Invitation To The Set video released
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The season 3 “Invitation to the Set” video originally scheduled to air on January 21st on HBO On Demand was released tonight. The behind-the-scenes video provides exciting looks at several new characters, including Mance Rayder, Olenna Tyrell, Kraznys and Thoros of Myr. We also hear directly from Diana Rigg, Ciarán Hinds, some returning cast members, and executive producers David Benioff and D.B. Weiss.

Ours is the Fury: The video is chock-full of characters, and I love what we’re seeing of the costumes and sets so far. It’s a nice treat, getting this two days earlier than we thought.


225 Comments

  1. Arkash
    Posted January 19, 2013 at 8:24 pm | Permalink

    Lots of great stuff in it !

    But just one comment :

    Natalie Dormer… *gnaaaaaaaaargh !*

  2. Bram Serra
    Posted January 19, 2013 at 8:25 pm | Permalink

    I can’t wait!!

  3. Jambo
    Posted January 19, 2013 at 8:26 pm | Permalink

    Awesome stuff.

  4. sam
    Posted January 19, 2013 at 8:30 pm | Permalink

    THIS has made me want to see the trailer… Anyone know when it will be out?!

  5. Tyrion Pimpslap
    Posted January 19, 2013 at 8:30 pm | Permalink

    There are some new shots of Grey Worm,the Titan’s Bastard,Daario(from behind), and Tormund as well as those mentioned.

  6. Michael Harper
    Posted January 19, 2013 at 8:32 pm | Permalink

    At 1:48, is that Jon Snow during the Wall climb?

  7. Joan
    Posted January 19, 2013 at 8:33 pm | Permalink

    Is that the Fist of the First Men at 00:47?

    And 1:30 looks an awful lot like Harrenhal. Robb in Harrenhal?

  8. Tyrion Pimpslap
    Posted January 19, 2013 at 8:36 pm | Permalink

    My favorite shot was Tyrion drunkenly pouring more wine into his cup. Dinklage is going to shine even brighter in seasons 3 and 4 as we get to see a different Tyrion.

  9. Tyrion Pimpslap
    Posted January 19, 2013 at 8:41 pm | Permalink

    Joan,

    That’s likely Riverrun.

  10. Joan
    Posted January 19, 2013 at 8:43 pm | Permalink

    Michael Harper,

    Looks like. If it was something less important maybe they would’ve given us a wider angle.

  11. Dave
    Posted January 19, 2013 at 8:43 pm | Permalink

    Joan,

    I bet it’s Riverrun

  12. Nezzer
    Posted January 19, 2013 at 8:44 pm | Permalink

    0:30 Dany hiring the Storm Crows? Those two must be Daario and Mero.

  13. SergioCQH
    Posted January 19, 2013 at 8:45 pm | Permalink

    Ciaran Hinds looks great. Thought he might be a bit old but he looks perfect.

  14. MPN1010
    Posted January 19, 2013 at 8:47 pm | Permalink

    There was a lot of great stuff here, but sometimes it’s the little things that stand out the most; for some reason, I really loved that Rickon was holding onto Bran’s cart at 1:31 while Hodor was pulling it. Art and Isaac have a really nice brotherly chemistry onscreen, and I’m glad that they’ll be together for part (or perhaps even all) of the season. Given how central (and depressing) the fragmentation of the Stark family is to the narrative, it’s something of a relief that the two youngest members will be in each others’ company for a bit longer. I’m still betting that the boys’ separation will take place at the tail end of the season, and that it will have something to do with Ramsay sending out men after them upon learning that they are still alive by torturing Theon.

  15. mariamb18
    Posted January 19, 2013 at 8:48 pm | Permalink

    Mance, Tormund look great. I think that Ciaran Hinds will be awesome.

    Richard Madden is beautiful…just beautiful.

  16. Mormegil
    Posted January 19, 2013 at 8:49 pm | Permalink

    Rickon has got very tall.

    I wonder where Marge is at 1:46, somewhere in the slums of Kings Landing by the looks of it and is the woman with her any of the named actress’ we know of?

    Is that Lord Karstark talking to Rob?

  17. Joan Català
    Posted January 19, 2013 at 8:51 pm | Permalink

    Mormegil,

    He is. He appeared in Season 2.

  18. sam
    Posted January 19, 2013 at 8:57 pm | Permalink

    Mormegil,

    Lord Karstark was at the end of season 2 and appeared when Jaime left the pens and killed his son and he wants his vengance ….

    I think 1:30 shows just after Karstark was killed by Robb as their is a reaction from Catelyn which is almost lke… why Robb… Why – I really just want to know now when the trailer will be released… cant be long now surely!

  19. Zack
    Posted January 19, 2013 at 9:00 pm | Permalink

    Oh my god! If I get no more promos for the season I will be fine. This was perfect.

    3 highlights: Hinds in the Mance getup, Diana Rigg, and Natalie Dormer (mostly because she’s ridiculously pretty and -always- a highlight).

