Episode 19 – Blackwater – Open Chat

Holy hell, Sophie Turner looks gorgeous here !

I’ve been waiting for BlackWater episode since the show aired.. It’s has to be EPIC!!

hey, ho… let’s go. hey, ho… let’s go!!!

Joffrey’s armor is badass, looks like half the budget might have went to making it.

Sansa <3
FTW man

I hope we see Joffery shit his pants :p
Those are brave men knocking at our door. Let’s go kill them!

A guess based on some of what we saw in one of the trailer’s for this week’s episode:
Lancel, not Podrick, will save Tyrion. That’s just a complete guess, and I could be entirely wrong, but a) we haven’t really seen much of Podrick in the show, so giving him a “saves the day” moment might be pretty jarring to non-book readers, and b) Lancel and Tyrion have had a number of moments together this season, so playing up their relationship even more might make some sense..

Again, that’s just a shot-in-the-dark guess, but it would make a fair bit of sense to me.

MRR,

I think its more likely Lancel will take Mandon Moore’s place and try to kill Tyrion.

The Red Wedding,

Not a Fan at all, and I really really wanted to like it.

The Red Wedding,

Nothing fancy seems appropriate for a dour dirge. I thought it was spot-on, musically. The only thing that would improve it in my mind is for it to be sung with a British accent, to match the rest of the Westerosi on the show.

nightwolf:
The Red Wedding,

Not a Fan at all, and I really really wanted to like it.

Seriously ? I think it’s awesome, it fits the mood perfectly and it’s way better than those other modern version ones on youtube .

It was Renly! It was Renly! It was Reny!

I have to wait a little while longer as the sky box stupidly decided to record last weeks ep this week and next week record this weeks one, Gargh stupid thing, but will hopefully watch it by other means . Hey it means that I have GOT a little longer

Arg! I can’t look under the spoiler tags on my mobile phone. We’re on the road headed home, should get there in plenty of time to see it. Most looking forward to… oh, everything. I’ll be back when I can get on an actual computer!

I wont lie, I have the biggest crush on Sansa (im only 18 lol). The girl is just completely drop dead gorgeous!

Sarah,

Erm you do realize Game Of Thrones is repeated all week on Sky Atlantic, hell it’s shown twice on Mondays.

horse lord:
I wont lie, I have the biggest crush on Sansa (im only 18 lol). The girl is just completely drop dead gorgeous!

Hear hear ,don’t we all

@ night wolf I was also bit disappointed ,probably if some one well know had sung it

Uncle Stannis is coming to dinner…

So excited! Not just for the battle, but because GRRM wrote this episode himself.

CAN’T WAIT!

P.S. That photo is great. Love Joff’s armour, and Sansa looks amazing.

Btw winter is coming ,love the new iPad version,much easier to view the site:).only criticism is that you might want to fix a few bugs I cannot Reply and Quote other people’s comments but other than that it is great

Comments to come later from all of us lovable geeks:

Battle wasn’t long enough.

There wasn’t a chain.

Not enough wildfire.

It was shot too dark.

And other assorted complaints!

My only problem with the version of ‘The Rains of Castamere’ on the soundtrack was that the singer didn’t sound British enough. Other than that I thought it fit well with how it was described. It is not supposed to be upbeat. It is supposed to be sad and depressing. After all, it is a dirge.

I’m watching Star Wars Return of the Jedi again and all I can think about is Blackwater.

… that blast came from the Three Whores!

… we can’t repel wildfire of that magnitude!

Piss on your stupid chain. Jesus.

Can’t wait to see who Davos faces off against, personally. I have a feeling he’ll cross swords with Bronn.

Kaeth:
MRR,

I thought the same exact thing when i saw the trailer and the shot of lancel.

Episode 9 spoilers from people who have seen the episode: Mandon Moore does try to kill Tyrion and Podrick saves him.

DP,

I could definitely see that too, but apparently MM is in there. I’m thinking Bronns not going to make it

I can’t help but laugh my ass off at Joffrey in armour.

