since the books (and show) feature a number of very strong and interesting female characters. The video game industry is generally male-dominated and as such they tend to cater to male players and in doing so there are usually limited female PC characters. I happen to be of the opinion that the GoT RPG would have been a good medium for the video game industry to be a bit more gender inclusive and add a female character while fitting in with the theme and genre of the source material.

    That being said, as a number of commenters have also expressed their wishes that they too would have liked to see a female PC character, I am clearly not alone so please stop gaslighting us and trying to invalidate our opinions.

  40. GrandmaFunk
    Posted December 21, 2011 at 12:16 pm | Permalink

    gaslighting? what part of my post is even remotely close to being “psychological abuse”???

    I’m discussing a common problem where players will complain about available choices and customization and what I think of that in general and how it applies here.

    I’m allowed to my opinion just as much as you are, so please don’t try to frame mine as some kind of misogynistic attack on you.

  41. The Halfhand
    Posted December 21, 2011 at 12:42 pm | Permalink

    Did i just see someone say that this game will be better than skyrim? I mean its obvious were all huge ASOIAF fans but lets not get ahead of ourselves. Skyrim to me (and the majority of game critics) is quite possibly the greatest game ever and it will take a whole lot more than a ASOIAF themed game world for me to put it over that game

  42. Winter Is Coming
    Posted December 21, 2011 at 12:49 pm | Permalink

    Updated the post to add:

    Fantasy.fr was there as well and actually has a couple videos of the full presentation. It’s in French, obviously, but the videos do show actual gameplay.

  43. Charles
    Posted December 21, 2011 at 1:07 pm | Permalink

    Cyanide = crap developer.

  44. feyrband
    Posted December 21, 2011 at 1:08 pm | Permalink

    Alan:
    .And I don’t do MMORPG, so someone please license this for the TES engine.

    Bethesda is releasing the full toolset they used to create Skyrim. So like all of the mods that came out for Oblivion, someone dedicated to the cause could just as well create a full ASOIAF game/mod for Skyrim.

  45. Kaeliss
    Posted December 21, 2011 at 1:24 pm | Permalink

    I disagree with you about female characters in video games.

    Just look at this year’s games with Fantasy setting. Knight Contracts, The first templar and Hunted all have a male+female protagonists duo. LOTR: war in the north have a female+2 males trio. Skyrim and Dragon Age 2 let you choose at characters creation if your character is male or female as most RPG and MMORPG do. FFXIII have a female main protagonist. Fighting games have usually as many females as males characters etc.

    So modern games have plenty of females characters to play with.

    ASoIaF do have a lot of great female characters but how many of those are fighters ? (which is the kind of protagonists you need for that kind of game) In most of Westeros regions, female fighters are a great minority. And that’s why characters like Brienne or Arya are given such hard time about their “life choices” and that’s one of the thing that makes them such interesting characters. If you start putting female fighters everywhere for the sake of equality, you take this away imo.

    In that case one of the character is from the night’s watch, so making him a female char is out of the question. The other one is a priest so making him a female char would make it even more of a cliché (male warrior+female mage/archer) than having 2 males characters. Plus the game will have several characters that will fight in your team. Chances are some of them will be female…

    So is wanting a GoT RPG to have a female protagonist unreasonnable? of course not. Is saying the developpers totally disregard female fans just because the two main protagonists are male characters unreasonnable? Yes I think it might be.

    On a side note I personally think there is sometimes too many female fighters in fantasy game/novels. Don’t get me wrong, I LOVE a great female warrior character. But too many of them sometimes make it unrealistic (when those world are based on middle age like era for example or when those women are very thin but somehow wear heavy armor and swing Greatsword or Warhammer) and making them too common sometimes make them lose their “uniqueness”.

    As for this game I think this looks interesting. I’m not a big graphic fan so this look fine to me. The story seems in the spirit of the books. Of course I wished it would have been open world but considering the budget I wasn’t expecting it to be. I can’t wait to run arround Winterfell or Port Real, run into some of the books characters with the faces of the actors of the show or play as a warg!

    PS: Also Hello, I don’t usually post here but read this website a lot :p

  46. The Winter Rose
    Posted December 21, 2011 at 1:26 pm | Permalink

    GrandmaFunk,

    I apologize to the extremity of the accursation to you (though not to some of the others who are being incredibly misogynistic), which I agree was unfair on my behalf so I hope you can accept my apology on that. However, I do not feel that I am in any way being unreasonable. My opinion is not without reason. It is a valid and rationalized opinion that holds merit, and so I find it unfair to attempt to invalidate it by saying it is unreasonable.

    I can understand and sympathize getting tired of complaints. However that’s what comments are for – for people to be allowed the chance to let their voice be heard. Personally, I find nothing wrong with people expressing their desires to wanting to see certain aspects available in games. If we all stayed silent, how would things change?

    Furthermore I very rarely even voice my opinion. And very, very rarely do I ever post anything negative. I am not a chronic complainer. For me, I was excited about a GoT RPG and disappointed that there were no female PC character options available especially considering that there are a great wealth of prominent female characters in the story. I was simply lamenting that it was a shame that there was not a female character option available and making a commentary on how this frequently occurs in the video game industry as a way to reach out and connect with my fellow fans. But reactions like the ones I have been met with here are the reason I very rarely comment or read comments.

  47. feyrband
    Posted December 21, 2011 at 1:36 pm | Permalink

    Kaeliss:

    On a side note I personally think there is sometimes too many female fighters in fantasy game/novels. Don’t get me wrong, I LOVE a great female warrior character. But too many of them sometimes make it unrealistic …

    See: anime and eastern>asian>japanese games.

  48. The Winter Rose
    Posted December 21, 2011 at 1:48 pm | Permalink

    Kaeliss,

    Thank you so much for providing such intelligent and eloquent criticism and commentary. It is truly appreciated. Yes, I do see what you are saying and I would tend to agree with you. The video game market is at least starting to make efforts to be more inclusive in regards to offering customization and playable protagonist female characters, I agree. And yes, I completely agree with your points of concern that offering female fighting characters runs the risk of cheapening the reality of the source material in this case. Yes. I agree. However, in wishing for a female character PC, I was not thinking of it as a martial based character but more as a political based one. Yes, GoT has a lot of combat however there is also so a great deal of political intrigue and machinations at work too. And for something that claims to be an RPG, I wish more role playing actually were at play and less sword swinging. If RPGs are going to call themselves RPGs, then I think they need to offer more options and have more actual role play occur in game. I think it would have been more interesting if they had decided to go with a combat oriented character and a political oriented character so you could have both experiences, and since I agree that it pulls too much away from canon to have a female fighter (because yes, having everyone be a female fighter in the world minimized the impact of characters like Arya and Brienne), then why not have a political based character be female, whose experience would be vastly different from the others? It would have been something I personally would have liked to have seen done and something I think could have made for a very unique experience that captures a major theme of the canon beyond combat. The video game industry has so much potential and yet I don’t think it has gotten to the point to wow me yet. I want to see a video game do for the industry what Punchdrunk has done for theater. But, hey, maybe I am alone in being tired of combat based video games. I guess I just need to return to pen and paper RPGs, LARPs and immersion theater.

