More interviews: Gethin, Nikolaj and Emilia
By Winter Is Coming on in Press.

A few more interviews with Game of Thrones cast have been published over the past couple days. First up, is this 30-minute long interview with Gethin Anthony by Shadowlocked. The full interview is quite good, but if you want to skip around to see Geth’s answers to different questions, check the Shadowlocked post for the index.

After the break, Nikolaj Coster-Waldau talks the fan response to Jaime and Emilia Clarke talks nude scenes… again.

In this short Q&A with myFanbase, Nikolaj talks about how his acting career began and his thoughts on Game of Thrones and his character Jaime. Plus he teases season two (and beyond) a bit. In this snippet, he talks about the fan reaction:

The book series “A Song of Ice and Fire” has a very passionate and dedicated fanbase. What was the most remarkable fan feedback you’ve got for your performance on “Game of Thrones”?

I was very lucky to be invited to ComiCon last year. To meet the fans and feel their passion for the show was exhilirating. The one response Re. Jaime I am most pleased about is that he isn’t seen as just another evil villain. But that has less to do with my work and everything to do with the writing of D.B. Weiss, David Benioff and obviously George R. R. Martin.

Lastly, Emilia Clarke talks with the Daily Record about the nude scenes and what they mean for her character:

“Her journey sees her going from a girl into a woman, which is also a sexual awakening.

“As soon as you put yourself there, it’s not about you, the actress, it’s about the character, so that took the fear away. Hopefully, that’s what you see on the screen and not just a naked actress.”

The full article also has a couple quotes from Mark Addy and Sean Bean about working on season one.

Winter Is Coming: This week some of the Thrones cast and crew will be in London for a press junket, so expect even more interviews in the coming days and weeks.


90 Comments

  1. Rossinny
    Posted February 27, 2012 at 9:44 am | Permalink

    Gethin talking about which of the books he has read is quite amusing.

    There’s a pretty obvious reason why he probably stopped at Book 2 but he obviously can’t say!

  2. A_S00
    Posted February 27, 2012 at 9:44 am | Permalink

    “Sean Bean, who starred in Oscarwinning Lord impressed of the Rings, is very Thrones.”

    Good to know.

  3. Katie
    Posted February 27, 2012 at 9:55 am | Permalink

    Thanks for posting these! I hadn’t really read much about Gethin before, so this was good interview to see. It’s interesting that out of the young actors, he seems to be one of the few who didn’t go straight into drama school. Am I wrong on that? I wonder if it gives him a little bit of a different perspective on this whole business?

    Nickolaj has read some (if not all) of the other books, hasn’t he? Every time I read an interview of his, I get the impression that he knows where Jamie’s story is going, and he’s just DYING to tell everyone “I’m actually a good guy, honest!” :p Lol, I have to say, I love that even in the first season, you’re seeing glimpse of the perspective you get of Jamie later on in Nicoklaj’s performance. It really is a great part, and he’s doing it so well.

    Finally, Fury posted on the WiC Tumblr a comment about being tired of having Emilia asked about the nudity in the show in every single interview. Um, YES, thank you. The season is a year old, enough with the naked questions. Hopefully next season they’ll be focusing on her actual character development (whaaaaat? SHOCKER.)

  4. G_Lee
    Posted February 27, 2012 at 10:31 am | Permalink

    A_S00:
    “Sean Bean, who starred in Oscarwinning Lord impressed of the Rings, is very Thrones.”

    Good to know.

    Haha I was wondering about that too. They totally messed up the last part. Probably done with microsoft word.

  5. Kaeth
    Posted February 27, 2012 at 10:46 am | Permalink

    The more I hear from Nickolaj the more I love him. Cant wait for his character to really shine.

  6. Conor
    Posted February 27, 2012 at 11:48 am | Permalink

    Y U NO Ask Renly about his peach? :P

  7. biliki
    Posted February 27, 2012 at 12:33 pm | Permalink

    Guys, the latest trailer is out in HD!<3

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X66PDW1Mjf8

    Important question: Does anyone remember when the 16-minute feature will be airing?
    I remember it was in the end of February, so it must be really soon!

  8. Drfunk
    Posted February 27, 2012 at 12:36 pm | Permalink

    I’m sure Gethin is a fantastic actor in his own right but I did not like his interpretation of the character. Renly and Cercei are the two characters that sticks out like a sore thumb from book to tv. In the books Renly comes off as a cockier (if that is even possible) version of Jaime. He’s the Kingslayer with a better wardrobe minus the swordsmanship. I guess that’s the part that really didn’t sit well with me. Whereas book Renly oozes confidence and is very much a manly jock (even though his orientation was hinted at), HBO chose to portray him as the stereotypical effeminate gay male that is full of insecurities. Like the scene of him cringing at a little bit of blood…

    Cercei was suppose to be the charming/flaunting her sexuality/maneater. Instead we get a weather beaten down hag like version of her (perhaps what Cercei will be like in 30 years). A permanent frown on her face and just downright “uncomfortable”. Where’s the charm? Even that scene with Lancel towards the end just seems so out of character. I don’t know if it’s Lena or Cogman but someone messed up big time there as well.

  9. Ted furthman
    Posted February 27, 2012 at 12:42 pm | Permalink

    I can’t believe they still ask her about the nude scenes. The only good that’s come out of it for me is Katie’s comment about the WiC Tumblr mentioning this same notion made me decide to check it out finally. And it is awesome.

  10. biliki
    Posted February 27, 2012 at 12:48 pm | Permalink

    Drfunk,

    I totally agree with you about Renly, but I genuinely believe that it is not Gethin’s problem. Actors are given directions by their producers/directors, and once that is done there is little they can do. I think he was brilliant, because even though his character was altered from the books, he did his best to make this role work, and imo it did. Yes, show Renly is a stereotype, with deep insecurities and little to no humor, but if that is how the producers told him to play the part, what could he do?

  11. Drfunk
    Posted February 27, 2012 at 1:06 pm | Permalink

    biliki,

    Yeah, I’m not really blaming Gethin. At the end of the day the show producers have all the answers and i guess D&D chose to go along this path. As far as adaptations go this version of the show was done extremely well (compared to all the other disaster book to tv conversions we’ve seen from different titles). So overall it is some minor gripes, I’m just really curious who made the call to portray those characters in that fashion. Did the actors have leeway to “personalize” the characters with some overall direction? Or did D&D laid out specific instructions on how those characters should be perceived as. Renly is one issue but Cercei is such a key/pivotal character in the whole series and I just can’t believe how they chose this path. You just don’t go from “uptight,angry,hate all men” to “uses men as sex toys” from a few episodes. Unless they plan to rewrite that whole storyline…

  12. Draig
    Posted February 27, 2012 at 1:11 pm | Permalink

    Really nice interview, Gethin Anthony is the perfect Renly. I was just having a look at youtube, and HBO have uploaded the official version of the recent trailer, and I noticed that the direwolf looked 100% better than I thought it was in the other trailer. I think our worries can be put to rest after watching it!

