HBO renews Game of Thrones for a third season!
By Winter Is Coming on in News.

With the great DVD/BR and international sales of season one, and now the big ratings numbers for season two, this was a foregone conclusion. But now it is official: HBO has renewed Game of Thrones for a third season! Here is the press release HBO just sent out.

HBO RENEWS GAME OF THRONES FOR THIRD SEASON
First Episode Of The Second Season Has Already Grossed 8.3 Million Viewers

LOS ANGELES, April 10, 2012 – HBO has renewed GAME OF THRONES for a third season, it was announced today by Michael Lombardo, president, HBO Programming.

“Series creators David Benioff and D.B. Weiss raised our expectations for the second season – and then surpassed them,” said Lombardo. “We are thrilled by all the viewer and media support we’ve received for the series, and can’t wait to see what Dan and David have in store for next season.”

Based on the bestselling fantasy book series by George R.R. Martin, GAME OF THRONES is an epic drama set in the world of Westeros, where ambitious men and women of both honor and ill-repute live in a land whose summers and winters can last years. The Emmy®- and Golden Globe-winning fantasy series began its ten-episode second season Sunday, April 1 (9:00-10:00 p.m. ET/PT), with other episodes debuting subsequent Sundays at the same time.

Among the early critical praise for the second season, Newsday called GAME OF THRONES “the best show on television,” while the Los Angeles Times termed the series “a cinematic feast” and “masterful.” The Wall Street Journal hailed the show as “magnificent” and USA Today called it “near perfection.”

According to early data, GAME OF THRONES’ season two premiere has already accumulated a gross audience of 8.3 million viewers, and is on track to easily surpass the season one average of 9.3 million viewers.

Season two cast members include: Emmy® and Golden Globe winner Peter Dinklage, Michelle Fairley, Lena Headey, Emilia Clarke, Nikolaj Coster-Waldau, Aidan Gillen, Iain Glen, Kit Harington, Richard Madden, Maisie Williams, Isaac Hempstead Wright, Sophie Turner, Jack Gleeson and Alfie Allen.

Season two credits: The executive producers of GAME OF THRONES are David Benioff, D.B. Weiss, Carolyn Strauss, Frank Doelger; co-executive producers, George R.R. Martin, Vanessa Taylor, Alan Taylor, Guymon Casady, Vince Gerardis; produced by Bernadette Caulfield.

Winter Is Coming: So we got our renewal, although it wasn’t for two seasons as some hoped. This is likely due to various contractual complications, and not because HBO has lost faith in the show. The way this show is trending, I am very confident we will get a season four as well, although we will have to wait until next year for it to be official. For now, we know for sure that we have another 10 episodes worth of Thrones goodness coming! Looking forward to getting into all the casting and filming discussions again!


355 Comments

  1. Entropy
    Posted April 10, 2012 at 12:50 pm | Permalink

    YES DAMMIT!!!

  2. Jonas Jakobsen
    Posted April 10, 2012 at 12:50 pm | Permalink

    Good news :)

  3. Mads Jensen
    Posted April 10, 2012 at 12:50 pm | Permalink

    The best of news!!!!!!!

  4. Chris Dunn
    Posted April 10, 2012 at 12:50 pm | Permalink

    Yay!

  5. Steve
    Posted April 10, 2012 at 12:51 pm | Permalink

    Fool’s blood, king’s blood, blood on the maiden’s thigh, but chains for the guests and chains for the bridegroom, aye aye aye.

  6. Bart McEndree
    Posted April 10, 2012 at 12:51 pm | Permalink

    Its about time.

  7. Christian Meola
    Posted April 10, 2012 at 12:53 pm | Permalink

    Awesome news. But should we read that S4 was not greenlit as a possible negative?

  8. The Rabbit
    Posted April 10, 2012 at 12:53 pm | Permalink

    Hell yessss!

    Now, back to digging ;)

  9. Valyrian
    Posted April 10, 2012 at 12:54 pm | Permalink

    I’m very far from being a book purist, but if they don’t make this into a 20 episode season, it’s doomed.

  10. tumblefell
    Posted April 10, 2012 at 12:55 pm | Permalink

    Glad they finally made it official!

  11. Mormegil
    Posted April 10, 2012 at 12:55 pm | Permalink

    Where’s the 4th Season? The Seven Gods Damn you HBO.

  12. Maxwell James
    Posted April 10, 2012 at 12:56 pm | Permalink

    It was known.

  13. Todd
    Posted April 10, 2012 at 12:56 pm | Permalink

    Right on!!!

  14. SpecialKR4
    Posted April 10, 2012 at 12:56 pm | Permalink

    Thank the Seven this is the best news I’ve had all year

  15. funk
    Posted April 10, 2012 at 12:57 pm | Permalink

    Christian Meola:
    Awesome news.But should we read that S4 was not greenlit as a possible negative?

    Goddamit you guys will bitch about anything.

  16. Jordan Healey
    Posted April 10, 2012 at 12:57 pm | Permalink

    TOM O SEVENS PLEASE

  17. Valyrian
    Posted April 10, 2012 at 12:57 pm | Permalink

    But wonderful news all the same. And they still can split it in two seasons XDDDDDDD

  18. Solar
    Posted April 10, 2012 at 12:57 pm | Permalink

    Valyrian,

    there were talks earlier that storm of swords would be two seasons. so we could have two 10 episode seasons which would be 20 episodes to cover the book.

  19. Eugene Toussaint
    Posted April 10, 2012 at 12:57 pm | Permalink

    The RED WEDDING is Coming

  20. sjwenings
    Posted April 10, 2012 at 12:57 pm | Permalink

    Christian Meola: Awesome news. But should we read that S4 was not greenlit as a possible negative?

    Its gotta be considered as negative. I don’t really see why not.

    So glad to see that season 3 is contracted, of course.

  21. Christian Meola
    Posted April 10, 2012 at 12:57 pm | Permalink

    Valyrian,

    Agree 100%. In order to maintain any fidelity to the books and to give all the massive events their due, it needs to be two seasons. They also need to give GRRM time to write more books.

  22. CurbYourEnthusiasm
    Posted April 10, 2012 at 12:58 pm | Permalink

    Valyrian,

    It says it right there in the first summary, its only half of book 3.

  23. Superdeluxe
    Posted April 10, 2012 at 12:58 pm | Permalink

    Disappointed that we didn’t get season 4 as well.

    Although now I do see

    ASOS spoiler below

    That D&D would most likely have RW at episode 9, to wrap up the show after 3 seasons if need be

  24. Andy
    Posted April 10, 2012 at 12:59 pm | Permalink

    Christian Meola,

    thinking the same thing. Dave and Dan have said they want to shoot S3&4 together, as ASoS is too big for one season. I’m sure HBO knows this and have given the old ‘wink and a nod’ about S4

  25. Crysania
    Posted April 10, 2012 at 12:59 pm | Permalink

    How funny! I had just posted this in a previous thread:

    I am sure in all of the discussion someone has mentioned this but I found it interesting. I was curious regarding when season 2 of true blood started and when it was renewed so I looked it up. It seems it premiered on June 14, 2009 and Alan Ball confirmed its renewal on July 30, 2009. It kinda puts our wait into perspective.

    I should have been spending the time it took looking up this information to check on a renewal update! Either way, very good news for GoT! This has made my day.

  26. Lady Stoneheart
    Posted April 10, 2012 at 12:59 pm | Permalink

    YES!!!!!! I too hope that the episode count gets extended..

  27. Charles
    Posted April 10, 2012 at 12:59 pm | Permalink

    I’m not really happy sorry, i expected season 4 greenlit as well and know i’m wondering what went wrong.

  28. CurbYourEnthusiasm
    Posted April 10, 2012 at 12:59 pm | Permalink

    Apologies, I thought this was posted as well.

    http://insidetv.ew.com/2012/04/10/game-of-thrones-renewed-3/

  29. Juan
    Posted April 10, 2012 at 1:00 pm | Permalink

    Any word on how many episodes will the season have? Two 10-episode seasons for SoS seems too much, taken into account that CoK has only 10 in total. I’d bet they will be two 7-8 hour seasons, bringing SoS to 14 – 16 eps.

  30. Chris
    Posted April 10, 2012 at 1:00 pm | Permalink

    If they’re filming S3 and S4 back to back, it makes sense that the green light for season 4 will likely come near the end of the current season, or after they’ve finished planning the budget for S3.

  31. Christian Meola
    Posted April 10, 2012 at 1:01 pm | Permalink

    funk,

    Not trying to bitch, I already assumed S3 was going to be greenlit and I am very happy about it. From what I have read elsewhere(EW/Hitfix) the only thing holding up negotiations was discussion of S4. Since S4 was not mentioned in this announcement, you could read it as potential bad news.

  32. Lior
    Posted April 10, 2012 at 1:01 pm | Permalink

    Only greenlighting the 3rd but not the 4th season will cramp Benioff and Weiss’s style, given the scope of “A Storm of Swords”. They will need to choose to either assume the 4th season or to cater to the possibility of non-renewal. This reminds me of what happened with seasons 4 a of Babylon 5 (see the first paragraph). Let’s hope they don’t follow JMS.

  33. Lala
    Posted April 10, 2012 at 1:01 pm | Permalink

    We want season 4 greenlit, HBO, damn you! Half of ASoS won’t work. >.<

  34. Superdeluxe
    Posted April 10, 2012 at 1:02 pm | Permalink

    Where? I think I missed that part.

    CurbYourEnthusiasm:
    Valyrian,

    It says it right there in the first summary, its only half of book 3.

  35. Michael Harper
    Posted April 10, 2012 at 1:02 pm | Permalink

    Some people are getting a bit worked up over not being renewed for a 4th season too. Can’t everybody just be happy that we’re getting a third season.

  36. Jonas Jakobsen
    Posted April 10, 2012 at 1:02 pm | Permalink

    Was hoping for two seasons as well. Guess we’ll have to wait and see if they come with some more news.

    Ending of Part 1 will probably have to be altered a bit, because Jon riding off into the distance isn’t all that exciting.

  37. Michelle
    Posted April 10, 2012 at 1:03 pm | Permalink

    Praise the Seven!

    I will worry about the second half of ASoS this time next year. I’m just relieved that I can finally sleep soundly again!

  38. Macha
    Posted April 10, 2012 at 1:03 pm | Permalink

    Wonderful news, and about time!
    ASOS seems to be a fan-favorite, so I’m sure we’ll be in for one hell of a season (well, two actually)!
    Also, everybody needs to chill. This just means they won’t be filming season 3&4 back-to-back, that’s all. I, for one, am glad that’s the case, I really couldn’t imagine how that might be possible in a year’s time. As for the young actors aging – that just isn’t a problem for me, I’m sure they’ll find a good way to handle that.

  39. Sam DeGree
    Posted April 10, 2012 at 1:04 pm | Permalink

    Superdeluxe:
    Disappointed that we didn’t get season 4 as well.

    Although now I do see

    ASOS spoiler below

    That D&D would most likely have RW at episode 9, to wrap up the show after 3 seasons if need be

    There has been quite a bit of discussion over whether the RW would be included in season 3 or 4. I’m in the camp that thinks it’s too far into the third book to be a viable splitting point, and that it would be a terrible way to end a season (trying to fit the RW into episode 9 and Joffrey’s death into episode 10 would take us nearly all of the way through SoS, at least if the general chronology remains the same).

    However, we know that D&D want more than anything to film that particular scene. Do we think D&D will hedge their bet and include it in Season 3 just to make sure it’s adapted, or are they confident enough in an eventual season 4 to put it off?

  40. Winterdark
    Posted April 10, 2012 at 1:04 pm | Permalink

    I think at this rate season 4 will probably get greenlit as well. It just takes a little longer. D&D have always said they’d split ASoS in half so that’s what will happen. Pretty sure season 3 will end with the Red Wedding It’s not all that far into the book and loads of stuff happens after it. Enough to fill another full season.

  41. Dondarrion
    Posted April 10, 2012 at 1:04 pm | Permalink

    Just one word came to mind:
    RED

  42. Conal Logan
    Posted April 10, 2012 at 1:05 pm | Permalink

    D&D have already said no to a back to back shoot. They said it would be too much to write 20 episodes in the length of time it would take to write 10.

  43. Superdeluxe
    Posted April 10, 2012 at 1:06 pm | Permalink

    Well in that EW article it states that they wanted to at least get to season 3 because two of their favorite scenes would be in that season

    Sam DeGree: There has been quite a bit of discussion over whether the RW would be included in season 3 or 4. I’m in the camp that thinks it’s too far into the third book to be a viable splitting point, and that it would be a terrible way to end a season (trying to fit the RW into episode 9 and Joffrey’s death into episode 10 would take us nearly all of the way through SoS, at least if the general chronology remains the same).

    However, we know that D&D want more than anything to film that particular scene. Do we think D&D will hedge their bet and include it in Season 3 just to make sure it’s adapted, or are they confident enough in an eventual season 4 to put it off?

  44. Connor
    Posted April 10, 2012 at 1:07 pm | Permalink

    Christian Meola,

    No with shows this big they take it one step at a time

  45. funlight
    Posted April 10, 2012 at 1:07 pm | Permalink

    Superdeluxe:
    Disappointed that we didn’t get season 4 as well.

    Although now I do see

    ASOS spoiler below

    That D&D would most likely have RW at episode 9, to wrap up the show after 3 seasons if need be

    Yeah, one of their goals seemed to shoot that one. I wonder if it’s possible for the scene to air unspoiled for the majority of the audience. There are a lot of idiots on the Internet. But, then again, the average viewer might not lurk around in the comment section of Youtube and similar sites …

  46. CurbYourEnthusiasm
    Posted April 10, 2012 at 1:08 pm | Permalink

    CurbYourEnthusiasm: Apologies, I thought this was posted as well.http://insidetv.ew.com/2012/04/10/game-of-thrones-renewed-3/

    For anyone who missed it, this link mentions it being only half of book 3. Which is undeniably good news.

  47. sjwenings
    Posted April 10, 2012 at 1:08 pm | Permalink

    Michael Harper: Some people are getting a bit worked up over not being renewed for a 4th season too. Can’t everybody just be happy that we’re getting a third season.

    Since most basically took a 3rd season for granted, and had high hopes for a 4th season-renewal, this news was basically “no renewal for season 4… yet”.

  48. Lars
    Posted April 10, 2012 at 1:10 pm | Permalink

    Juan:
    Any word on how many episodes will the season have? Two 10-episode seasons for SoS seems too much, taken into account that CoK has only 10 in total. I’d bet they will be two 7-8 hour seasons, bringing SoS to 14 – 16 eps.

      

    No, they are NOT adapting individual books!

    Season 3 WILL be 10 episodes, and they’ll cover as much of book 3 as they can. The rest will happen in season 4.

  49. Ser Raybat
    Posted April 10, 2012 at 1:10 pm | Permalink

    WOOHOO!!! That is really great that GoT has been renewed for another spectacular season, bringing ASOS to life. As I recall, there was a discussion about shooting two season simultaneously, because the children are growing fast in between seasons. So wondering if season 4 was also approved , even if is hush-hush. Bring on the Blackfish already!

  50. Lars
    Posted April 10, 2012 at 1:11 pm | Permalink

    Chris:
    If they’re filming S3 and S4 back to back, it makes sense that the green light for season 4 will likely come near the end of the current season, or after they’ve finished planning the budget for S3.

    They will not film back-to-back. Actor and production schedules would be too tricky to change.

  51. Chris
    Posted April 10, 2012 at 1:14 pm | Permalink

    I had no idea the back to back rumors were shot down. There’s only so much coverage I can absorb without letting a few tidbits of info here and there fall between the cracks.

  52. Alan
    Posted April 10, 2012 at 1:14 pm | Permalink

    Guys, there’s no benefit to HBO announcing a multiple season renewal here.

    1) D&D have already said it would impossible to shoot the two together. Too much work — 10 episodes is enough and while there would be economies of scale, trying to get the scripts, locations, costumes, sets, etc., altogether on the timeline would impossible. Perhaps it was posed with a delay but HBO said no, perhaps not.

    2) HBO retains the ability to cancel the show without contractual issues or PR egg on their face if the ratings tank or if something happens. No one wants to give up flexibility for no apparent gain.

    3) The gains of some fans being happy for four is less than the ability to get a press release out for this at this time next year. This is the least important, but really, what would HBO get out of a multiple-season renewal when contractually in terms of actors, etc., people are already locked in?

  53. ryra
    Posted April 10, 2012 at 1:16 pm | Permalink

    I just hope they’ll do a good job with book 3 adaptation, it’s definitely my favourite part of the story and there are a lot of great chapters/scenes in it I really can’t wait to see on screen

    If season 4 is meant to be “season 3-part 2″ it’d be quite depressing to have not the greenlight but I hope HBO won’t be so cruel with us^^

  54. Arthur
    Posted April 10, 2012 at 1:16 pm | Permalink

    Any details on the season 3 budget?

  55. tysnow
    Posted April 10, 2012 at 1:17 pm | Permalink

    Thank you HBO and D&D, I can officially stop being paranoid, at least for one more year.

    Concerning the 4th season, D&D have said even though SoS would almost take two seasons to film, they are not bogged down by keeping the show structured with the books. Therefore we know some ACoK is in season 3 and some SoS is at the end of season two, so more than likely the last 3-4 episodes of season 4 will include mostly (if not all) material from Feast and Dances.

    I have a hunch there might be a few changes to RW, mainly concerning who lives and who dies, perhaps someone gets captured instead of you know what, though the viewers won’t realize till the next season (thinking them dead).

  56. fake-o name-o
    Posted April 10, 2012 at 1:17 pm | Permalink

    Completely guessing here, but I’d imagine they couldn’t announce renewal for season 4 without agreeing on a budget for season 4. D&D probably want a LOT of money for that season, and HBO couldn’t agree to it this far out. Hopefully the performance of seasons 2&3 will help them get there.

  57. TheBull
    Posted April 10, 2012 at 1:18 pm | Permalink

    I think the chances of us getting a 4th season are very good so I hope D&D write it out with the assumption that they will get 20 episodes. But either way, not knowing makes things more difficult for them.

  58. Pastor_of_Muppets
    Posted April 10, 2012 at 1:19 pm | Permalink

    I think it was a wise move to only give a third season the greenlight. Making this show, as David & Dan have mentioned several times, is a year long task. That’s for ten episodes. If I were an executive at HBO, I’d have only greenlit the third season as well, for the simple fact that that is where their sole focus should be. D&D have to make sure that every season works individually and as part of a larger whole. I think that giving two seasons the go-ahead would have been detrimental to the quality of both. These two seasons for ASoS were never going to be filmed back-to-back, and it was a bit silly to expect that to happen. This way, David and Dan can make sure that they craft a third season that will work dramatically and thematically within the framework of the first two seasons and what is to come after.

    On a side-note, these comments sections are becoming more and more of a chore to enjoy, due to overwhelmingly nit-picky commentators and unsubstantiated negativity. Tone it down, people. Have a Xanax, and be thankful that A Song of Ice & Fire is receiving ONE OF THE MOST FAITHFUL SCREEN ADAPTATIONS EVER, despite the changes made.

