The Daily Raven episode 7: “The Night Lands” Recap
By Fire And Blood on in Editorial, Humor, Recap.

Raven time!

Here’s Simone’s YouTube link!

Fire And Blood: I do in fact giggle whenever the word “sex” is mentioned.


138 Comments

  1. Ronnie
    Posted April 10, 2012 at 8:10 pm | Permalink

    I’m Ron Burgundy?

  2. Knurk
    Posted April 10, 2012 at 8:19 pm | Permalink

    Fannisters, good one. Though I don’t agree with the sexposition-argument (in fact, it wasn’t sexposition, just sex) this Daily Raven was a win.

  3. T
    Posted April 10, 2012 at 8:19 pm | Permalink

    Another great episode. The likes/dislikes and the book/TV differences were good additions. However, I didn’t like that the “like pony” (or whatever it was) popped up each time with that annoying noise. Once would have been enough.

  4. Lex
    Posted April 10, 2012 at 8:21 pm | Permalink

    I don’t agree about the sex thing, but I do like that Simone’s putting in more personal opinion rather than just a recap.

    I’m guessing the reason she started out in recap mode was because her former webcast series, Game of Thrones for Dummies, was essentially a recap designed to help new viewers understand what was going on. Of course, most of us are longtime readers of the series and don’t need that kind of thing.

  5. Phule
    Posted April 10, 2012 at 8:27 pm | Permalink

    Lex,

    And you and we are the only people using the interwebz….

    Ok I understand.

  6. Siniša Grimjaur Šiško
    Posted April 10, 2012 at 8:39 pm | Permalink

    So it seems she decided, after all, to throw in some opinions in it. But, are they her own? I’m sure I’ve read yesterday some of the things she said around here or in other reviews/recaps, almost word for word. Except the last part about sexytimes, since those were obviously her own thoughts.
    So I’m gonna question the logic and purpose of this, again, coz we basically hear the same words we already read a couple of days ago. If it came out around the same time other major reiewers posted their opinions, it could actually be fun to watch it.
    But watching it right now, when we are already set for the next episode, I kinda wanna ask for 7 minutes of my life back.

  7. Ours is the Fury
    Posted April 10, 2012 at 8:41 pm | Permalink

    If you’re not enjoying it at this point, it may just not be your taste. It happens. :)

    I liked this episode for the most part. I don’t really agree with Simone’s view on the sex scenes, but there are a lot of people who do. It’s a reasonable critique.

  8. Fire And Blood
    Posted April 10, 2012 at 8:44 pm | Permalink

    Siniša Grimjaur Šiško:
    So it seems she decided, after all, to throw in some opinions in it. But, are they her own? I’m sure I’ve read yesterday some of the things she said around here or in other reviews/recaps, almost word for word. Except the last part about sexytimes, since those were obviously her own thoughts.
    So I’m gonna question the logic and purpose of this, again, coz we basically hear the same words we already read a couple of days ago. If it came out around the same time other major reiewers posted their opinions, it could actually be fun to watch it.
    But watching it right now, when we are already set for the next episode, I kinda wanna ask for 7 minutes of my life back.

    Takes a bit of time, bro! There’s only two people doing this thing. For free no less.

    A Monday recap would be very difficult.

  9. gotgotgot
    Posted April 10, 2012 at 8:49 pm | Permalink

    Didn’t watch it but is it as bad as last week?

  10. Delta1212
    Posted April 10, 2012 at 8:50 pm | Permalink

    This is apropos of nothing (well, I guess it is about episode two) but on rewatching the episode last night with my girlfriend, a thought I had fleetingly considered, dismissed and forgotten on my first run through was sounding alarms all over the place in my head.

    Throughout Littlefinger’s whole monologue, my sole thought was oh, hey there Qyburn.

    Now I’m trying to remember why I didn’t think that was obvious the first time I saw it.

  11. Klavonivs
    Posted April 10, 2012 at 8:52 pm | Permalink

    Fannisters????…………ewwwwww, I think I’ll stick with Thronies ;P
    Seriously though, love the “daily” raven. Keep up the good work and let’s call it the weekly raven…..I mean if you’re going to call US Fannisters, might as well call you out as well

  12. Owen Parker
    Posted April 10, 2012 at 9:02 pm | Permalink

    Thanks for another interesting Raven.

    Knurk: Fannisters, good one. Though I don’t agree with the sexposition-argument (in fact, it wasn’t sexposition, just sex) this Daily Raven was a win.

    Seconding this. The brothel sequence was not exposition played over sex. It was just a brief glimpse of sex. I liked that the scene finally gave some insight into the exploitation of prostitution and thought the establishing shots were fine. The mouth wiping was gross, seemingly played for laughs and perhaps a step too far.

  13. Omar Brown
    Posted April 10, 2012 at 9:04 pm | Permalink

    Loved the recap, and the “soap box” sections are my favorite.
    I agree, the brothel scene (other than Littefingers monologue) seemed pointless and out of place. I am no prude, the Theon/ captains daughter and Mel/ Stannis scenes were great.
    Still, not too shabby, can’t wait for next week.

  14. Teresa
    Posted April 10, 2012 at 9:06 pm | Permalink

    Agreed on the gratuitous boinking issue. If it doesn’t contribute to the plot, it becomes more boring than commercials.

  15. MATTHEW
    Posted April 10, 2012 at 9:07 pm | Permalink

    i’m not sure this woman understands the meaning of “sexposition” as we apply it to GoT episodes. this seems fairly rudimentary, but it’s a portmanteau of SEX and EXPOSTION (explaining the backstory).

    so for her to say she doesn’t like sexposition and then to give the examples of the keyhole boffing + Littlefinger wiping the whore’s mouth… neither of those are exposition! and the latter is just silly gross-out humor (which I actually liked–this is a medieval-flavored world and if you read Chaucer or medieval literature, it’s full of such raunchiness).

    Give Simone a glossary.

  16. Greatjon
    Posted April 10, 2012 at 9:11 pm | Permalink

    I like the new format, although I disagree with both “fails.” But that’s the beauty of opinion, of course. I also like that the video was longer, or at least it seemed longer.

    A couple of nitpicky critiques: There was the occasional hard sound like something hitting her microphone, which is understandable except that it happened a few times. Also, during a lot of the Dany segment it looked like the back of her hair was dyed green, which I assume is from the green screen. Not really a critique, just an observation.

  17. Klavonivs
    Posted April 10, 2012 at 9:15 pm | Permalink

    Didn’t comment about the sex scenes in my earlier post, but since everyone else is….. I’m sure we all or most have read the books and understand there will be scenes of this nature in the series. Now I am in no way a conservative when it comes to this topic, but I do not see the need for scenes like this to be a part of every episode. It’s quit insulting, to me at least, whereas they might think that the viewer needs to see this to be hooked to the show. I say if we don’t see every character in every episode (Rob Stark or Jamie) then why does there have to be a sexual scene in every episode as well. Doesn’t mean I ever stop watching, but most of us aren’t 18 anymore and our minds don’t need the constant bombardment of…..that

  18. Luana
    Posted April 10, 2012 at 9:31 pm | Permalink

    “A set of very scary areolas?”

    Really, Simone? So women’s breasts that don’t look like yours are “scary”?

    More than a little disgusted with you right now.

  19. DavosFTW!
    Posted April 10, 2012 at 9:36 pm | Permalink

    Simone likes Davos. DavosFTW! SimoneFTW!

    anyways, that little WIN! pony was funny and cute the first time but then it got a little annoying, maybe you could use different graphics each time. Maybe troll dolls, barbies, popcorn chicken etc.

    I loved the new format. I agree that you could release them a little earlier though. FaB you got your hands on the episode 3 and 4 screeners, can’t you get Simone to watch them then prepare the next reviews early. That’s what all the grown up reviewers did…

    Also where did that picture of the white walker come from?

  20. Klavonivs
    Posted April 10, 2012 at 9:38 pm | Permalink

    DavosFTW!,

    The picture is a screencap from the first episode of season one, where you see a white walker “other” briefly

  21. Pastor_of_Muppets
    Posted April 10, 2012 at 9:39 pm | Permalink

    Another good episode, I thought. Definitely worked better with the personal commentary, though.

  22. Brynn
    Posted April 10, 2012 at 9:50 pm | Permalink

    I though the scary areolas comment was funny.

    The Win My Little Pony however scared me.

    And I could have done without the brothel sex scene too.

  23. Luana
    Posted April 10, 2012 at 9:55 pm | Permalink

    Brynn:
    I though the scary areolas comment was funny.

    Yah, ’cause it’s so much fun to shame women for their bodies. Hilarious.

  24. alex
    Posted April 10, 2012 at 9:58 pm | Permalink

    I liked win/fail graphics. Added some variety visually and was fun. Though agree with other commenters that the “win” graphic should occur once or get a different image/sound after first “win.” It grates after a while.

    If there are concerns about making the video too “cliquey” to GoT nerds, and you guys want to be more recappy, I think there’s a middle ground available. Talk Soup has been mentioned and I think that’s a good feel. Something where Simone walks us through the ep dropping little bits of snark and sarcasm. Sprinkling in her and your opinions here and there.

    But I like this way too. Several funny lines. Good stuff.

  25. Klavonivs
    Posted April 10, 2012 at 9:58 pm | Permalink

    Brynn,

    Scared you??? It’s a Slave Leia My Little Pony!!!! Want to see something scary??? Should’ve seen the overwieght GUY dressed in slave leia outfit at last NYC Comic Con, Now that was scary.
    (BTW, a guy in general in that outfit is bad enough, overweight guy was….ughhh)

  26. Katie
    Posted April 10, 2012 at 10:02 pm | Permalink

    What was going on with the audio today, guys? It was a little distracting, which was a shame because I like this new format.

    My initial reaction to the brothel scene was pretty much what Simone said.

