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Episode 12 – The Night Lands – Open Chat

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The second episode of season two is hours away. Talk about what you are looking forward to seeing here, and we’ll be back later with our two recaps. Episode details after the break.

Writers: David Benioff & D.B. Weiss
Director: Alan Taylor
Runtime: 54 min
Synopsis: In the wake of a bloody purge in the capital, Tyrion chastens Cersei for alienating the king’s subjects. On the road north, Arya shares a secret with Gendry, a Night’s Watch recruit. With supplies dwindling, one of Dany’s scouts returns with news of their position. After nine years as a Stark ward, Theon Greyjoy reunites with his father Balon, who wants to restore the ancient Kingdom of the Iron Islands. Davos enlists Salladhor Saan, a pirate, to join forces with Stannis and Melisandre for a naval invasion of King’s Landing.

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95 Comments

  1. negar
    Posted April 8, 2012 at 4:05 pm | Permalink

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    oh my god I can’t believe this!finally I’m first!wow!

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  2. David
    Posted April 8, 2012 at 4:07 pm | Permalink

    got my tissues ready, heard I would need them for this episode

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  3. Posted April 8, 2012 at 4:07 pm | Permalink

    I look forward to this episode more than the first. Still exciting! I can’t wait to see Asha/Yara and the Iron Islands and of course to reunite with Arya & Gendry!

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  4. Varamyr Fourskins
    Posted April 8, 2012 at 4:09 pm | Permalink

    The interaction between Theon and his father is one of my favorite parts of Clash, so I can’t wait to see how it plays out on screen.

    Did you pay the Iron Price?

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  5. Posted April 8, 2012 at 4:11 pm | Permalink

    Can’t wait to see the Arya and Iron Islands sequences! However I think perhaps they will combine a couple of the Arya scenes and have Yoren die tonight just to get Arya to Harrenhall all the faster.

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  6. Posted April 8, 2012 at 4:13 pm | Permalink

    Ironborn at last! Balon and Yara Greyjoy!
    However, the scene i’m eagerly anticipating for, is the interaction between Arya and mysterious Jaqen H’ghar!

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  7. Lex
    Posted April 8, 2012 at 4:14 pm | Permalink

    Seriously can’t wait!

    I’d forgotten how long the wait between Sundays could feel! I’ve already watched the premiere episode 3 times (it was hard to resist watching it more than that!). Tonight, a friend who missed the premiere is coming over to watch both episodes, so I have an excuse to watch Ep. 11 for my 4th time! :D

    Looking forward to the episode, but aside from posting my immediate impressions, I think I’ll try to stay out of this thread. The inevitable nitpicking is always a downer.

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  8. Posted April 8, 2012 at 4:15 pm | Permalink

    Ironborn at last! Balon and Yara Greyjoy!
    However, the scene i’m eagerly anticipating for, is the interaction between Arya and mysterious Jaqen H’ghar!

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  9. spacepope
    Posted April 8, 2012 at 4:16 pm | Permalink

    Someone dies who did not die in the books. Minor but well liked character. As one who has read the books, I was a bit shocked.

    Teaser for you :)

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  10. Harry The Heir
    Posted April 8, 2012 at 4:19 pm | Permalink

    spacepope,

    Batman?!

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  11. Tytos Blackwood
    Posted April 8, 2012 at 4:21 pm | Permalink

    all about davos and balon

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  12. Arthur
    Posted April 8, 2012 at 4:30 pm | Permalink

    I personally can’t wait to see how Yara totally mindf*cks Theon. When I read the book, that was one of my favorite chapters. It was so epic how Yarajust played him. I had to set the book down and just laugh and think to myself;

    “Wow, Theon you got totally beat the f*ck down”

    That woman just owned Theon for life! Hah!

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  13. The Sun's Son
    Posted April 8, 2012 at 4:33 pm | Permalink

    Wishing that I hadn’t watched the second episode when it leaked! It has made the wait for next Sunday unbearable. I’ll watch the second episode again tonight for more looks at the Greyjoys + Jaqen H’ghar.

    Will be nice to watch it in HD though.

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  14. Icebird
    Posted April 8, 2012 at 4:33 pm | Permalink

    I’m looking forward to the Arya scenes tonight. I don’t think that Yoren will die tonight, I think they’ll develop Arya’s story a bit more first. Maybe that’ll be in week 3/4.

