HBO confirms, adds production details
By Hear Me Roar on in News, Production.

We have received an announcement from HBO detailing some of the season three production parameters. While they do not mention a specific date, early July is named as the beginning of the shoot.

Morocco has been officially confirmed as a location for this season. As we have mentioned before, this brings the total number of countries where Game of Thrones is shooting this year to four. The production is returning to Morocco for the first time since the pilot shoot.

The writer line-up has likewise been confirmed and has not changed since last year: David Benioff & D.B. Weiss, Bryan Cogman, George R.R. Martin, and Vanessa Taylor.

More excitingly, we also get to know the directors for the season: David Benioff & D.B. Weiss, Alex Graves, Michelle MacLaren, Dan Minahan, David Nutter, and Alik Sakharov. David & Dan are stepping into director shoes for the first time, Minahan, Nutter, and Sakharov are of the old guard. The two new ones in the bunch are Alex Graves and Michelle MacLaren (notably the first female director on the show).

In addition, HBO promised casting announcement soon. We are waiting eagerly.

Hear Me Roar: Discuss this valuable info dump – and especially the new names – below. I am curious to hear what you know and think of the directors.


226 Comments

  1. cane-cutter
    Posted June 27, 2012 at 12:35 pm | Permalink

    first?

    Yay!! Bring on the casting announcements

  2. sjwenings
    Posted June 27, 2012 at 12:35 pm | Permalink

    Lovely to see that Sakharov is back!

    Edit: Oh! This Michelle-person has done a bunch of Breaking bad eps, including “Fly” – one of my favs. Veeery nice.

  3. Maxwell James
    Posted June 27, 2012 at 12:36 pm | Permalink

    Michelle MacLaren has done superb work on Breaking Bad, where she is also an executive producer. It is known.

    Alex Graves, I’m less sure about. He’s clearly a Sorkin fave.

  4. negar
    Posted June 27, 2012 at 12:36 pm | Permalink

    first ?
    sorry , nope.you guys are fast!

  5. Josh Parker
    Posted June 27, 2012 at 12:38 pm | Permalink

    castannouncementscastannouncementscastannouncementscastannouncements…

    Sorry, it’s like crack. Get on it, HBO!

  6. Carne
    Posted June 27, 2012 at 12:38 pm | Permalink

    Michelle McLaren has directed several Breaking Bad episodes. Nice.

  7. James
    Posted June 27, 2012 at 12:38 pm | Permalink

    Hm. Gotta admit that D&D making their directing debut here makes me a little nervous. Everyone else who has directed so far has been a veteran. Not to mention, they are going to have to balance their showrunner hats with directing… seems like a tall order.

    Hope they blow me away but gotta say it seems strange to me.

  8. burth
    Posted June 27, 2012 at 12:39 pm | Permalink

    Michelle MacLaren has done some really great work on Breaking Bad!

  9. yebot
    Posted June 27, 2012 at 12:39 pm | Permalink

    Alex Graves directed the pilot of The Newsroom

  10. H. López de Victoria
    Posted June 27, 2012 at 12:40 pm | Permalink

    Glad to see Minahan is back. His three S1 episodes (particularly, “You Win or You Die”) were some of my faves. Also, I’m REALLY excited about Michelle MacLaren joining the directorial team: her “Breaking Bad” episodes are awesome (“One Minute” offers one of the, if not THE most intense scene of S3).

    So, good news all around!

  11. Ours is the Fury
    Posted June 27, 2012 at 12:42 pm | Permalink

    They’ve both directed lots of great TV. I’m excited about these additions! And nice to have Morocco officially confirmed now.

  12. H. López de Victoria
    Posted June 27, 2012 at 12:42 pm | Permalink

    yebot,

    IMDB states that it was Greg Mottola who directed the “Newsroom” pilot. Graves directed the 2nd episode.

  13. Alex Dubrovsky
    Posted June 27, 2012 at 12:43 pm | Permalink

    Michelle MacLaren directed some of the best Breaking Bad episodes. The latest was the one where Gus eliminates the Mexican cartel. That was a totally epic stuff. Great news for the show. I hope she brings some of the BB crew with her.

  14. Macha
    Posted June 27, 2012 at 12:43 pm | Permalink

    Some great news on the directors front. Alik Sakharov was a sure thing, and I couldn’t be more happy. Also, welcome back Dan Minahan! Alex Graves & Michelle MacLaren sound like a nice addition and I cannot wait to see D&D step into the director’s shoes. Anyone else get the feeling they’ll be directing the RW?

  15. oscar evel
    Posted June 27, 2012 at 12:48 pm | Permalink

    are they filming the 20 episodes for book 3 all at once? Is S3 still 10 episodes?

  16. Just Some Dude
    Posted June 27, 2012 at 12:53 pm | Permalink

    A female director! Maybe the fangirls will finally be recognized fairly. I can almost hear the “Shirtless Gendry” battlecry.

    But seriously, the show might lose a lot of respect if this season doesn’t respect the interests of the female viewers more. The women already know they are being underrepresented; after a second season of such folly, they’ll switch from thinking it’s oversight to being purposefully ignored, plain and simple. That’s not PR this show wants to have, given the messages of the original work.

    Also, tell Finn Jones to stand up straight and stop acting with his jaw. I think he and Tom Wlaschiha need a day together, hammering subtlety into Jone’s extremely-expressive facial features. It’d be epic.

    That said, I’m looking forward to it immensely. Some new direction in the series will keep it popping, I would hope.

  17. Mrs. H'ghar
    Posted June 27, 2012 at 12:55 pm | Permalink

    A woman is excited for any news on GoT, maybe D&D just want to be more hands on with their writing episodes by directing them too, let’s give them a chance before we get all nervous about it! They have done so well so far, A woman has faith. Bring on the casting news!

  18. Jaime Lannister
    Posted June 27, 2012 at 12:57 pm | Permalink

    I want my Reek, Dave & Dan.

  19. Mrs. H'ghar
    Posted June 27, 2012 at 12:58 pm | Permalink

    oscar evel:
    are they filming the 20 episodes for book 3 all at once? Is S3 still 10 episodes?

    D&D have previously said that 10 episodes per year is all they can manage production-wise in several interviews, so unless they announce something new, it’s going to be 10 episodes.

  20. Siniša Grimjaur Šiško
    Posted June 27, 2012 at 1:01 pm | Permalink

    Mr. Sakharov is back, yay! IMHO, he did the best season directing in the 2nd best episode, right behind Blackwater.
    Wow, 4th location – Morocco. Not exactly near previous locations. Budget will be stretched very thin, and it will probably be a logistical nightmare to move all this ppl from place to place. I had hoped they would find suitable location for Slavers’ Bay in Croatia, close to Dubrovnik (there are a handful nearby), but alas…

  21. darquemode
    Posted June 27, 2012 at 1:03 pm | Permalink

    Well I hope D&D write the episodes they direct and that their knowledge of exactly what they are invisioning translates better to the screen. It could make for some compelling episodes…. I hope.

    Love that MacLaren is on board!

    For whoever said it (sjwenings?) … The Fly is one of my favorite episodes of Breaking Bad too! The camera angles and the way the shots are framed is just awe-inspiring!!!

  22. caoimay
    Posted June 27, 2012 at 1:04 pm | Permalink

    what about neil marshall!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

  23. Juice
    Posted June 27, 2012 at 1:06 pm | Permalink

    Michelle MacLaren directing is great news ! I hope it’s for two eps.

  24. DrewNovak
    Posted June 27, 2012 at 1:12 pm | Permalink

    Knowing the episodes Michelle MacLaren directed on Breaking Bad, I would say she is an expert when it comes to directing nerve-racking scenes.
    Me thinks the lady would be perfect for a certain wedding.

  25. paylor
    Posted June 27, 2012 at 1:13 pm | Permalink

    Siniša Grimjaur Šiško,

    Do the directors of each episode move from location to location with a different crew, etc? Does each episode film in sequence? For example, would they film all of episode 1 before they moved on to episode 2? Would the director of an episode film the scenes in Belfast, go to Croatia and then film there, then go to Iceland and film there?

    If that is the case, it almost seems like it would be cheaper if each director just handled a particular location instead of a particular episode.

  26. sjwenings
    Posted June 27, 2012 at 1:15 pm | Permalink

    darquemode,

    Yup. Criminally underrated episode.

    –Regarding D&D directing, I have a feeling they might want to both write and direct the RW

    I don’t really know what to expect, but they have obviously gotten a lot of experience being on set, working with all these great directors. So at the very least, I think they will do a decent job, but I fear they might end up making THE scene less than what it could have been…

  27. sjwenings
    Posted June 27, 2012 at 1:16 pm | Permalink

    DrewNovak,

    I like how you’re thinking.

  28. AlexBaratheon
    Posted June 27, 2012 at 1:17 pm | Permalink

    Anyone else notice that Michelle also directed a few episodes of The Walking Dead?!?!

    EXCITING!!!!!!

    AB

  29. Claudiu Gherganu
    Posted June 27, 2012 at 1:33 pm | Permalink

    How much do you guys want to bet that the ep that D&D are directing is the one with the RW ?

  30. andrea
    Posted June 27, 2012 at 1:35 pm | Permalink

    so glad that Minahan is back. Graves and Mc Laren look promising (don´t know them).

  31. charles
    Posted June 27, 2012 at 1:35 pm | Permalink

    This is fantastic news overall.

    Minahan is back. He was great in S1. Sarkarov is back, “what is dead may never die” was the 2nd best episode of the season imo, and very well directed.

    The lady director, all i need to know is that she’s worked on breaking bad and I’m sold.

    And very very interesting to see that D&D are stepping into the director seat. Wonder if they’ll direct RW?

    Only thing i’m not so excited for is the return on Vanessa Taylor. She did some fantastic adaptation for season 2, but when she wrote her own material….yeah, wasn’t too great. Hopefully she sticks to adapting more than creating new material this season, and the same goes for D&D as well.

  32. Varamyr Fourskins
    Posted June 27, 2012 at 1:37 pm | Permalink

    This D&D director news has me intrigued. It will be interesting to see how they pull that off.

    I wonder if they’ll direct their episodes individually or in tandem, like the Coen Brothers?

  33. charles
    Posted June 27, 2012 at 1:38 pm | Permalink

    also, too bad that neil marshal isn’t comming back. Would have LOVED to see him again.

  34. Fire And Blood
    Posted June 27, 2012 at 1:39 pm | Permalink

    Very excited about MacLaren! Currently re-watching Breaking Bad before the new season kicks off, and “The Fly” is easily one of the top 3 episodes.

    Doubly excited about Sakharov returning! Hopefully they’ll re-team him with Cogman. Episode 3 was nails.

  35. Aegon the Conqueror
    Posted June 27, 2012 at 1:42 pm | Permalink

    James,

    The only logical reason I can see behind this (gosh I hope I’m right) is to save money. Using the two executive producers as actors would free up some money from the budget to use for something else like bigger dragon cgi!

  36. Claudiu Gherganu
    Posted June 27, 2012 at 1:42 pm | Permalink

    Carne,

    I keep seeing people mentioning this show like it’s the best thing ever yet from what I seen on some clips on youtube it just seems to me like an average tv show about drug trafficants or whatever . Is it worth watching ?

  37. tysnow
    Posted June 27, 2012 at 1:44 pm | Permalink

    sjwenings,

    I agree with you sjwenings, to me it’s obvious that the episode they are directing will be RW, afterall it is their favorite scene from the bothird book.
    Nice to see they have Michelle, definitely bring in a Breakng Bad alum is nothing but positive. Wonder if its for Dany’s storyline near the end of the season, because what Dany does at Astapor has to be written and directed delicately, or she could come off as somewhat genocidal. Glad Alex is on, loved Westwing and Journeyman (wished some other network had picked it up), I could see him involved with the political drama unfolding in KL, with so many egos that will now be inhabiting the Red Keep.
    All I see is positive from what is happening concerning the third season, keep it coming HBO, and bring on the casting clues.