Mrs. H’ghar,

Holy shit, Jack is witty…

“what’s your favourite book?”

“I hear Facebook is good. Only seen the cover, though.”

<3

DP:
nightwolf,
I think Bronn will take the place of Mandon Moore. When you think about it…he doesn’t do that much after the second book….

LOLWUT
Away with ye, troll, fetch your memory.

Tried not to get too excited about Blackwater, but too late. I’m too excited. Just wish this ep was 2 hours long.

The Kingslayer,

It doesn’t show up for some reason it is really weird.

Disappointed there wasn’t the build up with creating the chain. Can’t wait to see all the fire!!!

Booey:
Disappointed there wasn’t the build up with creating the chain.Can’t wait to see all the fire!!!

That is because there is no chain.

Looking forward to the Dogs reaction to the wildfire and the beach storming scene …

I sent him a pro-Joffrey tweet but no response, alas.

LordStarkington:
I sent him a pro-Joffrey tweet but no response, alas.

Bet he got TONS of tweets and I hear they come pretty quicky for the celebs so they only can grab a few to answer. So thrilled I got a “sup” from the king! Even though this woman is Team Stark.

Lex: We have the best cast! I’ve had Twitter repllies from Bran, Hodor, and Syrio. :)

So fun, right? I’m just figuring out twitter, don’t always get it right though, think I need a tutorial!

MRR:
Mormegil,

nightwolf,

Yeah, I had also considered the possibility that Lancel would take the role of Ser Moore, but the attempt on Tyrion’s life has less emotional resonance than the attempt to save it. As such, the attempted killer doesn’t need to be anyone we care about, but the person who saves him ought to be. The books don’t really tell us much about Mandon Moore – he’s just a faceless Kingsguard goon, and we don’t really know anything about him other than that – so I don’t see a problem with the fact that we haven’t heard much of him on the show either. All we really need to know about him is who likely put him up to the task. I actually think they might have Boros Blount do the job instead, since he’s much more recognizable as a villainous Kingsguard in the show, but… who knows?

Then again, this is the episode GRRM wrote for this season, so it might stay pretty true to the books. We shall see…

Plus it’d cut the scene where Lancel complains to the queen and she smashes him in his wound and almost kills him. I liked that scene.

Prankster,

Next week’s episode is 64 minutes ten minutes longer than the average episode so i’m sure they’ll be some room to breath. Robb/Cat/Theon/Jaime all don’t have much to do so it’ll probably be one scene for them and then we’ll spend the rest with Jon/Nights Watch an Danny where the majority of the action is.

Gaaahhhh I screwed that all up, I tried to put on spoiler tags, didnt see the button there. I sent a request to have it deleted, sorry.

The Red Wedding,

Long time lurker, but this is my first post. It’s a dumb question. How do you access the iPad version of the site? In safari it looks like the normal web page (and it can’t read the spoiler tags). Is there something i need to do to get the iPad version to show? In Opera mini it doesn’t render properly at all and I can’t see anything. Thanks for any thoughts.

I just shaved every hair on my body in preparation for this battle. More aerodynamic. Go Team Joff Baratheon! Halfman! Halfman!

Davos is DA MAN!

Just thought I’d put that out there…

Mirri Maz:

Next week’s episode is 64 minutes ten minutes longer than the average episode so i’m sure they’ll be some room to breath. Robb/Cat/Theon/Jaime all don’t have much to do so it’ll probably be one scene for them and then we’ll spend the rest with Jon/Nights Watch an Danny where the majority of the action is.

