Casting Rumors Speculation

Rumor: Noah Taylor and Burn Gorman join the cast

We have heard from a source that two more actors have joined the cast of Game of Thrones. Both Noah Taylor and Burn Gorman are rumored to be in Belfast, filming now, alongside other Night’s Watch cast members such as James Cosmo (Jeor Mormont), Mark Stanley (Grenn), John Bradley (Samwell Tarly) and Ben Crompton (Dolorous Edd).

Noah Taylor is a British-born Australian actor who has been in numerous films such as Charlie and the Chocolate Factory, The Life Aquatic with Steve Zissou and Lara Croft Tomb Raider. Most recently, he appeared in the mini-series Hatfields & McCoys. Burn Gorman was born in the States, but moved to the UK at a young age. He has appeared in the British TV series The Hour and Torchwood and, most recently, The Dark Knight Rises.

We do not know yet which roles these two actors have been cast in, but given who they are filming with, it seems a safe bet that they are amongst the group of Night’s Watch members that are under attack at the Fist of the First Men. It seems highly unlikely that either of these actors will be Mance Rayder, the one high-profile role yet to be cast. We have had no reports of the wildling cast members, such as Rose Leslie, Mackenzie Crook, or Kristofer Hivju, being in Belfast at this time. Not to mention that most, if not all, of Mance’s scenes will be shot in Iceland.

As usual, we have contacted HBO to see if they can provide confirmation of these rumors and provide us with info on what roles they will be playing.

Winter Is Coming: So two familiar faces, if not familiar names, join the cast. Who do you think they will play? Someone from the books or possibly some entirely new characters?

290 Comments

  • hmmm… maybe of them is Ottyn Wythers. Gorman reminds me a little of Chett or maybe another of the Betrayers

  • ohh… didn’t read the nights watch thing. I feel like Noah would be brought on as an ongoing role… not just a throw away night’s watchmen would gets killed at the fist.

  • I was thinking maybe they were beefing up the roles of the Night’s Watch renegades for the mutiny, giving them more lines and having it be focused on a few actors rather than a scattered, less memorable bunch of people.

    Either way, they’re both awesome so it’s very exciting news.

  • I think they have to establish the animosity between some NW members and Mormont that leeds to attack on him at Craster s.Perhaps that was the main reason to cast those two.

  • I’m thinking we’re seeing Chett and Lark the Sisterman, or perhaps one of the Garths. They won’t be betrayers this time, but probably will be established early as troublemakers within the group, culminating in the slaughter at Craster’s keep.

  • Definitely thinking Chett and one of his lackeys.

    The past two seasons have shown Jeor to be reasonably well-liked. Or at least not actively disliked. They’re going to have to show a few dissenters in order to make the Craster’s Keep scene plausible.

  • I was thinking maybe Donal Noye for Gorman. He doesn’t go on the ranging, and probably won’t figure prominently into season 3, but should be a pretty big role in season 4, so they might want to introduce him during season 3, especially if Season 3 culminates and season 4 begins with Jon returning to The Wall and having to convince people he’s not a traitor. Of course, Noye gets killed off shortly after, but he’d be a very important character during this time.

  • Both these guys were in The Dark Knight rises. And who didn’t love Littlefingers little Cameo?

    I think either would make a good Vargo for different reasons.

  • DaveB,

    So is Burn Gorman, as it happens. The current filming rumors point toward the Night’s Watch, but it’s interesting. Gorman is a very good singer (and beatboxer, apparently).

  • I agree with the speculation above, I think they’re NW renegades.

    As an aside, I would be thrilled if Waymar Royce appeared in the first episode of series 3!

  • If that’s the roles they’re cast in (as most of us suspect) then it’s kind of a waste. Taylor would have been great as Mance, and Gorman was made to play Ramsay.

  • I think that Taylor will play Thoren Smallwood who will butt heads with the Old Bear and Gorman seem’s like one of the mutineers!!!!

  • Good for Burn! I LOVED him on Torchwood and was sad he got killed out… like 80% of the cast… all except the annoying Gwen character… DAMMIT.

  • Is it too early for Bowen Marsh? I’m only familiar with Gorman, from Torchwood and the Hour, and he seems to be too big for a bit character.

  • The problem with suggesting Bowen Marsh is that he needs to be the one left in charge of the Wall. He can’t go on the ranging because he’ll be killed and then who would be the main adversary for Jon in the fifth/sixth seasons?

    Nah. Due to the rangy looks of both actors I stick by my original prediction.

  • Let me elaborate; since up until now they’ve left out any kind of dissent in the Night’s Watch ranks, they’re gonna have to introduce it this season, and it’s likely going to be a big plot point. So for those saying that Chett, Lark, the Garths or other NW roles are “too small”, I think they’ll be extended. Hell, Mackenzie Crook is playing a character with no lines and only one scene in the novels, so obviously that’s an extended role.

  • Well, technically, in show canon, we don’t know who was left in charge of the wall. Maybe it was Pyp! Bowen could be at the ranging, have some scenes with the dissenters, and then escape w/ Grenn and Co. If they want to foreshadow his betrayal of Jon in Book 5.

    But I agree it’s more likely they are Chett & the Gang.

  • That Gorman dude looks like a doll or something. Like…he’s not quite human, but like someone’s idea of a human.

  • Ellen,

    I’ve read somewhere that actor playing Pyp will be back this season, but I don’t remember where, so don’t believe it. I may be wrong, becasue it was a long time ago…

  • Josh Parker,

    The only problem with this is that the Fist is already being attacked. How much time and story can really elapse before those who survive the Fist regroup at Craster’s to develop these roles? I suppose they could overlap the timeline a bit, showing what’s going on with these characters before the three horn blows, and show a bit of the attack and failed defense itself, but aside from Sam doing his slaying, this would be expensive, difficult to pace so early in the season, and largely unnecessary. Maybe they could hang out at Craster’s for a bit longer than in the books? It almost seems the way they’ve done it, the mutiny has to be a bit more organic and less pre-meditated than in the books. You’ve just been attacked buy a crapton of dead people and ice demons, are you really going to be thinking about planning a mutiny?

    Here’s a possibility if they want to rework the story–fast foward to after the attack. Those loyal to the NW regroup at Craster’s. Meanwhile, a splinter group that had deserted plans to raid Craster’s for provisions. When they realize the main contingent has regrouped there, they feign a late arrival, only to surprise attack/mutiny later. This would allow the characters to be developed separately, having conciously deserted prior to arriving at Craster’s, and allow this storyline to progress a bit further throughout season 3, rather than have it happen as quickly as it happens in the book. The main contingent of NW could spend most of Season 3 at Craster’s, collecting stragglers, taking advantage of an increasingly irritated Craster, until things come to a head towards the end. Then you just basically pick up Sam’s story from there in season 4, including meeting Coldhands and traveling through the Black Gate and encountering Bran.

    Or these two could be Bowen Marsh (a bit reimagined, but I can definitely see it) and Donal Noye (as I suggested above), respectively. I’d be fine either way.

  • YES YES YES! We finally have our Cotter Pyke!

    The ambiguity of all these new casting updates really has my panties in a bunch. Please give us confirmations like we had in years past HBO.

  • Burn Gorman aka Guppy, the most despicable and annoying character from the Bleak House tv series, cast in Game of Thrones, my favourite show… I don’t know how I feel about that.

  • Interesting indeed!
    Both somewhat high profile actors to play bit roles as Nght’s Watchmen….. So I assume one or both will be fairly major players this season and maybe survive the Battle at the Fist of the first Men.

    Mallador Locke comes to mind for Gorman… as does Thoren Smallwood. I think Noah Taylor would be an interesting Cotter Pyke!

    IF they were not filming along the other NW actors I would say we had our Vergo Hoat and Shagwell!

  • I have loved Noah since he was young David Helfgott in “Shine”. Great actor.

    Saw the other guy in Dark Knight Rises. Meh.

  • IF they are NW at the Battle of the Fist I don’t think they would be Donal Noye. Wasn’t he back at Castle Black?

    They could easily tweak their roles and locations of course…… Hmmmm….

  • Word to this.

    darquemode< I think Noah Taylor would be an interesting Cotter Pyke!

    IF they were not filming along the other NW actors I would say we had our Vergo Hoat and Shagwell!

  • bon,

    Very true!
    Castle Black is staged in Ireland isn’t it?

    That could mean they are not part of the band fighting at the Fist, but are part of those left behind at the wall.

    That makes sense and opens up the larger roles for sure! Guess we need more info as to what scene is being filmed exactly before we can guess who they are….

  • So WIC says that Mance Rayder is the only big part yet to be cast. Did I miss something, has Vargo Hoat been cast?

  • They gotta be the guys murdering the old bear. I think there’ll be one or two scenes of them slogging through the snow after the esacpe from the fist, where they question the lord commanders authority, before the showdown at Crasters. Sam is the only none conspirator that witness the betrayal, before he runs of with Gilly. Later they could pose as Jons adversaries in the election, giving Sam more reason, that the views can easily follow, to not wanting them elected.

  • Winter,
    can we assume that they will be filming the majority of the scenes beyond the wall in Iceland later this Fall, including the Battle of the Fist?

  • Rygar,

    Both Taylor and Gorman are small aren’t they, like 5′-8″ or 5′-9″ tall and relatively trim?
    I cannot see either as Noye personally, but who knows….

  • I think it is highly unlikely we will get Donal, considering that they gave one of his most poignant scenes to Tyrion is S1. The scene where Donal breaks up the fight between Rast, Grenn, Pyp, etc and then kinda puts it to Jon as a “show off” due to his upbringing at Winterfell really initiated Jon’s respect and adoration for Donal, making the pivotal scene at Castle Black later on, more meaningful. Transposing this to Tyrion means that they will really need to beef up the role if they do cast him to make an impact later on.

    Methinks they will just cut it out altogether.

  • darquemode:
    Butterbumps,

    No confirmation on Vargo Hoat being cast, but some assume Tom Brooke might be playing Hoat. Much more speculation on his role in this thread.

    Come on.. just the thought of actors lining up to lisp “sapphireth…” would be priceless. Vargo is a done deal. On a side note, wouldn’t it be hilarious if that IS the line they make the actors act out hahaha.

