Video of filming in Morocco gives us our first taste of Valyrian
By Winter Is Coming on in Filming.

A video showing some of the filming of Game of Thrones in Ouarzazate has surfaced and it includes looks at numerous scenes from Dany’s storyline. At the beginning of the vid, we hear Dany speaking a language that doesn’t sound like Dothraki. It’s likely this is Valyrian, another language created by David Peterson specifically for the show.

UPDATE: I removed the video as it is from a crew member and therefore is a breach of contract. I’m keeping the post open so discussion can continue.

There are a number of other scenes in there which book readers could probably place, but new viewers will have a hard time discerning what exactly is happening.

Winter Is Coming: The Valyrian sounds a little like Italian, which makes sense as Valyria is modeled after Rome. It also looks like Dany’s story will be much more faithful to the book this season. Of course, the writers had a lot more material to work with this time around.


134 Comments

  1. Matt S
    Posted November 2, 2012 at 10:55 am | Permalink

    Looks awesome!

  2. lavenderlullabies
    Posted November 2, 2012 at 10:57 am | Permalink

    Ahh this looks great! So excited!! That white horse Dany is riding looks so much like her Silver lol

  3. Hear Me Roar
    Posted November 2, 2012 at 11:00 am | Permalink

    Amazing, don’t miss the “Mhysa” chant :) I love those ranks of soldiers, this should look epic on the screen.

  4. Gemellobass
    Posted November 2, 2012 at 11:04 am | Permalink

    Lol I’m italian and this doesn’t sound like italian at all. Amazing video though

  5. thora
    Posted November 2, 2012 at 11:04 am | Permalink

    The language that is presumably Valyrian sounds really cool!

    Btw, this is the weather in the north of Iceland right now, hopefully the crew will remember to bring their woolly socks when they come here later this month..

  6. Michel
    Posted November 2, 2012 at 11:05 am | Permalink

    Are there gone be for sure more Unsullied of special effects, right ? In some scenes there only appears to be like 50 of them..how many are there in the books more or less ? 1.000 ? I Can’t remember for sure right now..

    BTW, nice scenes

  7. Draig
    Posted November 2, 2012 at 11:06 am | Permalink

    This looks utterly awesome….and it looks like she’s giving a speech on horseback at one point? I smell an Emmy…

  8. Kati
    Posted November 2, 2012 at 11:08 am | Permalink

    Michel,
    I think it’s 8000.

  9. Pepi
    Posted November 2, 2012 at 11:11 am | Permalink

    Gemellobass,

    Hah, ye, I can believe you that. It’s the same with Slavic languages. To someone who isn’t Slavic, everything we say sounds Russian. :D

  10. sunspear
    Posted November 2, 2012 at 11:26 am | Permalink

    Michel,

    8600 fully trained. I assume they will acheive this with the magic of green screen technology.

  11. He Who Slithers
    Posted November 2, 2012 at 11:28 am | Permalink

    well, the guy that made this video has surpassed anyone else that has gotten some behind-the-scenes shots. wow…

    that he says his name, provides an email address, and appears to be a member of the crew makes it all the more interesting. He is either bullet proof for some reason or another, or he better watch out or he is going to find himself barred from production.

    as far as the video/pics go, why does the faux horse they have Dany riding as she speaks valyrian seem so short? i don’t remember, was she riding a goat?

  12. Bairanax
    Posted November 2, 2012 at 11:28 am | Permalink

    Gemellobass,

    Same italian here… the language is ancient latino adaptation at valyrian language

  13. Eleanor
    Posted November 2, 2012 at 11:33 am | Permalink

    I did not think we’d get Valyrian, because we haven’t heard much about the Targaryen heritage and how it is just so, so different to the other Westerosi. When I heard it would happen I was so excited! Not least because I love the part where Missandei first shows up and ‘interprets’.

  14. sjwenings
    Posted November 2, 2012 at 11:35 am | Permalink

    Mhysa! Mhysa! Fantastic! I had assumed they’d film that scene, but you never know. I guess we have our season ender there - at least for Dany.

    I reeeeeeeeaally hope they’ll add some more CGIunsullied, though. The Dothraki “horde” was always underwhelming first season, and if she’s gonna become a conqueror, she’ll need some thousands of soldiers. I hope they don’t cheap out with simply not zooming out. That’ll barely look semi-passable.

    Oh, and I guess that goes for the Mhysa-scene as well….

  15. telobsidion
    Posted November 2, 2012 at 11:37 am | Permalink

    Pepi,

    And this is a little different, but I’ve listened to non-English speakers attempting to mimic English. Their attempts sound harsh and like German to me, but I suppose that’s what English must sound like to other ears.

  16. Varamyr Fourskins
    Posted November 2, 2012 at 11:37 am | Permalink

    The weirdest thing about Latin is it sounds nothing like we imagine it. For example, the Romans always used a hard C, so names like Caesar and Cicero would’ve been pronounced as Kaiser and Kikero. Similarly, there was no J sound, the G sound was interchangeable with the hard C, and the -us suffix was pronounced as “oos” rather than “us”. So, a name like Gaius Julius Caesar would’ve been pronounced “Kai-oos, Yuli-oos Kai-sar”.

    Say what now? The Kaiser? Huh?…

    Granted, I’m not the lingual genius David Peterson is, but language, and etymology has always interested me. Peterson did an amazing job with Dothraki, so I can’t wait to see what he’s come up with for Valyrian. What a cool job he has.

  17. Joshua Taylor
    Posted November 2, 2012 at 11:39 am | Permalink

    Varamyr Fourskins,

    Yousa right about dat. Kaiser comes from Caesar as does the Russian ‘Czar’

  18. bon
    Posted November 2, 2012 at 11:41 am | Permalink

    The set lokks very familiar… Is it the set used for Kingdom of Heaven?

    He Who Slithers,

    It was a mechanic horse, probably. Just like for LotR films: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XCetUYA_1YQ&feature=related

  19. Lambman
    Posted November 2, 2012 at 11:44 am | Permalink

    Mother, mother, mother!

    Those have to be the most extras the show has ever used for a single scene.

    Awesome.

  20. King DBC
    Posted November 2, 2012 at 11:44 am | Permalink

    sjwenings,

    I don’t know if that will be the season three ender. Correct me if I’m wrong, but doesn’t Dany pick up Daario after this?! If this is the ender (which would be a damn powerful one) and Daario is there, they must be changing timelines…

  21. sjwenings
    Posted November 2, 2012 at 11:47 am | Permalink

    King DBC: they must be changing timelines…

    I wouldn’t be shocked.

  22. He Who Slithers
    Posted November 2, 2012 at 12:13 pm | Permalink

    bon,

    it’s not that it is mechanical that has me scratching my head, it is the short stature of the mechanical beast that seems odd.

  23. The Dragon Demands
    Posted November 2, 2012 at 12:24 pm | Permalink

    What is often neglected is that there isn’t really a language called “Valyrian”; “Low Valyrian” is actually a language *family* of 10 separate romance languages derived from High Valyrian.