    Actually, no, my initial reaction was “OH HOLY SHIT, my Mom is literally, LITERALLY sitting next to me, I am never watching this show with her again, can someone open the floor right now so I can throw myself into the abyss, THANKS. D: ”

    Once I got over the humiliation and had some time to process, I kind of get where they could have been going with this. The scene was supposed to be about revealing the inherent voyeurism that is ever present in King’s Landing, and showing how heinous an individual Littlefinger is. (Also, in a practical sense, it showed where his info comes from.) That being said, the face wipe is still pretty graphic. This girl just blew a guy, basically against her will (considering Littlefinger’s policy on bad investments), and blankly looked on while her pimp gussied her up for the next customer. Was that supposed to be the comic relief of the situation? I feel like it was, but it came off more as sad. I get that you’re trying to turn the audience into the 3rd voyeur in the room, but just..alright, this was a large amount of words I just wrote to basically say “ick”,lol. I’m all for the show pushing boundaries, but I’d rather see them do it with plot.

    One thing about the comments so far:

    Luana,

    What do Simone’s breasts have to do with this? Dislike the comment all you want, but don’t say “hey, you made a shitty comment, you suck” by making a similarly shitty comment.

  27. Lex
    Posted April 10, 2012 at 10:07 pm | Permalink

    Luana:
    “A set of very scary areolas?”

    Really, Simone? So women’s breasts that don’t look like yours are “scary”?

    Actually, gotta agree with this. I’ve seen a couple other insulting comments online about the Captain’s-daughter’s breasts, which just isn’t cool. Actually, pretty darned offensive (and I’m not easily offended).

  28. spacechampion
    Posted April 10, 2012 at 10:14 pm | Permalink

    WHY are so many people watching this show with their parents beside them??? lol it’s hilarious.

    Anyway, does this quote from D&D settle some concerns regarding the Reeds, Tullys and Reek?

    David.—and I don’t think anyone else asks viewers to process so many storylines and characters. And also one thing to keep in mind is that there are characters in the second book who don’t appear this season, but are coming in later. It’s just about so many new characters introduced in the second season, so we saved some for the next season. They aren’t being omitted, they’re just being delayed.

  29. Arthur
    Posted April 10, 2012 at 10:19 pm | Permalink

    spacechampion,

    I actually watch the show with my parents, siblings and their spouses. Sunday night is family night and we are all adults and enjoy being together and we are all huge fans of Martin’s GoTs.

    There’s nothing wrong with that is there?

    Edit: Enters Meera into Bran’s life in season 3! =]

    Caveat; Not “sexually”, need to point that out because some posters oddly assume that’s how I view it…

  30. Katie
    Posted April 10, 2012 at 10:20 pm | Permalink

    spacechampion: WHY are so many people watching this show with their parents beside them??? lol it’s hilarious.

    …Because it’s her HBO? ;p She’s a big fan, so me and my equally broke ass best friend watch it with her on Sundays. I think that part of the amusement for her is watching her adult daughter screaming in agony “MOMMY NO DON’T LOOK”. Or, you know, apologizing profusely and waiting for her to ground me. Depending on the episode.

  31. Spryte
    Posted April 10, 2012 at 10:21 pm | Permalink

    Holy crap, you people are impossible to please. I thought this Daily Raven was charming and a much better improvement. You guys wanted her opinion, now you got it! Keep it up, Simone!

  32. Hi-Fi
    Posted April 10, 2012 at 10:24 pm | Permalink

    Lex: Actually, gotta agree with this. I’ve seen a couple other insulting comments online about the Captain’s-daughter’s breasts, which just isn’t cool. Actually, pretty darned offensive (and I’m not easily offended).

    Yeah, I agree. I thought the comment was way more insulting than the supposedly “insulting” sex scenes we got this episode.

    I don’t understand why sex is such a big deal. This is a show designed for an adult audience. Whenever I see a sex scene on screen, I just absorb it as something natural. Maybe it’s cultural (not playing the “americans are puritans” card, talking more about my growing experience actually). I guess it just doesn’t bother me at all.

  33. Lex
    Posted April 10, 2012 at 10:24 pm | Permalink

    spacechampion:
    WHY are so many people watching this show with their parents beside them???lol it’s hilarious.

    I saw one ridiculous angry comment on the GOT facebook page yesterday, that basically said “Recut this show and make it PG-13, remove those ridiculous sex scenes that make it impossible to watch with children!”. LOL.

  34. Lex
    Posted April 10, 2012 at 10:29 pm | Permalink

    Hi-Fi,

    There are just SO many problems with the media’s portrayal of women in general, and what it does to a woman’s self esteem and body image. There are obscene amounts of pressure on young women to look a certain way. I like Simone and The Daily Raven, but making nasty comments about an actor’s breasts, because they look natural and not Hollywood perfect, is a terribly irresponsible thing to do. And when the person making those comments is obviously very attractive and, ahem, blessed with perfect endowments, it comes across especially poorly…

    I can forgive this as a joke gone wrong, but really hope not to hear that kind of thing again.

  35. darquemode
    Posted April 10, 2012 at 10:36 pm | Permalink

    Pretty good episode other than the annoying sound FX and crunchy microphone noises.

    I like the Wins and Fails even if I don’t agree with some of them. I really had no issue with the sex scenes this week whatsoever.

    I had to laugh at scary areolae because I thought it at the time and never expected her to say it.

    Did anyone else picture Theon saying “Take off your glasses. Oh … Wait, wait. Let down your hair. No, glasses on, hair back up. Let’s just get that hair right back up”?
    I so had an Arrested Development flashback.

    Littlefinger owns and operates brothels… we are going to see nudity and sex within them and it would be wrong not to. I had no issue with the actual sex of this supposed sexposition scene, but I did feel Littlefinger’s speech was twice as long as it needed to be.

    The only scene that felt a bit off to me was Melisandre and Stannis. It felt awkward on a few levels to me. It felt like it happened to early in our introduction to the Dragonstone story and it was just awkwardly done to me, but mainly because I still don’t quite like CVH as Mel. I did love the symbolism of them making shadowbabies on the map of Westeros. XD

    Agree with her on the Iron Island bits. Brilliant imagery and some fun lines! Whelan is not how I pictured Asha, but she won me over as Yara and I think she was great.

    I loved the Arya and Gendry scenes… but I may be biased since she is my favorite character.

    Sam and Gilly were good, but We get so few Sam scenes it would be nice if he didn’t comment on women every other time we see him. Ghost was awesome!

  36. Hi-Fi
    Posted April 10, 2012 at 10:37 pm | Permalink

    Lex,

    Yep. I haven’t forgot how nasty some people were about Gemma Whelan’s appearence this past week.

    Oh, I like Simone as well. She’s very charismatic and I enjoyed this episode much more than the others. I also stood up for her when some crazies said she was wearing too much cleavage in the video (lol). But this comment regarding the actor’s breasts was uncalled for. Mockery has its place and its fans (including myself, when done correctly). This one I just found lame.

  37. gotgotgot
    Posted April 10, 2012 at 10:40 pm | Permalink

    This episode was much better then last week.
    Except for the annoying win and fail soundeffects and edits.
    It’s distracting, annoying and not needed at all.

    I would agree that the brothel scene was a little bit much. There are plenty of ways to shoot the same scenes without showing what was shown. It didn’t add anything. And yea was gross. Its as if th directors are trying to 1 up previous episodes when the ‘sex scenes” are ready to shoot.

  38. Katie
    Posted April 10, 2012 at 10:40 pm | Permalink

    Lex,

    Lex: I like Simone and The Daily Raven, but making nasty comments about an actor’s breasts, because they look natural and not Hollywood perfect, is a terribly irresponsible thing to be doing. And when the person making those comments is obviously very attractive and, ahem, blessed with perfect endowments, it comes across especially poorly…

    See, ok. I am completely behind not perpetuating stereotypes in the media that are damaging to the psyches of young girls. But, I really also do not understand why the fact that Simone is pretty has to be brought up in every. Single. Daily Raven post. How is that a different issue from what you’re highlighting? We’ve heard everything from “she’s too pretty, she’s not a real fan”, to “WHOA, nice” comments without any insight into how the episode was, to comments like this where you’re implying that BECAUSE she’s pretty, she’s being a mean girl to the actor in question. If you’re going to make a comment, can we for once take Simone’s looks out of the equation and just reference her as a host?

    Getting to the actual joke: The way the character was portrayed, both in the camera work, makeup, and dialogue, she was not supposed to be attractive. I don’t know what this actress looks like in life, but in this part she was made up to be what the script needed her to be. Was this joke in the video on the crasser side? Yes. I’m not saying it was the best move. But it’s how the show wanted you to see this character. If you’re going to be upset, take offense that the entire scene consisted of Theon making this girl feel like shit, while fucking her entirely out of convenience. Except you can’t really, because that’s what’s in the books. That is the point.

    You can’t really get mad at this joke without similarly railing at the content itself. If you’re not willing to do that, it’s more constructive to cringe at the rough humor and move on.

  39. spacechampion
    Posted April 10, 2012 at 10:44 pm | Permalink

    Katie: …Because it’s her HBO? ;p She’s a big fan, so me and my equally broke ass best friend watch it with her on Sundays. I think that part of the amusement for her is watching her adult daughter screaming in agony “MOMMY NO DON’T LOOK”. Or, you know, apologizing profusely and waiting for her to ground me. Depending on the episode.

    lol — funnier and funnier. That’s cool; however for every future sexposition scene I’ll be imagining thousands of fans squirming in their seats while their parents blink in shock.

  40. Knurk
    Posted April 10, 2012 at 10:46 pm | Permalink

    I really liked the Captain’s Daughter, probably the best 1-scene role this season so far. Convincingly played and very gutsy to do the entire scene in nude. D&D get a lot of slack for being juvenile guys in the comments here with their ‘bad sex-scenes’ but this scene was wonderfully done.

  41. Katie
    Posted April 10, 2012 at 10:51 pm | Permalink

    Knurk,

    I agree. My heart broke for her, she desperately wanted out of her situation and tried to milk whatever advantage she thought she had for all it’s worth. Unfortunately Theon is an asshole at the moment. The actress did a lot with what she had, it was a good scene.

  42. Hi-Fi
    Posted April 10, 2012 at 10:56 pm | Permalink

    Katie,
    While I agree that Simone’s looks have nothing to do with anything, I’m not sure I can agree that “You can’t really get mad at this joke without similarly railing at the content itself.” The content had… context in the episode. Here is just someone pointing out how “weird” the actor’s breasts were, and I’m pretty sure her breasts weren’t a product of make-up or special effects.