    But Mance and the QoT, yes yes yes.

    eta: When Tywin is talking about ‘plots’, is he referring to THAT event? Because in the book it just kind of happened without much forewarning. Holy cow. I wonder what else he could mean…

  20. mariamb18
    Posted January 19, 2013 at 9:05 pm | Permalink

    I wonder where Marge is at 1:46, somewhere in the slums of Kings Landing by the looks of it and is the woman with her any of the named actress’ we know of?

    Mormegil,

    That scene has me wondering, too – no idea what it is. Could the woman with her be Aisling Jarrett-Gavin, an actress that awhile back was mentioned as having an unnamed role? At the time, there was speculation that she could be one of Marge’s cousins.

    Little Art is getting big.

  21. Chuck88
    Posted January 19, 2013 at 9:07 pm | Permalink

    Looks like they might try to build up the relationship between Robb and Rickard Karstark before Robb executes him.

    Also, I’m now utterly convinced the PW will take place in episode 10. “Pleasantly surprised and horrified in equal measure.”

  22. CaroH
    Posted January 19, 2013 at 9:13 pm | Permalink

    Excellent!! Thanks HBO for this, lots of new little scenes that look epic!! March 31 can’t come fast enough!!
    I wonder if the scenes where the Tyrells are at the table is Sansa and Tyrion’s wedding in episode 8?

  23. Tom O' Sevens
    Posted January 19, 2013 at 9:15 pm | Permalink

    Chuck88:
    Looks like they might try to build up the relationship between Robb and Rickard Karstark before Robb executes him.


    Also, I’m now utterly convinced the PW will take place in episode 10. “Pleasantly surprised and horrified in equal measure.”

    I sure hope not. That would be a major change from the books. PW needs to be in Season 4 after the Red Viper is introduced

  24. GregoftheNorth
    Posted January 19, 2013 at 9:16 pm | Permalink

    Chuck88,

    I thought Tywin telling Tyrion we need to act first might mean the purple wedding would be episode 8 before the red. Woops, Carroh beat me to the punch on that one.

    Also, if I could ask for one more thing, it would be strong belwas, anyone have any rumours? How will whitebeard be introduced without him?

  25. Mormegil
    Posted January 19, 2013 at 9:21 pm | Permalink

    The scene with Tywin talking of a plot and needing to act first is probably when he finds out that the Tyrells plan to marry Sansa to a Tyrell Son (probably Loras in the show), acting first would be to marry her to one of his Sons.

  26. GregoftheNorth
    Posted January 19, 2013 at 9:23 pm | Permalink

    Mormegil,

    That may make sense as well. theres a scene of loras and marge where he looks pissed at whatever she’s telling him.

  27. Darquemode
    Posted January 19, 2013 at 9:27 pm | Permalink

    mariamb18,

    I think we saw the same blonde mystery woman in another video too….

    It certainly could be Aisling Jarrett-Gavin…
    Hard to get a good look in the split second as she walks in and turns her head, but Gavin has a photo on her Twitter where she turns her head in about the same position. Gavin does not look too dissimilar from our mystery woman…. For whatever that is worth! XD

  28. Darquemode
    Posted January 19, 2013 at 9:30 pm | Permalink

    Mormegil,

    That is my thought too.
    That “plot” will certainly be taking place in Season 3, and that scene certainly has the feel of the scene in the book IMO.

  29. Maester Mullin
    Posted January 19, 2013 at 9:38 pm | Permalink

    Who were the Unsullied fighting?

  30. MedievalFantasy
    Posted January 19, 2013 at 9:40 pm | Permalink

    Did people who hate Mance’s age in the show not read/watch the interview a few months ago with GRRM where he said Mance was basically around the age of Qhorin in the books? He was basically a foil to Qhorin, he said, so he was glad with the casting of Ciaran Hinds.

  31. novichaso
    Posted January 19, 2013 at 9:41 pm | Permalink

    NEED ….. A ….. TRAILER!!!!

  32. The Dragon Demands
    Posted January 19, 2013 at 9:41 pm | Permalink

    I’m annoyed that we haven’t seen Shireen Baratheon yet.

  33. Ren Snow
    Posted January 19, 2013 at 9:42 pm | Permalink

    Michael Harper:
    At 1:48, is that Jon Snow during the Wall climb?

    Yes!

    Maester Mullin:
    Who were the Unsullied fighting?

    They seem to be training against other Unsullied

  34. novichaso
    Posted January 19, 2013 at 9:43 pm | Permalink

    Maester Mullin,

    i guess… each other… maybe a scene of the slavers showing dany how they train?

  35. King Tommen
    Posted January 19, 2013 at 9:54 pm | Permalink

    It seems pretty evident that the majority of the King’s Landing plot in S3 will be centred around the Tyrion-Sansa betrothal and wedding. I counted at least 5 scenes in this video alone that concerned the plotting and/or execution of the wedding.