  49. Steve Hugh Westenra
    Posted December 21, 2011 at 2:05 pm | Permalink

    Kaeliss,

    I think you make some good points, and this is one of the few arguments I can see being made with any real value to it as to why it makes sense not to have many female fighters, etc, but who says the female character needs to be a fighter? This is an RPG (supposedly), not a fighting game (I shall save my rant about the disappearance of genre in video games for a later date/different website).
    Besides, though it’s true that women as playable characters in games are on the increase, most of those female characters exist purely as pairs of tits on legs for the benefit of straight male gamers. MMOs and sandboxes with customize-able bodytypes/faces are a bit of an exception, as you essentially make your own character from near-scratch, but that isn’t by any means the only genre in gaming. Female characters from fighting games are some of the worst for exploitation, though the level of sheer cheese is sometimes amusing in and of itself. ASoIaF would have been a great opportunity to show a strong female protagonist, not necessarily in terms of kicking-ass (most game characters do that, regardless of gender), but in terms of development, detail and relevance to the plot. Most female characters in games are relegated to the role of love interest. And taking FFXIII as an example, consider how long it actually took for Square to have a female lead? 13 GAMES. All thirteen of which, I should point out, are set in fantasy worlds that don’t really take that much from real world politics or our history, and so it seems inaccurate to say they should stay true to the historical ratio of male to female warriors, etc. You could say that about a lot of games, and certainly many of the futuristic ones that supposedly portray more advanced, culturally-aware societies.
    Furthermore, much as male gamers generally consider themselves the default person in terms of audience, the male option of a character usually seems to be considered the default (e.g. male Shepard versus female Shepard in the Masss Effect games– I, for one, would have loved to have seen the studio making the film of the game opt for the less traditional, female lead in this case, despite having played a male Shepard myself).
    It may seem like such a small thing, but changing, even in tiny corners of pop-culture, such as gaming, the way women and other minorities are portrayed goes a long way to opening people’s minds up to be less shallow and bigoted in real life.
    One of my saddest gaming experiences was playing Resident Evil 2 with a male friend of mine, who told me he didn’t like playing as Claire, the female character, because it made him feel more frightened and weak playing the game. :/ There was much grimacing.

  50. EvilPicnic
    Posted December 21, 2011 at 2:07 pm | Permalink

    Any ideas what platforms this game is aimed at? PC of course, but while other articles I’ve read have mentioned ‘next-gen consoles’ (presumably x360 and PS3) I haven’t heard any hype or definitive confirmation regarding a console version. Which is strange considering launch isn’t that far away.

    The Winter Rose
    PC character

    ‘Player character character’ ?? :p

    I pretty much completely agree with your position though: in this day and age when games (especially crpgs) are all about ‘choice’, missing out an entire gender is unacceptable. Recent example: Brink boasting 100 quadrillion character combinations… as long as you want to be male. Which is disgraceful.

    I’m willing to cut this game a little slack though since ‘the characters are fixed in terms of background and appearances’ and there are just two of them. The Dunk & Egg novellas are not sexist merely because the two main characters are both male. If this game is successful, spawns a sequel, and that sequel features a larger cast of characters but no female ones, THEN I would be concerned.

    Epic lovely time: To ask is not unreasonable. To expect a male dominated industry to go out of its way to include women all the time… I don’t know. Why not just play as the man? It’s a video game. (Emphasis on video game.)

    According to the ESA (http://www.theesa.com/) 42% of gamers are women, with adult women representing a greater portion of the game-playing population (37%) than boys age 17 or younger (13%).

    Dev teams may still be very blokey clubs, but when they fail to cater to their customers everyone loses out.

  51. Jerelyn
    Posted December 21, 2011 at 2:08 pm | Permalink

    All they have to do to include a female fighter is to haul out one of the Mormont daughters, or another woman from the Bear Island. That would be completely consistent with the world’s lore.

    I just think they got lazy and didn’t want the work of creating another set of PC animations. This way they only need to develop man-imations, since the female NPCs will probably just stand around as talking heads.

  52. Steve Hugh Westenra
    Posted December 21, 2011 at 2:08 pm | Permalink

    The Winter Rose:
    Kaeliss,

    But, hey, maybe I am alone in being tired of combat based video games. I guess I just need to return to pen and paper RPGs, LARPs and immersion theater.

    Not alone! I agree wholeheartedly. I’m tired of seeing franchises (of games) I enjoy all giving up their respective genres to turn into generic, combat-based games. It’s not that I don’t like combat, because those games are fun in their own right, but I’m a person who craves a diversity of experiences. A political, intrigue-based female character would have hit the spot for me.

  53. G_Lee
    Posted December 21, 2011 at 2:18 pm | Permalink

    The Lightning Lord,

    I actually played Skyrim and with “complete crap” I wasn’t refering to the graphics of the game. A game is certainly more than just graphics. I’m about the degree of realism. As mentioned before, double axe-wielding pumped bodybuilders on steroids with muscles that would shame Ronny Coleman just don’t fit in the world of ASOIAF. That stuff belongs to World of Warcraft, Warhammer or Dragonball not Game of Thrones.

  54. Winter Is Coming
    Posted December 21, 2011 at 2:28 pm | Permalink

    Great comments all! We had a bit of a rocky start on this thread here, but the level of discourse has risen considerably. :)

    And, welcome to the commenting world, Kaeliss! Hope you continue to comment as I always appreciate well-thought out responses and critiques.

    EvilPicnic: Any ideas what platforms this game is aimed at? PC of course, but while other articles I’ve read have mentioned ‘next-gen consoles’ (presumably x360 and PS3) I haven’t heard any hype or definitive confirmation regarding a console version. Which is strange considering launch isn’t that far away.

    It has been confirmed for PC, X360, and PS3. The LGdN/Westeros article even mentions that different teams worked on each version to ensure the interface makes sense for its respective platform.

  55. The Winter Rose
    Posted December 21, 2011 at 2:33 pm | Permalink

    Steve Hugh Westenra:
    This is an RPG (supposedly), not a fighting game (I shall save my rant about the disappearance of genre in video games for a later date/different website).

    Right there with you! I wonder if game designers understand what RPG actually means, because they just seem like glorified comabt oriented games with an occasional choice. When I think of the term Role Play Game I am assuming that the system will allow for strong emphasis on role play, choices, outcomes, and customization. Yes, it requires alot of programming, but so what? If you are going to do it – do it right and use the genre title appropriately.

  56. EvilPicnic
    Posted December 21, 2011 at 2:39 pm | Permalink

    Steve Hugh WestenraAnd taking FFXIII as an example, consider how long it actually took for Square to have a female lead? 13 GAMES.

    Just to point out that Terra, the protagonist of FFVI (or 3… depending on when/where you played it) was female, and in FFI you could play an all-female party (of white mages…), and if you count the numbered sequels (I usually don’t) FFX-2 had a female protagonist, as will the upcoming FFXIII-2.

    Overall though, yes, the prevalence of misogyny in the gaming industry is saddening. But seeing as we know very little about this game, would it not be wiser for us all to reserve judgement until release day? For all we know the plot could prominently feature various strong-willed and self-determined women, just like the books do.

    Can we get back to actually discussing the game, please? Like, has anyone heard tell of a release date other than ‘Q1 2012′? And when do we find out?

    Winter Is Coming:It has been confirmed for PC, X360, and PS3. The LGdN/Westeros article even mentions that different teams worked on each version to ensure the interface makes sense for its respective platform.

    Huzzah! WiC to the rescue! I’ve been preferring console releases over their PC equivalents recently (mainly cos my PC is a cranky piece of shit and I’m too lazy to upgrade), so this is good news!

  57. Rhaelia
    Posted December 21, 2011 at 2:40 pm | Permalink

    At 1:52, that guy just looks like GRRM, or it just me?

  58. Winter Is Coming
    Posted December 21, 2011 at 2:43 pm | Permalink

    EvilPicnic: Can we get back to actually discussing the game, please? Like, has anyone heard tell of a release date other than ‘Q1 2012′? And when do we find out?

    I believe they’ve narrowed it down to late Q1 2012. No idea when a firm date will be announced, sometime in Jan or Feb, I guess.

    Rhaelia:
    At 1:52, that guy just looks like GRRM, or it just me?

    Not just you! Pretty sure that is our GRRM in digital form. :)

  59. Epic New Music From
    Posted December 21, 2011 at 3:06 pm | Permalink

    If you exclude all the women that play Facebook games, figures are more clear about your target audience in “action-fightin’ medieval 3d video game”.

    Luckily for those guys who make games, they can buy nice information about their target audience. Which isn’t a free site with free information (never trust “free” when your own money is on the line).

    Since the success of Lara Croft, busty women have increasingly become a playable option in action games, for men’s pleasure. Google “best digital ass” and you will see top tier geek sites showing images of female character’s 3D butts in video games.

  60. Steve Hugh Westenra
    Posted December 21, 2011 at 3:08 pm | Permalink

    EvilPicnic,

    This is very true! I’d forgotten Terra completely (although I wouldn’t argue for the white mages in I, as I very much doubt you could last in that game with a party entirely composed of healers– feel free to prove me wrong though!).