  59. Sam DeGree
    Posted April 10, 2012 at 1:19 pm | Permalink

    Superdeluxe:
    Well in that EW article it states that they wanted to at least get to season 3 because two of their favorite scenes would be in that season

    But I’m fairly certain the EW article is merely citing old D&D comments, and they refer to adapting book 3, not necessarily season 3 of the show. I could be wrong.

    EDIT: Hibberd seems to think it will happen in season 3, given his “save the date!” comment…hilarious.

  60. Superdeluxe
    Posted April 10, 2012 at 1:22 pm | Permalink

    That appeared to be the reporter making a guess about it, and nothing in the press release or official statement. All that seemed was a guess.

    CurbYourEnthusiasm: That D&D would most likely have RW at episode 9, to wrap up the show after 3 seasons if need be

  61. From Chaos
    Posted April 10, 2012 at 1:26 pm | Permalink

    People on this site sure have gotten greedy, it was a lot nicer when people were just glad they were even trying to do the series. Now its all about ranting about miniscule changes from the book and not getting 20 episodes greenlit at a time.

  62. A Bear_A Bear
    Posted April 10, 2012 at 1:28 pm | Permalink

    I think I’m in the camp who thinks that the Red Wedding would provide an absolutely stunning finale for Season 3. I think it’s more than clear by now that each season isn’t going to be a straight adaptation of a single novel (or even half a novel), that elements will be pushed back or brought forward as and when the demands of running the show and the different medium dictate it. Indeed, if we ever get as far as Feast for Crows/Dance with Dragons, the narrative is going to end up mixed up and reordered far more dramatically in order to make it work as television.

    As for a S4 greenlight – I’m sure barring a dramatic drop-off in interest and critical acclaim (which doesn’t seem likely at the moment), it will come, even if we have to wait another year for it. Everything I read about HBO indicates to me that they realise the massive mistakes that were made with Carnivale, Deadwood, Rome etc and are determined not to repeat them (especially as GoT already seems to be a bigger hit, in terms of numbers at any rate, than any of those shows were).

  63. Handmaiden of Dany
    Posted April 10, 2012 at 1:29 pm | Permalink

    YAY!!!!

  64. Remy
    Posted April 10, 2012 at 1:30 pm | Permalink

    The problem with Green lighting season 4 is that D&D are the primary, sole writers of the show and they don’t have time to write 20 episodes at once. Also if they did that it, there would be a delay in HBO’s schedule to show season 3 of GOT and huge budget concerns. HBO wants a spring, summer, winter and fall main series that runs at the same time of the year, every year.

  65. The Greatjon
    Posted April 10, 2012 at 1:33 pm | Permalink

    Jesus, you guys really will complain about anything, I thought people would be jumping for joy, and people are still actually complaining?

    Isn’t it normal that shows only greenlight one season at a time? I’ve never seen a show get greenlit two seasons before they aired, I could be wrong, either way, stop complaining, this is great news.

    I’m not really happy sorry, i expected season 4 greenlit as well and know i’m wondering what went wrong.

  66. BGAP
    Posted April 10, 2012 at 1:36 pm | Permalink

    Unless something seriously tanks the show this season, (an entire episode of only sexposition?) there will be a 4th season, given a huge international following, and massive numbers of fans who will buy season 2 on DVD/BR next year.

  67. A Bear_A Bear
    Posted April 10, 2012 at 1:38 pm | Permalink

    Pastor_of_Muppets:On a side-note, these comments sections are becoming more and more of a chore to enjoy, due to overwhelmingly nit-picky commentators and unsubstantiated negativity. Tone it down, people. Have a Xanax, and be thankful that A Song of Ice & Fire is receiving ONE OF THE MOST FAITHFUL SCREEN ADAPTATIONS EVER, despite the changes made.

    Hear, hear!

  68. Lex
    Posted April 10, 2012 at 1:39 pm | Permalink

    Great news!

    As for the whole 2-seasons-back-to-back thing… while I AM a little worried about the aging of the children (e.g. Isaac’s voice deepening between seasons would be awkward), that potential problem also has to be weighed against the far more serious potential problem of catching up to GRRM and passing him before he’s had a chance to finish the series.

  69. Maxim Benio
    Posted April 10, 2012 at 1:40 pm | Permalink

    Great news!

  70. Elena Amici
    Posted April 10, 2012 at 1:40 pm | Permalink

    Andy: Dave and Dan have said they want to shoot S3&4 together, as ASoS is too big for one season.

    yep, this is what i was thinking too. How are they going to do that? I don’t think they can after HBO ordered only another season..

  71. Chris
    Posted April 10, 2012 at 1:42 pm | Permalink

    I feel like there are just as many people complaining about the complainers as there are people complaining about no current S4 greenlight.

    It’s obvious the back-to-back filming speculation was more widely spread around than the quote shooting it down. So it makes sense for people who didn’t get the memo to be a little confused.

    Either way I’m cool with it. D&D have already made it clear they’re not going to follow the book order to a T. Whatever they need to do to make things work is fine by me, and I highly doubt they’ll let split seasons get in the way of the excellence of the story.

  72. Joshua Taylor
    Posted April 10, 2012 at 1:43 pm | Permalink

    Awesome news!

    Did anyone read Hibberd’s report? “Save the date!” hee hee!

    And the negativity on this site is maddening. I really don’t think anyone will be happy until the series completes its whole run.

  73. John W
    Posted April 10, 2012 at 1:45 pm | Permalink

    Happy Happy Joy Joy!

  74. Pastor_of_Muppets
    Posted April 10, 2012 at 1:45 pm | Permalink

    DavId & Dan specifically said that it wouldn’t be feasible to shoot two seasons back-to-back, so anyone claiming that that was their intention is, in a word, wrong.

  75. Hawk
    Posted April 10, 2012 at 1:46 pm | Permalink

    great news…as long as the show continues to hold viewers and keep it’s critical edge seasons four and beyond are foregone conclusions…

    if they end season 3 where they say they want to, season 4 will be the latter half of ASoS and the beginnings of AFfC, as the early ironborn chapters in the latter book take place before the end of Storm…in any event season 4 is where the producers/writers will really have to start juggling scenes from three different books given the concurrent story lines of Feast and Dance…if they see Storm as two seasons they will likely need seasons 5, 6, and possibly 7 to cover the remainder of Feast and all of Dance, which is as big as Storm…

    if they get to season 4 I hope they will be able to work the narrative enough to end that season with certain characters right where they finish up at the end of Storm, b/c that book has a nice sense of completion to it unlike Feast and Dance…

  76. Syrio
    Posted April 10, 2012 at 1:48 pm | Permalink

    Ending season 3 at the Red Wedding would be a terrible idea.

    It would be way to depressing and possibly lose viewers for season 4.

    What they should do is Have it happen in episode 9. Much like Ned’s death in season 1, and have some uplifting things happen in episode 10. Like Dany conquering Yunkai, Stannis comes to Jon’s rescue at the wall, Joffrey’s death, etc. So that the audience will feel that have something to look forward to in season 4.

  77. Mormegil
    Posted April 10, 2012 at 1:49 pm | Permalink

    Remy: The problem with Green lighting season 4 is that D&D are the primary, sole writers of the show and they don’t have time to write 20 episodes at once

    Greenlighting Season 4 would not mean they would have to do this, they would however have the knowledge that they had the 2 seasons they want to tell the SoS section of the story.

  78. Jon
    Posted April 10, 2012 at 1:49 pm | Permalink

    Joshua Taylor,

    You think they will be happy even then? I have been a fan of this series since 1997 and I could not be happier with the job HBO has done. The series has more fans because of the concise writing/cutting while sticking to the main narratives.

  79. Hi-Fi
    Posted April 10, 2012 at 1:50 pm | Permalink

    OMG OMG OMG

    Mance Rayder
    Mace Tyrell
    Queen of Thornes
    Tormund
    Val
    Tom Sevenstrings
    Lem Lemoncloack
    Thoros
    Beric
    Qyburn
    Oberyn “Red Viper” of Dorne
    Ellaria Sand
    Daario Naharis
    Coldhands
    RED
    RED
    RED
    RED
    RED

    Excited!

  80. Macha
    Posted April 10, 2012 at 1:51 pm | Permalink

    Lex:

    the far more serious potential problem of catching up to GRRM and passing him before he’s had a chance to finish the series.

    THIS is the only problem I see for the show, thankfully we don’t have to worry about that for the time being, but it’ll be very interesting to see what will happen if we get there. Actually, my memory escapes me, do we know of any other adaptation where this occurred?

  81. Alan
    Posted April 10, 2012 at 1:51 pm | Permalink

    Pastor_of_Muppets:
    DavId & Dan specifically said that it wouldn’t be feasible to shoot two seasons back-to-back, so anyone claiming that that was their intention is, in a word, wrong.

    To clarify your point, D&D have said that the plot points of Book 3 will need to be about two seasons. They’ve also said that some of Book 2 could go into Season 3 and some of Book 3 could go into season 2. But in general, they’ve said they will need two seasons for Book 3, even if that is not exact.

    The filmed together rumor was separate and they’ve never said that. In fact, they have recently denied it, citing impracticality in workload. It was likely created by someone else who realized it would be cheaper (it would) and thought that might be a priority. But it apparently is not to be.

    You do not need to film two seasons together to break up Book 3 into roughly two seasons.

  82. Alan
    Posted April 10, 2012 at 1:55 pm | Permalink

    tysnow:
    Thank you HBO and D&D, I can officially stop being paranoid, at least for one more year.

    Concerning the 4th season, D&D have said even though SoS would almost take two seasons to film, they are not bogged down by keeping the show structured with the books. Therefore we know some ACoK is in season 3 and some SoS is at the end of season two, so more than likely the last 3-4 episodes of season 4 will include mostly (if not all) material from Feast and Dances.

    I have a hunch there might be a few changes to RW, mainly concerning who lives and who dies, perhaps someone gets captured instead of you know what, though the viewers won’t realize till the next season (thinking them dead).

    They’ve repeatedly said that’s a favorite scene; I’d think it is mostly safe. Frankly, I’m not a book purist, but I’d be very unhappy with a divergence there, for whatever reason.

    It is perfect as is, with a tremendous amount of impact. Changing it will lessen it. The accolades given to “Baelor” will come here in droves, but if they change it, the level of scorn will be ridiculous. Adding Ros is not a big deal to me. Screwing this up would be.

  83. Hawk
    Posted April 10, 2012 at 1:58 pm | Permalink

    Alan,

    I would accept another two seasons of Ros if she can get herself an invite to the RW

  84. Weirwood
    Posted April 10, 2012 at 1:58 pm | Permalink

    Pastor_of_Muppets:

    On a side-note, these comments sections are becoming more and more of a chore to enjoy, due to overwhelmingly nit-picky commentators and unsubstantiated negativity. Tone it down, people. Have a Xanax, and be thankful that A Song of Ice & Fire is receiving ONE OF THE MOST FAITHFUL SCREEN ADAPTATIONS EVER, despite the changes made.

    ^^^^^^ This! This a thousand times!

    I completely agree.

  85. Mimsy
    Posted April 10, 2012 at 1:59 pm | Permalink

    The non reading critics are going to be BLOWN away by Season 3. ACOK barely touches the surface of all the hand wringing excitement of the books. If the books were a roller coaster, ACOK would be the uphill journey to the peak of the ride. When Blackwater hits, it’s a freewheeling good time with more ups and downs and twists and turns that will make you SICK!! lol

    I’m so excited! I’m going to enjoy this season even more knowing that more is on its’ way. What a relief!

  86. MW
    Posted April 10, 2012 at 2:00 pm | Permalink

    Time to start speculating about where in the story the 3rd season will end. Most of the action takes place in the latter half of SoS so they might want to do some minor reorganization of events.

  87. darquemode
    Posted April 10, 2012 at 2:00 pm | Permalink

    I’m actually happy and excited it turned out to be a single season renewal!

    That means we will have our usual 6-8 month period of casting news, filming news and set spoilers to chew on and be entertained by in the off-season. If they did film back-to-back seasons we may actually be getting set news while Season 3 was airing and there would be far less new information as Season 4 approached.

  88. Syrio
    Posted April 10, 2012 at 2:01 pm | Permalink

    Ros is clearly set up as the replacement for Chataya, I also would not be surprised if later on the prostitute that Cersei’s tortures by mistake will be Ros instead of random prostitute that the audience doesn’t care about

  89. Jaime Lannister
    Posted April 10, 2012 at 2:05 pm | Permalink

    Sorry guys, apparently we need to cut Mance Rayder so that we can give Ros (Lady of Winterfell in a small change to the story) more screentime.

  90. Belwas's Stool
    Posted April 10, 2012 at 2:06 pm | Permalink

    Alan is correct here. Once the filming of back to back seasons was shot down there’s no advantage to HBO renewing for a 4th season too. I believe that’s where the 2 season renewal rumor came from.

  91. Weirwood
    Posted April 10, 2012 at 2:06 pm | Permalink

    From Chaos:
    People on this site sure have gotten greedy, it was a lot nicer when people were just glad they were even trying to do the series. Now its all about ranting about miniscule changes from the book and not getting 20 episodes greenlit at a time.

    I know a few other people have written this as well (regarding the comments this year compared to last) and I am in complete agreement. Last season, it was a joy to celebrate this show with fellow fans. This season, these boards seem to be filled with too many negative nancies. I guess popularity truly does breed contempt.

  92. Steve
    Posted April 10, 2012 at 2:09 pm | Permalink

    Jaime Lannister,

    How was Mance Rayder cut? He was never supposed to appear in book 2, as he doesn’t make an appearance until book 3.

    So stop complaining about changes to the books if you don’t even know how to read them carefully to begin with.

  93. serum
    Posted April 10, 2012 at 2:12 pm | Permalink

    best news this year!!!

  94. Lex
    Posted April 10, 2012 at 2:13 pm | Permalink

    Steve:
    Jaime Lannister,

    So stop complaining about changes to the books if you don’t even know how to read them carefully to begin with.

    +1

    Nothing more annoying than seeing people say stuff like “WTF, HBO made Loras and Renly gay!” or “WTF, Stannis would never sleep with Melisandre!”.

  95. Charles
    Posted April 10, 2012 at 2:14 pm | Permalink

    The Greatjon,

    EVERYONE expected 2 seasons. The guys here, the guys at westeros. It has to be a dissapointment to quite a lot of people,even some who aren’t saying to be positive.

  96. Jonas Jakobsen
    Posted April 10, 2012 at 2:15 pm | Permalink

    Syrio,

    This is what I and others have been mentioning over and over again, but it seems some book readers are so oblivious and just keep going “What’s the point of Ros?”

  97. dizzy_34
    Posted April 10, 2012 at 2:18 pm | Permalink

    Good news! Now on commence with the Ros bitching…

  98. King In The North
    Posted April 10, 2012 at 2:18 pm | Permalink

    RED VIPER!!! So do we think he will be cast for season 3 or will he be held off until 4? Cant wait to see THAT duel!

  99. Jaime Lannister
    Posted April 10, 2012 at 2:18 pm | Permalink

    Steve,

    While I’m sure you’re not a complete idiot, I think I’ll spell the point I was trying to make (the one that clearly flew over that little head of yours) out for the sake of any other mildly ignorant viewers:

    Cutting major characters (like Ramsay Bolton) so that complete tripe-mongers like Ros can dick about on-screen is stupid. Hopefully they don’t make the same mistake with any other major characters with major roles to play down the line, or before long we’ll be seeing even more massive figures cut because Dave and Dan need to bow down to HBO’s little T&A quota. Hence the Mance comparison.

    Live long and prosper Steve; thanks for your time.

  100. Blueberry2
    Posted April 10, 2012 at 2:18 pm | Permalink

    It’s good news. Can’t wait for Mance Rayder. As far as renewing both season 3 and 4, I don’t think ANY HBO show has ever been renewed for 2 seasons at once, as far as I know. I could be wrong. So I wouldn’t worry. I’m more worried about how they’ll handle Feast/Dance to make them flow better than the books did. I’d guess they would move up the battles at Winterfell and Mereen that are going to be opening TWOW and were supposed to conclude ADWD

  101. Winter Is Coming
    Posted April 10, 2012 at 2:19 pm | Permalink

    Charles, I wouldn’t say I was expecting a two season renewal, just hopeful. It would be sort of unprecedented though, so I wasn’t shocked when it didn’t happen.

    I also don’t really mind because I am so confident of a season four that whether they want to announce it now or later makes no difference to me.

  102. Steve
    Posted April 10, 2012 at 2:24 pm | Permalink

    Hi-Fi,

    If this is true expect the casting department to clear up so ‘capspace’

    So goodbye to (MAJOR SPOILERS for those who haven’t read): Renly, Rodrik, Luwin, Jeor, and perhaps Theon, Balon, Rickon and Osha

  103. Superdeluxe
    Posted April 10, 2012 at 2:25 pm | Permalink

    True or not, the perception was that people were expecting 2 seasons with this.

    Ryan McGee ‏ @TVMcGee

    We obviously don’t know all the details, but HBO renewing #GOT for only 1 season is the only thing that could have dulled this show’s buzz.

    Charles:
    The Greatjon,

    EVERYONE expected 2 seasons. The guys here, the guys at westeros. It has to be a dissapointment to quite a lot of people,even some who aren’t saying to be positive.

  104. Steve
    Posted April 10, 2012 at 2:25 pm | Permalink

    Hey! Two Steves? Now I look like a jerk.

  105. Meteorology
    Posted April 10, 2012 at 2:25 pm | Permalink

    Blueberry2:
    It’s good news. Can’t wait for Mance Rayder. As far as renewing both season 3 and 4, I don’t think ANY HBO show has ever been renewed for 2 seasons at once, as far as I know. I could be wrong. So I wouldn’t worry. I’m more worried about how they’ll handle Feast/Dance to make them flow better than the books did. I’d guess they would move up the battles at Winterfell and Mereen that are going to be opening TWOW and were supposed to conclude ADWD

    Actually, True Blood Season 3 and 4 were announced on the same day. But TB is also a lot cheaper to produce :)

  106. Katie
    Posted April 10, 2012 at 2:28 pm | Permalink

    Why would not getting a green light for Season 4 be bad news? I’ll be honest, due to it’s popularity I was expecting a Season 4 renewal as well, but not because they would be shooting the two seasons back to back. That idea was squashed in a recent interview with David and Dan where they pretty much said it’d be impossible to write both of these seasons at one time.

    Let’s be real, Game of Thrones is a hugely expensive endeavor. It’d be a herculean show of faith to renew this series for two seasons at once. In this economy, that’s probably not the smartest move to make, at least not right now.

    Also, (and just hypothesizing here, I might be wrong), not renewing it for two seasons means that the company could feel more comfortable expanding the budget again for this one season. If they had to think about stretching the budget for two years, psychologically that might freak them out and make them hold back some (much needed) cash.

  107. DH87
    Posted April 10, 2012 at 2:28 pm | Permalink

    Alan,

    I believe I heard the “filmed together” rumor reported here based on info disseminated about availability of the Paint Hall. That and the children’s ages made it viable at the time.

    Edit to add: We should be prepared for an Arya who looks like Miley Cyrus in eighteen months, however. :)

  108. Katie
    Posted April 10, 2012 at 2:31 pm | Permalink

    Hi-Fi,

    Hi-Fi: OMG OMG OMG

    Mance Rayder
    Mace Tyrell
    Queen of Thornes
    Tormund
    Val
    Tom Sevenstrings
    Lem Lemoncloack
    Thoros
    Beric
    Qyburn
    Oberyn “Red Viper” of Dorne
    Ellaria Sand
    Daario Naharis
    Coldhands
    RED
    RED
    RED
    RED
    RED

    Excited!