  38. andrea
    Posted June 27, 2012 at 1:48 pm | Permalink

    Aegon the Conqueror: actors

    directors.

  39. SeVv
    Posted June 27, 2012 at 1:50 pm | Permalink

    I cannot wait for the Rains of Castanouncements.

  40. K
    Posted June 27, 2012 at 1:51 pm | Permalink

    caoimay:
    what about neil marshall!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    He is super busy this year trying to get his “Demeter” movie going – last I heard Viggo Mortensen may be attached to that project so Marshall is definitely moving into a league where his schedule will make GoT impossible – too bad for us, maybe season 4?!

  41. Joshua Taylor
    Posted June 27, 2012 at 1:51 pm | Permalink

    Claudiu Gherganu,

    That’s because all the youtube clips showcase the violent and crime drama aspects of the series when in fact is very character focused and not about the drug trade per se but about how average people plunge into a life of crime. It is a brilliant series, the psychological companion to The Wire in my opinion.

  42. Superdeluxe
    Posted June 27, 2012 at 1:56 pm | Permalink

    Hope they release one cast member per day!

  43. The Kingslayer
    Posted June 27, 2012 at 2:00 pm | Permalink

    No Neil Marshall = FAIL !!!

  44. Macha
    Posted June 27, 2012 at 2:02 pm | Permalink

    andrea: Aegon the Conqueror: actors

    directors.

      

    Now I can’t stop laughing. David Benioff for Mance Rayder, I’m calling it!

  45. The Kingslayer
    Posted June 27, 2012 at 2:03 pm | Permalink

    K,

    I don’t buy that his schedule is too busy to do one episode, when Neil done the podcast for Empire he was really enthusiastic about wanting to return to the show and he said nobody had contacted him from HBO about returning.

    I can’t believe they haven’t even enquired about asking the director of the best episode in the entire series to return, huge screw up by D & D and HBO.

  46. andrea
    Posted June 27, 2012 at 2:04 pm | Permalink

    Macha,

    I know, I’m still laughing at all the characters in which I imagined them.
    Hilarious mistake Aegon, thanks!

  47. oierem
    Posted June 27, 2012 at 2:09 pm | Permalink

    If D&D direct the RW, then it’s certainly episode 8 :)

  48. Macha
    Posted June 27, 2012 at 2:10 pm | Permalink

    The Kingslayer,

    I’m not questioning Neil Marshall’s talent as a director, but what he proved he’s extremely good at are action packed episodes, and there are none of those in sight for S3, plus they already have greatly talented directors to chose from. I’m willing to bet he’ll be back for the battle at the Wall, however.

  49. Arthur
    Posted June 27, 2012 at 2:14 pm | Permalink

    Wow…

    D&D are really doing it all. Now we get to see their complete vision, from writing to directing. That is good news. Can’t see what baby dragons are gong to be hatched from the episodes D&D direct.

  50. The Kingslayer
    Posted June 27, 2012 at 2:14 pm | Permalink

    Macha,

    I wanted Neil to do the RW or the PW

  51. Andrew
    Posted June 27, 2012 at 2:16 pm | Permalink

    Very excited to see D&Ds directorial debut; it should be very interesting. Also stoked for the casting announcements :D

    With the Breaking Bad director onboard, I might finally have to take some time and watch the show.

  52. Mrs. H'ghar
    Posted June 27, 2012 at 2:23 pm | Permalink

    According to imdb, Neil Marshall is in pre-production on “The Last Voyage of Demeter,” a film about the sea voyage of Dracula’s coffin (as described on imdb). So, maybe the timing wasn’t right for Neil Marshall to work on GoT this season…but a woman hopes he comes back! His episode (Blackwater) was incredible! Maybe D&D are saving $$$ for cgi by directing an episode?

  53. darquemode
    Posted June 27, 2012 at 2:28 pm | Permalink

    Claudiu Gherganu,

    It is one of my top 5 shows of all time. I would say it should be required viewing for any fan of TV!

    It has some of the best acting, writing, and directing of any show on TV. Period.

  54. Arthur
    Posted June 27, 2012 at 2:30 pm | Permalink

    Macha,

    I’m not questioning Neil Marshall’s talent as a director, but what he proved he’s extremely good at are action packed episodes, and there are none of those in sight for S3, plus they already have greatly talented directors to chose from. I’m willing to bet he’ll be back for the battle at the Wall, however.

    I agree,

    I do not think any battles like Blackwater will be shot this season. Dany’s battle and battles at The Wall will probably be pushed to season 4.

    However, the RW will be an epic event that could very well be larger then Blackwater. They have to show the massivness of the forces gathered at the twins. The huge tent burning and falling on Robbs men. There will be plenty of little battles within the RW. The need to spend A LOT of money on CGI for Greywind, so the Direwolfs murder also gets that full emotional impact. The RW will be season 2′s Blackwater, no doubt. Probably be episode 9 as well… And I bet D&D are going to direct it to make sure they get it perfect, as they see it.

  55. The Kingslayer
    Posted June 27, 2012 at 2:32 pm | Permalink

    I don’t like the fact some of you are looking at Neil as a battle only director just because he directed Blackwater, watch The Decent, Dog Soldiers and Centurion and you’ll realize he’s a very talented man.

  56. Thiago Waldhelm
    Posted June 27, 2012 at 2:39 pm | Permalink

    Alex Graves produced and directed the pilot of Terra Nova (I like it, despite a lot of people hating it haha), cool. (the rest of his work I’m not acquainted with)

    Michelle MacLaren produced and directed a few Breaking Bad and X-Files (I’ve never watched any of these shows, but I have a lot of respect for them). And directed episodes in Hell on Wheels, The Walking Dead, Camelot, Lie To Me, The Event and Without a Trace!
    plus, she has a pretty cool surname! hahaha

    I’m looking forward for their directing in GoT (specially MacLaren’s one)!
    welcome aboard!

  57. Macha
    Posted June 27, 2012 at 2:42 pm | Permalink

    The Kingslayer: I don’t like the fact some of you are looking at Neil as a battle only director just because he directed Blackwater

    I’m not, especially as I’ve seen his other movies. IMHO though, this is what he excels at. But seeing as he was not a television director in the first place and that he does have other projects on the side which he also writes, not only directs, it always seemed to me he’d come back only for ‘special occasions’, and not as a series regular – as much as I’d love to have him back for more episodes.

  58. ASOIAF Fan
    Posted June 27, 2012 at 2:49 pm | Permalink

    Claudiu Gherganu,

    It’s like weeds but not funny so no… Acting is good but there’s no story ( and i warched 2 whole seasons to get a decent opinion).

  59. DavidBC
    Posted June 27, 2012 at 2:50 pm | Permalink

    sjwenings: Lovely to see that Sakharov is back!Edit: Oh! This Michelle-person has done a bunch of Breaking bad eps, including “Fly” – one of my favs. Veeery nice.

    “Fly” was directed by movie-maker Rian Johnson… Not this lady.

  60. The Kingslayer
    Posted June 27, 2012 at 2:54 pm | Permalink

    Macha,

    I was just hoping for one episode in season 3 and 4 since he done an oustanding job with Blackwater, I realize as a movie director his schedule will be tight but listening to him in the Empire podcast he really sounded enthusiastic about returing to the show.

  61. Joshua Taylor
    Posted June 27, 2012 at 3:05 pm | Permalink

    ASOIAF Fan:
    Claudiu Gherganu,

    It’s like weeds but not funny so no… Acting is good but there’s no story ( and i warched 2 whole seasons to get a decent opinion).

    Explain how Breaking Bad has no story….

  62. Joshua Taylor
    Posted June 27, 2012 at 3:12 pm | Permalink

    Michelle McClaren is an awesome addition! a Canadian and an X Files veteran (that’s two directors from X Files the other being David Nutter) and a Breaking Bad regular as well. Fantastic news.

  63. fake-o name-o
    Posted June 27, 2012 at 3:19 pm | Permalink

    Wow, how have I never heard of Michelle McLaren. She directed what was by far the best episode of The Walking Dead

  64. darquemode
    Posted June 27, 2012 at 3:20 pm | Permalink

    Joshua Taylor,

    I was thinking the same thing.
    It has a VERY detailed story of a man’s downward spiral and that affects everyone around him.

    I think they have covered about 6 or 7 months of Walter White’s life in the 4 seasons so far. That is a detailed story indeed.

  65. sjwenings
    Posted June 27, 2012 at 3:25 pm | Permalink

    DavidBC: “Fly” was directed by movie-maker Rian Johnson… Not this lady.

    I didn’t say she directed it… I get why you misunderstood me, though.

  66. fake-o name-o
    Posted June 27, 2012 at 3:26 pm | Permalink

    charles: Only thing i’m not so excited for is the return on Vanessa Taylor. She did some fantastic adaptation for season 2, but when she wrote her own material….yeah, wasn’t too great. Hopefully she sticks to adapting more than creating new material this season, and the same goes for D&D as well.

    Yeah, Vanessa Taylor’s episode had a lot of anachronisms that I found kind of jarring — Jaime’s dyslexia and the dialogue between Robb and Talisa (which I felt kind of heavy-handedly referenced the Iraq war).

  67. Handmaiden of Dany
    Posted June 27, 2012 at 3:35 pm | Permalink

    fake-o name-o,

    You don’t think that D&D give each author an idea of what they expect them to write for each episode? Then there are revisions and editing so that the story has continuity. If you don’t like an episode then don’t blame it solely on the one author.

  68. TheFlayedLady
    Posted June 27, 2012 at 3:38 pm | Permalink

    Casting casting casting *pants like a dog* I’m so excited, WiC is my bible

  69. Aegon the Conqueror
    Posted June 27, 2012 at 3:46 pm | Permalink

    andrea,

    oops totally missed that one, thanks for the save.

  70. Claudiu Gherganu
    Posted June 27, 2012 at 3:47 pm | Permalink

    fake-o name-o: Yeah, Vanessa Taylor’s episode had a lot of anachronisms that I found kind of jarring — Jaime’s dyslexia and the dialogue between Robb and Talisa (which I felt kind of heavy-handedly referenced the Iraq war).

    What was wrong about Jaime being dyslexic ? This is just bullshit complaining for the sake of complaining which i seen enough . Others include people bitching at the fact that they killed Dany’s horse like if they killed one of her dragons or something and a lot of other stuff that i prefer not to waste my time talking about because it’s so stupid i may go blind .

  71. The Kingslayer
    Posted June 27, 2012 at 3:55 pm | Permalink

    fake-o name-o,

    I doubt that the best episode is the pilot and that was directed by Frank Darabont.

  72. fake-o name-o
    Posted June 27, 2012 at 3:58 pm | Permalink

    Claudiu Gherganu: What was wrong about Jaime being dylexic ? This is just bullshit complaining for the sake of complaining which i seen enough . Others include people bitching at the fact that they killed Dany’s horse like if they killed one of her dragons or something and a lot of other stuff that i prefer not to waste my time on .

    I didn’t like it. I thought it was too cute and anachronistic. People had a hard time diagnosing dyslexia like 50 years ago, let alone in medieval times. I thought the writer was trying to be clever by adding in a cool little detail, but I found it jarring. It’s one of those little moments where you’re taken out of the world and reminded that you’re just watching a tv show.

  73. Aegon the Conqueror
    Posted June 27, 2012 at 4:03 pm | Permalink

    andrea,

    Glad I could provide some much needed entertainment in this dry season.

  74. fake-o name-o
    Posted June 27, 2012 at 4:04 pm | Permalink

    Handmaiden of Dany:
    fake-o name-o,

    You don’t think that D&D give each author an idea of what they expect them to write for each episode? Then there are revisions and editing so that the story has continuity. If you don’t like an episode then don’t blame it solely on the one author.

    Ok, I concede that I really have no idea who is actually responsible for each scene or piece of dialoge. I should say that I had the most problems with the writing in the episodes credited to Vanessa Taylor.

  75. Knurk
    Posted June 27, 2012 at 4:11 pm | Permalink

    fake-o name-o,

    I thought it was some cool foreshadowing considering Jaime is going to be lefty in the future.