  • Rygar,

    It does not matter in this place, probably… if they want to have him now he will be despite the fact he was’t in season 1…

  • Butterbumps,

    No, but Winter said “High-profile” which isn’t the same thing as “big.” Vargo is a lesser supporting character. Mance has been mentioned for two seasons and big name actors have been mentioned for the role.

  • I remember seeing Burn Gorman in TDKR and thinking “wow! Who is this guy” whoever up thread said he looks like an aliens idea of a human is spot on- he’s a one person example of the uncanny valley effect! great thing to have for a character actor. It brings some menace despite his slight figure.

    Being Australian I adore Noah, he’s very well known here and beloved of top directors around the world. I could see either as Mance as based on the West speculation this follows the age/ less tough guy looking casting Nina and KLB are going for.

  • bon,
    I disagree. Donal and Jon have a brief but special bond that culminates later at Castle Black. I cant use spoilers so I hope you know what I am referring to. Thats such a great scene in the book and it would be hard to give it justice without more Donny and Jonny together time prior to that event.

    Someone please add spoiler tags if I am giving anything away here.

  • Ours is the Fury: Omar Brown, Noah wasn’t in TDKR- that was Ben Mendelsohn who bears a striking resemblance to him.

    as an aussie growing up watching Noah Taylor and Ben Mendelsohn films I used to always get them confused – one of my favorite old aussie films from my early years called Metal Skin has Ben Mendelsohn in the lead and for years i thought it was Noah Taylor – i still cant get used to the idea that Taylor wasn’t in that film :)

  • Oh Wow !… I know Burn Gorman form Wuthering Heights 2009 movie with Tom Hardy. He plays Hindley, very creepy guy, excellent actor. He’ll be good guys…and he’ll be an antagonist of some sort.

  • Taylor was also in “The Proposition”. We need the entire cast of that flick in GoT. Danny Huston as Euron!

  • bon:
    Ellen,

    I’ve read somewhere that actor playing Pyp will be back this season, but I don’t remember where, so don’t believe it. I may be wrong, becasue it was a long time ago…

    Yes, Josef Altin has confirmed he will be returning as Pyp in season three.

    Butterbumps:
    So WIC says that Mance Rayder is the only big part yet to be cast.Did I miss something, has Vargo Hoat been cast?

    No, Vargo hasn’t been cast yet. But I don’t consider that character to be very “high-profile”, certainly not a large enough role to be getting a “name” actor. We already know they are looking at name actors for Mance.

    darquemode:
    Winter,
    can we assume that they will be filming the majority of the scenes beyond the wall in Iceland later this Fall, including the Battle of the Fist?

    Yes, I would assume so. The exception being stuff they will film at Craster’s Keep. Last season Craster’s was filmed at Clandeboye Estate, near Belfast. As it happens, we’ve had reports of them setting up for filming at Clandeboye recently. The timing of which aligns perfectly with all these actors being spotted in Belfast and seems to suggest they will be filming the mutiny at Craster’s Keep very soon.

  • ok didn’t read all the comments, if I repeat I’m sorry….
    maybe one of them is mance ryder…. maybe they’re filming his backstory with the nights watch, instead of having him telling it to jon verbally….

  • Does the fact that there are several Night’s Watch characters filming in Belfast right now necessarily mean that Taylor and Gorman are filming alongside them? Could they be filming other things in studio, or even just visiting the set before they film or head somewhere else in Ireland to film?

  • Omar Brown,

    Actually only Gorman was in TDKR, you’re thinking of Ben Mendellsohn, he looks just like Noah Taylor, speaking of Mendellsohn he would have been a perfect Vargo, he even has a lisp!

  • Noah makes me think of the Goat for a reason, and yes Mr. Guppy from Bleak House!!!!! i loved him in the dark knight (where aiden gillen also appeared) and i will love him in Got! <3

  • Winter Is Coming,

    Ahhh, ok.
    I assume they will be conspirators like others stated then and maybe not NW back at the Wall.

    Taylor would be an interesting Lark the Sisterman. Wasn’t he nervous-eyed with sharp features? From what I recall Softfoot was a little man, Gorman fits that. So many of those conspirators have such vague descriptions almost any actor could fit and many of the small roles could easily be combined into a existing conspirator or even a new role like you mentioned in the post.

    If they choose to keep a name or two from the books and enhance the roles like they did with casting Mackenzie Crook as Othell and not Varamyr, I like the name Softfoot and Lark the Sisterman more than some of the others..

  • Based on our experience with the adapting of the names, I’d guess we’ll see simple names for the NW like Chett and Lark, without the Sisterman. S2 had Polliver basically doing everything Raff the Sweetling did in ACOK, and Orell is a way less interesting name than Varamyr, but then Varaymyr does sound like Faramir. The showrunners like simpler versions of the names, it seems.

  • I really hope there’s a way they could be brave companions, Taylor as Vargo, and Gorman as Shagwell or Septon Utt! Certainly fits their somewhat unorthodox looks

  • Ours is the Fury,

    D’oh!
    Of course Crook was cast as Orell not Othell… was in my brain from thinking of Night’s Watch members I guess.

    I thought Crook would be Orell instead of Varamyr when trying to think of Wildlings he could be before the casting news because of the name and Crook having a “bird-like” appearance. I think Sixskins begs to have a backstory told as to how he got the name (which the book did in an awesome way, but the series won’t have time to do) , Orell is simple like you stated, and it streamlines how mnay animals the character can warg into and therefore how many have to be filmed or created in CGI..

    You’re probably right about Lark losing “the Sisterman” if they chose his name and character to use. I still like Softfoot though… not sure why. The name just amuses me! XD

    Plus, whenever I hear “Chet” I think of Bill Paxton as the bastard brother in Weird Science! XD

  • Well, a woman thinks that any new casting news is good news no matter which characters the newbies are playing. They both appear to have experience and are well-loved by fans here, so bring ’em on! They both do have rather intense gazes in those pics, which may imply unhappy men of the NW, or BWB, or even Ironborn? Just because they’re filming near or at the Painthall doesn’t really confine them to being NW since there are many indoor scenes all over the realm that could be on the film schedule now, no?

  • Jim: That Gorman dude looks like a doll or something. Like…he’s not quite human, but like someone’s idea of a human.

    My wife and I are just starting Torchwood, and she refers to him as “Weird Face Guy.”

  • Ours is the Fury: So is Burn Gorman, as it happens. The current filming rumors point toward the Night’s Watch, but it’s interesting. Gorman is a very good singer (and beatboxer, apparently).

    I definitely agree with the idea that they’ll be Night’s Watch dissenters in expanded roles, though.
    Though..Taylor doesn’t strike me as fitting that kind of role. He’s a FANTASTIC actor, one of my all time favorites (no joke, been following him since “The Year My Voice Broke”). Great range, but seditious? I don’t doubt he can probably pull it off, it’s just a departure from my view of him.

  • Burn Gorman has been on my GOT casting wish list for a while now so I’m ridiculously pleased with this tidbit of news, particularly if he’s playing Night’s Watch.

  • I’ve really liked Noah Taylor ever since I saw Flirting. When I saw him In that movie I thought he looked just like Nick Cave. He was in a music video for The Bad Seeds and then he was in The Proposition, which was scored by Nick Cave. Wouldn’t it be cool if Nick Cave did a song for GoT, say a certain Bear and The Maiden Fair?

  • Some of you mentioned Bowen Marsh. Here‘s an interview, where Brian Fortune, the guy who played Marsh in S1, mentions, that he’s returning for S3. Whether he was told that by his friends who’ve read the book, or the showrunners, I don’t know.

    And more on topic; I’m wondering what they’re shooting in Belfast. Craster’s keep #2? If so, I’m glad, because I always figured, they’ll just kill off the Old Bear during the Fist of the First Men attack, considering how they left Craster in the series. About the roles, I’m also pretty sure, those two will be the main face and voice of NW mutineers. Or, one of them could also be one of the good guys. Dywen, maybe.

  • Ser Lemon Cakes: I remember seeing Burn Gorman in TDKR and thinking “wow! Who is this guy” whoever up thread said he looks like an aliens idea of a human is spot on- he’s a one person example of the uncanny valley effect! great thing to have for a character actor. It brings some menace despite his slight figure

    Kind of like Jude Law’s character in Spielberg’s AI.

  • Noah Taylor is brilliant, and….GUPPY!! Heh, I can’t believe it, this is fantastic news! I was watching The Hour just the other day, wondering how cool it would be for Mr. Kish to find his way into this show. He’s brilliant, and would have also made a great Ramsay.

    Come to think about it, I’m not so sure the Battle at the Fist will be filmed in Iceland. I’m pretty certain a sound stage will be required for it. Just think of the visual effects and choreography – this will involve a lot of takes, green screen etc. I’m thinking it’ll be a mix of locations, at best.

  • jkb:
    shit, the guy at the bottom is a spitting image of my ramsay bolton ;/

    I too thought about Ramsay the first time I saw that photo. He might be thinner than Ramsay is described as but he has that look that he could be insanely creepy on the inside.

  • Pepi,

    Fortune said: “I’ve been told I’m returning for season 3 and I’ll believe it when I’m on set and the director calls “ACTION.”

    To me that reads, people told him Bowen reappears. It doesn’t sound he was actually booked again for the show at the time, since he won’t believe it quite yet. That may have changed since March, of course.

  • Omar Brown,

    I read somewhere they were asking for one armed men at casting calls… however , I do know they use amputees for battle scenes sometimes…

  • Ours is the Fury,

    Yes, I think so too. And based on previous experiance, the role will probably be recast. Given the actor’s enthusiasm, however, it would be nice if he’d reprise the role for S3.

  • I don’t see them using an actor like Noah Taylor in a role like Chett or Lark (something that really would only be 2-3 episodes even if they expanded it). He’s been a well-regarded character actor since the mid-1990’s when he was in Shine. So I will predict that he will be an amalgam of Bowen Marsh and Cotter Pyke . . . i.e. he is there to escape Craster’s after the mutiny, is back at Castle Black when Jon arrives and helps Jon defend the Wall, maybe is the person who is sent to Eastwatch to rally men and ends up bringing Stannis, and is one of the candidates in the choosing that Sam “tricks” into supporting Jon, then later on is the one who ultimately betrays Jon. I just see them meshing a lot of this stuff into one character. Or, maybe I’m completely wrong and Taylor’s schedule only allowed for him to be in a couple of episodes as a NW mutineer like Chett.

