Full Emmy submissions for Thrones now online
By Winter Is Coming on in Awards.

Emmy AwardsThe ballots for this year’s Emmy nominations are now up on the Academy’s official web site. Combing through the ballots shows us which cast, crew and categories HBO submitted Game of Thrones for consideration. Here is the full list of potential nominees.

Supporting Actor: Alfie Allen, Nikolaj Coster-Waldau, Peter Dinklage, Kit Harington, Richard Madden
Supporting Actress: Emilia Clarke, Michelle Fairley, Lena Headey, Sophie Turner, Maisie Williams
Art Direction: Garden of Bones, The Ghost of Harrenhal, A Man Without Honor
Cinematography: Kramer Morgenthau (The North Remembers), Sam McCurdy (Blackwater), Martin Kenzie (A Man Without Honor), Jonathan Freeman (The Prince Of Winterfell), P.J. Dillon (What Is Dead May Never Die)
Costumes: The Prince Of Winterfell
Directing: David Nutter (A Man Without Honor), Neil Marshall (Blackwater), David Petrarca (Garden Of Bones), Alan Taylor (Valar Morghulis), Alik Sakharov (What Is Dead May Never Die)
Editing: Oral Norrie Ottey (Blackwater), Frances Parker (Valar Morghulis), Katie Weiland (What Is Dead May Never Die)
Hairstyling: Kevin Alexander, Candice Banks, Rosalia Culora, Gary Machin (The Old Gods And The New)
Makeup (non-prosthetic): Paul Engelen, Melissa Lackersteen (The Old Gods And The New)
Makeup (prosthetic): Paul Engelen, Conor O’Sullivan, Rob Trenton (Valar Morghulis)
Sound Editing: Blackwater
Sound Mixing: Blackwater
Stunts: Blackwater
Writing: David Benioff & D.B. Weiss (A Man Without Honor), George R. R. Martin (Blackwater), Vanessa Taylor (The Old Gods And The New), Bryan Cogman (What Is Dead May Never Die)
The full series was submitted for Casting and Drama Series

Academy members have until June 28 to vote and the nominees will be announced on July 19. The technical award winners will be announced on Sept 15 while the remaining winners will be announced during the televised ceremony on Sept 23.

Winter Is Coming: Not too many surprises here. The biggest surprise to me was they didn’t submit the show for main title design, which it won last year. Can past winners not submit for some reason? Also I could have sworn there were additional categories last year, like special effects and music, but I don’t see any ballots for them. All in all, I suspect the show has some strong contenders this year, especially in some of the technical categories. What does everyone else think?


312 Comments

  1. Matt S
    Posted June 14, 2012 at 9:30 am | Permalink

    No Conleth Hill = fail. He was AMAZING this year.

  2. Matt S
    Posted June 14, 2012 at 9:32 am | Permalink

    Also, not only can past winners not submit for main title design, but for some reason past nominees can’t even submit again. At least judging by the wiki page where there is not a single double up on noms http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Primetime_Emmy_Award_for_Outstanding_Main_Title_Design

  3. dmf
    Posted June 14, 2012 at 9:32 am | Permalink

    Charles Dance deserved a nod. I second on Conleth Hill as well.

  4. Alex Dubrovsky
    Posted June 14, 2012 at 9:34 am | Permalink

    As much as everyone likes Peter Dinklage, I’d like to see Alfie Allen nominated. He deserves it.

  5. serum
    Posted June 14, 2012 at 9:34 am | Permalink

    everyone was amazing and I hope they clean up!!!

  6. Rukie44
    Posted June 14, 2012 at 9:34 am | Permalink

    Third on Conleth Hill.

    Also, Thrones should have gotten a music nod. Ramin Djawadi did an amazing job this year.

  7. Matt S
    Posted June 14, 2012 at 9:35 am | Permalink

    And as for what I think, Dinklage is pretty much a sure thing, as are a few of the technical/art awards, but aside from that as much as I think it should win ALL the awards, it won’t. While Mad Men is still on TV I really don’t think the Academy in all its outdated-ness will give best Drama to our little show.

    P.S. Sorry for the triple post, am drunk right now.

  8. The Young Wolf
    Posted June 14, 2012 at 9:45 am | Permalink

    I’m really pulling for Alfie to win. He did a fantastic job with Theon this season.

  9. Winter Is Coming
    Posted June 14, 2012 at 9:46 am | Permalink

    Matt S, ah ok. That sucks. I mean, I guess it makes sense since many main titles don’t change from season to season, but Thrones is different and it’s a shame that that effort can’t be rewarded once again.

  10. SillyMammo
    Posted June 14, 2012 at 9:48 am | Permalink

    Agree that Charles Dance should have been submitted. Alfie Allen did a great job this season. Not sure about Emilia Clarke. I really liked her in S1, but I thought that her performance was over the top whiny this season. I put it down to the script more than her acting.

  11. Duff Man
    Posted June 14, 2012 at 9:48 am | Permalink

    Harrington and Madden didn’t really stand out enough to me to warrant nominations. The other 3 fellows certainly brought their A Game. I could see Dinklage winning again, but damn Alfie really brought it this season and the Greyjoy scenes were some of the best in Season 2.

    As far as the women go Williams, Turner and Heady were all great this year and all 3 would be more than deserving of nominations.

    Clarke and Fairley are in the same boat as Harrington and Madden.

  12. vanderhook
    Posted June 14, 2012 at 9:48 am | Permalink

    Pulling for Alfie Allen, but he’s a longshot. If any GoT actor is going to get it it’ll be Peter Dinklage

    Lena Heady for the women. Sophie and Maisie were great but Lena really knocked it out of the park. Her performance in Blackwater was outstanding.

  13. littlejanet
    Posted June 14, 2012 at 9:51 am | Permalink

    Alex Dubrovsky: As much as everyone likes Peter Dinklage, I’d like to see Alfie Allen nominated. He deserves it.

    this

    I read that Dinklage had 93 minutes (or something close to that) on screen this season. Not enough for a lead actor nomination? A shame these two have to compete with each other.

    Among the women, Lena is a strong contender. It would be even lovelier to see Sophie or Maisie nominated. Both were excellent, but I can’t help being on team Maisie. A nomination for her would be very nice.

  14. JonathanL
    Posted June 14, 2012 at 9:51 am | Permalink

    Down with the “What Is Dead” love. Was my favorite ep this year. Maisie deserves a nom and win. She held her own with CHARLES DANCE.

  15. Jordan Healey
    Posted June 14, 2012 at 9:51 am | Permalink

    did NCW submit himself?

    He didnt have very many scenes this season

  16. Clob
    Posted June 14, 2012 at 9:51 am | Permalink

    I like the submittals for supporting actress. I still think Maisie deserves a nomination for the use of her eyes alone. If she doesn’t get a nom I’ll be disappointed, but if she had more scenes I’d be yelling “snub.” I think Emilia should have a better shot after next season. Daenerys’ storyline is getting to its best part, imo.

  17. Theon Rules!
    Posted June 14, 2012 at 9:55 am | Permalink

    I think Jack Gleeson deserves a nomination over Kit Harrington, Richard Madden, and NCW.

  18. ieiazel
    Posted June 14, 2012 at 9:56 am | Permalink

    GO ALFIE!! He was the best this season, together with Sophie.

  19. Azazel
    Posted June 14, 2012 at 9:59 am | Permalink

    I think Gwendoline Christie should eventually be nominated for an Emmy. She didn’t have all that many scenes yet, but the ones she did have she absolutely nailed.

    Maybe that will happen after next season…

  20. Alex Also
    Posted June 14, 2012 at 10:00 am | Permalink

    Matt S,

    dmf,

    I third Conleth Hill. Kit Harrington didn’t get the screen time and Richard Madden didn’t get the script to be contenders for this year. Next season for them. They’ll have the story on their side. But Conleth Hill has performed wonders and got the lines to do it with.

  21. Winter Is Coming
    Posted June 14, 2012 at 10:03 am | Permalink

    Rukie44:
    Third on Conleth Hill.

    Also, Thrones should have gotten a music nod. Ramin Djawadi did an amazing job this year.

    I went back and checked last year and it seems that some of the categories don’t get their submission put online. Score and special effects weren’t listed amongst the submissions, but popped up when the nominations were announced. I suspect both Djawadi and the special effects team will get nominations.

  22. Delta1212
    Posted June 14, 2012 at 10:04 am | Permalink

    littlejanet,

    It’s not that Dinklage couldn’t have been submitted for Lead Actor. It’s that he would have lost. In that category, an upset would be John Hamm beating Bryan Cranston. Dinklage is fantastic, but there’s no way the voters pick him in that category.

    At least as returning champ in the Supporting category, he’s got a shot at actually winning.

  23. HyacinthGirl
    Posted June 14, 2012 at 10:09 am | Permalink

    Colneth Hill and Jack Gleeson deserve to be up there!

  24. The Kingslayer
    Posted June 14, 2012 at 10:11 am | Permalink

    I don’t like the fact Peter Dinklage is being put forward for Best Supporting Actor when he was clearly the lead for this season and honestly he gave a strong enough performance to give John Hamm a run for his money.

  25. Blaat
    Posted June 14, 2012 at 10:12 am | Permalink

    Alfie Allen and Lena Headey for supporting actors. Theon/Ramsay arc is going to be amazing. Before this season I was worrying that if they got that far n the story, that Alfie Allen wouldn’t be able to pull it off convincingly. After season 2 I know he has the talent. It’s going to be a career defining performance for him.

  26. The Kingslayer
    Posted June 14, 2012 at 10:13 am | Permalink

    I don’t get the praise for Alfie Allen, IMHO he’s one of the weakest actors on the show.

  27. LordEddardStark
    Posted June 14, 2012 at 10:16 am | Permalink

    Probably wouldn’t be fair to submit it for Best Main Title again since it would easily win, so they might be giving other mediocre shows a chance to get it. IMO: Alfie Allen should be nominated over Peter Dinklage, as his performance was much more stronger, and his character changed so much. Tyrion was still Tyrion, so I don’t think he should be nominated again for just doing that, even if he was magnificent. While Headey was amazing in the final few episodes, either Fairley or Williams should get the nomination, probably Maisie by a hair, as she just blew it out of the water this year. Oh, and Neil Marshall for Directing. Honestly, if that’s not a shoe-in, then I lose all hope for TV awards.

  28. Alex Dubrovsky
    Posted June 14, 2012 at 10:19 am | Permalink

    littlejanet: this

    I read that Dinklage had 93 minutes (or something close to that) on screen this season.Not enough for a lead actor nomination?A shame these two have to compete with each other.

    Among the women, Lena is a strong contender.It would be even lovelier to see Sophie or Maisie nominated.Both were excellent, but I can’t help being on team Maisie. A nomination for her would be very nice.

    Dinklage had 93 minutes out of 540 or something like that. Bryan Cranston is on screen for at least half an episode each time, which makes at least 3.5 times as much screen time. Same with Jon Hamm on Mad Men. Those two will compete for the Lead Actor Emmy as long as their shows are on screen.

  29. ieiazel
    Posted June 14, 2012 at 10:22 am | Permalink

    The Kingslayer,

    Please, look at all his scenes with his father. If that is not Emmy worthy then no one in this show deserves a nomination.

  30. Aegon the Conqueror
    Posted June 14, 2012 at 10:24 am | Permalink

    Am I the only one that thinks Natalie Tenna deserves the nod? Agree with the Charles Dance and Conleth Hill statements.
    Charles Dance one of the very few strong man’s man actors still left alive after season 1. Still miss the performances of Sean Bean, Mark Addy and Jason Mamoa.

  31. Ross
    Posted June 14, 2012 at 10:27 am | Permalink

    The stand-out performances for me this season have been Alfie Allen, Lena Headey, Peter Dinklage and yes, Conleth Hill – he is outstanding in the role. Then again, these guys did get the best lines to work with so perhaps it’s no surprise.

    No offence to the guy, he’s solid enough, but I really don’t think Kit Harington deserves a nod.

  32. ieiazel
    Posted June 14, 2012 at 10:27 am | Permalink

    Aegon the Conqueror,

    Natalia Tena wasn’t submitted for nomination. Do you mean she should have? Because if you do, I quite agree. She deserves it most than Emilia.

  33. The Kingslayer
    Posted June 14, 2012 at 10:27 am | Permalink

    ieiazel,

    I’ll admit the scene where Theon says ” You gave me away!” did move me but overall Alfie’s performance wasn’t anything special, Peter was on top of his game in any scene he was involved in.

  34. Rachel
    Posted June 14, 2012 at 10:28 am | Permalink

    I’d also like to mention Charles Dance & Conleth Hill, both of whom were fantastic this season.

    I’m not that keen on Alfie Allen…He doesn’t capture my attention the way almost everyone else, no matter the size of their role, does in this brilliant show. Each to their own, of course!

    Personally I will be disappointed if Lena Headey doesn’t win. She was outstanding, especially in Blackwater.

  35. Jon Glorioso
    Posted June 14, 2012 at 10:29 am | Permalink

    Jack Gleeson should of been submitted instead of Kit Harrington.

  36. ieiazel
    Posted June 14, 2012 at 10:33 am | Permalink

    The Kingslayer,

    My favourite scene of the entire season was his baptism. When someone can convey so much with no words you can see that he is a great actor. Besides, it’s very difficult to play Theon, as he’s one of the most complex characters in the series.

    I wholeheartedly agree with the people that say Jack Gleeson should have been submitted before Kit and Richard. Not because they are bad, but because Jack is amazing.

  37. Zack
    Posted June 14, 2012 at 10:33 am | Permalink

    My preference would be that Conleth Hill should perhaps be there in place of Kit.

    In any case, Alfie and Peter both are well deserving of a nomination and win.

    I might go with Fairley for Supporting Actress depending on her competition. Surprisingly, for as much as I was anticipating it from the book, Arya’s adapted/truncated storyline didn’t do much for me.

    And if it doesn’t win at least a few of the other categories, there’s a problem. Stunts? Costumes? Sound mixing? And so on. In a lot of ways it’s a show that rivals film production in quality.

  38. Camuska
    Posted June 14, 2012 at 10:35 am | Permalink

    The Kingslayer:
    I don’t get the praise for Alfie Allen, IMHO he’s one of the weakest actors on the show.

    Then you know nothing about Theon Greyjoy.
    You can dislike the character though, but Alfie is perfect for the role, he just act everything flawlessly.

    The thing is that he’s not the only one doing it (I like Sophie’s Sansa very much. She’s Sansa as far as the soul behind the eyes). Maisie is Arya but the difference is that I don’t sens a lot of acting, I mean… she was Arya even before reading the script I think. She seems to be a lot like her character.

    Lean greatly improved imho this season, the word venomous describe her well. I’ll never understand people telling she’s not beautifull enough. Come on… she’s stunning.

    As Carice is stunning, but in not enough scenes to be nominated imho. Emilia’s Daenerys was weak this year, but only because she has nothing to do, same for Michelle Fairley’s Cat, Kit Harrington or Isaac.

    One actor was really great this year for me, and it has to be Stephen Dillane as Stannis the Mannis. I’m not a Stannis lover in the books, but HBO’s Stannis is a BAMF. He could beat the epic Beard Guy in a streetfight with just is epic voice.

    My choices

    Supporting Actor:
    Alfie Allen or Stephen Dillane
    Hard to decide. One nailed his complex character, the other is a frigging surprise being a BAMF show Stannis… I would tell Gleeson too, he’s an absolute god playing Joffrey. I never hate as much a character in a show than in the books, except for Joffrey. He’s perfect.

    Supporting Actress:
    Lena Headey, Sophie Turner, Maisie Williams
    Hard too. Lena greatly improved as Cersei, Maisie is still the most perfect cast of the show but Sophie Turner really deserve something for this sense of constant FEAR she can express with eyes and body language only. It’s just as if they are beating her randomly on set, she’s affraid of everything around her.

  39. surfKraken
    Posted June 14, 2012 at 10:35 am | Permalink

    dmf,

    2nd on Charles Dance. He killed it this season and last.

    Of course Conlith Hill and all others mentioned deserve bominations and any other recognition, the talent is off the charts on this show. Special effects MUST be in there. Blackwater surpassed anything done for television in that catagory.

  40. Solar
    Posted June 14, 2012 at 10:39 am | Permalink

    Jack Gleeson definitely should have been submitted over Kit Harrington. All he did was walk around with his mouth open and look dumb. Gleeson has united an entire population of hatred against him because of his amazing portrayal of Joff.

  41. Jon Glorioso
    Posted June 14, 2012 at 10:39 am | Permalink

    I love Conlith Hill & Charles Dance as much as the next guy- but I just don’t see how they should get the nod over Jack Gleeson.

    He has been INCREDIBLE as Joffrey this season.

  42. DH87
    Posted June 14, 2012 at 10:39 am | Permalink

    Submissions aren’t always based strictly on merit. Pressure from the big talent agencies can factor into HBO’s decisions on who to submit for what.

  43. Kevin
    Posted June 14, 2012 at 10:42 am | Permalink

    It will be a travesty if Blackwater doesn’t win a major award.

    It’s a shame the way the story is told means there is no “main” character. They’ll never have a chance at the Best Actor category.

  44. The Kingslayer
    Posted June 14, 2012 at 10:45 am | Permalink

    Erm if Kyle Chandler can win best actor then so can Peter.

