HBO Asia releases 6 new photos
By Winter Is Coming on in Media.

HBO Asia’s Game of Thrones Facebook page has uploaded six new photos to their season two gallery. Well, technically, two of them are not new, as they are a part of EW’s gallery. However, the other four are all-new and give us glimpses of Shae, Gendry, Varys, and Sam in season two.

Gendry Waters

Shae

Varys

Samwell Tarly

Arya Stark

Myrcella Baratheon

And a bonus new image of Sansa Stark, from the HBO.com homepage.

Sansa Stark


110 Comments

  1. Neil
    Posted March 16, 2012 at 8:44 am | Permalink

    First?!!!
    Love the pics!

  2. LL
    Posted March 16, 2012 at 8:46 am | Permalink

    Love Gendry, he seems great *o*

  3. Ave
    Posted March 16, 2012 at 8:47 am | Permalink

    Gendry is looking good!

  4. Ted furthman
    Posted March 16, 2012 at 8:55 am | Permalink

    Gendry looks how I pictured a young Baratheon to look. Sweet.

  5. King Joffrey
    Posted March 16, 2012 at 8:56 am | Permalink

    Loving Myrcella. Wow.

    Gendry looks nice too, baseborn abomination that he is.

  6. rarara
    Posted March 16, 2012 at 9:01 am | Permalink

    Myrcella looks great. She looks more like how I imagined Margaery than that 30 year old. Season 4/5 will be a shame :(.

  7. Alex
    Posted March 16, 2012 at 9:02 am | Permalink

    No, Gendry doesn’t look good. i don’t buy him as someone who has worked as a blacksmith for years. It was much argued in nineteenth century evolutionary science whether blacksmith’s sons are born with big shoulders because they inherit them from their fathers, i.e. can acquired physical traits be inherited? That actor was never a blacksmith. He needs to look beefier.

  8. Jonho
    Posted March 16, 2012 at 9:04 am | Permalink

    Gendry is hot!

  9. Hislocal
    Posted March 16, 2012 at 9:20 am | Permalink

    Alex,

    They showed Gendry sleeveless in Season 1, he’s pretty jacked. Also, he’s not a blacksmith’s son – he’s Robert’s son.

  10. Mirax
    Posted March 16, 2012 at 9:21 am | Permalink

    Alex,

    The cast should also all have fake bad teeth and the naked women should be wearing merkins for sure! *all in good fun*

    I think the pictures look great! Myrcella looks so much like Cersie in that picture, with the way her hair is styled and that necklace. Love it!

  11. Not Today
    Posted March 16, 2012 at 9:24 am | Permalink

    Myrcella looks kinda like I always imagined Dany would look like.

  12. HERP-DERP
    Posted March 16, 2012 at 9:29 am | Permalink

    First I learn that they recast Gregor Cleagane to someone who does not even remotely resemble him, and now I beleive they recast Gendry [he looks really different!] and Loras [his hair!].. and from the trailers, both Renly and Daenerys have lines that seem really forced and poorly executed.. I now have VERY poor expectations for season 2..

  13. Mormegil
    Posted March 16, 2012 at 9:30 am | Permalink

    HERP-DERP: First I learn that they recast Gregor Cleagane to someone who does not even remotely resemble him, and now I beleive they recast Gendry [he looks really different!] and Loras [his hair!].. and from the trailers, both Renly and Daenerys have lines that seem really forced and poorly executed.. I now have VERY poor expectations for season 2..

    Gendry and Loras have not been recast.

  14. Sarah
    Posted March 16, 2012 at 9:33 am | Permalink

    Gendry looks like a younger Ewan McGregor, it’s crazy how much he looks like him in this picture. The pictures look great!

  15. Lina
    Posted March 16, 2012 at 9:34 am | Permalink

    Gendry looks great! Like a young Baratheon! And this may sound crazy, because it usually works the other way around, but I think Joe Dempsie actually looks younger now that he’s all messied up and unkempt. Maybe not as young as book Gendry, but younger than he did in S1.

    I love Shae’s dress. This is more of the style I pictured for Margaery actually – loose and easy draped floral dresses.

    Maisie looks like a little boy! I mean, she’s still an adorable girl, but the costume/makeup/hair team did a fantastic job! Much better than the wig in Ep10 last year!

    Aimee Richardson looks so pretty in that Myrcella picture. I saw the pictures of Tommen too, and I’m glad these two are getting some play. Myrcella looks like such a sweet girl, a great contrast to what Lena has shown so far for S2!

    The lighting in the Sansa picture is perfect…look at Sophie’s eyes!

