Casting Daario Naharis News Season 3

Daario Naharis and Grey Worm cast

When it rains, it pours! Two more actors have been confirmed by HBO to be joining the cast of Game of Thrones for season three, and WinterIsComing.net has the exclusive announcement.

First up, playing the role of Daario Naharis is Ed Skrein. Daario Naharis is a roguish and deadly sellsword who crosses paths with Daenerys. Ed Skrein is a British musician and actor. In his music career, he has released his own album and also worked with artists such as Foreign Beggars, Nathan Flutebox Lee, Asian Dub Foundation and Plan B while touring throughout the UK and Europe. He recently transitioned into acting and has appeared in the films Piggy and Ill Manors. You can follow Ed on Twitter here.

The other role is Grey Worm, who will be played by Jacob Anderson. Grey Worm is a captain of the Unsullied, a group of eunuch slave soldiers who are trained from childhood to excel in battle. Jacob Anderson is a young actor from London who has already appeared in numerous films and TV shows such as Adulthood, Chatroom, Episodes and Skins. You can follow Jacob on Twitter here.

In an interesting coincidence, a song by Skrein called “Reach” appeared on the soundtrack of Anderson’s film Adulthood. Jacob himself was featured on the soundtrack song “I Need Love” with Plan B, the musician and actor who later directed Skrein in Ill Manors.

Here’s a clip from the 2012 crime drama, with Ed Skrein playing a cold-hearted drug dealer. The video uses Not Safe for Work language.

Winter Is Coming: I’m not too familiar with either of these actors. Skrein doesn’t exactly match the Daario I had in my head, but it looks like he could bring the swagger necessary for the role. And Anderson is younger than I imagined Grey Worm to be, but that isn’t too big a deal. I trust they both showed they have what it takes to play their respective roles. Welcome to the cast, Ed and Jacob!

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  • Wicnet exclusive! Wow, I’m impressed. Way to go Wic! Congratulations!
    *jumps up and down still not fully able to take in the news*

  • Ed Skrein definitely doesn’t match the Daario in my imagination, but at this point I’ve learned that the physical appearance of the characters is absolutely secondary to the actor’s intangible performance.

    Skrein reminds me a bit of a young Tom Hardy. If that’s any indication of his acting style, I think he’ll be great as Daario.

    Let’s just hope they don’t dress him like a clown. I could do without the blue hair and yellow mustache or whatever he has…

  • So is that all the main roles, then? Aside from the Dornish if they’re in, I can’t think of anyone else who needs to be cast. Ahh well, it was fun while it lasted! :P Can’t wait to see what these two can do in the roles.

  • [email protected] Stark says:

    Aegon the Conqueror:
    First! Grey Worm yes!

    Oh my, there will be no living near his Grace now, he got in first! LOL, just showing my Lyanna side, your majesty.

  • I’m kinda disappointed witn Daario. I was expecting an asian/hispanic actor. But I trust in Nina Gold and all the casting crew…

  • Welcome to the cast!

    I think I’ll be feeling for show Daario the same way I felt for book Daario. ;) He does seem to have what it takes to portray his attitude.

  • Well he looks like Dany’s type. He looks close enough in the face to Jason Momoa, Presumably he’ll get some blue hair.

    I doubt he’s got a no nudity clause in his contract.

  • I thought that Daario would be older, but Ed Skrein looks like he has the attitude for that character. The “easy to hate” one as has been already mentioned here.

  • Jacob Anderson’s look seems almost opposite to the way I saw Grey Worm in my mind’s eye, but I’m happy to be surprised and and look forward to see him onscreen. At this point, like many have said before, I trust Nina Gold. So… delighted to have them on board.

  • fiendebass,

    Why am I the only one who gets crap when he is first? Check every thread for the last couple of months and you will see I am not the only one who does it.
    Besides the mere idea that I would be anywhere at 7am except for gym or my bed is ridiculous!

  • GRRM described Grey Worm as being fit but not having a bodybuilder’s physique, because he’s a eunuch. Eunuchs can’t develop muscle in quite the same way as a non-snipped man because of the hormones. Jacob actually fits the description very well- someone in shape but not super muscular and broad.

  • Seems that Skrein has a not-very-extensive acting resume for a part that we expect to go on for numerous seasons! Should be interesting.

  • YvyB,

    Back to you! *jumps* :D I think my smile is reaching my ears. So many casting news! Tasty tasty casting news!

    Who’s left to cast of the important roles, just Vargo?

  • Never really imagined what Daario and Grey Worm looked like in the books, so I’m happy with these casting news :)

  • I hope they stick with the blue beard & hair. Things like that help show how different Essos is from Westeros.

  • ASoIaF gives with one hand and takes with the other.

    YEA!! We have Grey Worm.

    Oh…we have Daario memories of all those wasted chapters with Dany mooning over the guy in ADwD

  • Lina:

    Let’s just hope they don’t dress him like a clown.I could do without the blue hair and yellow mustache or whatever he has…

    Agree. Daario would be a bit more appealing without the blue hair. Regardless, Skrein seems to have the appropriate amount of swagger.

    Love Anderson as Grey Worm. Exactly as I imagined him.

    Wow – isn’t that approximately 23 new cast members! Are we getting “Vargo”? I don’t think that we have confirmation about casting for any of the Brave Companions. Someone has to chop off Jaime’s hand, right?. Would D&D have someone else do it?

  • Exellent, was worried about the lack of news of Grey Worm. These new characters are staring to look real nice. Can’t wait to see them portrayed on the screen next year. As for those who still expect Strong Belwas, I don’t think we’ll see him. With so many new characters already being cast, Belwas is one who can easily be replaced with another. Granted he’s a very characteristic charecter, but he doesn’t really do much except for a few scenes he’s pretty much in the background.

  • I just hope GRRM brings out Froggy and gives us some clues.

    Can’t be the end of season 3 casting news :( ?

  • Well, we readers hate Daario, and this actor looks like he’ll be as big a tool as Daario is ;)

  • Grey Worm needs to look young-ish since being a eunuch would make him look younger. No puberty, you know. I like the actor.

    Daario looks good. Really as that smug look that makes you hate him on principle alone. Kinda like Joffrey.

  • Aegon the Conqueror,

    Absolutely famished… And this feels like a big feast! Ideally I would have prefered a more healthy diet in between those two extremes… But the showrunners have too many things to worry about to add to that balancing our casting news diet. :D

  • It looks like to me that they’ve mixed those two roles up, Ed looks like Grey Worm and Jacob looks like Daario wtf.

  • I don’t like these two choices at all, I mean Jacob looks like he’d fall over if a strong breeze hit him and yet he’s suppose to be a rock hard soldier who’d fear no one.

  • it’s interesting- they never actually pinned down Grey Worm’s ethnicity or race, so he could be white or black or anything at all. Daario on the other hand is considered paler than Jorah Mormont, so while it’s surprising they didn’t cast a person of color like we’d heard they were auditioning, it’s not actually against the books.

  • Al Swearengen,

    I disagree. Jacob looks nothing like Daario, who’s a smug bastard, exactly what Skrein looks like (not saying Skrein as a person is a smug bastard, but based on the picture I’m sure he can pull it off).

  • YES Grey Worm. Sorry Daario. But you got nothing on Jorah when it comes to sexy. Although you do have Dany! Ha Blue Beard vs Blue Balls.

    Excited we are getting more casting updates. Just need confirmation of Belwas and I’ll be content.

  • Carne,

    Ed’s totally nothing like how I pictured Daario he’s got the wrong skin tone for a start, I was expecting someone a little more exotic.

  • Interesting. I had kind of pictured them the other way around (Skrein as Grey Worm and Anderson as Daario), but this will do.

    Looks like the cast is really filling out. Who’s left? Vargo? Strong Belwas? Harma Dogshead? Anyone else?

  • That is NOT at all how I pictured Grey Worm. I pictured him much larger and a bit older, with a battle hardened look…not a baby faced teenager.

    Oh well.

    Daario I could care less about.

    Where’s VARGO????

  • I think they look fine and I am not concerned about not adhering to my mental image of them when I read the books. I usually picture each character as a naked Gisele Bundchen. That way I know I will ALWAYS be disappointed when they are cast so I have learned to accept it.

  • Not familiar with either of these guys, thought they might cast someone a little more recognizable for Daario, but can’t say I’m disappointed with either, I imagined grey worm as a little more physically imposing, but I don’t know if he was ever described as such, the unsullied were not so formidable due to their brute strength and power afterall, but their tactics and complete commitment to die if need be for their masters, I think we just have Vargo, Val, maybe Dalla and Strong Belwas, maybe Mero, some assorted mummers and companions left, some of these may already be cast since Brooke, Taylor, and Gorman’s roles have never been announced officially

  • Cary:
    Seems that Skrein has a not-very-extensive acting resume for a part that we expect to go on for numerous seasons! Should be interesting.

    About as extensive as Emilia Clarke’s. :)

  • BOOO Daario’s a white guy BOOOOOOORING!!!

    Also he’s not even a particularly attractive white dude, IMO. Why should we have to “love to hate” him? He’s the Essosi version of Bronn. People just don’t like him because THEY want in Dany’s pants themselves, and/or they have niceguy sympathy for Jorah.

    I’m very disappointed.

  • Grey Worm looks too adorable! He’ll have to keep that smile dampened down.

    As for Daario, I can already imagine gritting my teeth before yelling “DANY YOU’RE SUPPOSED TO BE VAGELY INTELLIGENT” at the screen.

    Re Skrein’s limited acting experience – remember that Daario is not a complicated character to play!

  • Okay, now we only need my fucking Strong Belwas and Vargo Hoat to be done with the “main characters” of Season 3. I will be very angry if they use Grey Worm or Daario for the role of Belwas, he is such a charismatic character! And beside Belwas and Vargo there are other some minors characters like some people of the BwB and the Brave Companions.

    As I said, for real, I imagined Grey Worm just like these guy, he has the face of a charismatic guy and idk about Daario, I imagined a diferent guy because he is bald, but nothing that a wig can resolve.

  • Carne:
    TheAmir,

    Grey Worm is a eunuch remember.

    That still doesn’t account for how scrawny and small this guy is. And even eunuchs can have some age to them, even if they don’t have facial hair or broad chins. I can’t buy this guy as Grey Worm. Especially since they were clearly based on the 300 of Sparta. THIS is the Grey Worm in my head forever and always (race matters little, but we need someone who looks like they’ve gone through some hardcore training, and scrawny baby-face up there does. not.) http://awoiaf.westeros.org/images/thumb/6/62/Grey_Worm.jpg/250px-Grey_Worm.jpg

  • Eleanor,

    Explain what’s wrong with her choosing to sleep with a guy she’s attracted to, again?

    Sorry for the spoilers I’m an idiot.

  • queenofthorns:
    Eleanor,

    Explain what’s wrong with her choosing to sleep with a guy she’s attracted to, again?

    Because he’s the ASOIAF version of The Situation. It’s more or less Dany has really shitty taste in men.

  • TheAmir: Because he’s the ASOIAF version of The Situation. It’s more or less Dany has really shitty taste in men.

    Um, no he’s not. He’s a cunning, ruthless killer. He’s a leader. He’s funny and a flirt. He’s smart. He’s confident. Physically, he’s got a perfect body, lean yet strong. Perfect skin. Young, handsome.

    ‘The Situation is a hothead idiot with tiny-dick syndrome on ‘Roids. How is Daario anything like this?

  • TheAmir: Because he’s the ASOIAF version of The Situation. It’s more or less Dany has really shitty taste in men.

    Probably because every man has to measure up to Jason Momoa, which pretty much sucks for them all.

  • queenofthorns: Um, no he’s not.He’s a cunning, ruthless killer.He’s a leader.He’s funny and a flirt.He’s smart.He’s confident.Physically, he’s got a perfect body, lean yet strong.Perfect skin.Young, handsome.

    ‘The Situation is a hothead idiot with tiny-dick syndrome on ‘Roids.How is Daario anything like this?

    He’s arrogant. He’s a sellsword and probably not at all trustworthy (Dany already shows she never knows who to trust and is constantly betrayed). He’s just a douche, he has no sense of loyalty, he’s really NOT all that cunning – just good at betraying people.

    Sorry, most fans share my opinion. Like him if you want because he’s pretty, but the majority can’t stand him and for good reason. GRRM has a funny idea of what girls think is hot, I guess. He’s very much the ASOIAF version of the Situation, and I’m NOT the only one to have used that comparison.

  • Michel:
    Okay, now we only need my fucking Strong Belwas and Vargo Hoat to be done with the “main characters” of Season 3. I will be very angry if they use Grey Worm or Daario for the role of Belwas, he is such a charismatic character! And beside Belwas and Vargo there are other some minors characters like some people of the BwB and the Brave Companions.

    I bet the Goat has been cast and they’re just holding out on announcing it. And as far as Strong Belwas is concerned, hey, they seem to be in the middle of hot and heavy Essos casting right now, probably forthcoming?

  • TheAmir,

    This is how the author described him:

    Grey Worm is young, late 20s or so. As a eunuch, his face would be very smooth, with no trace of facial hair. No beard, mustache, stubble, etc. He’s a soldier, so he’s fit, but he would not have a bodybuilder’s physique. I see him a square, solid guy, maybe a bit on the stocky side, medium height, short brown hair.

    Anderson isn’t that scrawny- he’s young and lean and seems capable. The picture you’re pointing to an artist’s rendition where they took some liberties.

  • Cary: I bet the Goat has been cast and they’re just holding out on announcing it.And as far as Strong Belwas is concerned, hey, they seem to be in the middle of hot and heavy Essos casting right now, probably forthcoming?

    I really hope they do have a Goat lined up for us. I will be very sad if we do not get our Thapphires.

  • Andrew,

    Yeah, I was just hoping they would case a PoC anyway like they did with Xaro and Salla. There were certain rumors… Also “pale skin” doesn’t have to mean white British dude. There are lots of pale middle-eastern and asian guys. Not to mention Jorah’s actor’s way paler than the book version.

    I’m more disappointed that they cast a not particularly attractive whtie guy. I’m not saying he’s ugly, but he’s not really BOOM! Hot. Which he really should be given what we’re given in the text.

  • Ours is the Fury:
    TheAmir,

    This is how the author described him:

    Grey Worm is young, late 20s or so. As a eunuch, his face would be very smooth, with no trace of facial hair. No beard, mustache, stubble, etc. He’s a soldier, so he’s fit, but he would not have a bodybuilder’s physique. I see him a square, solid guy, maybe a bit on the stocky side, medium height, short brown hair.

    Anderson isn’t that scrawny- he’s young and lean and seems capable.The picture you’re pointing to an artist’s rendition where they took some liberties.

    I disagree. Even GRRM said Amok’s artwork is pretty much spot on. And Anderson does NOT look like he’s done a day of physical work in his life. He does not look even remotely like a soldier. Sorry. It’s not a very good casting call unless he bulks up.

  • General reminder to tag your spoilers, everyone!

    TheAmir,

    And no “most fans” do not share your opinion about Daario. You’re expressing an opinion that’s common at Westeros, but many in the GoT/ASOIAF do not share that opinion.

  • TheAmir: He’s arrogant.He’s a sellsword and probably not at all trustworthy (Dany already shows she never knows who to trust and is constantly betrayed).He’s just a douche, he has no sense of loyalty, he’s really NOT all that cunning – just good at betraying people.

    None of which has anything to do with his looks; I’m with queenofthorns there, Skrein doesn’t seem to have the “sexy” I expected Daario to have.

  • Ours is the Fury:
    TheAmir,

    Are you seriously disagreeing with the quote I posted from the author?

    Yeah but here’s the thing bro, the description GRRM gave doesn’t look like Anderson. He’s supposed to be a soldier, right? Anderson doesn’t look like a soldier. Sure, you could shave him and he looks young and smooth, but he does NOT look remotely like a soldier. He looks like a scrawny kid. Sorry – obviously your idea of soldier is different than mine. And are -you- disagreeing with the author’s statement that Amok’s artwork is spot on?

  • Ours is the Fury:
    GRRM described Grey Worm as being fit but not having a bodybuilder’s physique, because he’s a eunuch. Eunuchs can’t develop muscle in quite the same way as a non-snipped man because of the hormones.Jacob actually fits the description very well- someone in shape but not super muscular and broad.

    ah just what every guy longs to hear. you are built like a eunuch! haha

  • Ours is the Fury:
    General reminder to tag your spoilers, everyone!

    TheAmir,

    And no “most fans” do not share your opinion about Daario. You’re expressing an opinion that’s common at Westeros, but many in the GoT/ASOIAF do not share that opinion.

    Really? Prove it. I wasn’t even talking about the Westeros forums, though, as I understand it, the vocal majority there hates Daario too. I was talking about book review sites and literary forums other than Westeros. Hate to break it to you kid, but he’s not a popular character.

  • TheAmir: He’s arrogant.He’s a sellsword and probably not at all trustworthy (Dany already shows she never knows who to trust and is constantly betrayed).He’s just a douche, he has no sense of loyalty, he’s really NOT all that cunning – just good at betraying people.

    She knows all this, though. Which is why she wisely just uses him (and the reverse) for sex. However, I do think that GRRM is probably trying to fuck with us, and Daario will turn out to be completely loyal to Dany. He’s already shown some signs that he’s probably actually in love with her , despite his cavalier attitute

    Daario is smart. He leads 500 men on several extremely successful campaigns during ‘Dance. He’s very good at his job. He also sees through people’s bullshit repeatedly, showing social intelligence (Reznak, Hizdar, Jorah). What evidence do you have that he’s not intelligent?

    Sorry, most fans share my opinion.

    “Most fans” (by which I think you mean most male fans) are upset that Dany didn’t go for the guy that they consider to be more like themselves. Either Jorah who was becoming a jealous “nice guy” type by the end and who ended up seriously violating her trust, or poor Quentyn who just came at a terrible time. Guess what? People should be allowed to choose to sleep with people they are attracted to, not be expected to fuck people just because they are nice to them.

    Like him if you want because he’s pretty, but the majority can’t stand him and for good reason. GRRM has a funny idea of what girls think is hot, I guess. He’s very much the ASOIAF version of the Situation, and I’m NOT the only one to have used that comparison.

    I’ll say it again, of all the characters in ASOIAF, Daario is most similar to Bronn. Who all the fans love. Cognitive Dissonance!!!

    “The Situation” is not actually confident. He’s weak and pushes people around to build himself up, but ends up even weaker as a result. Daario doesn’t do this. He murders people to get ahead, and he murders people because it’s his job. He’s not compensating for anything.

    I will say I agree with one point. GRRM has a really weird idea about what women find physically attractive. The blue hair, stupid beard, clothes, etc. It’s all a big turn off. I hope that they change that for the show, significantly.

    Edit: Sorry I should have said what many/most women find physically attractive. It is certainly possible that some ladies love that kind of thing! Just not me.

  • Ed Skrein didn’t look much like Daario to me at first. But when he smiled in that clip, I saw a serious hint of some Daario’ness. I also imagine he’d wear a wig, though I doubt it’ll be very blue in any case…

    Regardless, this might mean that he managed to convince Nina despite his looks – which would bode well for his version of Daario.

  • I’m not up on the latest in ASOIAF fan sites or literary review sites, but I find it hard to believe that Daario is that much of an unpopular character, considering I find myself liking him in the series, despite his failures with Dany.

  • TheAmir,

    Trying to prove that “everyone” shares one’s opinion is foolish and impossible. Some like Daario, some do not. You claiming everyone hates him is ridiculous and wrong.

    And I’m 34 years old. Please feel free to not condescend to me and call me “kid” ever again.

  • A lot of people seem to have a visceral reaction to Daenerys “wasting her time” with Daario. I find it particularly odd, since she essentially risks nothing in the relationship and repeatedly shows herself to be able to refuse him and even push him aside. Compare that to how much time Tyrion wastes on Shae and how much he risks compared with how little she offers him, especially as she appears in the books, as a prostitute pretending to be a naive farmgirl. I always wonder why people don’t share the same response to that relationship. In this regard Daenerys is a much stronger character then Tyrion emotionally and I, for one, support her in her casual dalliances.

    Anyway, Daario seems to be a character who is (possibly knowingly) rather theatrical and while Mr. Skrein looks nothing like what I’d imagined him to be, I think he’ll do a fine job.

  • sjwenings: this might mean that he managed to convince Nina despite his looks – which would bode well for his version of Daario.

    This is a really good point, and I hope you’re right. I do trust in Nina Gold.

