Season two VFX details arise from Dragon Days panel

Do we know if Piximondo are doing the VFX for season 3 as well? Heard that a number of London companies were bidding on it.

WANTED: A Most Skilled Extractor

MISSION: To procure the ending of A Song of Ice And Fire from the minds of any of the targets.

TARGETS: George, David or Dan

PRICETAG: 1 million dollars

Any takers? ;)

Oh man, I wish I could have been at this panel! The first thing my co-workers and I do on mondays after Thrones airs is talk about the effects and how good they usually are. It’s fun to discuss them and figure out how they are done and our favorite game is ’3D or practical’. It blew some of the comp guys’ minds that the White Walkers were practical. The only things that tend to look a bit off are the direwolves and that’s usually a practical plate problem from what I can tell.

but Pixomondo feared it would look cheesy and would end up looking like a rainbow

I laughed so hard at this! Can’t fault them for that.

I’m afraid ill have to stop watching if the series takes over the books, can’t be spoiling the books for me now GOT!

Waiting for Mrs. H’ghar to comment on her husband’s reappearance!

dragons spiting rainbows? thank God they didn’t do it hahaha it would seem to much My Little Pony.
or 9gag memes xP

What did Tom W. talk about?

I am going to miss Tom :-(

Is there any chance they could alter Arya’s AFFC story so that Jaq could return ?

Wow – tough crowd. I thought the Shadow-Baby (especially the “birth”) was freakin’ stunning! Just awesome! How the heck else could they have done it to satisfy you?

Morbo:
I loved the dragons and the wildfire this season. Looked absolutely awesome.
However, the part where Grey Wind threatens Jaime looked very cheesy and the shadow baby (both the special effects as the entire Renly-sequence) was a big disappointment.

Wow that’s strange.. I’m seeing a lot of people misspell “awesome” as “cheesy”.. what a weird coincidence.

In the books the dragons fire matches their scale color so I’m not even sure how you get a rainbow out of black, green and cream..

WompWomp,

Oh I am so on you with the Ice thing, was waiting the entire season 2 for Robb to put up a rant about the Lannisters having to return the sword. What do you think they did with the blade after season 1?
Also on that note still dissapointed with Valyrian steel. Apparently everyone in the series can see when it is Valyrian except for the audience, still looks like regular steel to me. So wanted to see the ripples from being folded on itself a thousan times.

Very cool info. Glad to see the post-production guys are getting a platform to talk about their work.

In case he doesn’t Finish the Last Two Books ????? WTF!!!!! That will not happen
and won’t be allowed. Dr Who has assured me he is GRRM’s personal physician.

Cavegirl: You’ll have a second chance.

In October, several members of the Game of Thrones cast will attend the Ring Con in Bonn Germany.

There will be :

Iain Glen : Ser Jorah Mormont
Finn Jones : Loras Tyrell
Maisie Williams : Arya Stark
Miltos Yerolemou : Syrio Forel
Roxanne McKee : Doreah
Joe Dempsie : Gendry
Natalia Tena : Osha

And of course :Jason Momoa : Khal Drogo

Visual effects supervisor Juri Stanossek will be there as well.

http://www.ringcon.de/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=58&Itemid=67&lang=en

I’ll be there too:o)

WOW ! Wish I were there.

Aegon the Conqueror:
WildSeed,

Are you of the female persuasion?

Yes, and very short in height according to you :D

Anyone who believes that GRRM told them what’s going to happen in the next two books, is fooling themselves.

Martin himself probably only has the vaguest idea how it’s all going to turn out. I doubt he even knows yet whether Tyrion, Dany, etc will survive the series.

Brian Smith,

I believe his exact words in the interview I saw were “Broad strokes”.

So yeah, they have a general outline of whats going to happen.

Brian Smith,

He’s said he knows pretty much where everyone major ends up.

I’m glad I’m not the only one anticipating Mrs. H’agar appearance.

“Broad strokes” makes more sense.

Anyone else here (ADWD spoiler) think that Jon Snow has to stay dead/wargified for the credibility of the story?

