George R.R. Martin at Worldcon, and Vanessa Taylor talks season three
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At Worldcon on Saturday, George R.R. Martin fielded several questions in a panel led by Maureen Ryan and Peter Sagal. The 70-minute long panel was recorded and a podcast of the discussion is now online. (An iTunes version is also available.) Maureen Ryan has an article at the Huffington Post detailing the podcast and providing additional info.

The panel covers a multitude of topics. Here are some of the highlights:

  • Regarding Mance Rayder, Martin sees him as roughly the age equivalent of Qhorin Halfhand. He mentions that Mance has gray hair and is “not a young man,” and is happy with the casting of Ciarán Hinds. He’s also pleased with the casting of Diana Rigg as the Queen of Thorns and has fond memories of her in The Avengers.
  • Martin admits he doesn’t always have everything plotted and planned out ahead of time, referring to himself as a “much more of a gardener than an architect.” He confirms that he knows how the series will end, and what the fate of all the major characters will be.
  • The characters he is most at home writing are Tyrion and Arya.
  • When asked about the changing of the House of the Undying on the show,  George says, “Sooner or later, they will have to deal with Rhaegar and Lyanna and the Mad King.” He acknowledges the practical aspects of the adaptation, and that showing prophecies may cause issues down the road if a character or part of a storyline has to be moved or changed. That isn’t an issue for George when writing a book but it is on a TV show.
  • He cites Sean Bean, Peter Dinklage, Lena Headey, Gwendoline Christie, Conleth Hill, and “the kids” as being his favorite portrayals of his characters. He is very happy with the actors in general on the show.
  • The show did audition some younger actresses for the role of Margaery but Natalie Dormer was “fantastic,” and he loves the casting choice.
  • Martin acknowledges that Shae is very different than the character in the books and that initially he didn’t like the change much, but that in the second season he came to really like her.
  • He also says that Talisa is not the same character as Robb’s wife in the books, she is not the daughter of a Lannister bannerman, and she is not just a version of “Jeyne.” He is the one who suggested changing her name because Jeyne is not a Volantene name.

In other news, Game of Thrones writer Vanessa Taylor shared a few thoughts about season three in a podcast Q&A with Jeff Goldsmith.

 I’ve actually been learning a particular lesson this season. My bosses seem to be becoming more visual storytellers. All of the episodes of the third season seem to open with a particularly cinematic opening. And they’re less about sort of clever dialogue and transition and more about these huge cinematic… um, you know, just the visuals of it all. And so I’m really learning a different way of writing from that. Because I think it’s quite subtle and I feel like, by contrast, the writing of the second season was a bit more conventional.

When asked about changes made in the adaptation from book to screen, Taylor says:

Well, according to George and Bryan Cogman, the other writer on the show other than myself and our bosses, it is never okay to deviate. But we have to for a couple of reasons. One, as you’ve said, there’s too many characters so we have to sort of condense. The other thing is that it’s not all produceable even with the budget we have, we’re really strained. And so I think the basic rule is we make it as close as we possible can but there are times when we just can’t.

Ours is the Fury: The podcast is great, full of interesting tidbits and stories, much more than I can summarize here. George is a funny guy. The Taylor podcast is intriguing, with the hint of more visual storytelling. I’m very amused by George and Cogman telling them it’s never okay to deviate.


235 Comments

  1. Tom Sevinstrings
    Posted September 4, 2012 at 5:28 pm | Permalink

    I new Mance was an older fellow. Good job a shutting up the haters GRRM

  2. Celia
    Posted September 4, 2012 at 5:41 pm | Permalink

    Interesting about Talisa definitely not being Jeyne. Very informative post :)

  3. Lex
    Posted September 4, 2012 at 5:44 pm | Permalink

    Nice to hear some confirmation about Talisa, some validation about Mance, and his picks for favourite casting. Also nice to hear that he warmed up to Shae this season (like many of us did).

  4. Wdb617
    Posted September 4, 2012 at 5:45 pm | Permalink

    And…..second.

    Good tidbits!! I like hearing George’s take on some of the changes. Thanks Fury!

  5. scott glennon
    Posted September 4, 2012 at 5:47 pm | Permalink

    I remember Mance mentioning that he knew both Qhorin and Lord Commander Mormont, so I always figured he was old enough to know them. I also think that in the world of Westeros, if you become an old warrior it’s because you’ve been winning. I am going crazy waiting for S3!

  6. Macha
    Posted September 4, 2012 at 5:53 pm | Permalink

    Still listening to the podcast with GRRM, but just wanted to say that I really liked the part where he talks about the challenges of translating Robert’s rebellion on screen, because so far we only have divergent POVs, each of them sharing a different light on the events. It’s definitely something fans suggesting a Robert’s rebellion adaptation (if the series catches up with the novels) should ponder on.

    Also, hearing GRRM stating how much he hates predictability is always reassuring. It gives me hope that most of the really popular theories out there are dead wrong. :-)

  7. Lana
    Posted September 4, 2012 at 6:03 pm | Permalink

    Sooner or later, they will have to deal with Rhaegar and Lyanna and the Mad King.

    You see, kids, dreams DO come true.

  8. The Rabbit
    Posted September 4, 2012 at 6:16 pm | Permalink

    I must admit that I really enjoyed listening to this.

    And some things and “controversis” of second season are bit clearer now.
    Especeally liked his explanation of The House of Undying – armaggedon-gate.
    And I am very proud of myself (lol) that I guessed some reasons to omit the prohephcies from it.
    I had an impression that GRRM is quite realistic and understands the reasons of such a choice.
    Though, I am not sure that he is very happy with omitting the story of the Westerlings (which was due to budget – pretty sure about that bit) and introducing of Talisa…just an impression I got from listening to the podcast.

    All kudos to MoRyan to put it online and for moderating the panel with very clever questions.

    It was pure delight!

  9. Bad Dog
    Posted September 4, 2012 at 6:18 pm | Permalink

    Also, hearing GRRM stating how much he hates predictability is always reassuring. It gives me hope that most of the really popular theories out there are dead wrong. :-)

    Yep, especially those where people are so convinced they’re right that they won’t even tolerate other viewpoints… :D

    It surprises me that anyone would think Mance is young – it seems to me that it’s very obvious from the books he is at least in his 40s.

  10. Joshua Taylor
    Posted September 4, 2012 at 6:22 pm | Permalink

    Glad to see GRRM defend the television series. As someone who worked in tv he knows exactly what they are dealing with. The Vanessa Taylor material is also refreshing. Glad she is on the show. I think the producers realized that with a story this huge the conventional approach to teleplays just isn’t going to cut it. They may have went big in terms of location and effects but they need to go big on terms of the narrative as well. They seem to realize this now. Very pumped for season 3!

    As for Rhaegar, Lyanna, the rebellion an the Mad King. Two words: Barristan Selmy

  11. Tyrion Pimpslap
    Posted September 4, 2012 at 6:36 pm | Permalink

    Joshua Taylor,

    Two other words re:R&L, the Reeds

  12. Claudiu Gherganu
    Posted September 4, 2012 at 6:40 pm | Permalink

    I think those who wanted Mance to be younger are mainly fangirls, who want hot actors cast in the roles , it’s pretty much the same on the other side too with guys wanting all the girls hot ( remember Yara ?) and it again shows George’s fault of writing the characters the way he does ( you can only be either very beautiful or very ugly ) . I can understand though if the case in point was the Red Viper because of his exotic look but Mance never stroke me as a stunning looking man .

  13. axia777
    Posted September 4, 2012 at 6:41 pm | Permalink

    Lana: You see, kids, dreams DO come true.

    SWEEEEEETTTT!!!! Maybe we might even see the Tower of Joy some day in the show. One can dream right?

  14. Ours is the Fury
    Posted September 4, 2012 at 6:46 pm | Permalink

    Claudiu Gherganu,

    It’s not just fangirls, it’s the guys too who kept fancasting Dominic West and James Purefoy.

    Mance is definitely described gray haired and average looking though.

  15. Lana
    Posted September 4, 2012 at 6:54 pm | Permalink

    axia777: One can dream right?

    And I do, every night. Here’s a question for you – whom would you cast as Rhaegar? It seems an impossible task.

  16. Ours is the Fury
    Posted September 4, 2012 at 6:57 pm | Permalink

    Charlie Hunnam wants to be on GoT, he’s said before. He’s blond, 6’1″ and gorgeous. He’d be a good Rhaegar.
    http://shechive.files.wordpress.com/2010/12/eye-candy-charlie-hunnam-8.jpg

  17. Coltaine777
    Posted September 4, 2012 at 7:06 pm | Permalink

    It’s funny how so many are here critiquing the posters who thought Mance was younger than Hinds who was cast ? Lol wasn’t there a post here on WIC about Dominic West being offered the role ? Unless I missed another update it looks like the producers first choice was younger lol ..

  18. Lana
    Posted September 4, 2012 at 7:08 pm | Permalink

    Ours is the Fury,

    I’ve actually seen fan-art of Rhaegar with Charlie used as the model. Whilst I do find him attractive, to my mind, he lacks a certain elegance which I have always associated with Rhaegar. On the other hand, the style of his features IS vaguely reminiscent of those of Emilia, so…who knows?

  19. Mrs. H'ghar
    Posted September 4, 2012 at 7:09 pm | Permalink

    Ours is the Fury:
    Charlie Hunnam wants to be on GoT, he’s said before. He’s blond, 6’1″ and gorgeous. He’d be a good Rhaegar.
    http://shechive.files.wordpress.com/2010/12/eye-candy-charlie-hunnam-8.jpg

    Oh yeah, a woman thinks that would work! Gotta be a drool-worthy guy like that! So enjoying reading and listening to the behind-the-sceenes stuff. LOVE IT!

  20. Coltaine777
    Posted September 4, 2012 at 7:09 pm | Permalink

    Ours is the Fury:
    Charlie Hunnam wants to be on GoT, he’s said before. He’s blond, 6’1″ and gorgeous. He’d be a good Rhaegar.
    http://shechive.files.wordpress.com/2010/12/eye-candy-charlie-hunnam-8.jpg

    He kicks ass on SOA…bring him aboard on the movie version of the rebellion ala X-files !!!! And yes I said movie version..and yes when GOT is still airing !!!

  21. Ours is the Fury
    Posted September 4, 2012 at 7:11 pm | Permalink

    Coltaine777,

    I wouldn’t have minded one bit if they cast Dominic West. A good actor with the right charisma is way more important than appearance (at least in this case). But being disappointed in the cast Mance for being the correct age is a little silly.

  22. The Young Wolf
    Posted September 4, 2012 at 7:15 pm | Permalink

    Seeing the Tower Of Joy on screen would be amazing.

  23. Joshua Taylor
    Posted September 4, 2012 at 7:21 pm | Permalink

    Mrs. H’ghar,

    Heath would have been the ultimate Rhaegar…:-(

    Tom Hiddleston would be great as well.

  24. Joshua Taylor
    Posted September 4, 2012 at 7:22 pm | Permalink

    Tyrion Pimpslap:
    Joshua Taylor,

    Two other words re:R&L, the Reeds

    Touché!

  25. Cary Storm
    Posted September 4, 2012 at 7:25 pm | Permalink

    Ours is the Fury:
    Charlie Hunnam wants to be on GoT, he’s said before. He’s blond, 6’1″ and gorgeous. He’d be a good Rhaegar.
    http://shechive.files.wordpress.com/2010/12/eye-candy-charlie-hunnam-8.jpg

    Oh, please, can we? can we?

  26. Coltaine777
    Posted September 4, 2012 at 7:55 pm | Permalink

    Ours is the Fury:
    Coltaine777,

    I wouldn’t have minded one bit if they cast Dominic West. A good actor with the right charisma is way more important than appearance (at least in this case). But being disappointed in the cast Mance for being the correct age is a little silly.

    I can’t argue with you …at least not this time :) …I think you’re right …..

  27. Claudiu Gherganu
    Posted September 4, 2012 at 8:05 pm | Permalink

    The Young Wolf:
    Seeing the Tower Of Joy on screen would be amazing.

    If they wanted to do it they would have done it in season 1 . There is no point now that Ned is dead and god knows whether Howland Reed will ever appear in the series . And besides George already explained in the interview the difficulties of filming the backstory in the tv series . I think like others said it we will find out the backstory either through Ser Barristan or the Reeds or both .