  13. Udi
    Posted February 27, 2012 at 1:42 pm | Permalink

    Drfunk,

    Absolutely agree with you. The other big let-down in my opinion is Loras, aka the Knight of Flowers.

  14. biliki
    Posted February 27, 2012 at 1:47 pm | Permalink

    Chill, guys, we have seen so little of Loras and Renly, season 2 is their season to shine, give them a chance!

    (I still believe what I said above, but lbr, they’ve had very few scenes so far, let’s not judge them from them.

  15. JamesL
    Posted February 27, 2012 at 1:58 pm | Permalink

    When is HBO going to send out screeners to critics for season 2 or have screenings of the premiere? Also will HBO be sending Winteriscoming some of the episodes to screen like they did last year?

  16. mummer
    Posted February 27, 2012 at 2:00 pm | Permalink

    Drfunk: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X66PDW1Mjf8

    Even in the books, I disagree that Renly was “very much a manly jock.” He was confident and a bit of a jerk, that’s all; there was nothing to indicate that he liked fighting, or football or whatever. He was also a dandy, whereas TV-Renly was relatively simply dressed in season 1. Obviously this version of the character is pretty different, but I don’t think it’s as simple as the TV version being a stereotype.

    If I had to guess at what they were going for with the changes: 1, it gives him somewhere to go– that is, he starts out in season 1 being sort of unassuming, and in season 2 (judging by the trailers) after committing to the idea of being king, he’s reinvented himself as a much more stylish and assertive guy. And 2, they’ve redefined Renly to provide something the War of the Five Kings doesn’t otherwise have: a candidate who really honestly wants to make things different and better, and is willing to break with tradition to do that. Book-Renly is more like a fantasy version of the existing tradition, the kind of hero Sansa would’ve dreamed up; that’s a nice idea but I’m not sure the show really needs it, especially since we already have Loras.

  17. The Kingslayer
    Posted February 27, 2012 at 2:31 pm | Permalink

    I want to be Nikolaj.

  18. The Kingslayer
    Posted February 27, 2012 at 2:36 pm | Permalink

    They better get the scene with Renly and Stannis at Storms End right, it was very amusing reading it. Renly is the only character from the books that they’ve failed to get right IMO, he’s just too much of weakling for my liking.

  19. bhd
    Posted February 27, 2012 at 2:38 pm | Permalink

    I personally prefered tv!Renly then book!Renly.

    My biggest issue with book!Renly is that, while he seemed incredibly charming, I didn’t understand why every POV characters seemed to look down on him. I don’t recall any particular reason why they considered him all glitter and no substance; it just seemed to be people’s general opinion, and I just never understood where that came from. And while the POV characters like to say he’s shiny but brittle, they also mention time and time again how he’s an exact copy of Robert when he was young and at his greatest, which confuses me even more.

    True, tv!Renly is much less flashy, much less charismatic and all, but at least, other characters’ reaction and attitude toward him makes sense.

    Anyway, I love Gethin Anthony and that interview is really great to watch.

  20. FacelessMan
    Posted February 27, 2012 at 3:02 pm | Permalink

    Cercei was suppose to be the charming/flaunting her sexuality/maneater. Instead we get a weather beaten down hag like version of her (perhaps what Cercei will be like in 30 years).

    I disagree completely. There’s nothing hag like about Lena Headey or her portrayal of Cersei. As for flaunting her sexuality, she’s a beautiful queen and dresses the part, same as show Cersei. And when the hell was Cersei ever shown as a maneater in book 1? The only differences are the few added scenes that show some more insights into her situation, and therefore possibly making her a bit more sympathetic. Otherwise, Cersei in Season 1 was pretty much a spot on portrayal of Cersei in the first book.

  21. LyingOnaBedofWeeds
    Posted February 27, 2012 at 3:16 pm | Permalink

    Oh.

  22. userj
    Posted February 27, 2012 at 3:22 pm | Permalink

    11. Have you read all or some of the books? Is there a particular scene you’re looking forward to or one you’re already dreading?

    Brienne

    NIKOLAJ YOU ARE SUCH A TEASE AHHHHHHHH!!!

    Actually… does this mean that we will have to wait for S3 for any scenes containing Jaime and Brienne?! If so my heart is broken.

  23. Rossinny
    Posted February 27, 2012 at 4:14 pm | Permalink

    FacelessMan,

    Agree totally. ‘Hag-like version’ Drfunk?! Were we watching the same show?

    I have never understood the Lena Headey bashers anyway. I think her Cersei is absolutely spot on.

  24. Joshua Taylor
    Posted February 27, 2012 at 4:16 pm | Permalink

    It’s Lena Headey Bashing: The Return.

    Personally I think you are all crazy. :-) But different strokes, different folks. Lena seemed kind of weary in season 1. Probably because she was pregnant during filming and maybe they did not want to introduce her character as a cartoon character which a direct translation from the novel would have brought. Her interpretation works fine in the novel, but on screen they wanted to give her a little more dimension, which will make her downwards spiral seem all the more meaningful.

    I am a Lena Headey fan so I have a bit of a bias here. However, every shot and byte of dialogue that I have been privy to of Cersei from season 2 seems to have point to a more impassioned performance. I also love her wardrobe thus far, especially the Red Lannister gown and how she has seemed to perpetually let her hair down. Has anyone seen the monstrous headwrap/wig she was wearing in season 1 in any of the season 2 publicity? I haven’t seen it. Could this be symbolic of her post Robert freedom, that she can be the Cersei that we all love and hate? This and the very notion of her wearing some sort of ceremonial armour during the Battle of the Blackwater to sparring with the likes of Aidan Gillen, Peter Dinklage and Conleth Hill seems like they are trying to spice up her character. Perhaps her drabness in season 1 was indicative of her unhappiness with Robert,and finally she can fulfil that old cliche/Lannister Words: “I am woman hear me roar.”

    To tread shallower water she looks strikingly beautiful-nay hot- from what I have seen thus far.

    Personally I think Lena is going to shine in this season.

    And to those saying how some character changes in season 1 will not carry over believably in season 2, does that mean they should not even try to improve because of that? I would view season 1 as an experiment wherein the process of elimination has shown to us what works and what doesn’t. Now here is the opportunity to improve upon it.

    Peace.

    Oh and as a optimist, as soon as we get to season 4/5, Lena Headey will be nominated for an Emmy. And what scene will they use for the Emmy reel? Let’s just say it is a scene that will require no dialogue whatsoever, and walking, lots and lots of walking….