  • OMG BURN GORMAN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Love love LOVED him in Torchwood. He was my favorite character/actor in that show!!! AHHHHHHHHHHHH I’M SOOOOOO HAAAAAAPPPPPPPPPYYYYY!!!!!!!!!!!!! Okay, i haven’t read the article yet, just saw his name. Who does he play again? *reading reading reading*

  • On the topic of Bowen Marsh:

    I e-mailed the actor’s agent a month ago and she said they had not heard anything about season 3.

    So unknown at that point.

  • Connie:
    Good for Burn! I LOVED him on Torchwood and was sad he got killed out… like 80% of the cast… all except the annoying Gwen character… DAMMIT.

    Whoa TW spoiler. Not there yet :(

  • Anyone know if Peter Vaughan (Maester Aemon) will be returning for season 3? One of the drawbacks of this gargantuan cast is that I always fear for actors who are unable to return and in some cases are consequently recast. We’ve seen it with disastrous results with the Mountain. Also Clive Mantle has been unable to be in seasons 2 or 3. Thankfully Ian McElhinney and Josef Altin will be returning.

  • Aemon,

    To what “disastrous results” are you referring? The no negative consequences but for the unreasonable complaining by people on the internet, is that what you mean?

  • Jim:
    Aemon,

    To what “disastrous results” are you referring?The no negative consequences but for the unreasonable complaining by people on the internet, is that what you mean?

    I am referring to my opinion of the Mountain’s inferior portrayal in season 2. I forget, is this a fan-site, or are we allowed to criticize here?

  • There’s a difference between expressing an opinion and mentioning something like that as if it’s some kind of established, indisputable fact. What, specifically, in your opinion, were the “disastrous results?” Keep in mind “I didn’t like it” doesn’t exactly count as “disastrous results,” it counts as “I didn’t like it.”

    “Disastrous results” implies that something…well, disastrous resulted from it, like ratings or viewers dropping, cancellation, anything at all that’s actually a negative effect aside from your personal dislike, which no one but you could possibly have reason to call “disastrous.”

  • Yeah, ‘disastrous’ does imply a much broader event than just you not liking the new actor while 95% of the viewing audience didn’t even notice it was a different guy.

  • Dear Master of Comments section,

    Please find attached my amended post, according to your specifications. I hope that this update is less upsetting for you.

    Anyone know if Peter Vaughan (Maester Aemon) will be returning for season 3? One of the drawbacks of this gargantuan cast is that I always fear for actors who are unable to return and in some cases are consequently recast. We’ve seen it with results that I personally did not care for very much, nonetheless I accept that others may hold opinions that differ greatly and they are of course welcome to feel that way, their opinions are valid too, in fact even more valid than mine since mine are “unreasonable”, with the Mountain. Also Clive Mantle has been unable to be in seasons 2 or 3. Thankfully Ian McElhinney and Josef Altin will be returning.

  • Ours is the Fury:
    Yeah, ‘disastrous’ does imply a much broader event than just you not liking the new actor while 95% of the viewing audience didn’t even notice it was a different guy.

    That’s an interesting statistic. 95% you say? Where did you get that number?

    Or were you just exaggerating, much like I did when I used the word “disastrous”?

  • many people disliked the new mountain. i am not steve austin by any stretch but this new guy is a bit of a broomstick. lack of shoulder pads didn’t help either. especially since the original mountain was a total badass.

    his voice kinda made up for it tho ;p

  • Aemon,

    It’s a rough estimate based on the half-dozen people I’ve seen complain about Gregor, and the hundreds/thousands I’ve seen not care or notice. So the number is probably more like 99%.

  • I think it might be because no one knew he was actually the mountain, and just came off as a regular soldier in Tywin’s service

    Ours is the Fury:
    Aemon,

    It’s a rough estimate based on the half-dozen people I’ve seen complain about Gregor, and the hundreds/thousands I’ve seen not care or notice. So the number is probably more like 99%.

  • Ours is the Fury,

    The non-readers I watched with didn’t realise he was supposed to be the same character as ‘the crazy horse killer’. And didn’t especially care.

    The otherwise brilliant costume department could have done better there I think- if Gregor had worn his tourney armour (I know, not perfect, but it’s distinctive) he would have been obviously the same character- and the design of that armour makes whoever wears it look bulkier.

  • Superdeluxe,

    Yeah, I didn’t notice he was the mountain while watching. Was disappointed with Conan’s leaving, but it was understandable. There certainly is a lot of tension for one person’s way of wording…

  • Superdeluxe:
    I think it might be because no one knew he was actually the mountain, and just came off as a regular soldier in Tywin’s service

    Shinyteapot,

    The non-readers I watched with didn’t realise he was supposed to be the same character as ‘the crazy horse killer’.

    This has been my experience as well.

  • YvyB,

    Gods be good, please let it be him! I love his quote to Jon, sadly un-used in the show:

    “ “Robert was the true steel. Stannis is pure iron, black and hard and strong, yes, but brittle, the way iron gets. He’ll break before he bends. And Renly, that one, he’s copper, bright and shiny, pretty to look at but not worth all that much at the end of the day.” ”

  • Omar Brown:
    YvyB,

    Gods be good, please let it be him! I love his quote to Jon, sadly un-used in the show:

    ““Robert was the true steel. Stannis is pure iron, black and hard and strong, yes, but brittle, the way iron gets. He’ll break before he bends. And Renly, that one, he’s copper, bright and shiny, pretty to look at but not worth all that much at the end of the day.””

    I love that quote too only I thought it was maester Cressen that spoke it to Davos.
    Now I’ve gotta look it up { a worthwhile effort } :D

  • Ours is the Fury:
    Aemon,

    It’s a rough estimate based on the half-dozen people I’ve seen complain about Gregor, and the hundreds/thousands I’ve seen not care or notice. So the number is probably more like 99%.

    I noticed the difference between the two actors and questioned whom the Lannister
    men addressed while at Harrenhal. Yet forgot when Tywin showed up on his destrier
    to question the prisoners and the guards. IMO the S1 Gregor made such an impression
    onscreen that I don’t notice anything else, that fixated image remains.In S2 I only
    concerned myself with his deeds and the men assigned under him so my seeing him
    really didn’t matter. News of his sociopathic cruelty stretched out fear far beyond his
    physical appearance. He was a nightmare just in imagining. Of course my opinion
    may change in much later seasons for the………. you know.

  • YvyB:
    Omar Brown,

    Yeh , that’s a great line. Very astute too :)

    There were several wise and insightful individuals there. I do hope GRRM include
    more in Book 6 , especially after………

  • I think he will be a bigger charater whether it is Bowen Marsh or expanding one of the other NW role. .

  • Holy hell, it’s Guppy in GoT. Very pleased about that. He’d make a pretty good Bowen Marsh…

    Shinyteapot:
    Ours is the Fury,

    The non-readers I watched with didn’t realise he was supposed to be the same character as ‘the crazy horse killer’.And didn’t especially care.

    The otherwise brilliant costume department could have done better there I think- if Gregor had worn his tourney armour (I know, not perfect, but it’s distinctive) he would have been obviously the same character- and the design of that armour makes whoever wears it look bulkier.

    Yeah, that’s happened with people in my circles too.

    I dunno, recasting an actor shouldn’t be a dealbreaker for anyone. These things are inevitable on a multiyear commitment like GoT. I just wish they’d got somebody who could be as physically imposing as the guy they’d lost. Armor and creative editing can go a long way, but having a terrifying specimen of a guy actually on the screen, requiring less smoke-and-mirrors trickery…I have to think it’s going to result in a less memorable certain upcoming confrontation.

    Whatever, though. Very little of the show can actually meet or surpass the imagination. I’m sure whatever we get will work out fine.

  • I still think that both of these guys could be playing non-nights watch roles, Gorman’s face is very recognizable right now with the success of TDKR, and Taylor is a fairly well known character actor, Chett and Lark are throwaway characters who figure to have little screen time, and I doubt Marsh or Noye will appear til late in the season if at all, so I really think these guys have a good shot at being Bloody Mummers, why couldn’t they be seen in Belfast and be filming other indoor scenes?

  • jkb,

    I liked the fact that Ian’s mountain appeared taller on screen at least than Stevens, he wasn’t near as menacing though, I’m also pretty sure his voice was dubbed fwiw

  • Nice to see some Donal Noye fans! I thought I was the only one. Who would your dreamcasting for him be? I think Robbie Coltrane ( Hagrid from Harry Potter) would fit him well.

  • Omar Brown,

    As much as I love Donal I doubt he gets much screen time if any at all, certainly not played by anyone high profile, Robbie Coltrane would be a fantastic addition to the show though, he would have made a good Tormund

  • Omar Brown:
    Nice to see some Donal Noye fans! I thought I was the only one. Who would your dreamcasting for him be? I think Robbie Coltrane ( Hagrid from Harry Potter) would fit him well.

    Yes! A woman agrees with you that Robbie Coltrane would be an awesome Donal Noye, change the hair up a little and BOOM, done. Make it so Nina!

  • Dunno if anyone else noticed or posted this before but this should probably take away any doubt: looking on Iwan Rheon’s IMDB page it now says this in his Filmography section:

    Game of Thrones (TV series)
    Ramsay Snow
    – Episode #3.1 (2013) … Ramsay Snow

    http://www.imdb.com/name/nm3701064/

    =D

    Claudiu Gherganu: That would be a big waste on them on their parts to cast Rheon in some shitty minor character instead .

  • Welcome to the cast gentlemen! Hey, funny to see the “death by exile” guy! Wonder what role he’ll play, given the fact that he got his ass kicked by Catwoman, and even worse Ann Hathaway Catwoman…maybe he’ll play Hot Pie-on-a-diet…

    Ughhhhh saying Ann Hathaway Catwoman…is like driking liquid Drano then trying to light your farts on fire…

  • Ah didn’t realize that before, guess it’s the wikipedia of movie and tv information.
    Still, it’d be a shocker if it would not be him.

    havok_:
    Dennis,

    IMDb is user-edited so, no, it doesn’t mean anything.

