Quick Hits: Director info, TCA awards, Comic Con Buzz
By Ours is the Fury on in Media, Press, Production.
  • Michelle MacLaren will be directing episodes 7 and 8 of the new season, according to Mo Ryan who spoke with the director at the TCA Awards.
  • Game of Thrones was named Program of the Year at the Television Critics Association Awards. The show was also nominated for Outstanding Achievement in Drama and Individual Achievement in Drama (Peter Dinklage), but lost in those categories to Breaking Bad and Claire Danes, respectively.
  • Kit Harington spoke with Red Carpet News about season 3, his costars, and shares his favorite character. When asked about what he’s looking forward this year on the show, Kit says:

… yeah next season is going to be an interesting one for Jon because he properly grows up. He starts learning form his mistakes and he starts turning into that leader that hopefully you’ll see him be. You know he sort of matures into a man.

  • Gwendoline Christie is featured in the autumn/winter edition of Love magazine. The Independent provides a sneak peek of the new issue.
  • The Buzz: Game of Thrones at Comic-Con is now online. We hear from Emilia Clarke, George R.R. Martin, Alfie Allen, Michelle Fairley, and Richard Madden.

Ours is the Fury: Looks like MacLaren will be directing the episode that George R.R. Martin is writing, titled “Autumn Storms.” The combination is very exciting, given MacLaren’s fantastic work on Breaking Bad.


176 Comments

  1. Robbb
    Posted July 29, 2012 at 4:28 pm | Permalink

    First

  2. Ingemar Svensson
    Posted July 29, 2012 at 4:37 pm | Permalink

    How about giving OtakuAssemble’s Larry Williams a hand by advertising his Kickstarter project http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/1912374461/totems-comic-book-miniseries-created-by-larry-will . Would be a nice gesture after the fun he gives the GOT community with his reviews.

  3. pntrlqst
    Posted July 29, 2012 at 4:38 pm | Permalink

    I wanted Michelle for the big episode and I’m positive that episode will be episode eight. /smile

  4. Hi-Fi
    Posted July 29, 2012 at 4:41 pm | Permalink

    pntrlqst,

    I think the ” big” episode will be directed by D&D themselves. But it’s just speculation, really.

  5. Watson
    Posted July 29, 2012 at 4:44 pm | Permalink

    Hi-Fi,

    David Nutter is doing 9 and 10, so if Maclaren is doing 7 and 8 it seems unlikely. D&D probably recognize that material like that deserves an experienced director.

  6. Hi-Fi
    Posted July 29, 2012 at 5:00 pm | Permalink

    Watson,

    Oh, that’s good to hear.

  7. Claudiu Gherganu
    Posted July 29, 2012 at 5:01 pm | Permalink

    Hi-Fi:
    pntrlqst,

    I think the ” big” episode will be directed by D&D themselves. But it’s just speculation, really.

    Not unless it will be before ep 7 which i find extremely unlikely .

  8. Alex Dubrovsky
    Posted July 29, 2012 at 5:04 pm | Permalink

    Great news about Michelle MacLaren directing GRRM’s episode, it should be a killer combination.

  9. Superdeluxe
    Posted July 29, 2012 at 5:05 pm | Permalink

    What is program of the year?

  10. The Instrumentalist
    Posted July 29, 2012 at 5:16 pm | Permalink

    Gwen is just too beautiful for words…

    I thought it would make sense NOT to have the big episode as the ninth, since we wouldn’t want too much of a pattern for the newbies. And isn’t it going to be the one after the “Autumn Storms”?

  11. Ser Pounce
    Posted July 29, 2012 at 5:30 pm | Permalink

    saying that Game of Thrones ‘lost’ to Breaking Bad is slightly misleading given that ‘program of the year’ is the big prize and drama was more of a consolation prize. Technically true but the connotations seem off.

  12. Ser Pounce
    Posted July 29, 2012 at 5:31 pm | Permalink

    anything can win program of the year, from a news show, comedy, variety show, olympic coverage, or drama. Basically they’re saying that Game of Thrones was the best thing on tv period

  13. Aegon the Conqueror
    Posted July 29, 2012 at 5:35 pm | Permalink

    Ser Pounce,

    Game of Thrones is the best thing on tv period!

  14. Nicolai Hansen
    Posted July 29, 2012 at 5:45 pm | Permalink

    If the Red Wedding already is episode 7 or episode 8, I hope they not rush on with the Purple Wedding in episode 9 or 10. There is much time between these two events on the show. The Purple Wedding should be in Season 4. They should do Tyrion and Sansas wedding in episode 5 of season 3.

  15. The mighty hodor
    Posted July 29, 2012 at 5:55 pm | Permalink

    Game of thrones won a award over here in Australia, I think it may of been best drama?

    It was quite an awkward moment when they won, the show didn’t have anyone to represent it, so the host accepted it for them and read out a pre written speech which only said “we will be back, watch out for ravens” followed by a smug laughter from the audience.

  16. Steelyuhas
    Posted July 29, 2012 at 5:57 pm | Permalink

    ASOS spoilers GRRM confirmed in an interview at SDCC that ep 7 does not have the RW. I guess 8 is possible, but I would be shocked if it wasn’t in ep 9. (Although I’d much much rather have MacLaren direct it than Nutter)

  17. David
    Posted July 29, 2012 at 6:29 pm | Permalink

    Nicolai Hansen,

    Rumor is that Jack Gleeson wants to get out of acting, so I would not be surprised to see his wedding occur this season. I think episode 10 works, so it can actually end the season with a win for the “good guys”

  18. Al Swearengen
    Posted July 29, 2012 at 6:57 pm | Permalink

    Poor Kit, he knows nothing about what Ygritte’s going to do to him on their march to the wall :-)

  19. WildSeed
    Posted July 29, 2012 at 6:59 pm | Permalink

    Great news about GoT being recognized as a great programme.I hope the episodes
    keep improving because the story that evolves is second to none. I am an avid fan
    of ” Homeland” and I agree with the acknowledgement of a stellar cast and storyline
    yet Game of Thrones is so riveting there’s little competition ( okay I’m a bit biased ). At
    least “TrueBlood” is a show we don’t lose out to, that would be sad. Is “Breaking Bad”
    really as good as some say? I ‘ve only seen previews and I’m not impressed enough
    to watch. Besides, there’s a ” Dr Who” marathon going on now. I can hear the Darleks
    saying ” EXTERMINATE !”

  20. spacechampion
    Posted July 29, 2012 at 7:11 pm | Permalink

    I’m sure they’ve had the script reading already, so they all know the whole season already.

    Al Swearengen:
    Poor Kit, he knows nothing about what Ygritte’s going to do to him on their march to the wall :-)

  21. Al Swearengen
    Posted July 29, 2012 at 7:38 pm | Permalink

    spacechampion,

    Erm I am talking about a couple scenes from Jon’s chapters in ASOS.

  22. Aegon the Conqueror
    Posted July 29, 2012 at 7:39 pm | Permalink

    spacechampion:
    I’m sure they’ve had the script reading already, so they all know the whole season already.

    Facepalm! Have you read the books?

  23. JamesL
    Posted July 29, 2012 at 7:40 pm | Permalink

    Nicolai Hansen,

    No, the purple wedding needs to be in season 3 in order for it to be successful. It is the only logical ending place that would make for a fulfilling season. You can’t just stop in the middle of the story and that event works perfect as a season finale with great cliffhangers like Tyrion being arrested and Sansas escape. Tyrion trial, Littlefinger and Sansa at the Eyrie, and the war at the Wall will be saved for season 4. David and Dan never meant that it would take 2 full seasons to cover Storm of Swords just that they couldn’t do the whole book in one season. The only reason they would not have the Purple Wedding in season 3 is because they decided to drag out the story and sacrifice the quality of the show in order to give GRRM Martin more time to write the books.

  24. Aegon the Conqueror
    Posted July 29, 2012 at 7:41 pm | Permalink

    Al Swearengen,

    Poor Kit? Have you seen Rose Leslie? And he’s getting paid to get those things done to him. Rather say lucky bastard Kit!

  25. Jambo
    Posted July 29, 2012 at 7:47 pm | Permalink

    WildSeed:
    Is “Breaking Bad”really as good as some say? I ‘ve only seen previews and I’m not impressed enough to watch.

    Yes, it’s fantastic. Really does deserve all the praise and awards it gets.

  26. Tomer Segal
    Posted July 29, 2012 at 7:48 pm | Permalink

    Book 3 spoilers- beware!!

    I really thought they would delay RW to keep interesting characters in the series for another season, but I just made the connection between the RW and “Autmun Storms”- all of the rains.. the connection all of a sudden seems obvious to me, what do you guys think?

  27. Ser Pounce
    Posted July 29, 2012 at 7:54 pm | Permalink

    WildSeed,

    Breaking Bad is amazing. The director Game of Thrones is getting directed at least one of the best episodes of Breaking Bad and possibly more of them

  28. Aegon the Conqueror
    Posted July 29, 2012 at 8:33 pm | Permalink

    Tomer Segal,
    This has actually been discussed at some lenght, episode 8 will probably be the RW with the series ending on the Purple Wedding. THis will leave season 3 on a nice cliffhanger.

  29. MRR
    Posted July 29, 2012 at 8:48 pm | Permalink

    No, the purple wedding needs to be in season 3 in order for it to be successful. It is the only logical ending place that would make for a fulfilling season.

    People really like to abuse the word “logical” sometimes…

    No, that’s not the only place the season could end, and I think we should keep an open mind about how they decide to do things. Thinking “they must do it this way or things will fail” is just a way to set yourself up for disappointment.

    David Nutter directed some of the most terrifying and tragic moments of season 2: Theon’s execution of Rodrik Cassel, the riot at King’s Landing, Arya’s moment of panic at potentially being recognized by Littlefinger at Harrenhal, the burnt corpses of “Bran” and “Rickon”, etc. Who better to direct the Red Wedding episode? This would place the RW near the end of season 3, which many of us expected anyway, and would leave less room for Joffrey’s wedding in the same season. Joffrey’s death might make a good cliffhanger, but that might not leave very much material for season 4. It could work at the end of season 3, or it could work as an early/mid season 4 moment in much the same way that Theon’s capture of Winterfell happened mid-way through the season and set many things in action for the rest of the season.

    That’s just my two cents’ worth, but I think it could go either way. So unless you’re going to bust out some truth tables on me and hit me up with your Modus Tollendo Ponens, I’ll agree that it might be a reasonable choice to include Joffrey’s death in s3, but it’s far from the only “logical” way to do things.

  30. MRR
    Posted July 29, 2012 at 8:51 pm | Permalink

    Tomer Segal,

    Characters describe heavy rainfall (and the resultant flooding) throughout the whole book. It’s not something particularly relevant to the Red Wedding.

    Aegon the Conqueror,

    You might want to try some spoiler tags in your post next time.

  31. Aegon the Conqueror
    Posted July 29, 2012 at 8:52 pm | Permalink

    MRR,

    I think the fact that Jack GLeeson wants out of acting might speed up his death to season 3.

  32. Aegon the Conqueror
    Posted July 29, 2012 at 8:53 pm | Permalink

    MRR,

    Sorry, I tried to add them several times, but pc kept on freezing, in the end the timer ran out. Hopefully the moderators will catch it.

  33. Pastor_of_Muppets
    Posted July 29, 2012 at 8:57 pm | Permalink

    JamesL:
    Nicolai Hansen,

    No, the purple wedding needs to be in season 3 in order for it to be successful. It is the only logical ending place that would make for a fulfilling season. You can’t just stop in the middle of the story and that event works perfect as a season finale with great cliffhangers like Tyrion being arrested and Sansas escape. Tyrion trial, Littlefinger and Sansa at the Eyrie, and the war at the Wall will be saved for season 4. David and Dan never meant that it would take 2 full seasons to cover Storm of Swords just that they couldn’t do the whole book in one season. The only reason they would not have the Purple Wedding in season 3 is because they decided to drag out the story and sacrifice the quality of the show in order to give GRRM Martin more time to write the books.

    I don’t really think the Purple Wedding absolutely has to be in season three for it to be “successful”. I don’t disagree that it would make a good ending for the season, but in terms of the larger story being told, I don’t think it’s an ideal place to end season three.

