Variety and The Hollywood Reporter love Game of Thrones
By Winter Is Coming on in Reviews.

Both of the Hollywood trades have published their reviews for season two of Game of Thrones and both of them love what they’ve seen from the first four episodes.

Brian Lowry of Variety writes:

“Thrones” creates such a rich visual feast — replete with plenty of gratuitous nudity and blood-letting — as to almost obscure its fundamental storytelling pleasures, which are as much a mob drama as anything else, having traded bullets for broadswords. By that measure, this really might the closest spiritual heir to “The Sopranos” HBO has delivered since the show’s notorious whiteout.

While Tim Goodman of The Hollywood Reporter says:

Ah, but from the fantasy realm comes a legitimate contender in HBO’s Game of Thrones, which received a best drama nomination in its freshman season of 2011. The epic series, based on the collection of books from George R.R. Martin, created an amazingly ambitious worldview and supplied it with a vast array of complicated and nuanced characters. The result was a series that immediately put itself in the discussion as one of the best shows on television, a rare and lightning-fast emergence.

On April 1, Game of Thrones returns for its second season and impressively cements the reputation it earned when it burst onto the scene. The first four episodes are rich in storytelling and action and ambition — a thrilling return to brilliance.

Winter Is Coming: More glowing reviews? What else is new. But seriously, if you aren’t totally hyped for season two by now, you may want to check your pulse.


130 Comments

  1. rhymes with freak
    Posted March 27, 2012 at 9:29 pm | Permalink

    first!

  2. Ben Watson
    Posted March 27, 2012 at 9:40 pm | Permalink

    I’m hyped. I have pulse.

  3. dig
    Posted March 27, 2012 at 9:48 pm | Permalink

    Love it love it love it. I’m sure I’ll be raving about it even more after the Atlanta screening tomorrow. Hype meter overload.

  4. JamesL
    Posted March 27, 2012 at 9:51 pm | Permalink

    Heres another positive review- http://thephoenix.com/Boston/recroom/136138-and-thus-the-game-of-thrones-continues/?rel=inf It looks like they have actually added more sex stuff this season despite the criticisms from last year. That review mentions that there is more sex this season and I seen a critic on twitter mention there is a lot of sex in episode 2 and EW has even mentioned Joffrey sex scenes. I like sexy stuff in the shows I watch but it was not handled very well in season 1 so I just hope the sex stuff doesn’t feel as forced or as lewd this season. I’m just dreading more extended lewd sex scenes like the Littlefinger brothel one considering David and Dan mentioned in an interview that HBO executives have never made them cut a scene before but they did say “really?” about some of the sexual stuff in season 2. So it’s not HBO forcing them to put a bunch of sex into the show and I wonder what type of sexual content they are putting in the show if it has HBO executives asking them “really?”.

  5. TJ
    Posted March 27, 2012 at 10:01 pm | Permalink

    Where’s the WIC review?

  6. Steven Swanson
    Posted March 27, 2012 at 10:18 pm | Permalink

    JamesL:
    Heres another positive review-http://thephoenix.com/Boston/recroom/136138-and-thus-the-game-of-thrones-continues/?rel=inf It looks like they have actually added more sex stuff this season despite the criticisms from last year. That review mentions that there is more sex this season and I seen a critic on twitter mention there is a lot of sex in episode 2 and EW has even mentioned Joffrey sex scenes. I like sexy stuff in the shows I watch but it was not handled very well in season 1 so I just hope the sex stuffdoesn’t feel as forced or as lewd this season. I’m just dreading more extended lewd sex scenes like the Littlefinger brothel one considering David and Dan mentioned in an interview that HBO executives have never made them cut a scene before but they did say “really?” about some of the sexual stuff in season 2. So it’s not HBO forcing them to put a bunch of sex into the show and I wonder what type of sexual content they are putting in the show if it has HBO executives asking them “really?”.

    Are you sure the “really?” was referring to sexual content? I read that interview and it has been a few weeks, but I thought that they weren’t that specific about what gave the HBO’ers pause.

  7. DavosFTW!
    Posted March 27, 2012 at 10:29 pm | Permalink

    Seventh!!!

  8. John W
    Posted March 27, 2012 at 10:53 pm | Permalink

    Those two review tell me one thing: Season 3 is all but guaranteed. I bet they’ll wait till the season premiere to announce it.

  9. JamesL
    Posted March 27, 2012 at 11:01 pm | Permalink

    Steven Swanson,

    They were asked about the sexual content in the show and said HBO has never made them cut anything out but there were a few scenes in season 2 where they asked “really?” and they responded “yes really”. I’ll try and find the interview.

  10. Arthur
    Posted March 27, 2012 at 11:03 pm | Permalink

    John W,

    I think the wait for HBO to give the green light is because D & D have asked for them to green light seasons 3 & 4… I also think someone said HBO executives said they will give the green light unless “Game of Thrones falls off a cliff”.

    So, it is just a matter of time before we hear the news of HBO giving their approval.

  11. gswelcome
    Posted March 27, 2012 at 11:04 pm | Permalink

    i really hope that reviewer at bostonphoenix was exaggerating with the increased sex, I don’t mind some in any show but don’t need to be saddled with large quantities of boobs, this isn’t porn after all. Besides, the more sex scenes there are the less screen time for real plot and character development.

  12. JamesL
    Posted March 27, 2012 at 11:09 pm | Permalink

    Heres the interview http://www.heyuguys.co.uk/2012/03/09/game-of-thrones-interview-writers-david-benioff-and-d-b-weiss/
    “On the sex and violence
    I don’t know – would more people be watching or would less people be watching if the sex quotient changed. We prefer explicit sex to implicit sex! We do what we feel the story merits, what we feel is necessary and maybe this is naive but I assume that everyone in the world has an internet connection and we’re not showing anything people haven’t seen far more of, far more explicitly than we would ever want to show. I’m, in a way, surprised that the violence doesn’t register more than the sex because violence is objectively worse than sex! HBO have never made us cut a scene, there were a couple of times…in season two when they said ‘Really…?’ and we said ‘Yeah, really!’.”

  13. Hexonx
    Posted March 27, 2012 at 11:15 pm | Permalink

    Well, if KU does well in the Final Four this may be one of my best weekends of all time! RCJH

  14. Stefano
    Posted March 27, 2012 at 11:15 pm | Permalink

    Literally just saw a brand new Game of Thrones season 2 trailer on TNT. I’ve never seen an HBO show advertised on a different station before. Most of the footage was the same, I think a new one of danny, but the preview was intercut with critic reviews of the show.. “Breathtaking”,”shocking”, “Better than the first” etc.

  15. NousWanderer
    Posted March 27, 2012 at 11:28 pm | Permalink

    I’m glad D&D are sticking to their [unintentionally phallic, metaphorical] guns with regard to sexual content in season 2. There’s no reason for them to hold back. It all worked for me, and I remain convinced that the lion’s share of the howling came from a vocal minority that routinely misrepresented the actual genital to jerkin ratio.

  16. gswelcome
    Posted March 27, 2012 at 11:35 pm | Permalink

    NousWanderer,

    so you approve of extra sexy time to stick it in the eyes of prudes? i’d prefer more plot myself

  17. NousWanderer
    Posted March 27, 2012 at 11:56 pm | Permalink

    gswelcome: so you approve of extra sexy time to stick it in the eyes of prudes?

    You say that like they’re mutually exclusive. No, I approve of extra sexy time for many reasons, not the least of which being that it offers a great opportunity for plot and characterization. Sex provides a usefully intimate context, and I found almost every ‘sexposition’ scene completely successful. The writers got out more than they put in, so to speak. Sticking the device into the eyes of prudes is an entirely secondary concern, but I won’t deny that I prefer it to the alternative.

  18. gswelcome
    Posted March 28, 2012 at 12:03 am | Permalink

    NousWanderer,

    i suppose i see it entirely opposite, i found the sexposition rather annoying. Made me feel like I was being condescended to, as if I wouldn’t listen to backstory without nekkid people. If they are going to insist on doing it however I hope they do it a tad better than that vile Littlefinger scene. HBO can bring in the demographic that likes looking at skin without being tacky if they wanted to I’m sure.

  19. NousWanderer
    Posted March 28, 2012 at 12:17 am | Permalink

    gswelcome,

    The whorehouse bit was definitely my favorite sexposition scene. So fantastic, and such a great use of Littlefinger. Arguments for or against are old hat at this point, though.

  20. Arthur
    Posted March 28, 2012 at 12:21 am | Permalink

    Natalie Dormer is so hot, her nude scenes were filmed solo in an inclosed bomb-shelter to prevent the cast and crew from turning to cinders.

  21. gswelcome
    Posted March 28, 2012 at 12:22 am | Permalink

    NousWanderer,

    true, don’t mean to harp on that one point, I found it to be one of the worst scenes in my view but compared to the show overall I can easily push it away to be in awe of the accomplishment D&D have here. Now in a few days get to see another season of this great show. Been waiting all this time to see Renly and that certain piece of fruit for instance lol…

  22. purplejilly
    Posted March 28, 2012 at 12:26 am | Permalink

    NousWanderer:
    gswelcome,

    The whorehouse bit was definitely my favorite sexposition scene. So fantastic, and such a great use of Littlefinger. Arguments for or against are old hat at this point, though.

    There were a few better uses for Littlefinger *I* can still think of.
    Oh well, they did say this year they are catering to people who like ‘pudding’, in their snarky reply to reporter’s questions about too much rape and sex last year.. And how can you have your pudding, if you don’t eat your meat?

  23. purplejilly
    Posted March 28, 2012 at 12:29 am | Permalink

    gswelcome: i suppose i see it entirely opposite, i found the sexposition rather annoying. Made me feel like I was being condescended to, as if I wouldn’t listen to backstory without nekkid people. If they are going to insist on doing it however I hope they do it a tad better than that vile Littlefinger scene. HBO can bring in the demographic that likes looking at skin without being tacky if they wanted to I’m sure.