The first thing I thought when I saw the shadow birthing scene for the first time was that it looked a lot like the Dementors in Harry Potter, glad to know I was on the right track and they did use that at least partially for inspiration. I’m not saying that I was disappointed by the FX, just that I saw the similarity immediately.

Brian Smith,

Besides his death brought on salt and smoke indicating he might be Azor Ahai, that and off course his more than probable Targeryen lineage. His stabbing was just meant as an enormous cliffhanger, he’ll pull through.
Does anyone else think House Targeryen is basically fucked? They have three (probable) members remaining, Jon, Aegon and Dany. Aegon or Jon marries Dany to become king. But Dany is infertile, how the hell are they gonna keep the bloodline pure?

Aegon the Conqueror,

I could have just imagined it, but I believe they had new props for everyone this season. Jon was sharpening Longclaw at one point (ugh, sharpening a Valyrian sword? [laughs]), and it looked distinct from the vanilla steel everyone else was packing.

I try to minimize my book-fidelity nitpicks and enjoy the show as presented, but I see Valyrian steel in particular as a huge missed opportunity. They’re a sleek and silent testament to the glory of Old Valyria as well as kickass heirlooms of their respective noble houses. It would have been awesome to have Ice referred to by name and have Bran recite a few named blades to Maester Luwin as a part of his lessons, maybe even toss in a remark about how big Ice is compared to everyone else’s ancestral blade. Because, if you think about it, they’re basically cock extensions. :)

Valyrian steel’s significance runs deeper, much deeper, than even I ever expected it to. For the show to gloss over it… ugh. So frustrating. It’s part of the Fire side of A Song of Ice and Fire, for Seven’s sake.

Aegon the Conqueror:
WildSeed,

Well this is a shocker! All this time I thought you were a bro! Oddly much the same feeling as I got when I found out Ours is the Fury is actually Hers is the Fury.
I thought you were a guy, that’s why I was like, “Jis that’s really short!”

I’m laughing so hard my side hurts :D Well most of my collogues have stated that I’m
a “guys’s girl / true bud”. I guses that means I can listen well and not be as biased as
some. My perspective is to respect truth no matter where you find it. I hate mushy
topics so my female buddies think I’m weird. You don’t sound like a stereotype yourself
but then again you’re 50 light years away from my galaxy here. When I see you in
your corporeal form somewhere, I’ll address you as “Aegon the Conquerer” whom
stands taller than I” aye! I do play soccer though, maybe I have some admittance
in the clubroom :D

Brian Smith:
Anyone who believes that GRRM told them what’s going to happen in the next two books, is fooling themselves.

Martin himself probably only has the vaguest idea how it’s all going to turn out. I doubt he even knows yet whether Tyrion, Dany, etc will survive the series.

No, he’s been pretty clear that he knows both how the entire story ends but also how each main character’s story ends. He didn’t clearly say each and every one, but it’s pretty apparent he knows the arc and how they interact at the end.

That said, it’s also apparent from his discussion that it’s not like he has a detailed outline or anything, so I imagine that if the HBO show gets ahead of him (i.e. past The Winds of Winter, which should be done or very close by the time they get there), it won’t really be all that close.

On a third hand, this isn’t a binary decision. Martin may not outline much, but I imagine if they do get ahead of Martin, even after multiple seasons per book and any extended hiatuses (which are not uncommon for these types of shows), it’s not like they can’t work a bit differently.

I would expect Martin to actually outline quite a bit. It could change, but I really doubt Martin is going to have a half hour conversation with D&D and they just go off. I imagine he’d want to provide a bit more direction — already finished chapters, a detailed outline (even if it may change), etc.

Alan: No, he’s been pretty clear that he knows both how the entire story ends but also how each main character’s story ends.He didn’t clearly say each and every one, but it’s pretty apparent he knows the arc and how they interact at the end.

That said, it’s also apparent from his discussion that it’s not like he has a detailed outline or anything, so I imagine that if the HBO show gets ahead of him (i.e. past The Winds of Winter, which should be done or very close by the time they get there), it won’t really be all that close.

I want that in writing, the Winds of Winter should be done or close by GoT’s later seasons.

