HBO has released the first promo pic from episode 19 “Blackwater” and it looks amazing. Here it is, courtesy of EW.
Winter Is Coming: Wow. This looks epic. And I think I see a certain something in the background…
UPDATE: And here is a pic from this week’s ep which ties into what may or may not be in the background of the “Blackwater” shot.
UPDATE: Since we’re on the subject of promo shots, it is interesting to note that the below photo was not labeled Talisa, but Jeyne. Could just be from when the character had the name Jeyne… or it could have been a slip-up by HBO.
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It looks amazing.
DreyesboQuote Reply
The battle will be at night? Neat, very atmospheric, and I am sure wildfire will look quite lovely in the eve! ;-)
Can’t wait!
Omar BrownQuote Reply
BRONN!!!!
fuelpaganQuote Reply
There’s a chain over the water, right?
PaulQuote Reply
(from the other thread)
Looks like Bronn will get an igniting moment of awesomness in episode nine… ;)
Since it has never been mentioned in the show, I believe that there will be no chain across the river. But you never know! There is still a whole episode before “Blackwater”, maybe Tyrion’s order to the blacksmiths will feature in “The Prince of Winterfell”…
In any case, I’m pretty sure that Bronn’s flaming arrow in that promotional photo will ignite the fire ships upstream of Stannis’ fleet. It would be a fiery moment for a cool character.
LVQuote Reply
Fuck to the yes, Bronn will kick Legolas’ and Hawkeye’s asses.
KnurkQuote Reply
I’ve heard a lot of hype about this, can’t wait!
Bronn is such a BAMF.
DragonSlayerCoachQuote Reply
there’s a second picture that HBO released of Tyrion and Varys with Tyrion reading a book entitled “An History of the Great Sieges of Westeros” which is for this weeks episode I believe. It should be floating around the interwebs by now. I saw both of these images from a link that was on IMDB.
KlavonivsQuote Reply
I don’t see a chain…
Handmaiden of DanyQuote Reply
The Hunger games? More like the BRONN-ger games! Ha!
Get it?
Guys?
Omar BrownQuote Reply
Handmaiden of Dany,
Go to the zoomed in pic… leading out from the door in the wall. Am I crazy?
PaulQuote Reply
Handmaiden of Dany,
I don’t see any boats in the harbor yet, so maybe it’s still submerged…lets hope it’s there
KlavonivsQuote Reply
Yup, just added this one to the post.
Winter Is ComingQuote Reply
Winter Is Coming,
You are faster than a waterdancer WIC!!!!
KlavonivsQuote Reply
i have the BIGGEST BONER EVER
so excited for BofB
Nimble DickQuote Reply
Looks fantastic.
LordStarkingtonQuote Reply
huh can not wait.
it looks fantastic.
The RabbitQuote Reply
BTW, that Bronn pic is now my computer’s wallpaper:)
KlavonivsQuote Reply
OT: Norwegian actor Kristofer Hivju (the guy with the red beard we knew had auditioned for GoT, possibly for Tormund) just confirmed on the norwegian talkshow Lindmo that he auditioned for the show, and got chosen for another audition. As we know, most actors had to do several to get their part.
sjweningsQuote Reply
Bronn looks badass.
Jaime LannisterQuote Reply
A chain, a chain! My kingdom for a chain!
Seriously, methinks I see one! WOOT!!!
Is it wrong that mommy needed a little alone time after seeing that picture?
AssuntaQuote Reply
I think the chain is there. If you zoom in there’s a line across the river. It’s not very clear, but there’s definitely something there
The OthersQuote Reply
Glad to see that they might not have “chainged” that part of the book!
I Am So SorryQuote Reply
Out from the gate, right?
sjweningsQuote Reply
I added one more notable promo photo to the post. It’s notable not because of the photo itself, but because of what it was named by HBO…
Winter Is ComingQuote Reply
If the city is behind Bronn, what is he shooting at? Unless he turns around, there’s no way for him to ignite anything on the water, is there?
I do believe the chain will be there, but rather as a “flashback”. The scenes of Tyrion ordering the chain to be made would have been out of place in the early season, not adding anything to the story there. Now it’s too late to order the chain, but he can always go inspect it.
HertoloQuote Reply
Haha!!!! I was right! She is Jeyne. I need to jump over to Westeros for a bit of gloating. :D
One word to describe the Blackwater pic: AWESOME!!
ETA:
I zoomed in on the pic. You guys are right, I see a chain.
RemaalQuote Reply
That photo is off the chain!
DirehoundQuote Reply
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U6MlaIe1ljs
My reaction to the first picture:)
TheFrozenKingQuote Reply
Bronn Hood, Prince of Thieves! Cool.
But ARGH… is there going to be a chain or not?!?
If not, it really won’t seem like Tyrion was the mastermind behind the victory.
LexQuote Reply
I must admit… Bronn is pretty awesome looking in that picture…
ArthurQuote Reply
Someone remind me, what is Tyrion reading about in the book?
Also, VARYS I MISSED YOU.