  45. jkb
    Posted June 14, 2012 at 10:47 am | Permalink

    i don’t know what are they smokin’ but i want some too. Kit Harington and Richard Madden didn’t do bapkis this year. it should have gone to gleeson/hill definitely.

  46. Winter Is Coming
    Posted June 14, 2012 at 10:52 am | Permalink

    DH87:
    Submissions aren’t always based strictly on merit. Pressure from the big talent agencies can factor into HBO’s decisions on who to submit for what.

    Yup. And this is why Richard and Kit have been submitted, because both have a team of managers and agents behind them trying to turn them into “the next big thing” in Hollywood. Jack is just a young actor from Ireland, who doesn’t even particularly like acting and definitely isn’t into the whole publicity thing, so it’s not surprising he is not being pushed for awards recognition.

  47. ieiazel
    Posted June 14, 2012 at 10:55 am | Permalink

    Winter Is Coming,

    Well, that sucks.

  48. Shinyteapot
    Posted June 14, 2012 at 10:59 am | Permalink

    Agree with everyone saying Conleth Hill and Jack Gleeson deserved nominations. Iain Glen too, though he sadly had less to do this year than last. I have to choose Alfie Allen overall though, Theon has been truly perfect this year, he’s definitely the stand out for me.

    It’s harder to choose between the women. Last year would have been Michelle Fairley for sure, but she hasn’t had as much opportunity to shine this year. I think I’d have to choose Sophie Turner- Sansa is a quiet role and difficult to stand out in, but she is so perfectly believable. I choose her over the others because, thinking back, I’ve noticed things like the staging, lighting etc in other scenes but I don’t tend to notice them as much in Sansa’s- she makes it seem very real, so those things don’t stand out.

    I certainly hope the show overall wins a lot. I’m surprised the episode submitted for prosthetic makeup is one without the Hound! For Tyrion’s scar I suppose. Blackwater really should win something too.

  49. Macha
    Posted June 14, 2012 at 11:04 am | Permalink

    I really hope Michelle Clapton gets nominated (and wins!), the costumes have been amazing this season! Groundbreaking work, IMO.

  50. Darren Mason
    Posted June 14, 2012 at 11:10 am | Permalink

    Theon Rules!:
    I think Jack Gleeson deserves a nomination over Kit Harrington, Richard Madden, and NCW.

    I agree, ( nothing against those guys) it’s just that their characters didn’t have much going on this season.

    Also shouldn’t Dinklage be in for Best Actor? I mean he was pretty much the lead this season.

  51. Lyonel the Red
    Posted June 14, 2012 at 11:10 am | Permalink

    Why not nominating Peter Dinklage as lead actor? Clearly his role was as important this season as Sean Bean’s Ned Stark was last year.

  52. Croccifixio
    Posted June 14, 2012 at 11:14 am | Permalink

    i know this means nothing but if i was to choose which actors are up for the nominations.

    actor: Dinklage
    supporting actor: allen (if he went up against dinklage ill chose him)

    actress: heady
    supporting actress: turner (maisie > sophie in S1 but in s2, i think turner did better)

  53. funlight
    Posted June 14, 2012 at 11:15 am | Permalink

    Supporting Actor: Alfie Allen (Peter Dinklage already won and has another chance in season 3)
    Supporting Actress: Lena Headey
    Writing: George R. R. Martin (Blackwater)

    + Casting and Drama Series ;)

  54. lovesduncan
    Posted June 14, 2012 at 11:16 am | Permalink

    Winter Is Coming: Yup. And this is why Richard and Kit have been submitted, because both have a team of managers and agents behind them trying to turn them into “the next big thing” in Hollywood. Jack is just a young actor from Ireland, who doesn’t even particularly like acting and definitely isn’t into the whole publicity thing, so it’s not surprising he is not being pushed for awards recognition.

    Agree – not surprising. I like Richard and Kit but their performances this season were not in the same league as Peter and Alfie. Jack clearly gets overlooked for the reasons mentioned above. For me, the real omission is Charles Dance…such screen presence.

    I suppose this process is difficult with so many worthy performances. I hope for multiple nominations in the key categories.

  55. Bri
    Posted June 14, 2012 at 11:18 am | Permalink

    Winter Is Coming,

    Your comment about Kit and Richard being nominated “because both have a team of managers and agents behind them trying to turn them into “the next big thing” in Hollywood” is so demeaning. It sounds like you’re basically saying that Kit and Richard have no talent and that their managers basically BOUGHT their way into being submitted for an Emmy nod. Why is everyone complaining about their favorite actor/actress NOT being submitted? Can’t we all just be HAPPY for the people who have gotten submitted? I’m so sick of people whining about Kit Harington doesn’t deserve being nominated. He is a BRILLIANT actor and is constantly getting crap and doesn’t deserve all the flack he gets.

  56. Alex Dubrovsky
    Posted June 14, 2012 at 11:20 am | Permalink

    Winter Is Coming: Yup. And this is why Richard and Kit have been submitted, because both have a team of managers and agents behind them trying to turn them into “the next big thing” in Hollywood. Jack is just a young actor from Ireland, who doesn’t even particularly like acting and definitely isn’t into the whole publicity thing, so it’s not surprising he is not being pushed for awards recognition.

    I’ve always found Kit and Richard to be one of the weakest links in the casting, but Kit gets cast in movies, Richard does other TV series I think, and Jack said he will stop acting after GoT and will concentrate on academics.
    I also think Jack Gleeson should be recognized more for playing Joffrey. He’s definitely one of the stronger young actors in the cast.

  57. Katie
    Posted June 14, 2012 at 11:22 am | Permalink

    I’m a bit surprised that Peter Dinklage isn’t up for best actor as well. It’s obviously a tough category (the Bryan Cranston juggernaut will probably keep rolling on, not that he doesn’t deserve it), but I’m not sure supporting actor is any easier. That category is overflowing with talented people every year, and he’ll most likely be up against Aaron Paul and Giancarlo Esposito and a whole slew of other deserving people. Though the Emmys do kinda like repeat winners, so maybe that was the strategy. But while GoT is an ensemble show, Peter Dinklage was a lead actor this season.

    Alfie Allen is a very long shot, I think, but I’d love to see him get a nomination. He was a real surprise to me this year. Lena Headey was also pretty great, especially in Blackwater.

  58. Pepi
    Posted June 14, 2012 at 11:23 am | Permalink

    Where are Conleth Hill, Stephen Dillane, Liam Cunningham and Charles Dance? They all nailed their roles perfectly. I’m fine with supporting actress nominations, tho. Glad they nominated Maisie (I believe she was left out last year).

  59. ieiazel
    Posted June 14, 2012 at 11:24 am | Permalink

    Bri:
    Winter Is Coming,

    Your comment about Kit and Richard being nominated “because both have a team of managers and agents behind them trying to turn them into “the next big thing” in Hollywood” is so demeaning. It sounds like you’re basically saying that Kit and Richard have no talent and that their managers basically BOUGHT their way into being submitted for an Emmy nod. Why is everyone complaining about their favorite actor/actress NOT being submitted? Can’t we all just be HAPPY for the people who have gotten submitted? I’m so sick of people whining about Kit Harington doesn’t deserve being nominated. He is a BRILLIANT actor and is constantly getting crap and doesn’t deserve all the flack he gets.

    Excuse me, but Winter in no way said that the submissions were bought by Kit and Richard’s agents. He only said that they are pushed forward more than other actors because they want to have more international projection (and because of the eye candy, of course).
    Kit, apart from some good scenes with Ygritte, doesn’t deserve to be nominated because he’s not in the same league as other actors in this series. Alfie, Dinklage, Jack, Conleth Hill, Charles Dance and even the boy playing Hot Pie (who is seriously awesome) deserve the nomination more than him. That doesn’t mean that he’s a bad actor, but there are better ones. It’s the same with Richard, and even with NCW, whom I love.

  60. Lisa
    Posted June 14, 2012 at 11:24 am | Permalink

    Winter Is Coming,

    I think it’s a bit unfair to both Kit and Richard to say that they got submitted because their agents want to turn them into “the next big thing”. That makes it sound as if they both were bad actors who did nothing to deserve being submitted (which they do imo, just look at Kit’s performance in the last episode).

    Okay, it sucks that Jack didn’t get submitted because he was really good. But why does almost everyone have to take it out on the other actors who did get submitted?

  61. Katie
    Posted June 14, 2012 at 11:30 am | Permalink

    I don’t think it’s an issue of buying, it’s an issue of campaigning. Like it or not, the Emmys have a political aspect to them, and if you (or your agents) want to campaign for an Emmy nomination, you’re probably more likely to get one than people who don’t go through the trouble. It’s in no way a judgment of how good (or poor) an actor you are. I don’t think it was meant as a slight against Kit Harrington or Richard Madden, both of whom were fine with the material they were given this year.

  62. Dill0n
    Posted June 14, 2012 at 11:39 am | Permalink

    I’m just saying, I thought Tom Wlaschiha was the bomb (Jaqen H’ghar)

  63. Dark Star
    Posted June 14, 2012 at 11:39 am | Permalink

    I believe that the actors themselves can decide about submitting their names for consideration, and they select the clips that are submitted. That may explain why Jack Gleeson is not on this list. It is a shame, but that is his choice.

    ALFIE ALLEN FOR THE WIN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

  64. Winter Is Coming
    Posted June 14, 2012 at 11:43 am | Permalink

    Woah, woah, woah. I was in no way trying to disparage Richard or Kit with my comment. I think both of them are talented actors and deserve any accolades that they receive. I’m just pointing out why other actors may have been left off the submission list.

  65. Dark Star
    Posted June 14, 2012 at 11:46 am | Permalink

    Oh and OT, but I received my Dragon Egg Pendant from WIC for the HBO merchandise idea contest. I LOVE IT! I am allergic to metal jewelry, so I have to come up with something creative to do with it. For now, it is hanging from the rearview mirror in my car.

    THANK YOU AGAIN, WIC : )

  66. Ye Olde Wolfe
    Posted June 14, 2012 at 11:48 am | Permalink

    Is it unheard of for two actors from the same show to be nominated in the same category? Dinklage and Allen absolutely had knock-out performances this year.

  67. DH87
    Posted June 14, 2012 at 11:50 am | Permalink

    Most folks don’t understand (why should they—everyone has busy lives of their own) that with the demise of the film studio system, big talent agencies vertically integrated across all platforms put together packages (script, stars, directors, etc.) made up exclusively of their own clients and sell them to the big six studios at places like Cannes and other big festivals or independently, pre-emptively. Many projects are bought that way. To keep these big agencies happy and to continue to have the best projects brought to them, TV executives pay special attention to such agency clients at awards time. That’s just the nature of the business these days.

  68. Duff Man
    Posted June 14, 2012 at 11:52 am | Permalink

    Ye Olde Wolfe:
    Is it unheard of for two actors from the same show to be nominated in the same category? Dinklage and Allen absolutely had knock-out performances this year.

    No, The actors/actresses in Modern Family usually get multiple nominations for supporting actor/actress in a Comedy

  69. Julian Walker
    Posted June 14, 2012 at 11:56 am | Permalink

    I always thought that it was the actors and thier agents who submitted their episode to the Academy for consideration, not the network itself. Perhaps guys like Conleth Hill, Stephane Dillane, Liam Cunningham, and Charles Dance don’t WANT to submit their work to the Emmys??

  70. Alex Dubrovsky
    Posted June 14, 2012 at 11:59 am | Permalink

    Duff Man: No,The actors/actresses in Modern Family usually get multiple nominations for supporting actor/actress in a Comedy

    The success of this show baffles me.
    Julian Walker,

    Why wouldn’t they want to submit themselves for an Emmy? Even if they don’t win, the nomination itself is a pretty big thing, as far as I understand.

  71. young griff
    Posted June 14, 2012 at 11:59 am | Permalink

    I think Conleth Hill and Jack Gleeson deserve this nod more than some of the handsomer better paid characters this season. I think this must be a political/calculated move so GOT wins. No offense to the boys nominated but considering this season this just does seem fair to Hill and Gleeson!

  72. Ross
    Posted June 14, 2012 at 12:05 pm | Permalink

    Lisa: I think it’s a bit unfair to both Kit and Richard to say that they got submitted because their agents want to turn them into “the next big thing”. That makes it sound as if they both were bad actors who did nothing to deserve being submitted (which they do imo, just look at Kit’s performance in the last episode).
    Okay, it sucks that Jack didn’t get submitted because he was really good. But why does almost everyone have to take it out on the other actors who did get submitted?

    WiC was not taking it out on anyone, merely shedding some light on how these things work. Submissions take a long time and are a lot of effort (it’s not just a case of submitting the name) – it needs someone behind it to drive it forward and make it happen and, as WiC said, these guys are future stars and will have their agents pushing every single award nomination they can submit on their behalf to raise their profile.

    As I said in my previous post, Harington is solid – but he is in a cast which is peppered with acting genius, so it is fair for people to question why people like Gleeson and Hill don’t get the recognition they ‘deserve’.

  73. Fog
    Posted June 14, 2012 at 12:14 pm | Permalink

    The one that surprises me is no submission for casting.

  74. Varamyr Fourskins
    Posted June 14, 2012 at 12:16 pm | Permalink

    Matt S,

    Agreed on Conleth Hill. The man is Varys (which, is not to say the guy is a perfumed eunuch. It was meant as a compliment).

    Alfie Allen deserves the nod in my opinion, but I couldn’t argue with Dinklage either. No offense to NCW, Madden or Harrington, but their story lines weren’t nearly as dramatic as Theon’s and Tyrion’s, so I’d class them a notch below the other two (for this season, at least).

    As for supporting actress, Lena Headey deserves it, hands down. She was AMAZING as Cersei this season, IMO. She really stepped into that role and owned it. Love me some Cersei.

    A few honorable mentions I’d add would have to start, of course, with Conleth Hill and Charles Dance, but Jack Gleeson is terribly overlooked as Joffrey (perhaps because the role is so evil?). I’d also give a shout out to Carice van Houten, Liam Cunningham, and Stephen Dillane. I thought that whole storyline was really well done. Also, Gwendoline Christie and Tom Wlaschiha were pretty damn convincing as well.

    Hell, I’d just give an Emmy to everyone on the show. I’d show up on the set, and announce, “Hey guys, there’s a box of Emmys over there on the table. Grab one while they’re still hot”.

  75. Lisa
    Posted June 14, 2012 at 12:16 pm | Permalink

    Ross:

    As I said in my previous post, Harington is solid – but he is in a cast which is peppered with acting genius, so it is fair for people to question why people like Gleeson and Hill don’t get the recognition they ‘deserve’.

    I never said it was not fair for people to question why Jack Gleeson or Conleth Hill didn’t get submitted, I merely questioned the how. Can’t people just say “Why weren’t they nominated? That really sucks!” without adding some comment about how the other actors who got submitted don’t deserve it?

    And imo, Kit is more than just solid, he just didn’t have much to do this season but he really shone in the scenes he had in the second half of the season.

  76. Ours is the Fury
    Posted June 14, 2012 at 12:18 pm | Permalink

    I would’ve loved to see Conleth Hill submitted for Supporting as well. And some actors thrown in the pool for Guest Actor/Actress but I’m guessing they didn’t think anyone was famous enough to get nominated. It tends to be a celebrity-laden category.

    Fog,

    “The full series was submitted for Casting and Drama Series”

  77. DH87
    Posted June 14, 2012 at 12:21 pm | Permalink

    Ross: as WiC said, these guys are future stars and will have their agents pushing every single award nomination

    Well, actually, he said they are being positioned as future stars by their connections. I think the jury is out on whether any of these young actors has major star potential other than Maisie. The other young actors no doubt have solid careers ahead of them but none of them have broken out in the first two seasons. (The proof is that we can’t even agree among ourselves who deserves a nomination based on what we’ve seen so far.)

  78. Alan
    Posted June 14, 2012 at 12:21 pm | Permalink

    DH87:
    Submissions aren’t always based strictly on merit. Pressure from the big talent agencies can factor into HBO’s decisions on who to submit for what.

    Not just that. HBO definitely would nominate someone to mollify them, but they are also basing nominations on their own marketing.

    They want wins, of course, but if Emilia and Kit were to even make the final five and be nominated, that’s a nice thing to put about characters that become more prominent as the series go on. Other roles may have had better performances, but they are very small and continue to be so.

    People are also missing that while someone like Varys is supporting on a massive ensemble like GoT, he’s not really even that in typical show. Screentime is important. Conleth Hill was great, but there are guest stars on single episodes of other dramas that got more time and lines than Hill did all season.

  79. Alan
    Posted June 14, 2012 at 12:25 pm | Permalink

    Hey, has anyone asked why Peter Dinklage isn’t nominated for lead actor?

  80. Mike
    Posted June 14, 2012 at 12:25 pm | Permalink

    Peter Dinklage is a shoe-in but I would really like to see Alfie Allen get a nomination as well. Even if they both get the nod, Breaking Bad’s Aaron Paul is definitely their biggest competition because he was really good in season 4.

  81. Dark Star
    Posted June 14, 2012 at 12:35 pm | Permalink

    Alan,

    HBO has said that GOT is an ensemble show that does have a “lead” character. As much as we all love PD, the story is not just about him.

