MGOT: S3 Battles Have Begun in Northern Ireland

Jaime and Brienne?

Macha:
Jaime and Brienne?

Has to be …

Macha,

I’m with you on this one. Very little doubt in my mind

Macha,

That was my thought, but the photo doesn’t match. The description left me with the fear that they would have Brienne cut off Jaime’s hand. But the photo looks like Night’s Watch brother. Maybe Mormont is going to go down in a fight? This one’s a head scratcher.

Oh, and the Hound vs Beric sword fight will take place in a cave so it’s not that.

Oh I missed that bit … It was the banter that made me think …

Ours is the Fury,
“the two main protagonists are two of my season favorites: an unexpected pairing, whose war of words is almost as full-on as the fight. ” this screamed Jaime & Brienne to me but you do have a point with the special weapon and VFX. Sandor & Beric sounds just as plausible.

Yes, I don’t think the photo matches the description either. If those are hints of snow…well it wasn’t snowing in the Riverlands at that time.

Main protagonists…unexpected pairing…war of words…it really sounds like Jaime & Brienne. I had the same thought as Watson: they will have Brienne cut off Jaime’s hand. They haven’t announced Vargo Hoat yet, right? They might be trying to simplify that plot.

could it be oberyn vs the mountain? the new weapon may bethe spear and this fight could happen at the end of season 3:P

And regarding Beric v. The Hound, wasn’t there an earlier post or tweet suggesting the filming of the brotherhood without banners has already finished for the season?

AA,

But Vargo is for sure being in Season 3, since sometime ago leaked an audition for his role. And there is some “Lorde Torturer” and a guy named Tom Brooke that people think that one of them is Vargo.

tysnow,

Based on the hair in the picture I’d say Edd as well.

I saved the photo and put it more dark, and if you zoom it, you can see a roof up the camera, and in the back of the misteryous guy, you can see some fence like of a farm..now for sure, for me is Craster’s Keep

“Finally we get to see two of the most legendary swordfighters in all of Westeros go one on one.”

Oh nice, now we are going to have some guy after this comment starting a discussion saying who is the most legendary sworfighter in the world of westeros

AHHAHA :P

I’m a little confused by the conversation here, this seems to clearly refer to Jaime and Brienne.
Unexpected pairing, war of words. Those definitely point to them. I also think that “each move carefully placed to match the terrain” and “character-defining scene” relate to that scene more than the others.
I also don’t think this means that Brienne does the deed. Maybe I’m mis-remembering, but don’t they get caught while fighting and then it happens right after at the end of that chapter? If so, then “VFX was involved in creating the final moments of the scene” fits perfectly for the lost limb at the end at the hands of the Bloody Mummer

Stuart,

Problem with Jaime-Brienne is the special weapon part and the nervousness while testing that special weapon against a stunt guy.

The photo has nothing to do with the story… the pic is credited and the story was just two people out for a walk ….

I also think it’s jaime and brienne. If you look back the the scene from episode 10 last season he’s also wearing a raggedy cloak like the one in the picture, and the forest would fit the scene.

Ours is the Fury,

Well that’s confusing …. because that’s how I read it! Har. Oh well I thought I was helping there …

Hmmm just seen her name at the top .

Cary Storm,

I’m torn … special effects would be needed on a flaming sword and they’d have to make a blue screen one ?

Ours is the Fury:
The fact that they had VFX involved for the final part of the fight scene makes me think it’s either Sandor vs Beric with the flaming sword, or Sam fighting off the Other with the obsidian dagger. And that doesn’t look like Sam or north of the Wall to me in the pic. And why would they need a “special weapon” made for the Jaime/Brienne fight?

A woman is re-thinking the original thought, you may be right!

tysnow:
YvyB,

What is the importance of the pic being credited? Helen Sloan is the still photographer for GoT, so her name would be on a pic of the scene being filmed.

Well I didn’t blooming know that either ! I give up :D

YvyB,

Why give up? I just was wondering if a pic being credited is important in the greater scope of the article. Is this some type of film speak or what not.