LexQuote Reply
hmmmmm….I have a feeling Bronn will die in epsiode 9, unfortunatly he doesn’t do much after book 2, so I’m calling Bronn’s death…but hey I could be wrong!
my watch beginsQuote Reply
Lex,
I think he may be reading about the chain. Maybe Varys informs Tyrion that it exists and was used hundreds of years ago?
Tyrion PimpslapQuote Reply
Looks amazing. And I do think I see a chain!
As for Talisa, if she is in fact Jeyne Westerling using an alias, I’m going to suggest that, to emphasise the ‘foreign’ (and maegi) connection, her mother’s maiden name is Maegyr rather than Spicer.
ShinyteapotQuote Reply
I thought it was obvious that Talisa = Jeyne, after the previous episode. When Robb mentioned going to the Crag, and she looked guilty.
LexQuote Reply
i see the chain. It’s coming out of that faintly lit door-looking thing close to the water. You can hardly see it even when zoomed in.
DBQuote Reply
Another photo of Tyrion and Varys for this week’s episode from HBO.
http://i.lv3.hbo.com/assets/images/series/game-of-thrones/episodes/2/18/the-prince-of-winterfell-1024.jpg
darquemodeQuote Reply
Tyrion Pimpslap,
Hope not, as that would take away a whole lot from Tyrions triumph.
sjweningsQuote Reply
We need a chain, if only so Bronn can get his fiery green chain sigil.
LexQuote Reply
Nice!
my watch begins,
That just gave me a terrible thought…..
What if Bronn replaces Ser Mandon Moore as Cersei’s man who tries to kill Tyrion and is in-turn killed by Pod, rather than Ser Meryn as many have speculated?
Hopefully this is just an outrageous speculation….
LoFQuote Reply
my watch begins,
Interesting thought. Maybe it will be Bronn that tries to kill Tyrion in the battle. His loyalty being sold to the highest bidder (perhaps Cersei) would make for a much more interesting twist than what happens in the book. In my opinion, of course. Obviously there would be much wailing and gnashing of teeth from the purists.
Sir PounceQuote Reply
Oh look at that! LoF barely beat me to it. Though, I think it’d be a great change.
Sir PounceQuote Reply
Great Blackwater shot!
“Talisa” looks like a noble woman in that picture.
Hi-FiQuote Reply
Bronn looks great. I was an extra in this scene and had the pleasure of chasing Bronn just after he looses his fire arrow – roll on season 3 filming – I can’t wait.
MarcQuote Reply
LoF,
Wow. That would be awful… but kind of awesome at the same time.
That said, I think I’d prefer they keep Bronn alive. The show needs humor, and he’s one of the major sources of it. They can find things for him to do next year.
Maxwell JamesQuote Reply
Such a great Bronn pic, got me excited.
I like that Bronn spec too, he does very little after book 2 so losing him in a shocking way would be ok by me even though I love his character.
It would be believable because of the scene in ep2/3? where Tyrion asks about killing innocent children and he asks “How much?”
ConorQuote Reply
sjwenings,
Lex,
Tyrion Pimpslap,
The book he’s reading is “A History of the Great Sieges of Westeros,” so he’s probably just studying up on battle in general. (I guess that could be where he learns about an existing chain, but you would think somebody in KL would know about it, since you could effectively cut off the river from the bay at any time with a chain like that.)
the goatQuote Reply
Also, now I can’t get that Fleetwood Mac song outta my head.
the goatQuote Reply
I am hoping the Bronn survives the battle and continues to be in the show the next few seasons. He can continue to serve as a combination of one or more characters that get introduced in book 3. Sort of how he takes Bywater’s place this season.
RillionQuote Reply
seven hells, this ep is gonna be amazing, I can just barely make out the chain in that pic, this battle is going to be epic!!!!
serumQuote Reply
I don’t know about across the water; that could be a chain.
But that’s definitely a chain coming out of the hole behind Bronn.
Don’t worry, folks. We’ve got our chain.
Josh ParkerQuote Reply
OT again regarding Hivju: (Just saw the entire talkshow – only heard about him telling he had auditioned first)
Interestingly: He told the host that it all just started as a false internet rumour that he had auditioned (was that us?), but then the production actually acted on those rumours and wanted him to audition (and they were very happy about this audition, and want to try him out some more before deciding.)
Here’s a link. (They speak norwegian) linky
sjweningsQuote Reply
Sir Pounce,
Now that would be a pretty awesome twist, me thinks.
That promo pic looks amazing! Also, welcome back Varys, I’ve missed you terribly!
MachaQuote Reply
You know I could see Bronn either taking Mandon Moore’s place, Balon Swan’s place or taking the place of one of the kettleblacks. I personaly hope they don’t kill off Meryn trent because he is the one guy I really want Arya to kill in the books, and if that does happen in the books I want to see it on the show!
my watch beginsQuote Reply
sjwenings,
http://winteriscoming.net/2012/05/casting-for-season-three-begins/
Someone tweeted at WIC about an agent saying Hivju had an audition, originally. A misunderstanding, a lie or a way to promote the actor, maybe?