  • Dennis:
    Dunno if anyone else noticed or posted this before but this should probably take away any doubt: looking on Iwan Rheon’s IMDB page it now says this in his Filmography section:

    Game of Thrones (TV series)
    Ramsay Snow
    – Episode #3.1 (2013) … Ramsay Snow

    http://www.imdb.com/name/nm3701064/

    =D

    Isn’t imdb also fan-made though? Don’t remember how it works.

    On the topic of whether they’re playing some red herrings on casting – quite possibly, but I think it’s still a safe bet that Iwan is Ramsay.

    I think they’re just leaving the announcements of Ramsay, Mance, Daario and Vargo as late as possible, to both avoid angry backlash (which will happen from some fans no matter what) and also keep the fans hungry.

  • jkb,

    That guy is way too soft looking to play Ramsay Bolton, perhaps THE most “pure evil” person in the series so far.

  • Chickenduck,

    I have heard that Jesse Williams has been cast for daario. He def looks the part overall though they will have to make him much rougher around the edges

  • Josh Parker,

    True I’m really hoping this season doesn’t change too much like season 2 did from the books, due to events and characters being left out so far
    darquemode,

    just because they may only survive one season doesn’t mean they won’t take the role. Sean Bean is a pretty well known actor too.. And he took the role before he even knew if the show would be a success Now w the show being the newest craze, I’m sure any high profile Actor would be willing to play someone who doesn’t live all that long…

  • loco73,

    Since you put it out there I will gleefully stir the pot and say that I thought Anne Hathaway’s Catwoman was awesome. And I am not the biggest Hathaway fan either. ;-)

  • Really happy with Noah’s inclusion… especially since it t’was I who spotted him about a month ago, who want’s to touch me :-)

    I’m pretty sure that the Fist of the First is an Iceland location, basically any time you see an ice field that’s going to be Iceland while any time you see an interior (whether it be the inside of a tent even) that’s going to be the paint hall. So I can’t see why Belfast filming at this stage would rule anyone out of potential casting.

    A guy in my office has been a Night’s Watch extra on both seasons and he has seven days at the end of August. His previous filming has been Castle Black and Crasters. I’ll be sure to get what gossip I can from him in the coming weeks!

  • Dfg421:
    Chickenduck,

    I have heard that Jesse Williams has been cast for daario.He def looks the part overall though they will have to make him much rougher around the edges

    That’d be a great casting choice if true!

    The question with Daario in my mind was always how extreme they go on the makeup. Done badly, the blue and gold whatnot and the moustachios etc would look like a fairly crappy pantomime pirate.

    So hopefully they can get the mix right and have him swashbuckling and gaudy, yet keep it believable that Dany wants to go there.

    He’s got incredible eyes and a fairly unique look overall… One Swedish and one African American parent, with a bit of Seminole in the mix for good measure. I never got into Grey’s, but my wife did, and will surely be excited!

  • have heard that Jesse Williams has been cast for daario.He def looks the part overall though they will have to make him much rougher around the edges

    Wow! Perfection if true! I wonder if he gets some kind of EU acting pass if he has a Swedish Mother?

  • Dfg421:
    Chickenduck,

    I have heard that Jesse Williams has been cast for daario.He def looks the part overall though they will have to make him much rougher around the edges

    Oh My! I haven’t herd of this actor so I Googled… my eyes did a Roger Rabbit!! He is beeeautiful! That ‘s a yes from me … fingers and toes crossed :)

  • Dfg421,
    oh yeah? you seen the guy who actually got casted as ramsay? in ‘misfits’ he’s a cute little nerd ;p

    edit: ‘Your comment is awaiting moderation’ what is this now? -_-

  • Wait and see if any hard evidence pops up before we get too excited. He was on a few fan favorite lists for Daario, but I haven’t been able to find anything beyond fan speculation via google as yet.

    I’d vote for him to be a great Daario though.

    Thinking back on it, a lot of the characters actually looked kind of cartoony and ridiculous in my head (especially Daario and the Greyjoys). Casting real live humans in the roles helps me out here…

  • Jesse Williams is a regular on Grey’s Anatomy, which shoots about 22 episodes per season. I really doubt he’d have time for another show right now. Plus he’s American. I think this is just a fan’s wishful thinking.

  • Set Dingleberry:
    jkb,

    I liked the fact that Ian’s mountain appeared taller on screen at least than Stevens, he wasn’t near as menacing though, I’m also pretty sure his voice was dubbed fwiw

    Ian Whyte is certainly more than tall enough. If the voice was dubbed, that doesn’t mean it wasn’t him- actors often re-record their lines in a sound studio, so anything that hasn’t been picked up by outdoor microphones etc can be dubbed over.

    Had it been up to me, I’d have had Whyte play a different (but still terrifying) Lannister bannerman and just mentioned that the Mountain is off killing peasants or whatever else he likes doing. Then they could have either asked Stevens to return or recast with a stuntman, since in future series Gregor’s role will be physical only. But I’m sure there was a good reason for the decision, and hopefully as the story progresses everyone will get used to the recast.

    Dfg421,

    Where did you hear this? No offence intended, if it’s a reliable source then it’s less likely that this is someone pulling your leg. If it’s imdb, anyone could have added it (like Fury says, probably from wishful thinking).

    Do we know when Dany’s scenes will be filmed? I suppose Daario will need to be cast sometime soon if he’s not already? And more importantly, Strong Belwas :)

  • Anne Hathaway’s cat woman was the best executed part of TDKR. Writing, acting, directing – they took a character who almost always comes off ridiculous and made her enjoyable and absolutely fit to the tone.

    While I like Harry potter, I have no urge to see any actors from there in Got. The association is not one they should be making.

  • Highly, HIGHLY doubt Jesse Williams will play Daario or that he was ever even in consideration for the role. Like Our is the Fury stated, full-time role on Grey’s and he is filming a movie right now. Plus, while he’s been okay in a couple roles, he is nothing like Daario in my mind.. completely wrong look. I’m sure that counts for little to Nina Gold though! XD

  • Rutep,

    While that video didn’t have me in stitches we are seeing our very own Arya Stark next to Patrick Stewart and even Simon Pegg. Excuse my language, but it’s good shit.

    I also want to add in here that Maisie is HUGE. Does this growth spurt mean she will be catching up with her (on-screen) sister or is Sophie Turner still turning into a giant?

  • Alan,

    I think there are a number of actors outside of the core kids in the Potter series I would not mind being cast. There were some seriously great actors in that cast (mostly in supporting roles). Not to mention some Potter actors already cast in Thrones Like David Brantley as Walder Frey and Natalia Tena as Osha

    I know some people have those actors in their Potter roles imprinted in their minds, but most were pretty big departures from their normal appearance and heightened caricatures more than real dramatic roles.

    Maybe it’s just me, but I NEVER watch Jason Isaacs in a role and think “That’s Lucius Malfoy!”

  • snapbackd,

    Maisie Williams is all of 5-feet nothing and Sophie is 5′-9″ last I heard…. I’m not sure miss Williams will be catching up very much any time soon… or ever! XD

  • Dfg421,

    Obviously you have never seen him act and are just going off the picture, which doesn’t really represent what he looks like when his face actually moves. He’s a genuinely creepy guy, who looks, as many have said here, like an alien’s idea of a human or a golem or something. He would RULE as Ramsey, and he’s way too weird to be Satin.

  • Not that I think he’s Ramsay. We know Iwan Rheon has been cast in that role, plus Gorman is obviously a Night’s Watchman.

    Honestly, if these guys are anything other than Chett and Lark (or Garth, but I think they’ll use Lark), I’ll be surprised.

    In the book, Chett and Lark are conspirators to kill Mormont and head south. This plot element is obviously not going to be included, because as soon as readers are made aware of Chett and Lark’s plans, the NW are attacked by White Walkers. Since we’ve seen the beginning of that attack, already, I think the story is going to be changed somewhat.

    Chett and Lark don’t survive the White Walker attack, but here, they could, since they haven’t been introduced yet. Several of the Brothers in Black do survive, Mormont, Sam, Edd and Grenn among them. They then make it back to Craster’s Keep, terrified, exhausted, hungry, bitter and angry. After rumors get started that the Old Bear knows Craster has extra food that he’s withholding fromt the Brothers, they kill Craster, and the Old Bear.

    In the series, it won’t be hard at all to expand Sam’s story a bit by showing the extended aftermath of the attack; Chett and Lark growing more bitter and angry as they travel south, just sure the Old Bear is holding out on them, and leading them to ruin, and then they start the issues at the Keep.

  • Westeros forums are trying to access my router like a trojan. They are probably under cyber attack or recently attacked, only been doing it for past few days, but anyone who can detect it can’t post, which sucks. So I am forced to post here for help as Westeros probably doesnt even know there is a problem.

  • Mrs. H’ghar’s Twin,

    Yes, and Orell in the novels has no lines and has already been killed and stuck inside his bird at this point. In other words, it doesn’t matter what minor characters’ roles were in the books. They can be expanded upon or act as composite characters, as I detailed.

  • Mrs. H’ghar’s Twin: Having a Night’s Watchman plan mutiny with no buildup is a bit jarring

    Well, okay, but I did suggest that this wouldn’t be a planned mutiny.

    See, obviously there’s no planned mutiny this time, but they have to give Sam a bit more of a beefed-up plot, since otherwise all he’ll have is a few scant scenes. Part of the plot could be the remnants of the NW who survived the attack facing death by freezing and starvation, with Chett and Lark, or whatever names they use, being the leading voices of dissent: “The Old Bear led us up here to die! We never asked for this!” And then…Craster’s Keep, which I’m thinking will happen in about episode 6 or thereabouts.

    And yes, Orell will likely be a composite character, probably taking the place of not only Varamyr, but maybe Jarl, Harma and possibly Styr. But then, Chett and Lark (if those are the names they use) can be stand-ins for the Garths, and other troublemakers within the NW.

  • Joshua Taylor: Since you put it out there I will gleefully stir the pot and say that I thought Anne Hathaway’s Catwoman was awesome. And I am not the biggest Hathaway fan either. ;-)

    Well, she certainly stole every scene she had with Christian Bale Batman.