  16. Ludwig Van
    Posted March 16, 2012 at 9:36 am | Permalink

    Mirax: Alex,

    The cast should also all have fake bad teeth and the naked women should be wearing merkins for sure! *all in good fun*

    Actually, they should. Ros looked especially ridiculous in that regard…

  17. AlexBaratheon
    Posted March 16, 2012 at 9:38 am | Permalink

    Gendry is hot! I imagine thats what Robert look like in his early years. Perfect casting

  18. Ed
    Posted March 16, 2012 at 9:39 am | Permalink

    LoL It only took the FIRST post after yours for you to get your much-needed attention! Troll = WIN!! LoL

    HERP-DERP:
    First I learn that they recast Gregor Cleagane to someone who does not even remotely resemble him, and now I beleive they recast Gendry [he looks really different!] and Loras [his hair!].. and from the trailers, both Renly and Daenerys have lines that seem really forced and poorly executed.. I now have VERY poor expectations for season 2..

  19. Giantofstark
    Posted March 16, 2012 at 9:48 am | Permalink

    I’m half expecting Sam to try and flap his way out of a pie ;)

    Myrcella looks beautiful, how she has grown!

    Aren’t the dimensions of Shae’s shot a little strange? Looking lovely, but weird.

  20. purplejilly
    Posted March 16, 2012 at 9:51 am | Permalink

    That picture of Gendry has the “Baratheon” look that I always envisioned from the books. The blue eyes, the dark hair, the handsome face.

    In the book, Arya didn’t seem much interested in Gendry, probably because she was 11 or so, and puberty hadn’t hit yet. But wow, that’s one hot looking Gendry with a beautiful, affectionate smile. I wonder how they are going to play it out in the show?

    Myrcella looks like a beautiful Flemish painting, and Maisie, wow, those eyes, if anything that short hair makes her more striking..

  21. HERP-DERP
    Posted March 16, 2012 at 9:51 am | Permalink

    Ed,

    lol I’m not trolling.. I really do have poor expectations for season 2 at this point :S

  22. Pablo Jainaga
    Posted March 16, 2012 at 9:53 am | Permalink

    Maisie is just so perfect as Arya, best casting ever!

  23. Owen Parker
    Posted March 16, 2012 at 9:53 am | Permalink

    Lame I know but I was kind of please to see Gendry’s dirty waiscoat in the new picture because if confirmed my speculation that it was him in the Seven Devils tease.

    Mormegil: Gendry and Loras have not been recast.

    Seconded. Finn Jones is still playing Loras and is in some interview footage in the Renly character profile. That is definitely still Joe Dempsie as Gendry.

    Alex:
    No, Gendry doesn’t look good. i don’t buy him as someone who has worked as a blacksmith for years. It was much argued in nineteenth century evolutionary science whether blacksmith’s sons are born with big shoulders because they inherit them from their fathers, i.e. can acquired physical traits be inherited? That actor was never a blacksmith. He needs to look beefier.

    If you can’t buy this guy as a Blacksmiths apprentice then I don’t think you’re going to cope well with there being dragons in this show.

  24. Dee
    Posted March 16, 2012 at 9:54 am | Permalink

    Joe Dempsie looks so good with black hair and a day old beard. He should consider keeping the look.

  25. Joshua Taylor
    Posted March 16, 2012 at 9:54 am | Permalink

    HERP-DERP,

    Sucks to be you man. I do not envy you purists what so ever. Meanwhile the rest of us will sit back and (hopefully) enjoy a great adaptation of A Song of Ice and FIre whilst you purists lament the unrealistic expectations of adapting an 1000 page fantasy novel with all of the gory details intact to a television series.

    Maybe someday someone will make ASOIAF into a literal translation of the books by producing 7 4 hour films a’la Lord of the Rings with all of its mature content intact?

  26. Panda
    Posted March 16, 2012 at 10:04 am | Permalink

    Love Shae, Where do whores go?

  27. p
    Posted March 16, 2012 at 10:05 am | Permalink

    Gendry looks great! Very much like a Baratheon. Can’t wait for his interactions with Arya.

    HERP-DERP:
    Ed,

    lol I’m not trolling.. I really do have poor expectations for season 2 at this point :S

    Seriously? And here I was laughing at your first comment because I thought it was a great parody of all the latest “this show is ruined because of an out of context snipped I’ve seen in this trailer/on this picture” complaints… now I don’t know what to say.

  28. HERP-DERP
    Posted March 16, 2012 at 10:08 am | Permalink

    Joshua Taylor,

    actually, the worse one’s expectations going into the show, the more one will enjoy it if it turns out to be good.. so I am actually going to be enjoying this “adaptation” more than you are…

  29. Panda
    Posted March 16, 2012 at 10:08 am | Permalink

    Varys does not eye that phallic symbol in front of him as if it would evoke fond memories

  30. Panda
    Posted March 16, 2012 at 10:16 am | Permalink

    Joshua Taylor,

    Joshua Taylor:
    HERP-DERP,
    Maybe someday someone will make ASOIAF into a literal translation of the books by producing 7 4 hour films a’la Lord of the Rings with all of its mature content intact?

