First set photo from season three
By Winter Is Coming on in Filming.

The first photo from the set of Game of Thrones season three has surfaced. Over at the NI-Wild forums, user beau posted this shot of some crew members toting Bran’s wheelbarrow laden with a stuffed Summer. This was photo was snapped yesterday in the Mourne Mountains and seems to indicate that filming has begun a week earlier than the rumored July 9th date. As we can see, they are starting the filming this season with some Bran scenes.

Winter Is Coming: So, if filming has begun, why the lack of casting news? Well first off, they won’t fill every role prior to the start of filming. They were still casting roles a month or two after filming began last year. But HBO is reluctant to confirm any casting at this time. Hopefully things change soon as there is certainly a bulk of casting that has been completed but not yet announced.


110 Comments

  1. javimgol
    Posted July 3, 2012 at 6:11 pm | Permalink

    Dead Wolf in the photo =
    SPOILER ALERT

    Red Wedding in Season 3

  2. Winter Is Coming
    Posted July 3, 2012 at 6:13 pm | Permalink

    javimgol, it’s not a dead direwolf. It’s a stuffed direwolf that serves as a stand-in on set and will later be digitally replaced.

  3. SerCountryFriedSteak
    Posted July 3, 2012 at 6:13 pm | Permalink

    Delicious stuffed Summer, better than horse meat!

  4. Macha
    Posted July 3, 2012 at 6:15 pm | Permalink

    I suppose this is one of the models the actors mentioned as having on set for the direwolves scenes. Pretty neat, though my heart jumped a bit at first. :) While the lack of official casting announcements is a bit frustrating, I’m so happy we’re getting the first set reports. They seem to be in a bit of a hurry too.

  5. Mrs. H'ghar
    Posted July 3, 2012 at 6:18 pm | Permalink

    Yay! A woman is excited to see there will be more dire wolf action in S3!!!

  6. The Rabbit
    Posted July 3, 2012 at 6:20 pm | Permalink

    Some birds tweeted about the studios in Banbridge, and in the interview with Tara Fitzgerald it was stated clearly that they were going to start filming this week, not next.
    So, not much of surprise.
    Anyway it is always nice to see BIG BAD WOLF on the set photo ;)

  7. Quinn Snake
    Posted July 3, 2012 at 6:21 pm | Permalink

    “wow first picture from the set”
    “oh shit a dead direwolf”
    seriously? XD
    ahaha.. people see spoilers everywhere! :D

  8. paylor
    Posted July 3, 2012 at 6:21 pm | Permalink

    Maybe after all the grief they were getting from the casting announcements last year, they decided to try and keep it more under wraps.

  9. Mrs. H'ghar
    Posted July 3, 2012 at 6:24 pm | Permalink

    paylor:
    Maybe after all the grief they were getting from the casting announcements last year, they decided to try and keep it more under wraps.

    Oh yes, a woman agrees it’s much easier to sneak into town if you don’t tell anybody you’re arriving!

  10. Aegon the Conqueror
    Posted July 3, 2012 at 6:27 pm | Permalink

    Mrs. H’ghar,

    Makes sense, several casting announcements was met by outrage from the fans at first. Perhaps Nina Gold is tired of having to say “I told you so” at the end of every season.

    Them starting a week earlier than anticipated can only mean good news!
    April cannot come soon enough.

  11. More Rice Cooks
    Posted July 3, 2012 at 6:28 pm | Permalink

    The dead wolf is a interest for one of the direwolves. Could be an interesting side story

  12. Superdeluxe
    Posted July 3, 2012 at 6:29 pm | Permalink

    Uhh Sarah get back to Belfast

  13. Superdeluxe
    Posted July 3, 2012 at 6:30 pm | Permalink

    Sarah hurry up and get back Belfast

  14. Arthur
    Posted July 3, 2012 at 6:31 pm | Permalink

    Winter Is Coming,

    Yeah just like last season. That stuffed wolf is there for the actors points of reference and probably will help with shadowing and stuff like footprints. It will mostly be CGIed over.

    But, maybe they are filming scenes before Bran meets the Reeds? Darn, why ain’t Sarah over there? HBO please help us!

    There is a rule that always holds true in my experience;

    “If something seems to good to be true, it usally isn’t.”

    Well if the cutey Sarah Bolger isn’t Meera, then who is?

  15. Superdeluxe
    Posted July 3, 2012 at 6:35 pm | Permalink

    I’m still holding out hope!

  16. Arthur
    Posted July 3, 2012 at 6:39 pm | Permalink

    Maybe that are just getting the sets ready to be filmed by moving all the props and figuring out The angles and all that.

    I too still hold onto hope for Sarah as Meera but things are starting to add up against it. =[

  17. Siniša Grimjaur Šiško
    Posted July 3, 2012 at 6:43 pm | Permalink

    “…no animals were hurt in making of this show…”
    Tell that to poor Robb. Oh wait… :-/

  18. Aegon the Conqueror
    Posted July 3, 2012 at 6:43 pm | Permalink

    Arthur,

    It usually isn’t to good to be true? Or it usually is?

  19. Andrew
    Posted July 3, 2012 at 6:55 pm | Permalink

    Very exciting that things are starting to really pick up! With casting announcements, What kind of outrage was there last year? I wasn’t here for that part of the whole Game of Thrones experience, so all I saw were announcements on the wiki and things like that.

  20. Mirri Maz
    Posted July 3, 2012 at 6:59 pm | Permalink

    i think they are trying to avoid what happened with Talisa last year when she was cast initially as someone called Jeyne and then when she wasn’t lots of people had a meltdown.

  21. Zack
    Posted July 3, 2012 at 7:02 pm | Permalink

    Exciting pic. I can’t wait for season 3 Bran scenes! Warging!

  22. robb17
    Posted July 3, 2012 at 7:11 pm | Permalink

    Rose Leslie as Ygritte was announced in October. so we might have to wait a few months to know who is casted. if they are doing Bran’s scenes, i hope they announce the reeds casting soon though

  23. The mighty hodor
    Posted July 3, 2012 at 7:43 pm | Permalink

    I think keeping the casting announcement underwraps is a great idea!

    It’s so annoying when fans say something will suck, but it turns out well in the end!

    I find it incredibly disrespectful when people complain about casting decisions, these guys are professionals I think they know how to do their job alot better then a bunch of rabid fanboys!

  24. Superdeluxe
    Posted July 3, 2012 at 7:46 pm | Permalink

    Dillane doesn’t look like stannis, cunnigham looks like stannis, van houten doesn’t look like melisandre, Gwendolyn Christie is to pretty to be brianne and so is ygritte

    Andrew,

  25. Joshua Taylor
    Posted July 3, 2012 at 8:21 pm | Permalink

    Superdeluxe,

    Are you joking or are you actually complaining?

    Don’t really care either way just curious :-)

  26. Joshua Taylor
    Posted July 3, 2012 at 8:22 pm | Permalink

    Superdeluxe,

    Ignore my last comment…brain is fried today.