WildSeed: I want that in writing, the Winds of Winter should be done or close by GoT’s later seasons.

I imagine that there’s at minimum four and probably more before they’d shoot Winds of Winter. And again, that’s before any kind of hiatus or anything.

Dance did take six years, but I think that will be the longest. That had the Mereneese knot and Feast had the rewrite from the five year gap scrapping. Things can come together now, hopefully. But even moreso, I’m sure a decent portion of Dance was done by four years in, and much of the rest he had a decent idea of what would happen. No doubt there were many minor and probably some major divergences — but it’s not like D&D would be working from a blank slate.

On the other hand, I have no idea how he finishes the whole series before the show reaches the absolute end. At least not unless things start coming out on a two-year cycle again.

Very interesting! Especially the details about the shadow baby, and the lack of coloured dragon flame (I was wondering why they didn’t go that route, interesting that it was a choice by pixomondo rather than HBO).

Udi:
Waiting for Mrs. H’ghar to comment on her husband’s reappearance!

A woman is most pleased to see the handsome face of her beloved at the top of the thread! Well done to the photographer and thanks for your report on the seminar, very interesting stuff indeed.

Tereeza777:
Udi,

I am not Mrs. H’ghar – butI love him with the beginnings of a mustache and a beard.

; – )

Rygar:
She and I have been cheating on Jaqen with V neck Jorah. :)

A woman is shocked by this suggestion…does looking count? : – 0

Aegon the Conqueror: Does anyone else think House Targeryen is basically fucked? They have three (probable) members remaining, Jon, Aegon and Dany. Aegon or Jon marries Dany to become king. But Dany is infertile, how the hell are they gonna keep the bloodline pure?

Not if Jaime & Cersei are also Targs. ;) Which I strongly believe. But even if they were, they weren’t legitimized, not to mention Cersei’s prophecy does suggest her children will die before she does, so yeah, I guess we’re back to House T being pretty much fucked. I’m not so sure about Dany’s infertility or ability to sustain a pregnancy, but I’m 99% sure neither her nor Jon will make it out of this series alive.

Impi,

A great theory you got there, I really like it and, admittedly, I haven’t thought of it. But, I was always under the impression that Jon does whatever he sees fit. I mean, he’s already broken some of his vows, hasn’t he?

Macha,

Wait what?! The Lannister twincest couple are Targeryens? Where did you get that one?

Aegon the Conqueror,

House Targaryen is not in a good shape that is for sure!
Dany is infertile if what she believes is true. We do not know for certain she is baren…. If Aegon is legit and marries a fertile bride he could have some heirs I guess, but considering he is trying to reclaim the throne, odds are not in his favor. OF course if R+L=J is true then Jon is a Targaryen… Although his future is uncertain right now too! XD

I’ve alwas felt there could be other Targs out there… or at least other Blackfyres (or Rivers) that went underground in the Free Cities after the Blackfyre Rebellion. Illyrio could be offspring from one of the Great Bastards as well as Varys. It would help to explain their loyalty to House Targaryen and desire to put a Targ back on the Iron Throne….

Dan,

If he is true to his word, I can see 8 seasons (maybe 9 if GRRM adds another book to the series) of Game of Thrones proper and maybe a spin-off or prequel season if they catch up to GRRM. Doing a prequel season would give GRRM another year or two to wite another book. Somewhat like they did with Spartacus as they dealt with Andy’s illness and then recast the lead role.

I would love to see a season on Robert’s Rebellion or the Blackfyre Rebellion, or even Dunk and Egg!

darquemode,

I would love to see a series or a movie perhaps on Robert’s Rebellion starring Joe Dempsie.
LMFAO! I suppose pre teen years can be confusing for some.

Shinyteapot,

I again would be horribly dissapointed if he wasn’t, the tragic irony of Brandon and Rickard dying for a kidnapped Lyanna who wasn’t really kidnapped is incredible. Plus I could never see Lord Eddard sleeping with someone else than his wife.
Just by the way, Ive heard Brienne shouted Sword right before lady Stoneheart wanted to hang her, how the hell did the Oathkeeper save her life?