    They have to cut in a tv-show where they will have between 70-120 hours for the material (depending on whether some or all books 3-7 get split into more than 1 season). How should they manage to be true to it with 28 hours of movie time? Not that I am against those movies being made…

  31. Whiteotter
    Posted March 16, 2012 at 10:19 am | Permalink

    GENDRY! He looks awesome. Can’t wait. :)

  32. Stannis4life
    Posted March 16, 2012 at 10:23 am | Permalink

    Panda,

    LOL! That’s exactly what I thought. He’s looking at that thing with an expression like “I miss you…”

  33. Jen@House Stark
    Posted March 16, 2012 at 10:26 am | Permalink

    Jonho,
    For the love of the Seven, I agree! Gendry looks hot! Also, strangely attracted to Loras, much like Sansa was, I’m afraid! However, still loyal to the King in the North.

  34. Joshua Taylor
    Posted March 16, 2012 at 10:29 am | Permalink

    Panda,

    I was being sarcastic there…

    HERP-DERP,

    Ah, somehow I doubt that. I hope your tactic works out for you then. You’ve seemed pretty positive from your posts before hand and then I come here and find you reacting to Gendry and then Loras being recast (it’s the same actor without the awful wig)…I wasn’t sure if you a troll or playing the knee jerk Purist card.

    I hope you do enjoy it. I had low expectations going into John Carter and I end up enjoying myself more than I thought I did. The male lead was horrible though.

  35. Lala
    Posted March 16, 2012 at 10:31 am | Permalink

    Gendry looking good, but still a bit too old for any chemistry between him and Arya like there was in the books… maybe in season 7 when Maisie is of age? :)

  36. Katie
    Posted March 16, 2012 at 10:39 am | Permalink

    Alex,

    He doesn’t look like he was born to be a blacksmith because he was born to be the bastard son of a noble.

    He also doesn’t look like he was born to be a blacksmith because the dude is an actor. Lighten up. ;)

    More on topic, I’m loving all of the media that’s coming out now. The second season looks absolutely beautiful, I can’t wait to see it in action.

  37. sjwenings
    Posted March 16, 2012 at 10:48 am | Permalink

    Alex: That actor was never a blacksmith. He needs to look beefier.

    Read too much fantasy? Blacksmiths in real life are usually quite normal looking.

  38. Macha
    Posted March 16, 2012 at 10:54 am | Permalink

    John Bradley, I love you to bits.
    I’ll be saying this time and again, I don’t think I’ve ever seen such brilliant casting in a TV series.

  39. Maester Tcost
    Posted March 16, 2012 at 11:12 am | Permalink

    Herr Depp,

    If you really aren’t a troll, I hope (and expect) that you can see how and why some of us thought that you must be.

    On the other hand, if you are really a troll, well done!

  40. Steve
    Posted March 16, 2012 at 11:20 am | Permalink

    OT: For those wondering about the Gregor Clegane recasting straight from Conan:
    http://www.conanstevens.com/acting-movies-tv-film/tall-actor-blog/game-of-thrones-season-02.html

  41. Vanderhook
    Posted March 16, 2012 at 11:29 am | Permalink

    Herp Derp has got to be a troll. I mean his name is HERP DERP, a common internet meme (trolls and internet memes are often intertwined). Not only that but his objections are outlandish, over the top and flat out false. Loras and Gendry have not been recast. Not only that, but his follow up post shows his perceived sense of superiority because of his way of thinking — this is a classic troll maneuver.
    I give you an 8/10. Good trolling, but you need practice.

    Anyways, cool pictures. But I’m still not buying that everyone believes Arya to be a boy. She clearly looked like a female in the scene between her and Hot Pie in the final episode of Season 1. I’m optimistic that Maisie will be able to make it work, and have some more masculine body language.

  42. Shinyteapot
    Posted March 16, 2012 at 11:33 am | Permalink

    Panda:
    Varys does not eye that phallic symbol in front of him as if it would evoke fond memories

    That has to be a gift from Littlefinger!

    Agree about Gendry, if Robert looked like that when he’d just won the war I can believe Cersei would have fancied the pants off him. FWIW, based on the books I got the impression she was happy to be marrying him (‘love’ is too strong a term, she didn’t know him yet) up until he called her Lyanna.

  43. andrea
    Posted March 16, 2012 at 11:50 am | Permalink

    Still love Arry´s picture more than any other.
    Wow Gendry … very nice, all that beautiful dark hair, those cheekbones.
    I always thought Cersei´s daughter would look like this pretty girl… that sad gaze, poor thing.
    I just realized now that the clothes of the Night Watch really makes them look like crows.