    I don’t think any of this is off-topic though, as it’s all to do with the gaming industry and since much of what we comment on in our discussions of the show is speculation anyhow (it has to be, when we’re thrown only an occasional bone).

    The Winter Rose,

    I don’t mind not having a fully-customizeable character in the sense of Oblivion/Skyrim/Fallout, as I’m not much of a fan of this trend in most RPGs (I find them to be a bit faceless and cold somehow and am not a big sandbox fan in general), but I definitely appreciate good story, character development and styles of gaming that emphasize atmosphere, plot, etc, over action. There are a lot of sub-genres beneath the umbrella of RPGs, but I’ve always associated them foremost with rich, compelling storytelling and an emphasis on strategy and thought over the button-mash. I definitely think having a female and male protagonist would have allowed for more of that kind of experience, and when you have two characters that you switch between it somehow just seems obvious that it would be a good choice to do it that way. I definitely want to feel attached to the character(s) I’m playing, in any case. I’m not saying two male characters can’t do that, but like you I think having a male and female perspective would have made it all feel much fuller and more real/complete.

  61. vuron00
    Posted December 21, 2011 at 3:08 pm | Permalink

    The reason there are no female characters in the game is the same reason that I have major concerns for this game. Simple answer… the game was rushed. Regardless of what Lightning Lord is saying about the graphics, they are sub-par against today’s standards. They may be comparable on a platform like the XBOX, which is limited, but don’t even try to compare today’s AAA titles on the PC to this. Not only can you see the character models are low poly and blocky, but the textures are all low res and washed out.

    The game isn’t open world because that takes too much time. I’m guessing most of the game will be scripted and you’ll simply follow along fighting the scheduled encounters or performing the necessary actions. Someone wrote a script and a game was slapped together to guide you through the script. This is the formula for most TV/Movie adaption games.

    I really had low expectations when Cyanide was announced as the studio for this, and my opinion hasn’t changed after seeing the trailer. I’m sure that I’ll still buy it, though.

    Would it be too much to ask that a Mod Kit be released so that some of us could actually work to make the game better.

  62. Astalnar
    Posted December 21, 2011 at 3:11 pm | Permalink

    Don’t know how other take it, but graphicly, this looks like its is 5-6 years old. Looks like it was made for PS2, not for todays PS3 or not even to mention PC. I realy do hope their strong-point is story, otherwise this will fail.

  63. Steve Hugh Westenra
    Posted December 21, 2011 at 3:17 pm | Permalink

    Epic New Music From,

    Is the fact that there are fewer female gamers a sign that they aren’t interested though, or is it just that for a long time (and even still, to some degree) it’s not something we culturally associate with women, and therefore encourage them to participate in? I know a lot of people would say that by that I mean more games should be “made for women” in the style of FB games, Nintendogs and that sort of thing, but all I think it would take would be less sexism in games and less of a sexist attitude regarding who it is that buys any particular genre of video or computer game.
    I have a lot of male gamer friends/acquaintances who talk disparagingly about what they consider “female games” like the ones on facebook, but they aren’t female games at all, just casual, time-wasting games that their non-gaming friends play. I have quite a lot of female gamer friends, who play games like Witcher, etc, despite the sexism, and I can only imagine that more women would feel comfortable playing games if it wasn’t considered a no-girls-allowed club, which is ultimately what sexism turns it into.

  64. Epic New Music From
    Posted December 21, 2011 at 3:19 pm | Permalink

    vuron00: I’m sure that I’ll still buy it, though.

    Reason #1 licensed products are cheap.

  65. sndwurks
    Posted December 21, 2011 at 3:27 pm | Permalink

    Winter Is Coming,

    Do we know if this is going coming to the PSN / XBLA (i.e. will be downloadable content game) or if this will be a full product release? Or has that yet to be announced? Since it is using the Unreal engine according to the Westeros.org, it could really go either way. However, the price points for them would be, naturally, different.

  66. Tezeu
    Posted December 21, 2011 at 3:28 pm | Permalink

    I don’t understand why such a bad and poor company does this games? Is there no real market for them, because if the game would have been made by BioWare or by Bethesda I would have counted the seconds till it would be released.

  67. Epic New Music From
    Posted December 21, 2011 at 3:35 pm | Permalink

    Steve Hugh Westenra,

    Maybe you are talking more about the difference between casual and hardcore gamer.

    I know one or two hardcore female gamers, and they don’t play ‘guy’ games unless that game is really good (ie., Red Dead Redemption). There are lots of other games out there that appeal to women besides 3D action fighting games.

    But I’m sure there are some women that prefer watching Rambo over Bridget Jones… maybe a few. And if there was a movie called Rambette, I am sure I am happy for whatever women feel invited to some guy club.

  68. stevelabny
    Posted December 21, 2011 at 3:38 pm | Permalink

    Ok, I’m going to ignore those 90% of you who have clearly never played a video game and the 9% of you who play two of the AAA-titles each year about half-way through.

    This game does NOT look bad graphically. Its clearly not a AAA title but it looks fine. Saying it looks last-generation is just admitting you just bought a ps3 or 360 this week. Comparing it to top-tier PC games is a fallacy. You know what top-tier PC game? Farmville. But ;et’s not get into a console vs PC war.

    Art direction is just as if not more important than graphics. A game like Risen was kinda bashed or put aside because of poor graphics, but it was still a very pretty and atmospheric game to play. But again, you cant see atmosphere in trailers, you actually have to PLAY the games.

    The women argument is always a lost cause. You include the woman fighter, you get yelled at for lack of realism. You make the woman a priestess and you get accused of role-forcing. But worse than that, IMAGINE FOR A MINUTE what “true to game of thrones” dialogue would sound like as almost every male character in the game talked down to you for 30 hours? Its one thing in a book, its another on tv, but when youre now interacting in the world everyone would go ballistic. much better to just avoid it altogether.

    I skimmed the gameplay videos and the character menus looked ok, but UGH, its not an action combat game and that in-combat radial wheel looks kinda ugly.

    I do like hope that the skin-changing and fire-seeing can turn into puzzle/thinky/roleplaying type scenarios.

    I usually avoid movie/tv tie-ins but this one looks like it has some potential and at the very least, the music will be awesome.

  69. stevelabny
    Posted December 21, 2011 at 3:41 pm | Permalink

    Bioware and Bethesda make great games? Bioware makes relationship-simulators and Bethesda makes endless open-world glitch-fests that are pretty to look at and great for exploring but have some of the worst combat imaginable.

    Mass Effect is playable and has its moments, Dragon Age isn’t and didn’t.

    Fallout 3 was fun for a few hours but became a snooze-fest. I’m enjoying Skyrim a lot but the combat is still awful.

  70. stevelabny
    Posted December 21, 2011 at 3:45 pm | Permalink

    Steve Hugh Westenra:
    Epic New Music From,

    I can only imagine that more women would feel comfortable playing games if it wasn’t considered a no-girls-allowed club, which is ultimately what sexism turns it into.

    you have this backwards. Its not the boys who make video-gaming a no-girls club. That was the argument against comic books because most comic book shops were guy hangouts and therefore “scary”. But video games are sold in best buy and toys r us and amazon … nothing sexist or scary there.

    The women themselves make gaming a “no girls club” As in, they look down on other women who partake in the activity and say its a childish thing that some men still do.

    The “sexism” against games comes from the women themselves.

  71. Nathanyel
    Posted December 21, 2011 at 3:48 pm | Permalink

    Did they imply Thoros as a playable character?

  72. Hilda
    Posted December 21, 2011 at 3:53 pm | Permalink

    The Lightning Lord,

    Yeah,I know! Well I still only have a PSs so i am way behind in the gaming world!

  73. Steven Scott
    Posted December 21, 2011 at 4:00 pm | Permalink

    Looks pretty generic.

  74. jkb
    Posted December 21, 2011 at 4:03 pm | Permalink

    don’t look so good, it’s ok’ish at most tbh. i don’t mind low-tech engine if you can deliver awesome art style to make up for it (world of warcraft: piece of crap engine, great art) but it ain’t the case here. plus lack of open world and the fact they don’t show any actual fight mechanic doesn’t bode well. not even gonna bother to warez this one.