  25. Idaan
    Posted February 27, 2012 at 4:37 pm | Permalink

    Drfunk,
    He will be a lot more self-assured in Season 2 probably. Since he got upgraded to a semi-main character from the book, there has to be some arc and personal development.
    That’s how it looks in the trailers at least.

  26. Winter Is Coming
    Posted February 27, 2012 at 4:44 pm | Permalink

    JamesL:
    When is HBO going to send out screeners to critics for season 2 or have screenings of the premiere? Also will HBO be sending Winteriscoming some of the episodes to screen like they did last year?

    They sent them out around 2-3 weeks ahead of the premiere last year. I’m not sure if I will be getting them or not. I kinda hope not as I like the excitement of looking forward to a new episode each Sun night. :)

    Joshua Taylor: But different strokes, different folks. Lena seemed kind of weary in season 1. Probably because she was pregnant during filming

    Not picking on you Josh, but I see this brought up a lot and I wanted to point out that it is incorrect. Lena had her baby in between the filming of the pilot and the first season. Of course, one could argue that having an infant is more tiring than being pregnant…

  27. bhd
    Posted February 27, 2012 at 4:46 pm | Permalink

    From what I’ve seen, pretty much all of the Lena/Cercei bashing eventually ends up being based on the actress’s age (39?). It’s already begun with Carice/Melissandre. From what I’ve seen so far, pretty much everybody who complain about her also do so because they find her too old to be sexy (she’s 36, I think).

    Anyway, when confronted with people convinced that women are old hags once they hit 35 and that no actress that old can play an attractive character, all arguments to the contrary are gonna fall on deaf ears.

  28. Joshua Taylor
    Posted February 27, 2012 at 4:47 pm | Permalink

    Winter Is Coming: Not picking on you Josh, but I see this brought up a lot and I wanted to point out that it is incorrect. Lena had her baby in between the filming of the pilot and the first season.

    AWKWARD!

    Cool. Good to know. Thanks. Yeah.

  29. Idaan
    Posted February 27, 2012 at 4:47 pm | Permalink

    bhd:
    I personally prefered tv!Renly then book!Renly.

    My biggest issue with book!Renly is that, while he seemed incredibly charming, I didn’t understand why every POV characters seemed to look down on him. I don’t recall any particular reason why they considered him all glitter and no substance; it just seemed to be people’s general opinion, and I just never understood where that came from. And while the POV characters like to say he’s shiny but brittle, they also mention time and time again how he’s an exact copy of Robert when he was young and at his greatest, which confuses me even more.

    I thought everyone knew guys like that in high school. He’s style over substance, constantly flaunting how awesome he is. He’s genuinely a fine person to hang out with, which is why he attracts a following, but he always pretends that he means serious business, diving in head-first into new hobbies and then abandoning out of boredom or frustration with failure.

    He’s that guy you like despite his popped collar Lacoste shirt, who’s at every party in the centre of everyone’s attention, telling stories about how he’s totally going to take a gap year and go help people in Tanzania. He genuinely means it at the moment, but then there comes a new thing that takes his interest.

    He’s a good guy, but ultimately, if you have any experience with life, politics or warfare, you’re going to bet on someone who knows what he’s doing, has maybe less enthusiasm, but more dedication and stubborness.

  30. Drfunk
    Posted February 27, 2012 at 4:55 pm | Permalink

    FacelessMan: I disagree completely. There’s nothing hag like about Lena Headey or her portrayal of Cersei. As for flaunting her sexuality, she’s a beautiful queen and dresses the part, same as show Cersei. And when the hell was Cersei ever shown as a maneater in book 1? The only differences are the few added scenes that show some more insights into her situation, and therefore possibly making her a bit more sympathetic. Otherwise, Cersei in Season 1 was pretty much a spot on portrayal of Cersei in the first book.

    Ok, let me clear something up right from the start. I’m not bashing the actress here. Whether you like a portrayal is entirely based on personal taste. What i was being specific about is the actual characterization of her character. Cercei in the books is a calculating/pragmatic women who looks out for her interest no matter the moral costs. She also understands and uses her femininity as a weapon in the books. As you clearly stated “book 1″ in your reference, let me tell you that you’re incorrect in that as well. True Cercei becomes much more reckless in her schemes to the point she’s evolving into a total slut (as in the case of the kettlebacks). Even in book 1 however, she clearly made a pass on Ned . Reminding him that his wife is far away, if he only keeps his mouth shut she’d be eternally grateful. That’s a woman that knows what she wants and is willing to use sex as a weapon. On TV, that entire scene was re-written and she never made the pass as in the books. Because even up to that point, Cercei was NOT charming. She was brooding with a permanent scowl on her face and really just looked tired of all the BS more than anything.

    Once again, this is NOT bashing on Lena. This is more at wondering why they changed her character so drastically and if they’ll keep this version of Cercei throughout all future seasons or will she somehow evolve into that maneater role. I hope you guys can understand that i wasn’t just randomly bashing something but just bringing up a genuine concern.

  31. bhd
    Posted February 27, 2012 at 5:00 pm | Permalink

    Idaan,

    I agree in real-llife. What I found puzzling in the books is that characters have a poor opinion of Renly a few seconds right after first meeting him, and from the dialogues, he seems like a perfectly charming smart guy. I don’t think it was well-explained in the books, even with the POV characters’s thoughts, so I think it would have been even weirder if they had rendered tv!Renly exactly as in the books.

    That’s mainly why I like the way they’ve done tv!Renly. They didn’t have much screen-time to establish his character as “really nice guy, but not the warrior-type and not really a sound option for the throne”.

  32. Joshua Taylor
    Posted February 27, 2012 at 5:03 pm | Permalink

    Drfunk,

    You are forgiven. You can sleep peacefully tonight now.

    Joking aside, I think it was the hag comment you made regarding Cersei’s character that forced me, Faceless man and our liege lord Ser Cameron Gorgo of House Headey to rattle our…sabres. But you were talking more about personality than aesthetics right?

    And I always found the Ned seduction scene completely out of character. I mean I get she will do anything in that moment to protect herself and her family but I don’t know. I was kind of happy they left it out.

    As I said above I think that we are slowly going to be witness to the unravelling of Cersei in the show. I have already pointed out that her matronly, “hag-like” demeanour indicates a repressed, unhappy woman. Whereas now that her prime obstacle, Robert, is gone she can be the Cersei we all know and love. I bet you will not see that wig from season 1 at all in season 2. Her hair will be let down, the neutral pink gown she wore will be replaced with dramatic reds and greens (if the trailers and publicity photos are any indication) and she will be be much more sensual and plotting, plotting, plotting…

  33. Claudiu Gherganu
    Posted February 27, 2012 at 5:05 pm | Permalink

    Drfunk,

    I think book Cersei sucks to be honest . Terrible cliche villain character especially from AFFC onwards which is disappointing considering the writing of GRRM .