    Knurk,
    She was fantastic.

  43. Solar
    Posted April 10, 2012 at 10:57 pm | Permalink

    Osha’s name hasn’t even been mentioned yet (neither have Summer or Grey Wind for that matter) so why change Asha to Yara? Which sounds a bit like Arya who is a slightly more important character than Osha. But I digress. Overall I love this show but that particular name change will never make sense to me.

  44. Arthur
    Posted April 10, 2012 at 11:02 pm | Permalink

    Knurk,

    I agree… But what made the scene really good to me was it was kind of like reliving the reading experience. Having it brought to life on the screen. I loved it.

    That’s the difference from the Ros scenes. The Ros scenes seems to come off as forced, unneeded awkward scenes. It’s like they keep Ros in the TV series as an excuse to veer the plot back to the whore house for some quick shots of women being used and abused by the clientele. It’s almost like Ros is a separate storyline like a “Life of a Whore in Westeros” reality show that I am totally uninterested in. D&D try to justify it by having Littlefinger whisper a story in her ear.

    I can see women being offended by the use of Ros and all the scenes she brings with her. As another poster pointed out, the Ros/brothel scenes only satisfy a percentage of male viewers and the women watching feel dirty and degraded. True Blood sex scenes work because it’s not a whore doing the scene it’s Sookie. The sex scenes are done in a sensual erotic way with hunky male actors so the female viewer also finds herself enjoying the scene.

    This Ros/brothel scenes are aweful and need to end. Ros is yet again a low point in every scene in every episode she is in. Only difference is instead of seeing her nude and taking whore baths, we see the whores around her being degraded.

    If they want to show some sex scenes then show Robb with Jeyne in a sensual sex scene. Show Jon with Ygritte. Show Rently with Margaery.

    Show a sex scene not involving whores… Aka Ros scenes.

  45. Katie
    Posted April 10, 2012 at 11:03 pm | Permalink

    Hi-Fi,

    I’m 95% sure you’re right, but it’s just as possible that they, erm, enhanced certain areas to drive (oh, jeeze) whatever point home they were trying to make.* Again, the joke was crass. But as fans of this series, you’d think we’d be used to it by now.

    Also, I’d probably be more inclined to agree with the sentiment had the original commenters not lead off with what boils down to “look, the hot chick is being a judgmental bitch.” That just kills the argument right there.

    *The self-control it took to supress the 12 year old in me from giggling at every possible innuendo in this sentence was impressive. You should be impressed, is what I’m saying.

  46. Nagga's Kin
    Posted April 10, 2012 at 11:06 pm | Permalink

    Yes! Great episode, Simone. You listened to your fans on what they wanted: more opinion, less recap. Thank you for that.

    Production notes:

    - I like the Fail/Win idea, but by the third time the psychadelic background for that pony was making me a bit nauseous.

    - There was a lot of crackling and not the deliciously porky kind. It sounded as if someone repeatedly touched the microphone during recording.

    Content notes:

    With Yoren having to stand up to the Gold Cloaks and Maisie Williams’ obvious, uhm, development forcing D&D to let Gendry figure out that Arry is a girl early, the time allotted to the three prisoners in the cage seemed about right to me – but then, I’m a guy and Tom Wlashiha is just an interesting actor to me.

    Which segues nicely to your soap box about the gratuitous brothel sex and Snowballgate. Apparently, HBO execs still think men actually buy subscriptions just to catch a few seconds of lame softcore porn here and there. Seriously, there’s a whole Internet full of free XXX videos! For legal reasons: allegedly.

    What HBO excels at is storytelling, especially the very rich tapestry of GoT. Sex scenes – including fairly explicit ones like Dany’s wedding night, Cersei’s incests, Renly/Loras, Yara’s gambit and Stannis/Mel – are indeed perfectly valid as long as they deepen our understanding of a character, a relationship dynamic or they actually set up an important plot development scene.

    For example, it would have made perfect sense last year to show Ned and Cat lovingly cavorting under a blanket before Maester Luwin knocked on the door. It was their last night together for months, perhaps ever, for Pete’s sake! Coitus interruptus would surely have made them angry but enhanced the import of Lysa’s message.

    In ep 12, D&D could have chosen to show Mormont being kept awake by the sounds of Crastor raping one of his daughter-wives. Cut to Dolorous Edd’s face as he anticipates the – no doubt mortified – girl’s vart. His puerile triumphant grin quickly fades as we hear Crastor getting up, then an unintelligible plea from another girl, a brief tussle and a hard slap. Cut to Jon chasing Craster into the woods instead of minding his own business as the others had just done. Wordsmithing is for southerners like Littlefinger.

    By contrast, even brief gratuitous sex always comes at the expense of screen time for an (potentially) relevant detail or a witty line somewhere else. Given the overall quality of the writing, I for one would rather have that.

    However, if HBO execs won’t sign on the dotted line without any T&A, they shouldn’t be squeamish about also catering to the guilty pleasures of the show’s sizeable female audience. The snag is that hunky extras with impressive hydraulics probably may not be what the ladies have in mind and, the hunky leading men have better lawyers.

  47. Lex
    Posted April 10, 2012 at 11:08 pm | Permalink

    Solar:
    Osha’s name hasn’t even been mentioned yet (neither have Summer or Grey Wind for that matter) so why change Asha to Yara? Which sounds a bit like Arya who is a slightly more important character than Osha. But I digress. Overall I love this show but that particular name change will never make sense to me.

    I agree, I think the Yara name change is a mistake, 100%. And the reason/justification is just lame. As you say, Osha hasn’t even been mentioned by name. And even if she had been, no one would ever confuse them.

    I try not to nitpick, and it’s really not a big deal, but it’s too bad because I really like the name Asha! It would have been great to hear Alfie Allen say “ASHA?!?” Anyways, I love Gemma Whelan’s performance so far, so I’m not too upset.

  48. Lex
    Posted April 10, 2012 at 11:13 pm | Permalink

    Katie,

    IMO, you’re twisting my words or misunderstanding them. My main point was that the comment about the actor’s nipples was irresponsible and offensive.

    Yes, I DID reference Simone’s looks, but precisely because they’ve been mentioned so many times. I really don’t care about Simone’s looks either way, but I do think it makes the comment come across even more poorly. Regardless of how you feel about it, what we have here is a stereotypically attractive female calling a non-stereotypically attractive female’s breasts “scary”. Some people will be offended by that.

    Anyways…

  49. Hi-Fi
    Posted April 10, 2012 at 11:15 pm | Permalink

    Katie,
    Heh, I’m used to crass jokes, for sure.

    This one just rubbed me the wrong way. Other than that, Simone remains doing a good work.

    And color me impressed!

    Lex,

    I’m already upset about the strong possibility of not having Gemma in the next two seasons. Almost hoping for D&D to script a few scenes for her that weren’t in the books.

  50. spacechampion
    Posted April 10, 2012 at 11:27 pm | Permalink

    The only sex scenes people are complaining about are the brothel ones; I don’t think anybody has really complained about any of the other non-brothel scenes in any episode so far, other than to disapprove of Dany’s marriage night as rape, and joke about the Westerosi sex manual lacking the missionary position. (OMG did Stannis invent the missionary position last episode??)

    The brothel sex scenes have been over the top, but I don’t buy it that D&D put them in gratuitously. They strike me a rather careful writers, thinking deeply of what they write about, and its their job to compress not only the plot points but the themes and the characterizations as much as possible for the show. They did not keep Ros around just to employ an actress they like. They specifically have said she’s there to amalgamate the roles of several of the prostitute characters (Chatayaya and Alayaya being the primary ones I believe) as well as serve the show in other ways:

    Dan: Esmé Bianco started out as a one-scene player, but we really loved what she did in the scene and we realized she was a way of representing a class of person that the story doesn’t generally focus on, and she can serve all sorts of different functions down the road that exist in five or six different characters.

    The whole Littlefinger watching one customer watching another customer thing struck me as a purely thematic statement. I’m going to give D&D the benefit of the doubt.

  51. Casual fan
    Posted April 10, 2012 at 11:38 pm | Permalink

    spacechampion: They strike me a rather careful writers, thinking deeply of what they write about

    I don’t think the scenes are necessarily just ‘gratuitous’. Setting a brothel as a backdrop for exposition merely betrays a lack of imagination and it is plain to see to all except hbo fans which is widely renown for tvma sex scenes. There are millions of ways to develop a character. D&D chose basically to develop many characters and plots to a porno. I agree they are compressing though.

  52. darquemode
    Posted April 10, 2012 at 11:56 pm | Permalink

    spacechampion,

    Thanks for the link.
    I always assumed Ros would take on the parts of Chataya and Alayaya, but it’s nice to read D&D confirm it.. Her scenes this year have been quite good and I see why D&D decided to enlarge her role.

    The thing about the sex scenes and their over-the-top nature is that in the world of Westeros (not entirely unlike our own) sex is power. This season is all about power in its various forms and how people use it. Women use it to control men, men use it to control women, and Lttlefinger uses it to control everybody. What better place to collect information (and thereby power) than a brothel?

    This world is debauched and to not have sex in it would be losing a major part of GRRM’s creation. Sex (the way sex is used by various players and the threat of rape) is as important as many of the other themes in the saga.

  53. spacechampion
    Posted April 10, 2012 at 11:58 pm | Permalink

    darquemode:
    Yep, i agree with everything you said.

  54. Katie
    Posted April 11, 2012 at 12:05 am | Permalink

    Hi-Fi,

    Thank you, thank you. Well deserved, I think. ;)

    Lex,

    We’ll have to agree to disagree here. Ultimately, humor is subjective. I honestly think it’s just as offensive to have to go over and over the fact that Simone is pretty, and hear arguments that this colors her commentary, every time we have a Daily Raven post. It just brings up the entire idea of what it means to be an attractive female, or to not be one. But if that’s not where you’re going with this, then this statement isn’t for you.

