Casting Speculation

Casting Season Three: Mance Rayder

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Season three is now official. And you know what that means… time to talk casting! For those who may not have been around the past two years, what we like to do is offer up some top fan suggestions for some of the prominent roles in the upcoming season. We are wrong more often than not, but we have been known to get a few right (see: Littlefinger, Brienne).

For the season three casting speculation posts, we’re gonna kick things off with everybody’s favorite Night’s Watch deserter, Mance Rayder. The Wiki of Ice and Fire describes Mance as “a big man, long legged and lean, broad in the chest and shoulders. His once long brown hair is now gone mostly grey, laughter lines appear at the corner of his mouth.”

There have been many fan suggestions thrown around for the role of the King-Beyond-The-Wall. After the break, we’ll offer up some of the top choices. Feel free to debate these casting suggestions, or offer some of your own, in the comments below.

James PurefoyJames Purefoy – James Purefoy has been a fan favorite for numerous roles in the series, mostly due to his wonderful turn as Marc Antony in HBO’s Rome. He is easily the fans’ top choice for Mance, but is he a real possibility? Well, we know that Nina Gold has cast him before (always a plus), his schedule looks pretty clear right now and, lastly, he has gone on record stating that he would like to appear on the show. So yes, I’d say there is a decent chance he could be cast and Mance would be a good role for him.
Karl Urban – Urban, a New Zealand-based actor, was another popular choice for Mance Rayder. Urban is best known for his roles as Eomer in Lord of the Rings and Bones in Star Trek. He would make a good Mance, but not only is he quite busy at the moment, he is quite busy doing big-time Hollywood films. I don’t see him ignoring his burgeoning film career to take a supporting role on a TV series (even if it is HBO). Sorry, Eomer and Bones fans.
Henry Ian Cusick – Cusick is a Peruvian-born actor of Scottish descent. Cusick has a number of supporters, due to his role as Desmond Hume in LOST. As a classically trained, theater actor, he fits HBO’s mold, however his schedule looks pretty booked. Cusick currently appears as a regular on ABC’s new show Scandal, and I suspect that it will remain on the air for at least another season, effectively ruling him out as a candidate.
Mads Mikkelsen – Mikkelsen is another actor who has been mentioned for a number of roles since the series first began. He is probably best known for his supporting roles in King Arthur, Casino Royale, and Clash of the Titans. Hailing from Denmark, Mikkelson has a unique look that seems suited for Westeros, especially someone from the North. I can see him in any number of roles in this series, Mance included, however he, like Urban, has an active film career and it is unclear he would leave that to appear in a TV series.

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  • Based on the pictures alone, I’d say Mads Mikkelsen has the rough-and-tough look of a wildling leader. Everyone else looks too… pretty.
    Of course, there’s more to the role than just looks. And as we’ve seen from the images of Gwendoline Christie as Brienne, looks can be changed pretty easily.

  • Mikkelsen has the look of one of the Boltons maybe but of these four probably the most suited as Rayder. Purefoy for Griff. But that’s getting ahead of myself.

  • I would go Urban for the acting. and Mikkelsen for the looks. Mance is a fighter the best in the north but he also a gentleman

    FIRST

  • I like Purefoy, but he’s one of the leads in the new Kevin Williamson pilot for FOX which will probably make it to series.

    I’m going to throw out an older actor: Tim Roth

  • Wow, I love all those choices, though Urban is probably too big for our little show, being as he’s Bones and Judge Dredd.

    Really, really love the idea of Purefoy. He was goddam epic as Antony in Rome.

    Great post! Awesome picks!

  • Damn you for suggesting Henry Ian Cusick because now I’m going to have him mental cast whenever I read for Mance. ARGH. He’d be perfect. He has that lazy charisma which would make sense for someone able to unite the Free Peoples.

  • At this point I see Purefoy in my head when I read about Mance Rayder. His swagger matches Mance’s, he is physically great for the part, and I can see him being able to pull off the quieter, more personal moments with Jon really well. I would be so disappointed if he wasn’t cast. Who knows though, they may go with a relative unknown.

  • i always pictured Purefoy playing the Red Viper.

    One season, very memorable character and imagine him shouting “YOU RAPED HER! YOU MURDERED HER! YOU KILLED HER CHILDREN!!!!”

    that would be a brutal scene.

  • All of these choices are great except for Karl Urban. I like Urban but not as Mance Rayder.

    Mikkelsen and Purefoy would be the best in my opinion. Purefoy edges out the competition for his scrappy charisma yet Mikkeslen also has menace and gravitas. Both have the qualities necessary for uniting the Wildings. But Mance is a former member of the NW so he would have to have some south of the wall qualities, especially his love for music and Purefoy seems more capable of delivering that flamboyance more than Mikkelsen in my opinion. So I am going to have to take Mark Antony or One-Eye I’m afraid.

    Now Mikkelsen as Griff/Jon Connington? That I could get behind.

  • I’m a big Purefoy fan, but I’ve got to admit, Mads Mikkelsen does have the right look for King Beyond the Wall. I’d like to see Purefoy as Crow’s Eye, personally (although, Rayder is probably the bigger role). And now that I think of it, Mikkelsen would be perfect for Victarion as well.

    Another name I often hear bandied about is Nathan Fillion. I have no idea whether he can pull off an English accent or not, but he is a sci-fi fan favorite, thanks to Firefly.

  • Croccifixio: i always pictured Purefoy playing the Red Viper.

    I actually always saw Alexander Siddig (http://imdb.to/nyzOh ) as Oberyn. I saw him in the Director’s Cut of Kingdom of Heaven and thought he was great. Admittedly that part was a LOT more subtle than the Red Viper,lol, but he’s got such a great presence. I’d love to see him in the series.

  • James or Mads would be fantastic I think. They’re both great actors and I can see them in this role

  • Mads Mikkelsen for Mance would be pretty great. Has anyone else here seen Valhalla Rising?

    Also: Vin Diesel for the Magnar of Thenn.

  • I think that Mads is more like a Victarion Greyjoy, and Purefoy maybe for a Jon Connington, Karl Urban is too young, and Henry Ian Cusick fit for the character.

    Sorry for the english

  • Varamyr Fourskins,

    Nathan Fillion as Butterbumps, the Tyrell fool, singing Bear and the Maiden Fair.

    And Fillion would do it too.

    Also Anna Torv (Fringe) is said to be a fan of the series as well. I believe she is even a book reader. Whether Fringe is cancelled or not she could easily play Val, the Wilding Princess. She has this beautiful but rugged quality to her.

  • MRR:
    Has anyone else here seen Valhalla Rising?

    Yes. I own it. A lot of people really hated it, because they went into it expecting to see a blood and guts action film like Pathfinder, but got something very different instead.

  • Croccifixio,

    Just as I was picturing him as Mance, I read your comment and can’t help but totally agree with you. He would be absolutely amazing as the Viper!

    But now I can’t decide on Mance… Oh, bugger!

  • Katie,

    I am a devoted convert to the idea of Siddig as Oberyn and it must happen now or I will be sad. XD Time to start spamming his fansite with the suggestion? I left a comment on there a while back when he was first suggested.

    As to Mance, out of the ones listed, James Purefoy stands out to me the most (and not just because he’s the only one who seems reasonably available). There are a lot of roles I feel like Purefoy would be good in though!

  • Croccifixio,

    I would flip the roles around actually. I can’t really see Purefoy screaming shouts like that, I remember his twisted smile in the numerous roles he portrayed (which I could see as Mance) and just can’t picture him with that much rage as the red viper had. If you saw Vallhalla Rising with Mikkelsen, I would say his quick action skills could easily play into the role of the red viper, but I’m not sure it’s the role for him either. Yet I’d love to see both actors make an appearance on the show.

  • I’m thinking that all these mentioned, with the exception of Purefoy would be too young for the role. Isn’t Mance supposed to be a former peer of Mormont? In my estimation they should go big and try and get Ian McShane for the role. That is if the rest of the actors wouldn’t feel too intimidated by his presence. Based on his performances in Deadwood and Kings I think that he would be perfect, and would come real close to filling the gap left by Sean Bean’s unfortunate but necessary departure.

  • Dominic West

    Has appeared on The Wire on HBO, is British….. hell, even has those laughter lines.

    Obvious choice for me.

  • Tony Stark,

    ohh…..McShane…that is a good idea. Unless they give McShane Doran Martell…who can only be played by Ciaran Hinds.

    LOL Ciaran Hinds as Doran and Purefoy as Oberyn is almost worth it! If anyone has seen John Carter they will know what I am talking about!

  • Varamyr Fourskins,

    So that’s where I remember him from. Thanks for the memory jog I was just about to give up and Google for the answer. He would be a good fit for the show in general whatever role they cast him in, they seem to be extremely good at putting people in the right places.

  • Joshua Taylor,

    Oberyn to me has a swagger, but you don’t ever see him lose control until his scene with Gregor. Watching him slow burn for a season, and then go ape shit, would be amazing. Now I want to start campaigning for Siddig, all the way,lol.

    Also, aren’t the Martells physically more Middle-Eastern? That’s always how I read them. That’s one of the things I love about this series. You start off in this one kingdom, with one culture, and you expand into this entire rich, colorful world of different kinds of people and ideas. I can’t wait to see more of that on screen.

  • One guy who I think would encompass the “wilding” aspect, but still have the wit and charm, is Robert Carlyle. He’s more gaunt and wiry than I imagined Mance, but living in the Frostfangs and fighting to survive among the wildling “clans” if you will, you might get a little fierce like that.

  • I’d always pictured Mance as older than these guys. A little more rough around the edges. I’m thinking Keith Carradine. Too old?

  • Tony Stark,

    I don’t think he’s the same age as Mormont. He was raised by the Watch, so he was likely a boy/young adult when Mormont knew him. He’s described as middle-aged in the books, although his hair is supposedly greying (which could be due to stress, rather than age).

    From “A Wiki of Ice and Fire”:

    Mance is a big man, long legged and lean, broad in the chest and shoulders. His once long brown hair has now gone mostly GREY, laughter lines appear at the corner of his mouth. He is an unremarkable-looking man in his middle years, with a fondness for music.

    Granted, “middle years” is a bit vague, especially in a world like ASOIAF, where men are lucky to live to 30, but I don’t think anyone’s calling Mance “old man”. Could be wrong about that. But that’s what I’ve always took from the novel.

  • Jeremy,

    Interesting…but judging from his portrayal of Feyd-Rautha in Dune I am skeptical of his acting talent. Then again he could deliver a haunting version of the ” Rains of Castamere”…

  • Joshua Taylor:
    Katie,

    Yes Siddig for Red Viper all the way. He is a subtle actor and I would love to see his rage in that momentous scene with the Mountain. It will be harrowing.

    Have you seen Siddig in anything lately? He seems far too old for the role, nor does he have the physique.

  • BTW just a reminder to people for saying Purefoy for Red Viper instead of Mance. Wouldn’t you rather have him with a lot of screen time??? I Just think he would be short lived as the Red Viper.

  • Mance is not young but he’s not 70 either like McShane is. He’s still a powerful warrior, more in the 40 – 60 range. Purefoy would be perfect really.

  • serum:
    Ian McShane for Victarion and Ian McNiece for Prince Doran

    No, Al Swearengen doesn’t have the build for Victarion. I’d suggest Ray Stevenson.

    I’d like to see three Rome actors come to Game Of Thrones
    Purefoy = Crows Eye
    McKidd = Edmure
    Stevenson = Victarion

  • I vote for Henry Ian Cusick. I loved him on Lost. He was actually my dark horse pick for Davos when we were discussing casting last year!

    I’d also like to see James Purefoy.. but IDK about him as Mance. Could be good, but I think he’d be a better Jon Connington.

  • I love Richard Armitage ! he was excellent in Robin Hood.but I think he’s too pretty.and too neat.Can he even sing? we need someone with a scary voice.
    a taller , thiner , younger version of lord commandar Mormont ?
    ( sorry 4 the spellings!)

  • Lori,

    Love Csokas! Great choice. Also Kingdom of Heaven connection! Csokas what with NCW, Robert Pugh (Craster), Balian’s blacksmith (Will from the Prologue) Iain Glenn (Jorah plays Richard the Lion Heart at the end) and the fact that the iron throne is made from KOH prop swords!

  • James Purefoy is the only one. I can’t possibly imagine anyone else as Mance. Mads Mikkelsen is Euron. I just hope they include the character in the show. He’s just too cool to write him off.

  • I would love to see both Mads and Karl Urban! They are both perfect for roles in this series! I really hope that they will get a role :)

  • Any actor who does the part of Euron or Victarion should be relatively close in age to Patrick Malahide (Balon) who is 67. His age should definetelybe over 50-55. James Purefoy or Mads Mikkelsen are more like to look like Balon Greyjoy’s sons that brothers.

  • I can see christopher eccleston, but i want viggo mortensen, I would also love to see David Tennat, but I know itll ever happen.

  • Klavonivs,

    mads seem to be the silent brooding type. the red viper seems not to give an f to what people think (like him being a judge and visiting the prisoner), and he takes what he wants and have a voracious appetite for pleasure which is what i saw in his rome performance.

    on the screen time matter, i have this preference that regular characters (with lots of screen time) should be played by not so famous actors and famous actors such as purefoy play the characters that comes to the series, makes a very memorable impression and leave.

    also, to the mods. sorry that i forgot to spoiler my first post.

  • Joshua Taylor:
    Lori,

    Love Csokas! Great choice. Also Kingdom of Heaven connection! Csokas what with NCW, Robert Pugh (Craster), Balian’s blacksmith (Will from the Prologue) Iain Glenn (Jorah plays Richard the Lion Heart at the end) and the fact that the iron throne is made from KOH prop swords!

    Loving Marton Csokas even more after hearing this. :) And apparently his father is a trained opera singer, so maybe the talent has been passed down…

  • I think Purefoy would be great in any role.. in Rome, he went from hardened soldier, to political animal, to the end where he was a maddened, drugged up eccentric, loyalties torn and threatened, etc. Purefoy’s got the range, without a doubt. The same sort of range is needed, though perhaps not seen in Mance Rayder – but I suspect that D&D will enhance Rayder’s role somewhat, and make him more of a wild eccentric, as it will play better on TV.

    On the other hand, if going straight by the books, Rayder is too cool and composed a character for Purefoy. I’d rather see Purefoy in a more flamboyant role, say the Red Viper, as others have noted.

  • OldGods,

    He’s one of the main leads of Homeland and I doubt Showtime would let him work on GoT. Great actor, probably not available.

  • I always pictured Mance a little older. Older than Benjen certainly, and perhaps even a peer to Halfhand.

    I’d be happy with most of the names already suggested. But my favorite pick for Mance would be Peter Wingfield.

    http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0935057/

    He has the requisite charisma and charm, unassuming looks, carries himself with a sort of grace I always imagined Mance as having. And hey, he was Methos. :) He has sword handling experience (and a fan base).

  • I always pictured Nathan Fillion when I read Mance Rayder, he’s tall, broad shouldered, he can sing, he can play deceptively dangerous. But I think his filming schedule at Castle will be keeping him too busy.

  • Bill Wolfe,

    Agreed, also just the thought of Ciaran Hinds playing Doran with Purefoy as his sidekick Oberyn once again would be epic. Not only would they get these two great actors on roles they can perfectly shine in, but it would be a fan service to all the bitter Rome fans. Seriously HBO, do the right thing!

  • Croccifixio,

    hmmmm…I see your point, but they did give Lena Heady a pretty big role and i would say she is pretty a distinguished actress. I feel if they do what you say and put a more well known actor/actress on the screen for a quick role, it may seem almost like product placement and not adding to the depth of the show. If you’re going to get good actors that can carry the show further then keep them on with bigger roles. We all saw the backlash from non readers and Sean Bean’s departure.

  • Lots of great suggestions. Mads Mikkelsen is my Euron Greyjoy (or Victarion- but mostly Euron) but I would take him as any role in GoT. He’s fab.
    Purefoy would be a good Mance and he’s interested in the show. He really shouldn’t and probably won’t be Oberyn, because the Martells aren’t white.
    Cusick would be a great Mance, probably my favorite suggestion, but as Winter pointed out, he is likely to be unavailable.

  • Outside the box choice:

    He can act. Charming. Has been a bad ass. . Right age range imo

    As Mance, I give you

    PIERCE BROSNAN

  • While I would generally go for Karl Urban in any and all roles, I think of the choices, my vote is for Mads Mikkelsen. I think he has the best range, and he’d (spoiler alert) be awesome as “Rattleshirt” too. If you catch my drift.

  • Viggo as Mance would be perfection. Utter perfection. The right age, the right size, the right look. The right spirit.

    I love Mads and have seen every flick he’s made, but I really don’t see him signing onto a TV series at this point in his career.

  • Shadowcat85,

    Love Tim Roth! I don’t know if Mance is the right role but I would absolutely love to see him on this show. I actually thought he would have made a great Stannis but Lie to Me was still not cancelled when they did the casting for last year.

  • Arstan Whitebeard: I’d be happy with most of the names already suggested. But my favorite pick for Mance would be Peter Wingfield.