  75. The Winter Rose
    Posted December 21, 2011 at 4:03 pm | Permalink

    stevelabny,

    While I agree with you that females can often be harsher towards other females than males are to females (especially a non-gamer female to a gamer female), I think some of the earlier comments here prove that it’s not only non-female gamers making females feel this way. Furthermore, if you look at the comic books and video game industry, when female characters are represented they are usually highly sexualized. It’s far and few between when you get a chance to see interesting and multi-faceted female characters in geek culture. Gamer girls are fighting a two front battle, really. So I would have to disagree that the rift is caused by females doing this to themselves. It’s certainly, there, yes. It is a factor, sure. But it’s way more complex than that.

  76. Sebastian Dahler
    Posted December 21, 2011 at 4:08 pm | Permalink

    it looks okay
    but when I see Skyrim I just wish Bethesda would make a ASOIAF Game with a huge open world and custom Character creation.

  77. John-Michael Lelievre
    Posted December 21, 2011 at 4:08 pm | Permalink

    sndwurks,

    My guess is that it would be full product release.

  78. Epic New Music From
    Posted December 21, 2011 at 4:19 pm | Permalink

    The Winter Rose,

    I agree, it is very complex.

    I don’t know if any comments here prove anything.

    It would be interesting to see the results from a group of hardcore female gamers; whether they care if there is a playable female character. And even then would they actually buy it and stray from their tightly knit group of people on the same game which is of course online and social?

    It’s like the end of Metroid. Who knew he was a girl? And except for the ravening desperate boys with Samus crushes, who cares??? Does it really make a difference? Plenty of girls enjoy playing Mario or Luigi off the rescue the princess.

  79. Jerelyn
    Posted December 21, 2011 at 4:23 pm | Permalink

    stevelabny:
    IMAGINE FOR A MINUTEwhat “true to game of thrones” dialogue would sound like as almost every male character in the game talked down to you for 30 hours? Its one thing in a book, its another on tv, but when youre now interacting in the world everyone would go ballistic. much better to just avoid it altogether.

    You raise a very valid point, but rather than give up altogether, the answer lies in putting a twist on game traditions.

    Have the female POV be the “nightmare mode” option. ;)

    Weaker PC physical stats, shortage of useable armor, greater threat radius, reduced political/social/economic influence with NPCs….sounds about right.

  80. stevelabny
    Posted December 21, 2011 at 4:32 pm | Permalink

    Dungeons and Dragons used to have weaker stats for female characters and class restrictions too. It was decided that was the #1 reason why women didn’t play D&D and that it actually fostered sexism in never-been-kissed-nerds. The game totally moved away from that well over 10 years ago. Including embracing the obnoxiously PC mixed or female only pronouns.

    So that wouldn’t be a new twist, it would be a return to what everyone specifically ran away from.

  81. Epic New Music From
    Posted December 21, 2011 at 4:48 pm | Permalink

    stevelabny: It was decided that was the #1 reason why women didn’t play D&D and that it actually fostered sexism in never-been-kissed-nerds.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YlQmdkyNQ90&feature=related

  82. Virtus
    Posted December 21, 2011 at 4:50 pm | Permalink

    Dominique Lavigne:
    Edit: Was there ever a canon mention of eyeglasses in ASOIAF?

    I think the booky character from the Iron Isles (Asha’s uncle or something) had reading glasses, which he had ordered from the Free Cities. Those glasses in the trailer looked kind of modern in style though.

  83. Jerelyn
    Posted December 21, 2011 at 5:07 pm | Permalink

    stevelabny:
    Dungeons and Dragons used to have weaker stats for female characters and class restrictions too. It was decided that was the #1 reason why women didn’t play D&D

    Having run a mostly-female D&D campaign for 5 years during the era you refer to, I can say with absolute certainty that the rulesets never discouraged us.

    That said, having 5 nerd girls making the game their own probably buffered us from any annoying attitudes from our nerd boy pals, on those occasions we did larger campaigns. Solitary females may well have a different viewpoint.

    Back then…I think that was the right choice for D&D. But I’m not convinced it is the only choice for all circumstances. RPGs are getting more and more “low fantasy” and hard-hitting all the time. These things go in cycles, and what was a bad idea as the norm might not be a horrid idea as an option. It’s not too different from what they did with elves and casteless dwarves in Dragon Age…though in all honesty I don’t think playing either of those choices made the game harder.

    And you have to concede, it’s not like this game is going to be treating female NPCs as equals. You just won’t be able to play one. I don’t think that female players will necessarily feel OK about the role of females in a GoT-based game just because they are pretending to be a man. *chuckle*

  84. Gust
    Posted December 21, 2011 at 5:12 pm | Permalink

    The reason why I think an Arya-esque character would be neat (thinking along the lines of Arya of the first book, or season of the show perhaps, in regards to age) is precisely BECAUSE it would be one POV sneaking and chasing cats rather than fighting. I could always go with, say, a lady of the court or a little bird of Varys’s straight up Phoenix-Wrighting it. To me that would be a great way to use a POV system: accentuating the difference between the characters. I too am one of the people who believe that “I swing my longsword at the orc for 1d8 damage” is one of the least interesting parts of roleplaying.

    Then again, to get the kind of game I want it would need to simultaneously be an action, roleplaying, puzzle and adventure game. I think that, if anything, is a silly expectation. :(

    But yeah I ain’t too negative until I see more. At least it doesn’t look like the Wheel of Time game. :P

  85. Kaeliss
    Posted December 21, 2011 at 5:13 pm | Permalink

    The Winter Rose:
    Kaeliss,

    However, in wishing for a female character PC, I was not thinking of it as a martial based character but more as a political based one. Yes, GoT has a lot of combat however there is also so a great deal of political intrigue and machinations at work too. And for something that claims to be an RPG, I wish more role playing actually were at play and less sword swinging. If RPGs are going to call themselves RPGs, then I think they need to offer more options and have more actual role play occur in game. I think it would have been more interesting if they had decided to go with a combat oriented character and a political oriented character so you could have both experiences, and since I agree that it pulls too much away from canon to have a female fighter (because yes, having everyone be a female fighter in the world minimized the impact of characters like Arya and Brienne), then why not have a political based character be female, whose experience would be vastly different from the others? It would have been something I personally would have liked to have seen done and something I think could have made for a very unique experience that captures a major theme of the canon beyond combat.

    I agree with you and I would love to play a character and a game like this. I also agree that the video game industry should try and improve the non-combat side of video games.

    But considering even the biggest developpers in the video games industry tend to take as few risks as possible with their game nowadays, I think it’s a bit unfair to expect a small team, with low budget and a fairly short time to make the game, to break new ground. Especially since this is an adaptation. I would consider a game staying true to the books and with good basis as a modern RPG to be a success. And that would be more than most books/films to video game adaptation managed to achieve.

  86. TJ Flynn
    Posted December 21, 2011 at 5:23 pm | Permalink

    Graphics look pretty decent, but hopefully the gameplay holds up; I’ll be playing Skyrim in the meantime.

  87. loc073
    Posted December 21, 2011 at 5:24 pm | Permalink

    I am really not a huge fan of video games, but this trailer is awesome, made even more so by the soundtrack from the show!

    But when I saw the newly released trailer for “The Hobbit: An Unexpected Journey”…I pissed myself…shit…its finally here!?!?!?!

  88. Patchy face
    Posted December 21, 2011 at 6:13 pm | Permalink

    vuron00,

    Entirely agreenwith you that the makers rushed this in order to get out prior to S2 of the show. And also agree that the graphics seem to be second rate.. However, if there is an all new plot by GRRM, I am all in because will be playing more to see what happens rather than for gaming aspects. Really looking forward tonthis — let’s hold off on judging until someone actually experiences it. (would have liked to have seen female character though).

  89. Michał Młynarski
    Posted December 21, 2011 at 6:32 pm | Permalink

    Houser Ryger FTW! :)

  90. Adam Whitehead
    Posted December 21, 2011 at 7:10 pm | Permalink

    I don’t understand why such a bad and poor company does this games? Is there no real market for them, because if the game would have been made by BioWare or by Bethesda I would have counted the seconds till it would be released.