    It is definitely getting a bump up in importance from the way it was portrayed in ASoS, where it happened relatively early and with little fanfare.

    I can’t see how there’s any way they get around to the PW this season with what we know and have been shown thus far. The only way it gets included is if it’s a quickie scene that gets shoehorned into the final episode and is done just to provide a shock to the audience. I highly doubt that’s the case as the PW requires the requisite amount of buildup and you can’t really do that over the course of 1 episode (an episode that will be filled to the brim with the wrap up of the 8-9 other storylines of the season).

  36. Maester Mullin
    Posted January 19, 2013 at 9:56 pm | Permalink

    Tormund looks like the guy from Temple Run…awesome!

  37. un0
    Posted January 19, 2013 at 10:22 pm | Permalink

    So exciting! In the coming days, there will be more glimpses – late Winter or Spring (3/31/13) is certainly coming!

  38. denizreyiz
    Posted January 19, 2013 at 10:28 pm | Permalink

    No Mace Tyrell,no Oberyn Martell;PW is absolutely not in this season.It must’nt be.

  39. Jen@House Stark
    Posted January 19, 2013 at 10:33 pm | Permalink

    The King Beyond the Wall, Hail Ceasar!

  40. sarya
    Posted January 19, 2013 at 10:38 pm | Permalink

    I love seeing Jon not in his black cloak! So exciting!

  41. sam
    Posted January 19, 2013 at 10:45 pm | Permalink

    novichaso:
    NEED ….. A ….. TRAILER!!!!

    TOTALLY AGREEE!!!!

  42. Cary Storm
    Posted January 19, 2013 at 10:51 pm | Permalink

    denizreyiz:
    No Mace Tyrell,no Oberyn Martell;PW is absolutely not in this season.It must’nt be.

    Mace hasn’t been mentioned at all (and in the books he’s there for all of it), so he’s not critical to it, and I don’t think that a little rewriting won’t fix the Oberyn Martell issue. They can do the PW, especially since the season is practically leading up to it.

  43. King Tommen
    Posted January 19, 2013 at 11:00 pm | Permalink

    Cary Storm,

    The question is, can they do it in about 10 minutes of screentime which is what they’ll have to work with in the final episode given what we know is taking place in previous episodes. It’s not really logistically possible.

    I’ll also have to argue with you regarding the statement that the entire season is building towards the PW. From everything we’ve heard and been shown so far in the footage, I would say the entirity of S3 in King’s Landing is working towards the Tyrion-Sansa wedding. I know the book does it differently but the show seems to be putting that stuff on the backburner for S4 and concentrating everything in KL on the machinations behind marrying off Sansa.

  44. SourBillyTipton
    Posted January 19, 2013 at 11:00 pm | Permalink

    Late into the 55th second you can clearly see The Hound parrying with his sword as Arya is being pushed away from the action by Thoros

    At :50 Kraznys has the whip with the golden handle that we’ve been seeing Dany holding(:15).

    Also at :51 you see two bodies on the ground dressed like nobles, most likely slavers the Unsullied just killed.

  45. Siobhán Mooney
    Posted January 19, 2013 at 11:09 pm | Permalink

    Regarding the possible change of Sansa’s wedding…

    I can see how making it Loras instead of Willas would cut down on the need to introduce new characters. But it does rather fundamentally change the dynamic of what occurs.

    Willas, though we’ve yet to meet him, is generally regarded as willing, even happy, to marry Sansa. Sansa seems quite able to get used to the idea of marrying him, even though he’s crippled. Then we feel some sympathy for her when she’s forced into a marriage she doesn’t want.

    However, if, in the initial scenario, she would be marrying Loras, then it’s a bit harder to feel sympathetic for her when she’d initially be marrying someone who didn’t want to marry her at all. It might seem like poetic justice for her to then end up forced into a marriage. But I don’t think that’s the effect GRRM was aiming for with Sansa and Tyrion’s marriage at all.

  46. KG
    Posted January 19, 2013 at 11:17 pm | Permalink

    Jeez, lil’ Art IS getting big … so much so that I didn’t even realize it was him until I read these comments lol

  47. Scott Glennon
    Posted January 19, 2013 at 11:19 pm | Permalink

    Ohh mann….so pumped for this. Had to watch that twice before commenting. It looks…bettathanevah! I’ve been saying it for years, Season three is where the stakes..go…up.

    For Winterfell!

  48. Nancy
    Posted January 19, 2013 at 11:20 pm | Permalink

    mariamb18,

    I agree about Richard Madden. Loving Diana Rigg’s costuming…she looks perfect. I was a doubter about Ciaran Hinds but I am coming around to him as Mance.