It’s Jaime and Brienne, I’m sure. Nothing the Hound says is could be reasonably called “banter”!I think the special effects stuff has got to be Jaime’s hand being cut off…hopefully they have combined the Vargo scene that comes right after the Jaime/Brienne fight. The “odd couple” language points to them too. And that’s his grubby cloak, I think.
None of the suggestions, including this one, explain a special weapon, though.

This doesn’t mean the scen was shot recently either as I seem to remember last year we found out that one of her posts came way after the fact, right?

Anyway I can’t tell which of the two it is either. My bet would be Jaimie and Brienne

Gotta beHound vs. Dondarrion , right? That was my first thought, based on the unexpected pairing, VFX, and special sword. I think the special sword makes that pairing very likely, much moreso than the other I keep seeing in these posts.

YvyB: Has to be …

Nah, that’s gotta be my cousin, Davey Crockett .

The picture looks like Snow to me.

And I have to whinge once again about Neil Marshall not being back for season 3, if anyone should be directing the battles it should be him. And before you say the schedule malarky stop because D & D nor anyone at HBO even spoke to Neil after Blackwater aired.

YvyB: Well I didn’t blooming know that either ! I give up :D

Listen Grumpkin, everyone here except you and I knew this. so get with the program :D

I really think Ours is the Fury and WiC make good points I thought it was a
Night’s Watch Brother returning to Crasters’s lodge or the Lightening Lord and
Sandor . Never considered Brienne tho It’s all speculation. I wonder what
tasty morsels we’ll have next., there bound to be more that will make this one
dismissible.

You can rule out that it’s not a fight with Jorah. That V neck wouldn’t last too long in the snow.

I zoomed in real tight on the pic, and that is not Craster’s in background, what you think is snow on the cape is sunlight, and snow was on the ground at Crastor’s not dry ground.
Furthermore that cape is not Jaime’s cape, also that is a two rail fence around house, not a barricade. So it appears to be some house/bldg. south of the wall, with what looks like a night watchman approaching.
The scene wasn’t in last season, and the pic title is season3, but I cannot remember any scene similar to this in SoS either. So even if it doesn’t concern the fight, it seems to indicate an invented scene for the show.

I am confused most by the “unexpected pairing” remark. Both suggestions of who they could be are pretty “expected” in my eyes. We already know in S2 that Jaime and Brienne are not getting along and its totally feasible for Sandor to want to fight someone. Where is the unexpectedness?

I can only think that it is unexpected because J is B’s prisoner but it would not be surprising for J to attempt to escape and fight so maybe it is not so unexpected afterall

It makes more sense to me that this is about Jaime and Brienne’s fight scene.
The article is about a rehearsal, not a shoot, so that to me indicates that the image with the camera is pretty much irrelevant. It’s VERY unlikely they’d have the camera around during rehearsals. I think they’ve just attached a generic image that isn’t really specific to anything.

As for the VFX, didn’t J&B’s fight end up in the river or something like that? That would still involve VFX if they plan on making it an impressive fight scene “with each move carefully placed to match the terrain”. I wouldn’t be surprised if they end up near some sort of torrent or waterfall or whatnot. They do almost kill each other. Which brings me back to VFX again. They both end up with injuries from this fight, which will likely also be done with some VFX.

Also, the ‘special weapon’ could be simply a specially designed stunt-version of Jaime or Brienne’s sword. Armoury departments often have to design special versions of weapons for different purposes, for example one that breaks. Let’s say Brienne or Jaime’s sword gets broken during the fight, they would have a specially designed sword that would require testing.

The fact that it’s referred to as an ‘unexpected pairing’ really rules out Sandor and Beric I think. They’re not a pair, and the only reason it would be unexpected is because at this stage no-one in the general audience really knows who the hell Beric is.

Beric and Sandor’s fight scene wasn’t really that character-defining compared to J&B’s fight, which had quite a big impact on both of them.

How about Brienne dropping some rocks on a certain boat? That would require FX

“Unexpected pairing” must refer to Jaime and Brienne. How is The Hound and Beric an unexpected pairing? Thats stretching the usual definition a bit far. Add the war of words, and we got our answer.