  27. Lost Northern
    Posted July 3, 2012 at 8:38 pm | Permalink

    The only thing GoT is missing right now is PUPPIES yup I want to see more direwolf puppies.

  28. Seriano
    Posted July 3, 2012 at 8:41 pm | Permalink

    Joshua Taylor,

    Well… for me, Cunningham still looks more like Stannis than Dillane.

    But Dillane IS Stannis. So…

  29. Knurk
    Posted July 3, 2012 at 9:12 pm | Permalink

    I can’t stop thinking how awkward it must be for people to stumble upon 5 people carrying a ‘dead’ wolf along. “Nothing to see here people, we’re just on our way to a filmset!”

  30. John-Michael Lelievre
    Posted July 3, 2012 at 9:24 pm | Permalink

    Doesn’t look like filming to me, just rehearsal/set-up.

  31. LordEddardStark
    Posted July 3, 2012 at 10:54 pm | Permalink

    Yeah, filming starts July 9th, which is less than a week away, so they are probably just setting things up and prepping, not actually rolling the cameras. Although I’m really looking forward to casting announcements….

  32. Langkard
    Posted July 3, 2012 at 11:27 pm | Permalink

    There is no reason not to begin filming scenes with returning cast members, especially if the weather is cooperating and the crews and needed cast are available. If they have a good weather window, it makes sense to get some things done and hope not to get a repeat of the wind-blown nightmare that happened last year during the filming at Renly’s camp.

    If they get some shots done early which need added CGI, like stuff with Summer as the above photo shows, then even better. That gives the CGI people more time.

    Right now we’re in the long, deep breath just before all of the casting info starts coming. We’re ready to sink our teeth into some meaty casting news ; although, as usual, some of those teeth are long, pointy fangs.

  33. Mrs. H'ghar
    Posted July 3, 2012 at 11:38 pm | Permalink

    Lost Northern:
    The only thing GoT is missing right now is PUPPIES yup I want to see more direwolf puppies.

    Oooooh a woman likes this idea! Yes, let’s have a spinoff show where Grey Wind impregnates Nymeria in the woods while he’s out hunting (ok, kind of ewwww but still a possibility since litter-mates can forget each other in time), so when the RW happens Robb/Grey Wind wargs into the puppies in utero, and a new generation of warging dire-Starks are born! We could follow them around as they decide which Lannisters look tasty for a nice wolf-snack, etc. etc. etc….and eventually they all get re-united with Arya. Maybe it should be an animated show for late night like Futurama…Wargarama? The Wargs? Game of Wargs? Game of Direwolves? My Little Direwolf? My Friend Nymeria?

  34. darquemode
    Posted July 3, 2012 at 11:49 pm | Permalink

    I wonder if this was more like directors, DPs and crew plotting out scenes and shot angles and not actual filming…

    I suppose they could start earlier of course….
    Either way the time draws near (or is here)…..
    Let the filming begin (or continue)!

  35. Superdeluxe
    Posted July 4, 2012 at 12:15 am | Permalink

    Someone asked what people were complaining about last year, and that was a example :)

    Joshua Taylor:
    Superdeluxe,

    Are you joking or are you actually complaining?

    Don’t really care either way just curious :-)

  36. Varamyr Fourskins
    Posted July 4, 2012 at 12:26 am | Permalink

    Superdeluxe:
    Dillane doesn’t look like stannis,cunnigham looks like stannis,van houten doesn’t look like melisandre,Gwendolyn Christie is to pretty to be brianne and so is ygritte

    Don’t forget, perhaps the most controversial one: Nonso Anozie wasn’t albino enough to play Xaro Xhoan Daxos (which is why he was cast to play Zarozan Ducksauce instead).

    And that one was true, by the way. From my perspective, it had much more to do with the description that was actually in the books, rather than racism. But, then again, skin color is a rather touchy subject in Hollywood. So, it’s not as if I was surprised when the debate got dragged down to that level. It was inevitable, I suppose (i.e. people who read the books noticed the actor cast to play Daxos wasn’t super-pale, made mention of it, and then got called racist for it. I mean, if they cast a woman to play Ramsay, will I be called sexist if I question the decision? Keep in mind, I’m not saying a woman is incapable of playing a man’s role. I’m simply saying Ramsay has a penis in the books. In my mind, there’s a big difference between pointing out inconsistencies in the physical attributes of characters from a book on a TV show and wearing bedsheets and burning crosses, but apparently, some people don’t make that distinction).

  37. Abendstern
    Posted July 4, 2012 at 1:08 am | Permalink

    I thought the casting discussion for season two was peaceful compared to the one for the first season and pilot. The nose-gate is still mentioned by Nicolai in interviews…

  38. Pastor_of_Muppets
    Posted July 4, 2012 at 1:12 am | Permalink
  39. Mrs. H'ghar
    Posted July 4, 2012 at 2:22 am | Permalink

    Pastor_of_Muppets:
    Found this at Westeros.org – Thoros of Myr possibly cast…?

    http://asoiaf.westeros.org/index.php/topic/69746-thoros-of-myr-has-been-cast-maybe/page__pid__3354398#entry3354398

    There has been a discussion about this topic on the Speculation Roundup Thread a few posts down. A woman shall see you there…

  40. Lex
    Posted July 4, 2012 at 3:14 am | Permalink

    Pastor_of_Muppets:
    Found this at Westeros.org – Thoros of Myr possibly cast…?

    http://asoiaf.westeros.org/index.php/topic/69746-thoros-of-myr-has-been-cast-maybe/page__pid__3354398#entry3354398

    Interesting, another possible change of ethnicity. Fine with me, he kinda looks like a Thoros… but I guess they’d better make sure to cast Moqorro very dark-skinned actor, so he can still be called the Black Flame.

  41. Mrs. H'ghar
    Posted July 4, 2012 at 3:32 am | Permalink

    Lex: Interesting, another possible change of ethnicity. Fine with me, he kinda looks like a Thoros… but I guess they’d better make sure to cast Moqorro very dark-skinned actor, so he can still be called the Black Flame.

    Djimon Hansu or Seal should play Moqorro…that’s who a woman sees in her mind when reading. But this thought should really move over to the Casting Speculation Roundup Post I guess.

  42. Aegon the Conqueror
    Posted July 4, 2012 at 3:36 am | Permalink

    Think HBO is starving us for casting info to such a lenght that when the casting news eventually does come we’ll be so grateful for it we woun’t even think of complaining.

  43. Zoud
    Posted July 4, 2012 at 3:44 am | Permalink

    Don’t worry about casting announcements. I’m sure it will come out soon. Remember last year: we had Dormer as Margaery very early… and then ? Nothing for weeks.

  44. Lex
    Posted July 4, 2012 at 3:52 am | Permalink

    OT: Just got back from seeing GRRM in Seattle. Here’s my report:

    Sadly, GRRM did not sign any books. This is especially unfortunate, since I was lugging around the hardcovers in my backpack all day! Oh well, I still have my signed paperbacks. They were selling signed copies of all his books, but I already own them all, so I just ended up buying a beautiful 2013 calendar signed by GRRM. The artwork is beautiful.