    For one, that means that season four is left at a major disadvantage from a narrative stand-point. ASoS has, for my money, the best story line endings out of any of the novels released thus far. So do you discard those natural endings in place of taking the story into AFfC & ADwD territory? Where do the story threads for each of the characters end in that case? The alternative, then, would be to stretch out the back half of the book into a full season, which is the same thing you’re arguing against in your post (or maybe I just took it as such).

    I’d imagine we’ll see the chronologically relevant material from AFfC & ADwD (incorporating the Dornish and the Iron Islands story lines), but the season will end roughly where ASoS ends. At least that’s what I’m hoping, anyway.

    Besides, there is quite a bit more story for the first half of ASoS than there was in the book, even. We’ll be visiting Riverrun, where we’ll meet new characters. The Reed siblings will be introduced and developed, and we’ll be seeing Theon and Ramsay, as well. That’s in addition to all of the new characters introduced in ASoS.

    And, in my opinion, the Purple Wedding doesn’t really ‘make up’ for the prior one. I’m on my phone, which for some reason doesn’t let me spoiler tag anything, so I won’t get too detailed, but the event that ‘made up’ for the R.W. happened near the end of the book, in my opinion.

    That does, however, create a different problem: Where, then, do you end it? I don’t really have a great answer for that, but I’m thinking we’ll be getting a greater focus on both Jon and Dany this season, so the answer could lie with one of their story lines. ASoS contains what is easily the best material G.R.R.M. has written for either character, and since those two had the most problematic adaptation issues in season two, I can see D&D wanting to rectify that by giving them a much larger focus. I guess the answer may be to feature King’s Landing significantly less in the third season, to allow the other threads the time they need to have the greatest impact possible. That way, the Purple Wedding acts more as a jumping off point for the story than an ending to one (which it really isn’t, in the first place).

    Either way, we’ll see how it all works out eventually, but the real challenge of this adaptation will be from season four onward.

  34. Lex
    Posted July 29, 2012 at 9:40 pm | Permalink

    The Jon bit sounds hopeful. The writers have done him a disservice so far, but it’s not too late to fix it. Season 3 absolutely NEEDS a strong arc for Jon.

  35. tysnow
    Posted July 29, 2012 at 9:40 pm | Permalink

    Personally, I don’t believe PW will be in season 3, as SoS was 82 chapters and PW was in chapter 61, more than 2/3 the way through the narrative. The RW was in chapter 52 or past the half way point, technically D&D could stretch the RW into season 4 by the book, but it would be a negative dramatic impact. Therefore RW at the end of season 3 would be appropriate, but to throw PW in the last episode even though it is 10 chapters past RW would be negative to the events of SoS, therefore PW will probably be placed near the midway point of season 4, There is plenty of material to move ahead of PW without harming the narrative.

  36. WildSeed
    Posted July 29, 2012 at 9:53 pm | Permalink

    Aegon the Conqueror:
    MRR,

    Sorry, I tried to add them several times, but pc kept on freezing, in the end the timer ran out. Hopefully the moderators will catch it.

    WiC does. I do make an effort to write in non specific terms of a scene or plot and it
    seems to meet the criteria of “spoiler free” but not always. I hate the black bars as
    they mark you for giving away some political secret or something. The rare times
    a bar has appeared on my post I’ve been surprised as I may be referencing the prose
    of the Blog or responding to another poster. I admire WiC trying in earnest to make
    the site friendly to non readers and GoT fans, 2 years ago I’d never heard of ASOIAF.
    However I’ve read other book series and stayed away from Blogs until I felt comfortable
    by my progress that other perspectives may mirror some questions or concerns I may
    have. The common rule is if you’ve read too many Blog post that spoil your appetite
    then shame on the reader. Know thyself. I am very much in agreement that Blogs
    need disclaimers as a warning, protecting some while the majority of us can rant
    on within reason and have a blast doing so. A few other sites goes
    by this warning ‘ If you haven’t read ASOIAF I don’t know what you’re doing here.
    I like that, duly warned. Take the pink pill and enter all discussion, freely offered or
    stop while you’re ahead if you’re easily spoiled. Since I hate spoilers, I simply stayed
    away until the appropriate time. Most people do come back. Both sides have to be fair.

  37. WildSeed
    Posted July 29, 2012 at 9:59 pm | Permalink

    Ser Pounce:
    WildSeed,

    Breaking Bad is amazing. The director Game of Thrones is getting directed at least one of the best episodes of Breaking Bad and possibly more of them

    Perhaps I’ll make an effort to watch. I dismissed it based on a cable commercial and
    it seemed a clone of so many similar shows. Your enthusiasm peaked my curiosity .

  38. RJ
    Posted July 29, 2012 at 10:06 pm | Permalink

    The RW seems to be happening a lot sooner than I thought. I could have sworn that would have been Season 4.

    If that’s the case, I wouldn’t be surprised if they ended the season with Lady Stoneheart.

    It has to be that or something with Dany. But, yeah, that would be quite the shocker for non-book readers and a great start for that specific characters arc next season.

  39. Lex
    Posted July 29, 2012 at 10:08 pm | Permalink

    WildSeed: Perhaps I’ll make an effort to watch.I dismissed it based on a cable commercial and
    it seemed a clone of so many similar shows. Your enthusiasm peaked my curiosity .

    Breaking Bad is definitely one of the best, and most original, shows I’ve ever watched.

  40. Watson
    Posted July 29, 2012 at 10:14 pm | Permalink

    RJ,

    Actually, yeah, I just realized that dispensing with POV’s means the last scene could be Cat’s “resurrection”. Bonus points if a certain Direwolf is shown watching from the woods. And super bonus points if a “modified” corpse also appears in the scene. Okay maybe that would be a bit too bonkers, but that probably just makes it more likely.

  41. Heisenberg
    Posted July 29, 2012 at 10:41 pm | Permalink

    Correct me if I’m wrong, but hasn’t it already been said S3 will cover the first half of ASoS? RW happens, roughly, halfway through the book. So I’m guessing it’s either episode 9 or 10.

  42. WompWomp
    Posted July 29, 2012 at 10:58 pm | Permalink

    WildSeed: Perhaps I’ll make an effort to watch.I dismissed it based on a cable commercial and
    it seemed a clone of so many similar shows. Your enthusiasm peaked my curiosity .

    Whoa, you couldn’t be more wrong, and once you watch it, I think you’ll be glad you were! :D

    I’ve said this regarding the difficult task of GOT’s adaptation from GRRM’s novels, but Breaking Bad is remarkable for being an original story conceived for television from the start. The result is a story told to the fullest strengths of its native medium, and it’s simply awesome to behold. There’s a lot of lack of creativity going around in stateside programming, as you seem to know, but Breaking Bad is an example of the extreme opposite. I love GOT, but unlike the GOT show, there isn’t a moment where Bad seems to shift uneasily in its own skin. It is in its element at all times.

  43. Mrs. H'ghar
    Posted July 29, 2012 at 11:11 pm | Permalink

    A woman is very happy GoT has another award! And Daaaaaayyyyyyuuuuuummmm, that photo of Gwendoline is AMAZEBALLS! Big ups to the photographer & Ms. Christie!

  44. mags giantsbabe
    Posted July 29, 2012 at 11:11 pm | Permalink

    Heisenberg

    Yes, it is known. At least, that’s how I also understand it. But I agree and hope with others that we will see stuff that was left out of S2 because of time constraints, and then also some important things that happens in the second part of book 3, such as RW, however, I don’t think that means all the character arcs will be pushed forward.

    If Kit can attend public events, it means his foot is doing better. Or his walking on crutches (: Then he will probably be able to film more or less normally.

  45. DavosFTW!
    Posted July 29, 2012 at 11:26 pm | Permalink

    I wish so many of these threads didn’t just devolve into endless and pointless speculation on when the RW and PW will take place. We really don’t need to know and this endless speculation and argument isn’t achieving anything. Unless you’ve gone through and meticulously scripted the book yourself, none of you can say catagorically that this MUST go here and that that MUST go here.

    I’m getting sick of reading that sort of thing. I’d like to read more about the awards the show wins, the experiences of the cast and crew. The thoughts of the extras (what they’re allowed to tell that is). Relax about the show you can’t control it. When you watch them you’ll see where they put what.

  46. Game Of Thongs
    Posted July 29, 2012 at 11:37 pm | Permalink

    WildSeed,

    Don’t get your hopes up too high though.

    While I really enjoyed Walter’s handling of fucked up situations and even the one to one conversations at times, the show wasn’t as good as I thought it would be, partly because I had very high expectations based on the things people said to me before I watched it. Don’t make the same mistake I did.

    I thought it would be one “edge on your seat” episode followed by another the entire season, but in reality, its only like that in the first few and last few episodes of a season. Nothing much happens in the middle episodes. (I’ve watched every single episode released so far)

    I thought Breaking Bad was fantastic, but its not the second coming of Jesus like some people say. Game of Thrones is certainly better in my eyes, but thats just my opinion.

    I think what appeals to most people about Breaking Bad is its unorthodox story, given what its about. In that light, I suppose it is definitely better than all the other horribly bad TV shows that plague American TV :D

  47. darquemode
    Posted July 29, 2012 at 11:49 pm | Permalink

    tysnow,

    I agree completely with you.
    There is no way I would put PW in Season 3 and if I had my way RW would not make it into Season 3 either. There are so many natural break points midway through ASoS, so natural that when divided into two books as it is in the UK both books feel like stand alone novels – Not two halves of one book.

    There are a number of other benefits too.
    It gives GRRM more time to write his upcoming books if ASoS makes for 2 full seasons (after adding in material from ACoK into Season 3 and material from AFfC into Season 4).

    Having the ability to split a larger book into 2 seasons with “about half in each season” allows them to actually allow for character development in some of the overlooked arcs. Getting into Jon Snow’s arc is essential as he has been overlooked so far, as has Bran, and Sansa really. Honestly every arc felt rushed to me last season (other than maybe Dany’s) and letting the story breath will only enhance the series.

    Having the RW in the beginning of Season 4 would break the pattern of having the big event of each season be in Episode 9. Keeping the pacing fresh is essntial to good storytelling in my mind. If it becomes routine to build for 3 episodes, then hit the real story in Episode 4, and build to the climax in Episode 9 the story loses much of its power to me as it becomes predictable.

    It also breaks the pattern, if only for one season, of building a character up only to bring them down at the end of the same season. In Season 1 Ned was in focus and then gone, Season 2 had Theon establishing himself and then knocked down and out at season’s end. If the RW is included in Season 3 we will go through the same process again with Robb.

    Keeping the RW in Season 4 allows the focus to shift to other regions for the first time. King’s Landing has always been the focus of the series and always will have a huge ammount of time spent there as it is the literal seat of power. One season with a slower moving KL arc gives the viewer time to see that there is much more at play than just the battle for the Iron Throne. D&D can get into the prophecy around Dany, Jon, Stannis and Bran’s arc. It allows them to show the more mystical side of the saga as a focus for the first time. Different regions of the realm, but all relating to the same larger story than just the Iron Throne.

    All that said, with Episode 7 being titled ‘Autumn Storms’ I think the RW will indeed be in Season 3.

  48. KS
    Posted July 30, 2012 at 12:50 am | Permalink

    I doubt that the fact that Jack wants out of acting will factor into the show writing. These actors, I’m sure, had to sign fairly hefty contracts for multiple seasons. I doubt HBO would let one of its younger cast members dictate the arc of its incredibly expensive show. I would buy they are juggling the filming schedule to accommodate him and his studies the best, but to hasten his death because he wants to quit acting? Nope.

  49. Florencia
    Posted July 30, 2012 at 1:43 am | Permalink

    Watson,

    Sorry but whose Direwolf you mean?

  50. Alan
    Posted July 30, 2012 at 2:05 am | Permalink

    Breaking Bad is awesome. Some posters here seem to think it’s perfect. It’s not, and it can be a change tone abruptly and if you thought GoT ever moved slow, Breaking Bad is going to annoy you at times.

    That said, it’s one of the best TV shows ever made, and shouldn’t be missed.