    Methos <3 Yeah he’d be pretty great at it. Charming and weathered enough to be believable as Mance.

  • Robert Carlyle!

    I will repeat again my request that Christopher Eccleston please play one of the Greyjoy brothers, he’s perfect!

    Ian McNiece is Wyman Manderley :)

  • Ours is the Fury,

    I don’t want to make this a PC race thing but where does it specifically say that all the Martells are non white? They all are tanned/darker skinned due to their geographic location but I’ve yet to read anything specific that says they are specifically non white. The only ethnic group that has been described as really black are the summer islanders iirc. Every fan art, wiki of the Martells have them with a white/hispanic look but it shouldn’t prevent a white actor from playing that role if they are suited for it.

    I understand there should be more representation on the show but the show is what it is. I don’t expect to see more asian people in Mad Men for the sake of promoting racial equality. Bottom line, they should get the best actor available and not be constrained with “let’s try to cast a foreign actor for that role”.

    http://awoiaf.westeros.org/index.php/Oberyn_Martell

    Purefoy could do that look easy.

    FYI: I’m east asian, and you don’t see me bitching about not enough asian people in GoT do you? (for those that might think I’m white or something).

  • I’ve loved the idea of Henry Ian Cusick as Mance for a while. Dude is one hell of an actor, and his charisma as King-Beyond-The-Wall would be fantastic.

    I can just see him and Kit Harrington having good chemistry playing opposite each other for some reason.

  • Don’t agree with Viggo at all though, his name always pops up in that kind of discussion, it has become a too obvious choice. Sure he was great in the LotR trilogy, but can we move on and not cast him on every nerd-fantasy adaptation…?

  • I know he is starring in “The Firm” on TV right now, but Callum Keith Rennie (formerly Leoben on BSG) would be a really good Mance. Just Sayin’

  • Has no one mentioned an obvious?? Stellan Skarsgard!!! May not have been the best movie, but loved his charatcter in King Arthur!!! And not to mention in Beowulf and Grendel. Played great kings in both movies.

  • Mance is a rough-hewn version of The Renaissance Man, which is why I think Viggo the actor, poet, painter, and musician embodies the role.

  • Heh. We’re in the same boat. I used to picture Eccleston as Roose Bolton, but I can totally see him as Mance.

    Silvan:
    I really like Christopher Eccleston as Mance, but I really like him for everything.

    >/blockquote>

  • I don’t really know why but reading the books I’ve always pictured Mark Strong as Mance. Out of the choices here I think I’d pick Mikkelsen.

  • Look, I know the part is wasted on him, but Purefoy would be best as… Daario. I mean, he’s a leering, sneering, casual sociopath, Purefoy could pretty much just reprise Antony and it would be perfect.

  • Mads has always been my Mance ever since I read it, before I even knew other people thought the same! Just the LOOK of him is perfect. But I definitely wouldn’t mind James either (especially with how willing he is to be on GoT!)

  • I think that Mance is supposed to be a little older than these actors. even in the first episode of S2 Craster sort of talked about as if Mance and the Lord Commander were close in their age-gaps. maybe mance isn’t meant to be as old as Mormont, but when i read the books i didn’t see a man as young as karl urban playing him. so i would have to go for TIMOTHY DALTON for me. don’t know if he is younger or older than james cosmo (mormont) but i think timothy would be great as mance! in every aspect…

  • Jerglar,

    I’d LOVE to see Garrett Dillahunt in this series somewhere. If not a major role, maybe a character like Gerris Drinkwater or Justin Massey.

  • I just thought of someone and he would be fantastic. Paul Bettany. His role as Chaucer in a Knights Tale is exactly how I thought Mance would be, the confidence and charm (though with darker hair, but that’s what the hair department is there for) and lately he’s been doing action roles so he can pull off that part too.

  • Silvan:
    I really like Christopher Eccleston as Mance, but I really like him for everything.

    I think his face is too comedic. I liked him as the Doctor, but I don’t see the serious gravitas. Then again, I haven’t seen him in that much, so I could be wrong.

  • Shadowcat85,

    Yes, this pilot is getting a whole lot of buzz. If it gets picked up (which I think is likely absent some truly unforeseen pilot-tastrophe) then I don’t think James Purefoy will be available, even if they only plan to shoot 13 episodes as is rumored. It’s possible, I just don’t think it’s likely.

  • Henry Ian Cusick just is Mance for me. I absolutely love Purefoy too though, so I’d be happy with either. But HIC FTW.

  • Joshua Taylor:
    Lori,

    Love Csokas! Great choice. Also Kingdom of Heaven connection! Csokas what with NCW, Robert Pugh (Craster), Balian’s blacksmith (Will from the Prologue) Iain Glenn (Jorah plays Richard the Lion Heart at the end) and the fact that the iron throne is made from KOH prop swords!

    To keep the KOH connection rolling I’d love to see David Thewlis in the show

  • When some one says Robin Hood, I can only think of Robin of Sherwood and that makes me miss Clive Mantle (our Greatjon). I think more from RS should make appearances, like Ray Winstone or Mark Ryan. (Sorry that show is still one of my favorites :-)

    As for the role in question…
    McKidd or Purefoy

    Also on my wishlist for a role…
    Ian McShane and Sean Pertwee
    (any suggestions for these?)

  • Mads Mikkelsen and James Purefoy on the show would be more than perfect.. They both belong to my favourite actors.

    Mads Mikkelsen as Euron or Victarion
    James Purefoy as Oberyn Martell or Mance

    and Cillian Murphy as Reek and I will be the happiest person in the world :D

  • She’s maybe a bit old for the role but what about Indira Varma for Arianne Martell ?

  • Rufus Sewell was put forward a lot for Stannis, but to me he’s always been the ideal Mance. Cold, charismatic, and slightly mocking.

    That said, I expect to see a vet from HBO’s stable of actors in this role. Which makes Purefoy a good bet.

  • The Kingslayer,

    If that’s the case, find a role for Jouko Ahola !! A very underrated actor who has been in some very good indie movies where he shows his acting skills: Invincible, and Bad Day For Fishing. Just not sure who he can play….

  • What about Tommy Flanagan. I think he would be really good for this role. But like Eccleston, I think he would be good choice for many of the characters. Other guys I could see are Dominic West, Ulrich Thomsen, and Brad Dourif. The more I think of it I would love to see Flanagan, Eccleston, or Thomsen as Mance. Although Thomsen may be best suited for Connigton. Actually, he would be perfect for Connigton.

  • Juan,

    Christopher ecclestone is a great choice. I actually had him down for stannis at one point and still picture him when I read, but he would make a great mance/Abel

    What about viggo mortenson?

  • I would also have assumed Mance a bit older (looking) than the four proposed actors, but amongst them Purefoy definitely suits my mental image most. What is more important than age, though, is that the actor needs the natural authorative charisma that makes it believable that he united the Wildlings. Maybe Liam Cunningham can play two roles? Or we resurrect Ned Stark as Mance Rayder?

    A more serious suggestion is the much underrated Trevor Eve, who was superb as Peter Boyd in BBC’s ‘Waking the Dead’ (and other parts like ITV’s ‘Kidnap and Ransom’). Besides the charisma, he also has a fine singing voice!

    (btw, Mikkelsen HAS to be a northerner – he could never pass for a Dorner, so definitely no Oberyn for him. I’d like to have him on the show, but it would have to be as a Greyjoy or a Bolton or something)

  • Tony Stark,

    These are the exact reasons I think Liam Neeson is a better fit. He’s getting to be around 60, so he’s definitely old enough, and he has just the sort of charismatic voice that would make all the wildlings drop what they’re doing and pay attention. Throw on a longish wig and get him to stop shaving for a while and he’s perfect.

  • My requirements for any casting on this show:

    1) The actor can really act.

    2) No names so big that they overwhelm the role itself. No one has been cast in this vein to my mind – people know Sean Bean, but they don’t say, hey, that’s Sean Bean every second he’s acting. No Sting, no Rock, No Vin Diesel. Not that any of these are realistic.

    Luckily, Nina Gold agrees. And most of the names above work.

    Everyone should keep in mind that this is not a large role.

  • Ron pearlman for thormund or vic or Euron.

    More importantly, who will play Ros’s long lost sister?

  • Mance Rayder is a wildling child who was taken in and raised by the Night’s Watch. To my mind, that suggests the actor should have scandinavian facial features, e.g. Icelandic or Norwegian.

  • Maxwell James: Rufus Sewell was put forward a lot for Stannis, but to me he’s always been the ideal Mance. Cold, charismatic, and slightly mocking.

    Yep he would be a good Mance.
    http://www.imdb.com/media/rm1659143424/nm0001722

    Age wise for Mance I think we are looking for an actor between 40 and 50, not too young but young enough so it’s believable that he fought his way to the title King beyond the Wall not too many years ago.

    I wanted Henry Ian Cusick for Davos never really pictured him as Mance but he could work but out of the 4 listed in the post I think Purefoy would be best (but Sewell would be better).

  • Out of those four I would quite like Mads for Mance. Never considered him before now but I think he would be a great fit.

    Also, keeping up the King Arthur connection has no-one mentioned Clive Owen for anything? I reckon he could do Mance in his sleep.

    Also, I’d like to add my voice (fingers) to the Nathan Fillion support. As everyone should know, Nathan being in something improves it by at least 83% – I’d friggin’ love him to be in the show in any part you care to mention. Even as one of the duelling dwarf pig riders. The female one.

  • Mance is going to be the role of a lifetime for someone. It’s hard for me to think about seriously. Like with Qhorin and Oberyn, I devolve quickly into “OMG, What if !?!?!??!”

    I’ve been rooting for Dominic West. Tim Roth might be even better. Mikkelson would also be great.

  • Rufus Sewell would be great also.
    about edmure, yeah paul bettany could do it, though if kenneth branagh were 15 years younger i’d rather it be him.

  • Just a few availability comments on some of the names mentioned here…a bunch of these names are already committed to other shows that have either been renewed or are very likely to be renewed.

    Garret Dillahunt – Raising Hope
    Nathan Fillion- Castle
    Damien Lewis – Homeland
    Robert Carlyle – Once Upon a Time
    Kevin McKidd – Grey’s Anatomy

    Dominic West is committed to another season of The Hour for the BBC. He might still be available depending on the particular schedule involved.

    James Purefoy is in a Fox pilot with Kevin Bacon that’s getting a lot of good buzz. I would put him down as unavailable, at least for season 3. Maybe something later on.

    Ciaran Hinds is in a fairly high profile miniseries called Political Animals set to air on USA. There’s word that if it does well, it could become a regular series. I’m sure they have an option on him if that pans out. (Btw, this looks kind of awesome… Ciaran and Sigourney Weaver and Carla Gugino.)

    I don’t mean to be a downer, but realism is a good thing to prevent disappointment, IMO.

    Personally, I am very much hoping they go with Latin, middle eastern and/or east Asian actors for the Dorne characters.

  • The Kingslayer: spoiler alert) too. If you catch my drift.

    I adore David Thewlis so anything that gets him on here would be awesome. And acutally, not to complain about the current Dolorous Edd, but Thewlis would have been excellent in that role.

  • Some great suggestions in this thread! Personally I’d like to see Michael Wincott in the role. Although he’d also make a perfect red viper!

  • Jordan Healey:
    It’s gonna be that guy from Iceland.

    Gudmundur Ingi Þorvaldsson

    It is known!

    Seems lots of people here have short memories – can’t believe they didn’t at least include him in the list at the top. Course if he doesn’t get Mance he’ll get The Magnar.

  • I would love to see Brendon Gleeson play Victarion but I just can’t see him stepping down to TV.

    Wait what about Angus Macfadyen for Mance ?

  • Drfunk,

    I don’t really want to get into a huge discussion about it at the moment, and I’m sure this will get delved into when the inevitable Oberyn casting post goes up, but the description of the Martells does not come across as white. There is room for discussion, are they Latin or south Asian or middle eastern or what, but George himself said he thought Janina Gavankar (from True Blood) would make a good Arianne. That tells me GRRM pictured the Dornish as not white.

  • Would Gabriel Byrne still be too expensive? He’s often a little too serious for Mance, but there’s a roguishness there too.

  • Nathan Fillion casting? While unlikely due to Castle, I nominate him for latter seasons as Jon Connington! I can just picture him in gruff angry Nathan mode dealing with their *ahem* passenger.

  • None of the above.

    I recommend, in order of preference:

    Rufus Sewell: he is, without a doubt, my ideal casting choice for the role of Mance. He exhudes power and presence and would, ever so effortlessly, bring that role to life, all it would take is the look in his eye. He’s a powerful presence. Can be both menacing and charming at the same time. He plyse complicated exceedingly well, and the principled rogue persona fits him like a glove. He also happens to be one of the more brilliant, and underrated, british actors. http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0001722/

    Ioan Gruffud: Charming, subtle, and with a strong screen presence. I’m not sure they can get him, but he would make a very good Mance. http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0344435/

    Daniel Pirrie : He’s not well known yet, not even as a Brit TV presence, though he did have a small role in season 2 of Downton Abbey, but I’ve seen him on stage, and he would make an amazing Mance. The man can act. The one drawback is that he might be a tad young for the role. http://www.imdb.com/name/nm1770860/

    ETAL Please, no James Purefoy. He’s eye candy, but a terrible actor, imo.

  • Please, anybody but Karl Urban. The guy just can’t act and it will be all the more obvious when he’s cast alongside the current cast of Thrones who are all very talented.

  • Damn … I wasn’t aware that Ian McShane was that old …. surely there is some where they can put him to good use … As one who has not read past the 1st book I wonder since the Rome series seems to have the right look and feel to pull talent from … is there somewhere that Ray Stevenson (Titus Pullo) might fit into the scheme of things to come … aside from Purefoy and McKidd I thought his performances was one of the strongest …

  • Juan,

    Friend, the more I think about it the more I think you’re absolutely right! He has that look about him doesn’t he? Ha-ha

  • Daniel Griffin:
    Please, anybody but Karl Urban.The guy just can’t act and it will be all the more obvious when he’s cast alongside the current cast of Thrones who are all very talented.

    I liked Karl in The Lord Of The Rings and The Bourne Supremacy. He also done a pretty good job as Bones in Star Trek.

  • Henry Ian Cusick

    Is the best of the list, remember that Mance shouldn’t look like a perfect wildling leader or a king.He is a man of cunning and possibly charm, Urban Mikkelsen and specially Purefoy have a warrior look that Mance shouldn’t have.He has charisma, but not in that way.

  • Ours is the Fury: Peter Wingfield.

    This

    I didn’t know the actor, but he has a great, perfect look. Also, he’s british and not so well known to be outrageously expensive in an already huge, huge cast.

  • Tony Stark:
    Damn … I wasn’t aware that Ian McShane was that old …. surely there is some where they can put him to good use … As one who has not read past the 1st book I wonder since the Rome series seems to have the right look and feel to pull talent from … is there somewhere that Ray Stevenson (Titus Pullo) might fit into the scheme of things to come … aside from Purefoy and McKidd I thought his performances was one of the strongest …

    I suggested earlier that Ray could make a good Victarion. As for Ian how about Qyburn ?

  • isiman,

    I just realised something great about this show. We don’t ever have to worry about salary costs and wages for the rising number of cast members…for every one new person they hire, they (and the book) kill off at least two or more!!! ;P

  • Nick Larter: It is known!

    Seems lots of people here have short memories – can’t believe they didn’t at least include him in the list at the top.Course if he doesn’t get Mance he’ll get The Magnar.

    Yeah, I remember him revealing he had auditioned a few times and that they really liked him. He may well be our Mance. But I was compiling some of the top fan suggestions and despite his rumored connection to the production, he wasn’t talked about too much.

  • Come on, guys. Liam Neeson. How could you not love him for Mance? He’s a pretty busy actor, yes, but this role is perfect for him. Somebody get him the books so he knows what’s at stake if it goes to a lesser actor.

  • isiman: He is a man of cunning and possibly charm, Urban Mikkelsen and specially Purefoy have a warrior look that Mance shouldn’t have.He has charisma, but not in that way.

    So maybe they should get Simon Baker then? :-)

  • I like Mikkleson for Mance Rayder. He looks perfect! I totally agree with Purefoy as the Red Viper and would love to Siddig get ANY part on this show.

  • Daniel Griffin,

    I have been very happy with Urban and do not think that he is as poor an actor as you might think. He not who I would see in that role. (See older ^ post for my ideas)

    Having read the newer postings, I could see Ray Stevenson as Mance.

  • It’s funny to me that no one has mentioned Eccleston as Euron. While reading the book and to this day, he is definitively my image of Euron. He’s got the charm, can appear sinister if he has to, and shares the most striking resemblance to the look of the Greyjoys thus far.

  • Tywin has something to say about contemplating James Purefoy as the Red Viper

    Madness…madness and stupidity.

  • Given Mance’s role, people need to think more Charles Dance or Patrick Malahide-type — talented but not big — than expensive cameo.

  • I’d love Purefoy as Mance (my first choice since always), but sadly he has a new TV series coming up soon and it’s getting a lot of buzz.

