Alfie Allen talks Theon with Wired
By Winter Is Coming on in Press.

Wired has posted a video interview with Alfie Allen where he talks about his character, Theon. Not much new revealed here, but Alfie is always entertaining.

Winter Is Coming: This is probably a good post to open up discussion on Theon. I don’t think it is any great surprise to say that we haven’t seen the last of the only living son of Balon Greyjoy. What do you expect from Theon’s arc this season?


68 Comments

  1. mags giantsbabe
    Posted January 4, 2013 at 11:21 am | Permalink

    First? I haven’t seen the interview yet, but I would expect some character building around ‘boy’. And after reading his chapters in aDwD, I really can’t wait to see what will be done with the character or how he will be reintroduced and how boy will be introduced to him. And to the audience ;)

  2. M
    Posted January 4, 2013 at 11:22 am | Permalink

    What do you expect from Theon’s arc this season?

    Well, on my part, lots of lying under the coffee table sobbing.

  3. Master B
    Posted January 4, 2013 at 11:30 am | Permalink

    Since Theon is not seen in A Storm of Swords, I am wondering how the executive producers and writers will incorporate Alfie into the season. Scenes with Ramsey Snow?

  4. Anonymous Ed
    Posted January 4, 2013 at 11:33 am | Permalink

    I’m really at a loss to predict how D&D will handle Theon is Season 3. I expect we will see some torture – perhaps the removal of finger skin, that skin Roose offers Catelyn at the Twins before the RW – but they will need to do a bit more to give him an arc.

    Perhaps one or two failed escape attempts? A love interest behind bars (LOL)? Should be interesting though.

  5. lightning lord
    Posted January 4, 2013 at 11:35 am | Permalink

    Really looking forward to seeing what happens to theon now. I mean I can’t wait to see him with the BOB

  6. Rickon Greyjoy
    Posted January 4, 2013 at 11:39 am | Permalink

    I’ll agree with Ed. I think we’ll see “Boy” allow Theon and others to escape just to hunt them down again as is referred to in the books. And perhaps we’ll see some of the story that was missing from ACoK with Reek 1, or 2 and Lady Hornwood and what not. Almost certain there will be torture scenes. I read that there was a scene filmed with the actor playing “Boy” and Theon on the rack.

  7. Mrs. H'ghar
    Posted January 4, 2013 at 11:47 am | Permalink

    WhAtever we see of Theon is sure to be interesting as he is one of the most comPlex characters & Alfie has really stepped up in S2. Soon my friends, soon!

  8. sunspear
    Posted January 4, 2013 at 11:56 am | Permalink

    I’m expecting Theon to have about as much screen time as Jaime did last season, consisting of:

    -Getting tricked by Ramsey into talking about what happened to the Stark kids.
    -Losing a finger to flaying.
    -Escape.
    -Recapture.
    -Losing more fingers to flaying.
    -Learning his name.

  9. Grijnwaald
    Posted January 4, 2013 at 12:05 pm | Permalink

    Rickon Greyjoy,

    Please cover up any potential spoilers from now on please.

  10. Jamie
    Posted January 4, 2013 at 12:08 pm | Permalink

    I expect that his character will be cut. Also stabbed, beaten, flayed…

  11. sannael
    Posted January 4, 2013 at 12:19 pm | Permalink

    Personally I reckon Theon is one of the most interesting characters in the whole saga. His inner struggle and choice to betray Robb was so well done by Allen on the show, I can’t wait to see how he’ll convey the hell Theon’s about to go through… I’m so glad Theon’s still alive for book six!

  12. AdrianAegon
    Posted January 4, 2013 at 12:20 pm | Permalink

    I am a fan of the theory in wich Theon at first is being introduced to Reek as a fellow prisoner, and they escape only to find out that Reek is actually Ramsay. The whole torture thing during multiple episodes will be hard to watch even if Theon betrayed Robb. Some people might even say he deserved it, especially after RW will happen.
    I really am curios on how will D&D extend their story beyond the torture interactions. One certain guess (imo) would be that Theon’s story will not be extended for more than 6 episodes. I don’t know what they could add to it. But, hey, looking at Dany’s story in S2, anything is possible.

  13. Patchy Face
    Posted January 4, 2013 at 12:23 pm | Permalink

    Not sure how Theon’s arc will be portrayed but really like that Wired called GoT “HBO’s epic fantasy masterpiece.”. Best description of series so far.