    GRRM and his agent tried to get BioWare and Bethesda interested back in the mid-2000s and both said no, despite being fans of the books. BioWare instead used ‘inspiration’ from ASoIaF to make DRAGON AGE and Bethesda said they didn’t want to take time out from their two existing franchises (ELDER SCROLLS and FALLOUT) to make another game, especially in the medieval epic fantasy genre that was already pretty close to ELDER SCROLLS. BioWare apparently even considered making an ASoIaF MMORPG as a back-up plan if LucasArts hadn’t gotten on board to make THE OLD REPUBLIC.

    So the question as to why a bigger developer didn’t take an interest is that they were offered the chance and they said no.

  91. Steve Hugh Westenra
    Posted December 21, 2011 at 8:46 pm | Permalink

    Epic New Music From,

    What I meant was that a lot of my hardcore, male gamer friends define certain games as female and others as male, and that I’ve noticed this trend mainly applying to what I consider casual gamer-targeted fare, such as facebook games and other social networking games. I think the reason these get associated with women is that there probably are less women playing “hardcore” console titles (not just action games though– I would include RPGs, survival horror, platformers…everything, basically), and my suggestion is that this isn’t because women are intrinsically disinterested in those types of games, but that we’re supposed to believe that they should be and because (as a consequence of being raised to think they should be) games and female characters in (most) games aren’t made with the female customer in mind. By this I don’t mean that a female customer would be looking for something entirely different (one of the most sexist and disgusting things I’ve ever seen was a “women’s section” all decorated in pink, selling Nintendogs at a Gamestop store), but that sexist content in the games themselves is likely off-putting and simply reinforces the idea that video and computer games are for boys.
    Hopefully that explained my position a little more clearly!

    I would also add, after reading your reply to TheWinterRose, that I don’t think women are necessarily turned off by playing a man, etc, but just that in certain contexts it’s strange that the option doesn’t exist. Certainly, saying women would identify more with Peach than Mario assumes A LOT about both men and women, is very gender essentialist, and is certainly not the answer. I enjoy playing both male and female characters in games, as many of my female gamer friends do, and really only ask that the characters be well-drawn in terms of their particular game (I mean, I don’t expect Mario, Peach, et al, to have a lot of depth, for instance).

    stevelabny,

    I meant the “no-girls-allowed” comment as an analogy, not a reference to an actual hangout spot or store, so apologies.
    Most of what I meant I think I’ve explained better in my above comment.
    Much like TheWinterRose, I agree that both men and women play a role in perpetuating the idea that women can’t, shouldn’t and wouldn’t be interested in gaming, but ultimately the onus falls on the developers, whether male or female. I think if developers started providing more games with intelligent, well-thought out female characters, women would feel more inclined to play (and this is something we are seeing happening, though very gradually, so I feel somewhat validated in my point). The issue of women considering games immature is likely also related to what our culture expects of them, as well as the fact that overtly adolescent content probably does come off as immature– because it is! This is not to say that all games must be mature at all times, etc, etc, but provide intelligent content and the audience will come (a la HBO, to use a pertinent analogy).
    I think saying that sexism in games and the gaming industry all comes from women is a bit much. You really don’t need to look far to find it, and women aren’t the only ones affected by it either (there’s plenty of male-targeted sexism in the assumption that we’re all meatheads who just want to watch things explode and fondle ourselves). There’s my example of the Gamestop store, for one, as well as the female characters in games like The Witcher (which I hear is especially bad for it, though I admit I haven’t played it myself). I was also told recently about an joint interview between the character designers for the Final Fantasy series and a western action-RPG series (I think it was The Witcher, actually), wherein they were asked how they come up with the designs for their females characters. The designer for FF talked about how he thought about the character’s background, personality, job, etc, and the Western designer said he designed the character based on what he’d want to sleep with. :/ Now, I was told second-hand about this interview, so if someone knows where I can find the actual thing I would be appreciative, but as it is a relatively recent couple of games that were being discussed I thought I’d mention it.
    I think this article is pretty good, and highlights better than I can some of the issues with female characters in games in general, using The Witcher as a more specific example: http://community.feministing.com/2008/12/10/subtle_sexism_analyzing_the_wi/

    Also, I don’t think it would be boring to play as a woman on the political side of ASoIaF, it’s just a different style of gameplay. I’m imagining something based on intrigue, exploration, etc, etc. There are all sorts of things you could do in a game like that without it being based solely on listening to male characters talk down to you (the books contain a lot more than that!).

  92. JWestfall
    Posted December 21, 2011 at 9:43 pm | Permalink

    Tezeu:
    if the game would have been made by BioWare or by Bethesda I would have counted the seconds till it would be released.

    Personally, I would have been excited to see CD Project RED to take on something like this. Whether or not TW2 is your cup o’ tea gameplay-wise, they certainly had some amazing art direction for that game, and weren’t afraid to include adult themes that felt actually aimed toward adults (unlike their first game).

    I think I’ll keep my eye on this, but I’m not hoping for anything too amazing. Tie-ins and sequels, even (or especially) those made by bigger studios, seem to be rushed out the door these days, and studios are hesitant to take chances, instead opting to copy-paste known formulas and generate interest with pretty cinematics.

    Or maybe I’m just old and cynical…

  93. Fann
    Posted December 21, 2011 at 10:24 pm | Permalink

    Winter Is Coming:
    Marius, it’s not unreasonable at all. There are many central female characters in ASOIAF and many female fans of the series, so hoping and asking for a female PC in the RPG is the epitome of reasonable.

    Alternate, more snarky reply: Careful, your male privilege is showing.

    I wish there was a like button for this comment. I mean really…women play and love gaming too.

    However in all fairness this seems to be the first iteration that could catch on and then Cyanide Studios and Atlus Entertainment could update this with more characters and scenarios.

    I am such a crazy fan girl about everything ASOIAF that this still pleases me :)

  94. Grant Gould
    Posted December 21, 2011 at 11:28 pm | Permalink

    The game trailer looks pretty cool to me.
    I’m new to videogames. I bought an xbox so that I could try out Skyrim (and, man, am I glad I did — AWESOME game!!)

    So, yeah, I’ll check out this GoT game when it comes out… Though it’ll be tough to beat Skyrim for me. That game is pretty much everything I wanted fantasy games to become.

  95. Jambo
    Posted December 22, 2011 at 12:28 am | Permalink

    Looks like it will be worth a rental at least, to check it out.

  96. Epic knows nothing
    Posted December 22, 2011 at 12:39 am | Permalink

    They certainly went out of their way to pixelize the show’s faces onto 3d models.

  97. GaR
    Posted December 22, 2011 at 2:30 am | Permalink

    I was getting ready to hate on this, but although the graphics aren’t exactly cutting edge, it looks like it could be quite decent.

    I still wish Bioware had picked up the IP…

  98. GaR
    Posted December 22, 2011 at 2:32 am | Permalink

    As much as I hate to get into the sexism debate, do keep in mind that this game is a pretty ambitious undertaking for Cyanide Studio, and it’d be quite an easy thing to do really wrong.

    Oh, and while I’m typing I should mention the blatant Assassin’s Creed hood in there. Who needs to see where they’re going anyway?

  99. Siobhan Mooney
    Posted December 22, 2011 at 4:25 am | Permalink

    Well, the RTS was okay but not amazing, so I don’t have high hopes for the RPG.

  100. Udi
    Posted December 22, 2011 at 4:39 am | Permalink

    The Winter Rose,

    Absolutely agree with you. And it is especially true of ASOIAF where the female characters are the most interesting and powerful. Anyway, we already have 1 game where Daenerys shines: Skyrim – for she is Dhovakiin!!!

  101. Udi
    Posted December 22, 2011 at 4:40 am | Permalink

    Grant Gould,

    True, so true!
    I thought of getting the GoT game but then I took an arrow to the knee… and am hooked on Skyrim :)

  102. Abyss
    Posted December 22, 2011 at 4:43 am | Permalink

    Here is a new trailer for the game. – And James Cosmo is doing the voice-over!