  34. Joshua Taylor
    Posted February 27, 2012 at 5:13 pm | Permalink

    Claudiu Gherganu,

    Really? I thought so at the beginning of AFFC but her chapters in ADWD were the highlight of the book for me. That walk alone was more empowering than demeaning. She transformed into the main villain in all respects after that. Completely revitalized in my opinion. Cersei will be there until the bloody end…especially if she’s a Targaryen.

  35. Kharn9
    Posted February 27, 2012 at 5:21 pm | Permalink

    Rossinny:
    Gethin talking about which of the books he has read is quite amusing.

    There’s a pretty obvious reason why he probably stopped at Book 2 but he obviously can’t say!

    I’ve got to say that he handled it quite well. I don’t think anyone who hasn’t read the book is gonna notice the little smile and the hesitation before he carried on with a totally believable explaination.

  36. Drfunk
    Posted February 27, 2012 at 5:22 pm | Permalink

    Joshua Taylor,

    Yeah, the hag reference was more on how she seemed tired of it all and not on her actual physical appearance. Nosegate, purple eye gate etc.. are all things that don’t really matter as it would be impossible to get someone to match the exact description. Acting as per the source material is something they have control however and that was one of the few pet peeves i had on the first otherwise amazing season. Ever since she made that pass in the book, my image of her was exactly that of Sharon Stone in the first Basic Instinct so when she eventually evolved to sleeping with anyone it wasn’t as shocking. For those who haven’t read the books, they may have seen Lena’s portrayal as the accurate version of Cercei. So when we finally see her using Loras as a toy “that” seemed out of character more than anything.

  37. Lars
    Posted February 27, 2012 at 5:42 pm | Permalink

    FacelessMan: I disagree completely. There’s nothing hag like about Lena Headey or her portrayal of Cersei. As for flaunting her sexuality, she’s a beautiful queen and dresses the part, same as show Cersei. And when the hell was Cersei ever shown as a maneater in book 1? The only differences are the few added scenes that show some more insights into her situation, and therefore possibly making her a bit more sympathetic. Otherwise, Cersei in Season 1 was pretty much a spot on portrayal of Cersei in the first book.

    Agreed 100%.

    It really is quite surprising how so many (young men?) seem to read into Cersei in the books. Yes, she is beatiful. Regal. But is *NOT* some hot model/barbie/porn-star lookalike, as some seem to expect, nor does she attempt to seduce every man she encounters with her ‘wily’ female charm. She does NOT use her sexuality overtly – beyond perhaps the half-baked attempt to get Ned on her side.

    The show version of her is faaar closer the book than many fan’s view of Cersei. There’s also a lot of fan-art that is to blame. Prime offenders:
    - http://komarckart.com/ccg_agot05.html
    - http://ninata-sama.deviantart.com/art/Cersei-Lannister-Bookmark-204384546

  38. Robbet
    Posted February 27, 2012 at 5:54 pm | Permalink

    These interviews are so interesting! To get to know the actors, more and more.
    Really liked to know more about Gethin Anthony, loved the answer “Brienne” of Nikolaj and Emilia has some interesting theories about Daenerys’ growing up, etc etc (very explored, but is good to know that the actors are actually interested, curious and like their characters).

    These interviews were pretty good stuff. Thanks for the interviewers and for WiC!! :)

  39. Robbet
    Posted February 27, 2012 at 6:02 pm | Permalink

    Lars: Agreed 100%.

    It really is quite surprising how so many (young men?) seem to read into Cersei in the books. Yes, she is beatiful. Regal. But is *NOT* some hot model/barbie/porn-star lookalike, as some seem to expect, nor does she attempt to seduce every man she encounters with her ‘wily’ female charm. She does NOT use her sexuality overtly – beyond perhaps the half-baked attempt to get Ned on her side.

    The show version of her is faaar closer the book than many fan’s view of Cersei. There’s also a lot of fan-art that is to blame. Prime offenders:
    - http://komarckart.com/ccg_agot05.html
    - http://ninata-sama.deviantart.com/art/Cersei-Lannister-Bookmark-204384546

    I also agree with you, she is beautiful, but she uses it for her advantage, not to have sex with every man. She loves her brother, she mainly wants to have sex with him.

    And, btw that last site you posted, the picture in it, it’s a cover from an edition of a book of aSoIaF in another language (if I am not mistaken).

    EDIT: I went checking on GRRM’s website and it is a cover for “A Storm of Swords” in Portuguese (there are 2 books, don’t know why).

  40. Lars
    Posted February 27, 2012 at 6:19 pm | Permalink

    Robbet: And, btw that last site you posted, the picture in it, it’s a cover from an edition of a book ofaSoIaF in another language (if I am not mistaken).

    EDIT: I went checking on GRRM’s website and it is a cover for “A Storm of Swords” in Portuguese (there are 2 books, don’t know why).

    Yes, I realized that after I posted. “Official” art can be just as misleading. (isn’t cover art usually) :-) But I feel like this kind of artwork has turned many fans into anticipating “sexpot-Cersei”.

  41. JamesL
    Posted February 27, 2012 at 7:02 pm | Permalink

    Is HBO not going to air that 16min behind the scenes video March 2nd anymore because its not on the schedule? I hope they haven’t changed their mind and decided not to air that. It would be extremely cruel for them to tease us like that. Maybe they will just release it on demand.

  42. Tywin's Bastard
    Posted February 27, 2012 at 7:05 pm | Permalink

    Lars,

    Some fans are certainly overstating it but I think you are understating it when you stick to just beautiful and regal. There’s descriptions of her curves, her lips etc that are pretty sensual.

    I think the pictures you posted fit very well to when she’s in seductive mode. I have no problems with how she’s portrayed in the show though.

  43. Lars
    Posted February 27, 2012 at 7:37 pm | Permalink

    Tywin’s Bastard:
    Lars,

    Some fans are certainly overstating it but I think you are understating it when you stick to just beautiful and regal. There’s descriptions of her curves, her lips etc that are pretty sensual.

    I think the pictures you posted fit very well to when she’s in seductive mode. I have no problems with how she’s portrayed in the show though.

    Perhaps I am understating it a bit. But one has to remember that she *rarely* is in seductive mode. Most of the time she is in ‘cold’ mode. From later books it is pretty clear that she thinks of herself as a man trapped in a womans body. She uses sex on rare occasion for practical purposes, but other than with Jamie, she does not appear to enjoy it.

  44. Tywin's Bastard
    Posted February 27, 2012 at 7:47 pm | Permalink

    Lars,

    I don’t disagree with that. It’s very clear that she uses sex and her looks as a tool, rather than something to derive pleasure from. Still, she has all the parts to use that successfully, even though age has slightly started to take it’s toll.

    But in any case it’s not the center of what I find the most interesting of her character development so I’m happy with what we got in season 1 and look forward to their take on her in the next.