    GRRM chatted a bit about the books and the HBO series, answered many questions from the audience… but the best part by far was when he read TWO chapters from The Winds of Winter! Last time I saw GRRM in 2006, he read from the recently published FEAST – chapters which I’d already read. But it was a real treat to hear two brand new chapters from TWOW, read aloud by the author himself!

    A few general highlights from his chat:
    -He confirmed that the filming in Morocco is for the Daenerys Slaver’s Bay scenes.
    -Someone asked how he felt about HBO making Renly gay… to which he replied that Renly was gay in the books. But he also confirmed the existence of “other gay characters” (plural) in the books, who are basically still in the closet because of the social stigma. I guess this could be taken as more evidence that both Connington and the Blackfish are gay.
    -He talked about the Meereenese Knot being mostly solved by adding Barristan as a POV, and how some of the Barristan chapters were previously told through Tyrion and Quentyn.
    -He talked about how much he loves the cast on the show, especially the kid actors (giving a special shout out to Jack Gleeson, who he said “is the nicest kid in the world, but now people spit at him in the streets.”)
    -Facepalm moment of the night: a girl asked him whether he has entrusted anyone to finish the series for him, in case something “happens to him” before it’s finished. This got a huge reaction from the audience (sort of an “I can’t believe she just went there!” kind of response). George responded with humor, but he was clearly annoyed. Rightly so, as it came off as pretty rude IMO. He made a joke about having her head put on a spike, and said “You’re basically asking about when I’m going to die, which is inappropriate.” He also said that if he gets hit by a bus or has a car accident, “then I’d have bigger problems than the fucking series!”. But he also said he definitely wants to finish it, and hopes the next book won’t take as long.

    And now, for those who are interested, I will summarize what I remember from the two spoiler chapters from The Winds of Winter.

    CHAPTER 1: VICTARION
    -Victarion’s ships are approaching Slaver’s Bay.
    -He chooses three random thralls (oarsmen) from his fleet to be the ones who will blow the dragon horn, once they reach the dragons. He tells them that they might die, but that they’d probably die in battle anyways, and if they survive blowing the horn he will give them wives and land and gold.
    -He asks Moqorro what he sees in the flames, Moqorro says “dragons”.
    -He has the dusky woman let out the excess blood from his burned hand; the blood is smoking. He rubs it on the dragon horn.
    -He doesn’t like to have sex before battle, so he just finger bangs his dusky woman instead.
    -He dons his full armour, from head to toe, and smoke is still rising from his hand, through the gaps of the gauntlet.
    -As they sail into Slaver’s Bay, he thinks about how he will present himself to Daenerys, covered in the blood of her enemies.

    CHAPTER 2: TYRION
    -Tyrion is playing cyvasse with Brown Ben Plumm. He trolls Kasporio the sellsword a little bit.
    -Throughout the chapter, he can hear the thump! of the catapults launching diseased corpses into Meereen.
    -As he plays cyvasse, he tries to convince Brown Ben to turn his cloak again, and go back to Daenerys. He tells him that the side with dragons will be the winning side. Brown Ben seems to want to go over to Dany, but he’s acting reluctant/cautious.
    -The chapter ends with a messenger telling them that a fleet of strange ships has just arrived in Slaver’s Bay. Their sails are black with golden krakens… but they’re flying dragon banners!

  45. Udi
    Posted July 4, 2012 at 3:56 am | Permalink

    Hodor?

  46. Aegon the Conqueror
    Posted July 4, 2012 at 4:16 am | Permalink

    Lex,

    Thanks forthe report. Enjoyed it immensely. Would’ve liked to see GRRM face when the woman asked that, although I can sympathise with her. We’ve all been to that very dark corner of our ASoIaF minds.
    The Victorian chapter sounds amazing!

  47. WildSeed
    Posted July 4, 2012 at 4:43 am | Permalink

    WoW. Tonight I will dream of Dragons, Thank You Lex :D

  48. Tomer Segal
    Posted July 4, 2012 at 4:58 am | Permalink

    Thank you Lex!

  49. Nick Larter
    Posted July 4, 2012 at 5:28 am | Permalink

    I don’t get the shock and opprobrium about this ‘if he dies before finishing it’ thing at all.

    James Joyce famously nominated James Stephens to complete Ulysses if he himself had died before completing it and frankly if it’s good enough for Joyce it ought to be good enough for anyone else.

    Making this kind of arrangement is not only prudent but also affords appropriate importance, most importantly to the author himself and the body of work and legacy he hopes to leave, but also to the readers who wait.

    A question of this kind ought to be expected by authors of a certain age and handled with the open-minded respect it deserves, not in an offended and mean-minded way.

    Props to the girl for asking and shame on everyone else.

  50. Lex
    Posted July 4, 2012 at 5:39 am | Permalink

    Nick Larter:
    A question of this kind ought to be expected by authors of a certain age and handled with the open-minded respect it deserves, not in an offended and mean-minded way.

    Props to the girl for asking and shame on everyone else.

    I disagree. Not only would it be uncomfortable and unpleasant to be reminded that you’re getting old and might die soon… especially when they bring up his weight as a factor, which is just rude (regardless of how valid it is)… but he’s heard this question sooo many times, that I can’t blame him for getting annoyed. It was just unclassy.

    I also fully disagree that he should let someone finish the series. That’s a completely personal, creative, artistic choice and I respect his decision 100%. To be honest, I’d probably rather the series remain unfinished than read someone else’s conclusion to it.

    It was also kind of annoying how many people asked for direct answers about things like Jon’s parentage, whether certain characters are really dead, what specifically altered the seasons in Westeros and what caused the magic to fade, whether the “sun rises in the west and sets in the east” refers to Quentyn Martell, and whether Howland Reed told his children about the Tower of Joy and whether we’ll hear more from him soon. I can’t believe people actually expect him to answer those type of questions (one guy actually seemed quite upset when he didn’t get a satisfactory answer). GRRM mostly just chuckled and said “Sorry, I won’t reveal that,” or “Well, that’s something for you to ponder and share your theories with your friends.” :)

  51. Kael of the Lake
    Posted July 4, 2012 at 6:10 am | Permalink

    Well, that’s indeed highly inappropriate. If Grrm gets annoyed from that kind of questions the best solution for him is to appoint a surrogate author whether he plans on letting him in or not. He’ll just pass a name and everyone will be happy.
    He practically gave the same answer to every inconvenient question either about the story or about the guarantee he will deliver. “That remains to be seen”, “Discuss it with your friends”, “Have patience to find out”.

    I’m really sorry Lex I don’t love him as much as you do but since I’m not related to him by any means, my main concern is to reach the end of the story. As for the rest (his age, health, diet, trips, vacations, home temperature and climate, writing pace) I can’t say I care. He should though.