  28. darquemode
    Posted September 4, 2012 at 8:20 pm | Permalink

    Ours is the Fury,

    That would be interesting indeed!

    I see him more as Devan Lannister I guess, but maybe a role like Rhaegar would be filmable in a shorter period of time since it would all be flashback footage….

  29. Winter Is Coming
    Posted September 4, 2012 at 8:38 pm | Permalink

    Bryan Cogman is the man. I really hope he gets to write more than one episode per season in future years.

    I’m not sure what to make of Vanessa Taylor’s quote. While I certainly enjoy the show when it revels in its epic and cinematographic moments, I think the show would do well to balance those with the quiet moments of character development and, yes, witty dialogue. I’m worried David & Dan have seen the positive reactions to Baelor and Blackwater and are heading down the path of just making the show all about building up to and then showing those huge, shocking events and are going to be lessening the focus on those small, character moments. Hopefully I’m wrong!

  30. Pastor_of_Muppets
    Posted September 4, 2012 at 8:48 pm | Permalink

    Winter Is Coming,

    I think Vanessa Taylor was actually trying to imply that the show has taken a more visual approach to their story-telling. “Cinematic” doesn’t have to be an epic vista or a battle – Breaking Bad is one of the most visually astounding, cinematoc shows ever made, and it doesn’t really utilize those kinds of shots. I think Vanessa Taylor is referring more to how they’re begin to utilize imagines through lighting, composition, framing, editing, etc. to convey information or establish a mood with the audience, rather than “witty dialogue” (which I’m sure there will still be plenty of).

    They know that small character moments are arguably what this show does best, and considering the source material, I don’t think there’ll be any shortage of these types of scenes in the third season.

  31. Pastor_of_Muppets
    Posted September 4, 2012 at 8:53 pm | Permalink

    Claudiu Gherganu,

    Not necessarily true. I’d imagine that D&D are saving a fair bit of the prophecies and flashbacks for later on in the series. With the scant material George has written for Bran, and considering the nature of Bran’s journey, I’d be willing to guess that a lot of this stuff will be shown through Bran and the Reed siblings. That provides a reasonable explanation for why the audience is ‘seeing’ a flashback, and it gives Bran and Co. more to do going forward with the series.

  32. darquemode
    Posted September 4, 2012 at 8:55 pm | Permalink

    Winter Is Coming:
    I think the show would do well to balance those with the quiet moments of character development and, yes, witty dialogue. I’m worried David & Dan have seen the positive reactions to Baelor and Blackwater and are heading down the path of just making the show all about building up to and then showing those huge, shocking events and are going to be lessening the focus on those small, character moments. Hopefully I’m wrong!

    Agreed.
    I also am a bit worried after her comments.. To me the best parts of the books are the detailed histories and how they relate to to present, the foreshadowing and prophecy, and the character moments laced throughout the books. For obvious reasons the historical exposition will be limited and the prophecy has yet to be explored on the TV series.

    Because of that I find myself centering on the character moments when I watch. I want more of them not less. I would say 75% of my favorite moments in the two seasons have been made up of witty dialog and small, quiet character moments.

    I doubt that as fans of the books D&D would move away from the smaller moments and the witty dialog…. at least I hope not!
    I love the visuals and the epic visual scope of Game of Thrones, but I think that GRRM’s work is about hte details and small things as much or more than the big cinematic moments. Hopefully Vanessa misspoke….. sigh.

  33. gisizzlah
    Posted September 4, 2012 at 9:01 pm | Permalink

    Winter Is Coming,

    I understand yor concerns, while I somewhat agree, I think ASOS generally had more fast-paced feel than ACOK, which had those quieter moments that you speak of. So I guess that’s the rational…

    But I agree those quieter moments really win….

  34. Ours is the Fury
    Posted September 4, 2012 at 9:14 pm | Permalink

    I think it’s too soon to worry about a few comments without actually seeing any clips or a script. The first season was much more visual, I think, so I’m not worried about S3 being more visual than S2. S2 was very dark and closed in, in a lot of ways. I take everything the people with the show say with a grain of salt- interviews are usually mostly chatty bull, anyway.

  35. darquemode
    Posted September 4, 2012 at 9:29 pm | Permalink

    Lex,

    Talisa always struck me as very unlike Jeyne Westerling. Not just in personality, but in background story. I took her as more like Nymeria Sand. She fits the descriptions of Nymeria quite well and we know from later books that Doran has the Sand Snakes all over the realms as spies or envoys. I have wondered a few times if D&D have removed the Westerling involvement in the Red Wedding and instead brought Dorne in early in an unexpected way. Although I do not see the benefit of doing that honestly and I cannot see Doran Martell’s motivation to sabotage Robb compared to the Westerling’s motivation to do so.

    Talisa compared to Nymeria Sand from the books:
    -Daugher of a Volantine noble woman,
    - Mid-20s aged up in the TV series to early 30s.
    -Long black hair worn in a single braid down her back.
    -Dark eyes, high cheekbones, full lips and pale skin.
    -Skilled with daggers (enough to operate and amputate).

  36. Dreamlife
    Posted September 4, 2012 at 9:36 pm | Permalink

    Wow. Charlie Hunnam would be great on Game of Thrones. I don’t really like SOA, but from what I’ve seen, Hunnam is the best part of that series. I sometimes forget the actor is British.

  37. Claudiu Gherganu
    Posted September 4, 2012 at 9:45 pm | Permalink

    Dreamlife:
    Wow.Charlie Hunnam would be great on Game of Thrones.I don’t really like SOA, but from what I’ve seen, Hunnam is the best part of that series. I sometimes forget the actor is British.

    Come on , no love for Ron Pearlman at all ?

  38. boyo
    Posted September 4, 2012 at 9:50 pm | Permalink

    I found it interesting that he says they filmed flashback scenes with the Mad King and didn’t use them.

  39. darquemode
    Posted September 4, 2012 at 9:53 pm | Permalink

    Dreamlife,

    I forget Hunnam is from England too… much like I forget that Dayton Callie (Unser) is from Scotland! I would just love to see Charlie Hunnam, Dayton Callie,and Tommy Flanagan (Chibs) on Thrones!

    Hmmm….
    Charlie Hunnam as Devan Lannister or Rhaegar Targaryen.
    Dayton Callie as Denys Mallister.
    Tommy Flanagan …. I can’t see him as any specific character at first thought…. Meh…Connington maybe?

    Claudiu Gherganu,
    I know he’s American, but Ron Perlman would make a good Areo Hotah! XD

  40. Joshua Taylor
    Posted September 4, 2012 at 9:58 pm | Permalink

    Pastor_of_Muppets,

    I agree sir, that’s how I interpreted Taylor’s response. And good that you mentioned Breaking Bad because D & D did hire Michelle McClaren for season 3.

  41. Joshua Taylor
    Posted September 4, 2012 at 10:02 pm | Permalink

    darquemode,

    Kind off topic but I have noticed a strong track record regarding Tom Wilkinson and HBO…I can see him easily cast as Mace Tyrell in season 4. Or as a white Doran Martell. Or Randyll Tarly?

  42. princess val
    Posted September 4, 2012 at 10:13 pm | Permalink

    I look at Charlie Hunnam and I think “Jaime Lannister.” He was Jaime in my head before we had Our Jaime (who I love and is flawless). But I could totally see him as Rhaegar! A shave and a platinum wig would enhance his prettiness and downplay his ruggedness…perfect for the Silver Prince!

  43. Watson
    Posted September 4, 2012 at 10:15 pm | Permalink

    Ours is the Fury,
    I agree. Taylor’s comment is probably just a result of one or two revisions that D&D made of her scripts. It’s hard to say things about a show when you’re not really allowed to say anything about the show.

    That said, a number of characters, like Jon, Sam and Bran have experiences in ASOS that are really defined by the places they go. It’s easy to imagine scenes with these characters wherein dialogue would seem superfluous. *cough, climbing the wall, cough* Game of Thrones has so many tools at its disposal, ie fantastic actors, directors, sets, visual effects etc. that most shows can’t rely on. It’s natural that there might be changes in writing style as the writers get used to trusting things to other aspects of the production.

  44. WompWomp
    Posted September 4, 2012 at 10:17 pm | Permalink

    Amped-up cinematic openings? Letting the visuals tell the story? AWESOME!

    It sounds like S3 of GoT will be embracing the medium of film in a bigger way! One of the strongest qualities of S2 was the flow of the storytelling. It’s a cinematically stronger season (even without Blackwater spectacle), which really helped its watchability. Hearing this gives me even higher hopes for S3 than I anticipated. I liked how S2 became its own beast as it progressed. It was the television series coming into its own a little more. I look forward to the progression!

    So Talisa could be a wholesale Jeyne replacement? Interesting, interesting. It’s not like we really like the Westerlings anyway.

  45. WompWomp
    Posted September 4, 2012 at 10:28 pm | Permalink

    Pastor_of_Muppets:
    Winter Is Coming,
    “Cinematic” doesn’t have to be an epic vista or a battle – Breaking Bad is one of the most visually astounding, cinematoc shows ever made, and it doesn’t really utilize those kinds of shots. I think Vanessa Taylor is referring more to how they’re begin to utilize imagines through lighting, composition, framing, editing, etc. to convey information or establish a mood with the audience, rather than “witty dialogue” (which I’m sure there will still be plenty of).

    This is precisely why I’m going berserk over the “cinematic” bullet point. Breaking Bad has plenty of character drama, but the creators know how to let the camera tell a story too. Why settle for a blow-by-blow adaptation of ASOIAF when you can have an experience of the material that goes beyond the text? You’d just get talking heads reciting a story you already love, which is only half the game. I’d be totally weirded out if GoT had its own “Fly” episode, though. Only something like that could be considered taking it too far. [laughs]

    A more consciously cinematic approach could bring the beautiful world of GoT to the fore more often and set the stage emotionally for viewers. That’s something books do quite easily thanks to the aid of a reader’s imagination. S2 brought a slew of stunning vistas and mood-setting details like the various mounted bannerman with their snapping standards. More of that just sounds all kinds of terrific.

  46. JP Dayne
    Posted September 4, 2012 at 10:34 pm | Permalink

    I’m all for reasonable changes.

    I mean I can understand the change with Shae. I don’t see much of a problem there, even tho it changes tyrion, he’s not half that soft.

    But what was the reasoning behind cutting jeyne westerling and introducing a freaking random inexistent character from the books?

  47. Omar Brown
    Posted September 4, 2012 at 10:45 pm | Permalink

    That was awesome podcast, so insightful and fun!

  48. Sinslash
    Posted September 4, 2012 at 10:50 pm | Permalink

    Not sure if I particularly liked the Talisa change, but changing Jeyne to Talisa makes sense budget-wise I guess since Jeyne comes with a family while Talisa is just by herself (I suppose).

  49. The Dragon Demands
    Posted September 4, 2012 at 10:57 pm | Permalink

    Madness. Talisa is madness.

    Think for a moment: the name change or slightly altered backstory isn’t a problem at all.

    The problem is that they changed Robb’s interaction with Talisa so much that the book author decided that she was, on a functional level, not the same character anymore. They changed her top much.

    So don’t myopically think “oh, fans complaining about a name change”.

    It isn’t that. Martin has directly stated that the name change is an acknowledgement of drastic changes made to a character.

    Particularly, that Robb’s decision to marry her is a strategic-level disaster for the war, alienates the Freys who were badly needed allies, and was a selfish act to “preserve his honor”.

    The TV show….Benioff & Weiss directly stated that they saw it as a *causal* relationship, that he marries her because he…..is angry that Catelyn isn’t keeping his word, so much should she? That doesn’t make sense.

    The third season HAS to, HAS to begin with Brynden Tully slapping Robb across the face, calling him “boy” and “stupid boy”, and succinctly pointing out that Robb has put the lives of all his soldiers in jeopardy for no good reason.

  50. House Snow
    Posted September 4, 2012 at 11:03 pm | Permalink

    JP Dayne,

    The Westerling story as occurs in the book is pretty complicated and not that easily amenable to condensing, basically adding a whole new family that otherwise does one important thing and nothing else, so I think they just wanted to cut it out, and Taylor pretty much says so. Not to say what they did do was great but I think the thought process behind changing it is pretty sound.