    Agreed with Ours is The Fury that the Dornish people aren’t supposed to be white. Though I think Nymeria Sand has pale skin? Or am I misremembering?

  • I like Henry Ian Cusick, but I’ve always pictured Mance as James Callis. Also, Mikkelsen is far too creepy-looking, IMO. He would make a great Bastard of Bolton.

    Karl Urban is Victarion. That’s always who I saw in that role.

  • Liam Neeson? Hahaha. Not gonna happen, and wouldn’t want it to. Why waste budget on Mance Rayder?

    (BTW, can someone explain to me why this is such an important role? Fun, yes. Fan favorite, yes. But it’s hardly the most demanding role in a series full of demanding roles. Mance is a plot-driver and someone to act as another adult guide to Jon (the counter to Ned and Mormont in some ways). I’ve never wondered what Mance Rayder was thinking or doing or why.)

  • The Kingslayer,

    Oh Yeah my bad I hadn’t scrolled up when I posted that … I’m not familiar with the character you named having not read the books yet … Anywhere they could fit him in where he has a chance to work his craft will be great IMO … and he does have a following from his past works so it would create a positive buzz for the show I’m sure …

  • Hi-Fi:
    I’d love Purefoy as Mance (my first choice since always), but sadly he has a new TV series coming up soon and it’s getting a lot of buzz.

    Agreed with Ours is The Fury that the Dornish people aren’t supposed to be white. Though I think Nymeria Sand has pale skin? Or am I misremembering?

    That’s not completely true. The Dornish are a mix of ethnicities, like Spain, spanning from some more pale skinned people (I believe in the mountains) to mediterranean (olive-ish) to I believe substantially draker-skinned peoples (like the Moors). Not sure about the last part but there were three — the stone?, the sandy and the shore, right?

    There are also the gypsy/romani-styled aspects of the river people.

  • The Kingslayer:
    Alan,

    After reading ADWD I’ve become more interested in Mance’s motives.

    I can see that, though I still don’t see him as a character, like say, Brienne, Stannis, Sam, Jon, etc. He’s like Slynt or Thorne or Craster — interesting, sure, but if I had to choose on whom I’d nail casting…

    Perhaps a better example is Ramsay — now that’s a casting they need to nail.

    I’m much more interested in listening to Tormund!

  • Alan,

    Har we’ll make a wildling out of you yet ;-p

    Mance is definitely a bigger character than Craster and Slynt, his actions are one of the reasons why Stannis leaves Dragonstone.

  • Mads Mikkelsen starred in one of my favorite movies – Adam’s Apples.

    Very, very dark and quirky comedy filmed in Denmark.

    Mikkelsen is a talented guy, I could see him playing a lot of different GOT roles.

  • i am a big fan of rufus sewell …. of the suggestions so far.

    i do have a former Nina Gold castee that might also work for Maynce, a more charming mance, Ioan Gruffudd.

    and i don’t really see Edmure Tully being that big of a part but somebody like Tom Goodman-Hill seems like a pretty good bet (another Nina alum).

    a few other Nina alums who I’d like to see in the show just not sure what character might be good but still fine actors who’d add to the production if a role could be found for them:

    John Simm

    Daniel Mays

    Paddy Considine

    Michael McElhatton (He has been in a few Nina Gold cast things and he has that GoT look so I’d be surprised if he doesn’t end up in the show eventually).

    EDIT: and having posted this before i read the comments entirely i now see that Dee had the same thoughts as me Sewell or Gruffudd, great minds and all that.

  • Drfunk,

    From an excerpt from A Storm of Swords:

    The salty Dornishmen were lithe and dark, with smooth olive skin and long black hair streaming in the wind. The sandy Dornishmen were even darker, their faces burned brown by the hot Dornish sun. They wound long bright scarfs around their helms to ward off sunstroke. The stony Dornishmen were biggest and fairest, sons of the Andals and the First Men, brown-haired or blond, with faces that freckled or burned in the sun instead of browning.

    So depending on the region they’re from (ex: the Martells are ‘salty’ – from the coast of the ocean, whereas the Daynes would be ‘stony’, because Starfall is in the stony mountains in the west, near the reach, hence lots of art and fancasts of the Daynes being caucasian) it’s quite clear that many Dornish peoples are not descriptively caucasian in appearance. Also, GRRM himself said that the Martells were not caucasian – he said specifically that Janina Gavankar looks like the Nymeria Sand in his mind, if I’m not mistaken, and she’s an American-born actress of Indian descent.

    The Andals and the First Men are, by description’s sake, ‘white’ – the Lannisters with their blonde hair and blue eyes are known to be one of the purest Andal descendants. The Rhoynar, meanwhile, were people from Essos along the river Rhoyne with black hair, dark eyes, and olive skin, that fled to Dorne when they went to war with Valyria nearly a thousand years before Aegon’s Landing. I’m pretty sure that when GRRM repeats ‘olive skin’ it’s not just olive because they’re tanned from heat.

    Of course, HBO/the show has cast people not just on their ethnicity but also their immense talent in bringing a role to life, and they’ve gone against the books’ physical descriptions of characters already, but I think for characters as major as the Martells and the Dornish peoples as a whole, it’s important that they maintain that, to distinguish them in appearance, in culture, and so on and so forth. I really like that.

  • Rukie44:
    Based on the pictures alone, I’d say Mads Mikkelsen has the rough-and-tough look of a wildling leader. Everyone else looks too… pretty.
    Of course, there’s more to the role than just looks. And as we’ve seen from the images of Gwendoline Christie as Brienne, looks can be changed pretty easily.

    Yeah, have you seen Ironclad? An okay movie at best, really, but Purefoy plays a templar knight in it and he certainly has a rough-and-tough look.

    Joh:
    Mads Mikkelsen starred in one of my favorite movies – Adam’s Apples.

    Very, very dark and quirky comedy filmed in Denmark.

    Mikkelsen is a talented guy, I could see him playing a lot of different GOT roles.

    Great film! And yeah, he’s very talented, could play a great number of roles. He’s also quite the hottie. <3

    Poke:
    Mikkelsen has the look of one of the Boltons maybe

    No way, Mikkelsen is way too beautiful to play Ramsay, who’s supposed to be quite ugly.

  • Lord of the Oakfort,

    i think you are right …. but it is hard to keep track of these things. it wasn’t on his imdb page tho.

    okay so checking the WiC cast page it appears he his but i honestly had totally forgotten that when i was looking thru Nina productions and people who were in them … i came across him and thought “well he is in a bunch of stuff cast by her and he looks very GoTish so he is definitely going to be in the show eventually” … and he is in the show … so i am both an idiot (for forgetting and a genius for amnesiatically predicting he’d be great for the show!

  • Ewan McGregor for Mance:
    1) has the look..
    2)has the accent
    3)has the greying hair
    4)following the departure of sean bean, the show needs another famous strong actor

  • HERP-DERP,

    Maybe not such an outlandish idea now that Ewan’s involved with HBO for The Corrections. But personally Ewan strikes more of Edmure.

  • For me, I think John Hannah would be perfect in that role. His performance as Batiatus in Spartacus was the stuff of legend. He would certainly bring the perfect amount of charisma needed to pull off the role.

    Plus he’s the right age, he’s available, and he’s from Scotland, which would give him the right accent.

    He is Mance!

  • Katie,

    For someone of a little more varied ethnicity I think that Mark Dacascos from The Brotherhood of Wolves would be a great addition to the cast. He was just recently tied up w/ Hawaii 5.0 but I am pretty sure that role has played it’s course … and he has an extensive martial arts background that would serve him well in the choreography of fight scenes …

  • Tony Stark,

    how would you ever get him out of Kitchen Stadium? he is afterall the Chairman.

    but seriously he is pretty rubbish except in Brotherhood of the Wolf which is an excellent film.

  • Ours is the Fury,

    I still stand by my point of best actor available. The difference between hispanic traits and caucasian traits aren’t insurmountable. I’d hate for a great actor to be scratched off simply because he’s too “insert color”. That said, Oberynn has such a short but memorable arc that I would hope they bring in some major star power .

  • Dee,

    :-) I can already envision Oded piercing The Mountain with his poisoned spear, we must make sure Nina casts him.

  • some of these suggestions are just ridiculous. the more money they spend on big name actors the less they can spend on Dragons & Wolfies. so Liam Nesson or Ewan McGreggor would mean LESS DRAGONS.

    and everybody wants MORE DRAGONS (& DIREWOLVES)

    so why don’t we try to keep the casting suggestions to the somewhat plausible and not the utterly budget-destroying fantastical shall we :D

  • Jeffrey Donovan from Burn Notice seems like a good fit IMO. http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0232998/
    For any BN viewers you know that Donovan is one of the most under rated actors out there, he can get into any character seamlessly and has the physical requirements for a good Mance Rayder cast.

    Otherwise, from the four on the topic, I’d choose Mikkelsen!

  • James Purefoy was fucking brilliant in Rome. I’d love to see him cast as someone. Not exactly how I’d pictured Mance, but looking at him now, I could see it happening.

  • Lynn,

    You forget that Nathan Fillion wants to be in Game of Thrones and if he plays Butterbumps he will get what..1 or 1 episodes most? I don’t see the problem there.

    If he wants it he would do it.

  • HERP-DERP,

    One of the reason Sean Bean was such a great choice for Ned was because he would draw in viewers, and you only had to cover his salary for one year. That allowed for the show to grow and allowed for the story to set the hook. With the number of viewers climbing, a big name just isn’t needed. Unless Mance becomes a major character in the final books, I don’t see a big name playing the character that only has a few scenes.

  • Jeremy Irons is so terrible on The Borgias, that I don’t want him anywhere near GoT. He used to be such a good actor, I don’t know what happened.

    Drfunk,

    There aren’t a huge amount of characters in ASOIAF that are non-white. When you have a great character like Oberyn that is most likely dark or olive-skinned, it is doing a disservice on many levels to cast a white actor. I get the feeling this subject is going to become a hotly contested issue when discussing Oberyn’s casting down the road.

  • i have always pictured Mance as somebody who was gregarious … more of a Bard by nature … who is only a leader because the Wildings needed a leader … sort of a reluctant King. and King not because he was the biggest or the strongest but because he was the smartest and the cleverest and the boldest … people follow him because they are in a desparate state (the rise of the Others) and needed and wanted to follow a guy with bold new ideas who had the talent and smarts to pull them off.

    and while he tries to be jovial and humourous on the outside he’s lead a hard life and knows how and when to be serious and ruthless if necessary.

    frankly Purefoy and Urban and Mikkelson Ian Cussiak just don’t give me that vibe … that they’d rather be a wandering adventurer/poet but having taken up the responsibility of leading the Wildings will do everything he can to lead them to safety.

    i mean you can’t be king of the Wildings by strength given that Giants are involved, you are king beyond the wall because of your brains and guile and audacity.

  • Paul Ramirez:

    What about Ralph Feinnes?

    Ralph Feinnes is too expensive, and too old, imo. I always saw Mance as in his early 40s. Joseph Feinnes would be a better fit, and more affordable, but his acting skills are questionable.

  • I love Mads for Euron, as someone else pointed out, he looks too perfect for that role, problem being they prob won’t cast Euron for season 3.

    One guy I think would be good for Mance, who I’m pretty sure no one is mentioning, is Ray Stevenson, from Rome. He might not be exactly what people see when they think of their version of Mance, but I like him for it, maybe a tad young, but I never really saw Mance as an older guy in my head, more middle aged if anything. I think he has the right size for it, and more importantly, he can look intimidating while also having a lighter side, which i think is key for Mance’s character.

  • I like Purefoy for the Red Viper.
    I wouldn’t mind seeing other Rome cast members join the GOT cast.
    McKidd would be awesome as………….Randal Tarley!

  • Urban should definitely be in GOT but I’m not sure he fits for Mance. I like the Hugh Laurie idea but that would never happen.

  • Who Is Jacopo Belbo?,

    Getting Paddy Considine in the show would be amazing. He seems a little young for Mance, maybe, but I like him enough that I don’t much care. Not a Gruffold fan, but the rest seem promising.

  • Who Is Jacopo Belbo?: i have always pictured Mance as somebody who was gregarious … more of a Bard by nature … who is only a leader because the Wildings needed a leader … sort of a reluctant King. and King not because he was the biggest or the strongest but because he was the smartest and the cleverest and the boldest … people follow him because they are in a desparate state (the rise of the Others) and needed and wanted to follow a guy with bold new ideas who had the talent and smarts to pull them off.and while he tries to be jovial and humourous on the outside he’s lead a hard life and knows how and when to be serious and ruthless if necessary.frankly Purefoy and Urban and Mikkelson Ian Cussiak just don’t give me that vibe … that they’d rather be a wandering adventurer/poet but having taken up the responsibility of leading the Wildings will do everything he can to lead them to safety.i mean you can’t be king of the Wildings by strength given that Giants are involved, you are king beyond the wall because of your brains and guile and audacity.

    This, exactly this is why I want James Frain as Mance Rayder dammit. I think he can play clever, playful, intimidating, and (if necessary) curel perfectly and often in one scene.

  • Jillian,

    OH DAMN!

    James Frain would be an awesome addition to the show… Not sure if he’s right for Mance though.

    He might be the perfect Lem Lemoncloak.

  • Btw, why start the season 3 casting threads now already? In a couple of weeks we’ll all enter that huge black hole again when S02 E10 has aired and news becomes scarce… Or do you guys have some inside information that suggests S03 preparations (including casting announcements) will get underway faster this time?

  • Katie: I actually always saw Alexander Siddig (http://imdb.to/nyzOh ) as Oberyn. I saw him in the Director’s Cut of Kingdom of Heaven and thought he was great. Admittedly that part was a LOT more subtle than the Red Viper,lol, but he’s got such a great presence. I’d love to see him in the series.

    I agree with Siddig as the Red Viper.

  • Angel Andres: What about Sir Patrick Stewart as ANYONE!

    That goes without saying, just like that other british monument: Judie Dench! (for the Queen of Thorns for instance)

  • what about Robert Carlyle? hes a bit older then the suggestions but it would make sense for the show.

  • Tar Kidho: That goes without saying, just like that other british monument: Judie Dench! (for the Queen of Thorns for instance)

    Maggie Smith! It is known.

  • Not a huge fan of Robert Carlyle after he ignorantly insulted Lord Of The Rings in an issue of Empire, he basically said I can’t stand that fantasy s**t, which is funny considering he featured in the abysmal Eragon.

  • For whatever reason, I always pictured Brendan Gleeson as Mance when I read the books. He’s probably on the older side now, but it just fit for me……..plus, he’d work with his on-screen father from Braveheart, James Cosmo.

  • You know there is another Mikkelson

    http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0586565/

    Mads older brother Lars who starred in the original Danish “the killing” or Forbrydelson.
    Either could be Mance but how about Euron And Victarion both a Mikkelson. Now that would be something!

  • Souleater,

    Nice to see there’s Burn Notice fans out there, I guess that makes two ;-) Anyway it’s my impression of course but unless his terrible fake accents are deliberately bad Donovan on Game of Thrones would not be a good idea. Love the guy. But not on GoT.

  • If you are looking for someone with a Mediterranean look for the red viper, how about Alexander Siddig? He certainly has the genre credentials (DS9, Kingdom of Heaven).

  • please PLEASE stop with the nathan fillion suggestions. it’s entirely absurd. the guy can do a bit of comedy but he has zero presence and is laughable when it comes to anything remotely dramatic. i’d bet my daughter’s life he can’t do a british accent- dinklage and NCW can get away with this because of their immense talents, but fillion would be an absolute train wreck.

    i question the sanity of anyone who thinks he would even be in the running for such a great role. mance rayder is pivotal and the audience must believe in his charisma, power, and intelligence. the idea of putting fillion on this show is so stupid it makes the asinine suggestion of vin diesel seem borderline genius.

    i’d go so far as to say that if you think nathan fillion belongs on GOT, then you’re not a true fan and you’re barely a functioning human being.

  • Rolph Spicer,

    Wow. Someone woke up on the wrong side of the bed this morning. You Purists need to take a chill pill. I agree with you that he should not be Mance Rayder or any pivotal role. But he has shown interest on twitter in taking part in the series somehow. He has also read the books which is why I suggested he might play Butterbumps in a 30 second scene. It was meant more as a joke than anything.

    Relax man.

  • I see people suggest big names. That’s most likely not going to happen. Why spend much money on some famous actor when you can get someone just as good, who’s relatively unknown and won’t distract the viewers?

    If Liam Neeson joins the cast, that’s what people will see. Liam Neeson, not the character he is playing.

  • Siddig may have the look of the Red Viper but he IMO doesn’t have the physical presence. The actor that comes to mind is Oded Feyr (the Mummy films and those zombie flicks that I can’t remember the names of right now….

  • Maester Blaster:
    If you are looking for someone with a Mediterranean look for the red viper, how about Alexander Siddig?He certainly has the genre credentials (DS9, Kingdom of Heaven).

    I agree with this. He should not be expensive I presume.