  82. persephone88
    Posted June 14, 2012 at 12:36 pm | Permalink

    Particularly glad for Alfie Allen, who was superb this season. Very sorry Charles Dance not put forth as his scenes w/Arya were terrific. I think next season could ne an amazing one for Nicolaj to win…

  83. darquemode
    Posted June 14, 2012 at 12:37 pm | Permalink

    I think basically every actor in Game of Thrones is at a minimum very capable, but to there is a difference between capable and desrving of an Emmy (or even a nomination).

    I don’t think Harrington, Madden or NCW deserve a nod this year frankly. They are great, but I just don’t think they are extraordinary like say Allen, Dance, Dinklage, Gleeson and Hill.

    Likewise for the women. I think Fairley, Headey and Williams brought something special this year. The others were good, but not in the same class.

    I understand why a series does it, but honestly to me when a show nominates everyone in the cast for an award it’s just politics and just silly.

  84. persephone88
    Posted June 14, 2012 at 12:38 pm | Permalink

    Jack Gleeson will also have some great material next season and will also hopefully get the nod!

  85. Mimsy
    Posted June 14, 2012 at 12:40 pm | Permalink

    Peter is ridiculously talented and I think he could hold his own in the lead category. I don’t know if they’ll ever bump him up, but I think they should. He deserves a lead award.

    Alfie certainly shined this season and I actually look forward to his scenes, but I’m thinking he’s going to truly blow us away in upcoming seasons. His character is going to be broken beyond repair and that is going to require mega talent to pull off. I’m so looking forward to Reek. Still, I”m glad Alfie got his nod this year. He did an outstanding job. Watching him is like watching a vigorously shaken soda bottle. I feel like his character is about to explode at the seams any minute. Thrilling to watch. lol

    JACK!! Darn that laid back kid. He totally sells psycho like a champ and the vulnerability he showed in Blackwater was a joy to watch.

    Conleth.. this guy is amazing! I just don’t understand why he isn’t nominated. If Nicolaj can be nominated.. Conleth can CERTAINLY be nominated.

    So many fantastic episodes! Can’t wait to see the award results.

  86. ieiazel
    Posted June 14, 2012 at 12:41 pm | Permalink

    DH87: far.)

    Why do you think Maisie has a major star potential? She is a good actress, and has done a great job this season (especially with her scenes with Yoren and Tywin), but I still can’t see any special qualities that put her above Sophie or Isaac.

  87. darquemode
    Posted June 14, 2012 at 12:52 pm | Permalink

    DH87,

    I agree completely. I think they all have done solid jobs, but Williams has a subtle and nuanced performance well beyond her years. The others give more “obvious” performances to me.

  88. DavidBC
    Posted June 14, 2012 at 1:13 pm | Permalink

    it is INSANE that they did not submit Jack Gleeson for his performance as King Joffery. Next to Alfie Allen, he had the best performance of the season…and to submit Jamie over him is just stupid.

  89. Alan
    Posted June 14, 2012 at 1:19 pm | Permalink

    Dark Star:
    Alan,

    HBO has said that GOT is an ensemble show that does have a “lead” character. As much as we all love PD, the story is not just about him.

    Yeah, you’re right. However, my comment was joking about the string of the same question over and over in this thread… :)

  90. DH87
    Posted June 14, 2012 at 1:22 pm | Permalink

    Mimsy: Peter is ridiculously talented and I think he could hold his own in the lead category. I don’t know if they’ll ever bump him up, but I think they should. He deserves a lead award.

    Realistically, no one but Jon Hamm and Bryan Cranston has a snowball’s chance of winning best actor in a drama—it is arguably the marquee acting category with the biggest stars. The dark horse is Damian Lewis (Homeland). That makes Peter D. at best a fourth choice. Much smarter to go into a softer category and possibly win.

    ieiazel: Why do you think Maisie has a major star potential?

    For two reasons: performance (merit) and role availability. No one on GOT under age 35 could have gone toe to toe with Charles Dance—not once but many times— including any of the boys. Even NCW was hard pressed in his scenes. Dance payed her a great compliment in their scenes and she rose to the challenge beautifully. She has a gamin physical quality, a highly expressive face, and a precociously unmannered method of delivery, and she will be equally at home in costume and modern roles. There are always roles for young girls who can act and the U.S. turns out very few such folks—they are primarily Gossip Girl/Disney types who are untrained and untalented. The vast majority of very young actresses come from the UK, like Soirse Ronan, Keira Knightly, Carey Mulligan, Emma Watson. They are getting the star roles in big films now. Emilia has potential for landing a lead role—I’ve even seen her name bandied about for Ana in 50 Shades of Grey, which would be huge for her.

    The boys have a much harder row to hoe, and I’m including in “boys” everyone including Harington and Madden. I don’t see a star among the male actors on GOT, including NCW. Momoa had great potential, but, of course, he’s gone. At 31 he has time to recover from the Conan debacle (for which he was not blamed in any review I saw).

  91. DH87
    Posted June 14, 2012 at 1:23 pm | Permalink

    DavidBC: Jamie over him is just stupid.

    NCW is considered the second male lead. Had to be him even though he did almost nothing.

  92. Independent George
    Posted June 14, 2012 at 1:25 pm | Permalink

    Is there a category for guest stars? As much as I LOVE Charles Dance and Conleth Hill, they really don’t have the screen time to be considered supporting actors, but they did so much in their limited time that they deserve some recognition.

  93. John W
    Posted June 14, 2012 at 1:26 pm | Permalink

    Good luck to all the nominees!

  94. hinka
    Posted June 14, 2012 at 1:31 pm | Permalink

    Why isn’t GoT in for Best Drama and that sort of stuff?

  95. DH87
    Posted June 14, 2012 at 1:33 pm | Permalink

    Independent George: Is there a category for guest stars?

    There is, but it is a slippery one: some “guest stars” (which is a title of billing) have appeared in every single episode of the season while others appeared on one episode only, sometimes for literally only a few minutes of screen time. That has made it a difficult category from a judging perspective, and there is talk about defining “guest star” more precisely in the future.

  96. Mike
    Posted June 14, 2012 at 1:33 pm | Permalink

    How do we not have a post on the GWB head yet?

  97. Theon Rules!
    Posted June 14, 2012 at 1:35 pm | Permalink

    I’m probably biased, because Theon is probably my favorite character in the series, but Alfie Allen did an amazing job with Theon this season. The Ser Rodrik beheading was probably one of the most memorable moments of the show so far (up there with Ned’s beheading) and it was due in major part to his performance. From his interactions with his family to his final scene with Luwin, he did an amazing job with the role.

    But to echo what I said earlier in the thread, Jack Gleeson is so overlooked and amazing. It’s probably because everyone hates his character, but that is WHY he is so amazing. People hate Joffrey at a cellular level, and I’m sure if you met Jack in real life he is perfectly normal person. It has to be hard to play such a psychopath, and then at the end of the day insert yourself back into real life.

  98. Dark Star
    Posted June 14, 2012 at 1:38 pm | Permalink

    hinka,

    The full series was submitted for Casting and Drama Series

  99. Winter Is Coming
    Posted June 14, 2012 at 1:39 pm | Permalink

    Mike:
    How do we not have a post on the GWB head yet?

    Because it is old news, the controversy is overblown, and the comment section would be a bitch to moderate.

  100. Lex
    Posted June 14, 2012 at 1:40 pm | Permalink

    Mike:
    How do we not have a post on the GWB head yet?

    Because it’s the most ridiculous non-story ever, and IMO in no way worthy of a post. It’s also 3 months old.

  101. ieiazel
    Posted June 14, 2012 at 1:41 pm | Permalink

    For two reasons: performance (merit) and role availability. No one on GOT under age 35 could have gone toe to toe with Charles Dance—not once but many times— including any of the boys. Even NCW was hard pressed in his scenes. Dance payed her a great complimentin their scenes and she rose to the challenge beautifully. She has a gamin physical quality, a highly expressive face, and a precociously unmannered method of delivery, and she will be equally at home in costume and modern roles. There are always roles for young girls who can act and the U.S. turns out very few such folks—they are primarily Gossip Girl/Disney types who are untrained and untalented. The vast majority of very young actresses come from the UK, like Soirse Ronan, Keira Knightly, Carey Mulligan, Emma Watson. They are getting the star roles in big films now.

    The boys have a much harder row to hoe, and I’m including in “boys” everyone includingHarington and Madden.I don’t see a star among the male actors on GOT, including NCW. Momoa had great potential, but, of course, he’s gone. At 31 he has time to recover from the Conan debacle (for which he was not blamed in any review I saw).

    I don’t know about the boys you mention: for me, the actor with the greatest talent of them all is Alfie, and I dearly hope he gets good roles after GoT. However, he’s not as handsome as Kit or Richard, so he may never have as many opportunities as them in Hollywood.

    About Maisie: while I agree that she is a good actress for her age, I still haven’t seen thouse qualities in her. I will compare her to Sophie, if I may, because they are of the same age and it’s easier to compare them. You talk about physical appearance: well, Sophie is spectacular. Highly expressive face: Maisie is very cute and she is expressive, but Sansa speaks volumes with her eyes. Her fear and sadness was very clear in her, and even her anger at Shae when they were introduced to each other. Another commenter said before that it was as if Sophie had been beaten on set and was afraid of everything. Her scenes this season displayed a top notched nuanced performance.

    So, I still don’t see why Maisie would have a brighter career than Sophie. It may be a matter of character preference, though: I always liked Sansa more than Arya.

  102. Lex
    Posted June 14, 2012 at 1:43 pm | Permalink

    WiC, is there going to be a post for discussing overall thoughts on Season 2?

    And/or subsequent polls for best one liner, best fight, etc?

  103. Winter Is Coming
    Posted June 14, 2012 at 1:43 pm | Permalink

    Lex:
    WiC, is there going to be a post for discussing overall thoughts on Season 2?

    And/or subsequent polls for best one liner, best fight, etc?

    Yes and yes.

  104. ASOIAF Fan
    Posted June 14, 2012 at 1:46 pm | Permalink

    I’m glad not being the only one wishing conleth hill and jack gleeson were in the run as well, both really did an amazing job this year. I hope that Winter is right and that music and sfx were submitted and just not shown on the site because it would really be dumb to not even submit them. Best of luck to all the team, i’m hopeful that GoT can overcome the genre-bias even better than
    last year.

  105. Eleanor
    Posted June 14, 2012 at 1:55 pm | Permalink

    No Jack Gleeson??!!!

    He had FAR more to do than Kit Harington this year.

  106. Roose Bolton
    Posted June 14, 2012 at 2:01 pm | Permalink

    They seem quite out of touch with the actual acting on their show. Conleth Hill, Charles Dance, and Jack Gleeson were arguably the best this season.

  107. DH87
    Posted June 14, 2012 at 2:02 pm | Permalink

    ieiazel: However, he’s not as handsome as Kit or Richard, so he may never have as many opportunities as them in Hollywood.

    He does have a sister in the business, however, and in Hollywood, that means a lot.

  108. Bonnie Blue
    Posted June 14, 2012 at 2:04 pm | Permalink

    I hope no one gets TOO mad about this, but I get tired of all the talk about how great Peter Dinklage is on the show (and yes I do think he is great!) seems the other actors are ignored at times. I hope some of the other great actors on the show get the attention/recognition that he gets. Personally, I think Alfie was outstanding this season, he really captures the heart of character of Theon. And Maisie is a perfect fit for Arya. I would LOVE to see Lena get some more recognition for her portrayal of Cersai. I may be the only one who loves that character, but I can’t help it… I do!

  109. Jordan Healey
    Posted June 14, 2012 at 2:05 pm | Permalink

    lol the claws come out in defense of the hotties.

  110. the goat
    Posted June 14, 2012 at 2:12 pm | Permalink

    How in seven hells did Art Parkinson not get nominated for Best Walnut Smashing with a Paperweight!?!

    Also, Spice King for ALL the awards!

  111. Restore The Day
    Posted June 14, 2012 at 2:14 pm | Permalink

    Theon Rules!:
    I think Jack Gleeson deserves a nomination over Kit Harrington, Richard Madden, and NCW.

    True that. Conneth and Jack should be on there way ahead of the Starks. But it’s going to go to Dinklage anyways, he stole every scene even when Lena was on screen.

  112. Lex
    Posted June 14, 2012 at 2:17 pm | Permalink

    Kit Harington had barely any lines this season, and basically had one expression on his face the entire time. I’m pretty surprised they even submitted his name, tbh!

    the goat:
    Also, Spice King for ALL the awards!

    Hear hear!

  113. Mimsy
    Posted June 14, 2012 at 2:23 pm | Permalink

    There are plenty of non beautiful actors who are HUGE in Hollywood. Steve Buscemi and Tommy Lee Jones aren’t catwalk models, but they are incredible actors and quite in demand.

  114. Lex
    Posted June 14, 2012 at 2:28 pm | Permalink

    I’ll add my voice to those who think Conleth Hill is vastly under-appreciated (or at least under-recognized by any awards).

  115. Joël Linger
    Posted June 14, 2012 at 2:31 pm | Permalink

    Peter Dinklage would have no chance in hell to win in the lead actor category. Supporting is the safest bet.

    Also. Conleth Hill was great but his performance is not worthy of a nod. neither were NCW and Kit’s performances but that is no reason to put Conleth forward. Kit really isn’t a great actor.

  116. Katie
    Posted June 14, 2012 at 2:37 pm | Permalink

    I don’t really understand why everyone has to insist that Kit Harrington is either fantastic or a bad actor. I don’t think he’s really been given the material to prove himself either way, yet – he’s pretty much been asked to look cold and look sad, and occasionally look conflicted. I don’t think we’re going to be able to really get a feeling for how talented he is until we get to some of the later stuff from Storm of Swords as Jon moves into a more definitive leadership role.

    He’s been pretty good so far! I don’t think it’s fair to say he’s the best actor on the show (I’m not sure anyone could be in his role), but I also don’t think it’s fair to say that people only like him or defend him because he’s pretty.

  117. What is Dead may....
    Posted June 14, 2012 at 2:38 pm | Permalink

    What is Dead may never Die! (others: What is Dead may never Die!)
    RUAAAAAAH! *Thumb*

    Alfie Allen for the Win!

  118. andrea
    Posted June 14, 2012 at 2:40 pm | Permalink

    DH87: Submissions aren’t always based strictly on merit

    Obviously but it´s painful. Nominate KH or RM instead of Conleth Hill, Stephen Dillane, Charles Dance or Jack Gleeson is complete nonsense. I never get tired of hating these awards .
    I liked A. Allen in some scenes (with Luwin), in others not so much: too damn loud (although I think it was director´s fault).
    Kramer Morgenthau did a great job on “The Night Lands” (not nominated for this one, though).

    C´mon Conleth Hill, hire a super agency already! You´re a genius.

  119. Joël Linger
    Posted June 14, 2012 at 2:46 pm | Permalink

    andrea,

    Actors are aloud to put themselves on the ballot. So don’t hate the awards but hate Conlet, Jack and Charles

  120. Yellow Dog
    Posted June 14, 2012 at 2:49 pm | Permalink

    Theon Rules!: I think Jack Gleeson deserves a nomination over Kit Harrington, Richard Madden, and NCW.

    DITTO! I am a Dinklage-as-Tyrion partisan forever, but if Jack Gleeson were nominated and actually beat him this year I would have a difficult time complaining. Universal Joffrey-hatred is a testament to the stupendous job Gleeson has done making a too-evil-to-be-believed character completely believable.

    Shame on whoever submits these names for neglecting Gleeson.

  121. andrea
    Posted June 14, 2012 at 2:52 pm | Permalink

    DH87: He does have a sister in the business, however, and in Hollywood, that means a lot.

    you´re not helping me with the hate for award shows!

  122. Yellow Dog
    Posted June 14, 2012 at 2:55 pm | Permalink

    DH87,

    Now that’s a crime. Especially if Jack Gleeson got overlooked because he’s announced he’s leaving acting so nobody cares.

    But it certainly explains a lot.

  123. Ned's Other Bastard
    Posted June 14, 2012 at 2:56 pm | Permalink

    Hope the black cloud caused by the George Bush thing doesn’t affect the award committee’s judgement. See link.

  124. Bonnie Blue
    Posted June 14, 2012 at 2:59 pm | Permalink

    I agree, I think all of the actors on the show bring the characters from the books to life on the show, some of them have more/less to do on any given time. There are certain seasons where other characters are more in the forefront. Kit does a great job as Jon, but this season I don’t believe it was a performance that should be nominated for anything. I think all the actors on the show are great…

  125. Jillian
    Posted June 14, 2012 at 3:00 pm | Permalink

    I’ll add my voice to the Theon supporters. Kit and Richard’s roles overall are nowhere as meaty as Alfie’s, so I’m surprised they are nominated. Not that they shouldn’t be, but their characters, so far, don’t have the heft of the storyline that would normally warrant a nom. While I adore PD pretty much more than anything, his superb acting is expected at this point. Theon was bascially background noise last season and he stepped up in a big way for season 2; his descent into a really dark and desperate place was portrayed beautifully. I freaking loved how pissed he got at the guy with the horn, perfect touch of dark humor and managed to be believable). At any rate, not a standout for me season 1, super standout season 2. In the same manner, Lena Headey totally embodied Cersei for me this season in the most entertaining way possible. I can’t get enough of her and I did not like the overall charcterization fo Cersei in season 1 AT ALL. She has totally won me over. That said, Dinklage (especially in his sensitive scenes with Shae) added some new dimension to Tyrion and the young ladies were their characters to the hilt. And of course I will be pants-pissing excited over any GoT nom or win. As for those actors (most notably Jack Gleeson and Charles Dance) not put up for nomination, they can put themselves up, right?