    My biggest fear, though, is that D&D share TheAmir’s opinion, and will turn him into a complete unlikable asshole (rather than a charismatic ruthless killer) while continuing to whitewash Jorah.

  • I doubt he turned up an audition for non-white men and was allowed in. Agents won’t submit if you’re completely wrong that way, usually. If the report was true, they probably auditioned nonwhite men, and then broadened their search when they didn’t find the right chemistry in their eyes.

  • TheAmir,

    And what exactly does a soldier look like? Jamie doesn’t look like a soldier, he looks like a spoilt rich kid. Tyrion doesn’t look like a soldier but he’s proved time and again he can handle himself in a scrap. Jon & Robb are kids and look nothing like soldiers, and yet… Shall I go on?

    So, I ask again, what exactly does a soldier look like?

  • TheAmir,

    Seriously, wait until you see him acting before you rush to judgement on whether it was good casting. A big muscular build doesn’t really effect grey worms character, the unsullied aren’t Vikings or Gallic Barbarians, they’re basically Greek style hoplite soldiers, fighting in a tight phalanx with spears, being big or bulky wasn’t really an advantage in this style of fighting, I imagined Grey Worm different but I’ll reserve judgement on the role til I see it acted. It’s certainly not crucial that grey worm be big or physically imposing though to effectively adapt his character

  • The guy I had in my mind while reading the books was so cartoonish that I even prayed they would not cast someone like that. :D
    So, I am happy with this choice.

  • Chuck Norris

    Phil Norris:
    TheAmir,

    And what exactly does a soldier look like? Jamie doesn’t look like a soldier, he looks like a spoilt rich kid. Tyrion doesn’t look like a soldier but he’s proved time and again he can handle himself in a scrap. Jon & Robb are kids and look nothing like soldiers, and yet… Shall I go on?

    So, I ask again, what exactly does a soldier look like?

  • Phil Norris,

    If I remember correctly, the Unsullied all have strong phisique and are generally considered as if clashed out of stone. They train from early childhood to become Unsullied, what is in free cities considered an ideal of warrior.
    What comes with this expectation is wider, more muscular frame of such soldier. Something ala 300. Afterall, their attire is very similar. Sure, they are eunuchs, but they are still more muscular then regular guy.

  • TheAmir,

    I really doubt that most readers hate Daario…I even doubt that most fans hate Daario..it’s just that those who hate him are really vocal about it ;)..So many of the sellsword captains have some political axe to grind, somewhere, I don’t think we yet know all there is to know about Daario…or how loyal, or not , he is to Dany.. It seems a really strange resentment to me .

    It looks to me like Grey Worm could be one of Missandei’s brothers in the show..

  • Obsidian,

    I wondered if they might transfer that connection to Grey Worm, as well. It makes sense to have her brother be someone we know.

  • someone trained from a young age to be a warrior/soldier would be muscular but lean aswell as they would have 0% body fat. they wouldnt be overly big as they dont just work out and then down a protein shake and flex their pecs in the mirror. they would view speed and agility just as important as strength.

    on another note we shouldnt take grrms descriptions on things as law when it comes to the tv show. as much as they use the books LOTS of things and people are different in the show. dany 13 years of old?

  • I thought Daario would look a little more mid-Eastern or Mediterranean than that but I’m satisfied with that choice.

    Grey Worm is such an incidental character that I’m not really concerned about who plays him.

    BTW, I haven’t read through all the responses yet, but if I don’t hear people yelling “racism” yet due to them casting a caucasian as Daario, I’m sure I will soon.

  • queenofthorns,

    Not just rumors, they were specifically casting for any ethnicity besides white. So of course, they cast a white guy. That’s actually really upsetting. I just wonder what pasty white guy they’ll cast for the Red Viper.

  • TheAmir: He’s arrogant. He’s a sellsword and probably not at all trustworthy (Dany already shows she never knows who to trust and is constantly betrayed). He’s just a douche, he has no sense of loyalty, he’s really NOT all that cunning – just good at betraying people. Sorry, most fans share my opinion. Like him if you want because he’s pretty, but the majority can’t stand him and for good reason. GRRM has a funny idea of what girls think is hot, I guess. He’s very much the ASOIAF version of the Situation, and I’m NOT the only one to have used that comparison.

    Ok, I don’t like or hate Daario in the books, but I don’t think it’s fair to assume that those who like him only like him because he’s “pretty”. Honestly, I’ve read some pretty convincing arguments why I should take a deeper look at his character on this board today.

  • paylor,

    Maybe he sent in an audition tape and they were so impressed by his performance? It’s not like they were thinking “We need a white guy for this role!”. He obviously happened to be the best out of those who auditioned.

  • How about a “do you like Daario” poll? I’m not a fan of Daario and here’s my reasons: 1) I don’t find him trustworthy since he killed off his own leader to take over the stormcrows. Not very honorable(hey looks like he’ll last quite long on Westeros then!). I don’t want Dany sleeping with any sell sword whether it’s Daario or Bronn. They can easily sell her out or even murder her 2) I’m not a fan of GRRM sex scenes(which Daario has quite a few of). 3) I find his look kind of ridiculous (blue beard and what not). 4) Daario in turn makes Dany a more unlikable character. I think she’s naive for being with Daario. This is because of my preconception that Daario will betray her

  • the actor playing daario resemble sort of what i had pictured of him, but grey worm not so much… yet i know they were chosen for a good reason, so… in nina gold we trust!

  • So…characters uncast (so far) that it doesn’t make much sense for them to leave out include:

    Val
    Dalla
    Mace Tyrell
    Osmund Kettleblack
    Strong Belwas
    Vargo Hoat
    Tom O’Sevens
    Lemoncloak

    …and possibly Ramsay, if “boy” isn’t him, which I’m sure he is.

    Anybody think these roles will make the cut for this season?

    Also, Tom Brooke may be in a role no one suspects him for, but could he possibly be Tom O’Sevens?

  • Daario is a smug tool but also dangerous, this actor has certain spark in his eyes and looks dangerous enough. I thought they would cast someone similar to Drogo (to explain Daenery´s crush).
    I always thought Grey Worm would be someone young and not muscular. Don´t know why though because I don´t remember his description.
    Like them both.
    Bring Strong Belwas now. I want to laugh.

  • Josh Parker,

    I’m sure we’ll get Mace Tyrell, Osmund Kettleblack & Vargo Hoat at some point. Tom of Sevenstreams and Lemoncloak could be played by extras, and Val & Dalla could be cut, though that would require reworking a few things down the road. I know this site loves Strong Belwas will almost surely be accompanying Arstan Whitebeard, who we know is in, right?

  • Ours is the Fury: TheAmir, Trying to prove that “everyone” shares one’s opinion is foolish and impossible. Some like Daario, some do not. You claiming everyone hates him is ridiculous and wrong.And I’m 34 years old. Please feel free to not condescend to me and call me “kid” ever again.

    But he/she’s right that plenty of people do hate Daario, and with good reason. I mean I imagine there’s a fairly large proportion of male fans of this series who’ve lost out to the “bad boy” at some point in their lives.

    Me, I’m fairly indifferent to the character, but was happy that Dany finally got some good nookie. And Skrein looks like he can pull off cocky asshole pretty well.

  • Hey guys, what are the names of the actor/characters that were cast and nobody know who they are ? I can only remember the actor Toom Brooke and the character Myranda (Roslin Frey/Ros’ whore/Margaery’s cousin/Myranda Stone)

  • paylor: queenofthorns, Not just rumors, they were specifically casting for any ethnicity besides white. So of course, they cast a white guy. That’s actually really upsetting. I just wonder what pasty white guy they’ll cast for the Red Viper.

    And they’ve cast black people for originally non-black roles, what’s the big deal? How they pull off the character’s essential traits is far more important than physical details in most cases.

  • Carne,

    It would be strange with we get only Tom for one scene or one episode since IMO the Bwb will appear at least in 6 or 5 episodes

  • I may know nothing… But I could have sworn the Unsullied were supposed to be big bad, and badass? While I have nothing against the actor chosen to play Grey Worm, to me he doesn’t really have an intimidating image or a pot belly. But here’s to knowing they got it right!!

    I hope!!!

  • Michel,

    Wow, that is a big list.

    I basically narrowed it down to characters I really don’t see how they can leave out and have future storylines make sense. I almost left out Osmund, but he’s a fun character and it defines Cersei’s character a bit more to have another lover. The rest of who you list that I didn’t list are either sure to be left out, shunted to next season or replaced by a composite character, such as Orell (I’m sure he’s a composite, but a composite of friendly characters like Harma and Jarl, or a composite of enemies like Varamyr, Styr and the Weeper, I don’t know.)

  • Josh Parker:
    So…characters uncast (so far) that it doesn’t make much sense for them to leave out include:

    Val
    Dalla
    Mace Tyrell
    Osmund Kettleblack
    Strong Belwas
    Vargo Hoat
    Tom O’Sevens
    Lemoncloak

    …and possibly Ramsay, if “boy” isn’t him, which I’m sure he is.

    Anybody think these roles will make the cut for this season?

    Also, Tom Brooke may be in a role no one suspects him for, but could he possibly be Tom O’Sevens?

    Strong Belwas will probably be cut until season 5. Not really necessary at this point. Tom O’Sevens I believe will be cast. Marrilion was in season 1 so I can’t see why it’s hard to cast another bard. Val and Dalla’s roles will probably be combined. Mace Tyrell will probably not be cast until season 4 or 5. Kettle lack will probably be cast in season 4 but I can see him being cast this season. Vargo Hoat has already been confirmed in an audition. Lem will be an extra

  • Carne,

    My immediate thought was that he’d be a King’s Landing minstrel, either Symon Silvertongue or a completely invented character.

    I simply can’t believe they’d expand Anguy of all people and relegate memorable characters like Tom and Lem to cameos.

  • Michel,

    Actors who are rumored to be in it, but no confirmation from HBO:

    Tom Brooke
    Burn Gorman
    Noah Taylor
    Charlotte Hope as Myranda
    Elisa Lasowski as Mirelle

  • Carne:
    Josh Parker,

    Gary Lightbody (of Snow Patrol) has a cameo, and music is involved. My guess is that’s he’ll be Tom (as a cameo and only in one scene).

    This would make me sad :(

  • [email protected] Stark says:

    YvyB:
    Phil Norris,

    The Lady fans, of which there are many, like a bit of mooning! Go make a cup of tea when that’s onthen ;p

    Yes, what Y said! We must have mooning!

  • Ours is the Fury,

    Yeah , just looking at the actor and actress in question , you can imagine them as two Naathi peas from the same pod.

    Further to Daario , I always find it odd that so many of the people who hate his character would give Dany a lot of the same advice he gives her..:D..they might even say “Marry me.” It seems to boil down to the fact that he appears to be able to live up to his boasts in the bedroom as well as on the battlefield And for the ladies , this actor , physically , looks like he might um , “dress down” (strip off ) as fetchingly as Momoa .

  • Tom Sevinstrings:
    How about a “do you like Daario” poll? I’m not a fan of Daario and here’s my reasons: 1) I don’t find him trustworthy since he killed off his own leader to take over the stormcrows. Not very honorable(hey looks like he’ll last quite long on Westeros then!).I don’t want Dany sleeping with any sell sword whether it’s Daario or Bronn. They can easily sell her out or even murder her 2) I’m not a fan of GRRM sex scenes(which Daario has quite a few of). 3) I find his look kind of ridiculous (blue beard and what not). 4) Daario in turn makes Dany a more unlikable character. I think she’s naive for being with Daario. This is because of my preconception that Daario will betray her

    I used to feel the way you do, pretty much spot on.

    But what if you are wrong, and Daario never does betray her? When I began thinking that, I started reevaluating my feelings for the character, and realized that most of my dislike for him was based almost solely on his garish appearance. So, I was being really shallow.

    I’m actually not a big fan of either Daario or Bronn, as I value honor/righteousness and emotional complexity in the characters I really love. However, I think Dany should sleep with whoever she wants. And honestly, picking a paramour far below her station is a wise move, since both parties know that marriage isn’t on the table.

  • Josh Parker,

    lol I’ve always loved Anguy, because he’s an archer. But I also like Tom and Lem. Those 3 have always been the only “recognizable” faces from the BwB to me (not counting Beric and Thoros).

  • Steven Swanson: people do hate Daario, and with good reason. I mean I imagine there’s a fairly large proportion of male fans of this series who’ve lost out to the “bad boy” at some point in their lives.

    You consider this to be a “good reason” to hate the character?

    Seems like irrational projection to me.

  • I like the casting for Daario. He looks kind of cool and seems a little cocky in that clip, which is perfect.

    Still waiting for Strong Belwas though, my last hope for a badass “Drogo-like” warrior to accompany Dany around.

  • Dumb question, but is there any chance that we wont get a Daario with a blue hair and a blue beard ? For me a bald or a dark hair Daario would be strange

  • Tom O’ Sevens,

    From what appears to be being suggested in the last book , I don’t think Val and Dalla would combine well at all..babies..Val and Mance both surviving..the apparent chemistry between Val and Jon.

  • [email protected] Stark says:

    queenofthorns,

    I am with the Queen on this one. I like Daario in the book. Is he trustworthy? No of course not – who in GOT is? I like Jorah and well, I like Jorah. So the relationship is based on baufin’, apparently, that works for them.

  • queenofthorns,

    As long as some pants are still being dropped, I don’t really care. The bald look would actually be fine to me.

    So can we expect any more casting news in the following days? I don’t wanna be a downer but I think Val and Strong Belwas won’t make the cut… this season. They can also make something up to justify Mace Tyrell’s absence, I guess.

    Vargo Hoat and Mero are easy guesses to have made it, though.

  • Now we have got 80% of the characters of Season 3, I hope at least we get 1 new cast in 2 weeks in 2 weeks, even the minors, like when a Goaldcloak that confronts Yoren was cast and everyone thaught he was Jacelyn Bywater

  • Aegon the Conqueror,

    I think you’ve got your facts cross, friend. All the unsullied were described as smooth, lean and young men (keep in mind they’re all eunuchs, that’s a massive impact on body development so you could expect them all, being taken at such a young age, to develop smaller for feminine figures). Not sure why you would expect them to be big, I don’t recall a single mention of unsullied being renowned for their size or excessive musculature. As long as they’re all in good shape they could be any size. Doesn’t take a large man to work shortsword, spear and shield.

    I think they’re both excellent choices. After the miserable choice they made for Mance I was seriously beginning to worry. I don’t care what anyone says, I refuse to repeat his name, he’s a terrible actor and not phsyically correct in any way. The only thing that comes close to correct for him is his age.. which we all know means nothing as long the actor/tress can act.

  • Why does everyone assume that Daario will be bald by this guy’s picture? It may be 3 years old. I’ve never heard of him! He may have long hair or will wear something in place of it?

  • And by the way I am noticing a disturbing racist streak over these boards and others for that matter whenever a White person gets selected for a role that others perceive a minority deserves and yet the same folks decrying this applaud quite loudly when a White role gets “colored” over!

    If a long time fan of a certain franchise without an racist views bemoans the fact that a certain traditional character who happens to be White suddenly turns Black for PC purposes than suddenly they are tar and feathered as insensitive racist jerks by the same exact people who are making the same, exact insensitive racist comments in reverse!

  • Don, no such thing as “reverse racism”; or “reverse” whitewashing. One “race” of people historically and overwhelmingly gets all the best roles in English-language films. When someone of another color gets a role whose character is white, it’s called “progress.”

  • [email protected] Stark says:

    Voobz,

    I hope, dear sir, that you will be swayed by watching “Caesar” on Season 3. I too have character choices I did not like (i.e. HBO Yara and Jeyne) but I muddled through along with Y’s tea!!

  • I for one think it’s great that they’ve cast young actors in these parts. I always interpreted Dany’s journeys in SOS as a revolutionary movement, and having young lieutenants at her side will hopefully illustrate the contrasts between the older, decrepit rulers of slaver bay, and the youthful, idealistic upstarts.

    But where the heck is Strong Belwas!?!?!?

  • Tom Sevinstrings,

    Hang on a minute.. Daario doesn’t kill off his leader. Daario and the other 2 are supposed to be 3 co-leaders , but the one guy just decides things on the spot, on his own, and the second just goes along to get along ( or maybe they’re really close )..Since the 500 man company doesn’t rebel and kill Daario ( they do have him outnumbered ) , we can assume his actions were OK with them , and they help turn the tide for Dany… so ,??? We don’t yet know his motivefor offering himself as hostage …maybe an attempt at espionage on Dany’s behalf , for all we know Too soon to judge him so harshly.

  • Jacob Anderson as Grey Worm is about spot on to me.
    The Unsullied are not big guys, not chiseled 300 type warriors in any way. It’s pointed out int he books the house eunuchs grow big and fat, unsullied are more average in build, but not too muscled due to being cut.

    Ed Skein as Daario is a bit of a surprise, but I can see why he was cast too.
    Since the rumor was they wanted a non-white actor I assume we would get that. Not overly dark skinned, since Daario is pale (lighter than Jorah), but maybe Arab, Israeli, Indian etc… Skrein having no ethnic or POC traits surprised me a little.

    However, I can feel the swagger and cockiness coming off of the few pictures I have seen of Skrein. If he can convey that feel in a 2D medium I am comfortable with giving him a chance as Daario.The eyes were the most important bit to me honestly and Skrein has “Daario eyes” to me. If they do put a long wig and full beard on him, those eyes will still stand out and be seen.

    Mostly I am just glad it is not Naveen Andrews or Oded Fehr since both were wrong for Daario and I want to see one of them next year as Oberyn Martell!

    ETA:
    Total Daario eyes to me.
    http://paimages.s3.amazonaws.com/categories/entertainment/480×385/13661977.jpg

  • Cary,

    Wow. What a load of crock your spewing their Cary! lol Progress , huh? You are a blatant ultra Racist!! And yes their is such a thing as “reverse racism” it’s what your doing in your angry little diatribe.

  • Aegon the Conqueror,

    Just so. He looks like an overweening mother f****r. I already hate him, lol. Just great for Daario. The other one however… let’s see how they get it with all the makeup and outfit. Although being young should not be a problem since the unsullies are raised to fight no matter their ages…

  • Don,

    Wow, sorry to step on your privilege. I’m not angry, but I guess I hit a nerve with you. You went from zero to hyperbole in 10 seconds.

  • Aegon the Conqueror,

    The Unsullied are toned spearmen whose greatest asset and weakness is their training. They’re not supposed to be total tanks, just ruthlessly obedient. Their true strength lies in their commander. I agree a lot of warriors on the show could use a more demanding training regimen for the sake of plausibility, but the Unsullied don’t necessarily fall into that category. Essos is freaking hot and the Unsullied and trained to a particular physical peak within that environment. Lean and toned is more plausible than lots of bristling bulk, which would require lots of lifting, food and water to build and maintain.

    But man, Loras… he had better hair in S2, but was no more convincing as a warrior than before…

  • I read that the casting director of “The Sweeney” was so impressed with Skrein’s previous work so they cast him with no audition needed.

  • Don,

    It’s being willfully blind to ignore thousands of years of history, or even just the first century of filmmaking. Casting a white person to play a person of color really *is* a different thing than casting a person of color to play a role of indeterminate race, once you consider the historical context.

    Also Daario is not neccesarily “white” in the books, anyway. He’s from Essos, which is not Europe. All we know is that he’s handsome, “pale” and he has crazy hair and clothes.

  • We need Belwas, he is such a comical character. Dario can be used to kill the mareen hero for a narrative point of view but he won’t be able to represent the comical side of belwas. But seriously where is VAL. She is very important for the story.

  • queenofthorns,

    Oh wow! You are just as ultra racist as our good friend Cary! lol What do you know about struggles? How old are you? Do you compare your lives with that of your ancestors? LMAO!!!

  • queenofthorns:
    Don,

    It’s being willfully blind to ignore thousands of years of history, or even just the first century of filmmaking.Casting a white person to play a person of color really *is* a different thing than casting a person of color to play a role of indeterminate race, once you consider the historical context.

    Also Daario is not neccesarily “white” in the books, anyway.He’s from Essos, which is not Europe.All we know is that he’s handsome, “pale” and he has crazy hair and clothes.

    And explain to me this much! If he is handsome, “pale” and has crazy hair? How is he not White? Since when are they revising the different shades of WHITE? Pale is White… LOL

  • queenofthorns,

    I don’t really see a massive difference. I can understand being upset with racial casting if an important aspect of a character had to do with their race, but otherwise it more comes down to geographically making sense, and maybe socially in the context of the fictional universe. I don’t see why people care either way, be it Salla getting cast as a black person, or Daario getting cast as a white person. Neither of the characters are dependent on what race they are, it makes sense geographically and socially regardless of if they’re black or white, so I see no problem with either.