    I am looking forward to seeing the Iron Islands though the Greyjoy’s aren’t my favorite characters. (“Tastes like the sea!”) The Asha aka Yara introduction was deeper into the book than I remembered (reading it now) so maybe she won’t make an appearance tonight?

    In the near future I’m looking forward to everything (well almost) Renly. Maybe I’ll enjoy a peach as I watch episode 4.

    Hoping Stannis sets sail in this episode. And maybe episode 3 Renly finds out Storm’s End is besieged and rides to meet Stannis. I can’t freaking wait for episode 4.

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  15. iheartseverus
    Posted April 8, 2012 at 4:44 pm | Permalink

    I tried my freakin’ best all week to somehow be able to view #12, just wasn’t able to find it anywhere, grrrrr. Now, I’m glad I didn’t–only 4+ hours to go–can’t wait!

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  16. dmiller23562
    Posted April 8, 2012 at 4:47 pm | Permalink

    I watched this a few days ago

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  17. Mike Chair
    Posted April 8, 2012 at 4:48 pm | Permalink

    As a card-carrying member and co-founder of the BwP, I didn’t watch any previews. Also, I didn’t pay attention to the casting of Balon. Yet, when I saw that pic at the top of this post I immediately thought, Balon Greyjoy! Maybe I just was anticipating what will happen tonight and, through process of elimination (e.g., I know he’s not Craster), he’s the only one who fits that pic.

    Nonetheless, to me, this thing is more than five books. It’s more than a TV series. I was in a crowded room last year when someone yelled out someone else’s name and the last name was “Stannis.” I instinctively snapped my head up. My neighbor’s dog (as I posted recently) is an all-white husky. People are naming their kids Arya.

    But, when The Simpsons. opens with the GoT theme I can reach only one conclusion. It has reached the popular culture.

    GoT got Cult!

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  18. gswelcome
    Posted April 8, 2012 at 5:11 pm | Permalink

    no doubt will be like season 1, each episode better than the last, i’m more interested in episode 3 anyway… one more week…

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  19. The DarkStar
    Posted April 8, 2012 at 5:16 pm | Permalink

    I anticipate that no one will be let down by The actor playing Balon and his interaction with Theon.

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  20. Posted April 8, 2012 at 5:18 pm | Permalink

    Awesome! We get to see Pyke and Craster’s Hut. I spoiled myself as I have no self-control, you guys will love it!

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  21. LordDavos12
    Posted April 8, 2012 at 5:19 pm | Permalink

    I’m looking forward to hopefully hearing an Arya/Jaqen convo.

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  22. Dee
    Posted April 8, 2012 at 5:20 pm | Permalink

    Watched this last week, the Iron Islands scenes are the highlight of the episode. Balon is fabulous and Yara extremely interesting. I’m going to really enjoy the Greyjoys this season.
    The brothel scenes are gratuitous as usual, but LF’s scene with Roz adds insight into his character. Aidan Gillen does a tremendous job despite Roz’s acting class level performance.
    The scenes North of the wall I found rickety, the Kings Landing sequences engaging, and Arya’s scenes on the Kings Road cute and lighthearted, while still maintaining a sense that her arc will get darker sooner rather than later.
    As a whole the episode is far better paced than the premiere, more cohesive in feel, and a lot more entertaining. A good episode that I’m sure everyone will enjoy – the book purists might have a bone or two to pick, though.

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  23. Ours is the Fury
    Posted April 8, 2012 at 5:21 pm | Permalink

    Anyone who downloaded ep 2 (or was in the applicable countries where it aired) might want to use spoiler code when discussing the new episode as people are still posting speculation in this thread and they aren’t expecting to be spoiled until later in the evening- the show doesn’t air for three and a half more hours officially.

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  24. Zack
    Posted April 8, 2012 at 5:23 pm | Permalink

    I’m going to be verrrrrrry displeased if they don’t do justice to Theon’s reunion with his sister. That’s been near the top of my most anticipated moments ever since I read it.

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  25. Dee
    Posted April 8, 2012 at 5:26 pm | Permalink

    Ours is the Fury,

    Oops, sorry.

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  26. Jacob Silverstone
    Posted April 8, 2012 at 5:28 pm | Permalink

    Based on the title of the Episode: “Nightlands” i think someone will die in the Red Waste.