    I asked David J. Peterson about this in his blog: http://www.dothraki.com/2012/09/athchomar-chomakea/#comment-711

    I asked if he’s developing separate “Valyrian” languages (Ghiscari-Valyrian, Braavosi, Volantene, etc.) or if in the TV series, unlike the books, for the sake of convenience they’re making only ONE Low Valyrian as a catch-all.

    and he responded, “This touches on some elements specific to season 3, which I can’t discuss at all at this juncture. I will tell you that answers exist, though—precise ones.”

    Precise answers. Sounds exciting. So yes Peterson is fully aware that in the books they’re actually more like 10 separate romance languages; but this raises the question of if they’ll be combined into a single “Low Valyrian” for the TV series.

  24. Maester Tcost
    Posted November 2, 2012 at 12:40 pm | Permalink

    David Peterson will be one of our guests at ConDor this coming March 8-10 in sunny San Diego: http://www.condorcon.org/html/mainmenu.html

  25. Reverse Nielsen
    Posted November 2, 2012 at 12:41 pm | Permalink

    I assume you are referring to this footage?

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C9dUYuct0bY

  26. the goat
    Posted November 2, 2012 at 12:44 pm | Permalink

    Oh, Winter, how low?

  27. Fienix
    Posted November 2, 2012 at 12:52 pm | Permalink

    But what’s interesting, is that in Cyrillic “czar” is spelled with the “ts” sound. So in English, the correct spelling should be tsar.

    (Dober den, Pepi! Kakvo stava?)

    Joshua Taylor:
    Varamyr Fourskins,

    Yousa right about dat. Kaiser comes from Caesar as does the Russian ‘Czar’

  28. sark
    Posted November 2, 2012 at 12:56 pm | Permalink

    where is arstan whitebeard?

  29. Tír Airgid
    Posted November 2, 2012 at 1:02 pm | Permalink

    sark:
    where is arstan whitebeard?

    Here.

  30. the goat
    Posted November 2, 2012 at 1:03 pm | Permalink

    Reverse Nielsen,

    Holy R’hllor!! Thank the Seven! Gold, women, golden women, Azor Ahai yada yada…

  31. Al Swearengen
    Posted November 2, 2012 at 1:03 pm | Permalink

    I am just glad it’s been created :-)

  32. Turncloak
    Posted November 2, 2012 at 1:07 pm | Permalink

    Can someone post the link?

  33. Reverse Nielsen
    Posted November 2, 2012 at 1:11 pm | Permalink

    Turncloak,

    The link I posted has some new footage and pictures.
    It includes a speech Daenerys is giving to the Unsullied in an unknown language and at the end there’s the whole “Mhysa” thing.

  34. the goat
    Posted November 2, 2012 at 1:13 pm | Permalink

    “It means ‘Mother’.”

  35. Conor
    Posted November 2, 2012 at 1:22 pm | Permalink

    Oh my god, goosebumps, excitement and small amount of tears of joy.

    Amazing footage & news! So long to wait :(

  36. Peppe
    Posted November 2, 2012 at 1:26 pm | Permalink

    Reverse Nielsen,

    Thank you so much!
    Valyrian sounds good!

  37. Jacarb
    Posted November 2, 2012 at 1:29 pm | Permalink

    telobsidion,

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BZXcRqFmFa8

    This ridiculous piece of work is actually quite brilliant; a gibberish song written with American English phonemes that simulates to Americans what our accent sounds like to others.

    As to the question posed to Peterson, that’s an oddly cagey answer. We already know there will be Valyrian, so perhaps further details would be mildly plot-specific.

    Something like Dany trying to use her High Valyrian for a couple of lines (like a prep school kid who uses stilted, European Spanish on her first trip to Mexico), this failing miserably, which sets up the necessity of Missandei. So a pinch of High Valyrian to establish the Latin parallel, and then extensive use of a general Low Valyrian that smushes all of the Slaver’s Bay dialects together.

    I hope Braavosi gets its own treatment, though not as much as I want to see Valyrian glyphs. I’m technically a linguist, but the degree was really just an excuse to spend undergrad learning a large number of useless writing systems. Because…uh…Tolkien.

  38. Stannisdoes not bend
    Posted November 2, 2012 at 1:50 pm | Permalink

    Reverse Nielsen,

    Thanks the 7! the Old gods and the new! I love u!

  39. Luana
    Posted November 2, 2012 at 1:58 pm | Permalink

    Hoo boy, somebody is definitely going to be fired and/or sued. Great footage, thanks for your sacrifice!

    But where did the horses come from? Didn’t Dany and her Dothraki show up at the gates of Qarth horseless? I thought show canon was that they lost all the horses in the Red Waste…

  40. Stannisdoes not bend
    Posted November 2, 2012 at 1:58 pm | Permalink

    Jacarb,

    Check out this http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vt4Dfa4fOEY

    This is how we sound to the Brits!

  41. Selmy
    Posted November 2, 2012 at 2:02 pm | Permalink

    Oh Fuck! Wow, High Valyrian sounds awesome and sets look incredible. Seems like they put a lot of money on extras this season, which I approve. Tokars are cool. Cool cool cool.

  42. Mormegil
    Posted November 2, 2012 at 2:10 pm | Permalink

    Luana: But where did the horses come from? Didn’t Dany and her Dothraki show up at the gates of Qarth horseless? I thought show canon was that they lost all the horses in the Red Waste…

    Either bought the same time she buys a ship/gets given a ship or they get them after they conquer Astapor and ride them to Yunkai.

  43. sunspear
    Posted November 2, 2012 at 2:11 pm | Permalink

    The Dragon Demands,

    I doubt HBO is going to be willing to invest any more money into made up languages. I can’t imagine how expensive it is, and they have nothing to gain by making the dialogue incomprehensible to 99% of the viewers.

  44. Hear Me Roar
    Posted November 2, 2012 at 2:11 pm | Permalink

    Fienix,

    “tsar” is actually one of the spellings, if not the primary one. And, alongside “czar”, also “tzar”.

    The spelling U still has the sound value of ‘oo’ in the majority of languages, and it used to in English as well when they started writing it down, the sound changed in certain contexts later.

    [and the double O spelling was originally there to indicate a long o: sound, which then changed to, well, 'oo']

  45. Jacarb
    Posted November 2, 2012 at 2:11 pm | Permalink

    Stannisdoes not bend:
    Jacarb,

    Check out this http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vt4Dfa4fOEY

    This is how we sound to the Brits!

    That is so, so much better.

  46. Jboxtownd
    Posted November 2, 2012 at 2:21 pm | Permalink

    Another link up? I missed it

  47. Caro H
    Posted November 2, 2012 at 2:23 pm | Permalink

    Fantastic footage! Everything for Dany in S3 looks like it’s gonna be awesome! XD

  48. Selmy
    Posted November 2, 2012 at 2:38 pm | Permalink

    sunspear:
    The Dragon Demands,

    I doubt HBO is going to be willing to invest any more money into made up languages. I can’t imagine how expensive it is, and they have nothing to gain by making the dialogue incomprehensible to 99% of the viewers.

    Correct me if I’m wrong, but I think season 2′s budget was like 70 millions, so creating a language can’t be more than 0.2% of their budget. And different languages creates a sense of realism to viewers.

