“Do you think the path to wealth is always pure?” – Xaro Xhoan Daxos
In this week’s episode, news of the attack on the North reaches Robb Stark, and the young king takes action. Unrest grows among the people of King’s Landing, as Cersei and Tyrion’s feud escalates. Daenerys continues to plot her invasion of Westeros but first must deal with complications in Qarth. The Night’s Watch confront their wildling enemies beyond the Wall, and Jon Snow makes a difficult decision.
Ours is the Fury: I’m really looking forward to the introduction of a certain kissed-by-fire character this week.
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MikeQuote Reply
it looks like Danny is going to do much more damage to Qarth than she did in the books.
Mirri MazQuote Reply
Like each episode before it, this is gonna be the best yet.
you can Iron Bank on that.
The DarkStarQuote Reply
I really miss the short episode clips from last season. Made the seven day wait a BIT easier :)
Mads JensenQuote Reply
I’m intrigued by this spoiler that’s going around that someone shows up at Harrenhal who could identify Arya. a) who could that be? Initially I assumed it would be someone amongst the northerner prisoners brought in, setting up the weasel soup episode, but in the rumour I saw, it was kind of implied that it was someone hostile to Arya who would give her away if he or she saw her. Unless it’s someone we’ve not met before, that means it would have to be from a pretty elite group at K-L??? b) If it’s a new character, that could determine Arya’s second name to Jaqen – someone she has to get rid of pretty sharply to preserve her cover???
Trant. That’s the only existing character I can think of who knows Arya from K-L and who would be minor enough to kill – if Joffers has despatched him up to grandad on some errand or other?? Proponents of S=J would wet themselves if that panned out :D
Nick LarterQuote Reply
Is it wrong that I am jealous of a certain fire-kissed redhead featured (for a split second) in the final shot? Moreover, is it wrong that I am jealous of the sword features in said shot? Who but Jon Snow could make one envy inanimate objects? O.K, I’m going to go now…
LanaQuote Reply
Finally, Ygritte!!
Juanra Castiñeiras de SaaQuote Reply
Episode 16 is looking like a nail-biter. The sight of Roose delivering news from Winterfel has set the butterflies in my stomach a flutter. I’ve been dreading watching the taking of Winterfel and all that follow from it since the very first episode of season 1. I’m going to be a helpless wreck watching the inexorable tragedy unfold on screen.
Digital Spy offers us 10 teasers about ‘The Old Gods and the New
RemaalQuote Reply
Yayyyy lots more Dany and North-Of-The-Wall action! Ygritte!! Eeee!!
I thought we’d be seeing Myrcella’s exit from KL/the riots this episode but if so it’s not hinted in the previews. Guess that’s ep 7.
So… the News Bolton gives Cat… It seems to soon to be the attack on Winterfell. Perhaps they are hearing about Torrhen’s Square and the Ironmen attacking the Northern Coasts?
It looks like Cat is back with Robb – more “Talisa” x Robb stuff next episode?
userjQuote Reply
It’s this week . Trust me on that . Or if you don’t, check the link above you and you will .
Claudiu GherganuQuote Reply
Secret guest in Harrenhal is going to be someone, I think, who Tyrion is going to send there to meet with Tywin because of Stannis danger. That could be Varys, because he has nothing to do in KL (in series) and he was absent from last 2 episodes so D&D maybe sent him to Harrenhal and maybe he will see Arya, but he will not give her away so she will not sent Jaquen on him. Btw. where is Kevan Lannister? He was not in Harrenhal on a war meeting of his brother…
MagogoQuote Reply
Magogo,
I think it’s LF . It makes sense because he knows Arya and he needs to discuss the alliance with the Tyrells with Tywin .
Claudiu GherganuQuote Reply
I think Lana needs a few minutes…
KevinQuote Reply
That’s a nice line of reasoning too. If I’m wrong and it’s not Trant and he doesn’t get Jaqened then I’d be quite happy for it to go along thus.
Nick LarterQuote Reply
@televisionary said this episode has significant changes from the book….and that it’s the best episode of the season.
Can’t wait!
From ChaosQuote Reply
Well I considered that too, but he’d need a jetpack
Nick LarterQuote Reply
Claudiu Gherganu,
Yes, It could be LF, but I think he is too far from Harrenhall, he must come from SE to KL, talk to Tyrion and then he must continue travels. Or maybe that doesn’t matter in series, I dont know…
MagogoQuote Reply
Yes, i know but the way the show has gone with the traveling it’s not that far out of reach .
Claudiu GherganuQuote Reply
Claudiu Gherganu,
true
Nick LarterQuote Reply
Anyone else notice that when someone tweets this, it’s almost always not that significant?