Ours is the FuryQuote Reply
What an epic picture! Bronn is the man! I cant wait to see this.
The SweetlingQuote Reply
Ours is the Fury,
No idea, but it seems WiC might once again be affecting the casting of GoT. Pretty darn cool.
sjweningsQuote Reply
That’s awesome. You can’t possibly say that this production doesn’t listen to the fans. Does any one have any other actors they would like us to promote so we can potentially land them an audition? :)
Winter Is ComingQuote Reply
What did he say in the interview that indicated he maybe was auditioning for Tormund, by the way?
Ours is the FuryQuote Reply
I hate to be a downer but, im not seein much of a chain. Not in that doorway or anywhere else…If Bronn is aiming in that direction i feel like the chain would be infront of him out of the frame of that picture…Thoughts?
The SweetlingQuote Reply
Ours is the Fury,
Nothing. I just said in an earlier post that we speculated it might have been for Tormund. HE didn’t say anything at all about the part – only that it was “a part for GoT”
sjweningsQuote Reply
Not going out on a limb:
Bronn lives
Chain- obviously
Talisa is Jeyne-even more obvious
My big question is: Ramsay(Maybe a surprise appearance, wouldn’t be entirely impossible)
BrigsQuote Reply
It would be kind of weird, but Bronn could also take the place of the Kettleblacks. Not literally – but they could show him playing Tyrion and Cersei off each other, perhaps raising his price each time. Though I think he’d be smart enough to avoid Osney’s fate.
Maxwell JamesQuote Reply
sjwenings,
Yeah sorry, someone hinted that way, I figured there was an actual basis. So he never implied anything about Tormund. Good to know. Thanks :)
Ours is the FuryQuote Reply
WiC: Thanks for redacting my earlier post.
Anyway, in regards to Hivju, I still think he’s waaaaay too young to be Tormund. Yes, he looks like a Wildling in the photo on the site but in others, without the beard, he looks more like a Tully. Dollars to donuts he’s auditioning for Edmure.
Even if he is a Wildling, he could end up being the Weeper, or Jarl, or Varamyr.
Josh ParkerQuote Reply
This looks like a model inside a set no? Or that is actually Dubrovnik by night?
I like the idea ppl has been commenting about Bronn…thats a book change I see working.
Shame is we haven’t hardly seen Pod…maybe Shae takes Pod’s place?
Pau SorianoQuote Reply
Is it just me who thinks Talisa is actually called Jeyne on the show and this isnt a mix-up or this big of a change from the books??
From what i think, Jeyne is pretending to be some girl from outside of Westeros, so she isnt arrested on Robb’s camp because she’s from a family sided with the Lannisters, and so she can continue to work on the wounded. Note how she didn’t want to go talk to a Maester last episode to get supplies, because the Maester probably would know her.
SamucAQuote Reply
Nah, I think it’s her grandmother’s maiden name.
the goatQuote Reply
sjwenings,
Are we seeing a chain-gate?
RutepQuote Reply
Rutep,
Better than most Saturday GoT laughs!
sjweningsQuote Reply
SamucA,
That’s exactly what’s happening.
I mean – that plus she’s a spy for Papa Lannister.
Maxwell JamesQuote Reply
Ours is the Fury,
It was not a lie, I can assure you that.
Jonas JakobsenQuote Reply
Maxwell James,
Regarding your last statement, I think that’s a red herring, both for the TV only people as well as the book readers. My theory is that Roose is already in bed with Tywin.
the goatQuote Reply
Jonas Jakobsen,
A misunderstanding then. It’s cool. It all worked out awesome. :)
Ours is the FuryQuote Reply
Rutep,
sjwenings,
Shouldn’t it be gate-chain-gate?
the goatQuote Reply
I like the character of Ser Mandon Moore in the books, he’s a perfect non-entity whose purpose suddenly becomes sinister right as Pod becomes courageous (I also like Jacelyn Bywater for being steadfast and, like the other two, having a cool name.) But even the one that exists in the show’s universe hasn’t been built up.
I would really dislike Bronn taking Moore’s role, because I’d argue there’s affection and a certain level of loyalty between him and Tyrion, and that the conversation between the two where he explains that his loyalty has his limits is one of the better moments in the books (as are the reports about his marriage). To throw the chemistry between the actors away when there’s an interesting path for it, I hope they don’t do it and it didn’t occur to me they would.
Felt PeltQuote Reply
All I see is a couple of unlit patches of water in-between the (photoshopped) fog. In western culture, the mind is conditioned to look for straight lines, but this is just an optical illusion. I’m sure the HBO promo doesn’t mind all the speculation about it, though!