    Also, if you think American-made television doesn’t have anything good on it, you’re not watching the right stuff.

  51. Mrs. H'ghar
    Posted July 30, 2012 at 2:56 am | Permalink

    darquemode:
    tysnow,

    I agree completely with you.
    There is no way I would put PW in Season 3 and if I had my way RW would not make it into Season 3 either. There are so many natural break points midway through ASoS, so natural that when divided into two books as it is in the UK both books feel like stand alone novels – Not two halves of one book.

    As a woman bought the e-book and is from the US, would you be so kind as to look at your Part 1 ASOS and share with us which Chapter ended that book? And what was going on in that chapter (refresh our memory please)? Not that it will have an impact on the show-writers, but it might give us a hint as to what GRRM considers to be the “first half” of ASOS.

    Also, it wouldn’t be impossible for D&D to film the PW this season to let Jack Gleeson go back to school without interruption and save it for the next season if they decide they want to right? Speculation is fruitless, but it does help to pass the time while waiting for next season!

  52. KasKas
    Posted July 30, 2012 at 4:12 am | Permalink

    Mrs. H’ghar,

    I’ve just opened the first half of ASoS (in polish, but I believe it ends in the same place as UK one).

    The ending of the last chapter is Arya’s, when she escapes BwB and the Hound catches her. Before that is Dany and her Yunkish entrance, with every slave calling her “Mother”. And third from the end is Jon on the Gift when Summer rescues him from wildlings he was with.

  53. Aegon the Conqueror
    Posted July 30, 2012 at 4:14 am | Permalink

    Florencia:
    Watson,

    Sorry but whose Direwolf you mean?

    Arya’s remember ran away after Arya threw it with stones. I can’t remember if they refferenced it in the series but in aCoK you hear about a monstrous direwolf leading a pack of wolves and terrorising the riverlands.

  54. Pouria Molavi
    Posted July 30, 2012 at 4:29 am | Permalink

    Kit sounds so different from Jon in that interview, almost thinking it’s fake hehe.

    Re Breaking Bad, it’s great, but it sort of derails after season 4 I think. It’s just gone on a bit too long.

    And I have to agree with people saying RW will be in Season 3 and PW in Season 4, only way it can work, you need to give the audience room to breath before another shocker.

    /P

  55. Game Of Thongs
    Posted July 30, 2012 at 4:31 am | Permalink

    Alan,

    You have got to agree that vast majority of it is horse droppings… Shows like Walking Dead for example make me angry at humanity because people actually think its great.

    There are a few gems here and there like Boardwalk Empire, Community and ofcourse Breaking Bad. I never said everything was horrible…

  56. Watson
    Posted July 30, 2012 at 4:40 am | Permalink

    Florencia,

    A blind girl’s. In the book she has a wolf dream in which she sees the corpse in the river.

  57. Aegon the Conqueror
    Posted July 30, 2012 at 5:21 am | Permalink

    Mags Giantbabe

    When you eventually show up, don’t wanna lose the conversation again. My response is on the North Remembers July post.

  58. Mormegil
    Posted July 30, 2012 at 5:35 am | Permalink

    Florencia: Watson, Sorry but whose Direwolf you mean?

    It’s Nymeria who pulls Catelyns Corpse from the River and then runs off when the BwB turn up.

  59. jkb
    Posted July 30, 2012 at 5:37 am | Permalink

    Game Of Thongs:
    Shows like Walking Dead for example make me angry at humanity because people actually think its great.

    heh, i usually keep quiet about it in fear of getting crucified but The Walking Dead IS pretty overrated IMO. some bad writing in there and not so good acting at times.

  60. Aegon the Conqueror
    Posted July 30, 2012 at 5:53 am | Permalink

    jkb,

    Do you know where I can buy two strong 2 by 4′s and some Roman Era nails?

  61. Game Of Thongs
    Posted July 30, 2012 at 6:55 am | Permalink

    jkb,

    I’d go as far as saying its pretty horrible :P

    Aegon the Conqueror,

    please show us some mercy! :P

  62. Alex Dubrovsky
    Posted July 30, 2012 at 7:31 am | Permalink

    WildSeed: Perhaps I’ll make an effort to watch.I dismissed it based on a cable commercial and
    it seemed a clone of so many similar shows. Your enthusiasm peaked my curiosity .

    Breaking Bad is the best show I’ve ever seen and the best thing on TV right now. It can get a little slow, but it’s not slowing for the sake of making filler episodes, like Walking Dead seemed to be doing in the second season. It’s always a buildup to something great and character development. The writing, the acting, the directing, the cinematography – everything is perfect.

  63. mags giantsbabe
    Posted July 30, 2012 at 7:43 am | Permalink

    Aegon the Conquerer

    Cool, I’ll check it out. (:

  64. darquemode
    Posted July 30, 2012 at 7:50 am | Permalink

    Mrs. H’ghar,

    I see KasKAs answered you already, but in case you were looking for a reply from me I thought I would reply too…
    Westeros has a table of contents breakdown for each US and UK edition that shows the last chapter as Chapter 41/ Jon 5 in the UK Paperback.

    I live in the US and have the e-book too! XD
    However, when I first heard that the UK version (and I guess Poland too… and a few others I believe) had 2 books instead of one I did a re-read to see how Part 1: Steel and Snow Part 2: Blood and Gold felt to me as solo books.

  65. mags giantsbabe
    Posted July 30, 2012 at 7:59 am | Permalink

    Aegon the Conquerer

    Hahaha! Yes, that was the post, you gave the guy your real name and I was like, a-ha! There was also an earlier post where you mentioned the S. A. weather and I assumed you must be mzanzi. To avoid nerding stereotypes on this site from now on, I suggest you call yourself Aegon the ‘buff’ Conquerer (:

    I’m from Pretoria.

  66. Jillian
    Posted July 30, 2012 at 8:52 am | Permalink

    Nicolai Hansen: the Red Wedding already is episode 7 or episode 8, I hope they not rush on with the Purple Wedding in episode 9 or 10. There is much time between these two events on the show. The Purple Wedding should be in Season 4. They should do Tyrion and Sansas wedding in episode 5 of season 3.

    See, I think it would be really cool, from a visual standpoint, if the two events occured simultaneously. I can almost hear/see Joffrey gloating about taking down Starks, while it’s visually being cut in with scenes from the RW and the audience is completely riled up, then suddenly he starts to cough and WHAMMO! Emotional payoff. I know it’s not how it happens in the book, but I just think it would be amazing and take full advantage of the impact both of those events can have.

  67. Aegon the Conqueror
    Posted July 30, 2012 at 8:56 am | Permalink

    mags giantsbabe,

    Haha I assumed the name would speak for itself, that’s why I chose Aegon the Conqueror and not Viserys the Beggar King. Also I look a little bit like Aegon does on the gravatar, of all the Targeryens he most resembles me.
    I’ve been teased all my life cause I’m a huge geek, and then in high school I all of a sudden got good in sports and put on 40kg. From then on I hung out with both geeks and jocks and kicked any jock’s ass who would mess with my geek friends. Stereotypes suck ass! So yeah people judging like that makes me really angry.

    No way, I’m from Krugersdorp, bout 40 minutes away.

  68. Aegon the Conqueror
    Posted July 30, 2012 at 8:58 am | Permalink

    Jillian,

    Gosh I hope not the scene with Theon’s speech was but enough. I was rolling on the floor cracking myself open and then Luwin got stabbed and I wanted to cry. Really don’t wanna laugh and cry at the same time again. It’s not a good feeling.

  69. Katie
    Posted July 30, 2012 at 9:24 am | Permalink

    Can we all stop trashing television as a medium? Sure, there’s lots of not-so-great stuff out there right now, but that’s true of pretty much any kind of entertainment. Loads and loads of terrible books get published every year but no one goes around making fun of novels.

    I hope they spread out the two weddings. Part of the reason each one works so well as a set piece is that they’re given time to build and to breathe, and I think that would work better than having them pushed together to form one big, extended, climax to the season. Although I do kinda like Jillian’s idea. But I think it would be hard to put it into action without making everything feel a bit cramped or rushed.

  70. Tenesmus
    Posted July 30, 2012 at 9:30 am | Permalink

    DavosFTW!,

    I agree and feel that the RW and PW will take place simultaneoulsy in the same episode. There is GRRM’s episode entitled Autumn Storms, that will likley end with Balon Greyjoy falling off a bridge. Then ep 8 will be primarily cut scenes of Arya and the RW and Sansa and the PW. I know the books do things differently, but this is TV and the constant back and forth and slow build up of tension in cutting between both weddings would be gripping TV.

  71. darquemode
    Posted July 30, 2012 at 9:38 am | Permalink

    Katie,

    I agree about trashing TV and will go one step further…
    Personally I think the last decade or so has had some of the best TV ever on the air. With HBO leading the way, Showtime, AMC and FX coming along a couple years after, the quality of TV shows now is better than anything I can recall in my lifetime…. Cinematic quality in approximately 45-minute episodes.

    Yes, even some of the best series have flaws, but I think TV is the best it has ever been right now.

  72. WompWomp
    Posted July 30, 2012 at 9:51 am | Permalink

    Jillian: See, I think it would be really cool, from a visual standpoint, if the two events occured simultaneously.I can almost hear/see Joffrey gloating about taking down Starks, while it’s visually being cut in with scenes from the RW and the audience is completely riled up, then suddenly he starts to cough and WHAMMO!Emotional payoff.I know it’s not how it happens in the book, but I just think it would be amazing and take full advantage of the impact both of those events can have.

    It would be very Godfather-like for sure, but it also wouldn’t make a lot of sense placing those two events so close together. It’d be even more confusing to intercut them.

  73. Alan
    Posted July 30, 2012 at 10:04 am | Permalink

    Game Of Thongs:
    Alan,

    You have got to agree that vast majority of it is horse droppings… Shows like Walking Dead for example make me angry at humanity because people actually think its great.

    There are a few gems here and there like Boardwalk Empire, Community and ofcourse Breaking Bad. I never said everything was horrible…

    The majority of tv is not great. Much of it is mindless, or mediocre. But that’s not unique to American TV, for one. And it’s one of the better eras for television right now.

    It’s very typical to bash both tv and all things American, in terms of culture, but there’s a lot of good stuff on American tv these days so I find the criticism a bit lazy, that’s all.

  74. The Red Viper
    Posted July 30, 2012 at 10:07 am | Permalink

    I’m can’t remember if Tyrion marries Sansa before or after the Red Wedding but I think they’ll make Tyrion marry Sansa early in the season as to make the RW and PW only 2 episodes apart. I wonder how much screen time Bran is going to get as his story is literally going at a walking pace.

  75. Drfunk
    Posted July 30, 2012 at 10:17 am | Permalink

    darquemode,

    I think the biggest reason for the shift is the willingness to make serialized storyline instead of stand alone thematic episodes. Asian dramas for example always told the entire story arc through a fixed number of episodes pre determined by the writing team. Instead of seasons, they had a “block” of months to air all of the story. Cable network seems to have embraced such format but I think it’s a bigger gamble for network tv. For every LOST there’s a FLASHFORWARD, and it’s no surprise some of these show get canned before it has room to grow due to their cost. That’s the only thing that really bugs me lately, when you’ve got a show that has a good premise but gets canned by the bean counters due to it being on the wrong network. AWAKE is the latest of such tragedies (if anyone has seen it), it should have been on HBO/Showtime/AMC/FX but you can always count on good ol NBC to @#$@# shi@ up *cough tape delay* *cough*

    As to both weddings happening towards of end of season 3. It’s not happening. RW will give a closure to Robb/Catelyn arc for season 3 and its aftermath. I feel it’ll kind of be like the ending of the Empire strikes back, with joff gleefully preparing his PW. Then season 4 can start with a 2 hour premiere (a really long opener or 2 episodes back to back), as the extra time would be needed to properly introduce the new players from Dorne. The 2nd half of that hour can be used to execute the PW (think of this event like a mini movie) which would be the catalyst of the whole 4th season as the Tyrion trial arc would start along with Dany finally settling in. My only question is, where would they fit Jon’s arc? Would it be the 2nd story from season 3 and Dany in the background?