AlanQuote Reply
Magogo,
Episode 3 Littlefinger was in Kings Landing, Beginning of episode 4 Littlefinger was in the Stormlands. I originally thought it was going to be Littlefinger, but I’ve been thinking whoever it is will probably be her 2nd kill, maybe someone we never seen on the show or doesn’t even exist in the books just a made up character from the north who knows who she is.
JamesLQuote Reply
Nick Larter,
It is not going to be Trant— Simply because Trant seems to be taking the place of Ser Mandon Moore… and it will be escential for Pod to kill someone during the Blackwater to save Tyrion, Trant seems like the only logical solution– because he’s been the only Kingsgaurd featured in this season.
DavidBCQuote Reply
Alan,
The changes probably are Danys story as you can tell by the preview there are dead bodies in the one of the Qarth clips so some stuff goes down not in the books.
JamesLQuote Reply
Kevin,
Lol. Make that a few hours… No, just kidding – they don’t allow that sort of thing in the Night’s Watch. ; )
LanaQuote Reply
Arya’s second kill will most likely be Armory Lorch, to avenge Yoren. Seems like the only logical thing they can do…
DavidBCQuote Reply
The big changes definitely seem to be to Dany’s storyline. Looks like some actual crazy stuff doing down there. Seeing as I think most people agree that her original ACOK storyline, other than HOTU is pretty boring, I have no issue with these changes.
JQuote Reply
I saw some speculation that Arya’s surprise vistor might be… Nymeria. (only to be chased off again)
LarsQuote Reply
Very true. But you never know, maybe Littlefinger shows up at the wall and takes the black this episode. 4 blasts for Peter B.!!!
From ChaosQuote Reply
Unless they introduce Mandon Moore in this episode, but I really doubt it…(even though this is when he shows up in the book.)
DavidBCQuote Reply
I hope Roose gives us conformation that he actually has a bastard. Praying for no Ros unless Bolton goes to Kings Landing to make a whore skin suit.
MeekyReekyRamsayQuote Reply
I’ve been very put out by the lack of Pod. I didn’t expect a big role, but I thought we would’ve at least seen his face fairly close up or have him be following Tyrion around a bit more. So I’m hoping for more Pod tonight.
Ours is the FuryQuote Reply
Your logic is sound enough, I suppose they could get someone else – a new character? to do that deed, but as you say Trant does seem to be morphing into Kingsguard everyman – they’ll have him sleeping with Arianne Martell next . That’ll wind folk up :D. I like the Nymeria idea, except that then the idea of Arya at risk of being given away doesn’t really work (unless of course someone sees her with a socking great wolf and puts two and two together). By a process of elimination I think we’re establishing it’s Varys, who decides not to give her away and that Jaqen’s second kill is Lorch. LF in his boots of speed is a possibility, but I can’t think of any reason why he would not give Arya away, whereas I can believe Varys would be more sympathetic.
Nick LarterQuote Reply
I agree. Whoever the visitor is will probably be her second kill. They need to find a reason for her not naming Tywin as her second kill this week. Her life being in immediate danger by this visitor possibly blowing her cover would be a perfect explanation.
I’m looking forward to seeing what they think of to explain her not choosing Tywin as her third kill in weeks to come.
Yep. There certainly seems to be a lot of excitement going on in Qarth that was not in the books. Digital Spy also hinted at a change there that follows from a scene in last week’s episode.
RemaalQuote Reply
The logical choice for #2 would be Ser Amory Lorch, who put the sword in Yoren’s back if this one is not mistaken. Arya would have mad hatred for Lorch, and would have known him from her time in KL. It has been mentioned in other places that somebody steals a dragon from Dany, that would be a big change from the book and add some drama to an otherwise quiet time in Qarth. Dany is seen running frantically in the clip, that would be a good reason to get frantic. The visitor could very well be Nymeria if Arya gets time to visit the godswood alone? There have been no views of her practicing her swordsmanship with a stick, which was frequently mentioned in the book POV chapters. It would be awesome to see Nymeria. And more of my Jaqen of course.
Mrs. H’gharQuote Reply
Do you think Arya naming Jaqen as her third kill will be an episode cliffhanger or just a scene cliffhanger?
sbj2k1Quote Reply
Book Spoiler:
There’s a very good reason in the books for her not killing Tywin. First, I believe he leaves Harrenhal and leaves it to the Goat — who I assume we are not getting and is getting replaced by the Mountain here at least. This is when she gets all regretful for not having been more strategic in her kills.
Second, she needs a way out, so she needs to use her last kill to saver herself — escape and free the prisoners that Vargo Hoat has brought in.