  52. HouseLark
    Posted July 4, 2012 at 6:33 am | Permalink

    Lex:
    It was also kind of annoying how many people asked for direct answers about things like Jon’s parentage, whether certain characters are really dead, what specifically altered the seasons in Westeros and what caused the magic to fade, whether the “sun rises in the west and sets in the east” refers to Quentyn Martell, and whether Howland Reed told his children about the Tower of Joy and whether we’ll hear more from him soon. I can’t believe people actually expect him to answer those type of questions (one guy actually seemed quite upset when he didn’t get a satisfactory answer). GRRM mostly just chuckled and said “Sorry, I won’t reveal that,” or “Well, that’s something for you to ponder and share your theories with your friends.” :)

    Yeah I agree that people shouldn’t be asking GRRM to make plans for the series in the event of his death (I should think he’ll be past caring at that point) but you can’t blame people for asking him to unwrap some of these mysteries. You never know when he’ll give up an answer because what fans might think of as big mysteries he thinks of as little things, that he may even have forgotten to clear up. For instance, he was asked at a recent con the word that Brienne screamed in her final scene with Stoneheart. He revealed she’d screamed “sword!”.

    It’s all a judgement thing, he’s not going to tell you about Jon’s parents but he might tell you a bit about Howland Reed whose part in the saga may be negligible for all we know. You should always ask questions, just don’t be disappointed if you don’t get an answer.

    Oh, and for those that demand answers from GRRM, always recall Neil Gaiman: George RR Martin is not your bitch!

  53. Ross
    Posted July 4, 2012 at 6:53 am | Permalink

    Nick Larter,

    I couldn’t disagree more. It was wholly inappropriate to ask him this question and it makes me cringe that somebody did so in a public forum for ASOIAF fans. It’s wrong for two fundamental reasons:

    1) You can’t possibly get any more personal than asking someone about their own death. It’s an incredibly complex and emotive subject which everyone considers differently and you really cannot justify asking a stranger questions about their own demise. It’s just so completely and utterly tasteless.

    2) It’s just so selfish. It basically says – “I don’t care about you as a human being, I just care about what you produce. And I feel it’s my right to have that.”

    These works belong exclusively to George RR Martin, not us. It is his right to stop writing them if he pleases. We benefit from his work because he produces books which are fantastic entertainment and resonate with us for whatever reasons. And because it resonates we feel a personal attachment with them. But we don’t own them and we certainly don’t have GRRM on a leash under obligation to finish them for us or to nominate someone else to do so.

  54. blackbird7309
    Posted July 4, 2012 at 7:02 am | Permalink

    Mrs. H’ghar: Mrs. H’ghar
    Posted July 3, 2012 at 11:38 pm | Permalink

    Lost Northern:
    The only thing GoT is missing right now is PUPPIES yup I want to see more direwolf puppies.

    Oooooh a woman likes this idea! Yes, let’s have a spinoff show where Grey Wind impregnates Nymeria in the woods while he’s out hunting (ok, kind of ewwww but still a possibility since litter-mates can forget each other in time), so when the RW happens Robb/Grey Wind wargs into the puppies in utero, and a new generation of warging dire-Starks are born! We could follow them around as they decide which Lannisters look tasty for a nice wolf-snack, etc. etc. etc….and eventually they all get re-united with Arya. Maybe it should be an animated show for late night like Futurama…Wargarama? The Wargs? Game of Wargs? Game of Direwolves? My Little Direwolf? My Friend Nymeria?

    Mrs. H´ghar, I love you for this comment!
    “OMG they´re carrying a dead direwolf” -> What would you folks say if they carried a living one?
    “I want PUPPIES” -> Don´t we all love puppies and kittens?

    Lex,
    thanks a lot for your report and summary of the new chapters. Isn´t it just amazing how rude some people are? I like GRRM´s responses, he keeps cool, no matter what :)

  55. Kael of the Lake
    Posted July 4, 2012 at 7:54 am | Permalink

    Ross:

    2) It’s just so selfish.It basically says – “I don’t care about you as a human being, I just care about what you produce. And I feel it’s my right to have that.”

    And? I really feel this way. I do care about countless human beings who’s life is equally (if not more) important than Grrm’s who’s someone I haven’t even met. And he doesn’t know if I exist. So what? Does he care if I live or die? Frankly I don’t expect him to. Does he care about you? Is it disrespectful if someone demands a refund for his broken i-phone while Steve Jobs was lying on his deathbed?

    Why even compare those two different things? If you love a product should you swear loyalty to the creator? I love some songs (no pun intended) while I know that their composers are complete a-holes.

    I really can’t understand your comparison, it doesn’t make sense. Yes, not only I feel, it is definitely my right to have that.

  56. ieiazel
    Posted July 4, 2012 at 7:54 am | Permalink

    Oh, and for those that demand answers from GRRM, always recall Neil Gaiman: George RR Martin is not your bitch!

    One thing is to ask a clearly rude question (you don’t ask people about the day they will die), and another very different thing is to use Gaiman’s idiotic words everytime anyone dares criticising Martin. Stop it with the damned thing, it’s already stale.

  57. giantofstark
    Posted July 4, 2012 at 8:19 am | Permalink

    Ross:
    Nick Larter,

    2) It’s just so selfish.It basically says – “I don’t care about you as a human being, I just care about what you produce. And I feel it’s my right to have that.”

    Exactly! It says that you don’t care that they are going to die as long as you get to finish the stories you are enjoying. I want your book and your death will get in the way of that. Very crass.

  58. Claudiu Gherganu
    Posted July 4, 2012 at 8:37 am | Permalink

    ieiazel,

    This . I’m tired of hearing that especially after the abomination called ADWD people are still defending this guy to death . Just because i like his work doesn’t mean i have to worship him like a lot of people do .

  59. Macha
    Posted July 4, 2012 at 8:46 am | Permalink

    Kael of the Lake: Is it disrespectful if someone demands a refund for his broken i-phone while Steve Jobs was lying on his deathbed?
    Why even compare those two different things?

    No offense, but it’s your comparison that doesn’t make sense here.
    You’re entitled to demand a refund for your product because (presumably) you have a warranty that gives you that right, it has nothing to do with respect or basic human compassion, which was the point that was raised here. You’re arguing that respect has nothing to do with your rights as a purchaser, while completely ignoring the fact that purchasing a book/a music album is a different type of transaction, and that it implies a different social relationship with its producer. I understand that this is not the case for you, however this usually applies to a majority of fans, hence the facepalm moment that Lex was referring to.
    Take it this way, if you’d do your own book signing, would you be comfortable with people implying your only worth as a human being lies in producing a suitable end to your books? Yes, you’re not doing it for free and yes, they have invested a lot in this story (as if you haven’t!), but bringing up the topic of your own death in such a context feels to me, personally, like crossing the line a bit. It might feel perfectly fine for some of us staying here behind our computers screen, but a little empathy for a real life situation wouldn’t hurt, me thinks.

    PS:
    Lex,
    Thanks for the report, I’m glad you had the chance to participate, too bad about the autographs. From what I remember, he’s read those particular chapters before (darn it, I thought maybe he’d come up with some new material), but thanks for taking the time to tell us about it.