  51. House Snow
    Posted September 4, 2012 at 11:06 pm | Permalink

    The Dragon Demands,

    This has to rank as the most annoying purist argument about the show, that somehow not adhering to the whole thing being about honor rather then love, for a character we barely see in the book, ruining the show is beyond dumb.

  52. novichaso
    Posted September 4, 2012 at 11:29 pm | Permalink

    how could mance rayder be a young guy? it wouldnt make any sense… i always imagined him like the halfhand…

  53. darquemode
    Posted September 4, 2012 at 11:29 pm | Permalink

    Joshua Taylor,

    I love Wilkinson too.
    I think he could be a good in most any role because he is such a brilliant actor. He does not exude career soldier to me like when I think of Randyll Tarly … I think he would bring a lot of fun to Mace Tyrell, even if I always pictured Mace Tyrell as heavier.

    The first roles that come to my mind for Wlikinson are The Kindly Man and maybe Haldon Halfmaester. I would pay to see scenes between Maissie Williams and Wilkinson as The Kindly Man!

  54. Zack
    Posted September 4, 2012 at 11:35 pm | Permalink

    Joshua Taylor,

    I’m totally on board with her comments, though I’m reading more into them than I know I ought. Anytime people take heed of the lesson “Show, don’t tell.” it always leads to improvement. One of the things that has kept me at arm’s length much of the time with this adaptation has been exactly that. It can often feel as though it’s just moving from one conversation to the next, to a battle, and then a sex scene and another conversation, when what kept me engrossed in the books was all of that…in addition to the moments where we could breathe, of descriptions of the actual world, making it seem a real place. I know they’re stretched for time but a lot can be accomplished with no dialogue whatsoever.

    darquemode: I would pay to see scenes between Maissie Williams and Wilkinson as The Kindly Man!

    Haha! I love this idea. I don’t think he’s let me down in a performance yet. Always catches the attention and improves his scenes.

  55. darquemode
    Posted September 4, 2012 at 11:39 pm | Permalink

    House Snow,

    I happen agree with Dragon Demands and think Robb needed to be slapped after what he did. I thought it when I read the books (even though it made much more sense in the books) and I thought it when I watched him alienate the Freys on screen too.

    In the series it was more obviously a terrible choice and even more obviously going to be a fatal blow to his reign as King in the North.

    The Talisa change may yet pay off if there is more to it that will transpire in Season 3 or 4. I wouldn’t call it complete madness yet, but if the new back story for Talisa does not come into play and D&D changed it for no reason other than to have more romance for Robb I will look back on it as complete madness indeed.

  56. darquemode
    Posted September 4, 2012 at 11:46 pm | Permalink

    Zack,

    I’m still nto sure I agree with what Vanessa said, but I agree with your take on it! XD

    I would love some more time to breathe. For them to slow the plot down so that it does not feel like it is just one disjointed scene after the next. My biggest complaint about the show is that it does not allow the time needed to really connect to the story or the characters like the book does. I know that it could never be as slow paced or exposition filled as the books, and I do not expect it to be, but I think the 10-episode per book pace has really wreaked havoc the level of intamcy on the series compared to the book.

    IF they can find a way to let the story breath with these cinematic moments and not lose the witty dialog and and story telling it would add some of that level of intimacy. It would be an improvement over the last season for sure.

  57. Marcus beyond the Wall
    Posted September 4, 2012 at 11:51 pm | Permalink

    I know this thread is based on the show but has anyone in media world had the guts to ask George about the status of book 6 lately? I’ve been listening to that great song Write Like The Wind that you can find on YouTube. It’s so friggin funny, but it’s true. Each book is crack for the nerds. Lewis took 5 years for Narnia, 12 for Tolkien, amd Rawlings took 10. and as the song goes , William shakespeare wrote 35 friggin plays in the time George has written 5 books. Then they add that Lucas had 30 years for Star Wars and we all know how that ended up If you haven’t heard the song look for it on YouTube under Write Like the Wind. The music video clip is only 3 minutes long and is so very funny. And so I am dying for book 6 to rear its head soon!!

  58. Selmy
    Posted September 4, 2012 at 11:55 pm | Permalink

    I did notice a lack of background and history in season 2. Put aside Tywin’s conversation of Harrenhall with Arya…maybe a Master Lewin conversation. But I do think that there will be more of it in seasons 3&4, since they have 20 episode to tell ASOS, which is full of infos :D

    *I just learned today a theory about Daenerys being Azor Ahai. She was born amidst salt (tears) and smoke at the funeral of Drogo when she woke he dragons from stone. It is written in prophecy as well. When the red star bleeds and the darkness gathers, Azor Ahai shall be born again amidst smoke and salt to wake dragons out of stone. – Melisandre I hadn’t thought about that one, and it has some ring to it :P

  59. mags giantsbabe
    Posted September 5, 2012 at 12:08 am | Permalink

    I’m a female fan and have always pictured Mance as older and slightly average looking and someone “who loves the sound of his own voice”. So I thought that they would need an olderish actor who is not gorgeous looking but rather more charismatic. Ciaran Hinds will give the important impression that Mance was not originally a Wildling, he has the Westeros look. He’s one of them, but sort of different looking from them. There will also be hair, make up and costume to utilize.

    The Talisa change makes sense in more than one level although I get that there was less attention paid to Robb as a strategiser.

    The more cinematic feel sounds awesome. It would benefit some scenes from book 3 as a visual aspect (camera movement, atmosphere) can be better employed and are more interesting and practical in terms of telling the story, instead of exposition (showing, not telling). It will then take less time to introduce new characters, for instance. Say, you see Ramsey for the first time and imagine it’s when Theon wakes up and they are in the Dreadfort, but at first his face is covered in shadow. You can’t see him at first, neither can Theon, so the introduction of the character feels slightly ominous through visual employment of the shot.

    Another thing I keep thinking of is how to convey Jon’s private feelings when staying with the Wildlings. In the book we had the advantage of his POV, in the show we will have to rely on subtle facial expressions (which I believe Kit will be able to pull off) to remind us his still a man of the Night’s Watch, or his conflict, especially at moments when he will be reacting to say, something that the Wildling say and so on. At least then they don’t have to do the whole Jon standing in front of the camera alone, talking out loud by himself :D

  60. Gatehouse Ami
    Posted September 5, 2012 at 12:39 am | Permalink

    darquemode,

    No one listened to me either. Or maybe you did ;) :

    Gatehouse Ami
    Posted July 3, 2012 at 9:19 pm | Permalink
    Hi, been lurking… .
    Maybe we’ve already met a Martell?
    I want to believe Lady Talisa is more character than we thought… an embedded Sand Snake? Mother is a noblewoman of Volantis, she has a long dark braid with widow’s peak, gives good knife and last we know in DwD, she’s off to the capitol. Please, maybe… Lady Nym, make Talisa make sense!

  61. darquemode
    Posted September 5, 2012 at 12:47 am | Permalink

    Gatehouse Ami,

    I’m not sure whether or not I read youy comment about that theory, but I definitely agree with it! XD

    It was the first thing I thought of when Talisa mentioned where she was from…. I then dismissed the idea since the character was named supposedly named “Jeyne” according to Oona Chaplin’s CV and all reports at the time (her CV has since been changed to show her role as Talisa). I assumed it was an alias she was using for one reason or another. I kept going back to the idea though the more Talisa was on screen…. Still not sure why D&D would make Jeyne a Sand Snake, but I do wonder if Talisa is Nymeria. from the books and D&D wanted to use a different name since they had already used Nymeria once before for Arya’s Dire Wolf…

  62. Gatehouse Ami
    Posted September 5, 2012 at 12:54 am | Permalink

    darquemode,

    Very like! Just never trusted that lady from the get go (on screen, anyway)…

  63. Lord Of Lite
    Posted September 5, 2012 at 12:56 am | Permalink

    As Lex stated, I’ve always hoped for a Dornish reveal in Talisa’s story. It makes sense to me to bring in the Dornes through her. Someone stated that they read GRRM’s comments on Talisa as being unhappy with her storyline. I think they are misreading his reactions to the subject. He’s keeping it real close to the vest to not spoil the surprise. Remember, he said himself that he actually came up with the name. I think he wishes that he had used this plotline in his books himself. It’s probably his own revisionist idea.

  64. spacechampion
    Posted September 5, 2012 at 1:05 am | Permalink

    mags giantsbabe:
    I’m a female fan and have always pictured Mance as older and slightly average looking and someone “who loves the sound of his own voice”. So I thought that they would need an olderish actor who is not gorgeous looking but rather more charismatic. Ciaran Hinds will give the important impression that Mance was not originally a Wildling, he has the Westeros look. He’s one of them, but sort of different looking from them. There will also be hair, make up and costume to utilize.

    Actually, Mance is the son of wildlings, taken after a raid on a wildling village by the Night’s Watch. I think the Rayder name might have been given to him to reflect that.

  65. B Cogman
    Posted September 5, 2012 at 1:10 am | Permalink

    I think my friend Vanessa was making a little joke. I can think of dozens of scenes/sequences I pitched, developed or wrote that deviated from the books quite a bit.

    B

  66. Lex
    Posted September 5, 2012 at 1:26 am | Permalink

    Lord Of Lite:
    As Lex stated, I’ve always hoped for a Dornish reveal in Talisa’s story.It makes sense to me to bring in the Dornes through her.Someone stated that they read GRRM’s comments on Talisa as being unhappy with her storyline.I think they are misreading his reactions to the subject.He’s keeping it real close to the vest to not spoil the surprise.Remember, he said himself that he actually came up with the name.I think he wishes that he had used this plotline in his books himself.It’s probably his own revisionist idea.

    That wasn’t me. I think making Talisa from Dorne would be a terrible idea.

  67. Lex
    Posted September 5, 2012 at 1:28 am | Permalink

    Ours is the Fury:
    I think it’s too soon to worry about a few comments without actually seeing any clips or a script. The first season was much more visual, I think, so I’m not worried about S3 being more visual than S2. S2 was very dark and closed in, in a lot of ways. I take everything the people with the show say with a grain of salt- interviews are usually mostly chatty bull, anyway.

    Really? I think Season 2 was way more visual than Season 1, in every way. Better production, better cinematography, better locations, better visual effects, better costumes, etc.

    Season 1 was largely made up of long, slow, dialogue-heavy scenes. To me, the trend seems to be heading in a more visual direction every season.

  68. Lord Of Lite
    Posted September 5, 2012 at 1:28 am | Permalink

    I’m actually hoping that Talisa will be heading north after the RW to hook up with Ramsay and meet Theon. More present day salt in the wounds of the Dornish princes.

  69. Selmy
    Posted September 5, 2012 at 1:33 am | Permalink

    Just listened to the podcast, very interesting piece of information, from book 3/season 4:

    George said it himself: Shae will not be killed, even if she’s the perfect whore :) I know some people who had some doubts.

  70. Mrs. H'ghar
    Posted September 5, 2012 at 1:40 am | Permalink

    B Cogman:
    I think my friend Vanessa was making a little joke. I can think of dozens of scenes/sequences I pitched, developed or wrote that deviated from the books quite a bit.

    B

    A woman must ask you…are you up early or late?

  71. Lin Beifunk
    Posted September 5, 2012 at 1:44 am | Permalink

    Selmy:
    Just listened to the podcast, very interesting piece of information, from book 3/season 4:

    George said it himself: Shae will not be killed, even if she’s the perfect whore :) I know some people who had some doubts.

    Whoa, what? If I’m reading this right, this seems like a gigantic change.

  72. B Cogman
    Posted September 5, 2012 at 1:44 am | Permalink

    That would be early. Shooting in an hour. And a man has a one year old.

    B

  73. Lord Of Lite
    Posted September 5, 2012 at 1:45 am | Permalink

    I wonder if they have been grooming Ros from the very beginning to take Shae’s place in the bed of the Hand to keep Tyrion’s character from being too edgy for the hero?

  74. Hi-Fi
    Posted September 5, 2012 at 2:21 am | Permalink

    Re: Shae & Ros

    I didn’t listen to the podcast, so I don’t know if the Shae thing is clear, but… Even if Shae isn’t killed by Tyrion, she still has to die. Hanged by Tywin?