AlanQuote Reply
speaking of Pod, they haven’t done any setting him up for that big scene whatsoever. But at least we get Ros
GRRMQuote Reply
It happens in Episode 8. I like the concept of an episode cliffhanger but I suppose I imagine they may want to foreshadow Episode 9 at the end of Episode 8.
AlanQuote Reply
sbj2k1,
I think it will be a Scene, because you’ll lose the pacing of Jaqen frantic(ness)? if you push it to the next episode.
DavidBCQuote Reply
Remaal,
The reason she wouldn’t pick Tywin for #3 could be that he leaves the castle before she picks number 3, just like in the book when is thinking about number 3, and realizes/regrets that she didn’t pick Tywin when he was there.
SteelyuhasQuote Reply
I doubt it. That would spoil the Blackwater ending.
sunspearQuote Reply
There’s also been a complete absence of Ser Dontos outside of his one scene and his secret messages to Sansa. They need to give her story some hope
GRRMQuote Reply
Im dying for the House of Undying.. Hope they put all the imagery in it, I’ll be sad if they dont
DrewQuote Reply
Arghhhh, I’m not going to watch it. I just wanted to comment that Dany’s dress looks really cool. I like the gold/metal detail on it.
DreamlifeQuote Reply
Last week, we learned that Tyrion is now aware of the massive stockpiles of wildfire in KL and also, of the massive dangers inherent in allowing untrained soldiers handle the stuff. In addition, he is aware of his father’s losses against Robb’s army.
Given that Tywin hasn’t sent any ravens in weeks, Tyrion might well decide to send a courier they both trust in order to propose a mutually beneficial trade: Tyrion gets several hundred battle-hardened troops and in return, Tywin gets hundreds of flasks of wildfire.
However, Tyrion would have to make this look as if this had been approved by Joffrey. After all, Tywin had sent him to KL in his own stead as Hand of the King. The most credible messenger in this context might be the Hound, as he’s a member of the Kingsguard who has a rapport with Tyrion regarding Joffrey. Even so, Tyrion would presumably insist that the message was for Tywin’s eyes only.
Arya would definitely recognize this courier, both from hearsay and from the tourney. I’m not sure if he would recognize her but he might not say anything even if he did, figuring it was an issue above his pay grade. We might even get to see a brief, tense moment featuring him and the Mountain That Embraced Jenny Craig!
All of the above is, of course, pure speculation on my part.
Nagga’s KinQuote Reply
They really should move me to Harrenhal. I’m getting tired of carrying messages to King Robb as though I’m a mere messenger. Such menial work. I have Lannisters to flay and leeches to spend quality time with.
In other news, why is there still no promo image of me crossing my arms?
Roose BoltonQuote Reply
Alan,
I agree. I like the idea of making non-book readers go through the same thing the target does for a whole week, as opposed to a few mins.
DavidBC,
I think they could accomplish the same franticness if the pick up the story from that point, a week later. Makes for a more dramatic WFT moment the week before.
sbj2k1Quote Reply
MeekyReekyRamsay,
I must admit I agree with your sentiments.
Roose BoltonQuote Reply
Alan,
Steelyuhas,
Yes, I realize that’s the explanation presented in the book – which to be honest I found to be a bit tenuous while reading – but in the show they have her privy to Tywin’s war council and his deliberations regarding Robb, which should make him a more constant presence in her mind as a real and unwavering threat to her brother & mother, much more so than in the books.
It could work if they phrase and sequence properly, I suppose. We’ll see.
RemaalQuote Reply
Remaal,
Thanks so much for posting this!
Here are the quotations from the article–I think I can guess where most come from, but on others, am at a loss.
“I need fighters, not kitchen sluts!” Theon to Osha at Winterfell
“Maybe you should devise our next battle plan while you’re about it.” Tyrion to Cersei or potentially Quorin/one of the three men with him to Jon
“Strike hard and true, Jon Snow, or I’ll come back and haunt you.” Hmmm, I wonder : )
“I’m no ordinary woman – my dreams come true!” No idea–Myrcella, Ygritte or Cersei? Shae perhaps?
“Kill them – kill them all!” Guessing Joffrey to the starving crowds in KL. Little turd. Hope Tyrion can slap some sense into him, or at least just slap him.
IsabelleQuote Reply
Ok I just seen a a preview picture of a certain individual of this episode . I think i’m sure now who Arya sees at Harrenhal .
Claudiu GherganuQuote Reply
Roose Bolton,
HBO is just worried that if they glamorize you too much, the viewers may fall in love with you.
And that would be bad.
Jaime LannisterQuote Reply
“We have been waiting for him to fail, he is not going to fail. Not without our help.”