  103. Kieran
    Posted December 22, 2011 at 5:50 am | Permalink

    Just to add my two cents, I think the reason that both of the playable characters are male is because they are inconsequential. Neither has come up or been mentioned in the five books so far, and something like a woman making a massive differance logically would have had to come up. It’s an incredibly sexist world so women making a difference is noticable, I suppose to make it plausible with the canon, they had to make whatever events happen in this game involve men. I am sure there will be important women in the game, but expecting every game to be divided evenly based on the playerbase, especially in a world where women are effectively the property to be traded by their fathers for safe marraiges, is unfair. They are also both white guys, instead of one being a Summer Islander or something. This game sticks rigidly to the theme and is -at least in my opinion as it was written alongside GRRM- merely trying to present a possible side-story in the world, rather than having some super important female going on a journey of discovery which somehow never gets mentioned. Nymeria, for example, was a strong woman and comes up a lot in POV’s despite being dead for a /very/ long time so an important woman wouldn’t just be forgotten by the time of the books. And I guess a priestess etc. would have just not been interesting enough to play in an RPG?

  104. KG
    Posted December 22, 2011 at 6:38 am | Permalink

    Shouldn’t the game be accessible and enjoyable to everyone? Including women?

    They want us to watch the show.
    They want us to give them money for the game.

    If our fandom and our cash is good enough for them, shouldn’t we be properly represented as a game choice?

  105. purplejilly
    Posted December 22, 2011 at 6:58 am | Permalink

    Marius: You can’t demand that all games with more than 1 protagonist has an equal amount of male and female characters. Surely you must see how unreasonable this is.

    Why can’t we? And it’s not unreasonable at all! It’s equal rights :)

  106. KG
    Posted December 22, 2011 at 7:10 am | Permalink

    We’re half the population.

  107. Steve Hugh Westenra
    Posted December 22, 2011 at 8:03 am | Permalink

    I managed to get the article about the concept designers of FFXIII (2) and Deus Ex (not, in fact, The Witcher) off the friend who mentioned it to me, so here it is: http://kotaku.com/5851800/the-tits-have-it-sexism-character-design-and-the-role-of-women-in-created-worlds

  108. Michael
    Posted December 22, 2011 at 9:00 am | Permalink

    They should have licenced the Skyrim engine!

  109. dizzy_34
    Posted December 22, 2011 at 9:13 am | Permalink

    Back to the game, do we know if this is this PC, Console or both?

  110. Winter Is Coming
    Posted December 22, 2011 at 9:16 am | Permalink

    dizzy_34, both, as I mentioned earlier in this thread. :)

    PS Romo and the ‘boys are going down on Christmas Eve!

  111. Diriad
    Posted December 22, 2011 at 9:33 am | Permalink

    Naaaah… No, I don’t like it. Dunno, looks to me like Harry Potter games (with a non-book story, of course).

  112. sjwenings
    Posted December 22, 2011 at 10:25 am | Permalink

    purplejilly: Why can’t we? And it’s not unreasonable at all! It’s equal rights :)

    They wanna make money. And male characters sells better – so more male characters.

  113. Rod
    Posted December 22, 2011 at 10:58 am | Permalink

    Alester looks like too much Ezio from Assassins Creed.

  114. dizzy_34
    Posted December 22, 2011 at 11:10 am | Permalink

    Winter Is Coming: dizzy_34, both, as I mentioned earlier in this thread. :)PS Romo and the ‘boys are going down on Christmas Eve!

    Sorry, I had to scroll through all the exclusion of a Laura Croft on this game talk. :)

    And if it makes you feel any better I have to watch the game with my brother-in-law (big Eagles fan) due to the Holidays. Depending on if we kill each other, this may be my last post.

  115. Epic lovely time
    Posted December 22, 2011 at 11:12 am | Permalink

    Steve Hugh Westenra,

    So, that article sort of skims over some questionably sexy female character designs in Latoya Peterson’s favorite Final Fantasy games. It doesn’t address games that don’t have playable female characters which was slightly the topic.

    Near the end of the medieval action movie Ironclad (which is worth watching just to have Paul Giamatti briefly convince you in a monologue that absolute power in monarchy is the way to go), the defending soldiers are losing and they are advised to kill their own women before the enemy breaks through the last line (as a way to protect the women from a worse fate). Powerless as sheep.

  116. Julia Mathias
    Posted December 22, 2011 at 11:13 am | Permalink

    The Winter Rose,

    I’m pretty bummed about that too. It would’ve been pretty easy to make the red priest a female. I never get fully immersed when I’m playing as a guy.

  117. Melarra
    Posted December 22, 2011 at 11:33 am | Permalink

    The Winter Rose,

    Basically came here to say the same thing. There are two characters you play. There isn’t a reason that one couldn’t be female. It makes sense in games like Uncharted or Tomb Raider that you have one main character of one gender. If you have two characters, the logical thing is to split the genders. The red priest definitely could have been female, as there is already canon proof of female followers of R’hllor.

    In this day and age there is no reason for unequal representation. Bioware does this mostly right with their RPGs. There was nothing preventing Cyanide from making a female character, except for the myriad of bad reasons (patriarchy and social constructs, privilege, false belief that women do not play games and do not read fantasy).

    As a “serious” gamer, as a fantasy and sci fi fan, and as a woman, this is really unfortunate and may be the reason I do not pick up the game at all.

  118. Steve Hugh Westenra
    Posted December 22, 2011 at 11:58 am | Permalink

    Epic lovely time,

    No, and I do disagree with her on some points. I wasn’t so much posting that particular article because it expresses my own opinion (although I think she makes some good points), but because I mentioned the interview/panel she talks about as an example, but hadn’t read the article yet myself (I asked the friend who told me about it for the link, so until this morning I hadn’t seen it/read it myself). I wanted to provide it so it was clear I wasn’t making it up to suit my purposes, haha.
    I’m also certainly not championing the FF series as better in terms of its female characters (although I realize I used it as an example in my own comments). It’s a useful one because it’s widely known and has enough titles in the series that one can comment on developments and trends therein with more certainty.
    The point is not so much related to the existence of female characters at all, but tied into the point I was trying to make about how women usually are portrayed in games and how that might turn off potential female gamers. I see a GoT game as a perfect opportunity in the effort to turn that around, since the books have so many well-drawn female characters, and many of the main characters are women. The rest of what I’ve been saying expresses why it is I feel including fleshed-out female characters in playable roles (in GoT) is a good thing, and a missed opportunity.

    This isn’t addressed to you, Epic, but several people have made rather passive-aggressive comments about the thread going off-topic, and how none of this talk about gender in games is relevant, which strikes me as uncalled for, given the fact that we are discussing all of this in relation to the GoT game. It seems like there are two distinct conversations going on (one about gender and one about graphics). Personally, I don’t really care about graphics all that much, but I understand that for people who want to discuss that, this is a reasonable place for them to do so, just as it’s a reasonable place to have the discussion about women in games. Scrolling through comments is a pain sometimes, but it’s not like we all aren’t doing it.

  119. Laura
    Posted December 22, 2011 at 12:02 pm | Permalink

    KG,

    Exactly. I was about to mention that this game company must not like money or something. As a female gamer and ASOIAF fan, I was very excited to hear about this game. Then I watched the trailer …. I kept waiting, waiting … Where’s the character I’m going to play? I think, Oh, they just didn’t put it in the trailer. Let me go check some sites about the characters. Uh, you have two characters and they BOTH have to be dudes? So yeah, I don’t think I’ll be playing this game.

  120. dizzy_34
    Posted December 22, 2011 at 12:17 pm | Permalink

    Laura: KG, Exactly. I was about to mention that this game company must not like money or something. As a female gamer and ASOIAF fan, I was very excited to hear about this game. Then I watched the trailer …. I kept waiting, waiting … Where’s the character I’m going to play? I think, Oh, they just didn’t put it in the trailer. Let me go check some sites about the characters. Uh, you have two characters and they BOTH have to be dudes? So yeah, I don’t think I’ll be playing this game.

    Wait, so none of you ladies played video games till Ms. Pac-Man came out?
    None of us have played the game and I don’t know the story of the game either but maybe there’s a reason the characters are both dudes. If it alienates you, so be it, I just think it’s kind of silly.

  121. Laura
    Posted December 22, 2011 at 12:34 pm | Permalink

    dizzy_34,

    As Julia Mathias mentioned above and I agree, if I can’t relate to the characters I’m playing, I can’t get immersed in the game. There are tons of other great games out there with female leads or options so why waste my time on this one? I don’t think that’s silly in the slightest.