  • Rolph Spicer:
    please PLEASE stop with the nathan fillion suggestions.it’s entirely absurd. the guy can do a bit of comedy but he has zero presence and is laughable when it comes to anything remotely dramatic. i’d bet my daughter’s life he can’t do a british accent- dinklage and NCW can get away with this because of their immense talents, butfillion would be an absolute train wreck.

    i question the sanity of anyone who thinks he would even be in the running for such a great role. mance rayder is pivotal and the audience must believe in his charisma, power, and intelligence.the idea of putting fillion on this show is so stupid it makes the asinine suggestion of vin diesel seem borderline genius.

    i’d go so far as to say that if you think nathan fillion belongs on GOT, then you’re not a true fan and you’re barely a functioning human being.

    Good gods, man. Isn’t it exhausting too exhibit this much outrage over someone’s opinions about the casting of a television show? They suggested an actor – that’s hardly worth your scorn and derision.

  • I really like the idea of getting both Purefoy and Mikkelson on the show. I’ve pictured Purefoy as both Mance and as Euron and I would take him in either role. I could totally picture him ordering the seal stand in for Asha at her “wayward bride” wedding. I think Mikkelson would be outstanding as Victarion.

    I’d also like to see Ron Perlman as either Areo Hotah or Tormund Giantsbane.

    I also think Ian McShane is excellent, and would have been a good cast as Balon Greyjoy. But, the guy they have playing Balon nailed it, IMHO. I think McShane has too many years on him to play Mance or the younger brothers of Balon.

    As much as I like Ciaran Hinds, I would expect the Dornish roles to go to actors with Hispanic or Arabian ethnicity, so I don’t think he’d fit there.

  • My top 3, based on the nominations, would be Henry Ian Cusick, James Purefoy, and Peter Wingfield.

  • CT Wahoo,

    Ciaran has a very dark complexion than most Irishmen, he was Julius Caesar after all. Not the greatest argument though since the real GJC was white skinned and blonde, blue eyed. :-) If Dorne is more Spanish than Moorish, Hinds could pull it off a lighter skinned aristocrat like Prince Doran as most of the smallfolk would be exposed to Dorne’s hot climes rather than the oligarchy.

  • Glad to see more people on the Tim Roth bandwagon! And Rufus Sewell is great, but I don’t see him as Mance. He’d be an awesome Ramsay if he was younger though.

  • They should start casting some of the Spartacus actors now that they’ve been killed off.

    John Hannah
    Katrina Law as Arianne
    etc…

  • Conor,

    Yes NBC has an absolute passion when it comes to cancelling great shows … the better they are the faster they bring out the axe … “Kings” comes to mind @ 1st thought …

  • I always pictured Viggo when reading the books, he will forever be Mance for me. I don’t think Mance cannot look “pretty” (that’s what someone said above – why? I always pictured him as a charming man in the books), and all the actors presented are pretty. If I had to choose from them only I’d go for Mads and nobody else. But my second fave choice after Viggo is Marton Csokas. I’d never thought about it before, but people mentioned it a lot in this thread and I just love it. He has caught my eye in every film I’ve seen him, and its almost always in supporting roles. He shines, imo. I’m so sad they aged up Balon so much -though the actor turned out perfect- because from the way Euron is described in the books he’s supposed to be very hot, and in my mind, he’s in his therties. I cannot picture Purefoy as Euron or Oberyn tnh. I can picture him as Victarion, though. As for the Martells, I am a hundred percent sure their skin is olive. Google olive skin. It’s Mediterranean (Greek, Italian, Spanish, and I would gladly go for Egypt too). White does not mean snow-white. The whole Dornish culture reminds me of Egypt with a lot of ancient Crete (Greece) thrown in the mix. That said, my favourie suggestion for Oberyn (from the ones Ive seen here) is Siddig. He is from Northern Africa, and he looks close to the Oberyn I had in mind (a bit thinner and less “naughty” but that’s life :P). I’m sorry there are are no spaces and I jump from subject to subject a lot, but I’m on my phone and I know no way to change the line :P

  • Definitely James Purefoy. He can pull it off so well, I imagine. I loved his characters in “Camelot” and “Ironclad”, and he definitely has that quiet charm, yet brutal exterior to him.

  • Wray: Robert Knepper

    Oooohhh, he’d be a great Mance, too! Loved him as Batiatus!!! He definitely has the roguish charisma I always found in Mance!!!!

    I also like Paul Bettany for Edmure Tully… or Eddie Redmayne (http://www.imdb.com/name/nm1519666/), he might be a bit on the young-ish side, I can’t recall Edmure’s age, but I always imagined him younger than Cat and Lysa…

  • Oh, I just saw the Rufus Sewell suggestion. I ADORE this actor, he was great in PotE, but he looks funny with long hair, he is so much better with short :P I would hate to see him as a Bolton, if I’m not mistaken he plays the villain quite a lot, and I kinda want the actors I love to stay away from the Boltons. That goes for Mads, too. As for Ioan Gruffudd, well, he is my absolute favourite actor (vey underrated, have you seen Amazing Grace?), and I would love to see him in GoT, even if he was just in the background, lol :P! I think he has the right age for Mance but he looks younger, so Idk if he’s right for that role. I can’t think of anything, help!! Now, on to Fehr. I don’t like him (for Oberyn) in his imdb pics, but he looks AWESOME in the pic someone posted above, with the painted face and the long hair. I remember someone posted it on tumblr about a year ago and I reblogged it. Now, if he can look like that on the show -minus the paint- then I support this choice!

  • James Purefoy looks like a nice Mance and maybe the most likely out of these guys.

    However that Scandanavian guy who auditioned for Bronn back before season 1 will probably get it. Gudmundur Ingi Þorvaldsson, he seems like he would nail the part pretty well if he can do the lighthearted side of Mance too.

    I think Mance needs to look a bit gruff but still have some kind of infectious positivity about him without loosing the ability to be a dark badass. Dominic West seems maybe perfect in my eyes, i loved him in the Wire and his face has all that I imagine Mance to be.

    I was originally a fan of Ian McShane as Mance, but unfortunatly feel he is probably too old and not suited to any other character in the series except maybe Griff or Qyburn….

    I think the characters surrounding Mance need to work brilliantly too, Tormund needs to be as close to the books as possible, larger than life, booming laughter, bit of comic relief, but also be a massive guy who can kill things buy hitting them with his cock. Brian Blessed or Ron Perlman seem suited for this part, hopefully they could beef it up a little to keep a great actor around.

  • Mickelson would have made a good halfhand but that’s already in the can. I think Purefoy would make the best Mance from the above, though I actually really liked the Tim Roth suggestion someone made for Mance.

    Here are some thoughts:
    Mickelson: Lothor Brune, Lem Lemmoncloak, The Titan’s Bastard (maybe not), Maybe Grey Worm (if they were age agnostic for him), Victarion or The Crow’s Eye

    Purefoy: Mance, Randall Tarly, Ben Plum (he might not be grandfatherly/charismatic enough)

    Roth: Mance, Gryph

    Jeremy Irons is still my number one pick for The Blackfish if they ever cast him

    Bieber as Jojen Reed (KIDDING!)

  • Lisa Gouget,

    Edmure is 24 at the start of the first book (297 after Aegon’s Landing), —> about 27 in the third/fourth. Then again, Cat is 33 in the first one and they aged her up, as they did with most of the cast, so I’d imagine they would cast an actor in his mid-therties, for Edmure. If we get one. Which we should, otherwise the Rw would be completely changed and I’d HATE that.

  • Where might Anthony Head fit into all of this … or perhaps Lance Henriksen from “Millenium” has anyone already mentioned either of them …

  • Nights King,

    Based on his performance in Kingdom of Heaven and NOT the Borgias, Irons would be awesome as the Blackfish. I just don’t see it happening. Ian McShane as the Blackfish could work though. Nice to have McShane as a bad ass “good guy”.

  • Ken:
    They all seem a little young to me to fill the role

    I agree. Mance is older than most people seem to think. He’s a contemporary of Qhorin in the Night’s Watch, as described in the books. And he’s already been described in the series as having been around for years. Actors can be aged up much easier than they can be aged down, however. So actor age isn’t really all that important. Probably more important in the choice is the actor will probably need a decent singing voice, especially if we get as far as a season covering ADWD.

    Tim Roth looks good for the part, although his plate is mighty full with several movies due to start filming this year. Gary Oldman also comes to mind, but he’s probably A) too expensive to hire and B) “too good for TV” in his own eyes.

  • Shadowcat85,

    Thanks, Shadowcat.

    I get the instinct to indulge in fantasy casting, but then the real casting announcements come out, and a lot of people are terribly disappointed because of the buzz threads like this generate. There is just no realistic way movie stars like Paul Bettany, Viggo Mortensen or Liam Neeson are going to take small supporting roles on a TV series.

    And then there are the guys who are just unavailable… believe me you won’t find a bigger James Purefoy fan than me, and I’d love to see him in GoT. But I think his pilot is more likely than not going to series, and that just makes it unlikely we’ll see him on GoT, at least not next year.

  • Christopher Eccleston for Mance
    Christopher Eccleston for Mance!
    Christopher Eccleston for Mance

    Also the red viper is ANTONIO BANDERAS.

    it is known.

  • Langkard,

    He might be a bit short for Mance if they go by the book, and if they go for typecasting then he could do a good Tormund, as he often play those tough/angry/loud characters. But again, he’s a bit short for that role as well.

    I really want him in the show though!

  • Carne:
    Langkard,

    He might be a bit short for Mance if they go by the book, and if they go for typecasting then he could do a good Tormund, as he often play those tough/angry/loud characters. But again, he’s a bit short for that role as well.

    I really want him in the show though!

    Yeah, height isn’t as important as acting ability though. I actually thought he would make the perfect Dolorous Ed as his delivery is spot on for that type of dead pan humor.

    For Tormund, I really want Brian Cox, since I didn’t get my wish to have Cox as Craster. But Cox is another one of those actors who never stops working. He’s always about to start filming something somewhere. As Agamemnon in Troy, he just looked like Tormund to me.

    Which reminds me… I officially demand that the part of the Queen of Thorns be kept in the TV series and that said part be inhabited by the awesome Fionnula Flanagan!

  • Dee,

    you stole my thoughts: R. Sewell ( Zen canceled so it could be) or Ioan Gruffud.
    John Simm I truly love but I can´t imagine him as a Greyjoy.
    Let Robert Carlyle be Rumpelstiltskin.

  • Silvan:
    I really like Christopher Eccleston as Mance, but I really like him for everything.

    Chris would be perfect, he’s who I’ve always pictured when I read the books.

  • stephanso!:
    Christopher Eccleston for Mance!
    Christopher Eccleston for Mance!
    Christopher Eccleston for Mance!

    Also the red viper is ANTONIO BANDERAS.

    it is known.

    It is known.

  • I know noone will agree with me but I think Kevin McKidd would be an awesome Mance Rayder… For those that don’t know who he is, he played Lucius Vorenus in HBOs Rome.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kevin_McKidd

    He is just brings a toughass rockhard persona to the screen. I think his ruggedness and that persona would make an awesome Mance Rayder…

  • I agree with the person who said these actors seem a bit young for Mance.

    Wasn’t Eccleston rumoured for Stannis? It’s funny some see him as comedic because he was considered relentlessly intense and serious until he did Doctor Who. Anyhow … great actor and GoT would be lucky to get him for any role, but I think it’s a longshot sadly.

  • Oh wow, I didn’t see you guys already had a former HBO Rome cast member.

    James Purefoy, I actually stopped watching Camelot after that weak ass scene of him getting killed. He was the only reason I was watching it up until that point. He would be good at any role in GoTs.

    I think he would make an excellent Viper though. But that is for a future season I guess…

    But yeah James Purefoy is a gem for sure. If he lands a role playing anyone in GoTs that would be really, really good!

  • Shadowcat85: I’m going to throw out an older actor: Tim Roth

    I was just coming on here to propose him as well! He might not fit the exact description, but he has the swagger and charisma, and pure force of will to pull it off.

    Joshua Taylor: I suggested he might play Butterbumps in a 30 second scene.

    I think Nathan Fillion would be hilarious as Butterbumps!!! :D Nothing wrong with a good cameo.

  • My pick for Mance would be a British actor by the name of John Lynch, he looks the part very well and has done many other fantasy genre type rolls in his career before. IMHO Lynch is Mance Rayder, Google him. D&D need to get him!!

  • This is a good question.
    Okay, Jack Davenport, Gerard Butler, Daniel Day Lewis..
    Let’s see, I think Ian McShane would be awesome. The man can act.
    I mean who doesn’t love him in Deadwood.. Somebody with lots of hair..
    David Thewlis would be good..

  • msd,

    Yes, so was Richard Armitage and James Purefoy. I thought they were going to cast Purefoy. But, Stephen Dillon is a great pick., Too early to tell on something like this..

  • Ser vanderaa: You know there is another Mikkelson

    http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0586565/

    Mads older brother Lars who starred in the original Danish “the killing” or Forbrydelson.

    I loudly second that suggestion! He was brilliant in Forbrydelsen, playing a charismatic character with some darker edges, not too far from how I think Mance should be portrayed.
    I checked all of his IMDB entries, and so far he has only appeared in Danish (spoken) productions, so his English might be a problem? However, he does play in an Irish film that is to appear shortly (“What Richard Did”), so it might be the perfect time for him to garner some wider recognition as an actor, and what better place to achieve this than as a cast member of GoT ;-)

  • Rolph Spicer:
    please PLEASE stop with the nathan fillion suggestions.it’s entirely absurd. the guy can do a bit of comedy but he has zero presence and is laughable when it comes to anything remotely dramatic. i’d bet my daughter’s life he can’t do a british accent- dinklage and NCW can get away with this because of their immense talents, butfillion would be an absolute train wreck.

    i question the sanity of anyone who thinks he would even be in the running for such a great role. mance rayder is pivotal and the audience must believe in his charisma, power, and intelligence.the idea of putting fillion on this show is so stupid it makes the asinine suggestion of vin diesel seem borderline genius.

    i’d go so far as to say that if you think nathan fillion belongs on GOT, then you’re not a true fan and you’re barely a functioning human being.

    That was horrible. We’re speculating actors for a role and you come out with things like that? Who the hell are you to decide whether or not someone is a true fan or not?
    And btw, Nathan Fillion is a great actor with a memorable on-screen presence. No, he’s not Mance, IMO, but I’d happily see him on the show because on top of all that he’s a huge fan. That earns him a cameo at least.
    “i’d bet my daughter’s life he can’t do a british accent” what the hell? who even says that?
    The only “non functioning human being” I’m seeing here is you, Rolph Spicer. Don’t bring your rage here, ok? This is a nice place for nice people. Sheeesh.

  • Amarien,

    John Lynch, what a great suggestion! I’d love for that to happen. He kinda fits my mental image of the Blackfish also. That is if he ever makes it into the show.

    I think Ronan Vibert would make a good Mance, at least that’s who I’ve always pictured in that role while reading the books.

    Out of the ones mentioned in the main post, I’d say Mads Mikkelsen would be better fitted as Euron (though personally I’d choose his brother Lars Mikkelsen as the better actor), but then that part is already taken by Sebastian Koch in my mind. I need him in GoT like I need air. :)

  • Mads Mikkelsen is more fitting for Ramsay Bolton.
    But even though James Purefoy is and always will be my Jaime Lannister (his voice, his smirk – ugh), I am so desperate for him to be in the show that I am willing for him to be my Mance Rayder too.

  • Croccifixio,

    i always pictured Purefoy playing the Red Viper.

    Sold.

    I hadn’t thought of putting him in as the Red Viper before you mentioned it, but he would be PERFECT for it, imo.

  • Macha,

    Yeah he could work as Ser Brynden Tully for sure, Didn’t consider him for the Blackfish till you mentioned it. Plus, I think it would be cool to see John Lynch play the Knight at the Gate not to mention he seems more of the actor to play an outcast good guy such as the Blackfish. I’d be OK with him playing Mance or Brynden though.

  • As much as I like purefoy and mikk for the role and I believe that either of them could definitely pull the role off brilliantly, the man I would LOVE to see in the role is Viggo mortensen. his schedule from what I can see if clear and he has finished two projects. His portrayal as Aragorn was brilliant and he has the look that doesn’t suit a king and Mance isn’t the typical kingly look whereas Renly has got that look that suits a king. He can play several instruments and he can do several accents through LOTR and he can speak different languages, and I can see the chemistry between him and Jon working just the dynamics and trying to drum sense into the southern boy.
    I hope this does come true but if it doesn’t I suppose I can settle for purefoy or mikken guy.

  • Amarien,

    That’s a great realistic casting +1

    I was just looking what Nina’s been up to recently and in a TV series Coup she cast ours Sives (Jory) and Ineson (Cleftjaw) plus Mark Noble an actor that i actually remember from Borgias where he played an French general and he looks interesting for the part.

  • Handmaiden of Dany:
    Drfunk,

    I always thought of them as Spanish also. There are dark and light Spaniards after all.

    Spanish are white, as white as french, italians or greeks.

    Some spanish from the south are darker because they are more tanned, basically.

    Latins are darker because come from the mix of spanish/portuguese and the precolombian american natives, wich were dark skinned.