Tywin’s quote from prev. episode. [book 3 spoilers]I think not long after that, Tywin’s plan has been set in motion. I think, he has bought Roose Bolton, who will go North to “help” WF(how else would Robb “act”, as the summary says) and I think the Red Wedding will be a Frey only afair. Which in turn means, that the whole Stark downfall would be orchestrared by Tywin(while in the books, the Bastard of Bolton acted pretty much on his own, iirc). As a book fan, I wouldn’t be too happy, if the things turn in that direction, but as a viewer I actually think it would work. It would be in line with general simplification(without too much damage), that seems to be the key guideline for the writers (this season more than last). Hope it makes sense. :)
PepiQuote Reply
Actually, I think this gives her an even better reason not to kill him. She’s his cup bearer, she could say she thought she could kill him herself.
sunspearQuote Reply
Claudiu Gherganu,
Don’t just tease, spill the beans! :)
Cristian FarQuote Reply
Claudiu Gherganu,
Do tell. You can’t say that and then not elaborate. :(
Jaime LannisterQuote Reply
He could always hitch a ride on the rocket-powered turnip cart that Ros took to KLing.
EdQuote Reply
:) most welcome.
This one: “I’m no ordinary woman – my dreams come true!” I’m guessing is Osha talking to Theon or one of his men.
RemaalQuote Reply
LOL!!!!! Hahahahahahaaaa…
EdQuote Reply
“I’m no ordinary woman – my dreams come true!”
Sounds like Melisandre to me…..
WeirwoodQuote Reply
My first thought regarding Arya not naming Tywin to Jaqen was that for the moment, Tywin is her saving grace. He is the bad guy, but he keeps his minions in check and is helping her and her friends stay alive. Besides, she can’t kill him.. Tyrion needs to talk to his daddy first.
sbj2k1
Posted May 4, 2012 at 3:10 pm | Permalink
Do you think Arya naming Jaqen as her third kill will be an episode cliffhanger or just a scene cliffhanger?
Good question, but I think it would be more of a scene cliffhanger, just because I don’t see it as such a big deal.. compared to other plots. Not that it isn’t a big deal, because that part is very “WOAH.. hold one stinking minute girly!” I can’t wait to see that! Arya doesn’t play around!
MimsyQuote Reply
I can’t say here because I don’t know how to do the spoiler thing . Just look for photos of The Old gods and the new and you will find it .
Claudiu GherganuQuote Reply
http://images5.fanpop.com/image/photos/30700000/2×06-The-Old-Gods-and-the-New-game-of-thrones-30718526-1024-576.png
How about this ? That background looks like Harrenhal to me.
Claudiu GherganuQuote Reply
Yeah that’s Harrenhal.
I guess he really does have a jetpack.
MormegilQuote Reply
Claudiu Gherganu,
If this turns out to be true…I like it. A great way to show that Littlefinger is playing his own game. It ties in great with Cersei demanding he find Arya for her and he just letting Arya walk. It will really mess with the viewers trying to figure out what he is up too.
fuelpaganQuote Reply
Mormegil,
There are no jetpacks in westeros. It is his magic underpants.
fuelpaganQuote Reply
absolutely no conclusive evidence that that is Harrenhall. In fact it looks like the candle holders that fill up Renly/Stannis’ tents to me.
In other news: I JUST MADE UP A RUMOR THAT THE EPISODE WILL BE 2 HOURS LONG! isn’t that awesome?
KingthlayerQuote Reply
Kingthlayer,
But didn’t he fled from the tents last episode ?
Claudiu GherganuQuote Reply
Well, I suppose if Cat can make it from the Storm lands to wherever Robb is supposed to be – somewhere in the Westerland or the Riverlands – and if Theon can make it from the Iron Islands to Winterfell by way of Torrhen Sq, all in the space of one TV week, then I suppose Littlefinger can make it to Harrenhal.
Who knew Westeros had such an amazing commuting system? When the time comes, this amazing skill at speed-travel alone should cut half a season off AFFC/ADWD. lol
RemaalQuote Reply
Go look at the Tywin/Arya scene. Same candle holders and the chair in the foreground is the same as the ones in the Tywin/Arya scene.
2 Hours Long? Great.
MormegilQuote Reply
I don’t think it’s really tenuous in the books. She’s 8 there. But even here, her next kill will likely be to prevent her exposure — so yes, that would take precendence — and then if Tywin leaves suddenly, what’s she going to do? Jaqen would just show up. Additional, I don’t blame Arya one bit for not sacrificing herself to kill Tywin Lannister — who I’m sure she knows but probably doesn’t really grasp how important he is to that family.
AlanQuote Reply
my impression is that he would be going to Highgarden with the Tyrells but I might be wrong.