  49. G_Lee
    Posted November 2, 2012 at 2:57 pm | Permalink

    The budget was 70 million, really? Thats quite impressive. I wonder how much they have for season 3. Kit mentioned it was apparently more than season 2, so maybe 80 million?

  50. novichaso
    Posted November 2, 2012 at 3:04 pm | Permalink

    no!! i missed the video!! :(

  51. G_Lee
    Posted November 2, 2012 at 3:09 pm | Permalink

    novichaso,

    The links here in the comments somewhere. Go find it ;D

  52. Nezzer
    Posted November 2, 2012 at 3:30 pm | Permalink

    Valyrian sounds more Russian than Italian to me. You can notice the usage of “Ы” and “Ь”. Trying to make what Dany says at 0:15, it sounds like “Ке туду в чем мьдай врьтепать”. Doesn’t make any sense in Russian, as it’s pure gibberish, but it does look like they used Russian as a base for the Valyrian language. Well, to me, anyway, although I’m no Russian. I just studied Russian for a few years :D

  53. queenofthorns
    Posted November 2, 2012 at 4:02 pm | Permalink

    King DBC,

    Nope, she picks up Daario prior to the “MhysaMhysaMhysa” moment. In the same chapter in fact.

  54. queenofthorns
    Posted November 2, 2012 at 4:11 pm | Permalink

    Jacarb,

    Jacarb: Something like Dany trying to use her High Valyrian for a couple of lines (like a prep school kid who uses stilted, European Spanish on her first trip to Mexico), this failing miserably, which sets up the necessity of Missandei.

    Uh but the whole point of the first scene with Missandei is that Dany does understand Valyrian but is pretending she does not. Obviously she can’t attempt to speak the language or that would give away the game. Hence, there’s no need to explain why Missandei is needed – it’s self-explanatory in that first with Missandei, Dany, and Slaver-dude, which we know was filmed.

  55. Aegon the Conqueror
    Posted November 2, 2012 at 4:18 pm | Permalink

    As I said in the previous thread, I find this surprising since Italian has very little to do with Ancient Rome, I expected a Latin influence. Suppose it can work for a more modern evolved Valyrian.

  56. bon
    Posted November 2, 2012 at 4:18 pm | Permalink

    Ok. Video has been taken down. :(

  57. Hannah
    Posted November 2, 2012 at 4:23 pm | Permalink

    Shit! I missed it :( can the video still be posted for 1 time? Please…

  58. Aegon the Conqueror
    Posted November 2, 2012 at 4:27 pm | Permalink

    Hannah,

    Nope you missed it entirely, been taken off the internet.
    I smell lawsuit.

  59. bon
    Posted November 2, 2012 at 4:40 pm | Permalink

    Hannah,

    Could we talk on facebook?

  60. Herba
    Posted November 2, 2012 at 4:42 pm | Permalink

    I missed it too :-(((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((( Can someone help?

  61. Hannah
    Posted November 2, 2012 at 5:54 pm | Permalink

    bon,

    Huh… Why? :\

  62. WildSeed
    Posted November 2, 2012 at 6:05 pm | Permalink

    Aegon the Conqueror:
    As I said in the previous thread, I find this surprising since Italian has very little to do with Ancient Rome, I expected a Latin influence. Suppose it can work for a more modern evolved Valyrian.

    I missed out on listening to the aforementioned recording, but I think you
    misunderstand what is intrinsically Latin. Midieval Latin is very conservative,
    so much so that an audience would fall asleep listening to a simple conversation.

    In spite of other pre-Roman, Roman, Germanic influences, Latin has either
    influenced most languages spoken ( with exception of Asian, Slavic and Native
    Culture Symbols and Hieroglyphs) in virtually every continent ( except Asia).

    Although Spanish , Portuguese and French bear closer linguistic features to Latin,
    Italian and innumerable others are indeed Latin derived. Understanding this as a
    rule, helped me tremendously when attempting other Romance languages, thank
    goodness this concept was taught in grammar school. In spite of growing up with
    a derivative French language spoken at home, the relatively easy transition to
    another language proved correct.

    High Valyrian, as mentioned in ASOIF, always gave me the impression of
    conservative Latin. Thank goodness we are spared from that.

  63. Jacarb
    Posted November 2, 2012 at 6:07 pm | Permalink

    queenofthorns:
    Jacarb,

    Uh but the whole point of the first scene with Missandei is that Dany does understand Valyrian but is pretending she does not. Obviously she can’t attempt to speak the language or that would give away the game. Hence, there’s no need to explain why Missandei is needed – it’s self-explanatory in that first with Missandei, Dany, and Slaver-dude, which we know was filmed.

    Aha! You’re very right. I forgot that bit. I’d be sad to miss it, and I can picture it playing out very well on screen.

    But I don’t think establishing that Dany needs a proper translator/dialect coach contradicts that scene. Her sounding archaic and needing some help can come after secretly picking up the gist of the slaver. If they do combine a bunch of languages into one dialect of Valyrian, and Dany knows it perfectly, why need a Missandei? One way or another they’ll have to reconcile that for viewers.

  64. WildSeed
    Posted November 2, 2012 at 6:11 pm | Permalink

    Gemellobass,

    Could be pre-Roman influence. I didn’t get a listen, but that’s my guess.
    At least it’s not Klingon :D

  65. bon
    Posted November 2, 2012 at 6:14 pm | Permalink

    Hannah,

    Give me your email and will send you something that will suprise you. Trust me. Cannot speak more.

  66. Kyle
    Posted November 2, 2012 at 6:20 pm | Permalink

    bon,

    Can anyone give you an email for that?

  67. WildSeed
    Posted November 2, 2012 at 6:23 pm | Permalink

    The Dragon Demands:
    What is often neglected is that there isn’t really a language called “Valyrian”;“Low Valyrian” is actually a language *family* of 10 separate romance languages derived from High Valyrian.

    I asked David J. Peterson about this in his blog:http://www.dothraki.com/2012/09/athchomar-chomakea/#comment-711

    I asked if he’s developing separate “Valyrian” languages (Ghiscari-Valyrian, Braavosi, Volantene, etc.) or if in the TV series, unlike the books, for the sake of convenience they’re making only ONE Low Valyrian as a catch-all.

    and he responded, “This touches on some elements specific to season 3, which I can’t discuss at all at this juncture. I will tell you that answers exist, though—precise ones.”

    Precise answers.Sounds exciting. So yes Peterson is fully aware that in the books they’re actually more like 10 separate romance languages; but this raises the question of if they’ll be combined into a single “Low Valyrian” for the TV series.

    Wish I’d found this before my earlier comment. Thanks, this clarifies my
    point even better. I always considered High Valyrian as conservative Latin
    and Low Valyrian it’s close derivative. The link really helps, thanks for posting
    the link.

  68. bon
    Posted November 2, 2012 at 6:23 pm | Permalink

    WildSeed,

    Wester and Southern Slavic languages are very influenced by Latin. Eastern Slavic languages are influenced by Greek.