    I’ve always pictured ppl from Dorne as middle eastern and I think they’ll go with that look/feel in the show

    Unless they cut Dorne completely, wich I guess they could do.

  • My Dreamcast (although I foresee a future similar to the Sega one :P)

    Naveen Andrews–>Oberyn
    Viggo–>Mance
    Sewell–>Bolton
    The Mikkelsen Brothers–>The Greyjoy Brothers
    Bettany–>Edmure

  • Amarien:
    My pick for Mance would be a British actor by the name of John Lynch, he looks the part very well and has done many other fantasy genre type rolls in his career before. IMHO Lynch is Mance Rayder, Google him. D&D need to get him!!

    He does indeed look good for the part. Nice resumé too! I’ll vote for anyone who was in Red Dwarf, even if it was an uncredited role in only 3 episodes.

  • Except for Peter Wingfield and James Frain, these are all terrible suggestions.

    Mance has to plausibly be able to sneak into Winterfell unnoticed. He cannot be good-looking. Rufus Sewell and Ioan Gruffudd, excellent actors both, have never walked into a room unnoticed since they were children. Ditto Purefoy. Christopher Eccleston does an excellent northern and grim but Mance needs a twinkle. Ian McShane would be excellent in some ways if he were younger and more physical.

    More suggestions please.

  • Pau Soriano,

    Pau Soriano: Spanish are white, as white as french, italians or greeks.

    Some spanish from the south are darker because they are more tanned, basically.

    Latins are darker because come from the mix of spanish/portuguese and the precolombian american natives, wich were dark skinned.

    I’ve always pictured ppl from Dorne as middle eastern and I think they’ll go with that look/feel in the show

    Unless they cut Dorne completely, wich I guess they could do.

    Well, we could have both, given that Dorne is basically medieval Spain where the Reconquista failed, and the Moorish state remained in place. There are “stony” Dornish who are descended from Andals, and “salty” and “sandy” Dornish, descended from the Rhoynar invaders.

  • I pictured Mance to be a older than this, at least in his early fifties. Craster too for that matter.
    But if he is not that age, I believe, my country man, Mads Mikkelsen would be a perfect fit for Mance.

  • Please consider my Mace vote to be for Mads Mikkelsen. I think he definitely has the look and could come across as grisled.

    Save Purefoy (yes, like many of you I still want him on there) for one of the Iron Islanders or even Connington in the later seasons.

    Other than that no complaints on casting so far except that the illustrious Mr. Joe Campo hasn’t been cast in anything and he at the minimum deserves a supporting role.

  • James Purefoy for the win he is such a fantastic actor and needs to be in more better things, seeing as he hasn’t been really seen in anything awesome since Rome and the few episodes of Camelot

  • Lynn,

    Yup. I’ve worked in casting and my mind will go with “who is available” first. There is too much negotiation involved to try and get an actor who is already attached to another major project. Not that something can’t be worked out, but that’s usually very hard to accomplish.

  • Mirax,

    Thanks! I think the actor should be around Sean Bean’s age since the show has skewed older in the ages of the characters. And I 100% agree with what you said about Roth!

  • Okay… I don’t have the endurance to read ALL of these posts, but the person who suggested Robert Carlyle is a genius! I just picture him nailing that scene where Jon first meets Mance and mistakes his identity because he doesn’t look like a warrior.

  • And if not Mance, Rufus Sewell would also make a great Victarion, imo. Casting gods, if you’re reading …

  • With so many scenes in Iceland, will having British equity be less important for Mance?

    Because I was thinking… What about James Marsters? I can’t remember how his accent was, but he’s got the menace and the charm. And when I saw him on Caprica I wasn’t just thinking “OMG, Spike!” I actually think it might work.

    Still hoping for Dominic West, though.

  • Ray Stevenson as Mance. Dude is awesome in the King Arthur movie as well as Rome and has the acting chops to pull it off.
    Joel Edgerton is also a capable actor that can also be Mance.

  • Surprised I didn’t get more love for the Pierce Brosnan

    The guy can actually act as a bad ass (see Ghost Writer) Wears a beard well.

    He is doing Tv movies, so its not like he ‘d look down on HBO show.

    Imdb implies he is not already booked like almost all of these choices.

    Age is right to be another father figure to JS. Brosnan would cost more but without big battles cause the book is split in half, S3 should cost less

  • Idaan:
    Pau Soriano,

    Well, we could have both, given that Dorne is basically medieval Spain where the Reconquista failed, and the Moorish state remained in place. There are “stony” Dornish who are descended from Andals, and “salty” and “sandy” Dornish, descended from the Rhoynar invaders.

    Mmm the Reconquista never failed…it took a long time though ;)

    So you picture Dorne as the Al-Andalus? Yeah, I can see what you mean, but the landscape is more north-african to me…

    I definitelly could picture the Alhambra in Dorne though ;)

  • Why not Christopher Lambert or Adrian Paul (since somebody mentioned Highlander’s Peter Wingfield) for Mance? They’re both of a height to be able to “blend in” with a crowd when they wanted to, but Wingfield would be too tall for that. Lambert and Paul both look good with the long hair and scruffy look, and have the voices to be authoritative when needed to rally the troops.

  • Mark Dacascos as Oberyn Martell. Dude can throw down just like the Red Viper. Acting may be suspect, but Oberyn dies anyway. This would make for a good action seen between the mountain and the Red Viper.

  • Ours is the Fury:
    Drfunk,

    I don’t really want to get into a huge discussion about it at the moment, and I’m sure this will get delved into when the inevitable Oberyn casting post goes up, but the description of the Martells does not come across as white. There is room for discussion, are they Latin or south Asian or middle eastern or what, but George himself said he thought Janina Gavankar (from True Blood) would make a good Arianne. That tells me GRRM pictured the Dornish as not white.

    Granted, you said you’d rather not get into it, but it appears it might be a little too late for that now, so I’ll go ahead and add my two cents.

    I’ve always pictured the Martells as Latino/Mediterranean/Arab/North African in appearance. Not quite sub-Saharan African, but swarthy nonetheless. However, not all Dornishmen look the same. There are supposedly 3 types of Dornishmen, Salty, Sandy and Stony. From “A Wiki of Ice and Fire”:

    -Salty Dornishmen, live along the coasts, mainly along the Broken Arm region where the Red Mountains stretch out into the Sea of Dorne. These Dornishmen are lithe and dark, with smooth olive skin and long black hair. They are fishermen and sailors, hard men who sail the ships of the Dornish fleet.

    -Sandy Dornishmen, live in the deserts and the long river valleys, faces burned brown by the hot Dornish sun, they are even darker than the salty Dornishmen.

    -Stony Dornishmen, live in the passes and heights of the Red Mountains. They have the most Andal and First Men blood and mostly resemble the people of the seven kingdoms in look, customs and traditions. They are brown-haired or blond with faces that freckled or burned in the sun.

    So, I don’t think there necessarily is a “Dornish look”. It sounds like a rather cosmopolitan country, much like Iberian society (which was historically a mix of indigenous tribes and Phoenician, Celtic, Greek, Roman, Germanic, Berber, Arab, and sub-Saharan peoples). So, whereas I might cast someone a bit more tan for the role of Arianne Martell, I’d probably cast someone much more pale for the role of Lord Yronwood (not that he has a major role, but just as an example).

    As for Gavankar, she has more of an Eastern appearance than I pictured for Arianne (I was thinking more along the lines of Sofia Vergara… as I often do), but I’m not the mastermind behind all of this, so if GRRM says that’s what she looks like, that’s what she looks like. You’ll get no complaints from me.

  • Oh, I just thought of Thomas Ian Griffith, who’s the right age, is a total hottie, and can both sing AND fight…that would be cool for Mance, but he’s also 6’5″ so that might make him to conspicuous? I still think he’d be awesome!
    http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0001299/

  • Really like the Peter Wingfield suggestion mentioned earlier.

    I’d also suggest Rupert Graves http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0001291/
    i think he could pull off the role, shouldn’t be too expensive for the show as he’s mostly been on British tv shows for the last few years, he’s around 40, has greying brown hair, and at 5′ 11″ has enough height without completely dwarfing Kit.

  • I’d like to see James Purefoy just for the sheer joy of his talent! His turn as Marc Anthony in “ROME” was criminally underrated and ignored…Having not read that far ahead in the ASOIF saga I’m not sure what Mance Rayder is suppossed to look like hence I am not one to judge his looks and physical appearance when comparred with the character. Madds Mikelsen is a very interesting actor. If you haven’t seen “Valhalla”, you should. Watch the movie for a very odd (in a good way), unforgetabble and stirring performance in a very strange and weird movie!

    But in Nina Gold I trust!

  • loco73: But in Nina Gold I trust!

    +1! (it was about time that someone outed that famous line, almost 400 comments in this thread…)

  • I stand by my suggestion for Peter Wingfield as Mance assuming he could be lured away from med school (or at least be able to schedule shooting around it). He was easily the best actor on Highlander and a fan favorite character for a reason.

    But if not him, I like the idea of Robert Carlisle (if he can do it. He’s tied up with that fairy tale show).

    I love Ian McShane and would love to see him get a major role, but I just can’t place him in GoT. Either the role would be too small, or physically, he’s wrong for the role. He’s a tad on the short side and a little old. (Although he has a great voice and personality for Tormund Giantsbane)

    We don’t know how far they’ll push into book 3, so brace yourselves. It’s entirely possible they won’t even cast Oberyn for next season as maybe he won’t be needed. That said, Antonio Banderas was always my Oberyn. But guys like Oded Fehr, Naveen Andrews, or Alexander Siddig work for me too.

    Going to the pickings from “Rome,” I like Ray Stevenson for Tormund Giantsbane. James Purefoy is great in my eyes. I could see him as Victarion or Daario.

    For Ramsey, I’d love to see Neal McDonough. Just a shame he’s American so it’s not likely.

    Strong Belwas is the hardest for me to figure out. The best I’ve come up with so far (by appearance anyway) is Bob Sapp: http://www.imdb.com/media/rm3456535552/nm1452211

  • Eleanor: Lars, Oberyn has a 30-year-old daughter. Surely his age at a bare minimum should be Alexander Siddig’s 48?

    Obara (Oberyn’s eldest) is not important in the book series so far, and her age is even more trivial.

    As long as the Red Viper appears old enough to have fathered the Sand Snakes who are now young women and little girls (broadly defined), that’s the only thing important to the plot. So I say late 30s and up would be believable.

    HBO is free to reverse-age the character when casting the Red-Viper, just as they increased the age of the Stark family characters and of Dany, if it helps them get the right man for the job.

    Also, I see a lot GoT fans clamoring for Alexander Siddig as Oberyn, and I just don’t get it. He’s a decent actor, but he lacks the ferocity, wickedness, and overflowing machismo that I would associate with the Red Viper. I see Siddig as softer, more effete, more passive/intellectual and not manly. He’s more Doran than Oberyn (though Doran needs to look fat and unhealthy, which Siddig does not).

    Finally, it’s not going to be the end of the world if the person playing Oberyn is not “Middle Eastern-looking” or Mediterranean-looking.

    As long as it’s clear that he’s *exotic* and from a far corner of Westeros, they don’t need to bend over backwards conforming to the physical descriptions of the Dornish as set out of the book. For a man, being exotic could range from anything to being a blond with a thick accent to the darkest-skinned African, as long as he can *act* and embody Oberyn.

  • Puri: Oh, I just thought of Thomas Ian Griffith, who’s the right age, is a total hottie, and can both sing AND fight…that would be cool for Mance, but he’s also 6’5″ so that might make him to conspicuous? I still think he’d be awesome!http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0001299/

    BWAHAHAHAHAHAHA. Sorry to laugh at your suggestion, but the first thing I think of when I hear T.I.G’s name is his ridiculous turn as the evil sensei in the laughable Karate Kid Part III.

    But your idea is so kooky, it could work (though somehow I doubt he can do a good Brit/Scot accent)!

    Anyway, physically and persona-wise, I see Griffith of more of an Oberyn type. I think Mance is supposed to look more “ordinary,” despite his great strength and courage, no? Recall from Book 3 when Jon Snow is in Mance’s tent and doesn’t even realize which one of them is the king, because Rayder is not particularly physically imposing or impressive.

  • Winter Is Coming: Yeah, I remember him revealing he had auditioned a few times and that they really liked him. He may well be our Mance. But I was compiling some of the top fan suggestions and despite his rumored connection to the production, he wasn’t talked about too much.

    That’s fair enough! D&D could just as easily come up with someone totally left-field for him to play in S3 anyway, like erm…The Blackfish :D

  • I’ve been thinking about who I’d like to see portray some of the other characters coming up in season 3:

    Edmure Tully: James Frain http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0289656/

    Berric Dondarion: Tony Curran http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0192889/

    Brynden Tully: Timothy Dalton (his hair is white nowadays) http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0001096/

    Doran Martell: This is a tricky one, the Martells come across as Middle Eastern to me, but I couldn’t think of anyone who matches Doran’s description. A slightly tanned Ben Kingsley – http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0001426/ – is the closest I could get, with admittedly not a cigar in sight.

    Qyburn: Dexter Fletcher http://www.imdb.com/media/rm227260160/nm0002077

    Mace Tyrell: Tim McInnerny http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0570570/

    Wyman Manderly (in case he shows up in S3): Robbie Coltrane http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0001059/

    Ramsay Bolton: Rafe Spall http://www.imdb.com/name/nm1245863/
    Ben Whishaw http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0924210/

    Euron Greyjoy: Sean Pertwee http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0675730/

  • I picture Mance as older than most of these guys; around Jorah’s age, maybe. Tim Roth is an interesting idea.

    Basically, they’ve done a fantastic job of filling the cast with broadly unknown actors from British stage and TV, and I think they’ll do the same here.

  • So yesterday I sent a mail to the Icelandic actor Gudmundur Thorvaldsson (who someone mentioned here) telling him he would be a good choice for Mance, and he replied with:

    Thank you. I’m not sure if it’s going to happen, but fingers crossed.

    So I assume he already auditioned for the role. Maybe this is old news, though.

  • lol one time someone suggested Daniel Craig as Mance, and now I can’t unsee, even though he’s blonde and not really long-legged or lean. Nevertheless, he’s my Mance, for better or worse.

    I wouldn’t mind seeing Purefoy or Cusick in the role, though.

    Mads Mikkelsen, to me, is the ideal Victarion or Euron, depending on how they want to go with those characters. I personally see Euron as a bit younger/smoother-looking, but if they decide to make him rougher, Mads fits the bill.

  • Some options i haven’t seen yet (sorry if i missed them) for mance could be Jeffrey Dean Morgan or Mark Strong. Morgan definitely can pull off the wily veteren with subtle charm, and he looks old enough to be Mance if he can get the accent down. I also like Andrew Lincoln, but then again he’s probably way too tied up with the walking dead, but if not him, why not Jon Bernthal. His character just got killed off from the walking dead, he definitely has the whole bad ass with a bit of charm personality, although like Morgan I would be concerned about his accent. Mark Strong could be great in this show, though to be honest I always envisioned him as Stannis ever since seeing him in “Robin Hood”.

  • Of the four listed above I would prefer James Purefoy as Mance Rayder. I want to see Mikkelsen in the show as well, but I’d rather see him as Euron Greyjoy. If I remember correctly, Mance Rayder is supposed to be rather common-looking. While Purefoy is by no means plain (he’s actually quite handsome), I think he looks more like the Mance I imagined than Mads, who is truly unique-looking.

  • My preference would be Ian McShane. Tremendous actor who already has HBO experience playing Al Swearengen in Deadwood, a role in which he completely owned. Yes, he’s significantly older than Mance in the books, but I don’t see how that matters at all to the character. Mance doesn’t need to be young any more than Sallador Saan or Xaro need to be white.

  • actually come to think of it, Mark Strong would fit in nicely as the Magnar of Thenn, since he’s a little too intimidating to be Mance.

  • I’ve always pictured Mance as a canny man. The idea of Robson Green popped into my head today. He was good in the UK Being Human. Plus his mate is on the show ;) Mance could sing Unchained Melody ;). Seriously though, I think Robson would be good.

  • The Kingslayer,

    Basically I want to see most of the major actors from Rome come to Game Of Thrones.

    Well said, I think most people who have watched HBO’s Rome would agree.

    If you think about it, Rome kind of paved the way for a lot of sword and sandal series like GoTs. Rome was such a great series and the complicated characters, family power struggles, and the different locations involved in the series mirror that of the GoTs series. Of course GoTs has a much wider range and more complex storyline then Rome but you can clearly see the similarities. Up until GoTs, Rome has been my families favorite TV series. When HBO ended it, like many of you, we were really disappointed.

    I feel like GoTs filled the void Rome left and also added in some fantasy elements. So we basically get the new and improved Rome, with a little fantasy stuff thrown in to make it even more interesting. Nice job HBO. Good deal!!!

    It would only be fitting if some of those, to steal Lena’s term, “fucking brilliant”, actors from Rome would come join the GoTs cast.