    And im really looking forward to Jaqen, he is one of my favorite side-charaters

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  27. Jess
    Posted April 8, 2012 at 5:31 pm | Permalink

    Icebird:
    I’m looking forward to the Arya scenes tonight.I don’t think that Yoren will die tonight, I think they’ll develop Arya’s story a bit more first.Maybe that’ll be in week 3/4.

    I am looking forward to seeing the Iron Islands though the Greyjoy’s aren’t my favorite characters.(“Tastes like the sea!”)The Asha aka Yara introduction was deeper into the book than I remembered (reading it now) so maybe she won’t make an appearance tonight?

    In the near future I’m looking forward to everything (well almost) Renly.Maybe I’ll enjoy a peach as I watch episode 4.

    Hoping Stannis sets sail in this episode.And maybe episode 3 Renly finds out Storm’s End is besieged and rides to meet Stannis.I can’t freaking wait for episode 4.

    Yep I’m looking forward to Renly plots as well. Unfortunately there are so many characters so we’re really not getting enough time with each plots in each episode. Can’t imagine how things are going to be in season 3/4. O_O

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  28. Ours is the Fury
    Posted April 8, 2012 at 5:35 pm | Permalink

    Dee,

    No worries, just erring on the side of caution since this week is unusual, to say the least. :)

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  29. HelloMoto
    Posted April 8, 2012 at 6:09 pm | Permalink

    I am looking forward to, major, major, major episode 2 spoiler: Ros crying

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  30. Hi-Fi
    Posted April 8, 2012 at 6:24 pm | Permalink

    Ours is the Fury,

    What was so wrong with my post saying this episode was much better than the first one (which I also really enjoyed)? I was even replying to someone.

    Anyway, sorry if I broke any rules.

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  31. Queensmoot
    Posted April 8, 2012 at 6:33 pm | Permalink

    I’m so excited to see Arya again – I’ve missed Maisie’s adorable little face! I also can’t wait to see Asha, obviously from the name, I’m a huge fan of hers. I hope I love Yara as much. And Balon! Squee!

    You guys that have seen the premiere have me so worried about tonight!

    I’m more than content to wait until tonight to find out who the unlucky one will be, but my money is on Rakharo – didn’t he have to go do a film? We shall see in 2 1/2 hours!

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  32. Lala
    Posted April 8, 2012 at 6:37 pm | Permalink

    Already watched it, the best part is Arya and Gendry! They’re just amazing together. Love how she says “He was never a traitor! Joffrey is a liar.”

    And Jaqen is hot. Jaqen isn’t meant to be hot in my mind. Mindfuck.

    Wrote a longer post but the spoiler tags weren’t working for some reason so I’ll keep my mouth shut for a bit.

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  33. Hi-Fi
    Posted April 8, 2012 at 6:40 pm | Permalink

    Asha is my favorite female character from ASOIAF and I was super satisfied with the way Gemma portrays her. The Iron Islands scenes are the best part of this episode!

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  34. Nagga's Kin
    Posted April 8, 2012 at 7:08 pm | Permalink

    The development of the Tyrion-Cersei dynamic should be interesting. If neither of them succeeds in reining in Joffrey, will they set aside their deep-seated differences before the burghers of KL and the refugee peasants revolt against his misrule?

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  35. Chrissy
    Posted April 8, 2012 at 7:16 pm | Permalink

    I’m really looking forward to seeing Arya and Gendry; I love their story -line. Gah, I’m so excited!!!!!!!!

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  36. Stan
    Posted April 8, 2012 at 7:22 pm | Permalink

    Hot Pie is epic in this episode

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  37. Dave Brownell
    Posted April 8, 2012 at 7:35 pm | Permalink

    I’ve already seen it, and i can honestly say i HATE this episodes… the way it ends is so terribly done… bah

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  38. Klavonivs
    Posted April 8, 2012 at 7:36 pm | Permalink

    Can’t wait for this one!!!! Friend of mine saw it already from the “early” release that’s been floating around and told me the scene with Ghost looks even better than Greywind did in the first episode. I think I got over half of my co-workers into this series now. Soooo difficult not spoiling anything for them since they never read the books, lolzzz

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  39. darquemode
    Posted April 8, 2012 at 7:40 pm | Permalink

    I wonder if there will be an episode this season where I don;t look forward to some Tyrion scene assumed ot be in or previewed…. I doubt it!