A defensive chain would need a heavily fortified structure on either shore, housing the large ratchet pulley mechansisms needed to raise and lower the chain. In addition, the system would have to include strong anchorages at both ends. GRRM’s model for King’s Landing appears to have been Constantinople. The following links relate to that city’s chain across the Golden Horn:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Galata_Tower_%28old%29
http://neobyzantium.com/why-constantinople-was-so-hard-to-conquer/
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fourth_Crusade
Nagga’s KinQuote Reply
There is no chain in that photo. Even if there’s one in the show, it’s not going to be 50 feet from the castle walls – you couldn’t even fit 5 ships in the water behind Bronn.
Morgan KingQuote Reply
Nagga’s Kin,
I can’t believe you can’t see the chain!!!! Don’t you see, it’s one of those “magic eye” pictures. You have really stare hard at the water, it only takes a couple minutes and WHOOLLAH…a chain appears!!!! And if you stare even longer you will also see the Shadow Baby trying to swim, but we all know shadows can’t swim….and that’s how it doesn’t come back in the books.
KlavonivsQuote Reply
I agree with you that a chain achorage on the city side would have to be some distance from a gate. However, in the case of Constantinople, that distance was less than 100 feet on the southern end. That city’s chain was about 1000ft long, blocking the mouth of the Golden Horn. A mostly French army seized and destroyed the winch tower at the northern end in 1204, during the Fourth Crusade, giving a Venetian fleet of over 200 ships access to the city’s relatively weak walls along the southern shore. The siege that followed lasted for months, culminating in an horrific sack that Byzantium never recovered from. Even so, the Turks didn’t conquer Constantinople until 1453, using artillery including a Hungarian cannon some 8m (26ft) long against the massive land walls protecting the city’s western end.
Nagga’s KinQuote Reply
I can’t see Russia from my house, either! Weird, isn’t it?
Nagga’s KinQuote Reply
Nagga’s Kin,
Neither can I….then again I am on the east coast ;)
KlavonivsQuote Reply
I see some black thing in the water going straight ahead just outside the gate, but it is the chain? I’m not sure, but it could be it… or a line… or ilusion for the eye…
But on the wall is a catapult – I’m sure of it… On the second line of wall…
bonQuote Reply
Winter,
Based on the fact that Talisa seemed reluctant to go to the Crag with Robb, I think there is still a chance that she is Jayne Westerling, and that she was trying to avoid returning home lest her secret (that she is a Westerling) be brought to light. I think that is still a possibility.
I am hoping it is because if it’s not that would mean that the series is denying Tywin his greatest moment of badassery, the cunning skill with which he engineers Robb’s downfall. And that that would be a shame, since it’s one of my favorite shocking revelations of the entire SoIaF series. (Unless Talisa was hired by Tywin to seduce Robb, and when she joked that she was a Lannister spy she was not joking. But that would not be as impressive as the Westerling affair.)
Howland ReedQuote Reply
Thank God! CHAIN!!!
NotoriousPYGQuote Reply
Doesn’t someone in the Kingsguard need to be killed off so Loras can get his white cloak? (I think that’ll be next season, as long as they keep it in) I’m still betting on Ser Meryn
Icy FingersQuote Reply
Forgive me for bein’ stupid, but what was the big deal about the chain, again? Why’s it important? I don’t recall — it’s been too long since I’ve read book two.
ThePinkDragonQuote Reply
Howland Reed,
Wouldn’t it be harrowing that all this time whilst Purists bitch about the softness of Tywin in the Harrenhal scenes, the Lord of Casterly Rock is actually conspiring with Bolton and co? Add to that the terrible, malicious speculation that someone on TV Without Pity thought up: When Arya tells him ,”any man can be killed” it is then that the seeds of the RW are planted firmly in Tywin’s head. Then a year from now people will look back at these grandfatherly scenes with Tywin and Arya and realize that he was playing her all along. I would even bet that when Tywin tells Cersei and Joff that the deed is done he will state matter of factly that “anyone can be killed”.
If D & D went this way it would be absolutely, diabolically (sorry for the hyperbole) brilliant.
Joshua TaylorQuote Reply
Ours is the Fury,
http://p3.no/filmpolitiet/2012/05/ryktene-er-sanne/
“The rumors are true” — it says that Hivju was auditioning this Thursday and went through to the “next round”. It says nothing about the role(s) he’s auditioning for, though. (Edit: Just saw your tweet.)
funlightQuote Reply
Bronn. He really can do it all, can’t he?
MikeQuote Reply
When most of Stannis’ ships have sailed up the River the chain is raised across the Blackwater blocking their way back down river. The ships are then set on fire by ramming them with fireships containing wildfire. With no way up or down river the ships get destroyed.
MormegilQuote Reply
I can’t recall, did the battle at the blackwater set in night in the books?
Looks epic anyway. can’t wait.
Tomer SegalQuote Reply
Tomer Segal,
Yes, the sun sets as the fleet moves into the Blackwater and the battle is mostly wrapped up before dawn.
WatsonQuote Reply
These pictures have me so excited for the last 3 episodes….