  126. Bonnie Blue
    Posted June 14, 2012 at 3:06 pm | Permalink

    I agree Jillian! I am glad to hear from another Cersai fan – I get tired of defending her all of the time! She is very flawed, yes (like all of the characters) however, that is what makes her so interesting. And Alfie really did step it up this season, he totally “gets” that character…..

  127. The Bull
    Posted June 14, 2012 at 3:14 pm | Permalink

    Alfie and Lena owned this season. They deserve a nomination not to mention a win. Would like to see Maisie get nominated too.

  128. Bonnie Blue
    Posted June 14, 2012 at 3:17 pm | Permalink

    AGREED! :)

    Alfie and Lena owned this season. They deserve a nomination not to mention a win. Would like to see Maisie get nominated too.

  129. tdraicer
    Posted June 14, 2012 at 3:18 pm | Permalink

    They should just give the emmy to every actor on the show-bit part or main character, the acting in GoT is pretty much flawless. (Which means the Casting is pretty much flawless, so another award there.)

  130. Tom
    Posted June 14, 2012 at 3:19 pm | Permalink

    Alfie Allen and Lena Heady please!!

    Both deserve it

  131. Bonnie Blue
    Posted June 14, 2012 at 3:21 pm | Permalink

    The emotional scene between Tyrion and Shae really kind of disgusted me – that made up scene for the show just made me cringe. So out of character for Tyrion, and it made me think they wrote that scene for Peter to have some sort of emotional clip to show at the awards shows…. I love Peter’s portrayal of Tyrion, but that scene just left me with a bad taste. I hated it!

  132. jkb
    Posted June 14, 2012 at 3:21 pm | Permalink

    Ned’s Other Bastard,

    funny. which one is it tho? jorys or septa mordane? neither look particulary like GWB.

  133. Ours is the Fury
    Posted June 14, 2012 at 3:24 pm | Permalink

    Lena was incredible this year. I hope she gets a nomination and wins the whole damn thing.

    Alfie, too.

  134. Ours is the Fury
    Posted June 14, 2012 at 3:25 pm | Permalink

    jkb,

    It’s the head after Septa Mordane’s, some random Stark guard or whatever.

    This is such old news, it was all over the place when the DVD commentaries came out. It’s silliness, how people are making a big deal out of it.

  135. Archie
    Posted June 14, 2012 at 3:26 pm | Permalink

    I think Jack Gleeson, he’s been brilliant as Joffrey and caused the most reaction out of viewers and obviously Dinklage, he’s great!!

  136. Zack
    Posted June 14, 2012 at 3:27 pm | Permalink

    Lex: Kit Harington had barely any lines this season, and basically had one expression on his face the entire time.

    Yes, and that was true of S1 as well.

    http://getfile2.posterous.com/getfile/files.posterous.com/temp-2011-06-13/CFaDeqanxvksxxJvsGvoAoEsAfiznhwqmxCAncipmHBGAsyIzpxoIIBvDEqt/got1307498101334.jpg.scaled500.jpg

    I’ve liked Richard Madden this season, but the next one should give him an even better chance, considering his scenes will be able to be pulled from the book instead of invented by the showrunners.

  137. Bonnie Blue
    Posted June 14, 2012 at 3:34 pm | Permalink

    The Jon Snow character in the books is not a very chatty guy….. I’m not sure why people are saying the actor doesn’t do much….. Are they supposed to write the character totally different from the books just so Kit has “more to do”? Don’t think the role is worthy of a nomination this year, but I just have to say he does a great Jon Snow. As the seasons progress he will have more to do and say. Don’t forget, he was MIA in the second book, so they were stretching his part a bit for the second season.

  138. Bonnie Blue
    Posted June 14, 2012 at 3:36 pm | Permalink

    Plus, they filmed his scenes in Iceland, correct? Maybe his expression was frozen… Just a thought LOL

  139. Joël Linger
    Posted June 14, 2012 at 3:42 pm | Permalink

    Ours is the Fury,

    Are you serious???

  140. Jess
    Posted June 14, 2012 at 3:43 pm | Permalink

    I hope Kit avoids the comment section of this site( I know he visits from time to time). I would hate to have to read how unworthy I am to even be considered a nominee, that I do not deserve any sort of recognition or that I am only nominated for being good looking. Honestly some of these comments are really mean spirited.

    I thought he was fine with what little he had to work with, in fact I would say he has improved since last season. Lena and Sophie too.

  141. Bonnie Blue
    Posted June 14, 2012 at 3:48 pm | Permalink

    That’s what I was saying earlier. Hope no one took my comments wrong about Kit. I think he does a great job and is a perfect Jon Snow. I commented earlier that I wasn’t sure why people say he didn’t do much just because he doesn’t have a lot of dialogue. There are some roles, though, that are more worthy of nominations (at least this season). Doesn’t mean that everyone else did a bad job. I love all of the actors on the show…

  142. Lex
    Posted June 14, 2012 at 3:50 pm | Permalink

    Zack,

    Having just re-watched both seasons, I think Kit’s acting was better in Season 1. He had less to work with this year, in terms of writing and story arc.

  143. Winterfell Burning
    Posted June 14, 2012 at 3:52 pm | Permalink

    I read that Dinklage had 93 minutes (or something close to that) on screen this season. Not enough for a lead actor nomination?

    Not even close- Brian Cranston must get this for 2 or 3 episodes, for example.

  144. Lex
    Posted June 14, 2012 at 3:53 pm | Permalink

    Alfie definitely deserves the submission…

    But I can’t believe they left out Stephen Dillane. I guess he didn’t have many scenes, but he was my favourite part of Season 2 (by far!). Charles Dance was also excellent.

  145. Bonnie Blue
    Posted June 14, 2012 at 3:56 pm | Permalink

    Yes, next season he will have more material to work with. 2nd season, though, I think Lena and Alfie were the ones that really shined.

  146. mags giantsbabe
    Posted June 14, 2012 at 3:59 pm | Permalink

    Just curious. I only started visiting WIC by the beginning of the year, the same time i starting reading the books, which (luckily) happened after i saw S1. So i just want to know, did everyone piss and shit all over Kit Harrington during S1 as well in the comment threads?

    I just find the criticism interesting because most of my non-reader friends (male and female) always name tv Jon as one of their favourite characters. But i suppose it’s because they’re all one-dimensional and stupid. And non-readers.

    Peter Dinklage and Maisie Williams for nominees!

  147. caro herrera
    Posted June 14, 2012 at 4:01 pm | Permalink

    i think dinklage will win again, but it would’ve been nice to see charles dance nominated, and even connleth. kit and richard and even michelle fairley weren’t outstanding this season IMO, so i guess lena headey is the best option for the women, and even if sophie turner is still oyung and learning, i hope they nominate her because for such a young age you can see the great acting skills she’ll develop later on with all her face expressions and stuff.
    the costumes and landscapes (art direction?) were beautiful and George ought to win the emmy for blackwater

  148. cathie
    Posted June 14, 2012 at 4:01 pm | Permalink

    Rukie44,

    yes every time i hear it i get goose bumps and want to start crying lol,its true

  149. Maxwell James
    Posted June 14, 2012 at 4:02 pm | Permalink

    DH87,

    No one on GOT under age 35 could have gone toe to toe with Charles Dance—not once but many times— including any of the boys.

    I agree with you about Williams (though I think Turner is on the same level), but I’ve seen this sentiment bandied about a lot here (not just by you), and I think it’s dead wrong. Sharing a scene is more collaborative than competitive. Good actors make each other better, and a great actor can coax a good performance out of a mediocre one.

    If acting were as competitive as you suggest, no one would want to work with great actors, because they’d constantly be showing up the not-so-great. That’s not how it works. Stanley Tucci is not nearly the actor Meryl Streep is; nonetheless, when they worked together in Julie and Julia, he elevated his performance. He was a very credible Paul to her Julia, and their love story came off as compelling in a movie that was just so-so.

    The actor who did suffer by comparison in that film was Amy Adams, who never shared a scene with Streep. In film, that’s the main way one actor can make another look bad: by breathing life into your scenes, when others can’t with theirs. To be fair I think that was as much the writers’ fault as Adams; as characters, Julie was simply overmatched by Julia.

    Also: NCW was more than fine in his (one) scene with Charles Dance; in fact, I’d suggest it was his very best scene in all of season 1.

  150. tysnow
    Posted June 14, 2012 at 4:03 pm | Permalink

    My opinion is that of quality not quantity, if an actor (Peter) is considered the main of a series, it should be his work compared to the work of others, not how many minutes the actor was on screen. Afterall awards are suppose to be for the quality of the body of work, period.

  151. Mrs. H'ghar
    Posted June 14, 2012 at 4:03 pm | Permalink

    A woman has thought hard about this, and believes that Tom Wlaschiha should have been submitted as “guest actor” for this season. He did more than anybody could have expected (after reading the books) with a character that was minor on reading the part. He took over the screen whenever he was on it, and I defy you to look away when you see his eyes (even partially covered with hair as in the caged scenes). His scenes with Maisie were epic, the play between those two rivaled the play between Maisie and Charles Dance in “pleasure to watch” and fascination with the subtleties that they displayed in their portrayals. D&D should have nominated him for that, as he is out of the Hollywood loop and therefore would probably not have the means to do so himself. Opportunity lost.

    Which brings me to Maisie…who grew from spoiled tomboy brat in S1 to leader of her posse/Stark spy this season. She rivaled Lena Headey in the subtleties of her portrayal of Arya, and this season belonged to both her and Lena in the female actor department. The way Maisie played Arya lifted the role to a higher level of importance, as the audience could read the complexity of her situation in Maisie’s little face. The shrug she gave when Jaqen said “A girl has no honor” (if I’m remembering the wording, may be a little off) showed us that she realized that honor has very little actual meaning in the reality of life in Westeros at large, that the word is as malleable as the power structure in Kings Landing. Without a word, you caught her meaning in its entirety. The power of her facial expressions, from the cry against Yoren’s chest as her father was killed last season to the downward gazing eyes while trying to avoid Littlefinger’s full gaze to avoid exposure has the full range of a much more seasoned actor. Couldn’t you read the thoughts going through her mind on her face when she had knife in hand gazing at Tywin’s neck? And how about “My mother taught me how to speak proper, uh, properly”…did you catch how it was Maisie being Arya being “Arry” the peasant? That was an intentional mistake by Arya, meant to lull Tywin into his smug stupor that she was no threat to his superior being. Maisie is a natural, and a true gem in this cast of gems.

    Which brings me to Charles Dance, who had more meat on the bone this year than Richard Madden IMO, mostly due to the scripts. His scenes with Maisie were riveting television, the tension underlying them, the fear that she would be found out, all that required you to believe that this intelligent leader of his universe didn’t suspect his cupbearer of anything. His gravitas was earned with years of experience in his craft. Charles Dance pulled every second off perfectly, and should have been nominated. Not saying Kit or Richard shouldn’t, perhaps there should be more categories.

    This woman disagrees that Kit and Richard did not impress this season. They did not have as much to work with, but both had some great moments IMO. Just not as many as Tyrion, Theon, Joffrey, Tywin, Jaqen. Those who say Kit has but one facial expression, watch the fight with Qorin at the end of Ep10 again, it’s subtle, but they say the best actors can’t be detected doing their work, and Kit is a natural IMO.

    Jack Gleeson should have been nominated both last year and this year. He’s incredible. Everybody hates him, and that’s because Gleeson nails it every second he’s on screen. He had a public twitter account for about half a day, I was lucky enough to have a brief twitterversation with him. First I wasn’t sure if I was reaching him since I’m still new at “the twitter” and he replied in the affirmative within “Sup.” Then I asked what did he like best about playing Joffrey? He said “The love I get from people” (paraphrase). No doubt he was bombarded with negativity, even though every other actor says he’s really a great guy in real life. Shows you how good he is that people believe he’s a real jerk. Sophie Turner said in an interview that it was Gleeson who made sure she was OK during the most difficult scenes by checking with her between takes to be sure she was OK. D&D should have nominated him, politics or no, it’s well deserved. Not everybody has the stomach for show biz, but I hope Gleeson misses it and returns after he finishes college.

    Alfie Allen also brought Theon to a new level this year, he was outstanding in every scene and I actually felt sorry for him this year.

    Lena Headey brought new dimensions to Cersei this year, IMO she should be nominated for best actress.

    Dinklage took over the Mac Daddy role this year, and his Tyrion also really became a star of the show and explored every possible emotion in his scenes. Best Actor.

    IMO, Dinklage/Tyrion for best actor, Headey/Cersei for best actress, Williams/Arya for best supporting actress, Gleeson/Joffrey, Dance/Tywin, Harrington/Jon, Allen/Theon for best supporting this year. Last year I felt Clark/Dany should have been the best actress winner for the amazing personality changes she had to go through. She nailed it last year. Oh well. There’s always next year for the rest of them.

    YMMV.

  152. Katie
    Posted June 14, 2012 at 4:06 pm | Permalink

    Maxwell James,

    If they gave Emmys for charisma, NCW would run away with it.

  153. mags giantsbabe
    Posted June 14, 2012 at 4:07 pm | Permalink

    oh, and just started reading the second part of A Storm of Swords. My god, Kit has an arc waiting for him… (yes, i paged ahead and skimmed a little over the jon chapters…)

  154. Jun
    Posted June 14, 2012 at 4:08 pm | Permalink

    All supporting actors/actresses! Just realize we didn’t have leading actors. Jack Gleeson and Charles Dance should be on the list, too.

  155. Mrs. H'ghar
    Posted June 14, 2012 at 4:12 pm | Permalink

    Jun:
    All supporting actors/actresses! Just realize we didn’t have leading actors. Jack Gleeson and Charles Dance should be on the list, too.

    Yes, many here agree. Too bad the producers didn’t consult with us! Lolz.

  156. HedgeWizard
    Posted June 14, 2012 at 4:18 pm | Permalink

    Would love to see GRRM get an Emmy for writing Blackwater. Hopefully he has a shot.

  157. Zack
    Posted June 14, 2012 at 4:19 pm | Permalink

    Mrs. H’ghar,

    Good post.

    Lex:
    Alfie definitely deserves the submission…

    But I can’t believe they left out Stephen Dillane. I guess he didn’t have many scenes, but he was my favourite part of Season 2 (by far!). Charles Dance was also excellent.

    Dillane *was* pretty freaking wonderful. I loved his bromance with Davos as much as I did his Mel stuff. I neglected to mention him of Gleason as worthy awards winners, but they are. Charles Dance too.

    As for Kit, I think next season should give him more opportunity for greater range. His arc in the book wasn’t as good as the first or third books.

    I’m also seeing a lot of love for Lena’s Cersei. For the longest time, I just didn’t see it, but I’m really starting to enjoy her scenes lately. Especially in episode 19. I have to say she’s absolutely worthy of an Emmy.

  158. jkb
    Posted June 14, 2012 at 4:19 pm | Permalink

    am i the only one who liked maisie better last year? *duck*

  159. cure
    Posted June 14, 2012 at 4:23 pm | Permalink

    Maxwell James: Also: NCW was more than fine in his (one) scene with Charles Dance; in fact, I’d suggest it was his very best scene in all of season 1.

    Amazing scene. Charles and NCW were fantastic! i loved them during the scene!!! Nikolaj will have a very good chance next year.

  160. DH87
    Posted June 14, 2012 at 4:25 pm | Permalink

    Maxwell James: Sharing a scene is more collaborative than competitive.

    Yet almost all actors dread playing opposite children. A child is either an inadvertent scene stealer (by being “cute,” stepping on lines, not listening, or seeming to listen, during the adult’s speech, etc.) or an attention hog, requiring endless takes or TLC from the director. (I do realize that at 15 Maisie probably no longer qualifies as a child, but she is a novice as well, which makes it almost the same.) Dance “gave” every scene to Maisie by not stepping on her lines, by making his delivery deliberate, by lowering the timbre of his voice, but she delivered—never “cute,” or flirtatious, or mannered, or too knowing, or bratty—she could easily have been any of those. She was also directed by someone different in all those episodes so she was on her own. Her delivery was very natural, yet very informed. GOT’s Arya is creepy—-made desperate by circumstances, with one foot in the supernatural world and one in the natural world, too old for her years while still very much a child. Vulnerable enough to be cheered for yet capable of murder. An almost impossible part to play.

  161. Mrs. H'ghar
    Posted June 14, 2012 at 4:25 pm | Permalink

    jkb:
    am i the only one who liked maisie better last year? *duck*

    Yes, probably. A woman thinks you are in a minority there. But mad props for speaking up!

  162. Joël Linger
    Posted June 14, 2012 at 4:27 pm | Permalink

    Lex,

    I totally agree. He was fantastic in John Adams and deservedly got the acting nods for it.he continued his great performances with GoT. He will get a nod for it eventually.

  163. Mrs. H'ghar
    Posted June 14, 2012 at 4:28 pm | Permalink

    Zack:
    Mrs. H’ghar,

    Good post.

    Dillane *was* pretty freaking wonderful. I loved his bromance with Davos as much as I did his Mel stuff. I neglected to mention him of Gleason as worthy awards winners, but they are. Charles Dance too.

    As for Kit, I think next season should give him more opportunity for greater range. His arc in the book wasn’t as good as the first or third books.