I also REALLY hope they don’t have Brienne cut Jaimes hand off. She’s just not that brutal and merciless. MAybe by accident during the fight, though… I suppose that’d be acceptable, at least.

If they are going with Vargos gang doing the deed, adding the handchopping scene to the end of the fight scene makes a lot of sense, though. As Jaime’s loss of hand would be a perfect way to end an episode. Like in the book: Jaime screams – screen goes to black. And the fight would be a nice build up to that climax.

Winter Is Coming: th Beric v Sandor. In part because it makes a lot of sense that they’d shoot that at night.

  

The post mentioned that the VFX was used at the *end*, Beric used a flaming sword the entire battle…its Jaime and Brianne and the special weapon is the one used to lop his hand off.

testing

God I sure hope that it is Jamie and Brienne, it was one of the best moments in what was already an amazing book, “A Storm Of Swords”.

Good stuff!!!

At first glance I would say Sandor vs. Beric.

Oops! Spoilers!

If the picture is linked in anyway with the scene discussed in the posting, well that looks like a Brother of the Night’s Watch and not like Sandor Clegane or Jamie!

If however the picture is un-related, well then it could be any number of fights

Cover the spoiler….

Winter Is Coming,

No disrespect to John Bradley but that figure in the pic isn’t bulky enough to be Sam.

I wonder if its our first glimpse of Coldhands.

YvyB:
“It will be a character-defining scene, for more than one who is involved, so it has to be done well.”
If it’s just two people , surely she would of said both.

Interesting. I hadn’t paid attention to that. So you’re leaning more towards sth North of the Wall?

Tír Airgid,

When I first read the post , I thought yeah I get it straight away …. now the more I read peoples comments and re read the article I haven’t a blinking clue! Ha ha!
Good one though :)

Another thought: Brienne & Jaime in the bear pit (likely without a bear).

more than one involved… check
character defining moment… check
requires complex choreography… highly possible
special weapon of some sorts… depends

Why wouldn’t they just test it on a shield then?
Maybe the tree acts like a …chopping block!

Unless it was a poor choice of words, the “unexpected pairing” disproves J&B, H&B, and Hall & Oates. All of those can be considered “expected” in one way or another.

Rygar,

What if it’s an “unexpected pairing” because J&B will team up against Vargo & Co.? Having two main protagonists doesn’t mean the fight will involve only two combatants, hmm?

Macha,

That’s a big hmmmm. But a hmmmm I really like and nullifies the potential controversy over who uses the “chop”.

On Second thought,

The Hound and Lord Beric would make more sense because of the fx team being there. Plus that who’e fight is a trial by combat which technically nobody wins. That would be sick as well. Other than that, WHERE IS WUN WUN???

Ahhh that guy looks awfully similar to Sam….

Has anyone been to Game of Thrones set in Northern Ireland? I’d love to go up there but not if I won’t be able to see anything!

Rygar,

Prince is like, sixty years old? Satin is like, fourteen…

Oooo, it’s like a riddle. Wrapped in a mystery. Served on a plate of questions.

For argument’s sake I am going to assume that the person being quoted is being exact in their word choice and weighs each word carefully. so….

This cannot be about Sam and the Other. Others don’t talk. . There couldn’t be a war of words between those two, so strike that from the list of potentials.

also, it has been some time since I read ASOS, but I don’t remember Beric being a main protagonist, he was more of a side character. Maybe they are changing this for the TV show, but I doubt it. I think it would be odd to elevate that character, all things considered.

then, that leaves the Jaime-Brienne theory. This makes the most sense. With the verbal sparring, with the swordplay, etc. That is, until you get to the odd comment about some sort of special weapon. And, importantly, the comment about the ‘unexpected pairing’. “Unexpected”? Unexpected for who? If the quoted person meant in the realm of ASOIAF-unexpected, then Jaime and Brienne fit. But, if they meant unexpected for the TV viewers, then they don’t fit that description.

HugeFloppyGut,
This is not a ASOIAF site. Its a Game of Thrones TV show site.