    I agree 100%.

  24. Winter Is Coming
    Posted March 28, 2012 at 12:33 am | Permalink

    Re-watching season one now and I find that the “sexposition” complaints are way overblown. The fact is, due to the nature of the show, there needs to be a lot of expository scenes and the writers try to use a variety of methods of imparting that info to the viewers. Sometimes it is couched in violence (the Sandor backstory, Robert and Kingsguard talking about first kills), sometimes it is in the form of a lesson (Bran learning about the houses, Sansa reciting history to her septa), and sometimes it is done in some verbal sparring (Tyrion smacking down Theon, Ned and Jaime trade barbs in the throne room). Yet for some reason all people want to focus on are the sex/nudity scenes… of which there are maybe 3 or 4… in a 10 hour show.

  25. NousWanderer
    Posted March 28, 2012 at 12:35 am | Permalink

    Was there really that much gratuitous rape in S1? I’m trying to think back: Dany gets raped by Drogo (I think everything they changed about the wedding night is a total improvement, by the by, and loose quotes from George R.R. Martin seem to suggest that he agrees), and there’s some implied Dothraki raping and pillaging going on in the background in later scenes. Where else? Anyway, I certainly don’t think the rape somehow overstated the world’s harshness.

    Regarding nudity in the broadest sense, I think Matt Zoller Seitz nails it here: http://www.salon.com/2011/07/06/game_of_thrones_sex_and_nudity/

    But for the most part, I would defend the vast majority of the nude and partly nude shots on “Game of Thrones” as, if not absolutely, totally integral to the plot, then at least imaginative enough pass muster as drama — just not a drama that kids should be allowed to watch. Oh, hell, let’s just go ahead and say it: most of them were as integral as TV scenes get.

  26. gswelcome
    Posted March 28, 2012 at 12:39 am | Permalink

    Winter Is Coming,

    well the Littlefinger one was rather memorable… difficult not to talk about it, something so graphic and cheesy at the same time.

  27. HERP-DERP
    Posted March 28, 2012 at 12:45 am | Permalink

    Tim Goodman of The Hollywood Reporter says:

    It’s a pleasure to see that Game of Thrones hasn’t lost a grip on its ability to tell a vast, interconnected story without slowing down the pace.

    LOL wait till they adapt book 4!! if they also extend season 3 into 2 whole seasons the pace would become really slow as well.

  28. Arthur
    Posted March 28, 2012 at 12:46 am | Permalink

    gswelcome,

    Natalie Dormer is so hot, Littlefinger told her to play with HIS ass.

  29. DavosFTW!
    Posted March 28, 2012 at 12:48 am | Permalink

    The Age, a newspaper in Melbourne and a rather big one, had this http://www.theage.com.au/entertainment/tv-and-radio/one-saga-to-rule-them-all-20120327-1vvxu.html
    Its probably in other fairfax papers around Australia too.

  30. Steven Swanson
    Posted March 28, 2012 at 12:51 am | Permalink

    gswelcome:
    i really hope that reviewer at bostonphoenix was exaggerating with the increased sex, I don’t mind some in any show but don’t need to be saddled with large quantities of boobs, this isn’t porn after all.Besides, the more sex scenes there are the less screen time for real plot and character development.

    You think plot and character development can’t happen within the context of a sex scene?

    I just hope it doesn’t mean too much exposition, as that’s what it generally served a background for last season. And I don’t want that to become a cliche of this show so I hope they change it up a little. I mean I would hardly call what they did last year “porny” since those scenes generally weren’t all that sexy, with the exception of maybe Drogo and Dany’s first face-to face.

  31. A_S00
    Posted March 28, 2012 at 12:54 am | Permalink

    Winter Is Coming,

    Hm, I kind of found the opposite: The sexposition scenes didn’t especially bother me on first viewing (probably since, even though I’d read the books, I was actually getting something out of the “exposition” part of them, so they held my full attention better). But on rewatch, I found a few of them (Littlefinger brothel, Theon & Ros, Viserys about dragons) incredibly jarring and awkward. Not because of the sexual content, but because the idea that anybody would say those things in those contexts was totally laughable (especially getting turned on talking about dragon skulls…come on).

    To be fair, though, this happens with essentially any TV/movies/literature that I like: The more times I watch it, the more the little things I don’t like about it bother me. Same thing happened with some of the anvilicious villains and moralizing in Firefly, even though I loved the show.

  32. Steven Swanson
    Posted March 28, 2012 at 12:55 am | Permalink

    JamesL:
    Heres the interview http://www.heyuguys.co.uk/2012/03/09/game-of-thrones-interview-writers-david-benioff-and-d-b-weiss/
    “On the sex and violence
    I don’t know – would more people be watching or would less people be watching if the sex quotient changed. We prefer explicit sex to implicit sex! We do what we feel the story merits, what we feel is necessary and maybe this is naive but I assume that everyone in the world has an internet connection and we’re not showing anything people haven’t seen far more of, far more explicitly than we would ever want to show. I’m, in a way, surprised that the violence doesn’t register more than the sex because violence is objectively worse than sex! HBO have never made us cut a scene, there were a couple of times…in season two when they said ‘Really…?’ and we said ‘Yeah, really!’.”

    I don’t think it’s clear that they were referring specifically to sex considering it follows the sentence with them bringing up violence. There was speculation about this (on here, I think) and people were not limiting it to sex scenes. One scene I think might have given HBO pause was (potential season 2 spoiler)the rumored on-screen killing of baby Barra.

  33. Solar
    Posted March 28, 2012 at 12:58 am | Permalink

    Hey Winter,

    I just saw the first episode of Season 2. HBO had a special screening in Denver, CO. Would you be interested in reading a short summary of the episode? Spoiler…it was amazing.

  34. Winter Is Coming
    Posted March 28, 2012 at 12:59 am | Permalink

    Solar, sure, you can post it here, just put any details behind spoiler tags. Thanks!

  35. Steven Swanson
    Posted March 28, 2012 at 12:59 am | Permalink

    HERP-DERP:
    Tim Goodman of The Hollywood Reporter says:

    LOL wait till they adapt book 4!! if they also extend season 3 into 2 whole seasons the pace would become really slow as well.

    I think it won’t be as slow as you think. There’s plenty of juicy material they’re having to leave out due to time constraints, and I think a stretched out book 3 and an intelligently-edited books 4 and 5 could be perfect.

  36. Solar
    Posted March 28, 2012 at 1:10 am | Permalink

    Thanks Winter! Hear goes nothing. I had the good fortune to see a special screening of The North Remembers tonight. HBO hosted a special event in Denver, CO and showed the first episode to anyone lucky enough to attend. For those of you who want to know, this is a summary of said episode. Obviously spoilers are coming for those who don’t want to know what happens (I’m looking at you Brotherhood without Previews).

    Alright, sit back and open some Dornish wine because we’re going to be here for awhile. I just got home so my emotions are high and I’ll try and remember everything I can. Fist off, wow..just wow. They have really stepped up the cinematography for this season. The sense of scale has definitely increased this season. I really felt like I was watching a big budget movie. Anyways, the episode starts off with a scene we have seen several times in previews, and that is the Hound fighting an unknown knight on top of a battlement. It is King Joffrey’s nameday and in place of the jousting tournament we have several knights squaring off in one on one combat. The Hound dismisses his foe and next up is Ser Dontas. He comes bumbling in drunk and half armored. Joffrey being so kind(and seeing that he is drunk) offers him a drink from his own barrel. He then has Ser Meryn and other kingsguard members hold him down and poor the wine down his throat. Sansa intervenes and says”it is bad luck to kill someone on your nameday”. Joffrey decides to let him live and be his fool instead. Now enter Tryion with Bronn and several mountain men. I don’t remember what him and Joffrey say but Tyrion soon leaves to the small council meeting.

    In the meeting a white raven has arrived and Maester Pycelle says it is from the Citadel and means the long summer has come to an end. Littlefinger says there is only enough wheat to last 5 years and any winter longer than that and they will be in trouble. Tyrion soon enters and lets everyone know he is acting Hand of the King in place of his father. He has some pretty hilarious lines with Cersei who is outraged that he is now the acting Hand.

    Jump to Winterfell and we have Bran and Measter Luwin listening to various lords and the problems they are having. I think one lord needed some builders to help maintain his keep. Now for the good part. Bran has his first wolf dream! We see through the eyes of Summer and he is running through the godswood. The dream ends when Summer looks into the pool of water and sees his reflection(he is big, brown, and awesome looking). Bran immediately wakes up and goes for a stroll on Hodor’s back in the godswood with Osha. Bran looks up and sees the comet and believes it is a sign of victory for Robb. Osha says it can mean only one thing…dragons. The camera zooms up to the comet…

    …as it zooms down we see Dany looking up at the comet and trying to feed Drogon some meat. She says that all she knows of dragons is they are supposed to eat meat, but Drogon won’t touch it. Things are pretty bad for her and what few followers she has left. Her horse (Silver I think it’s called?) suddenly falls and dies. Dany commands her three blood riders to ride out East, Northeast, and Southeast in search of food, water, or shealter. The scene ends with her looking up at the comet…

    …as the camera zooms back down from the comet we see a nice aerial view of the Haunted Forrest and the mountains further North. The Night’s Watch has arrived at Crasters keep. Dolorous Ed tells Jon, Grenn, and Sam that Craster keeps his daughters for wives and Jon asks”what does he do with his sons?”. Enter Craster, the Old Bear, and several other Night’s Watch members talking about Wildlings. We find out entire villages have been abandoned and Mance Rayder is massing an army. Gilly poors Craster some wine and says something about life north of the wall. She does appear very shy and timid.