  60. Knurk
    Posted July 4, 2012 at 8:55 am | Permalink

    Lex,

    I do believe he read those chapters a few times before. But lol, they sound just as bad as ADWD.

  61. Ross
    Posted July 4, 2012 at 8:59 am | Permalink

    Kael of the Lake: And? I really feel this way. I do care about countless human beings who’s life is equally (if not more) important than Grrm’s who’s someone I haven’t even met. And he doesn’t know if I exist. So what? Does he care if I live or die? Frankly I don’t expect him to. Does he care about you? Is it disrespectful if someone demands a refund for his broken i-phone while Steve Jobs was lying on his deathbed?
    Why even compare those two different things? If you love a product should you swear loyalty to the creator? I love some songs (no pun intended) while I know that their composers are complete a-holes.
    I really can’t understand your comparison, it doesn’t make sense. Yes, not only I feel, it is definitely my right to have that.

    You’re missing the point. I’m not arguing for one second that just because you love a product you need to swear loyalty to the creator or take an active interest in them. I’m saying what you should NOT do, is think that because you love a product, that it’s OK to ask its creator what their plans are if they happen to die before they finish it. It’s just basic humanity, no?

  62. Knurk
    Posted July 4, 2012 at 9:11 am | Permalink

    Macha: Take it this way, if you’d do your own book signing, would you be comfortable with people implying your only worth as a human being lies in producing a suitable end to your books?

    I’d be totally honored. What more can you ask for as an author when your fans so devotedly want you to write books? I’d be more annoyed with my fans if they were asking me stuff like what my favourite football team is. Everyone is going to die and we all take precautions for what needs to happen when the moment is there. It’s not like the girl asked: “Hey fatso, did you hire Sanderson yet for when you drop dead tomorrow?” Now that would be rude.

  63. Zack
    Posted July 4, 2012 at 9:13 am | Permalink

    Thanks for all the details Lex!

    Macha,

    People baffle me sometimes. “I’ve just bought one book you wrote, and I enjoyed it, so I am entitled to the privilege of [paying for and] reading your future output. Get cracking!”

    It’s not just the rudeness of it. No doubt it’s inconsiderate to expect a person to be only a plow horse, doing one simple task until you are satisfied he’s done enough. But more than that, it just doesn’t make any sense either. There’s no basis for the statement that “He owes his fans a completed saga!” No he fucking doesn’t, get over yourself. Consider everything else he puts out a great gift to the world, but don’t get into bullshit like his ‘obligations.’

    Come on. I’d hate to think that putting out a book loved by many would lead to so many folks expecting me to basically shackle myself to a desk until I’ve satiated their insatiable desire for more material. You’d get a lot less authors starting multibook sagas if that thinking was the norm instead of the rude exception.

  64. Macha
    Posted July 4, 2012 at 9:36 am | Permalink

    Knurk: I’d be more annoyed with my fans if they were asking me stuff what my favourite football team is.

    Except hardcore fans already know he actually enjoys talking about football. :) Of course you know that already. I know it’s frustrating for all of us that don’t care about the subject, but I think it’s just common courtesy. We do it with everyone else, why not him as well?
    I’m not going to argue with this further, as this subject always tends to polarize the discussion into black or white, either you think Martin is your bitch, or you’re worshiping him to death. Not saying you did this with your response, by the way. I understand your point of view, and I already knew the moment I wrote that question that there would be people answering ‘hey, not me!’. It’s only natural, we don’t all fit in the same category, however – as shown by what Lex told us happened in Seattle – I believe the majority would have a different reaction. I could be wrong. I’m not an uber-sensitive person when it comes to myself, however I do tend to think twice before assuming others are the same way. And hey, we’re all selfish beings, it’s human nature. I was simply arguing about what social practices. On the subject of rudeness alone, I can’t say anything as I have no clue about her tone or exact words. And then we could argue about different degrees of rudeness, and so on. It’s a touchy subject, one that I usually avoid, and will continue to do so after this. :)

  65. Nick Larter
    Posted July 4, 2012 at 9:44 am | Permalink

    Ross:
    Nick Larter,

    I couldn’t disagree more.It was wholly inappropriate to ask him this question and it makes me cringe that somebody did so in a public forum for ASOIAF fans.It’s wrong for two fundamental reasons:

    1) You can’t possibly get any more personal than asking someone about their own death. It’s an incredibly complex and emotive subject which everyone considers differently and you really cannot justify asking a stranger questions about their own demise.It’s just so completely and utterly tasteless.

    2) It’s just so selfish.It basically says – “I don’t care about you as a human being, I just care about what you produce. And I feel it’s my right to have that.”

    These works belong exclusively to George RR Martin, not us.It is his right to stop writing them if he pleases.We benefit from his work because he produces books which are fantastic entertainment and resonate with us for whatever reasons.And because it resonates we feel a personal attachment with them.But we don’t own them and we certainly don’t have GRRM on a leash under obligation to finish them for us or to nominate someone else to do so.

    Re your point 1, I stand by my view that if it was good enough for Joyce it’s good enough for anyone – we’ll just have to agree to differ on this – OK?

    Re your point 2 and as I indicated clearly in what I wrote, I view satisfying the readers will as a secondary effect: I definitely don’t view it as the primary reason and I would deplore anyone who did (we’re in agreement here) – this aspect is a spin-off if you like of the primary, which is of the author showing respect for his own body work and legacy through his willing nomination a ‘finisher.’ GRRM’s prickly attitude to all this just suggests to me that he doesn’t care that much about his place at the pinnacle of fantasy and SF writing, which I find sad.

  66. ASOIAF Fan
    Posted July 4, 2012 at 9:47 am | Permalink

    Kael of the Lake: Yes, not only I feel, it is definitely my right to have that.

    How much Money did you personaly give GRRM to contract him to finish the books for you? If you didn’t give him money directly other than by buying the books then no you don’t have right to anything other than the books you already bought.
    If he wants to wait for you to die before witing the end of his story that’s HIS right, and if i was him and saw your coments i might just do so…
    He has enough money to live happily ever after without finishing his story you know, so just be glad that he is passionnate about what he does and that he’ll continue no matter what.
    I know i wouldn’t be so patient with fans like that.

  67. Kael of the Lake
    Posted July 4, 2012 at 9:49 am | Permalink

    Macha,
    In every social group, ethnicity or era if you prefer, being respectful was considered good behavior but respect itself was introduced through ethics and customs of that group. In that manner, respectful behavior is subjective, depending on education, origin, perception etc.

    I leave aside that in my culture someone has to earn respect as a person and its not granted automatically because, say, he is famous or he has an army of supporters, it requires certain actions and a proper stance in life – and I’ll try to be specific about the question in …question.
    So I also find it rude if someone asks me when I plan to die or if it’ll take long for me to abandon this world.

    But in no way I’ll be offended if someone asks me if I have plans ahead of me, if I have a will or what will happen to my family when I’m gone. These are very good questions for anyone that accepts the concept of death and attends to things beforehand. Each man must die, they say. In fact, it is more than normal actions (both planning and question), it is what everyone should know, program and inform. On the contrary, for anyone who has serious obligations (again, in my culture) is considered insulting if he thinks that he can postpone taking care of things and that’s another day waiting ahead where things can take care of themselves. That’s immature, reprehensible and socially unacceptable, no respect points for that.

