Joe Dempsie, who plays Gendry, was interviewed recently by 1883 Magazine. He talks about his acting career, what he thinks of LA and, of course, Game of Thrones. In one answer, he manages to drop a hint about season three.
So you looking forward to season 3?
Yes back filming in July. They keep the storylines very closely guarded, so I’ve no idea what’s in store. But the encouraging thing for me is that the producer said to me towards the end of season 2 that although my character isn’t in third book too much, they’re quite open to writing some new storylines for my character, so hopefully I’ll be doing some interesting stuff.
Winter Is Coming: So it sounds like filming on season three will get underway in July, as expected. Interesting to hear about the potential for new storylines for Gendry. While I’m not opposed to new storylines in general, I worry that the writers may end up stretching the story too thin. This was one of my complaints for season two. There is so much in A Storm of Swords to tackle as it is, I hope that David & Dan make sure that any invented storylines don’t detract at all from the impact of those events.
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Hurrah, more Gendry!
slave2thewageQuote Reply
Much as I agree about the potential pitfalls of allowing the story to expand in such a manner, Dempsie’s portrayal of Gendry has been really good and I don’t think we’ve seen enough of him. You know, since Arya’s journey was severely truncated from page to screen.
More Gendry in S3 might allow them to compensate for that.
ZackQuote Reply
I’ve always wondered if Gendry will fill the role of Edric Storm. Not entirely sure how they’d do it, but I guess that’s one possibility.
RossQuote Reply
Yes, in a TV-medium, his character might seem a little pointless if he basically just disappears in season 3. Jaqen was mysterious and always kept his distance to Arya, so it didn’t seem too weird when he left her (though I’m sure many non-readers where disappointed) If Gendry just goes “yeah, so bye!” it would seem like a cop-out of sorts. It seems many non-readers expect big things from him, being a possible heir to Roberts throne and all that.
I suppose he’ll simply stick with Arya for a good while, and why not? – this won’t detract from the story, or make it unnecessarily complicated.
sjweningsQuote Reply
sjwenings,
Well it will be interesting to see how the writers involve the Hound the next two seasons. Fortunately for him, he’s a very recognizable and memorable character so they could just have him sit out the season before be picks up Arya in season 4 and thus give more time to develop Gendry, Arya and Hotpie in season 3.
MadmageQuote Reply
Gendry joins the Brotherhood in S3. They can just expand on his role there, maybe.
Jaime LannisterQuote Reply
They will probably extend roles of everyone if our initial guessing was correct and third season is just the first half of ASOS.
AstalnarQuote Reply
All hail the Lightning Lord. Looks like we’ll be meeting him soon.
Varamyr FourskinsQuote Reply
Man, who cares about Gendry? Why do D&D insist on giving all these minor characters bigger roles with more screen time when there are so many major characters that they need to focus on?
What I am looking forward to in seasons 3 & 4 is… More Dany, more Bran, more Jon Snow. Less Tyrion, less Cersie, less Joffery. I wouldn’t mind seeing scenes with Cers and Joff getting owned by Marg and the queen of thorns. Otherwise can we please see some Brienne with Jamie? A lot more of Dany, Bran and Jon?
Geez, a man can only hope that D&D start spending valuable screen time more wisely.
ArthurQuote Reply
Before we start getting our knickers in a twist remember that before S2 we were told that Jaime’s scenes were to be expanded for NCW. There’s enough Gendry in the first half of ASOS to keep Joe Dempsie occupied, certainly more than in ACOK
HouseLarkQuote Reply
I just shared the same idea over on IMDB. I think that Melisandre could see him in her fires and send for him. Then, when Davos saves him and puts him on a ship, the ship could end up in Braavos, and he could be reunited with Arya!
ButterbumpsQuote Reply
Arthur,
One word for u pal
‘clueless’
AshQuote Reply
Ash,
So I am clueless for wanting screen time to be allocated to main characters instead of D&D trying to satisfy every actor in their cast with screen time?
Thanks!
I guess that would make me clueless. Clueless to the logic D&D choose to follow. Perhaps Gendry and Ros can team up in an adventure that leads them beyond the wall.
ArthurQuote Reply
I do, and I’m sure many others do too.
ClaidheamhQuote Reply
As much as I like Joe and Gendry for that matter I also worry about D & D stretching the series, ASOS is a massive book which features alot of important arcs.
Please for the love of R’holler get rid of Ros !!!
The KingslayerQuote Reply
Arthur,
Gendry is more interesting than your boring Reeds , that’s for sure !
Claudiu GherganuQuote Reply
Arthur,
Joe Dempsie is a very good actor and he has many fans unlike Ros so comparing them is insulting . Therefore your argument is garbage . Just please stop posting on this site dude!
Claudiu GherganuQuote Reply
Gendry is hugely popular. I don’t think it’s unreasonable for him to have more to do, in terms of conversations with Arya and the Brotherhood. I don’t think they have to invent new distracting storylines to give Joe Dempsie more airtime.
Ours is the FuryQuote Reply
Claudiu Gherganu,
Ros has lots of fans too. The irrational hatred for her you see here isn’t the standard everywhere.
Ours is the FuryQuote Reply
I care about Gendry! Mainly because he’s a bloody Baratheon and let’s face it.. that lineage isn’t doing so hot right now. Gendry may be a minor character, but he’s crucial to a long standing house and his friendship with the Stark’s can only mean good things. I’m still a big fan of Gendry uniting the Stark/Baratheon houses thru marriage.. where Robert failed.
MimsyQuote Reply
I believe Ros may outlive us all. She’s in better hands now.
sbj2k1Quote Reply
Cool. Always happy to see more Joe Dempsie.
OT: someone may already have linked to this, but here are some Westeros super-PAC attack ads.
Tom HiltonQuote Reply
Arthur,
You say you want main characters featured but then want to see less Cersei and less Tyrion. I’m gonna let you in on a little secret, they are main characters, SURPRISE! As for Gendry, I think you are underestimating how significant his character could eventually be. He serves with the Brotherhood, who claim to still serve King Robert, who just so happens to be Gendry’s father.
You don’t think they might rally around him once they find out who he is? He is described as big and muscular and strong and he can make weapons, and he is THE BULL. You think George would assign such a badass animal for an insignificant character? What about when Ned in Season 1 tells the blacksmith, “Let me know if the day comes when that kid would rather swing a sword than make one.” I found that very telling.
ButterbumpsQuote Reply
I would love to see more “post-Arya” brotherhood. They actually do a lot that we only hear about in retrospect like the finding of Stoneheart (since it seems we may not see this from Nymeria’s perspective like in the books) and the culling of the Freys (we get some of that but I want MORE). I like Gendry. He’s got pizzazz.
KingthlayerQuote Reply
Arthur,
Agreed that comment wasn’t very helpful, but I don’t think I agree with you about how to spend screen-time. Beyond finding Tyrion and Cersei more entertaining that anyone else this season (Headey really flipped a switch between seasons, and thank goodness), for me, the smallfolk and the Brotherhood without Banners are a central part of the story — and one of the most important, interesting, and complicated moral and political sites of the setting — that I felt a little short-changed on in the books because of lack of POV characters available to keep us posted. (And I’m very much hoping that the schism within it gets much more play in Winds and ends up being important for a number of not-obviously-implicated characters).
Considering how much I’ve loved Dempsie’s Gendry, I am looking forward to those scenes as much as any in the series right now probably (non-Oberyn division). If they really stretch out Arya and Gendry’s interactions with eachother and with the BwB, I will be over the moon.
Of course, there are costs — I think the biggest reason that Robb and Talisa’s plotline was so dull onscreen was that they didn’t have enough screentime to really show the things they wanted to show. But I’m hopeful that splitting the book into two, plus or minus, will alleviate a lot of those problems.
darrylzeroQuote Reply
I agree, “stretching”, Gendry’s role is no big deal. Him basically talking to Arya and getting her inner monologue out in the open can easily be added. I thought the Arya/Gendry/Hot Pie book portions were a delight to read. I’d also like to see more of Hot Pie.
MimsyQuote Reply
To be honest, I’d kind of hate this. You don’t even need to cast Edric Storm to make the debate about him resonant, so running roughshod over Gendry’s decision to stay with the Brotherhood would be a mess I think.
darrylzeroQuote Reply
The producers saying they’re open to adding more storylines for Gendry could also indicate, down the line, that they’re going to have more Stoneheart than in the books and keep Michelle Fairley around more. I was wondering what they’d do with the actress production-wise since Catelyn’s kind of “around” but really barely present. Maybe they’re planning on keeping her as a main character.
ChrisQuote Reply
Nail on the head. Perfectly stated.
Are you all leaning towards Gendry being the POV for the Brotherhood? Cuz, Catelyn is all wonky by the time she comes to the Brotherhood and I think her undead thoughts would scare me. O.O
MimsyQuote Reply
Gendry as a supporting character Arya’s storyline is fine. I loved their interactions. Me comparing him to Ros was totally wrong. He is important and Ros is just boobs with lines.
It’s just book 2 was all about Kings Landing mostly. I’d like Dany, Bran, Jon, Arya and Brienne with Jaime to be at the forefront.
Of course I love Tyrion and Joff and Cers. I just want them to switch it up, as is done in the books, and have them on screen less and the others on screen more. I can’t wait to see Marg vs Cers and Joff!
ArthurQuote Reply
Once the show surpasses George’s books the writers will finish the series by planting Ros on the Iron Throne.
The KingslayerQuote Reply
Arthur,
I never got the impression that Jon Snow & Dany were the main characters when reading the books. Everyone seems to think they are, so I could be wrong about that, but they always seemed like sideshows to me. Dany is an eye on the East/Dragons and Jon is an eye on the North/Others. Jaime & Bran are the main protagonists in my eyes, and we hardly saw any of them this season… but it was still a great season, IMO, even better than S1.
I don’t mind focusing on minor characters. They never appear on screen by themselves, because they’re always part of a larger story. Gendry is connected to Arya and Beric Dondarrion, who is in turn connected to the Hound and Catelyn. So, in any case, Gendry’s storyline will tell a story that pertains to everyone else.