    And now for the true king…Stannis. We arrive at the beach of Dragonstone with Melisandre burning the Seven. She gives a short story of Lightbringer and says that Stannis is the warrior to wield it. Maester Cressen tells Davos that she will lead Stannis into a war he cannot win, but Davos says Stannis is our lord and we must follow him. Cut to Stannis, Davos, his son (Mathos I think?), Melisandre, Cressen, and various other lords sitting around the painted table of Westeros (and it looks amazing!). Stannis is writing his infamous letter that Joffrey was born of incest and he is the true king. Cressen slips some poison in his drink and offers a toast to Melisandre. They both drink from the same glass and Cressen’s nose starts to bleed. He soon falls over dead and Melisandre has a faint smile with the ruby around her throat glowing ever brightly.

    Now cut to Robb’s camp at night. It’s very large and impressive with several tents and watch towers constructed. Robb is talking to Jaime in his wooden prison. Jaime asks why he’s being dragged around instead of prisoner in some castle and Robb says he is keeping him close in case Tywin tries to bribe the bannerman that Robb would trust to guard Jaime. Stannis’s letter has reached Robb and he mentions it to Jaime who of course denies it. Half way into the conversation we hear growling and Jaime looks out his cage with fear. Enter Greywind. The combination of CGI and real fur/dog(or whatever they did) looks amazing! Greywind is totally badass looking. Anyways, Robb ends the conversation with his line “it’s better than three defeats” and walks away. Greywind approaches Jaime and snaps at his face, turns, and walks away with Robb.

    Robb is now in his tent giving his demands to Alton Lannister. He says his sisters must be returned, the bones of his father must be returned, and the Joffrey must renounce all dominion of the North. Alton is sent on his way and Theon tells Robb the Lannisters will reject his offer. Robb agrees and says that was the best he could stomach(or something like that) and Theon says the only way to defeat the Lannisters is to take Kings Landing. Theon asks to return to his father Balon Greyjoy and ask for help. In order to take the capital he says you will need ships and his father has a massive fleet. Theon also says that Ned Stark raised him as an honorable man and together they can defeat the Lannisters (oh…Theon).

    Robb is talking to his mother who disapproves of sending Theon away. She says that Balon cannot be trusted. She also asks to return home Winterfell, but Robb says he is sending Rodrick home instead and she is to go South to treat with Renly who has assembled an army of 100 thousand men. Catelyn is against going but Robb says an alliance with Renly would tip the scale in their favor and the Lannisters would be forced to ransom back his sisters. Catelyn agrees to head out at first light.

    And what episode would be complete without some nudity? Ros is apparently in charge of one of Littlefinger’s brothels and is giving out assignments with naked women walking around (it’s a brothel after all). Janos Slynt and the city watch walk in and seize Robert’s bastard (the whore who had the baby) and slit his throat. Then there are several scenes of various city watch members killing all of Robert’s bastards in the city. Its a pretty brutal serious of shots (dead babies being carried, kids being drowned, etc.). It ends with Janos torturing the blacksmith who says that Gendry was sent to the Wall. Janos asks how will they recognize him and the blacksmith answered “he is carrying a bull helmet”.

    The final scene of the episode is Arya and Gendry riding in the back of a wagon with Genry holding onto his bull helmet.

    So…yeah..damn good episode. I know I left some scenes out but overall that’s the jist of what happens. Also, Cersei is definitely coming out of her shell and she is showing the batshit/power hungry side we all know and love. And Peter Dinklage continues to be just amazing as Tyrion. His lines and facial expressions were spot on. If you guys have any questions feel free and I’ll answer them the best I can.

  37. Arthur
    Posted March 28, 2012 at 1:26 am | Permalink

    Solar,

    Wow, awesome job at writing that review!

    So far every fan review is the same. They all say everything is top notch quality. All the CGI is said to look badass. I guess we have one epic season coming our way. One that, overall, will make all of us gasp and cry for more.

    Greywind, Ghost, Summer, Shaggydog, Nymeria… Can’t wait to see you guys come to life.

    Thanks so much for that review!

  38. sjwenings
    Posted March 28, 2012 at 1:36 am | Permalink

    Winter Is Coming: Re-watching season one now and I find that the “sexposition” complaints are way overblown. The fact is, due to the nature of the show, there needs to be a lot of expository scenes and the writers try to use a variety of methods of imparting that info to the viewers. Sometimes it is couched in violence (the Sandor backstory, Robert and Kingsguard talking about first kills), sometimes it is in the form of a lesson (Bran learning about the houses, Sansa reciting history to her septa), and sometimes it is done in some verbal sparring (Tyrion smacking down Theon, Ned and Jaime trade barbs in the throne room). Yet for some reason all people want to focus on are the sex/nudity scenes… of which there are maybe 3 or 4… in a 10 hour show.

    I’d thumb this up if I could. Fact is, some people are just really sex-fixated. But in the sense that they get easily uncomfortable. I see the same people here just endlessly talking, thread after thread after thread about how problematic the scenes were for them

  39. Eric Niewohner
    Posted March 28, 2012 at 1:58 am | Permalink

    Hello all I am back again and ready to post now that Season 2 is almost upon us. Very exctied about the new reviews coming out and I would not be surprised to see the ratings double over last year. I manage a Barnes & Noble and the Martin books have been picking up in sales again and the DVD did really, really well. So there should be some good ratings growth right from the start.

    Very excited that we are just a few days away. That reminds me I need to call the cable company tomorrow and get HBO hooked back up again, lol.

  40. KG
    Posted March 28, 2012 at 2:34 am | Permalink

    Woot got HBO hooked up today. Even a broke metro Detroiter can manage premium cable for a couple of months when GoT is on!!!

  41. Tyrion Sedai
    Posted March 28, 2012 at 2:59 am | Permalink

    I hope they tone down the gratuitous wine-drinking in the second season. I’m no teetotaler but I don’t see why we have to be saddled with all that wine-drinking. It comes across as condescending, as if I can’t pay attention to people talking unless there’s wine-drinking in the background. So hopefully they will cut way down on the awkward winesposition.

  42. Jeda
    Posted March 28, 2012 at 3:03 am | Permalink

    Eric Niewohner,

    Has it been a year already? Welcome back!

  43. Middlefinger
    Posted March 28, 2012 at 3:36 am | Permalink

    sjwenings: I’d thumb this up if I could. Fact is, some people are just really sex-fixated. But in the sense that they get easily uncomfortable. I see the same people here just endlessly talking, thread after thread after thread about how problematic the scenes were for them

    There is just no excuse for that unspeakable Littefinger scene. It sucked ass (heh..) on every level. It is the epitome of akward. If it wasn’t for the fact that Lf confides in a hooker, and a NORTHERN one at that, I might be willing to overlook the complete and utter cheezy akwardness of it. My hatred for that sceene will NEVER die. I will nerdrage over it every chance I get. The north remembers!

  44. Jordan Healey
    Posted March 28, 2012 at 3:44 am | Permalink

    “More glowing reviews? What else is new. But seriously, if you aren’t totally hyped for season two by now, you may want to check your pulse.”

    The Westeros.org review has me a bit worried. That’s the review I’d trust the most.

  45. kindly man
    Posted March 28, 2012 at 3:56 am | Permalink

    Arthur,

    i miss lady….:(

  46. KINGSLAYER
    Posted March 28, 2012 at 4:18 am | Permalink

    Jordan Healey: “More glowing reviews? What else is new. But seriously, if you aren’t totally hyped for season two by now, you may want to check your pulse.”The Westeros.org review has me a bit worried. That’s the review I’d trust the most.

    Really? The Westeros.org review made me even more pumped for this season.

  47. kindly man
    Posted March 28, 2012 at 4:20 am | Permalink

    Solar,

    thnx solar, that was amazing review

  48. HERP-DERP
    Posted March 28, 2012 at 4:46 am | Permalink

    KINGSLAYER,

    Westeros.org’s review mentioned more negatives than positives for the new season.. which is a bit disappointing IMO.. Didn’t read the whole thing though as there are many spoilers..

  49. KINGSLAYER
    Posted March 28, 2012 at 4:50 am | Permalink

    HERP-DERP,

    Yeah, I guess they did but the review still got me really excited for this season. I’m actually looking forward to seeing those scenes that they didn’t like and then deciding for myself whether they were good or not.

  50. Jordan Healey
    Posted March 28, 2012 at 4:59 am | Permalink

    KINGSLAYER,

    Yes.

    From the bit that begins with “These episodes also mark the introduction of several new characters on Dragonstone, on Pyke, and in Qarth.” to the bit that ends with “Clumsy and Heavy-Handed”, Ran lists many issues that have me deeply concerned, as they haven’t corrected any of the issues I had with the first season, rather it seems like it’s getting worse.

    I don’t really want to start a flame war by quoting from the interview, because I know that with the season just about to start, the level of fanboyism will be skyrocketing and I guess there is really no purpose.

    I was really giddy about the first season, but after watching it over a few times and leading up to what I’ve read about the second season. I’m still keen to watch the show, but I fear that despite the fact that it’s just good to see the series getting made half-decently I do not like the direction David and Dan are going, I don’t like their writing and the majority of the changes they make are facepalm worthy.

    Don’t listen to me though, I’m just one of those pompous people who views the show through the prism of the books and gasps at the change of someone’s hair color. The show wasn’t aimed at someone like me, but it’s okay because we get dragon exposition during sex scenes (now I’m just trolling).

  51. Magnus
    Posted March 28, 2012 at 5:06 am | Permalink

    HERP-DERP,

    It mentioned a few storytelling choices that they did not fully agree with, but did not detract too much from the experience. Then they said that everything else is freaking fantastically superawsome. Saying that they mentioned as many negatives as positives does not paint a fair picture.