  14. Currer Bell
    Posted January 4, 2013 at 12:34 pm | Permalink

    Is it possible that D & D will answer in the program questions that book readers have, like

    What else besides fingers did Ramsey cut off Theon?

    If Talesa dies at the RW, that tells us that Jeyne Westerling is not pregnant.

  15. Grijnwaald
    Posted January 4, 2013 at 12:43 pm | Permalink

    AdrianAegon,

    Seriously Dude, spoilers! Oðin’s beard!

  16. The Dear Hunter
    Posted January 4, 2013 at 12:51 pm | Permalink

    Well I think it is safe to assume that if Theon is going to undergo as drastic of a “transformation” (which is one way to put it I suppose) as seen in the books we won’t see too much of him this season. It’s going to have to feel like some amount of time has passed, so it wouldn’t surprise me if we got some scenes to develop “boy” and possibly only some reference to Theon. But beyond that, I couldn’t see more than 4 scenes spaced throughout the season and have to admit that a certain hunt would be a great first scene (post FOTFM) of the season.

  17. Stephen R. Hanlon
    Posted January 4, 2013 at 1:00 pm | Permalink

    I suspect “Boy” will manipulate Theon on the journey back to the Dreadfort, under the guise of a fellow prisoner, by luring him into a psychological trap. “Boy” could praise the true heir of the Iron Islands and inflate his pride just enough to the point Theon, while perhaps not trusting him, tolerates him. “Boy” then earns his trust by staging an escape attempt and releasing Theon from his cell…only to flip the script, hunt him down, and reveal his true character……

  18. Cary Storm
    Posted January 4, 2013 at 1:29 pm | Permalink

    Grijnwaald,

    To be honest, I think this is one of those topics that our mods should have left open for spoilers, since it lends itself to it, and I don’t see very much non-reader discussion happening here.

  19. Ours is the Fury
    Posted January 4, 2013 at 2:03 pm | Permalink

    It is possible to speculate on what will happen without having read the books. It’s good to not exclude the non-readers from discussion.

    Btw, Iwan Rheon has a new interview in Wonderland magazine. It’s not much, but it has one question about GoT:
    “A lot has happened and although you can’t reveal your character, how has filming Game of Thrones been?

    It was brilliant, I really enjoyed. It’s such an epic production. It was really cool to do something different. I really like the show and watched it all in a week when I got offered the part. I was gutted at the end of the second series, I wanted to know what happens but had to wait until we got scripts.”
    Can’t wait to see his scenes with Theon, and the Reek reveal. If he isn’t Reek, that would be an incredible shock.

  20. Lin Beifunk
    Posted January 4, 2013 at 2:14 pm | Permalink

    I wonder what they’re gonna do with the Ironborn in general, personally. Is it going to feel jarring for non-readers to see Asha/Yara suddenly become a main character, or will they leave that out completely?

  21. M
    Posted January 4, 2013 at 2:43 pm | Permalink

    Anonymous Ed,

    Good grief. That is a ‘love’ scene that I would gladly skip.

  22. Zack
    Posted January 4, 2013 at 2:44 pm | Permalink

    sunspear,

    Sounds about right. I wonder if ‘Boy’ will initially pose as a fellow captive for Theon to escape with, or if we’ll see Ramsay hunt ‘Kyra’ (I think that was her name?) or those kinds of scenes. Plenty of stuff was brought up in book 5 that they could just feature ‘as it happens’ instead of requiring them to be flashbacks in a later season. That’s the kind of scene I primarily expect for Theon this year. All the stuff we know happened from Theon thinking back to it from ADWD.

    As for the character, he’s not likable, but for me he’s at least one of the series’ great successes as a portrayal of a sympathetic, tragic character. And Alfie plays him flawlessly.

  23. Dave
    Posted January 4, 2013 at 2:49 pm | Permalink

    Currer Bell,

    “If Talesa dies at the RW, that tells us that Jeyne Westerling is not pregnant.”

    Where does this come from?

  24. Yellow Dog
    Posted January 4, 2013 at 2:58 pm | Permalink

    Got to admit I hate Theon so much I can’t even enjoy Aflie’s tremendous acting. And no, I’m not the only one. A friend I persuaded to read all the books agrees with me that Theon is irredeemable and nothing that happens to him is bad enough.