  45. Drfunk
    Posted February 27, 2012 at 8:11 pm | Permalink

    Lars,

    You know, I don’t see how you can state unequivocally that your version of it is 100% accurate. No one claimed Cercei is a promiscuous airhead that will put out for anyone. She is however very aware of how her beauty affects those around her and will use it as a tool when needed. In fact she will use her sexuality to get what she wants from any men as needed. She prob feels contempt on men who fall for it, no one said she’s enjoying playing the role of a harlot. It also wasn’t just a half baked attempt on Ned.

    1. Ned pass that strongly hints physical reward.
    2. Same offer to Tyrion (that resulted in the same slap)
    3. Lancel
    4. Kettlebacks
    5. Merryweather

    That’s not someone that randomly will make a crass pass only as a last resort. That’s someone who will make crude passes to those she feels beneath her. Anyways I’m done debating about this, and even I’ll agree that my own interpretation may not be 100% accurate. Still the evidence is all there from the source material, if it walks like a duck, quacks like a duck…

  46. Pink Dragon
    Posted February 27, 2012 at 8:14 pm | Permalink

    I can’t be the only one who’s going to sincerely miss Renly when he croaks, right? The show’s brought so much life to so many secondary characters like him.

    Something struck me in this thread, though:

    Lars From later books it is pretty clear that she thinks of herself as a man trapped in a womans body. She uses sex on rare occasion for practical purposes, but other than with Jamie, she does not appear to enjoy it.

    That is a highly interesting psychological view that I think I agree with. Wondering now if Cersei’s some kind of angry proto-Brienne, and that’s why Jaime seems to be a little attracted to her (Brienne, that is). Then again, Brienne never wanted to be a man; she seems perfectly happy being a woman in armor. If that’s the case, could Cersei be labelled with gender identity disorder here in this world? What would Cersei do if given the chance to be a man, somehow?

    It’s just making my queer vibes act up. I could be taking that too far, though, even if it is, in my opinion, a cool theory.

  47. FacelessMan
    Posted February 27, 2012 at 8:14 pm | Permalink

    As you clearly stated “book 1″ in your reference, let me tell you that you’re incorrect in that as well. True Cercei becomes much more reckless in her schemes to the point she’s evolving into a total slut (as in the case of the kettlebacks). Even in book 1 however, she clearly made a pass on Ned . Reminding him that his wife is far away, if he only keeps his mouth shut she’d be eternally grateful. That’s a woman that knows what she wants and is willing to use sex as a weapon. On TV, that entire scene was re-written and she never made the pass as in the books. Because even up to that point, Cercei was NOT charming.

    I see what you’re saying, but I think that’s more to do with the streamlining of certain scenes than changing her character. A lot of good dialogue that was straight from the books was cut and pasted into the show with the excess fat trimmed. I miss that stuff too, but it’s understandable. They did still keep her manipulation of Lancel, which we’ll see play out this season.

    Now if they get to season 3/4 and Cersei isn’t seducing the Kettleblacks and others for her own personal gain then they’ve made some pretty big changes.

  48. Pink Dragon
    Posted February 27, 2012 at 8:19 pm | Permalink

    More on the topic of Cersei: I like her portrayal in the show. It’s trying to show her as a somewhat spoiled woman beaten down one too many times that eventually snapped, which was probably George’s original intention before he went that weird She Was Always Crazy Thank You Prophecy route.

    As for the sex thing, it’s pretty clear it’s usually a tool like you and I would use a knife. I don’t think she likes it; she just can’t pick up a sword because yeah, yeah, dude actually is a lady.

  49. Coltaine777
    Posted February 27, 2012 at 8:34 pm | Permalink

    I for one am greatly enjoying Ms.Headey portrayal of Cersei and the added scene of her and King Robert having a truly honest conversation in season 1 was one of my fav scenes …

  50. Pink Dragon
    Posted February 27, 2012 at 8:45 pm | Permalink

    Coltaine777:
    I for one am greatly enjoying Ms.Headey portrayal of Cersei and the added scene of her and King Robert having a truly honest conversation in season 1 was one of my fav scenes …

    Same! It made me go “Wha — ? I have to consider Cersei a human being now? Shit.”

    EDIT: Whoops, this sounded trollish. Not my intention. I just didn’t like Cersei even a smidgeon prior to that.

  51. Winter Is Coming
    Posted February 27, 2012 at 9:06 pm | Permalink

    JamesL:
    Is HBO not going to air that 16min behind the scenes video March 2nd anymore because its not on the schedule?I hope they haven’t changed their mind and decided not to air that. It would be extremely cruel for them to tease us like that. Maybe they will just release it on demand.

    I checked with HBO about this and, unfortunately, it looks like they are NOT going to be releasing this video now. Not sure what happened. Maybe they want to hold it back for the season 2 DVD/Blu-ray?

  52. Max
    Posted February 27, 2012 at 9:15 pm | Permalink

    Winter Is Coming,

    Seeing Tweets today of a screening in London of at least one episode for cast & such earlier today.

  53. Hawk
    Posted February 27, 2012 at 9:22 pm | Permalink

    mummer,

    He competed in the tourneys and did pretty decent, if I recall correctly…

  54. mummer
    Posted February 27, 2012 at 9:53 pm | Permalink

    Hawk,
    Sure, but he was jousting, which (despite the occasional Gregor-related fatality) is about the most genteel form of sports you can do in Westeros; I don’t see any evidence that other characters thought this made him a “manly jock”. (He doesn’t joust on the TV show, but neither does Jaime; the show has de-emphasized tournaments and pageantry in general.) Renly is consistently described as being a fashion plate, fond of luxury, witty but flaky and unserious. His success at winning lords to his cause had nothing to do with them thinking he was a tough guy– it was all about personal charisma, fun times, and Tyrell prestige.

  55. Drfunk
    Posted February 27, 2012 at 10:08 pm | Permalink

    mummer,

    Lol you think Jousting is not violent? This isn’t medieval times jousting, old fashioned medieval joust was a far rougher sport that could lead to disastrous injuries (and even death as shown on the show). So no i don’t believe an insecure guy who is afraid of blood could be taken up on it. The jock reference really isn’t about how “manly” he is but rather the confidence he exudes on to others.

  56. Sue the Pirate
    Posted February 27, 2012 at 11:44 pm | Permalink

    WTH why was my comment deleted?!?! I’ve been coming to this site for more than a year now and I’ve never suffered such disrespect before.. I was only expressing my opinion about the actor, I did not make fun of him! all I said was that I liked the way he handled some of the questions!