    I’m also seeing a lot of love for Lena’s Cersei. For the longest time, I just didn’t see it, but I’m really starting to enjoy her scenes lately. Especially in episode 19. I have to say she’s absolutely worthy of an Emmy.

    A woman thanks you. You are probably right about Kit, he’ll have a “meatier” year next year in plot terms. Seems D&D should know a year ahead who’s going to have a better chance next year than this year, and nominate accordingly. But that’s probably not how it works. Sigh.

  164. Mrs. H'ghar
    Posted June 14, 2012 at 4:31 pm | Permalink

    DH87: Yet almost all actors dread playing opposite children. A child is either an inadvertent scene stealer (by being “cute,” stepping on lines, not listening, or seeming to listen, during the adult’s speech, etc.) or an attention hog, requiring endless takes or TLCfrom the director. (I do realize that at 15 Maisie probably no longer qualifies as a child, but she is a novice as well, which makes it almost the same.) Dance “gave” every scene to Maisie by not stepping on her lines, by making his delivery deliberate, by lowering the timbre of his voice, but she delivered—never “cute,”or flirtatious, or mannered, or too knowing, or bratty—she could easily have been any of those. She was also directed by someone different in all those episodes so she was on her own. Her delivery was very natural, yet very informed. GOT’s Arya is creepy—-made desperate by circumstances, with one foot in the supernatural world and one in the natural world, too old for her years while still very much a child. Vulnerable enough to be cheered for yet capable of murder. An almost impossible part to play.

    Indeed. A woman agrees that Maisie Williams is the biggest surprise of the series. One might have expected the older actors to shine given the material, but little Arya? WOW.

  165. Langkard
    Posted June 14, 2012 at 4:34 pm | Permalink

    I will be happy for any of the GOT cast and crew who end up in the official nominations and even happier for any who win.

    I don’t understand this need some people have to puff up their chests and thump on said chests their disagreement with others’ choices. Even worse, those who go further and actually insult people for making different choices.

    “No, he should be nominated!”

    “No, you’re wrong, she should be!”

    “No, that person can’t act!”

    “No, that person wasn’t as good as some other person.”

    Sheesh.

    I’m just happy we have such an all-around incredible cast and crew; all of whom – even the youngest – are more mature than some of the people posting in this thread.

  166. Mrs. H'ghar
    Posted June 14, 2012 at 4:50 pm | Permalink

    Langkard:
    I will be happy for any of the GOT cast and crew who end up in the official nominations and even happier for any who win.

    I don’t understand this need some people have to puff up their chests and thump on said chests their disagreement…

    I’m just happy we have such an all-around incredible cast and crew; all of whom – even the youngest – are more mature than some of the people posting in this thread.

    A woman is in agreement that keeping things positive is a more pleasant experience for all reading the thread. Disagreement is fine, but getting personal about it is not. It is known that the GoT cast is an embarrassment of riches. This woman is grateful for all.

  167. Real TC
    Posted June 14, 2012 at 4:55 pm | Permalink

    Dinklage is probably a hair better then the others but i thought actor that played davos was pretty awesome. also – charles dance was great. liked stannis actor too. really great acting on this show.

  168. Real TC
    Posted June 14, 2012 at 4:56 pm | Permalink

    Brianne too – that actress was awesome – really brought her character to life for me.

  169. Mimsy
    Posted June 14, 2012 at 4:56 pm | Permalink

    jkb: jkb
    Posted June 14, 2012 at 4:19 pm | Permalink
    am i the only one who liked maisie better last year? *duck*

    *throws squeaky rubber duck*

    YES, I think u might be. SHAME on you! lol

  170. Mrs. H'ghar
    Posted June 14, 2012 at 4:57 pm | Permalink

    Real TC:
    Brianne too – that actress was awesome – really brought her character to life for me.

    Absolutely! This season was just the intro to her, she’ll have more scenes next season (hope).

  171. Macha
    Posted June 14, 2012 at 4:59 pm | Permalink

    Really, who cares about the Emmys when we’ve got the WIC.net awards coming up?! ;)

  172. Lex
    Posted June 14, 2012 at 4:59 pm | Permalink

    mags giantsbabe,

    I don’t think the fault lies with Kit Harington. I’ve heard great things about his acting skills; I just don’t think the writing (particularly in Season 2) gave him a chance to shine. He didn’t have enough dialogue, and was mostly forced to just stand around with that dumstruck look on his face. Jon’s storyline was also handled quite poorly this season (only Robb’s was worse, IMO)… but I don’t think that’s Kit’s fault at all.

    I’m hoping Season 3 redeems TV-Jon. If Book 2 (and Season 2) belongs to Tyrion/Theon, I’d say Book 3 belongs to Dany and Jon. Let’s hope they have some great material to work with next year.

  173. Lex
    Posted June 14, 2012 at 5:00 pm | Permalink

    Real TC:
    Dinklage is probably a hair better then the others but i thought actor that played davos was pretty awesome.also – charles dance was great.liked stannis actor too.really great acting on this show.

    Yeah, I really think GOT has the BEST ensemble cast on TV, period. Let’s hope Nina Gold gets recognized for casting this year.

  174. Maxwell James
    Posted June 14, 2012 at 5:00 pm | Permalink

    DH87: Yet almost all actors dread playing opposite children.

    Sure. Because most kids are bad collaborators. It’s a learned skill.

    Again, I agree with you that Maisie is an excellent young actor, but as even you suggest in your response, no one had to “hold their own” – he played off her strengths, and she played off his. If he had overstepped her lines, or not modulated his delivery to work with her – that would not have been good acting on his part.

    They made each other better. That’s what good actors do.

  175. Mimsy
    Posted June 14, 2012 at 5:04 pm | Permalink

    Macha: Macha
    Posted June 14, 2012 at 4:59 pm | Permalink
    Really, who cares about the Emmys when we’ve got the WIC.net awards coming up?! ;)

    I would nominate HOT PIE for best name ever. I mean really, who would name a character Hot Pie?! =)

    It’s just so yummy.

  176. Sanette
    Posted June 14, 2012 at 5:11 pm | Permalink

    Lex,

    Finally someone who noticed that it’s the writing that is to blame. Kit did all he could with his almost non-existent scenes this season. They dumbed down his character and took away all his great scenes from the book. I really don’t get why it’s always Kit who gets so much hate. I mean, Emilia is overacting in most of her scenes but no one seems to notice. The ignorance here is really mind-boggling.

  177. Lex
    Posted June 14, 2012 at 5:17 pm | Permalink

    Sanette,

    I actually found Kit’s acting to be pretty good, in the scene where he tells Commander Mormont about Craster giving away his children, and the scene where he tells Ygritte that he has the blood of the First Men.

    The rest of his scenes had very little dialogue to work with.

    As I said above, I really hope they give Jon (and Dany) better quality writing to work with next year, as I feel their storylines are central to Book 3. They deserve it.

  178. Macha
    Posted June 14, 2012 at 5:19 pm | Permalink

    Mimsy,
    Hot Pie for:
    Best name.
    Best interrupted monologue.
    Best absent battlecry.
    Best stare-down.
    Most accurate definition of a battle.

  179. Mrs. H'ghar
    Posted June 14, 2012 at 5:25 pm | Permalink

    Macha:
    Mimsy,
    Hot Pie for:
    Best name.
    Best interrupted monologue.
    Best absent battlecry.
    Best stare-down.
    Most accurate definition of a battle.

    A woman disagrees with “Best interrupted monologue” since Shae gets that one for episode 10, “When I was 13…,” but the others – Hot Pie FTW!

  180. Sanette
    Posted June 14, 2012 at 5:25 pm | Permalink

    Lex,

    His scenes early in the season are really good. I love the one with Sam and Gilly. Great acting from all of them. But then it’s just a mess. Not only he didn’t get enough dialogue but he’s told by literally every character he meets that he’s dumb and for some reason the script requires that he also looks dumb. You can’t really give an oscar quality performance in those scenes. And without Kit’s expressive face the whole scene with Qhorin would go to hell. I don’t mean by this that he deserves an Emmy but he is not to blame for the way they’ve written and screwed up Jon’s storyline and character this season.

  181. Mimsy
    Posted June 14, 2012 at 5:36 pm | Permalink

    Mrs. H’ghar: Macha:
    Mimsy,
    Hot Pie for:

    Let’s not forget the best pissing contest. Nailed it with those acting chops of his.

    Best interrupted monologue… hmm.. oh wait… what about Theon’s head bash? That was hilariously classic! Total braveheart moment and BAM! lol *tears*

  182. Two Feathers
    Posted June 14, 2012 at 5:38 pm | Permalink

    Mrs. H’ghar: A woman has thought hard about this, and believes that Tom Wlaschiha should have been submitted as “guest actor” for this season.

    A woman obviously loves a man…..no surprises there…..:)
    Great post by the way.
    I have no great love for award ceremonies in general and the Emmys in particular, imo all the cast and crew have done their best and that is all you can do at the end of the day.
    Regarding Jack Gleesons lack of recognition, I think thats the way he likes it. He is “The Quiet Man” personified , and I can totally relate to that. Kudos me bucko.

  183. Mrs. H'ghar
    Posted June 14, 2012 at 5:48 pm | Permalink

    Two Feathers: A woman obviously loves a man…..no surprises there…..:)
    Great post by the way.
    I have no great love for award ceremonies in general and the Emmys in particular, imo all the cast and crew have done their best and that is all you can do at the end of the day.
    Regarding Jack Gleesons lack of recognition, I think thats the way he likes it. He is “The Quiet Man” personified , and I can totally relate to that. Kudos me bucko.

    Ahh yes, a woman is slightly enamored…but still, “guest actor” would be apropos for a one season character, no? And Thanks for the props 2Feathers!

    Gleeson may want the recognition later in life…but isn’t it possible that it’s harder to win with a heinous character anyway? We love to hate them, but give awards to the heroes mostly, amiright?

  184. Katie
    Posted June 14, 2012 at 5:54 pm | Permalink

    Lex,

    I think that’s a good point. I think my favorite scenes of Jon”s are the ones where he shares with Sam, because they allow him to display quite a bit more personality and dynamism.

    Part of the reason that Peter Dinklage and Alfie Allen (deservedly) have gotten a lot of praise this year is that they were allowed to play full character arcs that showed them change and develop. It allows for variety and it makes their characters more compelling and authentic.

    Jon’s character, on the other hand, is a very similar place to where he was in early season one. He’s well meaning, but has issues with authority and identity. That hasn’t changed much (yet) and it’s not fair to blame Kit Harington when it feels a bit flat. At this point, Jon’s also just a really repressed character. He’s very stoic, because he feels he always has to be very dutiful. And that doesn’t always make for flashy acting, but it’s allowed him to play some nicely subtle scenes (his barely in check frustration with Ygritte was well-played) that suggest that he could be an excellent actor down the line when the scripts allow Jon to develop a bit more.

  185. Moff
    Posted June 14, 2012 at 5:58 pm | Permalink

    I agree that dinklage should have been submittet for lead actor, and Id just love to see maisie williams get a nomination, she was truly amazing, not just, but especially for her age.

    and they could have submittet tom wlahiha, too. nothing against kit harrington or richard matten, but toms performance was much more enjoyable.

  186. Eleanor
    Posted June 14, 2012 at 6:06 pm | Permalink

    DH87,

    wtf? Saoirse Ronan is NOT from the UK.

    We may be a small country, but Ireland has proven over and over again that we punch above our weight in the arts, and that includes our promising young actors.

  187. loco73
    Posted June 14, 2012 at 6:08 pm | Permalink

    Hey off topic but…I was flipping the channels and found CNN…I guess what I saw…HBO issuing and apology on behalf of “Game Of Thrones”…apparently in Episode 10, when Joffrey makes Sansa watch the Ned’s head on the spike, and the Septon’s, other heads appear in the picture…

    I have no idea why, or how this happened, or from where they got the info (they were showing a clip of the show) but apparently the first head on the left (with long muddied hair) is a replica which looks like George W. Bush’s head???!?!? I watched the show soo many damn times…and had no idea about that, nor do I care…I really didn’t need to know this bit of information…

    What is even more disturbing is that HBO said in their statement that “they will remove that image/commentary from all future DVD/Blue-Ray productions!!!! So basically they’ll censor themselves and pull a Lucas on us, for something that is barely visible, and would have remained unknown but for the dumb sonuvabitch that made it into an issue…geeeesh!

    The link to the story is below…

    http://www.cnn.com/2012/06/14/showbiz/hbo-bush-thrones-ew/index.html

  188. Two Feathers
    Posted June 14, 2012 at 6:28 pm | Permalink

    Mrs. H’ghar,

    Yes , joking aside, I think Tom really did a great job. If there was a ” guest actor” category he would surely get my vote. You never know, he may show up again at some point in the future. No one knows how that story arc will pan out. I was thinking of an old Simpsons episode were groundskeeper Willie is a “Freddy” type character and as he sinks in the sinky sand he changes through all the faces and forms he used throughout the episode, before he disappears. Something like that would be cool for the faceless man. Or maybe he could show up in a flash back/ dream sequence. Who knows?
    Not sure if Jack will want recognition in the future. If he ever wants to get back into acting in later life he has one hell of a CV. If not he will have to be content with his millions of Euros ……poor lad…..:)

  189. Greg
    Posted June 14, 2012 at 6:35 pm | Permalink

    Kit was just fine this season, but apart from getting captured by wildings and killing Halfhand, I don’t remember much of his story. :/

    Nikolaj wasn’t in a lot of scenes, but he smashed the shit out of every scene he was in. Especially ep 7. Wouldn’t mind seeing him nominated.

    Richard was great, but Emmy-worthy? I don’t know. I just think most of the others submitted are a lot better.

    PETER SHOULD BE LEAD ACTOR. I don’t even care if he wins, he is the star of the show. (which I would like to happen, as he was quite magnificent). Putting him in the Supporting category is derp.

    ALFIE. PLEASE LET ALFIE WIN SOMETHING. Good god, this was Theon’s season, man. Seriously. The burning of the letter, his baptism, and his final scene with Luwin are some of the show’s most powerful moments.

    Emilia? Hmm. Aside from the House of the Undying stuff, I wasn’t particularly intrigued by much of Dany’s story this past season. She was quite good in the finale, but not Emmy-worthy.

    Lena was fantastic, the way she could go from sympathetic to detestable in seconds was really great. Definitely wouldn’t mind seeing her nominated.

    Michelle was great as Cat and definitely makes her infinitely more likable than she is in the books (I like Catelyn, but she can be a bit rash and the way she treats Jon makes me want to kill stuff). Emmy-worthy? I don’t know.

    Sophie is awesome. Even in Season 1, when Sansa was still an annoying little brat, she still played the role perfectly. Now, though… Sansa’s a lot more complex and Sophie brings her to life perfectly. Honestly, I think she may be the most talented of the child actors.

    Save for maybe Maisie. I would love to see either her or Sophie win.

  190. BeavertonSteve
    Posted June 14, 2012 at 6:44 pm | Permalink

    loco73,

    I’m suprised we haven’t seen an WiC article on this yet. Google “Game of Thrones George Bush” and you’ll see more news articles than I’ve ever seen about the show.

    I don’t really care what prop heads they used, but why did they have to point it out on the DVD? I would guess that GoT is one of the few audiences that HBO has for their original programming that actually has a good number of conservative viewers. Why risk alienating even a small portion of them when subscriptions are so valuable.

  191. Macha
    Posted June 14, 2012 at 6:58 pm | Permalink

    BeavertonSteve: but why did they have to point it out on the DVD?

    Because it’s a fun bit of trivia and should be regarded as such? What’s up with the belated reaction? The DVD has been out for months now. It didn’t cause an uproar then, why should it cause one now? Man, talk about a slow news day.
    I’m suprised we haven’t seen a Hot Pie article yet, frankly. He deserves it way more than this bit of so-called news.

  192. Lex
    Posted June 14, 2012 at 6:59 pm | Permalink

    BeavertonSteve:
    loco73,

    I’m suprised we haven’t seen an WiC article on this yet.

    Scroll up, people. WiC has already given his reasons for not posting an article. I agree 100%, this ridiculous story is A) old news, and B) has already received way more attention than it deserves. Moving on…

  193. Alan
    Posted June 14, 2012 at 7:16 pm | Permalink

    Ours is the Fury:
    Lena was incredible this year. I hope she gets a nomination and wins the whole damn thing.

    Alfie, too.

    Lena Headey is not getting enough credit. She was awesome this year.

  194. BeavertonSteve
    Posted June 14, 2012 at 7:17 pm | Permalink

    Lex,

    Thanks. I started reading through the comments with no luck at first.

    Overblown or not, in today’s media I give it a 90% chance of blowing over quickly and a 10% chance that we won’t hear the end of this for a while and WiC eventually posts a closed blog post about it.

  195. What is Dead may....
    Posted June 14, 2012 at 7:18 pm | Permalink

    Mimsy:
    Best interrupted monologue… hmm.. oh wait… what about Theon’s head bash?That was hilariously classic!Total braveheart moment and BAM!lol*tears*

    LOL, that scene truly was hilarious! Though I’m not sure if it qualifies as “interrupted monologue”, because he kind of got his speech done. Unless you count the interrupted *AAAAAARRRR……* :D

  196. Alan
    Posted June 14, 2012 at 7:20 pm | Permalink

    Bonnie Blue:
    The emotional scene between Tyrion and Shae really kind of disgusted me – that made up scene for the show just made me cringe.So out of character for Tyrion, and it made me think they wrote that scene for Peter to have some sort of emotional clip to show at the awards shows…. I love Peter’s portrayal of Tyrion, but that scene just left me with a bad taste.I hated it!