  69. WildSeed
    Posted November 2, 2012 at 6:26 pm | Permalink

    Hear Me Roar:
    Amazing, don’t miss the “Mhysa” chant :) I love those ranks of soldiers, this should look epic on the screen.

    I missed the chant, can you hum a few bars ?

  70. bon
    Posted November 2, 2012 at 6:27 pm | Permalink

    Kyle,

    Maybe it was a bad idea. I downloaded it for myself, so I don’t know. After rethinking it. I won’t do that.

  71. Baramos
    Posted November 2, 2012 at 6:31 pm | Permalink

    Varamyr Fourskins,

    Huh, I’d heard that about Greek/Macedonian (Macedonian is supposed to be pronounced Makedonian but everybody uses a soft c), never knew that Latin had a hard C.

    Obviously Kaiser is the Germanic form of Caesar, though, much like Czar is the Cyrillic form. Glad you pointed that out as it shows the linguistic properties that carry on through history.

  72. Conor
    Posted November 2, 2012 at 6:31 pm | Permalink

    Someone else posted it again, watch while it’s still up!

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AB9YwpW2ML0

  73. Baramos
    Posted November 2, 2012 at 6:33 pm | Permalink

    He Who Slithers,

    Never got to see the video. Was it a pony instead of a horse?

  74. bon
    Posted November 2, 2012 at 6:34 pm | Permalink

    Conor,

    It wasn’t me. I swear. It shows how internet don’t care about contracts or something like that.

  75. Kyle
    Posted November 2, 2012 at 6:34 pm | Permalink

    Regardless who did it, thank you to that person

  76. Luana
    Posted November 2, 2012 at 6:35 pm | Permalink

    Mormegil,

    I guess my point is that they said they eliminated the horses for budgetary reasons, and yet here we are in Season 3 with Dany’s group on horses again. Then what was the point of killing them all off in the Red Waste? And where does Dany get all this extra money to remount everybody? Makes no sense.

  77. Baramos
    Posted November 2, 2012 at 6:36 pm | Permalink

    Conor,

    Ah, thanks!

    The song overlay is annoying but I got to hear the Valyrian anyway!

  78. bon
    Posted November 2, 2012 at 6:38 pm | Permalink

    Kyle,

    Conor posted another link that is working.

  79. bon
    Posted November 2, 2012 at 6:40 pm | Permalink

    Luana,

    Maybe after sack of Astapor they had so many horses. Or they bought them in Qarth after sacking XXD residence. If I remember it right at battle with Yunkai army Dany had only 100 mounted Dothraki.

  80. Valyrian_eyes
    Posted November 2, 2012 at 6:49 pm | Permalink

    NOOOOOOO I missed the video!!!!!! T.T

  81. Kyle
    Posted November 2, 2012 at 6:54 pm | Permalink

    bon,

    Yes, I saw that. Thank you though. ;)

  82. Conor
    Posted November 2, 2012 at 7:05 pm | Permalink

    Need teaser trailer right now

  83. Tyrion Pimpslap
    Posted November 2, 2012 at 7:11 pm | Permalink

    Conor,

    Only 5 more weeks. Before ‘Boardwalk Empire’s’ season finale expect something, though I doubt we will get any video.

  84. mummer
    Posted November 2, 2012 at 7:13 pm | Permalink

    Jacarb,
    I think you’re misremembering the scene (or maybe I am). Missandei was translating between Valyrian (of whatever kind) and the Common Tongue, which the slaver assumed was Dany’s language because she’s from Westeros. He talked freely only because he thought Dany didn’t know Valyrian at all.

  85. The Young Wolf
    Posted November 2, 2012 at 7:37 pm | Permalink

    Conor:
    Someone else posted it again, watch while it’s still up!

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AB9YwpW2ML0

    Hopefully this is still up in a couple of hours when I can get to a computer with working audio!

  86. WildSeed
    Posted November 2, 2012 at 8:12 pm | Permalink

    bon:
    WildSeed,

    Wester and Southern Slavic languages are very influenced by Latin. Eastern Slavic languages are influenced by Greek.

    So are parts of Africa, but yes, you are correct about influenced features of the Slavic
    language. It was recently determined that the many languages spoken in India ,
    have a eastern influence ( thanks to the Turks and Ottoman Empires ). Many
    countrymen from Bangladesh depict some Turk ancestry.

    In the American South, Scottish and Viking genealogy is not uncommon. The world
    is made up of places explored and conquered.

  87. WildSeed
    Posted November 2, 2012 at 8:20 pm | Permalink

    The Young Wolf: Hopefully this is still up in a couple of hours when I can get to a computer with working audio!

    Just watched, merci beaucoup !

  88. Abyss
    Posted November 2, 2012 at 8:35 pm | Permalink

    Found another behind the scenes video. It’s short, has low resolution and no sound, but I thought, I post it anyway…

  89. AlexBaratheon
    Posted November 2, 2012 at 8:49 pm | Permalink

    Missed the video….boooooo!

    Sounds exciting from all the write ups

    AB

  90. The Dragon Demands
    Posted November 2, 2012 at 9:19 pm | Permalink

    WildSeed,

    I missed out on listening to the aforementioned recording, but I think you
    misunderstand what is intrinsically Latin. Midieval Latin is very conservative,
    so much so that an audience would fall asleep listening to a simple conversation.

    ….Medieval Latin is not very conservative. After Classical Latin, Medieval Latin *mutated wildly*. Massive influx of new words from Greek and Hebrew, it invented a new simplified method of Indirect Discourse, usage of demonstrative pronouns grew so chaotic that they were almost being used as definite pronouns. *Renaissance Latin*, in contrast, is when it got conservative and became a “dead language” — rather than a living vibrant language like Medieval, they deliberately “froze it in time” by going back to the “Latin of Cicero and Virgil” as the standard (Ad Fontes!).

    Although Spanish , Portuguese and French bear closer linguistic features to Latin,
    Italian and innumerable others are indeed Latin derived. Understanding this as a
    rule, helped me tremendously when attempting other Romance languages, thank
    goodness this concept was taught in grammar school. In spite of growing up with
    a derivative French language spoken at home, the relatively easy transition to
    another language proved correct.

    Actually, Italian is the closest to Latin, with Spanish also relatively close. Its actually French which made the most drastic changes from Latin.

    Huh, I’d heard that about Greek/Macedonian (Macedonian is supposed to be pronounced Makedonian but everybody uses a soft c), never knew that Latin had a hard C.

    (ugh). *Classical Latin* is pronounced with hard C, hard G, and V’s that sound like W’s.
    *Ecclesiastical Latin * (more or less interchangeable with what is meant by “Medieval Latin”), changed to include pronunciation of soft C, soft G, and V sounds like V now.

    Thus “caelum” (heaven) in Classical Latin is “Kay-lum”, while in Medieval Latin it become “chay-lum” (C becomes CH before ae vowel cluster).

    Lets drop all illusions: Valyria is blatantly the Roman Republic analogue of A Song of Ice and Fire.

    High Valyrian is like Latin to them. “Low Valyrian” isn’t even really one language so much as a group of languages, but the question is, will the TV show simplify this?