100% its the Hound vs Beric..why else would they need special effects..flaming sword

Meh, age makes no differerence. If it did, you wouldn’t have Dinklage as the “youngest” Lannister sibling.

Ok thats a stretch. I concede victory to you.

Cary Storm:
Rygar,

Prince is like, sixty years old? Satin is like, fourteen…

Rygar:
Unless it was a poor choice of words, the “unexpected pairing” disproves J&B, H&B, and Hall & Oates.All of those can be considered “expected” in one way or another.

That’s a pretty low standard for proof. There’s a million and one ways to interpret words and assuming you know exactly how Cat Taylor would refer to things is pretty presumptive.

J&B are an unexpected pairing, not in the sense that we don’t know that they aren’t already together, but in the sense that they are an “odd couple” dynamic. As someone who knows the story, they forge an unlikely relationship — i.e. an “unexpected pairing.”

So, you see, there’s at least one way to look at that wording and see it make a lot of sense.

The focus on semantics can be applied to the whole story. Take “banter” — J&B is the only fight with real banter, unless you are being liberal with the definition. Or even “pairing” — in what other fight would you ever refer to the characters as pairing?

“It’s a character-defining scene, for more than one who is involved.” Who else could that be? The scene at Craster’s keep isn’t defining in any real way, and the only real character there are Sam and Mormont, and the latter’s story ends. Beric’s not a real character in the show, and while I suppose you could make an argument for the Hound, I think it’s not definitive. But Jaime? Definition of character-defining when he loses his hand. Brienne’s view of Jaime is going to change, which is more of a stretch.

Add in the fact that the special weapon and effects makes sense and the circumstantial evidence agrees.

Ed,

I think it would change the later relationship far too much … and not for the better. Not much about it would make sense.

I am not using the books as a source. In the show, it is obvious that Jaime and Brienne are a pair as he is her captive. How can something be unlikely when it is likely? Also based on Jaimes actions in the show and the events in his cell with his cuz, it is plausible that he may attempt to escape prompting a fight.

Entirely “expected”.

I do see your point. From having the knowledge of the books, J&B are an unlikely pair. They are almost polar opposite. Good/Bad, Ugly/Handsome, Vagina/Cock.

Alan: That’s a pretty low standard for proof.There’s a million and one ways to interpret words and assuming you know exactly how Cat Taylor would refer to things is pretty presumptive.

J&B are an unexpected pairing, not in the sense that we don’t know that they aren’t already together, but in the sense that they are an “odd couple” dynamic.As someone who knows the story, they forge an unlikely relationship — i.e. an “unexpected pairing.”

So, you see, there’s at least one way to look at that wording and see it make a lot of sense.

The focus on semantics can be applied to the whole story.Take “banter” — J&B is the only fight with real banter, unless you are being liberal with the definition.Or even “pairing”— in what other fight would you ever refer to the characters as pairing?

“It’s a character-defining scene, for more than one who is involved.”Who else could that be?The scene at Craster’s keep isn’t defining in any real way, and the only real character there are Sam and Mormont, and the latter’s story ends.Beric’s not a real character in the show, and while I suppose you could make an argument for the Hound, I think it’s not definitive.But Jaime?Definition of character-defining when he loses his hand.Brienne’s view of Jaime is going to change, which is more of a stretch.

Add in the fact that the special weapon and effects makes sense and the circumstantial evidence agrees.

Alan,

That’s a pretty low standard for proof. There’s a million and one ways to interpret words and assuming you know exactly how Cat Taylor would refer to things is pretty presumptive.

Good explanation concerning the semantics of the phrase. Therefore “unlikely pairing” could refer to two people currently at odds, realizing they are a couple, with similar goals and thus begin working together. The fight (with mummers or just bandits) could end with a certain shocking moment, which is defining, also for the both of them.
As for the pic, I believe it might be Jon at Queenscrown (the inn), it is south of the Wall, a Nightswatch member, but I wouldn’t think that would be filmed till the early part of season 4.