  • Don,

    I really don’t think you have any basis for claiming that this response is borne of a disregard for white people, or indeed that the show makes these sorts of casting decisions out of any political ideology. People of color often report frustration at the lack of interesting and identifiable characters who look like them being present popular entertainment. Adding such characters – and I do not assert that Daario Naharis is one such – as well as reducing the extent to which people of color are presented as only belonging to weird other cultures, so to speak, may lead to an increase in the show’s popular among people of color, as well as enhancing international appeal. Since white people are well represented on the show, there is no corresponding decrease among white viewership. This is no zero sum game: adding high quality characters of color benefits the show and its audience.

  • Aegon the Conqueror,

    I think you are not the only one but I honestly don’t understand why people have this urge to try and ridicule anyone who posts “first”. What does anyone gain from ridiculing someone else? Just ignore it is my advice.

  • Steven Swanson: But he/she’s right that plenty of people do hate Daario, and with good reason. I mean I imagine there’s a fairly large proportion of male fans of this series who’ve lost out to the “bad boy” at some point in their lives.

    Me, I’m fairly indifferent to the character, but was happy that Dany finally got some good nookie. And Skrein looks like he can pull off cocky asshole pretty well.

    queenofthorns: You consider this to be a “good reason” to hate the character?

    Seems like irrational projection to me.

    Steven Swanson: “Good” meaning “understandable”, not necessarily “good”. Was being just a tad sarcastic….

    I, too, think it’s a really stupid reason to dislike somebody. It isn’t even an understandable one. I can understand that somebody would have resentments because of such experience, however, resentment is not the same as dislike.
    If all the pretty sexy blonde girls would have gotten all the boys I wanted (which, by the way, happend quite some times), I wouldn’t hate all pretty blonde babes. I would have some resentments, perhaps, but I could still imagine having one as my friend, if they convinced me they are fine.
    Hating an entire group of people, just because you THINK some of them treated you bad (which, they didn’t, they just got the girl, and you didn’t, end of the story), than I think that’s a pretty lousy reason.

  • Watson,

    Umm, how do you know which response caused me to express myself? Are you a mind reader? I had no issues with that specific comment. I am referring to the much more “nastier in tone” type stuff that Mods will “overlook”.

  • Andrew,

    For me, I don’t care that Daario was being cast by a white actor, I agree with you that the role was not that great of a sticking point for someone of a less ethnically Northern European, especially given his physical description in the book; and we’ve already had more than a number of Essos characters who are physically Northern European.

    It’s the ignorance behind the mistaken impression that people of color being cast in racially ambiguous roles is in any way equitably associated with the broad historical implications of white people being cast in racially defined nonwhite roles. There is a fear often associated with white supremacy that if white people are not constantly asserting our dominance of people of other ethnic groups that somehow we will be taken over. This fear gives rise to the perpetuation of systemic oppressive behavior toward people who are not deemed “white”; even going so far as denial that such oppression still exists.

  • Don,

    I initially quoted the wrong post of yours. I am not a mind reader, I was responding to a post in which you explicitly accused others as posting insensitive racist remarks. Other than that, I have no idea what you’re talking about.

  • I seriously do not get all the race baiting from either side in relation to the Daario casting.

    All we know of Daario was he was paler than Jorah Mormont and had blue eyes and a hooked nose, while being lean and smooth and agile. The rest of the description is easily added if need be in wardrobe and makeup… colorful clothes, a wig, a beard if they chose to include the hair at all….

    Ed Skrein has 5 of the 6 traits described by GRRM. As Tyrosh has, and for that matter most of the Free Cities, never had a definititive ethnicity tagged to them I do not see the problem with this casting seeing as Skrein fits the large majority of GRRM’s description.

  • Cary,

    Well, I don’t think casting a black person in an ambiguous role is equal to casting a white in a non-white role. I do, however, think it’s equal to casting a black in a white role, as they did with Salla and Xaro. As mentioned before though, if race is actually a part of the character, then I don’t think it’s right. It’s all well and good to want more people of your specific race in a production, but getting upset when a character is cast as another race just seemed a bit of an over-reaction to me.

    Don’t lump me in with Don, though, I don’t think either you or QueenofThorns are ultra racists, or even racist in the slightest. Just wasn’t sure why anyone cared much about the subject.

  • Cary:
    Andrew,

    For me, I don’t care that Daario was being cast by a white actor, I agree with you that the role was not that great ofa sticking point for someone of a less ethnically Northern European, especially given his physical description in the book; and we’ve already had more than a number of Essos characters who are physically Northern European.

    It’s the ignorance behind the mistaken impression that people of color being cast in racially ambiguous roles is in any way equitably associated with the broad historical implications of white people being cast in racially defined nonwhite roles. There is a fear often associated with white supremacy that if white people are not constantly asserting our dominance of people of other ethnic groups that somehow we will be taken over.

    I love Idris Elba but their is no way he should’ve been cast as Heimdall in Thor anymore than this guy should’ve been cast as Daario Naharis. But in your anti White, ethno masochist mind you feel that one is far more “progressive” because it props up a person of color over a White person! lol

    Trust me. My comments are rather wonderbread milquetoast as to how truly frightening yours are!

  • darquemode,

    Skrein is fine, by the description. The reason some people are disappointed is that sources told us that they were auditioning only non-Caucasian for Daario. Given the show’s lack of people of color in notable roles, it would’ve been a nice switch. That is why some are annoyed by the casting. But yeah, Daario is pale.

    I would be very careful about accusing people of race baiting when they are expressing disappointment in a legitimate and polite manner.

  • Andrew,

    I apologize if you feel I was lumping you in with someone else, that was absolutely and certainly not the intent of my addressing my comment to you! I started my response to you and then ran on with the continued discussion on this board.

  • Cary,

    Oh, no, I didn’t get the impression you did, I just didn’t want you to if you hadn’t already :P I entered the discussion before he started slinging “Ultra racist” and such around.

  • Voobz,

    You will be eating your words come season 3 re: Cirian Hinds

    As for the eunuchs, I’m not simply using GRRM’s description I am using historical evidence. They would not be freakishly small, having trained their entire lives they would be rather muscled even without the testostarone. I did not say I want a Drogo or a Strong Belwas, just someone a little bigger. Also the only vice that is left to a eunuch is eating, therefore most are all a little chubby (think Varys) the fat over the muscle would make for a bigger warrior. So no I do not have my facts crossed.

  • Andrew:
    Cary,

    Well, I don’t think casting a black person in an ambiguous role is equal to casting a white in a non-white role. I do, however, think it’s equal to casting a black in a white role, as they did with Salla and Xaro. As mentioned before though, if race is actually a part of the character, then I don’t think it’s right. It’s all well and good to want more people of your specific race in a production, but getting upset when a character is cast as another race just seemed a bit of an over-reaction to me.

    Don’t lump me in with Don, though, I don’t think either you or QueenofThorns are ultra racists, or even racist in the slightest. Just wasn’t sure why anyone cared much about the subject.

    Lump me in with what?! Do you think I am a racist for speaking up about blatant anti White racism on this board of late?

  • Ours is the Fury,

    Calling someone racist without knowing a person because of a comment expressing their opinion on a topic is what then? I always thought race baiting was using derisive language to anger or prompt others to respond in kind or to intimidate. If I’m wrong I apologize.

    I completely understand disappointment in any casting. More so one where they were supposedly looking for a POC, but how does that give anyone the right to call someone racist?

    To me Daario was a racially ambiguous role, and disappointment or the satisfaction of Daario being cast as white is no reason to call others racist.

  • Wheelo,

    Still say Loras was too skinny in season 1 and then season 2 he looked to fat. Please check above comment for an explanation on what I meant. Wasn’t looking for a body builder.

  • Hassan Madkour,

    As far as most people are convinced, he’s already been cast with Iwan Rheon, whom HBO announced as “Boy.” He was seen filming torture-related scenes with Alfie Allen.

  • queenofthorns: She knows all this, though.Which is why she wisely just uses him (and the reverse) for sex.However, I do think that GRRM is probably trying to fuck with us, and Daario will turn out to be completely loyal to Dany.He’s already shown some signs that he’s probably actually in love with her , despite his cavalier attitute

    Daario is smart.He leads 500 men on several extremely successful campaigns during ‘Dance.He’s very good at his job.He also sees through people’s bullshit repeatedly, showing social intelligence (Reznak, Hizdar, Jorah).What evidence do you have that he’s not intelligent?

    “Most fans” (by which I think you mean most male fans) are upset that Dany didn’t go for the guy that they consider to be more like themselves.Either Jorah who was becoming a jealous “nice guy” type by the end and who ended up seriously violating her trust,or poor Quentyn who just came at a terrible time.Guess what?People should be allowed to choose to sleep with people they are attracted to, not be expected to fuck people just because they are nice to them.

    I’ll say it again, of all the characters in ASOIAF, Daario is most similar to Bronn.Who all the fans love.Cognitive Dissonance!!!

    “The Situation” is not actually confident.He’s weak and pushes people around to build himself up, but ends up even weaker as a result.Daario doesn’t do this.He murders people to get ahead, and he murders people because it’s his job.He’s not compensating for anything.

    I generally agree with you. I dislike people like Daario (and book Bronn), personally. A lot of people can be friends with someone they wouldn’t want their sister dating; I wouldn’t. But I agree with you on where a lot of the hatred of Daario comes from.

    That said, I cannot agree with you on Daario’s inner psyche.

    All we see of Daario is Dany’s (and a bit of Barristan’s) viewpoint. Dany doesn’t see weakness in Daario – she’s hardly unbiased. And it’s very well written and realistic and all that… but you really can’t say Daario isn’t overcompensating. Any guy that massages naked-women daggers is overcompensating.

    I do think the hatred of him is overstated, due to how Dany reacts to him (hyper-dependent) and how he treats others.

  • Don:
    Watson,

    Umm, how do you know which response caused me to express myself? Are you a mind reader? I had no issues with that specific comment. I am referring to the much more “nastier in tone” type stuff that Mods will “overlook”.

    The only one being nasty here is you. You need to tone it down. You can discuss and debate your viewpoint without attacking other posters here. This is your one and only warning.

  • I don’t read any “race baiting” into the initial disappointment with Daario’s casting. They said they were going to cast a person of color. They didn’t. This is grounds for genuine disappointment among those of us who would like to see the show broaden its palette. Not all statements about race are intended to bait others.

  • m_k,

    Agreed, we still need Val/Dalla (hopefully played by Sophia Myles), Strong Belwas (Hawaii 5-O guy) and Vargo Hoat, then the cast is rounded out.
    I do like Skrein as Daario, especially after watching the clip, but Jacob looks awefully fragile to be Greyworm, hopefully a trainer will buff him up in time before his scenes are filmed.

  • queenofthorns:
    BOOO Daario’s a white guy BOOOOOOORING!!!

    Also he’s not even a particularly attractive white dude, IMO.Why should we have to “love to hate” him?He’s the Essosi version of Bronn.People just don’t like him because THEY want in Dany’s pants themselves, and/or they have niceguy sympathy for Jorah.

    I’m very disappointed.

    There’s been a lot of conjecture by book readers about the implications of Daario’s looks. He’s supposed to have some Valyrian qualities. So he’s not supposed to be a person of color.

    I wondered, when that call went out for people of color, if that meant that his ethnicity had no real plot implications and was just being over-analyzed by people. After all, purple eyes and/or silver hair seems to be much more common in Essos.

    Now that he’s white again, I wonder if it means it DOES mean something.

  • Where is Roslin, Black Walder, The Kettleblacks and they should introduce Merrett Frey. They should use him alot. Because his importent because Lady Stoneheart kills him.

  • Sheez quite hot in here.

    I don’t get why the whole race issue argument is going on. There is no reason to argue imo.
    In Nina Gold we trust. Yes they asked for other ethnic races, but of those who auditioned they probably did not get the right one. I know this Daario will be wonderful and he has that all important arrogant look to him. I did not complain when Anaso Anonzie was cast as Xaro (an explicitly stated white guy) because I knew he was the best and he proved me right.
    Daario’s heritage is never mentioned, for all we know he could have Westerosi gran parents.
    I think the only time someone has a reason to complain is when a white guy is cast to play a black character and does so with the help of make up. Think back to Ben Kingsley playing Ghandi. Then and only do you have an argument. I get that some are dissapointed we did not get a non white guy, but as I have stated before, just having colour of the sake of colour is not a good thing. They could have cast a freaking red indian for all I care, as long as he was the best guy available. Nuff said!

  • glenn:
    someone trained from a young age to be a warrior/soldier would be muscular but lean aswell as they would have 0% body fat. they wouldnt be overly big as they dont just work out and then down a protein shake and flex their pecs in the mirror. they would view speed and agility just as important as strength.

    on another note we shouldnt take grrms descriptions on things as law when it comes to the tv show. as much as they use the books LOTS of things and people are different in the show. dany 13 years of old?

    Someone with 0% body fat would be dead.

    I know people love 300, but the warriors of that era — or the middle ages — would not look like well-toned body builders. People weren’t lifting free weight or eating lean or looking to get definition. Jason Momoa was a terrible representation of what Drogo would have actually looked like — what horse-riding raider without armor would bulk up that much?

    Their musculature would be defined by their training. Repetitive Spearthrowing or sword slashing, and lots of lots of jogging with armor on.

    The result is not some dude with cut muscles and abnormally low body fat. The unsullied aren’t lifting weights and they aren’t even practicing one on one fighting nearly as much as they are practicing group tactics and general conditioning.

  • Nicolai Hansen:
    Where is Roslin, Black Walder, The Kettleblacks and they should introduce Merrett Frey. They should use him alot. Because his importent because Lady Stoneheart kills him.

    That is the one thing that I am confused by to be perfectly honest with you. Where are the Freys? I guess their is still time for further casting choices in the future but we need them since they play very important parts this season.

    And I think they should’ve made Grey Worm the guy they cast for Prendahl na Ghezn!! He looks much more intimidating.

  • Honestly, it would have been VERY weird for them to out of their way to cast Daario as non-white. Even as a member of an ethnic minority, good casting wins out over diversity. When it comes to my media intake, I’m a fan looking for quality over diversity.

    Even if Daario isn’t supposed to be fair-skinned, Essos is home to pale exotic peoples such as the Asshai’i. I’m actually kind of glad not every dark magic wielder or sellsword is black or Asian or whatnot.

  • Aegon the Conqueror,

    I think in a fantasy world we need to take the author’s own description as law in that world. GRRM has stated the Unsullied were not overly muscled, large or fat. If I recall it was because of their constant training that they remained smaller in fact. At least when compared to eunuch household guards that bloat up due to inactivity and having only one vice left to them – eating.

    I’m sure the Unsullied come in all shapes and sizes actually. I would think with thousands of Unsullied we will have taller and shorter Unsullied, thinner and fatter Unsullied etc. Different genetics should react to the Unsullied training regime in different ways I would imagine. Although I do not think any of them eat enough to be hugely muscled. Personally I never took Grey Worm as large at all. I always saw him in my mind as rather trim honestly. Maybe the random name influenced me inappropriately? XD

  • Aegon the Conqueror: I did not complain when Anaso Anonzie was cast as Xaro (an explicitly stated white guy)

    Respectfully, it’s not the same thing. Television is very white, and Game of Thrones has very few good roles for people of color, surprising given it has a huge cast. White people are not marginalized. Other people have said it far more eloquently than I have. Maybe I’ll go dig up a blog or something about it.

  • Aegon the Conqueror,

    As I said, I don’t care about the casting for Game of Thrones, I think Nina Gold has done a decent job so far, with some rather unexpected casting choices. I think people were shocked that Daario was cast as a white person because, as Watson said, we understood that they had called for a person of color–it’s hard to know what happened during casting, however. I think GoT has done a fairly decent job with hiring non-white actors and actresses. My beef was with the general characterization of people’s opinions.

    For myself, I just expect Daario to look good without clothes. Because there are enough opportunities to wince at the screen in this series, love scenes shouldn’t make me do it.

  • Ours is the Fury,

    But what is wrong with following a show regardless of color? I loved the Wire and it was far more non White than White. I loved McNaulty as much as Omar, Stringer, Bubbles; etc;

    Without pointing fingers and crying I was just pointing out that their seem’s to be a nasty strain of anti White on this and other boards of late. I love watching quality tv and like everyone.

    But if I make the same exact points that anyone else seems to make I am instantly chased off with pitch forks.

    I am tired of it…

  • Carne,

    He was Cassius, right? I remember–I agree, great choice. I still think that the Goat has already been cast, and we just haven’t been told which of the actors it is.

  • Carne,

    I would have loved Henry as Vargo Hoat!

    He and Jason Flemyng were my two favorite in the role I think…. Don’t you think Tom Brooke was cast as Vargo Hoat though? Or are you just holding out a abit of hope that Brooke will be Shagwell or some other Brave Companion and the Goat’s casting has eluded us?

  • I don’t have a problem with Daario being white. Frankly, I was more surprised when they put out the casting call and they only wanted non-caucasion looking men to audition for him. I always pictured him as Valyrian looking, which to me is basically white like the Targs. The actor they cast has the perfect Daario face.

  • Steven Swanson: But he/she’s right that plenty of people do hate Daario, and with good reason. I mean I imagine there’s a fairly large proportion of male fans of this series who’ve lost out to the “bad boy” at some point in their lives.

    Me, I’m fairly indifferent to the character, but was happy that Dany finally got some good nookie. And Skrein looks like he can pull off cocky asshole pretty well.

    I find the Dany story very realistic b/c of a lot of this. It’s funny — it reminds me of some of my female friends, who hate the double standard of men being able to have a casual relationship but not women.

    But here’s the thing: they often can’t either. The ones stopping them are themselves — the emotional attachment is more important than the physical. As much as it sounds great to say to Dany — you get yourself some! — there’s some wonderful lines in there about her emotional needs not getting fulfilled, which are realistic as well.

    Particularly crushing is the line where Dany doesn’t believe Dany would be interested in her if she were not queen. This is Dany’s perception — not Daario’s words so I’m not blaming him. But it’s sad all the same, and I find actually a very nuanced relationship once people get past the first blush.

    I’m glad I re-read. There’s a lot there.

    I do think Daario is bad for her. Dany is obviously not looking for just for sex; she’s looking for something more. And it’s clear she doesn’t really have that with Daario. She has a distraction.

  • I think we need WiC to harass D&D until they cave and cast our Strong Belwas? Who else is going to take a dump (another HBO first) live and then eat some raw liver after pwning some noob on a horse? Come on! I nominate Teila Tuli!! Aka the big samoan dude from the new Hawaii Five o! Why?

    1. He LOOKS like Strong Belwas.
    2. He’s a legit former sumo wrestler (i.e not just a fat slob, but a skilled fat fighter who could do some stunts).
    3. He’s done acting, sure he may not be an emmy winner but if he can play the random big guy on hawaii five o then I’m sure he could play the snarky Belwas on GoT!
    4. BIG BELLY
    5. He actually fought in the first UFC 1. That alone makes him a legend!

    pic: http://img853.imageshack.us/img853/1531/gerardgordeauvsteilatul.png
    wiki: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Teila_Tuli

  • Don: Ours is the Fury, But what is wrong with following a show regardless of color? I loved the Wire and it was far more non White than White. I loved McNaulty as much as Omar, Stringer, Bubbles; etc;Without pointing fingers and crying I was just pointing out that their seem’s to be a nasty strain of anti White on this and other boards of late. I love watching quality tv and like everyone. But if I make the same exact points that anyone else seems to make I am instantly chased off with pitch forks.I am tired of it…

    It’s not necessarily the points you’re making but the way you’re making them. You got pretty frothy there, and the posts you were responding to were not (even if some were a little self-righteously politically correct). Save yourself some soul juice, don’t bother arguing with everybody you disagree with, most people already have their minds made up anyway.

  • Cary,

    Yea, Vargo has probably already been cast.

    darquemode,

    Still hoping for Henry even though it’s very unlikely :P

    I agree though, out of the actors that have been cast but we don’t know who they are playing I’d say Tom Brooke is most likely the Goat.

  • if we don’t get him in Season 3 , maybe Strong Belwas will get written in in a later season like the Reeds. I hope we get him. LOVE Strong Belwas.