    Re: the PW. Someone up thread mentioned believing it to happen in episode 10, I would not object to this change. If we did not meet Edmure or the Blackfish in the seasons we were supposed to, couldn’t the Red Viper be introduced paying his respects to Cersei? Or just be enroute, delayed somehow…this is all wild speculation but Joffrey’s death would be a great season ender.

  49. siberia82
    Posted January 19, 2013 at 11:20 pm | Permalink

    The scene with Tywin talking of a plot and needing to act first is probably when he finds out that the Tyrells plan to marry Sansa to a Tyrell Son (probably Loras in the show)

    We now have additional scenes of Loras dressed in clothing which matches the colours of his House’s sigil instead of the Kingsguard armour that he wears in ASoS, so I’m almost 100% certain that he is initially Sansa’s betrothed. If he has joined the order, he would be in uniform guarding Joffrey during the ceremony instead of standing with his family.

    theres a scene of loras and marge where he looks pissed at whatever she’s telling him.

    I wouldn’t say that he was angry in that scene; his expression looked closer to disappointment. Loras was downright furious as he stormed away from the dinner table, though. I wonder what happened there? Lady Olenna appears to be amused by her grandson’s temper, so perhaps she was the cause of it.

  50. siberia82
    Posted January 19, 2013 at 11:29 pm | Permalink

    However, if, in the initial scenario, she would be marrying Loras, then it’s a bit harder to feel sympathetic for her when she’d initially be marrying someone who didn’t want to marry her at all. It might seem like poetic justice for her to then end up forced into a marriage. But I don’t think that’s the effect GRRM was aiming for with Sansa and Tyrion’s marriage at all.

    I’m going to copy and paste a comment I had made for the “Season 3 In Production” video which explains why I think the audience will be more sympathetic to Sansa’s situation.

    …substituting Willas with Loras will create more drama for the TV series because Sansa’s disappointment will be that much greater. Poor girl; her fairy-tale dream of being with the Knight of Flowers is cruelly ripped to shreds when she is forced to to marry Tyrion.

  51. Ours is the Fury
    Posted January 19, 2013 at 11:34 pm | Permalink

    Siobhán Mooney,

    Going to go on the record as strongly disagreeing with the idea that it’ll look like poetic justice when Sansa’s forced to marry Tyrion. Loras is a knight and a grown man who can make choices. Sansa is a hostage who can’t physically fight.

  52. Al Swearengen
    Posted January 19, 2013 at 11:41 pm | Permalink

    Jesus Christ give us a trailer already.

  53. Julie
    Posted January 19, 2013 at 11:48 pm | Permalink

    1:08,Sansa’s wedding?
    Her wedding dress is khaki ???

  54. axia777
    Posted January 19, 2013 at 11:56 pm | Permalink

    Season 3 going to blow the collective minds of the entertainment world and the public. I predict many, many awards come next awards season. People are going to freak out. And it is going to RULE.

  55. SerCountryFriedSteak
    Posted January 20, 2013 at 12:15 am | Permalink

    I think most of the scenes of the nicely dressed crowd in King’s Landing is from Tyrion’s wedding in Episode 8.

    However in the HBO winter promo, there’s a shot of King Joffrey, rightful ruler of the 7 Kingdoms, dressed to the nines for his wedding, aka Episode 10. . Personally, it makes the most sense for a season ender if you have to split the book in two.

    Lets have an over / under bet on number of episodes that Team Stannis appear in. Most I can imagine is 4.

  56. Rygar
    Posted January 20, 2013 at 12:19 am | Permalink

    :48 secs in, Jaime’s cock protruding out of a tub. @ 1:34 Natalie Dormer still sucks. Lol.

  57. Mrs. H'ghar
    Posted January 20, 2013 at 12:45 am | Permalink

    Wow, a woman is impressed with the growth of the young actors! They will certainly look like time has passed since the last season, and this woman can’t wait to see how it all unfolds. Love the sets, costumes, little bits of action. There will be some surprises in store since we don’t know how it’s going to be adapted, and I’m looking forward to the in-between stuff as much as the major events. Only 70 days!!!!!!!

  58. Josh
    Posted January 20, 2013 at 1:12 am | Permalink

    This was amazing but it only made me want a trailer(which in turn will only make me want the premiere!)

  59. JackoLantern
    Posted January 20, 2013 at 1:21 am | Permalink

    Emilia Clarke makes my heart flutter. She’s so beautiful! How is she real?!

  60. Lex
    Posted January 20, 2013 at 1:57 am | Permalink

    That… was… awesome.

    Ciaran Hinds!

  61. Isabelle
    Posted January 20, 2013 at 2:18 am | Permalink

    I love surprises–great video! Perhaps the 21st will yield the trailer…

    At 1:04, is that Ser Barristan on the left?

    Diana Rigg wins the award for sly understatement of future events–”bold scenes” ahead indeed.