  44. Convivial Edd
    Posted March 16, 2012 at 11:52 am | Permalink

    Wow, Myrcella looks…um…legal, if you know what I mean.

  45. Michael Harper
    Posted March 16, 2012 at 12:00 pm | Permalink

    Convivial Edd,

    This is the funniest thing I’ve heard all day! HaHa :P

  46. HERP-DERP
    Posted March 16, 2012 at 12:12 pm | Permalink

    Vanderhook,

    I AM NOT A TROLL!! SHEEESH! I put herpderp as a nick cuz I was too bored to think of another name.. I honestly thought that gendry was recast.. he looks completely different in this pic compared to season 1.. and Loras.. his new hairdo led me to believe he was a different actor as well…

    Very well then, from now on I will consider posting under another name.. if that will keep the troll-name-callers off my back.. and btw calling someone a troll really hurts…

  47. KG
    Posted March 16, 2012 at 12:34 pm | Permalink

    Man, I do not like their vision of Shae. At all. The whole story crashes to a halt whenever she’s shoehorned in.

  48. TheFacelessMan
    Posted March 16, 2012 at 12:40 pm | Permalink

    HERP-DERP,

    I name thee TROLL, Sir. Or maybe, Sir Troll of the Bridge. Don’t deny it.

  49. Mimsy
    Posted March 16, 2012 at 12:55 pm | Permalink

    I have STRONG feelings for Gendry.. lol .. *ahem* as in I want him to take charge of the Baratheon lineage. Look at that FACE!! Dayum!

    I don’t know what the big stink is regarding the Gendry/Arya age difference. It’s not like she’s in love with him.. (yet I hope).. in the books she has an attraction to him as a protector/confidant.. what have you.. there’s just something there for her and in turn Gendry wants to keep her safe and enjoys her company. He’s kind of a loner, but Arya is different and he likes to be around her.. even when she annoys him. The age difference is no big deal.. it’s just the beginnings of a crush on Arya’s part and Gendry just likes to hang out with her. It’s all innocent.

    Is it too soon to pre-order season 2?

  50. Bob Loblaw
    Posted March 16, 2012 at 12:58 pm | Permalink

    Myrcella looks like the perfect little Lannister! I’m glad she’s getting some pub, especially since the actress was almost recast after the pilot(?).

  51. King Joffrey
    Posted March 16, 2012 at 1:16 pm | Permalink

    Convivial Edd:
    Wow, Myrcella looks…um…legal, if you know what I mean.

    Just so.

    Sweet Jesus.

  52. Silvan
    Posted March 16, 2012 at 1:41 pm | Permalink

    KG,

    I agree. She is nowhere near what I imagined. I have no problem with the actress being older than the role, but she seems to look and act too old. I imaged a strong willed, leaning towards rebellious or irreverent, teenage whore. Physically I pictured more similar to Oona Chaplin. All that being said I have no major concerns with who they cast.

  53. Chrysee
    Posted March 16, 2012 at 1:42 pm | Permalink

    King Joffrey,

    She is 14. Come on guys.

  54. Ed
    Posted March 16, 2012 at 1:52 pm | Permalink

    Yeah, I haven’t been a huge fan of her casting. Not a deal breaker or nothing, but… eeehh… Coulda been better, for sure.

    KG:
    Man, I do not like their vision of Shae. At all. The whole story crashes to a halt whenever she’s shoehorned in.

  55. Ed
    Posted March 16, 2012 at 1:54 pm | Permalink

    Really? Please point out to me which book and what chapter? I never got that once from reading the books.

    Lala:
    Gendry looking good, but still a bit too old for any chemistry between him and Arya like there was in the books… maybe in season 7 when Maisie is of age?:)

  56. MoonCoffee
    Posted March 16, 2012 at 2:16 pm | Permalink

    Between Gendry, Jaqen and Hot Pie, Arya sure has no shortage of hot guys around.

  57. Mimsy
    Posted March 16, 2012 at 2:21 pm | Permalink

    Michael Harper,

    OMG! OMG! OMG!!!!!

    Look at those paws.. look at that fluff! Ghost and Jon are the PERFECT couple. They look amazing together!

    Michael Harper, thank you for the picture. :) :)

  58. Jim Cross
    Posted March 16, 2012 at 2:26 pm | Permalink

    Just noticed as I scrolled over Gendry’s pic that it says Gendry “Waters”.
    Always thought of him as a Storm, but I suppose Waters would be right since he was born in the crownlands…….
    great pictures, can’t wait

  59. Lala
    Posted March 16, 2012 at 2:43 pm | Permalink

    Ed,

    Really? Did you notice the Jon Connington-Rhaegar connection in ADwD? Arya & Gendry’s flirtatious banter is somewhat obvious, I noticed it and I was 16 first reading the books.. It’s not flirting as in Jaimie-Brienne, but it’s just cute childlike crushy attitude between them. Lots of threads about that on Westeros forums. (and no, I can’t say which book and which chapter, I don’t have time to re-read it:)

  60. Convivial Edd
    Posted March 16, 2012 at 2:46 pm | Permalink

    Chrysee:
    King Joffrey,

    She is 14. Come on guys.