Aegon the Conqueror,

Fair point, but of course I still prefer my version. And if R+L=J is true, that doesn’t necessarily mean it wasn’t a kidnapping- might have been, might not. Either way, Aerys’ response was the true problem. Had Lyanna run off with someone else, the guy’s father might have responded with either ‘no idea, good luck with the search’ or ‘they’re both idiots, but no violence or else’ and there wouldn’t have been a war.

What matters to me is the overall idea though. I like ‘it matters who you are’ more than ‘it matters whose genes you inherited’. Which makes the Prince Aegon storyline potentially very interesting, if it is as was hinted.

Macha,

I’ve never been a huge believer in the Jaime and Cersei = Targ theory, but the one piece of “evidence” I do find interesting is that Tywin gave both Jaime and Cersei non-traditional Lannister names, but gave Tyrion a very traditional Lannister name..

For a while I did wonder if Tyrion was a Targ though. He has the mismatched eyes that Aegon’s bastard Shiera Seastar had. Coincidentally, Shiera’s mother died in childbirth just like Tyrion’s. Plus there is a few other things that could be interpretted to support Tyrion= Targ. Dragon dreams, he is small and deformed like the last of the dragons. I forget, but I know there is more…

Shinyteapot,

That’s exactly why I’m voting for young Aegon to take the throne and not Dany (although dragons certainly do help).
Yes I agree but remember Aerys was mad so a logical response isn’t to be expected. Plus I sincerely think a part of Aerys wanted that war, the same part that wanted to blow up the entire Kings Landing. Damn GRRM I support Ned and Robert the whole way but Rhaegar was just so damn likeable!

Aegon the Conqueror,
Wasn’t Joanna Tywin’s cousin or something? She was a Lannister also from what I remember, so there. :)
darquemode,
One of the reasons I’d love the Tyrion-Targ theory to be proven false is because of his relationship with Tywin. Wouldn’t it be something if the ugly dwarf he despises turns out to be his only child? It would certainly be more ironic, tragic even, me thinks. Right up GRRM’s alley. ;)

Macha,

Joana was a Lannister cousin from a cadet branch if I recall, yep.

Tyrion being Tywin’s only natural son would be some fun irony…
I think that is not proof of anything though I guess. I also like the semetry if Tyrion is a Targ. Jaime killed Aerys II (Tyrion’s father) and and Tryion killed Jaime’s father Tywin. Such a special and unique bond between half-brothers that would be! XD

Aegon the Conqueror,

I’d like that to happen too, but there seems to be a cloud of doom there- he’s been taught to be a good ruler, thus far seems nice but a bit impetuous and wants to lead from the front. Add that he’s won his first battle at Griffin’s Roost and he’s sounding very similar to a certain young Wolf. (Also, he’s not a POV character but his parent/advisor is). It would be interesting for him to win, at least for a while (sooner or later the Others arrive). But he’s got that too nice to live aura.

On the plus side, having Varys on his team means he must know at least a little of the sneakier arts!

Rhaegar comes across as likeable but I make no decisions- we only have rose-tinted memories from people who want to like him. Dany never met him, Viserys was a very young child when the war started, so they don’t even count. Very few sources of first hand information- though apart from Robert what little we have is largely positive. There’s not enough to say though.

darquemode:
Joana was a Lannister cousin from a cadet branch if I recall, yep.

She was Tywin’s first cousin, actually. So Tywin’s father’s sibling’s kid.

I really don’t like that phrase “in case George can’t finish the books” makes me sad

Shinyteapot:
Aegon the Conqueror,

I have a horrible bias here, because what I want to be true and what seems likely to be true are different.I don’t want Jon to be special, and I don’t want R+L=J to be true.I will probably be disappointed.It’s personal preference- I like ‘best person for the job’ much more than ‘person who had the right parents’.So if the bastard boy who started out annoying and grew up into an interesting man -who could be a great leader- turns out to be secret royalty and the subject of a major prophecy, I will cringe.I’d prefer it if he were his own man, and where he comes from doesn’t matter.