  52. Jordan Healey
    Posted March 28, 2012 at 5:12 am | Permalink

    I’d say that they’re putting the most positive outlook as they possibly can on the tone of the review without being untruthful. Because if they wrote a negative review then they may not be included in the pre-release media stuff next time or whatever.

  53. Damryn of Dorne
    Posted March 28, 2012 at 5:21 am | Permalink

    Im joining the BwP this season, although I’ve read all the books :)

  54. Tywin's Bastard
    Posted March 28, 2012 at 5:53 am | Permalink

    I see we’re back to the old sex scene discussion. As usual I can never take anyone completely seriously that doesn’t complain at least as much about the violence as the sex. Sex is natural so there shouldn’t be anything awkward about it. Violence on the other hand…

    I personally only have problems with scenes that don’t even try to add something. That’s not a problem the show has though.

    Magnus:
    HERP-DERP,

    It mentioned a few storytelling choices that they did not fully agree with, but did not detract too much from the experience. Then they said that everything else is freaking fantastically superawsome. Saying that they mentioned as many negatives as positives does not paint a fair picture.

    I haven’t read it yet because it seems spoilery, but if someone that likes the show goes into detail about the negatives and then don’t give the positives more room, then that person has made bad review, structure-wise.

    I don’t have any problems with anyone disliking the show but I do have a problem with people focusing overly much on the negatives, something that’s unfortunately a common character traits among fans like us. Definitely not the kind of people I would like to surround myself with.

  55. Magnus
    Posted March 28, 2012 at 6:22 am | Permalink

    Tywin’s Bastard,

    I don’t think it was a bad review. Only 4-5 out of 12 paragraphs are spent criticizing parts of the storytelling and characterization. The rest are spent on saying how great everything else is and summarizing. Those 4-5 paragraphs are also not entirely negative. They do for instance say how performance by the actors are brilliant and how many of the changes made by the writers work very well. They also use one paragraph on a scene they did not like just as an example to illustrate what they did not like (personally I don’t think that scene sounds that bad). I think the review is pretty balanced.

  56. Captain P
    Posted March 28, 2012 at 6:44 am | Permalink

    Hey Solar,

    Thanks for your awesome review.

    Just a quick question… how does Dragonstone look in the Opening Credits? Do we see the Baratheon sigil there? Any other new places in the Opening Credits yet besides Dragonstone?

  57. Claudiu Gherganu
    Posted March 28, 2012 at 6:45 am | Permalink

    I really do not give a shit about what the people of Westeros say about the show . They can’t handle the fact that it is an adaptation and they bitch about every minor thing in the show like for example the fact that Xaro is black , I mean who really gives a fuck except diehard fanboys ?

  58. Tywin's Bastard
    Posted March 28, 2012 at 6:49 am | Permalink

    Magnus,

    Ok, sounds good then. As said I haven’t read it yet so I was only discussing around what little I’ve heard, rather than directly criticizing it.

  59. JamesL
    Posted March 28, 2012 at 6:52 am | Permalink

    There is no review I can care less about than Westeros.orgs opinion. Unless your one of those purist nerds who think GRRM is god and the books are scripture than don’t worry that they are not as enthusiastic about this seasons episodes as they were last season. The reason they aren’t quite as enthusiastic is not because there has actually been a drop in quality but because the show isn’t a direct translation of the book this season so to them that automatically means a drop in quality. They didn’t even want the show to follow Robbs story this season because its not the way GRRM wrote the story. Almost all the reviews and critics on twitter say these early episodes are more exciting and thrilling than the early episodes of season 1 but that doesn’t matter to Elio and Linda because the show isn’t as loyal to the book so of course they say the episodes are not as good as season 1 even though every other review is to the contrary.

  60. Ron Smith
    Posted March 28, 2012 at 7:01 am | Permalink

    So when does Thrones become HBO’S biggest property?

    And what is now? True Blood?

    Where are those numbers/ratings nerds? I need a breakdown. STAT!

  61. Macha
    Posted March 28, 2012 at 7:02 am | Permalink

    Solar,

    Thanks for the detailed review, now I’m even more hyped (if possible). Theon and Robb’s scene together stands out for me, as I can’t wait to see that storyline unfold. Bring on the heartbreak!

    A_S00:

    Not because of the sexual content, but because the idea that anybody would say those things in those contexts was totally laughable (especially getting turned on talking about dragon skulls…come on).

    The idea seems laughable to you because you’re looking at the object itself and not at its symbolism. It’s not about dragon skulls or even dragons per se, it’s about what these dragons represent. For Viserys, who wants nothing else than to conquer the throne, it’s about power and dominance; for Doreah, who’s a slave, it’s about freedom and the ability to rule over your own fate.

  62. Dennai
    Posted March 28, 2012 at 7:03 am | Permalink

    People seems to have very short memory. Westeros.org’s review of the first season was quite lukewarm also. They gave it a B+.

    Their issues are clear. They are, Linda in particular, purists. They love the books and the world Martin has created and feel very strongly to what they perceive as deviations of the written material. Linda herself has said, and I quote: “I would much rather have 2 or 3 really faithful seasons than 6 or more so-so faithful seasons.” I reckon not too many here in WIC would put their signature under this statement.

    So, we have to see their review in the proper perspective. I was really worried when I read their 1 to 4 episodes of season 1 review, then watching the series myself, my fears were put to rest. I’m perfectly able and willing to enjoy changes and departures from the original material if I think they work well on TV.

    I absolutely loved the Robert-Cersei heart-to-heart scene. They absolutely hated it. I think that illustrates well where Ran and Linda stand and it help you to figure out how much you will agree or disagree with their opinion of the upcoming season.

  63. Mike Chair
    Posted March 28, 2012 at 7:11 am | Permalink

    Arthur: Natalie Dormer is so hot, her nude scenes were filmed solo in an inclosed bomb-shelter to prevent the cast and crew from turning to cinders.

    Natalie Dormer is so hot she can burn a dragon.

    Natalie Dormer is so hot Varys’ ‘nads grew back.

    Natalie Dormer is so hot House Tyrell changed their words from “Growing Strong” to “Growing Long and Strong Because Natalie Dormer Who is Playing Margaery is SO EFFING HOT she turned Loras straight!”

  64. Pau Soriano
    Posted March 28, 2012 at 7:20 am | Permalink

    Hexonx:
    Well, if KU does well in the Final Four this may be one of my best weekends of all time! RCJH

    Gogo Jayhawks!!! I actually lived in Kansas in 1989-1990 and been a Jayhawk (and Chiefs! gogo Okoye!) fan since then..good luck this weekend!!

    PS: And Royals too even if I can’t for the live of me understand that sport!!…”Bo Knows” ;)

  65. RamsaySnow
    Posted March 28, 2012 at 7:22 am | Permalink

    Her saying “I would rather have 3 really faithful seasons, than 6 so-so faithful”, says it all, she would obviously rather have show cancelled than adequately changed. And when we’ll come to AFFC/ADWD some bigger changes will be needed to make it really viewable, and if someone would rather cancel the show than sort out the mess Martin made in the last two books, it says it all to me. Such review is useless as nipples on breastplate.

  66. Skipjack
    Posted March 28, 2012 at 8:04 am | Permalink

    These reviews are about the only hype I’m letting myself have until the premiere, and even then I just want the gist. Sorry Solar, I didn’t unspoil your review because I was afraid you’d be more detailed than the average critic. I’m jealous of you though.

    It’s funny that I’m still looking for affirmation that other people are going to love the second season. I already know I am, but I need to believe the show will get enough momentum to make the whole saga. Everything other consideration like purism just feels secondary to me, I expect David and Dan to make changes that protect the show.

  67. Hollyoak
    Posted March 28, 2012 at 8:10 am | Permalink

    I think people are forgetting that the books are full of sex and nudity. So what’s the big deal showing it in the show? I never had a problem with it. I think sometimes the way something is edited makes it feel gratuitous. Like in the first episode when Dany is about to step into the steaming water. They cut to a wide shot to see her backside. That felt unnecessary. But when her brother fondled her, although it was creepy and uncomfortable, that showed who he was as a character and it came straight from the book.

    As for the now famous scene that invented the word sexposition, I felt that was strange because it was filmed awkwardly. The two women were obviously so faking it, it didn’t come across as real, just a lot of orgasmic sounds while LF is gave his soliloquy.

    As for Renly/Loras, I wish they could have shown their relationship in a different way, left it a bit more mysterious. I think a passionate, unexpected kiss could have been so much more of surprise. But then again, that scene gave a lot of insight into who Renly is as a character and what his motivations are.

    So, overall, I have no real problem with sex scenes, as long as they are done in a tasteful way that serve the story.

  68. HERP-DERP
    Posted March 28, 2012 at 8:11 am | Permalink

    Mike Chair,

    Natalie dormer is hot!?! u cant be serious! she looks like a chipmunk! Ros is 10000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000 times hotter!

  69. Jordan Healey
    Posted March 28, 2012 at 8:11 am | Permalink

    Dennai,

    And yet I’m pretty sure they enjoyed the one with Viserys trying to steal the eggs and several others of the new scenes.

    There were some pretty retarded changes made to some of the characters in the first season. Not simply because they were different but because they were contradictory. Some of the main examples are as follows

    A. Catelyn’s motivations for wanting Ned to go to King’s Landing. This really weakened her character from a ‘strong woman’ to a ‘typical mother’. Also noted that it sort of doesn’t fit in with the rest of her storyline throughout the books :/

    B. Trying to humanize Cersei. They added the back story about her apparently having a child with Robert. However this weakens her relationship with Jaime in the show. The book storyline is much stronger where Cersei never forgives Robert for whispering Lyanna on their wedding night. The show’s version where she ‘gives it a chance’ just isn’t as strong.