    Aside from the demi-god of drama that is Dinklage…
    Also looking forward to the Iron Islands and Greyjoys Theon was never a favorite of mine (until Reek), but I always like his relatives a lot! I expect the page to screen transition will just amplify my love of Balon and YarAsha and those that come later!

    Most of all I’m looking forward to seeing it in pure HD without and HBO GO logo in the corner. XD

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  40. Sword-O-Da-Mornin'
    Posted April 8, 2012 at 7:42 pm | Permalink

    David,

    lol steady crying, all day, everyday

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  41. Knihti
    Posted April 8, 2012 at 7:43 pm | Permalink

    First Sexposition in season 2, about history of Iron island and how Iron Borns handle womens.

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  42. Woman_On_The_Wall
    Posted April 8, 2012 at 7:54 pm | Permalink

    I’m looking forward to Jaqen tonight, north of the Wall with Lord Snow AND–though I don’t think she’ll be appearing tonight (but I hope)–Brienne. Can’t wait to see the interplay between Kingslayer and Wench!

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  43. Ser Lemon Cakes
    Posted April 8, 2012 at 8:08 pm | Permalink

    How perfect was Jaqen? Right off the page. I agree at the epicness of Hot Pie, however I am a little disturbed to realise as of now he has had more lines than The Hound!

    Bring it on Yara haters, I will defend my girl till the Kraken awakes! Whilst she was not exactly as I imagined in my reading, although, yes she is not Hollywood Barbie hot, her haughtiness/sexyness burned through the screen!

    Little dissapointed about how casually Jaqen was introduced but really confused about the Pod introduction, why not half a second shot of his face? Will he be the neighbour in Home Improvment of GOT?
    Loved it otherwise. Be interested in the debate re hankygate.

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  44. mikhail
    Posted April 8, 2012 at 8:19 pm | Permalink

    why did hbo leak this episode so early

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  45. the goat
    Posted April 8, 2012 at 8:25 pm | Permalink

    Ser Lemon Cakes:
    How perfect was Jaqen? Right off the page. I agree at the epicness of Hot Pie, however I am a little disturbed to realise as of now he has had more lines than The Hound!

    Hot Pie should have every line, to be honest.

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  46. Klavonivs
    Posted April 8, 2012 at 8:35 pm | Permalink

    mikhail,

    I wouldn’t worry too much about the “early release”. Friend who saw it told me there’s a part where Daenerys is speaking Dothraki, but there’s no subtitles to go with the release online. I told him “Ha ha, you have to watch it sunday anyways”. So if people saw it already they need to tune in tonight to see what she says unless these people speak Dothraki ;P

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  47. Erik M
    Posted April 8, 2012 at 8:45 pm | Permalink

    Klavonivs,

    It was released with Swedish subtitles for that scene a few days ago though, so it wasn’t a problem for us northmen. ;)

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  48. Posted April 8, 2012 at 8:46 pm | Permalink

    Dee,

    Gave in and watched it last night, and I concur with just about everything you said, nice job. Very much looking forward to the reaction for this one, which I anticipate will be very positive with a smattering of extremely negative.

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  49. Klavonivs
    Posted April 8, 2012 at 8:48 pm | Permalink

    Erik M,

    Are you North of the Wall??? If not you’re a Southener just like me ;P

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  50. Rainbow Guard
    Posted April 8, 2012 at 9:13 pm | Permalink

    Can’t wait for Episode 3 tbh, I’ll be flat out trying to spot myself as one of the Rainbow Guard. Everything Greyjoy & Stannis related is fantastic in this episode.

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  51. Dasein
    Posted April 8, 2012 at 9:14 pm | Permalink

    Dave Brownell,

    A sure sign of popularity… Trolls.

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  52. Posted April 8, 2012 at 9:25 pm | Permalink

    Dasein:
    Dave Brownell,

    A sure sign of popularity… Trolls.

    Just because he doesn’t like it doesn’t necessarily make him a troll. And the last scene is likely to be very polarizing among fans.

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  53. Dasein
    Posted April 8, 2012 at 9:27 pm | Permalink

    Steven Swanson,
    That kind of post on this board BEFORE the episode airs is either trolling or trolling,

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  54. moi
    Posted April 8, 2012 at 9:39 pm | Permalink

    Already saw it and here is the best part ooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo

    Episode is strong. Not a dud

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  55. Magnus
    Posted April 8, 2012 at 9:52 pm | Permalink

    Dasein,

    Many people have seen it because it was released on HBO GO in some Eastern European countries last monday.