    All the above can not be confused with anything like a product or even a piece of art. I tend to appraise them separately.

    Also I never said I’m “against” Lex or judge him in any way or does not understand what he meant. I understand perfectly but I don’t share the same feelings. I am against nobody, I just have to respond to things that seem illogical to me.

    Last, about warranty of a product. I feel you try to shift the product-creator relationship to a legal issue where when there is a (signed? agreed?) warranty, allows a person to separate them – but in the absence of such warranty (assuming that there is another kind of deal) you have to think of them as one? The question was as straightforward as one can be “What happens to the product” or (my approach) “I’m a journalist and my job was to find out what’s the status of the product. Nice hat by the way.”

    There is joy and there is work. Some people can even combine them. Grrm was there for a job. He went there to answer to questions, that’s why the panel was set up. There was nothing such as disrespect there nor selfishness nor a political misstep. Just a job. If he feels offended by questions involving the product of his income, he can send some representative, someone else who would not be offended by these “harsh” questions. But it’s just a job, nothing more.

  68. Knurk
    Posted July 4, 2012 at 9:49 am | Permalink

    Macha,

    good post, it all depends on one’s definition of common courtesy. In my social circle talking about eachothers death isn’t seen as something rude, but I can see why other people think it is.

    By the way: what I meant with my football comment is that I rather have people asking about ‘my’ (I’m not a writer) books than questions about me myself. I would want them to like my books, not myself per se.

  69. Macha
    Posted July 4, 2012 at 9:53 am | Permalink

    Zack: Consider everything else he puts out a great gift to the world, but don’t get into bullshit like his ‘obligations.’

    This wouldn’t be such a tricky subject if not for the money issue. ‘It’s not a gift if you have to pay for it’, ‘he’s making a ton of money based on the series so I’m not gonna feel sorry for him‘ etc. If you’re bringing up the fact that the series was his initiative as an artist, you’ll have people telling you ‘yeah but he wanted to make money out of it, so it’s still a product like any other and should be treated as such‘. I admit, I’m simplifying the (extreme) answers, but I’m not mocking them. I actually understand where some of them are coming from because it’s always hard to draw lines when talking about art, and the fact that some people are so demanding just proves how attached they are to the story.
    *I* don’t think it’s a question of rights either, but we’re so used to getting everything so quickly and easy in this age we’re living in, and then sit behind our computers and talk to a bunch of names we know nothing about, that most times we tend to overlook the human aspect of it all. Oh well, not much point in dwelling over it, I guess.

  70. Joshua Taylor
    Posted July 4, 2012 at 9:55 am | Permalink

    Lex,

    Lex it’s nice to know there are still decent human beings in this world that respect the feelings of others.

  71. Atreyu
    Posted July 4, 2012 at 10:14 am | Permalink

    When it comes to a series, I believe an author has an obligation to put forth the effort to finish the work. Had I known in 1998 what I do now, I don’t buy the books. Probably wouldn’t even borrow them. I wonder how many other long-time fans feel the same way.

    If Doc Brown stepped out of his DeLorean DMC-12 in 1998 and exclaimed, “Great Scot, Marty! It’s 2012 and Martin’s writing book 6 with one, maybe two, more to come! And Dany’s still in Mereen!” multitudes quit the books. There’d be no HBO series, no talk of the American Tolkein, no Wild Cards SyFy feature … no Atreyu.

    No. Atreyu.

  72. ieiazel
    Posted July 4, 2012 at 10:19 am | Permalink

    Zack:
    Thanks for all the details Lex!

    There’s no basis for the statement that “He owes his fans a completed saga!” No he fucking doesn’t, get over yourself. Consider everything else he puts out a great gift to the world, but don’t get into bullshit like his ‘obligations.’

    I’m sure his editors would be delighted, ’cause Martin surely signed a contract for the whole series. It’s not an obligation to his fans, but it’s common decency to treat them with respect. And in many aspects, Martin doesn’t.

    In any case, if I were a fan going to one of those cons, I would research my questions first. It seems a waste of time to ask “Who are Jon parents” knowing full well that he will never answer!

  73. Nick
    Posted July 4, 2012 at 10:24 am | Permalink

    Knurk:
    Lex,

    I do believe he read those chapters a few times before. But lol, they sound just as bad as ADWD.

    Considering that these are almost certainly (Victarion’s especially) chapters that “could” have been in ADWD, yes I think we can expect them to sound just as good as the chapters in ADWD.

  74. andrea
    Posted July 4, 2012 at 10:36 am | Permalink

    Nick Larter,

    thanks, you save me from having to write what I think.

  75. Joshua Taylor
    Posted July 4, 2012 at 10:41 am | Permalink

    Let’s save the Martin debate for IMDB and other ASOIAF forums. We are here to talk about the show. This only brings on more ugliness. Everyone by now has an entrenched opinion on this matter and there is a lot of emotions involved in it.

    These discussions go nowhere.

  76. Macha
    Posted July 4, 2012 at 10:50 am | Permalink

    Knurk: In my social circle talking about eachothers death isn’t seen as something rude, but I can see why other people think it is.

    By the way: what I meant with my football comment is that I rather have people asking about ‘my’ (I’m not a writer) books than questions about me myself. I would want them to like my books, not myself per se.

    It’s the same with my social circle as well, but that’s the thing. It’s our friends we’re talking about. We respect them, but some things that are socially acceptable in that circle might not be in another situation, so it’s always good to test the field when pushing for more, it saves awkwardness or unneeded embarrassment. It could also be a cultural thing in the end, Europeans do tend to be more direct and casual (which is good because we don’t get offended quite so easily:) ) but I think if we could help it, we should probably act with a bit more caution otherwise.
    About authors – we should also consider there is a bit of attention-seeking there, as it’s only natural, you’re putting quite a bit of yourself out there and you do care about the public opinion a lot. Writing a series this size must have also taken it’s toll on him, so maybe he welcomes discussions on different topics. Can we really blame him? We really don’t know how it is to receive tons of emails and letters that go on and on about the same things, so I’d rather not judge his choice of topics.

    Kael of the Lake,
    Ok, I understand your point of view much better now, and thanks for taking the time to clarify some things. I still cannot agree with some of the issues you brought up, like not granting someone respect until they’ve earned it – you’re right, it may be a cultural difference, I simply don’t see things like that, but it’s ok, we’ll agree to disagree. On the subject of death and preparing for it (socially and culturally), you got me, I actually wrote my thesis on a similar subject and I’d be extremely interested to discuss it further, but we may just have to postpone that until (and IF) we get a forum. *winks at WiC*
    For the moment, and on the topic at hand, I’ll just say that I simply refuse to judge someone’s attitude towards death in terms of immature or reprehensible, I feel it’s a much to delicate and intimate subject; it’s so easy to look all brave and detached when you’re not actually facing it.