  76. ASoIaF Fan
    Posted June 27, 2012 at 4:15 pm | Permalink

    Joshua Taylor,

    The only story there is in the 2 first seasons is in the first episode, it’s the pitch of the show.
    After that it’s only bad things happening to the 2 main characters (with a bit of char development for Jesse, not so much for Walter) and they manage to get out of it while losing enough to never hit the jackpot, only each time the situation they have to get out of is worse that the one before (exactly like weeds, as i said).

  77. Claudiu Gherganu
    Posted June 27, 2012 at 4:18 pm | Permalink

    fake-o name-o,

    But they never said he had dyslexia , they just said he had problems reading . Are you saying that has never happened at all since people have learned to read except in the last 50 years , seriously ?

  78. DH87
    Posted June 27, 2012 at 4:19 pm | Permalink

    Claudiu Gherganu: the RW

    If they do, that’s not a good omen, IMO. They already write and run the show; to direct it as well? What next? Putting on costumes and wigs and acting out all the roles? I thought they were taxed to the max just with the roles they had?

    Hubris has been the downfall of better men than D&D.

  79. LyingOnaBedofWeeds
    Posted June 27, 2012 at 4:19 pm | Permalink

    sjwenings:
    Lovely to see that Sakharov is back!

    Edit: Oh! This Michelle-person has done a bunch of Breaking bad eps, including “Fly” – one of my favs. Veeery nice.

    MacLaren has directed many great episodes of Breaking Bad, but she did not direct “Fly”.

  80. Claudiu Gherganu
    Posted June 27, 2012 at 4:25 pm | Permalink

    DH87: If they do, that’s not a good omen, IMO. They already write and run the show; to direct it as well? What next? Putting on costumes and wigs and acting out all the roles? I thought they were taxed to the max just with the roles they had?

    Hubris has been the downfall of better men than D&D.

    You have got to be kidding me ! So just because they want to direct the event which was they reason they even made the show in the first place they are seen as egoistical pricks ?

  81. Varamyr Fourskins
    Posted June 27, 2012 at 4:29 pm | Permalink

    fake-o name-o: I didn’t like it.I thought it was too cute and anachronistic.People had a hard time diagnosing dyslexia like 50 years ago, let alone in medieval times.I thought the writer was trying to be clever by adding in a cool little detail, but I found it jarring.It’s one of those little moments where you’re taken out of the world and reminded that you’re just watching a tv show.

    Granted, I don’t have a photographic memory, but I don’t recall Tywin ever diagnosing Jaime with dyslexia. He just said that he couldn’t read and got the words mixed up. People would’ve noticed something like that in medieval times. It didn’t take a modern diagnosis for a father to figure out that his son couldn’t read. We tend to assume that medieval people were stupid, but their brains were just as big as ours. The difference is they didn’t have as much information available to them.

    But in any case, even if dyslexia was difficult to diagnose 50 years ago, it’s not a new phenomenon. It’s been around for quite some time, but people didn’t used to think of it as a medical problem. They just thought people with dyslexia were stupid (and I mean no offense by that, but history is rarely ever PC). And that’s what Tywin was getting at in that scene… that he would not allow his son to be thought of as stupid. It’s not as if he recognized dyslexia as a medical issue.

    And, correct me if I’m wrong, but I don’t think dyslexia can be cured by simply reading more often, can it? Tywin implies that’s what helped Jaime (i.e. reading 6 hours a day, or whatever it was), so it could be that he didn’t have dyslexia at all, but rather just wasn’t very good at reading. Because, as far as I know, dyslexia is a real medical disorder that affects the brain, rather than a discipline problem. But I could be wrong about that.

  82. Julian Walker
    Posted June 27, 2012 at 4:35 pm | Permalink

    Who the FUCK is playing my Reed sibilings?!?!

    I GOTTA KNOW!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

  83. Claudiu Gherganu
    Posted June 27, 2012 at 4:39 pm | Permalink

    LyingOnaBedofWeeds,

    Maybe he meant wrote it not directed .

  84. fake-o name-o
    Posted June 27, 2012 at 4:39 pm | Permalink

    Claudiu Gherganu: But they never said he had dyslexia , they just said he had problems reading . Are you saying that has never happened at all since people have learned to read except in the last 50 years , seriously ?

    Tywin said that the maesters determined that Jaime was mixing up letters in his head (dyslexia). I just thought it was kind of implausible that they would have figured it out, given that dyslexia was only discovered in the late 1800s. It’s possible, but like I said, it seemed to cute.

    I realize this is really nitpicky, but a lot of these small details added up to me not enjoying the episode as much as I would have liked.

  85. Steven Swanson
    Posted June 27, 2012 at 4:41 pm | Permalink

    fake-o name-o: I didn’t like it. I thought it was too cute and anachronistic. People had a hard time diagnosing dyslexia like 50 years ago, let alone in medieval times. I thought the writer was trying to be clever by adding in a cool little detail, but I found it jarring. It’s one of those little moments where you’re taken out of the world and reminded that you’re just watching a tv show.

    They didn’t “diagnose dyslexia”, Tywin described Jaime’s tendency to switch letters around, which, as a non-dumbass, he could notice very easily. I have no idea how you can consider that anachronistic, and my guess is your real complaint is that it didn’t derive directly from the books.

  86. Maxwell James
    Posted June 27, 2012 at 4:46 pm | Permalink

    DH87: They already write and run the show; to direct it as well?

    Pretty much every showrunner under the sun has tried their hand at directing an episode or three. They usually do fine at it. It’s their show after all; no one knows the story they want to tell better than they do. Nothing to worry about.

  87. paylor
    Posted June 27, 2012 at 4:50 pm | Permalink

    Julian Walker:
    Who the FUCK is playing my Reed sibilings?!?!

    I GOTTA KNOW!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    David and Dan, of course.

  88. LyingOnaBedofWeeds
    Posted June 27, 2012 at 4:53 pm | Permalink

    Claudiu Gherganu:
    LyingOnaBedofWeeds,

    Maybe he meant wrote it not directed .

    MacLaren is not a writer. She has never written an episode of Breaking Bad.

  89. Deez
    Posted June 27, 2012 at 4:55 pm | Permalink

    Just Some Dude,

    What the hell are you talking about? This show has better, stronger and more plentiful female characters than the majority of television shows. One of the four EPs is female, as is one of the main writers.

    Also, the audience skews male. What are your complaints, exactly?

  90. LyingOnaBedofWeeds
    Posted June 27, 2012 at 5:01 pm | Permalink

    Maxwell James: Pretty much every showrunner under the sun has tried their hand at directing an episode or three. They usually do fine at it. It’s their show after all; no one knows the story they want to tell better than they do. Nothing to worry about.

    Precisely. Matthew Weiner on Mad Men, Vince Gilligan on Breaking Bad, David Chase on The Sopranos are just some showrunners who have directed episodes of their series. It is not egotistical in the slightest. Will people complain if GRRM tries his hand in the directing chair? “He created the entire story and now he has to direct as well?!!”

  91. paylor
    Posted June 27, 2012 at 5:03 pm | Permalink

    fake-o name-o,

    Yes, very nitpicky and like others, it just makes me think you don’t like it because it isn’t in the books.

    What I find amazing in the series is that development seems to have been stuck for 8,000 years or so. Technology and history seems to be stagnant in the land of Westeros. Collective knowledge does not build on itself to develop breakthroughs in medicine, science or societal development. I think that’s a huge missing piece of the puzzle in the story, and I suspect there is a reason for it. Perhaps the power of magic, which ebbs and flows, has stunted the growth of the people in Westeros and Essos.

  92. Langkard
    Posted June 27, 2012 at 5:04 pm | Permalink

    andrea:
    so glad that Minahan is back. Graves and Mc Laren look promising (don´t know them).

    Good news on both new directors: they have some serious directing credits. McLaren has directed multiple episodes of one of the other best programs on TV – Breaking Bad. And Graves directed multiple episodes of an older but still one of the best programs at the time – West Wing. So they bring some great experience with great actors, which is needed on a show like GOT which is stocked full of great actors.

  93. tysnow
    Posted June 27, 2012 at 5:11 pm | Permalink

    Claudiu Gherganu,

    So what if D&D decide to wear a third hat; Peter Jackson, produced, co-wrote and directed LOTR, nuff said.

  94. Macha
    Posted June 27, 2012 at 5:14 pm | Permalink

    paylor: Julian Walker:
    Who the FUCK is playing my Reed sibilings?!?!

    I GOTTA KNOW!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    David and Dan, of course.

    Dude, you owe me a new keyboard, there’s wine everywhere.

  95. Arthur
    Posted June 27, 2012 at 5:15 pm | Permalink

    Julian Walker,

    Lol… Ditto! I just hope their chemistry with Bran is awesome. And D&D BETTER have them say their pledge to Bran on-screen;

    “To Winterfell we pledge the faith of Greywater,” they said together. “Hearth and heart and harvest we yield up to you, my lord. Our swords and spears and arrows are yours to command. Grant mercy to our weak, help to our helpless, and justice to all, and we shall never fail you.” 
    “I swear it by earth and water,” said the boy in green. 
    “I swear it by bronze and iron,” his sister said. 
    “We swear it by ice and fire,” they finished together. 

    I will keep coping and pasting that pledge because it gives me goosebumps and I can’t wait to see it on TV.

    And Daario better be a stud. If Dany is going to get nakkid for anyone he better be amazing!

    She is blood of the dragon, only undefeated Khals and…. Someone just as badass can share her bed. Daario better be worth her time.

  96. RichMan
    Posted June 27, 2012 at 5:17 pm | Permalink

    I am really sort of surprised they have a director per episode and not a director per arch.

    It would seem to me to lump things together by location/arch. Get all the Wall scenes together and get the actors and a single director together and do that. Then put all the Kings Landing scenes together and get a single director for that. And so on.

  97. Aegon the Conqueror
    Posted June 27, 2012 at 5:23 pm | Permalink

    paylor,

    oh that’s cruel!

  98. Mimsy
    Posted June 27, 2012 at 5:28 pm | Permalink

    Arthur: “To Winterfell we pledge the faith of Greywater,” they said together. “Hearth and heart and harvest we yield up to you, my lord. Our swords and spears and arrows are yours to command.

    [snip]
    “I swear it by earth and water,” said the boy in green. 
    “I swear it by bronze and iron,” his sister said. 
    “We swear it by ice and fire,” they finished together. 

    If they do include the oath. I kinda hope they condense it a bit, maybe like my snipped version. Otherwise, it might sound like the pledge of allegiance?? I do love this line.. “We swear it by ice and fire,” they finished together.

    Excited to see more awesome young actors! … and Mance of course! Mance is my Jaqen 2.0 in the awesome, mysterious character category.

  99. Aegon the Conqueror
    Posted June 27, 2012 at 5:35 pm | Permalink

    RichMan,

    This actually makes a lot of sense. Oh can’t wait to see my Reed siblings. They kind off reminded me of the four hobbits in the Fellowship of the Ring, brave and loyal and lovable, but quite useless.

  100. Arthur
    Posted June 27, 2012 at 5:45 pm | Permalink

    Aegon the Conqueror,

    If you think being the main reason why Bran survived and bringing him to where he needs to go is useless, then so be it.

    I strongly disagree. Maybe you aren’t a fan of the Reeds and maybe you find them boring and that’s fine. We all like different things. But the Reeds are very far from useless. They are very important to Bran’s storyline. Apparently even D&D agree with this or they wouldn’t have been casted.

  101. Steven Swanson
    Posted June 27, 2012 at 5:55 pm | Permalink

    LyingOnaBedofWeeds: Precisely. Matthew Weiner on Mad Men, Vince Gilligan on Breaking Bad, David Chase on The Sopranos are just some showrunners who have directed episodes of their series. It is not egotistical in the slightest. Will people complain if GRRM tries his hand in the directing chair? “He created the entire story and now he has to direct as well?!!”