  122. Epic stromboneous
    Posted December 22, 2011 at 12:35 pm | Permalink

    Unless it’s Duke, it’s more soothing for me to stare at a woman’s running buttocks in tight deerskins for hours of gameplay, and the way the swoll’n female chest heaves after a good battle. If I was an insane (read: average) SoIaF fan, I wouldn’t care that I can’t select the female model and I would buy this game and play for ten minutes and then be done with it. But the game I am buying this season is the mainstream Star Wars, which by the way has customizable barbie girls with blonde hair and red lips for example. And if you browse the 600+ posts about people not being able to log in this morning, two or three are women who, as children, may or may not have played with dolls.

  123. Knurk
    Posted December 22, 2011 at 12:43 pm | Permalink

    Dutch fans: it’s now official, HBO is coming to the Netherlands with 3 channels. There isn’t an official date yet though, hopefully in time for season 2.

  124. Epic stromboneous
    Posted December 22, 2011 at 12:46 pm | Permalink

    Knurk,

    Uh oh, dey puttin Ragnar Danneskjöld outta business.

  125. Shinyteapot
    Posted December 22, 2011 at 12:48 pm | Permalink

    Since there’s a trailer narrated by the Old Bear, does that mean the game is likely to feature appearances- and dialogue- from lots of show characters? Any chance for a few extra ‘deleted scenes from the book’, as overheard by the game characters?

  126. Phalange
    Posted December 22, 2011 at 1:28 pm | Permalink

    No playable transvestite characters? Not interested.

  127. Laura
    Posted December 22, 2011 at 1:31 pm | Permalink

    Phalange,

    Yes, because females are as rare as transvestites. They’re not 50% of the population or anything.

  128. Steve Hugh Westenra
    Posted December 22, 2011 at 1:57 pm | Permalink

    Shinyteapot,

    I hope so! I imagine there will at least be a little of that sort of thing, otherwise they wouldn’t be fully capitalizing on the tie-in genre of the game. We did see Varys as well, so I suspect a lot of the cameos will be from characters of that nature (sort of side-characters, but still fan favourites, that kind of thing).

  129. Shinyteapot
    Posted December 22, 2011 at 2:11 pm | Permalink

    Steve Hugh Westenra,

    I’m not normally much of a gamer, but that does interest me! I know a few people who have games consoles, at least one of whom will be in need of a birthday present early next year. I could help him play it :-p

  130. raegenhere
    Posted December 22, 2011 at 3:13 pm | Permalink

    feyrband: Bethesda is releasing the full toolset they used to create Skyrim. So like all of the mods that came out for Oblivion, someone dedicated to the cause could just as well create a full ASOIAF game/mod for Skyrim.

    Usually those “blockbuster” games by big publishers (like skyrim) come either without or with quite limited moddability.
    Oblivion wasn’t very moddable too. Sure, you can get you own models in and stuff… but for more complex and ambititious projects struggle with (technically unnecessary) limitations everywhere.
    So there are loads of minimods around that add or change a few items and mess around with some gameplay parameters, but they won’t give modders access to the interesting stuff… that they reserve for DLCs, which wouldn’t sell that good otherwise.
    I don’t know whats the situation with skyrim, but I have a strong feeling it is quite like described above…

    I have much higher hopes for a decent Mount&Blade ASOIAF mod coming out… maybe it already is, haven’t checked the forums for a while.

  131. KG
    Posted December 22, 2011 at 4:19 pm | Permalink

    dizzy_34,

    Ms. Pac-Man came out in 1981. I’d like to think our society has progressed in the thirty years since.

  132. Antoniozeros
    Posted December 22, 2011 at 4:34 pm | Permalink

    SIMILAR to Skyrim? You were actually kidding, right? Graphics are bad, animation is bad. I just hope the storytelling will compensate it, if not, it will be another franchise-based money-magnet.

    PD: Really, SIMILAR to Skyrim? :D

  133. RossM
    Posted December 22, 2011 at 4:38 pm | Permalink

    Is anyone else worried by what Cyanide has recently produced? The GoT RTS was a total flop from what I understand, gameplay-wise anyway.

    I for one am concerned. Ya looks quite nice but if it plays poorly its not only gonna dissapoint but hurt other chances for more ASOIF games in the future.

  134. Chris
    Posted December 22, 2011 at 4:56 pm | Permalink

    I really dont care that much about graphics, the question should be: Is the game fun? Will it be fun to replay? Those are the things I care about when it comes to games. The graphics might not be amazing but they arent painful to look at so I don’t really care

  135. dizzy_34
    Posted December 22, 2011 at 5:33 pm | Permalink

    KG: dizzy_34, Ms. Pac-Man came out in 1981. I’d like to think our society has progressed in the thirty years since.

    Well I guess Mario Brothers wasn’t on half the populations radar.

  136. KG
    Posted December 22, 2011 at 8:15 pm | Permalink

    dizzy_34,

    Uh … and that statement is related to our conversation in which way?

    I can see you ARE trying though. I’ll give you a few hours to find a real life grown-up to explain my post to you and you can try again.

  137. Tommy
    Posted December 22, 2011 at 8:24 pm | Permalink

    booooo

    should have been able to create your own character
    should have been open world

  138. Bro
    Posted December 22, 2011 at 9:07 pm | Permalink

    I would completely play this! Then again I’m no expert on any computer-based stuff, so from my point of view, it looks good. On the other hand, I could be letting my love of all things GOT-related cloud my judgement :L But I can’t be the only one thinking this way…

  139. the goat
    Posted December 22, 2011 at 10:45 pm | Permalink

    I have only one question:

    Can I spend the entire game throwing people out the Moon Door?

  140. JWestfall
    Posted December 22, 2011 at 11:46 pm | Permalink

    raegenhere: Usually those “blockbuster” games by big publishers (like skyrim) come either without or with quite limited moddability.
    Oblivion wasn’t very moddable too. Sure, you can get you own models in and stuff… but for more complex and ambititious projects struggle with (technically unnecessary) limitations everywhere.
    So there are loads of minimods around that add or change a few items and mess around with some gameplay parameters, but they won’t give modders access to the interesting stuff… that they reserve for DLCs, which wouldn’t sell that good otherwise.
    I don’t know whats the situation with skyrim, but I have a strong feeling it is quite like described above…

    I have much higher hopes for a decent Mount&Blade ASOIAF mod coming out… maybe it already is, haven’t checked the forums for a while.

    Bethesda has historically released the same toolset used by the developers themselves to create content to the community for free. In fact, modding has been a major draw for these games on PC. While they haven’t yet released it, it has been announced that the toolset for Skyrim will be released sometime in January.

    Bethesda game mods are not generally limited by the tools, but by the sheer amount of work needed to create them. Modelling, texturing, voice acting, scripting, story writing, etc. are extremely time consuming, and thus the larger/better mods are almost always produced by a team. Of course, nothing can compete with a talented team working 40 hours a week for a paycheck – which is why DLC often trumps hobbyists. Also, the developers have access to expensive 3rd party asset creation software, as well as the original source code and programmers to fall back on if they need specific functionality pushed through in a patch.

    In any case, I agree that it is very unlikely we’ll ever see an ASOIAF overhaul for Skyrim, either as a mod or official DLC.

  141. Epic-itty
    Posted December 23, 2011 at 3:54 am | Permalink

    KG:
    dizzy_34,

    Ms. Pac-Man came out in 1981. I’d like to think our society has progressed in the thirty years since.

    That is surpringly naive for someone who kept Casio keyboards from the 80s.

  142. GaR
    Posted December 23, 2011 at 4:09 am | Permalink

    KG:
    Shouldn’t the game be accessible and enjoyable to everyone? Including women?

    They want us to watch the show.
    They want us to give them money for the game.

    If our fandom and our cash is good enough for them, shouldn’t we be properly represented as a game choice?

    If you don’t find a game accessible or enjoyable because of the gender of the protagonist, then you have serious issues.

  143. SJGIM
    Posted December 23, 2011 at 4:49 am | Permalink

    the goat,
    Lol. Your comment alone made reading them worth it.