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  56. Dasein
    Posted April 8, 2012 at 9:54 pm | Permalink

    Magnus,

    I understand that. My question was why post?

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  57. Hollyoak
    Posted April 8, 2012 at 9:57 pm | Permalink

    This episode was just complete and utter eye candy. Everything looked so good. Man, I swear, this season the world of Westeros has really come to life.

    God, that was awesome.

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  58. Darkenmal
    Posted April 8, 2012 at 10:00 pm | Permalink

    Good episode, however the last scene was actually new, which is going to be a shock for most readers.

    Wonder if they managed to get it right.

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  59. The Instrumentalist
    Posted April 8, 2012 at 10:00 pm | Permalink

    Ros made me cry… da fuck?!

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  60. DanofhouseStark
    Posted April 8, 2012 at 10:03 pm | Permalink

    Ghost looked epic! Phenomenal job with the CGI!

    Fantastic episode, I love the pacing and the dialogue is at the same level or even above the last few episodes of season 1. I imagined Asha (Yara) to be more loud and boisterous, but theres a certain charm to the way shes been portrayed on screen. Balon was a BAMF. Dinklage shines as usual in every scene, the pain in his face when Cersei was talking about his birth and their mothers death = pure genius! Jaqen was as mysterious as imagined him to be. There is also great chemistry between Gendry and Arya.

    Another great episode, next Sunday can’t come soon enough!

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  61. Nagga's Kin
    Posted April 8, 2012 at 10:04 pm | Permalink

    Klavonivs:
    mikhail,

    I wouldn’t worry too much about the “early release”.Friend who saw it told me there’s a part where Daenerys is speaking Dothraki, but there’s no subtitles to go with the release online.I told him “Ha ha, you have to watch it sunday anyways”.So if people saw it already they need to tune in tonight to see what she says unless these people speak Dothraki ;P

    To date, it’s been pretty easy to grasp the gist of the scenes with Dothraki dialogue just from the action and the emotions being portrayed. That’s not true of the details, of course. Fortunately, Dothraki culture is direct and anything but subtle.

    By contrast, scenes in which veiled language is used to communicate threats and other subtext, e.g. pretty much any of Littlefinger’s or Varys’ lines, requires dubbing or subtitles for target markets where English is a foreign language to the majority of viewers. Unfortunately, subtitling equipment usually superimposes the translated text in white over the original video. If that already contains subtitles in English, it will make the local-language subtitles that much harder to read in the time available – unless the operator uses white text in a black box for those scenes.

    Ergo, it would make sense if HBO were to omit the English-language subtitles for all the lines in Dothraki from the master copies destined for e.g. the Dutch/Flemish market.

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  62. wargsareawesome
    Posted April 8, 2012 at 10:09 pm | Permalink

    What is the Seven Hells was going on in that last scene?
    my theories:
    1)Somehow that was a flashback to Ben Starks death
    2) Jon was/is having a wolf dream
    3) Jon was having a prophetic dream of his (maybe) death in ADWD
    4) Jon was having a prophetic dream of the Half-hand’s death
    5) Jon was having a prophetic dream of the Old Bear’s death
    6) HBO is trolling us and it means absolutely nothing

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  63. Posted April 8, 2012 at 10:13 pm | Permalink

    “And what do you feel about that?” (love Balon´s question).
    Feeling happy here, thank you Balon (love your fireplace btw).
    Episode 2 was cute, thrilling, funny and awkward. Editing and directing are better also.
    I laugh at myself because I wonder if ”happy” is a proper word for someone who watch this series. Well, in my defense I´ll say this is not a bloody episode (except for Rakharo´s head) but boy! there´s cretins all around: Theon with that poor Captain´s daughter, Craster again, Slynt, Bronn the Lord Commander .
    And… Stannis sex… awkward O.o
    Is Littlefinger a peep? Is he Peepingfinger or Peeperfinger? “That was poorly handled”. What a jerk. I feel sorry for Ross. I was expecting something of this calibre from him but he was even worst.
    “I´m not questioning your honor Lord Slynt, I´m denying its existance”. Good journey to the wall creep!
    I think I´ll enjoy Varys and Tyrion relationship. Conleth Hill is a genius.
    I don´t like Greyjoys but I enjoyed them. Pyke miniature in the intro looks good. And I like GW very much. If not for Asha, I think this is not a good episode for the future of feminism.
    Oh, Ghost looks lovely (I´m using strange words).
    I re-watched today looking for some complaint but I have none of importance.
    Well, “I keep on paddling” can be one. Augh. At least is Conleth Hill who says that. Littlefinger and Varys are more bold with their tongues this season.
    Scenes with Lommey, Hot Pie, Gendry and Arya are lovely and funny.
    I edited what I wrote the first time I saw this episode. Too lazy to write again.