    C. Daenerys and Drogo’s relationship, their attempt to “simplify” the relationship only made it more confusing and less believable. They book wedding night scene is waaay stronger than the show’s version. Okay they’re going with the stockholm syndrome approach, fair enough. But at least in the books it shows that Drogo already has it in him rather than learning it from Daenerys.

    They must seem to think that the audience is dumb. Petyr Baelish, one of the masters of subtle suddenly become Mr. State the Obvious I’m a Schemer. And all that

  70. negar
    Posted March 28, 2012 at 8:31 am | Permalink

    oh my god , more sex scenes?
    I can never watch this show with anyone.too awkward.and you actually have to watch it , they talk during the scenes!

  71. Vanderhook
    Posted March 28, 2012 at 8:38 am | Permalink

    Winter Is Coming: Re-watching season one now and I find that the “sexposition” complaints are way overblown. The fact is, due to the nature of the show, there needs to be a lot of expository scenes and the writers try to use a variety of methods of imparting that info to the viewers. Sometimes it is couched in violence (the Sandor backstory, Robert and Kingsguard talking about first kills), sometimes it is in the form of a lesson (Bran learning about the houses, Sansa reciting history to her septa), and sometimes it is done in some verbal sparring (Tyrion smacking down Theon, Ned and Jaime trade barbs in the throne room). Yet for some reason all people want to focus on are the sex/nudity scenes… of which there are maybe 3 or 4… in a 10 hour show.

    I couldn’t agree more. I personally thought the Littlefinger brother scene was awesome. Didn’t seem forced, and was completely in character for Littlefinger. I mean he DOES own a brothel, you really think showing a scene with him coaching his employees is that over the top? If anything, I found the Viserys bathtub scene to be the worst of the “sexposition” only because the idea of talking about dragons while having sex is a bit weird in my opinion. All in all, people need to chill out and get used to the sexposition, because it seems like its here to stay.

  72. Jordan Healey
    Posted March 28, 2012 at 8:39 am | Permalink

    and also I forgot to add.

    Dennai,

    I think you’re over analyzing Linda’s preference of two really faithful seasons over 6 so-so faithful ones. I’m pretty sure she just means quality over quantity. Not “two seasons that are faithful to the books but the show gets cancelled due to bad ratings”

    an analogy I would use is

    I would much rather have the one good Firefly season that exists than two seasons that weren’t as good.

    I guess I’m also in the boat where I’d rather have two amazing seasons of game of thrones than an entire series that goes a bit off the rails and doesn’t completely satisfy me.

    Winter Is Coming:
    Re-watching season one now and I find that the “sexposition” complaints are way overblown. The fact is, due to the nature of the show, there needs to be a lot of expository scenes and the writers try to use a variety of methods of imparting that info to the viewers. Sometimes it is couched in violence (the Sandor backstory, Robert and Kingsguard talking about first kills), sometimes it is in the form of a lesson (Bran learning about the houses, Sansa reciting history to her septa), and sometimes it is done in some verbal sparring (Tyrion smacking down Theon, Ned and Jaime trade barbs in the throne room). Yet for some reason all people want to focus on are the sex/nudity scenes… of which there are maybe 3 or 4… in a 10 hour show.

    Most of the exposition scenes, including the sexposition ones were pretty terrible. Obvious, awkward and no subtlety etc.

    There were some good ones though, such as Jaime and Jory’s scene and Rakharo and Ser Jorah discussing weapons and armor.

  73. TJ
    Posted March 28, 2012 at 8:42 am | Permalink

    Tywin’s Bastard,

    As usual I can never take anyone completely seriously that doesn’t complain at least as much about the violence as the sex. Sex is natural so there shouldn’t be anything awkward about it. Violence on the other hand…

    I think statements like this are sort of an easy way out.

    Graphic violence is just that – graphic violence, and it adds the the realism surrounding the main aspect of the show, namely the struggle for power/survival. You can’t do this show without the suspenseful battles or violence because then it just becomes Downtown Abbey.

    We have another word for graphic sex, pornography. Some of the sex scenes, were fine/needed. But some, especially the ridiculous (and all around stupid) Littlefinger scene, were soft-core porn, and that has no place in what otherwise is a sophisticated TV show. Further, almost every single sex scene can be taken out of the show without harming the overall narrative, which only shows how non-vital they are to the series.

  74. Vanderhook
    Posted March 28, 2012 at 8:48 am | Permalink

    Jordan Healey: Dennai, And yet I’m pretty sure they enjoyed the one with Viserys trying to steal the eggs and several others of the new scenes. There were some pretty retarded changes made to some of the characters in the first season. Not simply because they were different but because they were contradictory. Some of the main examples are as followsA. Catelyn’s motivations for wanting Ned to go to King’s Landing. This really weakened her character from a ‘strong woman’ to a ‘typical mother’. Also noted that it sort of doesn’t fit in with the rest of her storyline throughout the books :/B. Trying to humanize Cersei. They added the back story about her apparently having a child with Robert. However this weakens her relationship with Jaime in the show. The book storyline is much stronger where Cersei never forgives Robert for whispering Lyanna on their wedding night. The show’s version where she ‘gives it a chance’ just isn’t as strong.C. Daenerys and Drogo’s relationship, their attempt to “simplify” the relationship only made it more confusing and less believable. They book wedding night scene is waaay stronger than the show’s version. Okay they’re going with the stockholm syndrome approach, fair enough. But at least in the books it shows that Drogo already has it in him rather than learning it from Daenerys.They must seem to think that the audience is dumb. Petyr Baelish, one of the masters of subtle suddenly become Mr. State the Obvious I’m a Schemer. And all that

    I understand your complaints about some of the changes, but in my opinion they are fairly minor and don’t change a whole lot in regards to the direction of the characters.

    When I was reading the books, Catelyn always came off as a “typical mother” character as well as a “strong woman”. I don’t think her wanting Ned to stay contradicts other storylines. Theres many times in ACOK and SOS where Catelyn plays up the “typical mother” role where she is blinded by her fear of losing her family.

    I *like* how they humanized Cersei. This makes her a much more believable character. In the books, she often came off as a cackling villian with no redeemable qualities.. it was hard to see how Jaime could have ever seen anything in her. Also, I firmly believe that the Catelyn/Cersei scene in regards to Cersei and Robert’s son was a lie by Cersei to have some sort of false bonding that would wase Catelyn’s suspicions of the Lannisters.

  75. Joshua Taylor
    Posted March 28, 2012 at 8:49 am | Permalink

    Dennai,

    I agree. I don’t understand why the books can’t be the books and the show can’t be the show. There were many Tolkien fans who felt the same way I am sure when Peter Jackson made his trilogy with similar deviations. Despite some great acting, directing and production design you simply can’t please the Purist. They have this idea in their head that books can be translated perfectly to the screen never mind that a film/TV series are developed in the political/social/ financial framework that exists because those factors should not interfere in the adaptation of the source material. Sadly we know this is not true. Companies like HBO do not take risks like Purist translation because that does not make money. Many of us are aware of this battle between integrity/faithfulness to the source material versus commerce. And the show is doing its best to walk that precarious path.
    Perhaps someday some billionaire will make the film Purists dream of, for now we have to settle for their best possible attempt.
    If Purists can accept these alterations than they might enjoy what’s preserved as opposed to what has been lost.

  76. Skipjack
    Posted March 28, 2012 at 8:51 am | Permalink

    Jordan Healey,

    I disagree with you on points B and C, I think the show improved on Martin’s writing there. Usually what happens both with the show and books is that with so many characters and perspectives many players could benefit from a little more time spent. Cersei is a human being and obviously cunning enough to have gotten to where she is. That Martin doesn’t let us into her head until much later and only in time to have her make some bone-headed mistakes that seem shockingly short sighted for someone who schemed so patiently to push Robert aside seems like it’s Martin who is treating us like we aren’t so bright.

    And for Daenerys and Drogo, I think they could have spent some time in between the wedding night and her attempt at seducing him, even just a scene explaining that while she’s terrified of him and the future, this is also her first chance to have a role that isn’t as her brother’s pawn and to have a group that is larger than any she’s had. But I do believe it made a lot more sense to treat Daenerys’ reaction to her deflowering more humanly. I think a bit more detail and care and time would have sold it more for everyone, and that’s true whether it’s the book or the show.

    I’m afraid I don’t actually understand your point A, so I’ll just wrap up by saying I believe sometimes the show writing will be better when it addresses stuff only lightly handled in the books, and more often the book will be better because of the same reason.

  77. Mike Chair
    Posted March 28, 2012 at 9:01 am | Permalink

    HERP-DERP: Mike Chair,

    Natalie dormer is hot!?! u cant be serious! she looks like a chipmunk!

    Natalie Dormer is so hot that if she were a chipmunk (1) she’d look like this and (2) Alvin, Simon and Theodore would sing like Barry White — like this.

  78. Jordan Healey
    Posted March 28, 2012 at 9:01 am | Permalink

    Vanderhook,

    Lena Heady stated in an interview that it wasn’t.

    Their attempt at humanizing Cersei doesn’t do anything, I think it was aimed at non-book readers (en masse), but the attempt is completely undone by her actions in episode 2 and 7, hahah.

    Cersei had a soft side that she reserved for Jaime. Tyrion got a glimpse of it in the second book, but we largely do not see it, it is only spoken of. We come to their points of view when they start to break apart

    I wanted to see more of the fiery side of Cersei, but Lena played her very restrained (might be going for a slow burn). I thought that was a bit of a shame, but oh well … we’ll see how it goes in future seasons.

  79. Arrogant Bastard
    Posted March 28, 2012 at 9:10 am | Permalink

    Vanderhook:

    I *like* how they humanized Cersei. This makes her a much more believable character. In the books, she often came off as a cackling villian with no redeemable qualities.. it was hard to see how Jaime could have ever seen anything in her. Also, I firmly believe that the Catelyn/Cersei scene in regards to Cersei and Robert’s son was a lie by Cersei to have some sort of false bonding that would wase Catelyn’s suspicions of the Lannisters.