Didn’t know this was going to be an extra-long ep, that’s cool. (How long was the premiere? That was the last time we saw every single plot thread in a single episode, I believe…) I actually think they could trim Jaime/Brienne and Bran entirely from the episode if they had to; their stories have reached a natural pausing point for the time being. (Since I doubt Winterfell’s going to be burned down next week, there’s not really anything for Bran to do. And while watching Jaime and Brienne is always going to be entertaining, there’s no natural “climactic” element to their story.) Arya is obviously going to be there, since the episode’s called “Valar Morghulis”, and they’re probably going to do something with Theon to conclude his arc this season. Cat and Robb’s situation needs some kind of temporary resolution, but yeah, it could be done in a scene.

I’m actually guessing that tonight’s episode ends with Tyrion taking an axe to the face (and all the non-book readers going, “ARRRRGH!!!”), then we’ll have a quick scene of Tyrion waking up and surveying the damage in the finale, but that’ll be all for now. Likewise, there may be a short scene of Davos post-shipwreck. We might also check in on Cersei and Sansa.

But you’re right, with any luck the bulk of the episode will be devoted to Dany and Jon.

Gay for Cersei:
Oh man, better ask my husband how to Tweet cuz if I do and get a reply from Lena Headey I can die content lol

But seriously, that is cool, Mrs. H’ghar. The cast do seem good peeps. And I sure hope it’s LIES that Jack Gleeson will quit acting… whyyyyyy??I’d love to see more from him in the future.Don’t do it, Jack!

Jack Gleeson has said he wants to study philosophy for awhile and has said he’d quit acting. Maybe after a break he’ll miss it and return, let’s hope so!

Cannot wait for the scene where Cersei drunkenly explains to Sansa why Illyn Pain is there.That is one of my all time favorite scenes in the book. I love it when Cersei goes Full-on Cersei.

I predict most of the post show complaints to be about Sansa, lack of or interactions with the Hound etc…battening down the hatches for that!

Also Mads Mikkleson won best actor at Cannes, so chances of him joining the cast at some stage seem low.

Eooorrrr????:

I think you’re missing some of the big points of that event. The main thing was that it was a random kingsguard member who had never before shown inclinations of hating Tyrion or working for Cercsei

And I think you are missing the same thing that Tyrion in the books missed: there is NO EVIDENCE that Cersei was the one who tried to have him killed. GRRM NEVER tells us who was behind it. Tyrion assumes it is Cersei, but even our seeing inside Cersei’s head does not confirm it.

Who else? Littlefinger (unlikely), Tywin (unlikely), and — above all — Joffrey (the OTHER distinct possibility that Tyrion ignores). Indeed, direct and unsubtle is EXACTLY Joff’s style — remember Bran? And in the TV series — frankly — Joffrey calling for his own Kingsguard to make the hit makes a lot more sense, too. Joff does not like his Uncle at all and would be HAPPY to see him dead.

Michelle,

If I can wait 11 years for A Dance with Dragons, I can wait 9 months for Season 3.

When I was reading the books I was actually hoping that Tryion would die so Joffrey would lose the throne.

sjwenings,

There will be CG soldiers. And they used 400 extras.

Lyanna of Winterfell: I actually think the showrunners are doing a great job of putting in SanSan scenes.I find it kind of funny how some fans imagine a much more detailed romance than is actually in the text– much like a certain little bird imagining a certain little kiss.

I hope they include the Hound holding a knife to Sansa’s throat and threatening to kill her if she doesn’t sing him a song. Nothing screams romance quite like that.

Carne,

i’ve read people thinking that photo is from a deleted scene from episode 3, cause she is wearing a grey dress and tonight she’ll wear another gown. i’m not sure if you meant that that pic may be from tonight and him threatening to kill her if she doesn’t sing for him, but i think they did leave that scene for sansa’s bedroom rather than on the serpentine steps like in the pic cause of a little momemt in the preview where sansa is sitting in her room and turns around towards the door… so i’m guessing sandor will go to her rooms and she’ll already be there, unlike in the books :)

Mormegil: Why namecheck MM last week then?

Mormegil,

Well, because MM still needs to die to open up a spot on the KG for Loras.

So I agree, what is likely to happen is that MM dies offscreen in battle, but the attempt to kill Tyrion will be by Lancel.