    Oh…

    Too old.

  61. John-Michael Lelievre
    Posted March 16, 2012 at 2:50 pm | Permalink

    Wow Gendry looks awesome lol, reminds me of the change Renly has gone through.

  62. Katie
    Posted March 16, 2012 at 2:50 pm | Permalink

    Michael Harper,

    That’s a manip of the EW shoot and a random wolf, isn’t it?

  63. King Joffrey
    Posted March 16, 2012 at 2:52 pm | Permalink

    Chrysee:
    King Joffrey,

    She is 14. Come on guys.

    Yeah don’t worry about it; I’m twelve. In fact, it’s my name day in the very first episode.

  64. Michael Harper
    Posted March 16, 2012 at 3:19 pm | Permalink

    Mimsy,

    No problemo

    Katie,

    Haven’t got a clue. It was on SpoilerTV with other official Entertainment Weekly pictures.

  65. poguemahone
    Posted March 16, 2012 at 3:22 pm | Permalink

    Man, give the kid playing Gendry longer hair and a few months in the weight room and I could see him playing a young Robert in a prequel series. Almost exactly as I imagined him. Probably not tall enough though.

  66. Katie
    Posted March 16, 2012 at 3:26 pm | Permalink

    Michael Harper,

    Well, shit. Just opened my magazine, and it’s in there. I don’t think it’s an official show depiction of the wolf, though. Just EW photographers getting arts-and-crafty with photoshop.

  67. poguemahone
    Posted March 16, 2012 at 3:27 pm | Permalink

    Also, it’s uncanny how much Myrcella looks like she could be Cersei and Jaime’s daughter. Great casting.

  68. Ed
    Posted March 16, 2012 at 4:08 pm | Permalink

    Yes, I noticed that in ADWD.

    Never noticed it between Arya and Gendry though – too weird for me to consider with her age, I guess…

    Lala:
    Ed,

    Really? Did you notice the Jon Connington-Rhaegar connection in ADwD? Arya & Gendry’s flirtatious banter is somewhat obvious, I noticed it and I was 16 first reading the books.. It’s not flirting as in Jaimie-Brienne, but it’s just cute childlike crushy attitude between them. Lots of threads about that on Westeros forums. (and no, I can’t say which book and which chapter, I don’t have time to re-read it:)

  69. Ed
    Posted March 16, 2012 at 4:13 pm | Permalink

    Okay folks, where are the whiners and wailers that were around when dude was wondering if our new writer has a boyfriend? Clearly this comment is worthy of your hand-wringing and pitchforks!

    Sorry Convival Edd – don’t mean to throw you under the bus! :-)

    Convivial Edd:
    Wow, Myrcella looks…um…legal, if you know what I mean.

  70. Mormegil
    Posted March 16, 2012 at 4:22 pm | Permalink

    Jim Cross: Just noticed as I scrolled over Gendry’s pic that it says Gendry “Waters”.Always thought of him as a Storm, but I suppose Waters would be right since he was born in the crownlands…….great pictures, can’t wait

    While technically he should be Gendry Waters in reality he’s not Gendry anything.

    You only get a Bastard surname if at least one of your parents is a Noble and said parent has acknowledged you as their offspring and allows you to use the Surname.

    Mya Stone gets to use Stone as Robert ackowledged her as his child when she was a baby and must have let her mother give her the surname Stone.

    In Gendrys case AFAWK he was never refered to as Gendry Waters as a child ( he certainly never refers to himself as Waters) and has no idea his father was a Noble (never mind King) .

    So either Robert did not ackowledge Gendry as a baby or Gendrys mother did not want people to know the father was a Noble and did not give Gendry a Surname.

  71. The Kingslayer
    Posted March 16, 2012 at 5:12 pm | Permalink

    Who’s the girl after Arya ?

    I always giggle when I see ex Skins actors trying to be serious.

  72. The Kingslayer
    Posted March 16, 2012 at 5:15 pm | Permalink

    Speaking of ex Skins actors does anyone else think Kaya Scodelario would be a more sensible choice for Marg rather than Natalie Dormer ? I have nothing against Natalie she’s gorgeous and talented but it’s going to be weird watching her by Jack’s side next season.

  73. Jim Cross
    Posted March 16, 2012 at 5:29 pm | Permalink

    Mormegil,

    yah that’s what I thought too…….
    he really shouldn’t have a bastard surname

  74. Mormegil
    Posted March 16, 2012 at 5:31 pm | Permalink

    The Kingslayer: Who’s the girl after Arya ?