    I still think Ros should play the role of Jeyne Poole. I dunno, I guess I just want to see Theon’s face when he sees the bride of Ramsay. I don’t really care if she’s too old, to be honest. Ros was the only woman Theon expressed any warm feelings towards, so I think it’d be cool.

  75. Sinslash
    Posted September 5, 2012 at 3:26 am | Permalink

    darquemode:
    if the new back story for Talisa does not come into play and D&D changed it for no reason

    for no reason? i assume they changed it for the sensible reason that if they choose jeyne then they’d have to cast the westerlings. which means more actors, which requires more money.

  76. Joshua Taylor
    Posted September 5, 2012 at 4:26 am | Permalink

    Ohho my Ros replacing Shae theory may be right after all. Shae will not be happy about the Tyrion/Sansa nuptials and will either die/sent away following Joffrey’s death on Tywin’s orders. Tywin will use Ros as she is spying for Varys now (not to mention her history with Tyrion) to perjure herself against Tyrion and Ros will die in Tywin’s bed… or not. Shae being sent away will make the “where whores go” line have more impact to the Unsullied than the Tysha anecdote from season 1. It works.

  77. mags giantsbabe
    Posted September 5, 2012 at 4:48 am | Permalink

    Spacechampion, shit, I forgot about that little background detail completely. Thanks, looks like I need to go read the books again.

    And if Martin deems Lyanna/ Rhaegar important enough to be in the series, I wonder if it means what I think it means, apart from showing Roberts rebellion :)

  78. Aegon the Conqueror
    Posted September 5, 2012 at 5:53 am | Permalink

    AH! So relieved to hear about Rhaegar and Lyanna, if they weren’t included somewhere I would go apeshit! Still really hoping for a tv series adaptation of Robert’s Rebellion!

  79. Tír Airgid
    Posted September 5, 2012 at 6:04 am | Permalink

    Wow, what a brilliant interview with GRRM. Made my morning.

    Particularly interesting his reply about Talisa. I hear you. *wink*

  80. Carne
    Posted September 5, 2012 at 6:34 am | Permalink

    B Cogman,

    I’m happy to see you still browse this site :)

  81. oracle86
    Posted September 5, 2012 at 6:48 am | Permalink

    I think one of the reasons we all wanted Jeyne and not Talisa is that R.W becomes even more poignant when we realise that the Young Wolf was betrayed by his wife’s family. I guess they just wanted to avoid the Westerlings altogether and pin the blame entirely on the Freys and Roose, but nevertheless utilising the Westerlings would have emphasised how painstakingly Tywin spun his web for Robb.

  82. Claudiu Gherganu
    Posted September 5, 2012 at 7:10 am | Permalink

    Selmy:
    Just listened to the podcast, very interesting piece of information, from book 3/season 4:

    George said it himself: Shae will not be killed, even if she’s the perfect whore :) I know some people who had some doubts.

    And you figured this out, how ?

  83. Ours is the Fury
    Posted September 5, 2012 at 7:27 am | Permalink

    Selmy,
    That’s definitely not what GRRM said in the podcast. Not sure why you got that idea.

  84. Dreamlife
    Posted September 5, 2012 at 7:28 am | Permalink

    Claudiu Gherganu: Come on , no love for Ron Pearlman at all ?

    Sorry, no. I just don’t think Ron Pearlman is a good actor. He always sounds like he’s unsure of his lines. He might make a good Giant and/or wildling.

    As for the actor who plays Chibbs, while I wouldn’t mind seeing him in Thones, I rarely understand a word of what comes out his mouth in SOA. If he could somehow become more understandable, he could be a Skagos native, haha.

  85. Macha
    Posted September 5, 2012 at 7:39 am | Permalink

    Joshua Taylor,

    You know, your theory makes sense in a way, but – no offense intended – I hope you’re wrong. I’m the farthest thing from a book purist, but no no no no. :-)

    It’s a little strange, and I might need to listen to that podcast again, but it didn’t seem to me that GRRM hinted at keeping Shae alive in the show or having another character take her place, far from it actually.

  86. tysnow
    Posted September 5, 2012 at 7:51 am | Permalink

    Shae is a Sand Snake, or flees across the sea, it would make for a far cooler reunion with Tyrion, especially if she takes the place of a certain little woman.
    The union of short actors wouldn’t be happy with the later scenario.

  87. Watson
    Posted September 5, 2012 at 8:24 am | Permalink

    I can see upsides to swapping in Ros for Shea. Certainly having Tyrion desperately long after Shea will make for better television than suddenly longing after a character we’ve never seen. But I don’t think the show needs to shy away from Tyrion’s dark phase. In fact, the internal monologue he gives at the end of ADWD (in which he goes full on Ayn Rand and declares that people who submit to slavery are too weak to kill themselves) doesn’t indicate to me that he’s returned to his former self, only that he has once again taken hold of his own life. His motivations from there on out are far from clear and may be very dark indeed. I hope that in the show this moment can be verbalized and appear in the same episode as Genna telling Jaime that Tyrion is the the true successor of Tywin.

    And swapping Shea in for Penny would not work at all. The whole point of Penny’s character as I see it is that she accepts servility, which the show’s version of Shea most certainly does not. If they do spare Shea, she should be given whatever role, if any, that Tysha is going to play in the books.

  88. axia777
    Posted September 5, 2012 at 8:46 am | Permalink

    Lana: And I do, every night. Here’s a question for you – whom would you cast as Rhaegar? It seems an impossible task.

    If I could pick anyone? Alexander Skarsgård from True Blood. Yep, that would do the trick.

  89. queenofthorns
    Posted September 5, 2012 at 8:47 am | Permalink

    Selmy:
    Just listened to the podcast, very interesting piece of information, from book 3/season 4:
    George said it himself: Shae will not be killed, even if she’s the perfect whore :) I know some people who had some doubts.

    I assume that was a typo and you meant to say Shae will be killed, even if she’s the perfect whore.

    The way you had it written doesn’t really make sense.

  90. axia777
    Posted September 5, 2012 at 8:53 am | Permalink

    Tyrion Pimpslap:
    Joshua Taylor,

    Two other words re:R&L, the Reeds

    The Reeds = Tower of Joy story. That makes sense.

  91. The Dragon Demands
    Posted September 5, 2012 at 8:58 am | Permalink

    House Snow:
    The Dragon Demands,

    This has to rank as the most annoying purist argument about the show, that somehow not adhering to the whole thing being about honor rather then love, for a character we barely see in the book,ruining the show is beyond dumb.

    ….yikes. Don’t automatically assume “purism”. “Beyond dumb”? A point in the books is that every character is flawed to a degree. Robb’s strict adherence to his honor is what consistently ruins him. Incidentally yeah he does love Jeyne,…..but the TV version makes it less Robb’s “fault” which it should be.

  92. Aegon the Conqueror
    Posted September 5, 2012 at 9:11 am | Permalink

    The Dragon Demands:
    Madness.Talisa is madness.

    Think for a moment:the name change or slightly altered backstory isn’t a problem at all.

    The problem is that they changed Robb’s interaction with Talisa so much that the book author decided that she was, on a functional level, not the same character anymore.They changed her top much.

    So don’t myopically think “oh, fans complaining about a name change”.

    It isn’t that.Martin has directly stated that the name change is an acknowledgement of drastic changes made to a character.

    Particularly, that Robb’s decision to marry her is a strategic-level disaster for the war, alienates the Freys who were badly needed allies, and was a selfish act to “preserve his honor”.

    The TV show….Benioff & Weiss directly stated that they saw it as a *causal* relationship, that he marries her because he…..is angry that Catelyn isn’t keeping his word, so much should she?That doesn’t make sense.

    The third season HAS to, HAS to begin with Brynden Tully slapping Robb across the face, calling him “boy” and “stupid boy”, and succinctly pointing out that Robb has put the lives of all his soldiers in jeopardy for no good reason.

    THIS!!

    Agree with this so much it’s incredible!
    It also entirely removes the brilliant trap Tywin laid for him. And the fact that the war was lost by RObb’s honour and Edmure’s fuck up at Riverrun. Both have been removed.
    Book Robb might be a teenager, but series RObb acted like one.

  93. Brian
    Posted September 5, 2012 at 9:15 am | Permalink

    I suspect we’ll get a healthy dose of Mad King info through Jaime’s story this season. And later through a man with a white beard. Not sure how they’re doing that still.

    I think one of the largest challenges for Season 3 however, will be making Jon charismatic.

  94. Watson
    Posted September 5, 2012 at 9:25 am | Permalink

    I’ve seen it debated, but I’ve never seen any textual evidence for the notion that Tywin was in communication with the Westerlings before Robb’s night of misadventure in the Crag.

    I don’t think it was a trap laid, it was merely a mistake exploited.

  95. Al Swearengen
    Posted September 5, 2012 at 10:13 am | Permalink

    I am really curious to see how Arya’s story arc plays out, it’s kinda went a bit trippy in the lately.

    I just hope George lets her find Nymeria in TWOW.

  96. Joshua Taylor
    Posted September 5, 2012 at 10:33 am | Permalink

    Watson,

    As long as he does a scene with Rose he should be good. To be honest I really haven’t been bothered by him yet, he’s naive but their building his character. The hate people have for Harington seems as if he’s Hayden Christensen.

    Whatever. Perception of acting quality is incredibly subjective anyway.

  97. Claudiu Gherganu
    Posted September 5, 2012 at 11:11 am | Permalink

    I find it odd how some poeple say that Kit Harrington can’t act or how he’s not as good as the others . Well i don’t see how that’s his fault considering Jon is one of the most dullest characters in the book, sure he has his moments but overall i feel like it’s the other characters that he interacts that are more interesting than him , so Kit has only so much he can work with . Now granted the writers are at fault too with the way they did his arc in season 2 but again that’s not the actor’s fault .

  98. Lana
    Posted September 5, 2012 at 11:13 am | Permalink

    axia777,

    I love Alexander Skarsgard, and I know many a woman (and a fair deal of men) who would second the motion.

  99. darquemode
    Posted September 5, 2012 at 11:17 am | Permalink

    Joshua Taylor,

    I have not seen Harington in anything else honestly, but his Jon is very flat to me. I did not read the character that way at all. I think he is the weakest of the Stark kids by far… however, like you said that is all subjective. I won’t judge his ability or career by one of his first film performances.

    However don’t agree about Christensen, he has been very good in a couple of roles I have seen. He was great in Life as a House with Kevin Kline and as the lead in the bio-pic about the reproter that faked his stories… um… Shattered Glass!

  100. Lana
    Posted September 5, 2012 at 11:24 am | Permalink

    axia777,

    My version of Rhaegar, by the way, would look something like this http://alexanderpettyfer.com/images/alex_p1.gif

  101. Varamyr Fourskins
    Posted September 5, 2012 at 11:28 am | Permalink

    As for “gardener vs. architect”, I’d call GRRM a landscape architect (a gardener/architect hybrid). If he was a pure gardener, he wouldn’t know how the story was going to end until he wrote it. So, he is working toward something, even if he doesn’t know exactly how’s he going to get there.

    The problem with “gardener”, in my opinion, is deus ex machina. Gardeners tend to write themselves into corners, from which they cannot extricate themselves without cooking up some kind of cheap contrivance that abruptly resolves the seemingly unresolvable situation.

    I suppose the Meereenese Knot is evidence GRRM is at least doing some gardening. But I think he has enough planned out to avoid grasping at straws.

  102. Anne
    Posted September 5, 2012 at 11:33 am | Permalink

    OT but I see Jerome Flynn is in a new British series called ‘Ripper Street’ with a Fall start.

  103. Aegon the Conqueror
    Posted September 5, 2012 at 11:34 am | Permalink

    Joshua Taylor,

    I don’t think it’s hate for Kit, it’s hate for the changes the story line made to his character.

  104. Lyonel the Red
    Posted September 5, 2012 at 11:37 am | Permalink

    Correct me if I am wrong but I gather George is not happy with the HotU. Of course he was really diplomatic, but still It’s good to hear that he does in fact express his thoughts about Rhaegar, Lyanna and the Mad King and their involvement in the show so far.

    I am not sure if the news of a more “visual” and less about “clever dialogues” series is something we could consider a great change. Maybe it is for non-readers, but I think the clever, and many times even philosophic dialogues were a true value of the show.