Did you guys hear that the next episode is 2 hours long! sweet.
KingthlayerQuote Reply
You’re going to have to wait for Episode 10.
AlanQuote Reply
It’d be great if you were actually as funny as you think you are.
Steven SwansonQuote Reply
Team Lollys!! Who’s with me? I accept upwards of 100 motivated townspeople in my club =)
LollysQuote Reply
I agree
KingthlayerQuote Reply
So what’s this I’m hearing about the episode being two (count ‘em, two!) hours long…? ;)
But yeah, that definitely looks like Harrenhal, although I could very well be wrong. I think the “big change” coming in this episode has more to do with Dany’s storyline, though. Which is fine with me, as long as that one insignificant character says that one insignificant line then does that one significant thing (because I honestly think this show could use a couple dozen more characters) – if that doesn’t happen they’ll have ruined everything.
Pastor_of_MuppetsQuote Reply
I’m not even getting that it’s a joke… what’s that all about?
Restore The DayQuote Reply
Littlefinger has to have a scene in harrenhal. Thats Canon. He makes the deal that allies the Tyrells and Lannisters. It makes too much sense. Littlefinger won’t rat out Arya because of the Threat he received from Cersei. Littlefinger doesn’t like threats ;)
AngelQuote Reply
Eeek! That fits maddeningly well!
IsabelleQuote Reply
Hear that, everyone? That’s the sound of a guillotine coming down on Jojen Reed’s head.
:(
ThePinkDragonQuote Reply
Examiner.com has a few more tiny hints. including:
Game of Thrones episode 6 will introduce yet another new character, one who will have a famous catch-phrase that will have the book fans saying from here on out.
http://www.examiner.com/article/game-of-thrones-season-2-preview-episode-6-the-old-gods-and-the-new
WeirwoodQuote Reply
I’m going to suggest as an outside possibility, that it’ll be Janos Slynt on his way to the wall, or seeking refuge in the castle that was briefly his, having evaded his captors.
Arya has an excellent reason to want him dead, especially if he recognises her.
It’ll mean a bit of a rewrite for a later series but D&D have killed off characters early before.
My other theory is that Ros will go to Harrenhal and Arya will kill her just for the hell of it.
Lazlo WoodbineQuote Reply
Arya’s Suprise Visitor: I just assumed it was going to be Roose Bolton on his way to Winterfell Besides him, it is most likley Ros, who fled KL after she shoved an antlered scepter in some ho’s goonya. Nymeria would be cool though.
TenesmusQuote Reply
Nick Larter,
I so agree with all of this, it was my theory too. It would have been good though if Ser Meryn had made her list as he had in the books. The Tickler, too. Revenge shouldn’t be an abstract concept for Arya Stark.
SkipjackQuote Reply
This one is easy.
“You know nothing, Jon Snow.”
SyrioQuote Reply
Since they already killed the Tickler, then Arya’s second choice is fairly obvious. If my mind serves me well, he died in the same encounter with the Tickler in book 4, so I would think there is no reason to keep him around much longer.
Magnar of ThennQuote Reply
ThePinkDragon,
Only if I’m right. The better odds are always in favour of my predictions being completely wrong. :)
RemaalQuote Reply
Syrio,
I was kinda hoping it was something new/original….. but I suspect that you are correct….
WeirwoodQuote Reply
Pepi,
This could also change Arya’s arc in Season 3, she could flee harrenhall to warn Robb about Roose’s scheme. She might hear Tywin and Roose, or even LF, mention the Freys and we would get some nice foreshadowing for RW next year. Also, after Cat lets Jamie go, Rob could banish her and she heads off to river run, setting that site up fopr next seaon.
TenesmusQuote Reply
Tenesmus,
It’s littlefinger to talk with Tywin @ Harenhall re: the Tyrells. Roose doesn’t go to Winterfell, he informs Robb that he’ll send his Bastard son who’s at the Dreadfort to rescue Wintefell from Theon.
FlayedManOfBKQuote Reply
“And remember TV fans, you know nothing, but you will understand soon.”
Heh.
MikeQuote Reply
Magnar of Thenn,
There is a reason to keep Polliver around because this scene was awesome in Storm of Swords, and they wouldn’t cut it… It actually makes more sense now because the auidence doesn’t have to keep track of who the Tickler is, but they will know who Polliver is because he has Needle.
DavidBCQuote Reply
I have a pretty good guess as to what that quote is. “you know nothing jon snow”
Prince of WinterfellQuote Reply
Prince of Winterfell,
Damn! I am hoping it isn’t something so obvious….. :(
WeirwoodQuote Reply
DavidBC,
unless they decide that they are re-united sooner rather than later. And sadly for him, he is very conviniently located in Herenhall.