    Hey now, don’t give him any funny ideas, we want that man chained to his computer as much as possible….

  102. darquemode
    Posted June 27, 2012 at 5:58 pm | Permalink

    Mimsy,

    I agree.

    The entire scene might be a bit much… like all the witches gathered together in The Craft (or any other Wiccan movie or series) all pledging their oaths to the compass points and Manon. It seems trite.

  103. Aegon the Conqueror
    Posted June 27, 2012 at 5:58 pm | Permalink

    Arthur,

    Haha whoah get off the warhorse, I’m a big Reed fan! I was one of the first to put up a scne because they were ommited from season 2. I love the Crannogman and I eagerly await GRRM to write Howland Reed back into the story.
    If you have ever seen or read the Lord of the Rings you would realise what I meant. For misunderstanding me I apologise, perhaps I should have clarified.
    Ever considered removing the hobbits from Lord of the Rings? Off course not! If I were in Bran’s position who would I rather have with me, Jojen or Meera? Or someone like Ser Jorah and Rakharro? The choice is obvious! QUite useless in the sense that if Bran was to be discovered by Reek, wildlings or bandits he would be quite dead.
    Let me just say again I love the Reeds like I love my hobbits!

  104. Steven Swanson
    Posted June 27, 2012 at 6:00 pm | Permalink

    Aegon the Conqueror: RichMan, This actually makes a lot of sense. Oh can’t wait to see my Reed siblings. They kind off reminded me of the four hobbits in the Fellowship of the Ring, brave and loyal and lovable, but quite useless.

    Merry and Pippin brought the ents into the war, Merry helped defeat the head ringwraith, and Pippin helped save Faramir, so not exactly useless. And neither are the Reeds, unless you want Osha to take over their role in helping Bran find his way.

  105. Alan
    Posted June 27, 2012 at 6:01 pm | Permalink

    James:
    Hm.Gotta admit that D&D making their directing debut here makes me a little nervous.Everyone else who has directed so far has been a veteran.Not to mention, they are going to have to balance their showrunner hats with directing… seems like a tall order.

    Hope they blow me away but gotta say it seems strange to me.

    It does for me as well. However, directors can have different levels of control. D&D are already making a lot of the creative decisions in general at a high level, so as long as they have a very strong DP and ADs to help with shot selection, the other key area of directing they have no experience with is handling actors.

    Given that this is an episode of a show in its third season, this is probably the easiest way for an actor to come onto a big project.

  106. Joshua Taylor
    Posted June 27, 2012 at 6:04 pm | Permalink

    ASoIaF Fan,

    I respectfully disagree. It seems you were looking for a Weeds like series and Breaking Bad is far, far different. If you’re saying Breaking Bad has had no character development for Walter then I don’t know what to tell you.

    Personally I loved the first two seasons of Weeds, it was a great dramedy and then once it became the “Mary Louise Parker is hot” show it turned to garbage thereafter. Breaking Bad is accomplishing everything that Weeds could not. A moving character study of what happens when ordinary people do terrible things for the sake of their family and their own survival. Sounds a lot like a certain book series turned television series doesn’t it?

    We will just have to agree to disagree.

  107. Joshua Taylor
    Posted June 27, 2012 at 6:06 pm | Permalink

    DH87,

    Wow you really hate D & D don’t you?

  108. Mimsy
    Posted June 27, 2012 at 6:09 pm | Permalink

    Aegon the Conqueror: If I were in Bran’s position who would I rather have with me, Jojen or Meera? Or someone like Ser Jorah and Rakharro? The choice is obvious! QUite useless in the sense that if Bran was to be discovered by Reek, wildlings or bandits he would be quite dead.

    Interesting take.. but it depends on what kind of “warrior” protection you’d prefer. The Reeds would be more ninja like and avoid confrontation (and perhaps survive longer), while Jorah and Rakharro would be swords blazing and confront steel with steel. I would think that the Jorah/Rakharro method would put Bran in into the “dead” category faster than the Reed method.

    I guess it all depends on how you play your Dungeons and Dragons game. lol

  109. Alan
    Posted June 27, 2012 at 6:14 pm | Permalink

    Just Some Dude:
    A female director! Maybe the fangirls will finally be recognized fairly. I can almost hear the “Shirtless Gendry” battlecry.

    But seriously, the show might lose a lot of respect if this season doesn’t respect the interests of the female viewers more. The women already know they are being underrepresented; after a second season of such folly, they’ll switch from thinking it’s oversight to being purposefully ignored, plain and simple. That’s not PR this show wants to have, given the messages of the original work.

    I have to ask if the female viewership’s first priority is actually seeing penis. I’m not saying don’t give them what they want, but judging the “respect of female viewers” in terms of numbers of pecs and dongs seems rather, well, insulting and incorrect.

    I have no problem letting the women have it; I just can’t imagine that most female viewers would prefer that to the strong female characters with significant screen time the show has, for example.

    As for Michelle McLaren — ultra talented and a great add. Women are wildly under-represented in Hollywood, and especially at the director and camera positions.

    I think she’ll likely just crush her episode if her prior work is any indication.

  110. Joshua Taylor
    Posted June 27, 2012 at 6:17 pm | Permalink

    DH87,

    I mean David Chase, Joss Whedon, Chris Carter….why not D & D?

  111. Arthur
    Posted June 27, 2012 at 6:20 pm | Permalink

    Aegon the Conqueror,

    Hah! Didn’t mean to sound all angry just I thought you were actually calling the Reeds useless. I think Meera will become a fan favorite of a lot of the TV viewers. Look how well ‘Hunger Games’ did. When I watched Hunger Games I couldn’t help but to imagine how awesome it’s going to be with scenes of Bran with the Reeds, traveling through the forest while hunting and avoiding dangers. All the while teaching Bran how to consciously Warg. Jojen brings the mysticism and Meera brings that Hunger Games type girl warrior.

    Bran’s storyline is going to become very interesting. I just can’t wait to see who got casted for Meera and Jojen…

    Daario has my interest too. That is going to be a tough role to fill. Someone who can seduce Dany and make it believable.

  112. Mimsy
    Posted June 27, 2012 at 6:22 pm | Permalink

    darquemode: Mimsy,

    I agree.

    The entire scene might be a bit much… like all the witches gathered together in The Craft (or any other Wiccan movie or series) all pledging their oaths to the compass points and Manon. It seems trite.

    I too would use caution with the pledge. The Craft.. :) ..how I enjoyed that movie.

  113. Alan
    Posted June 27, 2012 at 6:24 pm | Permalink

    paylor:
    Siniša Grimjaur Šiško,

    Do the directors of each episode move from location to location with a different crew, etc? Does each episode film in sequence? For example, would they film all of episode 1 before they moved on to episode 2?Would the director of an episodefilm the scenes in Belfast, go to Croatia and then film there, then go to Iceland and film there?

    If that is the case, it almost seems like it would be cheaper if each director just handled a particular location instead of a particular episode.

    You don’t shoot in sequence; generally by location/cast availibility as its cheaper. Since GoT shoots then screens much later there’s really no reason to sequence aside from time of year, if that were relevant.

    Directors don’t do a single location in order to enhance the cohesion in a single episode, I’d imagine. It’s not that expensive to fly a limited portion of the crew to different locations.

  114. JC
    Posted June 27, 2012 at 6:27 pm | Permalink

    Have to echo all the other thoughts here…Michelle MacLaren is an AWESOME addition. Her episodes of Breaking Bad are my favourite ones. And that’s my favourite show currently on TV.

    Not enthusiastic about Nutter directing the last two eps of the season but I’ve resigned myself to it. I’d place Minahan after Brian Kirk and Alan Taylor’s work on the first season but he still brought a great energy to the show and I’m happy to see him return (and would actually prefer he direct the final two episodes over Nutter). Also, I was pleasantly surprised with his work on the first ep of True Blood this season (regardless of writing quality). Lots of interesting compositions and well-shot all around.

    Very happy to see Sakharov directing more this season. Cautiously optimistic about Benioff and Weiss – when writers turn directors, sometimes the quality is not up to par but they’ve had two seasons of close observation of a few very solid directors so I’m going to trust that they’re going to do a good job.

    Finally, I’ve seen very little of Alex Graves’ work so I’ll have to wait to make a judgment. I did like the Fringe pilot, he’s worked on some reputable shows (namely the Sorkin ones) and I’m looking forward to his pilot for 666 Park Avenue so I’m optimistic.

    Overall, pretty good mix. I hope Michelle MacLaren gets to direct at least two episodes.

  115. Tyrion Pimpslap
    Posted June 27, 2012 at 6:29 pm | Permalink

    OT: Is this website loading slowly for anyone else? The past several days it has loaded at a snail’s pace for me. I’m using IE.

  116. Alex Dubrovsky
    Posted June 27, 2012 at 6:32 pm | Permalink

    Joshua Taylor:
    DH87,

    I mean David Chase, Joss Whedon, Chris Carter….why not D & D?

    And if we are talking about Breaking Bad, Vince Gilligan directed several episodes (pilot and the final two of S4, I think). On the S4 commentary he joked about how he had no idea what he was doing when he directed the final two episodes. They turned out fine.

    Breaking Bad is the best show that’s currently on TV and probably my all-time favorite. It is perfect in every aspect. It’s a rare combination of great writing, great directing, great visuals and a perfect casting and acting. If there are people here who did not watch it or gave up too early – watch it.

  117. Arthur
    Posted June 27, 2012 at 6:34 pm | Permalink

    Tyrion Pimpslap,

    Yes me too. When I’m at work on my iPhone it takes forever to load… Rather annoying but maybe that means heavy traffic which in turn means more GoT interest which is a good thing =]

  118. MW
    Posted June 27, 2012 at 6:35 pm | Permalink

    Michelle MacLaren can just go ahead and direct all the remain eps. I’d be fine with that.

  119. Aegon the Conqueror
    Posted June 27, 2012 at 6:39 pm | Permalink

    Mimsy,

    I don’t think Rakhoro and Jorah would go in swords blazing, both are hunters both are incredibly clever warriors with an accurate grasp of situations (although Rakhoro might be quite useless in snow, so let’s replace him with someone like Benjen Stark or Halfhand).
    What I mean is that if all sneaking and hiding and stealth has failed, I’d rather have two seasoned warriors with me than two teens. THat being said I quite enjoyed Jojen and Meera and I agree with Arthur that they could become fan favourites-depending of course on the big question…who will play the Reed siblings?

  120. Aegon the Conqueror
    Posted June 27, 2012 at 6:41 pm | Permalink

    Steven Swanson,

    Check above comments for your answer.

  121. Mormegil
    Posted June 27, 2012 at 6:47 pm | Permalink

    LyingOnaBedofWeeds: Will people complain if GRRM tries his hand in the directing chair?

    Of course people will complain, though probably more to do with the fact that he’s spending weeks doing something that is not writing Winds of Winter.

  122. MW
    Posted June 27, 2012 at 6:48 pm | Permalink

    fake-o name-o: fake-o

    Kind of like in the epilogue of SoS where Merrit Frey describes his affliction which is obviously a concussion as the result of severe head trauma. Or maybe you remember the fact that Robert Arryn has epilepsy, even though it is never mentioned as such. Tywin suggesting that Jaime has a real-world affliction is very much in the spirit of the books.

  123. Alan
    Posted June 27, 2012 at 6:56 pm | Permalink

    MW: Kind of like in the epilogue of SoS where Merrit Frey describes his affliction which is obviously a concussion as the result of severe head trauma. Or maybe you remember the fact that Robert Arryn has epilepsy, even though it is never mentioned as such. Tywin suggesting that Jaime has a real-world affliction is very much in the spirit of the books.

    …or if we’re going for anachronisms, why not call out the biggest one? Tyrion, who’s personality and viewpoints skew to the ridiculously modern.

    People seem to have more information than above (like what episodes what directors are doing) but there’s no link to that info. What’s out there?