Andrija Andrew:
PEOPLE OF WESTEROS
Apparently there is a chain in this ep, someone spied it on one of the promo photos… Read it a few days ago in the comments section somewhere. I hope that means we won’t have Chain-gate :)

Well, people who have seen the episode say that there is no chain. And I believe Westeros.org has confirmed this. People need to get over the damn chain.

The Game of Thrones Google+ account has a preview of episode 19 pretty high up the ‘Whats Hot’ stream on G+ right now. I wonder how much higher the ratings would be if we got it to the top…

https://plus.google.com/u/0/117767050951281246525/posts

I am desperately driving home to watch this episode! I need everyone in the Virginia/DC area to get the hell off the road! Iol
Less than two hours left, I can’t wait!!

corbob10:
The Game of Thrones Google+ account has a preview of episode 19 pretty high up the ‘Whats Hot’ stream on G+ right now.I wonder how much higher the ratings would be if we got it to the top…

https://plus.google.com/u/0/117767050951281246525/posts

I put it earlier on the thread but GOT is trending pretty high according to sites that track that stuff, right behind the Jolie-Pitt kid

Syrio: Mormegil, Well, because MM still needs to die to open up a spot on the KG for Loras.So I agree, what is likely to happen is that MM dies offscreen in battle, but the attempt to kill Tyrion will be by Lancel.

Joff already has 10 members of his Kingsguard, he can easily add Loras without any of the others dying. Saying that MM does die after trying to kill Tyrion.

Tyrion Pimpslap: Well, people who have seen the episode say that there is no chain. And I believe Westeros.org has confirmed this. People need to get over the damn chain.

I agree, the important thing is that they manage to turn the tide of the battle, like in the book. This change will also make it more interesting for us who have read the books. I think it’s good that the writers deviate from the books. It’s important to keep in mind that GoT is an adaptation. Many of the changes they’ve made in S2 make sense, and some of the changes have been great (Arya’s scenes with Tywin, for example).

Ser Lemon Cakes:
I predict most of the post show complaints to be about Sansa, lack of or interactions with the Hound etc…battening down the hatches for that!

Also Mads Mikkleson won best actor at Cannes, so chances of him joining the cast at some stage seem low.

Because GRRM wrote this episode I am hoping he does the San/San storyline some justice.

Langkard,
I would recommend you take warm red wine with honey and you wrap up in blankets for a moment. This will make you sweat (and boozy, and dizzy), but in two hours you´ll be fine. And it´s a proper medieval remedy some would say (courtesy of Catholic Church I think).

Tbh the only change from the books I’ve cared about so far is the absence of the best quote in the whole series IMO ‘When the sun has set no candle can replace it’.

I don’t care about no chain unless there’s boobies engraved on it.

Addicted.

So ready! I was hoping that reading all the comments would take longer than ten minutes though. My clock appears to be slowing down damnit!

3o….

If I have to read the phrase “SanSan” again I swear to god I’m going to be sick.

He is a full grown man, and a goddamn murderer, and she is a CHILD.

Steel_Wind: And I think you are missing the same thing that Tyrion in the books missed: there is NO EVIDENCE that Cersei was the one who tried to have him killed.GRRM NEVER tells us who was behind it.Tyrion assumes it is Cersei, but even our seeing inside Cersei’s head does not confirm it.

Who else? Littlefinger (unlikely), Tywin (unlikely), and — above all — Joffrey (the OTHER distinct possibility that Tyrion ignores). Indeed, direct and unsubtle is EXACTLY Joff’s style — remember Bran? And in the TV series — frankly — Joffrey calling for his own Kingsguard to make the hit makes a lot more sense, too.Joff does not like his Uncle at all and would be HAPPY to see him dead.

Hey, i never considered that. Makes more sense though, thanks

Say, what’s with some of the negativity here? I’m a big fan of the books, but also big fan of the show – what they’ve followed and what they’ve changed. Good suspense even when I think I know where the story is going.

