Three clips from Ep. 12 The Night Lands
By Winter Is Coming on in Media.

Alongside the six clips from the premiere episode, HBO also released three clips from the second episode of season two. I’m guessing many will refrain from viewing these, but for those who just can’t resist (like me), here they are!


117 Comments

  1. Lars
    Posted March 28, 2012 at 6:58 pm | Permalink

    Why must to many spoiler videos be posted when I am in such a weak state to resist them?

  2. biliki
    Posted March 28, 2012 at 7:00 pm | Permalink

    I like these so much more than the ones from episode 1, they are all amazing!

  3. jenish
    Posted March 28, 2012 at 7:01 pm | Permalink

    second!!!!

  4. Virtus
    Posted March 28, 2012 at 7:08 pm | Permalink

    I hope they haven’t made it so that Joffrey is the one to order the killing of Robert’s bastards. In the books it was Cersei who gave the orders (she even knew the number, 16, from her childhood’s prophecy) and I would think she would have kept Joffrey out of it all.

  5. biliki
    Posted March 28, 2012 at 7:12 pm | Permalink

    Virtus,

    I honestly don’t think they are talking about that. I think it’s about Ned. Remember Tyrion hasn’t seen Cersei in a long time, and in episode 1 maybe they don’t have much time to talk, so they put a dialog in episode 2. At least I hope it’s about Ned and not the bastards.

  6. Juan
    Posted March 28, 2012 at 7:14 pm | Permalink

    Cersei’s increasing insanity starting to show in the first clip.

  7. Burgos
    Posted March 28, 2012 at 7:14 pm | Permalink

    Virtus if your talking about the first clip I think that is in regards to the assassin sent after Bran, not Robers bastards

  8. sedeyus
    Posted March 28, 2012 at 7:15 pm | Permalink

    I think that’s what they’re doing, Virtus, and it kinda bums me out. I didn’t really mind trying to make Cersei sympathetic in season one, but she is a villain. At some point, you have to let her do villainous things and not blame it on her twerp of a son.

  9. Kornelia
    Posted March 28, 2012 at 7:16 pm | Permalink

    peter dinklage = awesome

  10. Ours is the Fury
    Posted March 28, 2012 at 7:17 pm | Permalink

    I’m fangirling so hard over Conleth Hill as Varys right now. He says one of my favorite lines from the book so perfectly!

    Very intriguing clips. A lot of Tyrion in ep 2.

  11. Noob Takes the Black
    Posted March 28, 2012 at 7:18 pm | Permalink

    I think it is indeed about the bastards. “Pull them out by the root”? And in the Ep. 201 clips it’s pretty clear Tyrion and Cersei understand what happened at the Sept of Baelor regarding Ned Stark.

  12. Queensmoot
    Posted March 28, 2012 at 7:18 pm | Permalink

    I was surprised by the second video.

    I suppose its not too big a departure, but I liked Tyrion handling the Terms without Cersei. Oh well, I trust in David and Dan!

    I can’t wait until Sunday!

  13. Andrew
    Posted March 28, 2012 at 7:24 pm | Permalink

    Im sorry… but I really don’t like Lena Headey’s acting. Everything else in the show is great, just not a fan of how she delivers lines

  14. Ours is the Fury
    Posted March 28, 2012 at 7:25 pm | Permalink

    Noob Takes the Black,

    Joffrey can’t be the one responsible for the bastards thing because he doesn’t know about them and he actually believes Robert is his father. So why would he suddenly find out about them and even care? The roots metaphor may work better with that particular problem, but overall it wouldn’t make sense. It’s gotta be a discussion about the catspaw assassin sent after Bran.

  15. Arthur
    Posted March 28, 2012 at 7:27 pm | Permalink

    That last scene where Tyrion and Varys go at it with a wittful duel is awesome. The fact he mentioned Ned and how he isn’t as naive to the dirty political power struggle between the warring factions, in much less words, was an awesome threat!

    Can’t wait to see their mental jousts unfold. That’s why Tyrion is awesome. In the end, all Tyrion is, is a man that wants to bring his family honor and have a women’s love. It’s not his fault he is stuck in the middle of a dysfunctional family and was born a dwarf.

    If his father just understood Tyrions need to be loved and excepted by a woman, things could have ended up a lot different… I really feel for that little man, he just wants what every man wants, but because of his grotesque deformity, he has to pay for it.

    The even sadder part is Tyrion himself knows this, but having to pay for a whores fake love is better then never receiving any kind of love at all. So that is what he settles for.

    The only love he ever truly experienced was belittled, taking away and sent off by his father. And for that Tyrion has never forgiving him…

  16. Hollyoak
    Posted March 28, 2012 at 7:38 pm | Permalink

    I can’t believe this! It’s not even hard for me to resist at this point.

    It’s funny, a few days ago, I posted that it was easy to resist getting too much information on season two because they hadn’t released as much as they had in season one in the way of trailers, social media, stunts, etc.

    But in these past few days–hours!–they have really opened the floodgates.

    Not watching. I am reciting the Brotherhood without Previews oath.

  17. JohnnyBoy
    Posted March 28, 2012 at 7:39 pm | Permalink

    Is everybody referring to the whole “weeds” quote? I may be a bit lost but i am almost certain they are talking about Ned’s execution.

  18. twincast
    Posted March 28, 2012 at 7:41 pm | Permalink

    Burgos:
    Virtus if your talking about the first clip I think that is in regards to the assassin sent after Bran, not Robers bastards

    I must say I agree with that interpretation.

    Or at least I hope so as it would make sense and changing who ordered the killing of the bastards would change Cersei, Joffrey and their relationship way too much for no discernible reason other than to pathetically (and cheesily) humanize Cersei even more.

    @Noob Take the Black: I understand the weeds to be a general metaphor, nothing specific.

  19. Matthew
    Posted March 28, 2012 at 7:41 pm | Permalink

    The second book is certainly Tyrion’s book and someone at HBO has certainly realized that. 5 of the 8 promos feature Tyrion (with a little help from his ‘friends’).

  20. Steven Swanson
    Posted March 28, 2012 at 7:41 pm | Permalink

    Andrew: Im sorry… but I really don’t like Lena Headey’s acting. Everything else in the show is great, just not a fan of how she delivers lines

    I wasn’t in the first season, but judging by these clips I like the way she’s slowly becoming more unhinged, and I think in hindsight I’m going to like her season 1 performance much more.

    And the Tyrion/Varys scene was badass. I’m going to enjoy watching them feel each other out and becoming relative allies.

  21. andrea
    Posted March 28, 2012 at 7:44 pm | Permalink

    What a great actor Conlet Hill is. He does wonders with his lines (of dialogues) even when they aren´t great.