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  64. moleman
    Posted April 8, 2012 at 10:15 pm | Permalink

    Or D&D are being much more explicit than the books about what happens to Craster’s sons; the Others take them.

    What for, is only a conjecture.
    wargsareawesome,

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  65. Posted April 8, 2012 at 10:16 pm | Permalink

    wargsareawesome,

    No prophecy, no warging. Jon just saw a White walker taking Craster´s baby.

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  66. wargsareawesome
    Posted April 8, 2012 at 10:19 pm | Permalink

    Okaaaaay, so he was attacked by a White Walker, yet it didn’t kill him, nor did it turn him into a wight, nor did he kill it…. what the heck! That makes no sense!

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  67. purrmonsta
    Posted April 8, 2012 at 10:22 pm | Permalink

    Wow, loved tonight’s episode and am a little surprised at some of the changes made from the book. I’ve just finished reading all the books a 2nd time through and am pretty sure they added some new stuff in that episode that didn’t happen in the book. I know they have to make some changes for the TV series in the interest of pacing and such, and are trying to explain some things that weren’t explained in the book as well. I was really surprised at a few of the things that happened tonight and I won’t mention them specifically since not everybody’s seen it yet, but I think they weren’t drastic enough to change major plot points. It was a great episode, nice to see some major characters for the first time and see some development in the Stannis’ war plot line. Balon Greyjoy is just as expected, maybe even gnarlier.

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  68. Langkard
    Posted April 8, 2012 at 10:25 pm | Permalink

    wargsareawesome:
    Okaaaaay, so he was attacked by a White Walker, yet it didn’t kill him, nor did it turn him into a wight, nor did he kill it…. what the heck! That makes no sense!

    That wasn’t a White Walker hitting Jon. It was Craster.

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  69. Posted April 8, 2012 at 10:26 pm | Permalink

    wargsareawesome: he was attacked by a White Walker,

    Well, no. Jon was attacked by Craster, don´t panic.

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  70. wargsareawesome
    Posted April 8, 2012 at 10:27 pm | Permalink

    Langkard,

    OK…. NOW it makes sense….

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  71. purrmonsta
    Posted April 8, 2012 at 10:27 pm | Permalink

    wargsareawesome,

    I think that was Craster that hit Jon, not a white walker.

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  72. wargsareawesome
    Posted April 8, 2012 at 10:29 pm | Permalink

    john,

    I had a bit of glare on my TV screen, so all I saw was a person-shape whacking Jon. I knew the White Walkers were there, so I assumed it was them.

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  73. Langkard
    Posted April 8, 2012 at 10:32 pm | Permalink

    wargsareawesome:
    john,

    I had a bit of glare on my TV screen, so all I saw was a person-shape whacking Jon. I knew the White Walkers were there, so I assumed it was them.

    It did fly by in a quick flash, so easy to understand the confusion. I was ready for it, since I was half expecting Craster to come up behind Jon while Jon was hiding behind the tree justy prior to that.

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  74. moleman
    Posted April 8, 2012 at 10:36 pm | Permalink

    First impressions: I loved the episode.

    Pyke was a visual wonder. Great effects to set the stage, and although I wasn’t sold on Balon’s casting at first, I think as time went on it was perfect.

    Ghost was FUCKING AWESOME in this episode. I’m thrilled they kept him silent, unlike last season. The idea of this pure white (huge wolf) just looking at you and maybe snarling, but not making a sound, has always been a plus for me. I severely disliked the growling at the end of last season.

    Stannis scenes were awesome, but I still wish he was bald. It’s part of the character, that he doesn’t go for half-measures; as soon as he started losing his hair, he shaved himself. It’s a small point though, and I believe I’ll get over it. However, does Shireen exist in this world? The relationship between Stannis and Selyse seems radically changed from the books. “She has only given you death” may be played to include a daughter with grayscale, but not to the common viewer. And Selyse was R’hlor’s biggest supporter with Stannis, not shut away in a tower somewhere. I’ll be interested to see how the show takes this plotline.