That’s the case I try to make with Ros. Since when did she start hogging screen time to herself? She appears with Theon, and Littlefinger and Varys, and sheds light on some very important things that are going on behind the scenes. She gave us a hint at Theon’s betrayal, and LF’s scheming, and Pycelle’s true nature, etc. And she will soon give us insight into Varys’s character, which I look forward to.
Gendry will do much the same in regards to different characters, but without so much T&A (some of the ladies on here might protest to that, but I prefer Ros myself).
Varamyr FourskinsQuote Reply
That is a terrible thing to say about both the character and the actress.
sukeynaQuote Reply
Any rumors about new characters?!
PeppeQuote Reply
sukeyna,
The actress? How so? Even the best actress would still be able to make Ros as written little more than that. I don’t know how talented Esme is. This role isn’t allowing her to shine.
She gets to bare her body, smile nervously, cry. Hardly the most demanding things to ask of your actress.
ZackQuote Reply
Most of my book reader friends like Gendry, myself included. All of my non reader friends have no opinion on him yet because he hasn’t done anything to care about him in one way or another. Unless they give him something useful or important to do in S3, then less time spent on his character and more on others that have more to provide for the overall season/series would be a good thing for the show.
RygarQuote Reply
Gendry is a supporting character at best and a minor one at that honestly…
I do not want more Gendry scenes for the sake of keeping every character on screen. However if they find a way to have Gendry fill the role of other characters it could be okay…. maybe. He could join the Brotherhood Without Banners a bit earlier and fill the role of some of the supporting members of the BwoB. Personally I would rather have Tom O’Sevens and Lem Lemoncloak than Gendry taking their parts….
I think it will turn out okay, but the thing that made Season 1 so successful was D&D taking the book which is a non-traditional TV format and sticking to it more or less. In Season 2 they moved closer to a more traditional TV formula with all the characters getting time and their own more personal stories and it was not nearly as fluid, or successful.
darquemodeQuote Reply
I know its a long shot but hopefully Gendry will be the rallying point of BWB and there’s no zombie Cat in the show.
Oi!Quote Reply
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http://www.tv.com/news/the-critics-choice-awards-honor-community-and-homeland-28915/
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JohnQuote Reply
Zack,
Really? Because I’m sure we could both come up with several dozen examples of actresses’ who were asked to do just that, and failed miserably.
Also, can we let the sex and nudity complaints go, please? Pretty sure the Huffington Post just took a giant steaming dump on how much actual nudity was in the show versus the perceived amount that so many people were saying was present (16 minutes total, in roughly 20 hours = less than a minute per episode total). So Ros is hardly “walking, talking boobs”, and actually only had one nude scene in the entire second season.
Pastor_of_MuppetsQuote Reply
Ours is the Fury,
I think popularity is a terrible excuse for enlarging a role of a character of a pre-existing story. It’s one thing in a soap opera that is written week to week when a character “hits” and they make them a bigger part of the show. Game of Thrones has a story already laid out and putting a magnifying lens on one small insignificant part (like Gendry) takes focus away from other aspects that actually matter to the larger story.
That said, who knows what George has in store for Gendry in the later books. We will obvious see more of the BwoB and he could play some more important role and be one of those charatcers that GRRM rolls out slowly…
darquemodeQuote Reply
Varamyr Fourskins,
Gendry getting more lines in a supporting role for Ayra is fine with me and I am all for it. Their chemistry on-screen was awesome and entertaining to watch. (I really hope the Reeds with Bran end up being as good as Gendry with Arya). I have read the books and then listened to them (I most say the audio versions with Roy Dotrice reading them were amazing). I also remember Gendry is the one that saves Brienne from Biter So having that little side story with Gendry and then have him reappear later down the road to do that could be an awesome payoff. So I guess him getting a few minutes of alone time would be fine if that payoff occurs later on down the road.
Again, I have nothing against Tyrion or Cers or any of the characters/actors at Kings Landing. Book 2 focused on those characters and what was going on there so it is natural for the TV show to do the same. All I am saying is book 3 has a lot more Dany, Bran, Jon, Brienne and Jaime and a few others then they did in book 2. So I hope D&D stay true to the books in that regard and give those characters ample screen time to do all their storylines justice. Just ease off life at Kings Landing and all the characters there a little bit.
Don’t try to make it sound like I am asking them to cut those characters from season 3 and 4. Not at all, just give them less screen time and the others I have mentioned more, Just like the books did. They do need to build up Marg so I hope we get some good Marg vs Cers scenes and the like.
And I can’t wait for the Reeds and for Bran to learn how to consciously Warg!
ArthurQuote Reply
So you’re saying that nothing is easy because, with the planet being comprised of 6bn+ people, plenty of people have failed at every conceivable task. I see.
ZackQuote Reply
Pastor_of_Muppets,
Agreed.
The Ros hate is byeond old and played out. Everyone understands some hate her and consider her a time sucker, nothing but nudity and a waste of time….
We know others see her as tool for insight into characters D&D want to show more of that are not POV roles in the books. A way to get more time for characters outside of the book scenes and not much more seeing as she herself takes little time on screen.
Can we move on already? Why repeat the same things over and over?
Do some people like to see themselves write that much?
We get it. Ros = Bad to some or Ros = Acceptable to others.
darquemodeQuote Reply
Arthur,
yeah i get what you’re saying and i agree. jaime & brienne, dany, and jon have a lot to do this next season so they should be in the spot light more so than the last season. i’m curious what they’ll do with King’s Landing because at the moment it’s stacked with characters. Storm of Swords is so good and if D&D just follow the books like they did in season 1 this will be the best season yet.
also, i don’t know why people give you so much crap lol
SolarQuote Reply
I love Gendry (shirtless) & him & Arya are one of my fave pairs…. But I really hope they don’t ‘add’ stories for the sake of it. There’s sooooooo much to cover in season 3, that extra story lines are gonna detract from the actual story! We already have Ros who takes up more air-space than any other frigging character, & she isn’t even an actual character!!!!
I was disappointed with some of turns season 2 took, but thats mostly cos I’m a book-obsessive, so for me, season 3 has a lot of making up to do!
And…. The Bastard is Coming, so I just want him to get ALL screen time :D
TheFlayedLadyQuote Reply
darquemode,
Hey I agree with you 100%.
But sometimes old arguments are good. It is good to see everyone back to the legit nitpicking of the show and its characters, rather then GWB stuff. =)
ArthurQuote Reply
As long as it’s more Gendry and not more Ros, I’m open for new storylines…
…Quote Reply
I don’t think Gendry would take anyone’s role. Let’s not forget even though he’s strong and determined, he doesn’t really know how to fight. Unlike Wil Turner (Pirates of the Carribean), Gendry didn’t seriously practice sword fighting after he made the weapon. Much to my dismay! lol
Anyway, I imagine the Brotherhood’s seasoned warriors will teach Gendry how to fight and handle weapons. The plus would be that being a blacksmith, Gendry would have an advantage knowing what weapons can cause what damage and so forth.
I think it’s exciting to see a character develop into a weapon of mass destruction. (Embellishment much?!) It would have been AWESOME to see the Hound develop his skills. I can just imagine.
As for my non reader friends, they were all “OH DAMN!” when they found out Gendry was a Baratheon bastard and they LOVE it that he’s a blacksmith. They totally love his character foundation and they expect big things from Gendry. lol
MimsyQuote Reply
Solar,
You noticed that? It is okay though. I have strong opinions that are sometimes opposite of another person with strong opinions so I think I rub them the wrong way. When they can no longer have a relevant debate on the topic being discussed, they pivot and make personal attacks on the poster. It’s done all the time in politics and is an old tactic. I don’t let it get me down. The more intelligent posters on here know the deal and if they disagree with me it is done respectfully.
It is all good though, no worries…
ArthurQuote Reply
Can’t people see her both ways, and be annoyed?
People in the real world don’t exist to flesh out other people. People all have their own personalities. Ros’ defenders speak of her like she’s a hammer for a carpenter, as though that’s somehow a great defense of her.
I see her that way and am bored, because no person should be reduced to being a carpenter’s hammer.
ZackQuote Reply
Arthur,
Doesn’t Tyrtion have the second most POV chapters in Storm of Swords only behind Arya and Jon Snow? He still has a major role in the season twice as much as Bran who has a minor role in the saga in general. Dany has 3 or 4 chapters less that Tyrion too if I recall.
I also hope there is more Jaime and Brienne and Arya (how could there not be), but to say Bran is more important than Tyrion (or King’s Landing) in Book III is just silly.
There is a reason Tyrion has more face time than most everyone else. He is more central to the story than most others. King’s Landing and Tyrion play a major role in the saga in the first 3 or 4 books and should have more time than minor characters IMO.
I would not mind if D&D left out some roles for half a season or more in some cases, but Tyrion or King’s Landing could be left out for lthat ong. Bran though…..
darquemodeQuote Reply
Zack,
With boobs! (Maybe not HER boobs, but one of her fellow working girls)
ArthurQuote Reply
Discounting Cersei’s children (due to the whole incest thing) isnt Gendry the third heir to the iron throne? sounds pretty important to me
Tytos BlackwoodQuote Reply
Gendry >>>>>>> Reeds.
Ros >>>>>>>>>>> Reeds.
In fact, everyone who’s not a Reed >>>>>>>>>>>>> Reeds.
Jojen has got to be the most annoying and boring character in the books.
Alex DubrovskyQuote Reply
I don’t know about this…
I agree Gendry is certainly popular (my non book-reader friends are all very intrigued by his character, and would certainly be a little confused if he just disappeared from the show), but that’s one of the characteristics of GOT: Tons of characters, some major, some minor, and they all come and go. Are the producers starting to get so attached to characters that they’re unwilling to drop them? That’s a troubling sign, IMO. Especially since the expanded storylines in Season 2 were pretty poorly handled (especially Robb/Talisa).
On the other hand, some of their invented scenes have been quite good (Tywin/Arya). So maybe it could work…
But honestly, what’s the point? By Book 5 Gendry is still not important, so any changes they make would be totally invented, and yet totally inconsequential at the same time. Kinda worries me.