I just love everything. So excited for this….chain, no chain, Moore, no Moore, nose, no nose, San, no San…come hell or Blackwater, tonight is going to be awesome!

MY BODY IS THIS FUCKING READY

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Radiohead pre-party is always the correctest possible decision.

http://i.ytimg.com/vi/_l5kZB8_Isg/0.jpg

you made a pig’s ear,
you made a mistake
paid off security and got through the gate
you got away with it
but we lie in WAIT

scaragh:
Say, what’s with some of the negativity here? I’m a big fan of the books, but also big fan of the show – what they’ve followed and what they’ve changed. Good suspense even when I think I know where the story is going.

I just love everything. So excited for this….chain, no chain, Moore, no Moore, nose, no nose, San, no San…come hell or Blackwater, tonight is going to be awesome!

Keep in mind that at least some of it is sarcastic

I’m was also hoping they show Tyrion’s post-battle scar, but they probably won’t. They will down play it like they have with all the characters that possess disfigurements.

Adrian:
If I have to read the phrase “SanSan” again I swear to god I’m going to be sick.

He is a full grown man, and a goddamn murderer, and she is a CHILD.

May I introduce you to 90-something-year-old Lord Walder Frey and his newest wife, FIFTEEN-year-old Joyeuse Erenford? Compared to them, the age difference between Sansa and Sandor doesn’t seem so big, now does it? And by Westerosi standards, she is a woman, fit to be wedded and bedded. Also, did you make this same argument against Dany and Drogo? No? Then why are you making it now?

ETA: 15 minutes!

SkywalkerIsDead:
I’m was also hoping they show Tyrion’s post-battle scar, but they probably won’t or they will down play it like they have a lot of the characters with deformities.

Well, they didn’t give him different colored contacts for the eyes and he’s not an ugly cretin like the Tyrion in the book, so perhaps they’ll downplay any facial scars or injuries so Dinklalge doesn’t have to spend 12 hours in the makeup trailer every day? One has to be practical, but I would bet there will be some lasting damage that will stick with him.

10 Minutes!!!

10…

scaragh,

Yep. Even in Westeros, a 75-year age difference raises some eyebrows.

As for Sansan, that’s as about as idiotic and inappropriate a romantic pairing as I can think of.

wargsareawesome,

Yeah, but at least we see Dany/Drogo’s relationship get beyond the rapey bit….

Haters stay pressed
SANSAN FTWWW

And this whole discussion is hypothetical anyways, as Sandor is (presumably) dead

On a different note: 1 minute!!!!!!!!!

LETS DO THIS!!!! BLACKWATER HERE WE COME!!!!!!

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Megan,

we also see to some extent sansa and sandor’s relationship going beyond the rapey bit i think you are refering to, with sansa comparing him to almost every man she knows, feeling resentful he only took a song and a kiss and left her nothing but a bloody cloak, imagining a kiss between them that didn’t happen, dreaming of him, wondering if she wasn’t wise at not going away with him…
clearly she isn’t in love with him, but i’ve never seen her feeling hate towards him,

caro herrera,

hahaha, alright alright, I’m just being a pain in the butt :)

Oops, forgot the vid link

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xKUqoRFWCAk

also, its 6:04 here, so enjoy yoselves, if you watchin!!

Langkard:
Going to be a great evening of TV.Sadly, a bad cold is making me miserable while I wait.I went to the store to get something to help; but they didn’t have any “cures colds in 2 hours” medicine.What are we in the Dark Ages?I demand instant cures to accompany my instant gratification. Pfft.

On the bright side of life : you’re not dead yet!

JK, get well soon!

Oh nooooooooooes, Hound vs. Bronn…..oh wait, there’s the bells….saved by the bell!

Finally, the king’s hand necklace!!!!

ThePinkDragon: Yeah, I don’t think anyone is objecting to the age difference; it’s the power and weird emotional fuckery.

Exactly.