    YES, THIS. :D

  109. GrandmaFunk
    Posted April 10, 2012 at 2:32 pm | Permalink

    I think it makes sense to keep season 4 mysterious, if they green lit it early, contracts would have to be settled and then ppl would be wondering why Richard Madden’s contract isn’t renewed

    as for the structure of the seasons..whether it gets a 4th season or not, having episode 9 be the red wedding and episode 10 being joffrey’s wedding.Also, delay dany’s purchase/liberation of the unsullied because that scene is probably the most epic of the entire series and would make a great last scene for the finale.

    If they do get season 4, they can focus it on dany’s military campaign, arya&sandor, sansa at the eyrie, etc..

  110. Otia Dant Vitia
    Posted April 10, 2012 at 2:32 pm | Permalink

    Off topic – but nice interview with Maisie Williams on sky.com. Talks about a big twist involving her and Charles Dance. Hmmm

  111. James
    Posted April 10, 2012 at 2:34 pm | Permalink

    This is great news. On a side note, I don’t think we’ll end up getting a full 20 episode book 3. So where people are predicting 3 might end could be very possible. Here’s how I see it.
    Season 3: 3/4 of SoS
    Season 4: Remainder of SoS (4 episodes) with chronologically ordered scenes of AFFC and ADWD
    Season 5: Remainder of AFFC and ADWD (because honestly, half of the stuff in the book was exposition anyway and people usually in the same areas. They could cut 30% of the book and still make sense.
    Season 6: Anything they missed in AFFC/ADWD and maybe 8 episodes dedicated to Winds.

    In the end we might still end with 7 seasons for 7 books.

  112. jkb
    Posted April 10, 2012 at 2:36 pm | Permalink

    imagine the numbers on season 4 premiere if they end s3 with RW. holy shit.

  113. Ismael Isak
    Posted April 10, 2012 at 2:37 pm | Permalink

    Oh my god i’m so happy they made it official. But i think 12 episodes would be perfect to make enough room for everyones storyline. I mean Jon and Dany go through a lot in book 3. Also if it is done correctly the ending for season 3 will be the most shocking ending ever for a show.

  114. Lala
    Posted April 10, 2012 at 2:38 pm | Permalink

    Mance Rayder
    Mace Tyrell
    Queen of Thornes
    Tormund
    Val
    Tom Sevenstrings
    Lem Lemoncloack
    Thoros
    Beric
    Qyburn
    Oberyn “Red Viper” of Dorne
    Ellaria Sand
    Daario Naharis
    Coldhands

    The way this show is following the books and the characters, we’ll be lucky if we get Beric, Daario and Coldhands. :P

  115. Superdeluxe
    Posted April 10, 2012 at 2:39 pm | Permalink

    You would lose a ton of audience.

    jkb:
    imagine the numbers on season 4 premiere if they end s3 with RW. holy shit.

  116. darquemode
    Posted April 10, 2012 at 2:40 pm | Permalink

    Jaime Lannister,

    Actually Ser Jaime, you may have missed the point. D&D are not making scenes FOR Ros. She is a tool that allows them to let other characters have more screen time and to get some exposition in they feel needs to be added. Last episode’s brothel scene was all about getting Littlefinger a scene and had very little to do with Ros actually. Likewise the large majority of her scenes in Season 1 were the same way.

    If they remove Ros they will just add some nameless naked woman and still have basically the same scenes. Ros in no way has an effect on what characters do not make it to the series with the possible exceptions of Chataya, Alayaya and other whores of Littlefinger (who she appears to be replacing).

  117. HERP-DERP
    Posted April 10, 2012 at 2:41 pm | Permalink

    Wow.. I am actually surprised it got renewed… I thought the ratings for season 2 were so high only because season 1 was brilliant and fans were hoping season 2 would be the same.. but so far season 2 has been, if anything, less than mediocre..

  118. DigDoug
    Posted April 10, 2012 at 2:43 pm | Permalink

    Hurray. We get our 3.

  119. Chrysee
    Posted April 10, 2012 at 2:45 pm | Permalink

    Based on how much some people have bitched about the first two episodes, I’m surprised people even want the show renewed at all let alone for two more seasons. No one is ever happy with anything. :P

  120. the goat
    Posted April 10, 2012 at 2:46 pm | Permalink

    Praise R’hllor!!!

    Superdeluxe:
    True or not, the perception was that people were expecting 2 seasons with this.

    Ryan McGee ‏ @TVMcGee

    We obviously don’t know all the details, but HBO renewing #GOT for only 1 season is the only thing that could have dulled this show’s buzz.

    omg, some douchebag blogger wrote a tweet! Therefore, it must be true! Thank the seven that we have Ryan McGee, whoever the fuck he is, to tell us all how to feel!

    Ffs, this shit is worse than the annual Bowie/Smiths Coachella rumors. I heart the interwebz.

    http://tinypic.com/r/2lkzght/5

  121. Winter Is Coming
    Posted April 10, 2012 at 2:47 pm | Permalink

    Chrysee:
    Based on how much some people have bitched about the first two episodes, I’m surprised people even want the show renewed at all let alone for two more seasons. No one is ever happy with anything. :P

    Vocal minority and all that.

  122. Fish
    Posted April 10, 2012 at 2:48 pm | Permalink

    Glad to see it’s official, you never know… i have seen to many good shows canceled to “believe” it will get renewed

  123. Hawk
    Posted April 10, 2012 at 2:48 pm | Permalink

    Superdeluxe:
    You would lose a ton of audience.

    there is no logic to this at all…if that event causes the show to lose audience it will lose them regardless of when it airs…

  124. Shinyteapot
    Posted April 10, 2012 at 2:50 pm | Permalink

    Great news. There was never more than hopeful speculation about a S4 greenlight as well so I’m not at all worried. Let the showrunners concentrate on one year at a time. They probably already have the rough sequence of events sorted out.

    After S1&2, audiences may see a pattern of having a big event in ep9 and the aftermath in the finale. So I hope they break that in S3 and have the big event in ep8 (depending on how much of SOS gets moved up to S2 and/or moved about within S3 it’s possible) and a surprising second big event in ep10.

    That would leave about 1/3 series from SOS to add to the start of the following books for S4, the remainder of those plus hopefully a couple of events from the start of TWOW for S5 and beyond that it depends on what GRRM writes next.

  125. Lars
    Posted April 10, 2012 at 2:51 pm | Permalink

    HERP-DERP:
    Wow.. I am actually surprised it got renewed… I thought the ratings for season 2 were so high only because season 1 was brilliant and fans were hoping season 2 would be the same.. but so far season 2 has been, if anything, less than mediocre..

    LOL. You are surprised? Thanks for noting that so we can judge your future prognostications appropriately.

  126. LL
    Posted April 10, 2012 at 2:51 pm | Permalink

    You’ve made my day :-D

  127. Superdeluxe
    Posted April 10, 2012 at 2:52 pm | Permalink

    I didn’t say it was true, I said that might be the perception, right or wrong.

    the goat:
    Praise R’hllor!!!

    omg, some douchebag blogger wrote a tweet!Therefore, it must be true!Thank the seven that we have Ryan McGee, whoever the fuck he is, to tell us all how to feel!

    Ffs, this shit is worse than the annual Bowie/Smiths Coachella rumors.I heart the interwebz.

    http://tinypic.com/r/2lkzght/5

  128. Superdeluxe
    Posted April 10, 2012 at 2:54 pm | Permalink

    Not true,

    Remember when you were reading the book at least you were able to to keep reading after the RW, so you can keep on progressing the story. You end season 3 with RW, and you can’t keep on with the story. You are stuck

    That is why you should have the RW in episode 9 then end the season with some hope by Killing Joffrey

    Hawk: there is no logic to this at all…if that event causes the show to lose audience it will lose them regardless of when it airs…

  129. gswelcome
    Posted April 10, 2012 at 2:54 pm | Permalink

    Got a big smile on my face thanks to this news, made my day!

  130. James
    Posted April 10, 2012 at 2:54 pm | Permalink

    I wonder about the consequences of the Red Wedding. I mean, sure, Ned got killed and people stayed watching – but I remember reading the book and thinking that I needed the catharsis of seeing Joffrey die. I wanted retribution. As it is, though Joffrey does die, it is still pretty painful. I wonder if people will think that ‘this is too much, I can’t take anymore misery’ and give up. Not that I want them to change it – it’s still a magnificent scene and integral to the books and their tone. But I’m realistic to the possibility that will people will walk away, and that this could spell the end of the show. So be it, if need be – I would rather it was faithful with 3 seasons then mutilated with 9. But the longevity is a question: I mean, come on – Season 1 = Ned dies, Season 2 = Winterfell is burned and everybody inside is massacred, Season 3 = Robb, Catelyn and a bunch of northerners are butchered. Unless they offer some kind of payoff – Joffrey dieing, Catelyn resurrected, Tywin dying – something that kind of redresses the balance, we might well see a drop off.

  131. sheryl siminoff
    Posted April 10, 2012 at 2:55 pm | Permalink

    Does anyone know if Season 3 be based on the third Novel. And which characters will be cast?

  132. Clob
    Posted April 10, 2012 at 3:00 pm | Permalink

    Who knows if it will be part of season 3 or not, but I really look forward to Tyrion’s 8th chapter in ASoS – with a certain feast, wine glass and prick finally getting what’s deserved

  133. jkb
    Posted April 10, 2012 at 3:00 pm | Permalink

    Superdeluxe:

    Remember when you were reading the book at least you were able to to keep reading after the RW, so you can keep on progressing the story.You end season 3 with RW, and you can’t keep on with the story.You are stuck

    yes, that’s how cliffhangers usually work ;p

  134. skipdutch
    Posted April 10, 2012 at 3:01 pm | Permalink

    Hawk,

    There is a great deal of logic to that, actually. If they ended season I with Ned at the Sept of Baelor, alot of people would not have returned the following year, since they don’t want to commit to a whole season of characters they don’t care about after a favorite dies.
    You end the season on an up note. You give closure, and something to look forward to (that event is the Joffrey’s death (YAY, that bastard died!)); and something to bring the viewers back (Tyrion arrested! what will become of Arya!how is Battle playing out up north of the wall, Sansa is with Littlefinger!? WTF…)

  135. sjwenings
    Posted April 10, 2012 at 3:02 pm | Permalink

    sheryl siminoff: Does anyone know if Season 3 be based on the third Novel. And which characters will be cast?

    Everyone but you knows that it will be based on the 3rd novel. But only 2/3ds or so. The rest of book 3 will be covered in season 4. We don’t know which new characters will be cast, though.

  136. The Kingslayer
    Posted April 10, 2012 at 3:03 pm | Permalink

    They gotta make it 12 episodes, even with splitting the book they still need the extra episodes.

  137. MATTHEW
    Posted April 10, 2012 at 3:07 pm | Permalink

    So excited!!!! Based on last year’s timetable, when will they start making casting announcements? June or July-ish?

  138. tumblefell
    Posted April 10, 2012 at 3:07 pm | Permalink

    James:
    I wonder about the consequences of the Red Wedding.I mean, sure, Ned got killed and people stayed watching – but I remember reading the book and thinking that I needed the catharsis of seeing Joffrey die.I wanted retribution.As it is, though Joffrey does die, it is still pretty painful.I wonder if people will think that ‘this is too much, I can’t take anymore misery’ and give up.Not that I want them to change it – it’s still a magnificent scene and integral to the books and their tone.But I’m realistic to the possibility that will people will walk away, and that this could spell the end of the show.So be it, if need be – I would rather it was faithful with 3 seasons then mutilated with 9.But the longevity is a question:I mean, come on – Season 1 = Ned dies, Season 2 = Winterfell is burned and everybody inside is massacred, Season 3 = Robb, Catelyn and a bunch of northerners are butchered.Unless they offer some kind of payoff – Joffrey dieing, Catelyn resurrected, Tywin dying – something that kind of redresses the balance, we might well see a drop off.

    Possibly but I don’t think the drop off would be as great as some people think. Look at the great cliffhangers in tv history – Who shot JR?, Dynasty’s Moldavian Massacre, BSG Season 2 finale, LOST’s “We have to go back!” and many others. They only served to increase buzz. By this point, they will have earned a season ending cliffhanger and the Red Wedding has potential to be watercooler discussion for months! To push for the Purple Wedding to end the season would call for too much compression, imo.

  139. Superdeluxe
    Posted April 10, 2012 at 3:07 pm | Permalink

    Yeah, cliffhangers where There is mystery in what happens and what is next. Not the utter devastation of the RW. That is just going to leave people empty and bitter.

    jkb: ere able to to keep reading after the RW, so you can keep on progressing the story.You end season 3 with RW, and you can’t keep on with the story.You are stuck

  140. The Kingslayer
    Posted April 10, 2012 at 3:08 pm | Permalink

    The Red Viper should be played by Oded Fehr (The Mummy)
    Edmure Tully should be played by David Wenham ( Two Towers, Return of The King) or Kevin McKidd ( Rome, Trainspotting)

  141. Conor
    Posted April 10, 2012 at 3:12 pm | Permalink

    Yay! So happy it’s official, bring it on!

  142. Superdeluxe
    Posted April 10, 2012 at 3:12 pm | Permalink

    Meera Reed: Sarah Bolger!

  143. Arthur
    Posted April 10, 2012 at 3:12 pm | Permalink

    The Kingslayer,

    Who should play Meeeeerrrrra???

  144. Chris
    Posted April 10, 2012 at 3:12 pm | Permalink

    It’s funny, I think people would be more upset to find out that filming 2 seasons would take over a year just to film and that they would have to wait AT LEAST a year and a half between season 2 and season 3.

    Not to mention D&D would half to turn out twice the scripts, they’d have to scope twice the locations, etc etc. It probably just isn’t feasible for a serial TV to do something like this.

  145. Ashaïese
    Posted April 10, 2012 at 3:14 pm | Permalink

    What about they show the Red Wedding and Joffrey’s Wedding in the same time, switching from one wedding to the other (even if they are still separate in the time), with all the contrast between the slaughter and the party on the other side, Joffrey laughing at Robb’s doom, with a dramatic music in the background, and then, in the climax of his triumph, Joffrey starting choking, falling on the floor, everyone screaming around, with the camera moving up above him and season 3 ends?
    Well, it’s probably not gonna happen but I would LOVE this kind of ending.

  146. Syrio
    Posted April 10, 2012 at 3:14 pm | Permalink

    People also threw the book against the wall and swore off the books after the Red Wedding

    The difference is with a book it’s right there you can pick it up again. With a TV series where there is a 9 month break, bitterness turns to apathy and they just don’t tune it again.

    So I’m definitely in the camp of ending the season at the Purple Wedding

  147. Steve
    Posted April 10, 2012 at 3:16 pm | Permalink

    Ashaïese,

    I like that. Godfather-style blowout ending.

    Valar Morghulis.

  148. The Kingslayer
    Posted April 10, 2012 at 3:17 pm | Permalink

    Arthur,

    Nobody, I think it’s pretty clear now that Osha has absorbed their roles. Frankly I ain’t that bothered because The Reeds were basically just guides for Bran.

  149. jkb
    Posted April 10, 2012 at 3:19 pm | Permalink

    James:
    I wonder if people will think that ‘this is too much, I can’t take anymore misery’ and give up.

    i see where you’re coming from and this might be the initial reaction but people threatened to quit after ned died too and look at the ratings.

    how about red wedding for season 4 premiere? ;p ’24′ killed several major characters in a season opener once, i thought that was pretty badass.

  150. Ricky
    Posted April 10, 2012 at 3:19 pm | Permalink

    Now we are green lit for 3 and looking good for 4 just imagine the horror if one of the principle cast members leaves! With a regular show changes can be made to write them out, how do you deal with it in an adaptation?

  151. Arthur
    Posted April 10, 2012 at 3:22 pm | Permalink

    The Kingslayer,

    Nooooooo!

    Give us Meera, or… Or pray to the seven for the producers shall feel my wrath!!!

  152. Varamyr Fourskins
    Posted April 10, 2012 at 3:23 pm | Permalink

    A few characters from ASoS (off the top of my head):

    -Ramsay Snow
    -Reek
    -Meera Reed
    -Jojen Reed
    -Vargo Hoat
    -Oberyn Martell
    -Ellaria Sand
    -Olenna Redwyne
    -Beric Dondarrion
    -Thoros of Myr
    -Lem
    -Harwin
    -Tom of Sevenstreams
    -Edmure Tully
    -Brynden Tully
    -Edric Storm
    -Queen Selyse
    -Shireen
    -Coldhands
    -Mance Rayder
    -Tormund Giantsbane
    -Styr
    -Donal Noye
    -Mag Mar Tun Doh Weg
    -Varamyr Sixskins
    -Dalla
    -Val
    -Jarl
    -Qyburn

    And, I’m sure there’s far more than that.

    I’d nominate James Purefoy for the role of Mance Rayder if I didn’t think he’d be perfect for Euron Crow’s Eye. I know a lot of people want Nathan Fillion to play Mance, which I think would be a good choice. But other than that, I don’t know. Maybe Ron Perlman can play Mag Mar Tun Doh Weg, because I don’t know who else would, or could.

  153. The Kingslayer
    Posted April 10, 2012 at 3:24 pm | Permalink

    Arthur,

    I think all the Meera and Jo fans need to unite and get a petition going.

  154. The Kingslayer
    Posted April 10, 2012 at 3:26 pm | Permalink

    Varamyr Fourskins,

    James Purefoy is The Crows Eye !!!!!!!!!!!!!! Nina Gold make this casting decision at once !

  155. Mormegil
    Posted April 10, 2012 at 3:26 pm | Permalink

    MATTHEW: So excited!!!! Based on last year’s timetable, when will they start making casting announcements? June or July-ish?

    Natalie Dormer was the first Season 2 Cast member announced and that was the 23rd June.

  156. Maxwell James
    Posted April 10, 2012 at 3:26 pm | Permalink

    Meteorology,

    Actually, True Blood Season 3 and 4 were announced on the same day.

    Nope. Season 4 announcement was a week after season 3 premiere. http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2010/06/21/true-blood-renewed-by-hbo_n_619920.html

  157. lefaisan
    Posted April 10, 2012 at 3:26 pm | Permalink

    Ricky,

    That’s why they’re bound by contract for years.

  158. Ser Eld
    Posted April 10, 2012 at 3:28 pm | Permalink

    HUZZA!!!

    This is a day of celebration! The series will live on for one more season, we get to see (probably and hopefully) Mance Rayder, Queen of Thornes, Tormund, Tom Sevenstrings, Thoros & Beric, Oberyn “Red Viper” of Dorne etc etc. Its a Feast!

    Now to all you people finding something to complain or worry about, get over it! I know a lot of you care much for the show and the books, but sometimes we OVERcare. Take a breathe, take a drink, savor the moment! We’re in for another year of jawdropping TV and endless banter on this very forum. Im content with that:-)

    Valar Morghulis you say,
    Valar Doaheris I respond.