    Some have theorized that they might simplify it and have Dany pretend she only speaks High Valyrian; that wont’ work because Dany spent her whole life in the Free Cities, and the books state she does know several of the Low Valyrians of the Free Cities. That scenario for a scene would be a fun idea though; Dany not quite understanding their Ghiscari Valyrian. But instead of attempting to speak “High Valyrian” first, she should try speaking “Pentoshi” first, etc. etc.

    Peterson has stated that he isn’t developing High Valyrian as a language, for Season 3 at least. That doesn’t mean we won’t hear parts of it, but only stuff we heard in the books — i.e. how we heard “dracarys” in Season 2.

  91. Bannerless Bro
    Posted November 2, 2012 at 9:22 pm | Permalink

    Am I the only one that thinks that valyrian sounds a little like gaelic?

  92. Cary Storm
    Posted November 2, 2012 at 9:28 pm | Permalink

    Abyss:
    Found another behind the scenes video. It’s short, has low resolution and no sound, but I thought, I post it anyway…

    Now if we can find someone who can interpret what is either likely French Sign Language, the Maghreb equivalent or Arabic Sign language!

  93. Ours is the Fury
    Posted November 2, 2012 at 9:39 pm | Permalink

    I wouldn’t worry about missing the original filming video, it’s already on youtube on at least two different accounts already, aside from the original one. Just look for it, or check the tumblr Game of Thrones tag.

    I’ll add the sign language video to tumblr to see if we can find anyone who understands the sign language.

  94. Bannerless Bro
    Posted November 2, 2012 at 9:40 pm | Permalink

    Cary Storm,

    I thought he was just joking with gangsta signs.

  95. Ours is the Fury
    Posted November 2, 2012 at 9:49 pm | Permalink

    “Sourd” means deaf. He’s got another video on his acct of him on set, but it’s very low quality and you can’t see anything interesting beyond a plain shield.

  96. Abyss
    Posted November 2, 2012 at 10:48 pm | Permalink

    Cary Storm,
    Ours is the Fury,

    Lol, like Bannerless Bro I thought they are just very gesticulative speakers. :-))

  97. bon
    Posted November 2, 2012 at 10:52 pm | Permalink

    WildSeed,

    I was thinkig that it was conversation about languages not conquering or blood connections.
    About India. No. Here you are wrong. Languages in India have different genealogy and have no connection with Tukish, because Turkish is not even an indoeuropean language it is Altaic language. Just like Finnish, Estonian and Hungarian, which are Uralic languages. People of India have more in common with Persians and their langauge not Turks. I was talking more about cultural influences that impact on the language – Croatian, Czech, Slovakian, Polish are languages with many words taken from Latin. Very close to them are Lithuanian and Latvian (Baltic languages) even are very familiar in many words with ancient Latin, because they are probably closest to the first indoeuropean languages in which our ancestors spoke. There was even a legend that after defeat of Pompei the Great 500 Romans escaped on ships from Ceasars opression and landed on lithuanian shores and created Lithuanian nation. Many Lithuanian noble families were even thinking that they were distant cousins of such noble Italians families as Collona and Pazzi.

  98. David
    Posted November 2, 2012 at 11:06 pm | Permalink

    Is anyone else disappointed in Whitebeard’s beard?

  99. Tyrion Pimpslap
    Posted November 2, 2012 at 11:34 pm | Permalink

    David,

    It’s white. I don’t see a problem with it. So it isn’t long and flowing. Big deal. How much time has passed since he disappeared in season 1? Maybe a year. Is an old man really going to grow a long beard in that amount of time?

  100. David
    Posted November 2, 2012 at 11:51 pm | Permalink

    Tyrion Pimpslap,

    I am sure you are right. I just imagined something more impressive.

  101. Bannerless Bro
    Posted November 3, 2012 at 12:14 am | Permalink

    David,

    I never imagined a Gandalf, but yeah, that beard could have been larger.
    I also imagined him with that headgear used under the helmets. No idea why, it just looked cool in my head for a knight pretending to be a knight-wannabe old man.

  102. David
    Posted November 3, 2012 at 12:16 am | Permalink

    Bannerless Bro,

    Like that knight at the end of Last Crusade.

  103. Dennis
    Posted November 3, 2012 at 12:18 am | Permalink

    It really is cool to see the amount of extras, set work, etc. that is done for this show. I am just now watching Rome (at episode 7 of S1 thus far) and it’s funny to think how much money they say that show cost yet so far they skipped over every battle and both cast and locations have been far more limited in variation than GoT. It makes me realize how ridiculously amazing the production value of GoT is. Don’t get me wrong, Rome is pretty sweet in its own right but to think Rome was partially canceled due to cost I really hope GoT will never befall the same fate. We are very lucky to be able to look forward to a S3 already, and hopefully many more to come so they can see out the rest of the books.

  104. telobsidion
    Posted November 3, 2012 at 12:49 am | Permalink

    Jacarb,

    Wow! Thank you for posting that. Like many of the people making comments on that video, I (as an American) feel like I should be able to understand what’s being said. If I wasn’t paying attention to the lyrics I don’t think I’d even realize that wasn’t American English. That’s truly genius.

  105. WildSeed
    Posted November 3, 2012 at 2:07 am | Permalink

    The Dragon Demands,

    I’ve read several works by linguist that conclude , as you do in part, that the
    Romance languages consists of bastardised Latin. On that note, Midieval
    Latin is considered conservative, compared to post Romanci influence.
    I’m not an expert, just referencing a few credentialed authors on the subject.

    As I dated once, an Indian and also a Bangladeshi professor and collegue,
    both living and working there, I consider them expert in that area of study.

    I did take a course ( in Berkeley CA ), about the study of Human Language,
    taught by J McWhorter, and he made a case for this as well. Nonetheless, I
    am no expert, but I find the subject intriguing . Mario Pei is another well known
    author that comes to mind. My field of study is Medicine, but I find understanding
    Culture and Language always relative to the patient.

    On your note about the Turks in Asia, really? Turkish and Persian cultures have
    mingled with Arab, Indian ( and Bengal )and Chinese cultures to create beautiful
    languages and dialect. Richer than any blend of spices. One has to ask, who
    did they Not conquer. I feel the same way about the Vikings, their influence reached
    all the to North America :D

  106. WildSeed
    Posted November 3, 2012 at 2:21 am | Permalink

    Ours is the Fury:
    I wouldn’t worry about missing the original filming video, it’s already on youtube on at least two different accounts already, aside from the original one. Just look for it, or check the tumblr Game of Thrones tag.

    I’ll add the sign language video to tumblr to see if we can find anyone who understands the sign language.

    Yes, I followed the link someone posted above. It would be interesting to have an
    expert ear to the translation.

    Why did WiC pull the video, was it because of the non official status ? I thought
    others were allowed.

  107. KG
    Posted November 3, 2012 at 4:45 am | Permalink

    I thought Valyria was more Egyptian, but that could just be my imagination colliding with your imagination :D

  108. Joshua Taylor
    Posted November 3, 2012 at 8:21 am | Permalink

    Dennis,

    I know! I really wanted to see Pharsalus. They do Philipii in season 2!