And let’s not forget how rushed the story has been, to the detriment of major story arcs like Jon Snow. I loved Season 2, but I do think it’s getting hard to justify inventing new storylines, when we’re already sacrificing large portions of existing ones.
LexQuote Reply
Lex,
Good post, but one thing to keep in mind is that they have Martin there as a consultant. They might ask him point blank, has Gendry got much of a role in future books?, when making decisions on who’s roles should be expanded.
But that’s me reading more than perhaps I should into the announcement of the Blackfish being auditioned for.
ZackQuote Reply
darquemode,
Yes, Tyrion is still around. He is there basically just picking up the pieces after his Blackwater ordeal. He also has the whole marriage with Sansa thing going on also. Maybe you are right about him having a lot of chapters but I don’t remember his character progressing being as exciting or as huge as some of the others that were hardly shown during season 2.
I like Peter and he is the best Tyrion ever and Tyrion is a great character. I guess all I am saying is I really would like D&D to put the spotlight on some of the other POV characters. Dany has such an awesome adventure this book, as does Jon, Bran and Arya. The Brienne and Jaime chapters are all amazing. Marg vs Cers/Joff will be really fun. There is so much going on!
All I am trying to say, though I agree he is a great actor, is I just hope D&D realize there is more to ASOIAF then just Peter Dinklage.
ArthurQuote Reply
I don’t mind if Gendry will get an expandedstoryline. The numerous characters keep the show fresh and interesting. Focussing on only a few characters at the time could have an adverse effect on the show, just take a look at some of the prime-time network shows outhere, where the cast is limited and you have the same characters having the spotlight shone on them, always safe, sound and unharmed ready to come back for another season. GOT is not that kind of show, its well rounded and insanely well cast and talented actors are part and parcel of the show’s soul.
So I don’t mind seeing Tyrion and then a scene with Ros ( I’m most certainly not part of thet anti-Ros block), then Jon Snow, Dany and then Osha or Talisa etc. It is both the “minor” and “major” characters who contribute to the show’s entire quality.
Dempsey is a good actor and I for one would not mind him having an extended storyline next season, besides we would also more than likely get more Arya, and that can’t be bad!
loco73Quote Reply
Tytos Blackwood,
In the world of Westeros, bastards have no right to any inheritance or titles…
Just thought I would point that out.
ArthurQuote Reply
Except that Ros is a completely fictional character created solely for TV whereas, Gendry is a character in the books (& I believe an important character for later in the story, seems appropriate to keep him in the viewers mind if this is the case).
Laura T.Quote Reply
Not true. There are many cases cited in GOT of bastards being legitimized. In fact, Robb intends to legitimize Jon Snow in the event anything should happen to him, making Jon the legal heir to the throne of the north, above Sansa.
Laura T.Quote Reply
Laura T.,
Right, so you think a standing King is going to pass a decree to legitimize Gendry so Gendry can then claim the throne as his own? That makes no sense to me.
ArthurQuote Reply
Astalnar,
Dave and Dan have confirmed that ASoS will be done over two seasons. Which means season 1 will comprise the first half of ASoS.
Aegon the ConquerorQuote Reply
Interesting. But which king is going to legitimize Gendry? Stannis is the only Baratheon left, and even he seems awfully stiff to go that far.
ZackQuote Reply
Laura T.,
.
You are right, I did already apologize for that.
ArthurQuote Reply
Arthur,
clueless because you say you want less Tyrion.
Aegon the ConquerorQuote Reply
Aegon the Conqueror,
I hate to burst your bubble but this saga is not just about Tyrion. Wanting “less” Tyrion doesn’t mean he just dissappears. It is time for other main POV characters to step fourth. Why is that such an issue with some people?
ArthurQuote Reply
Butterbumps,
Don’t forget the fact that Gendry is the spitting image of a young RObert. Why did George say that about him but not one of the other bastards?
Aegon the ConquerorQuote Reply
The thing is that Tyrion’s role in book 3 is still extremely significant, as has been pointed out by the folks posting numbers of chapters per character. I think asking for less Tyrion for the next few seasons in particular just seems weird. When they start giving him more screen time for the seasons corresponding to the books in which his role is less important, I will agree with you. I just think you’re premature here.
ZackQuote Reply
Zack,
Maybe I am jumping the gun and I am no doubt in the minority when I say this but I am getting kind of annoyed at Peter Dinklage constantly dominating the screen time.
I just want to see more of the other POV storys… That’s all.
ArthurQuote Reply
First of all, there’s plenty of Gendry going on in a Storm of Swords. He’s practically glued to Arya, so I don’t see why D&D would need to add much to his story and by keeping him on screen, it would be true to the book.
His “importance” I guess would be a matter of opinion. I like to think that the bastards play major roles in GOT. You’ve got Jon, Ramsay, Lannister kids, the smoke monster was a bastard of sorts and various others who may end up being a non issue, but who’s to say at this point. As of ADWD, We’ve barely begun to sink our teeth into Mya Stone’s character.
MimsyQuote Reply
This
Pau SorianoQuote Reply
That’s just your opinion, and I disagree.
Being characterized as “boobs with lines” is a terrible thing to say about any woman, real or fictional.
sukeynaQuote Reply
sukeyna,
She is also a whore… Might be terrible to say, but it is also the truth. Sometimes the truth is a terrible thing but that doesn’t mean you need to deny it.
ArthurQuote Reply
Arthur,
Because if you count up the minutes that Tyrion has been on screen this season you will be shocked by how little it actually is. By combining the Tyrion, Sansa and Cersei storylines you can have an awful lot of Tyrion without spending too much time on his story.
As for the whole Gendry thing. I don’t think D and D are too attached to characters. as has been already pointed out between the BWB and Arya Gendry still has a lot to do without comprimising and unneccesarily expeanding his story. But as shown with the dissapearance of Ser Barristan at the end of season 1 and his reappearance in season 3 as Arstan the White, I believe David and Dan shows that they arent afraid to let characters disappear for a while. Cannot wait for the legend to make he’s reappearance.
Aegon the ConquerorQuote Reply
But again, it has nothing to do with the actress. She’s doing what the script calls for. To take your argument to the extreme, people should be ashamed of calling any underwritten role ‘underwritten,’ out of deference to the actors who take such roles. Paychecks are important, and if the role is going to be filled anyway, it’s no shame to take the check for oneself if possible.
If Ros is ‘literate tits’, it’s not because I prefer that she be that way. In fact the opposite is true. I hate that so far they haven’t asked much else of her.
I think people just hate that the role is being criticized, so they try to stifle it with accusations of bias against the actress.
ZackQuote Reply
As a fan of Baratheons I’m still hoping there’s something more in store for Gendry.
jkbQuote Reply
Zack,
And those that criticise her do so only because of the role. Nothin wrong with Esme or her acting, but I groan every time Ross makes her appearance, in exactly the same way that I want to run a spear through Joffrey everytime Jack Gleeson makes his appearance.
Aegon the ConquerorQuote Reply
sukeyna,
I agree. No one should be spoken of in such a disgusting manner.
Ours is the FuryQuote Reply
My position is that characters shouldn’t be written in such a manner…
the goal being that hopefully, things won’t continue as they have begun. If we’re afraid to speak the truth, why would things be done any differently?
ZackQuote Reply
Referring to any woman/character as just “boobs with lines” is crap. If someone doesn’t understand why, I doubt anything I say would alter the opinion.
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Arthur,
I agree with nearly everyone else, i’ll take Cersei (Lena was really amazing this year)/Tyrion over Dany/Jon any day.
D&D are not adapting book 3, they’re making the third part of the adaptation of the whole story, they don’t have to concentrate on the same character pool than Storm of Swords and can move storylines/characters where they see fit (and when it’s smarter for actor’s contracts, locations and sets usage and other business-related parameters).
On the Gendry and Ros topic, i’ll just add my voice to Varamyr Fourskins who described exactly what i think : they are windows allowing us to see/know a bit more about main characters, they’re not using screen time for their own benefit. It’s a cheaper and less confusing way than multiplying third and fourth-tier characters to obtain the same result with the added value that viewers can get attached to them (if they get past the “It’s not in the books” mentality).
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Mimsy,
Mya Stone might be the least interesting character in the entire series, for me.
I couldn’t even remember who she was, or that she even existed, after reading the books for the 3rd time. It was only when people pointed out that she was cut from Season 1 that I looked her up, and remembered her.
I’d be just fine with her falling off the edge of the Eyrie with her mules.
LexQuote Reply
1) Love the classic internet overreaction. A producer told an actor or their agent not to worry about the character being absent and that they might write something up? First, factor in that it sounds like an incredibly vague response intending to inform the actor that we won’t forget you. Next, factor in that when D&D have added to keep characters around, it really hasn’t been much (like Jaime) and he’s a much more major character than Gendry. And three, Gendry actually has plenty to do in Season 3, which is what was relevant.
2) As for Ros, two quick comments. One – crying and showing that you are scared effectively is actually one of the harder things to pull off effectively as an actor and I think Esme has done well. The person who posted her acting job has been easy doesn’t know much about acting. She’s not asked to do what, say, Dinklage is, but she’s done a fine job of giving Ros a personality in a short amount of time.
Two, to the folks that seem to think characters used to devices to reveal other characters (the hammer analogy) is some sort of cheap devise that shouldn’t be used… it’s used in every single story ever told and used by the best storytellers. You can look at Martin’s work. Shae wasn’t a real character in the books, for example (she’s much more a real person in the show). Hell, Renly isn’t a real character in the books. I’m not saying they aren’t realistic; I’m saying no good storyteller ever tried to tell the complete story of every character out in the story. This is not a valid criticism unless you think every storyteller ever sucked horribly.
AlanQuote Reply
I know you think it’s because it’s sexist. It’s not, though. I’ve called out plenty of brainless beefcake roles for guys for the same problem.
If you can admit to the fact of there being brainless beefcake males in fiction, but have a problem seeing it when the genders are switched….