  124. Charles whetstone
    Posted June 27, 2012 at 7:00 pm | Permalink

    Aegon the Conqueror,

    Aegon the conqueror,
    It’s book purist fanboys nerds like you who make me ashamed that i and alot of my freinds watch this show. We get it, the show is not exactly how you imagined it while reading in your mothers’s basement, but enough dude seriously. As a tv viewer I could careless who is the reeds. You’ve been reading these books for last 15 + years, who cares. The show runners didn’t make this show for you only. We non-book readers are the majority. I actually refuse to read the books after reading some of your (and those like you) comments.

  125. Mimsy
    Posted June 27, 2012 at 7:02 pm | Permalink

    Aegon the Conqueror,

    I have zero idea who could possibly be cast into those roles or any of the other roles, but I expect good things from Nina. I’m amazed at the bios and pics of actors that are pulled from people on this site. Maybe I’m just not as committed to the fansanity. =)

  126. Coltaine777
    Posted June 27, 2012 at 7:05 pm | Permalink

    I’m very happy to hear that the current best show on tv and one of the greatest show’s in the history of tv , BREAKING BAD ,has sent one of there best, Ms.Mclaren to direct an ep of GOT…very excited by this news !!!! also can`t wait to see D and D directorial debut…I`m thinking it will not be the RW ep !!…they will want to entrust that to a veteran …I can`t see a rookie director doing that ep, even though these rookies are the producers…no way they do RW …

  127. Lyn Corbray
    Posted June 27, 2012 at 7:06 pm | Permalink

    Breaking Bad is the best thing on TV right now, period. And, yes, that includes GoT. I love them both but Breaking Bad is just better executed overall. Both have amazing stories, amazing production values, and amazing characters.

  128. Aegon the Conqueror
    Posted June 27, 2012 at 7:17 pm | Permalink

    Charles whetstone:
    Aegon the Conqueror,

    Aegon the conqueror,
    It’s book purist fanboys nerds like you who make me ashamed that i and alot of my freinds watch this show. We get it, the show is not exactly how you imagined it while reading in your mothers’s basement, but enough dude seriously. As a tv viewer I could careless who is the reeds. You’ve been reading these books for last 15 + years, who cares. The show runners didn’t make this show for you only. We non-book readers are the majority. I actually refuse to read the books after reading some of your (and those like you) comments.

    You could careless who is the Reeds? Learn to speak proper English.

    As for your comment, if you don’t care about pre season speculation what the hell are you doing here?
    Thirdly as for your nerd read in my mom’s basement statement let’s just get a few things straight!
    I discovered ASOIAF about a year before the show’s pilot. Secondly I’m 22 and I played professional sport (rugby)for a couple of years before I broke my shoulder. I’m 6foot2 and 240pounds and it’s not fat. If you don’t believe me I’m quite happy to give you my facebook page so you can see for yourself.
    I love this show and have publically thanked D@D many a time for the amazing job they have done. THey have done it in such a way that many of the characters in the show are the definitive ones for me, not those in my imagination.
    If it wasn’t for the many book fans like me this show wouldn’t exist. So fuck you and fuck your biased judgement! Just because someone likes to geek out doesn’t mean he is a socially criplled nerd. I used to kick assholes like you in the face at high school!

  129. Knurk
    Posted June 27, 2012 at 7:18 pm | Permalink

    Didn’t see much difference last season between the different directors, probably won’t see a lot this coming season. I’m assuming that means they do their job splendidly well.

  130. darquemode
    Posted June 27, 2012 at 7:20 pm | Permalink

    Arthur,

    When I watched Hunger Games I was thinking the opposite! “Please don’t let the Reeds be like this!” I did not care for the Hunger Games movie at all…but what nieces want to see, nieces get to see. XD

    I think that is why I dislike the Bran storyline more than any in the saga. It is the most High Fantasy of all the stories and the most traditional in fantasy terms. Boy has a quest and sets out against all odds to find the mystical icon (3-Eyed Crow in this case) and he has special powers to aid him on his quest… blah, blah, blah. It’s not bad, but it is by far the least interesting story to me in ASoIaF because of its lack of complexity. It is the least explored of all the storylines for a reason in my eyes… There just is not much to it.

    I have a feeling you may be disappointed in how they cast Daario. I doubt he will be a huge bad-ass warrior. I hope he is not actually. He is in my mind far more about swagger and flamboyance , lithe and lean… more of a dexterous swashbuckler than a hack to pieces warrior. I think there will be a danger element to him, but not that menacing power like with Drogo.

    Everything in GRRM’s world is on steroids. Bigger, BIGGER and badder. It makes for a great fantasy read and environment, but It does not translate to a realistic series on HBO. Just like D&D have removed almost all of the colored hair and armor and weapons, I bet most of the hyperbole-filled characters will be toned down to some degree.

  131. Christmas is coming
    Posted June 27, 2012 at 7:22 pm | Permalink

    They should film in Australia! I want to see tyrion ride a kangaroo!

  132. WildSeed
    Posted June 27, 2012 at 7:24 pm | Permalink

    Aegon the Conqueror,

    I’d pass on hobbits Merry and Pip in exchange for cranoggers Meera and Jojen as
    companions. Likewise, I wish to the seven hells that Jojen had other strengths than
    premonitions. Ser Dontos became “Captain America”, maybe the tv Reed sibs will
    possess other gifts on GoT. On another note, Peter Jackson posed as a ship’s hand
    on “Return of the King”, why not Benioff and Weiss as extras(?). Widely done to
    save $. Exhausting yes but known to happen.It is known.

  133. DH87
    Posted June 27, 2012 at 7:25 pm | Permalink

    Everyone taking issue with my comment—-

    None of the showrunners you mentioned (Chase, Whedon, Weiner, etc.) has cited many times that he/she couldn’t undertake more episodes per year because of the nature of the show and its workload, as have D&D. D&D opened the door to the idea that the show is overwhelming, not me.

    Breaking Bad, Mad Men, X-Files, etc., are/were contemporary soundstage shows, (in the case of The Wire, at least domestic-produced), unlike GOT. Peter Jackson had decades of experienced prior to LOTR. D&D do not. Chris Carter didn’t direct his first ep of the X files until five years into the show’s production run.

    I don’t see a comparable example being put forth: a multi-location costume epic, with not one but two inexperienced showrunners, who’ve remarked repeated on the size of the task they’ve set for themselves, and who’ve already added unnecessary scenes in their first two seasons.

    I don’t hate the guys. I want them to succeed. All showrunners are control addicts, and showrunning is a twelve-month a year job. I hope the guys fight that urge to write, direct, executive produce…… doing it all is a mistake, and there’s no need for it.

  134. darquemode
    Posted June 27, 2012 at 7:31 pm | Permalink

    Aegon the Conqueror,

    I wonder how they will cast the Reeds too…
    Will they age them up and if so, how much?
    Will they remove the heavy fantasy green-ness and tone down the fantasy mysticism, or will they play all of that up?

  135. darquemode
    Posted June 27, 2012 at 7:34 pm | Permalink

    DH87,

    I agree completely.
    They may be able to do more and do it all well, but why? Hire talented people to do some of it and rely on them. It makes it easier for them to put more time toward the overseeing aspects of their job and it makes for a better production in most cases.

  136. Owen Parker
    Posted June 27, 2012 at 7:38 pm | Permalink

    yebot:
    Alex Graves directed the pilot of The Newsroom

    No he didn’t; that was Greg Mottola. Graves is directing a later episode of The Newsroom.

  137. WildSeed
    Posted June 27, 2012 at 7:42 pm | Permalink

    DH87,
    This one understood you (: But thanks for the clarification.

  138. Aegon the Conqueror
    Posted June 27, 2012 at 7:43 pm | Permalink

    darquemode,

    I think it will be a mixture between the two. Do what D@D have been doing so far. Make them less mystic at the beggining and then add as you go along. In my opinion they will look outlandish in their first appearance but not so much that it feels like fantasy. Their mysticism will seep through as the the series continues.

  139. Aegon the Conqueror
    Posted June 27, 2012 at 7:45 pm | Permalink

    WildSeed,

    You do know that me saying the two will be actors was just a silly mistake.
    But on that note and maybe this is just because I’m a a major geek, If I were the two of them I would love to be an extra in one of the scenes somewhere. A wight in the White Walkers host would be freaking cool. ANd with David’s kickass beard and mutton chops he would make an excellent nobleman. Or they could do what GRRM did in the GOT RPG and play a maester.
    I really wonder if the Reeds will have the three spronged frog spear or just a regular one and whether they will be as tiny in the show as they are in the books.

  140. DH87
    Posted June 27, 2012 at 7:49 pm | Permalink

    darquemode: I agree completely.
    They may be able to do more and do it all well, but why? Hire talented people to do some of it and rely on them. It makes it easier for them to put more time toward the overseeing aspects of their job and it makes for a better production in most cases.

    If I “hated” the guys, I’d say it’s strictly a career move, to get the director’s credits they couldn’t get on a show they didn’t run. Aging actors do this all the time as a sort of show nepotism—to learn the director’s craft on the production’s dime, nurse-maided by the A.D.s, directors of the second unit, and lighting folks, and directors of photography.

  141. Eleanor
    Posted June 27, 2012 at 7:50 pm | Permalink

    paylor: What I find amazing in the series is that development seems to have been stuck for 8,000 years or so. Technology and history seems to be stagnant in the land of Westeros. Collective knowledge does not build on itself to develop breakthroughs in medicine, science or societal development. I think that’s a huge missing piece of the puzzle in the story, and I suspect there is a reason for it. Perhaps the power of magic, which ebbs and flows, has stunted the growth of the people in Westeros and Essos.

    Sadly, that’s pretty typical in epic fantasy.

    Something about the genre requires aeons of history, stretching back into semi-myth (like the 998 Lord Commanders of the Night Watch). That is far, far longer than humanity’s written history. And yet the ‘now’ in the book won’t have had an industrial revolution.

  142. Alex Dubrovsky
    Posted June 27, 2012 at 7:51 pm | Permalink

    Peter Jackson had decades of experienced prior to LOTR.

    Peter Jackson directed low budget comedy/horror b-movies and then a couple of “normal” ones before taking on LOTR. Whoever let him make LOTR after watching Braindead, deserves a medal for one of the highest risks ever taken in Hollywood. I love Braindead for all the insanity that goes on there, but you have to agree that it’s just a batshit insane ultra-gory zombie flick.

  143. WildSeed
    Posted June 27, 2012 at 7:54 pm | Permalink

    I could not think of any young sibling actors to portray the Reed siblings without
    considering a few Harry Potter film alumnus. What about $$ Asa Butterfield or
    $ Chandler Canterberry for Jojen and $$ Saoirse Ronan or $ Morgan Lily
    for Meera (?)

  144. Aegon the Conqueror
    Posted June 27, 2012 at 8:05 pm | Permalink

    WildSeed,

    Was watching Hanna the other day and thought Siorse Ronan would be awesome in GOT, though I wasn’t thinking Meera.

  145. WildSeed
    Posted June 27, 2012 at 8:11 pm | Permalink

    Aegon the Conqueror,

    Yeah I know, much depends on the storyline D & D prefers to put forth. In GoT
    many characters have be revised to lessened or expanded roles. We can only
    remain open to their POV as to whether these revision perceive to be true to the books
    or enriching the story. I’m pretty open minded there, I just want a good series worth
    watching. If Benioff and Weiss are more successful in their work we all win. Thank
    the Seven there are fatalities like True Blood as bad role models/ examples.

    What did you think of the miniature actors for the sibs? I don’t know about you but I’ve
    always had problems envisioning Meera’s frog spear thingy.

  146. Aegon the Conqueror
    Posted June 27, 2012 at 8:12 pm | Permalink

    Eleanor,

    It’s absolutely essential to High Fantasy. What fantasy does is transport you to another world just as rich as ours, but infintely different. The whole thing about technology and and civilisation is that it wipes out the elements of adventure and replaces them with the familiar rat race. Swords are a much greater weapon for fantasy than a gun would be simply because it pitches the combatants mano a mano.
    If the world is too similar to ours there’s no point in writing fantasy.
    Lord of the Rings’ history is even longer than ASOIAF and what I find just as peculiar is that the weapons used never went through a stone or bronze age but skipped right through the ancient technology to 14th century mail and plate.