Let’s just say that I believe they will begin deviating from the books to a far greater extent after Book 3. We are starting to see them keep parts of the books, but populated with different characters, so I believe some famous parts from books 4 and 5 will still be kept, but with different players.
Magnar of ThennQuote Reply
I was bored at work and thought I was funny. I was funny only to me.
kingthlayerQuote Reply
TVGuide has put up a little summary for this episode http://www.tvguide.com/News/Weekend-TV-Roundup-1046958.aspx
“MORE SUNDAY GOODNESS: The hits just keep on coming on Sundays, including HBO’s strongest lineup of originals in quite some time. In a spectacular and, as usual, sprawling installment of Game of Thrones (9/8c), there are crucial tests of leadership and manhood for Theon Greyjoy as he makes his move to occupy Winterfell and for Jon Snow in the snowy North as his Night Watch away team encounters a tribe of Wildlings. Back in Kings Landing, Tyrion memorably squares off against the horrid little King Joffrey after chaos erupts on the unruly streets, and in the desert city of Qarth, “mother of dragons” Daenerys works the local merchants to invest in her crusade to take back the Seven Kingdoms. But as usual, my heart belongs to adorable Arya Stark, who bonds with brutal Tywin Lannister over the importance of reading while staving off several close calls at exposing her secret identity. I can’t believe we’re already past the halfway point of this bustling season.”
A few critics on twitter have said this is the best one so far this season and looking at the summary it’s definitely seems like it’s going to be the most exciting episode yet for season 2.
JamesLQuote Reply
I think Arya’s second killing wish will be this person who could out her identity. Then she has to place her third killing wish on we know who, because Tywin dashes to King
‘s Landing to meet Stannis’s assault. This takes Tywin out of the game at Harrenhal. Tywin leaves Lorch in charge and unknowingly takes himself out of harm’s way. Then everyone knows the title to Episode 20, don’t we?
Lord Of LiteQuote Reply
Weirwood,
Weirwood, or maybe we will be saying “You know nothing, Syrio.”
Dark StarQuote Reply
Pastor_of_Muppets,
“I think the “big change” coming in this episode has more to do with Dany’s storyline, though. Which is fine with me, as long as that one insignificant character says that one insignificant line then does that one significant thing (because I honestly think this show could use a couple dozen more characters) – if that doesn’t happen they’ll have ruined everything.”
It’s bothering me that I can’t figure out what your talking about.
JamesLQuote Reply
Since that whole plot doesn’t come into focus until season 3 at least, I could see him reappearing in episode 20 as a teaser for next season.
MWQuote Reply
So I went to see the Avengers tonight, who else got the giggles when Loki said: “There are no men like me.” And someone I already forgot said: “Not today.”
KnurkQuote Reply
JamesL,
I was being facetious.
Pastor_of_MuppetsQuote Reply
I really don’t like the sound of that. Is that how they plan to explain her not naming him for the kill? She bonds with him?! :/
RemaalQuote Reply
Remaal,
Um the writer is probably being somewhat sarcastic there…
Joshua TaylorQuote Reply
Joshua Taylor,
I hope you’re right.
RemaalQuote Reply
Remaal,
Wow…
That and “smallfolk” aren’t readers. Only highborn children are taught how to read.
Wouldn’t that raise his suspicion on who she is? Thank god Cersei didn’t tell anyone, but Tyrion, that Arya is missing…
ArthurQuote Reply
Lana,
Rorge and Biter?
Jen A.Quote Reply
Okay so this is a brainfart stemming from the Dagmer=Ramsay theory. If we are to assume that Dagmer is Roose’s bastard brother or something of the like, then his meet and greet with Theon at the quay in Lordsport is starting to make sense in this regard. Roose would have known that Theon was dispatched to the Iron Islands to win Balon to Robb’s side against the Lannisters. Dagmer or Ramsay could have hid on the boat that brought Theon over following Roose’s instructions to see how the situation with Balon played out. Shrewd customer that he is, Roose knew what the outcome would be and sent Ramsay to Pyke with Theon to begin planning the attack on Winterfell with the Ironmen. But for this theory to work the writers would have to come up with a story as to why the other Ironborn on the Sea Bitch were not aware of the new crewmember/new face.
Perhaps Dagmer is an agent of Ramsay or a sellsword hired to coerce Theon so that Winterfell would be ready for Ramsay’s taking?