  22. JamesL
    Posted March 28, 2012 at 7:46 pm | Permalink

    They are talking about the bastards and they have Joffrey do it because part of Cercei story arc this season is her slowly realizing her son is a little monster and she is losing control over him not because they are trying to make her more sympathetic. All the nonreaders who watch the show hate her and think she is a bitch so obviously they are not making her more sympathetic.

  23. Jaime Lannister
    Posted March 28, 2012 at 7:48 pm | Permalink

    Varys is a badass.

  24. JamesL
    Posted March 28, 2012 at 7:52 pm | Permalink

    Ours is the Fury,

    According to people who have screened S2E1 Joffrey does find out about the bastards

  25. madeye moody
    Posted March 28, 2012 at 7:54 pm | Permalink

    Another positive review

    http://m.tvfanatic.com/2012/03/game-of-thrones-season-2-review-lets-play/

    i think this time season 2 will get more than 90 metascore.

  26. Owen Parker
    Posted March 28, 2012 at 7:55 pm | Permalink

    Ours is the Fury: g who ordered the killing of the bastards would change Cersei, Joffrey and their relationship way too much for no discernible reason other than to pathetically (and cheesily) humanize Cersei even more.

    @Noob Take the Black: I understand the weeds to be a general metaphor, nothing specific.

    Consider it in the context of the episode synopsis issued by HBo earlier this month:

    In the wake of a bloody purge in the capital, Tyrion chastens Cersei for alienating the king’s subjects. On the road north, Arya shares a secret with Gendry, a Night’s Watch recruit. With supplies dwindling, one of Dany’s scouts returns with news of their position. After nine years as a Stark ward, Theon Greyjoy reunites with his father Balon, who wants to restore the ancient Kingdom of the Iron Islands. Davos enlists Salladhor Saan, a pirate, to join forces with Stannis and Melisandre for a naval invasion of King’s Landing.

    That first line seems to be a reference to the slaughter of the bastards to me. I note that Cersei doesn’t actually comment on Tyrion’s assertion that Joffrey was solely responsible so it could be an incorrect conclusion on his part on the basis of this scene. I think Joffrey may have found out about the bastards at this point – Stannis is likely to send his letters in the first episode which puts the rumor out there for Joffrey to become aware of. He can be aware of the bastards and still believe Robert was his true father. We have seen Joffrey at a feast where Robert was carousing with a serving woman in the series pilot so I don’t think it is a stretch that he believe his presumptive father unfaithful to his mother. He could want the bastards dead in the context of his claim being challenged on multiple fronts and them being possible rivals rather than to extinguish the evidence of his mother’s infidelity.

  27. Lex
    Posted March 28, 2012 at 8:21 pm | Permalink

    Hollyoak,

    I haven’t even felt the urge to watch the last few trailers… and I feel SOOO much happier than last year at this time, when I was already burned out on trailers and featurettes.

    I think my need to watch previews was much stronger before Season 1 because I’d never seen the show at all. I was so curious I couldn’t help watching. But now I pretty much know what to expect, so that insatiable appetite for previews is gone. I am master of my domain!

  28. KatyaJ
    Posted March 28, 2012 at 8:25 pm | Permalink

    JamesL,

    I was at the preview, and all Joffrey knows so far is that he has heard rumors about the existence of Robert’s bastards, and Cersei is not exactly brimming with answers to his questions on the subject.

  29. Ours is the Fury
    Posted March 28, 2012 at 8:27 pm | Permalink

    Owen Parker,

    It will make sense if all that’s true. I don’t think it’s beyond Joffrey to be so cruel, and I don’t think it lessens Cersei’s villainous aspects to assign some of her deeds to others. I think it will bother me a bit if they change Joffrey’s awareness of his own parentage. That’s a pretty notable character change, if he believes there’s anything to the rumors spread by the letters.

  30. Ant Mergens
    Posted March 28, 2012 at 8:33 pm | Permalink

    “You might be disappointed in the result”

    Sounds like the Varys is a merman theory will live on

  31. KaMrAnAhMeD
    Posted March 28, 2012 at 8:36 pm | Permalink

    the art of torture.. who knows it better than HBO. they are purely torturing us with these previews. the least they culd do now is release first 30mins of 1st episode. plzzzzzzzz HBO

  32. Owen Parker
    Posted March 28, 2012 at 8:49 pm | Permalink

    Ours is the Fury

    I agree that would be a step too far in terms of adapting the character. His certainty in his entitlement underpins his cruelty – I think he believes too strongly in his right to rule to entertain that possibility.

  33. John W
    Posted March 28, 2012 at 8:54 pm | Permalink

    So much goodness….can’t ….keep…composure…..AAAAAAGGGHH!

  34. Marlow
    Posted March 28, 2012 at 8:58 pm | Permalink

    All hail the Merling King.

  35. Mike Chair
    Posted March 28, 2012 at 9:02 pm | Permalink

    Lex: I haven’t even felt the urge to watch the last few trailers… and I feel SOOO much happier than last year at this time, when I was already burned out on trailers and featurettes.

    This.

    Lex: I am master of my domain!

    And that.

  36. Hollyoak
    Posted March 28, 2012 at 9:06 pm | Permalink

    Lex:
    Hollyoak,

    I haven’t even felt the urge to watch the last few trailers… and I feel SOOO much happier than last year at this time, when I was already burned out on trailers and featurettes.

    I think my need to watch previews was much stronger before Season 1 because I’d never seen the show at all. I was so curious I couldn’t help watching. But now I pretty much know what to expect, so that insatiable appetite for previews is gone. I am master of my domain!

    I hear you Lex. I agree. Not much longer till Sunday!!

  37. Torgee
    Posted March 28, 2012 at 9:15 pm | Permalink

    I’m not going to lie. I am disappointed in all of you that watched these clips (that include you Winter). Come on people, its only a few more days before you can see these scenes in their entirety and with proper context… how they were meant to be watched!

  38. scott glennon
    Posted March 28, 2012 at 9:26 pm | Permalink

    Clip one I am almost sure is about Bran, Clips two and three -with minor changes in dialog- are straight out of “A Clash of Kings” Almost there…

  39. the waif
    Posted March 28, 2012 at 9:30 pm | Permalink

    Aaah…after reading 5 review of this season and 16 reviews of previous season plus random interviews on news on google i can happily sleep, though morning breaks here(6:57 am here,india) …

    And togree ,dont hit on winter, he/she/they hv already proved by not viewing first 4 episodes given by HBO.