  62. Selmy
    Posted January 20, 2013 at 2:38 am | Permalink

    Shit that’s awesome :)

    I think the scene with all the Tyrells is their arrival in KL, seems like the new set is a hall or something. Margery’s scene with the mysterious blond in KL could be her and her cousin going to meet someone in secret. Seems like we may see Margeary is not really a virgin afterall.

    Glad to see Jon climbing the Wall. Missed it.

    I personally can’t wait for Arya’s cave scene.

  63. The_Rabbit
    Posted January 20, 2013 at 2:53 am | Permalink

    I just love HBO decision to air this video some 24 hours earlier than expected…I love watching it in the morning of lazy Sunday…a lots of to chew on during the day.

    Of course, as usual, have not noticed a couple of things you guys mentioned above..so back to re-watch….

  64. Blazel
    Posted January 20, 2013 at 3:12 am | Permalink

    Looks amazing, so excited.

    Wondering why we haven’t seen any of Mackenzie Crook as Orell. As one of the bigger names to be cast this season I thought he would be much more prominent. Maybe his character is more spoilery than first thought?

  65. Serena
    Posted January 20, 2013 at 3:16 am | Permalink

    mariamb18:
    Mance, Tormund look great. I think that Ciaran Hinds will be awesome.

    Richard Madden is beautiful…just beautiful.

    I agree with you on both points :-) Richard Madden is just gorgeous.

  66. King DBC
    Posted January 20, 2013 at 3:24 am | Permalink

    Lady Catelyn: “Nothing goes unanswered…”

  67. AdrianAegon
    Posted January 20, 2013 at 3:32 am | Permalink

    I wonder at what are they all looking at in 0:33 and 0:34…

    If this season doesn’t win the best drama award in every frickin’ competition, then heads must fall!

  68. Pepi
    Posted January 20, 2013 at 3:43 am | Permalink

    Isabelle, ,

    Ye, I’m pretty sure there’s all of Dany’s current confidants in that snippet; Ser Barristan, Jorah, Daario and possibly Kovarro. Council of sorts.

  69. Bannerless Bro
    Posted January 20, 2013 at 4:29 am | Permalink

    I just hope they have the guts to show the Great Sept of Baelor and introduce the High Septon this season. I was really disappointed of how they portrayed it in S1, and they definitely must show it in seasons 5/6.

  70. LeoK
    Posted January 20, 2013 at 4:58 am | Permalink

    The more, the merrier! :) Anyone already read a new sample on GRRM’s official site? Arianne’s chapter is there, I’ve just noticed.

  71. Isabelle
    Posted January 20, 2013 at 5:22 am | Permalink

    Pepi,

    Thanks!!

    Argh, is it March yet?

  72. Imping aint easy
    Posted January 20, 2013 at 5:22 am | Permalink

    At :51 you can see a white haired man following behind Ser Jorah. You can only she his hair and bellow the knees the rest is blocked by the camera but its obvious who it is

    Anyone think Loras and Joffery have alot of screen time together? Maybe even become friendly? And that how he becomes… You know? Sorry don’t know how to use the spoiler tag and don’t wanna ruin anything?

  73. Kroms
    Posted January 20, 2013 at 5:29 am | Permalink

    Bannerless Bro:
    I just hope they have the guts to show the Great Sept of Baelor and introduce the High Septon this season. I was really disappointed of how they portrayed it in S1, and they definitely must show it in seasons 5/6.

    I think that has to do more with budget than “guts”. If they had the money and it made business sense, they’d cram all these things.

  74. Joan Català
    Posted January 20, 2013 at 5:36 am | Permalink

    AdrianAegon,

    The only people missing in that picture are Tyrion and Sansa. I think it might be some part of their wedding.

  75. The B of B-town
    Posted January 20, 2013 at 6:03 am | Permalink

    I think it is time someone updated the Cast page for Season 3

  76. Shady_Grady
    Posted January 20, 2013 at 7:05 am | Permalink

    There certainly seem to be a lot of shout outs to book readers. This really looks good.

  77. Darquemode
    Posted January 20, 2013 at 7:23 am | Permalink

    Bannerless Bro,

    I read “High Septon” and just got the image of Peter Capaldi as the High Sparrow!

    I wonder how much of the Sept, High Septons and Sparrows (later) we will get to see. They cut out a number of things from the first 2 books and could probably get away with cutting much of it later honestly.

    Maybe they will wait until the AFfC material enters Season 4 and 5 to explore that side of things I’m not sure some of the AFfC and ADwD Cersei scenes could make it to film without the High Sparrow etc….

  78. Samwell the shagga
    Posted January 20, 2013 at 7:47 am | Permalink

    Tom O’ Sevens,

    The only way I can think they could make it work with the PW happening in ep 10 of season 3 is if the red viper is introduced at the very start of season 4 and he goes to visit Tyrion when he is confined to his bed-chamber on trial. They could have all their conversations there like how oberyn had visited casterly rock as a child.

    I’m not sure what I would prefer -
    PW in season 3 = could be rushed and seem like overkill. Will be changed a fair bit from the book.