    It was great to have the Blackwater as it was, and it would be great to have a really visual RW and Battle of the Wall but as for the rest the should not force it.

  105. Varamyr Fourskins
    Posted September 5, 2012 at 11:38 am | Permalink

    Lana,

    I kind of thought the guy from Sons of Anarchy would make a good Rhaegar, but I suppose Skarsgard looks more like Harry Lloyd than he does. And, since he already works for HBO, I’d imagine he’d have an edge, unless the GoT & True Blood filming schedules overlap.

  106. darquemode
    Posted September 5, 2012 at 11:52 am | Permalink

    Varamyr Fourskins,

    I was watching 13 Steps Down the other day and thought that Luke Treadaway and by deafult his twin Harry Treadaway look a lot like Harry Lloyd. They may be too young to play Rhaegar though… maybe too old to play Aegon too?

    Oh well…. off to watch Episode 1 of World Without end.

  107. darquemode
    Posted September 5, 2012 at 11:58 am | Permalink

    Anne,

    I’m looking forward to that since I’m a Mathew Macfadyen fan too.

    I haven’t seen a start date yet…. I wish they would set an official premiere date!

  108. Lana
    Posted September 5, 2012 at 12:15 pm | Permalink

    Varamyr Fourskins,

    If we could take Alexander Skarsgard’s voice and (a slightly younger) Charlie Hummam’s face, the marriage should make for a good Rhaegar. Given the impossibility of this, I would say that with brilliant hair and makeup, and an even more brilliant dialect coach, either one of them could work. Though casting an unknown actor (and keeping his identity completely secret) might be the better strategy, don’t you think?

  109. Joshua Taylor
    Posted September 5, 2012 at 12:27 pm | Permalink

    darquemode,

    He was good in shattered glass yes but his Anakin was inexcusable. And yes, GL is to blame as well.

  110. Joshua Taylor
    Posted September 5, 2012 at 12:29 pm | Permalink

    Claudiu Gherganu,

    Ah so you do have issues with season 2!

  111. Joshua Taylor
    Posted September 5, 2012 at 12:30 pm | Permalink

    Aegon the Conqueror,

    What changes? the fact that he is not a John Sue like he is in the books?

  112. Zack
    Posted September 5, 2012 at 12:31 pm | Permalink

    Joshua Taylor,

    I think he shone with Rose last season, and any flatness to his acting will probably vanish with his more interesting storyline this year, as IMO ASOS had the best Jon material yet. Assuming the writers give him the chance, anyway. In any case, even in the less memorable scenes he had in the other seasons it’s clear he’s no Hayden Christensen. If done right, the next two seasons should give Harington plenty of opportunity to really break out and show some range.

    In a way, it goes back to the text, too. Because early on Jon was written rather as though he was supposed to be the window into the world for the reader, where we would project a personality onto him because he didn’t seem to have much of one. Things slowly changed and by the third book he got much more tolerable.

    Or maybe that’s just my reading of it.

  113. Aegon the Conqueror
    Posted September 5, 2012 at 12:41 pm | Permalink

    Joshua Taylor,

    More like the stumbling, gets lost moron who gets his fellow brothers killed. Instead of the reluctant, tragic undercover deserter.

  114. Claudiu Gherganu
    Posted September 5, 2012 at 12:44 pm | Permalink

    Joshua Taylor:
    Claudiu Gherganu,

    Ah so you do have issues with season 2!

    Yes, i never said i did not . It’s just that i don’t find it as problematic as some others .

  115. Reverse Nielsen
    Posted September 5, 2012 at 12:49 pm | Permalink

    Lana,

    I think Charlie Hunnam would make a great Justin Massey.

  116. Pastor_of_Muppets
    Posted September 5, 2012 at 1:16 pm | Permalink

    The Dragon Demands:
    Madness.Talisa is madness.

    Think for a moment:the name change or slightly altered backstory isn’t a problem at all.

    The problem is that they changed Robb’s interaction with Talisa so much that the book author decided that she was, on a functional level, not the same character anymore.They changed her top much.

    So don’t myopically think “oh, fans complaining about a name change”.

    It isn’t that.Martin has directly stated that the name change is an acknowledgement of drastic changes made to a character.

    Particularly, that Robb’s decision to marry her is a strategic-level disaster for the war, alienates the Freys who were badly needed allies, and was a selfish act to “preserve his honor”.

    The TV show….Benioff & Weiss directly stated that they saw it as a *causal* relationship, that he marries her because he…..is angry that Catelyn isn’t keeping his word, so much should she?That doesn’t make sense.

    The third season HAS to, HAS to begin with Brynden Tully slapping Robb across the face, calling him “boy” and “stupid boy”, and succinctly pointing out that Robb has put the lives of all his soldiers in jeopardy for no good reason.

    Robb doesn’t marry Talisa because he’s angry with Catelyn, and D&D have never stated that her relationship with Robb was a casual one. I’m not sure where you’re gettings your “facts”, but you might want to look for another source, because they’re wrong. I mean, just watching the show with no prior knowledge of the book series hasn’t lead a single person I know to come to the conclusion that Robb married Talisa because of his mother. I’ve only ever seen book readers make that (off-base) claim.

  117. Currer Bell
    Posted September 5, 2012 at 1:26 pm | Permalink

    The fact that Talisa could be substituted for Jeyne Westerling means that the debates about switched Westerling sisters and the “wolf in the belly” theory are pointless. An ironic example of the TV series acting as a spoiler for the books instead of the other way around

  118. darquemode
    Posted September 5, 2012 at 1:37 pm | Permalink

    Joshua Taylor,

    He was bad in Star Wars trilogy, but honestly…. did anyone think any of the original actors were that great in the Star Wars movies? Outside of Alec Guiness I really did not think any actor gave a brilliant performance. Those movies were more about fun stoy and special FX to me I guess. Why I was never a huge fan I guess….

  119. Zack
    Posted September 5, 2012 at 1:45 pm | Permalink

    darquemode,

    I’d say Harrison Ford stood out. And I’ve just been rewatching them this week.

    In general though I can’t say I disagree, the acting in the movies isn’t why I’d watch them. But it rarely strikes me as bad acting. Just serviceable. Whereas Anakin…detracts from the movie.

  120. Lana
    Posted September 5, 2012 at 1:45 pm | Permalink

    Reverse Nielsen,

    Ha, I can see that working too. : )

  121. Macha
    Posted September 5, 2012 at 1:51 pm | Permalink

    darquemode,

    I’m with you on this, I personally found most of the acting in SW pretty….bad. HC did good in Shattered Glass, even better in Life as a House, I just think he needs a strong director, that’s all.

  122. Tyrion4Lyfe
    Posted September 5, 2012 at 2:02 pm | Permalink

    Claudiu Gherganu,

    I read somewhere that George originally wanted Pearlman for Sandor.

  123. darquemode
    Posted September 5, 2012 at 2:03 pm | Permalink

    Zack,

    Ya I think most were good enough in the first trilogy, Christensen was bad, but everyone was so bad in the Episode I that I still haven’t watched the next 2! Just a terrible movie…. despite having 2 actors (McGregor and Portman) I like alot in it.

  124. gentle watcher
    Posted September 5, 2012 at 2:04 pm | Permalink

    darquemode,

    I agree with your assessment. I feel somewhat vindicated because a long time ago when I made a related supposition, I was ridiculed because a river is not a pool!

  125. dubq
    Posted September 5, 2012 at 2:13 pm | Permalink

    Ours is the Fury,

    He also said he wouldn’t do it if it interfered with SOA, which it likely would. I’d love to see him on the show but I doubt it’ll happen as long as SOA is still going strong (and it is).

  126. Adam Whitehead
    Posted September 5, 2012 at 2:16 pm | Permalink

    I know this thread is based on the show but has anyone in media world had the guts to ask George about the status of book 6 lately?

    Yes. He has 200 pages finished and ‘locked’ for THE WINDS OF WINTER and another 200 in draft form. So about 400 (out of a possible 1,500). That’s a lot better than some were thinking, although the amount of work on those 200 draft pages remains unknown.

    I’ve seen it debated, but I’ve never seen any textual evidence for the notion that Tywin was in communication with the Westerlings before Robb’s night of misadventure in the Crag.

    I don’t think it was a trap laid, it was merely a mistake exploited.

    It could be either way. Tyrion asks his father how long he’d been planning that trap and Tywin gets angry at Tyrion’s criticism. Later on, Jeyne’s mother mentions how it was all planned beforehand to Jaime.

    It’s not made clear when the arrangements were made, but the inference is there that the Westerlands moved very quickly to exploit the situation. It’s also stretching credulity to say that Tywin knew that Robb would go to the Crag, knew he would sleep with Jeyne etc all beforehand, since it was fairly spontaneous (triggered by Robb hearing about Bran and Rickon).

    The problem with “gardener”, in my opinion, is deus ex machina. Gardeners tend to write themselves into corners, from which they cannot extricate themselves without cooking up some kind of cheap contrivance that abruptly resolves the seemingly unresolvable situation.

    It’s interesting that another author who self-identifies as a ‘gardener’ is Stephen King, who is frequently criticised for his endings. Another one would be Robert Jordan. However, Jordan and Martin both seem to have combined their ‘making it up as they go along’ approach with making some hard decisions about the ending early on and then rewriting heavily to make sure everything matches up (whilst King seems much more willing to rely on DEM). Somewhere around the halfway point of his series, Jordan had made stacks of notes about the worldbuilding and had prepared an outline of the last novel even before he was diagnosed with his illness to make sure everything made sense.

    Interestingly, King once did force himself to outline a novel before writing it, just as an exercise. He said he hated it, but the resulting book, THE DEAD ZONE, does seem to be one that is respected for its ending not sucking as much as some of his others.

  127. Selmy
    Posted September 5, 2012 at 2:45 pm | Permalink

    Lin Beifunk,

    Wow that’s embarassing, I made a mistake writing the sentence: Shae will be killed, there won’t be any changes. :S

  128. Selmy
    Posted September 5, 2012 at 2:48 pm | Permalink

    Claudiu Gherganu,

    Sorry :P read my last comment before this one

  129. Aegon the Conqueror
    Posted September 5, 2012 at 3:21 pm | Permalink

    Pastor_of_Muppets,

    Actually his source is quite reliable as D@D said that in one of their behind the episodes videos. Next time make sure before dissing his comments.

  130. Aegon the Conqueror
    Posted September 5, 2012 at 3:28 pm | Permalink

    Zack,

    Come on in all fairness he was a lot better in Revenge.

  131. Aegon the Conqueror
    Posted September 5, 2012 at 3:30 pm | Permalink

    darquemode,

    Duuuuuude! Revenge of the Sith is an amazing story! I cried when I read the novel!
    Really go and watch it, it’s the best second only to Empire.

  132. Ours is the Fury
    Posted September 5, 2012 at 3:32 pm | Permalink

    B Cogman,
    I’m curious, did Taylor write all the scenes in “The Old Gods and the New”? That episode had the taking of Winterfell and Ser Rodrik’s death and those scenes went over fantastically well with everyone here. Despite the hard time we give the writers sometimes, we do know that you’ve all done a lot of stuff amazingly well.

  133. Eleanor
    Posted September 5, 2012 at 3:32 pm | Permalink

    http://www.irishtimes.com/newspaper/features/2012/0905/1224323608783.html?via=mr

    Irish Times interview with Lena Headey in which she talks about Cersei a lot. I love her that she’s already in a bad mood Cersei-style once all the uncomfortable clothing is on!

  134. Zack
    Posted September 5, 2012 at 3:39 pm | Permalink

    Aegon the Conqueror:
    Zack,

    Come on in all fairness he was a lot better in Revenge.

    Sure, but there really was nowhere to go but up from his ‘grains of sand’ moment. He was still pretty terrible in RotS IMO. It just seems like he wasn’t because he gets to do some cool things, but that’s the story more than him.

    Though…there wasn’t a lot of good acting in those movies even from actors I typically like. If a script and the direction don’t offer enough help….

    Since we’re on the subject I’d highly recommend the Red Letter Media videos on the topic of Star Wars. Funny and enlightening :)

  135. Nick Larter
    Posted September 5, 2012 at 3:41 pm | Permalink

    boyo:
    I found it interesting that he says they filmed flashback scenes with the Mad King and didn’t use them.