  40. purplejilly
    Posted March 28, 2012 at 9:44 pm | Permalink

    *PLugs fingers in ears and runs around*

    Why did i click on this post? why did i start to read the comments? At least I can stop. I am pulling back now, I didn’t watch anything, I will be back Sunday night!! I can’t visit anymore between now and then…does anyone have a spoilerfree place we can congregate until Sunday? Fury, do you still have that message board? Can we have a corner to huddle and have spoilrer free talks?

  41. Noob Takes the Black
    Posted March 28, 2012 at 9:44 pm | Permalink

    Of course, Ceresei could just be lying to Tyrion about what she knew and when she knew it…

    A note about my covered spoiler below — don’t read if you aren’t all the way caught up with the books:

    Query: I know a bastard can be made legitimate by royal decree (see, e.g., Bolton and Stannis offer to Jon Snow), but does a bastard have no claim at all that my take precedence over a much more distant relative?

  42. Lana
    Posted March 28, 2012 at 9:46 pm | Permalink

    Andrew,

    Preach! Her gesticulation is also rather grating and not in (what I consider to be) the right way. She was a poor choice for Cersei in every respect. There is absolutely nothing seductive about her, she is simply and oh-so-sullenly annoying. Thank the gods for her on-screen brothers; though their manes may have rusted, their acting is still golden.

  43. JamesL
    Posted March 28, 2012 at 9:47 pm | Permalink

    Another ****star rave review from a nonreader who just recently got hooked on the show http://www.suntimes.com/entertainment/11583734-421/the-game-of-thrones-world-pulls-in-another-new-viewer.html
    Looking like this is going to be one hell of a season. Wonder what the Metacritic rating will be.

  44. Zach
    Posted March 28, 2012 at 9:48 pm | Permalink

    I’m disappointed in everyone NOT watching the clips. Come on guys, you only live once!

    I’m like the idea of Joffrey ordering the bastards killed. Honestly, I always felt ACoK would have benefitted from making Joffrey’s deeds more central to the story. This may make for a more entertaining, tighter narrative, especially given the ten-episode limit.

  45. Lady Stoneheart
    Posted March 28, 2012 at 9:49 pm | Permalink

    Seven Hells!! Why must you tempt me so? Of course I’m going to watch these..

  46. the waif
    Posted March 28, 2012 at 9:57 pm | Permalink

    JamesL

    now, i hv to read 1 more b4 bed…damn you

  47. the waif
    Posted March 28, 2012 at 10:14 pm | Permalink

    Metacritic just gave (2 min b4) season 2 92 metascore- universal acclaim

    omg, i will b dead b4 sunday

  48. Varamyr Fourskins
    Posted March 28, 2012 at 10:34 pm | Permalink

    If you haven’t read the books, that’s one thing, but if you have, and are still resisting the trailers, what exactly do you think they’ll “spoil”?

    If you already know the story, and are familiar with the actors portraying the characters, there’s no reason not to watch the trailers.

    Granted, I personally hate surprises, and I always read a run down of every movie or TV show I watch before I see it (in other words, I actively seek out spoilers), so I’ve never understood why people actually like being kept in the dark.

    Most of my friends (and most people in general, I suppose) do the exact opposite of me (which defies logic, in my opinion); they watch a movie without knowing anything about it, and then read about it once it’s over, in order to understand it better, or to pick up on something they might not have caught on the first go ’round. I don’t get nearly as much out of it that way. In fact, it kind of ruins it for me if I don’t have a good grasp on what’s happening, as it’s happening. You can read much more deeply into it that way.

    But whatever. I know I’m not likely to convert anyone. Point being, a few minute’s worth of snippets from the first two episodes isn’t going to ruin it.

  49. Thiago Slash
    Posted March 28, 2012 at 10:37 pm | Permalink

    the second one is absurdly awesome. Tyrion and Varys “duelling” will be the por of gold, this season!

  50. Joshua Taylor
    Posted March 28, 2012 at 10:57 pm | Permalink

    Every time Lena is brought into discussion here I double take and remember that I am not on an IMDB board. I could argue till I am blue in the face regarding an actresses performance but it really does nothing. Personally I think she’s getting better and better. But acting is very subjective, “words like grating” don’t really apply to her talent but more as how some people don’t like certain actresses. I feel it as well sometimes, not with Lena as I am a fan of her work.

  51. Blood Raven's Eye
    Posted March 28, 2012 at 11:03 pm | Permalink

    vote for game of thrones for hulu’s best in show 2012
    we’re losing by 1 percent and the voting ends tonight!
    http://www.hulu.com/bestinshow/2/3

  52. JWestfall
    Posted March 28, 2012 at 11:12 pm | Permalink

    Tyrion vs. Varys? Awesome.
    Dinklage vs. Hill? Super ultra mega mega awesome, both are amazing in that scene, I will not be able to get enough of those two interacting.

  53. Joshua Taylor
    Posted March 28, 2012 at 11:22 pm | Permalink

    the waif,

    Betcha Westeros.Org isn’t counted in there. ;-)

    I really think that with Purists it’s not just the lack of slavish devotion to the source material that makes them squirm. They are in fact classic hipsters who use to like something before it became popular. They spend years on their devotion to the books, enjoying their cult status and wanting to spread the word to share with the world GRRM’s ASOIAF. And now having that finally they utterly resent it. Westeros is a prime example. Linda’s disturbing attack on the tumblr fans, (the C word really?) their ridiculous rant against the casting of Sallahdhor Saan and their recent review seems to suggest us. That is Geekdom at it’s worst.

    Now I am not expecting them to love it, but their attitude really pisses me off. The books are famous now, and they are acting like the kid who once had the only cool toy on the block. I don’t understand why the books and the series can’t be seen as two separate entities, each complimenting the other.

    Then again, I haven’t spent twenty years working on an website devoted to that particular subject, so maybe I can’t comprehend the sacrilege that they feel.

  54. David
    Posted March 28, 2012 at 11:29 pm | Permalink

    Faith. You’re driving me away. You do it everyday. You don’t mean it but it hurts like hell. My brain. Says I’m in searing pain. A lack of oxygen from my life support my Iron Throne.

  55. Lisanne
    Posted March 28, 2012 at 11:32 pm | Permalink

    I’m loving Lena’s Cersei! I have a feeling I will definitely enjoy her character this season.

  56. andrea
    Posted March 28, 2012 at 11:35 pm | Permalink

    Joshua Taylor: But acting is very subjective, “words like grating” don’t really apply to her talent but more as how some people don’t like certain actresses.