    I don’t think Cersei was lying to Catelyn, as she references the lost son to Robert in their talk in episode five, and he doesn’t contradict her. I didn’t really care for the attempt at humanizing Cersei; not all characters need to be complex and conflicted.

  80. Jordan Healey
    Posted March 28, 2012 at 9:14 am | Permalink

    Skipjack:
    Jordan Healey,

    I disagree with you on points B and C, I think the show improved on Martin’s writing there.Usually what happens both with the show and books is that with so many characters and perspectives many players could benefit from a little more time spent.Cersei is a human being and obviously cunning enough to have gotten to where she is.That Martin doesn’t let us into her head until much later and only in time to have her make some bone-headed mistakes that seem shockingly short sighted for someone who schemed so patiently to push Robert aside seems like it’s Martin who is treating us like we aren’t so bright.

    I’m not George R R Martin or anything. But I’m pretty sure the point is that she lost her shit after Joffrey died …

    And for Daenerys and Drogo, I think they could have spent some time in between the wedding night and her attempt at seducing him, even just a scene explaining that while she’s terrified of him and the future, this is also her first chance to have a role that isn’t as her brother’s pawn and to have a group that is larger than any she’s had. But I do believe it made a lot more sense to treat Daenerys’ reaction to her deflowering more humanly. I think a bit more detail and care and time would have sold it more for everyone, and that’s true whether it’s the book or the show.

    What are you saying here, that you didn’t like the wedding night chapter from the book.

    I thought the experience of reading the chapter thinking she was going to have an awful wedding night and getting a typical GRRM style opposite was really cool. I think it would have been really cool in the show too, especially if shot correctly.

    The show’s streamlined version might be more realistic from a psychological perspective, but I didn’t think it had the same impact at all.

    I do agree that it is a lightly touched on subject in both the book and show.

  81. Genevosey
    Posted March 28, 2012 at 9:16 am | Permalink

    Just like to point out i am getting married on Saturday……and I might be a little more hyped for Season 2 just sayin ahahahha

  82. James
    Posted March 28, 2012 at 9:17 am | Permalink

    The adaptation can nonetheless improve upon the original in certain ways by deviating from the material. Personally, while a certain scene in a Storm of Swords was shocking, I did feel that the absence of the associated character for large parts of the book did not allow for the level of emotional connection that the reader may feel for – say, Jon Snow or Tyrion. I’m pretty sure that this departure from the book – which will follow the character’s progression much more closely – will allow for a much larger emotional payoff. And that cannot be a bad thing.

  83. tati
    Posted March 28, 2012 at 9:33 am | Permalink

    Filming a book never really turns out as one expects, does it? As you read, you start to create images of the characters, clothing, settings, etc. When you see it on screen, is it ever really the way you imagined it? Probably not. Will the film’s creators imagination suffice, in place of your own? Usually, if it’s a terrific production to start with. I imagined the costuming to be SO much more elaborate than we are seeing, especially when it comes to the display of wealth, house colors/sigils, etc. I’m guessing that it saves them a lot of money to not copy the book as closely on these types of things, and I can live with the watered down versions.

    I can appreciate the purists wanting to see the exact book on screen, but I also am happy with the liberties and changes that the show’s creators implemented. (Wasn’t The Watchmen translated to screen, almost literally, and it turned out that people didn’t receive it as well as was expected?)

    Can’t wait til Sunday but, I’m already mourning the end of the season, since we will then wait yet another year for more.

  84. Oi!
    Posted March 28, 2012 at 9:40 am | Permalink

    Considering what garbage ADWD is and that AFFC isn’t that much better i really hope that they will do some more drastic story changes.

  85. Sansa's Lemoncakes
    Posted March 28, 2012 at 9:44 am | Permalink

    I honestly don’t think the TV portrayal of Cersei is all that different from the books. She’s already humanised to an extent, particularly when it comes to her marriage with Robert and gender roles in general. The show and LH are drawing from what’s already there, albeit in later books. It’s one of the few instances where the show has expanded on the book narrative rather than simplified it and I appreciate that.

    Whether one likes this portrayal is obviously a matter of personal preference as we’ve seen, but I think this more fleshed-out Cersei works better in the TV show than the one-dimensional impulsive bitch of the early books. It will make her eventual character arc all the more powerful if she doesn’t start out as a fiery paranoiac.

  86. Macha
    Posted March 28, 2012 at 9:56 am | Permalink

    Cersei’s scene with Catelyn does more than adding a few layers to a character. It mentions the black haired boy that she lost, which had his father’s features, unlike her other children. Book readers might not see the purpose of these scenes, or might even find them condescending, but I think we should all keep in mind that non-book readers might actually need them to better grasp the story which, like it or not, can sometimes seem confusing, precisely because of its richness.
    Yes, television is a lot less subtle. It’s a different medium, try judging it as such.

    As for the notion of a ‘strong woman’ and ‘a typical mother’ being somehow mutually exclusive to some…yes, please, tell me all about it, it’ll make such a fascinating read.

    Also, on the topic of fascinating reads
    Arrogant Bastard,

    . I didn’t really care for the attempt at humanizing Cersei; not all characters need to be complex and conflicted.

    You’re right, one-dimensional characters are so easy to hate, why change it?
    Funny, I always thought that one of the reasons we’re all here is precisely because GRRM’s characters are not so easily labeled. If the show plans to go even further with that complexity, then that’s a decision I stand by 100%.

  87. Ed
    Posted March 28, 2012 at 9:58 am | Permalink

    I agree… Bring on the boobs!

    NousWanderer:
    I’m glad D&D are sticking to their [unintentionally phallic, metaphorical] guns with regard to sexual content in season 2. There’s no reason for them to hold back. It all worked for me, and I remain convinced that the lion’s share of the howling came from a vocal minority that routinely misrepresented the actual genital to jerkin ratio.

  88. Rufio
    Posted March 28, 2012 at 10:00 am | Permalink
  89. qwerty
    Posted March 28, 2012 at 10:13 am | Permalink

    HUGE thanks for the recap Solar, this is exactly what I needed at this point.

    I stopped taking Westeros.org’s review seriously when they dedicated an entire paragraph to complaining about how the Cressen (CRESSEN!!!) character was shortchanged in the premiere. I cannot think of a more disposable character. In the series, to the extent that he would exist at all (I might have axed him altogether), his only purpose would be to show the power of Mel. Seems like like D&B agree.

    I really like the closing scenes of the episode: the purge of Robert’s bastards. I had a tiny hope that we might see a montage like that in last season’s finale, but this is better. It’s a pet scene of mine, so I am grateful that they went out of their way to film it (could have been dealt with thru dialog).

  90. Arthur
    Posted March 28, 2012 at 10:15 am | Permalink

    HERP-DERP,
    Mike Chair,

    Natalie Dormer is so hot, instead of going south geese migrate towards her.

    Natalie Dormer is so hot, if she were to stand completely still plat-life would start growing towards her direction.

    Natalie Dormer is so hot, she has to wear a fire resistant hairpiece and eyebrow set.

  91. Langkard
    Posted March 28, 2012 at 10:35 am | Permalink

    Amazingly good reviews. Well, not amazing to us, I suppose. Expected, perhaps; but when Tim Goodman says things like, “a thrilling return to brilliance” it really does make me happy.

  92. HERP-DERP
    Posted March 28, 2012 at 10:41 am | Permalink

    Arthur,

    Who is going south, the geese or Natalie Dormer? :)

  93. Mike Chair
    Posted March 28, 2012 at 10:52 am | Permalink

    Solar,

    Being a card carrying member and co-founder of the BwP, I must not read your review at this time.

    I hope you post a link back to it after the first episode airs so I could read it then.

    Sansa’s Lemoncakes: I honestly don’t think the TV portrayal of Cersei is all that different from the books…

    Yeah. She doesn’t become a POV character until AFFC so we were forced to see her through the eyes of others for 3 books. You probably would get the same humanizing effect if, instead of adapting the books for television, you were to rewrite them without the POV character format. I not saying one format is better than the other. It just seems that the necessary abandonment of the strict GRRM POV format for a TV adaptation has contributed to her early humanization. I that respect, taken the series as a whole, she is not that different. To the extent she seems different in AGoT vs. Season 1, how we see her is not as important with how we believe other characters see her. I think D&D accomplished that task very well.

  94. Solar
    Posted March 28, 2012 at 10:56 am | Permalink

    Dragonstone is the only new location shown in the opening credits. I thing the stag is shown as the sigil but I don’t remember for sure.

  95. HERP-DERP
    Posted March 28, 2012 at 10:57 am | Permalink

    Macha,

    Cersei’s scene with Catelyn does more than adding a few layers to a character. It mentions the black haired boy that she lost, which had his father’s features, unlike her other children. Book readers might not see the purpose of these scenes, or might even find them condescending, but I think we should all keep in mind that non-book readers might actually need them to better grasp the story which, like it or not, can sometimes seem confusing, precisely because of its richness.

    I disagree. As someone who has seen the show before reading the books, I found, and still find, this scene really confusing. My current understanding of the scene is that Cersei killed her first-born because she realized he is Robert’s, and she did not want any children from him as she has hated him from the day they were married [when he crawled on top of her stinking of wine.. whispered Lyanna, you know the rest..].

    However; In a conversation with Ned Stark, Cersei later on claims that she had always “finished Robert off in other ways”. CONTRADICTION! How could she have given birth to a son of Roberts… when, as implied from the aforementioned quote, she had never let his semen reach her uterus!!! IT MAKES NO SENSE. That catelyn-cersei scene was unnecessary, and in my opinion, hurt the story arch in season 1; therefore people are correct to criticize it.