    :-))))))))))))))))))))))

  159. boyo
    Posted April 10, 2012 at 3:29 pm | Permalink

    Just don’t kill any horses and we will be ok…

  160. Arthur
    Posted April 10, 2012 at 3:30 pm | Permalink

    The Kingslayer,

    I think they will give us Meera and she will absorb her brothers role. Osha will take off with Rickon just like the books…

    D&D will of course talk to Martin to see if Meera will indeed be a big impact on Bran later on and I’m sure Martin will say yes. If we don’t see Meera then I guess my hunch on her and Bran being in a relationship of importance was wrong. If we do see Meera, then she is going to be…. Bran’s woman! =]. Yes I know there is an age issue with them right now but relax it will all work out!

  161. Weirwood
    Posted April 10, 2012 at 3:30 pm | Permalink

    From the Los Angeles Times:
    “HBO’s “Game of Thrones” has the look of a conquering king right now — HBO has just renewed the series for a third season, just two weeks after the Season 2 opener earned glowing reviews and posted a gaudy 77% increase over last April’s series premiere. But one of the stars, Peter Dinklage, says any television success is a double-edged sword.

    When asked what challenges lie ahead for the creators, cast and crew of “Game of Thrones,” the 42-year-old actor said he sees them coming from several directions, including the most passionate fans of the show.

    Specifically, the newly minted Emmy and Golden Globe winner said he frets a bit about the relentless Internet drumbeat of fantasy fans who want the medieval epic to be more, well, epic.

    “There’s so much pressure to, in terms of this genre, make it bigger,” Dinklage said. “There’s all this talk about, ‘We want more battles!’ and there’s so many fan sites. And the show is based on a very successful series of novels [by George R.R. Martin] and so there was so much anticipation for it — and so much pressure put on it. You can’t really listen to all of that if you’re going to be successful. It’s just too much to take in, too much to take on. You have to block all of that out and tell the really smart story that was told by George and not try to take on too much that takes the [priorities] in other directions.”

    http://herocomplex.latimes.com/2012/04/10/game-of-thrones-peter-dinklage-sees-series-challenges-ahead/

  162. Mike Chair
    Posted April 10, 2012 at 3:32 pm | Permalink

    Yes!

    Time to cast Tormund Giantsbane, Tormund Thunderfist, Horn-blower and Breaker of Ice, Husband to Bears, the Mead-king of Ruddy Hall, Speaker to Gods and Father of Hosts.

    To you non-book people, that’s one guy. Har!

  163. Vanderhook
    Posted April 10, 2012 at 3:33 pm | Permalink

    The Kingslayer: Arthur, Nobody, I think it’s pretty clear now that Osha has absorbed their roles. Frankly I ain’t that bothered because The Reeds were basically just guides for Bran.

    Well they really need to cast the Reeds for two major reasons:

    1:At the end of this season, Bran and Rickon must split up. In the books, Osha goes with Rickon and it’s implied that they are in Skagos, and it seems like Davos is going up to Skagos to fetch Rickon for Wyman Manderly. Meanwhile the Reeds and Hodor go with Bran. I suppose they could just keep Luwin alive and have him go with Rickon but that doesn’t solve the problem of…

    2. If R+L=J, which has a strong chance of being true, the Reeds are absolutely essential to the storyline, as Howland Reed is the only character alive that would be able to reveal that bit of information to Jon. Without Jojen or Meera, we have no connection to Howland Reed

  164. Syrio
    Posted April 10, 2012 at 3:33 pm | Permalink

    I like Purefoy and I think I rather he be the Red Viper.

  165. Hawk
    Posted April 10, 2012 at 3:37 pm | Permalink

    skipdutch:
    Hawk,

    There is a great deal of logic to that, actually.If they ended season I with Ned at the Sept of Baelor, alot of people would not have returned the following year, since they don’t want to commit to a whole season of characters they don’t care about after a favorite dies.
    You end the season on an up note.You give closure, and something to look forward to (that event is the Joffrey’s death (YAY, that bastard died!)); and something to bring the viewers back (Tyrion arrested! what will become of Arya!how is Battle playing out up north of the wall, Sansa is with Littlefinger!? WTF…)

    when the RW occurs in the show will not determine the return of viewers…after that event they will either come back or they won’t…I’m not saying it should occur in ep 10 or 9 or whatever…I’m striking at the connection that if that event ends the season viewers will be more likely not to return b/c of it…that’s pure bs…

  166. Superdeluxe
    Posted April 10, 2012 at 3:39 pm | Permalink

    See my suggestion!

    Arthur:
    The Kingslayer,

    Who should play Meeeeerrrrra???

  167. The Kingslayer
    Posted April 10, 2012 at 3:40 pm | Permalink

    Arthur,

    Perhaps after events unfold in Winterfall Bran, Osha, Rickon and Hordor might come across Meera as they’re wandering from the ruins, that would be a good move for the beginning of season 3.

    I just have a feeling Osha is going to stick with Bran because of how impressive Natalia Tena has been.

  168. Arthur
    Posted April 10, 2012 at 3:41 pm | Permalink

    Vanderhook,

    I totally agree on your two points. But more importantly we need Meera for Bran, to keep his storyline interesting. Who wants to see him interact with Hodor and Osha? That wouldn’t be as fun as him talking to Meera.

    We all have seen Arya and Gentry last episode. That was a fun scene to watch them interact and build a relationship. Bran’s story needs something like that too.

    And like I said before, poor Bran… That kid has been through so much horror. Give him Meera, he needs her! =]

  169. Alexander Dubrovsky
    Posted April 10, 2012 at 3:42 pm | Permalink

    Ending a season on RW might make a casual non-bookreader viewer to think “Fuck this show, everyone I care about is eventually getting killed”. It doesn’t happen in the end of ASOS, so if you read the book, you will immediately find out what’s next. The people who only watch the show will have to wait 9 months to see the consequences (and it’s not that the books become lighter after that).

    The best solution is indeed to put the RW in the 9th episode and Joffrey’s death in the 10th, with some other stuff from the book that happens around this part – maybe Jon’s return to Castle Black or even the resurrection of Catelyn as a closing scene. Tyrion’s trial, Tywin’s murder, Lysa Arryn’s murder, everything at the Wall after Jon’s return (including the wildling attack) and other stuff that happens after the RW can be put into the start of S4.

  170. Superdeluxe
    Posted April 10, 2012 at 3:43 pm | Permalink

    I agree, No Meera in the TV series means that end game, she is just a bit player that can be taken on by another role.

    Arthur:
    The Kingslayer,

    I think they will give us Meera and she will absorb her brothers role.Osha will take off with Rickon just like the books…

    D&D will of course talk to Martin to see if Meera will indeed be a big impact on Bran later on and I’m sure Martin will say yes.If we don’t see Meera then I guess my hunch on her and Bran being in a relationship of importance was wrong.If we do see Meera, then she is going to be…. Bran’s woman! =]. Yes I know there is an age issue with them right now but relax it will all work out!

  171. Maxwell James
    Posted April 10, 2012 at 3:46 pm | Permalink

    One thing splitting ASOS should mean, interestingly, is that the writers will have less content to cram into their 10 episodes. Even if they cover 2/3 of it, roughly, in season 3, that’s still less overall than the whole of ACOK.

    That might be a good thing, given the criticisms of the first two seasons feeling rushed. But they’ll have to adjust their writing style to make events take longer, which could lead to other problems. ASOS is packed, but it’s not as if it doesn’t have slow parts.

    Either way, it could be an interesting change.

  172. The Kingslayer
    Posted April 10, 2012 at 3:46 pm | Permalink

    Vanderhook,

    They’re aren’t really that essential, D & D can easily arrange it so that Osha heard of The Three Eyed Crow back when she was a Wildling north of the wall.

    And as for making Osha take Rickon to Skagos that could possibly happen after Bran has reached his destination.

  173. Alan
    Posted April 10, 2012 at 3:47 pm | Permalink

    Charles,

    If you expected two seasons after they nixed the idea of simultaneous filming, you weren’t thinking about it from HBO’s perspective.

    No smart businessperson commits $70M in cost before they have to do so. In doing so, you lose a tremendous amount of economic value. that option — the right not to buy season 4 or to buy it — is literally worth millions of dollars to HBO.

    And while they still likely would retain the legal right to not buy Season 4 even if they announced it (though perhaps not), the public PR backlash would be bad. if they merely delayed or cut the budget, it would have ramifications publicly and privately.

  174. Steve
    Posted April 10, 2012 at 3:47 pm | Permalink

    Alexander Dubrovsky,

    Should spoiler tagged the whole post, man. In case people freak.

  175. Superdeluxe
    Posted April 10, 2012 at 3:49 pm | Permalink

    You don’t really need the Reed twins, Just having Meera you solve several issues:

    1.Bran gets his companion/guide/crush
    2.You get connection to Howland
    3. You can give Meera green sight and that takes care of Jojen.

    The Kingslayer:
    Arthur,

    Perhaps after events unfold in Winterfall Bran, Osha, Rickon and Hordor might come across Meera as they’re wandering from the ruins, that would be a good move for the beginning of season 3.

    I just have a feeling Osha is going to stick with Bran because of how impressive Natalia Tena has been.

  176. Ser Raybat
    Posted April 10, 2012 at 3:52 pm | Permalink

    James,

    …and then finish with a 3 hour, big budget, Hollywood movie! Finish with a bang! IMAX!

  177. Tessa Leonie
    Posted April 10, 2012 at 3:52 pm | Permalink

    Phew finally, though I wasn’t really worried. I do agree that we will most likely move away from a book per series adaption, as it should I think. I would really like it though if the episodes were upped to 12 just so we can take it easier so we can have some quality time with our characters.

  178. Jonas Jakobsen
    Posted April 10, 2012 at 3:53 pm | Permalink

    Edmure Tully: Tony Curran or Kevin McKidd
    Beric Dondarrion: Sean Harris or Tony Curran

  179. dizzy_34
    Posted April 10, 2012 at 3:53 pm | Permalink

    So looking forward to Victarion, The Red Viper (who may be pushed to the 4th season) and Mance Rayder

  180. Alan
    Posted April 10, 2012 at 3:53 pm | Permalink

    DH87:
    Alan,

    I believe I heard the “filmed together” rumor reported here based on info disseminated about availability of the Paint Hall. That and the children’s ages made it viable at the time.

    Edit to add: We should be prepared for an Arya who looks like Miley Cyrus in eighteen months, however. :)

    Yes, and that makes sense. LOTR did it because of massive production efficiencies and there are — if everything is ready in time.

    I think for the level of control D&D want and the timeline HBO wants (no year delays here!) it’s not that helpful. Making that decision now and starting to shoot in the summer seems impossible. Making it a year ago would maybe have worked.

    Maisie is growing up too fast, but we’ll have to live with it. A female, non-book, friend of mine: “how is she going to pass for a boy? It’s pretty obvious she’s got breasts.”

  181. Hi-Fi
    Posted April 10, 2012 at 3:56 pm | Permalink

    Jonas Jakobsen,

    I’d love Tony Curran as Edmure or Beric, but he JUST got a role in a show for sci-fi channel. : (

    What about Tabrett Bethell as Val?

  182. Superdeluxe
    Posted April 10, 2012 at 3:57 pm | Permalink

    We got time for it to be cancelled

    Hi-Fi:
    Jonas Jakobsen,

    I’d love Tony Curran as Edmure or Beric, but he JUST got a role in a show for sci-fi channel. : (

    What about Tabrett Bethell as Val?

  183. afartherroom
    Posted April 10, 2012 at 3:57 pm | Permalink

    Weirwood: Specifically, the newly minted Emmy and Golden Globe winner said he frets a bit about the relentless Internet drumbeat of fantasy fans who want the medieval epic to be more, well, epic.

    Smart man, that Dinklage.

    Then, I never want anything to be “more epic.” Frankly, that stuff bores me. Battle scenes in particular make my eyes glaze over.

  184. Lars
    Posted April 10, 2012 at 3:57 pm | Permalink

    Alan: Yes, and that makes sense.LOTR did it because of massive production efficiencies and there are — if everything is ready in time.

    But it also added enormous headaches for the LOTR production. I seem to recall an interview with Peter Jackson, where he stated that he now understood why no one had done such a thing before. The implication being that he would not have done it again.

    Then again, he decided to shoot The Hobbit as two-parter back-to-back.

    But my point remains… While shooting back-to-back solves some problems, it creates others. The pros and cons have to be carefully weighed. And for a television show which is already multi-season on a fixed schedule, it could really mess things up. After all, this is planned to go on for 8 seasons.

  185. Maxwell James
    Posted April 10, 2012 at 3:59 pm | Permalink

    I think the Reeds will be in it. But they could absolutely do it without them. Here’s one way:

    Season 3: Osha takes Bran, Hodor, Rickon north, delivers first two to Coldhands.
    Season 4: Bran, Hodor, Coldhands continue north, join up with 3EC. Osha takes Rickon to Skagos.
    Season 5: Bran training with 3EC. Davos sent to Skagos to retrieve Osha & Rickon. Obviously, it will help matters greatly if TWOW is out by then.

    It’s true though that without the Reeds, Bran’s existence up north will be even sadder than it is in the books, with his only companions being an ancient tree-man, an amnesiac ranger-zombie, and Hodor. Sort of like a melancholy version of The Addams Family. Actually, that suggests a spin-off…

  186. Damián Erro
    Posted April 10, 2012 at 4:00 pm | Permalink

    WOW…

  187. Mormegil
    Posted April 10, 2012 at 4:03 pm | Permalink

    So which Episode will GRRM write for Season 3 I wonder?

    The Red Wedding is the obvious one but I have a feeling he’ll let D+D do that one.

  188. Superdeluxe
    Posted April 10, 2012 at 4:04 pm | Permalink

    Maxwell James:

    It’s true though that without the Reeds, Bran’s existence up north will be even sadder than it is in the books, with his only companions being an ancient tree-man, an amnesiac ranger-zombie, and Hodor. Sort of like a melancholy version of The Addams Family. Actually, that suggests a spin-off…

    So true, Yes the reeds can be written out..but Bran would be so alone lol, we will soon enough how important at least meera is to Bran in regards to the endgame. If like how some people think, the Reeds are just tour guides for Bran, then won’t really have any kind of real role come endgame

  189. Vanderhook
    Posted April 10, 2012 at 4:05 pm | Permalink

    The Kingslayer: They’re aren’t really that essential, D & D can easily arrange it so that Osha heard of The Three Eyed Crow back when she was a Wildling north of the wall.
    And as for making Osha take Rickon to Skagos that could possibly happen after Bran has reached his destination.

    I think you got a bit of the wrong idea with my post. I don’t really have a problem with Osha replacing the Reeds in terms of teaching Bran his warg powers, and it seems like they are going to be doing that.. but it still causes the hairy issue of who goes with Rickon. Having Osha and Rickon leave for Skagos after meeting the Three Eyed Crow wouldn’t make any sense: the whole reason they split up was to avoid being together so that someone couldn’t kill/capture both heirs to Winterfell at once. And it still doesn’t address the R+L=J issue =/

  190. Shinyteapot
    Posted April 10, 2012 at 4:11 pm | Permalink

    It seems likely that Osha will stay on screen, which means some change needs to be made. Given Bran’s journey takes up a lot of time in the books and would probably not work well dragged out over such a long period on the screen, I can see changes being made to add drama.

    For example- simply the first thing that came to mind- if Bran and Rickon stayed together for a while longer, as they go north of the Wall, one could be separated from the others, giving a bit of extra drama finding him. This would demonstrate the danger they are in and provide an impetus later than in the books (say, partway through series 4) to take Rickon off to safety.

    Add a wildling girl fulfilling Meera’s role (to increase links between storylines, maybe she’s met Jon) and bring Osha and Rickon back into the story a little earlier than in the books, during series 5- so Osha isn’t missing for a whole year.

    Worry about Howland Reed and his potential knowledge later, he or a relative can be introduced at another time- or the truth can be found by other means (treevision etc). Or that theory could be wrong!

    I am not a writer, D&D have probably already come up with something better than the above. If I can come up with that in a few seconds, they can manage something that keeps the characters they want to keep, improves the drama and still sticks to the main storyline. (Hopefully not changing Luwin‘s fate though- great actor and character who I would be sad to see go, but it was a powerful scene and I think it should stay.)

  191. The Kingslayer
    Posted April 10, 2012 at 4:13 pm | Permalink

    Mormegil,

    Considering George has been given Blackwater this season why not give him the episode when Mance attacks the wall ?

  192. Vanderhook
    Posted April 10, 2012 at 4:17 pm | Permalink

    If we are going to have Rickon and Bran stay together after Winterfell is destoryed, and then split later, then DnD need to find a new reason for Bran and Rickon to split. Maybe they are attacked by wildlings or something, get lost in a storm, or whatever, but it can not be the same reason they split in the books. In the books, they split to avoid anyone killing/capturing both at the same time, and that reason would make no sense if they used it halfway through their journey.

  193. Langkard
    Posted April 10, 2012 at 4:18 pm | Permalink

    Perhaps what we’re seeing is the possibility that we’ll have an extended season 3? Maybe the powers-that-be got together and discussed the pro’s and con’s of filming seasons 3 and 4 together versus separately, cost-wise and contractually and logistically, and someone came up with the brilliant idea of making season 3 into 15-16 episodes or even more instead of just 10? Thus a greenlight for just season 3, because it is really one season for most of the 3rd book. A single expanded season containing what we had previously considered as needing two seasons total, based on only 10 episodes per season.

    So, I will remain optimistic. Besides, how can we not be happy about a greenlight for more arguing about casting and scripting and outlawing the color indigo?

  194. Alexander Dubrovsky
    Posted April 10, 2012 at 4:19 pm | Permalink

    Steve,

    I thought I did. Or did I press the wrong button? Sorry.

  195. userj
    Posted April 10, 2012 at 4:22 pm | Permalink

    Syrio:
    I like Purefoy and I think I rather he be the Red Viper.

    Um no, the dornish aren’t white. They are definitely brown skinned middle eastern or at least south Mediterranean in appearance. I love purefoy but this would be a travesty.

  196. Mormegil
    Posted April 10, 2012 at 4:23 pm | Permalink

    The Kingslayer,

    That would probably be Season 4 though.

  197. Restore The Day
    Posted April 10, 2012 at 4:24 pm | Permalink

    I share some of Dinklage’s concerns about the future of the show.
    Not even fans of the book alone, but even newcomers of the show tend to ask for more action and more scope. This is not what kept me glued to the books, and yes action will happen and plots progress, but they sometimes do so better in small ways than in big. It is not a coincidence that a lot of the big action is not even IN the books but related from one witness or another.

    Also, the ratings are getting very good but does it mean that if/when they inevitably start ebbing in a couple seasons (for the reasons above, e.g.), it will be seen as the show starting to fail, and the show taken in new directions even further from the books to keep the fans happy? Or will they keep artistic control tight around their original vision?