    LOL. You should have written this to finish your thoughts: …”but only I (I mean you) can say which are the exact words to describe Lena´s performance (because I´m a fan)”. Made me laugh ;)

  57. Joshua Taylor
    Posted March 28, 2012 at 11:46 pm | Permalink

    andrea,

    Yeah I originally posted a much angrier comment and decided to change it, but never had enough time to insert any grammatical structure. At all.

    The sum of it is Lena Headey is one of those actors (and there are many) that despite the quality (or the lack thereof) have certain mannerisms that can annoy people. E.g: Kristin Stewart always brushing her hair back.
    So if I am a fan of Lena Headey’s work because acting as I said, is subjective, what’s the point of me responding to a comment that conveys the opposite opinion? I have found from personal experience that when it comes to actors/celebrities some people have likes and dislikes that transcend rational behaviour. No common ground exists between two opinions like these.

  58. The Dragon Demands
    Posted March 28, 2012 at 11:49 pm | Permalink

    “You’ve perfected the art of tearing up papers”

    I love that. As if to say, “that’s your answer to everything! Tear up the papers!”

    But really its an accurate observation, which is what makes it so great; she thinks tearing up wills or diplomatic papers actually changes anything.

  59. Arthur
    Posted March 29, 2012 at 1:07 am | Permalink

    The Dragon Demands,

    I’d agree but Tyrion wasn’t there when she tore up the paper from Robert that Ned handed to her in season 1. So that little comment, to me, was weak and out of place…

    Unless she tore up another piece of paper in front of Tyrion in season 2 before that scene.

    We can always just pretend he heard about it I guess…

  60. Andrew
    Posted March 29, 2012 at 1:23 am | Permalink

    Joshua Taylor,

    She just seems very stiff to me and her lines seem forced. You can tell who the great actors are because they’re the ones that were unilateraly praised (Mark Addy, Dinklage, Barristan the bold, conleth hill)

  61. Joshua Taylor
    Posted March 29, 2012 at 1:38 am | Permalink

    Andrew,

    Sorry unless you are comparing her to the book Cersei I simply don’t see it.

  62. Middlefinger
    Posted March 29, 2012 at 1:39 am | Permalink

    Joshua Taylor,

    To defend the purists what ruins almost all adaptations is that the show or movie is not faithfull to the source material. The people who call the shots just love to make retarded unnecessary changes just for the sake of change (or various lame reasons). Its like they have some urge to prove to the world that they can outdo the original author.

    A lot of sceenes in s1 would have been significantly better if they had kept the dialogue from the books. Almost every time they departed from the books in S1 they managed to screw up character motivations or even simple logic. A lot of this I put down to bad writers who are not familiar enough with the source material.

    A few examples of this:

    In the “prologue” the dead wildlings are chopped into litte peices. This makes no sense as they cannot be reanimated

    In the Stark introduction sceene we get the “Which one of you was a marksman at 10?” line. And then Arya age 8 hits the bullseye from like twice the distance. Again makes little or no sense.

    The infamous Littlefinger brothel sceene. Confiding in his fresh of the street NORTHERN hooker. Kill me now.

    I think we had exaples like this in every episode except possibly the one GRRM wrote. Presumably because he knows the characters and the world inside out. And call me crazy but I think his dialogues also had better flow than what the other writers could come up with.

    On shows where you are not a fan of the source material you would not pick up on things like that. But when you have intimate knowlege og every detail in the books its hard not to be pissed at things they screw up (or change for no apparent reason).

  63. Joshua Taylor
    Posted March 29, 2012 at 1:39 am | Permalink

    Arthur,

    God forbid a television series let’s the viewer think for themselves.

  64. Elizabeth
    Posted March 29, 2012 at 1:40 am | Permalink

    It is taking all my willpower not to watch these clips. I don’t know how long I can take it…

  65. Baron Von Gilly
    Posted March 29, 2012 at 1:41 am | Permalink

    Arthur,

    or someone told him about Cersei tearing up Roberts last wishes…. not that far fetched really :)

  66. Shadowcat85
    Posted March 29, 2012 at 1:44 am | Permalink

    Ours is the Fury,

    Yes, yes, yes. He and Peter Dinklage are frakking brilliant.

  67. Meg
    Posted March 29, 2012 at 1:45 am | Permalink

    Josh Taylor – agree with you 100% about the purists. You’ve expressed my thoughts, and I would pile on but I feel guilty making negative comments about other ASOIAF fan communities (tumblr fans included).

    ETA: The failure of the brothel scene (and I agree it failed hard) is forgivable because of the additions of other wonderful scenes (Littlefinger/Varys, Robert/Cersei, Jaime/Jory, Viserys/Jorah, and many others!). I think its fair to allow them 1 failed scene/season without losing sleep that the integrity of the series is being destroyed.

  68. Joshua Taylor
    Posted March 29, 2012 at 1:48 am | Permalink

    Middlefinger,

    I have my misgivings with some of the changes, as I have been quite vocal on the LF brothel scene. I tried being a bit of a Purist with season 1 but it failed. Now I see the television series and the book as two different things. I enjoyed season 1 a thousand times more when I watched without the lens I had utilized on my first viewing. I came to appreciate the television series for what it was, and the books will always be the best.
    I have long reconciled that it would not be the perfect translation, as such things as our social and political climate, the television industry, the nature of commerce and as you mentioned the artistic ambitions of some of the writers prevent that from happening. I made my peace with it I guess. You don’t have to of course, you can complain as is your right. I just think it’s a waste of time given the nature of television. To be honest I have concluded that I watch a lot of television because that marksman line was a perfectly well written line for a television series. It conveyed to the viewing audience the imperfect nature of the Starks at an early stage and sets up the Arya scene later on. When she hits the target it tells the new audience there and then in a pilot episode of an ambitious series that this girl is someone to lookout for. I have talked to many GoT recruits, and they mostly speak of that scene because it allowed them to be pulled into the show, especially the girls. It’s great TV writing.

    I won’t attack Purists any more but I am weary of these forums when the show starts. They are not going to be pleasant methinks.

  69. G_Lee
    Posted March 29, 2012 at 1:49 am | Permalink

    ###off topic:

    Is it only me or is wic.net really slow since a couple of weeks? The site takes at least 10 seconds to load and I have a 100 MBit/s internet connection. Is it because you get a lot of traffic lately or is my browser the problem?

  70. Shadowcat85
    Posted March 29, 2012 at 1:51 am | Permalink

    Joshua Taylor,

    She was one of the weak links for me last season, but I think her direction was more to blame. I’m really digging what I’ve seen of her this season so far though. And she looks sooo much better (thank you wig department).