ZackQuote Reply
If Gendry does take Edric Storm’s place, that would also mean more (or at least more dramatic) material for Stannis, Mel, and Davos. Otherwise, those three are in for a very uneventful season.
Maxwell JamesQuote Reply
Great storytellers, great novels, have the occasional weak character. The greatness of the one doesn’t hide the weakness of the other, nor does a weak character necessarily lessen the value of the great novel. They aren’t mutually exclusive.
If she’s so capable, let’s see them give her more to do. If she’s truly mastered one of the most difficult aspects of acting, asking for even a slightly meatier role should be something easily done.
ZackQuote Reply
Zack,
Please don’t give Ros “more to do”…
ArthurQuote Reply
LOL
What did the mules do to you?! Yeah, I don’t know what Mya’s role is, but she’s feisty so I don’t mind her.
MimsyQuote Reply
I’m kind of hoping that her moment with Varys was a sign of things to come with her where she gets to do a lot more interesting things than be an attractive wall for people to talk their devious plots at during brothel scenes. I’m not opposed to the character in the sense that I say, “she’s not from the books! off with her head!”
I just would like to hope they have new and unexpected things in store regarding where they take her.
ZackQuote Reply
Mimsy,
I’m kind of joking. She’s Robert’s daughter, so she’s automatically cool in my eyes. But I don’t find her very compelling or interesting so far. Not nearly as interesting as Edric Storm or Gendry.
Who knows, maybe she’ll kill Littlefinger.
LexQuote Reply
While Gendry taking Edric Storms place is a possibility I don’t think it’s that likely. More likely is that Shireen Baratheon will fill that role. Remember what Mel said to Stannis about betraying his family?
What they could do with Gendry after Arya is kidnapped is have him chasing after her (possibly with a few of the BB), he catches up with her but is then killed by the Hound.
Of course this depends on how important he may be in later books.
Maybe if the show needs more Incest they can develop the relationship between him and his sister Bella.
MormegilQuote Reply
I may be in the minority here but if they are truly going to make ASOS 20 hours, they will have some room to stretch their legs out. Even though it’s the longest book, they could probably cover the entire thing in like 14 episodes. Especially since they already covered the prologue and some of the Jamie/Brienne stuff. More Gendry and Arya’s is not a bad thing IMO.
dizzy_34Quote Reply
I am amazed there is only one post mentioning the most important aspect of Gendry/Joe D. as far as some of the female fans are concerned… his shirt!
UdiQuote Reply
Is it too early to start hoping for a prologue series covering the events of Robert’s Rebellion starring Joe Dempsie as Robert?
Aegon the ConquerorQuote Reply
Kill LF & save Alaynne?
Even though I’m hoping The Hound will be the one killing LF….
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Lex,
IDK, Edric is kind of limited in his portrayal as well, but it’s interesting that you find him more compelling. The fact that Mya and Edric are Baratheon’s alone makes them interesting to me, but I wonder if you see something in Edric that I’m missing.
MimsyQuote Reply
it won’t be that cut and dry of 1st half and second half of the book equaling seasons 3 and 4….theres a reason why they are already well into the 3rd book when it comes to jaime and briennes story line
HugeFloppyGutQuote Reply
I’m very surprised about people hating on Robb’s story line…i thought it was pretty good at showing how good of a person he is trying to be and follow his dads way…if they stayed true to the book, we would of only seen him for like 4 scenes the entire season.
HugeFloppyGutQuote Reply
I concur. I don’t think enough time has been spent with any of Robert’s bastards sans Gendry to say much either way. I would like to see them all in future books though!
(BTW: Is it pronounced ‘Mia’ or ‘Maya’? Both are pretty names IMO. But GRRM’s odd spellings often have a lot of wiggle room for pronunciations and the uncertainty is kind of awkward)
ZackQuote Reply
Arthur,
Tyrion has more POV’s in ‘ASOS’ than every character other than Arya and Jon. I don’t understand why you want him to take a backseat. He is by far the most popular character in the series. If you equate the amount of screen time to the number of POV’s in ‘ASOS’ then here’s how that hakes out:
Arya – 13
Jon – 12
Tyrion – 10
Jaime – 9
Sansa – 7
Catelyn – 7
Daenerys – 6
Davos - 6
Sam – 5
Bran – 4
Tyrion PimpslapQuote Reply
Zack,
I pronounce it MY-ah.
MimsyQuote Reply
A woman thinks it would be fine to see more Gendry since so many important events in the book are discovered third hand. Some of those plot lines/events could actually be spoken about amongst the cast in the various locations, and there’s plenty of story to go around. Dempsie’s blue eyes really pop when he’s got that “dirty blacksmith” look, reminds one of King Robert so much then. Season 3 will be interesting because D&D have said they will be moving books 3 and 4 content around a little so it moves more logically to the viewer, that there will be new content is actually exciting to this book reader!
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Tyrion Pimpslap,
Nice thx for that seriously. So maybe we will see a lot of Jon and Arya, that would be awesome.
I like Tyrion. Just it seems, to me anyway, he gets so much more screen time then any other POV character. Tyrion is totally fleshed out. Maybe not “take a backseat” to other characters but how about him sharing the front seat with a few other POV characters. That’s all I am saying…
ArthurQuote Reply
OT: GRRM posted a new entry on his Not a Blog using his ‘Froggy’ avatar and my heart skipped a beat in full anticipation of casting clues, but unfortunately it was something else… Really, he should avoid using Froggy if he doesn’t want to start losing fans to heart attacks!
Tar KidhoQuote Reply
A woman just saw a new video re: Dany’s Dragons:
http://tv.yahoo.com/news/game-thrones-attack-ads-parody-race-iron-throne-213620824.html Maybe I should post it on the funny thread…
Mrs. H’gharQuote Reply
Arthur,
Gendry will play a massive part still, remember that when winds comes out, if you can read that is!
AshQuote Reply
I expect to see more nude Gendry because of pervy producer. They wrote Ros as ‘boobs with lines’, and Gendry will be ‘abs with lines’ . It’s not our fault for calling it as we see it, it’s the problem of the people writing them like that ;)
Mean25Quote Reply
Ash,
“Gendry will play a massive part still, remember that when winds comes out, if you can read that is!”
Lol…
ArthurQuote Reply
yes, Joe Dempsei, I love Tom Hardy too.
This.
One would think that Dempsie will continue in season 3 and 4 because it was popular this year but more probable for me is that there will be room for Gendry easily next year (maybe not so much in season 4). Completely disappearing from season 3 and 4 is not very good idea either.
andreaQuote Reply
A lot of the conversation between Ygritte and Jon (minus some of the dick talk, but not all) is also from Jon’s first few POV chapters in ASOS – some of it transferred from Tormund to Ygritte. Nice way to condense some basic Wildling info there so they can hit the ground running with the big stuff beyond the Wall.
VeeQuote Reply
oh, I smelled Tormund there but didn´t remember the conversation with Jon.
andreaQuote Reply
Mrs. H’ghar,
Agreed. Aegon the Conquerer posted a scene depicting Gendry as a young Robert
in battle. That has a good vibe to it but it also makes me mourn the lack of pivotal
scenes with Jon and Qhorin Halfhand. Two minutes of screen time can speak volumes
when executed appropriately. Benioff and Weiss did state at last year’s Comic Con the
need to split upor extend ASOS /ACOK story lines, a young Robert may at some continuity
if not inventiveness. Did that come out right? There’s been no mention of Edric Storm
so far, maybe the popular character Gendry has dialogue with Stannis and Shireen ? Hmm
WildSeedQuote Reply
Mrs. H’ghar,
LMFAO !! Govt Bailout ! Fire and Blood, ya’ gotta mean it, it’s not Black and Yellow.
WildSeedQuote Reply
Aegon the Conqueror,
Sounds like a good idea.
WildSeedQuote Reply
In the USA a woman is beginning to see many political ads, so thought this would lighten things up a bit.
Mrs. H’gharQuote Reply
I enjoyed as a Zombie turned human Dempsie in ” the Fades ” on BBC. The actor
whom portrayed Yoren was there and Margaery too.
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Mrs. H’ghar,
I thank you my lady.
WildSeedQuote Reply
Ash,
Huh?
WildSeedQuote Reply
I’m having a really tough time understanding this post. The Red Wedding will occur in episode 9 of season 3. The hound will have at that point kidnapped Arya , perhaps in episode 7 or 8 from the brotherhood without banners. In episode 9 Arya will witness her family being murdered outside the twins gates. In episode 10 which INO will be titled “is there gold in the village” , we will see the hound face off with Polliver and hos men at the inn.
Cat of the CannalsQuote Reply
Gendry is in book 3 people. Just because he’s not a POV character that doesn’t diminish his story. He accompanies Arya to wherever she goes for the most part
Cat of the CannalsQuote Reply
OT: Kit Harrington cast as villain in animated film, How to Train Your Dragon 2.
http://www.aintitcool.com/node/56512
…for those who care…
Pastor_of_MuppetsQuote Reply
Is that for real?! OMG.. I hope that’s true. I loved How To Train Your Dragon and I’m hoping the second one is just as wonderful. Toothless! Awww!
MimsyQuote Reply
WildSeed,
Thanks, this series can run onwards long after the books are done. There’s alot of potential. Here’s to hoping it stays this popular always. Any thoughts on a yound Ned though?
Aegon the ConquerorQuote Reply
It’s not a weakness to have characters that aren’t fully fleshed out. If you tell a story where every character is fully fleshed out, you’re either straying wildly off topic all the time or are in a setting that allows for no real human outside influences (like, a desert island).
You’ve built this odd standard that every character should be well fleshed out. Why would that ever be a goal of a story. If you change it to every main character, I’m with you.
We’ve seen Ros given some fleshing out. She has a character early, even if its a bit trite. We see that she’s a person visibly upset over someone else’s child being murdered to the point of not being able to perform her job. We’ve seen her maintain her mask in the face of threats, beatings and lose whatever innocence a whore has. And now we’ll see whether she takes some steps to take her revenge. There’s motivation, and some character and soon she’ll be taking her own actions rather than listening.