  198. Kalasin
    Posted April 10, 2012 at 4:26 pm | Permalink

    Andy: Christian Meola, thinking the same thing. Dave and Dan have said they want to shoot S3&4 together, as ASoS is too big for one season. I’m sure HBO knows this and have given the old ‘wink and a nod’ about S4

    I think they’ve actually been asked about that and said it was impossible, didn’t they? I don’t think they ever said it was a good idea – it was just fan wishful thinking. I honestly think there’s no feasible way for them to be ready to shoot season 3 while also prepping for 4. I know people have speculated back-to-back but I don’t think that works without a film’s lengthy lead time. I think they are hanging on by the skin of their teeth with the schedule they have, and acceleration was never in the cards. They will need to work every day between now and the airing of 3 to get 3 off the ground. They can’t possibly squeeze writing/casting/shooting 4 in there too, from everything D&D and the HBO execs have said about the shooting and prep schedule. It’s the exact same reason we only get 10 episodes (that and cost). They don’t have any spare days.

    So I don’t think we really need to worry about season 4 right now. Reviews of 2 have been mixed, so I think HBO is just hedging its bets on potentially losing viewers as the season progresses. Really I think it will all be fine.

  199. Carey Tran
    Posted April 10, 2012 at 4:29 pm | Permalink

    Kalasin:

    So I don’t think we really need to worry about season 4 right now.Reviews of 2 have been mixed, so I think HBO is just hedging its bets on potentially losing viewers as the season progresses.Really I think it will all be fine.

    Reviews have only been mixed among die hard book fanatics. Among professional critics, reviews for Season 2 have been universally positive, much more positive than for Season 1 even.

  200. Langkard
    Posted April 10, 2012 at 4:32 pm | Permalink

    When dismissing the Reeds, don’t be too hasty. Remember that the Reeds aren’t just important in the Bran and Rickon story line. The Reeds (along with their father) are also the only living people connected with the Starks who know the story of who danced with whom and who fell in love with whom at the Harrenhal tourney, and the real reasons for the happenings at the Tower of Joy. Without that story of the Knight of the Laughing Tree and all the inplied things in it, the L+R = J people are going to need someone else to provide that information. Every other participant in that whole story is dead, except for Howland Reed and by extension, his children who share his knowledge.

  201. Dennis
    Posted April 10, 2012 at 4:32 pm | Permalink

    SEVEN HELLS to the yes!

    I agree no announcement on S4 at the same time is slightly disappointing but one also has to take into account that the longer these actors get tied up and the more renowned they become due to their roles in GoT (Peter Dinklage, Kit, etc) their pay rates are likely to increase substantially. Not to mention you’re asking them to surrender any chance to star in anything else for continued periods at a time. Now, having read and seen many interviews with a lot of the main characters leads me to believe they’re all super excited to be part of this so I am hoping that excitement will continue into S3, S4 and perhaps beyond. I believe HBO or the producers said something to the effect they’ll keep making the show as long as GRRM keeps writing but we such an impressive array of established and newly established actors, not to mention the folks behind the scenes, the cost of the increasing amount of CGI, locations, sets etc it seems foolish to think that renewals are automatic with these ratings simply due to the -what I assume- are the ever increasing costs to produce this show.
    Now that I am done playing devil’s advocate; I have every faith this show will get a S4! When I see the cast and crew interviews I get the idea these folks really enjoy working together, much like Peter Jackson and the folks from LotR (it amused me to see how much actors like Elijah Wood and Orlando Bloom were thrilled by the possibility of returning to New Zealand for a part in the Hobbit). Peter Dinklage’s Emmy acceptance speech and him pointing out almost emotionally how much he appreciated HBO for letting their people be creative hopefully indicates that these folks are in it for the long haul!

    Woooooo!!!

  202. Connie
    Posted April 10, 2012 at 4:36 pm | Permalink

    What do we say to cancellation?

    NOT TODAY.

  203. John-Michael Lelievre
    Posted April 10, 2012 at 4:41 pm | Permalink

    Thank the gods, I can breathe again!

  204. The Kingslayer
    Posted April 10, 2012 at 4:42 pm | Permalink

    Purefoy has gotta be The Crows Eye, he’s perfect for that role. I would have liked Damon Lewis to play Edmure but with the success of Homeland that seems unlikely. Victarion and Blackfish oh my……. thinking of the possibilities is making my head spin with excitement :-)

  205. Pastor_of_Muppets
    Posted April 10, 2012 at 4:49 pm | Permalink

    Anyone assuming that audiences will respond similarly to Ned’s death as they will to the Red Wedding is, well, wrong (again). David and Dan aren’t idiots and they have to realize that the deaths of two major characters at the end of season three will do more than leave a bad taste, it will destroy the audiences’ souls (and not in a good way). Even if Joffrey’s wedding follows immediately after that episode, it still won’t resonate well.

    This is how it should (and hopefully will) play out. The Red Wedding is the first episode of season four. Everyone expects a season finale to blow their minds (and as I suspect Dany will see a much increased role in the third/fourth season/s, the finale could still do that with the battle at Astapor), but a season opener that blows away conventions like that could be… Unprecedented, bold, daring – all of the above. And doing it in the first episode allows season three room to breath. The Tully’s still have to be introduced, as do the Reed’s and Reek (as it seems the Winterfell storyline will be extended into the third season to keep Theon and other characters in the action) in addition to everything else that occurs in the first three quarters of the novel.

    Season four then begins with the aforementioned event, and includes the remainder of ASoS and chronologically relevant material from AFfC & ADwD. That would make season four the single most epic season in the history of television, and allow those events the time to breathe that they need to be as effective as possible. Viewers will be much less likely to jump ship if they realize that something as horrific as the Red Wedding is only the beginning of that seasons’ storyline.

    Disagree if you like, but I simply can’t see that event occurring (and don’t feel that it should) in the third season. In addition, moving both weddings back also allows the characters in Dorne to get a foothold in the minds of the audience, maximizing the Red Viper’s role in the story and providing an easy excuse to begin introducing this new land/culture/kingdom.

  206. freyar_88
    Posted April 10, 2012 at 4:51 pm | Permalink

    Connie,

    you, ser, are brilliant.
    and also…
    YAY!

  207. Hollyoak
    Posted April 10, 2012 at 4:53 pm | Permalink

    Connie:
    What do we say to cancellation?

    NOT TODAY.

    Good one Connie!

  208. Arthur
    Posted April 10, 2012 at 4:53 pm | Permalink

    Victarion and Strong Belwas better be badasses!

    Strong Belwas needs an actor similar to Jason Momoa is physical appearance.

    Victarion needs to be a badass Viking-like warrior with a huge two handed axe or something cool like that…

  209. darrylzero
    Posted April 10, 2012 at 4:55 pm | Permalink

    Shinyteapot: It seems likely that Osha will stay on screen, which means some change needs to be made.Given Bran’s journey takes up a lot of time in the books and would probably not work well dragged out over such a long period on the screen, I can see changes being made to add drama.

    For example- simply the first thing that came to mind- if Bran and Rickon stayed together for a while longer, as they go north of the Wall, one could be separated from the others, giving a bit of extra drama finding him.This would demonstrate the danger they are in and provide an impetus later than in the books (say, partway through series 4) to take Rickon off to safety.


    Add a wildling girl fulfilling Meera’s role (to increase links between storylines, maybe she’s met Jon) and bring Osha and Rickon back into the story a little earlier than in the books, during series 5- so Osha isn’t missing for a whole year.

    Worry about Howland Reed and his potential knowledge later, he or a relative can be introduced at another time- or the truth can be found by other means (treevision etc).Or that theory could be wrong!

    I am not a writer, D&D have probably already come up with something better than the above.If I can come up with that in a few seconds, they can manage something that keeps the characters they want to keep, improves the drama and still sticks to the main storyline.(Hopefully not changing Luwin‘s fate though- great actor and character who I would be sad to see go, but it was a powerful scene and I think it should stay.)

    That’s really interesting, and I think you could be right. I have trouble with the way it will appear on screen either way. I can’t really imagine Osha’s scenes alone with Rickon being very compelling, nor can I imagine Bran and Hodor alone being very interesting. So, I’m not sure what they should do.

    However, if they get separated north of the wall, you’ve got one tantalizing possibility that I only just thought of, depending on the contents of book 6: Davos has to go rescue Rickon from Hardhome, not Skagos. Could be a lot more dramatic. How he would know where to go… well, they’d figure something out.

  210. Dee
    Posted April 10, 2012 at 4:58 pm | Permalink

    Restore The Day:
    I share some of Dinklage’s concerns about the future of the show.

    Interesting quotes from Dinklage. Thanks for linking.

  211. The Kingslayer
    Posted April 10, 2012 at 4:59 pm | Permalink

    Shouldn’t Strong Belaws be appearing at the end of this season with a certain Arstan Whitebeard ??????

  212. Mike Chair
    Posted April 10, 2012 at 5:01 pm | Permalink

    Jonas Jakobsen: Beric Dondarrion: Sean Harris or Tony Curran

    I’m confused. Didn’t David Michael Scott appear as Beric Dondarrion in episode six (“A Golden Crown”) of the first season?

    See gameofthrones.wikia.

  213. MATTHEW
    Posted April 10, 2012 at 5:07 pm | Permalink

    I would love to see Michael Fassbender involved in future seasons, but perhaps he’s too big of a star. He would make a perfect Daario Naharis and with some gray steaks on his hair he could be a formidable Mance Rayder. He could also handle the Edmure role capably. He’d be an excellent Red Viper, though probably a bit too young for that role (considering all the Sand Snakes Oberyn has fathered he’s probably well into his 40s)

  214. Liesie
    Posted April 10, 2012 at 5:07 pm | Permalink

    Happy and I know it :D

  215. Shinyteapot
    Posted April 10, 2012 at 5:08 pm | Permalink

    darrylzero: Davos has to go rescue Rickon from Hardhome, not Skagos.

    Good idea, that could work very well. Would cut down on confusing extra locations as well as bringing in potentially more danger. As for how they know- random captured wildling would suffice, inelegant though it is. There are probably better options too.

  216. Icebird
    Posted April 10, 2012 at 5:08 pm | Permalink

    Yay! (Does a happy dance @ work)

  217. Sam DeGree
    Posted April 10, 2012 at 5:11 pm | Permalink

    Pastor_of_Muppets,

    I agree wholeheartedly. I guess the concern is that season 3 would be without a good ending point, or that there aren’t enough major plot points. I think either moving up Dany’s story, as you mentioned, or the death of Yrgitte and the attack on the wall from the south could serve as a climax to season 3. Both of these story lines are relatively disconnected from the tangle of chronological sequence that enmeshes many of the other major characters.

  218. MATTHEW
    Posted April 10, 2012 at 5:11 pm | Permalink

    Mike Chair,

    That actor was little more than an extra with a couple lines, cast before HBO knew there would be a season 3. As Dondarian plays larger role in Book 3, it would make sense to recast the role using higher profile actor.

    Speaking of recasting roles, I dearly hope they will bring back Conan Stevens as Gregor for season 3 and beyond

  219. Steve
    Posted April 10, 2012 at 5:14 pm | Permalink

    Alexander Dubrovsky,

    No problem, man. Didn’t spoil anything for me. I just know the way people can get in these comment sections, haha.

  220. Dee
    Posted April 10, 2012 at 5:14 pm | Permalink

    I never doubted for a moment that the show will get a 3rd season renewal, I am however a little surprised that the 4th season go-ahead was withheld. I’m inclined to attribute this to contractual issues and nothing more, for barring unforeseen disasters, I’m as sure of a season 4 of GOT as I am of a season 3. Anything beyond the 4 seasons however, is another story, and at the moment more a question for prophecy than informed speculation.

  221. Steven Swanson
    Posted April 10, 2012 at 5:16 pm | Permalink

    Restore The Day: I share some of Dinklage’s concerns about the future of the show.
    Not even fans of the book alone, but even newcomers of the show tend to ask for more action and more scope. This is not what kept me glued to the books, and yes action will happen and plots progress, but they sometimes do so better in small ways than in big. It is not a coincidence that a lot of the big action is not even IN the books but related from one witness or another.

    Came here specifically to post that article, glad I read upthread a bit.

    I’m already seeing issues with people saying the first two episodes, particularly the second, were “boring”. With the way last season ratcheted up in intensity I think some of the people who were turned on by a lot of the sensationalistic aspects and fast pace of the latter episodes were hoping for more of the same, whereas what we’re getting is exactly what this story actually is, a character drama featuring some action here and there.

    It also makes me think of the LOTR movies, where they played up the battles and played down the characters and lore, and there’s likely a subset of fans who expect this to go the same way (with some sex and dirty jokes to spice it up even more). But you can’t please everyone, and so far I think they’ve struck a great balance considering budgetary limitations.

  222. jkb
    Posted April 10, 2012 at 5:18 pm | Permalink

    Pastor_of_Muppets:
    This is how it should (and hopefully will) play out. The Red Wedding is the first episode of season four. Everyone expects a season finale to blow their minds (and as I suspect Dany will see a much increased role in the third/fourth season/s, the finale could still do that with the battle at Astapor), but a season opener that blows away conventions like that could be… Unprecedented, bold, daring – all of the above.

    ye i suggested that as well. while i still think RW would work as a cliffhanger, putting it in season premiere would make it that much more surprising. but it’s not unprecedented actually -> ’24′ season 5, ep 1, 2 major characters die in first 3 minutes

  223. Steven Swanson
    Posted April 10, 2012 at 5:19 pm | Permalink

    MATTHEW: Mike Chair, That actor was little more than an extra with a couple lines, cast before HBO knew there would be a season 3. As Dondarian plays larger role in Book 3, it would make sense to recast the role using higher profile actor. Speaking of recasting roles, I dearly hope they will bring back Conan Stevens as Gregor for season 3 and beyond

    Did we ever find out why he was recast? Was it just the fact that he’d gotten the part in The Hobbit?

    I actually wondered if his opining on the poor editing of his fight scenes publicly (on here) had an effect. If I was a showrunner and one of the actors was criticizing the work of somebody else on the show I don’t think I’d be too happy, it’s not the most professional thing to do.

  224. MATTHEW
    Posted April 10, 2012 at 5:22 pm | Permalink

    userj,

    This is false. The books clearly say that the dornish (like real life spaniards or Italians) come in many different hues from sandy blondes to olive-skinned brunettes. A pale white actor could definitely pull off the role if he spoke with an accent, but a brown or olive skinned actor would serve nicely to to highlight the exoticism of the Dornish. They could even decide to make the Dornishmen black; though purists would cry foul, it would lend a very cool, foreign flavor to the proceedings.

  225. Prankster
    Posted April 10, 2012 at 5:23 pm | Permalink

    James:
    This is great news. On a side note, I don’t think we’ll end up getting a full 20 episode book 3. So where people are predicting 3 might end could be very possible. Here’s how I see it.
    Season 3: 3/4 of SoS
    Season 4: Remainder of SoS (4 episodes) with chronologically ordered scenes of AFFC and ADWD
    Season 5: Remainder of AFFC and ADWD (because honestly, half of the stuff in the book was exposition anyway and people usually in the same areas. They could cut 30% of the book and still make sense.
    Season 6: Anything they missed in AFFC/ADWD and maybe 8 episodes dedicated to Winds.

    In the end we might still end with 7 seasons for 7 books.

    That’s a pretty good breakdown. I know AFFC and ADWD are going to present problems, because even if they “shuffle” them together there’s no natural climax in the middle of either of those two books, but cramming them into a single season might make things a little tight. I definitely like the idea of letting events sprawl across seasons 4-6 without being too concerned about keeping to what happens in which book. And it sounds like there are some pretty natural “climaxes” coming at the beginning of book 6, so those could very easily be moved to the end of whatever season correlates with AFFC/ADWD, the way that (I suspect) the Fist has been moved back to the end of the current season.

  226. Arthur
    Posted April 10, 2012 at 5:23 pm | Permalink

    MATTHEW,

    http://www.google.com/search?q=gannicus&hl=en&client=safari&prmd=imvns&tbm=isch&tbo=u&source=univ&sa=X&ei=W6KET-T3NsPe0QHVxeGzBw&ved=0CEAQsAQ&biw=320&bih=416#i=15

    I think this guy would be an awesome Daario. He played Gannicus in Sparty and basically was a good looking cocky warrior, just like Daario…

    Dustin Clare as Daario… =]

  227. Jonas Jakobsen
    Posted April 10, 2012 at 5:23 pm | Permalink

    The Kingslayer,

    Probably not worth casting two people for one episode at the end of the season (like Jaqen, Rorge and Biter). Though regarding Arstan: How on earth are they going to do that? In the book it’s a surprise when he reveal himself, but we all know what the Barristan actor looks like and a beard is not going to hide that.

  228. Handmaiden of Dany
    Posted April 10, 2012 at 5:23 pm | Permalink

    I want the same actor to play Beric Dondarrion, I thought he was excellent!

  229. jkb
    Posted April 10, 2012 at 5:26 pm | Permalink

    Handmaiden of Dany:
    I want the same actor to playBeric Dondarrion, I thought he was excellent!

    i like him too, don’t know why everyone wants him recasted.

  230. Syrio
    Posted April 10, 2012 at 5:28 pm | Permalink

    userj,

    There are many kind of Dornish and I always pictured them as Spaniards. They may have some strong Mediterranean features and are darker than the others, but nowhere in the books does it say they are non-white.

  231. Jonas Jakobsen
    Posted April 10, 2012 at 5:29 pm | Permalink

    jkb,

    The guy uttered two words and was shown for a total of maybe 5 seconds. It’s someone they cast as a “stand in” for whenever they really introduce him.

    He’s pretty much just a featured extra.

  232. Ed
    Posted April 10, 2012 at 5:30 pm | Permalink

    Where’s the “Like” button?

    funk: Goddamit you guys will bitch about anything.

  233. Pastor_of_Muppets
    Posted April 10, 2012 at 5:31 pm | Permalink

    I’ll avoid being too specifIc about anything, as I’m typing from my phone and can’t utilize spoiler tags without the comment being unable to publish, so if the powers that be deem anything too spoiler-ific, I apologize and feel free (obviously) to censor it.

    With that said, in addition to what I was saying previously, our best chance of HBO seeing this series through is an incredibly strong fourth season. That makes the ‘event that shall not be named’ even more important in terms of the show continuing. The events in ASoS from that point on are, quite simply, the best in the series thus far (including the last two novels). It also allows D&D to introduce the new characters without there being a lull in the action from our main players (the characters the audiences’ know and love).

    And just think about the awesome circularity of the premiere ending with the RW and the season four finale introduing that stone-hearted lady. Also, since so much of what happens after the PW also involves a fan-favorite Dornish snake, it gives the writers enough time to develop that new storyline both with said character and his family, allowing AFfC & ADwD to be both condensed and not so out of left field.

  234. Stark_Attack
    Posted April 10, 2012 at 5:31 pm | Permalink

    I wrote a blog post on how I think the rest of the series will be handled on HBO.

    http://insurrbution.blogspot.ca/2012/04/save-date.html

  235. Ed
    Posted April 10, 2012 at 5:31 pm | Permalink

    Jonas Jakobsen:
    The Kingslayer,

    Probably not worth casting two people for one episode at the end of the season (like Jaqen, Rorge and Biter). Though regarding Arstan: How on earth are they going to do that? In the book it’s a surprise when he reveal himself, but we all know what the Barristan actor looks like and a beard is not going to hide that.

    A Ben Kenobi-style robe w/big giant hood.