  71. Arthur
    Posted March 29, 2012 at 1:51 am | Permalink

    Joshua Taylor,

    To me, that line was delivered with the assumption all of us would remember the scene of her tearing the paper Ned Stark handed over, as if he was there to see it first hand. He was not, but as I already stated, an “Everything is always done perfectly”, GoTs TV series fan can easily cover it up by just stating someone must have told Tyrion about that.

    It’s really no big deal but my hunch is the writers were forcing in a clever line for Tyrion to say to get a quick laugh and the fact he wasn’t there to witness Cersi tearing the paper handed over by Ned was probably overlooked.

  72. Shadowcat85
    Posted March 29, 2012 at 1:53 am | Permalink

    Meg,

    And you’ve expressed my thoughts with your comment :)

  73. Joshua Taylor
    Posted March 29, 2012 at 2:03 am | Permalink

    Arthur,

    It’s really no big deal but my hunch is the writers were forcing in a clever line for Tyrion to say to get a quick laugh and the fact he wasn’t there to witness Cersi tearing the paper handed over by Ned was probably overlooked

    Exactly. And the viewing audience will remember it well as it was pretty much the significant moment when they realized Ned was screwed. The people pissed with Ned’s death will love it even more because it’s a mini-blow at the people who brought him down. It automatically puts Tyrion on their side.They can latch on to this character even more because they know he is going to stir the pot for the Lannisters in KL. The power of the line alone is worth the risk of several people finding it ‘out of place. ‘ And yes, most people were use their head and assume that he must have heard about it.

    But I am a ‘GoT always done Perfectly Fan so what do I Know’? Dude don’t assume contrary opinions to your own are the polar opposite. There are many people, like myself in the middle ground who disagree with you not because were evil but because we have different knowledge and life experiences that make us feel otherwise.

  74. Arthur
    Posted March 29, 2012 at 2:09 am | Permalink

    Joshua Taylor,

    Exactly. And the viewing audience will remember it well as it was pretty much the significant moment when they realized Ned was screwed. The people pissed with Ned’s death will love it even more because it’s a mini-blow at the people who brought him down. It automatically puts Tyrion on their side.They can latch on to this character even more because they know he is going to stir the pot for the Lannisters in KL. The power of the line alone is worth the risk of several people finding it ‘out of place.

    Well said, that does make a lot of sense…

  75. Middlefinger
    Posted March 29, 2012 at 2:09 am | Permalink

    Andrew:
    Joshua Taylor,

    She just seems very stiff to me and her lines seem forced. You can tell who the great actors are because they’re the ones that were unilateraly praised (Mark Addy, Dinklage, Barristan the bold, conleth hill)

    What, no love for Harry Lloyd?

    Personally I thought the actors in general where pretty much the best thing about season 1.

  76. Joshua Taylor
    Posted March 29, 2012 at 2:22 am | Permalink

    Arthur,

    I appreciate the acknowledgement even though I felt your ‘well said’ reminded me of Jaime’s response to Ned’s retort about “not wanting to show them what I can do” in the pilot episode. ;-)

    Sorry if my last paragraph was condescending…

  77. Arthur
    Posted March 29, 2012 at 2:25 am | Permalink

    Hey Joshua Taylor,

    I see in previous threads you were talking about who people think Jon Snow’s mother is.

    I have a theory. Let me present my evidence and theory…

    The whole war that overthrew the Targaryens started over the Aerys “The Mad King” taking Lyanna Stark captive due to her legendary beauty. It is said he held her prisoner in a tower and repeatedly raped her. I think after Aerys was defeated, Jon Snow was found as an infant clutched by the dying Lyanna. Ned probably found her there holding Jon and swore to raise him and take care of him. I remember in the scene where Ned last spoke to Jon he said something like, “you don’t have my name but you have my blood”. He didn’t say anything about him being his son, just he had his “blood”. Ned is a character who is so honorable I can’t imagine him cheating on his wife. But in order to hide Jon Snow’s true identity he threw away his honor, and raised his sister’s son as his own.

    But their are holes in my theory as well. I remember reading about someone talking to one of the Stalk children about how they knew a woman Ned had relations with… But never was it said she bore him a child.

    Who knows, I like my theory I think it be so cool if Jon ended up being the result of that whole thing…

  78. Steven Swanson
    Posted March 29, 2012 at 2:39 am | Permalink

    Arthur:
    Joshua Taylor,

    To me, that line was delivered with the assumption all of us would remember the scene of her tearing the paper Ned Stark handed over, as if he was there to see it first hand.He was not, but as I already stated, an “Everything is always done perfectly”, GoTs TV series fan can easily cover it up by just stating someone must have told Tyrion about that.

    It’s really no big deal but my hunch is the writers were forcing in a clever line for Tyrion to say to get a quick laugh and the fact he wasn’t there to witness Cersi tearing the paper handed over by Ned was probably overlooked.

    Well obviously Tyrion would have been told the story, whether in an official capacity hearing about exactly how his family seized power over the freaking kingdom, or just hearing it through the grapevine, because there were a shitload of witnesses. I just took that for granted when watching it, and it seems strange to me that you’re hung up on that being so far-fetched.

  79. lefaisan
    Posted March 29, 2012 at 2:40 am | Permalink

    Arthur,

    This isn’t your theory, this is a theory thas has been talked about amongst book readers for years now.

  80. Arthur
    Posted March 29, 2012 at 2:41 am | Permalink

    Steven Swanson,

    You’re a little late on this. Scroll up and read. I agree with you…

  81. Arthur
    Posted March 29, 2012 at 2:45 am | Permalink

    lefaisan,

    Well I am an individual, I didn’t think I was the only one in the world that thought this.

    I just listed the reasons why I personally believe this. I wasn’t trying to take ownership of it. Sorry if it came out that way…

    I meant this is “MY” theory as in, this is what I believe. Not that I have copy rights on it.

  82. Ye Olde Wolfe
    Posted March 29, 2012 at 2:50 am | Permalink

    Arthur,

    I think you’ve confused Aerys with Rhaegar. If I remember right, Rhaegar names Lyanna the Queen of Love and Beauty (or something like that) after winning a tourney, and he kidnaps and supposedly rapes her. Robert later kills Rhaegar because of this. Other than that, I really like that theory and it’s one I subscribe to myself.

    And Natalie Dormer is so hot, it was her “secret sweetness” that melted down Ice.

  83. Middlefinger
    Posted March 29, 2012 at 2:50 am | Permalink

    Joshua Taylor,

    I guess Im starting to come around to your line of thinking, treating the show as a seperate thing. I hope I will enjoy s2 more as Im not fresh of a reread as I was last time around. Also Im holding off on viewing theese clips until the episodes get released. Seems like they have taken steps to add a sense of scale that was totaly lacking in the first season. I think its likely that s2 as a show will be better than s1 but some of the rumored changes seem very off-putting to me.