  • Obsidian:
    Tom Sevinstrings,

    Hang on a minute.. Daario doesn’t kill off his leader. Daario and the other 2 are supposed to be 3 co-leaders , but the one guy just decides things on the spot, on his own,and the second just goes along to get along ( or maybe they’re really close )..Since the 500 man company doesn’t rebel and kill Daario ( they do have him outnumbered ) , we can assume his actions were OK with them , and they help turn the tide for Dany… so ,???We don’t yet know his motivefor offering himself as hostage …maybe an attempt at espionage on Dany’s behalf , for all we know Too soon to judge him so harshly.

    Oh, jeez, that’s some ridiculous rationalization. Daario did not take a freaking vote of the Storm Crows and remove a tyrannical dictator through revolution. He’s a murderer. Now, there are plenty of those we cheer — including Arya, who does it for apparently nothing except training — and even more who do it for money in some way. But Daario’s motivation was not some democratic good-hearted motivation.

  • The only remaining characters from Dany’s chapter of Book 3 (before Mereen) to be cast are:

    Mero (confirmed via leaked audition)
    Strong Belwas
    Brown Ben Plumm

  • While I always imagined Daario with a darker complexion, Ed Skrein looks pretty good and has the swagger needed for the character. Give the guy a tanning membership and he will be perfect. Or don’t, makes no difference to me.

  • Hi-Fi: Noah Taylor and Burn Gorman are definitely Night Watch’s men, right?

    That was the speculation, based on them being in Belfast and filming when we knew for certain that some Night’s Watch filming was happening. However, it’s always possible they were filming other scenes at another set or studio area that weren’t part of the NW story. We have to wait and see, it seems.

  • Drfunk,

    He was the first actor that came into my mind too!
    He has the perfect build for the role… and the perfect hairstyle too! XD

    I also thought of the stuntman and actor Sala Baker could be a good Belwas. He played a number of roles in the Lord of the Rings trilogy, mostly in heavy make-up. He has since to the the acting side side of things more than stunt work…. He has huge arms and that somewhat goofy, disconnected look that makes people not take Belwas seriously.
    Few pics… 1 , 2 , 3

  • Guys, do you think that Nikolaj will shave his head, as a Jaime did in the book? I think, that would be cool. It really helped me to view Jaime as a bit different person (also without a hand)

  • Cary,

    Gorman as Vargo would work wonderfully as well, but I was under the impression he was spotted filming scenes North of the Wall. Maybe someone can correct me here?

    Yeah, I remember seeing the Mero video (and also an audition for one of Margaery’s cousins) but it’s been so many videos and speculations… I’d love some confirmation on this as well.

  • Cary,

    If I had to pick between Gorman and Taylor for Hoat I think I’d go with Taylor, considering he looks the part. Gorman is a brilliant actor and has played a range of creepy characters, but if one of them is Vargo I have a feeling it is Taylor.

  • darquemode,

    thanks. He is very interesting, and at 29, is definitely of an age to be the character he is depicting, whilst also a contrast to older figures in the show.

  • Carne,

    But he was so lovable in Almost Famous!

    All kidding aside, he’d KILL as Vargo. I was certain that they were Night Watch’s men, but now my mind is racing with the possibilities.

  • Anyone has word from Laura Pradelska’s agent? I wonder if we’re going to see Quaithe prophesying to Dany before she leaves Quarth. They never interacted in Season 2.

  • darquemode:
    Drfunk,

    He was the first actor that came into my mind too!
    He has the perfect build for the role… and the perfect hairstyle too! XD

    I also thought of the stuntman and actor Sala Baker could be a good Belwas.He played a number of roles in the Lord of the Rings trilogy, mostly in heavy make-up. He has since to the the acting side side of things more than stunt work…. He has huge arms and that somewhat goofy, disconnected look that makes people not take Belwas seriously.
    Few pics… 1 , 2 , 3

    That actor looks great as well! As long as they can get a guy who has the body build of our favorite Pit Fighter. Just like Brienne’s casting (physique/looks will matter), they need an actor who doesn’t look intimidating at all due to his big fat body. The thing I really like about Tuli besides his awesome physique for this role is his goofy grin. His epic moment vs the hero of mereen is going to be a big scene in the show. He’d also make the transition of Arstan Whitebeard smoother instead of making a new storyline without him.

  • Alan: Oh, jeez, that’s some ridiculous rationalization. Daario did not take a freaking vote of the Storm Crows and remove a tyrannical dictator through revolution. He’s a murderer. Now, there are plenty of those we cheer — including Arya, who does it for apparently nothing except training — and even more who do it for money in some way. But Daario’s motivation was not some democratic good-hearted motivation.

    True. But that doesn’t mean he isn’t loyal to Dany simply because he is a sellsword. Some might argue that killing the former leaders was his first act of loyalty.

    Besides, being a murderer is a requirement on this show.

  • Jaison Biagini,

    As someone here previously stated, he looks “fragile” not what I want in Grey Worm, regardless of size. Bron isn’t a very big guy and fragile is the last word you would use to describe him. Understand what I mean.

    Darquemode ASOIAF has always been incredibly realistic, I’m not saying the Unsullied should be fat or hugely muscular, just that they must not look like a wind can knock them over is all. Right now Grey Worm looks like that. I have no doubt he will be a fantastic actor, I just hope they make him a little bit more “?unfragile?”

  • Cary,

    Apparently he had a mustache like that when he was spotted in Belfast. Though he’s probably a NW member and not Vargo.

  • Hi-Fi,

    I still like Julian Seager for Mero.
    I know he auditioned for the role, but he and his agent couldn’t comment of course. Seager did add “I wouldn’t be able to say if I got it [the role] though ;) “

  • Not sure why there’s so much Daario hate going on here. Darrio is a Justin Timberlake/Bieber version of Bronn. They have the same moral code of doing w/e it takes to get the job done. The same practicality in terms of moral value. They each show a soft spot for company they enjoy in Tyrion and Dany. At the end of the day, they are the same character with different names. What separates Daario from Bronn is the fact he’s more outlandish and cockier (if that’s even possible) than Bronn. The thing that makes him such a funny character is that he can back up the trash talk with his R rated weapons. Obviously I’m not trying to claim that Daario is one of the “good guys”, but it would be unfair to get on the hate train for one and be on the bandwagon for another (Bronn).

  • Carne,

    That’s okay, I’m still going to place odds on Burn Gorman as Vargo. Just on the remote chance I’m right and everyone else is wrong and I can say “I told you so” :-)

  • crack,

    I really hope so, but I doubt it. I would imagine it depends on what other roles he has in the coming year, though.

  • TheAmir:
    That is NOT at all how I pictured Grey Worm. I pictured him much larger and a bit older, with a battle hardened look…not a baby faced teenager.

    Oh well.

    Daario I could care less about.

    Where’s VARGO????

    I agree, just can’t picture this actor giving the charcater justice.

  • Ours is the Fury,

    I get that, but that’s simply because a Western country controls most of the media. I realise that making it as an actor of colour is more difficult than a white actor, but the simple truth is, and I might get nailed for this statement but it’s true and there have been several studies on this, films with a predominantly white cast or a white lead make more money.
    Most of ASOIAF takes place on a Europe esque continent which explains the greater number of white roles. The Dothraki were of so many different colours they looked like they were South African and I was fine with that because it is Essos. I get that people are dissapointed about the white casting but who knows what happened during the casting process. I’m sure Daario will be loved or loved to be hated by all after season 3.

  • Hi-Fi:
    Anyone has word from Laura Pradelska’s agent? I wonder if we’re going to see Quaithe prophesying to Dany before she leaves Quarth. They never interacted in Season 2.

    I didn’t understand why Quaithe was even included in Season 2. Her role was kind of silly, really, and unnecessary as written.

    That’s my way of saying I hope so.

  • I want to state one thing about casting:

    Merging Val and Dalla would be an awful idea imo.

    Val is fierce and independent. She’s wild, she’s a lover.

    Dalla is a mother, gentle, shy, discreet… I so hope they wont merge them !

    And down the line, if they merge them, it will make some troubles when Stannis will offer Val to Jon if she’s still Mance’s wife… and it would be stupid to take her off her baby and bring him to a wet nurse…

    So I sure hope they wont merge them !

  • kk

    Don:
    queenofthorns,

    Oh wow! You are just as ultra racist as our good friend Cary! lol What do you know about struggles? How old are you? Do you compare your lives with that of your ancestors? LMAO!!!

    You, know, it’s not as if minorities don’t have to struggle any more. I don’t have to identify with anyone’s ancestors to understand white privilege. It’s still a thing.

    To this day, the majority of substantial roles are still written explicetly for white actors. Non-white actors get fewer opportunities. That’s unfair and also a waste of talent. If you look at from the perspective of creating equal job opportunities for talented actors regardless of skin colour, there’s definitely a difference between giving a potentially white part to a POC and giving a potentially POC part to a white actor. One addresses an unfair imbalance on the job market; the other one doesn’t. It’s really not more complicated than that.

  • fuelpagan: True. But that doesn’t mean he isn’t loyal to Dany simply because he is a sellsword. Some might argue that killing the former leaders was his first act of loyalty.

    Besides, being a murderer is a requirement on this show.

    No argument there. There’s even evidence that he cares for Dany more than he lets on.

    But even so, let’s not pretend he doesn’t kill for personal gain. He’s no saint, and clearly has less moral qualms than Dany.

  • OT: In this Joe Dempsie interview, he says his good friend was a huge ASOIAF fan, “such a big fan that even HE disapproved of my casting” because he didn’t look exactly like Gendry from the books. LOL.

  • Don: And explain to me this much! If he is handsome, “pale” and has crazy hair? How is he not White? Since when are they revising the different shades of WHITE? Pale is White… LOL

    Do you know any Japanese people? I was in Japan recently and 3/4 of the people there were paler than I am (white person of german and scandinavian descent here). Not everyone with “pale skin” is “white” AKA European. There are also peoples with pale skin in certain parts of Central asia, and the middle east.

    There were a lot of people that thought Melisandre should be cast as an Asian woman, because they always thought Asshai was like East Asia, and she would have milky pale skin like many of the people there.

    Also I don’t know why you are being so hostile that other people envisioned the character differently than you and were therefore disappointed at the casting.

  • Arkash,

    Dalla could be a featured extra, or have just a few lines, I suppose. You are correct concerning her future and the events surrounding them, and it would be better to have both. In any event Sophia Myles for Val, as she was the actress I envisioned when reading the books, perhaps because I had just watched Outlander, and her role in that film is similar to Val.

  • Hi-Fi,

    His agent actually commented on my casting page and thanked me for suggesting him adding he had submitted Seager for the role and noted that Seager has worked with the Game of Thrones combat trainer in the past. For whatever that’s worth I guess….

    Seager never stated directly that he audtioned so I may be wrong. Although he did say that there was no word yet as to whether or not he got the role. To me that implied he did audition.

  • Daario is all about the swagger and cockiness with the actual skills to back it up. As long as Ed Skrein can pull that off he’ll be fine.

    Jacob Anderson looks good as well. The Unsullied in the book either just finished their training or were still in training. Grey Worm wasn’t a veteran put in charge, he was just the top of his “class”, so he should be young. And the Unsullied are feared for their discipline and training as a unit, not for their individual physical prowess.

  • tysnow,

    I agree, Sophia Myles would be an excellent Val !

    And to have a featured extra for Dalla would be the best, she’d have two scenes I guess: When Jon meets Mance.
    When she dies.

  • Carne,

    Anything as long as they dont merge them !

    I am not a purist, I have said that a hundreds times and I am open to changes…

    But merging Val and Dalla would ruin things for me… especially since Val is one of my favorite secondary characters.

  • darquemode,

    Which reminds me, we need to start campaigning (contacting agents, etc…) for our favorites from your list for Season 4. : )

    There are so many great possibilities, though! It’s hard to choose.

  • darquemode:
    Jacob Anderson as Grey Worm is about spot on to me…

    Ed Skein as Daario is a bit of a surprise, but I can see why he was cast too…

    ETA:
    Total Daario eyes to me.
    http://paimages.s3.amazonaws.com/categories/entertainment/480×385/13661977.jpg

    Yes. A woman agrees he does have “Daario eyes” as you have said. Wasn’t really thrilled about this pick till that picture, shows that he can have the “dreamy” look Dany dwells on, yet is a “medieval gangsta” type with a powerful aura as well. The right age, though it is known that an actor of color was expected (and sought out) but for some reason not found this time. Since we cannot all be in the casting office with Nina et al, we will have to have faith that he can carry this role. Remember, Ser Ilyn Payne is also a musician with little film experience and he is awesome for the role. For Grey Worm, this guy looks right IMO, since a woman thought that the “Kenyan marathon runner” build would be appropriate for warriors with their background and reputation for stamina, training, and team-work.

    D&D and Nina et all have proven some expertise here, let’s give the new actors a chance to prove themselves before we bash them, OK folks?

  • andrea:
    Daario is a smug tool but also dangerous, this actor has certain spark in his eyes and looks dangerous enough. I thought they would cast someone similar to Drogo (to explain Daenery´s crush).
    I always thought Grey Worm would be someone young and not muscular. Don´t know why thoughbecause I don´t remember his description.
    Like them both.
    Bring Strong Belwas now. I want to laugh.

    Same here, but Ours is the Fury got the right of it. I’m hoping Daario gets a tan but
    this does have a nice smirk about him. Strong Belwas will be served up as a main
    course with spicy honeyed locusts on the side :D

  • Hi. Looks like Darrio is still eliciting passion from people, either for or against. I don’t particularly trust him, for obvious reasons, and I wouldn’t be upset if he was one of the bodies being slung over the walls. Rakharo on the other hand… eh, that’s a moot point for the show, anyway. Now, while I find Daario, by definition, to be untrustworthy, and kinda sleazy, he doesn’t raise as many flags as someone like, say, Bloodraven.

    As far as the actors go, I’m sure they’ll do a great job. In general, I get more and more pleased with the acting on this show. I especially like Grey Worm’s casting. He looks similar to how I imagined him in my head, until I saw a few pieces of fan art where he was much larger and paler. I’m pleased to be able to re-adjust my mental picture of him.

    Oh, and I do wish some folks in this thread would be more careful with using spoiler tags on their comments, especially regarding Dany’s relationships with Darrio and/or Jorah.

  • Hi-Fi,

    I plan on waiting until Season 3 begins to campaign for Season 4 roles! XD

    I want to know who is in this season and see if there are hints about what roles may be eliminated from how D&D play out the story etc…. Not to mention I want to see which of my favorite actors for certain roles have new TV or film projects on their schedule. Many of my favorites were eliminated becuase of other projects last year I know….

    Although I guess it’s fairly safe to aasume roles like the Martells, Sand Snakes and Greyjoy brothers will be in Season 4.

    Oh well, I’m waiting for a few months at least personally….

  • Aegon the Conqueror:
    Matt Kelly,

    I thought Eunuch’s could grow up to humongous sizes and were always a bit on plump side.

    True to a point, we’ve seen many images like that in some movies but I believe it’s
    a stereotype. Varys would be ideal in a loin cloth for some. I hope this gentleman
    can hold up his end with the script he’s given.

  • Hi-Fi,

    Yes. Be sure to contact Oded Fehr’s agent about the role of the Red Viper. I don’t usually picture specific actors while reading, but the Red Viper was the one exception.

  • Hi-Fi:
    darquemode,

    Which reminds me, we need to start campaigning (contacting agents, etc…) for our favorites from your list for Season 4. : )

    There are so many great possibilities, though! It’s hard to choose.

    So who can we get Dominic West to play in Season 4 now that Mance is no longer available? :-) Maybe Euron Greyjoy?

  • Aegon the Conqueror:
    fiendebass,

    Why am I the only one who gets crap when he is first? Check every thread for the last couple of months and you will see I am not the only one who does it.
    Besides the mere idea that I would be anywhere at 7am except for gym or my bed is ridiculous!

    I think this person is either a newbie or hasn’t visited the site in a long while, so
    ignore the outburst. You’ve been second before, what’s it like to be first ? Even on
    days that I’m online or within the site shortly after the thread goes up, I’ve never
    been 1st or 2nd ):

  • Noooooooooo! This actor is the anti-Daario, the un-Daario, in both physical appearance and mannerisms.

    On the other hand, he fits my mental image of Ramsay Snow absolutely perfectly.

  • Tyrion Pimpslap,

    I know right?
    I tend to get more vague interpretations in my mind, but with Oberyn it was Oded Fehr from the first reading. Likewise, I imagined James Purefoy as Euron Greyjoy and Indira Varma as Ellaria Sand. Most of the other roles were generic types more than specific actors.

  • Tyrion Pimpslap,

    Oh yes please do, busy with a re-read of ASOS and when I first saw this suggestion something just clicked! Cannot and don’t want to imagine anyone else as the RV. So please someone for the love of GOT email his agent.

  • Carne:
    Varamyr Fourskins,

    Who’s Harma Dogshead :S?

    I was hoping to forget Harma and her brother Halek the Wildling, the were so creepy and ruthless. They were forgetable as far as I’m concerned unless GoT wishes to
    underscore that trait .

  • WildSeed,

    This is actually the second time I’m first. but the other wasn’t nearly as important. The post about the guy trying to find Ygritte’s rock. The reason why I responded was cause someone burned me then as well. That’s the reason why I responded.

  • Watson:
    A lot of people seem to have a visceral reaction to Daenerys “wasting her time” with Daario. I find it particularly odd, since she essentially risks nothing in the relationship and repeatedly shows herself to be able to refuse him and even push him aside. Compare that to how much time Tyrion wastes on Shae and how much he risks compared with how little she offers him, especially as she appears in the books, as a prostitute pretending to be a naive farmgirl. I always wonder why people don’t share the same response to that relationship. In this regard Daenerys is a much stronger character then Tyrion emotionally and I, for one, support her in her casual dalliances.

    queenofthorns: My biggest fear, though, is that D&D share TheAmir’s opinion, and will turn him into a complete unlikable asshole (rather than a charismatic ruthless killer) while continuing to whitewash Jorah.

    I couldn’t agree more with both of you.

  • Carne,

    Makes perfect sense… I just love that photo so much! XD
    I can maybe see him as Hizdahr zo Loraq too… but the eyes do seem more Viper to me.

  • TheAmir: Because he’s the ASOIAF version of The Situation. It’s more or less Dany has really shitty taste in men.

    Uh, no. Daario is the exact opposite of The Situation. He’s more like James Bond: a ruthless, faithless killer who is so ridiculously charismatic and sexy that you can’t help but want a piece of it, even though you know damn well it’s a bad idea, and that it might even get you killed. That’s Daario in a nutshell.

  • Hi-Fi,

    Can we all start contacting the following?

    Sophia Myles as Val
    Gary Stretch as Ser Osmund Kettleblack
    Robert Bathurst as Lord Mace Tyrell
    Taylor Willy as Strong Belwas
    David O’Hara as Lord Captain Victarion Greyjoy
    James Purefoy as Euron Greyjoy
    Federico Castelluccio as Prince Oberyn Martell
    Kevin R. McNally as Donal Noye
    Anatole Taubman as Aeron “Damphair” Greyjoy
    Andrew Tiernan as Nute the Barber
    Andrew Pleavin as Qarl the Maid
    Richard Griffiths as Lord Wyman Manderly
    Rosario Flores as Ellaria Sand
    Aneurin Barnard as Satin
    Adam Alexi-Malle as Brown Ben Plumm
    Manuel Cauchi as Prince Doran Martell
    Giacomo Gonnella as Captain Areo Hotah
    Kaya Scodelario as Princess Arianne Martell
    Arnold Vosloo as Skahaz mo Kandaq
    Omid Djalili as Reznak mo Reznak
    Allen Leech as Tristopher Botley
    Darren Boyd as Ser Hyle Hunt
    Ewan Stewart as Lord Randyll Tarly
    Ron Cook as Nimble Dick Crabb
    Rupert Friend as Brynden “Bloodraven” Rivers
    Jake Curran as Ser Arys Oakheart
    Clara Perez as Obara Sand
    Alexander Siddig as Hizdahr zo Loraq
    Philip Glenister as Lord Jon “Griff” Connington
    Theo James as Prince Quentyn Martell
    Freddie Stroma as Prince Aegon “Young Griff” Targaryen
    David Morrissey as Haldon Halfmaester
    Mark Sheppard as Ser Rolly Duckfield
    Neil Jackson as Ser Gerris Drinkwater
    John DeSantis as Ser Archibald “Big Man” Yronwood
    Giancarlo Giannini as the Kindly Man
    Bahar Soomekh as Lady Taena Meriwether
    Kiruna Stamell as Penny
    Eamonn Walker as Tycho Nestoris
    Adewale Akkinuoye-Agbage as Moqorro
    Roger Ashton-Griffiths as “Homeless” Harry Strickland

  • YvyB,

    I also googled him, still looks too skinny imo. I really hope they don’t take the Renly road with him.