    PW not in season 3 = no climax to the kings landing storyline. A season filled with Tyrell and Lannister scheming resulting in… Nothing. Would be a bit of an anti climax.

  79. denizreyiz
    Posted January 20, 2013 at 7:55 am | Permalink

    Cary Storm: Mace hasn’t been mentioned at all (and in the books he’s there for all of it), so he’s not critical to it, and I don’t think that a little rewriting won’t fix the Oberyn Martell issue. They can do the PW, especially since the season is practically leading up to it.

    Mace Tyrell several times mentioned in the series.
    And is Margeary marry without her father and mother?That would be absurd.

    After the Tyrion’s arrest,Oberyn is necessarily part of story.

  80. Anonymous
    Posted January 20, 2013 at 8:12 am | Permalink

    HBO winter preview with a (i think) new Joffrey glimpse in S3 ;)

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SWJ25Ga6k90

  81. Darquemode
    Posted January 20, 2013 at 8:13 am | Permalink

    Samwell the shagga,

    Before any info on Season 3 came out I thought that King’s Landing could center on the Tyrell’s scheming and Sansa’s possible marriages. A season of her hopes going up and up, only to end with her hurredly married off to Tyrion seems like a decent conclusion to that arc IMO. Although it would be no huge climactic final of course. We will have those in the Riverlands, on The Wall and in Essos though.

    Something else about the KL arc I have been struggling with is the escape plot with Ser Dontos… or the lack of it. Will they ignore it or pawn it off on Littlefinger? It really added to Sansa’s arc in the books and will be missed if glanced over or ignored….

  82. Idaan
    Posted January 20, 2013 at 8:26 am | Permalink

    MedievalFantasy,

    You don’t even need to watch interviews to get that. The books explicitly mention that Mance, Qhorin and Mormont served together, so they have to be close in age.

  83. Darquemode
    Posted January 20, 2013 at 8:31 am | Permalink

    Idaan,

    Not entirely definitive though since Qhorin and Jon served together and they are not close in age. Ther are veterans and recruits and a lot of years between the two.

  84. Arkash
    Posted January 20, 2013 at 8:35 am | Permalink

    To anyone mentionned the lack of Orell in those videos : yes, I’ve been thinking the same thing but I dont think his character is “spoilery”, it’s just that… well, maybe he doesnt have such a big role… although that would surprise me… then I think the explanation is that they didnt show him because they cant show everything.

  85. Perkins
    Posted January 20, 2013 at 8:40 am | Permalink

    goodness gracious

  86. Ours is the Fury
    Posted January 20, 2013 at 8:42 am | Permalink

    Darquemode,

    George pointed out that Mance was not a young man, that he had greying hair. He also indicated Mance was a contemporary of Qhorin’s, which does mean he is of the same generation and age range.

  87. AdrianAegon
    Posted January 20, 2013 at 8:47 am | Permalink

    One of the biggest misteries for me, personally, is the man in black that keeps poping up. You can see him in 0:34 behind Margaery. He also appeared in some of the photos surfaced from Croatia wich showed him speaking to some of the characters, so it’s not an extra or something… who is he portraing? or is he an invented character? what do you think? oh this is really bugging me…

  88. Darquemode
    Posted January 20, 2013 at 8:49 am | Permalink

    Ours is the Fury,

    No,no… My bad. I did not express exactly what I meant very well I guess…
    I meant the book saying that Qhorin, Mance and Mormont served together is not necessarily definitive.

    When GRRM says they are contemporaries it is VERY definitive! XD

    Personally I always pictured Mance more like Benjen Stark’s age and not Qhorin’s or Mormont’s age, but of course I took GRRM’s word as final.

  89. mariamb18
    Posted January 20, 2013 at 9:31 am | Permalink

    Ours is the Fury: Going to go on the record as strongly disagreeing with the idea that it’ll look like poetic justice when Sansa’s forced to marry Tyrion. Loras is a knight and a grown man who can make choices. Sansa is a hostage who can’t physically fight

    Yes, there is nothing poetic about it. However, I agree that Loras will be substituted for Willas in the Tyrells marriage plot. Interesting that the show is not (yet?) portraying him as a member of the KG. I think that Tyrion/Sansa’s wedding will have more emotional impact in the show than it did in the books. The storyline in KL will focus on Tywin’s political maneuvers.

  90. Tom
    Posted January 20, 2013 at 9:35 am | Permalink

    MedievalFantasy,

    If you read the books, you would know GRRM totally contradicted himself.

    In ASoS, Mance Rayder describes himself as ‘a young man’ when he visited Winterfell 10 years previously.

    Another thing is that Mance was born into the Watch, which means he would’ve already been there before the Halfhand came along.

  91. Arkash
    Posted January 20, 2013 at 9:39 am | Permalink

    Assuming the stick coming to Jojen’s neck is hold by Osha, capturing the Reeds in the woods after thinking they are followed.