  236. Sam DeGree
    Posted April 10, 2012 at 5:33 pm | Permalink

    Pastor_of_Muppets,

    Out of my own curiosity, I went through Tower of the Hand’s episode summaries to look at where the major characters are midway through the 3rd book, and there are some pretty good stopping points for many of them. ASoS is 82 chapters. Obviously, ASoS spoilers below:

    Arya (chapter 44): runs from high heart and Beric and is captured by the Hound
    Daenerys (43): routs Yunkish army and forces them to free their slaves
    Jaime (45): released from Harrenhal, but goes back to save Brienne
    Catelyn(46): departs for the Twins, Robb names Jon as his heir
    Sam (47): Saved by Coldhands
    John (49): reaches castle black and warns of wildling attack from south
    Davos (37): brought from dungeon before Stannis, who starts with talk of treason but then names him Hand of the King.

    Obviously many of these story lines may be brought forward or pushed back, but there is certainly compelling material here to for a climax to the season without including the RW.

    EDIT: also, in regards to Robb’s storyline, they could really play up the goodbye scene between Jeyne and Robb, since they are reportedly focusing on their romance this season.

  237. Johan Sporre
    Posted April 10, 2012 at 5:35 pm | Permalink

    Yay!
    I don’t worry about season 4. Announce it now or next year doesn’t really make that much of a difference. I’m certain D&D have already been given the go-ahead to plan for S4 as well.

    Glad to see they’re now speaking of 8.3 million viewers for the premiere episode.

  238. darrylzero
    Posted April 10, 2012 at 5:35 pm | Permalink

    Jonas Jakobsen:
    jkb,

    The guy uttered two words and was shown for a total of maybe 5 seconds. It’s someone they cast as a “stand in” for whenever they really introduce him.

    He’s pretty much just a featured extra.

    I see this as cutting both ways, to the point that I’ll just go ahead and trust D&D on the subject. If they think he’s got what it takes, I’ll assume they’re right. If they don’t, I’ll assume they’re right.

  239. MATTHEW
    Posted April 10, 2012 at 5:47 pm | Permalink

    jkb: i like him too, don’t know why everyone wants him recasted.

    It’s not so much that we “want” him recast; it’s just that we excpect it, as that actor was only an extra.

    However, if he actually has the acting chops to play Dondarrion, perhaps they’ll invite him back to audition for the role of the “real” Dondarrion–it would certainly cause less continuity issues.

    On the other hand, the Lightning Lord’s face will be so heavily mutilated, that it probably won’t matter if the new Beric looks completely different from the old one :-D

  240. MATTHEW
    Posted April 10, 2012 at 5:53 pm | Permalink

    Arthur:
    MATTHEW,

    http://www.google.com/search?q=gannicus&hl=en&client=safari&prmd=imvns&tbm=isch&tbo=u&source=univ&sa=X&ei=W6KET-T3NsPe0QHVxeGzBw&ved=0CEAQsAQ&biw=320&bih=416#i=15

    I think this guy would be an awesome Daario.He played Gannicus in Sparty and basically was a good looking cocky warrior, just like Daario…

    Dustin Clare as Daario… =]

    ha ha ha ha. He does look almost exactly how GRRM describes Naharis, down to his facial expressions. However, it’s extraordinarily doubtful that HBO would hire him to play almost the identical character that he plays on a rival show on a rival network.

  241. Dave
    Posted April 10, 2012 at 5:54 pm | Permalink

    And to think there are people who thinks that HBO won’t renew GoT for a third season…

  242. darrylzero
    Posted April 10, 2012 at 5:58 pm | Permalink

    With regard to the RW:

    I don’t know how it should be handled. I see merits and dangers to placing it in 3-9, 3-10, 4-1, 4-2, wherever. My strong intuition, though, is that the people clamoring for putting it in 3-9 are actually underestimating how devastating it will be. The Purple Wedding will not make anyone feel better, nor will putting Yunkai to the sword (though “Dracarys!” would be a hell of a final moment).

    Some hope is important, but lots of characters are alive, well, and doing important things at that point. So, while it’s incredibly bleak, it’s not a particularly hopeless moment per se. Moreover, I think it’s worth just frankly acknowledging that we will lose people. People will be hurt and angry and maybe feel a little gross. Some of them will not come back.

    That makes me understand the 4-1 or 4-2 placement, and I could see that working, but I’m going to advocate for gimmicks and trickery. I’ve said this before, but here is my case for putting it in 3-10: You can leave people wondering if R & C are really dead. It’s kind of cheap narratively, and it will infuriate some people, but I think it could work to get them back for 4-1. By the time it’s fully confirmed, their emotions are dulled a bit, and they get to see all the other characters they care about moving on.

    I also think the fact that Reek / Ramsay stuff has been pushed back to season 3 could work in their favor. Following the RW with Bran escaping the ruins of Winterfell could be pretty powerful, particularly if they tricked the audience there as well. If people really believe Bran/Rickon might be dead, it’s kind of a trade — a horrible trade, but one that has a certain kind of hope embedded in it.

    I don’t know if these ideas are really any good. Like I said, I see the enormity of the challenge. But I really don’t think we should overestimate the ability to make people feel better in a single episode.

  243. Arthur
    Posted April 10, 2012 at 6:02 pm | Permalink

    MATTHEW,

    Yeah when ever I watch Sparty and see him I think of Daario. As far as D&D not reaching out to him because he is already playing a cocky warrior on Sparty…..

    Why not? It would create some buzz even outside the GoTs fandom and give GoTs free publicity… Sparty fans would become interested and might tune in.

    They stole our mountain, we can steal their Gannicus!

    Plus, Emilia wouldn’t mind getting naked for Dustin, the guys good looking enough to even warrant bromances lol…

  244. Alan
    Posted April 10, 2012 at 6:03 pm | Permalink

    Pastor_of_Muppets:
    Anyone assuming that audiences will respond similarly to Ned’s death as they will to the Red Wedding is, well, wrong (again). David and Dan aren’t idiots and they have to realize that the deaths of two major characters at the end of season three will do more than leave a bad taste, it will destroy the audiences’ souls (and not in a good way). Even if Joffrey’s wedding follows immediately after that episode, it still won’t resonate well.

    This is how it should (and hopefully will) play out. The Red Wedding is the first episode of season four. Everyone expects a season finale to blow their minds (and as I suspect Dany will see a much increased role in the third/fourth season/s, the finale could still do that with the battle at Astapor), but a season opener that blows away conventions like that could be… Unprecedented, bold, daring – all of the above. And doing it in the first episode allows season three room to breath. The Tully’s still have to be introduced, as do the Reed’s and Reek (as it seems the Winterfell storyline will be extended into the third season to keep Theon and other characters in the action) in addition to everything else that occurs in the first three quarters of the novel.

    Season four then begins with the aforementioned event, and includes the remainder of ASoS and chronologically relevant material from AFfC & ADwD. That would make season four the single most epic season in the history of television, and allow those events the time to breathe that they need to be as effective as possible. Viewers will be much less likely to jump ship if they realize that something as horrific as the Red Wedding is only the beginning of that seasons’ storyline.

    Disagree if you like, but I simply can’t see that event occurring (and don’t feel that it should) in the third season. In addition, moving both weddings back also allows the characters in Dorne to get a foothold in the minds of the audience, maximizing the Red Viper’s role in the story and providing an easy excuse to begin introducing this new land/culture/kingdom.

    I don’t agree with your opinion of audience reaction, nor the statement that Season 4 is somehow especially critical to the show’s success. Not saying you are wrong, but the certainty with which you seem to write isn’t justified. I don’t think the opening of Season 4 is a bad place, honestly, though my concern is the pacing of Season 4 then — there needs to be time between the opening as you state and the next really big plot point, for reasonably strong effect. And episode or two at least.

    That said, I think what is being understated here is how hard it will be to adapt a SoS really well. There’s two tough parts working here:

    1) There’s a ridiculous crapload of plot and it’s all awesome. Characters continue to diverge and there’s less talk and more action in this book than anywhere else. I am waiting for some of my favorite plots to be cut right out. The last third of that book is insanely fast paced with huge developments.

    2) How do you integrate AFFC and ADWD? ADWD happens after ASOS, but much of the beginning of AFFC happens before the end of ASOS. With the character splits in the later two books and the relative difference in key plot points, you may actually want to start integrating all three to maintain character pace?

    Then factor in pacing of those points and the desire for a strong Season 3 end, etc.

    My hope is that the placement of key events is less for perceived marketing reasons and more for what makes sense in terms of pace and story. Hoepfully, GOT ratings will be strong enough at the end of this season to justify that type of writing.

  245. Ours is the Fury
    Posted April 10, 2012 at 6:03 pm | Permalink

    Jonas Jakobsen,

    My thought was that they wouldn’t try to hide it from the audience, since we all have eyes and hiding his face totally would be sort of foolish. I figured we’ll know it’s him and some of the tension will be in waiting for her to find out.

  246. Alan
    Posted April 10, 2012 at 6:08 pm | Permalink

    Ours is the Fury:
    Jonas Jakobsen,

    My thought was that they wouldn’t try to hide it from the audience, since we all have eyes and hiding his face totally would be sort of foolish. I figured we’ll know it’s him and some of the tension will be in waiting for her to find out.


    Right – it’s no longer a surprise from the audience and so the suspense will turn onto the fact that we know it’s Barristan, but his motives are unclear and neither Dany nor Jorah know — and Jorah suspects.
    Kind of like with Varys and Illyrio in the Skull Room when Arya overhears. It’s much clearer in the tv series who it is, it just works in a different way.

  247. goober
    Posted April 10, 2012 at 6:12 pm | Permalink

    oh yes.heres to another year visiting house wic.harumph

  248. Delta1212
    Posted April 10, 2012 at 6:12 pm | Permalink

    What? Now I’m extremely concerned. I was hoping we’d hear that HBO had greenlit the show through season 8. The fact that they haven’t shows a disturbing lack of confidence in the show and means we probably won’t get a full adaptation. Seriously disappointing.

  249. LordDavos12
    Posted April 10, 2012 at 6:13 pm | Permalink

    Arthur: Victarion and Strong Belwas better be badasses!Strong Belwas needs an actor similar to Jason Momoa is physical appearance.Victarion needs to be a badass Viking-like warrior with a huge two handed axe or something cool like that…

    Victarion, yes, but Belwas is a fatass. Having someone like Momoa wouldn’t work at all.

  250. Ducky
    Posted April 10, 2012 at 6:17 pm | Permalink

    Boy, you come here expecting excitement about the renewal and instead some commenters are so ungrateful and entitled and have a very short memory. It was only a few years ago when we didn’t know whether this show was ever going to go beyond its pilot. We should be grateful that HBO gave us 2 seasons and has now greenlit a third. And that we have these show runners who are trying to be as faithful to the books as they possibly can be.

  251. Gez
    Posted April 10, 2012 at 6:18 pm | Permalink

    James,

    You are spot on I’d say.

    Dance/Feast do not require more than one season (if anything 1 and a bit seasons perhaps).

    As brilliant as Swords is, 1.5 seasons is really enough for it (though it will probably get two based on what youve written if you factor in scenes in Season 2.

  252. Steven Swanson
    Posted April 10, 2012 at 6:18 pm | Permalink

    Ours is the Fury: Jonas Jakobsen, My thought was that they wouldn’t try to hide it from the audience, since we all have eyes and hiding his face totally would be sort of foolish. I figured we’ll know it’s him and some of the tension will be in waiting for her to find out.

    I think people will be so surprised (and happy) to see him, particularly non-readers, that that will be rewarding in itself. I mean so many people seemed to expect him to leap out of the shadows and save Ned, or something similar, so to have him reappear after so long should be a very pleasant surprise. And then, yes, the tension will be there for a long time after that.

  253. Steven Swanson
    Posted April 10, 2012 at 6:19 pm | Permalink

    Delta1212: What? Now I’m extremely concerned. I was hoping we’d hear that HBO had greenlit the show through season 8. The fact that they haven’t shows a disturbing lack of confidence in the show and means we probably won’t get a full adaptation. Seriously disappointing.

    Well played. I hope.

  254. Arthur
    Posted April 10, 2012 at 6:19 pm | Permalink

    LordDavos12,

    I know he has a big fat belly he likes to scar up… But hopefully the TV adaptation will have him be an in shape, muscle bond, 2handed sword wielding warrior badass… At least that’s my wish.

    They don’t need expensive CGI all the time to satisfy fantasy geeks (like me). Give me a cool looking character (like Jason Momoa) with tattoos and scars… Give him a terrifying two-handed sword and an attitude and there you go… No CGI needed. Just cast a good actor, who looks every inch a warrior, and give him some cool looking gear…

  255. LordDavos12
    Posted April 10, 2012 at 6:21 pm | Permalink

    Ducky: Boy, you come here expecting excitement about the renewal and instead some commenters are so ungrateful and entitled and have a very short memory. It was only a few years ago when we didn’t know whether this show was ever going to go beyond its pilot. We should be grateful that HBO gave us 2 seasons and has now greenlit a third. And that we have these show runners who are trying to be as faithful to the books as they possibly can be.

    Well said

  256. FacelessMan
    Posted April 10, 2012 at 6:40 pm | Permalink

    Excellent news! There’s some nice splitting points in SoS that would make a two season book 3 adaptation work well, so that shouldn’t be too much of a problem. :)

  257. Steven Swanson
    Posted April 10, 2012 at 6:49 pm | Permalink

    Arthur: LordDavos12, I know he has a big fat belly he likes to scar up… But hopefully the TV adaptation will have him be an in shape, muscle bond, 2handed sword wielding warrior badass… At least that’s my wish.They don’t need expensive CGI all the time to satisfy fantasy geeks (like me). Give me a cool looking character (like Jason Momoa) with tattoos and scars… Give him a terrifying two-handed sword and an attitude and there you go… No CGI needed. Just cast a good actor, who looks every inch a warrior, and give him some cool looking gear…

    That would be incredibly lame. Part of the appeal of that character is that he just seems like a big fat blowhard until you finally see him throw down (and squat down).

  258. Pau Soriano
    Posted April 10, 2012 at 6:50 pm | Permalink

    Arthur:
    Vanderhook,

    I totally agree on your two points.But more importantly we need Meera for Bran, to keep his storyline interesting.Who wants to see him interact with Hodor and Osha?That wouldn’t be as fun as him talking to Meera.

    We all have seen Arya and Gentry last episode.That was a fun scene to watch them interact and build a relationship.Bran’s story needs something like that too.

    And like I said before, poor Bran…That kid has been through so much horror.Give him Meera, he needs her!=]

    He doesn’t need shit, u need him to need shit to fulfill some pre-pubescent fantasy…bran is 8, Meera is 15 for christ sake!

    When she hits 18 he’ll still would be 11 -.-

  259. Pastor_of_Muppets
    Posted April 10, 2012 at 6:52 pm | Permalink

    Alan,

    My certainty comes from two things: 1.) I work in a field where gauging public opinion with regards to entertainment (primarily television and film) is one of the most important aspects of my job, and 2.) As a result of my job I’ve closely followed many of the more ‘important’ American television series for the past several years, both as a viewer and as a function of my work (including The Wire, The Sopranos, Deadwood, Breaking Bad, Mad Men, etc.) I’m not saying this makes my opinion more or less valid, simply that I’m coming from a perspective where I’m not looking at this simply through Game of Thrones.

    Ned’s death was one thing, but the events of the Red Wedding are entirely another. As an audience, people will have been following Robb and Catelyn for three or nearly three seasons before the event occurs. The audience already has a vested interest in the Starks, that had developed that during the course of the first season. That, in and of itself, should be a cause for concern regarding casual viewers (defined, in this case, as anyone who hasn’t read the books).

    As far as season four being integral to the continuation of the series; I don’t think anyone will disagree with me there. AFfC & ADwD are the calm in-between the storms, and don’t have the same narrative urgency that every other book in the series has had. This puts them at an immediate disadvantage for televised adaptation. Placing the Red Wedding at the end of the third season (in either 3.09 or 3.10) does not create a satisfying climax even if Joffrey’s wedding is featured in the season finale.

    I’ve gotta’ go so I’ll try to summarize this quickly, but with regards to how to pad out the remainder of the fourth season – you answered the question yourself. There is plenty of material in AFfC that can be shown during the fourth season to go with the remainder of the material in ASoS, and as this will be the first (and possibly last…?) novel that will take two seasons to film, ending the third season with a series of cliffhangers (which Sam DeGee outlined above) makes more sense than with any other season. Another question: How can David and Dan possibly fit in the introductions of so many new characters (including the Tully’s, at the very least, as I’ve already mentioned) without rushing through ASoS to get to the RW and PW, respectively? It seems as though your disagreement actually strengthened my argument that these events should be pushed back to the fourth season, if anything.

  260. Arthur
    Posted April 10, 2012 at 6:53 pm | Permalink

    Pau Soriano,

    Dany is 14! If you want to use your whole book-age based logic.

  261. DH87
    Posted April 10, 2012 at 6:55 pm | Permalink

    MATTHEW,

    Fassbender is too big a star. He’s got at least five major roles in the pipeline right now, including Ridley Scott’s Prometheus, and I see him mentioned as the top pick for virtually every A-list movie being cast now (including Steve McQueen’s new post-Shame project, Twelve Years a Slave, with Brad Pitt).

    However, his casting would quiet all the womenz complaints about parity in the male nudity department once and for all.

  262. darquemode
    Posted April 10, 2012 at 6:57 pm | Permalink

    LordDavos12,

    Agreed.
    I always pictured someone like the old wrestler Kamala the Ugandan Giant as Belwas! XD

  263. Pau Soriano
    Posted April 10, 2012 at 6:58 pm | Permalink

    Gez:
    James,

    You are spot on I’d say.

    Dance/Feast do not require more than one season (if anything 1 and a bit seasons perhaps).

    As brilliant as Swords is, 1.5 seasons is really enough for it (though it will probably get two based on what youve written if you factor in scenes in Season 2.

    Except D&D already said they expect 8 seasons not 7, so Dance and Feast will roughly cover Seasons 5 and 6. That is also good because gives Martin more time to finish the books, and its easier (and more profitable) to Syndicate a show with 8 seasons than a 7 season one.

  264. darquemode
    Posted April 10, 2012 at 7:03 pm | Permalink

    Steven Swanson,

    Exactly.
    He to come off as a fat fool and unbelievable as some great warrior otherwise the role would be changed completely. Plus the utter shock of him actually kicking ass is what makes the character so great to me.

  265. Pau Soriano
    Posted April 10, 2012 at 7:07 pm | Permalink

    Arthur:
    Pau Soriano,

    Dany is 14!If you want to use your whole book-age based logic.

    Making her an adult sexually speaking…Bran is 8!!! E I G H T!!

    What kind of sick mind expect an 8 year old to have a romantic/sexual relationship with a 15 year old??

    Not to mention he’s becoming a tree…

  266. Arthur
    Posted April 10, 2012 at 7:09 pm | Permalink

    Pau Soriano,

    Who said anything sexual? Not me… You are the only one speaking of them having anything sexual.

    Prjectional thoughts perhaps, idk.

  267. Ed
    Posted April 10, 2012 at 7:10 pm | Permalink

    Don’t worry about it, Vander. That’s not our job, that’s D&D’s. They’ve done an amazing job so far, I have full confidence in them.

    Vanderhook:
    If we are going to have Rickon and Bran stay together after Winterfell is destoryed, and then split later, then DnD need to find a new reason for Bran and Rickon to split. Maybe they are attacked by wildlings or something, get lost in a storm, or whatever, but it can not be the same reason they split in the books. In the books, they split to avoid anyone killing/capturing both at the same time, and that reason would make no sense if they used it halfway through their journey.