  • I personally think that Mads Mikkelsen would be a phenomenal Victarion Greyjoy …

    Vince Regan for Jon Connington as well…

  • Josh Parker,

    Wow, that is a list!

    I like a number of those, I’m unfamiliar with a number of those actors, and I think half of those roles will not be cast. XD

    Time to research those actors now….

  • darquemode:
    Josh Parker,

    Wow, that is a list!

    I like a number of those, I’m unfamiliar with a number of those actors, and I think half of those roles will not be cast. XD

    Time to research those actors now….

    Just did! Some good ones there !

  • Dan,

    With Mikkelsen committed to the lead role in “Hannibal”, I think we can forget him appearing on GOT. Not necessarily because the series will be renewed (no way of knowing right now) but it confirms my suspicion that he wouldn’t do a TV series unless he’s the lead role.

  • Dan,

    I love Mads, but he’s way to small to be Victorian, he could play the crap out of Euron though. Hands up if you can’t wait for the new Hannibal tv series starring MAds as dr Lector.

  • TheAmir: Really? Prove it.I wasn’t even talking about the Westeros forums, though, as I understand it, the vocal majority there hates Daario too. I was talking about book review sites and literary forums other than Westeros. Hate to break it to you kid, but he’s not a popular character.

    Ah… not a tone tone to put forth the point you’re making, every verb you toss is pushing
    you 8 steps backward. I agree with the quotes Ours is the Fury posted simply because
    they are from the author and there’s no need to paraphrase or lie. I’m not aware of
    GRRM praising that artist but if he did so be it. Like you ,as a reader I have an issue
    with Daario in ASOIAF since the moment we were introduced to him. Aside from
    being a douchebag in part, he has strong traits that are admirable which GRRM
    wrote of honestly I thought he would have bolted before the the end of ADWD
    but he remained loyal.
    Like most of GRRM characters Daario exhibits the typical
    balance of flawed personality and unarguable bravery for what he believes in. So yes
    many here would love to despise him but we can’t really.And yes yes, Danerys
    may have made a mistake in letting him seduce her but she’s flawed too
    . I
    hope Skrein can pull off the role he’s given. Grey worm is a work in progress with GoT
    he may be presented slightly different in the role we read. I don’t mind his physique
    as some have dismissed here.

  • Cary:
    I’m not up on the latest in ASOIAF fan sites or literary review sites, but I find it hard to believe that Daario is that much of an unpopular character, considering I find myself liking him in the series, despite his failures with Dany.

    Neither am I but he’s got issues that made him so. I wouldn’t want my daughter
    ( if I had one ) to marry captain Jack Sparrow if he were the sexist man on the ship.

  • WildSeed,

    When he called Ours “kid” I was like oh man this is not good! Winter pretty much said what I was thinking though.

  • Ours is the Fury:
    Obsidian,

    I wondered if they might transfer that connection to Grey Worm, as well. It makes sense to have her brother be someone we know.

    That would state some continuity there, good point guys :D This season is chock
    full of high expectations and angst . Almost as unnerving as reading page to page.

  • Aegon the Conqueror,

    Ha!
    I think we just have completely different images of the Unsullied. I pictured them as very average looking, not big whatsoever. In shape yes, but not overly big, overly-muscled or ripped at all. Especially a number of Dany’s new Unsullied that just got their spiked helmets. I would think a number of them would be youthful still.

    I agree about Mads Mikkelsen as Euron! He is my second fav for the role (even if it unlikely he will be cast). His look and personality on screen seem perfect for the role.

    For Victarion I like his brother Lars Mikkelsen more honestly. He has that angular look I associate with Victarion and he is over 6′-3″ tall, although he is not hugely powerful either. I don’t think that is too much of an issue seeing as Victarian should be in his full plate armor the majority of the time we see him.

  • YvyB:
    Aegon the Conqueror,

    Ha haok , I’ll email him now .. ;p

    Did you ever see that old Mel Brooks film called ” Men in Tights “? Cary Elwes was
    in it and the late Gregory Hines. Anyway the eunuchs were of varying sizes but
    there were a lot of men with ” bird legs” and it was a laugh riot especially because
    the leads were not buff in any way just clever. None of the men liked being in green
    tights though. These were clearly Not the warriors from the “Rome” series or ” 300″.

  • Carne:
    darquemode,

    I e-mailed the agent of Arben Bajraktaraj. Couldn’t wait :P

    Oddly enough, his Wikipedia article had been deleted two years ago! I recreated it, based on a machine translation of his German Wikipedia page. But I need interviews! Something to base information on!

  • Cary:
    Don,

    Wow, sorry to step on your privilege. I’m not angry, but I guess I hit a nerve with you. You went from zero to hyperbole in 10 seconds.

    My thought exactly.

  • WildSeed,

    Oh yes I loved that movie! But simply because it was so far fetched and ridiculous. The bridge fight scene between Robin and Little John is hilarious!

  • Don: And explain to me this much! If he is handsome, “pale” and has crazy hair? How is he not White? Since when are they revising the different shades of WHITE? Pale is White… LOL

    I refer you to review ” the Institute of Human Origins” site of which I am a former
    member. After the review please refrain from using such language which betrays
    your knowledge of lack thereof. We are not at war here, only a friendly exchange
    of ideas and friendly debate. Debate usually requires respect and courtesy.

  • darquemode,

    Don’t mind the age at all, just saw Jacob Anderson is two months older than I am.
    Just don’t want an army of Lommy Greenhands, didn’t say I wanted an army of Hounds either.

  • Not read all the comments so no idea if this has been said but I’m guessing Grey Worm in the show is going to be Missandei’s brother.

    It’s something I thought they might do as her having a brother (though not two as in the book) who was an Unsullied was in her character description.

    I’m also guessing he’s going to take on aspects of the Strong Belwas role as well.

  • Josh Parker,

    Holy crap dude that list is both amazing and terrifying.
    Amazingly well thought out, and terrifying for the HBO budget department and those poor poor non book readers who will be going .
    WHO THE HELL IS THAT??? Every two seconds.

  • Leave it to the ASoI&F fan-base to turn good news into a racial/whatever else debate (and I use that word loosely). I know that most people tend to think they know what’s best for the show, but I’m more than willing to let D&D, Nina, Cogman, etc. to their business of making an amazing show.

    That said, all of this casting news has been great. They’ve collected an incredibly strong group of actors that I’m familiar with, and several that I’m not familiar with at all. I’d go on about how enthusiastic I’m feeling about all of this news, but I wouldn’t want to interrupt the already established dour mood.

  • Richard Lewis as the Nottingham is the best!

    WildSeed: Did you ever see that old Mel Brooks film called ” Men in Tights “? Cary Elwes was
    in it and the late Gregory Hines. Anyway the eunuchs were of varying sizes but
    there were a lot of men with ” bird legs” and it was a laugh riot especially because
    the leads were not buff in any way just clever. None of the men liked being in green
    tights though. These were clearly Not the warriors from the “Rome” series or ” 300″.

  • Ours is the Fury: Respectfully, it’s not the same thing. Television is very white, and Game of Thrones has very few good roles for people of color, surprising given it has a huge cast. White people are not marginalized. Other people have said it far more eloquently than I have. Maybe I’ll go dig up a blog or something about it.

    Agree in total. I’m sure there’s much written on the subject although the movie and
    television industries apply their own protocols often reversing any logic or practicality.
    There were many years of Elizabeth Taylors and Charleston Hestons before there
    was some progress. Thank goodness there are no more Jimmy Cagneys depicting
    men of the Mediterranean or Egyptian Africa. That said I was hoping for Naveen
    Andrews as Daario, but Skrein does have a smirk and look of confidence about him.
    He doesn’t need make up just a healthy tan from being in Slaver’s Bay.

  • darquemode:
    Josh Parker,

    Wow, that is a list!

    I like a number of those, I’m unfamiliar with a number of those actors, and I think half of those roles will not be cast. XD

    Time to research those actors now….

    I’m right behind you :D

  • Aegon the Conqueror:
    WildSeed,

    Oh yes I loved that movie! But simply because it was so far fetched and ridiculous. The bridge fight scene between Robin and Little John is hilarious!

    :D LOL LOL! I think it”s become a cult favorite.

  • J Murr:
    WildSeed,

    LOL worst casting i’ve ever seen with Daario. C’mon..

    I wanted Naveen Andrews for Daario and Alexander Siddigg for Oberyn but NO,
    Ms Gold has not heard my plea :D

  • Rygar,

    OMG, forgot ! How did I diss Richard Lewis like that, he always makes for a craven
    king too ! Oh we have so many ideas here, why aren’t we heard ! Horton heard a Who
    you know !

  • Ed Skrein looks exactly like a really skeazy guy I know that hits on all women in proximity, regardless of relationship status, in a very cocksure and creepy manner, CONSTANTLY.

    In other words, He’s perfect for Daario. I’m already creeped out.

  • darquemode:
    Aegon the Conqueror,

    I think in a fantasy world we need to take the author’s own description as law in that world. GRRM has stated the Unsullied were not overly muscled, large or fat.If I recall it was because of their constant training that they remained smaller in fact. At least when compared to eunuch household guards that bloat up due to inactivity and having only one vice left to them – eating.

    I’m sure the Unsullied come in all shapes and sizes actually. I would think with thousands of Unsullied we will have taller and shorter Unsullied, thinner and fatter Unsullied etc. Different genetics should react to the Unsullied training regime in different ways I would imagine. Although I do not think any of them eat enough to be hugely muscled. Personally I never took Grey Worm as large at all. I always saw him in my mind as rather trim honestly. Maybe the random name influenced me inappropriately? XD

    Agree in total. For a laugh watch a clip of Mel Brooks ” Men in Tights” to view
    his rendition of Eunuchs .

  • You hit the nail right there. Who better to portray a “craven” ruler like Doran Martel than Richard Lewis?!
    Lol

    WildSeed:
    Rygar,

    OMG, forgot ! How did I diss Richard Lewis like that, he always makes for a craven
    king too ! Oh we have so many ideas here, why aren’t we heard ! Horton heard a Who
    you know !

  • There are still plenty of big spots left for sure. I didn’t go through all the posts but who is playing…..

    Ben Plumm and the second sons,
    Martells involved?

    Looking forward to all the wildling characters on their way with the King beyond the wall Mance Rayder, that we’ve come to love/hate

    And whatever happened to Meera or Meena and her brother from Graywater Watch in the north, lol can’t remember but they played a huge role with Bran.

    I love this series but the battle at the Blackwater left me a little wanting… no chain, no nose gone etc etc but the wildfire was amazing!! Can’t wait for Season 3!!!!! Two seasons a year would be awesome!!!

    Looking forward to the next book, any idea when that’s happening?

  • Man, forget about the race stuff here. If you want an actual debate, see Cloud Atlas re: yellowface and powdering Halle Berry to make her look whiter.

    I didn’t like Daario, but looking back, I actually don’t think it was him so much as all of Dany’s very strange storyline in ADWD. I wasn’t a huge fan — no offense to anyone who was — so I think it leaked over into everything that involved her, good or bad.

    I’ll have to reread when (if?) the series is done to really justify an actual opinion about him.

  • Luana: Uh, no. Daario is the exact opposite of The Situation. He’s more like James Bond: a ruthless, faithless killer who is so ridiculously charismatic and sexy that you can’t help but want a piece of it, even though you know damn well it’s a bad idea, and that it might even get you killed.That’s Daario in a nutshell.

    Uh no. ROFL Daario is just a skeevy man slut. Most people seem to agree on that. He’s far, far from James Bond.

  • I see him as a “Jack the lad” type and I think the chap up there ^ will be perfect. For what it’s worth I liked Daario… and I wanted Dany to go there. There I’ve said it!

  • Luana: Uh, no. Daario is the exact opposite of The Situation. He’s more like James Bond: a ruthless, faithless killer who is so ridiculously charismatic and sexy that you can’t help but want a piece of it, even though you know damn well it’s a bad idea, and that it might even get you killed.That’s Daario in a nutshell.

    No, he’s not James Bond-y. (Movie) Bond would never dress garishly or have naked woman daggers that he’d rub suggestively. Yes, he loved them and left them and he was confident and direct, but he was never one to be a peacock; Daario is.

    Bond doesn’t try to be that alluring; Daario does. I’ve always got the impression than an older and more experience woman would view Daario as utterly ridiculous; it’s only through Dany’s eyes that his extreme cockiness comes across as purely confidence.

  • Cary,

    Well, he turned down a role because it involved him being in a foreign locale and away from his family for too long. So…I’m not holding my breath that he’ll be cast on this show.

  • Alan: No, he’s not James Bond-y.(Movie)

    I’ve always got the impression than an older and more experience woman would view Daario as utterly ridiculous; it’s only through Dany’s eyes that his extreme cockiness comes across as purely confidence.

    Whoops! Guess not! :)

  • Sijjvra: Uh no. ROFL Daario is just a skeevy man slut. Most people seem to agree on that. He’s far, far from James Bond.

    Your first and last statement do not compute. James Bond is the biggest Manwhore of them all (and I say it lovingly)!

    I’d say Luana has a point. Daario does like to be more physically flamboyant than Bond, but Bond definitely has a thing for the theatrical, too. And both are SO cocky… It’s a decent comparison.

  • YvyB: Whoops! Guess not! :)

    Well, reasonable minds can differ. :)

    But I would reiterate that we are seeing Daario through Dany’s POV. If it were written from say, Cersei’s, or Melisandre’s, he might read completely differently.

  • Still waiting for Strong Belwas, Lem Lemoncloak, interested in how exactly coldhands will be done.
    Purefoy as Euron ‘Crow’s eye’ Greyjoy

  • Nice! I honestly could never picture Daario—he was too cartoonish in his description and didn’t come across as sexy at all. This actor, however, looks good and will likely do a great job.

  • Alan,

    Just thought it was funny because I’d just said two posts up that I liked him…. and being an older woman … :)

  • Brightroar,

    Very intrested to see Coldhans as well, especially as this will shed some light on who exactly he is. Still thinking BEnjen Stark.

  • Brightroar:
    interested in how exactly coldhands will be done.

    I too have had these thoughts… also our our old friend with a long white beard! won’t we realise staight away?

  • I have no problem with Grey Worm being young, but it’s just that he looks.. very unthreatning. I imagined Grey Worm as someone who by only looks can get you to respect him, as he is a freaking officer of the best army of the world.. you dont need to be old or bulked up to make awe.

    Acctualy Ed Skrenis could fit into my grey worm depiction instead of Daario.

  • Cary:
    Josh Parker,

    Yes, but didn’t his kid say, “OMG WTF Dad? It’s HUGE!”

    I don’t want to bring the tone down to a Carry on film but I had to link back to see what you ment there!!

  • queenofthorns: Your first and last statement do not compute.James Bond is the biggest Manwhore of them all (and I say it lovingly)!

    I’d say Luana has a point.Daario does like to be more physically flamboyant than Bond, but Bond definitely has a thing for the theatrical, too.And both are SO cocky…It’s a decent comparison.

    James Bond has a fricken -brain-. Daario has…boob shaped swords? Yeah ok. Bond a manwhore, sure, but he’s got a hell of a lot more class than Daario. If he’s so loveable, WHY do so many people hate him, exactly?

    Can’t answer that, I bet, because you’d have to admit it’s because he’s an -idiot-.

  • Alan: No, he’s not James Bond-y.(Movie) Bond would never dress garishly or have naked woman daggers that he’d rub suggestively.Yes, he loved them and left them and he was confident and direct, but he was never one to be a peacock; Daario is.

    Bond doesn’t try to be that alluring; Daario does.I’ve always got the impression than an older and more experience woman would view Daario as utterly ridiculous; it’s only through Dany’s eyes that his extreme cockiness comes across as purely confidence.

    Thank you. That’s exactly why he irritates so many people, I think. If he had some class or some sort of allure past a juvenile fascination with his boob-swords, I’m sure he’d have a fan base as big as Jaqen H’ghar does, or Sandor or Bronn or any of the “bad ass” male characters of the series.

    Any woman past the age of 20 would know Daario is low class skank. He’s exactly that guy…you know, the 30 year old guy that hangs out with high school girls to hit on them and show off his cool car because that’s all he’s got? Yeah. That’s Daario.

  • paylor:
    Don,

    Spoken like a person who has absolutely never had to deal with the effects of racism.

    Oh yes. You know me so well… Racism is alive and well in every corner of this globe. It’s become a racket nowadays that enables people to get things that they wouldn’t be able to in other circumstances.

    Look up the Duke Lacrosse scandal and tell me racism doesn’t exist against White people? lol

  • WildSeed: I refer you to review ” the Institute of Human Origins” site of which I am a former
    member. After the review please refrain from using such language which betrays
    your knowledge of lack thereof. We are not at war here, only a friendly exchange
    of ideas and friendly debate. Debate usually requires respect and courtesy.

    Oh I agree. Perhaps some of you folks should also practice what you preach? I never targeted anyone and said anything about privilege aka “White Privilege” like was hurled at me after all at this rather friendly forum.

    I am sorry that I can talk and have guts…

  • If there is one character who I absolutely could not care less what he looked like it is Grey Worm. I don’t even remember GRRM going into much detail to describe him. I’m sure this guy will do fine. I’ve seen pictures of him without the facial hair and without him smiling that look much better than the one posted above.

  • Don: Oh I agree. Perhaps some of you folks should also practice what you preach? I never targeted anyone and said anything about privilege aka “White Privilege” like was hurled at me after all at this rather friendly forum.

    I am sorry that I can talk and have guts…

    Guts aside, are you directing your ….anger at me ? And if so why ?

  • Sijjvra:
    …Any woman past the age of 20 would know Daario is low class skank.He’s exactly that guy…you know, the 30 year old guy that hangs out with high school girls to hit on them and show off his cool car because that’s all he’s got? Yeah. That’s Daario.

    A woman is reminded of days gone by before marrying Jaqen when there was a particular “Daario -ish” guy in the neighborhood who had that type of appeal, hot car, pretty eyes, cute smile (recalling he may have had a gold tooth, made me curious)…we had dinner together one evening, and in a city full of excellent restaurants he took me to a Sizzler’s. It was the first and last time I went to a Sizzler’s, the evening ended quite early as we had nothing in common to speak of and parted ways soon after coffee despite the curiosity on both our parts, the chemistry was not compelling. Thank heaven Jaqen came along soon after, saving this woman from more awkward first dates. A woman would just shake her head as the “hot car” drove by in the neighborhood from time to time after that, thinking “Mr. Sizzler’s.” This Daario above looks like a Sizzler’s type of guy. No offense intended to Sizzler’s fans. But c’mon. Really?

  • Just managed to read all the comments for this post…

    … this place is still friendlier than westeros.

  • ANiceChianti:
    Just managed to read all the comments for this post…

    … this place is still friendlier than westeros.

    A woman agrees with you, we will never all agree on every single thing, but we can keep it civil and friendly here.

  • Alan: did not take a freaking vote of the Storm Crows and remove a tyrannical dictator through revolution. He’s a murderer. Now, there are plenty of those we cheer — including Arya, who does it for apparently nothing except training — and even more who do it for money in some way. But Daario’s motivation was not some democratic good-hearted motivation.

    Murder is rampant in this story… and , if you don’t mind, I’d prefer not to have my meaning twisted. Who mentioned a vote ?It’s silly to assume that if 500 men disapproved of the actions of one man , they couldn’t remove him or refuse to follow him . That’s an entirely different thing. If you have to overstate or mis-state what someone else has said to try to make your point , it doesn’t help you to convince anyone.

  • WildSeed,

    He said “white privilege”, which is something I honestly said in reference to his post about how unfair this forum is to white actors. I neither “hurled” it nor even used it bestride any particular insult. I’m not even certain how one can “hurl” the term, seeing as it’s neither pejorative nor condescending, but a burden that those who of us who are privileged with it have to bear.

    I think the anger is directed at a random sampling of us, with me in particular; although I have never once been uncivil or called anyone names–but apparently it’s a very sensitive subject with him. One can only speculate as to why.

  • Cary,

    I know and read your post earlier ,no worries . I’ve been told that the fortified Dornish
    Red is murderous for some to drink. I always dilute mine or refrain if I’m discussing
    issues that matter.