    Yeah I thpought this was really interesting too. Did they film them intending to use them in S1, or just to keep in the drawer for whenever? Also who did they cast as the Mad King? I know there was speculation at the time that they could do a makeup job on Harry Lloyd and have him as Aerys – I wonder if that ever happened!

  136. Ours is the Fury
    Posted September 5, 2012 at 4:06 pm | Permalink

    Nick Larter,

    I recall there being an actor credited as the “Mad King” at some point, when a resume/CV turned up last year, but I don’t remember the name now. It wasn’t anyone notable or famous.

  137. Pastor_of_Muppets
    Posted September 5, 2012 at 4:17 pm | Permalink

    Aegon the Conqueror:
    Pastor_of_Muppets,

    Actually his source is quite reliable as D@D said that in one of their behind the episodesvideos. Next time make sure before dissing his comments.

    Actually, what Weiss said can be found on this “Inside the Episode” featurette for season two:

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k-g1NXOl6Fo&feature=channel&list=UL

    You’ll notice that there is no mention of Robb and Talisa being in a “casual” relationship, and you’ll also notice that Weiss doesn’t suggest that Robb married Talisa because he was angry with his mother, but because this entire situation has changed his view on what honor is and what it really means to be honorable.

    Bran hadn’t done anything to hurt anyone, but he ends up crippled nonetheless. Not only that, but it was a Lannister who pushed him. The same family Robb is fighting a war against because the son of an incestuous Queen decided to cut off his fathers head.

    Theon – someone Robb ‘considered a brother’ – betrays him, and captures Winterfell, holding his two youngest brothers captive, while his sisters face a similar situation in King’s Landing.

    Stannis, the true heir to the throne, is contending with his own brother, who has ignored the line of succession and dubbed himself the King of Westeros. And as Robb continues his march South, he has to contend with malcontent regarding the treatment of the prisoners he holds, particularly from Roose Bolton and the Karstark men.

    It’s a lot of shit to go through in roughly a year, and it seems that Catelyn releasing Jaime to buy safety for Arya and Sansa just happened to another thing piled on top of all that. When Weiss mentions that Robb has been examining his “world view”, and has seen that being honorable isn’t as easy as it was when he was the Prince of Winterfell, he’s saying that the decision to marry Talisa was made in an attempt to grab control over something in his life; something he cared about. Robb himself tells Catelyn that he loves Talisa. So why assume that he’s doing this to get back at her for what she did when everything leading up to it hasn’t backed up that claim?

    And next time, maybe you two should “make sure”… Whatever that means.

  138. DavidBC
    Posted September 5, 2012 at 4:31 pm | Permalink

    There is some evidence that George’s episode this season involves the Red Wedding.

    He stated he doesn’t like his title for Episode 7 of season 3, (“Autumn Storms”) He goes on to state that he only titled it that because it is Autumn and it rains a lot in the episode.

    Now… The RW takes place during an intense rain storm, really the only noteable rainy event in the book…(that would be this late in the season)

    Any thoughts?

  139. Joshua Taylor
    Posted September 5, 2012 at 5:15 pm | Permalink

    darquemode,

    I dunno man, yeah it’s cheesy dialogue for sure but if your saying the acting quality between the prequels and the original trilogy is just the same quality…no not at all.

    And yeah it’s pointless getting into a debate about the quaility of Star Wars. May as well debate religion!

  140. Grétar
    Posted September 5, 2012 at 5:39 pm | Permalink

    Hi everyone. Not exactly related to this post but I recently recorded a set location in Iceland. If anyone knows which scene it is from it would be great help. Here it is: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7_9xiWxfdoY&feature=plcp

    Thanks.

  141. Mrs. H'ghar
    Posted September 5, 2012 at 6:07 pm | Permalink

    B Cogman:
    That would be early. Shooting in an hour.And a man has a one year old.

    B

    A woman must congratulate you and sympathize, as sleeplessness is very troublesome. Best wishes on your new season, and that baby soon learns to sleep through the night with regularity! For Mom & Dad’s sake!

  142. Lex
    Posted September 5, 2012 at 6:13 pm | Permalink

    DavidBC,

    I’m pretty sure we had some recent confirmation that George is NOT writing the RW, because David and Dan want that one for themselves.

  143. Mrs. H'ghar
    Posted September 5, 2012 at 6:15 pm | Permalink

    Lana:
    axia777,

    My version of Rhaegar, by the way, would look something like this http://alexanderpettyfer.com/images/alex_p1.gif

    MMMMmmmhmmmmm, a woman thinks that would work too.

  144. DavidBC
    Posted September 5, 2012 at 6:31 pm | Permalink

    Lex: DavidBC, I’m pretty sure we had some recent confirmation that George is NOT writing the RW, because David and Dan want that one for themselves.

    Can you provide this source?? I havent seen this anywhere…

  145. ChrisiE
    Posted September 5, 2012 at 6:38 pm | Permalink

    Joshua Taylor:
    Pastor_of_Muppets,

    I agree sir, that’s how I interpreted Taylor’s response. And good that you mentioned Breaking Bad because D & D did hire Michelle McClaren for season 3.

    So excited to she what she can do with Game of Thrones. She is my favorite director on Breaking Bad

  146. David Marcenaro DeBernardis
    Posted September 5, 2012 at 7:00 pm | Permalink

    I wouldnt call vanessa taylor’s writing “clever” and its sad that she thinks she is, considering that the episodes she wrote had terrible dialogue, except what she took directly from the books

  147. Rygar
    Posted September 5, 2012 at 7:03 pm | Permalink

    darquemode,

    I totally agree about the acting and dialogue in SW. Its as bad as the prequel movies. However I love the first three more because I grew up with them and as a kid I didnt know any better.

    One thing I did know as a kid and I still agree with today is that Julie Andrews is so hot as Mary Poppins. I’d take her over Sound of Music’s Maria any day of the week. Oh it’s a “Jolly Holiday” indeed! :P

  148. Mrs. H'ghar
    Posted September 5, 2012 at 7:05 pm | Permalink

    Lex:
    DavidBC,

    I’m pretty sure we had some recent confirmation that George is NOT writing the RW, because David and Dan want that one for themselves.

    In addition, a woman recalls that there was an interview at one point where GRRM said he did not want to write the RW episode since it was extremely troubling/upsetting for him to write the book version in the first place. Yes, the man who wrote the chapter found it difficult. IMO, he is writing the episode prior to the RW, where Robb’s army gets stuck in the mud traveling to the Twins, and possibly might include the Hound grabbing Arya & taking a ferry across the swollen river to evade the BWB, and other pertinent events will no doubt be included in that episode (Brienne & Jaime still traveling in the muck, Dany approaching Mereen, Jon Snow escaping from the wildlings, Bran & co at the Queen’s Crown waiting out the storm, Stannis machinations, Sansa’s lunch with Tyrells? Maybe even the Blue Wedding/T&S). It’s such an action-packed book that IMO every episode will be crucial to the plot moving forward for several key characters.

  149. David Marcenaro DeBernardis
    Posted September 5, 2012 at 7:08 pm | Permalink

    I hate Vanessa Taylor’s explanation for changing plot points, because it makes no sense. her episodes especially made major changes, mostly for the worst. There was no reason to get rid of jeyne westerling, and both robb’s love story and all of quarth really bummed me out

  150. Claudiu Gherganu
    Posted September 5, 2012 at 7:09 pm | Permalink

    ChrisiE: So excited to she what she can do with Game of Thrones. She is my favorite director on Breaking Bad

    Didn’t she direct the last episode of BB this year ? I thought the whole montage of the prison killings was excellent and the last shot of Hank finding out about Walt being Heisenberg .

  151. Claudiu Gherganu
    Posted September 5, 2012 at 7:14 pm | Permalink

    David Marcenaro DeBernardis,

    Dany’s story was pretty much garbage in the second book, House of the Undying included imo .

  152. Pastor_of_Muppets
    Posted September 5, 2012 at 7:24 pm | Permalink

    Joshua Taylor,

    For any who haven’t seen Breaking Bad, there are slight spoilers for the first four seasons.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XkSk6-krSKY

    Best cinematography on television, maybe ever, and one of the strongest aspects of the show. Although the speeded up effect isn’t appropriate for GoT, visually I feel that this is a great show for D&D to draw inspiration from.

  153. Rygar
    Posted September 5, 2012 at 7:25 pm | Permalink

    I actually have to agree with this. I wwas bored with the House of Undying part on my first read thru. I thought it was out of place and cliche, first door on left is the last door on the right type of thing. In fact the only thing that perked my interest was the naked chick being groped by dwarves and the very end when she meets the “Spirits” or whatever they are. It wasnt until i read up on the prophecies and their possible meanings that I found enjoyment in that part of Danys story.

    Claudiu Gherganu:
    David Marcenaro DeBernardis,

    Dany’s story was pretty much garbage in the second book, House of the Undying included imo .

  154. Joshua Taylor
    Posted September 5, 2012 at 7:27 pm | Permalink

    I’m sorry but any piece of dialogue from The Empire Strikes Back is miles ahead of anything in the prequels. And Ford/Fisher dialogue was classic screwball. The prequels lacked the human touch that the original trilogy had.

    Whatevs. But know it wasn’t Oscar worthy. But it wasn’t suppose to be. The prequels dialogue was just the worst trash ever. But then again Lawrence Kasdan cowrote Empire with Leigh Brackett while the prequels were written by Lucas himself. With some help by Tom Stoppard of all people.

    As for Julie Andrews, she is ridiculously hot in Mary Poppins. I was drinking with a buddy one time and we literally watched the whole movie. Transfixed. Sad huh?

  155. Rygar
    Posted September 5, 2012 at 7:40 pm | Permalink

    Julie Andrews for Marge Mormont!

  156. Joshua Taylor
    Posted September 5, 2012 at 7:40 pm | Permalink

    Aegon the Conqueror,

    I like ROTS because it’s the most urgent of the prequels. You really get carried away with the emotion of the story. Even so, it’s still A terrible and a painful reminder of how amazing the prequel trilogy could have been.

    Anyways fuck the prequels and George Lucas.

  157. loco73
    Posted September 5, 2012 at 8:11 pm | Permalink

    I don’t care what George throws at the Starks and what he does to them. I love Tyrion and Dany, but the Starks are the ones I identify with thus my undying loyalty, “Winter Is Coming”!!!!
    Oh yeah and the North Remembers indeed! Many scores to be settled and justice tobe served!

  158. Jen@House Stark
    Posted September 5, 2012 at 8:23 pm | Permalink

    Mrs. H’ghar: Oh yeah, a woman thinks that would work! Gotta be a drool-worthy guy like that! So enjoying reading and listening to the behind-the-sceenes stuff. LOVE IT!

    Oh yeah, Mrs. H is right. Charlie would be wonderful as Rhaegar.

  159. Lex
    Posted September 5, 2012 at 8:30 pm | Permalink

    DavidBC: Can you provide this source?? I havent seen this anywhere…

    I can’t remember, sorry… But I think it may have been posted here. An interview or something.

  160. Mrs. H'ghar
    Posted September 5, 2012 at 8:40 pm | Permalink

    Rygar:
    Julie Andrews for Marge Mormont!

    Jane Lynch for Marge Mormont, she could easily be Jorah’s sister. It is known.

  161. Joshua Taylor
    Posted September 5, 2012 at 8:54 pm | Permalink

    loco73,

    Finished ASOS? ;-)

  162. Lin Beifunk
    Posted September 5, 2012 at 8:55 pm | Permalink

    Mrs. H’ghar: Jane Lynch for Marge Mormont, she could easily be Jorah’s sister. It is known.

    This would be beyond hysterical.

  163. Mrs. H'ghar
    Posted September 5, 2012 at 8:57 pm | Permalink

    Lin Beifunk: This would be beyond hysterical.

    A woman is thinking outside the box. Imagine Mormont/Lynch dancing with King Robb at the RW. Eyebrows would be lifting for days.

  164. Lin Beifunk
    Posted September 5, 2012 at 9:22 pm | Permalink

    Mrs. H’ghar: A woman is thinking outside the box. Imagine Mormont/Lynch dancing with King Robb at the RW. Eyebrows would be lifting for days.