    …I really hate Christian Bale batman… “I’M BATMAN CAN YOU HEAR MY VOICE IT IS BATMAN VOICE BATMAAAAAAAN”

  • darquemode:
    Alan,

    I think there are a number of actors outside of the core kids in the Potter series I would not mind being cast. There were some seriously great actors in that cast (mostly in supporting roles). Not to mention some Potter actors already cast in Thrones Like David Brantley as Walder Frey and Natalia Tena as Osha

    I know some people have those actors in their Potter roles imprinted in their minds, but most were pretty big departures from their normal appearance and heightened caricatures more than real dramatic roles.

    Maybe it’s just me, but I NEVER watch Jason Isaacs in a role and think “That’s Lucius Malfoy!”

    Yeah, you’re right. I was thinking specifically of Robbie Coltrane, the kids, and some of the other high profile adults.

    Jason Isaacs would be fine, as well as some of the other minor adults.

    But anything where I tie the actor to Harry Potter is just not a good fit to me. Harry Potter is great, but its fantastical in nature, about as opposite from ASOIF as another fantasy can be. Coltrane as Hagrid is a goofy caricature, and that works for Harry Potter.

  • Omar Brown:
    YvyB,

    Gods be good, please let it be him! I love his quote to Jon, sadly un-used in the show:

    ““Robert was the true steel. Stannis is pure iron, black and hard and strong, yes, but brittle, the way iron gets. He’ll break before he bends. And Renly, that one, he’s copper, bright and shiny, pretty to look at but not worth all that much at the end of the day.””

    Thanks WiC for the correction for my mistake.
    Omar Brown or Wic, help me out for a moment. In ACOK maester Cressen spoke
    similar descriptions of Stannis, Robert and Renley. I am undoubtedly reviewing
    all the wrong pages for the quote, is there a easier way to find it ? Thanks are in
    order if you find this post :D

  • Omar Brown:
    Nice to see some Donal Noye fans! I thought I was the only one. Who would your dreamcasting for him be? I think Robbie Coltrane ( Hagrid from Harry Potter) would fit him well.

    I found another quote by Donal Noye ( while looking up your earlier post and maester
    Cressen’s to compare ) I’d nearly identified with Tyrion : Jon says to Donal ” They hate
    me because I’m better than them” Donal replies ” No. They hate you because you act
    like you’re better than them “. I’d admit GoT tweaking made for a good bonding
    moment for Tyrion and Jon, albeit a clever quote first used by Donal Noye. I do
    hope Robbie Coltrane is up to the task of portraying him. The arm…. bit is easy
    for the makeup/prosthetics dept. It’s been a long time since I read the books, thanks
    for having me recall this Black Brother and armorer.

  • WildSeed,

    Well, from the top of my head at the start of book 2 Maester Cressen recalls the Baratheon boys growing up around him. How Stannis was stern even as a boy and Renly liked to sing songs. I gotta look it up for a direct qoute tho.

  • I always thought that Vincent Perez (The Crow) would make a perfect Daario Naarhis. I also think making him slightly older and more experienced would work better with Dany.

    He is also a very gifted and talented actor who’d probably make the role more favorable…

  • Omar Brown:
    WildSeed,

    Well, from the top of my head at the start of book 2 Maester Cressen recalls the Baratheon boys growing up around him. How Stannis was stern even as a boy and Renly liked to sing songs. I gotta look it up for a direct qoute tho.

    Thanks Omar.

    Josh Parker :
    I’ve never heard of this actor, what’s he starred in of late ?

  • WildSeed,

    McNally plays Captain Jack Sparrow’s first mate in most of the Pirates of the Caribbean movies. I think his role is Gibbs, but I’m not certain.

    He also played the newcomer on Downton Abbey last year, Mr. Bryant. The father of the officer who fathered a bastard baby with Downton’s maid.

  • darquemode:
    WildSeed,

    McNally plays Captain Jack Sparrow’s first mate in most of the Pirates of the Caribbean movies. I think his role is Gibbs, but I’m not certain.

    He also played the newcomer on Downton Abbey last year, Mr. Bryant. The father of the officer who fathered a bastard baby with Downton’s maid.

    Oh yes, he would be brilliant ! I petition for his vote as Donal Noye. I like the ” Hagrid”
    guy but this is a clear win. I hope he is a fan of GoT :D

  • Omar Brown:
    WildSeed,

    Well, from the top of my head at the start of book 2 Maester Cressen recalls the Baratheon boys growing up around him. How Stannis was stern even as a boy and Renly liked to sing songs. I gotta look it up for a direct qoute tho.

    Well I started there too but kept missing the quote. As of this afternoon ( PST ) I dared
    to travail Westeros Forum Heading : Steel Iron and Copper. There I found
    a debate thread about who said it ( as well as why GRRM chose them as POV
    characters ) : Donal Noye or maester Cressen? The moderator correctly added that
    it was Donal the armorer. It’s ironic that others had the same confusion but the quote
    given at the Wall would be appropriate for a man like Noye to say .
    I’ve made a few mistakes here at WiC with misunderstanding certain historical facts
    has named in his other writings ( for instance I referred to poster Aegon the Conquerer
    as Aegon V and Jory Cassel as ser Rodrik’s son ) or misquoted ASOIAF. It is perhaps
    a reminder that I read through these books like I was starving. I’m looking forward
    to re- reading all 5 before the new book is published. You don’t suppose GRRM has
    heard the shouts of many to have it ready by 2013 or 2014 ? That was a jape for sure :D

    Oh and I’m just finished the ” Hedge Knight” and about to begin ” the Sworn Sword “.

  • loco73:
    Welcome to the cast gentlemen!Hey, funny to see the “death by exile” guy!Wonder what role he’ll play, given the fact that he got his ass kicked by Catwoman, and even worse Ann Hathaway Catwoman…maybe he’ll play Hot Pie-on-a-diet…

    Ughhhhh saying Ann Hathaway Catwoman…is like driking liquid Drano then trying to light your farts on fire…

    I thought she was pretty much the only decent thing about that movie.

  • WildSeed
    I read through these books like I was starving.

    I feel so identified with this! And I’ve often misremembered too, or not remembered at all certain “little” things like the famous peach for example. Don’t usually re-read books but will deff. make an exception for ASOIAF. Plan to re-read it before the next one comes out. (*finger’s crossed, check. *legs crossed, check. *eyes crossed, trying.*) Given my memory skills, I’ll have to!

    I certainly hope they include in the show Donal Noye and his unforgettable ;) quote.

  • WildSeed,

    Love Dunk and Egg!
    It’s odd how much the Tales of Dunk and Egg really enhance ASOIAF despite being 1100 previous to the Saga. One can get so much insight and context from the short stories… I am eagerly anticipating the next novella… whenever that release may be.

  • WildSeed:

    Oh and I’m just finished the ” Hedge Knight” and about to begin ” the Sworn Sword “.

    Ok, I looked online last night as I too would like to read Dunk and Egg… Can anybody tell me why ” Hedge Knight” is £200 !?! is it written in gold? :\

  • Tír Airgid: I feel so identified with this! And I’ve often misremembered too, or not remembered at all certain “little” things like the famous peach for example. Don’t usually re-read books but will deff. make an exception for ASOIAF. Plan to re-read it before the next one comes out. (*finger’s crossed, check. *legs crossed, check. *eyes crossed, trying.*) Given my memory skills, I’ll have to!

    I certainly hope they include in the show Donal Noye and his unforgettable ;) quote.

    It’s a must really. I had the same issue with the Harry Potter books ( although there
    was less information to challenge you unlike ASOIAF ) when I reread them I felt
    wiser and truly affected. I’m also a note taker and record personal questions and
    thoughts. However I get so engrossed in the story at some point and just read
    instead. The one HP fan promotion thing that I found useful was their note/log
    book, a $ 5 item that I used as a journal. I wish GRRM & company would consider
    a practical item like that. I’m in the medical field and I can assure you that no
    human remembers everything, we are surrounded by reference books to review
    once the patient has left the room ( oops, that’s a secret ! )

  • darquemode:
    WildSeed,

    Love Dunk and Egg!
    It’s odd how much the Tales of Dunk and Egg really enhance ASOIAF despite being 1100 previous to the Saga. One can get so much insight and context from the short stories… I am eagerly anticipating the next novella… whenever that release may be.

    So much vital information is included here. It really should be a prerequisite or at
    least promoted more. If there wasn’t a casual mention of it at WiC or Westeros
    website I may not have taken interest. Ironically it was Wikipedia that helped
    me narrow down the many written versions since the original and select the
    books to purchase. The task was tedious and frustrating to sort through Amazon
    and a few Independent Booksellers that I buy from locally. There was actually a
    $$$ price tag of $ 150 for ” The Hedge Knight ” that I laughed so hard my stomach
    ached. I hope they never make that sale or no fool succumbs to their scam. I fared
    well with my costs and selections but I’m still searching for ” The Mystery Knight”.

  • WildSeed,

    If you want I can email you the digital version on the promise that you do indeed buy yourself a hardcopy. It is an amazing story that I sincerely hope will become a series.
    yes the several mistakes you have made were really funny, but you have plenty of time to recitify that as re-reading all five before the next book comes out is really easy. I’m thinking you can do 4 or 5 actually. Though saying that makes me feel very depressed!

  • YvyB,

    If any man (woman) within this domain has other matters to set before his Grace let him/her speak now or go forth and hold his/her silence.

  • Aegon the Conqueror,

    I’ve heard GRRM say in different interviews that he does plan on more novellas on Dunk and Egg. Depending on which interview somewhere around 5 (or as many as 9 more) addtional short stories that will cover all of Dunk and Egg’s life.

    Also once he finishes the fourth installment (currently in progress) it will be released in another anthology like the previous versions and then sometime after that there will be an official Dunk and Egg book with the first 4 short stories included. At least according to what GRRM said on his ADWD book tour.

    Also for anyone that wants the short stories. Amazon has all 3 available for just over $40.
    http://www.amazon.com/Warriors-George-R-R-Martin/dp/0765320487

    http://www.amazon.com/Legends-Stories-Masters-Modern-Fantasy/dp/0765300354/ref=pd_bxgy_b_text_z

    http://www.amazon.com/Legends-II-Dragon-Sword-King/dp/034547578X/ref=pd_bxgy_b_text_y

    If you go to each book’s page you can find more used and new versions to buy too.