  • Mrs. H’ghar: A woman is reminded of days gone by before marrying Jaqen when there was a particular “Daario -ish” guy in the neighborhood who had that type of appeal, hot car, pretty eyes, cute smile (recalling he may have had a gold tooth, made me curious)…we had dinner together one evening, and in a city full of excellent restaurants he took me to a Sizzler’s. It was the first and last time I went to a Sizzler’s, the evening ended quite early as we had nothing in common to speak of and parted ways soon after coffee despite the curiosity on both our parts, the chemistry was not compelling. Thank heaven Jaqen came along soon after, saving this woman from more awkward first dates. A woman would just shake her head as the “hot car” drove by in the neighborhood from time to time after that, thinking “Mr. Sizzler’s.” This Daario above looks like a Sizzler’s type of guy. No offense intended to Sizzler’s fans. But c’mon. Really?

    I have a deep and abiding hatrid of chain restaurants and and ever growing appreciation of your posts.

  • Cary: I predict at this rate we’ll see him by Saturday.Just a guess mind you.

    Aegon the Conqueror and several others mentioned earlier that we were famished for meaty casting news and now we’re feeling stuffed. There is much to digest as we sort
    through our expectations and accept the game plan. There are over 200 days until
    airing season 3 and we need to chew and swallow. Just think, after a while we may
    get to see sample episode scripts. I feel like Tyrion supping with Illyrio

  • WildSeed: Aegon the Conqueror and several others mentioned earlier that we were famished for meaty casting news and now we’re feeling stuffed. There is much to digest as we sort
    through our expectations and accept the game plan. There are over 200 days until
    airing season 3 and we need to chew and swallow. Just think, after a while we may
    get to see sample episode scripts. I feel like Tyrion supping with Illyrio

    I can think of no better way to pass the 222 days until the premier than speculating to death about what it’s going to look like. And maybe another sample chapter from TWoW

  • 370 comments – nice. – HBO hooking you up for your good work by linking from facebook. good stuff

  • Sijjvra:

    Any woman past the age of 20 would know Daario is low class skank.He’s exactly that guy…you know, the 30 year old guy that hangs out with high school girls to hit on them and show off his cool car because that’s all he’s got? Yeah. That’s Daario.

    See the difference between your example and Daario is that he can actually back it up. He’s definitely “trashier” than your average GoT character but that’s because he’s had yet to meet someone to put him in his place. You don’t go around talking so much smack in Westeros and still be alive without skill. I’m not trying to glorify his character but he is what he is a sellsword just like Bronn. So yeah hate him for his morals or his sleaziness but don’t call him a loser. He’s a self made man and will gank anyone standing in his way. Besides, the star of the show won’t be Daario but the pair of ladies he brings out for Dany~

  • Don: And explain to me this much! If he is handsome, “pale” and has crazy hair? How is he not White? Since when are they revising the different shades of WHITE? Pale is White… LOL

    Ah, but most Syrians and Lebanese are pale Middle Easterners…but more ethnic/exotic looking than European Whites. (BTW, wanna get technical? Depending on the area of the Middle East, many Jews and “Arabs” are considered white…just like Indians are considered Asian.)

  • Lex:
    Oh… looks like it’s one of THOSE threads…
    (backs away slowly)

    Rather a loose and unwinding thread, one might say.

  • Sijjvra: James Bond has a fricken -brain-. Daario has…boob shaped swords? Yeah ok.Bond a manwhore, sure, but he’s got a hell of a lot more class than Daario. If he’s so loveable, WHY do so many people hate him, exactly?

    Can’t answer that, I bet, because you’d have to admit it’s because he’s an -idiot-.

    This is funny, because I had no idea that some people hated Daario until I ventured into this forum. Sort of like how I had no idea that some people hated Sansa until I accidentally read a thread over at Westeros one day. At any rate, a few vocal posters on the Interwebz do not statistics make. I still have no idea why anyone would be moved to hate entertainingly sleazy man-whore Daario, any more than they’d hate entertainingly sleazy man-whore James Bond. Both characters might induce some eye-rolling and guffaws, but really? Hate?

    Daario is definitely not an idiot. He obviously has a rather good brain. He has risen to the command one of the largest companies of sellswords in the world through his cunning and military acumen. He’s a braggart, yah, but he’s clearly got the goods to back it up.

    And I still say that James Bond, particularly as portrayed in all his cheesy and cartoonish glory by Roger Moore back in the day, reminds me a lot of Daario.

  • Is it okay that I dont hate Daario?
    I mean I dont think he is good for
    Dany, even dangerous, just like if my lil sister gets a boyfriend i know is trouble, but that is it. hate is too strong for a person like Daario.

  • YvyB: I too have had these thoughts… also our our old friend with a long white beard! won’t we realise staight away?

    I am pretty sure they won’t try to hide him from the audience. Dany won’t know but we will.

  • Sijjvra:

    Any woman past the age of 20 would know Daario is low class skank.

    So is it okay if a guy is a high-class skank? Like Tyrion? Just checking. :-)

    By the way, I am a woman well past (well, well past) the age of 20, and I like Daario. He gives Dany exactly what she needs in her life at the time – great sex – and I for one was happy to see her getting some. Sexual chemistry is not something you can control; it is not based on anything rational, and that’s the life lesson Dany learns with Daario.

  • One attributes part of the hostility to Daario to an underlying concern that he represents an impediment to an eventual Jon Snow/Dany “happy ending.” Even infatuated Danny realizes Daario is not consort material and marries elsewhere. Ruthless, bad, and dangerous to know, Daario is a guilty pleasure, perfect material for a summer vacation fling: exciting but ephemeral. One cannot begrudge Danny a taste of fun and frolic, for as we all know, winter is coming.

  • One attributes part of the hostility to Daario to an underlying concern that he represents an impediment to an eventual Jon Snow/Dany “happy ending.” Even infatuated Danny realizes Daario is not consort material and marries elsewhere. Ruthless, bad, and dangerous to know, Daario is a guilty pleasure, perfect material for a summer vacation fling: exciting but ephemeral. One cannot begrudge Danny a taste of fun and frolic, for as we all know, winter is coming.

    Sorry about missing the second spoiler alert if original posting got through. One tried to correct the mistake quickly.

  • Let me ad that Ed Skrein has a dangerously silky voice and he does the jaw thing.
    As a teenager I would have thrown myself down on the street in front of him, nowadays I would just imagine doing it.
    He’s just perfect to get Dany all gushing.

  • queenofthorns:
    Don,
    Also Daario is not neccesarily “white” in the books, anyway.He’s from Essos, which is not Europe.All we know is that he’s handsome, “pale” and he has crazy hair and clothes.

    Most people we have come across in Essos are white. Valyrians were from Essos and their offspring founded most of the Free cities. Qarthians are so white that they are called “Milk Men”. Essos is not Europe, but it sure isn’t Asia either.

  • Cary:
    Don, no such thing as “reverse racism”; or “reverse” whitewashing. One “race” of people historically and overwhelmingly gets all the best roles in English-language films. When someone of another color gets a role whose character is white, it’s called “progress.”

    You’re a racist, all right.

  • Interesting thread. I don’t personally care what color the actors are nor if they fit the build of the character that closely. I only care if they can bring the characters to life on screen. I hope the show runners don’t worry about the show having more non-white actors and just focus on getting the best actors.

  • Virtus,

    The guy’s not racist – he has a point. What’s the difference between a white guy getting a role that is supposed to be black, to a black guy getting a role that is supposed to be white? It’s the same!
    That said, I actually disagree with him in this particular instance, as I’m rather disappointed with Ed Skrein’s appointment in the role, particularly given that other white actors were apparently waved away from the casting opportunity for being white.

  • […] It seems the cast of characters on HBO’s Game of Thrones is always expanding and now there are two more recruits. Ed Skrein will play Daario Naharis, the captain of the mercenary soldiers called the Stomcrows. He will meet with Daenerys Targayen (Emilia Clarke) in the upcoming third season. British actor Jacob Anderson will play the leader of the Unsullier, a group of eunuch slave soldiers.[winteriscoming.net] […]

  • Chuck:
    Virtus,

    The guy’s not racist – he has a point. What’s the difference between a white guy getting a role that is supposed to be black, to a black guy getting a role that is supposed to be white? It’s the same!
    That said, I actually disagree with him in this particular instance, as I’m rather disappointed with Ed Skrein’s appointment in the role, particularly given that other white actors were apparently waved away from the casting opportunity for being white.

    Actually i don’t think we should believe casting is a democratic process where they call for one thing and then won’t look at the other.
    All those Agents know the Casting people and they ring one another up “Look here Nina I’ve got this guy who…” maybe the actors who showed up just did not do it for The producers or someone simply spontaneously thought “Bam that’s our Daario’

  • darquemode:
    Aegon the Conqueror,

    I agree about Mads Mikkelsen as Euron! He is my second fav for the role (even if it unlikely he will be cast).His look and personality on screen seem perfect for the role.

    For Victarion I like his brother Lars Mikkelsen more honestly. He has that angular look I associate with Victarion and he is over 6′-3″ tall, although he is not hugely powerful either. I don’t think that is too much of an issue seeing as Victarian should be in his full plate armor the majority of the time we see him.

    The Mikkelsen brothers for the Greyjoy brothers ?

    Where do I sign ?

  • Why don’t you all just let them get on with the casting, they have done a great job so far. I remember people moaning about Stephen Dillain being stannis cos he 55+?
    Can’t believe this has 420 comments on characters that are not exactly POV or as popular as other characters. Let them get on with casting

  • Memo to HBO, Nina Gold etc: from this day until our last day every casting announcement must be accompanied by either a picture of the actor in complete costume and makeup. The fact that they are actors makes no difference, costumes, makeup and the complete fulfilment of a mind’s eye visualization or GTFO. There are lives and cyber egos at stake here!

  • Chuck,

    I think you misunderstood Virtus’s post. He seem’s to be in agreement with me and going against Cary’s stance. It just seem’s that if you’re a modern day White man you have no right to express your opinion or Heaven forbid outrage without being called every dirty name in the book or reminded about ancient history that you yourself had no role in.

    But regardless of even that I was most sickened by Cary’s apparent ethno masochism (since it appeared that he admitted to being White) by claiming that it is “progress” if and when a White role goes to a person of color that it’s “progress”! lol

    And the sheer and utter irony is that I was getting annoyed at all the anti White sentiments popping up across this board of late whenever it came to a White person getting a role.

    Why should skin color matter?

  • Joshua Taylor:
    Memo to HBO, Nina Gold etc: from this day until our last day every casting announcement must be accompanied by either a picture of the actor in complete costume and makeup. The fact that they are actors makes no difference, costumes, makeup and the complete fulfilment of a mind’s eye visualization or GTFO. There are lives and cyber egos at stake here!

    Ha!

  • Luana: So is it okay if a guy is a high-class skank? Like Tyrion? Just checking. :-)

    By the way, I am a woman well past (well, well past) the age of 20, and I like Daario. He gives Dany exactly what she needs in her life at the time – great sex – and I for one was happy to see her getting some.Sexual chemistry is not something you can control; it is not based on anything rational, and that’s the life lesson Dany learns with Daario.

    I actually cannot stand Tyrion – so try again.

  • Luana: This is funny, because I had no idea that some people hated Daario until I ventured into this forum. Sort of like how I had no idea that some people hated Sansa until I accidentally read a thread over at Westeros one day. At any rate, a few vocal posters on the Interwebz do not statistics make.I still have no idea why anyone would be moved to hate entertainingly sleazy man-whore Daario, any more than they’d hate entertainingly sleazy man-whore James Bond. Both characters might induce some eye-rolling and guffaws, but really? Hate?

    Daario is definitely not an idiot. He obviously has a rather good brain. He has risen to the command one of the largest companies of sellswords in the world through his cunning and military acumen. He’s a braggart, yah, but he’s clearly got the goods to back it up.

    And I still say that James Bond, particularly as portrayed in all his cheesy and cartoonish glory by Roger Moore back in the day,reminds me a lot of Daario.

    Try some other literary forums and tumblr kiddo. Daario is NOT well liked in general.

  • Aegon the Conqueror: I think the only time someone has a reason to complain is when a white guy is cast to play a black character and does so with the help of make up. Think back to Ben Kingsley playing Ghandi.

    Ben Kinglsely birth name is Krishna Pandit Bhanji…

  • Don: It just seem’s that if you’re a modern day White man you have no right to express your opinion or Heaven forbid outrage without being called every dirty name in the book or reminded about ancient history that you yourself had no role in.

    You realize, of course, that you’ve been freely expressing this on the internet, and that nobody checked your skin color or gender before you did so? And that after expressing yourself, nobody called you any dirty name in any book? Meanwhile you were calling people insensitive racists and ethno-masochists.

    These terms, in addition to being totally out of place in a friendly fan forum, seem like quite a leap from remarks that were merely expressing disappointment with the casting of a white person in a role which had previously been described as a person of color. It is easy to conceive of motivations for such grievances that are rather reasonable, so I’m not sure why you assumed they carried the most extreme possible intentions.

    Also, I’m not clear on your broader claim as it seems every time I turn on the television I see white men freestyle windbagging all sorts of outrage, often about race. As a white man, I’ve never felt that people were predisposed to be hostile to my opinions or that any specific measures were being taken to prevent me from expressing myself.

    If you could give us a specific rundown of the things you would like to be saying, who is preventing you from saying them and by what means, that would be helpful.

  • I guess because I have pasty-white skin, Targaryen-blonde hair (enhanced by L’Oreal Touch-On Highlights #H90) and green eyes, and, at least for me, opposites always seem to attract, I was really hoping Daario would be played by an actor from the Middle East, Africa, or Asia. Also, a Middle Eastern accent is like “icing on the cake” for me.

    That being said, this rapper/actor is a great looking guy with the best cheekbones since Cersei Lannister. His bio says he swam the English Channel in 2010 and cycled from Land’s End to John o’Groats in 2011. I didn’t know where those places were, so had to look them up. Land’s End is in extreme southwest England (Cornwall), and John o’Groats is in extreme northeast Scotland. The distance between the two points is 874 miles (1,407 km). That is like cycling from Key West, FL to Atlanta, GA , and that is just a really, really long bike ride. So, it sounds like this actor is in great shape and no doubt has a great body. He also looks pretty tough in his rapper videos – and I’m thinking maybe L’Oreal “Quick Blue” Hair Color for his hair, although Splat’s “Blue Envy” is a lot less expensive. Can’t wait to see him as Daario!

  • I’ve been called several names by Don. now; while I’ve not called him one single name. I’m not sure who is oppressing him, or where, but he’s taking that anger out here.

  • Could some moderator please stop this racism discussion, It’s totales unproductive and nothing but stupid cyber powerplay.
    Daario is not one of those characters represented as (how to pur this right) non-causcasian…?
    Especially considering the geography of Tyrosh.
    I think Strong Belwas would need to be non-white for example and the entite population of slavers bay.

  • I find it utterly ridiculous that people are labeling some casting choices as “racism”. It looks to me that people who are more self conscious about their skin tone are the ones who get offended easily for things as trivial as these. Let’s not forget what this forum is about and that we all have opinions and ideas that might or might not appeal to the rest of the participants. Just don’t overreact or attack one another since there’s no need for that. For once I would have like to have an actor with darker skin (and sexier) to play Daario, but I can’t call it racism just because of that. I just hope that he’ll make due and try to focus in his positive attributes, like that rouge look he has. All in all, the cast has been great so far. Why should it be different now?

  • Josla,

    It wasn’t the casting choices that were being called racism, it was the disappointment, like yours, that some people expressed about Daario being cast as white, that was called “racism”, or more specifically, “reverse racism”. Racism was never brought up before that point.

    That said, I’d be happy to drop the discussion, but Don keeps fueling it.

  • Jacob Anderson is very different indeed to the Greyworm I had in my head, but I can imagine this actor inspiring a lot of sympathy in the character.

    And that would be a good move I think – the Unsullied are very tragic indeed really, and I expect we will feel Dany’s sadness and affinity for them through Greyworm. I think the decription of their training is the thing that scarred me most out of anything in the books so far

  • Arkash,

    Oh yes, ugh. The brutality to children in this series can make for seriously tough reading (even more so I find now I’m a parent) – but I have to say – kudos to GRRM for not flinching from it. It is realistic that children would be vulnerable (and abused) in the world he has created. Still though, I do hope that particular element of the Unsullied storyline isn’t shown on screen.

  • Chuck: The guy’s not racist – he has a point. What’s the difference between a white guy getting a role that is supposed to be black, to a black guy getting a role that is supposed to be white? It’s the same!

    Only the Summer Islanders are black skin and I don’t understand why anyone would suggest Daario should be a black guy. But they could have gone latin, middle eastern, someone from Bollywood or Polynesia. As Ours is the Fury already said, from the earlier reports they were looking for a non-caucasian. Obviously they didn’t find what they were looking for in the initial search and had to widen the parameters for the next search.

    I find it interesting that Daario was one of the first we heard about casting and one of the final characters casted. I think there is more to Daario than just Dany’s boy toy.

  • Ross,

    Not shown on screen, but it definetly requires exposition! It would be easy, one of the Slavers explains the training process in detail to dany while the camera zooms in on the faces and the eyes of the Unsullied.

  • I’ve been watching a few of Skrein’s scenes from ‘Piggy’ and while I can’t say I’ve been completely impressed with his chops, I think he could work. I think we can all agree that Jason Momoa was a fantasic Drogo, despite not being being Sir Lawrence Olivier . . . It’s all in how he was used and the physicality he brought to the role.

    Similarly, i think Skrein brings something, appearance-wise, to the character. Though (presumably) Anglo, there is something a bit exotic to him (it’s a pretty terrible song so feel free to listen with the sound off). I think it’s in the eyes.

    Either way, I feel that he will bring an air of menace and sex to him that is important for anyone portraying Daario.

    EDIT: there was supposed to be a link to this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kJjCKLC6yLU

  • Aegon the Conqueror,

    Totally agree it needs to be said and that sounds as good a way as any.

    It always struck me as a slightly preposterous not to mention uneconomical aspect of the training but… my god it’s evocative! GRRM sure knows how to stick something on your brain with superglue.

  • Aegon the Conqueror,

    Agreed, but how many really beefy actors are there who putting themselves our there. For these types of roles they would be better off looking in the UFC ring than indie drama shows. Tho Khal Drogo casting was perfect.

  • Jenny: Could some moderator please stop this racism discussion, It’s totales unproductive and nothing but stupid cyber powerplay.

    WiC has a very open commenting policy. As long as the discussion is civil, with no personal attacks or excessive vulgarity, people are free to share their feelings about a topic, and however they interpret it.

  • ANiceChianti:
    Hi.Looks like Darrio is still eliciting passion from people, either for or against. I don’t particularly trust him, for obvious reasons, and I wouldn’t be upset if he was one of the bodies being slung over the walls.Rakharo on the other hand… eh, that’s a moot point for the show, anyway.Now, while I find Daario, by definition, to be untrustworthy, and kinda sleazy, he doesn’t raise as many flags as someone like, say, Bloodraven.

    As far as the actors go, I’m sure they’ll do a great job.In general, I get more and more pleased with the acting on this show.I especially like Grey Worm’s casting.He looks similar to how I imagined him in my head, until I saw a few pieces of fan art where he was much larger and paler.I’m pleased to be able to re-adjust my mental picture of him.

    Oh, and I do wish some folks in this thread would be more careful with using spoiler tags on their comments, especially regarding Dany’s relationships with Darrio and/or Jorah.

    why does Bloodraven raise white flags? He was Lord commander of the Nights Watch and a targaryen loyalist.

  • I haven’t read every post on here so I don’t know if this has been touched on, but I fully expect Grey Worm to end up being the brother of Missandei, whereas in the books it was some random Unsullied that was her brother. Anyway, for Christ’s sake people, use your imagination some. You think this Anderson guy can’t bulk up some? And Skrein may be light skinned, but IMO he has exotic features. He’s not some whitebread lookin dude.

    Two final things, after looking at some pictures of Tom Brooke, I agree that he will be Vargo Hoat. As for Strong Belwas, there is only one man for the job: RIKISHI PHATU of WWE fame. He fits the description perfectly and the role does not require great acting skills. The only person better would have been Abdullah the Butcher, but that dude is old.

  • Butterbumps,

    Off topic, Are you the Butterbumps on Westeros? If so , I keep liking your replies because they are usually what I’m thinking… but you say it way better :)

  • Cary Storm:
    Josla,

    It wasn’t the casting choices that were being called racism, it was the disappointment, like yours, that some people expressed about Daario being cast as white, that was called “racism”, or more specifically, “reverse racism”. Racism was never brought up before that point.