  • Nina really needs to hire one or two really hot actors who are willing to do full on nudity/sex. My niece and her friends who are avid TB fans stopped watching GoT because they were not showing the hot guys like Richard, Kit and especially NCW naked (have to wait and see if this changes for season 3).
    When it comes down to it, apparently that extra million viewers for TB are 18-35 year old women who want to admire naked studs.
    So I say Nina should find the actor that this age range wants to see get down and dirty and hire him for Mance’s role. We get our Mance and the TB hot and bothered women get their man and start watching, furthermore HBO receives a really big boost in their viewership for GoT.
    I might add these girls all bought the BR box sets of TB, so there is added reasoning for HBO, which is more money.

  • never heard of Mads Mikkelsen before but he defo has mance ryder looks, he gets my vote. as much as i love the other guys they don’t really strike me as king beyond the wall.

    but i’d love to see them all in GoT tbh ;p

    and yes, anyone from ‘Rome’ is welcome in GoT as far as i’m concerned too;p

  • tysnow,

    D&D just need to shoot some hot and sexy erotic scenes of Robb with Jeyne. Stop showing whores having sex, women viewers get nothing out of that but possible feelings of disgust or being offended. In other words, get rid of Ros and throw in some erotic sexual scenes that women can also enjoy.

    Give the female viewer Jon with Ygritte, Robb with Jeyne, even Renly with Margaery. Enough of this whore crap that noone wants to see…

  • Arthur,

    I completely agree. Whenever people say Game Of Thrones is like The Sopranos in Middle Earth I get annoyed because it’s clearly more similar to Rome.

  • Arthur,

    I agree whole heartedly, D&D need to start showing hot and steamy sex between guys and gals and not brothels and Theon with his whores. Hopefully that will change, if we don’t get this with Robb/Jeyne, Jon/Ygritte and eventually Cersei/Jaime, I will be pissed, because I would rather see steamy hetero sex (cloths off) than brothel scenes and GoT would gain viewers, because 99% would rather see that kind of sex.

  • It’ll be interesting to see how they show Ygritte and Jon’s relationship, from what I recall things got pretty graphic between them, Yrgitte was one filthy Wildling :-)

  • tysnow,

    D&D are very smart writers/producers. I have total faith that they look back and evaluate constructive criticism and maybe they will agree they should have taking a different path with the sex scenes. Remember any continuous TV series is always evolving. I love GoTs, I am not a purist or someone who gets offended. I just happen to be able to see what may leave many female viewers with a bad impression.

    I am just praying Ros is killed and the sex scenes to follow will be ones where the female viewer will be left drooling for more.

  • The Kingslayer,

    It’ll be interesting to see

    Yeah, I can’t wait to see that come to life on screen!

    She basically forces sex on him while they are sleeping together in the same sleeping bag so the other wildlings wont suspect anything and that he has become one of them in all aspects. I remember after though, Jon gets whipped pretty hard on her. If D&D do this right. That should give all the women some good viewing… After all, wouldn’t a lot of them like a shot at having Jon Snow stuck in a sleeping bag with them, imagining what they would do to him… =)

  • General reminder, everyone: please use SPOILER code if you are discussing relationships that have not happened on the show yet!

    Arthur: Stop showing whores having sex, women viewers get nothing out of that but possible feelings of disgust or being offended. In other words, get rid of Ros and throw in some erotic sexual scenes that women can also enjoy.

    Incorrect. I’m a woman and that is not how I feel.

  • Ours is the Fury,

    Sorry about that! That’s cool that you liked women in brothel scenes being used like whores. Most of the female fans I know either didn’t like them at all or didn’t care about them.

    Question: Is WiC looking into making a smartphone app for this site?

  • Ours is the Fury,

    Funny, I’m more offended by your phrasing than I ever have been by any scene in GoT.

    You weren’t aware that those were whores in a brothel?

    Also, if you read my actual statement, which is “Stop showing whores having sex, women viewers get nothing out of that but POSSIBLE feelings of disgust or being offended”

    I didn’t say all women get offended, I said they possibly offend women. I just stated women get nothing out of seeing a whore being used. Now if thats a scene that you like seeing, I am not here to judge you. We all have our likes and dislikes. To each their own… I am not trying to offend you.

  • Katie: I actually always saw Alexander Siddig (http://imdb.to/nyzOh ) as Oberyn. I saw him in the Director’s Cut of Kingdom of Heaven and thought he was great. Admittedly that part was a LOT more subtle than the Red Viper,lol, but he’s got such a great presence. I’d love to see him in the series.

    That is an amazing choice, actually. He looks great!

  • Attempting to speak on behalf of all women, especially when you’re male, it’s not likely to win you any points, Arthur.

  • Pau Soriano

    I definitelly could picture the Alhambra in Dorne though ;)

    I think of the Alhambra with lots of pools as the vacation place of the Water Gardens. For the palace in Sunspear, I think of it as being a mix of the Alcázar in Sevilla and the Great Mosque of Cordoba.

    As for the look of Spaniards, it varies as much as the country itself does. My mother’s father was from Sevilla, he was 6′ 2″ tall with icy-blue eyes and blonde hair, until it went all white. My mother’s mother was short and tan and from Granada, with lots of Moorish and Gypsy blood.

  • Ours is the Fury,

    Attempting to speak on behalf of all women, especially when you’re male, it’s not likely to win you any points, Arthur.

    Trying to put words in my mouth will only fool the blind. I was not attempting on speaking on behalf of all women, as my comment above illustrates. The word “possible”, means just that.

    It is possible that those scenes offend women, you can’t agree with that? Or even see the chance of a women getting sick of the constant use of whore sex scenes as oppossed to ones where there is a mutual affection?

  • I’m certain there are women who are offended by those scenes. I’m certain there are men who are offended by those scenes. But you made a blanket statement: “women viewers get nothing out of that but possible feelings of disgust or being offended.” It was not correct.

    Amd the fact that you only refer to them as whores, repeatedly, is something else worth thinking about.

  • Ours is the Fury,

    Amd the fact that you only refer to them as whores, repeatedly, is something else worth thinking about.

    Because that is what they are? What is there to think about? A women who works in a brothel and gets paid to have sex is a….. I won’t say it, don’t worry. Sorry if it bothers you. I say it a lot so people see the point of what kind a sex scenes we are dealing with here. Meaningless ones.

    I see you point about the “blanket statement” I did not mean it as one, I did use the word “possibly” to NOT make it a blanket statement but maybe it didn’t work so good because it is easy to miss.

    My point was, those sex scenes maybe do a little to stimulate the male viewer but probably does nothing to the vast majority of women viewers as far as stimulation goes…

  • Conor: Hugh Laurie for Mance!

    And he plays the guitar. There’s only a couple of well-known British actors who play the guitar. Only one of them is Hugh Laurie.

    Now, since the off-topic seems weirdly on-topic, how many actresses can you think of that have won Oscars by playing prostitutes? The list includes Donna Reed, Elizabeth Taylor, and Shirley Jones! Granted, they weren’t HBO prostitutes, but nobody’s perfect. :-)

  • John Lynch is a great pick. He’s Irish, not British, though (just saying). He’s a very fine actor. Not especially well known to the general public but well respected with a solid body of work behind him. He had a small role in Bleak House too, which is how D&D got the idea of casting Charles Dance as Tywin. So at least we know they’ve seen some of his work!

    (Not sure he’d be right as Mance but it’d be good to have him in GoT)

  • Hmm, I’m debating making some popcorn for this thread, because it took an interesting turn :)

    I’m with some of the other people who think Viggo Mortenson for Mance, but I’m going to guess there’s no way it would ever happen. Another splendid choice brought up was Jason Isaacs, but it’s hard to say if he’d even be available. I know I’m enjoying “Awake,” but I’ve heard it just doesn’t get a lot of viewers…if it gets canned, maybe he’ll throw his hat in?

    I don’t get the Purefoy love…he’s alright I suppose, but alot of people are downright enamored with him. Karl Urban is great in LoTR and Star Trek, but I don’t think he has the gravitas to pull off Mance. I understand every actor gets parts that aren’t their best, but in Chronicles of Riddick and Bourne Supremacy, he was totally meh. I’m a sucker for Cusick due to being a huge Lost fanatic, and I think he’d be a great Mance, but I just don’t see that happening. I can’t comment on Mikkelson; I’ve only seen him in Casino Royale and that King Arthur film with Clive Owen. Who knows…but the thing to remember here is:

    In Nina Gold we trust!

  • Joshua Taylor,

    I watched that whole link of James Purefoy that you posted and I am utterly positive if he joins the GoTs cast it will be a huge blessing. He is freaking awesome! Oh how I miss him in Rome…

    He would be awesome as the Red Viper…

  • MATTHEW: BWAHAHAHAHAHAHA.Sorry to laugh at your suggestion, but the first thing I think of when I hear T.I.G’s name is his ridiculous turn as the evil sensei in the laughable Karate Kid Part III.

    But your idea is so kooky, it could work (though somehow I doubt he can do a good Brit/Scot accent)!

    Anyway, physically and persona-wise, I see Griffith of more of an Oberyn type.I think Mance is supposed to look more “ordinary,” despite his great strength and courage, no?Recall from Book 3 when Jon Snow is in Mance’s tent and doesn’t even realize which one of them is the king, because Rayder is not particularly physically imposing or impressive.

    I like watching action movies in addition to many other genres, so I have a slightly different frame of reference than that of many who are posting here. Thinking outside the box has made for many interesting and memorable casting choices in the past. If Peter Dinklage, another American and from New Jersey, can do a passable British accent, I don’t see why Thomas Ian Griffith couldn’t. Most actors are flexible with accents. Karate Kid 3 wasn’t his best work, but if you’re not an action movie fan you wouldn’t know his other work. I did see several of his films years back, and remembered his acting as sound and his fighting scenes as believable. I always thought he appeared to have the talent to do much more. With a musical theatre background as well, he’d be an awesome Mance. I can also see why you’d see him as the Red Viper, as he’d have the stature to not look ridiculous fighting larger opponents (don’t want to mention plot points). Point taken about Mance being described as not physically impressive, but he was also described as sitting on the floor playing his music in his tent if memory serves so height wouldn’t be the only factor in that scene. It appears that physical descriptions aren’t being religiously adhered to in the HBO versions, which has worked out OK so far. I would bet that Mance may already be chosen by now, but it’s fun to chime in with ideas here, I’m seeing many new names I’ve never heard of and that’s cool. What isn’t cool is mocking somebody else’s suggestions. The world, and indeed comment threads, would be a better place if we treated each other and each other’s ideas with a modicum of respect.

    Somebody else made mention of casting for Strong Belwas, and in keeping with my ideas of action stars who would be cool in GOT, I submit for your consideration Sammo Hung, the amazingly flexible Hong Kong action star who is of a large build but moves like the wind. He’s in quite a few movies with Jackie Chan, as they grew up in the Peking Opera House School together. He was also in his own US TV series years back called Martial Law (if memory serves). Sammo Hung for Strong Belwas, a natural.

  • Joshua Taylor:
    Why James Purefoy is awesome….http://youtu.be/bJvAHMtN04c

    plus http://youtu.be/y8B5jSLaAPA

    And that is why he is perfect for Game of Thrones. Mance, Red Viper, Jon Connington whomever they choose for him to play he will be awesome.

    Fair enough…he’d be good in the ASoIaF/GoT universe…this much I agree. I think he’d be a great Connington…but no way he’d be a good Mance. I know, I know, blasphemy to some people, but I just don’t see it. Props to HBO if it happens and I’m proven wrong. For Red Viper? Ehhh…this is just my mind on it’s own, but I imagined Dornish folk looking a little different. To each their own tho!

  • Joshua Taylor,

    Also…http://youtu.be/tZ63VnQei-k

    and http://youtu.be/UOTCCj-PJ80

    not to mention http://youtu.be/TvbiC634Pb0

    more James Purefoy awesomeness.

    Nice… Yeah man, I think he would be better suited to play a more interactive character role. I can see him going to Kings Landing with the Red Vipers attitude and really mentally pumping down some of the King’s Landing characters. For that reason I hope he doesn’t get the role as Craster and instead gets the Role as the Red Viper in a future season.

    Would love to hear him talk down to Tyrion and tell him the story of when he and his sister went to Casterly Rock to see him as the rumored baby monster and how his sister twisted his infant penis. Also, would love to see him use Tyrion as a pawn and fight as his champion. Just to be able to see James Purefoy totally fuck with all the small council and Kings Landing characters would be epic in and by itself.

    He would be doing some total ownage on them and bring the Red Viper to life in such a way only he could…

  • Arthur:
    Joshua Taylor,

    Nice… Yeah man, I think he would be better suited to play a more interactive character role.I can see him going to Kings Landing with the Red Vipers attitude and really mentally pumping down some of the King’s Landing characters.For that reason I hope he doesn’t get the role as Mance and instead gets the Role as the Red Viper in a future season.

    Would love to hear him talk down to Tyrion and tell him the story of when he and his sister went to Casterly Rock to see him as the rumored baby monster and how his sister twisted his infant penis.Also, would love to see him use Tyrion as a pawn and fight as his champion.Just to be able to see James Purefoy totally fuck with all the small council and Kings Landing characters would be epic in and by itself.

    He would be doing some total ownage on them and bring the Red Viper to life in such a way only he could…

    Fixed that for ya friendo!

  • Arthur,

    It’s nice to see a point of discussion actually being discussed instead of being polarized and ending in name-calling!

    I agree with you, Arthur, in the fact that GoT needs more ‘love scenes’ instead of brothel scenes. By far the best nude scene so far was that between Doreah and Viserys. Even if that was far away from a normal romantic sex scene, it was by far the one with the most feeling. (the later Drogo/Dany scenes should have been on here as well but I didn’t find them quite as naturally acted as the D/V bath scene) Anyway, I am male and I DO get annoyed by the porn style sex scenes – bring on the romance! :-)

  • Joshua Taylor: more James Purefoy awesomeness.

    To me it looks like he’s good at playing a very condescending person, which I don’t think Mance should be. Maybe it’s ok for the Red Viper, although I always imagined him to be more humorous. Of course that’s just based on the Marc Anthony character, so are there any other parts in which Purefoy played roles that are relevent to GoT characters? (yes, I’m asking you to share more links out of lazyness ;)

  • Tar Kidho,

    Yeah that’s all I was trying to say. That I wish there was an emotional meaning behind the sex scenes, something meaningful and erotic. Getting sick of the Ros/brothel scenes. You know?

    And yeah James Purefoy plays a great condescending character. To me that’s what the Red Viper is all about. He is hellbent on avenging his sister and talks down directly to the faces of the Lannisters. That’s why he IMO would be so badass playing the Red Viper because he can just ride into Kings Landing and start punking them all…

  • Tar Kidho,

    The only other role I saw Purefoy in was A Knight’s Tale, where he had a small but awesome role as Edward the Black Prince . He is probably better suited to a “smug a-hole” kind of role (Red Viper? Euron Greyjoy?) but IMO he’s also roguishly likable enough to work as Mance.

  • Tar Kidho,

    If you’ve seen John Carter, Purefoy plays a swashbuckling character and is a lot of fun and adventurous. Also Solomon Kane. His Knight’s Tale role is good too. He is also very good in Vanity Fair, in fact he’s the best part of that abortion of a film.

    And then there’s this great scene,..with a very familiar face!…in which he is very vulnerable and noble at the same time. http://youtu.be/S5r1EgPFb34

  • These would be my choices:

    Strong Belwas: http://www.fiveknuckles.com/mma-fighter/Teila-Tuli.html (the guy from hawaii five o) He’s got the build and used to be a former mma fighter, which works even well for his stunt scenes.

    Mance Rayder: http://www.menonwallpapers.com/viggo-mortensen/1.html He’s arguably one of the most underrated actors out there. Nevermind the LOTR connection, his range is evident from his films. Mance is a really hard role to nail properly, you need someone who can be charming and turn into a vicious killer at a moment’s notice.

    Tormund Giantsbane: http://www.moviefanatic.com/2010/11/ron-perlman-says-no-to-the-hobbit/ He’s definitely interested in GoT, not sure if he’s available.

    Val: http://www.ouchpress.com/yvonne-strahovski/images/361252.html She’s super hot and fun in Chuck

    Queen of Thorns: http://geektyrant.com/news/2010/12/29/judi-dench-cast-in-clint-eastwoods-j-edgar.html Long shot but if D&D can somehow land this legend, she’d kill the role.

    Doran Martell: http://www.buddytv.com/articles/rome/profile/ciaran-hinds.aspx The awesome Ceasar for the Prince of Dorne!

    Oberyn Martell: http://vero89.altervista.org/marcusantonius/about.htm Oberyn = Mark Anthony. Seriously, let’s forget the whole ethnicity debate for a second (and for the record there’s enough “distinct” dornish types that D&D could cast any race for them). If anyone has watched Purefoy as Anthony then you’d know that he has:

    1. Charisma
    2. Swag
    3. Lurking violence

    He’s how the Viper should be played as, add in that he’s tall and handsome is just added bonus.

  • These would be my choices:

    Strong Belwas: Teila Tuli (the guy from hawaii five o) he’s got the build and used to be a former mma fighter, which works even well for his stunt scenes.