  76. mags giantsbabe
    Posted July 30, 2012 at 10:29 am | Permalink

    Aegon the Conquerer

    That’s inspirational (: I got teased because of my curly hair, shove it off and wore it really short and then got over the teasing and started growing it again in 2007. Now I flaunt it. I actually grew up in Limpopo, moved to PTA to study. So who did you support this weekend?

  77. darquemode
    Posted July 30, 2012 at 10:55 am | Permalink

    Drfunk,

    I agree, I think the serialized element is a major reason for TV improving and I agree that element is more risky for networks. I really have not watched much Asian TV honestly, but I like the idea of set story blocks with the writers controlling the story and not public whim like on many US networks.

    I have been thinking that the RW would be a brilliat jumping off point for Season 4, but I concede it is the natural ending point for Season 3… and the PW would have almost as much impact as the Season 4 starting point.

    I like your idea about a 2-hour premiere, but I doubt it will happen. I would love if HBO would allow a 2-hour premiere or finale making a season 11 or 12 hours of TV total.

    I think the adaptation for the Season 3 and 4 scripts is so intriguing! Not knowing exactly how the season plays out and ends makes the excitement for the new season more palpable to me. I really hope that if they work in 65% of the King’s Landing arc to fit in the RW that they do not attempt to fit in 65% of the other arcs too! I would love a slower moving story that allowed for more detail compared to the previous seasons.

  78. queenofthorns
    Posted July 30, 2012 at 11:36 am | Permalink

    JamesL,

    BS. We don’t need to rush to the PW. That’s like 90% of the way through the book. Ending the show with Dany freeing the unsullied is a hugely triumphant moment. It’s no different from Season 1 – have the RW and then Dany doing something awesome.

  79. Aegon the Conqueror
    Posted July 30, 2012 at 11:42 am | Permalink

    mags giantsbabe,

    No way I also grew up in Limpopo, small town of Naboomspruit. Moved here a year or two before high school. Good for you!!! How old are you btw?
    Haha this will sound very unpatriotic, but isupported the Sharks knowing they will lose the coming weekend. I’m a huge Bulls fans, and everyone hates us and how many times have you heard, “ek stem vir elke span wat teen die Bulle speel”? So yeah I certainly despise the other SA teams’ fans cause of this so I don’t want them to get the satisfaction of also having won a Super Rugby series.

  80. Aegon the Conqueror
    Posted July 30, 2012 at 11:44 am | Permalink

    BTW do you guys think the Unsullied will look as lame as they did in season 1?

  81. MRR
    Posted July 30, 2012 at 11:48 am | Permalink

    Out of consideration for non-readers, can we all try to be a bit more heavy-handed with our spoiler tags, please? I hope I’m not stepping on any moderators’ toes here – I only mean this as a friendly suggestion, and not as a chiding reminder – but spoiler-tagging individual words in a sentence isn’t really ideal since context can often give things away (though it’s a step far above not tagging at all!).

    Some non-readers, for instance, might not even want to know that any “weddings” take place for sure in S3, since they’ve been discussed as occurring near the end of the season, and that implies fairly heavily that Joffrey lives for quite a while yet… which in turn sets up certain expectations, and some people like to be able to go into a show without any expectations whatsowever.

    My personal rule of thumb is that if a sentence doesn’t make sense without a word or two which are definitely spoilers, just tag out the whole thing. For example:

    “I can’t wait until the scene where Ned Stark gets executed. Do you think that will happen in episode 9 or 10?”

    If I were watching the show for the first time, I’d know to expect something big for Ned Stark late in the season – and that knowledge and resulting expectations are bothersome for some people. It would be better to just spoil-tag the whole thing, since only people who have read the books will be able to participate in that discussion anyway.

    I’m sorry for my ramble, but I have a lot of sympathy for non-readers who enjoy discussing the show and have very few places to do it online without fear of being spoiled.

  82. tysnow
    Posted July 30, 2012 at 11:53 am | Permalink

    Aegon the Conqueror,

    Good point, Aegon, I too thought the unsullied at Illyrio’s compound appeared a little wimpy. They did follow the description of the armor very closely, but it just didn’t translate well to the visual medium of screen. I definitely belief Michele will need to amp up the imtimidation factor for their look this season, especially since it is my opinion that the Astapor massacre would make for the the perfect finale of baddassdom.

  83. iRaven
    Posted July 30, 2012 at 11:54 am | Permalink

    MRR,

    Totally agree. Some of my greatest enjoyment of this series (TV and Book) is getting people’s reactions to the big shockers. I actually spoiled myself a couple times while reading…I opened up to a chapter ahead of myself to find out Bran was still alive in Book 2.

  84. Katie
    Posted July 30, 2012 at 11:58 am | Permalink

    Al Swearengen,

    Aegon the Conqueror,

    Yeah, because miming sex with a friend who you are trying to keep comfortable and protect her dignity in the freezing cold with about 40 burly crew members watching your every move sounds like such a blast. Not at all like an awkward mess. ;p

    I love that Game of Thrones keeps wracking up the awards, but I’m dreading the inevitable moment when people decide that it’s not “cool” anymore and the shit-slinging starts. Bummer, I know, but it always happens. It better not start in the next two seasons, because I feel like they are going to turn out amazing. I can’t wait!

    On a positive note, how gorgeous is Gwendoline Christie?! I love how you never really hear anything bad about any of the cast members. They all seem lovely, it’s great. :)

  85. WompWomp
    Posted July 30, 2012 at 12:00 pm | Permalink

    queenofthorns:
    JamesL,

    BS.We don’t need to rush to the PW.That’s like 90% of the way through the book.Ending the show with Dany freeing the unsullied is a hugely triumphant moment.It’s no different from Season 1 – have the RW and then Dany doing something awesome.

    It was a big moment in the book at the time of reading, but I’m curious how non-readers will react to all that adding up to fuck-all when she decides to roost aimlessly in Meereen for a thousand years in the seasons to come. I doubt anyone will find her stagnant stint as a queen any more interesting on film than it was in the books. There’s just so little actual action in her storyline, which makes me nervous about her arcs in future seasons. It doesn’t help that they’ve neutered her family history, making her televised incarnation that much less interesting. Her best story yet was in the first book. People complained she had nothing to do this season, but really, that wasn’t far off from the books. What was really missing from her scenes this past season was the full flavor of Qarth, which wasn’t feasible given time and budget constraints.

    Who knows. Perhaps the relative brevity of the show’s seasons will preclude the interminable lull of the dangerously filler-esque portions of her journey.

    This is obviously coming from a Dany discontent (and I came away disappointed from ADWD), but I really think it’s up to the showrunners to spice up that part of the story for the show. Belwas has a limited role storywise (thus far), but I’m rooting for his inclusion in the show. In either medium, Dany’s story could use all the help it can get.

  86. tysnow
    Posted July 30, 2012 at 12:05 pm | Permalink

    I really am glad it appears that Jon will finally man up and mature this season, because the show had dragged out his immaturity much longer than the books.
    Everytime I see Michelle I want to ask her out to dinner; Ms. Fairley would make for a fine conversationalist, as she is the perfect blend of fun, elegancy, poise, maturity, beauty and intelligence, not necessarily in that order. Hopefully she will rub off on the younger actresses.

  87. WompWomp
    Posted July 30, 2012 at 12:09 pm | Permalink

    tysnow,

    I agree. She’s a deal older than book Cat, but she was a wonderful recast, just like Emilia Clarke. Though I take some issue with the writing of their roles, I simply can’t imagine the show without either of them.

    Michelle in particular is extraordinarily attractive in a way I don’t see very often. I felt a similar admiration for the late Anne Bancroft and Diana Quick. Older, yet uncommonly lively women. They’re all gorgeous.

  88. Drfunk
    Posted July 30, 2012 at 12:14 pm | Permalink

    darquemode,

    Completely agree with your assessment. I just hope they’ve listened to the positive feedback on the focus of blackwater. I’d rather get 90% development on 2 story arcs than 25% development on 6 arcs for the season if that makes any sense. The last thing I want is for them to pack big events (which require a bigger budget) into a single season which could result into a cheapened event (less epic or “imagined aftermath”). Jon’s arc will be almost as epic as the weddings while Dany will finally come into her own after her conquest of Mereen. Which is why I think both of those events should be in their own season supporting one wedding each.

    As for asian dramas, I’d love to recommend some series to you but sadly they are nowhere near on par with the current stuff we got here. They are mainly of the slice of life variety kind with a lot of pretty actors for teens to oogle over, whenever they try to go “hollywood” it just becomes a really cheap B action flick which is quite sad. That said, the format is the only thing I love about those shows, I think it would empower the writers tremendously if they knew from the start how many episodes they would be allowed to write. There are no “fillers” as each episode is part of the bigger arcs and knowing where the end is allows the writer to finish gracefully instead of a horrible mess *cough BSG* *Cough*. On the flip side, those shows are probably costing 10% of your typical show here, so a network could afford to order 54 episode for a series etc.. This is why the HBO model has a lot of appeal, sub based and pay for content rather than be at the whim of advertisers.

  89. WompWomp
    Posted July 30, 2012 at 12:21 pm | Permalink

    Drfunk,

    Good point on Blackwater reactions. The dust has settled surrounding the second season and I’m finding it harder to rewatch GOT than other shows because of the lacking attention span of the narrative. It’s almost schizophrenic at times.

  90. tysnow
    Posted July 30, 2012 at 12:23 pm | Permalink

    WompWomp,

    Here, here.
    I also want to comment a little further on a conundrum concerning Arstapor that the writers and directors face. If the Arstaporians are not properly conveyed as evil, then viewers may look on the massacre as Dany becoming mad and a butcher. Though for dramatic purposes, they need to be a more refined and ancient cultural evil. Think Pompeii, Babylon and Tenochtitlan all roled into one.

  91. Ed
    Posted July 30, 2012 at 12:28 pm | Permalink

    Edited out cause spoiler function works like shit.

  92. WompWomp
    Posted July 30, 2012 at 12:32 pm | Permalink

    Ed,

    Spoiler tags, man! They act up sometimes, so tag each paragraph individually.

  93. Ed
    Posted July 30, 2012 at 12:39 pm | Permalink

    I quit. The spoiler function crap.

  94. Ed
    Posted July 30, 2012 at 12:43 pm | Permalink

    WompWomp:
    Ed,

    Spoiler tags, man! They act up sometimes, so tag each paragraph individually.

    I had it perfectly tagged for spoilers (even the second time). I even used Preview and it looked great.

    THEN, when I go back to Edit it, I’m not allowed to add spoiler tags. What a joke.

  95. WompWomp
    Posted July 30, 2012 at 1:05 pm | Permalink

    Ed,

    I’ve run into the same problem. It’s not a lot to type out, but you can also copy and paste the spoiler tags that already exist within your post and tag each spoiling line/paragraph individually. It’s tedious, but it works. We get that limited window to do it, which is enough for the job.

  96. JS
    Posted July 30, 2012 at 1:24 pm | Permalink

    Ingemar Svensson,

    How about No?

  97. WompWomp
    Posted July 30, 2012 at 1:31 pm | Permalink

    JS:
    Ingemar Svensson,

    How about No?

    Haha, I forgot about that comment.

    Ingemar Svensson:
    How about giving OtakuAssemble’s Larry Williams a hand by advertising his Kickstarter project http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/1912374461/totems-comic-book-miniseries-created-by-larry-will . Would be a nice gesture after the fun he gives the GOT community with his reviews.

    To each his own, but I’m in the “Larry’s reviews are long-winded and brimming with too many pauses and generally irritable moments to ever warrant WiC.net’s explicit endorsement” camp. He’s lucky to have a link in the review threads when the show’s in season.

  98. darquemode
    Posted July 30, 2012 at 1:40 pm | Permalink

    tysnow,

    The nice thing about Dany’s arc is that is is so isolated from the rest of the saga (at least up to Book 6) and they can adjust it out however they want each season.