  55. tysnow
    Posted April 11, 2012 at 12:09 am | Permalink

    Patrick is soooo awesome as Balon, I hope D&D alter the plot and extend his presence a couple seasons into the series, he is just way to cool to lose early on.This is an adaption afterall, so it is one change I wouldn’t mind.

  56. tysnow
    Posted April 11, 2012 at 12:12 am | Permalink

    BTW, “Sigh-moan”, I want to take you as my salt wife, (I probably have to get in line with a few thousand others though).

  57. Robert
    Posted April 11, 2012 at 12:15 am | Permalink

    I love reading (and hearing) about people whine about sex scenes. In a brothel.

    You know, I never would’ve guessed that so many Puritans watched Game of Thrones.

  58. Matt S
    Posted April 11, 2012 at 12:29 am | Permalink

    Much prefer this format, loved hearing Simones opinions even if I didn’t agree with the negative ones. Really entertaining and interesting. :)

    To weigh in one the sex issue (because apparently it’s an issue now?) I really don’t understand people who are offended by sex, that’s like being offended by eating or breathing, it’s a natural part of life. And the brothel scene having sex scenes? Good lord, who would have thought there’d be sex and semen in a brothel?! I find violence a lot more offensive than sex, but you never hear people complaining about that. (And nor would I because I’m not because I know it has it’s place here).

  59. Spryte
    Posted April 11, 2012 at 12:41 am | Permalink

    Not understanding the big deal over the “scary areolas” joke. Mine are pretty big and can be considered scary to some, but the last thing I felt was offended by the joke. It was a joke. Insecure about yourselves much? How are you following a series like this without getting offended about the comments and portrayal of women? How did you get through reading the books with Jaime making fun of Brienne and all her womanly parts? And how do you call others prudes for disliking certain sex scenes, then bitch about someone saying “scary areolas?”

    Can’t stand you self-righteous types with your double standards. Get over it.

  60. Dee
    Posted April 11, 2012 at 12:44 am | Permalink

    Good episode. I really appreciate you opting for opinion in place of a straight-up recap, it makes for a far more interesting watch. I agree with you on the brothel sex scenes. We all know what goes on in a brothel, they really don’t have to hit us on the head with it every time we visit there, it’s cheep titillation that adds nothing to our knowledge of the characters.

    Thanks for the effort, I enjoyed it. My only note of criticism would be the My Little Pony graphic, lose it if you can.

  61. Lex
    Posted April 11, 2012 at 12:53 am | Permalink

    Spryte,

    There is a HUGE difference between the portrayal of brutal sex in Westeros, and someone in OUR society making fun of an actor’s breasts. If you don’t get that, then…

    I’m almost never offended, I tend to get annoyed by political correctness, and this still bothered me.

  62. Matt S
    Posted April 11, 2012 at 12:57 am | Permalink

    I think Littlefinger looking through the peep holes in the brothel was relevant to character development, it showed that he always wants to be in control and be aware of everything that is going on under his roof, which is exactly how I think Littlefinger to be. It’s not like he was getting off on it, or being overly cartoony about it. With all of his sex-related scenes it’s always about control not titillation.

    (Accidentally posted this in the Renewal thread, was meant to go here)

  63. Dan
    Posted April 11, 2012 at 1:02 am | Permalink

    I thought the scary areola comment was funny. I can’t relate to people who get upset about this. Oh well, to each his own. I didn’t agree with her comment on the brothel scene though. I found that funny. It takes a lot to offend me. Chances are if your intent was not to offend then I won’t take offense.

  64. Dan
    Posted April 11, 2012 at 1:13 am | Permalink

    Lex,

    Why is it taboo to make fun of someone’s breasts in OUR society? Is it just breasts or are all body parts off limits? Can I at least keep my blond jokes in my reportoir? I’m Irish, can I keep my drunken Irishmen jokes? The more I think about this the more I think comedy is going to suck if we can’t say things that might hurt some persons self esteem or delicate sensibilities.

  65. Arthur
    Posted April 11, 2012 at 1:18 am | Permalink

    I think the women in this fandom are a little bit touchy right now.

    I wouldn’t blame them, being that every sex scene in the series so far has been of a woman being used and degraded like some kind of…. Whore…..

  66. Luana
    Posted April 11, 2012 at 1:26 am | Permalink

    Katie:

    One thing about the comments so far:

    Luana,

    What do Simone’s breasts have to do with this? Dislike the comment all you want, but don’t say “hey, you made a shitty comment, you suck” by making a similarly shitty comment.

    Katie, the fact that you got any sort of comment on Simone’s breasts or her looks out of my initial comment comes as a complete surprise to me. I certainly wasn’t thinking about it at the time. The point I was trying to make by phrasing it that way, since it apparently requires elaboration, is that calling someone who looks different than you “scary” is problematic.

    Having said that, now that I’ve read all of the other comments, I see that a hurtful put-down of an actor’s breasts coming from a woman whose chest conforms to what is presented as attractive in mainstream American culture does come across as having an extra layer of “mean girls” snarkiness to it. Especially when you’ve expressed annoyance with people commenting on your own cleavage on this very message board.

    So, I dunno, Katie, should I thank you for making me realize that Simone’s body actually could be relevant to the discussion in this particular case? Or is that shitty? Hell, I don’t even know anymore…this whole thing just makes me sad. I just hope the actor and impressionable young girls who read all the nasty online comments don’t feel compelled to get breast implants because they worry that people will think their natural breasts are ugly and scary.

  67. Matt S
    Posted April 11, 2012 at 1:27 am | Permalink

    Arthur:
    I think the women in this fandom are a little bit touchy right now.

    I wouldn’t blame them, being that every sex scene in the series so far has been of a woman being used and degraded like some kind of…. Whore…..

    Yeah because Mellisandre asking Stannis to have sex to further her religious agendas is totally degrading *rolls eyes*

  68. Arthur
    Posted April 11, 2012 at 1:29 am | Permalink

    Matt S,

    It was degrading… For Stannis! =)

  69. HERP-DERP
    Posted April 11, 2012 at 1:34 am | Permalink

    Arthur: I wouldn’t blame them, being that every sex scene in the series so far has been of a woman being used and degraded like some kind of…. Whore….

    most women act like whores these days… so its kind of an accurate depiction.. thats probably why I’ve never minded the sex scenes this season so far.. [except for that one scene where stannis forgets to remove his pants before having sex..]

  70. Hi-Fi
    Posted April 11, 2012 at 1:36 am | Permalink

    OT – First interview I’ve seen of Gemma Whelan (didn’t see it posted here yet):

    http://www.accesshollywood.com/game-of-thrones-newcomer-gemma-whelan-talks-yara-greyjoy_article_63073

    Apparently, she’s set to return in Season 3, which makes me extremely happy.

  71. MATTHEW
    Posted April 11, 2012 at 1:36 am | Permalink

    Matt S:
    I think Littlefinger looking through the peep holes in the brothel was relevant to character development, it showed that he always wants to be in control and be aware of everything that is going on under his roof, which is exactly how I think Littlefinger to be. It’s not like he was getting off on it, or being overly cartoony about it. With all of his sex-related scenes it’s always about control not titillation.

    (Accidentally posted this in the Renewal thread, was meant to go here)

    although slightly artsy-fartsy in the way it was photographed, I loved the notion that Littlefinger was peeping at someone who was simultaneously peeping at someone else

    this was not gratuitous; rather, it was a somewhat heavy-handed visual metaphor for what goes on in Kings Landing. always being watched, always watching, watching being watched, etc. very cool, IMO

  72. Lex
    Posted April 11, 2012 at 1:40 am | Permalink

    Dan,

    I’m done explaining this. If you’re interested, scroll up to my first comment on the issue, re: media’s portrayal of what a woman should look like, and the huge amount of damage this has on young women.

  73. Arthur
    Posted April 11, 2012 at 1:41 am | Permalink

    HERP-DERP,

    I just want GoTs to succeed. I think it would be in D&Ds best interest to make sex scenes enjoyable for both male and female viewers.

    Ros/Brothel scenes make sex scenes, for the female viewer, degrading. That’s all I am trying to say. I’m not offended by the acts, I’m just offended on how far out of the story of GoTs D&D have taking it.

    I understand the Littlefinger scene was a metaphor of him “watching the watchers”, but the fact D&D keep taking us back to the Ros/Brothel scene is very annoying.

    If it happens again this coming Sunday I am going to flip out. Lol, seriously I will be so annoyed.

  74. tysnow
    Posted April 11, 2012 at 1:45 am | Permalink

    If Craster is killed this season, I hope it is Snow that does the deed ala Wolven movie.
    The most awesome wolves in film till GoT came along.
    Here’s hoping Snow does in Craster like the police capt. in this video clip from the film.

    Wolfen wolves get some head

    The whole clan is present if you notice, Snow, Summer, Grey Wind and Nymeria, but it appears Shaggy Dog does the dirty deed.

  75. Luana
    Posted April 11, 2012 at 1:49 am | Permalink

    HERP-DERP: most women act like whores these days… so its kind of an accurate depiction…

    And the trolls crawl out of their holes…right on cue.

  76. Arthur
    Posted April 11, 2012 at 1:53 am | Permalink

    tysnow,

    Those wolves do look pretty awesome…

  77. Raven
    Posted April 11, 2012 at 1:54 am | Permalink

    I really enjoyed this Daily Raven episode and agreed with most of the points made. I especially liked that Simone was a little more playful, relaxed and shared her own opinions on the episode. Much better than a droning recap.

    Hope to see more of this!

    PS – I am not the conservative or squeamish type myself, but I could do without seeing another “face wiping” type of scene in GoT ever again. Just sayin’…

    PPS – OMG Ghost looked amazing. Favorite part of the episode. Hope we see more of the wolves soon. A lot more!

  78. Lex
    Posted April 11, 2012 at 1:55 am | Permalink

    Luana,

    He vehemently denies being a troll, but yeah, that comment was way over the line. Official troll status achieved.