    A college student approves.

  165. Rygar
    Posted September 5, 2012 at 9:28 pm | Permalink

    It’s actually Maege Mormont. I had to look it up because I thought I had it wrong. I would be all for Jane Lynch in the role, only if Julie Andrews turned it down first. Lol

  166. Rygar
    Posted September 5, 2012 at 9:31 pm | Permalink

    Still waiting for the settlement….

    loco73:
    I don’t care what George throws at the Starks and what he does to them. I love Tyrion and Dany, but the Starks are the ones I identify with thus my undying loyalty,“Winter Is Coming”!!!!
    Oh yeah and the North Remembers indeed! Many scores to be settled and justice tobe served!

  167. WildSeed
    Posted September 5, 2012 at 9:43 pm | Permalink

    axia777: If I could pick anyone?Alexander Skarsgård from True Blood.Yep, that would do the trick.

    </blockquote>

    Response:

    But can he sing ? I like Skarsgard but I think he's not quite ready for portraying Rhaegar.
    Maybe another role tho. A buff Swede may be just the thing those Targaryeons need.

  168. WildSeed
    Posted September 5, 2012 at 9:48 pm | Permalink

    Joshua Taylor:
    I’m sorry but any piece of dialogue from The Empire Strikes Back is miles ahead of anything in the prequels. And Ford/Fisher dialogue was classic screwball. The prequels lacked the human touch that the original trilogy had.

    Whatevs. But know it wasn’t Oscar worthy. But it wasn’t suppose to be. The prequels dialogue was just the worst trash ever. But then again Lawrence Kasdan cowrote Empire with Leigh Brackett while the prequels were written by Lucas himself. With some help by Tom Stoppard of all people.

    As for Julie Andrews, she is ridiculously hot in Mary Poppins. I was drinking with a buddy one time and we literally watched the whole movie. Transfixed. Sad huh?

    I must agree with you with the SW prequels, what bitter syrup that was.
    Mary Poppins huh….you guys are too much :D Arbor Gold in excess will
    do that of course.

  169. Rygar
    Posted September 5, 2012 at 9:51 pm | Permalink

    WildSeed,

    Dolph Lundgren. LOL

    And its always a Red, never the Gold.

  170. Tír Airgid
    Posted September 5, 2012 at 9:53 pm | Permalink

    Mrs. H’ghar: Jane Lynch for Marge Mormont, she could easily be Jorah’s sister. It is known.

    Oh, Mrs. H’ghar! Now I can’t get that image off my head! :)

  171. Tír Airgid
    Posted September 5, 2012 at 9:58 pm | Permalink

    Rygar:

    And its always a Red, never the Gold.

    Why no love for the Arbor Gold?

  172. WildSeed
    Posted September 5, 2012 at 10:00 pm | Permalink

    Pastor_of_Muppets:
    Joshua Taylor,

    For any who haven’t seen Breaking Bad, there are slight spoilers for the first four seasons.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XkSk6-krSKY

    Best cinematography on television, maybe ever, and one of the strongest aspects of the show. Although the speeded up effect isn’t appropriate for GoT, visually I feel that this is a great show for D&D to draw inspiration from.

    WOW. I’m impressed. Thanks for posting that :D

  173. Rygar
    Posted September 5, 2012 at 10:05 pm | Permalink

    Personal preference. Red is sexier.

    Tír Airgid: Why no love for the Arbor Gold?

  174. Tír Airgid
    Posted September 5, 2012 at 10:06 pm | Permalink

    Ours is the Fury:
    Charlie Hunnam wants to be on GoT, he’s said before. He’s blond, 6’1″ and gorgeous. He’d be a good Rhaegar.
    http://shechive.files.wordpress.com/2010/12/eye-candy-charlie-hunnam-8.jpg

    Oh, my! With someone like that i could even like Rhaegar! ;)

  175. Rygar
    Posted September 5, 2012 at 10:18 pm | Permalink

    Ah who am I kidding, if it has alcohol in it, most likely I’ll be taking a swig.

    Tír Airgid: Why no love for the Arbor Gold?

  176. Joshua Taylor
    Posted September 5, 2012 at 10:53 pm | Permalink

    WildSeed,

    Dude seriously, Julie Andrews as Mary Poppins is hot. Watch again.

  177. Mrs. H'ghar
    Posted September 5, 2012 at 11:39 pm | Permalink

    Rygar:
    It’s actually Maege Mormont.I had to look it up because I thought I had it wrong. I would be all for Jane Lynch in the role, only if Julie Andrews turned it down first. Lol

    A woman apologizes for the typo. Maege it is. Julie A. is awesome, but too feminine to pull off the warrior IMO (OK, she did all right in a tux for Victor/Victoria, but can’t see her in mail).

  178. Luana
    Posted September 6, 2012 at 12:15 am | Permalink

    Ours is the Fury:
    Charlie Hunnam wants to be on GoT, he’s said before. He’s blond, 6’1″ and gorgeous. He’d be a good Rhaegar.
    http://shechive.files.wordpress.com/2010/12/eye-candy-charlie-hunnam-8.jpg

    Harry Lloyd for Rhaegar! Harry Lloyd for all the Targaryens!

  179. Cary Storm
    Posted September 6, 2012 at 12:28 am | Permalink

    Mrs. H’ghar: A woman apologizes for the typo. Maege it is. Julie A. is awesome, but too feminine to pull off the warrior IMO (OK, she did all right in a tux for Victor/Victoria, but can’t see her in mail).

    Marge Mormont is married to Homer Mormont.

  180. Ours is the Fury
    Posted September 6, 2012 at 12:41 am | Permalink

    Luana,

    Ha, that’s why I made this months ago:
    http://i49.tinypic.com/n1peoh.jpg

  181. mags giantsbabe
    Posted September 6, 2012 at 12:57 am | Permalink

    You will be able to Kit in Silent Hill: Revelations come end of October. It’s not really a film I would be excited to see him in, but Sean Bean and Carry-Anne Moss will also be starring. After that only end of next year in Seventh Son, I think, where I’m vaguely certain he’ll be playing a semi-villainous character. And with the possible voice work for How to train you Dragon 2, it will be interesting how he tackles that since some people seem to think his voice is “flat”.

    He’s unemotional performance in S1 is probably one of the things I enjoyed most.

  182. Mrs. H'ghar
    Posted September 6, 2012 at 1:10 am | Permalink

    Cary Storm: Marge Mormont is married to Homer Mormont.

    A woman Lolz. : – )

  183. Luana
    Posted September 6, 2012 at 1:37 am | Permalink

    Ours is the Fury:
    Luana,

    Ha, that’s why I made this months ago:
    http://i49.tinypic.com/n1peoh.jpg

    Perfection. Harry Lloyd for all the roles!

  184. Currer Bell
    Posted September 6, 2012 at 2:29 am | Permalink

    Adam Whitehead

    Yes. He has 200 pages finished and ‘locked’ for THE WINDS OF WINTER and another 200 in draft form. So about 400 (out of a possible 1,500). That’s a lot better than some were thinking, although the amount of work on those 200 draft pages remains unknown.

    Where did you obtain this information? I am not epressing scepticism but would like to following this source myself in the future.

  185. The_Rabbit01
    Posted September 6, 2012 at 2:39 am | Permalink

    DavidBC,

    It was in one brief interview with GRRM at Comicon.

  186. Lana
    Posted September 6, 2012 at 6:02 am | Permalink

    Mrs. H’ghar: MMMMmmmhmmmmm, a woman thinks that would work too.

    And a woman knows best. ; )

  187. Rygar
    Posted September 6, 2012 at 7:16 am | Permalink

    I made the same typo so no need to apologize! :)

    But thats what makes it fun. Take JA out of her normal elegant self and thrust her in a warrior woman role. I want to hear her say “cunt”. Ha.

    Mrs. H’ghar: A woman apologizes for the typo. Maege it is. Julie A. is awesome, but too feminine to pull off the warrior IMO (OK, she did all right in a tux for Victor/Victoria, but can’t see her in mail).

  188. sjwenings
    Posted September 6, 2012 at 9:24 am | Permalink

    Oh, hey! Guess who I just passed on the street here in Norway! Tormund Giantsbane himself, Kristoffer Hivju!

    I was on a bus, and he was on the sidewalk, so I couldn’t say hello, but it was pretty cool nonetheless. As many here know, he had to cut/shave for a part in a Will Smith movie, but since then, his wavy, thick, red hair and beard have blossomed once again, and he was quite an impressive sight!

  189. Tom O' Sevens
    Posted September 6, 2012 at 11:47 am | Permalink

    Lex:
    DavidBC,

    I’m pretty sure we had some recent confirmation that George is NOT writing the RW, because David and Dan want that one for themselves.

    Not true. GRRM Didnt want to write the RW episode ecause he found it too troubling. GRRM said it himself

  190. Currer Bell
    Posted September 6, 2012 at 12:03 pm | Permalink

    Joshua Taylor,

    Joshua Taylor:
    WildSeed,

    Dude seriously, Julie Andrews as Mary Poppins is hot. Watch again.

    You guys need to get out more. Take a shower. Take a walk. Get some fresh air. Meet some girls. Dear, oh, dear, this is disturbing. :-/)

  191. Zack
    Posted September 6, 2012 at 12:16 pm | Permalink

    Currer Bell,

    They’re right though, she was totally hot in that movie.

  192. Joshua Taylor
    Posted September 6, 2012 at 12:17 pm | Permalink

    Currer Bell,

    So you don’t find Mary Poppins hot?

  193. Dan
    Posted September 6, 2012 at 1:22 pm | Permalink

    Joshua Taylor,

    Beauty is always subjective, but I don’t find her hot at all. She’s not ugly by any stretch but definitely not hot in my eyes.

  194. Winturd
    Posted September 6, 2012 at 2:51 pm | Permalink

    Pastor_of_Muppets,

    When I first watched that scene it seemed to me that Robb married Talisa to get back at his mother.. and because he had something against “arranged marriages”..
    if D&D had intended any other reason for Robb’s marriage they suck at writing because that reason was not clear not just to me, but also tomany others I know who watched the show..

  195. Selmy
    Posted September 6, 2012 at 3:00 pm | Permalink

    Ours is the Fury,

    I say it again, I miswrote my sentence……SHAE WILL BE KILLED! SHE WILL DIE! TYRION WILL KILL HER!!!

    Sorry for misleading anyone :S

  196. Currer Bell
    Posted September 6, 2012 at 3:06 pm | Permalink

    Joshua Taylor,

    What were a couple of grown-assed men doing watching Mary Poppins to begin with? Does your mama know what’s going on in her basement?

  197. Aegon the Conqueror
    Posted September 6, 2012 at 3:36 pm | Permalink

    Cary Storm,

    Cary, Or Mr’s Hghar or Tir Airgid or any familiars please tell Macha to check her inbox, I can’t get on to the forum!!!!!!!!

  198. Mrs. H'ghar
    Posted September 6, 2012 at 3:47 pm | Permalink

    Aegon the Conqueror:
    Cary Storm,

    Cary, Or Mr’s Hghar or Tir Airgid or any familiars please tell Macha to check her inbox, I can’t get on to the forum!!!!!!!!

    A woman shall do this for Your Grace. Never fear, it is done.

  199. Aegon the Conqueror
    Posted September 6, 2012 at 3:54 pm | Permalink

    Mrs. H’ghar,

    Thanks Mr’s H’ghar
    Sorry for posting this here WIC.net

  200. Cary Storm
    Posted September 6, 2012 at 4:08 pm | Permalink

    Aegon the Conqueror:
    Cary, Or Mr’s Hghar or Tir Airgid or any familiars please tell Macha to check her inbox, I can’t get on to the forum!!!!!!!!

    Dude…

  201. Pastor_of_Muppets
    Posted September 6, 2012 at 4:24 pm | Permalink

    Winturd,

    Fair enough, but that interpretation seems to exclude every other thing that has happened to Robb, including his feelings for Talisa. What was it about the scene – specifically – that helped you come to that conclusion? The dialogue? The acting?

  202. Joshua Taylor
    Posted September 6, 2012 at 4:25 pm | Permalink

    Currer Bell,

    If by basement you mean my married friend’s living room where we were all chilling with a few beers on a hot summer day and watching the Disney channel by accident.