  57. Arrogant Bastard
    Posted February 27, 2012 at 11:53 pm | Permalink

    Winter Is Coming,

    Ah, that’s pretty lame, I was looking forward to some actual show footage, which these behind the scenes features always include.

    mummer,

    I agree that they changed his character to have more of an arc and give him somewhere to go, but it didn’t really work for me 100%. Part of the problem is that Renly is supposed to loved by all the masses for his charisma or confidnence or whatever, and in the show this is only mentioned in passing by Loras commenting that “everyone loves you” or something like that. But show Renly just exudes such little confidence or charisma that I found it hard to believe that anyone really cared for him. Granted, it’s hard to show the masses or lords or whoever caring for Renly in only ten episodes with him only playing a minor role in season one, but still, his portrayal didn’t really work for me all the way, though I admit this is mostly nitpicking since Renly is not even close to being a character I like, even in the books. I’m hoping they make him more confident in season 2, but just in that clip from the recent trailer of him saying “nobody wants you for a king brother” he still sounds a little too serious. Still, it will probably work out pretty well even with some shifts in tone.

  58. Joshua Taylor
    Posted February 28, 2012 at 12:07 am | Permalink

    Ummm kind of OT but I thought there was only 1 Sue the Pirate? Wait are there two Sues? Is this like Fringe and Sue the Pirate is from the blue universe and Ours is the Fury is from the Red Universe?

    Speaking of Fringe and also Mad Men, Jared Harris would be awesome in this series. Any suggestion as to what character he could play?

    Aerys in a flashback? Qyburn? Vargo Hoat?

  59. KG
    Posted February 28, 2012 at 1:01 am | Permalink

    Sue the Pirate,

    Being a longtime poster doesn’t confer any special privileges, nor should it. Elitism is bad; especially in an open forum.

  60. JamesL
    Posted February 28, 2012 at 1:04 am | Permalink

    Winter Is Coming,

    Aww hopefully they will just edit it down to like a 5min behind the scenes video and release it on demand and then release the longer version on the blu ray. Thats really lame they would just change their mind like that though, I was really looking forward to 16 mins of behind the scenes and footage from season 2. Hopefully they will change their mind again and release it before season 2.

  61. Meg
    Posted February 28, 2012 at 2:18 am | Permalink

    Since its a slow news day, I’m going to use a bit of arm chair psychology on Cersei. She is suffering from internalized misogyny. Tywin has compelled her to hate weakness her entire life, and she inflicts this hatred onto Tyrion, disabled Jaime, and hence, herself for showing any typically “feminine/meek” tendencies. She confuses strength with masculinity and beauty with power.

    As far as Lena’s performances goes, I think she is reforming Martin’s botched de-characterization of Cersei that took place successively after each novel. I’m not even going to get into it here, but Martin’s attempt at writing female sexuality, specifically Cersei’s, is just bad. I’m like “thanks for the effort, but no.” That’s why its interesting to read other people’s interpretations of her, because you can always find some misguided notions about how women “use” sex or whatever. You’ll also find some interesting ideas about aging women in there, which are just as cringe-worthy. Thank god Lena is playing her as world-weary, because if I were a woman who wanted to play the Game, I’d definitely be exhausted trying to prove that I’m just as tough/smart/cunning as a man ;)

    In AFFC, I thought it was sad that Cersei just wanted a girlfriend, especially since the record of strong female friendships in this story is PITIFUL.

    In ADWD, I think we were supposed to cheer when Cersei vowed to claim her revenge against the Septon. So her strongest moment, IMO, was when she directed her anger toward an actual threat to women in general (though she didn’t frame it that way): destroying the Faith. People like to bring up the fact that she stupidly empowered them, but her arc is not finished and I’m waiting to see her correct that error. It would be even better if she challenged the idea that women’s self-worth is defined by how sexually “pure” they are, but that idea is probably too modern for the times.

  62. Twinkletoes
    Posted February 28, 2012 at 2:26 am | Permalink

    Sue the Pirate:
    WTH why was my comment deleted?!?! I’ve been coming to this site for more than a year now and I’ve never suffered such disrespect before.. I was only expressing my opinion about the actor, I did not make fun of him! all I said was that I liked the way he handled some of the questions!

    I didn’t see your deleted post, Sue, so I can only speculate. But since they didn’t delete the post calling Lena Headey a weather beaten hag who looks 30 years too old to play Cersei, I can only assume that you must have said something unbelievably offensive about Gethin Anthony. Right? Right? Please tell me I am right.

    Also, to the person who called Cersei a slut: a) lose the offensive gender-based insults and b) go read the damn books, because you clearly haven’t.

  63. Meg
    Posted February 28, 2012 at 3:03 am | Permalink

    This is more at wondering why they changed her character so drastically and if they’ll keep this version of Cercei throughout all future seasons or will she somehow evolve into that maneater role

    Perhaps because no woman IRL is a “maneater,” maybe you’re thinking of highly unlikely characters like Samantha from Sex in the City? Also, why do you think that this quality (if it even exists in the text, which some challenge here) is so important to her character? ShowCersei still manipulates people, she’s just not reveling in it like an idiot. As a woman in Westeros, getting people to do what you want is hard work, and she treats her “exchange” with Lancel like a duty instead of something she enjoys. In future seasons I’m sure we’ll see her obliviousness to her plotting, and also her irritation in having to deal with “weak minded” people. Her paranoia with the Tyrells can be written in any number of ways that doesn’t involve her “seducing” anyone, let alone enjoying it. (Jon Snow needed some of her paranoia at the Wall, btw).

  64. No-One
    Posted February 28, 2012 at 4:32 am | Permalink

    Meg,

    I’ve a question (Contains aCoKs Spoiler). Do you think that Cersei sleep with Lancel as a payment for make Robert so drunk that he missed the boar? Tyrion believe that Lancel is a ‘Jamie-compensation’ while the ‘Original’ is imprisoned for Cerseis bed. From Lancels confession it’s sounds like he cum frequent on Cerseis belly so I don’t think it is only a payment for serve Robert a wine skin.

  65. Jonho
    Posted February 28, 2012 at 4:54 am | Permalink

    A woman who has sex with lots of different people is not a slut. A man who has sex with lots of different people is not a slut.

    So if you call Cersei a slut, please call Robert and Tyrion (just about every man in Westeros) the same.

  66. Pepi
    Posted February 28, 2012 at 5:04 am | Permalink

    Jonho,

    Well … not the same. Here’s an analogy. If a key opens a lot of different locks, it’s called a master key. If a lock is opened by a lot of different keys, it’s called a shitty lock. xD

  67. fevredream
    Posted February 28, 2012 at 5:30 am | Permalink

    To Pepi,
    I’m sure that was intended for humor’s sake, but wow, what a horrifically misogynistic and insulting joke.

  68. kindley man
    Posted February 28, 2012 at 5:37 am | Permalink

    Sue the Pirate: WTH why was my comment deleted?!?! I’ve been coming to this site for more than a year now and I’ve never suffered such disrespect before.. I was only expressing my opinion about the actor, I did not make fun of him! all I said was that I liked the way he handled some of the questions!