  • darquemode,

    Yes also heard the same thing, which is why I’m hoping for an entire series. The novellas are short enough so that one episode can cover each book. Number 4 will probably be released end of this year or beginning next.

    YvyB,

    I previously stated that I would be willing to email digital copies of the novellas to people under their solemn oath that they will buy copies for themselves as to not rip off our favourite writer.

  • Aegon the Conqueror:
    darquemode,

    YvyB,

    I previously stated that I would be willing to email digital copies of the novellas to people under their solemn oath that they will buy copies for themselves as to not rip off our favourite writer.

    Ahhh I just thought that was aimed at a specific person…. Anyhoo I ‘ll order the mixed book now I know what I’m looking for . Cheers tho :)

  • Aegon the Conqueror,

    Ohhhh you meant a TV series! XD
    I read it as you wanting more of the short stories… Ooops.

    Yes it would make for a good mini-series event as a stall tactic if the TV series catches up to (or passes) GRRM.

  • Aegon the Conqueror:
    WildSeed,

    If you want I can email you the digital version on the promise that you do indeed buy yourself a hardcopy. It is an amazing story that I sincerely hope will become a series.
    yes the several mistakes you have made were really funny, but you have plenty of time to recitify that as re-reading all five before the next book comes out is really easy. I’m thinking you can do 4 or 5 actually. Though saying that makes me feel very depressed!

    Did you read my post to Omar Brown ? So glad I confessed, I had no idea I had been
    sniggered at !LOL !! Well I’m studying to win any trivia question in the near future :D
    Actually I’ve done well here by the occasional corrections I’ve made here at WiC
    to certain posters. But I’m quite ignorant of a few pertinent facts so I must read
    more and enjoy every moment of it.
    As I’d mentioned, I have now ” the Hedge Knight” via the hard bound version of
    “Legends” AND ” The Sworn Sword ” from a paperback titled ” Legends II”. I also
    purchased ” Dreamsongs II ” but I forget whether that included a duplicate of the
    2 mentioned or “Mystery Knight ” ? I think not though so I may need a copy of
    The Mystery Knight. Thank you for the digital version offer but I prefer a hard
    copy. In the future I plan to get a iPad because my MacBook Pro is a bit heavy
    to use in the place of a book ( and I also have that pesky Autoimmune Arthritis
    issue to exacerbate the issue is discomfort ). IMHO ser George must include
    additional Dunk and Egg books for the future because 100 years is a long gap
    from ASOIAF. Did you really laugh at some of my innocent blunders ? Did you
    realise that I am a descendant of the “Children of the Forest”? my height is a
    gigantic clue :D

  • Aegon the Conqueror:
    YvyB,

    If any man (woman) within this domain has other matters to set before his Grace let him/her speak now or go forth and hold his/her silence.

    My Grace, do allow my lady YvyB speak, she has shown true character and has
    shown empathy for such an ignorant speed reader such as myself. The Seven
    wills it my Grace. BTW how are you 2 sisters faring? :D

  • WildSeed,

    Hmmm now the seed refference makes sense as well as the height my short friend.
    Yes I politely looked past the Jory is Rodricks son statement, but could not let the one about Egg go.
    Actually depending on your phone you can probably put the book on there. Always have adigital version of some book on my phone as that allows me to read any time I want.
    Agreed on YvyB, I have indeed found her to be both amusing and entertaining.
    Well I will keep silent on the sister issue seeing as that’s the one point that freaks me out a little bit, plus I don’t think my girlfriend will like it very much. She tends to become a dragon rather than ride one Im afraid.
    On a different previous topic, wanted to ask you, on the Maroon 5 parody song (suppose this depends on which version you have) do you also find yourself unabashadley singing along with the “ducky of awesome” part? ROTFL!

  • Aegon the Conqueror:
    WildSeed,

    Hmmm now the seed refference makes sense as well as the height my short friend.
    Yes I politely looked past the Jory is Rodricks son statement, but could not let the one about Egg go.
    Actually depending on your phone you can probably put the book on there. Always have adigital version of some book on my phone as that allows me to read any time I want.
    Agreed on YvyB, I have indeed found her to be both amusing and entertaining.
    Well I will keep silent on the sister issue seeing as that’s the one point that freaks me out a little bit, plus I don’t think my girlfriend will like it very much. She tends to become a dragon rather than ride one Im afraid.
    On a different previous topic, wanted to ask you, on the Maroon 5 parody song (suppose this depends on which version you have) do you also find yourself unabashadley singing along with the “ducky of awesome” part? ROTFL!

    Re: Maroon5 Parody, I found the “key of awesome” quite annoying so I purchased it
    from iTunes for $0.99 and play it at my leisure. As for your marriage, I believe every
    mistress and kingdom dweller is aware of their allegiance to your grace and the realm.
    They may not speak of it openly or perhaps willingly suffer because of it but it seems
    cruel to remind them of that rule. It is their duty is all. Note that I do not include
    myself with the aforementioned , as we of the first inhabitants do. As an descendant
    of the ” Children of the Forest”, we do not bend the knee to the descendants of the
    ancient Valyria. May the old Gods grant you wisdom and peace in the ensuing years.

    Oh, did you see my earlier rebuttal post to the guy who posted my mistake about Yory?

  • darquemode:
    Aegon the Conqueror,

    I’ve heard GRRM say in different interviews that he does plan on more novellas on Dunk and Egg. Depending on which interview somewhere around 5 (or as many as 9 more) addtional short stories that will cover all of Dunk and Egg’s life.

    Alsoonce he finishes the fourth installment (currently in progress) it will be released in another anthology like the previous versions and then sometime after that there will be an official Dunk and Egg book with the first 4 short stories included. At least according to what GRRM said on his ADWD book tour.

    Also for anyone that wants the short stories. Amazon has all 3 available for just over $40.
    http://www.amazon.com/Warriors-George-R-R-Martin/dp/0765320487

    http://www.amazon.com/Legends-Stories-Masters-Modern-Fantasy/dp/0765300354/ref=pd_bxgy_b_text_z

    http://www.amazon.com/Legends-II-Dragon-Sword-King/dp/034547578X/ref=pd_bxgy_b_text_y

    If you go to each book’s page you can find more used and new versions to buy too.

    Yes . I believe I ned to buy ” Warriors” to add to my collection for ” The Mystery Knight”.
    Together WikiPedia and Amazon customer reviews taught or gave me vital facts on
    which version to purchase or avoid. Thanks for posting this here for everyone to see.
    I posted some weeks ago this info when someone queried about one of these books
    but never received it feedback if she made her purchase find as I did. I’m tech-
    challenged so embedding info is one bridge I haven’t crossed yet. I’ll need to consult
    with my 10 y/o nephew once again for a lesson :D

  • WildSeed,

    Fair point, though a part of me always hoped there were still hidden pockets of Children still living south of the wall under the King’s laws.
    Haha no I noticed it when you first made the mistake, but politely left it.

  • YvyB: Ok, I looked online last night as I too would like to read Dunk and Egg… Can anybody tell me why ” Hedge Knight” is £200 !?! is it written in gold? :\

    Make sure you read darquemode’s post.

  • Aegon the Conqueror,

    In addition to having noble ancestry, I have the honor of reading works by respected
    Science Fiction writer Octavia E. Butler. My name embodies both COTF and WildSeed
    attributes . I know you are strapped with studies and already reading other works,
    but I encourage you to look into the ” Xenogenesis Series” ( about Lilith ), ” Wildseed”
    is sort of a science fiction/historical series. My favorite of her writings is ” Fledgeling”.
    Happy reading and challenging opponents to duels ( a small tree branch will do to
    sparr with your girlfriend ) .

  • WildSeed,

    Just finished the triumphant Tywin in the throne room chapter. Must say I’m very sorry about two things the series left out. 1 Josmyn Peckledon a 14 year old squire who killed two knights, wounded a third and captured two more! Ok I know there was no way he was ever gonna make it but still that’s flipping badass! 2 Joffrey throwing a temper tantrum about accusations that he is not the real king and cutting himself quite badly on the Iron Throne, thereby proving he is not the rightful king. Very powerful moment and would’ve given Joff haters something to smile over.

  • Aegon the Conqueror:
    WildSeed,

    Just finished the triumphant Tywin in the throne room chapter. Must say I’m very sorry about two things the series left out. 1 Josmyn Peckledon a 14 year old squire who killed two knights, wounded a third and captured two more! Ok I know there was no way he was ever gonna make it but still that’s flipping badass! 2 Joffrey throwing a temper tantrum about accusations that he is not the real king and cutting himself quite badly on the Iron Throne, thereby proving he is not the rightful king. Very powerful moment and would’ve given Joff haters something to smile over.

    I remember the bit with Joffrey, it brought out his whiney side and proved he is no god.
    I feel that scene worked better that sadomasochistic Joff.

  • WildSeed,

    Embedding links is easy, but not really intuitive at first glance so I can’t blame you for not knowing how to do it.

    Just 5 easy steps…
    Step 1: Copy the link you want to embed in your comment
    Step 2: Begin your comment and click and drag the corsur over the word or words in your comment that you want to embed the link behind to highlight them.
    Step 3: Once they are highlighted click on the “link” button at the top of the comment box.
    Srep 4: Paste your copied link into the pop up entry blank.
    Step 5: Click “OK”

    Of course you can use the HTML tags below too, but the button generates them automatically for you so it is easier for many people.

  • darquemode,

    Greetings darquemode, I’ve just returned from perusing the Amazon site and noticed
    some insane person has listed ” the Sworn Sword ” for $ 328.00. I couldn’t laugh
    this time. Unlike many who shop online, I prefer to touch and review items I’d buy.
    The internet was a tool to do comparison shopping and a bit of research to be
    efficient with my time. I also like buying locally and grateful for the many resources
    here in the SF Bay Area. When I found myself undergoing a long convalescence in
    my home, I moved to online activity as a option. I made a mistake and purchased an
    item on Amazon that was marked up 200%….when I found out I petitioned but found
    out about the no return policy from the seller, Amazon could not help or remedy the
    situation. I wrote a scathing review of the seller and haven’t seen his ” business ” listing
    any other items. Phew what a lesson! I’m sure IvyB will find her books, I was incredibly
    green at the time.