To be honest, we know more about Ros than we do in the show about Varys. Until he hints at how he was cut, we really know more about Ros. Oh, Varys is more entertaining, droll and oh-he’s-in-the-book, but there’s been no real character development until about Episode 9 of season 2. But no one complains about Varys…
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As for acting, you ask “If she’s so capable, let’s see them give her more to do.” I don’t even get what you are asking?
I don’t think Esme Bianco has mastered anything, but conveying fear and sorrow in that scene with Littlefinger are two of the easier emotions to completely botch and overact. People run to “crazy” performances, but those are easy, because actors can do over the top, no problem. It’s conveying strong emotions on screen in a manner that conveys the emotion without feeling like too much (and most real actions IRL seem like too much).
Crying without melodrama can be very hard. Conveying fear without quaking or shaking can be very hard. I thought she did well. Frankly, they’ve asked for more range from her than say, Richard Madden. I’m not saying Richard Madden is a bad actor, but they haven’t asked him to take on anything remarkably difficult and nail it. (I actually think he’s done well with some pretty by the book material).
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There’s little point in arguing with you, I know. There’s clearly more to her than breasts who listen as a character. Alas, if she was named Alayaya, people would not hate her so much.
AlanQuote Reply
awesome! loved the first one.
edit: omg this thing is based on a book and there’s a whole series aaaaaaaah! guess i won’t be finishing ADWD anytime soon.
jkbQuote Reply
Alan,
Well, first, I’m not really trying to argue. It’s a conversation where we have different viewpoints, so don’t get the impression that I’m not okay with that. It would be a boring place if all we did was yell at people who had a different POV. I’m glad you put your opinion as clearly and as respectfully as you do. I hope people aren’t annoyed when I am strong-minded about a particular subject.
Anyway. When she’s jokingly called the “secret main character,” when she has these awfully convenient meetups with nearly every important character in Westeros, it kind of elevates her a bit over the standard minor prostitute role. So I think a higher standard of characterization is fair to expect. And I don’t really think “being visibly upset over someone’s child being murdered…” is a character trait. That’s how 99% of humans would feel, probably. It’s certainly convincingly acted, but I don’t call it characterization, really. That’s the case with the Joffrey scene as well.
But that brings me to another issue: your remarks as to her on-screen performance thus far seem to indicate that you believe I am dissatisfied in some manner with what Esme has brought to the show. I’d hoped that my position was more clear, that she’d done a nice job with what little she’s been asked to do, but that I find the sameness and predictability of many of her scenes (much moreso in the first season, I’ll grant) tiresome.
You make good points about Varys, but I would just say that as book readers we are (somewhat) clued-in as to what role he has to play, so the fact that he hasn’t been revealed too much on the TV series isn’t so bothersome.
You’re right about Robb not being well developed also. And I definitely do see that as a weakness in the book and TV series both.
I just don’t see why anyone would be bothered by people expressing the hope a relatively prominent character would be fleshed out.
ZackQuote Reply
Butterbumps,
Yup, they need a clearly-related-to-Robert bastard as their proof.
KGQuote Reply
Sansa kills Littlefinger. She finally learns to play the game & the student bests the teacher & nobody has to rescue “poor” Sansa anymore.
Laura T.Quote Reply
That’s my hope.
LexQuote Reply
“When you play the game of thrones lord Baelish, you win or you die, there is no middle ground” *signals Mord to push Littlefinger through moon door* – Sansa
Cat of the CannalsQuote Reply
I think some of you guys seriously need to use the spoiler tags; you’re not outright stating events, but you’re painting a pretty clear picture of what’s to come. There are still non-readers that browse this site in the off-season, i’m sure.
AndrewQuote Reply
didn’t know where to put this: http://blogs.independent.co.uk/2012/06/21/interview-with-%E2%80%98game-of-thrones%E2%80%99-star-lena-headey/
Interview with Lena Headey
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Aegon the Conqueror,
Good thought about young Ned and Robert under Jon Arryn’s authority or as young
men. Maybe they performed Rapp songs among the Weir trees. Somehow I can’t
picture Ned as a bard, perhaps he preferred to listen to crooners like Mance or that
Blue Bard. Robert knocked up all the village girls but his heir Gendry is softer spoken.
WildSeedQuote Reply
Nice! A woman thanks you for posting.
Mrs. H’gharQuote Reply
The reason Gendry drops off in exposure is because he’s not a character. He is only there to provide an aspect of Arya’s character development, her only friend ditches her, everyone else dies, her course sort of requires her to have no bonds but considering Arya is not in the show anymore, replace by some pitiful HBO doppelganger I guess it doesn’t really matter what they do with her story anymore.
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Arthur,
I do understand your point and I’m sure others feel that way.
To me though Bran, Dany and maybe even Jon (to a lessr degree) have already had MORE screen time than they deserve considering the amount of page time they had in the books. Their isolation makes it much harder to find ways to put them on the screen more than the page time they had in the books. Tyrion is involved in a number of major plots all merging together and therefore will always have more time than almost every other character.
It’s not a matter of highlighting this actor or that actor, the story needs certain actors to be on screen more than others. I cannot see why anyone would want a centrally involved character on screen less since it would mean less of the story is told.
However the opposite is true of Dany, Bran and Jon (to a lesser degree again). Bran’s story could literally almost be erased and it would not affect any other storyline in the books so far (with one exception of sam’s upcoming arc). I am not advocating that, but his story is just so minor in the books to this point, he could possibly emerge as a bigger central figure in later books, but he is not now. Dany’s arc gets more interconnected after Book IV of course as everyone moves towards Meereen, but before that her story can be condensed without affecting the overall story of the books also.
I don’t see the point in giving isolated roles more time than needed (or in the books) when there are so many interconnected stories playing out that actually do need the time to effectively tell the story of the books.That is just one of the drawbacks of having so few episodes per season….
I also disagree about Tyrion’s role in Book III. He is doing more than just mopping up after the battle. He serves as a POV to see the changes in King’s Landing post-war and its political climate, he of course has interactions with Varys that connect to the larger narrative, he has his marriage to Sansa , the trial for Joffrey’s death (including being the impetus for Red Viper vs The Mountain), he interacts with Jaime in scenes that show more of Jaime’s redemption arc, he also kills Shae and commits patricide. The last few events could come in Season 4 perhaps, but what he does in Book III alone is more than Bran does related to the overall narrative in the entirety of the saga thus far.
There are many great actors, but if some of them are in minor roles (or roles that can be condensed without losing anything vital to the larger narrative) there is little point to giving them more time.
I would argue that there was too much of Charles Dance in Season 2 honestly. I absolutely loved the scenes Tywin had with Arya, but they were repetative and they did not serve the larger story very much. They certainly did not serve to help Arya’s story like all the ommited Harrenhal scenes from the books. Great personal moments to be sure, but at the cost of the overall story and at the cost of Arya’s personal story. Perfect example of why D&D should NOT add too many more scenes to the les important players.
darquemodeQuote Reply
This.
Very well said and very accurate.
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Tar Kidho,
I fell for it too!
I was elated at seeing the froggy…… and then I started to read…..
Buzz kill! XD
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Zack,
I think I look at Ros differently than you….
I do not see her meeting up with important figures and therefore she is more important. I see her as a means of getting those important characters more screen time. Nothing more. It is less confsuing to the viewer to use a familiar face as the sounding board than to introduce random uninportant characters for Tyrion, Varys, Littlefinger or others to talk to. It also makes more sense to have them talk to Ros than random strangers since she is running one of Baelish’s brothels (that houses Tyrion’s love) and therefore is a perfect spy for Varys.
None of Ros’s scenes so far have made her important whatsoever in my eyes. She is just a conveient piece that D&D can fit into other more important character’s stoylines.
darquemodeQuote Reply
darquemode,
good to know I wasn’t the only one :)
Tar KidhoQuote Reply
pastor of muppets
also irrelevant to this thread, but Kit will also be in Silent Hill: Revelations later this year, Seventh Son (coming out next year) in which i think he might also be a villainous character and he shooting Greenland Time with Vera Varmiga after he finishes shooting GOT S3.
mags giantsbabeQuote Reply
bugger the king,
I wouldn’t say that Gendry isn’t a real character- he is, but he’s a minor one. I don’t know if GRRM has anything bigger planned for him. I don’t think he’ll be legitimized as a real contender for the throne, personally.
Ros is a different type of character- she definitely was created for exposition purposes but that doesn’t mean she didn’t contribute anything or have her own personality.
Ours is the FuryQuote Reply
I welcome more storyline for Gendry, who is one of my favorite peripheral characters.
DreamlifeQuote Reply
darquemode,
Fair enough. To me it’s awkward to have so many characters of the story be like “Oh a whore. She’s unimportant, so I can blab at her about my innermost desires, while we fuck.” Not to mention the contrivance of it being the same whore almost every time–except for Theon’s would-be salt wife?
Her purpose in the story is obvious. I’m not of the opinion that it’s executed particularly stylishly or uniquely, and I doubt I’m alone with all the buzz over the gratuitousness of the sexposition. I think that’s fine on the odd occasion, but most of the time it could be done better and come off as more natural with these characters instead talking to peers or trusted underlings–and not while sitting across from each other stoically, as people like to pretend: “Two people sitting there having a conversation is not always the best way to keep the viewer’s attention.” The only alternative doesn’t have to involve bared breasts.
So as I rarely find the scenes she appears in to be all that good, even as far as highlighting those she’s with, I hope they try something else with her and make her appearances meaningful. If Varys merely meant “Keep fucking all the main characters, but in addition, report what you hear to me” instead of something that could give a chance to actually develop Ros, wouldn’t that be a disappointment? It would to me.
ZackQuote Reply
I know this should belong with a Saturday Laugh post, but too good to not put up immediately.
http://boston.barstoolsports.com/random-thoughts/game-of-thrones-political-attack-ads/
Johnny McRaeQuote Reply
WildSeed,
Yeah no Sansa muses that they once got a singer up at Winterfell, but never often or for long. Don’t think Ned is much of a music fan. However I can see a couple of funny stories where Robert’s raging hormones drags himself and Ned into situations that turn messy. Also would love to see Robert fall in love with Lyana Stark from a distance.