I wouldn’t mind at all if he stays dead or warged into Ghost though.Turns the prophecy bit around (I like prophecies when they can be wrong- was the prophet was really gifted or just making up a good story?) and would make up for the two cop-outs from AFFC. I like Brienne and I like Davos, but I was surprised and a bit annoyed that both turned up again, I expected at least one to be properly dead.If Jon comes back too, it’s getting too much.

From your mouth/keyboard to George’s eyes and ears. I’m actually somewhat confident that George’s endings and character paths will be so much different than the fan theories on many things. I know it is still epic fantasy, but George’s choices so far have really tried to be realistic and have definitely run to a political and philosophical view that doesn’t really rely on things like divine right and birthright. Yes, he likes medieval settings and epic fantasy, but I truly do think that he will disappoint many of the shippers and theorists whose ideas run down traditional paths.

darquemode:
Macha,

I’ve never been a huge believer in the Jaime and Cersei = Targ theory, but the one piece of “evidence” I do find interesting is that Tywin gave both Jaime and Cersei non-traditional Lannister names, but gave Tyrion a very traditional Lannister name..

For a while I did wonder if Tyrion was a Targ though. He has the mismatched eyes that Aegon’s bastard Shiera Seastar had. Coincidentally, Shiera’s mother died in childbirth just like Tyrion’s. Plus there is a few other things that could be interpretted to support Tyrion= Targ. Dragon dreams, he is small and deformed like the last of the dragons. I forget, but I know there is more…

This is one theory that has some credibility. I wonder when GRRM will drop some
gems for us to spar over,doubt it will be book 6 or 7 ):

darquemode:
Aegon the Conqueror,

House Targaryen is not in a good shape that is for sure!
Dany is infertile if what she believes is true. We do not know for certain she is baren…. If Aegon is legit and marries a fertile bride he could have some heirs I guess, but considering he is trying to reclaim the throne, odds are not in his favor.OF course if R+L=J is true then Jon is a Targaryen… Although his future is uncertain right now too! XD

I’ve alwas felt there could be other Targs out there… or at least other Blackfyres (or Rivers) that went underground in the Free Cities after the Blackfyre Rebellion. Illyrio could be offspring from one of the Great Bastards as well as Varys. It wouldhelp to explain their loyalty to House Targaryen and desire to put a Targ back on the Iron Throne….

Very Very Interesting about possible Blackfyre Rebellion connection and that of
Varys/ Illyrio. Although a reasonable speculation where the dots merge to form
this opinion the dots may also merge around Illyrio’s brief history lesson to T
as to why things are as they are.

Aegon the Conqueror:
WildSeed,

Haha well I suppose the best bro’s in the world are females. From what country are you again?
Well I really wouldn’t have guessed you were a woman by your statements (I mean that in the very best possible sense) still a bit shocked at this revelation. WildSeed is a woman! Darqeumode just please tell my you’re a guy and I’m not wrong about you too.

I was born in Gonaives Haiti but traveled back and forth to the States with my
family. We settled in the Southeast coast and New York before pushing off to
the western coast ( N California ). I have a few relatives still in the Caribbean but
some have moved on to France and Holland. I’ve visited them all but the details
of a busy life make it difficult to do it often. Never thought I’d remain in the US after
my studies but here I am.I love California because of the terrain and even weather
( no hurricanes ) but the people are harder to befriend. I’m used to a village life
surrounded by an extended family compound so it’s always a ( welcomed ) challenge
for me. I have my sights on the Pacific Rim as my next jump.

My guess was correct that darquemode, Macha, and probably most here are gents.
Some one posted earlier in agreeing with me about finding Jaquen H’ghar handsome
( Tom) so watch out :D

WildSeed,

Wait what? Now you are telling me Macha is a guy? But the avatar looks like a girl and the name sounds like one too!
I think California would indeed be a spectacular place to stay though I can’t comment on the the people. If however you are looking to visit some friendly people feel free to visit the Afrikaner Gautengers. They are an amazingly friendly group of people, though I can’t say the same after you travel south of the Free State.