    I don’t know why I am defending myself. Get a grip sir.

  203. Rygar
    Posted September 6, 2012 at 4:46 pm | Permalink

    Ha I love how Julie Andrew’s sheer hottness as Mary Poppins has caused such a stir.

    Currer Bell,
    Yes I am a grown up who also thinks that Mary Poppins is a classic and one of the best movies/musicals ever made. I also enjoy reading fantasy novels, playing video games, and making fart jokes. :P

  204. Mrs. H'ghar
    Posted September 6, 2012 at 5:00 pm | Permalink

    Julie Andrews is a classic, none like her. A woman casts no aspersions on her talent or beauty, just don’t see her as Maege Mormont. It would be fun though, yes. But to this woman, she’s maybe a decade too old for that part and not edgy enough. Also Jane Lynch reminds me physically of Ser Jorah, like they could be siblings. JA could have easily been the Queen of Thorns though, but there are other parts in the days ahead, some in Essos I believe that require a mature and stately woman. But we will leave that for Nina, she’s been rockin’ it so far!

  205. Rygar
    Posted September 6, 2012 at 5:15 pm | Permalink

    THIS woman is super cool.

    Mrs. H’ghar:
    Julie Andrews is a classic, none like her.A woman casts no aspersions on her talent or beauty, just don’t see her as Maege Mormont. It would be fun though, yes. But to this woman, she’s maybe a decade too old for that part and not edgy enough. Also Jane Lynch reminds me physically of Ser Jorah, like they could be siblings. JA could have easily been the Queen of Thorns though, but there are other parts in the days ahead, some in Essos I believe that require a mature and stately woman. But we will leave that for Nina, she’s been rockin’ it so far!

  206. DH87
    Posted September 6, 2012 at 5:50 pm | Permalink

    B Cogman,

    Brian,

    Where have you been? You’re overdue for a only mildly ironic virtual hug from us ladyfans. {{{{{hugs}}}}}}

  207. Nick Larter
    Posted September 6, 2012 at 6:04 pm | Permalink

    Grétar:
    Hi everyone. Not exactly related to this post but I recently recorded a set location in Iceland. If anyone knows which scene it is from it would be great help. Here it is: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7_9xiWxfdoY&feature=plcp

    Thanks.

    That’s interesting Gretar – I read some reports a while back that these stones had caused a fuss, because they had been left there after the shoot. They’re not geologically the same as the rock at the location – had basically been brought in for the shoot by the Pegasus company – and some environmentalists/local people were giving out about spoiling the landscape.

    Apparently some of the local people have been carrying them away a few at a time and I suppose they’ll keep doing that until they’re all gone.

    The Pegasus company was reported as saying that they couldn’t remove the stones at the time because of all the ice and snow and that they would sort it now. Clearly they haven’t.

  208. Mrs. H'ghar
    Posted September 6, 2012 at 6:16 pm | Permalink

    oracle86:
    I think one of the reasons we all wanted Jeyne and not Talisa is that R.W becomeseven more poignant when we realise that the Young Wolf was betrayed by his wife’s family. I guess they just wanted to avoid the Westerlings altogether and pin the blame entirely on the Freys and Roose, but nevertheless utilising the Westerlings would have emphasised how painstakingly Tywin spun his web for Robb.

    Yes, it appears that Tywin has been playing the long game/big picture game, whereas King Robb has more or less gone area to area to make gains that would ultimately secure the North for him. It looks like Robb counted on combining the North with his newer gains, playing an incremental geographical game in a different way than Tywin was (which was also incremental, but counting on betrayals by disgruntled lesser houses rather than battles to gain the ground) . It took me 3 readings of the series (just started AFFC) to truly grasp Tywin’s plots, seems he took advantage of whatever happened around him and made it work for his side. Chess master.

  209. Grétar
    Posted September 6, 2012 at 6:46 pm | Permalink

    Nick Larter,

    I found a lot of white plaster all over the place. Some of those stones are drilled stuck in the ground so eventually you’ll have to bring your tool box if you want to remove all the stones. I like knowing they shot the Fist of the First men there but of course it would show courtesy to remove everything once filming is done. I’m not too upset though lol (“Argh! The stones are all littered…. with STONES!”) Very close by is a little village that was built for Beowulf (Gerard Butler version). The village still stands there even though the movie was shot, I don’t know, 5 or 6 years ago?

  210. DH87
    Posted September 6, 2012 at 6:58 pm | Permalink

    DH87,

    That should have been Bryan with a y and “an” only mildly ironic hug…..

  211. WildSeed
    Posted September 6, 2012 at 7:46 pm | Permalink

    Rygar:
    Ha I love how Julie Andrew’s sheer hottness as Mary Poppins has caused such a stir.

    Currer Bell,
    Yes I am a grown up who also thinks that Mary Poppins is a classic and one of the best movies/musicals ever made.I also enjoy reading fantasy novels, playing video games, and making fart jokes.:P

    And apparently drinks Dornish Red , unsupervised :D

  212. Rygar
    Posted September 6, 2012 at 9:01 pm | Permalink

    WildSeed,

    Ha! I have been under supervision ever since I showed up drunk uninvited at Joshua Taylor’s married friends house to watch Mary Poppins.

    Or was it that time at the Inn in Maidenpool?

    Anyway I think I have digressed enough. Let’s talk some Vanessa Taylor. I was was not blown away by her episodes this season. I really need to rewatch them again. I have not seen Breaking Bad but she is receiving high praise for her work there so I wwant to watch again with an open perspective.

  213. Joshua Taylor
    Posted September 6, 2012 at 9:13 pm | Permalink

    Rygar,

    Oh that Dornish Red, stronger than Jagrmeister!

  214. Watson
    Posted September 6, 2012 at 9:31 pm | Permalink

    Rygar,

    Vanessa Taylor doesn’t write for Breaking Bad. We have been praising Michelle Maclaren, who directs for Breaking Bad and has not previously worked on Game of Thrones.

    I didn’t really find that Taylor’s two episodes last season stood out one way or another in writing quality. Her second one initiated most of the major plot divergences, but that doesn’t mean she conceived of them.

  215. Rygar
    Posted September 6, 2012 at 9:45 pm | Permalink

    Ah thank you Doc. “Elementary”, as your mentor says. So many women, so little time as they also say. I must check out some BB and see what all the hypes about.

    Watson:
    Rygar,

    Vanessa Taylor doesn’t write for Breaking Bad. We have been praising Michelle Maclaren, who directs for Breaking Bad and has not previously worked on Game of Thrones.

    I didn’t really find that Taylor’s two episodes last season stood out one way or another in writing quality. Her second one initiated most of the major plot divergences, but that doesn’t mean she conceived of them.

  216. WildSeed
    Posted September 7, 2012 at 12:03 am | Permalink

    Rygar:
    WildSeed,

    Ha!I have been under supervision ever since I showed up drunk uninvited at Joshua Taylor’s married friends house to watch Mary Poppins.

    Or was it that time at the Inn in Maidenpool?

    Anyway I think I have digressed enough.Let’s talk some Vanessa Taylor.I was was not blown away by her episodes this season.I really need to rewatch them again.I have not seen Breaking Bad but she is receiving high praise for her work there so I wwant to watch again with an open perspective.

    Joshua Taylor and several others suggested Breaking Bad as a series to appreciate
    from the beginning. When I get Netflix soon, I’ll be adding it to my order.

    As for that Mary Poppins night, I believe it was the Inn at the Crossroads. Great
    Roast Beast on a spit served with onions and field greens. Washed down with
    meade or Arbor Gold for the ladies.

  217. MATTHEW
    Posted September 7, 2012 at 12:57 am | Permalink

    Vanessa Taylor, along with Bryan Cogman, are my favorite writers on the show. Her scripts are always among the strongest every season, and I’m so glad she’ll be back for Season 3!

  218. Adam Whitehead
    Posted September 7, 2012 at 5:35 am | Permalink

    Currer Bell:
    Adam Whitehead

    Yes. He has 200 pages finished and ‘locked’ for THE WINDS OF WINTER and another 200 in draft form. So about 400 (out of a possible 1,500). That’s a lot better than some were thinking, although the amount of work on those 200 draft pages remains unknown.

    Where did you obtain this information?I am not epressing scepticism but would like to following this source myself in the future.

    An interview with GRRM during his recent trip to Spain. It was discussed on Westeros and people were surprised that nugget of info hadn’t been picked up on more.

  219. Currer Bell
    Posted September 7, 2012 at 12:10 pm | Permalink

    To all and sundry who have been mesmerized by Julie Andrew’s hotness:

    One apologizes for the vehemence with which one expressed concern about fascination with Ms. Andrew’s physical appeal . One now sees that the nadir of the slippery slope that one perceived was entirely chimerical. In any circumstances one was not justified in speaking so personally to the poster who was merely expressing an opinion. Once again, one’s apologies.

    To everyone else on this thread,

    One wandered far off topic and by doing so wasted your valuable time. One regrets this error and will endeavor not to repeat it.

  220. WildSeed
    Posted September 7, 2012 at 2:31 pm | Permalink

    Currer Bell:
    To all and sundry who have been mesmerized by Julie Andrew’s hotness:

    One apologizes for the vehemence with which one expressed concern about fascination with Ms. Andrew’s physical appeal .One now sees that the nadir of the slippery slope that one perceived was entirely chimerical.In any circumstances one was not justified in speaking so personally to the poster who was merely expressing an opinion. Once again, one’s apologies.

    To everyone else on this thread,

    One wandered far off topic and by doing so wasted your valuable time.One regrets this error and will endeavor not to repeat it.

    Your kind words have been noted ser . A raven will be sent to the king to appeal on
    your behalf and seeking a pardon. Dark words shall not follow these dark wings.
    Sleep well kind ser.

  221. Joshua Taylor
    Posted September 7, 2012 at 4:56 pm | Permalink

    Currer Bell,

    Thanks….

    You just watched Mary Poppins didn’t you?

  222. Lex
    Posted September 7, 2012 at 9:21 pm | Permalink

    Honestly, I’ve never heard anyone call Mary Poppins hot before… but I can see it.

  223. flipthetruck
    Posted September 8, 2012 at 3:37 am | Permalink

    I didn’t dare to listen to the podcats because I fear that there might be spoilers for those who have not read the books.

    could anyone confirm that it is safe to listen for people who have only watched seasons 1 and 2 because usually GRRM interviews are fantastic and a 70 minute dissection sounds like the thing I need right now

    thanks in advance

  224. Watson
    Posted September 8, 2012 at 4:22 am | Permalink

    flipthetruck,

    The only spoiler I can think of happens near the end when he starts talking about differences between some characters in the books and their show facsimiles. Skip from minute 56 to minute 58 and you should be fine.

  225. flipthetruck
    Posted September 8, 2012 at 7:44 am | Permalink

    Watson,

    thank you very much!

  226. B Cogman
    Posted September 8, 2012 at 2:24 pm | Permalink

    Ours is the Fury,

    We all broke the episode in the room, but, yes, Vanessa wrote it. And, of course, D&D have a hand in every script (as do all showrunners on all shows).

    B

  227. Ours is the Fury
    Posted September 8, 2012 at 2:41 pm | Permalink

    B Cogman,

    Good to know. What I wouldn’t give to be a fly on the wall during that process. :)

  228. Lin Beifunk
    Posted September 8, 2012 at 3:45 pm | Permalink

    I don’t care how good or bad the next season might be, I just wanna see it, goddamn it!

    (Same with TWoW, although I already have a bet with my family that it won’t come out before I finish grad school [4~ years], and I kind-of want that money.)

  229. tysnow
    Posted September 9, 2012 at 6:31 pm | Permalink

    Besides TitanCon and Throne Fury, are there any future GoT themed conventions in the panning for North America?

  230. Abyss
    Posted September 9, 2012 at 6:52 pm | Permalink

    tysnow,

    Please help me out here. – Who or what is “Throne Fury”? I have never heard of it before.

  231. tysnow
    Posted September 9, 2012 at 6:58 pm | Permalink

    Abyss,

    Sorry, it is actually Throne Con II run by Starfury Conventions, it is in London next January.

    Throne Con

  232. Abyss
    Posted September 9, 2012 at 7:07 pm | Permalink

    tysnow,

    Thanks for the clarification. ;-)

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