    Unfortunately, I am handicapped by being unable to tolerate torture scenes of any kind – even when the subject is Theon. I had to fast-forward through Harrenhal’s scenes, and I’m dreading Theon’s.

  25. Noob Takes the Black
    Posted January 4, 2013 at 3:02 pm | Permalink

    I think they could make it so while Theon is captured, he’s not immediately tortured/flayed/etc., but thinks, at first, he can talk his way out of his situation with the Boltons. That’s a perfectly fine opportunity for some exposition and then a few episodes in his situation can go down the tubes completely into what we know happened off-stage in Book 3.

  26. WildSeed
    Posted January 4, 2013 at 3:05 pm | Permalink

    Speculation is all readers and viewers may do at this juncture. The GoT series
    continues to hold interesting revisions unbeknownst to readers to discuss
    , and far reaching ( wild ) speculation for viewers fascinated with last season’s finale.
    All this makes for reasonable discussion, all around.

    However, I do agree with Grijnwaald . The rules here are noted just above the
    comment field ( if forgotten or ignored reading the about this site ) for all to see.
    If (unofficial) proposed changes are known for specific scenes (not yet rendered)
    for future episodes, it would be best to hide this in spoiler mode and as a courtesy
    to non readers. Bear in mind that some non book readers/ viewers are
    anxious for any discovery irrespect of the reveal, that’s their choice.

    I applaud the setup here because it works, although some will always circumvent
    the rules of courtesy to forward a certain agenda. The Disclaimer for ” Contains
    Spoilers” is clearly indicated with Subject Posts, to alert those that wish to be.
    For this interview, Rheon and Allen aren’t giving much away.

  27. Turncloak
    Posted January 4, 2013 at 3:10 pm | Permalink

    I for one am a fan of Theon Turncloak. My guess is that Theon will find out exactly how the ones that give Ramsay good sport get to come back as bitches. Don’t think there is a crueler character in the book than him.

  28. King DBC
    Posted January 4, 2013 at 3:27 pm | Permalink

    I think Theon will get to know Boy as Reek… After he finds out who Boy is, Boy will torture him until he reveals that the Stark boys are still alive, even if that’s not why they tortured him… Boy will then pursue the Stark boys, which will force them to split up… Osha and Rickon will have to part with Bran, Hodor, Meera and Jojen… Then the next issue would be making up screen time for Osha, Rickon and Shaggy Dog! Just a thought!

  29. Quowala
    Posted January 4, 2013 at 3:34 pm | Permalink

    I think there will be a few scenes of Theon in prison opening up to “Reek”. They plan an escape together and break out of the prison. After same chasing Reek reveals his deception and that he is in fact Ramsey. He then re-imprisons Theon and begin the torture and flaying. Theon’s last scene of the series could be when he learns his new name. People want to see Theon punished and seeing him in prison to begin with will give them satisfaction. When he escapes they will be annoyed and then when he is re imprisoned and is flayed, mutilated, tortured and broken people will begin to pity him. It will defintely be less of a character arc than last season but its more than Jaime got last season. (I’m thinking Theon and Jaime are going to swap in terms of screen time from last season)

  30. King DBC
    Posted January 4, 2013 at 3:35 pm | Permalink

    Currer Bell,

    I doubt that Talisa will die. I know many disapprove of her, but I think she was done better for the show than an out-of-nowhere marriage to the Westerling girl would have been on screen. The show is making you like her (I know, all the more reason to kill her), though some of my non-reader friends still thinks she’s a spy… The show can luckily use her as they want, but I think she’ll be pretty pregnant sometime in S4 or 5, so then a big thing will be keeping her safe. And should the books say Westerling is not pregnant, Talisa could just die or have lied the whole time to stay alive!

  31. Mrs. H'ghar
    Posted January 4, 2013 at 3:45 pm | Permalink

    King DBC,

    That’s the way this woman thought of Theon’s possible arc as well, and this would lead to more opportunities to expand Rickon’s story a bit.

  32. Teproc
    Posted January 4, 2013 at 4:06 pm | Permalink

    Stephen R. Hanlon,

    That seems like a good way to sum up the Reek plot for ACoK that was cut in season 2. I like it.