  147. DH87
    Posted June 27, 2012 at 8:13 pm | Permalink

    Alex Dubrovsky: Peter Jackson directed low budget comedy/horror b-movies and then a couple of “normal” ones before taking on LOTR. Whoever let him make LOTR after watching Braindead, deserves a medal for one of the highest risks ever taken in Hollywood. I love Braindead for all the insanity that goes on there, but you have to agree that it’s just a batshit insane ultra-gory zombie flick.

    I believe that series was shot under Australia and New Zealand’s generous economic environment for films that utilize Australian/New Zealand stars, production crew, etc., and I assume that Jackson’s choice was part and parcel of that deal.

  148. Charles whetstone
    Posted June 27, 2012 at 8:16 pm | Permalink

    Aegon the Conqueror,

    Whoa whoa, clam down there mr. Paid cable. No need for such language. Your enraged reaction to my post just confirms my speculation about your social ineptitude, no need for your Facebook bro. It’s ok, I get it, you love the books and you love the reeds. It helps you escape the nightmare that is your life. However, doesn’t mean as book fanboy you have to attack every non- book readers’s comments. (which I have seen you do here a million times)
    As for question for me about what am I doing here…well I live this show. I love every news about it and so of a lot of us viewers. I actually like a lot of the book readers speculation, because They have more Knowlege of the world than i do. (since i refuse to read them because of people like you) Except your specuation aegon however, because you come off as whiny because not everything on the show come up to your imagination. Also, don’t kick anybody in the face man, your mom is making you your mutton, go eat before it gets cold. It is known…

  149. WildSeed
    Posted June 27, 2012 at 8:18 pm | Permalink

    Aegon the Conqueror,

    Saoirse is maybe too $$ but a great addition to the cast. Ideally I’d consider her
    for Arya’s character or the the young girl at the Bravossi temple. Both could be
    powerful portrayals but not likely to happen for SR acquisition or expanse to Bravos
    scenes ( S4 ? )

  150. darquemode
    Posted June 27, 2012 at 8:19 pm | Permalink

    WildSeed,

    I think everyone would love Asa Butterfield as Jojen, I know I would!
    He has been doing the soon-to-bomb Ender’s Game and most thought he could be too busy for Thrones.

    I just saw on IMDB (take it for what you will) that Ender’s Game is in post-production…… So maybe there is still hope for Asa as Jojen.

  151. Queensmoot
    Posted June 27, 2012 at 8:21 pm | Permalink

    Kristian Nairn just tweeted this. Are they starting early or is he doing something else? HODOR!

    Kristian Nairn ‏@KristianNairn
    off to dublin for a few days shoot in the morning :D exciting times X

  152. Aegon the Conqueror
    Posted June 27, 2012 at 8:21 pm | Permalink

    WildSeed,

    I agree with you a hundred percent.

    Well if it was me I’d chuck the three pronged spear, always seemed like a silly weapon to take on a journey and like you had difficulty imagining it.
    As for the little actors, I’d definitely keep that. And one day when Howland Reed gets cast I also hope he’s quite tiny. If you look at it from a logical pov it makes a lot of sense. I’m a white afrikaner and because of our diet that mostly consists of meat we are quite a large and physical ethnic group (just youtube SA SpringbokRugby team and see what I mean).
    I cannot imagine that the swamps that the Reeds inhabit would have a overabundance of meat. So it makes perfect sense to me that the Crannogmen would be a tiny people.

  153. WildSeed
    Posted June 27, 2012 at 8:27 pm | Permalink

    Charles whetstone,

    Thank you majority people ! We’re just exchanging friendly banter here at WiC.
    Most of us take kindly to corrections and other ” reasonable” responses to each other’s
    posts. The use of Wildfire where a few sensible words will suffice to staunch any
    misunderstandings is highly suggested , mmkay ?

  154. Maxwell James
    Posted June 27, 2012 at 8:28 pm | Permalink

    DH87,

    D&D opened the door to the idea that the show is overwhelming, not me.

    I don’t buy it. Show me the quote where they said they personally were so overwhelmed in making the show that no more than 10 episodes were possible.

    My understanding was quite different: that the show is so logistically demanding that no more than 10 episodes can be realistically filmed in a year. That to make 12-13 episodes would be too taxing for the entire cast and crew, especially at the budget level they have to maintain. Which has the virtue of making sense, since as you point out GoT is far from a sound stage operation, like every other scripted drama on television.

    I don’t hate the guys. I want them to succeed.

    I believe you. But there’s wanting them to succeed, and there’s second-guessing every decision they make. I want them to make the best show possible as well, and as someone who thinks good direction is very important, I’m fine with them learning more about the craft of it. And after two years of orchestrating the most complex show on television, the best way for them to do that is to direct an episode or two.

  155. Aegon the Conqueror
    Posted June 27, 2012 at 8:29 pm | Permalink

    WildSeed,

    Thank you so called “minority” person, LMFAO!

  156. fuelpagan
    Posted June 27, 2012 at 8:30 pm | Permalink

    DH87: I believe that series was shot under Australia and New Zealand’s generous economic environment for films that utilize Australian/New Zealand stars, production crew, etc., and I assume that Jackson’s choice was part and parcel of that deal.

    No. Jackson was pushing to make the film when everyone else figured LOTR could only be done through animation. Peter was never a choice because no one else was considering the story filmable. Peter used the economic benefits to sell the idea to New Line.

  157. Arthur
    Posted June 27, 2012 at 8:30 pm | Permalink

    darquemode,

    I agree Bran’s storyline is less complex then the others and it is kind of your basic fantasy quest. However, Bran’s storyline is a way GRRM informs us of how things used to be in ancient times, where magic and mystery were still in abundance. When the children of the forest and the old gods reigned supreme. Bran’s storyline, through the Reeds, is a portal to the ways of old. Yes there are way more fantasy elements and it is less complex but I find the history of the world north of the wall very interesting. The Reeds know about the ways of the old. I personal believe, through what I feel we’re hints in the books, that the Reeds have some children of the forest blood in them. I think their ancestors bred with the children of the forest. I know I am not alone in this belief.

    Bottom line is I see your points and everything you said is cool. To me the less complexity trade off for the more supernatural history of Westeros is one I’m glad GRRM made in Bran’s storyline. I think the Reeds are a blessing to Bran sent by the old gods, as we’re the Direwolves. And I love that!

  158. Aegon the Conqueror
    Posted June 27, 2012 at 8:45 pm | Permalink

    Charles whetstone,

    I get angry quite easily as you have seen and it has nothing do with my social aptitude. I actually (contrary to your belief) live a quite normal social lifestyle.
    As “for the nightmare that is my life” I actually love my life and I’m grateful that I’ve had opportunities few people have had namely playing a sport at a provincial level and getting paid to do it. I love this show and I love what D@D have done with it with the little resources they have.
    I have never “attacked” anyone except for you. So fuck off! And leave me alone to comment, speculate, dream and debate as I see fit. No one has ever had a problem with me here except for you.
    I love this site and I love interfacing with other GOT fans seeing as there aren’t too many in my country.
    I suggest you take WildSeed’s advice.

  159. WildSeed
    Posted June 27, 2012 at 8:45 pm | Permalink

    Aegon the Conqueror,

    I’m not sure of the genetic links ( although I practice sin that field of study ) but as one of
    Caribbean heritage my family is mostly 5 feet and shorter ( yes , I am really < 5 ft tall).
    Our diet came from moved with the tide or root vegetables we'd grow ( seasonable
    tree fruit too of course). I can relate a bit to the cranog people some but seaside
    towns more. I'm definitely not a pirate though, those Iron born are menaces, sorry
    Asha.

  160. Matthew Jam
    Posted June 27, 2012 at 8:46 pm | Permalink

    I for one have no issue with D&D directing an episode, and I’m sure it will be The Event. I always get excited when I see that Matthew Weiner is directing an episode of Mad Men, or Vince Gilligan an episode of Breaking Bad. They usually give themselves the best stuff. Though on those shows, the showrunners usually get the writing credit on the big, event episodes, but last season D&D gave themselves more of the transitional episodes, so I don’t know what to think.

  161. Aegon the Conqueror
    Posted June 27, 2012 at 8:50 pm | Permalink

    WildSeed,

    Haha that’s funny, if someone is 5 foot over here they are considered really short. The Hound’s size is actually quite common around here, though the Mountain is a bit of a stretch.

  162. darquemode
    Posted June 27, 2012 at 9:01 pm | Permalink

    Arthur,

    I agree about the Children of the Forest blood in the Reeds being likely (I think it is more than implied)… and the history and lore aspect too. A lot of people love those aspects.

    I never considered the Reeds blessings from the Old Gods though, that’s what the Dire Wolves were in my mind. The Reeds were more of a generational connection to the past as Howland Reed was there for Eddard Stark , these Reeds will be there for Bran. I definitely think that their knowledge of the old ways is a sort of connection to the old gods though so maybe it is a bit of a connection in both ways…

    There is a lot of generational repeats like that in the saga and I think a lot of the political plots and themes (Illyrio and Varys in particular) can go back to the Great Bastards. Bloodlines and connections to historical events and people play major roles in the broader mystical story to be sure.

  163. MATTHEW
    Posted June 27, 2012 at 9:07 pm | Permalink

    Vanessa Taylor and Bryan Cogman’s episodes is season 2 were fantastic! I’m so glad they’re both returning

  164. Aegon the Conqueror
    Posted June 27, 2012 at 9:09 pm | Permalink

    Charles whetstone,

    You know what I’m just gonna post it here so you can bloody see for yourself
    do with it what you will
    https://www.facebook.com/#!/gerhard.o.vanstaden

  165. Arthur
    Posted June 27, 2012 at 9:14 pm | Permalink

    darquemode,

    Agreed… It is plausible, for me personally, that the Reeds were sent to Bran by the old gods, as the Direwolves were sent to the Stark children by the old gods. All you need to believe is that Jojen’s green dreams were in fact seeded by the old gods. The old gods have plans for Bran and the Reeds were sent to fetch him. =]

  166. Mormegil
    Posted June 27, 2012 at 9:14 pm | Permalink

    Queensmoot: Kristian Nairn just tweeted this. Are they starting early or is he doing something else? HODOR!

    Since Dublin is in the Republic of Ireland and thus not one of the four countries GoT is being filmed in I doubt he is doing any GoT filming there.

  167. Aegon the Conqueror
    Posted June 27, 2012 at 9:20 pm | Permalink

    Arthur,

    That is if the Old Gods even exist.
    I remain highly sceptical to their and every other deity’s existence in the universe of GOT.
    Although there are many inexplicable forces at work, I think the power lies more in the magic and rituals than in the deity.
    But that’s just me.

  168. Aegon the Conqueror
    Posted June 27, 2012 at 9:26 pm | Permalink

    darquemode,

    I always thought it would’ve looked like the 1st fishspear, though imagining it seemed a bit silly.
    Who knows they might just put it in, though I wouldn’t. Luckily for all of us someone a lot more talented is in charge.

  169. Arthur
    Posted June 27, 2012 at 9:27 pm | Permalink

    Aegon the Conqueror,

    The old gods being;

    a collective consciousness of the forest and all living things in it. The “Druidlike” tree guy that is who knows how old. He can see through eyes of birds, animals, even trees. You’re right, he may not be a “God”, but he is something supernatural and extremely powerful. Powerful enough to talk to Bran through dreams and bring Bran to him.

    You know what I am talking about, you read DoD.

  170. WildSeed
    Posted June 27, 2012 at 9:44 pm | Permalink

    WildSeed,

    edit—I meant the use of Wildfire is discouraged when a few choice words of
    response would do….etc.