  96. Shinyteapot
    Posted March 28, 2012 at 11:01 am | Permalink

    Arrogant Bastard: I don’t think Cersei was lying to Catelyn, as she references the lost son to Robert in their talk in episode five, and he doesn’t contradict her. I didn’t really care for the attempt at humanizing Cersei; not all characters need to be complex and conflicted.

    Doesn’t mean she told the whole truth (possible, but not the only option)- I’m not convinced that baby died of a fever. Attempted abortion that didn’t work, but harmed the baby so he couldn’t survive, or even infanticide?

    Jordan Healey: I thought the experience of reading the chapter thinking she was going to have an awful wedding night and getting a typical GRRM style opposite was really cool. I think it would have been really cool in the show too, especially if shot correctly.

    The show’s streamlined version might be more realistic from a psychological perspective, but I didn’t think it had the same impact at all.

    I didn’t like the change because it made Drogo even more of a stereotype. The show did so well with making most of the non-POV characters realistic and multifaceted people, yet took away the only thing that gave Drogo any depth. I liked that, in the book, the tough and imposing warlord at least tried to be gentle for Dany’s first time. He assumed yes once meant yes all the time- or didn’t realise or care that she was in pain- and had she tried to run away I doubt he’d have let her. But it showed him as willing to try, and that’s a big deal. Doesn’t justify the subsequent rapes, but means there’s more to him than just a big terrifying warrior. And made her falling for him more believable.

    He was always more plot device than person, despite Momoa’s excellent acting, and this just made that worse for me.

  97. OhDanyBoy
    Posted March 28, 2012 at 11:06 am | Permalink

    HERP-DERP:
    Macha,

    I disagree. As someone who has seen the show before reading the books, I found, and still find, this scene really confusing. My current understanding of the scene is that Cersei killed her first-born because she realized he is Robert’s, and she did not want any children from him as she has hated him from the day they were married [when he crawled on top of her stinking of wine.. whispered Lyanna, you know the rest..].

    However; In a conversation with Ned Stark, Cersei later on claims that she had always “finished Robert off in other ways”. CONTRADICTION! How could she have given birth to a son of Roberts…when, as implied from the aforementioned quote, she had never let his semen reach her uterus!!! IT MAKES NO SENSE. That catelyn-cersei scene was unnecessary, and in my opinion, hurt the story arch in season 1; therefore people are correct to criticize it.

    Well, you answer your own question. At least once they had sex – when he whispered Lyanna’s name. It is not outside the realm of possibility that Cersei got pregnant then.

  98. HERP-DERP
    Posted March 28, 2012 at 11:14 am | Permalink

    OhDanyBoy,

    Cersei also says, in the same convo, referring to that first time: “he [Robert] did what he did, what little he could do”, which I am assuming meant that he was unable to even sustain an erection…

    Also, I do not buy Cersei killing her own son. As cruel as she is, I cannot believe she would do something like that…

  99. OhDanyBoy
    Posted March 28, 2012 at 11:30 am | Permalink

    HERP-DERP,

    What little he could do sounds like he did enough, but for a very short time. Perhaps I’m wrong, but I think there is enough room for argument to say definitively that it is possible she got pregnant. I agree with the killing of the son – more likely it was a botched abortion or just dumb luck.

  100. Joshua Taylor
    Posted March 28, 2012 at 11:32 am | Permalink

    Rufio,

    This was the review I really needed to hear. This a good sign. Maureen Ryan is a fan but not a Purist. She is a television critic first and foremost. I respected her review last year because it was reluctantly critical. The fact that she is very impressed thus far is a great coup.

    Can’t wait for Sunday.

  101. HERP-DERP
    Posted March 28, 2012 at 11:37 am | Permalink

    OhDanyBoy,

    I’d call it poor writing.. she describes the son as having black hair, and Robert knew of the son.. so I doubt it was a “botched abortion”..

  102. Solar
    Posted March 28, 2012 at 11:41 am | Permalink

    Mike Chair,

    That’s cool man. Actually, it was more of a summary instead of a review.

  103. Pablo Jainaga
    Posted March 28, 2012 at 11:48 am | Permalink

    I’m not bothered at all with sex scenes, but they are actually the reason why I didn’t buy the DVDs as a gift for my parents and sisters. It’s not that they are fundamentalists or anything, but I just now they wouldn’t like it. Also I have a friend that didn’t introduce his parents to the show for the same reason, he didn’t feel at ease watching it with them in the living room…

    It’s an issue that has probably kept a handful of viewers away from GOT…

  104. Arthur
    Posted March 28, 2012 at 12:05 pm | Permalink

    As far as the sex scenes go, I really want to contribute to this conversation but I already put a lot of thought into a post already directed towards what you guys are discussing in response to Miss. So I will just copy and paste it here…

    I understand your criticism of women written into scenes baring breasts or being totally nude while the men, for the most part, are not as objectified nearly as much. I wouldn’t blame Game of Thrones for this. It is sadly what gets ratings. Although Game of Thrones may be a little guilty of this, “Play with her ass” scene comes to mind, it is not even a fraction as guilty as other competitor series, or even series on HBO itself. True Blood has basically turned into a supernatural soft porn flick. I was a fan, up until last season, because every episode revolved around Sookie getting naked and sleeping with someone. Game of Thrones is so much deeper then that. If a character gets naked, it is to show some characterization of the characters involved. Even that Littlefinger scene, though it was awkward and poorly done, was an attempt to let you know what Littlefinger’s angle in the plot was.

    To your point about why not have men get nude as much as females. I agree, I think it is about time that started to happen. One thing about Spartacus, as I am sure you already know, is they have their male actors walking around nude in all their glory all the time. Not just bun shots either, I am talking full frontal nudity. I seriously doubt Game of Thrones will have any of that but maybe they should. Why are the women the only ones who have to bare it all in front of the whole cast, crew and viewers? I totally agree that is unfair.

    I think America is the only post industrialized nation that sees the naked human body as shameful or forbidden. You go anywhere in Europe and watch TV, a commercial for soap will come on and a naked woman/man will be there scrubbing their body with soap. Nothing dirty about it. In America that would be “Rated R”.

    Also, you got to remember the Hollywood mentality. It is a place where if you want to make it as an actor/actress you better be beautiful. I mean there are cases where a few actor/actresses make it big and aren’t so good looking but those are few and far between. And sadly it is even more the case for the women. The young and beautiful get the parts and the older the actress gets the more her window of opportunity closes.

    I guess I am in agreement with you about the objectification of women. My only caveat to your view is Game of Thrones actually does this less then any other subscription series I have seen in a longtime. Furthermore, Game of Thrones has some really in depth female characters that totally rock and are completely bada$$. Remember, the Game of Thrones producers and writers still have to compete in this market. They didn’t set the rules or pick the viewers. Their number one priority is to keep the series going by getting ratings. So that means they have to conform to the popular demand of shooting scenes with beautiful women being naked. Maybe, to be fair, they can throw in some male frontal nudity to satisfy the female viewer from time to time. =)

    Oh yeah,

    Natalie Dormer is so hot, if you were to see her naked you’d suffer from spontaneous combustion.

  105. Tom Hilton
    Posted March 28, 2012 at 12:05 pm | Permalink

    It’s worth noting here that Tim Goodman’s S1 review was one of the first hugely positive reviews from a non-reader (and as far as I know, he still hasn’t read any of the books), and suggested the possibility that it would be popular way beyond GRRM fandom (which turned out to be the case). So it’s especially gratifying to see that he hasn’t lost the thread–and in fact is even more impressed with S2.

  106. OhDanyBoy
    Posted March 28, 2012 at 12:06 pm | Permalink

    HERP-DERP,

    By botched abortion, I meant taking something like tansy tea after the fact – so that even if the abortion attempt fails, perhaps the baby was born sickly and died. Of course, my main point is that it is perfectly possible for Cersei to have become pregnant with Robert’s child at some point. Why is it poor writing to leave some ambiguity – isn’t that basically 90% of GRRM’s writing, anyway?

  107. Arthur
    Posted March 28, 2012 at 12:40 pm | Permalink

    Natalie Dormer is so hot, when ever she steps on the set before she is due to shoot a scene this song mysteriously starts playing.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l64wudbLre4

  108. GrandmaFunk
    Posted March 28, 2012 at 12:50 pm | Permalink

    Cersei lies ALL THE TIME

    I don’t get why ppl make a big deal of that scene or her contradictory statements, somehow implying it’s bad writing or a plot-hole.

    in all likelihood, she was lying to both Ned AND Catelyn, that’s what she does.

  109. Steven Swanson
    Posted March 28, 2012 at 12:53 pm | Permalink

    Oi!:
    Considering what garbage ADWD is and that AFFC isn’t that much better i really hope that they will do some more drastic story changes.

    That’s your opinion, I thought they could have used a little trimming but I loved them, particularly when read simultaneously (alternating chapters from each). The worst thing about those books is the fact that GRRM split up the story.

  110. A_S00
    Posted March 28, 2012 at 12:53 pm | Permalink
  111. Superdeluxe
    Posted March 28, 2012 at 1:10 pm | Permalink

    Mo Ryan review at Huffpo:

    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/maureen-ryan/game-of-thrones-season-2-review_b_1382586.html

    Martin’s books take what could be generic ideas about morality and honor and make them compelling through very specific and individual dilemmas and concerns. There are wars, love affairs, surprising reversals and a persistent, powerful but unpredictable magic that continually asserts itself at key moments. Through it all, knotty questions are constantly asked of kings, servants, mercenaries and outcasts: At what point do you draw a line and assert that someone else’s actions are wrong? When do you risk everything you have to fight what you’ve decided is evil? How do you even decide what evil is? What ideas and relationships are worth fighting for, and when is discretion the better part of valor?

    There are no easy answers, but as it gains mastery in its depiction of Martin’s complex and compassionate saga, “Game of Thrones” is doing an increasingly satisfying job of exploring those questions.