Wildfire explosion = sublime

Do we have a chain sighting? Trapping the ships?

Book purists are going to call for the writers head. Oh, wait…..

No Chain?! Was one of the coolest strategic maneuvers by Tyrion…. And they left it out!

So far, though: loved the Bronn/Tyrion bromance in full bloom.

Ooooh the Hound almost danced with Bronn before the battle….

The wildfire was cool… But for some reason I didn’t think of it as a flammable liquid, that had had to be lit…. I imagined it as LIQUID FLAME!

I wanna see The Hound strangle that guy with his own guts! Woah The
Hound just said FUCK THE KING!? This is heavy duty!

Given the constraints of the budget, blahblahblah… I am still loving this

ThePinkDragon,

Yes! Thank you for putting it so well.

Scholesy,

You see anyone complain?

Cersei sitting on the Iron Throne? With Tommen on her knee? Need to examine that last couple of scenes…. Weirdly reminiscent if Lysa Aren sitting in the Eyrie with Robert on her knee (and at her teet).

And awesome effect slicing open Tyrion’s face… The swelling around the wound… Along with the guy getting the top half of his head sliced off just before…. WOW!

Fan-freaking-tastic!

Wow, that wildfire was just too intense @_@

I can’t wait for the season finale….. then the interminable wait for the next season.

Lyanna of Winterfell,

which is why I put probably (I believe that he is indeed the gravedigger)

please… Who sang at the end of the episode? It was great.

Talking about great singers…Cersei´s piano has been drinking again.
And talking about talking…Pod!

Halfman! Halfman! Halfman!

Wow the wildfire was as good as I could imagine. Very holy sh#t.

That sounded like Matt Berninger of The National singing at the end (!)….can anyone confirm?

I can’t believe there is only one episode left. Do we have to wait a year? What will happen first, a new book or a new season?

I agree Weirwood.. So glad Tyrion kept his nose!

Rygar:
I just shaved every hair on my body in preparation for this battle.More aerodynamic.Go Team Joff Baratheon!Halfman!Halfman!

LOL! Eyebrows too?

Langkard:
Going to be a great evening of TV.Sadly, a bad cold is making me miserable while I wait.I went to the store to get something to help; but they didn’t have any “cures colds in 2 hours” medicine.What are we in the Dark Ages?I demand instant cures to accompany my instant gratification. Pfft.

Pseudoephedrine. Check with your friendly neighborhood meth dealer. :-)

Only way to make that episode better would be to double its length.

Fantastic.

Now that one, friends, is what you call a Ten.

It worked for a bunch of reasons, especially focus. Finally we don’t have to flicker abruptly between a huge set of unrelated plots. Everything was about just one thing. When everything comes together is when it works.

That’ll do, HBO. That’ll do.

best hour of television I ever saw in my life.

Also, as a historical re-enactor I was hella impressed with their depiction of medeival style warfare.

Lena Headey should get all the awards. All of them. ’cause everyone already knows that Dinklage is awesome.

Nothing made me feel as sorry for Sansa as her having to put up with hilariously bad womanly advice from drunken Cersei.

Unrelated…but why is the show making me love Shae? Damn. Thanks HBO.
That is going to hurt like a kick to the face when…well…just nevermind. We won’t mention that plot yet.

Come on, let’s give HBO and B&W a round of applause!!

Mrs. H’ghar,

Talk about “ALMOST”s!
The Hound and Bronn ALMOST mixed up but… just when they were about to go at it, yup, the bells.
Cersei ALMOST got a little too much info for Shae’s safety but… just when she was about to ask that crucial question, yup, interrupted again. And then, along comes Tywin! Well I think he and Shae will get along just fine! ;-)

Epicurean:Why did Martin have the Hound come gunning for the Bronn?

Because Martin has written for TV before and he loves to toy with our expectations :D

Icy Fingers,

I sympathise Fingers but it’s worse being in the UK and refusing to pay Mr M for Sky Atlantic!!