    Regarding the marksman sceene I agree that it conveys certain things to the audience, and so it makes sense for tv in that regard. I just wish they had come up with something that wasn’t as logicaly flawed.

    When the show starts I think this forum will be overrun by fanboys more than anything else.

  84. Arthur
    Posted March 29, 2012 at 2:57 am | Permalink

    Ye Olde Wolfe,

    Man all these Targaryen kings get me confused… Well what ever one raped her, that is who I think his mother and father is.

    Thanks for pointing that out!

  85. Arthur
    Posted March 29, 2012 at 3:05 am | Permalink

    Ye Olde Wolfe,

    Natalie Dormer is so hot, when she tans the Sun has to put lotion on.

  86. Amir Mishali
    Posted March 29, 2012 at 3:41 am | Permalink

    Andrew:
    Im sorry… but I really don’t like Lena Headey’s acting. Everything else in the show is great, just not a fan of how she delivers lines

    exactly my thoughts.

  87. Kate
    Posted March 29, 2012 at 3:48 am | Permalink

    Middlefinger: “Which one of you was a marksman at 10?” line. And then Arya age 8 hits the bullseye from like twice the distance

    You are confusing the ages in the books with the ages in the series. Arya is older than by two years, so when Arya hits the bullseye she is already twelve.

    (All share all your other complaints, btw)

  88. Phantomwriter05
    Posted March 29, 2012 at 3:56 am | Permalink

    Ours is the Fury,

    Joff knew about Robert’s bastards …

    In ASOS he tells Sansa at her wedding how he was going to put a bastard inside her, and when Sansa tells him he can’t, he tells her that his father had many bastards himself.

    To me I really enjoy the departure from Cersei being the one to give the New Testment order. I also like the “My son’s a monster … but I don’t want you to tell me about it.” it’s more humanizing and more compelling.

  89. Hildegarde
    Posted March 29, 2012 at 5:23 am | Permalink

    G_Lee,

    I have noticed that too and it is probably a combination of more traffic and all the ads they now have on the site. The animated ads are pretty annoying but I gues WIC and the others need their lunch money! I don’t have the patience to wait for sites with lots of ads to load. Anyway I am going to have to avoid this site for a while since I have to wait for the series to start on iTunes in Australia.

  90. Magnus
    Posted March 29, 2012 at 5:35 am | Permalink

    Ours is the Fury,

    And knowing about Roberts bastards does not equate to knowing about his own parentage.

  91. Chris77
    Posted March 29, 2012 at 6:13 am | Permalink

    About the Wildlings being chopped up in S1 prologue:
    If you listen to the audio commentaries of Episode 1 D & D say that they have first filmed it like it was in the book, but it was so anticlimatic and unbelievable that they would shock Will so much. They also say that they are aware that a lot of people said the lil dead wilding girl in the tree looked so fake, but it was actually the actor (who was over 20 as well).

    I like the changes so far, because I realize that TV and book don’t work under the same rules. A literal adaption can’t work (I shudder if I think of how a literal LOTR adaption would look like…) ASOIAF is as a book series very dependant on the POV structure that some changes have to be made to get information to the viewer (hence sexposition). The only changes that I won’t sanction will be when whole story segments will be changed or important characters will be cut (I look at you Reeds and Ramsay… btw where is the Blackfish:)

  92. Jenish Kachhadia
    Posted March 29, 2012 at 6:52 am | Permalink

    Arthur,

    Arthur: But their are holes in my theory as well. I remember reading about someone talking to one of the Stalk children about how they knew a woman Ned had relations with… But never was it said she bore him a child.

    one of the stark children!!!! she was arya, damn it. ARYAAAAA

  93. Shinyteapot
    Posted March 29, 2012 at 7:45 am | Permalink

    Magnus,

    Joffrey must be aware of the existence of Robert’s acknowledged bastards at least (if they exist in the show).

    One thing I think the first series did really well was to remind us that Joffrey doesn’t know the truth, and he really looks up to Robert and craves his approval. Unfortunately he has rather unpleasant ideas about how to get attention. Joffrey, horrible little sod that he is, really doesn’t know why Ned, his father’s best friend, said he has no claim to the throne. None of which justifies the various horrors he inflicts on people- he’s the mad king mark 2.

  94. Kael of the Lake
    Posted March 29, 2012 at 8:12 am | Permalink

    Sometimes true fans can be a very scary thing.
    I can’t understand why a Tyrion’s line could cause such unease. Supposedly, this was the first letter Cercei ever tore in her life! Ever! Couldn’t the character of Tyrion (as you know him from the books) deliver such a line? For god’s sake!

    If you expect to “read” the book using a TV set I’m afraid you’ll be fairly disappointed. You’ll hate the show and it’s clear why.
    If you [choose to] relax though, you may be the ones telling your friends supplemental information and interesting details and enjoy it even more. And it’s really easy you know.

    Sometimes I wish I never knew the books. Indeed there are times that knowing certain stories or passages prevent me from taking the best of a tv show. Luckily, a few.

  95. Tyrion4Lyfe
    Posted March 29, 2012 at 8:13 am | Permalink

    Ant Mergens:
    “You might be disappointed in the result”

    Sounds like the Varys is a merman theory will live on

    Wait..what!? I hadn’t heard that one, until now. Can you point me in the direction of a forum thread on the topic. I would like to see people’s views on this theory.

  96. the waif
    Posted March 29, 2012 at 8:50 am | Permalink

    There was a great exclusive in the new Empire Magazine on Game of Thrones: Season 2. Originally posted by michael harper with link but none gave a look and time to discuss it here, so, I thought I’d just post it here. There is some great talk about the Battle of the Blackwater, and interviews with D.B. Weiss, David Benioff, Liam Cunningham, and Neil Marshall:

    MIGHT AND MAGIC. With a new king on the Iron Throne and war raging, HBO’s Game of Thrones turns truly epic. Neil Marshall had always wanted to see what happens when you’re hit by a trebuchet-hurled boulder. He’d watched many castle-siege battle scenes in which rocks fly over walls with devastating effect, but was always denied the full, brutal point of impact. Until, that is, writer/producers D.B. Weiss and David Benioff, creators of HBO’s Game of Thrones, asked him to step in and direct the ninth episode of Season Two, titled Blackwater.