    Myrcella Baratheon

  75. Pink Dragon
    Posted March 16, 2012 at 5:45 pm | Permalink

    The Kingslayer:
    Speaking of ex Skins actors does anyone else think Kaya Scodelario would be a more sensible choice for Marg rather than Natalie Dormer ? I have nothing against Natalie she’s gorgeous and talented but it’s going to be weird watching her by Jack’s side next season.

    Yep. I was almost positive Kaya was going to be Marg, and I don’t even like Kaya. She can pull off looking devious and innocent both, and she’s a lot younger-seeming. I mean, I don’t mind Natalie, but she seems a little too old. Maybe it’s how she carries herself, but Margaery’s a dang kid, practically.

    For the younger roles, I actually would expect them to leech more and more actors from Skins, except that it looks like there’s going to be this huge final reunion series coming up. So there goes my Nick Hoult as Ramsey idea, and Luke Pasqualino as Quentyn Martell, and all the other fifty ones I had…

    (I was a huge fan back in the day, okay.)

    Dempsie is freaking BANGING as Gendry, though, and I’m out of my mind waiting for how well Hannah Murray does Gilly. (I hope she pulls out some Skins Cassie when she’s at it.)

  76. Mimsy
    Posted March 16, 2012 at 5:51 pm | Permalink

    Is it a case closed situation with the dark haired baby Cersei lost? It nags me to no end that someone may have swapped that dark haired baby out and Gendry is the true son of Robert/Cersei. I can’t recall any definitive death to Robert’s lost dark haired baby.

  77. Pink Dragon
    Posted March 16, 2012 at 5:55 pm | Permalink

    Mimsy:
    Is it a case closed situation with the dark haired baby Cersei lost?It nags me to no end that someone may have swapped that dark haired baby out and Gendry is the true son of Robert/Cersei.I can’t recall any definitive death to Robert’s lost dark haired baby.

    That has some huge, somewhat frightening implications if it’s true. It means that endgame, Gendry is the true heir to the throne – and I don’t think that’s what George is going for in the books, unless he knows something we don’t…

    Then again, I always pay strict attention to the changes in the show, because I feel like as we move on some of them might hint towards stuff George hasn’t written yet. That is, if the show and the books are working towards the same ending.

  78. Mimsy
    Posted March 16, 2012 at 6:02 pm | Permalink

    Pink Dragon,

    Wouldn’t that be an awesome twist though? I really don’t want Gendry to be King, because it kinda sucks to be royalty, but I want him to be a legitimate heir to Storms End so the Baratheon tree can grow once more. The Starks and Baratheon’s make a solid team and it would be a shame to lose that ally.

    Thanks for your input!

  79. Shinyteapot
    Posted March 16, 2012 at 6:08 pm | Permalink

    The Kingslayer,

    Please tag the spoiler!

    Mimsy,

    Depends on how things are going with the show. Cersei is devious- maybe (in show-canon) everything she said is true (except praying for Bran’s recovery!). Or perhaps she was simply lying. Or it’s an exaggeration of events in the books where Robert got her pregnant and Jaime arranged for her to have an abortion. Maybe in the show- (this is probably not true, theory only!)- she took something to induce a miscarriage that didn’t work, but did cause enough damage that the child died soon after birth. Or perhaps she simply killed it outright. She loves her children by Jaime because she considers them reflections of herself, perhaps she doesn’t even count Robert’s child as ‘hers’.

  80. Mormegil
    Posted March 16, 2012 at 6:11 pm | Permalink

    Pink Dragon: That has some huge, somewhat frightening implications if it’s true. It means that endgame, Gendry is the true heir to the throne – and I don’t think that’s what George is going for in the books, unless he knows something we don’t…Then again, I always pay strict attention to the changes in the show, because I feel like as we move on some of them might hint towards stuff George hasn’t written yet. That is, if the show and the books are working towards the same ending.

    There was no black haired Cersei/Robert baby in the books though, not even one that GRRM has kept hidden so far.

    Cersei believes in Maggy the Frogs prophecy and that prophecy stated Cersei would have three children. If Cersei had already had four children then surely Cersei would no longer believe in the Prophecy.

  81. Pink Dragon
    Posted March 16, 2012 at 6:19 pm | Permalink

    Mormegil: There was no black haired Cersei/Robert baby in the books though, not even one that GRRM has kept hidden so far.

    Cersei believes in Maggy the Frogs prophecy and that prophecy stated Cersei would have three children. If Cersei had already had four children then surely Cersei would no longer believe in the Prophecy.

    Oh, yeah, I know, the second paragraph was just how I feel about these sorts of changes/theories in general. Until ADwD came out, I thought for sure Pycelle’s weird I’m Not Really That Frail thing meant something down the line for the books, too, i.e. George told them to slip it in early.