    In theory if D&D want they can make Dany conquer one city per season by just extending some of her story, adding more dreams or prophetic visions etc. We had Qarth in Season 2, we could have Astapor for Season 3, and Yunkai for Season 4. That pushes back the arrival at and conquest of Meereen, but that would also allow them to shorten her “learning to rule” arc while at Meereen. Instead of her learning to rule being stretched over Season 5 and 6 (assuming they combine AFfC and ADwD into about 2 seasons), Dany can conquer Meereen in Season 5 and then learn to rule in Season 6.

    In theory that would make her seasonal arcs more streamlined and shorten her infuriating (to some) time in Meereen. On some level I do like that idea, but I was not a huge fan of the changes D&D made to Dany’s time in Qarth so I’m not sure I trust them to elongate her story before she reaches Meereen.

    Plus I have been waiting to see Whitebeard revealed as Selmy and would dread him not being revealed for 2, 3 or even 4 more seasons! XD

  99. Winter Is Coming
    Posted July 30, 2012 at 1:52 pm | Permalink

    Ed: I had it perfectly tagged for spoilers (even the second time).I even used Preview and it looked great.

    THEN, when I go back to Edit it, I’m not allowed to add spoiler tags.What a joke.

    Actually, you can add spoiler tags when editing, you just have to do so by adding them manually instead of with the spoiler button.

    In any case, if you ever get flummoxed by the spoiler tags again, just delete your comment and give the reason as messed up spoiler tags. That will remove the comment from the thread and place it in the moderation queue, where one of the mods can then edit and republish it.

  100. Claudiu Gherganu
    Posted July 30, 2012 at 2:07 pm | Permalink

    This is OT but can we discuss how those assholes at WB are trying to milk the Hobbit franchise now with three movies instead of two ? This might hurt pacing and overall plot of the movies in the long run, with LOTR it was acceptable because it was actually three books but how can you make three two hours and a half movies from a single small book ? This is like HP and the Deathly Hallows again , which i’m still not a fan of the decision to split the movie in two parts i feel like it could have been done in a single part , but of course the studios want more fucking MONEY .

  101. Lycanthropist
    Posted July 30, 2012 at 2:17 pm | Permalink

    Claudiu Gherganu,

    Wow… just wrong. I mean how ridiculous is that ratio? Lord of the Rings 3 long books, 3 long movies vs. The Hobbit 1 medium book, 3 long movies?

    Ugh. I’m already exhausted and I haven’t seen the first minute

  102. WompWomp
    Posted July 30, 2012 at 2:20 pm | Permalink

    Claudiu Gherganu,

    Peter Jackson endorses it, but it’s hard to take any director’s words at face value given the tremendous forces behind them.

    From what I have gathered, the Hobbit films are also treading ground from The Simarillion. I am skeptical of the trilogy format given the book is so short (sure, you need extra screen time for the mythology behind it all, but really, three movies to tell Bilbo’s story?!), but Peter Jackson is no slouch.

    Eh, I wasn’t even all that hyped about The Hobbit anyway. The LOTR trilogy films don’t hold up as well as I would have thought except for The Fellowship of the Ring, which has a unique and magical heft to it that any successive fantasy film has yet to match, let alone surpass.

  103. Lycanthropist
    Posted July 30, 2012 at 2:26 pm | Permalink

    WompWomp,

    I actually thought the Two Towers was the best of the trilogy.

    But I just don’t see how three movies is going to have any sustainability.

  104. Aegon the Conqueror
    Posted July 30, 2012 at 3:01 pm | Permalink

    Claudiu Gherganu,

    The obvious money grubbing aside it’s not as bad as it sounds. The Hobbit was split in two because a lot of things that happened in the same time, but outside the book were added like the War of Dwarves and Orcs, the White Council and the driving of the Necromancer (Sauron) from Mirkwood and Dol Guldur. There is enough material for a third movie, I’m hoping they still end number two with the battle of the Five Armies, if they do there is a lot you can still add. The entire story of Aragorn serving both Denethor and Theodens father as the Captain Thorongil for example. What I’m reading from PJ it seems to be the plan, for a third to bridge the gap between Hobbit and LOTR.

  105. Aegon the Conqueror
    Posted July 30, 2012 at 3:04 pm | Permalink

    tysnow,

    Some descriptions just don’t work in real life, I still can’t see Daario’s blue beard and golden tooth working. So hopefully they’ll go for a more 300 type look as I’ve always seen the Unsullied as a Spartan Esque warrior culture with the same fighting style. Unsullied’s fighting style would fuck the mounted knights of Westeros up. They need to look m0re badass!

  106. Aegon the Conqueror
    Posted July 30, 2012 at 3:09 pm | Permalink

    WompWomp,

    Nope no Silmarillion stuff (takes place thousands and thousans of years before the Hobbit in the FIrst Age). But if you’ve ever read the Appendices of LOTR you would realise there’s alot of absolutely fascinating history happening at the time of the Hobbit that can be added for example the meeting of Aragorn and Arwen. Alot of it has been added already, that’s why the movie was split to begin with. I’m not worried because I realise there is a massive amount of good cannonical stuff that can be added. Remember the Hobbit was written first hence it size, but as the saga of LOTR grew, so did the history hence the lenghty appendices of RotK.

  107. Lycanthropist
    Posted July 30, 2012 at 3:12 pm | Permalink

    I think Daario’s golden tooth will make it in, but i doubt the blue beard will be in. maybe some blue jewelry in the beard.

  108. Lycanthropist
    Posted July 30, 2012 at 3:16 pm | Permalink

    Aegon the Conqueror,

    Well I must admit that this makes me feel better about the whole thing then.

    I have faith in PJ, despite its missteps the LOTR movie trilogy was a pretty big feat in movie production

  109. Cary Bass
    Posted July 30, 2012 at 3:21 pm | Permalink

    Jambo: Yes, it’s fantastic. Really does deserve all the praise and awards it gets.

    I’ve seen both and while I absolutely love Peter Dinklage’s performance this season, I would be surprised to see him beat out Giancarlo Esposito. But the good news for Dinklage is that in Breaking Bad, Esposito’s character dies at the end of Season 4.

  110. Cary Bass
    Posted July 30, 2012 at 3:24 pm | Permalink

    Aegon the Conqueror:
    MRR,

    I think the fact that Jack GLeeson wants out of acting might speed up his death to season 3.

    Not necessarily, he could still come back for a brief appearance in Season 4 if only to die; or they could film the scene in advance.

  111. Aegon the Conqueror
    Posted July 30, 2012 at 3:52 pm | Permalink

    Lycanthropist,

    Just remember this is Peter Jackson, if youve ever seen the how the Lord of the Rings movies came to be, you would realise the reason why the saga was entrusted to a low key little known director was because of his passion. Just remember this isn’t Michael Bay (yes I’m talking bout Tranformers, apparently number 4 will be his last, didnt he say that last time?) PJ loves the story, the characters and has a real passion for all of it he wouldn’t fuck it up just for the sake of money. I dont know if this is true, but the idea apparently came from him.

  112. Andrew
    Posted July 30, 2012 at 4:41 pm | Permalink

    Claudiu Gherganu,

    I actually really liked Deathly Hallows as two movies. I think it worked really well to have all the battle stuff in the second, and have all that fleshed out, while having all the character stuff in part one. The scene with Harry and Hermione dancing is one of my favorites, and I don’t think it would have made the cut if it was only one movie.

    In regards to purple wedding in season 3 they could always bring forward some elements of Feast and Dance for season 4 to fill out the end of the third book.

  113. Ed
    Posted July 30, 2012 at 4:58 pm | Permalink

    By what standard? Commercially? Critically? Artistically?

    Considering they ruled pretty much on every one of those standards, I’m not sure what you’re talking about.

    WompWomp: The LOTR trilogy films don’t hold up as well as I would have thought

  114. Ross
    Posted July 30, 2012 at 5:12 pm | Permalink

    WompWomp: Eh, I wasn’t even all that hyped about The Hobbit anyway. The LOTR trilogy films don’t hold up as well as I would have thought except for The Fellowship of the Ring, which has a unique and magical heft to it that any successive fantasy film has yet to match, let alone surpass.

    100% agree with that assessment. FOTR is a thing of absolute beauty and holds up wonderfully well. The other two are great in patches but just awful in others.

  115. tysnow
    Posted July 30, 2012 at 5:14 pm | Permalink

    One thing that needs to be altered for the unsullied look is the skullcap helmets with the spike. The look is not dramatic or intimidating, although it adheres to real life helmets from the early first century BC in Persia. My opinion is the helmet should be revised to have Spartan check/face guards, while still keeping the spike, maybe give the spike a more barabaric look, this should instill a more threatening countenance in their appearance.

  116. darquemode
    Posted July 30, 2012 at 5:18 pm | Permalink

    Aegon the Conqueror,

    I have no fear about a Hobbit trilogy!
    PJ’s Hobbit will be what I like about Fantasy, real story and character development. There is enough material in The Hobbit and the JRRT apendices to make a trilogy no problem.

    It will be the opposite of Game of Thrones the series where D&D are forced to condense brilliant material because of limited episodes and hours. PJ will be able to fill in from all of Tolkien’s works, to show events and scenes that were only mentioned in passing in book The Hobbit , and make what is very much a fast paced children’s story into a more dynamic work that is as good for adults.

  117. Aegon the Conqueror
    Posted July 30, 2012 at 5:49 pm | Permalink

    tysnow,

    I agree I think something like this could work really well.
    http://www.google.co.za/imgres?q=dwarven+helmet+skyrim&um=1&hl=en&sa=N&rlz=1T4FTSA_enZA359ZA359&biw=1323&bih=517&tbm=isch&tbnid=4VviM-Z1J2rDdM:&imgrefurl=http://elderscrolls.wikia.com/wiki/File:Dwarven_Helmet_SK.png&docid=MxkBur7Ab7ri2M&imgurl=http://images.wikia.com/elderscrolls/images/7/76/Dwarven_Helmet_SK.png&w=600&h=800&ei=TAAXUJLgA42KhQet94GgCQ&zoom=1
    Also someone said they think the producers will get rid of the blue hair but keep the golden tooth. I think it will be the other way around, with the blue hair toned down like Jaqen’s hair was this season.

  118. Ross
    Posted July 30, 2012 at 5:52 pm | Permalink

    tysnow:
    One thing that needs to be altered for the unsullied look is the skullcap helmets with the spike. The look is not dramatic or intimidating, although it adheres to real life helmets from the early first century BC in Persia. My opinion is the helmet should be revised to have Spartan check/face guards, while still keeping the spike, maybe give the spike a more barabaric look, this should instill a more threatening countenance in their appearance.

    I would also be quite happy if they did away with the, erm, baby-related part of their training. Even for this blackened soul that was just a step too far for me and I’ll be happy if no mention is made of that (let alone seeing it enacted out!)

  119. Aegon the Conqueror
    Posted July 30, 2012 at 5:52 pm | Permalink

    darquemode,

    One can only imagine what could be done if Game of Thrones had the expertise of PJ and his team and the budget of any one of the 5 (6) films.
    Hobbit will blow our minds!
    Let’s start an online poll for PJ to direct a movie (with D@D as producers of course) based on Robert’s Rebellion!

  120. darquemode
    Posted July 30, 2012 at 6:11 pm | Permalink

    Aegon the Conqueror,

    I’m not sure I have a problem with the Unsullied as they are…. They are not supposed to look fierce or even all that imposing. It is their reputation and their unique training that makes them what they are. I actually think that them looking benign adds to their mystique.

    I’m intrigued by Daario on so many levels even though I was not a huge fan of him in the books. I am intrigued to see if they make him long and lean or if they beef him up? Do they keep his hugely hooked nose? Do they keep his peacock like hair and mustache or does a vibrant wardrobe convey that message well enough?

    Personally I hope they keep him lean and not so extreme warrior beefy. I like the idea of someting flamboyant in his hair or beard, but it does not need to be blue with gold tipped mustachio ends. Maybe some beads or a color streak or two. Mostly I think that in a desert continent like much of that area of Essos if they keep his colorful and flamboyant wardrobe that will expose enough about his personality and character. I guess that does not mean D&D will go that route though…..

  121. Rygar
    Posted July 30, 2012 at 7:11 pm | Permalink

    There will need to be a lot of fluff to make this happen. Or they can just make a third film based on all the descriptions of mountains, trees, etc that make Tolkiens work tedious at times. I say this beacuse, yeah there is stuff in the appendices, but its not much narrative (from what I remember) mostly just descriptions of events.