  33. sunspear
    Posted January 4, 2013 at 4:11 pm | Permalink

    Mrs. H’ghar,

    I doubt they’ll want to expand Osha and Rickon much beyond this season. Once they go off to Skagos, they can leave them out of the show until season six. Heck, they’re probably going to leave the Blackfish, Talisa, and Edmure go until late season 5.

  34. Jaime Saltcliff
    Posted January 4, 2013 at 4:46 pm | Permalink

    Master B,

    Expect changes to Theon’s arc this season in that not only will he be present at the RW but he may play a pivotal part in its cruelty. This could be a great opportunity to mess with Theon’s psyche even further and bookend his relationship with Robb. Also, I doubt he’ll be depraved enough to call himself Reek until well into Season 4. You can’t expect an entire season of just torture. Theon will be used by the Bolton’s for their plans.

  35. Yellow Dog
    Posted January 4, 2013 at 4:47 pm | Permalink

    Jaime Saltcliff,

    Yikes. That might make people hate Theon so much that nothing that happens later will earn him any sympathy.

    The more I think about your speculation, the better I like it.

  36. sunspear
    Posted January 4, 2013 at 4:47 pm | Permalink

    Jaime Saltcliff,

    What? That makes absolutely no sense at all.

  37. See Lemoncakes
    Posted January 4, 2013 at 4:48 pm | Permalink

    Based in Iweon’s Wonderland comments it sounds like he was headhunter/offered the role with little or no audition? Seems like Nina etc…agreed with us all along.

  38. Tyrion Pimpslap
    Posted January 4, 2013 at 4:51 pm | Permalink

    King DBC,

    I don’t understand why people think Jeyne is pregnant. Her mom gave her moon tea every morning. And she is a captive of the Lannisters(I don’t believe the Blackfish took her with him). Even if she is pregnant the baby will be killed.

  39. Tyrion Pimpslap
    Posted January 4, 2013 at 4:54 pm | Permalink

    Jaime Saltcliff,

    Yeah, that would piss off a lot of people, myself included. There is no need to alter the RW in any way.

  40. The mighty hodor
    Posted January 4, 2013 at 5:15 pm | Permalink

    It will be silly to leave him out of season 3, he had such an important part in season 2 non book fans will be wanting to know what happens..

    I suspect they could do something like what they did with Jamie in season 2.

  41. Maxwell James
    Posted January 4, 2013 at 5:41 pm | Permalink

    Jaime Saltcliff,

    Bold idea! Not sure what I think of it, but I agree that it would be a waste if they just show him getting tortured. Jaime did figure into the plot of S2, after all.

  42. Grijnwaald
    Posted January 4, 2013 at 6:29 pm | Permalink

    Cary Storm,

    And yet here I stand. This may be an “at your own risk” type of site, but it really isn’t all that difficult to cover up spoilers now is it?

  43. Maester Victor
    Posted January 4, 2013 at 6:30 pm | Permalink

    I can’t wait for Theon to “learn his name”, flee, and not escape his punishment. I think D&D have an incredible opportunity to show the darkest of human desires and emotions with “boy” and Reek; don’t back off, give it to us D&D! (Aside: I also loved the grey-blue t-shirt Alfie has on, it reminds me of the colour of Balon’s would-be sealskin outfits, lol)

  44. Nezzer
    Posted January 4, 2013 at 6:36 pm | Permalink

    AdrianAegon:
    I am a fan of the theory in wich Theon at first is being introduced to Reek as a fellow prisoner, and they escape only to find out that Reek is actually Ramsay. The whole torture thing during multiple episodes will be hard to watch even if Theon betrayed Robb. Some people might even say he deserved it, especially after RW will happen.
    I really am curios on how will D&D extend their story beyond the torture interactions. One certain guess (imo) would be that Theon’s story will not be extended for more than 6 episodes. I don’t know what they could add to it. But, hey, looking at Dany’s story in S2, anything is possible.

    Yeah, this is also my favorite option for his plotline and the most likely to happen. I’m very eager to see Ramsay playing mind games with Theon. I hope somehow they connect his storyline with Bran’s and Rickon’s, like the kids meeting some hostile Northmen in their journey or Ramsay sending men after them. Anything to put them in danger.

    Am I the only book reader excited with having no idea what’s going to happen? A small part of me still fears D&D might screw up, but overall I’m really excited with this change.