    Mance Rayder: Viggo Mortensen he’s arguably one of the most underrated actors out there. Nevermind the LOTR connection, his range is evident from his films. Mance is a really hard role to nail properly, you need someone who can be charming and turn into a vicious killer at a moment’s notice.

    Tormund Giantsbane: Ron Pearlman he’s definitely interested in GoT, not sure if he’s available.

    Val: Yvonne Strahovski She’s pretty awesome in Chuck and sizzling hot.

    Queen of Thorns: Judy Dench long shot but if D&D can somehow land this legend, she’d kill the role.

    Doran Martell: Ciaran Hinds the awesome Ceasar for the Prince of Dorne!

    Oberyn Martell: James Purefoy seriously, let’s forget the whole ethnicity debate for a second (and for the record there’s enough “distinct” dornish types that D&D could cast any race for them). If anyone has watched Purefoy as Anthony then you’d know that he has:

    1. Charisma
    2. Swag
    3. Lurking violence

    He’s how the Viper should be played as, add in that he’s tall and handsome is just added bonus.

  • Drfunk,

    Tormund Giantsbane: Ron Pearlman he’s definitely interested in GoT, not sure if he’s available.

    Dude!!! You hit that nail right on the head. I also remember reading Pearlman wanted a GoTs part. And Tormund would be the PERFECT role for him!

    You are awesome for thinking of this!

  • I don’t have much, yet, but Stronghold Snake is exactly how I imagined Euron. But as far as the casting goes, I think Tony Curran would fit best, considering what they did with the rest of the Greyjoys. Not sure about Victarion, tho … and neither about Mance.

  • Drfunk

    Great list, I like the idea of Ciaran and James together again…see John Carter if you can because Ciaran plays the King and James his captain of the guard!

    I bang this drum endlessly but my ideal Queen of Thorns is Sian Philips.

    As for Val, I always imagined a more rugged, tough unconventional beauty so my pick for Val is Anna Torv an Australian actress who is also a Game of Thrones fan to boot:http://youtu.be/_ZS45qIvGF8

    As for Viggo, he is awesome. But underrated? His Oscar nominations aside, he is one of the most well known talented actors today.

  • I really hope James Purefoy doesn’t get casted as Mance. IMO that would be a huge waste… Mance doesn’t have enough interactions with other major players to really showcase Purefoy’s acting talents.

    I want to see James Purefoy as the Red Viper in Kings Landing. Going toe to toe with Tyrion and the other Lannisters, the small council and whoever else gets in his way. I am really excited now, hope eventually we get to see Purefoy in the series.

  • Arthur,

    I am sure if he is cast as Mance he will nail the role. But I too have always thought of him as one of my three choices for Oberyn Martell.

    Even if his new series is a success, Purefoy only will only have to do 3 or 4 episodes at the most.

  • Arthur:
    Drfunk,

    Dude!!!You hit that nail right on the head.I also remember reading Pearlman wanted a GoTs part.And Tormund would be the PERFECT role for him!

    You are awesome for thinking of this!

    That would be like having my birthday and Christmas all at once!!!! I love Pearlman and would love to see him in GoT!!! He’d slay Tormund!!!! He’s PERFECT for the part!!!

    Someone suggested Peter McCauley for Mance, and I honestly can see him! If I can’t have Robert Carlyle, who’s Mance in my head, I’ll be satisfied with Peter McCauley! And he won’t be needed in Spartacus anymore ;)

  • Carne:
    So yesterday I sent a mail to the Icelandic actor Gudmundur Thorvaldsson (who someone mentioned here) telling him he would be a good choice for Mance, and he replied with:

    Thank you. I’m not sure if it’s going to happen, but fingers crossed.

    So I assume he already auditioned for the role. Maybe this is old news, though.

    Well that’s fairly positive – seems he knows he’s in the shake-up!

  • Drfunk:

    Strong Belwas: Teila Tuli (the guy from hawaii five o) he’s got the build and used to be a former mma fighter, which works even well for his stunt scenes.

    WOW! He’s perfect. Someone please call his agent.

    Drfunk:
    Oberyn Martell: James Purefoy seriously, let’s forget the whole ethnicity debate for a second (and for the record there’s enough “distinct” dornish types that D&D could cast any race for them). If anyone has watched Purefoy as Anthony then you’d know that he has:
    1. Charisma
    2. Swag
    3. Lurking violence
    He’s how the Viper should be played as, add in that he’s tall and handsome is just added bonus.

    I agree 100% on your criteria for how they should chose Oberyn (he needs to be dangerous, masculine, swaggering–in other words NOT Alexander Siddig) and that ethnicity is not important as long as he seems exotic somehow (funny accent, etc.). However, I disagree with your Purefoy conclusion. I just don’t think he’s a very good actor. Easy on the eyes, though.

  • Puri: What isn’t cool is mocking somebody else’s suggestions. The world, and indeed comment threads, would be a better place if we treated each other and each other’s ideas with a modicum of respect.

    Sorry about that. Didn’t mean to mock you; was mostly mocking Griffith because KK3 was such a silly movie.

  • here’s a cool idea… JOANNA NEWSOM as Bethany Fair-Fingers.

    I always wanted her to appear in Game of Thrones. How cool would it be if they had her write melodies and harplines for all the cool songs that appear in the books like “The Bear and the Maiden Fair,” “The Dornishman’s Wife,” “The Rains of Castamere,” etc.

    If you’re not familiar with Newsom check out any of her songs from her first two albums, The Milk-Eyed Mender and Ys.

    Just to give you an idea of her talent and her sound, here is a song she already wrote about a bear:

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OOxAneYR4bw

    My idea is that for Joffrey’s wedding they get rid of the 7 singers (Hamish the harper, etc) and just have Bethany Fair-Fingers. I wonder if someone’s asked her to be involved already.

    She seems like she’s “too cool for school” so she would probably say no… but still, it’s a fun idea.

  • Drfunk: Queen of Thorns: Judy Dench long shot but if D&D can somehow land this legend, she’d kill the role.

    Hopefully, GoT will get enough cult so the heavy hitters will want to take small parts. Entourage’s 8 seasons saw a huge number of guest stars –The Dame wasn’t one of the them :-( . Granted, the show was about Hollywood, but my point is HBO gets guest stars when the acting community likes the show.

    Trivia: What GoT star appeared as a guest star on Entourage?
    Answer: see here

  • Joshua Taylor,

    Yeah, I’ll definitely check that movie out thx! As for Viggo, i meant that the casual fan might just associate him as a bandwagon pick due to his LOTR connection. The underrated aspect was for all the lesser known films he’s done that a lot may not have seen. He’s just awesome.

    Anna Torv is phenomenal, the only problem is she’s one of the main leads of Fringe and pretty sure she’s not available. I only mentioned Yvonne Strahovski because Chuck ended, so she might be free (if Val even makes the cut).

  • Eba

    Langkard: I think of the Alhambra with lots of pools as the vacation place of the Water Gardens.For the palace in Sunspear, I think of it as being a mix of the Alcázar in Sevilla and the Great Mosque of Cordoba.

    As for the look of Spaniards, it varies as much as the country itself does.My mother’s father was from Sevilla, he was 6′ 2″ tall with icy-blue eyes and blonde hair, until it went all white.My mother’s mother was short and tan and from Granada, with lots of Moorish and Gypsy blood.

    I’m from there so i can tell ;)

    Andalucia is a bit different from the rest of Spain though, because the moors were there the longest (more than 7 centuries, whereas Barcelona was never conquered for ex) and the gypsies also have more presence there that anywere else in the state

  • I have thought long and hard concerning the Red Viper and here are the points.
    1. Actor around 50
    2. Extremely charismatic
    3. Appears constantly 0n most of the best actors and most beautiful people lists
    4. Talented (of course)
    5. The role is not overly large (5-6 episodes) hence a BIG name
    6. Actor can do Mediterranean

    Would garner a huge fan base of viewers

    I give you our Oberyn Martell none other than the man JD himself.

    HBO would be smart and cast this, it would lead to an influx of big names for small parts.

  • As for Purefoy, save him for Victarion, as the role is being merged with Aeron’s name (Euron, Theon) since the priest baptizing Theon is a bit part.
    Purefoy matches Vic’s personality and the role carries for at least 3 – 4 seasons.

    I really like that Icelandic actor for Mance, he definitely looks the part, and since Iceland was kind enough to let GoT film there, give a role to one of their bigger actors.

    Mads must play Euron Greyjoy, period, end of sentence.

    Cillian Murphy for Ramsey, it is known.

  • There are five male actors who i think would fit in well with the background of westeros….

    1. Colm Wilkinson (see him in tudors…aweeeesooome)
    2. Bernard Hill (a know lotr connection again, but he’s cool)
    3. Brian Cox (cmon, just cmon)
    4. Dominic West (mance baby)
    5. Ian McShane

    i dont really care who they play just let them live in westeros!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

  • female actors in westeros

    1. Vanessa Redgrave (queen of thorns)
    2. Sarah Bolger (meera reed)
    3. Ruth Negga (Quaithe..or arianne/or sandsnake)
    4. Sophia Myles
    5. Gugu Mbatha-Raw

    love them alllllll!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

  • As much as I love Ron Perlman I just can’t picture him as Giantsbane, they need someone with a good Northern English accent IMO.

  • I like that idea of Sarah Bolger for Meera, good one.

    Also a big spoiler that we hoped for will happen in tonights episode WE GET A THREE WAY UNDER RENLY’s TENT…. Woot!

    Per a release over on AICN

  • I kind of asked this question before…

    Does anyone have any idea when D&D will annouce what new characters they will be casting for season 3? Or is it a one at a time casting announcment?

    I have have been so anxious since HBO green lighted season 3 to find out what characters from the books will get to live in the TV series.

  • Some great suggestions for lots of different characters in here, I especially like the suggestions for Meera and Strong Belwas.

    Although a long way down road, I can’t imagine anyone other than Kiruna Stamell for Penny.

  • The more I think about Purefoy as Mance, the more I like the idea…and Kevin McKidd as Beric Dondarrion (though Jason Flemyng would be great for the part, too – he already played so many parts in make-up/prosthetics, that he surely would´t mind being zombified).

    (and hello everybody, long-time lurker but first-time poster here)

  • Harry Ian Cuisak… Desmond… candidate… har.
    I don’t really see any of those guys as Mance myself.
    Although I can see Mikkelsen as Euron Crow’s Eye and Purefoy as Victarion.

  • Mike Chair: Hopefully, GoT will get enough cult so the heavy hitters will want to take small parts.Entourage’s 8 seasons saw a huge number of guest stars –The Dame wasn’t one of the them :-(.Granted, the show was about Hollywood, but my point is HBO gets guest stars when the acting community likes the show.

    Trivia: What GoT star appeared as a guest star on Entourage?
    Answer: see here

    Entourage had the nice advantage of being in LA. It’s easier to get cameos when the travel time is an hour.

    As for Anna Torv, from everything I’ve read, Fringe is pretty much done. Wouldn’t be my pick and doubt she will be HBO’s, but I think she’ll be free.

  • They can easily cut Jojen, but we need and want Meera, afterall Bran requires his teen love angst.

  • caoimay,

    didn´t know McKidd was still on GA! The last I heard of him he was rumoured to be in that Highlander remake.

    Was there an actor cast as Beric in season one or was he just a stand in? Don´t remember that. Like you said, you never know if the guy is actually great and might return…but I wouldn´t put ist past the team to re-cast him either, like they did with the trio from the Black Cells :). (and so far, I think Tom Wlaschiha is ace as Jaqen)

  • Hell yes to Ciaran Hinds as Doran Martell. If you’ve seen him as Caesar, he makes perfect sense as both characters hide their condition (epilepsy for Caesar, gout for Doran) so as not to appear weak, and have an almost tyrannic method of control

  • tysnow,

    They can easily cut Jojen, but we need and want Meera, afterall Bran requires his teen love angst.

    Just make sure you mean “puppylove” or “crush”, because I have said things like you have before and caught a lot of grief about it. Seems a lot of posters don’t understand we mean that “grade school” type love. Know what I mean?

  • tysnow,

    I like your other suggestions (spot with Cillian Murphy as the Ramsay) but I just can’t see JD as Oberyn. Maybe its just me or maybe I haven’t seen enough of his work, but while he’s definitely charismatic, and can toy with people like we would want to see with Oberyn, I just don’t get that overall sense of an underlying threat of violence from JD that I do with Purefoy (although I also think Purefoy would be a good Victarion) which I think is kind of critical for Oberyn’s character.

  • Arthur:
    What Rough Beast,

    James Purefoy and Kevin McKidd what be awesome additions to the GoTs cast and would really up the ante of the acting quality for the entire show.

    Hell, yeah. I´d kinda spontanously self combust with sheer fannish glee if they´d actually be cast on the show..c´mon, three time´s the charm, after appearing together in Bedrooms&Hallways and Rome…

  • Alan: Entourage had the nice advantage of being in LA. It’s easier to get cameos when the travel time is an hour.

    True. Of course, Mark Wahlberg on GoT would be silly: “Hey, Joffrey, say ‘hi’ to your mother for me.” Gary Busey would be sillier: “You know, Littlefinger, ‘WHORE’ stands for “Woman Hiring Out Reproductive Entrance.”

    But our Queen of Thorns hopeful, Dame Judith Olivia “Judi” Dench, CH, DBE, FRSA, lives in York, England, I believe.

  • caoimay:
    There are five male actors who i think would fit in well with the background of westeros….

    1. Colm Wilkinson(see him in tudors…aweeeesooome)
    2. Bernard Hill(a know lotr connection again, but he’s cool)
    3. Brian Cox (cmon, just cmon)
    4. Dominic West(mance baby)
    5. Ian McShane

    i dont really care who they play just let them live in westeros!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    OMG!!!! I love Brian Cox, they HAVE to find a role for him.

    Have him put on a few pounds and he would make an excellent Wyman Manderly.

    Or maybe he could be the “Kindly Man” in the temple of the Many-Faced God at Braavos.

  • Mads Mikkelsen comes closest to how I imagined Mance Rayder would look like. A “Northern” rugged look, someone who could be a charismatic leader, but still have soft moments (i.e. could pull off playing a delicate musical instrument). James Purefoy(!) or Henry Ian Cusick could be candidates for the Red Viper (who for me, is dark and just oozing with sex appeal).

  • Macha: And NOT have Ian McNeice as Manderley?! Come on…. ;)

    yeah, he would be great!

    McNeice, as you may already know, played Illyrio in the original pilot, but he–along with several more notable characters (Dany, Catlin)–was recast. Here’s a picture of him as Illyrio.

    http://gameofthrones.wikia.com/wiki/File:Ian_McNeice_as_Illyrio.jpg

    Hopefully there’s no bad blood between him and HBO over the recasting of Illyrio. If there is, he might bake David and Dan in a meat pie :-D

  • MATTHEW,

    Yeah, it was that bit of casting (in the pilot) that brought him to my attention. I remembered noticing him in Rome and other TV shows, he’s brilliant. I actually read ADwD with him in mind, so I’d love to see him attached to the show again.
    And yes, Brian Cox would be wonderfull as…well,pretty much anyone!

  • MATTHEW: Sorry about that.Didn’t mean to mock you; was mostly mocking Griffith because KK3 was such a silly movie.

    Thanks Mathhew, I agreed that KK3 wasn’t great, but check out some of his other movies and you might see where he could be both charming/charismatic and dangerous/deadly at the same time, which would work for Mance regardless of other physical aspects (height, etc.). If I were a wildling, I would totally follow Thomas Ian Griffith (giggle, yes, being silly). Mance also needs to convey a sarcasm and disdain for the unconditional fealty the Night Watch demands in very little dialogue, which I could see Griffith doing easily. An unconventional and lesser-known actor, but he has the musical and fighting skills, so I hope D & D consider him.

    When people refer to JD…is that Johnny Depp? Cause he would also totally kill the Mance role, right? Charming, dangerous, musical, yeah, he’d kill it.

    I get where the guy from Hawaii 50 would be thought of for Strong Belwas, but I don’t know if he moves as fast as Sammo Hung and there are several scenes where he has to move like lightening in the book. Whether they keep those scenes or not might have a bearing on who they pick for that role if they even keep Strong Belwas in the series, but if anybody doesn’t know who Sammo Hung is, watch the beginning scenes of “Enter The Dragon” and see the big guy acrobatically fighting Bruce Lee…that’s Sammo. He’s big, fast, and bad, and has a good voice for ordering people around (as Belwas does with his squire).

    Am I wrong in thinking that Meera and Jojen Reed are described as being really petite, like under 5′ tall? It seems that some smaller actors with would be needed there?

    It appears that people get hung up on accents, when there are several non-Brit actors in the cast that are doing quite well…actors pick up accents well, so why worry about that?

    Also, I do agree with James Purefoy as more in the Red Viper mode than Mance, he’d kill as the Red Viper, who is written as a handsome man with a large ego and stubborn-minded. Yes on Purefoy as the Red Viper!