  79. Spryte
    Posted April 11, 2012 at 1:55 am | Permalink

    I’ll respect the fact you are offended, but I still think you can grow some tougher skin and find more serious issues to be offended by. Let’s face it, majority of human beings judge others by physical appearance. It is, unfortunately, a harsh reality of our society (and of Westeros too since you want to say that the themes occurring in the series are so dissimilar — they really aren’t). It’s a matter of brushing it off and moving on. You’ll come across people in life who’ll make fun of you and say you’re ugly, fat, short, tall, or inadequate. If you’re strong and confident with yourself, then those types of comments won’t even matter.

    Like, say, ignorant dimwitted comments like these:

    HERP-DERP: most women act like whores these days… so its kind of an accurate depiction..

  80. Lex
    Posted April 11, 2012 at 2:08 am | Permalink

    tysnow,

    LOL, that looks like the best movie ever.

  81. The DarkStar
    Posted April 11, 2012 at 2:11 am | Permalink

    Totally a good episode.
    I completely agree with the sexposition deal, and I LOVED the like pony.

  82. Ghost
    Posted April 11, 2012 at 2:12 am | Permalink

    Biggest Wins

    -Stannis and Melisandre together
    -Tyrion banishing Slynt
    -Cersei threatening Littlefinger

    Biggest Fails

    -Brothel scene
    -No visuals of pirate fleet
    -Couldn’t think of anything else

  83. Dan
    Posted April 11, 2012 at 2:23 am | Permalink

    Lex,

    What about the damaging blond jokes, fat jokes, catholic jokes, Irish jokes, etc? Where do you draw your pc line? I give girls more credit than you do, apparently. I don’t think hearing that joke will cause them to go out and get breast implants or damage their minds. If girls were as weak minded as you seem to think they are then men would walk all over them. The fact that most guys I know are ruled by their women seems to puncture some holes into the idea that women are weak enough to be damaged by a joke. Sure, some people have self esteem issues but that existed long before tv.

    Anyways, I thought it was funny and hope the pc police don’t turn The Daily Raven into a boring, no jokes allowed review. Keep on keeping on Daily Raven.

  84. Lex
    Posted April 11, 2012 at 2:31 am | Permalink

    Dan:
    Lex,

    What about the damaging blond jokes, fat jokes, catholic jokes, Irish jokes, etc? Where do you draw your pc line? I give girls more credit than you do, apparently.

    Racist jokes are still jokes. Insulting how someone’s breasts look isn’t a joke, it’s just an insult. Where was the setup, the punchline, etc? Your analogy doesn’t work.

    Anyways, I’m not going to waste any more energy trying to explain this to you. I’m no PC police (I’ve defended almost all the sexual content in the show so far, none of it has offended me). I’m not even particularly passionate about this issue, but I am aware of the fact that it IS a HUGE issue for many people. I’m sure you could find millions of threads on thousands of forums all over the internet discussing this. You don’t seem to have a clue about how damaging the media is to the self esteem of young women, how it contributes to eating disorders, etc. Media portrayal of female beauty is a BIG topic, not just some personal issue of mine. Look into it, if you’re actually interested.

  85. James
    Posted April 11, 2012 at 2:33 am | Permalink

    It’s getting a little ridiculous how many small comments, short sex scenes and bad jokes are blown way out of proportion in nearly every post. In one thread a user was pounced on for finding the new writer attractive and asking for her number (as a joke). Now Simone gets attacked for a light hearted and very brief comment of another’s physique. Can we just enjoy the fact that the show is being made and that its very successful and stop being so sensitive to the least little thing? People can be mean and/or stupid at times, the world’s an imperfect place – which I for one would take any day over some utopia. Get over it already.

  86. Cerb
    Posted April 11, 2012 at 2:39 am | Permalink

    Lex,

    He is The Smiling Knight.

  87. Mimsy
    Posted April 11, 2012 at 2:39 am | Permalink

    I will forever associate GOT with ponies… more please! The only negative was the sound failure. It was like listening to nails go down a chalkboard.. very distracting and made me cringe several times.

    I thought the areola bit was funny. I’m sure the actress knows more than any one of us how her breasts would be received by the masses and that there might be some commentary. They just weren’t the typical “Hollywood” breasts and I thought that was great and fitting to the scene. Captains daughter FTW! I really liked her and Theon’s a pig for taking advantage of her!

    What stands out to me about the GOT sex is that the poor women (aside from some ho’s) aren’t having any fun and that makes ME not have any fun either. I’m looking forward to Margaery having sex, cuz I’m thinking she’s gonna be a go getter.. even if Renly isn’t interested. Whatever!

    Oh, well. I don’t want to waste precious GOT time on foreplay. The women of Westeros obviously don’t need it so I guess I don’t either. hah!

  88. Nagga's Kin
    Posted April 11, 2012 at 2:59 am | Permalink

    1) Could the brothel sequence in ep 12 have been shorter than 4.5 minutes? Here’s a stab at it.

    Scrap peeping tom bits.
    Scrap Snowballgate.
    Scene:

    LF: [enters Ros' chamber through the open door and quickly closes it behind him]
    Ros: [sobbing, turns her head toward him]
    LF: Ros! I could hear you all the way down the hall.
    Ros: I’m sorry, it’s just [unintelligible]
    LF: What’s the matter, my dear?
    Ros: It’s Barra, mylord. What the goldcoats did to her…it was [sobs]
    LF: Ah yes. That was handled poorly.
    [awkward pause, more sobbing]
    LF: There, there. Let me cheer you up: [clears throat and assumes the stance of a bloviating ac-toar]
    LF: I once knew a damsel from Lys,
    LF: who knew her birds from her bees.
    LF: But whenever I touched her,
    LF: her eyes would just water.
    LF: So I sold her to the Marquis.
    [awkward pause, sobbing has stopped]
    Ros: [aghast, unsteady voice] The Marquis?
    [awkward pause]
    LF: Go wash your face now, my dear. Your 11 o’clock just arrived.
    Ros: [goes to wash face]
    LF: I’m afraid he’s not a gentle man.
    Ros: Do you spy on all your customers?
    LF: Think of it as quality control.

    2) Could the Stannis/Mel scene have had more impact?

    After “I will give you … a son”, add:

    Stannis: [pushes her away roughly] I have a wife. And a daughter!
    Mel: [rolls back her head before staring him right in the eyes] But not a healthy son. Not an heir.
    Stannis: [wavers] We cannot marry.
    Mel: [turns seductively, speaks over her shoulder] With the Lord of Light in your heart and the Iron Throne under your balls, you will make them accept him. All of your … subjects.

    Once she’s on the table, let him make short hard thrusts while she eats him up with her eyes, the corners of her closed mouth flinching once or twice. After precisely 30 seconds, he shudders and moan. Pregnant pause. He takes a step back and buttons up his fly.

    Stannis: [angry] Damn. You. Witch!

    Mel watches as he storms out of the room, her face a mix of disappointment and wounded pride. She stands up and is annoyed to discover she needs to remove a wooden piece from her hair. She cracks a smile when she discovers it is the one for Renly and returns it to the table. As she bends down to pick up her robe, we catch a brief glimpse of a red ink tattoo of a burning sword covering the length of her back. Once she is clothed, she exits through a different door, avoiding pieces on the floor.

    Ok, I’m sure many of you could do better than that, never mind professional writers. I just wanted to illustrate that two of the weaker sexual scenes in ep 12 could have been leveraged better.

  89. HERP-DERP
    Posted April 11, 2012 at 3:17 am | Permalink

    Cerb,

    :)

  90. poop brAINS
    Posted April 11, 2012 at 3:22 am | Permalink

    Nagga’s Kin:
    1) Could the brothel sequence in ep 12 have been shorter than 4.5 minutes? Here’s a stab at it.

    Scrap peeping tom bits.
    Scrap Snowballgate.
    Scene:

    LF: [enters Ros' chamber through the open door and quickly closes it behind him]
    Ros: [sobbing, turns her head toward him]
    LF: Ros! I could hear you all the way down the hall.
    Ros: I’m sorry, it’s just [unintelligible]
    LF: What’s the matter, my dear?
    Ros: It’s Barra, mylord. What the goldcoats did to her…it was [sobs]
    LF: Ah yes. That was handled poorly.
    [awkward pause, more sobbing]
    LF: There, there. Let me cheer you up: [clears throat and assumes the stance of a bloviating ac-toar]
    LF: I once knew a damsel from Lys,
    LF: who knew her birds from her bees.
    LF: But whenever I touched her,
    LF: her eyes would just water.
    LF: So I sold her to the Marquis.
    [awkward pause, sobbing has stopped]
    Ros: [aghast, unsteady voice] The Marquis?
    [awkward pause]
    LF: Go wash your face now, my dear. Your 11 o’clock just arrived.
    Ros: [goes to wash face]
    LF: I’m afraid he’s not a gentle man.
    Ros: Do you spy on all your customers?
    LF: Think of it as quality control.

    2) Could the Stannis/Mel scene have had more impact?

    After “I will give you … a son”, add:

    Stannis: [pushes her away roughly] I have a wife. And a daughter!
    Mel: [rolls back her head before staring him right in the eyes] But not a healthy son. Not an heir.
    Stannis: [wavers] We cannot marry.
    Mel: [turns seductively, speaks over her shoulder] With the Lord of Light in your heart and the Iron Throne under your balls, you will make them accept him. All of your … subjects.

    Once she’s on the table, let him make short hard thrusts while she eats him up with her eyes, the corners of her closed mouth flinching once or twice. After precisely 30 seconds, he shudders and moan. Pregnant pause. He takes a step back and buttons up his fly.

    Stannis: [angry] Damn. You. Witch!

    Mel watches as he storms out of the room, her face a mix of disappointment and wounded pride. She stands up and is annoyed to discover she needs to remove a wooden piece from her hair. She cracks a smile when she discovers it is the one for Renly and returns it to the table. As she bends down to pick up her robe, we catch a brief glimpse of a red ink tattoo of a burning sword covering the length of her back. Once she is clothed, she exits through a different door, avoiding pieces on the floor.

    Ok, I’m sure many of you could do better than that, never mind professional writers. I just wanted to illustrate that two of the weaker sexual scenes in ep 12 could have been leveraged better.

    THOSE WER WEIRD I DINDT RLY LIEK THEM

  91. Ser Pounce
    Posted April 11, 2012 at 3:23 am | Permalink

    Good recap, and yes the opinion is necessary because we already saw the episode so we don’t need a summary.