  171. Mrs. H'ghar
    Posted June 27, 2012 at 9:46 pm | Permalink

    Mimsy: Interesting take.. but it depends on what kind of“warrior” protection you’d prefer.The Reeds would be more ninja like and avoid confrontation (and perhaps survive longer), while Jorah and Rakharro would be swords blazing and confront steel with steel.I would think that the Jorah/Rakharro method would put Bran in into the “dead” category faster than the Reed method.

    I guess it all depends on how you play your Dungeons and Dragons game.lol

    A woman agrees that the Reeds are not useless, but crafty avoiders of confrontation and masters of disguise. Isn’t their castle the one that nobody can find ’cause it moves and is camouflaged? Meera is good with the spear and I think I recall Jojen as an arrow guy, it’s been a while since I read their chapters though so a woman could be a bit off in recollection.

  172. Bonnie Blue
    Posted June 27, 2012 at 9:48 pm | Permalink

    Wow, it was getting spicy in here a little while ago… Should I be scared? :) Not too interested in the Reeds myself, though I’m curious to see who which episode George R.R. will direct… I think if I was one of the actors he probably would have had to change his number many times I would be bugging him with questions!
    I found it interesting that some of the actors chose not to read the books, instead relying on the script. I don’t know how they could stand not to know what was going to happen to their characters!

  173. Aegon the Conqueror
    Posted June 27, 2012 at 9:52 pm | Permalink

    Arthur,

    I am in dire need of re-reading the saga (as I am presently doing, still stuck in GoT). I discovered it about a year before the series aired and as a result read each one only once, so there are many details that I missed including this one.
    The old gods actually being the tree creature is quite a fascinating theory. I don’t suppose we’ll ever get an origins story for any of the supernatural beings. Still want to know what exactly R’hllor is cause I don’t think he’s an omnipotent god.

  174. WildSeed
    Posted June 27, 2012 at 9:53 pm | Permalink

    darquemode,

    Thanks for the links. I recall that Jojen’s spear also had a net , large enough to
    catch a large fish or small animal. Is that so ?

  175. Aegon the Conqueror
    Posted June 27, 2012 at 9:54 pm | Permalink

    Mrs. H’ghar,

    Yes that is their castle and its the reason why I love the Reeds so much! Howland Reed is also apparently quite the warrior considering he and Ned were the only two alive after the confrontation at the Tower of (un)Joy.

  176. Lex
    Posted June 27, 2012 at 9:56 pm | Permalink

    DH87,

    Who do you hate more, D & D or Alan Ball?

    (Sansa voice): Oh wait, I don’t care

    ;)

  177. darquemode
    Posted June 27, 2012 at 10:00 pm | Permalink

    WildSeed,

    Hmmm.. I don’t recall, but I skip the Reeds and Bran when ever I read the books again so I may be the wrong one to ask. Maybe one of the Reed lovers can answer?

  178. Aegon the Conqueror
    Posted June 27, 2012 at 10:00 pm | Permalink

    Bonnie Blue,

    No fear Bonnie Blue. I have never seen something like that happen on WIC.net ever. To the rest of you I apologise for my outburst like Jon Snow I’m a bit of a hothead and if any one of you ever feel like I “attack” your opinion please be as gracious as to point it out to me.
    I think some of the actors are afraid that if they know they’re character is going to die they will emotionally detach and can play the character more powerfully if they (like the character) has no idea what’s going to happen.
    You have to wonder though how for instance Richard Madden avoids the Red Wedding spoiler.

  179. Aegon the Conqueror
    Posted June 27, 2012 at 10:02 pm | Permalink

    darquemode,

    Yes he had a net though I can’t recall the size. I remember because it made me think of the Retarius gladiators in ancient Rome that fought with the spear and trident.

  180. Hi-Fi
    Posted June 27, 2012 at 10:04 pm | Permalink

    Lex:
    DH87,

    Who do you hate more, D & D or Alan Ball?

    (Sansa voice): Oh wait, I don’t care

    ;)

    Now you are being rude.

  181. Mrs. H'ghar
    Posted June 27, 2012 at 10:05 pm | Permalink

    Charles whetstone:
    Aegon the Conqueror,

    Aegon the conqueror,
    It’s book purist fanboys nerds like you who make me ashamed that i and alot of my freinds watch this show. We get it, the show is not exactly how you imagined it while reading in your mothers’s basement, but enough dude seriously. As a tv viewer I could careless who is the reeds. You’ve been reading these books for last 15 + years, who cares. The show runners didn’t make this show for you only. We non-book readers are the majority. I actually refuse to read the books after reading some of your (and those like you) comments.

    Charles, a woman thinks you are missing out on some great reading if you avoid the books just because the “book snobs” on this forum turn you off. I did not read them till after the 1st season aired, and I found my appreciation of the show was enhanced by knowing more of the characters’ thoughts and family histories that I had read about in the books. Just go ahead and pick up a paperback of Game Of Thrones, the first book, and you’ll see what I mean. I’m reading them for the 3rd time now, they’re that good. It doesn’t have to be one or the other. This woman loves both the books AND the show.

  182. Bonnie Blue
    Posted June 27, 2012 at 10:33 pm | Permalink

    Mrs. H’ghar,

    I agree – I didn’t read the books until after I watched the first season, like you. The show actually influenced me to read the books, I really could not wait to see what was going to happen. I guess I have no patience!
    I am not a huge fantasy fan – not my favorite genre. Tends to be lacking in strong women characters. This series, however, has some great, strong female characters which I love. This series (thanks to the show) introduced me to a new genre that I thought I hated. There is room for book fans and show – only fans!
    Also, that’s kind of insulting of that person to insinuate that all the book readers are nerds reading in basements of their parents homes! I live in Northern California and we don’t have basements here.

  183. Charles whetstone
    Posted June 27, 2012 at 11:21 pm | Permalink

    Bonnie Blue,

    You’re right it was rude of me to generalize book readers as nerds living in their mothers’s basement. I know a lot of readers and they are actually good people. But from my perspective, as purely a viewer and a someone currently living overseas and not having time to read the books (yet) I feverlishy devour all knowledge of GoT. Every website or forum i can find I scan for info to help me learn. Even my coworkers who normally would not watch a show like this watch this show and We discuss it daily. However, it’s when I read comments from fans, although normally they’re insightful and entertaining, the ones from readers irratate me. I’m sick and tired of seeing “book snubs” complain!
    - “what the heck! where are the reeds, they are important!”
    “where are the dire wolves?”
    “dude blackwater was ok but what was really missing was the chain”
    “stannis should be more bald”
    “dany’s storyline at thr house of undying sucked, it needed more vague visions.”
    “who the hell is talisa?”
    “where is garlan tyrell! He is my favorite”
    I haven’t read the books but all those gripes seem pointless, but of course I am most likely mistaken since I did read the epic tombs….
    Aegon give me a hug beefcake, and relax

  184. Bonnie Blue
    Posted June 27, 2012 at 11:37 pm | Permalink

    Charles whetstone: Even my coworkers who normally would not watch a show like this watch this show and We discuss it daily. However, it’s when I read comments from fans, although normally they’re insightful and entertaining, the ones from readers irratate me. I’m sick and tired of seeing “book

    I was one like your co workers, who normally wouldn’t watch a show like this. That’s what is so great about the show, it can get people who normally aren’t fans of that genre to not only watch but get hooked on it! The show surely can stand on its own, without reading the books. I’m a huge reader, so I ate the books up, purely because I could not wait to find out what was going to happen.
    I can see your frustration with some of the book readers who post nitpicky comments about the show, I’m one who trys not to do that TOO much, although sometimes it’s fun to discuss certain things! I know many people who only watch the show, so I try not to be too annoying around them :)

  185. More Rice Cooks
    Posted June 27, 2012 at 11:50 pm | Permalink

    Michelle MacLaren has directed some of absolute best episodes of Breaking Bad, including 4 Days Out and Fly. I was not impressed with the direction in S2 (or S1) outside of Alan Taylor and Alik Sakharov so this move is definitely welcome news.

  186. Steven Swanson
    Posted June 28, 2012 at 12:56 am | Permalink

    Aegon the Conqueror:
    Charles whetstone,

    I get angry quite easily as you have seen and it has nothing do with my social aptitude. I actually (contrary to your belief) live a quite normal social lifestyle.
    As “for the nightmare that is my life” I actually love my life and I’m grateful that I’ve had opportunities few people have had namely playing a sport at a provincial level and getting paid to do it. I love this show and I love what D@D have done with it with the little resources they have.
    I have never “attacked” anyone except for you. So fuck off! And leave me alone to comment, speculate, dream and debate as I see fit. No one has ever had a problem with me here except for you.
    I love this site and I love interfacing with other GOT fans seeing as there aren’t too many in my country.
    I suggest you take WildSeed’s advice.

    He’s baiting you, ignore him.

  187. 3eyes
    Posted June 28, 2012 at 1:14 am | Permalink

    Nuff respect to D&D for making sure that there are so many complex and compelling female characters – ladies, whores and, tomboys (count ‘em, three!) alike. It was a long dry spell between Mrs. Peel and Ripley. Likewise for being generous with the bare beefcake; and might we have a look at Steven Cole in S3? That would be worth waiting for!

  188. andrea
    Posted June 28, 2012 at 1:19 am | Permalink

    Langkard: which is needed on a show like GOT which is stocked full of great actors.

    I always think on that when a director/writer is announced for this show.Those actors really deserve the best (and it´s painful when directing or writing aren´t the best).
    Thanks. I have to watch Breaking Bad.

  189. Bonnie Blue
    Posted June 28, 2012 at 1:35 am | Permalink

    More Rice Cooks: Michelle MacLaren has directed some of absolute best episodes of Breaking Bad, including 4 Days Out and Fly.

    Fly was one of my least favorite episodes of Breaking Bad ever! (Don’t mean to offend you – everyone has a different opinion, but I hated it). I only hope that when this directer directs his episode of Game of Thrones, it’s not 54 minutes of Tyrion and Cersai trying to kill a spider… Ughhh no thanks :)

  190. Joshua Taylor
    Posted June 28, 2012 at 1:57 am | Permalink

    Bonnie Blue,

    The “Fly” is more about Symbolism than it was about trying to kill a fly. It was a reference to Walter’s growing anxiety and paranoia. It reflects the loss of control and realization that he is under someone’s thumb yet again. It was also an analogy in a narrative sense for Jesse’s skimming off the top. This episode was the Writing on the Wall that carried into the momentum the final episodes of season 3.

  191. blackbird7309
    Posted June 28, 2012 at 2:23 am | Permalink

    Just Some Dude: Just Some Dude
    Posted June 27, 2012 at 12:53 pm | Permalink

    A female director! Maybe the fangirls will finally be recognized fairly. I can almost hear the “Shirtless Gendry” battlecry.

    But seriously, the show might lose a lot of respect if this season doesn’t respect the interests of the female viewers more. The women already know they are being underrepresented; after a second season of such folly, they’ll switch from thinking it’s oversight to being purposefully ignored, plain and simple. That’s not PR this show wants to have, given the messages of the original work.

    Uuummmm, well, I am a female viewer and have no complaints so far. When I watch a show set in medival times, I want to see battles and sweating men (preferably good looking ones). Don´t mind the sex either :) What did LOTR have? Arwen, Galadriel and Eowyn; wouldn´t have missed them.
    As always, this is a matter of taste. There are enough shows around for the “girls”, but I like it dirrrrrrty.

  192. Bonnie Blue
    Posted June 28, 2012 at 2:30 am | Permalink

    Joshua Taylor,

    Yes, I get the symbolism that the writers were trying for… I just didn’t like the entire episode dedicated to that, just didn’t work for me… But I think that is one episode that is a love it or hate it, from what I have experienced from other viewers! Great show, though, one of my favorites, I wish Aaron Paul would get some recognition like Bryan Cranston does. I still remember him from the squeeky clean mormon boy from HBo’s Big Love – wow what a different character that was!

  193. Anne
    Posted June 28, 2012 at 2:39 am | Permalink

    Aegon the Conqueror,

    I’m from Durban!