  45. Tyrion Pimpslap
    Posted January 4, 2013 at 7:17 pm | Permalink

    My problem with Ramsey acting like a prisoner to fool Theon is that it is completely unnecessary. In the books it was necessary for Ramsey to pretend to be Reek because he would have been killed otherwise. Why would he pretend to be a prisoner when he doesn’t have to? Also, I don’t think the name Reek will ever be used in the show.

  46. King Tommen
    Posted January 4, 2013 at 7:23 pm | Permalink

    I think that the ambiguity in the S2 finale of what exactly happened at Winterfell (re: the sack) and who was ultimately responsible gives a large hint as to what might be happening in S3.

    Unlike the books, I think it’s not going to be made clear that Ramsey was the one who sacked Winterfell and took Theon, at least initially. The show was careful to not show any Ironborn amongst the dead in the finale as Bran was surveying the damage. I think Theon (and the audience) will be given some kind of plausible explanation of what happened at Winterfell (he was unconscious and had his head covered the whole time so he wouldn’t have any idea). This explanation will probably lay blame somewhere other than at Ramsay. Theon’s place of imprisonment will be undetermined and I guess there will not even be a mention of the Dreadfort until after the fellow prisoner (boy) reveals himself as Ramsay.

    The show needs to do this because revealing that Ramsay sacked Winterfell implicates Roose immediately since he was the one who swore to Robb that his bastard would retake Winterfell and save the boys. I don’t think they want to show Roose’s true colors until much closer to the RW. In fact, I wouldn’t be surprised if Ramsay revealing himself to Theon will be in E9 just prior to the RW going down and Roose betraying Robb.

  47. sunspear
    Posted January 4, 2013 at 8:07 pm | Permalink

    King Tommen,

    I don’t even think they need to have Ramsey lie about where Theon is being held. It would be just as easy to have Ramsey blame Theon’s crew, then torture him as punishment, and then have Ramsey tell the truth in the season finale.

  48. The Dear Hunter
    Posted January 4, 2013 at 8:17 pm | Permalink

    King Tommen,

    That sounds extremely likely and would keep the scenario enigmatic, much to my liking. I hope you are right!

  49. Matt
    Posted January 4, 2013 at 8:21 pm | Permalink

    Lin Beifunk:
    I wonder what they’re gonna do with the Ironborn in general, personally. Is it going to feel jarring for non-readers to see Asha/Yara suddenly become a main character, or will they leave that out completely?

    They better not leave that storyline out. Asha in my opinion became one of the best ever characters in FFC and DWD. Omitting it would mean omitting one of the main highlights of those two books.

    I have a feeling though that it won’t be as ‘sudden’ as it is in the books. According to this site’s Q&A a few months back, Yara is going to be in at least one episode for S3. In Storm of Swords, we hear from one or two POVs that Asha has returned to the Iron Islands because of Balon’s death, so….maybe they’ll show this in the finale, and then create some new material for her in S4 (kinda like what they’re doing with Theon) that gradually leads into the whole FFC/DWD subplot.

  50. Zack
    Posted January 4, 2013 at 8:29 pm | Permalink

    Tyrion Pimpslap,

    I imagine he’d do it for shits and giggles, to fuck with Theon’s head because that’s just the type of charmer he is. If he can, posing as a prisoner, somehow trick a frightened and apparently subdued Theon into conspiring with ‘boy’ (another ‘terrified victim’) and subsequently attempting escape he’d be able to use that as some sort of mocking justification of the flaying/finger removing punishment. We all know he’d find some reason to torture him regardless, but this would at least give Ramsay a convenient explanation. And it would probably prove compelling television, especially to unsuspecting non-readers eager to sympathize with ‘boy.’ Who doesn’t love a good bit of false hope?

  51. King Tommen
    Posted January 4, 2013 at 10:22 pm | Permalink

    sunspear,

    If you’re keeping the identity of Ramsay in the dark for the sake of not outing Roose, then you need to come up with a reason why Winterfell was sacked completely, the Northmen abandoned it and that Theon is not on his way to Robb which were the orders Robb issued in S2 to Roose.

    The only thing that makes sense is to give the impression that the Northmen were defeated or driven away prior to being able to take the Ironborn. Perhaps it will be stated that Yara changed her mind and did finally arrive with reinforcements which allowed them to take the Northmen out and sack Winterfell. Theon could be manipulated to think that he was being imprisoned by his own kind at some indeterminate location, awaiting his father’s wrath.