Aegon the ConquerorQuote Reply
Johnny McRae,
Hahaha I think you are the third or fourth person to post the add attack. It is bloody funny though!
Aegon the ConquerorQuote Reply
Yeah, you’re not even worth my time responding to this pitiful post .
Claudiu GherganuQuote Reply
Zack,
A lot of people don’t seem to get what sexposition even means, half the blogs found that there was more sexposition in S2 than in S1 when there was only one real sexposition scene in S2 (Theon’s return on the boat) and some free (unnecessary?) boob showing. i think the majority of the people you say have problems with sexposition really have a problem with nudity or sex scenes, even if it helps the narrative (Robb/Talissa, Theon/Osha, Stannis/Mel).
We saw Ros more in S2 than in S1 but not a single one of her scene was sexposition while all of her S1 scenes were.
You seem to have more of a problem with a Ros not sexpositionning but taking more screen time than with a 100% sexpositionning Ros which kind of contradict all you have said on the topic and would point to the “She’s not in the books so i must hate her” reason.
ASOIAF FanQuote Reply
Claudiu Gherganu,
But you just did mate! I disagree with the post as well but let’s be civil.
Bugger the King – Firstly on the point that Gendry isn’t important (or a character, whatever that means?), I disagree – we have no idea about that, considering we are only two thirds of the way through the story. And considering he has a VERY legitimate claim to the throne I don’t think we can write him off.
The second point that HBO has somehow mangled the Arya character? Please. Whatever the minor deviations from the books, she has been a resounding success, and I fully recognise the Arya from the books within the HBO version.
RossQuote Reply
Maybe he’ll meet a female blacksmith in the Brotherhood. Another season of love
More Rice CooksQuote Reply
Claudiu Gherganu,
And yet, you did. Just ignore the trolls folks.
KGQuote Reply
Love it. Two hearts, welded together…
RossQuote Reply
Zack,
OH I agree.
I think D&D could find better ways to add exposition and other material from the books than random sexposition scenes… I think in Season 1 they discovered it worked early on and fell into the trap of not trying to find better ways to do it. I think they fixed that problem in Season 2 and really only used sexposition once if I recall.
I also have hopes that as the series moves on D&D will find a way to use more material from the books in the scenes created for the series. There is so much material mentioned in second hand or past tense later on that would make for a good scene for the series…. nevermind the fact there is just so much material overall in the books to select from….
darquemodeQuote Reply
ASOIAF Fan,
I don’t think that’s the case at all. A lot of the people who notice the awkwardness of the sexposition are book fans who are presumably used to Martin’s usage of sex already.
And I like the idea of a lower-class character (which can be Ros) to provide a unique perspective of what life is like for them in the midst of all the war. But it would be a shame to waste the character on naught but sex/brothel scenes.
Absolutely. I prefer my least favorite Ros scene in S2 to her best scene in S1. They’re definitely learning how to be more effective with expository stuff. There’s a ways to go before it’s perfected, but at least they seem to be heading in the right direction.
I’m on board with the rest of your post too :)
ZackQuote Reply
I don’t mind if Ros is fleshed out more, and I wouldn’t mind if she faded away.
I do think most of the Ros hate is rooted in the fact that she wasn’t in the books. I understand that does not seem to be your issue with her, but the knee-jerk reaction all over the interwebs is based on that; the standards for Ros are not applied to books characters. Whether that’s because we know about the book characters that we are mentally applying when watching or merely a revulsion of everything added, I don’t know.
I suppose the place I disagree with you personally is merely the need to flesh characters out. I guess I’m happy with where Ros is — with the little bits that have kept her from being wooden or flat. But I also don’t feel the need to know her backstory. I’m fine with her being a sounding board for Littlefinger or Varys or Theon or whomever.
We can’t hear internal dialogue, so for Season 1, characters needed a “safe” person to talk to, in order to expound on things that were hard to show. Was it elegant? No. Was the Littlefinger scene over the top? Perhaps. Did it save time? Absolutely.
In season 2, Ros was used instead of Unknown Prostitute #2 in order to create some extra empathy. It’s a good move. And now’s she’s being set up to be a plot device to reveal more of what Littlefinger and Varys are doing. That’s also nice to have a character there rather than just watching random little children.
I do like when we get little human touches on these characters, but I don’t _need_ to know Ros’ backstory or her personal desires. If they show us and it works, great, but I can live with her a bit fleshed out.
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One minor point: on the character aspect about being upset about seeing a baby killed; I agree 99% of people would react in the moment that way. But I know quite a few people who have seen some awful things, and unless it is a personal relation, they don’t dwell on it for days and weeks, unable to work, etc. There are people I know that honestly can’t sleep because a friend of theirs lost a child and I know people who say the right things but it doesn’t eat at them afterwords. It’s not like Ros is the 1%, but I’m confident in saying a lot of people would not be affected to that level.
AlanQuote Reply
On a completely unrelated to Joe Dempsie note I have been reading about The Fall, a BBC miniseries starring Gillian Anderson as a British police superintendent sent over to Belfast to hunt down a serial killer running rampant there. The show just wrapped and was shot on location and also featured the actors who play Roose Bolton and Ser Barristan Selmy….Gillian Anderson for Selyse Baratheon?
GA and Dillane would be a great bickering couple.
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If only we had a completely useless and terrible storyline involving a certain red haired hooker that could be eliminated to make room for something substantial…
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Awesome!
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Unfortunately, a small segment of the fandom are people just like that, and it does seem like the most ludicrous thing to fixate upon whether a character is from the books or not, as a measure of that character’s merit to the wholly separate television show. Hell, there are characters from the books whom I’d argue needn’t be there, or on the show either. Not every GRRM character is Jaime Lannister, the Red Viper, or Barristan the Bold.
I try to just think in terms of whether I think what any given character is doing serves a purpose vindicating its inclusion at the expense of other moments or characters. The problem with this line of thought, though, is that I am just one fan with one unimportant opinion, and they are the writers who hopefully have an idea ahead of time where they want to take these characters, so what seems like a character treading water may be an intentional slow burn with planned payoffs down the line. We are hampered not knowing the big picture the way I hope these guys do.
Generally I’d say they’ve been pretty successful with their character merges and cuts anyway.
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The Queen’s Hand,
Agreed!
ArthurQuote Reply
Claudiu Gherganu,
And yet you took the time, how come?
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Ross,
ASOIAF series, known for its happy endings and beautiful romances…wait why does that sound wrong?
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Claudiu Gherganu,
I am a fan of Ros!
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I agree with you one hundred percent. I think D and D are playing the long game on this one. They know a couple of things that even the most well read fan doesn’t including the neding to the saga. The two are way too passionate and work way too closely with GRRM to mess this up. Although there are certain things that I don’t like obvious examples Ross and the final Quorin and Jon scene, I’m choosing to trust them because I know these two realise the enormous pressure on them from the fans and so far they have been excellent. Honestly is there an overall better series on tv than Game of THrones?
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I wonder what GRRM’s plan is for Gendry…
StephenQuote Reply
Claudiu Gherganu,
For as much as it’s worth I enjoy Ros almost as much as Gendry honestly.
Gendry always took me as an incredibly underutilized character in the books (maybe more is to come in the last books) and left me rather impressionless. I think Dempsey is a capable actor (I have seen him in 3 or 4 projects), but I’ve never considered him uniquely talented really.
Esme Bianco was actually quite good in a couple of scenes this year… Good enough for me to think she is a capable actress too.
Regardless of how well they can or cannot act… both are very minor characters in the larger story (thus far at least) so I can see them compared in that sense quite easily.
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Stephen,
Me too!
Then again there are a dozen or more characters I wonder the same thing about! XD
That’s one thing I love about GRRM’s work is that he does not overplay his hand and the reader can’t always gleen where each character will end up. So many could be important down the line or simply disappear never to be heard from and it makes for a very complex and realistic world.
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I don’t know, I thought Gendry had plenty to do in the first half or 2/3 of ASOS. Huh. I just hope they make the most of Beric and the BWB while it makes sense to do so – i.e. while Arya, Gendry and Sandor are with them.
Need lots of Beric, D&D.
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I’m watching the show for clues to how GRRM will wrap it all up. I think if they beef up Gendry’s role, it’s for a good reason. I’ve always thought he will become important to the story. Also, after rereading ASOS there is a lot of sexual tension between Arya & Gendry (more so on his part) which is a little pervy since he’s quite a bit older but I’d like to see how that turns out.
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slave2thewage,
ch ch ch changes ………i wish the producers loved the story.i thought after the first season they did …..i don’t think i can watch the next season i just don’t understand the changes they’ve made
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onid66,
Just stay strong, sure there are some changes that don’t entirely make sense now, but they are playing the long game seeing an end that we don’t. Has it occured to you that maybe some things happened that George later on wished that he could change but couldn’t because the events had already been published?
There is method behind D and D’s madness, just wait and see.
Aegon the ConquerorQuote Reply
Yep. Didn’t GRRM actually say that if he could change some stuff he would? Well now he can.
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jkb,
Precisely, this is his chance. So have faithand excercise some of that patience we all learned by waiting for ADWD.
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Aegon the Conqueror,
ahahhah, pressed wrong button before i even wrote anything ;p edited now.
jkbQuote Reply
onid66,
So don’t watch. But if that’s the case, why bother even commenting? The producers clearly love the source material, as they’ve dedicated a large portion of their working career to the show thus far, so to question that is simply ignorant. They’re definitely not in it for the money, I can tell you that. Adapting these ridiculously complex novels into a television series must be an absolute nightmare, and I feel they’ve done an incredible job, changes and all. Then again, I never expected a word-for-word translation from the book, and can certainly understand why the development of the characters and the progression of the plot needed to be altered for a television audience. In conclusion, if you don’t like the show anymore, don’t watch it. I, for one, will not miss all of the miserable fucking purist complaints. *
* I have my own complaints, but they have less to do with the source material, and more to do with the show itself, which this site is dedicated to. *
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jkb,
Hahaha no figured as much, just after I had posted the ? your comment popped up. Edited mine as well.