    Sorry for the long off-topic everyone, let’s get back to our stuffed direwolves. :)

  77. Zack
    Posted July 4, 2012 at 10:50 am | Permalink

    Macha,

    Well said once again!

    ieiazel,

    The contracts between Martin and his publishers are actual things which were really and truly drawn up. Which stands in contrast to the wholly theoretical things existing solely in the minds of certain fans between Martin and themselves. It’s entirely reasonable for publishers to ask him to fulfill the terms (which clearly are fairly loose considering the time GRRM takes to write) especially because they are the ones who actually send him the checks.

    Fully agree with your second paragraph, as well. :)

  78. Ross
    Posted July 4, 2012 at 10:53 am | Permalink

    Nick Larter: Re your point 1, I stand by my view that if it was good enough for Joyce it’s good enough for anyone – we’ll just have to agree to differ on this – OK?
    Re your point 2 and as I indicated clearly in what I wrote, I view satisfying the readers will as a secondary effect: I definitely don’t view it as the primary reason and I would deplore anyone who did (we’re in agreement here) – this aspect is a spin-off if you like of the primary, which is of the author showing respect for his own body work and legacy through his willing nomination a ‘finisher.’ GRRM’s prickly attitude to all this just suggests to me that he doesn’t care that much about his place at the pinnacle of fantasy and SF writing, which I find sad.

    I’m not sure what makes Joyce the reference point here? Him choosing to make that decision (rather than having the question foisted upon him by fanboys) is irerelevant I think. Anyway, as you say, agree to disagree.

    I have no idea why people have this view that GRRM doesn’t care or is in any way disrespectful of his fans but the vitriol of some never ceases to astound me (this isn’t directed at you Nick Larter, just an aside).

  79. Macha
    Posted July 4, 2012 at 10:55 am | Permalink

    Knurk,

    Theon’s chapter from TWoW sounds much better, have you read it?

  80. Atreyu
    Posted July 4, 2012 at 11:15 am | Permalink

    Joshua Taylor,

    The voice of reason. You’re right, party pooper.

    Anyway, my last post is a little spoilerish and I neglected to slap some code on it. Apologies, if a mod could throw some on there, I’d appreciate it.

    Later.

  81. Pastor_of_Muppets
    Posted July 4, 2012 at 11:29 am | Permalink

    I agree with everyone saying that he just needs to finish the damn series. As for the “sense of entitlement” that that says of myself – blow it out your ass (if you’re so inclined). I don’t feel like I’m owed anything from the man, and I surely don’t owe him anything (except for partial cost of the next two books), but if I were an author I would definitely want to make sure that I finish my ‘magnum opus’ so as to leave a completed tale as my legacy. That would be what was important to me, as far as the world at large goes (which not very many people get an opportunity to make an impression upon, so he should consider himself lucky).

    OT: Glad they’ve already started filming. The more time to shoot, the better.

  82. Knurk
    Posted July 4, 2012 at 11:31 am | Permalink

    Macha: Can we really blame him? We really don’t know how it is to receive tons of emails and letters that go on and on about the same things, so I’d rather not judge his choice of topics.

    oh I wasn’t judging it, I merely gave an example that I personally rather have people asking me what I have planned for my bookseries when I die than try to dig into my personal life and hobbies and go dumpsterdiving in search for my favourite pizza.

    I still think like Kael that when the question is asked in a normal way there is nothing wrong with that. The question is on everybody’s mind and needs to be addressed. GRRM has addressed it repeatedly so for us people here on the fansites it’s like beating a dead horse. The problem lies with the the way you phrase the question and how often it has already been asked. People should get a pamphlet with a FAQ of previous readings before they enter. If was on such a reading I would probably twist it a little and ask what would happen to the Wild Cards books when he has passes away.

    Macha: Theon’s chapter from TWoW sounds much better, have you read it?

    haven’t yet. Will read it after my reread because I heard that it really should have been at the end of the book instead of being taken out.

  83. paylor
    Posted July 4, 2012 at 11:47 am | Permalink

    Kael of the Lake,

    This sounds like the thinking of a sociopath, tbh.

  84. Knurk
    Posted July 4, 2012 at 11:53 am | Permalink

    paylor,

    maybe you should read the post again where he spoke about caring about countless human beings , tbh.

  85. darquemode
    Posted July 4, 2012 at 11:56 am | Permalink

    Lex,

    Thanks for the report Lex!

    I wonder if GRRM saying Morocco will serve as Slaver’s Bay and not mentioning Dorne means we can be more secure in Dorne NOT being in Season 3?

    I cannot get a good grasp on how much of ASoS will make it into Season 3 yet and this would be a nice hint that Dorne may not be in. OF course it could mean absolutely nothing! XD

  86. darquemode
    Posted July 4, 2012 at 12:19 pm | Permalink

    My view on Question-gate…

    At an event with many people asking questions that border on the periphery of personal I can understand. Asking how he liked his beloved Giants’ and Jets’ drafts, how he is liking the married life… I can see both. While both seem to be outside of the topic of the event, I can see them being lightearted and fun questions that show a person has a legitimate interest in the man as much as the material.

    Asking him overly personal questions in front of a large audience crosses the line to me. I think one’s death plans are fairly personal and maybe can be easily discussed among friends at the pub, but asking at a public event with dozens of complete strangers in the audience?

    No thank you! I consider it poor form and quite rude. Period.

  87. ieiazel
    Posted July 4, 2012 at 1:03 pm | Permalink

    Macha:
    Knurk,

    Theon’s chapter from TWoW sounds much better, have you read it?

    It is much better, indeed :) Theon is now the best character in the series, and it’s possible that his storyline is the most entertaining to read.

  88. Sarah
    Posted July 4, 2012 at 1:47 pm | Permalink

    Superdeluxe,

    I shall hurry up to Belfast and get Nina to hire me, as I would love to play Merra (sad face knowing I won’t)

  89. Ours is the Fury
    Posted July 4, 2012 at 1:57 pm | Permalink

    Lex,

    That’s not a “change” of ethnicity. Thoros wasn’t written as white. I checked yesterday. He’s from Myr, and the Myrish are dark-haired and dark-eyed. And Thoros’s skin color was never described in the books ( that I could find) and so we can’t assume he was meant to be white.

  90. Ryan71
    Posted July 4, 2012 at 2:07 pm | Permalink

    Everytime somebody asks Martin a stupid question he has to waste a minimum of 30 seconds responding. That adds up. If he doesn’t finish the series in time, we can blame the people asking the dumb questions.

    Could you imagine if he doesn’t finish the series because he wasted so much time answering the question “what’s going to happen if you don’t finish the series”?

  91. Lex
    Posted July 4, 2012 at 3:04 pm | Permalink

    Ours is the Fury,

    Cool, thanks. I couldn’t remember much about Thoros’ description aside from his weight loss.