  112. Hear Me Roar
    Posted March 28, 2012 at 1:19 pm | Permalink

    Ron Smith,

    Coming tomorrow ;)

  113. Macha
    Posted March 28, 2012 at 1:20 pm | Permalink

    HERP-DERP,

    I see where you’re coming from, but you missed my point. The way I saw it, in addition to humanizing Cersei, the importance of that scene lies with the fact that it contains the first certification (after you see Cersei and Jaime doing the naughty) that none of her living children are her husband’s – way before Ned makes that connection.
    One might argue, indeed, if that scene was necessary or not. I read the books before watching the show, however I’m as far as you can get from a book purist, plus I tend to not let my head get wrapped around every little detail (not saying that is a good or a bad thing, it’s just how I work). I simply assumed she got pregnant this one time. My boyfriend, who hasn’t read the books but otherwise pays a lot of attention to detail and picks everything up wasn’t confused by it either, he just assumed the same thing.
    I wasn’t saying people are wrong to criticize that scene, everyone can criticize everything. I was simply pointing out that the scene in question also had another role.

  114. Kroket
    Posted March 28, 2012 at 1:31 pm | Permalink

    Great reviews! I suppose it confirms what we all more or less already knew…

    Who came up with the Natalie Dormer game? I definitely agree with the statement!

    Natalie Dormer is so HOT no one will want to chop off her head for adultery

    Natalie Dormer is so HOT the Others have hired Varys to get her to become the first woman ever to join the Nights Watch

    Natalie Dormer is so HOT when she stands on top of the Wall it melts and the Others get through.

  115. Superdeluxe
    Posted March 28, 2012 at 1:33 pm | Permalink

    Love all the journalist folks on twitter talking about how much they loved first four episodes, even though there were changes your usual gang of Game of Thrones reviewers and recappers.

    (THR, Time, Daily Beast, LA Times)

  116. Pau Soriano
    Posted March 28, 2012 at 1:41 pm | Permalink

    Hear Me Roar:
    Ron Smith,

    Coming tomorrow ;)

    Awesome!!

    PS: Cersei’s curly black haired son was Jon. He had an affaire with Ned, that’s why Ned could not tell Robert who the real mother was. I still haven’t figured out if Cersei knows who Jon is ‘casue I just made up this theory though :P

  117. Arthur
    Posted March 28, 2012 at 1:53 pm | Permalink

    Kroket,

    Natalie Dormer is so hot, if Bran gazed upon her even he would feel something.

    Natalie Dormer is so hot, she doesn’t need to travel to Winterfell to see a Godswood.

    Natalie Dormer is so hot, she caused the fist of the first men.

  118. Michael Tschuertz
    Posted March 28, 2012 at 2:18 pm | Permalink

    Tyrion Sedai:
    I hope they tone down the gratuitous wine-drinking in the second season. I’m no teetotaler but I don’t see why we have to be saddled with all that wine-drinking. It comes across as condescending, as if I can’t pay attention to people talking unless there’s wine-drinking in the background. So hopefully they will cut way down on the awkward winesposition.

    this is a good one!

  119. NousWanderer
    Posted March 28, 2012 at 2:29 pm | Permalink

    “I have a real problem with the objectification of women in shows like this. I prefer my women incorporeal and metaphysically ambiguous. All of this empirical structure is really distasteful. Fewer objects, more abstraction please.”

  120. Tywin's Bastard
    Posted March 28, 2012 at 3:12 pm | Permalink

    TJ:
    Tywin’s Bastard,

    I think statements like this are sort of an easy way out.

    Graphic violence is just that – graphic violence, and it adds the the realism surrounding the main aspect of the show, namely the struggle for power/survival. You can’t do this show without the suspenseful battles or violence because then it just becomes Downtown Abbey.

    We have another word for graphic sex,pornography. Some of the sex scenes, were fine/needed. But some, especially the ridiculous (and all around stupid) Littlefinger scene, weresoft-core porn, and that has no place in what otherwise is a sophisticated TV show. Further, almost every single sex scene can be taken out of the show without harming the overall narrative, which only shows how non-vital they are to the series.

    Just because something has a name doesn’t make it an argument. Would you think of the show differently if there was another name for violence when it’s on film? No, it’s completely pointless semantics and the core of the matter is still that people are uncomfortable with sex and not with violence. I don’t get very aroused by sex on TV so I don’t see it as a big deal.

    Saying that graphic sex has no place in a sophisticated show but that graphic violence has is a double standard in my view, and a bad one at that as it sets a very bad example. Sex should be embraced more than violence in our society in my opinion. I’ve yet to hear a good argument for why it’s worse to show sex than violence.

    If you just take out the sex scenes and don’t replace them you’ll lose a lot of information because there’s probably not a single sex scene that isn’t actually about something else.

  121. Thiago Slash
    Posted March 28, 2012 at 3:28 pm | Permalink

    nice reviews.
    great to see GoT on the spotlight ^^

  122. Joshua Taylor
    Posted March 28, 2012 at 4:07 pm | Permalink

    Pau Soriano,

    Have you been reading the TWOP unspoiled speculation forums? Because many of the posters believe that Cersei is Jon’s mother!

    But R+L= J is starting to get mentioned…

  123. Tywin's Bastard
    Posted March 28, 2012 at 4:42 pm | Permalink

    Jordan Healey:
    B. Trying to humanize Cersei.They added the back story about her apparently having a child with Robert. However this weakens her relationship with Jaime in the show. The book storyline is much stronger where Cersei never forgives Robert for whispering Lyanna on their wedding night. The show’s version where she ‘gives it a chance’ just isn’t as strong.

    It’s the case in the books as well that Cersei wasn’t always set on being with Jaime. On top of actually wanting to marry Robert, before she got to know him, she wanted Rhaegar. She had definitely come to a stage where she was ready to leave Jaime, but Robert brought her back.

    Jordan Healey:
    C. Daenerys and Drogo’s relationship, their attempt to “simplify” the relationship only made it more confusing and less believable. They book wedding night scene is waaay stronger than the show’s version. Okay they’re going with the stockholm syndrome approach, fair enough. But at least in the books it shows that Drogo already has it in him rather than learning it from Daenerys.

    The book has more time to let things play out so it would be pretty confusing to have her marry Drogo, have a tender wedding night, change that to Drogo taking her very hard and painful, and then have her making him soft again. All that in two episodes would just be rushed and sloppy.

    The show doesn’t add anything new there, they just change that Drogo doesn’t treat her as property until after the wedding.

  124. Pau Soriano
    Posted March 28, 2012 at 5:28 pm | Permalink

    Joshua Taylor:
    Pau Soriano,

    Have you been reading the TWOP unspoiled speculation forums? Because many of the posters believe that Cersei is Jon’s mother!

    But R+L= J is starting to get mentioned…

    Damn, I Just checked and you are right!!

    No, I read an interview of D&D were they said Martin asked them who they thought Jon’s mother was and they guessed it and got it right, after saying i wasn’t anyone mentioned on the books…that got me thinking that mb was easier to guess than we thought, and after reading the discussion here about Cersei’s black haired kid it just ocurred to me.

  125. Mimsy
    Posted March 28, 2012 at 11:13 pm | Permalink

    But Jon is supposed to resemble Ned and have the Stark grey eyes. The books never say he has a likeness to a Baratheon. I still say, Gendry is Cersei’s kid.

  126. Joshua Taylor
    Posted March 28, 2012 at 11:31 pm | Permalink

    Pau Soriano,

    Oh I don’t buy that at all, I just read that forum because I enjoy the speculation. They are ‘unsullied’ viewers who avoid spoilers at all costs. They are are also obsessed with finding out who plotted Bran’s assassination.

    To be honest that was almost an afterthought for me in the grand scheme of things.

  127. GoTtranscendsFantasy
    Posted March 29, 2012 at 10:12 am | Permalink

    Joshua Taylor,

    I told you this season was going get stellar reviews across the board! 92 metacritic rating so far after 5 reviews. I know it’s early but I bet you anything GoT finished with an overall score in the 90s. Right now there is only 1 100 but I guarantee there will be more coming.

    And why is Mo Ryan from the Huffington Post so obnoxious? She is such a good writer but her scores make no sense. She raves about season 4 of BB and season 2 of GoT yet she only gives them a 90. Yet, season 1 of Homeland gets a 100 from her?

    Not to mention her 70 for GoT season 1, 70 for BB season 1, and 60 for Boss season 1. And 88 for “V” ???? So V is pretty much as good as season 4 of BB (one of the best seasons in the history of TV)?

  128. Winter Is Coming
    Posted March 29, 2012 at 10:16 am | Permalink

    GoTtranscendsFantasy, Mo doesn’t assign scores to her reviews. She just writes what she thinks of the show and Metacritic assigns the score. So your beef should be with the Metacritic number assigning person, not Mo.

  129. The Kingslayer
    Posted March 29, 2012 at 11:35 am | Permalink

    I don’t see Game Of Thrones as an heir to The Sopranos, if anything it’s more like Rome. Still flattering none the less as The Sopranos is probably the best show to grace tv bar The Wire.

  130. Saphana
    Posted March 29, 2012 at 11:47 am | Permalink

    Jordan Healey:
    and also I forgot to add.

    Dennai,

    I think you’re over analyzing Linda’s preference of two really faithful seasons over 6 so-so faithful ones. I’m pretty sure she just means quality over quantity. Not “two seasons that are faithful to the books but the show gets cancelled due to bad ratings”

    an analogy I would use is

    I would much rather have the one good Firefly season that exists than two seasons that weren’t as good.

    I don’t think Linda’s statement’s on the skin colour and/or the quality of the cast on her tumblr hippoiathanatoi.tumblr.com (start from page 1) leave much room for analysing, let alone “over” …


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