  82. Pink Dragon
    Posted March 16, 2012 at 6:21 pm | Permalink

    Mimsy,

    Oh, yeah, it would be awesome. The Baratheons are my homeboys and I count myself as one of Robert’s bastards. ;) He’s my one true king.

  83. Mimsy
    Posted March 16, 2012 at 6:36 pm | Permalink

    Shinyteapot,

    Cersei couldn’t have known it wasn’t Jaime’s baby until the shock of black hair at the birth and then maybe played it off as a sickly baby? Hmm.. maybe she wasn’t evil enough to kill the baby and secretly gave it to another? Wasn’t Gendry’s description of his mother as blonde? Let’s say if the woman he knew as his “mother” wasn’t really biological, but the super blonde clue would lead us to believe he could be linked to Cersei?

    I don’t know what to make of Gendry’s situation, but those darn little clues either in the show or in the books lead me to Robert/Cersei and a hidden plot. I just don’t know.. aside from what I WANT to be true! :)

  84. Mimsy
    Posted March 16, 2012 at 6:40 pm | Permalink

    Pink Dragon,

    LOL .. I think the bastards have better luck in this series! Especially, the low key ones.

  85. userj
    Posted March 16, 2012 at 6:47 pm | Permalink

    MYRCELLA FUTURE QUEEN OF WESTEROS !!!! *kneel*

  86. userj
    Posted March 16, 2012 at 6:55 pm | Permalink

    Shinyteapot: . She loves her children by Jaime because she considers them reflections of herself, perhaps she doesn’t even count Robert’s child as ‘hers’.

    That’s absurd. She loves her children because she loves her children like any mother would. She doesn’t only love them because they look like Jaime – she loves them because they are children born with the man that she wanted to be with, children that she chose to have.

    On the other hand, she loathes Robert’s “contributions” because they are children born of rape and abuse. She cannot disconnect them from her (totally legitimate) hateful feelings towards Robert. It’s tragic, but I’d challenge you to love the baby of your rapist as dearly as your true children. Most women choose Cersei’s path – it’s psychologically damaging (to all involved) to carry a child of rape to term, let alone try to pretend you can love it unconditionally after birth.

    It would be interesting if in the show they make Gendry Cersei’s kid. I don’t think this is likely in the books – unless Cersei was lying to Ned.

  87. Adrian
    Posted March 16, 2012 at 7:08 pm | Permalink

    KG: KG

    Totally. I know if I was paying a whore to pretend to love or even tolerate me, the very second she told me she would carve my eyes out of my head she’d be fired and out on her ass.

  88. Mimsy
    Posted March 16, 2012 at 7:12 pm | Permalink

    userj,

    Are you implying that Gendry would have been a product of rape? Correct me if I’m wrong, but weren’t Robert and Cersei cordial in the beginning of their marriage? I understand after a while it became a loathsome duty to be married to each other, but wasn’t Robert attentive in the beginning? I don’t think Cersei was all about Jaime’s kids from the get go.. until she started popping them out and having anything other than a “golden” baby would give her away.

  89. userj
    Posted March 16, 2012 at 8:11 pm | Permalink

    Mimsy,

    In the TV show it’s possible they were cordial for some period of time. It’s rather unclear because later she tells Ned she despised him after he said Lyanna on their wedding night.

    The books (especially a feast for crows) make it clear that Cersei hated him, and always had to be physically forced by Robert during sex. She never willingly allowed him to sleep with her after their wedding night.

    So unless the child was conceived on Robert and Cersei’s wedding night, then yes, in my opinion he/she was a product of rape in Cersei’s mind (though not by the laws of Westeros where after all men can do whatever they want to their spouses, including kill them).

  90. Mimsy
    Posted March 16, 2012 at 8:41 pm | Permalink

    userj,

    It’s rather sad that these two had such a disastrous marriage. Too bad they couldn’t find a common ground like Ned and Catelyn and grow to love one another.

    Thanks for the Cersei insight userj. I kind of take Cersei with a grain of salt, because if you aren’t on team Cersei, then you’re just against her. It was hard for me to empathize with her until Dance with Dragons.. but we’ll see what girlfriend has up her sleeve.

  91. The Kingslayer
    Posted March 16, 2012 at 9:59 pm | Permalink

    Pink Dragon: Luke Pasqualino

    Luke Pasqualino as Quentyn Martell is a really good idea.

  92. Alex
    Posted March 16, 2012 at 10:35 pm | Permalink

    To all those pointing out the Gendry is not a blacksmith’s son, he’s Robert’s son, can I say this is what I find incredible about the casting. Before he took up kinging for a living, Robert swung a hammer professionally. He was too heavily-built to be much use with a sword. It’s by design not coincidence, that his son is also someone who delights in swinging a hammer. The essential quality they needed to cast for to make Gendry so startlingly like Robert that strangers would notice, is beefiness. The hair colour they could fix with dye. I appreciate that this actor has put in the hours in a gym and comes with a fan-club from his previous work, but he remains to slightly-built to be Robert’s son and to have been hammering metal for a hobby as well was a living. you can’t act physical heft.