    “We had a full-size dummy with a head,” explains the man behind Dog Soldiers, The Descent and Centurion. “And that head had brains in it. And we dropped a real rock on it. And the damage it caused was really impressive…”

    Game of Thrones is a bloody phenomenon. Even for those neophytes in the war-torn realm of Westeros, unfamiliar novelist George R.R. Martin’s sprawling series A Song of Ice and Fire, the promise of a ‘fantasy Sopranos’ or ‘Lord of the Rings…with tits!’, was enough to be drawn in. Then ten episodes of high drama, extreme violence, explicit sex and devastating twists hooked them. The fantasy genre was hatched anew and here was a novelty: it was genuinely adults-only.

    “I don’t think I’d describe it as a ‘fantasy’,” says Liam Cunningham, seasoned veteran of big-screen sword-and-sandals campaigns (Marshall’s Centurion, Louis Leterrier’s Clash of the Titans) and a fresh addition to the Thrones cast, in the shape of conflicted smuggler-turned-courtier Ser Davos Seaworth. “It’s an incredibly intense human drama with betrayal, jealously, love and intrigue. This is really grown-up stuff that as a viewer you need to invest in. You need to make sure the phone’s off the hook, the kids are in bed and you have a nice bottle of Shiraz ready to open. I think it’s some of the best television ever made.”

    This season the pressure’s on to make it even better. it’s a pressure loaded on two men in particular, showrunners Weiss and Benioff, who also had to wrestle with the fact that, following the tumultuous events of Season One, two things have returned to Westeros: war and magic. Two things which any producer will tell you are one thing above all: expensive.

    “Yes, we were worried,” admits Benioff. “In the original pitch to HBO we said it was this fantasy world, but also one where magic and the supernatural are on the fringes. You’re not seeing armies of orcs descending. But in the second season it starts coming more into play. What we love about A Song of Ice and Fire is that magic is so often used as a deus ex machina in fantasy novels, where characters can get out of anything by the use of a spell or being resurrected, but in this, characters die and stay dead…” He gives a conspiratorial smile. “With a few notable exceptions.”

    That’s the storytelling concern. But what about making the inevitable visual effects sing on a TV budget? While Season Two isn’t strictly following book two, A Clash of Kings (“We brought in some elements from the third book and pushed some elements from the second book into the third season,” Benioff says), we will see, among other things, infant dragons, murderous shadow demons and possibly a giant or two. “The last shot [of Season One] was nerve-wracking,” says Benioff, “because if the dragons didn’t look good, it would just make the entire first season look cheesy. Luckily our VFX team did a sensational job. We actually have a new team this year and they’ve been extraordinary. We’ve seen some of their work on the shadow demon and it really is fantastic. Even on stuff as seemingly simple as guys on ships, which became so crucial for the Blackwater battle, they did a remarkable job.”

    Ah yes, Blackwater. The pivotal moment of the entire season, when the brewing ‘War of the Five Kings’ comes to a spectacular head.

    There have been battles in Game of Thrones before, but Benioff and Weiss cleverly dodged having to actually show them. In one instance, we were following dwarf Tyrion Lannister (Emmy and Golden Globe-winner Pete Dinklage) into the fray, when he was knocked out by one of his own troops, waking to find his side victorious.

    “That was kind of a desperation move, if I’m honest,” says Benioff. “We had always planned to shoot that battle, and we were excited about it because we were clear on how it was going to look: we would wade in from Tyrion’s POV on a handheld camera about four feet off the ground, with The Mountain (Conan Stevens) cutting a bloody swathe through the enemy directly in front of us. Everything looked good. The problem was that as the season progressed, we were running out of money and time.”

    Benioff and Weiss were aware they couldn’t pull the same trick for The Battle of the Blackwater, a furious naval conflict which spills onto the beaches of capital King’s Landing while green, combustible alchemical weapon ‘wildfire’ is liberally hurled about. So they “literally begged” HBO to sufficiently beef up the funds. Also, as Benioff points out, “We had a wonderful director in Neil Marshall, who’s really good at maximising his budget and time. I think it’s a spectacular battle.”

    Marshall’s involvement was a stroke of luck. Originally another director was prepping the Blackwater episode when they were called away to a family emergency. Fortunately, some of the crew had worked with Marshall, and recommended him to the producers. (It helped, too, that George R.R. Martin himself was a fan, of The Descent and Centurion in particular) They called him right away, on a Friday, from the Belfast set. “I asked them when we were going to start filming, thinking it would be in a few months,” remembers Marshall, “and they told me, ‘We star on Monday!’ I said, ‘Okay,’ straight away.”

    The Blackwater episode, as the director puts it, “is pretty much one long battle, on a much bigger scale than anything in Centurion. I couldn’t believe the scale of production value I had. It was as big, if not bigger, than most features I’ve done: 400 extras, costumes, horses, stunts, fires… We had a full-size galleon to play with and a green-screen set that was doubling as several other ships, and we were setting that on fire and throwing people overboard. Then there’s a Saving Private Ryan-like beach battle, with all these guys getting shot to pieces, an attack on a castle.”

    As his inclusion f the aforementioned head-squishing suggests, Marshall hardly had to rein in his predilection for inventive gore. “Oh, of course not. There’s people being hacked to pieces left, right and centre. Some great violence. And one of the things I find cool about this episode is sometimes you forget who you’re rooting for – the people attacking or the people defending.”

    In the midst of this fierce, green-flame-swirling storm, braving the freezing temperatures and constant rain of a Belfast winter, stood Liam Cunningham. Even though he’s a new arrival in Weiss and Benioff’s Westeros, Empire wonders if, on the deck of his flame-licked galleon, he sense the intensified ambition of this second series. “It definitely feels bigger, with a wider scope,” Cunningham confirms. “It has more majesty to it. They’re pushing the f**king boat out for this one.”

    centurion battle scene….pretty badass…
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_FH0ReBfN-c

  97. Frank
    Posted March 29, 2012 at 9:02 am | Permalink

    Kael of the Lake,

    Just to put to bed the rumor “Tyrion knows about Cersei tearing up Roberts last request” –
    Tyrion delivers this line after the small council meeting where Cersei had torn the decree that names Tyrion Hand of the King (EP 11) – from Tyrion’s eyes, this is now the second letter she has torn in front of him – Robb’s demands.

    Hope that helps!

  98. lefaisan
    Posted March 29, 2012 at 9:12 am | Permalink

    the waif,

    Wow, thanks, that was a great read ! And, so, we’re getting some giants this season ?! I guess the season will end with Jon discovering Mance Rayder’s army.. that would be a great way to end the season, IMO.

  99. Kael of the Lake
    Posted March 29, 2012 at 9:33 am | Permalink

    Frank,

    Makes sense. And thank you.
    But I wouldn’t mind if it didn’t. I just can’t understand the buzzing about it.