  92. Dan
    Posted April 11, 2012 at 4:03 am | Permalink

    Lex,

    Ok, now that is funny. A racist joke is just a joke but a crack about scary areola’s is over the top? Why is scary areola’s funny? Because she said scary areola’s. That is a hilarious way to describe ugly breasts. Not all jokes have a setup or a punchline. She clearly said it to be funny and not to be mean. I also find it funny that you believe there are millions of threads on thousands of forums discussing this girls breasts. It shows how much you are over reacting on this issue.

    A real issue that needs to be talked about is hair discrimination. The media and tv are creating this image of men with hair like Jon Snow and hurting bald men’s self esteem. I keep seeing all these comments from women talking about how great his hair looks and then men flip the channel and see a Rogain commercial. Brings a tear to my eye just thinking about these poor souls being pushed into buying these products because women and the tv have decided Jon Snow hair is attractive. And the bald jokes. The horror, I say.

  93. Luana
    Posted April 11, 2012 at 4:14 am | Permalink

    Dan:
    Lex,

    Ok, now that is funny. A racist joke is just a joke but a crack about scary areola’s is over the top? Why is scary areola’s funny? Because she said scary areola’s. That is a hilarious way to describe ugly breasts. Not all jokes have a setup or a punchline. She clearly said it to be funny and not to be mean. I also find it funny that you believe there are millions of threads on thousands of forums discussing this girls breasts. It shows how much you are over reacting on this issue.

    …can’t tell if deliberately misreading comments in weird attempt at humour…

  94. The DarkStar
    Posted April 11, 2012 at 4:17 am | Permalink

    How’s this for a bomb.

    I don’t think any show that is winning an Emmy is gonna be displaying fucking, blowing, and wiping cum off of faces… In the same scene. Thats called porn. Good one D&D.

  95. Casual fan
    Posted April 11, 2012 at 4:23 am | Permalink

    The DarkStar,

    Not the best bomb ever.

    But what’s up with daily raven girl’s totally uneven eyes. Makes me want to look sideways at her face. Ahhhh I love funny jokes.

  96. Dan
    Posted April 11, 2012 at 4:47 am | Permalink

    Luana,

    Racist jokes are still jokes. Insulting how someone’s breasts look isn’t a joke, it’s just an insult. Where was the setup, the punchline, etc? Your analogy doesn’t work.

    How was I supposed to read that? Lex didn’t say racists jokes are still racist. He (she?) said that racist jokes are still jokes. Care to explain how you read that? I personally don’t have a problem if that is how Lex thinks about racist jokes. I don’t get offended over jokes. It’s all about the intent of the words that matter to me and not so much the words themselves.

  97. Macha
    Posted April 11, 2012 at 4:51 am | Permalink

    Dan:
    Lex,

    I also find it funny that you believe there are millions of threads on thousands of forums discussing this girls breasts. It shows how much you are over reacting on this issue.

    Forums discussing the portrayal of women in the media and how beauty standards are imposed in general, NOT discussing this actresses’ breasts in particular. It can’t take you more than 30 seconds to carefully read a comment.

    On the topic at hand, I didn’t find it funny either, and also thought it was in poor taste. I’m not one who gets offended easily, quite the contrary, but having previously seen comments on earlier threads that went ‘did we really need to see those awful looking breasts?’ , this remark irked me as well.

    Other than that, I’m liking TDR more and more, and loved the pony! :)

  98. Dan
    Posted April 11, 2012 at 5:26 am | Permalink

    Macha,

    Ok, fair enough. I misread that part.

    Still, as far as blaming the media or tv for giving women self esteem issues, I find that to be about as strong an argument as blaming video games for causing violence. You might as well blame Mad Men for alcoholism or Jon Snow for causing men to buy Rogain. This BS of blaming society for your problems is a complete cop out. Why is it that too few people take responsibility for their own problems?

    One last thing, why is it that everyone who finds something offensive prefaces it with “I’m not easily offended”? I think we have different definitions of easily.

  99. bon
    Posted April 11, 2012 at 5:41 am | Permalink

    Solar,

    There are foreigners that watch show with the lector and there names are more offten speaken…

  100. Tywin's Bastard
    Posted April 11, 2012 at 6:02 am | Permalink

    Fannisters was a fun term for us. Unexpected and suitable, especially for us that really like the Lannisters of course.

    Usage of the word “fail” on it’s own like that is a real pet peeve of mine when it comes to Internet slang. Sounds, and looks, really dumb to me.

    As for the sex scenes, it did feel a bit odd to hear Simone complain that it was disgusting with the facial wipe bit. I have a really hard time imagining that the intention was anything other than just to be disgusting. A gritty, real look into how a brothel could be, way before there were any decent sanitary laws.

    Overall the Daily Raven has improved lots since it’s beginning and I applaud the effort to listen to the opinions and working hard to fine tune it. Keep it up!

  101. Macha
    Posted April 11, 2012 at 6:21 am | Permalink

    Dan,

    We are in agreement over the fact that the influence of TV shows over social practices is usually overrated. And yes again, I completely agree that blaming video games for causing violence is a facile explanation. On a side note, this is a subject that interests me a great deal and on which I’ve done a bit of research, but this isn’t the right place to elaborate more. So yeah, so far I’m with you.
    However, the subject of the way the female body is portrayed in mainstream media is a bit more complex than that. I think it’s wrong to dismiss it simply as ‘it’s your problem, deal with it’, because we are not talking about a fairly limited social category, i.e. a certain fandom or otherwise an audience that chooses to engage in a certain activity, therefore to receive a certain message they’re already expecting, like video-gamers. No, we’re talking about a full scale exposure, especially for young women. Everywhere they turn (commercials, magazines, films, beauty pageants, the lot), they see more or less the same ideal beauty being promoted, so it’s really unreasonable to think that a certain pressure doesn’t exist and that it’s fairly easy for women to simply refuse to conform. So, I insist, while your examples are valid in their own right, I don’t think you can compare the two.

    And on the ‘easily offended’ front, I specifically stated that because I wanted to emphasize the effect of that remark upon someone who’s otherwise increasingly tired of the overuse of feminist arguments and politically correctness crap and sincerely believes comedy should remain comedy – free from most of the restrictions we’d otherwise impose upon ourselves. In this case, however, it wasn’t comedy and if it was, it didn’t work for me.

  102. Johannes Genard
    Posted April 11, 2012 at 6:59 am | Permalink

    I actually disagree with Simone’s stance on the sexposition IN THIS EPISODE. It really irritated me throughout S1 (especially the bathtub-scene with Viserys and Doreah! Ugh) as it did when I watched Rome (Antony and Cleopatra’s continuous sexual panting! Ugh) but in this specific episode I actually liked the sex-scenes, as I did when watching Deadwood (a lot of sexposition, damn).
    While last year’s sex scenes were usually made to be ‘sexy’ and ‘stimulating’ or whatever, these were just downright offensive, and therefore more character-enhancing. I LOVED Theon and the Captain’s daughter, it was one of those scenes for which I cringed while reading the book (Ugh!) and I felt the uneasy, awkward and abusive atmosphere of the chapter was retained in this scene.
    I absolutely hope every sex scene in the series will make people uncomfortable, because almost none of those in the books are consentual or pleasant. Up until the 20th century (and still in some countries) sex has been used as a weapon as much as a source of pleasure (think of Gregor Clegane’s Riverlands raid and compare it to the systematic use of rape as acts of war in some warring African countries).
    I feel very strongly that having a lot of beautiful people having a lot of consentual and happy sex in a gritty historical drama (or gritty fantasy drama) would be unfair and a little insulting to the thousands and thousands of abused women throughout human history. It might sound a bit contradictive but, as a feminist, I actually liked the sex in this episode.

  103. Dreamlife
    Posted April 11, 2012 at 7:34 am | Permalink

    I agree with Simone about the sexposition. Some worked (Theon and the captain’s daughter) because it was actually pulled from the book and really helped us get to know Theon; the stuff with Littlefinger went way too far (wiping “stuff” off a girl’s face? That’s too much, even for HBO.) Note, that I’m OK with LF and Ros’ scene, just not all the gratuitous sex scenes. We get it! It’s a brothel. It is OK to leave some things to the imagination… Someone pointed it out best that D&D act very juvenile when it comes to sex scenes. Rather than using them sparingly when necessary for the plot, they just include them because they can. And I thought Starz was bad…

    I disagree that the limited screen time of Jaqen was a negative. There’s no need to make it painfully obvious (like they did last season with the dragon eggs leading virtually everyone to predict the dragons would hatch) that Jaqen is important. I also like how they breezed over Davos’s son, Matthos, urging Davos to learn to read. This is a major point later on For new viewers, hopefully certain future events will come as a surprise to them.

  104. Tywin's Bastard
    Posted April 11, 2012 at 8:29 am | Permalink

    Dreamlife,

    It’s very hard to take that opinion seriously when you end with “and I thought Starz was bad”. I’ve only seen Spartacus from that channel but unlike GoT that show had some really long sex scenes that were nothing but just sex scenes, no exposition. That’s a completely different reason of showing sex and therefor on a completely different level.

  105. poop brAINS
    Posted April 11, 2012 at 9:37 am | Permalink

    The DarkStar:
    How’s this for a bomb.

    I don’t think any show that is winning an Emmy is gonna be displaying fucking, blowing, and wiping cum off of faces… In the same scene. Thats called porn. Good one D&D.

    uh, no that’s not called porn. have you even *seen* porn? Is “There’s Something About Mary” Porn? Are “The Miller’s Tale” and “The Reeve’s Tale” by Chaucer porn? Raunchy, bodily humor (the jizz wiping or Dolorous Edd’s tale of the death fart) is not pornographic or obscene; it’s just a earthy, realistic way of depicting the physical world.

  106. MATTHEW
    Posted April 11, 2012 at 9:48 am | Permalink

    Dreamlife:
    I also like how they breezed over Davos’s son, Matthos, urging Davos to learn to read.
    This is a major point later onFor new viewers, hopefully certain future events will come as a surprise to them.