From ChaosQuote Reply
bronn shooting flaming arrows at stannis’ ships. bronn is a boss
spacepopeQuote Reply
Nagga’s Kin,
straight lines are a sign of intelligent life. how is that restricted to western culture? weird comment
kingthlayerQuote Reply
Watson,
It was def late afternoon, but when Davos notices the chain as they’re goin by it he has to sheild his eyes from the “westering sun.” Then when Tyrion leads the sortie, as the battle is in full swing, he mentions “the darkening sky,” but it wasn’t like the sun was setting right when they pulled into the bay. Pretty sure in the show it’ll all be at night, which is fine.
the goatQuote Reply
I recall reading an interview about ep. 9 either with the director or with Peter Dinklage and a chain was clearly mentioned in that interview so I’m pretty sure there be a chain.
JohnQuote Reply
cmon people, if you are smart enough to read five 800+ page books, you’re smart enough to figure this out, its pretty simple:
Talisa IS Jeyne Westerling. (OMG, spoiler, no way!)
The Westerlings, from the Crag, are sworn to House Lannister, which makes sense that she wouldn’t want Robb to know her true identity at first. And also why she wouldn’t want to go with Robb to the Crag, because her true identity would be revealed.
So many people are up in arms about “Who is Talisa and why are they ruining the story???”
You people need to use that 3 inches between your ears.
Her best line of the series so far: ” I always though I was a brilliant liar”…… um, duh?
winterfellQuote Reply
I may be wrong but three or four episodes back you can see the port in KL and the chain being pulled of the water….
srQuote Reply
Howland Reed,
ok someone gets it.
although, i never picked up on the notion that Tywin orchestrated the Robb/Jeyne relationship. is there hints of this in Storm of Swords? im re-reading now. although it seems plausible b/c the W’s are sworn to the Lion. is that an assumption or somehting clearly spelled out in the books. wouldnt surprise me if GRRM hinted at it and i just missed it.
winterfellQuote Reply
winterfell,
Hahah good post
It’s just over analyzing and over reacting.
T-GoodQuote Reply
Do you make a habit of trolling yourself? Or is it just a weekend thing?
the goatQuote Reply
the goat,
Not to get all into book spoilers, as this isn’t the ideal forum for that, but the way I read book-Jeyne is nothing but genuine affection for Robb. Remember how she rides out to see him as they ride to Edmure’s wedding and it’s all ‘oh-cute-young-love’? Hard to imagine Tywin going for such a convoluted and unreliable set-up – the dude burns down villages to get what he wants. Tactical matchmaking is The Queen of Thorns kinda stuff, not him at all. If there’s ANY subtext to Jeyne involving Tywin’s guiding hand, I completely missed it.
Morgan KingQuote Reply
the goat,
Ok, with a little more reading up on the subject, it does seem like her parents were pretty aware of what was going on. I just reread Jaime’s last chapter in aFfC – I had totally missed that!! sonofabitch! Jeyne (and I think it is her, despite some thoeries – her reaction to Jaime’s interrogation is really dramatic) . Still – that’s so evil!
Hmm…
Morgan KingQuote Reply
call me stupid but I absolutely didn’t want to see that!
(I’m enjoying this season much more than the first since I avoided being spoiled by the trailers, the behind-the-scene features, or most of the official pictures…and also because I stay out of the episode recap posts… Still love it here though ;)
Tar KidhoQuote Reply
Morgan King,
Oh, I don’t think Talisa/Jeyne is Tywin’s spy (scroll up in this thread for my opinion on that), or that Tywin “arranged” the Robb/Jeyne coupling in the books (although its a somewhat popular opinion). I just thought it was funny he said “OMG you guys are so stupid!!” then 5 minutes later said “OMG I totally missed that!!” It was comedy, is all.
the goatQuote Reply
the goat,
Still, I had completely missed the bit (I’ve only read them as audio books) where BOOK SPOILERS Jeyne’s mom tells Jaime that she’d been keeping her daughter on birth control under Tywin’s orders, though, to keep her from having Robb’s child. So I’m glad you touched on that at all!
Morgan KingQuote Reply
Morgan King,
Yeah, I think Sybelle informed Tywin (or he found out from some other source, and then he contacted Sybelle) once they had wed, and that’s when the plan was “hatched,” as Sansa would say. They wed almost immediately after sleeping together, so still plenty of time for tansy, moon tea, etc.
I just think its too far to assume that Sybelle contacted Tywin when Robb was initially injured and then Tywin told Sybelle to have Jeyne seduce Robb. But hey, a lot of people think that’s what happened, so I guess we’ll see. Or not, knowing George.
the goatQuote Reply
It will be very cool to see Robert’s rebbelion flashback!!
cibQuote Reply
LoF,
Actually I like this idea of Bronn’s death. Because as I recall in the third book he already plots somehow with Cersei (when Tyrion is accused of Joff’s death). And also his upcoming wife Lollys hasn’t been introducted at all. Furthermore he could take a role of Bywatter as a captian of the gold cloaks-killed during Blackwatter.
I really don’t mind if he will die..in the way Mandon Moore did.