  • darquemode,

    I will write this down and practice…..somewhere. Titrating acids to bases seem
    much much easier than these instructions but I must learn ( presumedly to
    become a knight someday) :D

  • darquemode,

    I really hope they do, him crying for his mother and staggering around makes his statements about killing Stannis and Robb seem much funnier. Also I love the design of the Iron Throne, looks amazing but I can’t help but think that they made it a bit more benign for safety reasons I guess? Can’t see someone cuting themselves by just sitting on it.

  • WildSeed,

    You know, when the Targaryen backstory piles up too much in my head and I begin confusing the names, I always end up referring to this illustrated family tree. You might have already seen it, but I thought I’ll share just in case it since I find it very handy.

    darquemode,
    Thank you for taking the time to show the link thing. BTW I’m also hoping for some form of the throne scene to make its way next season. It’s such a telling visual!

    Aegon the Conqueror,
    Maybe he can bang his fist on it forcefully while making some silly remark on how he’s gonna rain hell on someone else and thus cut himself?

  • Tír Airgid,

    You see the reason why it was so telling is because it happened right after one of Stanni’s captured bannermen (florent, I think) proclaimed him to be a false king. Him cutting himself on the throne causes the bannerman to tell the entire court that even the throne denies him.

  • […] Former Torchwood star Burn Gorman, who also had a key henchman role in The Dark Knight Rises, and Charlie and the Chocolate Factory and The Life Aquatic actor Noah Taylor have both reportedly been spotted on set recently. Specifically, they have reportedly been seen filming in Belfast with various Night’s Watch members, including James Cosmo as Jeor Mormont and John Bradley as Samwell Tarly. Since they are filming in scenes in Belfast instead of in Iceland, the current speculation is that Gorman and Taylor are playing fellow Night’s Watch members under attack at the Fist of the First Men. [Winter Is Coming] […]

  • WildSeed:
    darquemode,

    I’m sure IvyB will find her books, I was incredibly
    green at the time.

    Had a look last night on Amazon and the legends is still a bit expensive for the sake of one story :( No second hand ones here either… tried second hand on American side but they won’t post to UK. Booooo! Ho hum , I ‘ll just keep trying :)

  • WildSeed: My Grace, do allow my lady YvyB speak, she has shown true character and has
    shown empathy for such an ignorant speed reader such as myself. The Seven
    wills it my Grace.

    Lol

  • YvyB: Had a look last night on Amazon and the legends is still a bit expensive for the sake of one story :( No second hand ones here either… tried second hand on American side but they won’t post to UK. Booooo! Ho hum , I ‘ll just keep trying :)

    How frustrating ! Hopefully another poster here may be of some aid ( especially in your
    area ) to suggest other options.

  • YvyB,

    As previously stated I would be happy to mail the novellas to you until a solution presents itself.

  • Tír Airgid:
    WildSeed,

    You know, when the Targaryen backstory piles up too much in my head and I begin confusing the names, I always end up referring to this illustrated family tree. You might have already seen it, but I thought I’ll share just in case it since I find it very handy.

    darquemode,
    Thank you for taking the time to show the link thing. BTW I’m also hoping for some form of the throne scene to make its way next season. It’s such a telling visual!

    Aegon the Conqueror,
    Maybe he can bang his fist on it forcefully while making some silly remark on how he’s gonna rain hell on someone else and thus cut himself?

    Mayhaps Aegon the Conqueror will take notice of these insights and grant us all
    some mercy .
    darquemode had a interesting thought that GoT may add the Iron Throne cut in the
    upcoming season. Aegon I perspectives note excellent reasons for the inclusion.
    I did like the inclusion of his getting whiney at the “Blackwater” episode , Lancel
    delivering a message from mama Cersei to come home. That was brilliant, yet I
    agree he should suffer some dishonor in front of his court as well.

  • YvyB: Ok, I looked online last night as I too would like to read Dunk and Egg… Can anybody tell me why ” Hedge Knight” is £200 !?! is it written in gold? :\

    That’s probably the Graphic Novel version.

    The Hedge Knight can be found in Dreamsongs Volume 2, an anthology of GRRMs work that is on amazon.co.uk for £6.99

  • YvyB,

    Happy Birthday and Best Wishes! :)

    You know? I always thought that Westerosi namedays didn’t necessarily match birthdays, because I associated it with our own world practice in several cultures of not naming children straight after they are born but some time after. I have zero book evidence for this, though.

  • Tír Airgid:
    YvyB,

    Happy Birthday and Best Wishes! :)

    You know? I always thought that Westerosi namedays didn’t necessarily match birthdays, because I associated it with our own world practice in several cultures of not naming children straight after they are born but some time after. I have zero book evidence for this, though.

    Thank you :)
    Think that was just the Wildlings .

  • YvyB,
    You’re right, the Wildings did have that! But I don’t remember if it was something that seemed strange to the rest of the people in itself or because in their eyes the Wildings waited “too long”.

  • YvyB:
    Mormegil,

    Really? ! What a sweetheart! Going to check that out … Woosh >>>>>>>

    Make sure it’s the HardBound copy , I was warned by the Amazon customer reviews
    that the paperback does not include the ” Hedge Knight”, I’m not sure but I believe
    WikiPedia mentioned that too. I ordered the hardbound copy of ” Dreamsongs vol 2″
    for a very reasonable $ 15.00

  • Tír Airgid:
    YvyB,
    You’re right, the Wildings did have that! But I don’t remember if it was something that seemed strange to the rest of the people in itself or because in their eyes the Wildings waited “too long”.

    Samwell thought it was strange when Gilly mentioned it. Jon needed reminding
    as well in ADWD. I’m still learning about the Targaryeons but the info about
    the Wildlings is clear.

  • YvyB,

    Happy name day, had mine four days ago. You must just yell if you can’t wait and want me to email it in the meantime.

  • WildSeed,

    Ah yes the scene where Lancel tells him his mother requests him is priceless. The look on his face when Tyrion tells him he should lead and he realises for all his brave talk he has no balls is incredibly well acted by Jack. It’s one of my favourite scenes in season 2. But alas still not humiliation in front of the nobles he wants to rule. Hopefully they’ll find some way for it to be included in season 3, a way that will make it obvious to everyone the Targeryen Throne deems him unfit to rule in the same way it did Aerys.

  • Aegon the Conqueror:
    YvyB,

    Happy name day, had mine four days ago. You must just yell if you can’t wait and want me to email it in the meantime.

    Wo ho ! Fellow lion and dragon ( born in the year of the dragon) :)
    Erm well Wildseed seems to think maybe the one I’ve ordered doesn’t have it in :\
    So I may still take you up on that !

  • YvyB,

    Thought this would help too, the Wiki source I referring to is ” a Wiki of Ice and Fire”
    I was directed there when I performed a general search and I believe it’s actually
    the website Westeros. When I looked up ” the Hedge Knight ” to start, all of the
    versions/ isbns/book jackets ,etc appeared below. I was grateful for the clarification
    because I hate returning items because of misinformation. The Amazon review was
    helpful but Wiki of Ice and Fire gave me all the information I needed for all the “Dunk
    and Egg” stories. Happy reading :D

  • Aegon the Conqueror:
    WildSeed,

    Ah yes the scene where Lancel tells him his mother requests him is priceless. The look on his face when Tyrion tells him he should lead and he realises for all his brave talk he has no balls is incredibly well acted by Jack. It’s one of my favourite scenes in season 2. But alas still not humiliation in front of the nobles he wants to rule. Hopefully they’ll find some way for it to be included in season 3, a way that will make it obvious to everyone the Targeryen Throne deems him unfit to rule in the same way it did Aerys.

    Exactly, we’re on the same page .

  • YvyB:
    WildSeed,

    Aw cheers! I ‘ll check that out too :o)

    Quickly before your master knows you’re gone ! I will distract your grace while
    you’re away. Watch out for the shadow cats! Mrs H’ghar says she spotted a couple
    just 3 days hence. Godspeed and may the old Gods and the New protect you.

  • YvyB,

    Well if you need it…Kings aren’t very difficult to find. Just shout when, gimme your email and tell me which one you want.

  • YvyB: WildSeed, Oh ! I’ve ordered it now :\ . . But it did let me look in side and it was listed on contents. . fingers crossed .

    Don’t worry the one I linked to does contain The Hedge Knight, I have the same version, though I first read THK in Legends back when that was first published around 1999 which was my introduction to the world of Ice and Fire.

  • Mormegil: Don’t worry the one I linked to does contain The Hedge Knight, I have the same version, though I first read THK in Legends back when that was first published around 1999 which was my introduction to the world of Ice and Fire.

    Great! I hope she gets it soon then and no more worries. I located the book I want
    too ” The Mystery Knight “. All of you guys have been great here. I hope the rumor
    of upcoming Dunk and Egg books is true.

  • Mormegil: Don’t worry the one I linked to does contain The Hedge Knight, I have the same version, though I first read THK in Legends back when that was first published around 1999 which was my introduction to the world of Ice and Fire.

    Really? How cool , to start from the very beginning!

  • WildSeed: Great! I hope she gets it soon then and no more worries. I located the book I wanttoo ” The Mystery Knight “. All of you guys have been great here. I hope the rumorof upcoming Dunk and Egg books is true.

    The fourth story should be out soon. It’s set to be published in an anthology called Dangerous Women. Dunk and Egg go to Winterfell. Martin has talked about doing quite a few of these — I think nine was mentioned — perhaps going all the way in the story to Summerhall.

  • WildSeed:
    Samwell thought it was strange when Gilly mentioned it. Jon needed reminding as well in ADWD.

    I know a handful of couples who waited a week or two before officially naming the child (in most cases because they were still trying to sway each other on a particular name or because they couldn’t decide on a spelling) and who would also find it strange if someone else waited years to do so, but… I’m clutching at straws.
    I think you’re right, and birthday and nameday for the non-wildings are meant to signify the same event. So there goes my theory. And I’ll have to find another excuse in my attempt to peddle a second birthday party next year. :D

  • Tír Airgid,

    Yeah no I don’t like that idea, cause then people like you get to have two parties, but people like me get only one. Naming day and birthday being the same.

  • Alan,

    The Dunk & Egg stories need to be collected in a single volume, considering how crazy it is trying to find a legitimate copy. I wonder what might the chances be of persuading Mr Martin to make it happen. I’d really like to read them, and with a new story coming out, time seems to be right.