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Aegon the Conqueror,
I have very little faith in the fact that the changes D&D have made are due to some insight they have and they are playing a long game…. I know they are aware of some broad strokes in the plot not in the books released so far, but I seriously doubt most of their changes are to better enhance the material in the futures seasons based on the books yet to be released.
Honestly I think it is less about that and more about them adapting the book to what they think will make compelling TV. Season 3 will give us a much better idea of what D&D plan on doing with the seires. If they go even further away from the books in Season 3 I thnk it is a sign of them adapting the books in their own vision more each season…. If they return to keeping more of the books intact like in Season 1 then maybe last season was a fluke.
I know GRRM says he would change some things but do you seriously think he would have a healthy Robb fall for a noble from Volantis and get married a a ceremony of The Seven? Not a chance! I seriously doubt he would change the Jon and Qhorin scenes either. I will not even begin to go into the Dany changes as there were too many plot holes to count…
I have a very hard time believing he would have made any of the major story changes this year, and I think to pretend that D&D are reworking GRRM’s work for the better in ways GRRM himself would do over now that D&D have shown him the light just sounds delusional to me.
I can see some changes GRRM would do, like having a Osha more similar to Natalie Tena’s Osha, maybe aging up the characters since he now knows he will not have a 5 year leap forward and other small changes too… Not balancing out scene time for every character and things of that nature.
Overall D&D have done quite a good job with a very complex and difficult adaptation, but I seriously doubt GRRM would use many of the changes D&D made to the story this year….
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darquemode,
Yes some are there for better television, for instance Dany’s storyline which was really boring in the books.
Some changes are for chemistry’s sake, limiting the time Jon had with Quorin so that he can spend more time with Ygritte who the audience needs to emotionally invest in more.
I don’t agree with every change. But I do know this for a fact and George has said this as well, the general faithfulness of the series to the books is because of David and Dan. Take a look at some of the other stories being adapted unto tv and see how faithful they remain, think Walking Dead, True Blood, Dexter.
I’m also not saying D&D showed him the light, more the other way around. The Robb and Talisa storyline makes sense to me. I hated not seeing RObb in the ACOK and I couldn’t for the life of me understand why on earth he had married Jeyne Westerling even with he’s strong honour. She was just too weak a character to complement the King in the North. Also the mere fact that Talisa is a foreigner makes Robb’s betrayal of the Freys so much worse. If it makes you feel better you can pretend he also married her because he had already slept with her and honor demanded it.
I know that D&D have much greater insight into the Winds of Winter and a Dream of Spring than we could have because the have the creator to consult.
Seriously man chill out, if you don’t like don’t watch it and go back to the books. It’s impossible to please everyone. Just enjoy the ride and the fact that the series can still suprise us.
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Another thing, look where the main characters ended up in the series vs the books.
Tyrion-Series: wounded and under appreciated after Blackwater. Books: the same thing
Danearys-Series: Plundering Qarth before she leaves. Books: leaving Qarth with Arstan the White aka Barristan the Bold.
Robb-Series: Marries Talisa. Books: Married to Jeyne Westerling
Jaime-Series: on his way to the Red Keep with Brienne. Books: Released by Catelyn.
Jon-Series: kills Halfhand and being taken to Mance Rayder. Books: Captured on his way to Mance Rayder.
Sam-Series: about to get f@cked by WHite Walkers. Books-on the Fist of the First Men when the Others attack.
Joffrey-Series: denounces Sansa in order to marry Margeary. Books: the same thing.
Arya- Series: Escapes Harrenhal with Jaquen’s help. Books: almost exactly the same thing.
Do you see what I see? Not much has changed, so what are you complaining about. The formual might be different but end result is the same. It’s essentially the same story with minor differences that seem to occur in history as well. For instance see the differences in the four Gospels, still the same story. Seriously relax.
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Aegon the Conqueror,
I believe I said they did quite a good job in the adaptation….I think you overlooked that little fact.
I have enjoyed the show, and think it’s one of the best on TV. That does not mean I have to like every aspect and not find fault.
My point was simply that I seriously doubt D&D have changed anything because of their knowledge of the endgame or that GRRM would change things the way they did this season. That is all.
Also, they are not “my books” and I am no book purist whatsoever. I am not posessive of them in ANY way like some people are. I have liked many of the changes, even more so last year. I understand the need to change aspects for TV…. I never said the changes were too extreme or that they should not be made at all.
Even if I did not like the Dany changes, as you wrote, they needed to tweak the story somehow. I got that. I don’t see how I should then be okay with any changes….
As for Robb it always made perfect sense to me how it transpired in the books and it makes less sense how D&D wrote his arc for the series. So we see that differently.
I found those changes bad because of how they were changed, not because they were changed in general. So it makes little difference if the changes end up in the same or similar spots as the books did. Even if they ended up in completely different spots I would not care… if the changes improved the story for TV in a logical way that fits within GRRM’s world.
Case in point, Arya. I understand completely why they have not turned into the killer she was at this point in the books. It makes perfect sense on some level…. even if I miss many of the Harrenhal scenes.
So seriously (to use your words), relax yourself. Seriously.
I was never worked up in the first place! XD
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darquemode,
My bad, I realised my mistake. I took your comment replying to my comment as a reply from onid66 who wrote “ch ch ch changes ………i wish the producers loved the story.i thought after the first season they did …..i don’t think i can watch the next season i just don’t understand the changes they’ve made”
So in my mind our entire debate had started from this point that you hated the changes so much you wanted to stop watching when it was in fact not you but someone else who said it.
I apologise for my mistake, in my defence it is 2 AM here, but that serves as no excuse. So please accept my apologies.
I again prefer Talisa over Jeyne, but that’s just my opinion. Whereas with Dany I think the idea was there, it was just poorly executed. Her story as it was in the books would not have made great tv at all and the tv Xaro Zohan Ducksauce was much better than the sexually frustrated white dude from the books. Again that’s only me.
Sorry once more for the mix up earlier.
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darquemode,
I enjoy the Ros scenes simply because of the surrounding political landscape
and it’s players that it exposes. The scenes are not only about her, she is hardly
significant. Interesting scenes with major game players ( Ros and: Pycelle ,
Littlefinger, Varys ) we are witnessing keen events here. The only time I heard
her true POV expressed was when she spoke to Theon as she exited Winterfell
on the back of a turnip cart. Since then she’s been manipulated and subservient.
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Aegon the Conqueror,
No worries.
I so understand the perils of insomnia or late night chatting/ blogging/ forums etc…
I very rarely take things personally here. Thanks for the apology though…
I agree about Xaro being better. A lot was better about Qarth in the series, but I hated the logic holes like the disappearing khalasar that reappears when needed or Pyatt Pree acknowledging that the dragons are so much more powerful with Dany in the House of the Undying… and yet he stands 2 feet in front of their fire-breathing mouths. There were more logic holes in the Qarth arc too, but it was more entertaining and dramatic than the books for the most part. Excluding the HotU which could not be duplicated on a TV budget.
I do wish they had found a way to put in the prophecies though. To me personally, the House of the Undying and the prophecies were the most important thing in the entire book for Dany. It conencted her to the bigger story beyond the battle for the Iron Throne.
You’re not alone in regards to Robb in ACok. Many people did not like the whole Jeyne and marriage situation and how it played out. Do you like the idea of a wounded man falling for the girl who nurses his wounds after he hears of his borthers’ deaths and is in dispair, or do you like that he met a girl during a war and fell for her because of who she is as a person despite the fact it goes against his honor code… neither is right or wrong – just personal taste.
Regardless of which makes more sense to who, I don’t see why they had a noble from Volantis (a land that worships R’hllor) and Robb (who worships the old gods more so than the Seven) get married in a ceremony of the Seven. It just did not make sense to me. Likewise D&D not having Robb and Catelyn find out that Bran and Rickon are “dead”. That knowledge was a major factor in his decsision to marry Jeyne and for Catelyn releasing Jaime in the books and would have fit into the series as well.
Both of those issues I have would have been very easy fixes that would have fit in with D&D’s changes and with GRRM’s constructed world.
Oh well, maybe next year when Robb and Catelyn find out it will make some sense…..
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darquemode,
Cool, thanks for being so accepting about it.
I have a feeling that the prophecies may make an appearance yet, just a hunch.
I understand your complaint about the ceremony of the Seven, but I think the descision was made from a simple logistics POV. Ok Rob and Talisa are in the Westerlands where the Faith of the Seven is dominant, a (priest, septon, what the hell do you call the Old Gods worshipper dudes?) would probably not be easily accesable down in the south, so lets have them get married by a Faith of the Seven Septon. At least that was how I understood it.
I think Catelyn and Robb will probably find out about it in the first episode, how they react to it now is anyone’s guess, although I must admit I feel a great swell of pity for the next Lannister Commander Robb faces.
If there was one thing that was left out in the series that nearly had me in tears (simply because I’ve been waiting for it since episode 8 of season) it was the omission of Ser Barristan’s surpise meeting with Dany, which I guess we’ll get early next season. Sigh he’s probably my favourite supporting character.
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Ok. So I am drunk and rewatching Ep 201. How come they only showed the comet in the first episode? I dont remember seeing it in any other episodes yet they made such a big deal about it in 201. And damn, Jorah is sexy.
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Just read the Gendry post, and read a little of how everyone was commenting on it. It’s funny how possessive and attached to fictional characters! That just shows how great this series is, and all the credit goes to George R.R. for creating such wonderful characters, big and small. I do have to say, while reading the books, I would get frustrated at times how some characters seem to disappear entirely or almost entirely. Gendry is one that I would have liked to see more of in the books (among others!) so I have no problem with it if they fill in some of the blanks. I think George R.R. gets carried away a bit, which is totally understandable, with all the characters in this series, it must be hard to stay focused on every single one. For a TV series, though, it would be hard to introduce a character who seems to be integral to the story, and then just forget about him/her the next season…. People would be wondering what happeded to them. I would not want the job of apapting these books to the small screen, but I’m glad someone is doing it because it has been really fun to watch and see how they manage it!