    In other news: As a female gamer I can say that a game has more draw if I can play someone of my own gender, but I don’t expect preset character games to have them BECAUSE I am aware of the unlikelyhood of that due to the way the industry tends to trend. It doesn’t mean I won’t play it, it just means it has to get good to great reviews as opposed to fun/ok you should give it a try to great reviews for me to seriously consider it. Ultimately the gamemakers are trying to earn profit, if they want to decrease their likelyhood of earning any from those like me than that is their call. There are plenty of other games I can enjoy and I don’t feel there is any reason to be offended by their choice of male characters.

  144. KG
    Posted December 23, 2011 at 6:54 am | Permalink

    Epic-itty,

    Yep. I have an Atari 2600 too. But I’m not posting this on a 2600, am I? No siree! Why? Because tech and society have progressed. It’s unfortunate that some of you knuckle-draggers have been stranded in the shallow end of the evolutionary pool, but don’t take it out on the rest of us. It’s annoying when you drool everywhere.

  145. The Winter Rose
    Posted December 23, 2011 at 7:15 am | Permalink

    GaR: If you don’t find a game accessible or enjoyable because of the gender of the protagonist, then you have serious issues.

    Oh really? And you are able to make that diagnosis because you are a licensed therapist or a psychologist? No? Okay well then how about leaving her alone. She has a right to her opinion. If she doesn’t want to play the game because she feels uncomfortable by an aspect of it, that’s her right. Just as much as if someone didn’t want to buy the game because they felt it had poor graphics. There’s nothing wrong with her for having that opinion so stop trying to invalidate her.

    SJGIM:
    the goat,
    In other news: As a female gamer I can say that a game has more draw if I can play someone of my own gender, but I don’t expect preset character games to have them BECAUSE I am aware of the unlikelyhood of that due to the way the industry tends to trend. It doesn’t mean I won’t play it, it just means it has to get good to great reviews as opposed to fun/ok you should give it a try to great reviews for me to seriously consider it. Ultimately the gamemakers are trying to earn profit, if they want to decrease their likelyhood of earning any from those like me than that is their call. There are plenty of other games I can enjoy and I don’t feel there is any reason to be offended by their choice of male characters.

    This is pretty much exactly how I feel.
    I am not offended that there are no female PCs. I wished there was a female PC, that’s all. I wish that the video game industry would cater to the female population of gamers. Will that happen? Likely not because the majority is a male audience so they will cater to their wants before ours. But I can still wish and hope and dream that games will come along that are more catered to female gamers. So I’m not offended at all by this game. What I AM offended by is the amount of blatant misogyny here from my fellow fans.

  146. dizzy_34
    Posted December 23, 2011 at 9:42 am | Permalink

    KG: dizzy_34, Uh … and that statement is related to our conversation in which way?I can see you ARE trying though. I’ll give you a few hours to find a real life grown-up to explain my post to you and you can try again.

    You’re right I’ll grow up someday. However, do you ever find it ironic that you are often the first one to resort to name calling? Don’t ever change KG that’s why we love you.

  147. Epic-itty
    Posted December 23, 2011 at 12:39 pm | Permalink

    KG,

    Ah but you see nothing has changed since the 80′s poor girl. Not even your video games. That’s what the good ladies of video gaming are bitching about, isn’t it?

    It seems that way.

  148. SJGIM
    Posted December 23, 2011 at 11:30 pm | Permalink

    The Winter Rose,

    The good thing is more and more games are made to be more gender neutral. The Elder Scrolls, KOTOR, and Dragon Age I feel can be appreciated if you like that kind of game regardless of gender. And honestly while it would have been nice to have a female character I doubt the game makers were consciously considering the appeal/ lack of appeal certain gender choices might have for the presets of this game. Male protagonists in this type of setting and world are much easier to write while maintaining believability (assuming the game maintains suspention of belief and has a good story.)

    Besides which I now want a game where you can play as Varys’s little birds spying and reporting on nobles with a DLC allowing you to play an executioner at the Eryie that gets to push people out the moon door. Any good modders here for when the game comes out?

    To those discussing it: There is nothing wrong with wanting to play a game you are excited about as a character of your own gender, and there is nothing wrong with losing interest in a game b/c of it.There is also nothing wrong with thinking this is strange. I feel a simple dissagreement has gotten out of hand and devolved away from the topic at hand, and it is affecting the enjoyability of the thread. All I ask is that you keep in mind you do not know the person you are argueing with or where their point of view has evolved from. If you have valid arguements regarding a topic, by all means I love a good debate on topics I am interested in and I think most others do as well but please try not to insult those you don’t know. The reason I write this is because this occurs alot when controversial topics are brought up on this website, and I beleive it decreases the likellyhood of other readers posting because they do not want to get into such an arguement.

    I realize you are free to write whatever you want and may not like me butting into the conversation. Just be aware it affects others participation and enjoyment in these threads. This is why I post as rarely as I do and tend to try to stay as objective as possible when posting. Thank you.

  149. Hear Me Roar
    Posted December 25, 2011 at 6:13 am | Permalink

    Knurk,

    Cool! What provider did they sign with?
    In Slovenia they just offered the HD and HBO GO services, great.

  150. Knurk
    Posted December 25, 2011 at 6:53 am | Permalink

    Hear Me Roar,

    with Ziggo, but hopefully it’ll be available to other providers too. HD and HBO-Go will also be in the package!

  151. Pau Soriano
    Posted December 25, 2011 at 1:41 pm | Permalink

    Soo I’ve been trying to decide for who I could care less about, people who will definitelly play/not play this game based on the graphics of the trailer, or people who will not play this game ’cause it doesn’t allow you to play a female…

    Alas, I wonder if I’m alone in this or theres someone out there who really cares if you guys are gonna play this game or not?

    PS: Point being, let’s play the game first, and then we can come back and discuss it. This is like arguing over a book who noone has read yet…see how silly it is?

  152. Evrach
    Posted December 26, 2011 at 7:32 am | Permalink

    Hi guys,
    I’m the one who wrote the article for La Garde de Nuit/Westeros. I didn’t want to post after that, but Seing where the debate is going, think I have one or two precisions to make.

    Concerning the male/female debat :
    Not having a female plyable character is not a “commercial choice” or “sexist choice” made by Cyanide. In fact, in older scenarios, there were women playable characters. They tests different ways, different scenarios, making them (in)validated by GRRM and Ty, and then, after almost one yean and half of work, they came to an agreement on THIS specific scenario, that needs, for scenario’s reasons, to have two male characters, not beacause they are male, but because of their past, their history and situation (Brother of the Night Watch, and First Born heir of his father). If the game is a success and they make a “GOT 2″, they will probably try to include a female playbale character. You can still complain about it, but can remark that they’re no black (african-westerosian ?) character, or asian character, no child playable characters (although there are a lot of good children POV in the books).

    About the quality of the game/graphics :
    Like someone said before, Cyanide is a small studio, and the game doesn’t have the budgect of an halo, an uncharted or a Skyrim. It’s a team of 40 people (and not the same that worked on Genesis), not 400. You can’t expect a full open world in this conditions. By the way, omho, a narrative RPG fits better with ASOIAF than an open world.ASOIAF/GOT is incredible because of its characters and story ; they expect the game to be the same. In an open world like skyrim, you have open spaces, lot of quests… but almost no story, and your character is what you make of it. It’s a choice of difference.
    And I’m afraid of what an open world mmo-style game could have been… Killing dragons ? chasing tons of Others and Direwolves in the forest north of the Wall ? A so realistic universe needs a strong storyline to justify the battles, because you’re not in an universe where you can fights hundred of goblins in caves :)

    Personaly, I finished it three times, and enjoyed playing to it. Not the greatest game I’ve ever seen, not the most beautiful, not the longest ; but it’s a good game, with good graphics, a good story, a good gameplay in the universe I like the most, the one of GRRM :D what could I have expect more ?

    Thanks for have read (and sorry for my poor english).

  153. Fireandblood
    Posted December 28, 2011 at 12:35 pm | Permalink

    second trailer, here. love this blog by the way

  154. Harry The Heir
    Posted December 30, 2011 at 9:59 am | Permalink

    I personally dislike the Idea of having 2 set in stone characters, if I was making this game, I would prefer for you to make your own characters, choose a class and even join a lesser house or make your own knightly house, instead of being 2 complete random douchebags.

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