And what about some good swordfight between him and Davos. That sort of fight, when two champions meet randomly in the middle of the battle ;)
So if he surives, they will have to think of some new role for him in the coming series…
RomanQuote Reply
If the chain does feature, I very much hope Tyrion doesn’t come up with the idea next episode. I mean, in the timeline of the show, Stannis’ fleet is only a few days away. Hopefully Tyrion will reveal that he’s been working on it all season.
DondarrionQuote Reply
Joshua Taylor,
That would be absolutely GUT-WRENCHING. And so something that they would do. Gah.
IsabelleQuote Reply
More Bronn is always a good thing!
Plenty of time for Tyrion to order a chain made this week and have it ready by next week. Remember time passes differently in the GOT world. Littlefinger still has to get to Highgarden from Harrenhall and he isn’t using his credit card miles for a charter flight.
I think the first hint we got that Oona Chaplin was really Jeyne was back at the DVD release party (I think that was the event), when Rose Leslie and Oona Chaplin were at the photo op/interview line and the caption for Oona in the video said “Jeyne Westerling” instead of Talisa. Everyone just assumed it was HBO being clever and hiding the character name; but it might just have been someone at HBO being honest and not knowing she was a secret.
Does anyone know if Kristofer Hivju can sing? In spite of him having the ability to grow an awesome red beard which would make him a perfect Tormund, I think he also has the looks to be an awesome Mance, too. If he can sing then we might be looking at the wrong character for him.
Joshua Taylor,
Nice! I love that idea.
LangkardQuote Reply
RS,
Can we get this blatant advertising post removed, please? Don’t follow the link, it redirects to ads.
LangkardQuote Reply
All you need is Tyrion inspecting the building of the chain – berating someone who has not done enough links yet. We havent seen the Antler men either… I cant see them skipping that bit of Joffrey fun.
freoduwebbeQuote Reply
Felt Pelt,
Also, Bronn’s betrayal at a much later point in the series in much more impactful and it would be such a waste to make it happen so much earlier…
dmfQuote Reply
I haven’t been following the threads all that much lately, but its pretty damn obvious after last week that Talisa is Jeyne Westerling. She didn’t want to go to the Crag because she’ll be caught out as a secret Lady and so on. Pretty cliche type story twist but I didn’t see anyone mention it straight away I’m sure someone else noticed it. I can’t be the only one.
Anyways it all needs more Davos.
DavosFTW!Quote Reply
Oh blackwater keep on rollin’
(westerosi moon won’t you keep on shinin’ on me…)
Paul RamirezQuote Reply
Langkard,
Why is everyone saying he’d be a perfect Tormund JUST because of the beard? Unless they’re re-writing Tormund to make him young, it’s just not gonna happen. And quite frankly, Tormund as a young man wouldn’t work. A young guy telling all those stories and bragging so much just sounds like a jerk, but an old man still alive and still hale and hearty telling those stories makes for a likeable character.
Josh ParkerQuote Reply
It’s been mentioned several times already in this thread, but Talisa = That person everyone thinks she is. She knows too much about what a maester does and what he has in his inventory to have not grown up somewhere in Westeros.
RandyllTarlysMiniVanQuote Reply
I’m sure the Talisa twist’s impact won’t be lost on newcomer-viewers, ya sourpusses.
People kept barking on about the chain’s absence, but this show does imply several time gaps between certain episodes. Sure, the showrunners don’t make it all that obvious when it happens, and you could even say it’s not presented well enough, but those lapses do exist in the show. Considering that, Tyrion could very well order the great chain in Episode 8 and have it implemented in Episode 9 without any major hiccups. They could just toss in a Tyrion line in Episode 9 where he says, “It sure took them long enough, but they finished my badass chain. Bronn, secure the Tyrionmobile.”
EDIT: Ah, Stannis’ fleet IS too close for Tyrion to sneak in his work order. Still, the use of time lapses in the show stands.
I personally hope Meryn buys it since Mandon is basically a no-show.
WompWompQuote Reply
WompWomp,
The problem is: on “A Man Without Honor”, Tyrion reads a message from a raven which says that Stannis’ fleet is 4-5 days away from King’s Landing. That huge chain can’t be built in such time.
EDIT: when I wrote my comment you hadn’t edit yours yet.
SerianoQuote Reply
All of this talk about Bronn biting it is giving me the same aggravation as all the talk about not casting Blackfish. If D&D were trying to end the series after Book 3, then things would/could be different, but Bronn at the end of AFFC is basically the new Lord of Stokeworth after offing Falyse’s husband (and after Qyburn took care of Falyse). He is still a power player that will play a big role as GRRM conclused the series… like Blackfish. If D&D are going to try and carry this through to the end, Bronn will survive and Blackfish will be cast.
Team SansaQuote Reply
Seriano,
True, but the show has taken a lot of liberties with time. I hope it is revealed in some way that Tyrion has had blacksmiths working on a chain for weeks. I think that would be the most realistic way to handle it.