  268. Pau Soriano
    Posted April 10, 2012 at 7:21 pm | Permalink

    Arthur:
    Pau Soriano,

    Who said anything sexual?Not me…You are the only one speaking of them having anything sexual.

    Prjectional thoughts perhaps, idk.

    You have been talking about it for weeks dude -.-

  269. Mimsy
    Posted April 10, 2012 at 7:25 pm | Permalink

    I think a good breaking point between Bran and Rickon would be when Bran (and group) are almost found out by the Wildlings who jumped the fence (Jon included.. yaay)… that is before Summer nicely intercepted and put a kabosh on that. It might be cool to have the two direwolves trailing along a bit longer and they can both strike at the Wildlings.. leaving Jon with a WTF expression and thinking.. my brothers!!

    Why does Bran need Meera? Well, he doesn’t, but it would be a special connection that he can take with him to you know where. There’s nothing sexual about his liking Meera and she liking him. Let’s not forget that the POV was Bran’s and maybe he was seeing a reciprocation that perhaps wasn’t there? A kind smile or sideways glance from Meera meant one thing to Bran, but in reality could have been nothing from another’s point of view.

    I want to see Meera, cuz she was one cool little girl with her spear and that old soul was a perfect compliment to Bran.

  270. darquemode
    Posted April 10, 2012 at 7:26 pm | Permalink

    Pau Soriano: Not to mention he’s becoming a tree

    Maybe Meera is a dendrophiliac? XD

    I am not a huge of the Reeds I guess so I would not miss them whatsoever. Unless they play a more important role in the last books I’m not sure they are needed in the series. That could all change of course. I get their role in the books, but the books are not the series.

    Plus I am a bit fed up with young teen girl huntresses right now…..
    I have 3 nieces that are huge Hunger Games fans. XD

  271. Mimsy
    Posted April 10, 2012 at 7:27 pm | Permalink

    lol.. I said “fence“.. should be WALL.

  272. Mimsy
    Posted April 10, 2012 at 7:30 pm | Permalink

    Plus I am a bit fed up with young teen girl huntresses right now…..
    I have 3 nieces that are huge Hunger Games fans. XD

    darquemode

    =) Girls have been spoonfed helpless Princess stories for ages, so I quite enjoy the other side of the coin. You’ll just have to suffer a little more. ;)

  273. Knurk
    Posted April 10, 2012 at 7:36 pm | Permalink

    Huzzah! I don’t know why I plough through these comments anymore, but I don’t get people worrying that the omission of a character in the series automatically means that character is not important for the last 2 books (Shireen, Reeds, Blackfish etc.).

    Why are people so hung up the show will follow the book so closely in the end (books that aren’t even published or mayhaps will never be published!)? For the same money GRRM told D&D that the ending was Shireen on the Iron Throne, with Blackfish as the Hand and the Reeds as wardens of the North (slight exaggeration of course, but you get my drift). D&D then would say: screw you George, we’ll make our own ending.

  274. Arthur
    Posted April 10, 2012 at 7:38 pm | Permalink

    Pau Soriano,

    I have never implied they should have a sexual relationship. Stop trying to put words in my mouth please. I just have stated their interactions would be fun to watch on TV.

    You are the only one going off on a rampage of adolescent sex, not me…

  275. Dave
    Posted April 10, 2012 at 7:45 pm | Permalink

    For those suggesting season 3 to have Red Wedding and Joffrey dying. If that happens, they will barely have any material for season 4 (unless they pad things out, you know how people likes that!), seeing as both RW and JW are well into the 2nd half of ASoS. But not only that, you’ll have Tyrion in captivity for the majority of the season until the season finale. The best scenario, imo, is for HBO to give 16 episodes to do ASoS. If they do that and do it right (which I’m sure they will), then screw Mad Men, Breaking Bad and Boardwalk Empire! I’m a fan of those shows, but if any season of GoT that will top those shows for best series in the Emmys and other major award shows, it will be adapting ASoS in one season. You can tell which ASoIaF book is my favorite.

  276. Pastor_of_Muppets
    Posted April 10, 2012 at 7:46 pm | Permalink

    I totally agree that most people in the business underestimate the intelligence of their audience, which is sad because (as evidenced by the intelligent discussion you can find here and in other places regarding TV) a lot of us aren’t simply mindless sheep. My position is more about creating two emotionally and thematically satisfying seasons. Placing the RW, even at the end of the third season, will simply rush things far too much given the amount of new locations and characters necessary to introduce, I think. The event will be robbed of its full impact, as a result, I think.

    Given how much happens during the timeline of ASoS, and the time that will continue to be split between previously introduced characters and new ones in the coming seasons, I agree that it will be an incredibly difficult job to adapt the next two seasons (which will be less of an adaption of ASoS and more of an adaption of ACoK, ASoS, AfFC, and possibly even some of ADwD). I’m simply trying to figure out a satIsfactory way to fit the pieces together that works as a television show.

    Even a show as groundbreaking as Game of Thrones has to cater to certain audience expectations, even if those in the audience are more intelligent than the average viewer, or they can lose that audience (if only a little; and I mean both in terms of numbers and the overall interest of viewers who continue to watch the show) pretty quickly. Look no further than the reception of the last two ASoI&F novels for proof in that regard, and the leeway is infinitely higher in the book world.

  277. Pau Soriano
    Posted April 10, 2012 at 7:49 pm | Permalink

    Arthur:
    Pau Soriano,

    I have never implied they should have a sexual relationship.Stop trying to put words in my mouth please.I just have stated their interactions would be fun to watch on TV.

    You are the only one going off on a rampage of adolescent sex, not me…

    Half of the time I think you are 14, half the other I think you are 30 y old geek who never matured…one day you’ll have to tell us, so I know when I was right.

  278. Winterdark
    Posted April 10, 2012 at 7:52 pm | Permalink

    This is roughly how I think it should play out:

    Season 3:
    Jaime and Brienne depart for KL taken to Harrenhal, hand choppy choppy, Jaime rescues Brienne from bear. Roose Bolton fres both
    Robb returns with Jeyne, plans to take Motte Cailin, names Jon his heir. Edmure becomes lord of Riverrun
    Arya meets Brotherhood and the Hound
    Davos washes ashore, is locked up, Mel visits, Davos is made Hand to Stannis
    Joffrey is betrothed to Margaery, Sansa to Tyrion, Balon sends a peace offer but Tywin spurns it and plans to sell off half the realm
    Mel plans to sacrifice Edric but Stannis gives some of his own blood
    LF departs for the Eyrie
    Fight at the Fist
    Watch mutinies and kills commander Mormont, Sam escapes with Gilly and heads south aided by Coldhands
    Jon meets Mance Rayder, is sent south, flees and reaches Castle Black in time to warn the watch of the coming invasion
    Bran and co reach the wall, meet Sam, Gilly and Coldhands, move north with Coldhands
    Dany gathers an army of unsullied and takes Astapor and Yunkai and heads for Mereen
    Robb marries Edmure off to Roslin Frey
    Red Wedding

    Season 4:
    Sandor and Gregor’s men fight, Sandor wounded. Arya leaves Sandor and departs for Braavos
    In KL they learn of Robb’s death (but not Balon’s that should be postponed to season 5)
    Joff dies during his own wedding
    Tyrion arrested
    Sansa Stark smuggled out by LF and off to the Eyrie
    Davos receives a letter from the NW, saves Edric is about to be executed but reads the letter to Stannis and Mel
    Jaime and Brienne reach KL. Brienne thrown down the dungeons. Jaime new commander of the Kingsguard.
    Jaime refuses to be lord of the rock and refuses to believe Tyrion to have killed Joff. Doesn’t want to have sex with Cersei anymore.
    Trial by battle for Tyrion. Gregor kills Oberyn Martell.
    Tyrion codemned to death but is freed by Jaime and Varys
    Jaime tells Tyrion first wife was not a prostitute and Tyrion kills Tywin
    Jaime frees Brienne and tells her to find Arya and Sansa
    LF murders Lysa Arryn at Eyrie
    Assault on Castle Black
    Slynt arrives at Castle Black, sends Jon out to treat with Rayder
    Stannis and his army squash the wildlings, Rayder imprisoned
    Jon new commander of the NW
    Dany finds out about Jorah selling info and Whitebeard being Selmy. Tells them to sneak into the city and open the gates
    Mereen falls, Selmy commander of the Queensguard Jorah bannished
    Dany stays in Mereen
    Merrett Frey meets Lady Stonehart

  279. Vaess
    Posted April 10, 2012 at 7:53 pm | Permalink

    I think they have to have the Red Wedding in season 3 and the later the better. If you want to end the season a little bit up and on a cliffhanger the final shot of season 3 should be the return of Cat. I am just not sure if that would be too early for that to be revealed. I bet non-readers would return for that explanation.

  280. feyrband
    Posted April 10, 2012 at 7:54 pm | Permalink

    in regards to when the Red Wedding should be… it worked fine for Dexter at the end.

  281. ScottsdaleSam
    Posted April 10, 2012 at 7:54 pm | Permalink

    The problem with putting the RW at the start of season 4 is that people are going to get spoiled to it left and right. Sure most people will never read any articles or previews of the season and will be surprised, but an awful lot(especially the more tuned in fans) are going to have that plot point ruined by social media.

    Putting it at 3-9 makes it easier to limit the spoilerage and gives you 1 episode to settle the shock.

  282. Carey Tran
    Posted April 10, 2012 at 7:54 pm | Permalink

    People are too hung up on Season 4 ending where ASoS ended. It is extremely likely that material from both AFfC and ADwD will make their way into Season 4. If you read recent interviews with David and Dan, they have made very clear that future seasons will not fit neatly within specific books.

    I guarantee that the Red Wedding will make it into Season 3. I think the Purple Wedding will be in Season 3 as well. As exciting as the latter half of ASoS is, people tend to forget how slow and meandering the first half is. It rivals AFfC in terms of characters wandering around from place to place.

  283. Dan
    Posted April 10, 2012 at 7:56 pm | Permalink

    F##kin awesome news!!!

  284. mikeintexas
    Posted April 10, 2012 at 7:59 pm | Permalink

    Kalasin: I think they’ve actually been asked about that and said it was impossible, didn’t they?I don’t think they ever said it was a good idea – it was just fan wishful thinking.I honestly think there’s no feasible way for them to be ready to shoot season 3 while also prepping for 4.

    Look at it this way…Shooting is to start in July. I’m sure they have started plotting out S3 but I bet scripts have not been written. They need to know who they need to cast and what scenes/locations they are going to film for the July-November filming period. I you think of between now and July, that’s only 3 months. D&D said they couldn’t get all the scripts/prep work done beforehand to film two seasons back to back. Due to the role weather plays in the series you really can’t push back the filming season. Filming in Iceland was very troublesome in October-November–it would be impossible in December.

  285. mikeintexas
    Posted April 10, 2012 at 8:03 pm | Permalink

    ScottsdaleSam:
    The problem with putting the RW at the start of season 4 is that people are going to get spoiled to it left and right.Sure most people will never read any articles or previews of the season and will be surprised, but an awful lot(especially the more tuned in fans) are going to have that plot point ruined by social media.

    Putting it at 3-9 makes it easier to limit the spoilerage and gives you 1 episode to settle the shock.

    People forget Joffrey’s wedding takes place about a 100/150 pages past Rob’s. I fully expect the show to have Joffrey’s death one episode after the RW.

  286. Alan
    Posted April 10, 2012 at 8:11 pm | Permalink

    Pastor_of_Muppets:
    I totally agree that most people in the business underestimate the intelligence of their audience, which is sad because (as evidenced by the intelligent discussion you can find here and in other places regarding TV) a lot of us aren’t simply mindless sheep. My position is more about creating two emotionally and thematically satisfying seasons. Placing the RW, even at the end of the third season, will simply rush things far too much given the amount of new locations and characters necessary to introduce, I think. The event will be robbed of its full impact, as a result, I think.

    Given how much happens during the timeline of ASoS, and the time that will continue to be split between previously introduced characters and new ones in the coming seasons, I agree that it will be an incredibly difficult job to adapt the next two seasons (which will be less of an adaption of ASoS and more of an adaption of ACoK, ASoS, AfFC, and possibly even some of ADwD). I’m simply trying to figure out a satIsfactory way to fit the pieces together that works as a television show.

    Even a show as groundbreaking as Game of Thrones has to cater to certain audience expectations, even if those in the audience are more intelligent than the average viewer, or they can lose that audience (if only a little; and I mean both in terms of numbers and the overall interest of viewers who continue to watch the show) pretty quickly. Look no further than the reception of the last two ASoI&F novels for proof in that regard, and the leeway is infinitely higher in the book world.

    Good points, and fair enough. I actually think your last point will be of more issue in the visual world in many ways. Many of the issues that people have with 4/5 are tone and pace-related. The story needs a breather, but people enjoy the action. And people that watch TV more than read books tend to need more action than book readers.

    That said, D&D are going to be able to mitigate criticisms pretty well:

    1) They can avoid missing beloved characters for entire seasons
    2) They can mess with structure so that climaxes in storylines can appear in the same season as the setup. (e.g. Cersei’s storyline is taking three books but really should have been in one).
    3) They can cut storylines if needed. Much of AFFC could be cut outright, frankly, even if I love the Dornish and Brienne storylines (and hate the Iron Islands). Some plotlines in AFFC could be shortened to a scene or two while integrating longer elements (like Cersei, Arya) over longer periods.

    Thanks to the admins for deleting my mistaken spoil-filled post.

  287. Lex
    Posted April 10, 2012 at 8:23 pm | Permalink

    UPDATE: George confirms 10 episodes, covering roughly half the book, and he will be writing Episode 7, entitled “Autumn Storms”. Cool!

    http://grrm.livejournal.com/

  288. Arthur
    Posted April 10, 2012 at 8:27 pm | Permalink

    Pau Soriano,

    When you can’t win debating an issue, pivot and attack the person personally who you are debating with.

    It’s a classic well know strategy used by the losing side of any argument once that side realizes they lost.

    Hence the classic “you must be 14″ line used over and over again on these threads…

  289. tysnow
    Posted April 10, 2012 at 8:38 pm | Permalink

    WTF is with all the spoilers Winterdark, I don’t believe I have ever read just about all the crucial spoilers in one thread before, naughty, naughty.

  290. Randy
    Posted April 10, 2012 at 8:38 pm | Permalink

    “A Storm of Swords is too long to fit in a single season,” said Weiss. “And as readers know, A Feast for Crows and A Dance With Dragons take place during roughly the same time frame, so we’ll have to fold those together. The plan, if we’re lucky enough to be given the opportunity to see it through, is to use as many seasons as we need to tell the story as a whole, to do justice to George’s entire opus.”

    http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/live-feed/game-of-thrones-renewed-season-3-306981

  291. MATTHEW
    Posted April 10, 2012 at 8:44 pm | Permalink

    mikeintexas: People forget Joffrey’s wedding takes place about a 100/150 pages past Rob’s. I fully expect the show to have Joffrey’s death one episode after the RW.

    yes, he’s the last of the 3 kings Melisandre cursed to kick the bucket.

    the famous 4 weddings and a funeral in aSoS are in this order. Tyrion-Sansa; Hoster Tully; The Red Wedding; Joff-Margery; Petyr-Lysa

    at least that’s how I remember them

  292. spacechampion
    Posted April 10, 2012 at 8:58 pm | Permalink

    Not of fan of cutting out the Reeds, but a potential solution regarding Bran & Rickon, Bran & Osha could take Rickon to Skagos, leave Rickon there, then cross to East Watch for Sam to let them through the Wall, as Sam is going to be at East Watch after Jon sends him south by ship.

  293. Delta1212
    Posted April 10, 2012 at 9:01 pm | Permalink

    Lex:
    UPDATE: George confirms 10 episodes, covering roughly half the book, and he will be writing Episode 7, entitled “Autumn Storms”. Cool!

    http://grrm.livejournal.com/

    I initially read that as the episode being titled “Autumn Storms, Cool!” which seemed odd to say the least.

  294. NotAFanOfJohn
    Posted April 10, 2012 at 9:18 pm | Permalink

    WOO HOOO!!!!!!!!!!!!

  295. Renaud Besse-Bourdier
    Posted April 10, 2012 at 9:20 pm | Permalink

    GUYS ! STOP FREAKING OUT ! GEORGE SAID IT ALL !

    “Yes, it’s official.

    HBO has ordered a third season of GAME OF THRONES.

    Like the first two seasons, it will be ten episodes long. This one will cover (roughly) the first half or thereabouts of A STORM OF SWORDS, the third novel in the series.

    I’ll be writing the seventh episode, with the working title “Autumn Storms.”

    Full details can be found at a dozen other places on the web, so I won’t rehash ‘em here. Just wanted to pass along the news to my faithful readers.”

  296. Maxwell James
    Posted April 10, 2012 at 9:22 pm | Permalink

    Lex,

    UPDATE: George confirms 10 episodes, covering roughly half the book, and he will be writing Episode 7, entitled “Autumn Storms”.

    Well that’s… evocative.

  297. qwerty
    Posted April 10, 2012 at 9:59 pm | Permalink

    On a side-note, these comments sections are becoming more and more of a chore to enjoy, due to overwhelmingly nit-picky commentators and unsubstantiated negativity. Tone it down, people. Have a Xanax, and be thankful that A Song of Ice & Fire is receiving ONE OF THE MOST FAITHFUL SCREEN ADAPTATIONS EVER, despite the changes made.

    for serious.

  298. Spryte
    Posted April 10, 2012 at 10:04 pm | Permalink

    The Kingslayer:
    Arthur,
    I just have a feeling Osha is going to stick with Bran because of how impressive Natalia Tena has been.

    They could always just write a character arc for her and Rickon, similar to what they’re doing for Robb and Littlefinger. I’ve always wanted to know more about their journey to Skagos with talk of cannibals and Shaggydog fighting unicorns and whatnot. I realize these events aren’t mentioned until much later, but they can still close the gap somehow. Of course, I’m just saying this because I want to see the Reeds. :)

  299. Emma
    Posted April 10, 2012 at 10:31 pm | Permalink

    YEAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHHH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

  300. thewyrm
    Posted April 10, 2012 at 10:32 pm | Permalink

    All I know is that Tim Roth HAS to play a Greyjoy. I don’t even care which one.

  301. Damián Erro
    Posted April 10, 2012 at 10:48 pm | Permalink

    seriously speaking guys, its “ok” news, not “GREAT” news, lets wait and see if season 2 gets better, these first 2 episodes have been reaaaaally rushed

  302. john
    Posted April 10, 2012 at 11:04 pm | Permalink

    Hmmm “Autumn Storms” any idea what that could refer too? It doesnt seem like it could be the red wedding.where would they end the season?

  303. James
    Posted April 10, 2012 at 11:29 pm | Permalink

    john,

    “Autumn Storms” is maybe referring to the flooding that occurs during the journey to Edmure’s Wedding. I remember the crossing of The Hound and Arya takes place as well as the Journey of Robb and Catelyn to the Twins. If this is true it would mean the Red Wedding could occur in episode 8, and placate all the people who worry about the Red Wedding being a poor place to end the season.