    I would rather have the story of Feanor and the Simarils told then three Hobbit movies. Chop those trees Morgoth! Fingolfin don’t stand a chance son.

    darquemode:
    Aegon the Conqueror,

    I have no fear about a Hobbit trilogy!
    PJ’s Hobbit will be what I like about Fantasy, real story and character development. There is enough material in The Hobbit and the JRRT apendicesto make a trilogy no problem.

    It will be the opposite of Game of Thrones the series where D&D are forced to condense brilliant material because of limited episodes and hours. PJ will be able to fill in from all of Tolkien’s works, to show events and scenes that were only mentioned in passing in book The Hobbit , and make what is very much a fast paced children’s story into a more dynamic work that is as good for adults.

  122. MaryS-NJ
    Posted July 30, 2012 at 7:12 pm | Permalink

    Speaking for myself only – I want season 3 to end with some righteous satisfaction/justice for the audience in the wake of the RW. That’s why I think the PW should happen in season 3 instead of waiting until season 4, because it balances the scale a bit.

    Not everyone likes to see subversion of established tropes without some relief from unrelenting misery and death. How many non-reader fans of the TV series will stick around for season 4 if it seems only the good die young and the villains never pay any price for their evil?

    I’d hope for an arc that includes three weddings and a funeral starting early with Hoster Tully’s funeral, followed by Sansa’s forced marriage to Tyrion which leads to her desperately plotting escape with Petyr; the RW somewhere around episode 8 and the PW in episode 10 . Those events will anchor all the related storylines in below the Wall in Westeros, plus Jon’s arc in the North, Daenerys’ arc in Essos and the future developments of Arya, Bran and Rickon’s storylines.

  123. Ryan E
    Posted July 30, 2012 at 7:17 pm | Permalink

    darquemode: Katie, I agree about trashing TV and will go one step further…Personally I think the last decade or so has had some of the best TV ever on the air. With HBO leading the way, Showtime, AMC and FX coming along a couple years after, the quality of TV shows now is better than anything I can recall in my lifetime…. Cinematic quality in approximately 45-minute episodes.Yes, even some of the best series have flaws, but I think TV is the best it has ever been right now.

    I agree. And even with the downturn of sci-fi on TV in recent years, the last decade had the best sci-fi show as well in Battlestar Galactica. One of the main reasons is the switch to serialized dramas with long story arcs instead of standalone episodes.

  124. Aegon the Conqueror
    Posted July 30, 2012 at 7:45 pm | Permalink

    darquemode,

    It’s not that they looked benign, it was that they looked quite silly. but Im sure whatever they do will be fantastic.
    It might be intresting if they head in the complete opposite direction that Khal Drogo was, so Im also hoping for a leaner Dario with all the extravagance that Drogo would never ever do. Like you not a fan but also intrested to see the direction they go in.

  125. Aegon the Conqueror
    Posted July 30, 2012 at 7:50 pm | Permalink

    Rygar,

    Yes description from event that in themselves are quite fascinating and would lend artistic liscence to whoever interpreted it. Well then hope the Hobbit does so well that there are three and that all three do as well as the original trilogy. If it does I predict the money hungry head honchos will eventually greenlight a Silmarillion film.
    So support the Hobbit so we can get to the goodstuff! Maybe even a Children of Hurin. I know it received reviews ranging from Brilliant to awful, I thought it was bloody fantastic and much closer to something GRRM would write than the usual Tolkien fare.

  126. WildSeed
    Posted July 30, 2012 at 7:54 pm | Permalink

    Game Of Thongs:
    WildSeed,

    Don’t get your hopes up too high though.

    While I really enjoyed Walter’s handling of fucked up situations and even the one to one conversations at times, the show wasn’t as good as I thought it would be, partly because I had very high expectations based on the things people said to me before I watched it.Don’t make the same mistake I did.

    I thought it would be one “edge on your seat” episodefollowed by another the entire season, but in reality, its only like that in the first few and last few episodes of a season. Nothing much happens in the middle episodes. (I’ve watched every single episode released so far)

    I thought Breaking Bad was fantastic, but its not the second coming of Jesus like some people say. Game of Thrones is certainly better in my eyes, but thats just my opinion.

    I think what appeals to most people about Breaking Bad is its unorthodox story, given what its about. In that light, I suppose it is definitely better than all the other horribly bad TV shows that plague American TV :D

    As it were, there was an episode on sunday evening and I made an attempt to follow
    but I couldn’t. I’m sure it was just that I didn’t understand the details or POV. I decided
    to examine the pace of the episode and get a sense of drama which I could not ascertain.
    I will try another though and without critique to be fair. I’m not crazy about watching too
    much Tv and not sure I’d want another series addiction but I do want to find out what’s
    all the fuss about. I have started out in the middle of a fantastic series before and became
    immediately hooked by the riveting drama or laughter and BB was not that. I’ll give it one
    one more fair viewing. Thanks for your candor.

  127. WildSeed
    Posted July 30, 2012 at 8:01 pm | Permalink

    darquemode:
    tysnow,

    I agree completely with you.
    There is no way I would put PW in Season 3 and if I had my way RW would not make it into Season 3 either. There are so many natural break points midway through ASoS, so natural that when divided into two books as it is in the UK both books feel like stand alone novels – Not two halves of one book.

    There are a number of other benefits too.
    It gives GRRM more time to write his upcoming books if ASoS makes for 2 full seasons (after adding in material from ACoK into Season 3 and material from AFfC into Season 4).

    Having the ability to split a larger book into 2 seasons with “about half in each season” allows them to actually allow for character development in some of the overlooked arcs. Getting into Jon Snow’s arc is essential as he has been overlooked so far, as has Bran, and Sansa really. Honestly every arc felt rushed to me last season (other than maybe Dany’s) and letting the story breath will only enhance the series.

    Having the RW in the beginning of Season 4 would break the pattern of having the big event of each season be in Episode 9. Keeping the pacing fresh is essntial to good storytelling in my mind. If it becomes routine to build for 3 episodes, then hit the real story in Episode 4, and build to the climax in Episode 9 the story loses much of its power to me as it becomes predictable.

    It also breaks the pattern, if only for one season, of building a character up only to bring them down at the end of the same season. In Season 1 Ned was in focus and then gone, Season 2 had Theon establishing himself and then knocked down and out at season’s end.If the RW is included in Season 3 we will go through the same process again with Robb.

    Keeping the RW in Season 4 allows the focus to shift to other regions for the first time. King’s Landing has always been the focus of the series and always will have a huge ammount of time spent there as it is the literal seat of power. One season with a slower moving KL arc gives the viewer time to see that there is much more at play than just the battle for the Iron Throne. D&D can get into the prophecy around Dany, Jon, Stannis and Bran’s arc. It allows them to show the more mystical side of the saga as a focus for the first time. Different regions of the realm, but all relating to the same larger story than just the Iron Throne.

    All that said, with Episode 7 being titled ‘Autumn Storms’ I think the RW will indeed be in Season 3.

    Please FAX this discussion to GRRM :D. This may be incentive to expedite Book 6.
    The RW in season 4 is simply logical ( logistically and balances the pace ) and calms
    the nerves of the viewers.

  128. WildSeed
    Posted July 30, 2012 at 8:12 pm | Permalink

    Alex Dubrovsky: Breaking Bad is the best show I’ve ever seen and the best thing on TV right now. It can get a little slow, but it’s not slowing for the sake of making filler episodes, like Walking Dead seemed to be doing in the second season. It’s always a buildup to something great and character development. The writing, the acting, the directing, the cinematography – everything is perfect.

    The Walking Dead is so riveting that Ive found myself frozen in fear or holding onto
    my sofa cushion a bit too strongly. I have not read the comic books for reference so my
    anxiety is real. When the little girl Sophia turned up a zombie I actually teared up and
    felt betrayed ( yup, and I’m a grownup). There were some issues with pacing certain
    characters but major house cleaning resolved that issue and viewers are well on their
    way to nirvana. Cannot wait enough for S3.

  129. WildSeed
    Posted July 30, 2012 at 8:20 pm | Permalink

    darquemode:
    Mrs. H’ghar,

    I see KasKAs answered you already, but in case you were looking for a reply from me I thought I would reply too…
    Westeros has a table of contents breakdown for each US and UK edition that shows the last chapter as Chapter 41/ Jon 5 in the UK Paperback.

    I live in the US and have the e-book too! XD
    However, when I first heard that the UK version (and I guess Poland too… and a few others I believe) had 2 books instead of one I did a re-read to see how Part 1: Steel and Snow Part 2: Blood and Gold felt to me as solo books.

    This one thanks you too darquemode, I’ve been looking all over for a list such as this
    and started last year devising my own list. I’ve visited Westeros’s site but would have
    searched endlessly before finding this. Thanks, it’s in my Mac Bookmarks now.

  130. WompWomp
    Posted July 30, 2012 at 8:42 pm | Permalink

    Ed:
    By what standard?Commercially?Critically?Artistically?

    Considering they ruled pretty much on every one of those standards, I’m not sure what you’re talking about.

    Artistically, actually. And this is my opinion, my perception of the films, so it’s okay if you can’t relate. Not unlike Aliens by James Cameron, I believe the trilogy as a whole is “good for its time,” though I make a personal exception for Fellowship, which is virtually timeless. When it comes to the individual films in their entirety, I love every minute of the first film while my enjoyment of the sequels is markedly uneven. They each reach some remarkable cinematic heights (The Two Towers contains some of my favorite scenes in the entire trilogy: Gandalf vs. Balrog, the final battle with the Ents, to name a few, and Return has Frodo, Sam, and Gollum in Mount Doom, which was amazing), but the journey of the unbroken fellowship felt so much more personal and harrowing than the vast warscapes of TTT and ROTK.

    Wow, nearly forgot the specifics of the Aliens comparison. Aliens had amazing special effects for its time, but I find it is trumped by the eerie wonder and immaculate simplicity of Alien, which is a sublime piece of filmmaking. Aliens set a lot of benchmarks for films to follow (like the LOTR trilogy), but for all its extravagances, doesn’t hold up as well as the original. I see lots of effects shots in TTT and ROTK in the same light.

    Ross: 100% agree with that assessment. FOTR is a thing of absolute beauty and holds up wonderfully well.The other two are great in patches but just awful in others.

    There is beauty throughout the trilogy (I don’t like the sequels nearly as much, but I’m not going to trash them either), but Fellowship struck a particular chord with me. It was a work of unbroken beauty, which few films in any genre ever achieve. I loved how it began with some of the dark history of the Ring, and how it thrust you into a Middle Earth that had largely forgotten the great evils of the world, only to be stirred back up into desperate action. Even the battles felt more intimate, with the unparalleled journey into Moria and the hopeless odds in their skirmish with the Uruks. And how can I not mention Sean Bean’s Boromir, one of the most human humans in the whole series? His character grounded the race of Men, embodying their best and worst qualities.

    I think we’re in the minority, but I’m adamant in my position. I loved them all as they were released, but my love for The Fellowship of the Ring withstood the test of time.

    WildSeed: As it were, there was an episode on sunday evening and I made an attempt to follow
    but I couldn’t. I’m sure it was just that I didn’t understand the details or POV. I decided
    to examine the pace of the episode and get a sense of drama which I could not ascertain.
    I will try another though and without critique to be fair. I’m not crazy about watching too
    much Tv and not sure I’d want another series addiction but I do want to find out what’s
    all the fuss about. I have started out in the middle of a fantastic series before and became
    immediately hooked by the riveting drama or laughter and BB was not that. I’ll give it one
    one more fair viewing. Thanks for your candor.