Or…the rumour about Bolton’s bastard being mentioned next episode is true, and Ramsay is going to show up in full plate armour (or secretly cast…come on Andrew Scott) and stick it to Rodrik and co on the pretence of reinforcing Winterfell. As for the great Dagmer scene that Alfie Allen is talking about, perhaps Dagmer will die in this version, killed dramatically by Ramsay in the last minutes of the finale? I have a scenario in my head about Ramsay storming Winterfell and after killing Dagmer greets Theon like an old friend, talking about their days as boys and how Theon looked down upon him. Or something of the sort. Whereby he ends the conversation with an incapacitating blow to Theon’s head. Maybe he spears Luwin, cut to Bran, Hodor, Rickon and Osha emerging from the crypts followed by the final scene with the Fist of the First Men.
Joshua TaylorQuote Reply
not sure why my last note had the wrong quote.. but – I thought the very same thing….
I really enjoyed it though.
freoduwebbeQuote Reply
Will we see the House of the Undying? Will they do the flashbacks? I am really hoping for the full fledge dark, twisted craziness of that part of the books. Thoughts?
NicoleQuote Reply
Can anybody score some sourleaf?
Duskendale dudeQuote Reply
by flashbacks I mean visions — House of the Undying. . . someone please respond! (WIC) :-)
NicoleQuote Reply
We’ve already heard that the final scene is a Bran scene, just fyi. (And we know D&D played a joke on Alfie but writing “Theon dies” on his script, then telling him later he would indeed be back.) So that final scene has to be when they leave the crypts. But I do hope for the Fist of the Northmen three-blows scene at the cliffhanger!
ZachQuote Reply
It looks like Myrcella is crying. I thought Tommen was the weepy one? Uh oh, some people are going to make a big thing out of this like with the peach.
TimQuote Reply
In the Episode Guide the implication is that Dany will receive an invitation the the House of the Undying in Episode 17, and perhaps goes in Episode 18 against Jorah’s advise. The craziness will come. Patience grasshopper.
Mrs. H’gharQuote Reply
Zach,
That was the final scene they filmed, it doesn’t mean it will be the final shot of the season. The scenes are all filmed out of order.
JamesLQuote Reply
You guys sure can come up with some interesting theories :P
I’m excited to see Myrcella’s departure, though. That should be a cool scene, especially if Tyrion kicks Joffrey and shouts that it should have been him to die and all that. Deffinitely something the audience can cheer for.
AndrewQuote Reply
RygarQuote Reply
I hope this isn’t the case, as it would ruin what I felt was one of the best moments from ADwD, that being when Jon beheads him.
LordDavos12Quote Reply
D&D aren’t that foolish. Janos is the guy who everyone expects to be named Lord Commander of the Night’s Watch before Sam convinces the other brothers to vote for Jon. And yes, Jon beheading the guy who had a part in Ned’s beheading was one of the best parts of ADWD.
Tyrion PimpslapQuote Reply
LordDavos12,
I agree. I loved that part of the book.
However, if D&D secretly think that they won’t get as far as ADWD in the series, then it’ll be nice to see him get his comeuppance early.
Lazlo WoodbineQuote Reply
The HBO synopsis for Episode 2.10- Valar Morghulis is out.
Episode #20: “Valar Morghulis”: Tyrion awakens to a changed situation. King Joffrey doles out rewards to his subjects. As Theon stirs his men to action, Luwin offers some final advice. Brienne silences Jaime; Arya receives a gift from Jaqen; Dany goes to a strange place; Jon proves himself to Qhorin. (Written by David Benioff and D.B. Weiss; directed by Alan Taylor.) (TV-MA)
darquemodeQuote Reply
Well, we now know which episode the ‘House of the Undying’ will be in.
Tyrion PimpslapQuote Reply
Tyrion Pimpslap,
My thoughs exactly…
Also, I wonder how Brienne will silence Jaime. I doubt they would have her slice off his hand would they? It would add some drama and intensity for sure, but it feels wrong to me… Maybe just having her soundly defeat him after he picks up Cleos’ sword and attacks her? Hmmm…
darquemodeQuote Reply
So Jon’s arc ends with Jon killing Qhorin, Dany’s ends in the HOTU, Tyrion’s ends with Tywin coming home and taking over the Handship. But what’s Theon upto? Is he stirring his men to defend against a Bolton attack?
Brienne silencing Jaime? I agree with darquemode, I doubt it’s anything more than her kicking his ass in a fight?
RemaalQuote Reply
I think I like this. THOTUis arguably the highlight of Danys story in ACOK, so ending it there seems about right. Theres no outdoing her ending in season 1, but it looks as though they are trying to at least somewhat satisfy the probably sky-high expectations of non-readers. Also, this could mean they are going all-out for this scene(s).
sjweningsQuote Reply
Quick question? is weasel soup taken out in the tv-series altogether or will it appear, what you think? Indication is that its taken out?