    That said, I’d be happy to drop the discussion, but Don keeps fueling it.

    I love how you make it look like you want to move on but stick give me a little cheap shot in the process. lol No big deal… I said my piece and am moving on!

    PS- Good job to some of you braver souls for stepping up and backing me. It’s no small feat in this virulently anti White world we live in nowadays. Kudos…

  • queenofthorns,

    well his audition was pretty good I guess?

    Also yes I want into Danys pants I dont care that much about Daario, because having a lil sister I have seen THAT once or twice. We all know there will be a moment when she has to dump him until then let the girls have some fun.

  • Don: PS- Good job to some of you braver souls for stepping up and backing me. It’s no small feat in this virulently anti White world we live in nowadays. Kudos…

    Jeez man, as Tom Waits sang/growled, “Come down off the cross, we can use the wood.”

  • God I hope they don’t shoot anything in Iceland again in season 3.. It was so windy there all the scenes between Qhorin and Jon sucked bad esp that fight scene at the end.. I would much rather prefer they shoot the scenes at/beyond the Wall in the same area they shot the scenes at castle black in season 1.. I actually enjoyed the scenes at the Wall in season 1.. unlike season 2.. and I am sure many would agree that the acting [mormont, jon] was noticebly poorer in iceland in season 2 compared to wherever they shot castle black in season 1.. I guess the actual cold and strong winds can interfere with an actors ability to carry out their roles..

  • Ours is the Fury,

    Three cheers to that. I love a good debate. I think it is important to discuss differences of opinion without worrying about the thought police trying to steer the conversations away from what they find uncomfortable to talk about.

    That said, I think one of the harder things to do on the Internet is to be civil to people you disagree with. The way I try to keep myself in check is by not worrying about whether the person responding to me agrees with what I’m saying. I just try to make sure that interested bystanders are getting a good representation of my beliefs, and I’m not distracting from my point by coming off as a boorish person. If people you disagree with want to become ill-mannered then let them. It only hurts their position.

    Plus, on this site you guys seem to do a good job of handling people who go overboard.

  • Winturd,

    Aw, I disagree. I loved the Icelandic sightings, and thought Kit’s acting was way better in Season 2 than it was in Season 1, especially in his scenes with Rose Leslie, who was absolutely brilliant.

  • Dan:
    Ours is the Fury,

    Three cheers to that. I love a good debate. I think it is important to discuss differences of opinion without worrying about the thought police trying to steer the conversations away from what they find uncomfortable to talk about.

    That said, I think one of the harder things to do on the Internet is to be civil to people you disagree with. The way I try to keep myself in check is by not worrying about whether the person responding to me agrees with what I’m saying. I just try to make sure that interested bystanders are getting a good representation of my beliefs, and I’m not distracting from my point by coming off as a boorish person. If people you disagree with want to become ill-mannered then let them. It only hurts their position.

    Plus, on this site you guys seem to do a good job of handling people who go overboard.

    Actually I was talking about the unfriendliness that I wished moderated, not the topic.
    But this constant “You are racist” “No YOU are racist” “You are even racister than they are!” is quite a nuisance.
    It can all be discussed but not like that.

  • Just checked out a few more videos online with our new Daario, and a woman is thinking that this will work out OK. He looks great in blue, killer blue eyes, punk attitude, good cheekbones. This video shows a little Daario ‘rude, don’t think its been posted here yet:

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lg9mevzXVzg&feature=youtu.be

    Can’t wait to see the costume, and if there will be a wig and Tyroshi style beard or not. Yeah, this will work.

  • Winturd,

    I don’t understand why you wouldn’t want to see anymore those gorgeous landscapes Iceland can easily offer to the show. Seriously, it was amazingly beautiful. And why cold and winds wouldn’t help playing cold and windy scenes? Iceland is way better than green screens, no doubt.

  • While this could just be some guy making things up there is a poster on IMDB who suggests the Red Viper will be cast this Season.

    This guy thought his agent was putting him up for the part of The Prince of Dorne but it turns out it was another client that the Agent was putting up for the Red Viper while the Poster was being put up for a smaller younger part.

    Now like I say the guy could just be making it up but to be honest I’m thinking there might be something to it , certainly more than the guy who was claiming to be Thoros which was clearly BS from the start.

    http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0944947/board/nest/203495975

  • Hi-Fi,

    I doubt he is for real. You would think that they would want a fairly known actor to play Oberyn. I’m not sure they could accomplish that if they wanted to cast the role for only one episode this season.

  • YvyB,

    I know, but he said the Red Viper is a character they’re casting for this season, just wasn’t the one he was trying for. Could he be making this up? This is the first time I heard the Red Viper is being cast for Season 3.

    I hope it’s true, though!

  • Hi-Fi,

    WhElll Correct me if I’m wrong… which wedding does he come to ? Is it Joffrey’s? and is that were we first meet Taena of Myr ? because it is my belief she has been cast. Myrelle. Also we had the “up do” casting call

  • The posters name on that IMDB board is the name of a character in QT’s Dusk Till Dawn, the role was played by George Clooney; perhaps Mr. Playboy/Superstar Thespian’s agent is getting him an audition.
    Love to hear a talkack on this scenario, lol.

  • Sijjvra: Try some other literary forums and tumblr kiddo. Daario is NOT well liked in general.

    Try taking a statistics course, my poor, idealistic child, instead of wasting your time on tumblr.

    I’m still really curious as to why you hate Daario with such a passion, though. Care to enlighten me with an explanation?

  • YvyB,

    I sincerely hope the RV does not get cast yet, seeing as I hope the PW is in season 4 not season 3. And I really hope we get a biggish name for him.

  • Another Skrein interview where you see a bit more of his personality…

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9xusf69aOfo

    Interesting that the Red Viper is being mentioned, a woman thought they might use a distant extra in heavy armor to avoid hiring somebody for that until S4. This does imply that we will see the PW in S3 now, doesn’t it?

  • Luana,

    What’s with all the condescening talk? Calling a woman well past….20 kiddo is just disrespectful the arrogant ass!

  • Aegon the Conqueror:
    Luana,

    What’s with all the condescening talk? Calling a woman well past….20 kiddo is just disrespectful the arrogant ass!

    All kidding and condescension aside, I wish she’d tell me why she hates him so much instead of just repeating that everyone hates him.

  • If they do cast Oberyn this season, they’ll probably just have him arrive in KL to claim Dorne’s small council seat (thus meeting Tyrion).

    As an aside…I think Laura Brent would make a great Val.

  • Luana: All kidding and condescension aside, I wish she’d tell me why she hates him so much instead of just repeating that everyone hates him.

    He (I somehow think it’s a guy) has certainly not read the hundreds of happy facebook comments that accompanied the casting news. Seems most people love Daario.
    Some guys don’t like him, and they don’t get why the girls get all hot and bothered.

  • Jenny: He (I somehow think it’s a guy) has certainly not read the hundreds of happy facebook comments that accompanied the casting news. Seems most people love Daario.
    Some guys don’t like him, and they don’t get why the girls get all hot and bothered.

    Some (generally teenage and YA) guys don’t like him because he’s a self-obsessed, arrogant and vain, albeit not-the-brightest fellow who gets to have casual sex with the poster warrior/heroine girl. They seem to miss his charm, and the appeal that comes along with that same warrior/heroine girl being in complete charge of the situation…

  • Cary Storm: Some (generally teenage and YA) guys don’t like him because he’s a self-obsessed, arrogant and vain, albeit not-the-brightest fellow who gets to have casual sex with the poster warrior/heroine girl. They seem to miss his charm, and the appeal that comes along with that same warrior/heroine girl being in complete charge of the situation…

    Well, they have never experienced what it feels like to be a teenage girl who feverlishly lies awake at night, fantasizing about that totally bad, but oh so hot guy, until her insides ache. Very interesting though that GRRM does.

  • Jenny: Well, they have never experienced what it feels like to be a teenage girl who feverlishly lies awake at night, fantasizing about that totally bad, but oh so hot guy, until her insides ache. Very interesting though that GRRM does.

    Maybe the hatred is because of a resentment toward that teenage girl’s fantasies of that badass guy to whom they subconsciously feel they will always fail to measure up!

  • Jenny: He (I somehow think it’s a guy) has certainly not read the hundreds of happy facebook comments that accompanied the casting news. Seems most people love Daario.
    Some guys don’t like him, and they don’t get why the girls get all hot and bothered.

    No, I’m pretty sure she’s a female thirty-something, because I remember her saying that in an earlier discussion. And I’m also pretty sure we were on the same side in that discussion, which is why I’m truly curious. Sure, Daario is an arrogant ass, but he’s lots of fun to read and he proves to be of great service to Dany, in more ways than one. Plus, he has remained loyal to her, against all expectations, so he wasn’t a bad choice as an ally and casual lover.

  • Jenny,

    That’s fine and I don’t disagree with your call for less disparaging comments, but I think they do fine moderating the site in their way. When you start asking for them to moderate what others are saying, you come off as a bit of a tattletale. You can always ignore the comments you don’t like.

  • 500 posts and nobody has asked the most important question: how are they going to pronounce “Daario”? (Yes, this is mostly tongue in cheek).

    Will it be like “Daria” but with an “o”?

    Will it be “Da – ah – rio”?

    Inquiring minds want to know!

  • Never had really particular image about Daario so pretty much anything goes. But always thought Grey Worm would be bit more emotionless and colder. Could be just because of that smiling image.

  • Tom O’ Sevens: why does Bloodraven raise white flags? He was Lord commander of the Nights Watch and a targaryen loyalist.

    *Red* flags, actually. I dunno, he just doesn’t seem trustworthy in the current context. Granted, this is a visceral reaction based upon pretty much no evidence, so I could be (and probably hope I am) wrong. Then again, I wouldn’t be surprised if he starts (or has been) really messing with people, either directly or indirectly.

  • The Rabbit,

    You have reason: The biography of the poster: “My real names John Arsekickingly… arsekickingly by name arsekickingly by nature.”

  • If a long time fan of a certain franchise without an racist views bemoans the fact that a certain traditional character who happens to be White suddenly turns Black for PC purposes

    You can stop right there, because you just belied your own claim to be “without an [sic] racist view.” When a character of color or an ethnically ambiguous character is cast as white, that gets defended as “that person was the best actor–it’s the acting that matters!” But for you, a person of color being cast as a white character is just “PC purposes?” What happened to just casting the best actor–or are the “best actors” all white in your view?

    You have racist views, and you just expressed them. That’s not disputable. They may not be conscious views, they may not be intentional, but you have them. The proper response is not to flip out at having it pointed out to you, but to apologize and try to do better. We all have biases to overcome. Being more upset and outraged about being called a racist than actually being racist is not a good thing.

    Sincerely, a pale-skinned blonde.

    P.S. And yes, this issue is relevant. When a show communicates its intention to cast a non-white actor for a role, then casts a white actor anyway, that’s a slap in the face to a segment of the viewership who already see little representation of themselves on the show (and in the movie/TV industry as a whole). Trying to pass it off as “well, apparently there aren’t any actors of color talented enough for the role” is simply laughable.

  • Dan:
    Jenny,

    That’s fine and I don’t disagree with your call for less disparaging comments, but I think they do fine moderating the site in their way. When you start asking for them to moderate what others are saying, you come off as a bit of a tattletale. You can always ignore the comments you don’t like.

    Yes, but not if it takes hours to find On Topic comments.
    “Winter” had admonished Don long before that btw so I was surprised he kept going.

  • *tiptoes in…. and puts hand up *. I would like to ask a question? Do we “know” they announced a casting call for non white actors for this part? Or was that rumour ?

  • Elsinora: You can stop right there, because you just belied your own claim to be “without an [sic] racist view.”When a character of color or an ethnically ambiguous character is cast as white, that gets defended as “that person was the best actor–it’s the acting that matters!”But for you, a person of color being cast as a white character is just “PC purposes?”What happened to just casting the best actor–or are the “best actors” all white in your view?

    You have racist views, and you just expressed them.That’s not disputable.They may not be conscious views, they may not be intentional, but you have them.The proper response is not to flip out at having it pointed out to you, but to apologize and try to do better.We all have biases to overcome.Being more upset and outraged about being called a racist than actually being racist is not a good thing.

    Sincerely, a pale-skinned blonde.

    P.S. And yes, this issue is relevant.When a show communicates its intention to cast a non-white actor for a role, then casts a white actor anyway, that’s a slap in the face to a segment of the viewership who already see little representation of themselves on the show (and in the movie/TV industry as a whole).Trying to pass it off as “well, apparently there aren’t any actors of color talented enough for the role” is simply laughable.

    Actually the show never promoted it and it was only rumoured. Possibly they had some valid candidates and could not really decide, then they discover this super cocksure rapper actor
    and he just does it for them.
    I strongly doubt it was an anti-colour decision just a pro-Skrein one.

    As for the other thing: i totally agree and as another blonde european I say everybody who claims that whites are now being discrominated in this world is either blind, stupid or
    an ultra-rightwing Propaganda monger.

  • Mrs. H’ghar:
    Another Skrein interview where you see a bit more of his personality…

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9xusf69aOfo

    Interesting that the Red Viper is being mentioned, a woman thought they might use a distant extra in heavy armor to avoid hiring somebody for that until S4. This does imply that we will see the PW in S3 now, doesn’t it?

    I just watched this video, and while I am no sucker for book Daario, I believe this guy would have me, Dany, Cersei, Sansa, or hell, even Arya (ok maybe not Arya ) a bit weak in the knees. He just oozes what Daario should in the books. Not a knock on GRRM, I think it’s more of a perspective issue, but when reading I’m too busy chastising Dany for being silly and young (like I ‘m too old to be anymore) to get sucked in by the overconfident Don Juan. I don’t think that will be a problem with Mr. Skrein on the show.

  • James,

    Da ah rio sounds right in my head , but it might be pronounced Dario as Aaron is said arron so who knows… It drives me mad they say Catlyn when to my mind it’s Cate lyn… ya know magic “e” make “a” into “A” but hey ho ! :)

  • James:
    500 posts and nobody has asked the most important question:

    how are they going to pronounce “Daario”?(Yes, this is mostly tongue in cheek).

    aha! well, i always skip the second A – so it’s just da-rio for me.

  • Joshua Taylor:
    Memo to HBO, Nina Gold etc: from this day until our last day every casting announcement must be accompanied by either a picture of the actor in complete costume and makeup. The fact that they are actors makes no difference, costumes, makeup and the complete fulfilment of a mind’s eye visualization or GTFO. There are lives and cyber egos at stake here!

    LMAO, Will this work mon ami ?

  • jkb,

    Well I’m posh and I say Daaaaaaario! :) actually that’s how the wildlings would say it! Or would it be Daaaarioooooooo, Jon Snoooooo :)

  • Watson: You realize, of course, that you’ve been freely expressing this on the internet, and that nobody checked your skin color or gender before you did so? And that after expressing yourself, nobody called you any dirty name in any book? Meanwhile you were calling people insensitive racists and ethno-masochists.

    These terms, in addition to being totally out of place in a friendly fan forum, seem like quite a leap from remarks that were merely expressing disappointment with the casting of a white person in a role which had previously been described as a person of color. It is easy to conceive of motivations for such grievances that are rather reasonable, so I’m not sure why you assumed they carried the most extreme possible intentions.

    Also, I’m not clear on your broader claim as it seems every time I turn on the television I see white men freestyle windbagging all sorts of outrage, often about race. As a white man, I’ve never felt that people were predisposed to be hostile to my opinions or that any specific measures were being taken to prevent me from expressing myself.

    If you could give us a specific rundown of the things you would like to be saying, who is preventing you from saying them and by what means, that would be helpful.

    Well Struck Ser !

  • Jenny: Actually the show never promoted it and it was only rumoured. Possibly they had some valid candidates and could not really decide, then they discover this super cocksure rapper actor
    and he just does it for them.
    I strongly doubt it was an anti-colour decision just a pro-Skrein one.

    As for the other thing: i totally agree and as another blonde european I say everybody who claims that whites are now being discrominated in this world is either blind, stupid or
    an ultra-rightwing Propaganda monger.

    I dare you to say that to countless White men who’ve been personally affected by Affirmative Action. lol

    And I disagree with you wholeheartedly and say that whites (specifically MEN) are in fact now being discriminated against in this world and am neither blind, stupid nor “an ultra-rightwing Propaganda monger.”

    And everyone including White people approve, applaud and some even refer to it as “progress” just as long as they and their loved ones aren’t personally affected by it of course.

    It’s known as ethno masochism for a reason…

  • YvyB:
    *tiptoes in…. and puts hand up *. I would like to ask a question? Do we “know” they announceda casting call for non white actors for this part? Or was that rumour ?

    I believe Ours is the Fury commented on this yesterday. Understandingly many of
    those ( reasoned ) posts were ignored because of the NON ISSUE being so widely
    discussed or entertained here. The short answer to your question is Yes, then a search
    for outstanding features or character traits. My words are not exact so you may want to scroll up.

  • Elsinora: P.S. And yes, this issue is relevant. When a show communicates its intention to cast a non-white actor for a role, then casts a white actor anyway, that’s a slap in the face to a segment of the viewership who already see little representation of themselves on the show (and in the movie/TV industry as a whole). Trying to pass it off as “well, apparently there aren’t any actors of color talented enough for the role” is simply laughable.

    It doesn’t necessarily mean there weren’t any talented enough for the role, but that they didn’t find any that they found appropriate for the character. Maybe Skrein had an awesome audition, maybe they actively sought him out after seeing him in something else, who knows?

  • Jill,

    Did you ever watch “Zena – Warrior Princess”? Ran from about 1997 – 2001, I think. Anyway, there was an actor from New Zealand named Kevin Tod Smith who played “Ares – the Greek God of War” in the series and as soon as I started reading about Daario, I thought of Kevin/”Ares”. He was so big, so gorgeous, so arrogant, and such a rogue – he was messing around with Zena, Gaby, Calisto and every other female in the series – but you still loved him. (This is such a sad thing – Kevin fell from a prop tower, while shooting a movie in China in 2002, suffered severe head injuries, and died about 10 days later.) Kevin will always be my first choice for Daario, but Ed is a very close second.
    Here are some “Ares”/Kevin vids – enjoy!
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pLNS7ALl00s&feature=related
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-D8oqF4pOEI&feature=related
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JV2mfQ2DvM0&feature=fvwrel

  • Jenny,

    As for the other thing: i totally agree and as another blonde european I say everybody who claims that whites are now being discrominated in this world is either blind, stupid or
    an ultra-rightwing Propaganda monger.

    Can you see the hypocrisy in what you just said there? You wanted the moderators to do something about the unfriendliness of other peoples comments and then go and say something like this. I assume you decry racism because you want people to be treated fairly, and then you go and malign people who disagree with you about discrimination?

    Not only that, but it isn’t even accurate. Everybody is discriminated against. Discrimination isn’t even necessarily a bad thing. I’m a straight man and when I choose a sexual partner I discriminate against half the human race because I only will date women. I also will only date intelligent, beautiful women, so my discrimination in this regard is quite substantial. Obviously, you are worried about a different type of discrimination, but people have been playing so loose with the word that I felt it necessary to point out that everybody discriminates and it isn’t necessarily a bad thing.

    Still, even if we look at discrimination based on the color of your skin for getting hired for a job, then we still see white people are discriminated against. For example, there is affirmative action in the US which explicitly discriminates against the hiring of white people in favor of hiring non-whites.

    Now, you may favor things like affirmative action for whatever reason, but it is undeniable to say that white people are discriminated against. Everybody is.

  • James,

    I dare-ee-u to pronounce it correctly, or is that dare-ee-oh, damn might it be dear-eh-oh, nah, it must be dear-ee-oh, well it could be dare-eye-oh, oh h(w)ell, I give up, pronounce the name anyway you like.
    The important thing is ………………. who the *$%#% is going to play Strong Belwas.

  • Don,

    Don, just some personal, unsolicited advise from me, you make some valid points but when you throw out buzz words or make it personal then you are hurting your ability to get a fair hearing. If you are really passionate about the issue of white people being unfairly discriminated against, then it might be better to just state your case and show where people disagreeing with you are mistaken, IMO.