Sir PounceQuote Reply
Team Sansa,
Blackfish will probably be cast, since it seems that there will be some more Tully action next season (obviously, with the RW to cover). However, I think the stuff with Bronn later in the series is relatively unimportant to the larger story. There are lots and lots of relatively unimportant things going on in AFFC and ADWD (like all of it).
Sir PounceQuote Reply
There is no chain; the line across the water is either a wave or the shoreline.
The absence of a chain ruins nothing. Seriously, are people getting worked up over a damn chain? I thought the chain was silly in the books anyway since the battle is won by Tywin and the Tyrell host, not Tyrion’s plan. Tyrion just stalls them, and the chain plays a very minor role in that. The wildfire is much more interesting as a sort of last-ditch effort strategy, so I’m glad they’re including that in the show instead of the chain.
Yes, as a few others have pointed out, Talisa is Jeyne. They’ve hinted at this very strongly. She admits to being a liar and Catelyn Stark even points out (indirectly) that she invented a fake family name. She’s nervous about accompanying Robb to the surrender negotiations because everyone in town is going to recognize her and it will spoil her cover (speculation, not a spoiler).
dmf,
Bronn doesn’t betray Tyrion, as far as I’m aware. He won’t champion for him against the mountain, but… what sane man would? That’s just common sense. I thought the naming of his child was just a joke and a stab at Cersei, not an insult to Tyrion.
MRRQuote Reply
There’s a ton of ways around Tyrion having them forge the chain new – Varys is showing him a book on ‘Great Sieges’ in that photo, after all. That gives him the idea, and the pyromancer, or someone, already knows where a huge length of ancient chain is stored, or something. I’m sure they’ll make it spectacular, regardless.
Morgan KingQuote Reply
They said the battle would not be as big as hoped for and it’s true: I see only one soldier.
Ferenc van den HamQuote Reply
Knows where… like a local dragon pit? :{o
WompWompQuote Reply
Is there a trebuchet on the third wall?
Ferenc van den HamQuote Reply
Ser Bronn of the Blackwater is an ass-kicker.
Varamyr FourskinsQuote Reply
Tyrion’s brilliant idea was not simply to have a chain, but to use it in an unconventional manner. So perhaps, in the show, the chain has been there all along as a permanent feature of KL’s defenses, and Tyrion just figures out a smart way to use it in combination with his wildfire hulks. This is just unfounded speculation of course, but I think it would solve the “chain issue” in an effective manner.
Ser LurkalotQuote Reply
WompWomp,
That would be perfect.
Sir PounceQuote Reply
Everyone speaks that blacksmiths don’t have enough time to create the the chain, but if you remember that in the book on Narrow Sea starts a storm and Stannis is almoust everywhere on Narrow Sea and that gives Tyirion few more days before Stannis’ fleet concentrates again…
bonQuote Reply
Some African cultures are based on fractal, rather than Euclidian geometry. Some villages are laid out using circular shapes at multiple scales. The children there can draw perfect circle but struggle with straight lines (exactly the opposite of Western children). The implication is that the brain tends to look for patterns it has learnt, they are not innate. Insisting the straight lines are a sign of intelligent life (implying that their absence indicates a lack of intelligence) is not a tenable assertion.
http://blog.ted.com/2007/11/29/ron_eglash/
Nagga’s KinQuote Reply
In the stores below Kingslanding, there could be long lengths of valyrian steel chain, from the days of dragon keeping. Who would have had a use for it for years? Mention the need to some pack rat maester and “well we do have some stuff in storage, 3 aisles over from the wildfire”. Instant fabrication not required.
RichManQuote Reply
offtopic: on IMDb thrones recently has become the show with the most votes:
http://www.imdb.com/search/title?num_votes=5000,&sort=num_votes&title_type=tv_series
Nomi SumQuote Reply
Michael Fassbender as—well, hell, anyone. :)
DH87Quote Reply
This…GRRM has mentioned Bronn is not done yet so if the writers are smart they won’t kill him off. That said, to keep the actor around that long they will have to make up new material to keep him involved.
mikeintexasQuote Reply
Michael Fassbender could be a charismatic naked person. Preferably a villainous charismatic naked person. Perhaps an outlaw on the road or a disagreeable Tully. I’m sure they could only afford/schedule him for about half an episode and he would be distracting.
We probably need to convince him to become a fan of the books first.
Felt PeltQuote Reply
He’s shooting two movies to be released next year, one of them this summer. Not sure if he’s the male lead or a supporting actor, on both counts. He may not have enough time for a major role in GoT, even though he was part of six projects released in 2011. Plus, he might be rather expensive.
http://www.imdb.com/name/nm1055413/
Nagga’s KinQuote Reply
WiC,
If you could, I’m actually an actor myself trying to land an audition for Ramsay Snow :)
Cal Van HamacekQuote Reply
Felt Pelt,
Captain Name Day, or one of the enigmatic Shameless Men.
WompWompQuote Reply
Pau Soriano,
I will fully admit to being wrong if I am but I believe that Shae will be dead by the end of the next episode at Cersei’s hands. Ros will play out the rest of her role. Just my prediction.