    Yes also on Dame Judi Dench as the Queen of Thorns, she has more of a similar facial structure to the lady playing Margery Tyrell, similar nose, would be a natural as her grandma. Dench conveys that sense of importance onscreen that needs to be expressed with just a second’s glance in such a quick-moving series…perfect if that role survives the cut.

    This is a fun thread…

  • Just had a thought about Mance if they’re looking to go blonde, how about Jamie Campbell Bower from the Starz series Camelot? He can sing too, as he was in the movie musical Sweeney Todd and sang quite well there. Thinking of Camelot, since it’s no longer shooting, there’s a whole slew of guys who can swing a sword and look good in medieval garb…and what about Eva Green as Margery’s mother?
    http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1672189/

  • Drfunk,

    Emmanuelle Chriqui as Arriane? As far as acting goes I can’t really see that happening. But lookswise, god, I would love to see that happen.

  • Alia,

    Mikael Persbrandt is one hell of a suggestion, for which you have my eternal, albeit virtual, admiration! He’s a fantastic actor.

  • I hope they don’t cast Mads Mikkelsen as Mance Rayder. Mostly because I think he would make a wonderful Euron Greyjoy. For the King Beyond the Wall, my money’s on Cusik.

  • tysnow:
    For Martells, Nina could go with all Brit/Indian actors, a lot of them in the UK.

    Arianna – Parminda Nagra of Bend it like Beckham
    Oberyn – Ifffan Khan from Slumdog

    I adore both those actors. Nagra is lovely and oozes charisma. I loved her in the series ER.

    And Khan already has the HBO connection. Did anyone catch him last year on the final season of In Treatment? He was absolutely phenomenal, the grief and suffering in his face and in his eyes was palpable. For this reason, I would see him as a fabulous choice for Doran Martell, but he could probably play Doran’s brother Oberyn as well, if he got in great physical shape for the role.

    And while we’re throwing out Anglo-Desi names how about Dev Patel as Grey Worm? :-D He’s too big a star prbly, but fun to picture him as the commander of the Unsullied.

  • Joshua Taylor:
    MATTHEW,

    Cox as Randyll Tarly. That is all.

    How good would that be!!!!! Cox is such a magnificent talent he could either play someone extremely gentle (The Kindly Man) or extremely cruel (Tarly).

    If he played Tarly, they could even do flashback scenes of him and Sam.

    Plus, Cox has a David Benioff connection. He was great in one of my favorite movies, Spike Lee’s The 25th Hour which Benioff wrote; he played Edward Norton’s father with great gravitas and subtlety.

  • Anybody who thinks Ron Pearlman should be Tormund needs to read the books again. Brian Blessed all the way.

  • Grujah,

    Too young! I like Joe, and I’d love to see him on the show, but not as Mance. Mance needs to look like he’s got some history to him. I’d also like to see Paul McGann, but Julian Rhind-Tutt is still my choice.

  • Ooh man… I haven’t posted here in a while, but after tonight’s episode, this is perfect for me to put off writing thesis…!

    I haven’t read the books, so I can’t weigh in on appropriateness of any actor for a given role, but as usual, you guys have come up with a great list of actors to bring into the GoT family. Any one of them would be welcome in my eyes, as they are all talented dudes. Urban I know the least, but the other three have a chameleonic quality and charisma that could lend them well to any role you place them in.

    Purefoy is a real work horse kind of charismatic guy. He’d bring the same kind of subtly and charm that Dinklage exhibits episode after episode.

    Mikkelsen I haven’t seen a ton either, but from Casino Royale alone, I can tell he’s got a lot of talent – and the ability to show restraint when the role calls for it, and I can see him blending into the cast and world probably more than any other of these actors.

    Henry Ian Cusick, is the reason I jumped into this post. When I was posting here during last season, he was a name I continuously brought up. I absolutely loved him in Lost, making Desmond Hume one of my hands-down favorites in that series. Even if he is currently busy, I would love to see him pop up in GoT at some point, even if it is for a featured character that only lasts an episode – because he will make that character resonate like a beautiful song. He’s just great.

    Again, I can’t speak to specific characters, but just wanted to weigh in and give my approval for your choices here, gang! They are all relatively known actors, so the role would likely have to be one that is featured or a major part, but you never know… and I would say Urban would be hardest to wrangle at the moment.

    Many of the other actors you all mentioned here are consummate professionals who’d play well in Westeros as well. Especially liked the shout-outs for Parminder Nagra and Irrfan Khan. I’m hopeful that the former’s current show Alcatraz will continue for a second season, but wouldn’t be too sad if it brought her to GoT. She’s welcome to bring Sarah Jones and Sam Neill with her as well! (I enjoy Jorge Garcia as well, just don’t see him fitting GoT)

    Keep up the great work, Winter is Coming and fans!

  • Maggie Smith wants to leave Downton Abbey, I would love it if that made way for her to play the Queen Of Thorns.

  • Great choices. Having seen Mads in many movies (in King Arthur, Clash of the Titans) it was his role in Valhalla Rising that totally makes me see him as Mance. That said, James Purefoy had a rage-infused, smoldering physicality as King Lot in Starz Camelot series. That man was made for chainmail and a sword! As others have suggested, he’d be great as the Red Viper or one of the Greyjoys.

    Following the theme of show/actor overlaps, I hope John Lynch gets cast as someone too. Adore his work. Most of his roles are more gentle, soft-spoken but his “look” is perfect. He shared screen time with Sean Bean in Black Death and Joseph Mawle in BBC’s Merlin. Perhaps one of the other Wildlings or Howland Reed?
    http://www.imdb.com/media/rm4232884736/nm0001487

  • I think Mads would make a better Greyjoy than Mance. I loved Henry as Desmond but not sure thats the right choice either. Karl Urban – No Haven’t seen much of Purefoy to decide one way or another.

    Other suggestions – Powers Boothe, Christoph Waltz, Stellan Skarsgard, Andrew Divoff

    Also, what about Naveen Andrews or Nestor Carbonell as the Red Viper

  • My understanding from the books is that Tyrion goes into how Dornish are either “white, medium or dark” (emphasis added). The Andels, and two newer Dornish who are dark and darker skinned. So, having my baby Purefoy play the Red Viper, which I dearly would love, unfortunately I think he’s too Anglo-Saxon. Probably Mance Rider is the better choice for Mr. Purefoy.

  • Has anyone mentioned David Thewlis for Mance? We could get a little Lupin & Tonks reunion going on!

    Oh, wait…

  • I dont know if this has been said or not and it might be a long shot but this just hit me last night! DANIEL DAY LEWIS would be perfect for Mance Rayder!!!!

  • Puri: Just had a thought about Mance if they’re looking to go blonde, how about Jamie Campbell Bower from the Starz series Camelot? He can sing too, as he was in the movie musical Sweeney Todd and sang quite well there. Thinking of Camelot, since it’s no longer shooting, there’s a whole slew of guys who can swing a sword and look good in medieval garb…and what about Eva Green as Margery’s mother?http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1672189/

    Campbell Bower is way too young for Mance.

    While his Arthur was probably the worst thing about Camelot he was ok in other stuff and it would be nice for him to get another role in GoT after having to be replaced as Waymer Royce.

    He could play Vals toyboy whose name I can’t recall.

    While it won’t be JCB I wouldn’t be surprised if our eventual Mance was someone who had been on Camelot though (Sean Pertwee maybe).

  • In my opinion, Purefoy would be tops for Mance, he has the attitude- which I believe to be more important than look. Mads is one of my favorite actors of all time and does tortured yet honorable SO well, I’d L-O-V-E to see him as Dondarrion!

  • ANiceChianti,

    I actually think that him or David Wenham would be good for Beric.

    I’m still voting for Rufus Sewell or Dominic West for Mance. With this series, as with many great ones, a lot of acting is done with a slight look or a glance – Peter Dinklage is particularly awesome at this. Rufus and Dominic both have very expressive eyes.

    My two cents.

  • Mormegil: Campbell Bower is way too young for Mance.

    While his Arthur was probably the worst thing about Camelot he was ok in other stuff andit would be nice for him to get another role in GoT after having to be replaced as Waymer Royce.

    He could play Vals toyboy whose name I can’t recall.

    While it won’t be JCB I wouldn’t be surprised if our eventual Mance was someone who had been on Camelot though(Sean Pertwee maybe).

    Yeah, I get that JCB might be too young…he might work as Young Griff later though, right? That was my 2nd thought for him. I agree that he was weak as the king in Camelot, but there were certainly a lot of strong characters on that show, including Purefoy of course, who would KILL IT in GOT. And JCB as the impetuous Young Griff might be cool.

  • Laura,

    David Michael Scott appears in Season 1 Episode 6 “A Golden Crown” in the role of Lord Baric Dondarrion.

    Also, even though D&D have already said the Queens of Thorns will not be cast because Natalie Dormer is going to play Margery and the QoTs all wrapped into one character however, if they were to cast Olenna Redwyne, to me the character is a British actress named Pauline Collins.

  • Amarien: even though D&D have already said the Queens of Thorns will not be cast because Natalie Dormer is going to play Margery and the QoTs all wrapped into one character

    Where did they say this?

    While it’s certainly something that has been speculated by Fans I can’t see D+D actually coming out and saying something about what is happening in Season 3 or beyond.

    These are the people who still won’t say if the Blackfish is totally cut or not after all.

  • I’d love Hans Matheson as Mance. He’s got the looks, the accent and the singing voice. He can be badass and charming, and besides, I’d be great to see him on screen again :)

  • With all my heart I’m for Cusick. Hell, I am. Damn you, I’m gonna be disappointed whoever else they cast.

  • May I add a dark horse to this race?

    Jason Flemying
    http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0002076/

    He may not look the part, but he will do what Dinklage did with Tyrion-embody it. Flemying always played outsiders (X-men: First Class, Jekyll/Hyde in League of Extraordinary Gentlement etc). Mance is an outsider now leading a people always on the outside of Westeros wanting nothing more than a better life. Jason Flyming an underrated actor and always kept my attention even if the movie itself is not so great.

  • Mads gets my vote.

    I just read in the link below that Mance Rayder was present at King Robert’s arrival in Winterfell. I understand the books differ from the show greatly in some regards, but it would be interesting to go back and watch the feast. Even if just to see the back of some otherwise unassuming musician… who is, in fact, Mance Rayder!

    Also, how did he get over/under/around/through the wall??

    http://awoiaf.westeros.org/index.php/Mance_Rayder

    Rukie44,

  • Lynn,

    Robert Carlyle! What a brilliant choice! Probably not doable because of his OUAT commitment, but wow.

    On another note, I don’t discount Sting as a option…Feyd was a long time ago. He’s probably improved some with age. And if we’re Dune-ing it up, Kyle MacLaughlin has quite a range. Not to mention Patrick Stewart. He’s not really Mance – I’d just love to see him in the show. He might’ve made a rather killer Tywin, actually.

  • Amarien,

    I hope to heavens the Queen of Thorns remains! She is one of my all-time favorites. My husband and I have decided to cast Betty White for that one.

  • Vince Haney: Mads gets my vote. I just read in the link below that Mance Rayder was present at King Robert’s arrival in Winterfell. I understand the books differ from the show greatly in some regards, but it would be interesting to go back and watch the feast. Even if just to see the back of some otherwise unassuming musician… who is, in fact, Mance Rayder!Also, how did he get over/under/around/through the wall?? http://awoiaf.westeros.org/index.php/Mance_RayderRukie44,

    IIRC there was a report that when the pilot was filmed something was added to the Winterfell scenes that only book fans would recognise.

    I’ve no idea if this was actually true or if we ever found out anything more but I do recall that there was some speculation at the time that Mance had been added to the feast scene.

    Of course a lot of the feast scene was reshot for Ep1 so if Mance was there he probably ended up on the cutting room floor.

  • Liz B.:
    Amarien,

    I hope to heavens the Queen of Thorns remains! She is one of my all-time favorites. My husband and I have decided to cast Betty White for that one.

    I’m still hoping that they keep that character as well. She is so awesome. For me, the ideal person would be Fionnula Flanagan for that part. And she has the added advantage of having been in a GRRM production before, having had a part in Beauty and the Beast decades ago.

  • I know its a longshot because he is more Hollywood than HBO and also LOTR, but wouldnt Viggo Mortensen be a baddass mance, hes got the rugged look and the swagger. Baller imo

  • serum:
    I dont know if this has been said or not and it might be a long shot but this just hit me last night!DANIEL DAY LEWIS would be perfect for Mance Rayder!!!!

    Oh yes! Daniel Day-Lewis would be awesome for Mance! He sings too, so the musical stuff would be easy for him, plus he has the “I’m practically starving” look that wildlings would have. Rugged, handsome, charismatic, kicked ass in “Gangs of NY.” I second DANIEL DAY LEWIS!

  • Here’s Richard Armitage in The Hobbit. He plays Thorin Oakenshield, who’s somewhat older than Mance with plenty of grey hair. He starts singing the Misty Mtn song..at 6’2″ he’s tall & thin with long legs. Armitage is highly trained in stage combat and has had plenty of experience with it.. The Hobbit Trailer: http://youtu.be/P9XcpDG5kpo

  • Juan,

    Isn’t Euron a younger brother? He could be in his 40’s. I think Richard Armitage would make a great Euron, he fits the physical description and he can play bad and mad.

  • negar,

    I agree with Juan and RAblogger, Richard Armitage can do it, he is already playing older in The Hobbit and he can sing (see Hobbit trailer). I think he would be a great Euron (remember Guy of Gisborne in Robin Hood) and he would also be a great Mance too.

  • Hollyoak,

    Watch him in Elizabeth, the movie with Cate Blanchett and the BBC series Shadowline. Can’t remember quite what he was like in Elizabeth, its been years since I’ve seen it but the Shadowline is much more serious and has got a brilliant British cast too.

  • RAblogger:
    Here’s Richard Armitage in The Hobbit.He plays Thorin Oakenshield, who’s somewhatolder than Mance with plenty of grey hair.He starts singing the Misty Mtn song..at 6’2″ he’s tall & thin with long legs. Armitage is highly trained in stage combat and has had plenty of experience with it..The Hobbit Trailer: http://youtu.be/P9XcpDG5kpo

    Strong contender there! That would definitely work, but would schedules conflict with the Hobbit?

  • I just read on comingsoon.net that Mads is in line to be the villain for Thor 2.

  • How about Christopher Eccleston? He was linked with the show at some point last year, and I would personally love to see him as Mance.

  • Someone please look into Nick Moran for Mance. He played Scabior in the Harry Potter films (the Snatcher that captures Harry, Ron and Hermione, killed by Neville on the bridge). He can do both threatening AND charming, he’s still rather handsome even all scruffy.

    NICK MORAN!

  • Well I think James Purefoy is officially out – he’s been cast in the new Kevin Bacon TV series “The Following” as a serial killer – seemingly the nemesis of Bacon’s character. Shame, I’ve always been a fan of him ever since seeing him in A Knights Tale, and loved him in Solomon Kane.

    I hope The Following does well, as he deserves some spotlight!

  • For Mance they need to cast someone with a powerful but wily presence capable of switching between guile and compassion, menace and warmth. Likable but also someone not to be crossed.

    Out of the popular dreamcasts:
    Purefoy’s fun to watch, but he’s way too smirky and smarmy.
    That Mikkleson guy seems too icy.
    Sewell’s got a great face, but might be a little too benign.
    Fillion’s too beefy and American. To be fair I haven’t really seen him in anything, but he reminds me of James Belushi. With that logic, why not have Nick Offerman play Mance?

    I’m obviously no casting director, and I’m sure even an unknown could pull it off, but Robert Carlyle seems like he’d be perfect. To go even lazier, DDL would fit the shoes nicely too, but, that might just be too perfect.

  • I’m going to throw my support behind Viggo Mortensen as Mance Rayder. I don’t think it will happen, but it does look like he’s free (and a woman can dream, right)?

  • Shaking my head at people suggesting Purefoy for Oberyn. This show is dominated by white actors and when we actually get a canon POC character, you want to make him white too? I also love how race “doesn’t matter” in these cases, and it’s all about who is the “best actor”, but when it’s a minority being cast in the role of a white character, people act like the world is coming to an end.

    I will be extremely disappointed in the show runners if they cast a white actor as Oberyn, to say the least. We barely get represented on TV as it is, so this would be another slap in the face.

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  • Ogbebaba,

    Clancy Brown! I never really thought of him but this would be a great choice. I think his age wouldn’t be a big factor, he is still in pretty decent shape, life in the north is hard. He also has a history with HBO from Carnival and showed there he can pull off the charisma needed to unite the wildling clans

  • I never knew the Martells were supposed to be middle eastern. Yes There is a huge age difference but this old or young Mance arguement hasnt been put to rest.

    Mance = Tom Hiddleston, Viggo Mortensen, Henry Ian Cusick, Bill Nighy, Gary Oldman

    Oberyn = James Purefoy

    Euron = Mads Mikkleson (They will need to make him look older)

    Vargo Hoat = Jason Flemyng, Michael Fassbender

    Victarion = Ralph Fiennes

    Aeron = Alan Rickman, Bill Nighy, Christopher Lee