  92. Lex
    Posted July 4, 2012 at 3:27 pm | Permalink

    Just to clarify, when I said that the girl’s question got a ‘huge reaction’ from the audience… yes, people seemed shocked that she asked that… but the reaction was mostly uproarious laughter. It was a mix of uncomfortable shock, and hilariousness. It wasn’t like people were outraged at her or anything.

    It was also particularly funny, because the girl looked very young and sweet, and started by thanking him very politely for taking the time to come talk to us. Then she launched straight into the blunt and awkward question, which was sooo unexpected. It was really quite funny.

    George also went on to talk about Roger Zelazny who died quite young (59, I think), and discussed the matter somewhat. More than I thought he would, to be honest.

    He also talked about how he’s trying to be a “good boy” by saying no to most new requests for appearances and conventions (although he’s still attending the one’s he has already committed to) and that he’s trying to stay home more to write the novel. Honestly, what else can you really ask from the man?

  93. Superdeluxe
    Posted July 4, 2012 at 4:25 pm | Permalink

    Oh you tease :)

    Sarah:
    Superdeluxe,

    I shall hurry up to Belfast and get Nina to hire me, as I would love to play Merra (sad face knowing I won’t)

  94. Superdeluxe
    Posted July 4, 2012 at 4:29 pm | Permalink

    Speaking of possible contingency plan, I’m guessing Daniel Abraham would take over the reigns

  95. Thiago Waldhelm
    Posted July 4, 2012 at 4:46 pm | Permalink

    Lex,

    thank you so very much.

  96. Pepi
    Posted July 4, 2012 at 4:50 pm | Permalink

    Well, what that girl did wasn’t nice, but that question … I’m pretty sure a lot of us were wondering … if nothing else; who knows beside him and who to nag for spoilers. :D So she kinda took one for the team.

  97. Mrs. H'ghar
    Posted July 4, 2012 at 6:12 pm | Permalink

    Lex:… Tyrion is playing cyvasse with Brown Ben Plumm. He trolls Kasporio the sellsword a little bit.
    -Throughout the chapter, he can hear the thump! of the catapults launching diseased

    Thank you Lex for your detailed report on the event & chapters. A woman is also a bit surprised that somebody would ask GRRM such a personal/sensitive question, but what can you do? When you open up for questions, you must be amenable to whatever happens and deal with them as best you can, as GRRM did. It would irk me to be asked that question too, because it’s basically saying “You’re getting old and we’re scared you’re going to die without finishing the series” without saying that out loud. Nobody wants to be reminded that they’re getting old/er, with all the fun things aging entails.

    A handout to people in the audience with FAQs and answers might be a great idea to avoid this kind of thing, but whether people would read it and pay attention to guidelines is another story. If I were GRRM, I wouldn’t do any more public appearances until the series is finished. Then he wouldn’t have to evade all these repetitive questions that most of us know he won’t answer. As usual, somebody ruins it for everybody else.

  98. WildSeed
    Posted July 4, 2012 at 7:39 pm | Permalink

    Ours is the Fury:
    Lex,

    That’s not a “change” of ethnicity. Thoros wasn’t written as white.I checked yesterday. He’s from Myr, and the Myrish are dark-haired and dark-eyed. And Thoros’s skin color was never described in the books ( that I could find) and so we can’t assume he was meant to be white.

    Reply: Agreed. GRRM emphasized X# times the color of Thoros’s once red robes, frayed
    and pinkish. Unless specific features are mentioned like hue of hair, skin or build it
    hardly seems relevant. Most seasoned actors may morph into these roles IMHO.

  99. WildSeed
    Posted July 4, 2012 at 8:00 pm | Permalink

    Mrs. H’ghar: Thank you Lex for your detailed report on the event & chapters. A woman is also a bit surprised that somebody would ask GRRM such a personal/sensitive question, but what can you do? When you open up for questions, you must be amenable to whatever happens and deal with them as best you can, as GRRM did. It would irk me to be asked that question too, because it’s basically saying “You’re getting old and we’re scared you’re going to die without finishing the series” without saying that out loud. Nobody wants to be reminded that they’re getting old/er, with all the fun things aging entails.

    A handout to people in the audience with FAQs and answers might be a great idea to avoid this kind of thing, but whether people would read it and pay attention to guidelines is another story. If I were GRRM, I wouldn’t do any more public appearances until the series is finished. Then he wouldn’t have to evade all these repetitive questions that most of us know he won’t answer. As usual, somebody ruins it for everybody else.

    Reply : A fair amount of people ( some say Gen X’ers, some say Americans in general )
    find directness as a form of entitlement. From that POV intrusiveness is not
    perseived as an insult but inquiry. The receiver has to dismiss it as cultural
    misunderstanding and/or lack of respect. Either way it’s effects are hurtful and
    often degrading. I’m sure that he’s developed a thicker skin to such comments,
    especially ” when the fuck are you planning to release the next book ?” to being
    sadistic to “kill” off loved characters when he’s repeatedly responded that those
    chapters were heartbreaking to write. No one deserves that kind of taunting but
    this is the social environment we exist in and there’s not likely an end to it. Thank
    goodness his fame shields him a bit from the crazies even though it hurts all the
    same and most times. George loves his passionate fans though and braves these
    gatherings to continue giving back to all the reasonably sane ones in the crowd.

  100. Lex
    Posted July 4, 2012 at 8:03 pm | Permalink

    Mrs. H’ghar,

    Yeah, the crowd was very enthusiastic. Long, loud applause. I’m sure George appreciates that enough to make these appearances worth it.

  101. Mrs. H'ghar
    Posted July 4, 2012 at 10:08 pm | Permalink

    Lex:
    Mrs. H’ghar,

    Yeah, the crowd was very enthusiastic. Long, loud applause. I’m sure George appreciates that enough to make these appearances worth it.

    Despite the occasional offensive remark or question, the live events must energize GRRM to keep those many hours of solitary toiling that is required to write a masterful epic as he has and is doing with ASOIAF. A woman understands that some fans would wish GRRM stay in his house until he’s finished the whole series, but that could really drive a person crazy so it’s good to see him get out and connect with the fans.

  102. MoonCoffee
    Posted July 5, 2012 at 7:55 am | Permalink

    Lex,
    Thanks for the report! I’ve only skimmed and haven’t read the TWoW spoilers, and just want to comment that I can’t believe it’s 2012 and some people still don’t catch Renly is gay in the books. Then again, I guess not every reader read forums and fansites.

  103. 3eyes
    Posted July 5, 2012 at 1:36 pm | Permalink

    Mrs. H’ghar,

    Arya’s look and story arc in S2 had an anime feel to it. Perhaps a series, or movie in the style of Princess Mononoke?

  104. Mrs. H'ghar
    Posted July 5, 2012 at 4:17 pm | Permalink

    3eyes:
    Mrs. H’ghar,

    Arya’s look and story arc in S2 had an anime feel to it.Perhaps a series, or movie in the style of Princess Mononoke?

    A woman thinks that would be awesome!

  105. Sam
    Posted July 7, 2012 at 1:17 pm | Permalink

    I honestly feel bad for them hiking up in the Mournes, the weather here is atrocious atm.

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