    I’ll bite. I can see how TV-Shae is radically different than book-Shae. But I don’t see how Tyrion was out of character in any.

    In the books, Tyrion is so desperate for affection that he falls in love with a prostitute that shows no signs of real affection for. He constantly questions why he is doing so — as he consciously knows he is paying for her. But he clearly cares very much for her.

    In the show, he is falling for a prostitute as well. He questions as well, why she is there — for money or because she cares for him. Except this Shae is different, and she’s smart and interesting and seems very much like she loves Tyrion right back.

    In what world would he not respond to that?

  197. tysnow
    Posted June 14, 2012 at 7:21 pm | Permalink

    Macha,

    What’s up with the belated reaction

    The delay in this hitting the media is because Emmy noms are going out, and the network competition against GoT purposely waited till now so as to create this brewha. The reason, create a backlash and kill GoT chances of winning Emmy’s. Weinstein Bros when they were at Miramax were notorious for playing these types of dirty tricks prior to Oscar time.

  198. Turncloak
    Posted June 14, 2012 at 7:30 pm | Permalink

    Question? When Ned was asked to confess his treason at the sept of baelor, why didn’t he just ask for trial by combat?

  199. JamesL
    Posted June 14, 2012 at 7:38 pm | Permalink

    tysnow,
    “The delay in this hitting the media is because Emmy noms are going out, and the network competition against GoT purposely waited till now so as to create this brewha. The reason, create a backlash and kill GoT chances of winning Emmy’s. Weinstein Bros when they were at Miramax were notorious for playing these types of dirty tricks prior to Oscar time.”

    lol no, somebody posted it on reddit and then the website io9.com posted about it and it just spread from there.

  200. MartinK
    Posted June 14, 2012 at 7:52 pm | Permalink

    Turncloak:
    Question? When Ned was asked to confess his treason at the sept of baelor, why didn’t he just ask for trial by combat?

    Trial by combat would have been too risky for Ned’s children. Had Ned lost, they would have been in, well, the situation they were in after Joffrey reneged on the deal to send Ned to the Wall and executed Ned instead. I don’t remember the exact details but a confession would have spared him, his family, the North, and the realm itself from a worst case scenario. Joffrey’s perfidy did ultimately result in what Ned’s confession hoped to avoid.

    Also, it wasn’t as if Ned himself were fit for combat. He had an injured leg, as you’ll recall. He could have named a champion to represent him, of course, but Joff and Cersei had already pretty much wiped out his allies at King’s Landing, so who could he have named? Yoren? Unlikely.

    No, Ned’s goose was cooked.

  201. WildSeed
    Posted June 14, 2012 at 8:12 pm | Permalink

    Turncloak,

    Ned was exhausted and sought only courage before dying. Being surrounded by
    your enemies and loss of his best friend was enough to cloud anyone’s thoughts.
    Still Varys’ words penetrated his gloom and he prostrated himself to save the
    life of his daughters. I think he knew he would die in spite of Cersei’s promise.
    If only he were a Shapeshifter like TB Sam Malone and flew away. Hell I could
    use some wings right about now.

  202. WildSeed
    Posted June 14, 2012 at 8:23 pm | Permalink

    Alan,

    Lena was interviewed by E News a few months ago about her GoT character. She
    lol saying the cast was actually post production S1 at Comic Con signing photos
    for fans and one woman snatched her copy stating that she was that ” Lannister
    Bitch Cersei “. The autograph signing line continued it’s que and she lol thinking
    that she must be doing something right (: Really she deserves a trophy as does
    Charles Dance and Alfie Allen.

  203. Aegon the Conqueror
    Posted June 14, 2012 at 9:06 pm | Permalink

    ieiazel,

    Yes that’s exactly what I mean. After winning the WIC.net award for best supporting actress I was sure she’d be nominated for an emmy this year

  204. Aegon the Conqueror
    Posted June 14, 2012 at 9:11 pm | Permalink

    Can’t wait to see the results of this year’s WIC.net awards. They might not be as prestigious as an emmy, but I think if you win an award based soley on fans reaction to your interpretation of a character it means a whole lot more than the opinions of a few old dry men. At least this way the most deserving actors/actresses (Charles Dance, Maisie Williams) will win.
    Thanks to every person working on GOT for making the most awesome tv show ever created! Thank you for your passion! Although we fans can complain sometimes we love what you do!

  205. Aegon the Conqueror
    Posted June 14, 2012 at 9:16 pm | Permalink

    WildSeed,

    If Ned confessed he would have been allowed to take the black, his children would be spared, Robb would become Lord of Winterfell provided he swore fealty to Joffrey.
    You have to wonder if Ned knew what was about to happen to the Stark’s in the war, whether it wouldn’t have been better if he had just exposed Joffrey.

  206. Jess
    Posted June 14, 2012 at 9:26 pm | Permalink

    Aegon the Conqueror:
    Can’t wait to see the results of this year’s WIC.net awards. They might not be as prestigious as an emmy, but I think if you win an award based soley on fans reaction to your interpretation of a character it means a whole lot more than the opinions of a few old dry men. At least this way the most deserving actors/actresses (Charles Dance, Maisie Williams) will win.
    Thanks to every person working on GOT for making the most awesome tv show ever created! Thank you for your passion! Although we fans can complain sometimes we love what you do!

    Not necessarily, if anything the WIC awards are more of a popularity contest amongst the fans.

    Should be fun competition this year, particularly the supporting actress category. It is going to be a tough category to call a winner in. I thought all the supporting actresses this season were amazing.

    My apologies for going off topic.

  207. WildSeed
    Posted June 14, 2012 at 9:36 pm | Permalink

    Aegon the Conqueror,

    Correct me if I’m wrong but “The War” began after Eddard Starks beheading, both
    in the books and GoT. Many concluded ,i.e. Tywin, Tyrion, Cersei, not to mention
    all of the North that this incident resulted in it’s creation of the war. I believe Ned
    wore his badge honor like a suit of mail, when surrounded by enemies he had
    the courage to face death and join the other Northern lords and kings below
    Winterfell. RIP. I haven’t read book 1 for some time, but I think his last thoughts
    were to prolong the life of his daughters. He had no notion of Robb’s actions ,
    only Catelyn’s.

  208. patchy face
    Posted June 14, 2012 at 10:04 pm | Permalink

    Conleth
    Lena
    Best drama series
    GRRM for Blackwater!

    it is known–

  209. Knurk
    Posted June 14, 2012 at 10:09 pm | Permalink

    Bonnie Blue:
    The emotional scene between Tyrion and Shae really kind of disgusted me – that made up scene for the show just made me cringe.So out of character for Tyrion, and it made me think they wrote that scene for Peter to have some sort of emotional clip to show at the awards shows…. I love Peter’s portrayal of Tyrion, but that scene just left me with a bad taste.I hated it!

    I actually think this scene convinced me PD isn’t the best actor on GoT. His emotional delivery felt really clunky for me, as did some other scenes where he needed to bring some gravitas. I really like his interpretation but sometimes his overly forced British accent just sits in the way for the real emotional moments.

    Also, best Guest Actor nomination for Spice King please, that guy was freakin’ hilarious. ” BUT NOT WITH MY SHIPS.” Yes FaB, I am not kidding. Give this man an emmy please!

  210. Myles McNutt
    Posted June 14, 2012 at 10:12 pm | Permalink

    While I think Matt S.’s explanation offers some insight, in regards to the main title design category:

    I don’t think there are any actual roles about what can and cannot be submitted, but there are shows that submit tweaked credits. For example, the Survivor credits are submitted every year, and yet the basic design (theme song, structure) don’t change. However, there’s still labor in creating new images to feed the design, and cutting it with new footage, so they get away with the submission (but never gain a nomination).

    So I think HBO *could* have probably submitted the Game of Thrones credits again if they wanted to, based on the new locations, but my guess is they felt that the design principles remained the same, and therefore submitting it again would actually reflect poorly on the show (as they aren’t submitting wholly original work) as opposed to helping it.

  211. Bonnie Blue
    Posted June 14, 2012 at 10:13 pm | Permalink

    Alan,

    I hear ya, HOWEVER… to me, Tyrion does care for Shae, but he would never show that emotion to her. His whole life he has had to curb his feelings. The fact that he would open up to her like that, I just didn’t like it. And I felt like it was emmy bait. That’s what really bothered me, I suppose. I bet when they show a clip during the emmys (and I believe he will get nominated again, and everyone else ignored) that is the clip they will show. Just didn’t think it rang true. I know they have to make changes since viewers who haven’t read the books can’t get into the character’s heads like the readers can, but I really believe in staying true to the characters and this scene just didn’t ring true to Tyrion’s character. Just my opinion :)
    By the way, don’t mean to trash on Peter’s performance, I really love his portrayal of Tryrion. I just wish (and hope) that some of the other great actors get recognized this year… He is not a one man show!

  212. Lex
    Posted June 14, 2012 at 10:13 pm | Permalink

    Knurk: I actually think this scene convinced me PD isn’t the best actor on GoT. His emotional delivery felt really clunky for me, as did some other scenes where he needed to bring some gravitas. I really like his interpretation but sometimes his overly forced British accent just sits in the way for the real emotional moments.

    I actually liked that scene, I felt genuine emotion at the end… but it was a bit clunky at first (especially when Pete said “And I like it!”). You’re right, the accent is the one weakness in his portrayal… But I felt it was slightly better this season. I find it works best when the accent is softer and more subtle, closer to (but not quite) his regular voice.

  213. Ours is the Fury
    Posted June 14, 2012 at 10:14 pm | Permalink

    I thought Dinklage was amazing in that scene. Couldn’t disagree more, to be honest.

    Emmys, like most awards, are rarely about who is actually the best.

    I don’t think Tena is that fantastic actually. I like her, but I don’t think she’s had a lot of challenging things to do in the role. I wouldn’t nominate her.

  214. Lex
    Posted June 14, 2012 at 10:16 pm | Permalink

    Ours is the Fury:
    I don’t think Tena is that fantastic actually. I like her, but I don’t think she’s had a lot of challenging things to do in the role.I wouldn’t nominate her.

    I thought Tena was much better this season. Last season, however, I just couldn’t figure out what all the positive fuss was about.

  215. Bonnie Blue
    Posted June 14, 2012 at 10:17 pm | Permalink

    Knurk,

    I actually think Peter’s best scene this year was the Blackwater episode, the part where he realized he was going to have to go into battle…. He was great in that episode. No more teary Tyrion, writers, PLEASE! :)

  216. Mrs. H'ghar
    Posted June 14, 2012 at 10:23 pm | Permalink

    Ours is the Fury:
    I thought Dinklage was amazing in that scene. Couldn’t disagree more, to be honest.

    Emmys, like most awards, are rarely about who is actually the best.

    I don’t think Tena is that fantastic actually. I like her, but I don’t think she’s had a lot of challenging things to do in the role.I wouldn’t nominate her.

    A woman agrees with you, PD was great in that scene, made a woman tear up herself. Once in a while the accent seems a bit stiff, but mostly doesn’t bother me. Tena is good, but agree that she hasn’t proven herself Emmy worthy just yet. Maybe next year.

  217. james yar
    Posted June 14, 2012 at 10:27 pm | Permalink

    THE G.W. BUSH HEAD SCANDAL NEEDS TO BE ADDRESSED. There is no honor in hiding from negative publicity, it is known.

  218. Lex
    Posted June 14, 2012 at 10:34 pm | Permalink

    james yar:
    THE G.W. BUSH HEAD SCANDAL NEEDS TO BE ADDRESSED. There is no honor in hiding from negative publicity, it is known.

    It’s been addressed by the rest of the internet. The rest of us don’t give a shit. It is known.

  219. Bonnie Blue
    Posted June 14, 2012 at 10:34 pm | Permalink

    james yar,

    I think everyone’s sick of it already…. it has been discussed (read the threads from last night and all day today) and I think everyone wants to talk about more interesting things! I do, anyway :) It’s kind of a stupid story.

  220. Knurk
    Posted June 14, 2012 at 10:39 pm | Permalink

    Bonnie Blue:
    Knurk,

    I actually think Peter’s best scene this year was the Blackwater episode, the part where he realized he was going to have to go into battle…. He was great in that episode.No more teary Tyrion, writers, PLEASE!:)

    I think his strongest moments were with Cersei (& the Small Council) this year. When he has to act emotionally without speaking he knocks it out of the park for me, but when he’s starting to talk in his high voice it takes me out of the scene. A matter of personal taste of course. This also feels like complaining my Audi hasn’t got free WiFi btw so never mind me.

  221. Lex
    Posted June 14, 2012 at 10:41 pm | Permalink

    KnurkThis also feels like complaining my Audi hasn’t got free WiFi btw so never mind me.

    WHAT?!? Other people’s Audis have free WiFi? (flips table)

  222. Bonnie Blue
    Posted June 14, 2012 at 10:43 pm | Permalink

    Knurk,

    Haha! Yes, I agree. But that Blackwater scene (I”m talking about the one where he realized he would have to lead the attack) that was a great nonverbal scene, where you could just see it on his face that he couldn’t believe he was actually saying, I will lead the attack. I also love the scenes with Cersai. Those two have a great chemistry on screen. Their relationship is so screwed up, it’s fun to watch the two of them despise each other!

  223. Ours is the Fury
    Posted June 14, 2012 at 10:45 pm | Permalink

    james yar,

    We all knew about the Bush mask on a stick three months ago when the DVDs came out. It was discussed and laughed over then. Who cares that io9 and some other sites picked up on now? It’s old news. GoT nerds were way ahead of the curve on this one. :)

  224. Lex
    Posted June 14, 2012 at 10:47 pm | Permalink

    Ours is the Fury,

    To be fair, it’s not just io9 and some other sites. Today, it’s on nearly every major North American news site and newspaper, national and local. Which, in itself, is utterly ridiculous.

  225. Bonnie Blue
    Posted June 14, 2012 at 10:49 pm | Permalink

    I haven’t seen anyone commenting on the actor who plays Littlefinger, Aidan Gillen. He is really fantastic in that role, just how I pictured him in the books. Just wanted to give him some recognition, sorry if people already have, but I haven’t noticed anything recently!

  226. Knurk
    Posted June 14, 2012 at 10:49 pm | Permalink

    Bonnie Blue,

    yes, he and Cersei are the absolute best in acting without talking (like the Blackwater scenes you mentioned). Last year Sean Bean, Jason Momoa and Mark Addy shone (is this a word?) in this area but it seems the directors were putting more emphasis on this area this year. A lot of great non-talking moments this year, makes for great rewatching when you see actors on the background acting their asses off without having the spotlight.

  227. Lex
    Posted June 14, 2012 at 10:52 pm | Permalink

    Bonnie Blue,

    When Aidan Gillen was first cast, many people (including myself) were thrilled, having enjoyed his performance in The Wire.

    But whether it’s the writing or the actor himself, TV-Littlefinger has been one of the more controversial characters. From what I’ve read, here and on other forums, people aren’t exactly thrilled with him.

    I personally think it’s the writing that’s to blame (as with Jon Snow), not the actor.

  228. Bonnie Blue
    Posted June 14, 2012 at 10:54 pm | Permalink

    Knurk,

    Shone can be a word (if you wish!) no problem with it here…. I think Maisie is great at the nonverbal scenes as well. I think she is fantastic. Her scenes with Jaquen (SP??? sorry) were some of the highlights this last season…. I thought he was GREAT (Tom wlashciha) too. I loved their scenes together.

  229. Bonnie Blue
    Posted June 14, 2012 at 10:56 pm | Permalink

    Lex,

    Hmmmm….. I don’t really understand why that would be. I didn’t see the Wire, so I wasn’t familiar with him as an actor. But I think he’s perfect as Littlefinger. It’s funny how some people are so passionate in their dislike of certain characters! I have only been on here for a few days, but I was shocked that a lot of people can’t stand Dany. To me, Littlefinger is a fun character! ( as they all are!)

  230. Knurk
    Posted June 14, 2012 at 11:00 pm | Permalink

    james yar:
    THE G.W. BUSH HEAD SCANDAL NEEDS TO BE ADDRESSED. There is no honor in hiding from negative publicity, it is known.

    you can discuss it here when this was actually a topic.

  231. Bonnie Blue
    Posted June 14, 2012 at 11:04 pm | Permalink

    Knurk,

    Haha! :) maybe he is new here…I’m new myself, so BE NICE. I am so sick of this story though, it needs to go away. I swear I am not going to respond to anything else relating to this stupid topic!!!!

  232. Lex
    Posted June 14, 2012 at 11:04 pm | Permalink

    Bonnie Blue,

    From what I gather, people feel his character has been changed. For example, book Littlefinger is very much a behind-the-scenes master manipulator… but on the TV show he’s constantly walking around gossiping and talking to everybody about the secrets he knows. He’s also much more of a scumbag, in his brothel-manager scenes.

  233. Mrs. H'ghar
    Posted June 14, 2012 at 11:08 pm | Permalink

    A woman keeps forgetting to mention Gethin Anthony, who was superb as Renly and also should probably have been nominated as “guest actor” since his story resided within this one season too. He was really good in all of his scenes, he displayed the gravitas of a king yet the humor of a young prince. Emmy nom for Gethin Anthony!