  92. Malena
    Posted January 20, 2013 at 9:40 am | Permalink

    I would love to see a Loras and Sansa combination. These videos are just tidbits to whet our appetite, but they are being very careful not to show the good stuff. No Red Wedding, no Sansa-Tyrion, no Jaime-Brienne in Harrenhaal.

  93. SkyAero
    Posted January 20, 2013 at 10:03 am | Permalink

    Looks amazing. Brilliantly put together!

    Just a little over two months. I’m so excited!!

  94. siberia82
    Posted January 20, 2013 at 10:11 am | Permalink

    Anyone think Loras and Joffery have alot of screen time together? Maybe even become friendly? And that how he becomes… You know? Sorry don’t know how to use the spoiler tag and don’t wanna ruin anything

    Why on earth would Loras be friendly to Joffrey? It’s made very clear on the show that the Knight of Flowers hates the kid (he described Joff as a monster in Season 1, and he looked utterly miserable having to bend the knee to the boy-king in the Season 2 finale). If Loras does become part of the Kingsguard later on Season 3, it will probably be because Tywin will force him to don the white cloak after the Tyrell plot to marry Sansa is discovered. This move would be deeply ironic because the Mad King did the same thing to Jaime to keep Tywin under control. In this situation, TV!Loras is even more likely than his book counterpart to be the next Kingslayer.

  95. Joshua Taylor
    Posted January 20, 2013 at 10:36 am | Permalink

    Where in this video does it imply the PW will happen? Oh right, nowhere.

    As much as I was excited that Ciaran Hinds was cast in GoT even as Mance Rayder who I did not envision for the role at all, I am blown away how much he resembles my mind’s eye interpretation and that I don’t get a Caesar vibe either. He’s Mance.

    Diana Rigg is perfect! Love her Olenna-esque hah! after she said “bold scenes”. She is going to rock. So glad they went with her instead of Maggie Smith. The newbies are going to love her. I look forward to some great Cersei burns and condescension from her.

    Where is Arthur to comment upon how frakking hot Natalie Dormer is? Even her haters have to admit she looks absolutely gorgeous from what we’ve seen.

    The Astapor scenes: Kraznys! The Whip! The queen and her court! The shot of her moving on horse between the troops. Wowsers!

    Beric Dondarrion! Tywin! Tormund!

    Come on trailer!

  96. Siobhán Mooney
    Posted January 20, 2013 at 10:41 am | Permalink

    Ours is the Fury:
    I’m going to copy and paste a comment I had made for the “Season 3 In Production” video which explains why I think the audience will be more sympathetic to Sansa’s situation.
      

    Fair enough, you’re right. I guess I still prefer the initial version due to the willingness of both parties though.

  97. Mel
    Posted January 20, 2013 at 10:44 am | Permalink

    Cannot believe people actually think they’ll do the PW this season. There’s no way they’ll concentrate three major events (RW, PW and Sansa-Tyrion wedding) in the final three episodes. It’s not logistically – or financially – possible. My bet is RW in episode 9 and Sansa-Tyrion as a season ender. We’ll more likely see the PW at the end of season 4.

  98. Joshua Taylor
    Posted January 20, 2013 at 10:50 am | Permalink

    Seeing this now for the 4th time and can’t wait for Rigg’s appearance. She seems keen on the show as well. What a cool lady. No surprise as she was EMMA PEEL!

    http://youtu.be/v4g3zvz8fgo

    So awesome that she is on the show!

  99. Jambo
    Posted January 20, 2013 at 10:52 am | Permalink

    Mel:
    We’ll more likely see the PW at the end of season 4.

    I bet the PW will be more in the middle of the season 4. Then we can have Tyrion’s arrest, trial, Mountain vs. the Red Viper, and Tywin’s death/Tyrion’s escape to end s4.

  100. He who slithers
    Posted January 20, 2013 at 10:54 am | Permalink

    @ 0:24, who is that guy?

    also, as awesome as this ‘invite’ is, consider who was not shown at all: theon, “boy”… heckfire, we didn’t see anything bolton or greyjoy. I know that storyline is not as beefed up in ASoS, but it seems that D&D are really keeping the whole situation a shock for the non-readers.

    hopes: giants, no PW until S4, good direwolf cgi action, announcement of S4, focus on jaime-brienne, tons of hound scenes, and, sorry to the mountain part deux, bring back conan as the mountain.

  101. babar
    Posted January 20, 2013 at 10:58 am | Permalink

    He who slithers,

    @0:24, This is Thoros of Myr.

  102. He who slithers
    Posted January 20, 2013 at 11:07 am | Permalink

    babar,

    Ooooooh….

    he looks awesome, thanks for that

  103. Beyond the Wall
    Posted January 20, 2013 at 11:36 am | Permalink

    Darquemode:
    Bannerless Bro,

    I read “High Septon” and just got the image of Peter Capaldi as the High Sparrow!