    On a side note, I think discrimination is perfectly fine in the private sector. I have no problem with women creating women only clubs or men doing the same. I don’t have even have a problem with a racist discriminating against an entire race by not letting them work or even shop at his business. I think it would be entirely stupid for someone to put a sign that said “blacks not allowed” on their store, but if idiots want to be idiotic on their own property it’s no skin off my back. I rather a racist be open about it so I know I don’t want to be associated with them. Let the racists be boycotted, stigmatized, and ostracized from civil society. I don’t want to be enrich a racist by unwittingly shopping in his store because I wasn’t aware of his beliefs. I want people to be free to say stupid things and for me to be free to not associate with them. I just don’t want people to be forced into associating with people they don’t want to associate with. I don’t believe you can create a more civil society by sticking a gun in people’s face and telling them to get along with each other.

  • Luana: Try taking a statistics course, my poor, idealistic child, instead of wasting your time on tumblr.

    I’m still really curious as to why you hate Daario with such a passion, though. Care to enlighten me with an explanation?

    Oh because I’m sure there’s a poll you can just easily look up. Frankly speaking, when the majority of posters on ANY forum or review site declare they don’t like a character (go get off your lazy ass and look for yourself, I’m not reblogging everything for you) then that’s -probably- a pretty accurate picture of the fanbase, wouldn’t you say? No? Even on these little comments on this site, most people seem to dislike Daario’s character. Get over it. He’s not a fan favorite. So what? I don’t care if you like him or not, most people think he’s an idiot and I happen to agree. I don’t like his arrogance, I don’t like his “I’m the 30 year old guy hitting on teenager” angle, and I think the character is -shallow- and poorly written in general.

    However, I don’t -hate- him with a passion. He’s a fictional character. I dislike the character, period. I am entitled to dislike whatever character I choose my poor arrogant pseudo-intellectual who can’t seem to comprehend anything beyond their own little opinion of “OH DAARIO <33333".

    Go back to your swooning. I'll go back to my vague disgust at how idiotic some people are. I doubt you're going to change my mind and I highly doubt I'll change yours, so as far as I'm concerned, sweetheart, this conversation is over.

  • Who would have thought a casting announcement for Daario and Grey Worm would turn so contentious? I didn’t think Daario was important enough that people actually cared one way or another for him.

  • Cary Storm,

    That hat GRRM is always wearing has a turtle badge on it. When interviewers ask silly questions like “if you had a sigil, what would it be?” Martin goes with turtles.

    So, who wants to choose a sigil?

    Note: you are not allowed to choose blue bearded rogues, the Aryan race, or Spartacus as your sigil.

  • Well it’s quarter past three in the morning here and quite frankly I’ve had enough of people’s opinions on certain subjects …I bid you Goodnight, may the old Gods and the new watch over you and I prey by ALL the Gods you blooming well shut up about it on the morrow and get back to GoT ….

  • Watson,

    Nooo ! Don’t ,I’m supposed to be going to bed !
    Ok mine would be …. Lion with dragon wings… flyin over a Wierwood with a wolf lying underneath… What too much?

  • A woman must admit…I like Daario (but not in a romantic way). Love those bad boys. Bad boys bad boys, watch gonna do….

    The Stark dire wolf sigil would be good enough for this woman. Go Arya!

  • Tom hardy would be great for Daario I think but alas. He’s def hot enough. He is British right? So he could have been considered. Oh well. He’s prob much too busy. Can’t wait to see him Rough n tough in this new movie Lawless. He also played the villain in star trek: Nemesis and was really the best part of that movie. I never even knew it was him because he was so rough and twisted in that movie. But he also cleans up GREAT!

  • Nice! I they somehow keep Daario’s blue hair/beard/yellow mustache thing obviously toned down for the show.

    Maybe they could give him blue and gold beard braids or blue streaks in beard with gold lip rings and extremely washed out blue hair

  • After seeing Ed Skrein in several videos I think it’s safe to say that he has that certain quality, that swagger that will be perfect for Daario. He may even make the character likable. And not to be shallow, I predict the ladies particularly the ones that have tumblrs and are the bane of Linda’s existence will embrace his character.

  • Watson:

    So, who wants to choose a sigil?

    I already got one, you see?

    But seriously, my last name actually means “lions,” so I guess I would have to be yet another reluctant Lannister.

    SHOW ME THE MONEY!

  • Tyrion Pimpslap,

    A lot of readers blame Daario for leading Dany astray and therefore causing GRRM to over extend Dany’s stay in Meeren (especially since almost half the stuff was not essential for progression of the story, hence its 3.5/5 star reviews). I am one of those readers who is still dumbfounded by George sticking to the title A Dance with Dragons, when there was no DwD (hell, Dany locked two of her children up*). The participants who will engage in the Dance have still not arrived. Only poor Quentyn engaged in the book, Tyrion, Victarion, Marwyn and the Maester sent by the Citadel are just now knocking on the door, so to speak.
    Personally I don’t see GRRM finishing in two books, unless they are 2000 pages each, otherwise the story will be rushed to conclusion. Paris herself raised three fingers when someone asked if George would finish in two books..

    *No way the Dany at the end of Storm would ever lock up her children, this is out of character for even her. I was confused by the illogical decision she made, after all her children are more important to her than a bunch of Meeren whore masters. I wonder if the Maester of the Citadel was behind this effort, since the Maesters have the knowledge that to stunt their growth and power, keep them locked up in a confined space. Wasn’t it Marwyn that told Sam they sent a representative to Meeren to destroy them.

    I still love DwD even with the bloated Dany story line, mainly because Tyrion’s journey, Theon’s arc, Jon’s (both of them), Quentyn;s and Victarion’s. What saved Dany’s for me, was Ser Barristan and the conclusion with Drogo.
    I gave it a B+, unlike Feast’s B (because of you know who’s boring travels).

  • Not so much of interest anymore, because Daario is cast, but here is an audition video for the part. It was uploaded two months ago, but I think it wasn’t posted here yet.

  • Good find! This one was also there, good to see they looked far and wide before casting Daario. Maybe some of these other actors will be sellswords since their ranks are supposed to be from everywhere?

    http://vimeo.com/43383419

  • Abyss:
    Not so much of interest anymore, because Daario is cast, but here is an audition video for the part. It was uploaded two months ago, but I think it wasn’t posted here yet.

    From this audition it looks like Dany will be getting her army of unsullied within the first 5 episodes

  • I take Jorah’s sweaty V neck as my sigil. I will fight to the death anyone who tries to steal it. :)

  • He says, they already got one… ;)

    ANiceChianti: I already got one, you see?

    But seriously, my last name actually means “lions,” so I guess I would have to be yet another reluctant Lannister.

    SHOW ME THE MONEY!

  • Mrs. H’ghar,

    Actually we found those a couple months ago, it’s one of the reasons we knew we’d see Daario next season. And those tapes were the first indicator that they were not necessarily going to cast a person of color as we’d initially heard.

  • Ours is the Fury:
    Mrs. H’ghar,

    Actually we found those a couple months ago, it’s one of the reasons we knew we’d see Daario next season. And those tapes were the first indicator that they were not necessarily going to cast a person of color as we’d initially heard.

    Cool. A woman doesn’t remember all the audition vids we’ve seen here, it seems there were a few Italian men who video auditioned for Daario and other roles, right? All pretty attractive too if I recall correctly. Wonder if any of them will end up in smaller roles?

  • Abyss:
    Not so much of interest anymore, because Daario is cast, but here is an audition video for the part. It was uploaded two months ago, but I think it wasn’t posted here yet.

    Oh. My.

    I hope they cast this actor in some other role, because I would definitely like to see more of him!

  • Rygar,

    There’s not really much racial controversy in the books (which I’m glad of, would take away from the overall story), why would u want them to insert a touchy subject where usually the white people are made to look evil anyway even tho it’s not always true in real life?? That would be a lot of unnecessary drama just for the hope that more ethnicities would be interested in the show.

  • What I really hope they don’t do w Daario in season 3 is fast forward ab 3 books worth just so she’ll have another significant love interest. Producers always seem to feel like they can’t keep their viewers unless the main characters are in love w someone all the time. I hope they don’t add to Dany and Daario’s story and end up leaving a lot of the rest of the 3rd book out or changing it completely (like season 2) because of it

  • Sijjvra: Oh because I’m sure there’s a poll you can just easily look up. Frankly speaking, when the majority of posters on ANY forum or review site declare they don’t like a character (go get off your lazy ass and look for yourself, I’m not reblogging everything for you) then that’s -probably- a pretty accurate picture of the fanbase, wouldn’t you say? No? Even on these little comments on this site, most people seem to dislike Daario’s character. Get over it. He’s not a fan favorite. So what? I don’t care if you like him or not, most people think he’s an idiot and I happen to agree. I don’t like his arrogance, I don’t like his “I’m the 30 year old guy hitting on teenager” angle, and I think the character is -shallow- and poorly written in general.

    However, I don’t -hate- him with a passion. He’s a fictional character.I dislike the character, period. I am entitled to dislike whatever character I choose my poor arrogant pseudo-intellectual who can’t seem to comprehend anything beyond their own little opinion of “OH DAARIO<33333″.

    Go back to your swooning. I’ll go back to my vague disgust at how idiotic some people are. I doubt you’re going to change my mind and I highly doubt I’ll change yours, so as far as I’m concerned, sweetheart, this conversation is over.

    Sigh. I knew I shouldn’t have come back to this page.

    My point is that there isn’t a scientific poll we can access, so making a statement like “most people think he’s an idiot” is silly. There’s a pretty obvious selection bias when you’re looking only at the tiny subset of book readers who comment on Internet fan sites. It’s going to give you about as accurate an impression of reality as, say, trying to gauge the intelligence of the human race by reading YouTube comments.

    Anyway, just to make you happy, I did venture over to tumblr, as you suggested, and I went through the Daario tag. Not too many people seem to care about him, but, amusingly enough, there are far more positive comments about the character than negative.

    The best part of this whole discussion is that I don’t have strong feelings one way or the other about Daario. All I said initially was that he’s an entertaining, cartoonish, over-the-top character that female characters apparently can’t resist even when they know he’s bad news, much like James Bond. Which was apparently what caused you to start dissing people whose opinions don’t align with your own.

    And for what it’s worth, I still think James Bond and Daario are fun characters, while acknowledging their problematic aspects. Last time I checked, liking a flawed fictional character doesn’t make you an idiot or a “pseudo” intellectual. Sweetheart.

  • Tereeza777: Tereeza777

    Posted August 21, 2012 at 7:30 pm | Permalink

    Jill,
    Did you ever watch “Zena – Warrior Princess”? Ran from about 1997 – 2001, I think. Anyway, there was an actor from New Zealand named Kevin Tod Smith who played “Ares – the Greek God of War” in the series and as soon as I started reading about Daario, I thought of Kevin/”Ares”. He was so big, so gorgeous, so arrogant, and such a rogue – he was messing around with Zena, Gaby, Calisto and every other female in the series – but you still loved him. (This is such a sad thing – Kevin fell from a prop tower, while shooting a movie in China in 2002, suffered severe head injuries, and died about 10 days later.) Kevin will always be my first choice for Daario, but Ed is a very close second.
    Here are some “Ares”/Kevin vids – enjoy!
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pLNS7ALl00s&feature=related
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-D8oqF4pOEI&feature=related
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JV2mfQ2DvM0&feature=fvwrel

    Ha, now you’ve got me wondering whether GRRM was watching Xena while he was writing Daario!

    Very sad about the actor, though.

  • I would like to see Ian McShane and Brian Cox cast for GoT. I was thinking maybe McShane as Euron Greyjoy and Cox as maybe Doran Martell. Does anyone else have opinions about this?

  • Only hardcore fans will know who STALWART SHIELD is (may he rest in peace).. without googling him.

  • Clambake,

    McShane and Cox are both amazing actors. Cox isn’t appropriate for Doran though, as the character isn’t white. Beyond that, those two actors can play pretty much anyone they want to and I’m up for it!

  • Rygar,

    But if it was stolen, he’d just have to walk around shirtless!

    I like Skrein for Daario, he’s not what I imagined at all, but from that clip and his photos he seems to have the Daario attitude just right, I think he’ll be great.

    I didn’t have a clear picture of Grey Worm in my mind but I hope Anderson does a good job with it. We need to respect and pity him at the same time, whiled being suitably awed by fighting effectiveness. I imagine it may be quite a difficult job- there surely aren’t many armies of very effective eunuch warriors around for an actor to study!

    Now we need Strong Belwas, please!

  • Shinyteapot,

    Would you complain?

    The Sand Snake,
    Most of my posts are failed attempts at wit. I was trying to diffuse the tension of the topic. Just ignore them as most others do. :)

    And to contribute to the Daario controversy, I can see why some like him. He’s the scruffy looking nerf herder type that gave Leia palpatations.

  • Rygar: I take Jorah’s sweaty V neck as my sigil. I will fight to the death anyone who tries to steal it. :)

    I love your posts almost as much as I love Ser V-neck. Vos alle, zhey vezhak!

    Shinyteapot: I didn’t have a clear picture of Grey Worm in my mind but I hope Anderson does a good job with it. We need to respect and pity him at the same time, whiled being suitably awed by fighting effectiveness

    Ditto. As for Daario, he looks pretty much as I imagined him in the first place, casting call aside. Can’t wait to see them on screen.

  • Ours is the Fury,

    Those two characters were just off the top of my head. I am going to do some more character research to see if I find anyone better for the actors. Do you have any ideas on who you would like to see them portray?

  • Luana: Ha, now you’ve got me wondering whether GRRM was watching Xena while he was writing Daario!
    Very sad about the actor, though.

    Luana,

    I think that maybe Mrs. George R. R. Martin was watching “Xena” and said: “George, do you think you could maybe write a part for this guy?” Kevin/”Ares” was the best (and one of the hottest) I’ve ever seen.

  • Shinyteapot: Absolutely.Shirtless implies he is still half clothed, this is unacceptable. :p

    Jorah is such a tease!

    S3 is definitely stepping it up in the “mandy” category…man eye candy. Even the blokes they got for Beric and Thoros are handsome. S3 is gonna be the season of the full frontal male. Mark it Donnie. Mark it zero!

  • darquemode:
    I found an interesting 1-hour movie that airs August 26 on BBC2 called “Murder: Joint Enterprise”.

    It stars 3 Thrones actors… Joe Dempsie (Gendry), Stephen Dillane (Stannis), and Robert Pugh (Craster) and is directed by Birger Larsen who directed the Danish crime dramas “Forbrydelsen” (The Killing) and “Den som dræber” (Those Who Kill).

    http://www.spoilertv.com/2012/08/murder-joint-enterprise-trailer-press.html

    Thanks I’ll look into that. You are also aware that Dr. Who new season
    begins Sept 1 st ?

  • darquemode,

    There’s also the upcoming Belfast serial killer series The Fall starring Gillian Anderson along with Michael McElhatton (Roose Bolton) and Ian McElhinney (Barristan Selmy). Any word when that is supposed to start?

  • Luana: Sigh. I knew I shouldn’t have come back to this page.

    My point is that there isn’t a scientific poll we can access, so making a statement like “most people think he’s an idiot” is silly. There’s a pretty obvious selection bias when you’re looking only at the tiny subset of book readers who comment on Internet fan sites. It’s going to give you about as accurate an impression of reality as, say, trying to gauge the intelligence of the human race by reading YouTube comments.

    Anyway, just to make you happy, I did venture over to tumblr, as you suggested, and I went through the Daario tag. Not too many people seem to care about him, but, amusingly enough, there are far more positive comments about the character than negative.

    The best part of this whole discussion is that I don’t have strong feelings one way or the other about Daario.All I said initially was that he’s an entertaining, cartoonish, over-the-top character that female characters apparently can’t resist even when they know he’s bad news, much like James Bond. Which was apparently what caused you to start dissing people whose opinions don’t align with your own.

    And for what it’s worth, I still think James Bond and Daario are fun characters, while acknowledging their problematic aspects. Last time I checked, liking a flawed fictional character doesn’t make you an idiot or a “pseudo” intellectual. Sweetheart.

    Ditto. I had to take nearly 2 days off from this babble.

  • Ours is the Fury:
    Clambake,

    McShane and Cox are both amazing actors. Cox isn’t appropriate for Doran though, as the character isn’t white. Beyond that, those two actors can play pretty much anyone they want to and I’m up for it!

    I suggested on the WiCfan board that Doran Martell should be Tony Shalhoub. :)

  • I hav or is she in both? Yes I could just check the books or brave the shitfilled muck which is westeros and check there. I am just hoping she will be back in S3 (naked).

  • Only half of my comment posted.

    I asked if Mel is in ASoS or if she is in AFoC or if she is in both? I can not remember as I haven’t readthem in years.

  • A woman also thinks Tom Brooke will play the Goat. Don’t know his work, just looks goat-y to this woman!

  • Joshua Taylor:
    Cary Storm,

    I’m hoping HBO reveals another big name for Hoat and the others mentioned including Gorman are Shagwell, Urswcyck respectively. Fingers crossed for Jared Harris.

    Watson,

    I think Harris would be great as Marsh or maybe Cotter Pyke. I would just be happy to get Harris on Thrones in any role! XD

    The other actor I have pictured as Cotter Pyke is Sean Gilder. He plays the weathered tough guy so well and has the pock marked face of Pyke.

    You mentioning Jared Harris as Vargo Hoat made me think of his brother. I always thought Jamie Harriswould make an AWESOME Vargo Hoat! He has that gaunt and crazed look built into his face unlike Jared. Although Jared could act the part regardless! The man is a talented actor just like his father, Richard Harris. That is one seriously talented family.. wow!

  • darquemode: The other actor I have pictured as Cotter Pyke is Sean Gilder.

    Mmm, I love me some Sean Gilder. Good call, I’ve thought about suggesting him for Victarion.

  • Macha,
    I’ve been trying to think of a role for Gilder and Wilding or NW seems to fit best and now that most of the named Wildlings are cast…. NW it is!

    I had not thought of that but it may fit him better body wise. Victarion is a big powerful guy and if I recall Pyke is a wiry guy. Gilder is definitely bigger far as I recall…

    I’m not sure build is that important to Pyke’s character though… not like Victarian’s. HE should be believable as a warrior at least. Does not need some body builder or huge guy to play him, but they should be solid and look like they can handle themselves….

    I wonder which newly cast (or re-cast) Night’s Watchmen we will meet in Season 3…..
    I assume a few new NW conspirators among the returning NW at Craster’s. Everything else depends on where they end the year. I assume they will not include Mance’s main assault on the Wall but do they include Styr’s assualt or not? So many of the NW are fairly minor characters honestly…. Minor, but a lot of fun! I hope they include a fair number of them!

    Another actor I would love to see on GOT is Tommy Flanagan! I wonder if he can fit it in with Sons of anarchy filming at about the same time though…..

  • Joshua Taylor,

    Last I read The Fall was going to air in the Fall (how apropos), but no set date and time.. October I think….

    Should be a fun series. On top of the two you mentioned it has the actor that plays Biter, Gerard Jordan. Plus a number of actors I want to see on Thrones like John Lynch and Stuart Graham etc.

    I missed your post the earlier, sorry I didn’t reply sooner.

  • I don’t think Shagwell will be cast. From the Vargo Hoat auditions that I’ve seen it looks like Vargo will cut Jamie’s hand off and not Shagwell

  • Carne,

    As much as I like Sean Gilder in the role… Sean Harris as Cotter Pyke would be a good fit!

    “No man would ever call Cotter Pyke handsome, though the body under his studded brigantine and roughspun breeches was lean and hard and wiry strong. His eyes were small and close-set, his nose broken, his widow’s peak as sharply pointed as the head of a spear. The pox had ravaged his face badly, and the beard he’d grown to hide the scars was thin and scraggly.”

    It does sound quite a bit like Sean Harris….

  • A woman thinks it would be fine if Vargo took off Jaime’s hand instead of Shagwell, how many minor characters can a TV viewer keep track of after all?

    Yeeha! Finally got my avatar to work!

  • No word on who he’s playing, but Tom Brooke will appear in more than one episode. Vargo is still my guess.

  • Cary,

    Yes, but note that for Emilia (plays Dany) this is her first acting job right out of school and she’s phenomenal! If they get the part, they ARE the part perfectly! The casting crew know what they are looking for with help from the producers and also George RR himself!

  • Al Swearengen:
    Carne,

    Ed’s totally nothing like how I pictured Daario he’s got the wrong skin tone for a start, I was expecting someone a little more exotic.

    Well you and some others pictured him wrong.

    He is from Tyrosh, an former colony of old Valyria. Same race as the Targaryans -> Not asian/hispanic.
    I guess some people were fooled by the name.

  • Aegon the Conqueror,
    “I think the only time someone has a reason to complain is when a white guy is cast to play a black character and does so with the help of make up. Think back to Ben Kingsley playing Ghandi.”
    Ben Kingsley is half Indian….