    This season of Breaking Bad in particular is the culmination of four solid seasons of continuous drama. As great as the show is, I can easily imagine how meaningless the latest episode would be to a newcomer. Please start the series from the beginning before you give it a personal verdict. Your impression of a later episode cannot determine how much you’ll enjoy this series, which is nothing without its sense of progression. :)

  131. WildSeed
    Posted July 30, 2012 at 8:57 pm | Permalink

    Aegon the Conqueror:
    WompWomp,

    Nope no Silmarillion stuff (takes place thousands and thousans of years before the Hobbit in the FIrst Age). But if you’ve ever read the Appendices of LOTR you would realise there’s alot of absolutely fascinating history happening at the time of the Hobbit that can be added for example the meeting of Aragorn and Arwen. Alot of it has been added already, that’s why the movie was split to begin with. I’m not worried because I realise there is a massive amount of good cannonical stuff that can be added. Remember the Hobbit was written first hence it size, but as the saga of LOTR grew, so did the history hence the lenghty appendices of RotK.

    I’ve gotta read those ” appendices”. I read the Hobbit so very long ago.

  132. David The Grey
    Posted July 30, 2012 at 9:29 pm | Permalink

    WompWomp: The LOTR trilogy films don’t hold up as well as I would have thought except for The Fellowship of the Ring, which has a unique and magical heft to it that any successive fantasy film has yet to match, let alone surpass.

    I agree with this sentiment too regarding FoTW > LoTR. Especially the extended cut, it really transported me to that world and gets me believing. I love the trilogy, but the first movie is pure excellence.

  133. David The Grey
    Posted July 30, 2012 at 9:50 pm | Permalink

    Aegon the Conqueror: Just remember this is Peter Jackson, if youve ever seen the how the Lord of the Rings movies came to be, you would realise the reason why the saga was entrusted to a low key little known director was because of his passion. Just remember this isn’t Michael Bay (yes I’m talking bout Tranformers, apparently number 4 will be his last, didnt he say that last time?) PJ loves the story, the characters and has a real passion for all of it he wouldn’t fuck it up just for the sake of money. I dont know if this is true, but the idea apparently came from him.

    Well the fact that it is PJ at the helm is the only reason I will give the Hobbit trilogy a shot. I do trust that they will do a good job with the material.

    However, I protest that they feel the need to add in all the extra material to begin with. The Hobbit has always held a special place in my heart because of it’s more straightforward storyline. The resulting product is going to be far and away a different entity than the novel they are “adapting”. Rather, why not call the movie “Middle Earth” or something? (For those that do like extra material, and play online MMO’s, Lord of The Rings Online does a good job on expanding the Middle Earth environs and stories.)

    Still, I will be in line to go see it at the theaters (hopefully in 2D). I’m sure I will be entertained, and if it means that my special memories of The Hobbit remain at their best with the novel itself, that is OK.

  134. Matthew Jam
    Posted July 30, 2012 at 9:53 pm | Permalink

    Just want to say, after watching last week’s excellent episode of Breaking Bad, I am very excited to see what Michelle MacLaren can do on her two eps of Game of Thrones! Great director.

  135. mags giantsbabe
    Posted July 30, 2012 at 11:55 pm | Permalink

    Aegon the Conquerer

    No kidding that you grew up there! I grew up like 50 kilos north of you in Potties :D I’m not that heavy into rugby, my family are Bulls, so when I go with them to Loftus I put on my Bulls shirt. But I also severely dislike the Bulls fans stereotyping. But I’m actually glad the Sharks won, I like them more than the Stormers. I lOoove LOTR. I’ve read Silmarillion and the Lotr annals like they are fascinating little stories. I’m 26, you can ad me on Facebook if you like, then we can chat some more, just search for Magderie Nel. My profile pic is a Jon Snow with Ghost painting. I’m currently doing my Masters in Ancient Cultural History and work on campus. What do you do? (Besides obviously playing serious rugby?)

    All I hope for is that Jon’s story gets better treatment in the next two seasons. It is possibly the best arc in aSoS. Hopefully it will emotionally be on the same level as Theon’s arc in S2. I hope they show Robb’s decision regarding Jon and Cat’s reaction (sorry, can’t spoiler tag on my Crackberry).

  136. JA
    Posted July 31, 2012 at 12:20 am | Permalink

    Having Michelle MacLaren working on GoT is definitely exciting… she’s directed some of the best TV ever made. Her episodes have varied, too, from being more self-contained (“Four Days Out”), to building tension (“I.F.T.”), to one that ended with an apparent celebration turning into mass death (“Salud”).

  137. Alan
    Posted July 31, 2012 at 1:11 am | Permalink

    WildSeed: As it were, there was an episode on sunday evening and I made an attempt to follow
    but I couldn’t. I’m sure it was just that I didn’t understand the details or POV. I decided
    to examine the pace of the episode and get a sense of drama which I could not ascertain.
    I will try another though and without critique to be fair. I’m not crazy about watching too
    much Tv and not sure I’d want another series addiction but I do want to find out what’s
    all the fuss about. I have started out in the middle of a fantastic series before and became
    immediately hooked by the riveting drama or laughter and BB was not that. I’ll give it one
    one more fair viewing. Thanks for your candor.

    You need to start from episode 1. I can’t imagine coming in partway, much like GoT.

  138. Anne
    Posted July 31, 2012 at 1:17 am | Permalink

    Aegon the Conqueror,

    As a longtime Sharks fan I am hoping (against all odds) they will win this weekend!

  139. Alex Dubrovsky
    Posted July 31, 2012 at 2:13 am | Permalink

    WildSeed: As it were, there was an episode on sunday evening and I made an attempt to follow
    but I couldn’t. I’m sure it was just that I didn’t understand the details or POV. I decided
    to examine the pace of the episode and get a sense of drama which I could not ascertain.
    I will try another though and without critique to be fair. I’m not crazy about watching too
    much Tv and not sure I’d want another series addiction but I do want to find out what’s
    all the fuss about. I have started out in the middle of a fantastic series before and became
    immediately hooked by the riveting drama or laughter and BB was not that. I’ll give it one
    one more fair viewing. Thanks for your candor.

    Breaking Bad is one continuous story, with beginning, middle and end. Starting it from one episode towards the end of the story (the current season is the last) is like starting to read the book from the end (or starting to watch something like GoT from eighth or so episode of season 2) – you don’t know the story, don’t know the characters and don’t know why they behave the way they behave. So yeah, start from episode 1 of season 1 and go from there.

  140. darquemode
    Posted July 31, 2012 at 4:10 am | Permalink

    WildSeed,

    I came across that list using Google and not Westeros directly or I would not have found it either! XD

    Re: Breaking Bad –
    IT really is a series that needs to be seen from Episode 1. Everything builds on that episode, and many episode contain information that relates to past episodes. So it makes it nearly impossible to understand everything that is going on if you jump into the middle somewhere. You may get the gist of the plot, but you will miss the nuance that the series is about.

    Not sure where you live, but try to get your hands on Season 1 DVD or the first episode and start from there. You may or may not like it, but to really have a feel for the series it needs to be seen in order from the pilot. It is the best series on TV IMO.

  141. Aegon the Conqueror
    Posted July 31, 2012 at 5:36 am | Permalink

    WildSeed,

    Even if you read the comics it still catches you by surprise, for instance Carl was supposed to kill Shane in season 1 when Shane had the gun pointed at Rick. Also Sophia is alive and well way past Herschell’s farm. So yeah the series has caught me horribly by surprise several times.

  142. Aegon the Conqueror
    Posted July 31, 2012 at 5:40 am | Permalink

    David The Grey,

    Trust me go and see it in 3d, this is the very first true 3d film with even the concept art being done in 3d. The 48 frames per second instead of the conventional 24 has been done specifically to clean up the fuzziness of 3d. Apparently its not so hot when you view it in 2d. The reason why the extra material has been added is to further help explain the vents leading up to LOTR, for instance how Sauron was corrupted.

  143. Aegon the Conqueror
    Posted July 31, 2012 at 6:13 am | Permalink

    mags giantsbabe,

    Ok so I can only find one Magderie Nel on FB with no profile pic and some serious privacy settings (cant see pictures or basic info) is that one you?
    What is it about GOT that attracts history nuts? The only other female fan I’ve actually met is also busy doing her masters in history.
    I’ve actually never read the Silmarillion. I finished LOTR the first time when I was 13 and tried SIlamrillion directly after that, was a bit too difficult then. Have been meaning to get around to reading it for years but never actually got there. Read Children of Hurin and the Legend of Sigurd and Gudrin though and I absolutely loved them.

  144. Aegon the Conqueror
    Posted July 31, 2012 at 6:29 am | Permalink

    Anne,

    Flying From SA to NZ back to SA to NZ again in the matter of 3 weeks? I don’t think there’s much hope.

  145. mags giantsbabe
    Posted July 31, 2012 at 7:32 am | Permalink

    Aegon the Conquerer

    Yes, that’s me, probably, although I wouldn’t know why it won’t show my profile pic. I haven’t gotten around to reading those yet, there are so many books I need to read right now. I still need to read aFfC.

  146. mags giantsbabe
    Posted July 31, 2012 at 9:00 am | Permalink

    Anne

    I hope they win, for your part! At least one of our swimmers already won a gold medal.

  147. Austin
    Posted July 31, 2012 at 10:57 am | Permalink

    Hey everybody, I’m a long-time lurker, but I’ve never posted until now. I don’t know if anyone has already posted this or not, but here are some pictures of Riverrun: http://hbowatch.com/photos-from-the-set-of-game-of-thrones-season-3-riverrun/

  148. Aegon the Conqueror
    Posted July 31, 2012 at 11:04 am | Permalink

    mags giantsbabe,

    Haha just don’t get your hopes as high as it was before you read aSoS and you’ll be fine. But really you should read them so you can join the rest of us in utter agony as we wait for the Winds of Winter. Ok Ill be sure to add you.

  149. Joshua Taylor
    Posted July 31, 2012 at 11:11 am | Permalink

    Austin,

    I saw them. I never thought I say this but the Tully trouts look badass!

    Off topic, has anyone seen the new Skyfall trailer? After the Hobbit, this is going to be the movie of the year. God bless Roger Deakins and his cinematography. Old school Aston Martin and walther PPK, Q, great women and an awesome villain, Craig getting more debonair like Connery….amazing.

    http://youtu.be/G2F_MrfdMLE

  150. Macha
    Posted July 31, 2012 at 11:24 am | Permalink

    mags giantsbabe,

    Ancient cultural history, you say, eh? Same here, more or less, though it’s been some time since I’ve finished mine.Aegon is right, we should start a club. ;)

    Austin,
    Oh I loved how they’ve painted them and how the colours seem a little faded, I bet the funeral scene will look amazing on screen.

  151. Gautam
    Posted July 31, 2012 at 11:40 am | Permalink

    Hi everyone first post in this forum. Saw the discussion about RW and PW. I think there is no need to do PW in episode 10 just to minimize the effect of RW. But i would definitely like to see lady Stoneheart with BwB to hang some frey in episode 10. This will definitely make up for RW.

  152. WompWomp
    Posted July 31, 2012 at 12:13 pm | Permalink

    Gautam,

    Welcome to WiC.net, home to ASOIAF fans of all stripes.

    You might want to censor a few more naughty bits of your post. You’ll have to copy/paste or manually type out the tags.

  153. Gautam
    Posted July 31, 2012 at 12:22 pm | Permalink

    WompWomp,

    Sorry i could not find edit button in my post. Can you tell me which part are considered spoiler so that i can black out those part or a moderator can fix this.

  154. Carcinogen
    Posted July 31, 2012 at 12:45 pm | Permalink

    Anything plot specific to book 3 would be considered a spoiler

  155. darquemode
    Posted July 31, 2012 at 12:47 pm | Permalink

    Welcome Austin and Gautam!
    Nice to see new folks posting!

    *Scans new posts for casting info on Daario, Mance and Vargo*
    *Sees nothing… sighs… and leaves for now*

    I guess Mance and Daario may not be filmed for a while so they may not be cast yet as GRRM mentioned about Mance a week ago…. I thought Vargo would be cast by now…… Oh well, back to football.

  156. WompWomp
    Posted July 31, 2012 at 1:53 pm | Permalink

    Gautam,

    Even certain acronyms are considered spoilery. WiC.net draws a lot of fans who know the series from the show. Some threads are deemed spoiler/reader-friendly, but most news threads are general threads, which calls for tags.