    Not cool to remove posts. If this is an open blog we (us fans) should be able to expres our feelings. If its hurtfull to cast members (because we all now that they read WICnet) its good to delete some words. But censor on a open blog is bad, that’s what anonymous is fighting for. Had to get that of my chest.

    Pepi: If a key opens a lot of different locks, it’s called a master key. If a lock is opened by a lot of different keys, it’s called a shitty lock. xD

    LMFAO

    On topic Cersei, IMO she was great in the show. Everytime she enters the screens you want to strangle her. That was the same feeling while reading the book. In the book sometimes you feel sorry for her. We also saw that on the show (Ned/Cersei and Robert/Cersei). So she nailed the character from the book.

    The role of Renly (and Loras) was to much. I think just like the book they should only have hinted at the bi-curious angle. It contradicts the character of Loras in a later stage of the books. When he goes to win a castle back. But D&D had other plans with the role of Renly/Loras. And in D&D we trust!!! I’m sure they will make it better with the hand of GRRM.

  69. Stannis
    Posted February 28, 2012 at 7:11 am | Permalink

    Winter,

    Thought you might be interested that episode 2 of season 2 is officially titled ‘The Night Lands’ :) I reckon it’s a pretty cool sounding title!!

  70. Winter Is Coming
    Posted February 28, 2012 at 8:31 am | Permalink

    Not Actually Sue the Pirate:
    WTH why was my comment deleted?!?! I’ve been coming to this site for more than a year now and I’ve never suffered such disrespect before.. I was only expressing my opinion about the actor, I did not make fun of him! all I said was that I liked the way he handled some of the questions!

    Maybe it’s because you are stealing the name of a prominent poster who is now one of the site’s contributors? Comment using the name you originally posted under (HERP-DERP) and your comments won’t be deleted.

  71. Hear Me Roar
    Posted February 28, 2012 at 8:37 am | Permalink

    kindley man,

    See the explanation just above. No censorship here, all opinions welcome, as long as you behave.

  72. userj
    Posted February 28, 2012 at 8:37 am | Permalink

    Hawk:
    mummer,
    He competed in the tourneys and did pretty decent, if I recall correctly…

    Actually not really, he got hit by the hound in the first round and flew off backwards. He got up chuckling, and everyone cheered. He clearly wasn’t a particularly good jouster, yet he got a lot of love from the crowd because of his attitude about it – form over substance again.

  73. userj
    Posted February 28, 2012 at 8:39 am | Permalink

    KG,

    KG, that’s not the real sue… it’s a troll. She’s ours is the fury now, remember?

  74. Jenish Kachhadia
    Posted February 28, 2012 at 8:39 am | Permalink

    they must not by pass the reed story line…..if bran has anything interesting and exciting around him then they r reeds…

    here is their dialogues when they came winterfell first time: “To Winterfell we pledge the faith of Greywater,” they said together. “Hearth and heart and
    harvest we yield up to you, my lord. Our swords and spears and arrows are yours to command.
    Grant mercy to our weak, help to our helpless, and justice to all, and we shall never fail you.”
    “I swear it by earth and water,” said the boy in green.
    “I swear it by bronze and iron,” his sister said.
    “We swear it by ice and fire,” they finished together”

    i love reeds.

  75. Winter Is Coming
    Posted February 28, 2012 at 8:44 am | Permalink

    Pepi:
    Jonho,

    Well … not the same. Here’s an analogy. If a key opens a lot of different locks, it’s called a master key. If a lock is opened by a lot of different keys, it’s called a shitty lock. xD

    Not cool man. This isn’t the first time you’ve made misogynist remarks. This is a warning. Future comments like this will not be tolerated.

  76. Meg
    Posted February 28, 2012 at 9:28 am | Permalink

    No-One – I was talking about how they changed the relationship between Cersei/Lancel in the show, not the book version of the relationship or Tyrion’s impression of it.

  77. No-One
    Posted February 28, 2012 at 10:25 am | Permalink

    Meg,
    Ahh… I missed that, now I understand your comment. Thank you for explain.

    I must confess, when I (book reader) watch that short scene I was only happy that they picked that story line! If my memories are right, Cersei read some report or something, Lancel ask what it was but see decided that it is not necessary to explain him (Hint: He is only good for her dirty work and bed). I can’t remember what she was reading.
    Maybe this message/report explains her ‘dutiful appearance’? Was it the report that Jamie captured? But then I’m wonder if it wasn’t too soon? That the book Cersei only invites Lancel finally to her chambers after she knows see wouldn’t see Jamie a long time.

    It would be very interesting to read a reaction from an only-TV-viewer.

    My English isn’t well enough to explain my view of such a complex character than Cersei Baratheon. But I must disagree with most comments. Cersei is not a slut or a ‘sex bomb’ she is the proud daughter of Tywin Lannister and a Queen. See is sexy but most of this came from her power and her dress (expansive in compare with other women’s dress), not that see is a ‘teenager boy wet dream girl’. She use her effect on other people as a weapon, yes, but it is very rare that she does more than a nice smile or a suggestive comment. She is careful, because she must defend her reputation. (See the book Ned offer). So I think the root of the desire for Cersei is in here position not her appearance (but see is also a wonderful golden Lannister lion). And I think Lena hits this part very well.
    But if she decides to sleep with someone (like Kettleblack) she does it because it is her payment, her duty, her weapon nothing to do with lust. See do it for her aims, power, protection or life. I think Lancel is an exception, because he was the ‘Jamie-compensation’.

  78. Mickey2093
    Posted February 28, 2012 at 11:06 am | Permalink

    I think Lena has done a fairly decent job as cersei – but i definitely had issues with the writing for her character. For some reason, they’ve decided that cersei should be portrayed in a more sympathetic light. the whole business talking with catelyn at brans bedside, about having had a previous child, getting some form of sympathy from catelyn – ridiculous… and in the books a fairly big point was made out of the fact that she never had a child with black hair – none by robert at all – because they said that if she had, it would have dispelled (at least to a certain degree) all of the crap about incest and the kids being bastards by jamie…
    I just found the attempt to make her more sympathetic was ill-placed and ill-conceived. I preferred the indifferent yet calculating cersei in the books – i think given the chance, lena could have nailed that character even better than the one they wrote…

  79. Superdeluxe
    Posted February 28, 2012 at 11:08 am | Permalink

    HBO GO coming for April 1st premiere of Game of THrones to XBOX 360:

    http://gizmodo.com/5888933/hbo-go-puts-game-of-thrones-in-your-xbox-april-1st

  80. orange
    Posted February 28, 2012 at 11:22 am | Permalink

    It would be unfair not see a nude scene of Lena Headey. See always the same naked is abusive

  81. kindly man
    Posted February 28, 2012 at 11:50 am | Permalink

    Winter Is Coming,

    Hear Me Roar,

    You are both right. Its not cool to use someones name. As long as freedom of speech is respected i say: long live wicnet.