    Mostly the casting is perfect, but not this one.

  93. andrea
    Posted March 16, 2012 at 11:04 pm | Permalink

    Pink Dragon: Luke Pasqualino as Quentyn Martell,

    too young to be father of the Sandsnakes.

  94. taekwonjohn
    Posted March 16, 2012 at 11:08 pm | Permalink

    Hodor, Hodor, Hodor! HOOOOODDDOOOR!!!!!!! Hodor. Hodor. Hodor Hodor….Hodor? HODoooooOOOOOORRRR!!!!!!!!! Hodor Hodor? Hodor Hodor. Hodor. Hodor, Hodor, Hodor, Hodor, Hodor, Hodor!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

  95. The Kingslayer
    Posted March 16, 2012 at 11:10 pm | Permalink

    andrea: too young to be father of the Sandsnakes.

    You’re thinking of The Red Viper.

  96. andrea
    Posted March 16, 2012 at 11:19 pm | Permalink

    The Kingslayer,

    :) forgettable Quentin I guess.

  97. KG
    Posted March 17, 2012 at 2:34 am | Permalink

    Even accepting that people who did this for their only living (and since they could lift a hammer) would be bulkier than a present-day blacksmith, a simple Google image seach shows that this strange mental image you have of Schwarzenegger slamming around Mjolnir is ridiculous.

  98. HERP-DERP
    Posted March 17, 2012 at 3:00 am | Permalink

    KG,

    are you Kevin Garnett??

  99. freyar_88
    Posted March 17, 2012 at 4:30 am | Permalink

    Damn, Gendry is hot.

  100. Jenish Kachhadia
    Posted March 17, 2012 at 4:50 am | Permalink

    taekwonjohn,

    hodor?

  101. Stannis4life
    Posted March 17, 2012 at 6:03 am | Permalink

    One of you smart people has to have built a time machine by now… I’ll carry you around on my back all day like Hodor if you let me use it…

  102. userj
    Posted March 17, 2012 at 10:59 am | Permalink

    Mimsy: Thanks for the Cersei insight userj. I kind of take Cersei with a grain of salt, because if you aren’t on team Cersei, then you’re just against her. It was hard for me to empathize with her until Dance with Dragons.. but we’ll see what girlfriend has up her sleeve.

    I did feel much more sympathetic towards her after adwd as well – in fact Tyrion and Cersei are now so similar that I’m not sure who is worse.

    That said, I personally don’t think that the fact that Cersei is a victim absolves her from being a horrible, awful, selfish, monstrous person herself. Indeed abuse victims often turn around and abuse others. I think Cersei’s motivations can be explained by her position in society but that in no way excuses her actions.

  103. Katie
    Posted March 17, 2012 at 12:22 pm | Permalink

    Alex,

    I think you’re reading far too much into this. Should they cast to the ideal, purist version of what the character should be physically, or should they cast the best actor? The way you’re dwelling on this, I’d be surprised if you liked Sean Bean. Let’s be honest, he doesn’t look like a Stark at all. Also, Mark Addy wasn’t 6’6, Momoa was a little short, Kit, Emilia, Harry and Maisie’s eyes are entirely the wrong color, and Dinklage is just way too pretty.

    By your logic, they should just re-cast the whole damn thing. What a shit job David, Dan and Nina did, honestly. ;)

  104. John Juliano
    Posted March 17, 2012 at 12:34 pm | Permalink

    Hislocal,

    And robert had shoulders like a pack of oxen. He was massively muscular in his younger days, and gendry should have that. Now to be fair, it came out great in s1. He looked perfect. I just dont like this picture. It does not at all mesh with my image of gendry, just very different, cant put my finger on how, though.

  105. Tropxe
    Posted March 17, 2012 at 2:13 pm | Permalink

    Somehow even though she’s supposed to resemble a boy here, Maise looks a lot prettier than Sansa in their respective photos. Maybe Maise is just growing into her looks as a young woman more, but in season 1 Sophie tended to look more attractive whereas here she actually looks kind of plain and Maise looks striking. It might just be the quality of the two photos.

  106. Jen@House Stark
    Posted March 19, 2012 at 2:04 pm | Permalink

    @userj – I accept your challenge. I have a 20 year-old son conceived from a rape and he is loved and accepted beyond measure. I’ve also stated that it does not affect how I feel about GOT, because it is a story and not real life. My son loves GOT as well, but not a much as me!!

  107. Thiago Slash
    Posted March 20, 2012 at 12:23 am | Permalink

    geez, Maisie looks awesome!

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