    Are you sure that the Matthos character is a one-for-one replacement for Devan Seaworth, who appears in the book? I’m not so sure.

    In the book, if I recall correctly, Matthos actually dies in the Battle of the Blackwater, and Devan survives. I wouldn’t be entirely surprised if Matthos meets his end on the Blackwater in the TV show. This would accomplish two things–it would make Davos’s grief at his dead sons more immediate than they are in the book (since we actually got to know him), and it would get rid of a character I’m beginning to find supremely annoying.

    So, in any case, it’s possible (though I suppose unlikely) that Devan, one of Davos’s other sons, gets introduced later in the series.

  107. MATTHEW
    Posted April 11, 2012 at 9:57 am | Permalink

    Johannes Genard:
    I feel very strongly that having a lot of beautiful people having a lot of consentual and happy sex in a gritty historical drama (or gritty fantasy drama) would be unfair and a little insulting to the thousands and thousands of abused women throughout human history. It might sound a bit contradictive but, as a feminist, I actually liked the sex in this episode.

    Great post! Thoughtful feminists are my favorite kind of Ice and Fire fans.

    You’re right that the kind of systematic, mass rape Gregor and later, in book 4, Rorge commit as they terrorize the countryside is a very real part of warfare, seen as recently as in the former Yugoslavia in the 90s and, as you point out, in Africa even more recently than that.

    And, I would totall agree that sex in general was likely more brutal and animalistic, the farther we go back in human history–but I would be careful before making blanket statements that sexual pleasure and “nice” sex was somehow invented in the past one or two hundred years. There is certainly literature (Kama Sutra, anyone?) that would contradict this.

  108. Lex
    Posted April 11, 2012 at 10:32 am | Permalink

    Dan,

    Every post you make, laden with flawed analogies and (deliberate?) misunderstandings of what I’ve said, continues to display your ignorance on this topic.

    Moving on…

  109. The DarkStar
    Posted April 11, 2012 at 10:35 am | Permalink

    Casual fan,

    lol

    poop brAINS,

    Something about Mary is a (great) slapstick comedy, in which most events are not trying for realism.
    Not familiar with the other 2 references.
    Game of Thrones is gunning for best drama, totally different in delivery and standard of quality.
    I personally was not offended in anyway by the scene (I love spartacus) and I actually thought it provided some useful info, but there certainly is a line between gritty realism, and raunchiness, and IMO Game of Thrones crossed that line, costing it viewers (who are offended) and Emmy hopes.
    Keep it Classy D&D

  110. Salty Sea Dog
    Posted April 11, 2012 at 10:46 am | Permalink

    I complete agree with Simone. This isn’t Spartacus: Blood and Sand, or Rome; this story is so much better than those, there doesn’t need to be unnecessary nudity in every episode. People talk about “sexposition”, but I think it is just laziness.
    “How do we let the audience know some of this background information?”
    “How about boobies?”
    And people keep bring up the fact that GRRM has very descriptive sex scenes in his books, so D&D are just staying true to the written material. But the fact is that there are only a handful of these steamy scenes in each of the books, not nearly as many as HBO would have you believe.

  111. Weirwood
    Posted April 11, 2012 at 11:31 am | Permalink

    I am continually astounded that blood/gore and graphic violence are seen as perfectly okay but sex and nudity equal bad in our society. It reminds me of the following quote:

    “Why is it that, as a culture, we are more comfortable seeing two men holding guns than holding hands?” ~Ernest Gaines

  112. Lars
    Posted April 11, 2012 at 11:45 am | Permalink

    For those that still don’t understand the word:

    Sexposition = Sex + Exposition (together)

    It’s not that complicated. So lets’s examine the sex scenes in this episode to see if they qualify:
    1. Theon & Captains daughter: YES – but also very faithful to the book, where it is literary sexposition.
    2. Whorehouse sex scenes: NO – there is just sex, no exposition. And the excellent Ros/LF scene that follows has no nudity or sex, nor is it exposition in the literal sense.
    3. Stannis/Melisandre: NO – there is sex, but it is a plot point that moves the story forward (shadow-babies)

    So PLEASE stop misusing the term, Simone & everyone else.

    As for the ‘gross’ stuff… I don’t mind. It is SUPPOSED to be gross, and it helps make the sex scenes in this episode far different than the ‘happy whores’ tropes that the season 1 was full of. And I hate to spoil it for you guys, but bodily fluids ARE involved in sex. And whores would be expected to work with several customers per night. So sorry that your ‘clean’ whore fantasy was dashed.

  113. poop brAINS
    Posted April 11, 2012 at 11:53 am | Permalink

    The DarkStar:
    Casual fan,

    lol

    poop brAINS,

    Something about Mary is a (great) slapstick comedy, in which most events are not trying for realism.
    Not familiar with the other 2 references.
    Game of Thrones is gunning for best drama, totally different in delivery and standard of quality.
    I personally was not offended in anyway by the scene (I love spartacus) and I actually thought it provided some useful info, but there certainly is a line between gritty realism, and raunchiness, and IMO Game of Thrones crossed that line, costing it viewers (who are offended) and Emmy hopes.
    Keep it Classy D&D

    You are misguided on so many levels.

    When an artist’s goal is to believably and compellingly depict a gritty, uncensored medieval setting, keeping it “classy” is pretty low on one’s list of priorities. These days we have sewers, running water, tissue boxes etc., so perhaps the unimaginative among us forget how smelly, messy and filthy life must be in medieval setting and how bodily functions are much less discreet than they are today–thus the very telling opening scene of Arya secretly pissing in the woods in Season 2. She’s trying to keep this bit of nature’s call private (especially given the possible consequences of her gender being discovered by her companions), but the unflinching shot of her peeing reminds us that there is no privacy, there is no cleanliness in this world.

    the references to the Miller’s Tale and the Reeve’s Tale were to two of the Canterbury tales, writen in the 1300s, and full of depictions of farting, ass hair, and crawling through the window to rape the local carpenter’s daughter. Such was life, and the journalists and critics who decide on Emmys and other such awards will understand this.

    The highyly acclaimed HBO series The Sopranos, by the way, once featured a graphic scene of a fat adolescent boy deliberately shitting in a public shower and then stepping in his own filth. It was gross and over-the-top but it as a seamless part of the setting and story the creators of the show were trying to weave

  114. MATTHEW
    Posted April 11, 2012 at 11:56 am | Permalink

    Lars:
    For those that still don’t understand the word:

    Sexposition = Sex + Exposition (together)

    It’s not that complicated. So lets’s examine the sex scenes in this episode to see if they qualify:
    1. Theon & Captains daughter: YES – but also very faithful to the book, where it is literary sexposition.
    2. Whorehouse sex scenes: NO – there is just sex, no exposition. And the excellent Ros/LF scene that follows has no nudity or sex, nor is it exposition in the literal sense.
    3. Stannis/Melisandre: NO – there is sex, but it is a plot point that moves the story forward (shadow-babies)

    So PLEASE stop misusing the term, Simone & everyone else.

    As for the ‘gross’ stuff… I don’t mind. It is SUPPOSED to be gross, and it helps make the sex scenes in this episode far different than the ‘happy whores’ tropes that the season 1 was full of. And I hate to spoil it for you guys, but bodily fluids ARE involved in sex. And whores would be expected to work with several customers per night. So sorry that your ‘clean’ whore fantasy was dashed.

    right on!

  115. Tre
    Posted April 11, 2012 at 1:28 pm | Permalink

    I thought the recap was good and its always nice to hear the opinion of the commentator. With regard to the Roz and Littlefinger scene – I believe this is a carry on from Tryion, Bronn and Shae discussing Tryions first wife Tysha….. Anyone else think the same

  116. Marmot
    Posted April 11, 2012 at 1:46 pm | Permalink

    Can we start using the word schexposition for sexposition? And schwhore instead of whore? It would be nice. Just saying. Where am I?

  117. Ashley Manwoody
    Posted April 11, 2012 at 2:31 pm | Permalink

    how is it Deadwood comes off classier than Game of Thrones yet apparently I’m a puritan for thinking so.

  118. Greatjon
    Posted April 11, 2012 at 2:42 pm | Permalink

    Threads like these are why I don’t particularly like the idea of a “Soap Box” segment. There are literally a million different places I could be reading this “discussion” at. I come here to get away from that stuff.

  119. Kyle of APOIAF
    Posted April 11, 2012 at 3:46 pm | Permalink

    Nice job. Keep up the great work!

  120. Sarah
    Posted April 11, 2012 at 4:23 pm | Permalink

    Simone is awesome!!!

    My take on the episode here:

    http://www.footballfina.com/2012/04/11/the-nightlands-episode-2-recap-part-1/

    Hope y’all like it :)

  121. afartherroom
    Posted April 11, 2012 at 4:33 pm | Permalink

    Lex, et al:

    I simply don’t have the spoons for this argument again, as I’ve just spent my entire morning on the same damned argument on another forum, and to tell the truth, the entire thing is just beginning to get on my (decidedly non-Hollywood-approved, thankyouverymuch) tits. But I’d just like you to know that your work here has not gone unappreciated.

    Thanks.

  122. Lex
    Posted April 11, 2012 at 5:31 pm | Permalink

    afartherroom,

    Thanks. I actually regret getting into it at all, because it makes me sound like some uptight, offended member of the PC-police. I’m really not; I actually love offensive humour as long as it’s genuinely clever or witty. I didn’t even start the conversation, I was just agreeing that a seemingly innocent “joke” actually felt less innocent and more like an unpleasant perpetuation of a genuinely harmful media stereotype.

  123. The DarkStar
    Posted April 11, 2012 at 6:01 pm | Permalink

    poop brAINS: When an artist’s goal is to believably and compellingly depict a gritty, uncensored medieval setting, keeping it “classy” is pretty low on one’s list of priorities. These days we have sewers, running water, tissue boxes etc., so perhaps the unimaginative among us forget how smelly, messy and filthy life must be in medieval setting and how bodily functions are much less discreet than they are today–thus the very telling opening scene of Arya secretly pissing in the woods in Season 2. She’s trying to keep this bit of nature’s call private (especially given the possible consequences of her gender being discovered by her companions), but the unflinching shot of her peeing reminds us that there is no privacy, there is no cleanliness in this world.