  109. bon
    Posted November 3, 2012 at 11:23 am | Permalink

    WildSeed,

    Turks, Persians and Arabs mostly don’t like aech other. Turks living in Turkey consider themselves more european. Turks in Europe consider themselves more islamic than their nation home. In Tukey despite they are muslims they eat venison especialy boar and drink alcohol and have ruling regime more in european style than other muslim states of region. They also speak comepletely different language than neighbours – Altaic language – like Mongols. Persians speak more like Europeans. Are genetically and linguistically closer to Kurds than to Arabs or Turks.

    About Bengali. How it can be possible that Turks somehow mixed with Bengali? They were not even neighbours. There was always Persian or Afghan/Pashtuni Empire between them, so how they were even abe to do that?

    I’m a histotian, more Centrla-Eastern Europe in Early modern Period (especialy Poland-Lithuanian Commonwealth in time of elective monarchs from Duchy of Saxony), but diplomatic relations of Poland with such a distant nations as Persians, nations of Caucasus mountains and Afghanistan and their history always interested me.

  110. WildSeed
    Posted November 3, 2012 at 4:16 pm | Permalink

    bon:
    WildSeed,

    Turks, Persians and Arabs mostly don’t like aech other. Turks living in Turkey consider themselves more european. Turks in Europe consider themselves more islamic than their nation home. In Tukey despite they are muslims they eat venison especialy boar and drink alcohol and have ruling regime more in european style than other muslim states of region. They also speak comepletely different language than neighbours – Altaic language – like Mongols. Persians speak more like Europeans. Are genetically and linguistically closer to Kurds than to Arabs or Turks.

    About Bengali. How it can be possible that Turks somehow mixed with Bengali? They were not even neighbours. There was always Persian or Afghan/Pashtuni Empire between them, so how they were even abe to do that?

    I’m a histotian, more Centrla-Eastern Europe in Early modern Period (especialy Poland-Lithuanian Commonwealth in time of elective monarchs from Duchy of Saxony), but diplomatic relations of Poland with such a distant nations as Persians, nations of Caucasus mountains and Afghanistan and their history always interested me.

    You sound very thoughtful about the subject of history , including impact of one
    nation’s influence over another’s. I’m also discerning a perspective based on
    modern history and it’s 20th century timelines, which may be limited, according
    to source. First, I am no historian, just a novice quite intrigued with the subject. I
    I am particularly interested in Islam and the historic crusades that took place
    from China to Egypt. I emailed my friend in Dakar, whom stated ” the
    sources of written account of Turkish invasion is innumerable “, he advised
    any basic search alluding to the facts. A good place to start would be the 13th
    century with the Khalji Rule in Bengal,and the impact of the Ilbaric Turks.
    This was more than an invasion, it was an occupation and rule. I knew of the
    century, but I look up the Khalji and Lakhnauti titles to be certain. There are
    excellent accounts in the ” National Encyclopedia of Bangladesh ” ( I have
    that source, somewhere stored away ).

    No one enjoys an occupation, animosity is common and often warranted. The
    tales will always be remembered or exaggerated for generations. When it
    comes to conquest of powerful nations , for whatever reason, borders may
    make for easy access, but certainly NOT a ” line drawn in the sand “.

    Happy reading , if you intend to research :D

  111. bon
    Posted November 3, 2012 at 10:11 pm | Permalink

    WildSeed,

    Thanks for explanation. I didn’t knew that Turks actually conquered India. I thought that from time of Arab to Mongol invasion they were able to defeat invading armies.

    For Europeans it’s harder to know many things about Asia and Africa, because of our europocentristic POV. There are not so many books, especially in all what was Block of “People Democracies”. For example most what I know about Africa is from archelogical books, because polish archeologists had very succefull researches in Egypt. If you will be in Abu Simbel remember that they saved and reconstructed it for world.

    About languages. You probably don’t know that in Warsaw is the second biggest in the world Institute of Meeting of the New and the Old World exploring History and Language of Mesoamerica, especially Aztecs and their language “nahuatl” called Latin of Mezoamerica. I leave you here a link. http://www.encounters.ibi.uw.edu.pl/en/About_Us.html

    Happy reading to you also.

  112. WildSeed
    Posted November 3, 2012 at 11:08 pm | Permalink

    bon,

    Thank you , esp for the reply and included weblink. The Nahuatl language is very
    interesting. In the Western US, there are many native Americans working hard
    to preserve their many languages. In Guatemala through Central America, native
    tongue is rarely spoken except in small indigent aggregates. To those embracing
    public schools, they are forced to learn only Spanish.As with English and German,
    broad based usage should be taught, but not at the expense of disassociating one’s
    native tongue. Languages and skillsets are disappearing every year or ruled obsolete.

    History and language identifies many things about human evolution, it’s also tainted
    with revisions and reappropriations. We need to preserve and record in an unbiased
    manner, taking note the mistakes learned from our predecessors. With language in particular, derivatives have become so mixed (like a chiasma ), it’s barely recognisable
    when compared to it’s origin. “Bastardised ” takes on a new meaning , for this and
    many things.

    Euro centric polarisation on academic studies is worldwide. In some Asian countries,
    this depends on the timeline. It’s unfortunate that many native Americans realise
    little about the Incas or native Africans their tribal kings, but efforts are improving
    to move beyond spoken histories, to record them. I’m due to visit New Zealand next
    year for a conference, but I’m really looking forward to saving up for an expedition to
    Machu Picchu. I’m certain I’m to learn more from the latter.

  113. Coltaine777
    Posted November 4, 2012 at 12:18 am | Permalink

    Conor: Someone else posted it again, watch while it’s still up!http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AB9YwpW2ML0

    thankyou…

  114. garyoldmanscrazypill
    Posted November 4, 2012 at 1:41 am | Permalink

    WildSeed

    Derivative french?

  115. WildSeed
    Posted November 4, 2012 at 2:09 am | Permalink

    garyoldmanscrazypill:
    WildSeed

    Derivative french?

    French Kreyol ( as spoken in Haiti. Some people refer to as Creole or Patois, or
    Africanised French .

  116. Aegon the Conqueror
    Posted November 4, 2012 at 2:59 am | Permalink

    David,

    If it’s beards we want to complain about, let’s complain about Pycelle’s beard or lack thereof.

  117. Joshua Taylor
    Posted November 4, 2012 at 9:26 am | Permalink

    People are complaining about Whitebeard’s beard? WTF? Seriously. Man I just can’t take some of you seriously at all. You have a skilled actor playing the role and the same actor as well. It’s clear he is going to rock it in this storyline and yet….to each your own people to each your own.

    I keep thinking about all the uproar with the casting of Stephen Dillane as Stannis and that turned out terrible didn’t it?

    Whatever makes conversation I suppose :-)

  118. WildSeed
    Posted November 4, 2012 at 4:52 pm | Permalink

    Thanks for adding the Update ( cast member post is breach of contract ).
    No further explanation is needed.