    No worries, you’ll get the hang of it. :)

  157. mags giantsbabe
    Posted August 1, 2012 at 5:00 am | Permalink

    Macha

    What did you do it on? Mine focuses on the vitae (Lives) of the Saints of Jerome. I look at asceticism from a spatial perspective. Yes, we should start a club, we can call ourselves Ancient Thronies :D

    Aegon the Conquerer

    I’ll be eagerly waiting for your friend request then (: my friend just read aFfC and she said it was slow, but highly enjoyable for her. I’m currently trying to finish Jurassic Park and Mockingjay, the third part of the Hunger Games trilogy.

  158. Aegon the Conqueror
    Posted August 1, 2012 at 5:48 am | Permalink

    mags giantsbabe,

    Invited you, don’t know if you got it if not feel free to add me Gerhard Obi-Wan van Staden.
    Always wanted to read Jurassic Park. I’m stuck on a re-read of aCoK, Azincourt by Bernard Cornwell, the Once and Future King by T.H. White and want to start the Dark Tower series, finally got my hands on a set. Think I’ve got too many fingers in too many pies.

  159. Macha
    Posted August 1, 2012 at 7:39 am | Permalink

    mags giantsbabe,
    Now that is something I’d definitely read!
    The discourse on self-mutilation and voluntary death in Ancient Rome, that’s what I toyed with. Bit dark for a three year project, but I had loads of fun with it. Good luck with your thesis, you’ve got a fascinating subject.
    Ancient Thronies, now that has such an old, wrinkly, hell! almost mummified feel to it. I love it! :)
    Aegon the Conqueror,
    Heh, you and I seem to have the same reading style. I’m an ultra-fast reader but somehow I always end up reading like 5 books at a time. Azincourt is on my to-read list since it was published, I never find the time for it though. I hear an adaptation is on the way, maybe that’ll give me the final push. Right now I’m trying to focus on a ASoS re-read and damn, this one is so well written. These guys have one hell of a job to do in adapting it, though, especially with the fans growing more merciless by each season.

  160. Aegon the Conqueror
    Posted August 1, 2012 at 10:44 am | Permalink

    Macha,

    Trying to balance 5 is quite a challenge and really slows one down.
    Azincourt is good so far, but is nowhere near as good as Lionheart by Sharon Penman far and away the best historical novel I’ve ever read.
    The once and future king is proving to be a “ponderous tome” so far and I’m wondering if it is worth the effort. It’s just a little too silly, childish, unrealisitc and historically incorrect (yes I realise it’s a fantasy novel, but really an Encyclopeadia Britannica 12th edition in the dark ages?)
    Upon second re-reading of aCoK I’m conviced that season 2 doesn’t do it justice. This being no fault of those who make it but rather blame can be placed at the door of the Budget and Time Constraints.
    Back to Agincourt, simply had to read it since its one of my favourite battles in history. One of those I wish I could’ve been able to partake in.
    Good news, if thngs go as I expect they will I will transfer to the US next year for rugby and change my studying direction into European History.
    I guess a small part of me thinks that if I immerse myself deep enough in history I’ll be able to escape the time we find ourselves in. Not a fan of the modern era, gunpowder ruined the true warrior. As Five for Fighting sings “Did you learn anything cause in the world today, you can’t live in a castle far away. He said Im big but we’re smaller than small. In the scheme of things , well we’re nothing at all.”
    And yes I realise it’s a barbarous age, but this one isnt much different either. Essay done.

  161. loco73
    Posted August 1, 2012 at 12:14 pm | Permalink

    Can’t wait for “Breaking Bad” to finally end, as for “Homeland”, yeah Claire Danes was good in an ok show who looks to turn to shit in the next couple of seasons just like “24″ did. Follow the storyline of the first season (which was good by the way) and you’ll see what I mean. The way they set-up the story nxt seson will blow

  162. Ours is the Fury
    Posted August 1, 2012 at 12:24 pm | Permalink

    I think Breaking Bad is a lot better than Homeland. Homeland had some fantastic episodes and then it had some very blah ones. The performances are excellent, and really carry the show. I agree it will probably turn to crap in the next couple years. I can already tell that they didn’t have enough to sustain a show for years. I think it would’ve been perfect for a short series like Generation Kill.

  163. Zack
    Posted August 1, 2012 at 12:45 pm | Permalink

    loco73,

    Ours is the Fury,

    I loved the first season, but I had the same feeling immediately after finishing. I just don’t see how they could stretch that concept past one season. 24 seems an apt comparison.

  164. Macha
    Posted August 1, 2012 at 1:10 pm | Permalink

    Aegon the Conqueror,

    Hmm, you might be interested in this collection of essays then. Hope everything works the way you want it to. ;)

  165. Aegon the Conqueror
    Posted August 1, 2012 at 3:11 pm | Permalink

    Macha,

    thanks. And oh my yes this is exactly up my alley!

  166. The Instrumentalist
    Posted August 1, 2012 at 4:11 pm | Permalink

    Gautam,

    I think it would make up for it too, but if they show UnCat too early I think it’ll be a downer for new viewers because we probably won’t see her again until season 5 or even 6 depending on how they split up AFFC and ADWD. Plus that whole issue with Brienne/Jamie/Cat is currently unresolved, so we don’t wanna speed that up too much ;)

    I’m hoping it’ll be at the end of the forth season and will end the adaptation of the third book, where it naturally was. It’s almost a real cheering moment after the PW business, where we find out LOL Cat’s in ur base, killin ur d00dz. Like a cherry on top, really… :3

  167. LOrd Mormont23323
    Posted August 1, 2012 at 9:14 pm | Permalink

    Ingemar Svensson,

    why would i donate to larry hes been a c@nt to a lot of people who watch his videos and get him his youtube money … he was funny his first season but on the second season he acted like he was doing everyone a favor when in fact he uses his you tube money to supplement his income and should maybe be a little humble rather than tell viewers to go f*ckthemselves …. and his idea for his comic totems is horseshit … for a guy who likes to call out alot of stuff predictable or cliche his idea of the totems and the animals is extremely cliche …. what hippocrat !!!!

  168. LOrd Mormont23323
    Posted August 1, 2012 at 9:18 pm | Permalink

    Lex,

    +1

  169. WildSeed
    Posted August 2, 2012 at 4:17 am | Permalink

    Aegon the Conqueror:
    Macha,

    Trying to balance 5 is quite a challenge and really slows one down.
    Azincourt is good so far, but is nowhere near as good as Lionheart by Sharon Penman far and away the best historical novel I’ve ever read.
    The once and future king is proving to be a “ponderous tome” so far and I’m wondering if it is worth the effort. It’s just a little too silly, childish, unrealisitc and historically incorrect (yes I realise it’s a fantasy novel, but really an Encyclopeadia Britannica 12th edition in the dark ages?)
    Upon second re-reading of aCoK I’m conviced that season 2 doesn’t do it justice. This being no fault of those who make it but rather blame can be placed at the door of the Budget and Time Constraints.
    Back to Agincourt, simply had to read it since its one of my favourite battles in history. One of those I wish I could’ve been able to partake in.
    Good news, if thngs go as I expect they will I will transfer to the US next year for rugby and change my studying direction into European History.
    I guess a small part of me thinks that if I immerse myself deep enough in history I’ll be able to escape the time we find ourselves in. Not a fan of the modern era, gunpowder ruined the true warrior. As Five for Fighting sings “Did you learn anything cause in the world today, you can’t live in a castle far away. He said Im big but we’re smaller than small. In the scheme of things , well we’re nothing at all.”
    And yes I realise it’s a barbarous age, but this one isnt much different either. Essay done.

    The battle of Agincourt stays in my memory too. I became obsessed to learn more as it
    was referenced heavily in Shakespeare’s ” Henry V “. I even watched the movie with
    Kenneth Branagh just to experience the battle on screen and in the field. I used to
    regard myself as history buff, but I’m more into epidemiology of diseases. In some
    regard there is a science to history as art is to science, everything is connected.

    I admire you and Macha with the number of books ( non academic) you juggle at
    a time, I need to digest the story before moving onto something new ( unless it’s
    a series ). During my studies and internship I have no idea how I juggled it all
    except the passion to learn more. It was really quite fulfilling. Good luck to you
    and Mags with your studies.

  170. mags giantsbabe
    Posted August 2, 2012 at 5:54 am | Permalink

    Wildseed and Macha

    Thanks Wildseed, (: I’ll sort of give an update. It’s going slow, juggling with a latin course and my part-time job. Macha, you had an excellent topic, I love the Roman world, would love to read you thesis. And thanks for thinking my topic is worthwhile, good to hear.

    Aegon the Conquerer

    I addore your taste in reading. Need to read more historic fiction / romance. I did not receive your request so I’ll invite you. I have a friend who did part of his honours course in History in the US. So hopefully it works out for you.

  171. Aegon the Conqueror
    Posted August 2, 2012 at 9:03 am | Permalink

    WildSeed,

    Thank you will keep you guys updated closer to the time, still a while away. I’m hoping maybe I can qualify for the USA national team and go to the Rugby World Cup that way.
    I actually first heard about the battle of Agincourt when I was 11 and playing Age of Empires 2. Ever since then been obsessed with it, the speech in Shakespeare’s Henry V remains one of my all time favourites!
    The reason why I juggle so many is I always have a book on my Blackberry so I can read wherever I am, that and I can’t seem to finish one book before I start with another. Sometimes it irratates me and I have to force myself. Like with Azincourt I had to force myself to finish GoT so that I could get to aCoK before I allowed myself to read Azincourt.

    Mags Giantbabe

    I’ll look for you on the field.
    Do yourself a favour and read Lionheart by Sharon Penman.

  172. Aegon the Conqueror
    Posted August 2, 2012 at 9:55 am | Permalink

    WildSeed,

    Oh update just found out I passed Biblical Greek, oh I’m done with that language for a long long time.

  173. loco73
    Posted August 3, 2012 at 11:20 am | Permalink

    Ours is the Fury,

    Oh yeah, buddy you did it, finally someone else mentioned “Generation Kill”. That was perhaps one of the best mini-series in a long while, not like “Band Of Brothers” or “The Pacific”, not lacking in quality, but because it was different in the same vein “The Wire” and “OZ”. David Simon and Ed Burns’s minds work on a different level and wave-length than most. It was an as honest and brutal look at war as possible for a TV show, achieved without demonizing the soldiers or presenting them as one-dimensional charicatures, but rather showing them in all their glory, the good, the bad and the ugly sides or all, plus the unforgiving and sometimes absurd nature of combat.

    “Homeland” is not even in the same universe as “Generation Kill”.

  174. loco73
    Posted August 3, 2012 at 11:27 am | Permalink

    Perhaps I sounded unduly harsh in my earlier comment on “Breaking Bad”. I cannot judge the show, as I have only seen bits and pieces, and the last thing I want to do is insult fans of the show without having seen it, without being informed and knowledgeable about any criticism made. When you insult people, I think, you should be well informed…just kidding! However knowing that AMC, just like HBO and Showtime, is one of the few networks that can boast a qualtiy line-up of shows, and seeing that AMC is home to my other favourite TV show, “The Walking Dead”, I can only make an educated quess as to the quality of “Breaking Bad” and as to why its fans are so loyal…

    I would like to point out one show, that few people seem to be aware of, not in the same vein of “Breaking Bad”, but great quality nonetheless, a great drama (and I think better than “The Sopranos”), a show that really flew under the radar of a lot of viewers and critics, and I think its their loss…that show was “Brotherhood”! It ran for three all too brief seasons on “Showtime” but at least it had some closure and resolutions to the different stories and characters!

    Great show and Jason Isaacs is just soo fucking good in it!

  175. darquemode
    Posted August 3, 2012 at 11:31 am | Permalink

    loco73,

    Agreed on Brotherhood!!

    Some of the scenes in Season 3 (I believe) where Isaacs deals with his head injury were simply AMAZING. That entire cast was great and I was sad to see it end after Season 3. I thought one more season would have been a perfect send off…..

  176. Macha
    Posted August 3, 2012 at 11:41 am | Permalink

    Brotherhood was an amazing series. Sadly, I didn’t see the second half of season 3, so I don’t know how it ended (must pick it up again one of these days), but that show had some brilliant acting all around.


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