    You are misguided.
    I would say the way they did that scene was CLASSY. They conveyed all the gritty realism you described, without showing her squirting pee.
    Gritty realism is much easier on the page, it has to be handled delicately on screen.
    They could show pussies, penises, cannibalism, people ejaculating on whores, Bran having a wet dream about Osha, horses fucking…D&D could put all those things into the show and maybe you would think it would enhance Martin’s story(the Arya scene is directly from the already praise worthy, gritty books, the cum scene was not), but when added to
    rape, threesomes, incest, brutal deaths, children thrown from windows, lesbians, gay scenes, be-headings, beating women, slaughtering animals, eating horse hearts, burning people alive, committing adultery with six women and saying one smells like blackberry jam, 6 year olds breastfeeding…
    It’s probably a bit much for some viewers, and IMO horses fucking and cumming on faces is not Emmy worthy, must watch TV.

  124. purplejilly
    Posted April 11, 2012 at 6:10 pm | Permalink

    Toby? Who the hell is Toby?? j/k, I know it’s FaB, it’s just jarring, like when they call Leela “Turanga” on Futurama…

    Hey, you know what? I think this episode was definitely better! I feel an improved vibe. I think Simone was speaking in more of a natural, confident conversational style, and it works better. In previous Ravens, I think she was aiming more for the very even, ‘news reporter’ style of talking, which is professional, but made TDR seem a little too stilted and formal. Her style here was better, the dialogue flowed better, I think she used hand gestures and movement that made it seem more natural. Good job! I think it still could go a bit further – like not quite as whacky as Joel on The Soup, but still a few more degrees towards a more animated conversational style.

    Personally, I loved the little pony graphic and sound effect, and thought it was quite funny and appropriate, considering our Thronies and Ponies discussion last week. I definitely enjoyed the opinions more, with less straight recap. The three wins and three fails are good. It doesn’t matter if viewers agree or disagree with them, it’s just the fact that she picks out or you guys pick out what stands out for you, good or bad, and tell us about it in an entertaining way. That makes it more interesting. And then we can talk about the wins and fails ourselves in the comments, for fun! That, along with Simone’s soap box is starting to turn TDR into something more unique and worth watching.

    I’m going to give Simone and Fab a pass on the ‘scary aeriolas’ comment, because I don’t think they were intending to be derisive, I’m thinking it was just a good rhyming scheme FaB couldn’t pass up. Personally, I am glad we are getting some equal opportunity time for unusual boobies and nipples, I like it a lot better than just the standard overexposed fake Hollywood giganto-boobs.

    I agree with Simone on the “too much sex cheapens it”. The story is strong enough without having to have nitty-gritty brothel scenes with whores dripping with cum that their pimp has to wipe. I can just imagine D&D watching classic movies, and saying “This movie is really good, but you know what would make it better? Some cum splashed on a girl’s face, and then having a guy wipe it off!”

    Maybe we are a conservative society, but I don’t think you NEED graphic sex in a show or movie to make it good. We’ve got a tradition in the US of separating our graphic sex acts into a separate rated film industry, and keeping it out of the mainstream. It’s what I’m used to. There’s some things I don’t like to see depicted in TV and film, and yes, maybe because that’s just what I am used to. But I am used to it, and I hate to think that D & D are driving away potential viewers with the graphic sex.

    It’s not like there’s a shortage of graphic or realistic sex on TV shows, Films, or Online. People can find as much as they want, and more. So it’s not like there is this huge under-served audience out there, that they are helping out by adding in these graphic sex scenes.

    However there IS a huge, under-served audience in the fantasy community, and as GoT is turning into our ambassador to the world to say to the decision makers “please give us more fantasy’, I hate to think that a stumbling block or a turn-off for current or future audiences is the graphic and unnecessary sex scenes.

    But all in all, a better Raven! Keep up the good work, guys!

  125. PatD
    Posted April 11, 2012 at 6:28 pm | Permalink

    Especially when you’ve expressed annoyance with people commenting on your own cleavage on this very message board.

    This.

  126. afartherroom
    Posted April 11, 2012 at 6:29 pm | Permalink

    The DarkStar: I would say the way they did that scene was CLASSY. They conveyed all the gritty realism you described, without showing her squirting pee.

    Yeah, it was classy, while at the same time being unusually graphic about the, well, the biological process of peeing. She thinks she hears someone coming up on her, she tenses, we hear the sound of the flow stop for a moment…then she relaxes and finishes up. That’s about as grittily realistic as you can get about urination, yet there was absolutely nothing gratuitous there at all.

  127. The DarkStar
    Posted April 11, 2012 at 6:31 pm | Permalink

    purplejilly,
    Wow. That was a fantastically well put comment on Simone’s soapbox.

    And this made me laugh

    purplejilly: I can just imagine D&D watching classic movies, and saying “This movie is really good, but you know what would make it better? Some cum splashed on a girl’s face, and then having a guy wipe it off!”

  128. The DarkStar
    Posted April 11, 2012 at 7:21 pm | Permalink

    I wonder if D&D thought, ya know, The most Gritty realistic fantasy ever made is kinda lacking in the amount of gritty sex, so we should do something about it. Lets make Dany’s awesome wedding night look like child rape. We should also be sure to put huge information dumps during the acts of sex. Then lets create a main character out of thin air that’s a whore and have her fuck her up and down the kingsroad. Lets throw a lesbian scene for her in there too, and then have her wipe herself after fucking the Grand Maester.
    And for season 2, I know a lot of people were complaining about the amount of gratuitous sex and even coined a term “sexposition” because of our use of it, but they really want more. (more cowbell!) So lets put 4 couples having sex in the same episode, three in back to back scenes, throw in a dash of voyeurism, some cum on a face, and just a little bit of brotherly sisterly fingering. I’m sure it will make A Song of Ice and Fire really pop on the screen and appeal to a broad fan base.

  129. BostonBran
    Posted April 11, 2012 at 7:26 pm | Permalink

    All I want to add is that D&D should continue to put in as much sex as they think necessary. The “grim” reality of it is that although a lot of the true fans don’t need the sex as the story carries itself, there are hundreds of thousands of people that will be watching this PURELY for the sex, and if this gets us a full eight? seasons, then go for it! (case in point, close to a million viewers tuned into HBO’s “tell me you love me”, and there is seriously NO other reason to watch that show, lawlz).

    And you are allowed to make scorn of the body of any person (woman or man) who puts it out there for all to see. Heck, if Hodor had a 3.5 inch floppy instead of a forearm, there would be equally as many laughs at his scarily small unit :P

  130. purplejilly
    Posted April 11, 2012 at 9:16 pm | Permalink

    BostonBran: there are hundreds of thousands of people that will be watching this PURELY for the sex,

    I wonder if this is true. I mean this in a real way, I am not being sarcastic – do you really think there are guys or girls out there, watching GoT just for the sex? When porn is available easier than HBO, I would think. I wonder if they can get some non-reader stats, and find out if anyone out there who is not a book reader is watching GoT only because of the nudity and a few weird sex scenes…

  131. Arristan the Old
    Posted April 12, 2012 at 1:32 am | Permalink

    The wiping of the mouth wasn’t the worst of it – the big sloppy open-mouth kiss Aremca gave Ros’s disgruntled client immediately afterwards was what almost lost me my ham and mashed potatoes during that episode…

  132. Fire And Blood
    Posted April 12, 2012 at 2:10 am | Permalink

    Arristan the Old:
    The wiping of the mouth wasn’t the worst of it – the big sloppy open-mouth kiss Aremca gave Ros’s disgruntled client immediately afterwards was what almost lost me my ham and mashed potatoes during that episode…

    That was awesome. Kind of a South Park moment, where you go, ewwww—wait—EWWWW!

    But then again I find sex hilarious.

  133. Lex
    Posted April 12, 2012 at 2:15 am | Permalink

    Fire And Blood: That was awesome. Kind of a South Park moment, where you go, ewwww—wait—EWWWW!

    But then again I find sex hilarious.

    I have to say, all my friends found it hilarious too. Of course it was cringe worthy, but hilarious.

  134. Jeda
    Posted April 12, 2012 at 5:10 am | Permalink

    Fire And Blood,

    It was definitely a touch of humor. My kind of humor anyway. I laughed. Besides it didn’t take much screen time, and the book can be pretty graphic too so I for one welcome this kind of details.

  135. Hildegarde
    Posted April 12, 2012 at 7:12 am | Permalink

    Wish she would talk faster

  136. gammaray
    Posted April 12, 2012 at 7:47 am | Permalink

    Oh, Simone. I agree. I was insulted by that scene too. You, know, I’m actually a little angry about it? Nothing that will keep me awake at night, of course, but I’m just pissed that they cheapened the show with that pointless vulgarity. Nope, didn’t find it enlightening, or amusing. Just offensive. And time waste-y.

  137. John-Michael Lelievre
    Posted April 12, 2012 at 5:55 pm | Permalink

    hehe, sticking his little bastard nose where it doesn’t belong.

  138. freyar_88
    Posted April 15, 2012 at 11:59 am | Permalink

    I wouldn’t go so far as to say I was insulted by the brothel scene, but it was unnecessary and disgusting this week. I have no problem with the sex in the books, and that pretty much has to be translated to the screen, i.e. the Theon/Captain’s Daughter scene was fine by me, as well as Melisandre and Stannis but sometimes they take it way too far and it just turns into soft-core porn. I don’t want GoT to become renowned as the “Tits and Dragons” show, or “LotR with brothels”, because it’s just not. I don’t agree with Simone 100% on this, but she is essentially right: as if we need t&a to keep watching. It wasn’t even sexposition in the brothel this week. There is so much going on, why do we need 5 minute long girl-on-girl naked action whilst LF tells them his life story? Why, oh why, was that lip-wiping necessary? Actually, do we need explicit brothel scenes? There’s plenty of sex elsewhere.
    Yeah, the sex contributes to the tone, and I’m glad they haven’t made it tame, but…why spend 5 minutes on soft core porn when there is a shitload of storylines to work through?
    At least Ros had all of her clothes on, though.


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