    Always support the bothem

  82. Jac Bergenson
    Posted February 28, 2012 at 1:16 pm | Permalink

    I think a lot of people complaining that Lena Headey isn’t sexy enough need to read the walk scene again. She’s not supposed to be flawless. IIRC, the walk scene brings up the topic of her aging and sagging body. She plays the part exactly how it should be: a beautiful woman who isn’t quite as beautiful as she used to be.

  83. stile
    Posted February 28, 2012 at 1:31 pm | Permalink

    Okay, I can quote or reference every comment directly, but to anyone who doesn’t like the way Renly was characterized in the first season:

    True, Renly of the show is NOT Renly of the books. But that’s a GOOD thing. Renly in the book, in my opinion, has a very unsatisfying story arc, with no characterization to speak of. He hangs out in the background of Small Council meetings, then suddenly out of the blue he runs off to Highgarden and declares himself king. The Renly we got in the show is a very different person…but it’s more effective from a dramatic standpoint. We get to see him DEVELOP into the cocky young wannabe king that we know so well…and although I have my problems with that one scene in episode five, the idea of using Loras as Renly’s version of Lady Macbeth is BRILLIANT. Now, instead of having two background characters with no development or personality to speak of, we have two people with an actual story to tell.

    You may not like that story, but a 100% faithful adaptation of the Renly storyline from the book would have been awful. I don’t agree with all the changes they’ve made, but most of the time they only alter things that NEED to be altered…and this was DEFINITELY one of them.

  84. Handmaiden of Dany
    Posted February 28, 2012 at 2:29 pm | Permalink

    I think people have some serious issues with their eyesight if they think there is ANYTHING wrong with the way Lena Headey looks….Please get some glasses and stay off the roads until you do!

  85. loco73
    Posted February 28, 2012 at 3:22 pm | Permalink

    ATTENTION, ATTENTION, ATTENTION, “Game Of Thrones” Fans (especially Canadian ones), apparently HBO Canada, celebrating the release of “Season Two”, will be bringing to Canada, “Game Of Thrones: The Exhibition”, to run from March 9 to March 18, 2012. I don’t know if it will be available in several Canadian cities or just Toronto. Included are replicas of the Iron Throne (upon which visitors can sit their royal arses and have a picture taken), Melissandre’s dress (at least one of them), plus other props from Season One and Season Two, as well as pictures etc. Admission is free, so the free tickets can be reserved over the phone or in person. Below I included several links to the exhibit…enjoy! The even will be held at the Tiff (Toronto International Film Festival) Bell Lightbox, which is the current headquarters of the film festival. George RR Martin will be there on March 12 for a Q&A and a book signing…

    http://tiff.net/filmsandschedules/tiffbelllightbox/2012/4600001261

    http://tiff.net/gameofthrones

    http://arts.nationalpost.com/2012/02/22/winter-is-coming-toronto-to-host-game-of-thrones-exhibit/

    For more info just google the damn thing….oh and by the way the two George RR Martin attended events/workshop are already sold out…

  86. Idaan
    Posted February 28, 2012 at 6:04 pm | Permalink

    Pepi:
    Jonho,

    Well … not the same. Here’s an analogy. If a key opens a lot of different locks, it’s called a master key. If a lock is opened by a lot of different keys, it’s called a shitty lock. xD

    That’s a shitty analogy. Here’s an equally shitty one that compares random objects: if a computer can run a lot of applications, it’s a good computer. If an application can run on a lot of computers, it’s a good application as well.

  87. Meg
    Posted February 28, 2012 at 7:22 pm | Permalink

    I guess that’s the part that really didn’t sit well with me. Whereas book Renly oozes confidence and is very much a manly jock (even though his orientation was hinted at), HBO chose to portray him as the stereotypical effeminate gay male that is full of insecurities. Like the scene of him cringing at a little bit of blood…

    No way man. I agree with Stile. This show needs another jock like it needs a hole in the head. ASOIAF is full of enough stereotypical musclar types who love fucking, killing, and ordering people around. Renly isn’t “full of insecurities,” he just doesn’t enjoy killing things like Robert. I’m so glad they changed Renly’s character to one who sees the hyper-masculine world around him as idiotic. Because…it kind of is.

    Renly: “My brother thinks that anyone who hasn’t been to war isn’t a man. He treats me if I’m a spoiled child…All I ever hear from Robert and Stannis is how I’m not tough enough. How i squirm at the sight of blood…his eye was dangling out of his damn socket…I could (practice) all day every day, I’ll still never be as good…”

    The idea that a “man = good at war” is STUPID; thank god someone in this universe points that out.

    Renly: “Every time Robert talks about killing (Dany) the table rises six inches.”

    Killing young pregnant women and enjoying it is also DUMB.

    Renly: “Robert’s threatening to take me hunting with him. Last time we were out there for two weeks…all so he can stick his spear into something’s flesh.”

    When put this way, hunting sounds pretty dumb as well. Also I’m so glad Renly was disgusted by Robert’s “making the 8″!

    Loras: “You’re willing to do what needs to be done. But you don’t gloat over it. You don’t love killing.”

    Thank god someone in this universe has some sense.

  88. KG
    Posted February 28, 2012 at 8:56 pm | Permalink

    userj,

    Ohhh yeah (bonk) Sorry just finished a horrifying week of Finals. I’m punch-drunk.

  89. Ed
    Posted February 28, 2012 at 10:52 pm | Permalink

    Aw KG, you were punch-drunk long before finals time… :-)

    KG:
    userj,

    Ohhh yeah (bonk)Sorry just finished a horrifying week of Finals. I’m punch-drunk.

  90. stile
    Posted February 29, 2012 at 2:09 pm | Permalink

    Renly isn’t “full of insecurities,” he just doesn’t enjoy killing things like Robert.

    He IS pretty insecure, though, at least at first, in the show…which is why I think it’s going to be more interesting to see him come into his own.

    Just like when Eddard had to step up and become Lord Stark when he lost his father and older brother, Renly is no longer going to be able to just hang around being the younger brother of the king. He may not ever have had the guts to declare himself king without Loras’s support, but now that he has done it, how is he going to handle it?

    I just feel like we never got to know Renly in the books all that well…he just showed up out of the blue. When I started reading the second book and everyone was talking about him gathering armies, I had no clue who he was, and I had to check the appendix to find out. Even the scenes in that book that featured him didn’t really give me much of a sense of his character…he just always fell flat.

    I’m not trying to insult George RR Martin…in a series of this scope, it’s impossible to give everything the kind of detail that it deserves. I’m just glad he’s fleshed out a bit more in this adaptation.


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