  304. Steven Swanson
    Posted April 10, 2012 at 11:33 pm | Permalink

    Carey Tran: People are too hung up on Season 4 ending where ASoS ended. It is extremely likely that material from both AFfC and ADwD will make their way into Season 4. If you read recent interviews with David and Dan, they have made very clear that future seasons will not fit neatly within specific books.

    Specifically the Iron Islands storyline in Feast, much of which takes place during the latter half of ASOS.

  305. Steven Swanson
    Posted April 10, 2012 at 11:37 pm | Permalink

    Arthur:
    Pau Soriano,

    Hence the classic “you must be 14″ line used over and over again on these threads…

    But do you ever notice it’s not used for many people besides yourself? And I mean between your endless Natalie Dormer “she’s so hot” one-liners and your belief that Jaime should have been/Belwas should be a gigantic badass warrior from Street Fighter with flames shooting out of his eyes, it does make one wonder.

  306. James
    Posted April 10, 2012 at 11:45 pm | Permalink

    Should also add that isn’t it during the same storm that Bran holes up inside the tower and John escapes from the wildlings? Or is my memory failing me. It would be one hell of an episode and set up for the climax that we’ve all been waiting for.

  307. LordDavos12
    Posted April 11, 2012 at 12:49 am | Permalink

    darquemode:
    Steven Swanson,

    Exactly.
    He to come off as a fat fool and unbelievable as some great warrior otherwise the role would be changed completely. Plus the utter shock of him actually kicking ass is what makes the character so great to me.

    Plus it’d be a hell of alot funnier seeing a fatass take a huge dump on Oznak zo Pahl than some in shape guy.

  308. Arthur
    Posted April 11, 2012 at 12:49 am | Permalink

    Steven Swanson,

    But do you ever notice it’s not used for many people besides yourself? And I mean between your endless Natalie Dormer “she’s so hot” one-liners and your belief that Jaime should have been/Belwas should be a gigantic badass warrior from Street Fighter with flames shooting out of his eyes, it does make one wonder

    You know you are right. This is the second person to say I must be 14 on here. First you, now Pau.

    Both of you I recall were on the losing end of a debate on a GoTs issue. That is what usually happens. When you can’t discus the issue on hand in a constructive way by making valid points, you digress to insulting the person who disagrees with you, many times by trying to belittle him. Sometimes by trying to call him names, or refer to him as immature or even “14″. It is done in politics many times, its called character assassination. While I am flattered you have taking such a huge personal interest in me, I must have really made a strong impression on you. Sorry for the pownage from prior arguments involving GoTs issues.

    If being 14 means you have strong opinions and are able to express them in an intelligent way, then I guess I am 14.

    As far as the “Natalie Dormer is so hot jokes”, they are harmless and funny. If you don’t like them so be it. Doesn’t mean because you don’t like them, I must be 14.

    As far as wanting a warrior from the Martin books, to look like a warrior. If that makes me 14, so be it.

    Being personally attacked on boards where opinions are debated isn’t anything new. There are always people like that. I don’t mind really. it is a little annoying but hey, there are a$$holes where ever you go. This fan site is no different…

  309. Arthur
    Posted April 11, 2012 at 12:51 am | Permalink

    LordDavos12,

    Yeahh, because fat people kicka$$!

  310. LordDavos12
    Posted April 11, 2012 at 12:55 am | Permalink

    Arthur:
    LordDavos12,

    Yeahh, because fat people kicka$$!

    …I meant the part where Belwas literally shits on the dudes corpse I’m not sure if you’re attacking or agreeing.

  311. Matt S
    Posted April 11, 2012 at 12:55 am | Permalink

    I think Littlefinger looking through the peep holes in the brothel was relevant to character development, it showed that he always wants to be in control and be aware of everything that is going on under his roof, which is exactly how I think Littlefinger to be. It’s not like he was getting off on it, or being overly cartoony about it. With all of his sex-related scenes it’s always about control not titillation.

  312. Arthur
    Posted April 11, 2012 at 12:58 am | Permalink

    LordDavos12,

    Yeah, that was an awesome epic scene. I really can’t wait for that. It will be better then when Drogo ripped that dudes throat out (which wasn’t in the book).

    If they cast a fat guy as Strong Belwas thats fine, as long as he is also huge and muscular as well.

    I just miss not having Drogo around. No other character in season 2 even comes close to being that cool.

  313. LordDavos12
    Posted April 11, 2012 at 1:01 am | Permalink

    Arthur:
    LordDavos12,

    Yeah, that was an awesome epic scene.I really can’t wait for that.It will be better then when Drogo ripped that dudes throat out (which wasn’t in the book).

    If they cast a fat guy as Strong Belwas thats fine, as long as he is also huge and muscular as well.

    I just miss not having Drogo around.No other character in season 2 even comes close to being that cool.

    Davos is that cool!

  314. Arthur
    Posted April 11, 2012 at 1:07 am | Permalink

    LordDavos12,

    Davos is more like the “Ned Stark moral compass” of all things Stannis.

    He is cool, but not a barbarian type alpha male bada$$ cool. Like Drogo or Belwas is…

    Jaime is badass, but in a knightly way. No character in season 2 is just a raw, straight up warrior like Drogo was…

  315. LordDavos12
    Posted April 11, 2012 at 1:09 am | Permalink

    Arthur,

    Brienne is a straight up warrior, though granted she’s not vicious or anything

  316. Arthur
    Posted April 11, 2012 at 1:14 am | Permalink

    LordDavos12,

    Thats true… She is a knight and takes all her vowes super serious. She is a really interesting character. In the books when she is taking a bath with Jaime, Martin describes her chest as being complete muscle, no breasts, just muscle. I know casting a female bodybuilder wouldn’t be good (unless there was one out there that was a good actress).

    Maybe I am considered 14 for wanting warriors in epic novels like this to actually look epic, I rather think of it as being unrealistic, but one can dream right?

  317. Lucazzy
    Posted April 11, 2012 at 1:50 am | Permalink

    Valyrian,

    Martin confirmed on his blog that season 3 would only cover the first half of ASOS, so in total ASOS will get 20 episodes.

  318. Lea Fakava
    Posted April 11, 2012 at 2:29 am | Permalink

    Lucazzy:

    Martin confirmed on his blog that season 3 would only cover the first half of ASOS, so in total ASOS will get 20 episodes.

    I don’t think it’ll be 20 episodes of ASOS. It sounds like all 10 episodes of season 3 will be dedicated to ASOS while the 10 episodes for season 4 will wrap up ASOS with remaining episodes covering the beginning storylines of AFFC and ADWD. Starting with season 3, the series’s seasons will not be 1:1 with the books.

  319. Coltaine777
    Posted April 11, 2012 at 2:42 am | Permalink

    Lucazzy: Valyrian, Martin confirmed on his blog that season 3 would only cover the first half of ASOS, so in total ASOS will get 20 episodes.

    Very happy to hear this … looking forward to the casting of season 3…oh and Abdullah the Butcher has the perfect look for Strong Belwas :) …

  320. Lex
    Posted April 11, 2012 at 2:43 am | Permalink

    Lucazzy,

    He said “roughly”… nothing is confirmed.

  321. Matt S
    Posted April 11, 2012 at 2:58 am | Permalink

    People really seem to have problem grasping the fact that future seasons won’t be directly in line with the books, i.e 1 book = 1 season or 2 seasons, it’s going to become much looser as it goes on. I’m very glad for this.

  322. Eleanor
    Posted April 11, 2012 at 3:07 am | Permalink

    Yay!

    I never expected S4 to be greenlit at the same time so no disappointment here! It’s all good.

  323. oierem
    Posted April 11, 2012 at 5:31 am | Permalink

    Lea Fakava,

    Hopefully, because 20 episodes is way too much for ASOS. Actually, I’m quite worried about it, because not much happens in the first half of ASOS, and Season 3 could be a really boring season with an awesome ending for one storyline. I don’t really know how can you create a proper story-arc for Season 3 with only half of the book.
    The best case scneario would be to have about 75% of the book in Season 3 (with some bits already covered in Season 2) . Placing the RW in episode 8 seems a good option to me (the PW has to be in Season 3!). If you want to make the RW a total surprise, don’t place it at the end of the season, as it will be evident that something big is gonna happen!

  324. Blaat
    Posted April 11, 2012 at 5:38 am | Permalink

    I want my Shagwell!!!

  325. Gez
    Posted April 11, 2012 at 6:47 am | Permalink

    Pau Soriano,

    Fair point about syndication. Though I guess 6 to 7 could cover off Winds of Winter and Dream of Spring (and perhaps an 8th book by GRRM).

    Though I do hope he can wrap up the next books in a shorter time frame than the last two, perhaps 3 years each.

  326. Gez
    Posted April 11, 2012 at 6:50 am | Permalink

    oierem,

    I agree. Based on the books Book 3 is extremely backloaded – so much happens in the second half.

    However, I guess we don’t know what Weiss and Beinoff have in store for us yet in the show and where exactly they’ll end Season 2 so maybe they’ll find a way.

  327. Gez
    Posted April 11, 2012 at 6:52 am | Permalink

    Matt S,

    Yes judging by the first episodes of S2, that’s the way they are going and its a good thing. I love that the TV series will have surprises even for us book readers.

  328. ricky
    Posted April 11, 2012 at 8:24 am | Permalink

    lefaisan,

    But how do you hold someone to a contract signed as a minor?

  329. darrylzero
    Posted April 11, 2012 at 10:55 am | Permalink

    spacechampion,

    Not bad. I’d miss the logic of splitting up to evade pursuit, but you might be on the right track. Can’t imagine them going all the way to Skagos, though. Maybe Osha could know someone she trusted enough, though, and they could pay him with some relic from the crypts or something…

    I dunno. I think my preferred solution is just for Osha and Rickon to disappear for seasons 4-5, but maybe D & D will come up with some brilliant way of doing something along the lines you suggest. This reminds me a little of when I was re-reading the first book while watching the first season (mostly on a vacation between episodes 7 and 8 I think), and I convinced myself while reading that without the Blackfish Robb’s plan to divide his force would make no sense. I had a really good rationale, too, or I so thought.

    Then I saw it on screen and realized that they really had no time for any of the stuff I was concerned about anyway. They condensed this whole sequence into maybe 10 minutes of screen time. And it worked. It wasn’t as complex or strategic or emotional, but it got the gist of it across and made pretty effective television. I suspect I’ll feel the same way about how they handle Osha after Winterfell.

  330. Kalasin
    Posted April 11, 2012 at 11:38 am | Permalink

    Carey Tran: Kalasin

    Oh I disagree. I agree it’s been generally positive all around, but there have definitely been non-book readers who had mixed feelings about it, both on the internet and among my friends.

    mikeintexas: Kalasin

    Right, isn’t that more or less what I said?

  331. Sadface McBastard
    Posted April 11, 2012 at 2:41 pm | Permalink

    Just my two cents on where to end, having the two weddings in season three seems like a bit of overkill. It’s been several months since I’ve read Storm, so I don’t know the exact flow, but putting Red Wedding in ep 9 and then following up with something where they don’t kill Joff off immediately after would be nice, such as Stannis saving the Watch. Plus that way killing Joffrey gets to start season 4 off with a bang – don’t get me wrong, I’m greatful that the season exists, but getting the current season going has been a bit slow.

  332. ggg
    Posted April 11, 2012 at 4:08 pm | Permalink

    12 episodes please!

  333. methz
    Posted April 11, 2012 at 8:48 pm | Permalink

    the dutch version was split in two , with rw at the end of the first book and i thought it was super. what way to end a season.

    i wonder if the writers, have examined the foreign translations and see how they have split up the book.

  334. Rose Sathmantes
    Posted April 11, 2012 at 8:48 pm | Permalink

    Steve,

    NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

  335. Rimshot
    Posted April 12, 2012 at 6:00 am | Permalink

    MATTHEW: It’s not so much that we “want” him recast; it’s just that we excpect it, as that actor was only an extra.However, if he actually has the acting chops to play Dondarrion, perhaps they’ll invite him back to audition for the role of the “real” Dondarrion–it would certainly cause less continuity issues.On the other hand, the Lightning Lord’s face will be so heavily mutilated, that it probably won’t matter if the new Beric looks completely different from the old one :-D

    ‘Little more than an extra’
    ‘Just an extra’
    ‘Only an extra’

    I’ve said it before…without hard working extras, this whole show would fall on it’s ass. Without the dedication of supporting artists lying in freezing mud or standing in a field for hours, there would be no GOT. So enough with these comments please.

  336. purplejilly
    Posted April 12, 2012 at 7:51 am | Permalink

    Rimshot,
    Hear! Hear! I heartily support the bottom of all our hard working extras!!!
    (big warm hugs)

  337. DM
    Posted April 12, 2012 at 11:37 am | Permalink

    Glad to hear we are getting season 3 on HBO!!! Love the way they make television, really goes for the gritty reality of life…

    You know I would really like to see David and Dan take some liberties with the storyline. Obviously we all know that they will be splitting season 3, and combining 4 and 5… But what I would really like to see is expanding on more interesting storylines, and contracting others. Details? Expand Bran / Rickon, Jon Snow, and Arya. Keep Jaimie / Cersei storylines the same, cut back on Iron Islands / Dorne… Not sure if I want to see more or less of Dany. I like her, but it seems like even at the end of book 5 she has not made any moves, just sort of hanging out around Mereen.

  338. userj
    Posted April 12, 2012 at 1:13 pm | Permalink

    Syrio: There are many kind of Dornish and I always pictured them as Spaniards. They may have some strong Mediterranean features and are darker than the others, but nowhere in the books does it say they are non-white.

    The Dornish are the most specifically described racially of any people of Westeros or Essos.

    Tyrion describes the three types of Dornishmen in aSoS. One of them (Stony Dornishmen who live in the north and mountains of Dorne) are as a group described as being descended from Andals and First men (white) – these are the only ones which have light hair or white skin that burns in the sun. The other two racial groups are descended from the Rhoynar, NOT Andals or first men, and are described as obviously non-white. The first (“Sandy Dornishmen”) are described as having very dark brown skin and black hair. Sandy Dornishmen could be reasonably played by black actors, Indian actors, Polyneasian actors, Middleeastern actors, etc. The other (Salty Dornishmen) has the “olive skin” and black hair that is seen in many places on Earth (middle eastern, South Mediterranean, or even East Asian).

    Tyrion very specifically says that Oberyn (and by extension the other Martells) is “a salty Dornishmen for a certainty.” He’s not descended from Andals or First men. He’s not white.

    Yes, a Spaniard whose skin color was sufficiently dark could be cast, as Oberyn but guess what? James Purefoy is not a Spaniard – his appearance is completely Anglo. It’s very not okay to cast a white british actor in one of only a handful of roles in this series that is specifically described as a person of color.

  339. userj
    Posted April 12, 2012 at 2:09 pm | Permalink

    Sadface McBastard: but putting Red Wedding in ep 9 and then following up with something where they don’t kill Joff off immediately after would be nice, such as Stannis saving the Watch.

    Still not understanding why people don’t mention the most obvious and dramatic mid book climax, AKA the most badass moment in the series, Dany taking control of the Unsullied and conquering Astapor. It very nicely parallels Season 1, too – tragedy for the Starks, unexpected triumph for the Targaryens.

    Having Stannis save the watch shortly after the Red Wedding would be incredibly out of sync timeline wise. No way.

  340. Jen@House Stark
    Posted April 12, 2012 at 2:13 pm | Permalink

    For the love of the Godswood, yeah!! “dancing around”.

  341. Ed
    Posted April 12, 2012 at 2:51 pm | Permalink

    DM:
    …f Dany.I like her, but …

    Congratulations! You’ve been nominated for the biggest understatement in the history of man!!

  342. sheryl siminoff
    Posted April 12, 2012 at 4:19 pm | Permalink

    I believe Season 3 will probably be based on Book 3. Are there any new characters
    in that book? If so who sheryl

  343. MATTHEW
    Posted April 14, 2012 at 12:42 pm | Permalink

    Rimshot: ‘Little more than an extra’‘Just an extra’‘Only an extra’I’ve said it before…without hard working extras, this whole show would fall on it’s ass. Without the dedication of supporting artists lying in freezing mud or standing in a field for hours, there would be no GOT. So enough with these comments please.

    I think you’re misunderstanding. I LOVE the extras in GoT, and people who work as extras in the biz put in long hours with little pay and little recognition.

    So to say that the guy who played Beric is “only” an extra is not a comment on the value of his personal/professional worth or even acting ability but only a comment about his status with the show and the low liklihood he will be hired to play Beric in future episodes.

    Because when shooting the first season they didn’t intend for him to have any major scenes (because, yes, he was “only” an extra), they may want to cast someone else for the more important scenes, someone who they have vetted/auditioned more thoroughly.

    In any case, I do like the grim, serious look of the featured extra who played Beric in that brief scene, and I’m sure that’s why they cast him.

  344. loco73
    Posted April 14, 2012 at 4:16 pm | Permalink

    Yeahhhhhh boyyyyyyyy! Finally!!! Hey I’m just glad we’ve got another season to look forward to! IF we continue supporting the show as we have, I think we stand a faily good chance at getting yet another season, so as to the fourth season well cross that bridge when we get there, for now lets just enjoy the fact that we are getting more “Game Of Thrones” on the menu!

  345. Nymeria
    Posted April 16, 2012 at 12:20 pm | Permalink

    I come a bit late to the party but

    YESSS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Woohooo!

    The best -ever- TV moment is coming!

    I wonder how many screens will be destroyed by shocked viewers following the peak of the season. I wonder if they’ll be crueler than GRRM and finish the season with Arya and a certain axe blow

  346. Michelle
    Posted July 12, 2012 at 5:57 am | Permalink

    Good one! Game of Thrones has become an integrated part of my TV life and I very much look forward to the third season! A subject that has always concerned me a little though is the use of what’s called HBO’s “sexposition” strategy – using nudity and sex scenes as a sort of “artificial sweetener” that does not contribute anything to the story. Fair Observer recently published an article that deals with this, but I’m still not sure what to think of it.

  347. William
    Posted August 23, 2012 at 4:25 pm | Permalink

    This is very pleasing to hear! Most shows never get the greenlight for two seasons at a time, so don’t worry. Imo ending S3 with the RW would be a good (very berserk like and would make people hungry for what happens next) or have it at episode 9. S3 will definitely get an Emmy win for drama series. The show and the books have such a huge following, I’m not worried, there will be a S4! I also like the changes they’ve made from the novels, but I don’t see there being many changes from SoS. The only thing that bothers me, is they won’t get as much money as they should on the DVDs and Blue rays. Thanks to piracy. Anyways I’d give both of my testicles for Winds of Winters release

  348. William
    Posted August 23, 2012 at 4:27 pm | Permalink

    This is very pleasing to hear! Most shows never get the greenlight for two seasons at a time, so don’t worry. Imo ending S3 with the RW would be a good (very berserk like and would make people hungry for what happens next) or have it at episode 9. S3 will definitely get an Emmy win for drama series. The show and the books have such a huge following, I’m not worried, there will be a S4! I also like the changes they’ve made from the novels, but I don’t see there being many changes from SoS. The only thing that bothers me, is they won’t get as much money as they should on the DVDs and Blue rays. Thanks to piracy. Anyways I’d give both of my testicles for Winds of Winters.

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