Bonnie BlueQuote Reply
Yes i am replying to myself. Cressen drank first!
Rygar,
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A woman thinks Jaqen is sexier than Jorah (ducks…aiiyyeeee).
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A woman is correct in judgement. But contrary to what Zack and Arthur believe, Ros is amazing. At least she knows that Kings Landing is not some bawdy house in Hayseed Hall. Smart Whore.
RygarQuote Reply
Haha, I almost replied myself to the Jorah sexy comment – just personal taste, I know, but Jorah – no way! Jaqen would win that contest no competition :)
Bonnie BlueQuote Reply
You know, Jorah in a sweaty V neck beats Jaqen in Lannister armour in my book.
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You know, I always wondered what adventures Gendry was having while he was off with the Brotherhood Without Banners.
That whole section of time in between when Arya and Gendry part ways, and when he meets up with Brienne has been a mystery.
I hope the writers/producers consult with GRRM about that…I’m sure the man behind the books had something cool in mind but didn’t include it because he had enough characters to focus on, and he wanted to leave Gendry’s fate unknown for awhile.
JohQuote Reply
Does anyone know for sure if the Dire Wolves will be bigger and completely full grown in season 3? I specifically remember one of the producers say they aren’t full grown yet but when the are they will be the size of ponies.
Hope that is true, as you all already know, I can’t wait for Bran and Summer… I also hope now that Arya and her friends are traveling in the woods she dreams of Nymeria and D&D show the TV viewers Arya is still mentally/emotionally connected and bonded with her Dire Wolf.
ArthurQuote Reply
A woman realizes that this is all a matter of personal taste, but thinks that the contest should be more fair/even…perhaps shirtless or tank-shirted Jorah versus shirtless or tank-shirted Jaqen? Make it so…anybody think they night remove their shirts for the fans’ cameras at SDCC? (LOLz) Oh a woman can wish…but realizes that this is a totally tacky request. Shame on us!
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Mrs. H’ghar,
They are both pretty good looking guys. I think Jorah would be preferred by the older women and Jagen by the younger.
Jon snow is better looking then them both. All the co-workers I know think Jon Snow is the cat’s meow. Can’t wait for his storyline in season 3.
So much to look forward to!
ArthurQuote Reply
Oh yes, a woman admits that there are so many wonderfully handsome men in the cast of all ages! Something for everyone to love, and the women are adorable as well! The casting group has done well all around, even the more minor characters are chosen with care and there are few “misses” IMO. This is an art in itself, seldom discussed elsewhere on the web.
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Mrs. H’ghar,
In all (semi) seriousness, the fact that Jorah is a good looking chap does make Dany’s disinterest a bit less believable. In the books he’s a big hairy sweaty beast of a man who sounds wholly unappealing so you kind of get it.
Anyway, really no biggie and wouldn’t change Iain Glen got anyone, he is superb (and if he had more to do I am sure he would be up for the acting awards, he is brilliant).
RossQuote Reply
A woman agrees 100%, in the book Jorah is described as balding and as more “bear-like,” for lack of a better term. Loved his “Khaleeeeesiiiiiiiii” at the HOTU, so like Marlon Brando’s “Stellllaaaaaa,” in Streetcar. Will miss Jaqen so much in S3 though!
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I couldn’t stand Jorah in the books, so maybe that is why I don’t care for his character on screen. Plus he does betray Dany…. so I never trusted him after that. But I will miss Jaqen in season three as well! I hope to see more of him. I just can’t wait til season 3 :)
Bonnie BlueQuote Reply
To be fair to Jorah, his betrayal comes very early, before he knew Dany was for real and certainly before he falls for her. And of course, he prevents it from happening. Because of that, I always find his exile by Dany quite harsh
RossQuote Reply
God bless the costume department. And now I need a little bit of time by myself.
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With a few Ros scenes, viewers have insight on info that we normally get accross multiple books with a dozen conversations involving a dozen characters (some of them lying). How do you replace that? Littlefinger won’t talk about his past/motivations to anyone if not Ros, so your only way is to do as in the books get all the info by other people, that involves a lot of scenes for the viewers to be able to see who is lying and who isn’t and to remember everything long enough to be able to piece it all together.
So you just replaced 15 min of Ros scenes (for advancing the littlefinger/Theon/Tyrion/Pycelle storylines, there is no Ros storyline yet, we’ll see how it goes next year with Varys) with 2 hours of multiple conversations to learn exactly the same thing. Wasn’t your goal to gain screen time for other storylines? So what scenes do you cut to gain 1h45 that you just lost by cutting Ros ?
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I’m just re-reading Storm of Swords, & to be fair, Gendry does have quite a few scenes still, with Arya & ‘friends’ so I guess I don’t have to be too scared by them adding more lines to him.
I wasn’t saying she ‘needs’ saving, but in MY head, I want The Hound to kick LF’s ass. But if she gets to push him out the moon door, I’m down with that
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One thing though; Sandor is no longer the hound. He is a grave digger for the faith and might not be willing to kill again
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ASOIAF Fan,
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Bladerunner style Voice over ftw! Nah, have to agree completely with you here. And she is such a lovely woman as well!
MaxQuote Reply
Arthur,
I hope not. I think the direwolves are big enough. In real life prehistoric direwolves never grew to the size of ponies
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They should split books into two and a half to three seasons. They could cover everything and give GRRM time to write the final books.
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Arthur,
excuse me? less Joffrey and Tyrion? have you even read SoS???
Sophia KorakakiQuote Reply
… did you even read the books?
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So help me, God – I would rather watch Ros’ Hooker Follies than a single scene set in Dorne.
KGQuote Reply
HERP-DERP,
I do. and I don’t even read all the comments haha
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I don’t understand why so many people are convinced this will happen, or why it’s basically assured that she’ll push him through the Moon Door.
First of all, they’re not at the Eyrie anymore. There’s no guarantee we’ll ever see them go back. Secondly, defenestration’s kind of getting old at this point: the first time it was shocking, but now it would just be lazy storytelling. Thirdly, AFFC left me with the distinct impression that Sansa is swallowing the Kool-Aid. She’s not only developed sympathy for her captor and rationalized away the bad things he’s done, she has, especially in her most recent chapter, indicated through her thoughts that she regards the two of them as a team. That to me is so much more interesting. I’d rather see them working in tandem as Sansa continues to embrace her split personality and develop her ability to deceive.
I don’t see the Hound rushing onto the scene to stage a gallant rescue either, that would be pretty lame. If he kills anybody else ever it ought to be his “brother”, but I like the idea of him completely retired from killing and seeking inner peace even more than him getting revenge.
I think Tyrion is a far better candidate for killing Littlefinger, but I’d like it even more if it was somebody that nobody ever saw coming, or if his death was totally anticlimactic (likewise I’m hoping ol’ Walder Frey just keels over from old age).
Of course, this is under the assumption that LF has to die, which I dread because he’s my favorite character and I’d rather see him live to keep pulling strings.
juanitaQuote Reply
just like the wino teacher taught her. I agree.
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To me, Sansa is by far the weakest minded female character in the whole series. Don’t mean to offend anyone if she is their favorite! I just never was sympathetic to her, she got exactly what she wanted, then realized how horrible it was. Funny, everyone else could see through the Lannisters (even Arya) except for her. She’s a little dense and I haven’t seen her get much smarter. In the show, they are making her seem like she’s getting smarter, but in the books she is too scared and naive to make any changes in her life.
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Bonnie Blue,
oh Bonnie, be careful about Sansa or don´t if you can endure what´s coming at you…because she has many fans.
I kind of agree with you: I don´t like her in the books, at all, but those feelings changed with show-Sansa (she is doing her best to stay alive and hide her terror I think. She´s suffering enough as a captive), but as you can see in my comment above, I don´t keep my hopes up for her. I think she probably has learned too much from Cersei and that could never be a good thing. Live with that fear and distrust can only hurt you (and she´s just a teen).
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Bonnie Blue,
Yeah, I’m not a big Sansa fan… mainly because she’s boring. Even her Alayne chapters in Book 4 bored the hell out of me. But she will be completely redeemed in my eyes if she kills Littlefinger.
LexQuote Reply
Lex,
I will be surprised if her character does something like that, but you never do know with this series! I like the smart characters like Cersai (even Littlefinger!) way better than the weak nice ones! They are for sure making her character on the show grow a bit… guess we will have to wait a while to find out. I sure wouldn’t mind if she was the one that gets killed off in the future… (sorry anyone who likes her!)
Bonnie BlueQuote Reply
Haha thanks for the warning! I don’t mind some backlash as long as people are cool about it! I get plenty of scorn because I love Cersai’s character and always find myself defending her!
There’s so many great characters in these books so I suppose there is someone for everyone to love and despise :)
Bonnie BlueQuote Reply
lol I often speak ill of her but I really like drunken Cersei (she gets ominous).
andreaQuote Reply
andrea,
I always think if I were in her postion and grew up like she did, I would be just like her: bitter, resentful and drunk!
Bonnie BlueQuote Reply
I’d rather see invented Gendry storylines than whatever the heck they are going to do with Ros as Varys’ spy…
BaramosQuote Reply
The Queen’s Hand,
Yes read all five, started re-reading them this week.
Aegon the ConquerorQuote Reply
Charles Dance: handsome in a gentlemanly old-school sort of way.
Iain Glen: handsome in a gentlemanly rugged sort of way.
The actor who played Jory Cassel: cute in an off-hand kind of way.
Tom (Jaqen) handsome with the quiet and strong hidden power aspect like Jon (:
mags giantsbabeQuote Reply
Arthur,
You have to be kidding. Arya and Gendry are going to be a huge part of the whole epic, and Tyrion and Cersai ARE books 2 and 3. If you don’t like the story, then stop watching because this is how the books are. This isn’t made up by the writers, it came from books. What the writers need to stop doing is making up crap. The books contains thousands of pages of stories. TV hacks don’t need to make up more garbage to add. Just counting the days until Robb Stark eats it so I can stop looking at that ginger bastard.
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