    Joshua Taylor- I’m just happy his beard is white. Now would that be platinum
    gray, or pewter ? Definitely not warranted of a debate, just a smile :D

  119. Tereeza777
    Posted November 4, 2012 at 9:25 pm | Permalink

    WildSeed: I’m due to visit New Zealand next year for a conference, but I’m really looking forward to saving up for an expedition to Machu Picchu. I’m certain I’m to learn more from the latter

    WildSeed,

    Machu Picchu is beautiful. For altitude sickness coca tea (mate de coca) might help – they even have coca granola bars, cookies and a coca drink called “Agwa de Bolivia” now – and it’s all legal down there. And don’t forget the aliens – could the Incas really have built all that or did they have help from far away?
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LJuy06HOl-c
    Que tenga buen viaje!

  120. P
    Posted November 5, 2012 at 12:06 am | Permalink

    WildSeed:

    It was recently determined that the many languages spoken in India ,
    have a eastern influence ( thanks to the Turks and Ottoman Empires ). Many
    countrymen from Bangladesh depict some Turk ancestry.

    Being fluent in two Indic languages, Malayalam and Hindi, I find this a rather odd comparison. Approximatly 78% of Indians speak Indo-Aryan languages which are much closly related to Balochi, Persian, Dari, Kurdish, Pashto, and Romani than Turkish. The second largest bracket, is the Dravidian languages which is spoken by roughly 21% of Indians is relatively native to the Indian subcontinent (with the exception of Brahui speakers who linger on the border of Iran and Pakistan).

    Just an example,
    English: One Two Three Four Five
    Turkish: Bir Iki Üc Dört Beş
    Romani: Yek Duy Trin Shtar Panj
    Persian: Yek Do Se Chahar Panj
    Hindi : Ek Do Tin Char Panch/Panj
    Malayalam: Onnu Randu Moonu Naalu Anchu/Anju

  121. WildSeed
    Posted November 5, 2012 at 4:17 am | Permalink

    P,

    I understand your point, and well taken. There is a common misunderstanding
    that influence implies ” exact ” word usage , or wholly recognisable in form.
    Scholarly research done in India, in association with other Linguist ( and
    Scientists ) , have concluded in some ways some languages are as different from
    each other as German is to English, given their grammatical gender and case endings.
    However their common origin and purpose , often reflect the ethnic identity of
    the contributing historic presence and original peoples.

    As for the Turkish influence , whether Ottoman or Medieval Arab periods, among
    western India, Bangladesh, etc. there is no question of genetic and language influence.
    An even stronger case can be made for Indo-European mixing, as their conquest
    stretched throughout other regions. Notably the Iranic and Kurdish diaspora as well.

    Common use may vary but remnants do remain. There are other factors , especially
    due to other political conquest, and influx of non natives. Civilisation is rarely static,
    our culture and habits evolve and occasionally render itself obsolete . It’s a noble
    effort IMO, to revive written proof of communication and scholarly thinking.

    In modern times such as these, the populace makes a practical decision to remain
    current with speech. We ‘re mostly indifferent to research such as this, unless there
    is an interest. For a long time I only spoke one language well, I had no concept that
    it was a derivative language until I followed my relative to her new home abroad,
    supposedly where the same tongue is spoken. That was a big surprise, and possibly
    sparked my interest to understand better. I have no illusions to becoming an expert.
    I do have close acquaintances in Dakar ( Bangladesh ) , New Delhi, Surat and
    Vishakhapatnam. One teaches Linguistics ( and has a brother in law that oversee
    textbook production for all the 61+ languages ) the rest are physicians. I have
    been enlightened, but I am no match for a native speaker. I do enjoy the
    Vande Mataram , especially traditionally sang , even here in California.
    Thank you for sharing your POV.

    The Post Topic was a nod to the Valyrian language spoken in an upcoming S3 GoT
    episode featuring Danerys. The language influence was suggested as Latin
    influenced, from a few posters and veered off course to other influences.

  122. Fienix
    Posted November 5, 2012 at 10:52 am | Permalink

    Actually, Italian is the closest to Latin, with Spanish also relatively close.Its actually French which made the most drastic changes from Latin.

    I beg to differ… have you heard Romanian or seen it written? It is VERY close to Latin, much more so than Italian, IMHO. Seriously, my company also has a plant in Romania, and my 4 years of Latin gets a workout whenever I have to correspond with someone over there!

  123. Joshua Taylor
    Posted November 5, 2012 at 11:36 am | Permalink

    Off topic but this is what HBO should use for the season 3 poster…just use shadows to hide all the blood and arrows.

    http://zippo514.deviantart.com/art/Young-Wolf-335304130

  124. WildSeed
    Posted November 5, 2012 at 3:01 pm | Permalink

    Tereeza777: WildSeed,

    Machu Picchu is beautiful. For altitude sickness coca tea (mate de coca)might help – they even have coca granola bars, cookies and a coca drink called “Agwa de Bolivia” now–and it’s all legal down there. And don’t forget the aliens–could the Incas really have builtall that or did they have help from far away?
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LJuy06HOl-c
    Que tenga buen viaje!

    I’ve copied these from you, thanks for the remedy. I was just gonna take
    crystallized ginger. The dizzying height is much more , I’m sure, from
    the heights experienced at Yosemite National Park. Thanks again.

  125. WildSeed
    Posted November 5, 2012 at 3:06 pm | Permalink

    Joshua Taylor:
    Off topic but this is what HBO should use for the season 3 poster…just use shadows to hide all the blood and arrows.


    http://zippo514.deviantart.com/art/Young-Wolf-335304130


    LOL. Thanks or at least, putting us back on target, for GoT at least :D

    I like the artwork, but it implies the DireWolf as victor to the Iron Throne.
    Maybe he’s just taking a well earned rest and keeping it warm. I’ve
    never liked that chair, it’s jinxed.

  126. WildSeed
    Posted November 5, 2012 at 3:32 pm | Permalink

    Fienix: I beg to differ… have you heard Romanian or seen it written?It is VERY close to Latin, much more so than Italian, IMHO.Seriously, my company also has a plant in Romania, and my 4 years of Latin gets a workout whenever I have to correspond with someone over there!

    The Romanian Language has been heavily influenced by Slavic features, but
    certainly bears similarities that you’ve witnessed. And I trust your opinion
    regarding what your familiarity with classic Latin.

    Most Linguist, I’ve read, consider most languages spoken today as ” bastardized”
    or derivative. Even within the same country, sublanguages and dialects render
    comprehension difficult. As foreign conquest , religious domination and slang
    ( including reappropriated terms ) terms become factors, there can be no
    end result to the development. As I’ve traveled, and attempted speaking the
    local phrases, accents and dialect were the least of my worry. I had problems
    getting the locals to understand each other, if they were from different regions.

    I applaud the work of scholarly research in this field, our language says much
    about our ethnicity and culture, with the evolution firmly in place. I’m in awe,
    but I have no illusions of understanding more than a minuscule amount of
    the concept. The reports have become, politically charged, even controversial,
    so don’t expect the arguments to be settled soon.

    I’m just happy to speak so that someone comprehends me, for the moment.
    Just show me the salle de bains ( bathroom ).