Joshua TaylorQuote Reply
YESSSSS Bronn is such a badass !!!!
The KingslayerQuote Reply
Joshua Taylor,
Given her remarks, that sounds plausible. That and the fact Shae seems a bit more sympathetic than her peasant-next-door counterpart in the books, which still sometimes bothers me. I’m just now remembering what the Tyrion-Shae dynamic was like in the books. That was a big part of Tyrion’s characterization. I’m hoping they’ll give them both their due in the coming season since it would seem out of place given the thematic focus of this season.
Anyone else wonder what will happen to her since Tyrion (along with other Hands) noticeably lacks a chain of office?
WompWompQuote Reply
Just want to say that I give HBO and DD credit for this season so far. Just started to re-read ACOK and already I can appreciate how difficult it is to pick and choose on what to bring to life on TV.
T-GoodQuote Reply
Tyrion was seen to have that item in one of the early season 2 trailers.
MormegilQuote Reply
And no boats. Yep, it’s gonna be totally lame.
Steven SwansonQuote Reply
Mormegil,
I was wondering if they didn’t make the prop for the first season because they couldn’t figure out how to produce the interlinking hands. [laughs]
WompWompQuote Reply
“If you don’t love me now, you will never love me again! I can still hear you saying, ‘We must never break the chain!”
Sorry..
Keep turning turning left…;-)
scott glennonQuote Reply
Yes, I had tongue firmly in cheek there, my friend, harkening back to my much belabored idea of a marquee male lead from the “Ratings” thread discussion, but thanks for taking me semi-seriously.
His salary would take up the entire casting budget, and with the new X-Men movie, Steve McQueen’s Twelve Years a Slave, The Counselor (Ridley Scott/Brad Pitt), Charlize Theron waiting in the wings, and most probably every R. Scott project from now on in his immediate future, GOT would be…..a remote possibility. He’s the hottest actor in Hollywood—bar none.
DH87Quote Reply
DH87,
Given the Liam Cunningham/Neil Marshall connection, I had a pipe dream that Fassbender would play Rhaegar. Oh well.
Off topic but kind of on topic I vote Fassbender to portray Duncan Idaho when Ridley Scott after the success of Prometheus decides to correct history and direct a new adaptation of Dune. After all, Scott was supposed to make the film originally, but David Lynch ended up doing it.
My mind cannot comprehend how awesome a Ridley Scott version of Dune would actually be.
Joshua TaylorQuote Reply
So Bronn the sellsword can also shoot a bow. Can’t wait!
Renly’s GhostQuote Reply
jeyne and chain sound the same
MoffQuote Reply
Renly’s Ghost,
I think he’s trying to hit a big target The Bay ;)) or signal etc.
Sword-O-Da-Mornin’Quote Reply
Nagga’s Kin,
thats fine but saying that everything outside of these rare, small cultures is western is just bizarre. it is not strictly a western thing.
kingthlayerQuote Reply
I think there was a misinterpretation there. No one’s saying non-straight lines designs aren’t intelligent or civilized cultures. They meant that when there is something on a landscape that occurs in a perfectly straight line, you can typically assume that there is intelligent life involved somehow, because it doesn’t happen naturally. The absence of a straight line in some design doesn’t mean there is a lack of planning or intelligence.
Ours is the FuryQuote Reply
WompWomp,
Well, she’ll probably get stabbed with the emblem of the hand they use in the tv serie
BlaatQuote Reply
WompWomp,
you can see his chain of office in one of the trailers. He wears it over his armour
SeVvQuote Reply
Joshua Taylor,
Dune was my first true love among science fiction novels. I’m not keen on seeing any existing adaptations since I had such an intense experience with the book. The mere suggestion of a Ridley Scott-directed Dune has me really wound up. It might not happen for a while or at all, but we can always read the book again.
WompWompQuote Reply
Ours is the Fury,
correct – it doesn’t have anything to do with one culture being any better than another
kingthlayerQuote Reply
Steven Swanson,
There will be ships.
Jonas JakobsenQuote Reply
WompWomp,
SeVv,
Its not a chain, it’s always been a pin on the show. Ned wore it most of the time, and so does Tyrion.
the goatQuote Reply
Agree, but it looks as though Scott’s “next” project is a sequel to “Blade Runner,” which is featuring a female, not male, lead, alas for Fassbender’s career, since arguably the original made Harrison Ford a household name. Even the great Hampton Fancher, scribe of the first “Blade Runner,” is on board for it, and despite the rumor of Scott being attached to every black-list script in H’wood, it does look like the BL sequel is next. “Dune” looks remote.
DH87Quote Reply
WompWomp,
The Children of Dune miniseries is decent. But the Lynch version and the miniseries of the first book are not.
Joshua TaylorQuote Reply
I hope that we get to see Tyrion’s chain.
LexyvilQuote Reply
Omg yes, there in the water behind Bronn. Its definately there, and I thought they had given up on that part. The great [black box] of [even longer black spoilerhiding box] is really there! Tears of joy :)
MaxQuote Reply