    Arya, Gendry, and Yoren were all awesome. That is all.

    Littlefinger is an amoral asshole in this episode. I don’t think that’s a contradiction to the books, but damn, they went out of their way to vilify him. Paraphrasing, “the last whore who cried on my watched suffered unbelievable torments, so don’t cry anymore”. Damn. I get the guy is all about jockeying for power, but that was hard core assholery.

    Dany’s in a bad place, and no good news arrived in this episode. That surprised me; I thought she’d meet a certain threesome here. I guess that will happen next episode.

    Tyrion. This was his episode, and he made it work. His scenes with Cersei were incredible; Dinklage deserves another Emmy nod for his reaction to her comments about their mother dying. His repartee with Varys was brilliant, as was his handling of Janos Slynt.

    The Watch scenes were good, but I thought a little slow. I’m surprised they haven’t left Craster’s Keep yet, with all that’s left to happen. I’m still trying to figure out how to process the end scenes.

    All in all, I enjoyed the episode a great deal. I thought it was a step up from last week, and await next week fervently.

    Moleman

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  75. Posted April 8, 2012 at 10:40 pm | Permalink

    Dasein:
    Magnus,

    I understand that. My question was why post?

    Why do dogs pee on trees? “I’m here, smell me!!!”

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  76. spacechampion
    Posted April 8, 2012 at 11:18 pm | Permalink

    moleman:
    Littlefinger is an amoral asshole in this episode.I don’t think that’s a contradiction to the books, but damn, they went out of their way to vilify him.Paraphrasing, “the last whore who cried on my watched suffered unbelievable torments, so don’t cry anymore”.Damn.I get the guy is all about jockeying for power, but that was hard core assholery.

    To me they are seemingly making Littlefinger a total sociopath who can only understand other people’s emotions in an abstract sense. That kind of person doesn’t seem to me capable of the deft manipulation of others that we know is in character for the Littlefinger of the books.

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  77. Posted April 9, 2012 at 12:23 am | Permalink

    a just good episode tonight

    pros:
    - all things Tyrion, as always
    - Arya/Gendry scenes (Lommy Greenhands actually has green hands!)
    - the Iron Islands look exactly as they should & the scenes between all the Greyjoys were great
    - Varys (Conleth Hill) is fantastic… might be my #3 fave in the show behind DInklage & Maisie
    - not needlessly showing Catelyn & Robb
    - GHOST

    cons:
    - they killed Rakharo! i’m glad there was still something to surprise me about the episode after watching the pirated version
    - the Littlefinger/Ros scene was just unnecessary. we don’t need to know Littlefinger is ruthless, we already know that after seeing him turn on Ned in Season 1 & the way he spoke to Cersei in the S2 premiere. this scene was 4 minutes that could have been used elsewhere… like with more Dany scenes perhaps

    mixed:
    - the Stannis/Mel scene was definitely interesting. while never explicitly shown in the books, their relationship was implied. personaly would’ve wished that they kept it more discreet but at the same time i understand why they did so b/c i’m sure they are worried about confusing some viewers without showing the root cause of the Stannis’ shadow baby being birthed by Mel.

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  78. Stannis
    Posted April 9, 2012 at 12:23 am | Permalink

    I will give you a son…

    Melisndre is beeaaauutiful.

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  79. alansmommy3607
    Posted April 9, 2012 at 12:37 am | Permalink

    moleman,

    I thought Tywin Lannister was the one who shaved his head when he started going bald, not Stannis.

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  80. Tyrion Pimpslap
    Posted April 9, 2012 at 1:07 am | Permalink

    Great episode. I don’t understand why people gripe so much about characters not looking like how they imagined. The actress playing Asha/Yara nailed her delivery and swagger.