  127. bon
    Posted November 5, 2012 at 8:09 pm | Permalink

    WildSeed,

    Only 30% of Romanian words have Slavic rootes, only 10% more than French words are in English. Mostly words describing animals and emotional states, some words describing family relations, strong emotional terms when feelings are involved, verbs to describe actions and changes of state. Latin origin have terms related to cattlebreeding, but agronomy and urban life o Slavic. Numbers 1-10 have Latin origin, but 11-20 are Slavic. For example 11 is one-above-ten, not like in Latinized world single world not showing number ten in that word. Romanian has also phonetic thing called “iotation”, which is specific for Slavic languages. Slavs reintroduced also hard “h” sound into Romanian. In Latin languages it disappeard.

  128. Joshua Taylor
    Posted November 5, 2012 at 9:10 pm | Permalink

    WildSeed,
    That’s the point. Newbies will think oh this is the Starks time to shine! When in fact or gets worse…much worse. A shadowed version of a pic like this will tell the Book Reader “oh shit they are going all the way on this!” It’s a ballsy move but worth it in my opinion.

  129. WildSeed
    Posted November 5, 2012 at 11:43 pm | Permalink

    bon:
    WildSeed,

    Only 30% of Romanian words have Slavic rootes, only 10% more than French words are in English. Mostly words describing animals and emotional states, some words describing family relations, strong emotional terms when feelings are involved, verbs to describe actions and changes of state. Latin origin have terms related to cattlebreeding, but agronomy and urban life o Slavic. Numbers 1-10 have Latin origin, but 11-20 are Slavic. For example 11 is one-above-ten, not like in Latinized world single world not showing number ten in that word. Romanian has also phonetic thing called “iotation”, which is specific for Slavic languages. Slavs reintroduced also hard “h” sound into Romanian. In Latin languages it disappeard.

    I understand what you’re saying. Most experts would consider 30% a high
    number, but your regular encounters add more interest. I caution you however,
    as study modes include more than whole words or obvious links to the
    original. I think this is why so many students argue a particular point,
    especially if somewhat familiar with the region in question. Linguist believe
    most languages a vulgarized ( hate that term)form of lesser Latin, often
    referenced as Romance language. Classic Latin is purer than Midieval Latin.

    Linguist and historians , if free from bias and political influences, collect
    an incredible amount of data and consult with anthropologists ( the best
    ones do ) to augment their findings. Their work still may be challenged
    however, as any scientific method applies. The work also remains controversial
    because historical fact is slower to be ascertained and less reproducible.

    Anyway, thanks for the insights. I’m surprised that I remembered this much.
    I still make faces when I recall my professor stating to me ” that I speak a
    bastardized form of french “. I am less reactionary to the term, but I understand
    fully he meaning behind it. For what it’s worth, the longer I stay in the States,
    the more my family says that I now “talk funny”, whatever……….. !

  130. WildSeed
    Posted November 5, 2012 at 11:58 pm | Permalink

    Joshua Taylor,

    The deviant art work isn’t sanctioned by the production, but I agree that
    the fandom is lining up to support House Stark. The show runners are
    quite aware of this, no doubt, whatever promotes the show. The
    merchandise departments are swelling up as well. Reminds me of
    McDonalds Happy Meals, hyping the movie and all products associated.
    Those are outlawed in California, btw :D

    We know there will be blood, much of it. Tears will flow in S3,
    as much as it did for Ned’s beheading. Are you one for House Stark in
    the end game? I’m trying my best to remain neutral, I do have reactionary
    moments with Cersei, but hell, I must have one thing to swear at :D

  131. WildSeed
    Posted November 6, 2012 at 12:10 am | Permalink

    Stannisdoes not bend:
    Jacarb,

    Check out this http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vt4Dfa4fOEY

    This is how we sound to the Brits!

    This is awesome!
    Thanks for the link, I mistook it earlier for the Valyrian video.

  132. Joshua Taylor
    Posted November 6, 2012 at 8:49 am | Permalink

    WildSeed,

    That’s what I love about ASOIAF, no one is wrong, no one is right. Each House has people you positively root for and others that are truly despicable specimens of humanity. I truly am perplexed on what the End Game will be or if there is an End Game at all. Maybe it will end like The Wire where people are merely replaced by others in their respective roles in the master plan.

    As Omar say: “it’s all in the game yo! It’s all in the game!”

  133. WildSeed
    Posted November 6, 2012 at 5:29 pm | Permalink

    Joshua Taylor,

    Wow, this is so ……accurate ! The game ……. a slice of reality.

  134. The Dragon Demands
    Posted November 8, 2012 at 11:29 am | Permalink

    WildSeed:
    I’ve read several works by linguist that conclude , as you do in part, that the
    Romance languages consists of bastardised Latin. On that note, Midieval
    Latin is considered conservative, compared to post Romanci influence.
    I’m not an expert, just referencing a few credentialed authors on the subject.

    …what “works”? No. Saying Medieval Latin is conservative, *relative* to the Romance languages” is like saying that Latin is just bastardized Proto-Indo European”.

    Medieval Latin is NOT “conservative”…..because the obvious emphasis is a comparison to *Classical Latin*, not Romance Languages which *by definition* are entirely separate languages. Medieval Latin is still “Latin” and not “French”, not mutually intelligible. They shouldn’t be included on the same scale, and thus it is impossible to say that Medieval Latin is “conservative relative to French”. Yikes.

    So are parts of Africa, but yes, you are correct about influenced features of the Slavic
    language. It was recently determined that the many languages spoken in India ,
    have a eastern influence ( thanks to the Turks and Ottoman Empires ). Many
    countrymen from Bangladesh depict some Turk ancestry.

    As for the Turkish influence , whether Ottoman or Medieval Arab periods, among
    western India, Bangladesh, etc. there is no question of genetic and language influence.
    An even stronger case can be made for Indo-European mixing, as their conquest
    stretched throughout other regions. Notably the Iranic and Kurdish diaspora as well.

    There isn’t much “Turkic” composition in India’s languages, as pointed out:

    Being fluent in two Indic languages, Malayalam and Hindi, I find this a rather odd comparison. Approximatly 78% of Indians speak Indo-Aryan languages which are much closly related to Balochi, Persian, Dari, Kurdish, Pashto, and Romani than Turkish. The second largest bracket, is the Dravidian languages which is spoken by roughly 21% of Indians is relatively native to the Indian subcontinent (with the exception of Brahui speakers who linger on the border of Iran and Pakistan).

    India’s languages are, generally, Indo-European in the north and Dravidian in the south.

    Yes, there is some regionalized Turkic/Arabic influence.

    But the key here is the difference between “influence” and “composition”. English is fundamentally a Germanic language, influenced by Romance French….but it still has SOME “Celtic” influence. Yet this is only minor.

    Similarly, while there are indeed some Turkic linguistic elements that have filtered to India over the centuries, you’re really over-emphasizing them.

    The point was that High Valyrian is like Latin, the Low Valyrian of the Free Cities is like Western European Romance Languages, but the Ghiscari-influenced low-valyrian of Slaver’s Bay should be noticeably different.


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