  234. Bonnie Blue
    Posted June 14, 2012 at 11:09 pm | Permalink

    Lex,

    That’s true, but I thought they were doing a pretty decent job on the show… it’s hard, having read the books, knowing how non book readers would react to certain things not knowing what the book readers know…. On the Liitlefinger note, what did you think of the scene in the final episode between Sansa and Littlefinger? I’m real careful not to provide any spoilers, I don’t know if there are a lot of non book readers on this site… But I was disappointed that they revealed that scene between them. To me, that was a huge surprise in the 3rd book, because I had no idea that he was behind the scenes in that particular incident (with Sansa)… thoughts?

  235. Zack
    Posted June 14, 2012 at 11:10 pm | Permalink

    Lex,

    Pretty much this. I don’t really dig TV Littlefinger at all yet, despite book Littlefinger being awesomely creepy. I don’t blame Gillen, really. He’s over-the-top and absolutely overt when it doesn’t suit him, but I think that’s probably due to the writing and the scenes.

  236. Knurk
    Posted June 14, 2012 at 11:13 pm | Permalink

    Bonnie Blue,

    I’m sorry but I really hate people who think that writing in ALLCAPS think that their post will have more meaning.

    I’m actually a fan of the tv Littlefinger character, though I do think Gillen can add a bit more subtlety to it. The only thing that really bugged me about his storyline this year was the lame-ass pick-up trick: “Hey cat, here are your husbands bones. Wanna bang?” The “I can see you Arya” eye-acting was some brilliant stuff though.

  237. Lex
    Posted June 14, 2012 at 11:14 pm | Permalink

    Bonnie Blue,

    I didn’t mind the scene. I’m okay if they skip Ser Dontos altogether (I thought his acting was pretty awful in Episode 11). But you’re right, it ruins the eventual surprise reveal… which is exactly what they’ve been doing with TV-Littlefinger all along.

  238. Lex
    Posted June 14, 2012 at 11:15 pm | Permalink

    Knurk,

    I thought his attempt to hit on Catelyn was hilarious, because it made him look like an utter fool. Seriously, WTF was he thinking?!? Goes to show that Cat is his one major weakness.

    As for the Arya thing, I’m still undecided… Do you think he definitely recognized her?

  239. Mrs. H'ghar
    Posted June 14, 2012 at 11:17 pm | Permalink

    Knurk:
    Bonnie Blue,

    I’m sorry but I really hate people who think that writing in ALLCAPS think that their post will have more meaning.

    I’m actually a fan of the tv Littlefinger character, though I do think Gillen can add a bit more subtlety to it. The only thing that really bugged me about his storyline this year was the lame-ass pick-up trick: “Hey cat, here are your husbands bones. Wanna bang?” The “I can see you Arya” eye-acting was some brilliant stuff though.

    Knurk, Come on now, a man surely meant he hates it when PEOPLE USE ALL CAPS and NOT that he HATES THE PEOPLE WHO USE ALL CAPS to emphasize things? : – )

    A woman thinks Littlefinger is a bit of a scenery chewer at times, have’t been that impressed as of yet.

  240. Knurk
    Posted June 14, 2012 at 11:19 pm | Permalink

    Bonnie Blue: I’m real careful not to provide any spoilers, I don’t know if there are a lot of non book readers on this site…

    when talking about stuff that hasn’t happened yet in the tv-series it should be in spoilertags (the ‘b’ tags here). There are quite a lot of people here who haven’t read the third book yet. Anyway, though your comment is a very slight spoiler I won’t fret about it.

  241. Bonnie Blue
    Posted June 14, 2012 at 11:21 pm | Permalink

    Lex,

    Hey Knurk, sorry about the caps, you don’t need to hate me for that though! I get animated when talking about this show –
    Anyway, I think Littlefinger did not recognize Arya (is is okay if I cap the letters that I a supposed to cap, like names and such…???) I think there was a glimmer of recognition, but he didn’t quite catch it. But, I could be wrong

  242. Bonnie Blue
    Posted June 14, 2012 at 11:23 pm | Permalink

    Knurk,

    Wow… you are really being hard on me for some reason! I think my comment was very spoiler free. I am very careful not to reveal anything. If I revealed anything to anyone, sorry.
    Thanks so much for not fretting, that makes me breathe easier

  243. DH87
    Posted June 14, 2012 at 11:25 pm | Permalink

    Eleanor: We may be a small country, but Ireland has proven over and over again that we punch above our weight in the arts, and that includes our promising young actors.

    My apologies. Of course you’re right. Northern Ireland.

  244. Knurk
    Posted June 14, 2012 at 11:25 pm | Permalink

    Lex:
    Knurk,

    I thought his attempt to hit on Catelyn was hilarious, because it made him look like an utter fool. Seriously, WTF was he thinking?!? Goes to show that Cat is his one major weakness.

    As for the Arya thing, I’m still undecided… Do you think he definitely recognized her?

    yes, I eventually had to admit that tv-Littlefinger is an utter utter obvious fool, but i really like him. He probably plays the fool too, because in the Arya scene I knew for sure he recognized her. He immediately starts talking about the Starks when he made his little sneaky eye-movement. Hot damn, I really really really wanted to see the scene in the final episode when Tywin finds out Arya Stark isn’t in King’s Landing. Can you imagine the expression on his face?: FFFFUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUCKKKKKKKKKK! And then Tywin starts connecting the dots that Littlefinger was right there with him, could have made a brilliant scene.

  245. Mrs. H'ghar
    Posted June 14, 2012 at 11:27 pm | Permalink

    Bonnie Blue:
    Knurk,

    Wow… you are really being hard on me for some reason!I think my comment was very spoiler free.I am very careful not to reveal anything.If I revealed anything to anyone, sorry.
    Thanks so much for not fretting, that makes me breathe easier

    If you’re not sure, just click the spoiler button at the top of the text box and type your possible spoiler comments within the <b tags. It will black out the text and people will have to highlight it if they want to read it, so they only get spoiled if they WANT to get spoiled.

  246. Knurk
    Posted June 14, 2012 at 11:29 pm | Permalink

    Bonnie Blue,

    I wasn’t talking about you speaking in ALLCAPS Bonnie, I was talking about James Yar who was demanding a topic about GWB in ALLCAPS. Your posts have been a delight to read and are absolutely spoilerfree, I thought I would just point you out the spoiler-rules here.

  247. Mrs. H'ghar
    Posted June 14, 2012 at 11:31 pm | Permalink

    Knurk: yes, I eventually had to admit that tv-Littlefinger is an utter utter obvious fool, but i really like him. He probably plays the fool too, because in the Arya scene I knew for sure he recognized her. He immediately starts talking about the Starks when he made his little sneaky eye-movement. Hot damn, I really really really wanted to see the scene in the final episode when Tywin finds out Arya Stark isn’t in King’s Landing. Can you imagine the expression on his face?: FFFFUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUCKKKKKKKKKK! And then Tywin starts connecting the dots that Littlefinger was right there with him, could have made a brilliant scene.

    Oh yes, a woman also hopes that we get to see Tywin find out Arya’s not there in KL and put the pieces together…that will be AAAAAWWWWEEESOME (sorry about the caps Knurk, emphasis needed IMO).

  248. Bonnie Blue
    Posted June 14, 2012 at 11:32 pm | Permalink

    Mrs. H’ghar,

    Thanks! Like I said I am new here,
    I appreciate the help, trying to make friends here not get in snarky arguments with unknowns :) by the way, love your name, I am a big fan of his as well! He is in a new movie called Resistance (I’m sure you know), but if you haven’t read the book, you should, it is really great. Can’t wait to see the movie!

  249. Mrs. H'ghar
    Posted June 14, 2012 at 11:40 pm | Permalink

    Bonnie Blue:
    Mrs. H’ghar,

    Thanks!Like I said I am new here,
    I appreciate the help, trying to make friends here not get in snarky arguments with unknowns :)by the way, love your name, I am a big fan of his as well!He is in a new movie called Resistance (I’m sure you know), but if you haven’t read the book, you should, it is really great.Can’t wait to see the movie!

    A woman thanks you for your book recommendation, after reading ASOIAF again, I will look into that one. Hoping we’ll get the movie on Netflix before too long, or maybe at a local indy theatre.

  250. Knurk
    Posted June 14, 2012 at 11:40 pm | Permalink

    Mrs. H’ghar: Oh yes, a woman also hopes that we get to see Tywin find out Arya’s not there in KL and put the pieces together…that will be AAAAAWWWWEEESOME (sorry about the caps Knurk, emphasis needed IMO).

    when talking about Tywin ALLCAPS are pretty much obligatory. I am such a hypocrite.

  251. The Real TC
    Posted June 14, 2012 at 11:47 pm | Permalink

    Actor that played Bronn too. can’t believe i didn’t mention him. ah f-it – there are too many. Varys, etc. like asking a Dad to name his favorite kid.

  252. Mrs. H'ghar
    Posted June 14, 2012 at 11:52 pm | Permalink

    The Real TC:
    Actor that played Bronn too.can’t believe i didn’t mention him.ah f-it – there are too many. Varys, etc. like asking a Dad to name his favorite kid.

    So true! A woman also forgot to mention Jerome Flynn/Bronn, and he was awesome! Tweeted “Who knew Bronn could sing?” not realizing that Flynn is a well-known recording artist in the UK! A woman was flummoxed. He should get WiC awards for “Best singing of Rains of Castamere” by a cast member, “Best artistic disrobing of a ho,” and especially “Best one-sided smirk” which is Flynn’s forte. : – 0

  253. Bonnie Blue
    Posted June 14, 2012 at 11:57 pm | Permalink

    Mrs. H’ghar,

    Yes, I believe it is showing in Europe right now, so maybe we will get it here in the states in the fall…? Probably at an indie theatre like you said. The book was really good, and you can watch a movie trailer on youtube, it looks great. I was sad to see him go on Game of Thrones, he really brought that character to life! Some of my favorite scenes of the entire 2nd season.

  254. Bonnie Blue
    Posted June 14, 2012 at 11:58 pm | Permalink

    Knurk,

    Okay thanks! Sorry I thought you were busting my balls…. my apologies!

  255. Mrs. H'ghar
    Posted June 15, 2012 at 12:07 am | Permalink

    Bonnie Blue:
    Mrs. H’ghar,

    Yes, I believe it is showing in Europe right now, so maybe we will get it here in the states in the fall…?Probably at an indie theatre like you said.The book was really good, and you can watch a movie trailer on youtube, it looks great.I was sad to see him go on Game of Thrones, he really brought that character to life! Some of my favorite scenes of the entire 2nd season.

    If only we could have seen the scene from the book with Jaqen in a tub…, would have been the whipped cream on a woman’s sundae! : – )

  256. Bonnie Blue
    Posted June 15, 2012 at 12:09 am | Permalink

    Mrs. H’ghar,

    Yep! :)

  257. Bonnie Blue
    Posted June 15, 2012 at 12:15 am | Permalink

    The Real TC,

    I also loved the character Bronn, he was great in the books, but the actor who played him made him great! I always loved that character!

  258. mags giantsbabe
    Posted June 15, 2012 at 12:33 am | Permalink

    lex

    i’ll actually nominate kit for ‘did most with the least lines’ WIC award.

  259. death to lannisters
    Posted June 15, 2012 at 12:34 am | Permalink

    not just technical categories – I think they’ll win also win writing and supporting actor awards, plenty of em.

  260. Bonnie Blue
    Posted June 15, 2012 at 12:41 am | Permalink

    mags giantsbabe,

    I think Kit did a great job this season…. Jon Snow in the books is not very chatty to begin with, and he was missing during the whole second book, so I’m not sure why some people are giving him a hard time. I think he was great. Next season he will have more to do…

  261. death to lannisters
    Posted June 15, 2012 at 12:45 am | Permalink

    No comment from WiC on the GW Bush decapitated head flap? It’s topping Yahoo search right now. Will WiC keep the original DVD commentary as memorabilia? (HBO says the reference will be “removed from any future DVD production”).

  262. Lex
    Posted June 15, 2012 at 12:47 am | Permalink

    death to lannisters:
    No comment from WiC on the GW Bush decapitated head flap?

    He commented above:

    Because it is old news, the controversy is overblown, and the comment section would be a bitch to moderate.

  263. Bonnie Blue
    Posted June 15, 2012 at 1:03 am | Permalink

    For political discussions, you can go on CNN and comment about those things. I come here to talk about Game of Thrones and the fictional politics of Westeros.

  264. Joshua Taylor
    Posted June 15, 2012 at 1:27 am | Permalink

    I personally feel that show Littlefinger deliberately comes across as a fool, as someone so obvious in his machinations and his bitter hatred of his betters that his proficiency with money, skullduggery and passive aggressive sycophancy is why he is so tolerated by Cersei, Tywin et al. They don’t suspect him because he is TOO obvious to be suspected. It’s a leap to some, but that’s how I think D & D envision the small screen Lord Baelish and that’s how Aidan plays him.

    I have also argued that he is written and played in a theatrical fashion, a Shakespearean schemer armed with soliloquies and rapier like wit and barbed words. But I agree that the character needs a wee bit of subtlety every now and then.

  265. Bonnie Blue
    Posted June 15, 2012 at 1:46 am | Permalink

    Joshua Taylor,

    Like I said before, when you have read the books, it’s hard sometimes to be hard on the actors…. You know what is in the characters’ heads when you have read the books, so you have a bit of an advantage! It must be really difficult to adapt these books to the screen, I wouldn’t have attempted it. But I’m glad someone did! I think overall everyone is doing a great job. It is going to keep getting more and more difficult as the series goes on. Curious to see how they keep it up….

  266. Damryn of Dorne
    Posted June 15, 2012 at 1:58 am | Permalink

    Surprised there was not a post about the GW Bush fiasco. It’s all over the newsfeeds today. This is a Game of Thrones site is it not?

  267. Lex
    Posted June 15, 2012 at 2:04 am | Permalink

    Damryn of Dorne:
    This is a Game of Thrones site is it not?

    Yes, it’s a Game of Thrones site. Not a political forum or a news site.

  268. Joshua Taylor
    Posted June 15, 2012 at 2:07 am | Permalink

    Damryn of Dorne,

    Yeah I am kind of worried now. I just got back from EW.com and there’s already 29 pages on the topic. The right wing nutcases have taken over the thread completely. Many people declaring they are quitting the show/cancelling HBO.

    This was a premeditated hit against GoT’s Emmy submission chances , but I can actually see this becoming a boon for the show in the end. Controversy= people’s attention. Those who are more predisposed to not watching the show may catch on because of this.

  269. Bonnie Blue
    Posted June 15, 2012 at 2:10 am | Permalink

    Lex,

    Haha, Lex! You are getting frustrated about these GW head comments that keep popping up!!! Me too, I was on early this morning and swore I would not make another comment about it. Just feel your aggravation :)

  270. Lex
    Posted June 15, 2012 at 2:28 am | Permalink

    Bonnie Blue,

    Not aggravated, just sick of the story already. And I can’t see how a post here would possibly generate anything positive (or even new) in terms of discussion. HBO has already addressed the issue with a public apology. What value will any discussion here be? What would we even discuss, that hasn’t already been said? There’s not much to the story at all, really; they used a fake Bush head, without thinking, and some people got upset. End of story. Next.

    And like WiC said, he’d have a hell of a time moderating it. Just check the EW article, which already has over 500 angry political comments. Do we need that here? Do we want that? I know I don’t.

  271. Bonnie Blue
    Posted June 15, 2012 at 2:47 am | Permalink

    Lex,

    I agree! Hopefully it will be gone from here tomorrow. I enjoyed your posts, hope to chat with everyone tomorrow or over the weekend (hopefully there will be some new news!)

  272. Oliver Hardy
    Posted June 15, 2012 at 4:07 am | Permalink

    Jack Gleeson no doubt about it!

  273. Ross
    Posted June 15, 2012 at 5:06 am | Permalink

    Zack: Pretty much this. I don’t really dig TV Littlefinger at all yet, despite book Littlefinger being awesomely creepy. I don’t blame Gillen, really. He’s over-the-top and absolutely overt when it doesn’t suit him, but I think that’s probably due to the writing and the scenes.

    Count me as one who is not a fan of his performance. I can’t quite put my (little) finger on what the problem is. I know nothing about acting but from a layman’s perspective he sounds so wooden and stilted for some reason, as though he’s just reading his lines for the first time off a script. More or less every time he’s on screen it jars for me. It can’t be the writing (exceptional writing all round except for one character? I don’t think so) so I guess I just either don’t like the way Gillen has pitched the character or, frankly, his acting.

    I am watching The Wire for the first time at the moment (no spoilers on that please!) so I guess I will see the good side of Gillen soon.

  274. Sergio
    Posted June 15, 2012 at 5:21 am | Permalink

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ejUH9rrv69g

    Alternative OST composed by me!

  275. Biscotti
    Posted June 15, 2012 at 5:26 am | Permalink

    Ross,

    For me it’s the way he speaks so quickly.. and the places he pauses don’t sound natural. His delivery sounds forced. But I can see the Shakespearean theory.

  276. ieiazel
    Posted June 15, 2012 at 5:33 am | Permalink

    Greg:
    Kit was just fine this season, but apart from getting captured by wildings and killing Halfhand, I don’t remember much of his story. :/

    Nikolaj wasn’t in a lot of scenes, but he smashed the shit out of every scene he was in. Especially ep 7. Wouldn’t mind seeing him nominated.