  194. Bonnie Blue
    Posted June 28, 2012 at 2:47 am | Permalink

    blackbird7309,

    I happen to think the women characters on Game of Thrones are just as significant and sometimes more significant than the male characters…. One of the reasons I love the books/show! I can’t name another tv show (that is not a “chick show”) where the women are so smart and powerful and so important to the story…
    So, I agree with you!

  195. Claudiu Gherganu
    Posted June 28, 2012 at 3:37 am | Permalink

    More Rice Cooks,

    What about Neil Marshall ?

  196. darquemode
    Posted June 28, 2012 at 3:37 am | Permalink

    Bonnie Blue,

    HA! Yeah that is a bit of a range in roles! XD

    I first recall seeing Aaron Paul on Veronica Mars where he played a spun perv who video taped girls and was suspected of being the E-string Strangler serial killer!
    Not as big a change from Breaking Bad! XD

  197. Alex Dubrovsky
    Posted June 28, 2012 at 4:22 am | Permalink

    DH87: I believe that series was shot under Australia and New Zealand’s generous economic environment for films that utilize Australian/New Zealand stars, production crew, etc., and I assume that Jackson’s choice was part and parcel of that deal.

    Still, he had absolutely zero experience with productions of this scale and complexity. He was an eager young filmmaker in love with the source material (sounds familiar?).

  198. Blood
    Posted June 28, 2012 at 5:41 am | Permalink

    About the Old Gods and the “tree creature”, we actually know who that is from the books & and the Dunk and Egg stories. Brynden Rivers a.k.a. Bloodraven. A Targaryen bastard who served at different times as Master of Whisperers, Hand or the King and Lord Commander of the Night’s Watch and then finally the Three Eyed Crow. Believed to be a sorcerer, a belief confirmed when we learn he is the TEC. So if he’s one of the Old God’s so to speak, so is Bran now.

  199. loco73
    Posted June 28, 2012 at 6:10 am | Permalink

    The list of directors looks allright, since this is so early in these types of anouncements, the list can always change, it did last year. D&D directing should be interesting.

    I hoped that Tim Van Patten would come back to GoT and direct, I definitely want Neil Marshall at some point to return and am a bit bummed that we did not get Jeremy Podeswa to work on the show. He is very talented and would make a great addition to GoT.

  200. Ross
    Posted June 28, 2012 at 6:25 am | Permalink

    Not really understanding how TV shows are developed, I have always been intrigued by the need for multiple directors and writers in TV. Would it be completely unfeasible for one or two directors to do the whole series?

    Also, how does it work with shooting? For example, say they need to film a few scenes with Dany in Morocco that will appear in say, three episodes. I assume it makes sense to shoot all those scenes in one go as you are on location. So which of the directors from the three episodes is present? One? All three? How does that work?

  201. caoimay
    Posted June 28, 2012 at 6:39 am | Permalink

    K,

    thats too bad, when he was on the empire podcast he said he really wanted to come back

  202. ace
    Posted June 28, 2012 at 6:51 am | Permalink

    this blurb mentioned that Tara Fitzgerald will be involved with the series

    http://www.standard.co.uk/news/londoners-diary/why-tara-fitzgerald-has-the-mindset-of-an-athlete-7896158.html

  203. Biscotti
    Posted June 28, 2012 at 7:01 am | Permalink

    ace:
    this blurb mentioned that Tara Fitzgerald will be involved with the series

    http://www.standard.co.uk/news/londoners-diary/why-tara-fitzgerald-has-the-mindset-of-an-athlete-7896158.html

    selyse?

  204. Mormegil
    Posted June 28, 2012 at 7:04 am | Permalink

    Biscotti: selyse?

    Probably, the only other possible roles would be Dalla (if in) and Val I would think.

  205. Claudiu Gherganu
    Posted June 28, 2012 at 7:20 am | Permalink

    Mormegil: Probably, the only other possible roles would be Dalla (if in) and Val I would think.

    No way , she’s way too old for Val and Dalla , she’s Selyse for sure considering they said that she begins shooting next week and we know from Carice van Houten’s twitter that she’s starting filming soon as well thus confirming my suspicion .

  206. Macha
    Posted June 28, 2012 at 7:21 am | Permalink

    Mormegil,

    Uh, not the Selyse I expected personally – I’m leaning towards Dalla or Val – but hey….possible casting announcement! Now we’ll just have to wait and see if this is legit.

    EDIT:
    Claudiu Gherganu,
    Actually, you may have a point there.

  207. The_Rabbit01
    Posted June 28, 2012 at 7:23 am | Permalink

    ace,

    Biscotti,

    Mormegil,

    Hmmm… interesting.
    Just to add that Carice tweeted she s heading to Dragonstone – so it could be Selyse.
    And anyone noticed that they mentioned the next week as start of the filming?

  208. Claudiu Gherganu
    Posted June 28, 2012 at 7:27 am | Permalink

    Macha,

    Also when and if Val and Dalla will be cast they will probably be used in Iceland not Ireland anyway .

  209. Macha
    Posted June 28, 2012 at 7:33 am | Permalink

    Claudiu Gherganu,

    You’re right, of course, brain cramp on my part. It’s just that I’ve seen TF in many productions and she’s not at all what I imagined Selyse would be, but that’s not a bad thing at all, she’s a talented actress and I trust Nina Gold completely in the choices she makes. I was thinking Val because it sort of fitted with my mental image of TF in other parts, aaand because I remembered her younger. Ok, now I’m all giddy and excited!

  210. Aegon the Conqueror
    Posted June 28, 2012 at 8:06 am | Permalink

    Charles whetstone,

    Just FYI, I have never said anyone of those things. I was dissapointed that the Reeds weren’t in season 2, but I moved on and hoped they would be in season 3.
    I am not a purist book fanand I’m actually one of the very few book readers who liked Talisa more than Jeyne and I was quite public about it.
    The only change I have ever complained about was Irri dying, and I didn’t complain because she survived longer in the books, I complained cause I loved the actress.
    Conversation is at an end!

  211. Aegon the Conqueror
    Posted June 28, 2012 at 8:13 am | Permalink

    Anne,

    oh my gosh! The old gods have answered my prayers! (note to self, check the nearby hidden areas for direwolves pups). When did you become a fan?

  212. Aegon the Conqueror
    Posted June 28, 2012 at 8:14 am | Permalink

    Anne,

    oh my gosh! I’m from JHB! The old gods have answered my prayers! (note to self, check the nearby hidden areas for direwolves pups). When did you become a fan?

  213. Aegon the Conqueror
    Posted June 28, 2012 at 8:22 am | Permalink

    Claudiu Gherganu,

    A little too pretty for Selyse, but then again Gwendoline Christie (under normal circumstances) is way too pretty to be Brienne. So hopefully they will do the same thing to Selyse. Wonder if she’s gonna have the little moustache.

  214. Knurk
    Posted June 28, 2012 at 9:23 am | Permalink

    Bonnie Blue,

    One of my least favourite episodes too, I got the meaning of it but an entire episode was a bit too much for me. Also: Aaron Paul gets enough recognition, he’ll win the Emmy again and leave everyone here in tears.

  215. fake-o name-o
    Posted June 28, 2012 at 9:27 am | Permalink

    Steven Swanson: They didn’t “diagnose dyslexia”, Tywin described Jaime’s tendency to switch letters around, which, as a non-dumbass, he could notice very easily. I have no idea how you can consider that anachronistic, and my guess is your real complaint is that it didn’t derive directly from the books.

    paylor: Yes, very nitpicky and like others, it just makes me think you don’t like it because it isn’t in the books.

    Wow, ok…

    Clearly all the reasons I stated for not enjoying those particular scenes can be ignored.
    Clearly, all of my objections are due to my being a book purist–which is clearly the worst sort of person in the world.

    Even though I am a fan of 99% of the changes made for the TV show, if I have any issues with the writing on the show, it must be because it deviated from the books.

    Very fanboyish of you to dismiss any and all criticism out of hand.

  216. caravaggio
    Posted June 28, 2012 at 11:00 am | Permalink

    DrewNovak,

    I got so pumped when I read Michelle Maclaren’s credentials on IMDB. She’s directed some of Breaking Bad’s most incredible episodes — including “One Minute,” “Salud,” and “4 Days Out” — and not to mention the best episode of The Walking Dead season 2, “Pretty Much Dead Already.”

  217. caravaggio
    Posted June 28, 2012 at 11:18 am | Permalink

    Claudiu Gherganu:
    Carne,

    I keep seeing people mentioning this show like it’s the best thing ever yet from what I seen on some clips on youtube it just seems to me like an averagetv show about drug trafficants or whatever . Is it worth watching ?

    This show could not be less average. Watching clips out of context on YouTube will dilute your experience of Breaking Bad. It is one of the best-written dramas ever put on television.

    Do yourself a favor and watch the entire first season. The good part is it’s only seven episodes long, so it really pulls you right in the first episode onward.

  218. queenofthorns
    Posted June 28, 2012 at 11:28 am | Permalink

    If D&D are indeed directing, I hope this means they will leave much more of the writing to the rest of the writing staff. The quality of writing in their episodes was unquestionably worse during S2 than S1 when compared to the other writers, I assume due to overwork/lack of time. If they are also directing this problem can only get worse.

  219. Claudiu Gherganu
    Posted June 28, 2012 at 11:35 am | Permalink

    queenofthorns:
    If D&D are indeed directing, I hope this means they will leave much more of the writing to the rest of the writing staff.The quality of writing in their episodes was unquestionably worse during S2 than S1 when compared to the other writers, I assume due to overwork/lack of time.If they are also directing this problem can only get worse.

    I didn’t see that much difference to their writing compared to season 1 . Just because fanboys of the books bitch about changes doesn’t mean bad writing get it through your heads .

  220. fake-o name-o
    Posted June 28, 2012 at 1:22 pm | Permalink

    The Kingslayer: I doubt that the best episode is the pilot and that was directed by Frank Darabont.

    Actually, yeah, you’re right. I’ll say “Pretty Much Dead Already” was the best episode of season 2.

  221. The Dragon Demands
    Posted June 28, 2012 at 1:58 pm | Permalink

    Surely these female directors won’t interfere with the Male Gaze we’ve enjoyed in the show?

  222. Thiago Waldhelm
    Posted June 28, 2012 at 3:01 pm | Permalink

    Tyrion Pimpslap:
    OT: Is this website loading slowly for anyone else?The past several days it has loaded at a snail’s pace for me. I’m using IE.

    that’s your mistake, right there on the last sentence =)

  223. Doran's Gouty Toe
    Posted June 28, 2012 at 8:56 pm | Permalink

    Really Charles, if you’re THAT obsessed with GoT, why deny yourself the pleasure of reading the books? I enjoy the show, never vented a nitpick in my life, but the books are where it’s at really, EVERYBODY I’ve introduced them to have immensely enjoyed them, nerds, jocks, girls and boys, adults and teenagers, cool and dork, even my policeman father! If you like to gather extra info about the world, this is the best way to indulge yourself! Then you’ll see, you’ll nitpick a bit yourself, but I agree with you that doing so loudly on these forum quickly get REALLY tiresome!…

    And by the way, the Reeds do seem rather uninteresting to me, don’t see the obsession. Rather curious about their father though.

  224. Matt
    Posted June 30, 2012 at 4:41 pm | Permalink

    Don’t forget that GRRM will surely be writing another episode (ep 9 I presume) and it will undoubtedly be the RW. Perhaps D&D will direct, with GRRM Executive Producing and Writing…

  225. mags giantsbabe
    Posted July 1, 2012 at 4:33 pm | Permalink

    if bran’s story does indeed follow the ‘high fantasy’ narrative and it’s followed through to the end, i wonder then if Bran won’t end up being the ‘Prince that was Promised’?

    Anne and Aegon the Conquerer: i’m from Pretoria!!! Go look for me under Magderie Nel on Facebook, if you wish (and anyone else). I want to connect with some Got fans worldwide (: My profile pic is Jon Snow with Ghost.


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