    Or it could be a separate party altogether who came and took out the Northmen which the captors will be posing as prior to revealing themselves as Bolton men and the prison to be at the Dreadfort later on. Who knows?

    I think if they were going to reveal the culpability of the Boltons, they would have not left so much mystery as to what happened at Winterfell in the finale. It just comes off as needlessly confusing otherwise. I think the non-book reading audience will be manipulated (along with Theon) to believe that the Northmen failed in their mission and that Theon’s captors are a mystery group to be revealed later on.

  52. Josla
    Posted January 5, 2013 at 12:51 am | Permalink

    I think its going to be something like:

    - theon bonding with a female prisoner
    - theon and the female prisoner scaping, the girl flayed and killed
    - theon is left to starve and eats a rat
    - “Reek” is brought as a new prisoner, theon bonds with him
    - Theon reveals the truth about bran and rickon to reek and tries to scape again
    - Theon is flayed by a “mysterious” person in the darkness, the stark boys are persecuted
    - Finally Theon learns the person who’s been flaying him is “reek” who in turn is Ramsay
    - Roose’s treason at the red wedding follows inmediatly after

    They’re probably going to add some extra stuff for Theon this season, but I personally don’t think its going to be much different than people has already suggested in this thread. All in all I’m very excited to see his scenes since Theon is such a dramatic character

  53. Josla
    Posted January 5, 2013 at 12:54 am | Permalink

    Oops, it looks that I copied the italic text tags instead of the spoiler ones (LOL), sorry about that, but there is no option to edit my comment now…

  54. tweedie
    Posted January 5, 2013 at 5:16 am | Permalink

    Seven hells!

  55. Kaeth
    Posted January 5, 2013 at 5:19 am | Permalink

    nothing to exciting in the interview to be expected though with theon’s arc being one of the best in the series and the writers/producers adding there own personal touch to it. I’m sure he’s been forced to swear on the old gods and new that he won’t let anything juicy slip.

  56. mags giantsbabe
    Posted January 5, 2013 at 6:02 am | Permalink

    To whoever spoiler tagged my post, thanks, I did not think I was being so obvious and sorry.

    This interview in Interview Magazine happened a little while ago, but Kit Harington had this to say about Alfie’s arc this season, after he was asked about other favourite characters and who he would like to play besides Jon:

    “I quite like Alfie’s character; Theon’s a great sort of villainous, faulted human being, and he’s got some brilliant bits coming up this season.”

    Speculate away.

  57. Jake
    Posted January 5, 2013 at 9:03 am | Permalink

    Master B,

    You mustn’t call him that!

  58. Rygar
    Posted January 5, 2013 at 9:59 am | Permalink

    I hope Theon finally gets his change back from Ros this season. That brief shot of her crotch was not worth the dragon he threw her.

  59. WildSeed
    Posted January 5, 2013 at 2:38 pm | Permalink

    mags giantsbabe:
    To whoever spoiler tagged my post, thanks, I did not think I was being so obvious and sorry.

    This interview in Interview Magazine happened a little while ago, but Kit Harington had this to say about Alfie’s arc this season, after he was asked about other favourite characters and who he would like to play besides Jon:

    “I quite like Alfie’s character; Theon’s a great sort of villainous, faulted human being, and he’s got some brilliant bits coming up this season.”

    Speculate away.

    Your comments were not “obvious” in any way, but rather generalised, no
    apology needed. Whomever added the spoiler bars was responding in an
    over-zealous reaction.

    I can’t wait to see the brilliant bits that Kit spoke of, for Allen ( or Harrington ).

  60. Currer Bell
    Posted January 5, 2013 at 4:59 pm | Permalink

    Dave,

    If Telesa dies, Robb leaves no direct heir. One supposes that Jeyne Westerling could be pregnant, but for the show and the books to tie together, the baby must die so there is no direct heir. Robb’s having an heir is too important a plot point about who would inherit Winterfell (Bran, Rickon, Sansa, Jon Snow) for the show and the books to diverge so significantly.