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  81. Ren Snow
    Posted April 9, 2012 at 4:13 am | Permalink

    alansmommy3607,

    Its supposed to be Tywin, but Stannis is also balding in the books

    And it appears they’ve cut Shireen for good, considering Melisandre’s comments that Selyse hasn’t given him an heir, just stillborns

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  82. Ren Snow
    Posted April 9, 2012 at 4:22 am | Permalink

    spacechampion: n as he started losing his hair, he shaved himself. It’s a small point though, and I believe I’ll get over it. However, does Shireen exist in this world? The relationship between Stannis and Selyse seems radically changed from the books. “She has only given you death” may be played to include a daughter with grayscale, but not to the common viewer. And Selyse was R’hlor’s biggest supporter with Stannis, not shut away in a tower somewhere. I’ll be interested to see how the show takes this plotline.

    Actually, a sociopath is quite adept at manipulation precisely because they can’t empathize with others

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  83. Posted April 9, 2012 at 7:30 am | Permalink

    Ren Snow: And it appears they’ve cut Shireen for good, considering Melisandre’s comments that Selyse hasn’t given him an heir, just stillborns

    well if we trust what Sansa and Septa Mordane were saying last year girls can’t inherit the throne. Haven’t read the other talkback yet so I don’t know if it’s been discussed more deeply there.

    And good to see you happy andrea!

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  84. Rob
    Posted April 9, 2012 at 8:48 am | Permalink

    Not very impressed with episode 2.

    Epic fail on the Asha casting. Not even close. I am supposed to believe that woman is a feared knife wielding leader of the iron born?

    I am all for nudity, when did the show become soft core porn? The littlefinger scene? Why?

    A few bright spots but overall a very weak episode.

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  85. Virtus
    Posted April 9, 2012 at 8:50 am | Permalink

    Rob: I am all for nudity, when did the show become soft core porn?

    In the first episode of season 1? Remember Tyrion with the prostitutes?

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  86. victarion
    Posted April 9, 2012 at 1:53 pm | Permalink

    Man, Stannis’ sounded exactly like Robert’s during his talk with Melisandre.

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  87. andrea
    Posted April 9, 2012 at 9:12 pm | Permalink

    Knurk,

    I´ll keep on paddling too :)

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  88. Posted April 9, 2012 at 9:20 pm | Permalink

    andrea,

    ha, I thought the paddling thing was quite strange. I just rewatched the first Varys-Petyr banter of season 1 on bluray and it’s still good (despite you influencing me)! So far, Varys and Tyrion have some catching up to do.

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  89. Winter Is Coming
    Posted April 9, 2012 at 9:33 pm | Permalink

    Knurk, isn’t that line directly from the books?

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  90. andrea
    Posted April 9, 2012 at 9:38 pm | Permalink

    Knurk: (despite you influencing me)

    ough, so headstrong, just give up.

    Paddling thing was a bad line and quite strange (and crass) for Varys, yes. Better than “gash” though ;)

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  91. Maxwell James
    Posted April 10, 2012 at 11:27 am | Permalink

    andrea,

    I thought the paddling line was actually quite funny, but it might be something that is very peculiar to English. It has a self-deprecating quality that both lightens his threat, while making it seem more confident and ominous at the same time.

    That said, I liked the “gash” line too. Varys might be my favorite character in the show.

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  92. Posted April 10, 2012 at 11:34 am | Permalink

    Winter Is Coming:
    Knurk, isn’t that line directly from the books?

    you are right:

    “You might be disappointed by the result,” Varys replied. “The storms come and go, the waves crash overhead, the big fish eat the little fish, and I keep on paddling. Might I trouble you for a taste of the wine that Lord Slynt enjoyed so much?”

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  93. Posted April 10, 2012 at 12:26 pm | Permalink

    Knurk,

    Well, I don´t care if it´s in the book. I don´t like it but…

    Maxwell James: it might be something that is very peculiar to English.

    Thanks, good explanation. It might be a language thing. I didn´t think about that.
    I like Varys very much too and love Conleth Hill. He is a genius and an exquisite acquisition for tv.
    The “gash” is not a language thing, though. I´ll stand strong with this one.

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  94. moleman
    Posted April 10, 2012 at 11:50 pm | Permalink

    alansmommy3607,

    You are right and I was wrong. D’oh! Thanks, as now I can scratch that annoyance off my list and forget about it (except of course that Tywin is not bald in the series; screw it – I’ll accept “close cropped” and move on).

    Moleman

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  95. Patchy Face
    Posted December 10, 2012 at 7:52 am | Permalink

    weight lifting,

    WiCnet is the ultimate site for Game of Thrones HBO viewers — so glad that new folks continue to join the discussion! The WiCnet folks have been working on this for years and are awesome.

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