  • Zack,

    Martin has stated that after the fourth one comes out they will be made available in a single hardcover collection. The man is way ahead of you!

  • Tír Airgid: I know a handful of couples who waited a week or two before officially naming the child (in most cases because they were still trying to sway each other on a particular name or because they couldn’t decide on a spelling) and who would also find it strange if someone else waited years to do so, but… I’m clutching at straws.
    I think you’re right, and birthday and nameday for the non-wildings are meant to signify the same event. So there goes my theory. And I’ll have to find another excuse in my attempt to peddle a second birthday party next year. :D

    LOL. My aunt tried that once until one of us caught on. Since she nor any of her
    siblings have written birth documents. My mother’s birthday is celebrated as ” Bastille”
    Day. Imagine if one them were born the day ” London Bridge Comes Falling Down”,a
    rather stupid song I heard when I came to the States. Anyway I believe Birthdays
    may be celebrated any day of the year by those whom hold you affectionate ( family
    and friends of course). I may be a stranger but I wish you a wonderful name day.

  • Aegon the Conqueror:
    Zack,

    Martin has stated that after the fourth one comes out they will be made available in a single hardcover collection. The man is way ahead of you!

    Yes but not soon enough, have you seen the different versions that appear on “A Wiki
    of Ice And Fire ” on Westeros’s site ? I had a headache even after digesting the correct
    ISBN and book jackets that apply. I would hope it’s being done as we speak. May it so,
    there needs to be a royal edict !

  • A really cool factoid I just learned in a Wiki ASOIAF reference from AFOC is that
    ” Brienne has her shield painted with the arms that match Duncan the Tall’s…”
    I wonder if that was when she entered the tourney to win a place in king Renley’s
    army?

  • WildSeed,

    No Brienne has her shield painted over while in Duskendale in A Feast for Crows ….
    The Sigil on the shield she had been using is drawing unwanted attetnion so she has a girl paint over it. She does not want to use her own house’s sigil since she is rumored to be Renly’s murderer, so she has the girl paint the sigil of a shield that she recalls from her father’s armory when she was young.

  • darquemode:
    WildSeed,

    No Brienne has her shield painted over while in Duskendale in A Feast for Crows ….
    The Sigil on the shield she had been using is drawing unwanted attetnion so she has a girl paint over it. She does not want to use her own house’s sigil since she is rumored to be Renly’s murderer, so she has the girl paint the sigil of a shield that she recalls from her father’s armory when she was young.

    Yes I somewhat remember that section from AFOC ( and decidedly long after Renly’s
    death ) . That was before she discovered P****ck following her and as she set out for
    search of S***a . I believe she stayed at a funky Inn. I’ll cover that again during my
    re-read of the books. Anyway, did Westeros Wiki ASOIAF get that wrong about the
    re-painted sigil bearing no likeness to ser Dunk’s?

  • WildSeed,

    No I don’t think they got it wrong.

    Honestly, I don’t recall EXACTLY what Dunk’s shield looked like., but I do recall that there were striking similarities between what Brienne described and Duncan the Tall’s Sigil. I’m not sure they were exactly the same from the details I recall, but I am sure that readers were supposed to catch on to the fact that the sigil on the shield in her father’s armory that the girl painted was inspired by Dunk’s. Well assuming the reader has read Dunk and Egg that is ! XD

    I know some people have theorized that Brienne is descended from Duncan the Tall, but I never really looked for supporting evidence to the theory so I’m not sure if it is possible or not honestly. The shield alone is not too convincing, but if history repeats itself and BRienne ends up being Captain of the King’s Gaurd for the new King/Queen at the end of the saga I will believe the theory! XD

  • darquemode:
    WildSeed,

    No I don’t think they got it wrong.

    Honestly, I don’t recall EXACTLY what Dunk’s shield looked like., but I do recall that there were striking similarities between what Brienne described and Duncan the Tall’s Sigil. I’m not sure they were exactly the same from the details I recall, but I am sure that readers were supposed to catch on to the fact that the sigil on the shield in her father’s armory that the girl painted was inspired by Dunk’s. Well assuming the reader has read Dunk and Egg that is ! XD

    I know some people have theorized that Brienne is descended from Duncan the Tall, but I never really looked for supporting evidence to the theory so I’m not sure if it is possible or not honestly. The shield alone is not too convincing, but if history repeats itself and BRienne ends up being Captain of the King’s Gaurd for the new King/Queen at the end of the saga I will believe the theory! XD

    I couldn’t wait so I reviewed AFFC for the passage and got lucky with the confirmation.
    I think I confused you earlier by asking if she did this before Renly’s death. From the
    ” Hedge Knight ” Ser Duncan the Tall ‘s shield was painted with the scene of a tall
    elm tree near a brook and a night sky with a shooting star in the background. I just
    finished reading the book last week and the image and the inspiration for it hasn’t
    left me yet. I have so much gladness for Egg, prince Baelor and the young girl that
    painted ser Dunk’s shield. I hope they meet again. The entire town saluted him in
    his chivalric act and reinforced his confidence and sense of duty. I also learned the
    reason why the Fossoway’s have 2 apple colour patterns. These books simply must
    be read by all. Unless otherwise prompted I’m gonna stay away from specifics from
    now on. Have a good night, it’s still PM over here.

  • jkb,

    ha I don’t think I understand your reply. Sounds like you’re trying to mock me but I don’t get it I guess

    I’ve never seen this burn Gorman act so I found some YouTube video of him in what seemed like a sitcom. Still don’t see him playing an evil bastard, but I guess he’s versatile from what people are saying…

    So I didn’t know this beforehand, but the actors have to be European because of licensing/citizenship issues???? That kinda sucks, there’s a lot of good American actors…

    Read ab Jesse Williams being cast for Daario on a Random google search so I can’t verify any truth. As far as Greys Anatomy goes, jeez when is that show getting cancelled???? It would be a shame to have to pass this show up for that one because that show crashed and burned a long time ago. I used to love it early on but it’s gotten repetitive and ridiculous, and the horridly unrealistic way they portray the world of medicine became too much to take for me. According to Greys Anatomy, doctors do ALL the work required of patient care, from sitting w patients for long hours to nursing tasks such as starting IVs and transporting patients throughout the hospital (and every other nursing task). As an RN myself, this show has become almost insulting to nurses.

  • One of the most ridiculously unrealistic aspects of Greys Anatomy: That the attending surgeon apparently is able to attend every single time his patients code. They are almost NEVER present, they show up afterward or hear about it over the phone

    Oh and apparently there’s always a gaggle of surgeons in the ER just hoping a patient requiring emergent surgery will be brought in. Also, this same gaggle of surgeons run the ER simultaneously every day. Nurses?? Who needs em!!!? Apparently a surgeon functions as every possible specialty of medicine as needed. Pure horsesh*t

  • Aegon the Conqueror:
    Zack,

    Martin has stated that after the fourth one comes out they will be made available in a single hardcover collection. The man is way ahead of you!

    At Olympus this year he indicated that the publication date is likely mid 2013 – I suppose that’s so as not to hurt sales of the anthology Dangerous Women that will hold the first publication of the fourth story when it comes out this autumn.

  • Nick Larter,

    It will be very interesting to see what is going on in Winterfell when Dunk and Egg visit! How old will Old Nan be? Does she go by a different name, Young Nan or Nymeria like some think? Will we get some information that connects Hodor to Dunk’s descendancy?

    I think a re-read of D&E is in order……

  • WildSeed,

    There’s not too much evidence as I have seen, but there’s enough to make you wonder. GRRM stated some of Dunk’s descendants were featured in AFFC, there’s the shield she remembers from her father’s armory and off course there’s her freakishly large size, strenght and skill at arms.

  • Btw does anyone know what happened to Simone Boyce? She’s been awfully quiet this off season and there’s so much casting and other news to discuss. Would be nice if she could wrap up all the announcements and speculation in one not-so-Daily Raven.

  • Nick Larter: At Olympus this year he indicated that the publication date is likely mid 2013 – I suppose that’s so as not to hurt sales of the anthology Dangerous Womenthat will hold the first publication of the fourth story when it comes out this autumn.

    Yep. I can’t imagine they’d cannibalize sales of the anthology. I don’t know about outside the us, but it’s pretty easy to find the right books in the US. If I have a moment, I’ll link to the right ones on Amazon.

    brienne is almost certainly a descendant of Dunk, IMO, the size nd the shield being he hints. But even if she’s not that shield found its way from dunk to the armory of Tarth.

  • The Sand Snake:
    jkb,

    I’ve never seen this burn Gorman act so I found some YouTube video of him in what seemed like a sitcom. Still don’t see him playing an evil bastard,but I guess he’s versatile from what people are saying…

    See if you can find Wuthering Heights 2009 Tom Hardy version, He plays Hindley… He’s horrid. He’ll be great I’m sure .

  • Question: What’s up with The Hedge Knight being such an expensive book?? Price starts at $70 on amazon!!!! I can’t afford that for a book! Does it give me magical powers while reading it or something??

  • YvyB,

    That must be nice! WHen I order something on Amazon I gotta wait two months at least. One month for shipping another month cause you know the messed up SA postal service is gonna screw up the order.

  • Aegon the Conqueror,

    WHell I’ll tell you a story of disappointment…. in the UK book 3 and 5 are split in two parts . Bare in mind I got my books from several locations all separately. I think it was book 3 part 1 had missing chapters at the end ( from Amazon) AND THEN as if I hadn’t been unlucky enough book 5 part 1 had repeated chapters at the end. That’s frustrating. All sorted now though :)

  • YvyB,

    Happy reading. I’m about to order ” Warriors” anthology that contains the
    ” Mystery Knight ” with a reasonable $. Last time I checked there was also
    some fool attempting to sell a stand alone copy for $ 328.00 on Amazon !!!

  • YvyB,

    We get the same ones you do, before the series aired on couldn’t even buy ASOIAF in SA. Got digital copies. When they finally did arrive the were hellishly expensive. Bought the boxset from amazon, but bought my ADWD in two seperate copies the same as you. Busy with the re-read (just started ASOS) so hopefully when I get to ADWD nothing will be wrong with it.