I’m just messing with you all. It’s gotta be Belwas vs the Titan’s Bastard. Surprise!

I believe that Hound vs. Beric fits the “unexpected pairing” phrase. This is highly possible because Beric could be established early on in the season with no signs of the Hound. Then, BAM, the hound is brought before him and the Red God judges him. Very unexpected. The VFX of Beric’s death and resurrection, the flaming sword, and Sandor getting burned more severely. This all adds up to me. The Brienne-Jaime pairing is possible but I think less likely.

Macha,

Maybe his hair is all wet, but I can see your point, though where do we have a scene involving DE south of the Wall?

Hmmm. We don’t, but Craster’s Keep wasn’t filmed in Iceland for example, so we can assume that scenes involving the area near the Wall, north or south, will be filmed in Northern Ireland. We don’t really know the scene depicted in that photo is south of the Wall.

Ugh by far the scenes I am looking forward to most are those involving Jaime and Brienne, Any and all of them.

MY FANGIRL HEART IS BURSTING WITH ANTICIPATION

regarding the scene being referred to:

I don’t see how it can’t be Jaime and Brienne’s fight that is being discussed. They are referring to Jaime having his hand cut off at the end of the fight/after the fight. What happens in the books is that they are found fighting by Hoat, and then Hoat cuts of Jaime’s hand. That seems to match what is described in paragraph two. The special VFX have to do with the hand-cutting / him not having a hand, not the actual fight.

OMG, I was reading over at Westeros, and then I verified it, because I totally forgot the incident completely, but in SoS Jon is wounded by an arrow, while fleeing you know who’s party. That definitely is fletching from an arrow on the lower right, protruding from cape.
So it is Jon, unless D&D pulled a slight of hand and changed the character, which means Jon stays north with Mance, and DE takes his place at Queenscrown.
This might be coolas this means Ygritte might stay around longer which would get my vote. The more RL, the happier many of us will be.

Rygar:
I am not using the books as a source.In the show, it is obvious that Jaime and Brienne are a pair as he is her captive. How can something be unlikely when it is likely?Also based on Jaimes actions in the show and the events in his cell with his cuz, it is plausible that he may attempt to escape prompting a fight.

Entirely “expected”.

I do see your point.From having the knowledge of the books, J&B are an unlikely pair.They are almost polar opposite.Good/Bad, Ugly/Handsome, Vagina/Cock.

Right — my point isn’t that you are wrong in that you see J&B as an expected pairing.

It’s that Cat Taylor may have a different thinking in why she used it and so J&B is still a (strong) possibility.

Frankly, I would never call the the Hound and Beric an unexpected pairing, but maybe she meant Arya and the Hound? I never would call the dialogue in that scene banter, but maybe she does?

Both scenes have a need for effects and a special weapon.

Cary Storm: It doesn’t make much sense for them to do that, in my opinion. Having Brienne responsible for the wholesale destruction of all that Jaime loves about himself would be a dramatic change in Jaime and Brienne‘s relationship, probably a great departure from the books. But of course, they’ve had great departures from the books before…

I think this is a moot discussion because of the Vargo Hoat auditions, but I don’t think Brienne chopping off Jaime’s hand has to be a big departure. If she chops it off like Vargo, for sure — Jaime is not going to feel so positive towards her. But if he tries to escape and she chops it when he’s trying to kill her? I think Jaime, as a warrior, would not hold her nearly as responsibly. That’s the risk of battle.

darquemode,

Thank you so much! Fancy you remembering , that’s so nice . :D

My two cents………. I think the photo is most likely Jon after Queenscrown, and is completey unrelated to the ” unexpected pairing”. Imo, this is The Hound and Arya.
The fight will be Hound vs Beric, with the “banter” as she calls it, being the verbal exchanges at Sandors trial. Therefore the special weapon has to be the flaming sword, and the VFX at the end refers to either The Hound catching on fire or Berics resurection or both.

The VFX are for the final moment of the duel, not the entire duration.