    Richard was great, but Emmy-worthy? I don’t know. I just think most of the others submitted are a lot better.

    PETER SHOULD BE LEAD ACTOR. I don’t even care if he wins, he is the star of the show.(which I would like to happen, as he was quite magnificent). Putting him in the Supporting category is derp.

    ALFIE. PLEASE LET ALFIE WIN SOMETHING. Good god, this was Theon’s season, man. Seriously. The burning of the letter, his baptism, and his final scene with Luwin are some of the show’s most powerful moments.

    Emilia? Hmm. Aside from the House of the Undying stuff, I wasn’t particularly intrigued by much of Dany’s story this past season. She was quite good in the finale, but not Emmy-worthy.

    Lena was fantastic, the way she could go from sympathetic to detestable in seconds was really great. Definitely wouldn’t mind seeing her nominated.

    Michelle was great as Cat and definitely makes her infinitely more likable than she is in the books (I like Catelyn, but she can be a bit rash and the way she treats Jon makes me want to kill stuff). Emmy-worthy? I don’t know.

    Sophie is awesome. Even in Season 1, when Sansa was still an annoying little brat, she still played the role perfectly. Now, though… Sansa’s a lot more complex and Sophie brings her to life perfectly. Honestly, I think she may be the most talented of the child actors.

    Save for maybe Maisie. I would love to see either her or Sophie win.

    I agree with everything you say here.

    I have to say that, even though I believe Jack should have been submitted over Kit or Richard, there were some scenes in which Kit shone. He has such a great chemistry with Rose Leslie: when she is teasing him about being virgin, he looks at her with such a pride mingled with vulnerability and innocence… He was brilliant (and Rose Leslie as well). Their scenes were among my favourites in the last episodes.

  277. Ross
    Posted June 15, 2012 at 5:38 am | Permalink

    Biscotti,

    Yes that’s right, the pauses seem all in the wrong place.

    Giving him the benefit of the doubt for a second… I guess the character of Littlefinger IS acting the whole time, so his conversations are NOT natural conversations but more pre-composed lines in his head that he is delivering. So perhaps Gillen’s performance reflects this.

  278. Zack
    Posted June 15, 2012 at 7:26 am | Permalink

    Ross: Count me as one who is not a fan of his performance. I can’t quite put my (little) finger on what the problem is. I know nothing about acting but from a layman’s perspective he sounds so wooden and stilted for some reason, as though he’s just reading his lines for the first time off a script. More or less every time he’s on screen it jars for me. It can’t be the writing (exceptional writing all round except for one character? I don’t think so) so I guess I just either don’t like the way Gillen has pitched the character or, frankly, his acting.

    I am watching The Wire for the first time at the moment (no spoilers on that please!) so I guess I will see the good side of Gillen soon.

    I am envious that you get to see that for the first time. You have something special in store. Carcetti is a much better performance from him than Littlefinger has been, IMO.

  279. Macha
    Posted June 15, 2012 at 8:10 am | Permalink

    On the topic of Aidan Gillen/Littlefinger, my boyfriend and I both love him to bits, in spite of his theatricality, or better yet because of it. I actually believe his scene with Catelyn was a great, ultimately necessary, addition. Subtlety works great on Varys, perhaps the writers feared these two characters would be be perceived as being too similar, hence the changes in LF’s portrayal. The whole Dontos business still puzzles me, but I’ll wait and see how that storyline evolves in S3 before passing judgement on it.

    Mrs. H’ghar: He should get WiC awards for “Best singing of Rains of Castamere” by a cast member, “Best artistic disrobing of a ho,” and especially “Best one-sided smirk” which is Flynn’s forte.: – 0

    A woman forgot to add “Best manicure”. ;)

  280. purplejilly
    Posted June 15, 2012 at 8:29 am | Permalink

    Damryn of Dorne: Surprised there was not a post about the GW Bush fiasco. It’s all over the newsfeeds today. This is a Game of Thrones site is it not?

    The thing that surprised me that most was that HBO thought their largest audience demographic was older republicans? I can just imagine my dad turning on HBO, and thinking
    “I wonder what Joffrey’s got in store for those whores this week” or “Man, I can’t wait to see some more twincest or sexposition!” or even worse “Who will be doing Sookie this week?” LOL -NOT!

  281. Danielle
    Posted June 15, 2012 at 8:31 am | Permalink

    I’m sure someone else has probably mentioned this but what about Jack Gleeson? He was fantastic as Joffery and (sad to say) he had alot more to do than Kit or Alfie. Maybe he didn’t want to be nominated since he’s not planning on making a career of this.

  282. Mormegil
    Posted June 15, 2012 at 8:33 am | Permalink

    DH87: My apologies. Of course you’re right. Northern Ireland.

    Ronan is from the Republic of Ireland (though actually born in the U.S).

  283. Klavonivs
    Posted June 15, 2012 at 8:38 am | Permalink

    Off topic, but I just saw this article on about how HBO has to apologize for using GW Bush’s mask as a headless prop from season 1!!! I really can’t believe people are making them apologize for this…here’s the link (sorry WiC, I tried to send this via the Contact tab, but it wasn’t working)
    Game of Thrones Creators Apologize for Nailing George W. Bush’s Head on a Stake

    Read more: http://www.eonline.com/news/about-face_game_of_thrones_creators/323425#ixzz1xrfAEPBk

  284. Ross
    Posted June 15, 2012 at 8:40 am | Permalink

    Zack: I am envious that you get to see that for the first time. You have something special in store. Carcetti is a much better performance from him than Littlefinger has been, IMO

    Nearing the end of Season 2 and absolutely loving it. Very excited to have three seasons left to go! Sorry to go off topic everyone – carry on!

  285. Theon Rules!
    Posted June 15, 2012 at 8:45 am | Permalink

    Ross: Nearing the end of Season 2 and absolutely loving it. Very excited to have three seasons left to go! Sorry to go off topic everyone – carry on!

    Since we’re going to go off topic regarding HBO shows, I just finished “Deadwood” and I feel Ian McShane should be cast for GoT in the future.

    Carry on!

  286. Joshua Taylor
    Posted June 15, 2012 at 8:55 am | Permalink

    Zack,

    To be fair, the Wire fandom (and I am amongst it’s ranks) has long been divided on the performance of Aidan Gillen’s Carcetti as well. I think he is just one of those actors that some buy and some don’t. I like his Carcetti, but I found a theatrical element to his performance in the show as well. Think of the scene in season 4 when he is playing all the bravado over the top when his making his phone calls to raise more money or his campaign launching speech in the season 3 finale. Yet…and yet there is amazing rant in the car with Norman in season 4 when he lets loose all his frustration or the scene when he soberly listens to the former mayor of Bah’more talk about his ‘bowls of shit’. That was great naturalistic acting.

    I wonder when we get to LF and Sansa together will we see the more human side of Littlefinger (we’ve seen bits of this with Cat and even moments of frustration with Ned)? The scene with Cersei to me is perfect because he shows his real character there, the slighted man of no means lashing back at his betters and almost dying because of it.

    Perhaps it’s trying to disguise his Irish accent that gives him that forced quality? I think the idea of him’ being an actor’ fits both the roles Carcetti and Littlefinger.

  287. jkb
    Posted June 15, 2012 at 9:03 am | Permalink

    Bonnie Blue:
    I haven’t seen anyone commenting on the actor who plays Littlefinger, Aidan Gillen.He is really fantastic in that role, just how I pictured him in the books.Just wanted to give him some recognition, sorry if people already have, but I haven’t noticed anything recently!

    I’ma join you here. Love Gillen and love him as Littlefinger.

  288. Aegon the Conqueror
    Posted June 15, 2012 at 9:12 am | Permalink

    WildSeed,

    It’s been a while since I read the first book as well. In the series (can’t remember if it happened in the book) Rob called his banners and was already moving south when Ned was still a prisoner. The battle of the Whispering Wood takes place while Ned is still alive. Remember the speech from Rob “one victory does not make us conquerors, did we free my father?”
    Think it’s the same sequence as in the book. Ned’s beheading does not in fact start the war. The war is started when Ned sends Lord Berric Dondarion to kill Ser Gregor Clegane and so doing brands Tywin a traitor. What the beheading did was ensure it became all out Total War with no chance of negotiation.

  289. Aegon the Conqueror
    Posted June 15, 2012 at 9:21 am | Permalink

    Jess,

    Yes but I think it should count as more that you are rated popular by those who know and love the story intricately. For example while watching the series with my brother (who had not read any of the books) I commented on how I wished Arya would have named Tywn Lannister to H’ghar. My brother was shocked (but you love CHares Dance, why do you want him out of the show?) To which I responded I love CHarles Dance, but I absolutely hate Tywn and all the Lannisters (cept for Tyrion) and without him my beloved Starks will win the war.
    To play a noble character is easy, to play someone evil and make them incredibly real and likeable, that difficult. That’s what the fan awards can reflect. Villians never win Emmy’s.

  290. Zack
    Posted June 15, 2012 at 9:24 am | Permalink

    Joshua Taylor,

    IMO his performance in The Wire is close to perfection. Carcetti is a politician. As a group of people, are they ever -not- putting on a performance? If he doesn’t seem real it’s because he’s not. Maybe when he’s in bed with his wife, but aside from that, asking for ‘genuine’ from him doesn’t seem like it would fit. But that just makes Gillen’s moments of subtle brilliance stand out all the more. You mentioned most of the scenes that come to mind when I think of Carcetti. And he knocks them all out of the park.

    Once again I’d like to thank you for your encouragement to finish the series. I don’t know if it’s topped Deadwood for me, but it’s got to be second, or at worst third, depending upon how Breaking Bad concludes as a series.

  291. Aegon the Conqueror
    Posted June 15, 2012 at 9:26 am | Permalink

    DH87,

    He might not be the most handsome, but in the show he gets the most ahem action by far!

  292. Aegon the Conqueror
    Posted June 15, 2012 at 9:29 am | Permalink

    Danielle,

    You are one of nearly a hundred comments. The conclusion is this, actors are responsible themselves along with their agents for being nominated. Jack Gleeson does not like acting all that much, stays away from the spotlight and after Game of Thrones will focus on his schooling. So he does not really want or care about the recognition, although I fully agree he was bloody fantastic!

  293. MetalgoddessAMB
    Posted June 15, 2012 at 11:35 am | Permalink

    why are you guys only talking about the acting categories? no love for the categories which will probably be locks to win, like the sound editing and mixing for Blackwater? I also think GoT has the stunts locked up too.

    Season two also has a better chance in the categories of costumes, hairstyling, and makeup as all of these elements have improved this season. Also, I think it will be a contender in art direction.

    By my count, that is 7 emmy’s that it has a real shot at, and none of you are talking about it!

  294. Joshua Taylor
    Posted June 15, 2012 at 11:52 am | Permalink

    Zack,

    I love Gillen’s Carcetti and his Littlefinger. Your perspective on his performance in the Wire is precisely the reason why I love his Petyr Baelish.

  295. ...
    Posted June 15, 2012 at 12:11 pm | Permalink

    Alfie Allen really deserves to be nominated this year. He blew my mind. He was on par with Dinklage.

  296. andrea
    Posted June 15, 2012 at 12:34 pm | Permalink

    MetalgoddessAMB,

    I wrote something about cinematography (Kramer Morgenthau on “The Night Lands”) but everything I liked about the other categories wasn´t nominated :(

    Macha: perhaps the writers feared these two characters would be be perceived as being too similar,

    You´re probably right. Didn´t think about it before. I do love Aiden Gillen but I´m puzzled for his Littlefinger.

  297. BeavertonSteve
    Posted June 15, 2012 at 12:37 pm | Permalink

    purplejilly,

    Martin’s story transcends the normal stereotypes.

    My parents are 70 year old conservative republicans and they call me every Monday morning during the season to get their questions about GoT answered!

  298. Macha
    Posted June 15, 2012 at 12:58 pm | Permalink

    andrea:
    MetalgoddessAMB,

    I wrote something about cinematography (Kramer Morgenthau on “The Night Lands”) but everything I liked about the other categories wasn´t nominated :(

    Speaking of which, are we also going to ‘lose’ K. Morgenthau to Thor 2? That makes me a sad panda, the cinematography was a big step-up this season, and I loved his work on the first two episodes. Oh well, the show still benefits from an abundance of talent in that category.

  299. andrea
    Posted June 15, 2012 at 1:19 pm | Permalink

    Macha: That makes me a sad panda

    +1.
    Knew nothing about this cinematographer. Episode 2 was great, don´t remember ep. 1. Must re-watch the entire season and pay attention.

  300. Handmaiden of Dany
    Posted June 15, 2012 at 2:10 pm | Permalink

    I think Aidan Gillen has been awesome as Littlefinger! He freaked me out in his speech to Ros this season, whereas before that, it didn’t seem he really had that kind of violence in him. He played it beautifully.

  301. Jillian
    Posted June 15, 2012 at 2:34 pm | Permalink

    Bonnie Blue: getting captured by wildings and killing Halfhand, I don’t remember much of his story. :/

    Thanks Bonnie Blue!!! I heard Cersei described as the Lucille Bluth of westeros (not sure if you watched Arrested Development or not) and thought the comparison was pretty apt. Also: Patsy from Absolutely Fabulous rings kind of true, with poor Sansa filling in as Saffron. :^) She is just going to get better and better on the show, so I’m excited for Lena’s chances this year and in the years to come!

  302. Eleanor
    Posted June 15, 2012 at 3:59 pm | Permalink

    DH87,

    Saoirse Ronan isn’t from Northern Ireland, which is part of the UK.
    She is from the republic of Ireland.

  303. Aegon the Conqueror
    Posted June 15, 2012 at 8:07 pm | Permalink

    BeavertonSteve,

    Hahaha my dad absolutely hates fantasy and science fiction, got him to watch the first season with me (not telling him it is a fantasy series) and now he absolutely loves it!

  304. Knurk
    Posted June 15, 2012 at 11:07 pm | Permalink

    MetalgoddessAMB: no love for the categories which will probably be locks to win, like the sound editing and mixing for Blackwater?

    I have said this before but the sound on that episode was absolutely phenomenal. I played it in max and the neighbors came asking what the hell was going on. I never heard a bass that great on a dolby tv episode, truly great work!

  305. MetalgoddessAMB
    Posted June 16, 2012 at 1:29 am | Permalink

    Knurk,

    I agree, it was phenomenal sound. well everything about that episode was just about perfect.

    I think those sound emmy’s are a lock :)

  306. mags giantsbabe
    Posted June 17, 2012 at 7:09 am | Permalink

    Bonnie Blue

    I’m in the 2nd part of aSoS and all I can say for Jon’s arc for season 4 is, Janos Slynt you bastard!! That’s going to be epic. That’s when Jon reaches his full potential.

    Oh, and i can’t wait for all the Jon/Ygritte chemistry in S3. Rose Leslie may be too ‘pretty’ a wildling, but I thought their interaction in s2 sealed what’s to come.

    And i’m glad i’m not the only one who who didn’t miss Jon’s ‘i’m sexually unsure of myself’ virgin look after he says ‘I know how to do it’. It was subtle, but it was there.

  307. Jay
    Posted June 19, 2012 at 3:34 pm | Permalink

    LOL, Stannis Baratheon is snubbed in real life as well. The irony of that fact makes me LOL for real. Nikolaj-Coster Waldau was in about three episodes and he gets a nod over Dillane. That’s classic.
    Dillane did a superb job as Stannis, but I’m really disappointed that Charles Dance wasn’t nominated for his role as Tywin Lannister.
    In all fairness Dinklage should be submitted as a lead actor and not a supporting actor, although I’m not sure how the emmy’s qualify actors of ensemble casts. IMO, Tyrion, Daenerys, Robb Stark and Jon Snow are the stars of the actual tv show and should be billed as such.

  308. Aegon the Conqueror
    Posted June 19, 2012 at 3:47 pm | Permalink

    Jay,

    Can’t call anybody on Game of Thrones “stars of the show” for two reasons. 1) it diminshes the incrdible caliber of all the actors around them and 2) it doesn’t work if your show loses 2-3 stars every year (am I right Sean Bean, Mark Addy, Jason Mamoa and soon Richard Madden?)

  309. Booklvr44
    Posted June 24, 2012 at 1:07 pm | Permalink

    I can’t believe Charles Dance and Conleth Hill didn’t get nominations. They are the only actors in the entire series that are spot-on in every scene. Madden’s and Harrington’s nominations are ehhh… I loved every scene NCW was in this season, but I almost wish that HBO, for this season only, would have had him listed as a guest actor, so he could compete in that category. (which he would have dominated). I love Dinkleage, but honestly, I think any supporting actor in Boardwalk Empire could take him no problem.

    In short, I would love to see Alfie Allen get nominated. He really came into his own this year, and his scenes were some of the very best in the entire season.

  310. Isabelle Crisostomo
    Posted June 25, 2012 at 10:05 pm | Permalink

    this!

    Solar:
    Jack Gleeson definitely should have been submitted over Kit Harrington. All he did was walk around with his mouth open and look dumb. Gleeson has united an entire population of hatred against him because of his amazing portrayal of Joff.

  311. Lari
    Posted July 10, 2012 at 5:44 pm | Permalink

    Peter Dinklage deserves an Emmy just for the scene in which he makes Lancel his bitch.


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