Aegon the Conqueror:
WildSeed,

Wait what? Now you are telling me Macha is a guy? But the avatar looks like a girl and the name sounds like one too!
I think California would indeed be a spectacular place to stay though I can’t comment on the the people. If however you are looking to visit some friendly people feel free to visit the Afrikaner Gautengers. They are an amazingly friendly group of people, though I can’t say the same after you travel south of the Free State.

Thanks and yes I’m aware about traveling south there from some news reports and my
neighbour Zola. As long as the region is safe ( and diverse )where you travel the native
culture is just something to gain insight and respect. Most individuals vary somewhat
in their personality or appearance, I just look for a bonding principle and you’re well
on your way to becoming a student of the world. We’re more alike than different so
recognize that and escape the dramatic overtones of the few ( and dangerous ). If
you ever get to watch ” Globe Trekker “, Justine who’s one of the main host is also
from South Africa and lives about 8 miles from my home. Small world, maybe Tyrion
will show up here with Penny :D

Oh my was I wrong about Macha, I believed to consider a dude behind the name..LOL.

Aegon the Conqueror,

YG is interesting and potentially could be very good. I’d like it to happen. Which is why I don’t expect it to. I may have been reading these books too long! :)

The conqueror-equivalent is surely Dany though. She’s got dragons and seems to be slowly progressing towards a ‘kneel or burn’ mentality. But that doesn’t mean she’ll be as successful as your namesake.

Aegon the Conqueror,
Lols were had. It’s alright, you nailed it just this once, I’m a woman. ;)
Now I’m willing to bet YG either isn’t really Aegon OR – if he is – he’ll bite the dust soon enough. En garde!

Mrs. H’ghar,

:) :) :)

Aegon the Conqueror: Again, God forbid a competent ruler should ever sit on the Iron Throne.

Aerys, Robert, Joffrey (and his mother)- perhaps GRRM hates ‘current era’ Westeros? It’s certainly caused him enough stress!

To be fair, while Robert was a drunk and not the least bit interested in ruling, he’s not in the same class as the other two. Still, it’s not exactly a good run!

I agree on Dany. She’s not exactly been good for Meereen. Her intentions were good, and she did at least learn something from Astapor (if you make a mess, stay to sort it out), but she’s not doing a very good job. Of course the only examples of a ‘king’ she’s had to learn from are Viserys and Drogo, she’s a teenager and still dealing with the loss of her child, so it’s not surprising really. But I don’t see her as the saviour of Westeros (not sure anyone is that)- except perhaps by defeating the Others and dying in the process.

Can’t say I’d object if it turned out her part in the story was to bring dragons into the world, get them to fighting size and then lose them/die. It would certainly be a shock compared to the ‘Dany invades Westeros with dragons’ moment that we’ve expected for so long. But I think a lot of people would burn their books if that happened!

Ahh to be in charge….as in D&D are the 1% and we are the 99%…..LOL. I sure hope that George does manage to finish the books before. Also keep in mind that whatever storyline he has in his head is at best a roughdraft, as we know stories evolve and change, so whatever info he game D&D is perphaps to give them an indication of where the novels are heading so that they can at least plan for where the show will head, should heavens smile on us and we get the full story arch. It doesn’t necessarily mean that he disclosed every single detail and plot twist.

Probably he himself doesn’t yet know where its all heading or how it will end…though I bet he has a pretty good idea!

PS Please oh please bring on the Queen Of Thorns…Lady Olena will be welcomed addition!

The Young Wolf:
What did Tom W. talk about?

At first he was interviewed about the shooting (telling for example that he could decide how to pronounce his name in the show and that he at first tried it with an eastern european accent) and how he got the job (by recording a casting video on his phone with the help of his neighbor on a hot day, quickly, because he wanted to go to the lake ^^). Then he read the whole chapter with Jaqen and Arya in Harrenhal (including the last of the three names, weasel soup, the coin), in german of course. It took like three quarters of an hour. It was brilliant!

After the event he also stayed for photos and autographs although it was no official part of the evening. A very nice guy! And he joked how we were able to see the second season that hasn’t aired in Germany yet (“What? But we haven’t! How could we?” :p). It was an awesome evening.