    It can generate a nice nickname for Cersei though.

  100. Joshua Taylor
    Posted March 29, 2012 at 9:36 am | Permalink

    Frank,

    Very good to hear! This also still manages to reference the throne room scene in”You Win or Die”. Perfect! Great attention to detail by the writers eh Arthur?

  101. the waif
    Posted March 29, 2012 at 9:38 am | Permalink

    lefaisan,

    yeh, agreed….it would be the great end

  102. Jen@House Stark
    Posted March 29, 2012 at 10:10 am | Permalink

    I’ve read/heard by many on the show, this blog and interviews on HBO about how all of the characters of not all good or all bad. We see this with Jaime and others. I have yet to see much of it in Tywin, but I understand the logic.

  103. Arthur
    Posted March 29, 2012 at 10:29 am | Permalink

    Frank,

    Tyrion delivers this line after the small council meeting where Cersei had torn the decree that names Tyrion Hand of the King (EP 11) – from Tyrion’s eyes, this is now the second letter she has torn in front of him – Robb’s demands.

    I didn’t see her tear up the letter naming Tyrion hand of the king in that clip that was posted earlier.

    But it is no big deal, it is so minor of a thing and the story works fine just assuming Tyrion must have heard about it. It only struck me as odd the way Tyrion mentioned the whole thing about her tearing the paper as if he was there to witness her having done that previously in the case with Ned Stark. And the line itself was put there for the viewer to recall her doing that and laugh…

    As other posters have pointed out to me, it is a tiny little cherrypicking detail that works fine even without the fact he was not there to witness that infamous scene of her tearing the paper up in front of Ned Stark in season 1.

  104. Jessica
    Posted March 29, 2012 at 10:35 am | Permalink

    Tempting but I’ll wait =]

  105. Praise R'hllor
    Posted March 29, 2012 at 10:37 am | Permalink

    So by the looks of its we won’t be getting alliser thorne presenting the hand to Tyrion, unless they put it in a seperate scene to the presenting of the terms? Likewise, unless we get it in a seperate scene, doesn’t look like Tyrion will be sending the men back with Cleos (sorry, Alton) to free Jaime?? Nevertheless, looks great!

  106. Maxwell James
    Posted March 29, 2012 at 11:09 am | Permalink

    the waif,

    That’s awesome, but you should probably put the whole thing under spoiler tags. There are non-readers among us.

  107. Lisa McDowell
    Posted March 29, 2012 at 12:07 pm | Permalink

    Since it is indeed Jeoffry who sent the assassin after Bran I do believe that this little clip is referring to that…not the bastards.

  108. Arthur
    Posted March 29, 2012 at 1:58 pm | Permalink

    Lisa McDowell,

    Why would Jeoffry do that?

    You are saying he is aware that Bran saw his mother and uncle having sex?

  109. Steven Swanson
    Posted March 29, 2012 at 2:07 pm | Permalink

    Arthur: Lisa McDowell, Why would Jeoffry do that?You are saying he is aware that Bran saw his mother and uncle having sex?

    Since you’re okay with books spoilers, we find out later that while at Winterfell Robert made a comment about how it would be more merciful to let Bran die than live a cripple. Joffrey, in an effort to please his distant daddy, hired a stooge and gave him that dagger from Robert’s traveling arsenal to do the deed.

  110. The Red Avenger
    Posted March 29, 2012 at 8:00 pm | Permalink

    Having been through the whole Purist v Revisionist thing with the Lord of the Rings films, I can honestly say it really isn’t worth it. Books are a different medium to tv or films or even radio adaptations – what works well in a book doesn’t necessary work well in other mediums so compromises have to be made. Sometimes it’s painful but often it is for the greater good. Take Robb for example, he’s not a POV character and he never really came to the fore until the last few episodes – the fact that he’s hardly seen in the book A Clash of Kings except for the beginning simply won’t work on screen and so either his story needs to be expanded by inventing inferred scenes or moving later scenes to an earlier time period (or both) – I imagine the same will be done for Jaime. It’s very easy to lose a character for a while in a book, it’s impossible on tv, it’s practically suicide. I have to pity the Purist who thinks that the greatest version of the book is the one they see in their head as no other will do. If that’s the case, don’t watch – the books will always be there as and when you want them. Having gone through this tedious procedure 10 years ago it really isn’t worth it. I never see the point in rabbiting on about something you don’t like incessantly unless it’s because you want to stick out like a sore thumb. I know we all have our own opinions and views and that has to be respected but remember – a purist is never happy – as I like to think of adaptations as somebody different telling the same story – they may tell it differently, they may miss things out, add things in or embellish certain things – its still the same story whichever way you look at it. Game of Thrones has been pretty faithful so far in that respect. It’s not like taking an idea and writing a completely different story around it say, like Asimov’s I, Robot – its very recognisable as the story we know and love. I think if you look at it that way, even if you are a purist – you will find much to admire.

  111. taekwonjohn
    Posted March 29, 2012 at 11:00 pm | Permalink

    Virtus,

    Interesting take. I was thinking that conversation may have been about Joffery giving the order to kill Bran Stark in Winterfell.

  112. Andy
    Posted March 30, 2012 at 6:48 am | Permalink

    David,

    “My brain says I’m receiving pain”

    Otherwise, not bad. B-

  113. Andy
    Posted March 30, 2012 at 6:55 am | Permalink

    Arthur,

    Pretend? Really?

    Do you think it unlikely that Tyrion had someone tell him exactly what happened?

  114. Knurk
    Posted March 30, 2012 at 7:24 am | Permalink

    Joshua Taylor:
    Every time Lena is brought into discussion here I double take and remember that I am not on an IMDB board. I could argue till I am blue in the face regarding an actresses performance but it really does nothing. Personally I think she’s getting better and better. But acting is very subjective, “words like grating” don’t really apply to her talent but more as how some people don’t like certain actresses. I feel it as well sometimes, not with Lena as I am a fan of her work.

    I can safely admit that I enjoyed Lena Heady a lot more in the first two episodes this season, a breath of fresh air. (still, ^- eyebrows haha)

  115. Joshua Taylor
    Posted March 30, 2012 at 7:38 am | Permalink

    Knurk,

    Good to know! Thanks for the info, as this will just stir the anticipation pot for Sunday!

  116. Tommy
    Posted March 31, 2012 at 5:58 pm | Permalink

    ha ha ha – awesome. can’t resist either.
    Lars,

  117. twincast
    Posted April 4, 2012 at 3:26 pm | Permalink

    Huh, just wanted to watch these again, but it turns out they’ve since been set to private. Odd.

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