If that photo is related to the August shoot at Clandeboye then it is very unlikely that it is Jon Snow in the picture as Kit was still on crutches at that time. The arrows are most likely in a belt quiver rather than sticking out of someone’s leg, suggesting it’s an extra, probably just walking across the foreground of the scene. The main action looks to be happening where the camera is pointing over his left shoulder. It looks like it’s the far side of Crasters Keep.

I think it has to be Sandor vs Beric. Jaime vs Brienne wouldn’t require VFX or any special effects right ? Unless they wrote this massive change (would be stupid imo) of making brienne cut jaime’s hand..

And regarding the picture, I don’t think it has anything to do with what is said here, unless I missed something. Btw, filming in northern ireland is certainly almost finished right ? I mean, they still have Morroco, Dubrovnik and Iceland shots to film by the end of the year if I’m not mistaken.

Anyway, I’m dying to see the first teaser ! If they don’t start giving us something by sunday evening, I’m gonna have to start watching both seasons again… for the 4th freakin’ time !

Dzerards,

It is not Craster’s keep, there is no snow on ground, on roofs, anywhere. Just look at any online pics from the scenes shot there.
This is south of the wall.
Though it might be a quiver of arrows on NW guy, it appears to be a big crossbow bolt.

KG:
Ed,

I think it would change the later relationship far too much … and not for the better. Not much about it would make sense.

Agreed. I didn’t mean to imply it’s a good change. I meant that I wouldn’t put it past HBO to do it, in the name of streamlining.

Ours is the Fury,

You’re right. For some reason I thought it was on the list given to EW. Still, why would they bother auditioning for a role if they didn’t plan to cast him? By the time they started auditions the scripts for the season were already written. I’m not worried about Vargo being left out.

Al Swearengen:
Mrs. H’ghar,

When Empire interviewed Neil about Blackwater they asked him if he’d be coming back and he said he’d love to but nobody from the show had contacted him.

Ah yes, forgot about that interview. A woman still thinks Neil would be considered for any important fight episodes in the future if directors had not already been contracted.

Definitely the hound vs Beric. Also. If there is no Vargo than Rorge will do the chopping

Cary Storm,

They cast Ramsay and call him Boy. So i could see Vargo being cast but them not saying anything bout it. If he is cut them big deal. Rorge could end up being like Vargo is needed. But remember is was Zollo the Dothraki of the Bravd Companions who cut off Jamie’s hand, just at Hoats orders. Regardlesss, pretty sure we will see Vargo. He does have a decently significant role.

The fight between Brienne and Jaime, yep.

D&D better call back Neil Marshall for either episode 9 or 10 of the 4th season, we know what big fight will occur in one of those episodes. I’d prefer Neil to direct a certain event in Astapor, and also the episode where the Titan appears.

AA,

How is that pairing unexpected when they spent the last half of season 2 together?

Put me on team Jaime and Brienne. Seems to make the most sense given the few clues we have. But here’s my concern… That comment about the VFX at the end of the scene. That makes me think that either it’s NOT them after all, or that some of you who’ve theorized will be right and they’ll have Brienne be the one to cut off Jaime’s hand. I am hoping and praying this is NOT the case (if it is, I’d probably throw something at my TV and boycott the show for a while). It would absolutely DESTROY the dynamic between those two characters — a relationship that is my absolute favorite in the books. Think about it — would Jaime EVER forgive Brienne for doing that to him? I highly, highly doubt it. Everything would just be ruined between them from then on.

Now I’m super paranoid hahaha. My sincere hope is that either it’s not actually Jaime and Brienne or that the comment about VFX is being misinterpreted and/or they need the VFX for something other than Jaime’s hand.

Sorry for my worried rantings haha. Book 3 is my favorite in the series and I am petrified that they will find a way to screw it up!

What about the fight between wight/Small Paul and Sam when he’s trying to return to the wall with Gilly and the baby? A woman thinks that might require some VFX, right? There are numerous possibilities to be sure. Oh wait, there wouldn’t be much banter though.

Suzaku,

I’d be okay with that option haha. Long as they don’t royally screw everything up! XD

Raziel82,

That wont happen till season 4 bud….its toward the end of the third book.