Paul pluttQuote Reply
They’ve named the gaoler Weasel which suggests they are keeping some varient of Weasel soup.
MormegilQuote Reply
darquemode,
I doubt it, and I really hope it doesn’t happen – It would totally ruin the dynamic of their relationship and, IMO, Jamie and Brienne’s relationship is one of the most ambiguous and interesting in the books. I hope they manage to reflect that in the show – I certainly think the actors are good enough for it.
AJCQuote Reply
Sure sounds like Luwin is going to die. That is likely good news for the Reeds in the future. I’m now revising my opinion that they will probably show up in season 3 to exttend Brans fairly short arc.
House SnowQuote Reply
Paul plutt,
In episode 8 synopsis we have:
That’s when we’ll have Jaqen being coerced by Arya into helping her escape, and what will most likely be the show’s equivalent of the book’s weasel soup.
RemaalQuote Reply
If the episode 10 synopsis are taking us where I think it will end, then it looks like they are saving the last part of A clash of Kings till the beginning of season 3 giving room to introduce all those characters and events still to come.
DanielQuote Reply
It will be hard to match the intensity of the birth of the dragons at the end of season 1. Then again, it wasn’t as much of a surprise in the show as it was in the book. One of my few small nitpicks on the season – too much foreshadowing with the eggs. Having you know who turn up alive may even be more powerful and surprising, if done right.
BgapQuote Reply
ThePinkDragon,
(Whispers to Jaqen) Ok good job on the Reeds. Now take out the Blackfish for me.
KGQuote Reply
Bgap,
Hopefully we will see Ser Barristan in the last episode. Newbies really liked his character and believe he has been completely forgotten.
Joshua TaylorQuote Reply
Someone played the mad king! Look here: http://frontlineactors.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/04/LiamBurke.pdf
bonQuote Reply
bon,
Nice catch! Thanks for the info….
I always assumed they would need an Aerys for that bit of Dany’s vision in The Hosue of the Undying. Nice to know that we will get a good look at the Mad King though! Maybe they will even play that vision out a bit more than the flash in the books?
darquemodeQuote Reply
I’m guessing that was part of the shooting for the original pilot – before they decided to stop using flashbacks.
LarsQuote Reply
Ours is the Fury,
Yes, I thought by now they would have had him more around than just an off-hand mention and one appearence at Tyrion’s dinner with Janos Slynt.
JeremyQuote Reply
Yeah I’m guessing that was from the scene of Brandon and Rickards death that was filmed but never used.
I suppose it could still be inserted into the upcoming HotU as one of the visions.
MormegilQuote Reply
I’ve always thought it was done as part of the main filming but I could be wrong.
MormegilQuote Reply
Brienne silences Jaime;
eeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee
userjQuote Reply
I watched the new Conan tonight, and who was Conan’s buddy for part of the film, why it’s Zora Zora Ducksauce!
purplejillyQuote Reply
Bgap,
My guess at the big cliffhanger for the season would be the prologue from ASOS. They have already started setting us up for it and I think it would have the intensity to keep us all obsessed until next year.
shaggydogQuote Reply
Yeah, he was pretty good in that! But that movie could have been so much better, if it had a better script.
LexQuote Reply
darquemode,
Cool, cool. So one of the final scenes will be at the House of the Undying. Very appropriate, since Dany’s visions foretell important events in Season 3. It would also include a final scene with her dragons!
Chai_latteQuote Reply
Personally I hope the last scane of the Daenerys storyline will be when we see Ser Barristan introduce himself as Arstan the squire
Lyonel the RedQuote Reply
I doubt that D&D will introduce Ser Barristan as Arstan the squire. Strong Belwas has not been cast.
TurncloakQuote Reply
As much as I love Strong Belwas, he seems like a pretty cuttable character to me.
JQuote Reply
I was Bumed when Loki forgot the other half of his line “only me”
TurncloakQuote Reply
J,
I agree, though I like the character very much so I do hope they cast him.
as far as I remember he’s more like a background character with only a few major scenes in the books
DanielQuote Reply
Chai_latte,
If it’s done well it will be like Joss Whedon’s “Restless” at the end of BTVS Season 4, a series of dream vignettes that foreshadow many events to come in the series.
Love that Alan Taylor is directing.
And to other comments made on this topic, how does the non-casting of Strong Belwas this season imply that we will not see Barristan/Arstan?
Joshua TaylorQuote Reply
It does if you assume we won’t have one without the other. I think it’s just as likely the big guy won’t be cast at all (which would bum me out but wouldn’t surprise me), although then Arstan won’t have anybody to “squire” for.
Steven SwansonQuote Reply