  61. Monica
    Posted January 5, 2013 at 7:34 pm | Permalink

    Alfie was brilliant in Season 2. My best guess for Season 3 – torture and transition into Reek. What a meaty role! Can’t wait to see how he plays it…

  62. mags giantsbabe
    Posted January 6, 2013 at 1:35 am | Permalink

    Wildseed

    Well, I didn’t take it personally :D It’s just difficult to spoiler tag in order to have meaningful reader- conversations on my phone or post links to interviews.

  63. Jaime Saltcliff
    Posted January 6, 2013 at 5:56 am | Permalink

    Currer Bell,

    Rickon is inheriting Winterfell. That is all he’ll serve to the story of A Song of Ice and Fire. Bran is pretty much no longer human and ain’t no woman claiming Winterfell! That would mean a name change of Stark ownership in Winterfell when she marries a highborn. And for Jon Snow, well Jon Snow needs to be reborn and Azor Ashai some White Walkers!

  64. mariamb18
    Posted January 7, 2013 at 7:58 am | Permalink

    I agree with King Tommen. The ambiguity about what happened at Winterfell was designed to delay the reveal of Roose’s betrayal of Robb. We already know that his bastard son is headed there to “help out” and that’s all we need to know for the time being. Slowly, the extent of Roose’s betrayal will become obvious to the viewer…and to Theon.

    At some point, Theon also has to learn of Balon’s death because that also impacts Theon’s psyche as he realizes that no help is coming for him from the Ironborn.

  65. WildSeed
    Posted January 7, 2013 at 2:36 pm | Permalink

    King Tommen:
    I think that the ambiguity in the S2 finale of what exactly happened at Winterfell (re: the sack) and who was ultimately responsible gives a large hint as to what might be happening in S3.

    Unlike the books, I think it’s not going to be made clear that Ramsey was the one who sacked Winterfell and took Theon, at least initially.The show was careful to not show any Ironborn amongst the dead in the finale as Bran was surveying the damage.I think Theon (and the audience) will be given some kind of plausible explanation ofwhat happened at Winterfell (he was unconscious and had his head covered the whole time so he wouldn’t have any idea).This explanation will probably lay blame somewhere other than at Ramsay.Theon’s place of imprisonment will be undetermined and I guess there will not even be a mention of the Dreadfort until after the fellow prisoner (boy) reveals himself as Ramsay.


    The show needs to do this because revealing that Ramsay sacked Winterfell implicates Roose immediately since he was the one who swore to Robb that hisbastard would retake Winterfell and save the boys.I don’t think they want to show Roose’s true colors until much closer to the RW.In fact, I wouldn’t be surprised if Ramsay revealing himself to Theon will be in E9 just prior to the RW going down and Roose betraying Robb.

    I could see this as the case for ambiguity, especially where Bolton and “boy”
    is concerned. Showing will tell.

  66. Lord Noga
    Posted January 8, 2013 at 2:17 am | Permalink

    Spoilers, Spoilers, Spoilers, i dont know how to cover em up so ill be vague.
    Dont look down if u dont want spoilers. Big space in between so u dont read em.

    Btw who hasnt read all books yet? Get with the times!

    I see Theon and Boy filling the holes that the original Reek would of had in the book 2 if reek was around. E.g. Finding out bout starks, maybe filling in the hornwood part, and anything he talked bout in his first chapter from aDwD. Like his setup escape, we learn of ‘boy’s’ bitches and the ultimate fate of winterfell and its prisoners. A lot of torture will be imminent. A lot of sadistic Ramsay shown. Gonna be one hell of a story with those two and i expect it will be limited but intense and memorable. Badass i expect.

  67. Lord Noga
    Posted January 8, 2013 at 2:20 am | Permalink

    Think episode seven, titles Autumn Storms and directed or written by Martin is gonna be the big episode and RW. I u recall in the books it was raining the entire time on the way to that place where it all went down.

  68. Deme
    Posted January 8, 2013 at 9:41 am | Permalink

    But…the audience knows it was part of the Northern army outside the gates. The audience knows that the Ironborn abandoned Theon. Given the Ironborn’s reputation, not unthinkable that *they* tried to raze the castle and that might be the story Roose/Ramsay spins to Robb.

    With Bran and Rickon gone, I think Ramsay will take the castle back in Robb’s name and no one will actually leave Winterfell for the Dreadfort. There’s really no reason to switch locations just to come back for the wedding.

    The only flaw I see in my theory, is where was everyone when Bran and crew came out of the crypts…


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