    I wonder how much of the Sept, High Septons and Sparrows (later) we will get to see. They cut out a number of things from the first 2 books and could probably get away with cutting much of it later honestly.

    Maybe they will wait until the AFfC material enters Season 4 and 5 to explore that side of thingsI’m not sure some of the AFfC and ADwD Cersei scenes could make it to film without the High Sparrow etc….

    Peter Capaldi as the high sparrow would be amazing, shame he wouldn’t be turning the air blue though.

  104. sam
    Posted January 20, 2013 at 11:40 am | Permalink

    1:30 – is that when Robb Stark has just killed Karstark?, Catelyn doesn’t look happy

  105. Dave
    Posted January 20, 2013 at 11:42 am | Permalink

    I know of course they can change whatever they want, but Loras seemingly joined the Kingsguard because he had lost his love and also to be around to protect Margaery from J0ffrey. As the show very much played up the Renly-Loras relationship as well as the Tyrells’ closeness, I don’t see why they wouldn’t continue along that path. There has yet to be a scene in Kings Landing outside of Tyrion or Ros’ chambers since the ceremony after the battle, so I don’t see the issue with him not being KG yet.

    As far as the PW goes, let me join those who say they can’t see it happening. Not only would they need to squeeze an incredible amount of really important stuff into the last two (three if Sansa/Tyrion is ep 8) episodes- I think, for example the RW aftermath (Arya and the chaos outside the castle) will be ep. 10, but you’d be leaving little Storm of Swords for next year (PW takes us more than 75% through the book), AND you’d have to significantly cut down/wrap up the storylines of Jon, Dany, Bran, Davos/Stannis/Mel, Jaime/Brienne, Arya, Theon/Ramsay, Sam. So yeah, I’d be pretty surprised.

  106. Mafthespartian
    Posted January 20, 2013 at 11:59 am | Permalink

    I am anxious to see if they ll give screen time to Keevan Lannister and Lord Manderly so the can introduce them (Keevan role was in season 1 but too short) , they are too important for the future seasons.Manderly + Stannis are our only hope for revenge !! :P

  107. wheresstannis
    Posted January 20, 2013 at 12:01 pm | Permalink

    I’m slightly worried that we don’t see a lot of Stannis & co. Where is Stannis in all those vids?
    Haha, I sure hope we’ll get more than 4 episodes with Stannis in, team Stannis didn’t have enough screentime at all last season, they should make it right this time!

    HBO please tell us we’ll have some team Stannis moments in this season! There, I hope I made my point by writing Stannis too many times.

    Isn’t anyone else wondering about them too?

  108. Jambo
    Posted January 20, 2013 at 12:10 pm | Permalink

    wheresstannis:
    Isn’t anyone else wondering about them too?

    I’ve been wondering about them, but really they have even less to do this season than last. I mean, what all happens with them? Davos is rescued, thrown in prison, released, and then they head to the Wall? Maybe some more prophecy/dragon stuff with Edric Storm, but that’d be about it.

  109. Pepi
    Posted January 20, 2013 at 12:11 pm | Permalink

    Mafthespartian,

    Kevan was also in one episode of S2 … Which, I think, is a good sign.
    EDIT: Btw … Are we seeing the return of The Daily Raven and Simone Boyce this year?

  110. KG
    Posted January 20, 2013 at 12:14 pm | Permalink

    siberia82: wouldn’t say that he was angry in that scene; his expression looked closer to disappointment. Loras was downright furious as he stormed away from the dinner table, though

    How about, “Yes we know you’re gay, Loras, but you’re marrying that icky Stark girl anyway. Deal with it.”

  111. Bury
    Posted January 20, 2013 at 12:18 pm | Permalink

    Great scenes

    Spoiler
    Interview with little finger actor strongly suggests PW in season 4.
    Sorry, can’t spoiler tag lol

  112. siberia82
    Posted January 20, 2013 at 12:23 pm | Permalink

    Fair enough, you’re right. I guess I still prefer the initial version due to the willingness of both parties though.

    Loras will certainly be miserable about the betrothal, but he is very dutiful to his family, so at the end of the day, he will grin and bear it after he lets off some steam. I don’t know what that scene with Margaery and Loras is about, but I hope at one point Marg will try to make her brother feel better about the situation by telling him something along the lines of, “After you suggested the idea to father, I was willing to marry Renly to further our family’s goals. Your marriage to Sansa is no different. I know you’re still in mourning, and a betrothal is the last thing you want to think about right now, but it won’t be so bad. I’ve spent time with Sansa and she is a sweet girl. I would be happy to have her as my sister-in-law. Perhaps with time you can love Sansa as a sister, just as I think I could have loved Renly as a brother.”

    Loras would probably be okay with (or at least be less resentful of) the idea after a speech like that.

  113. Dave
    Posted January 20, 2013 at 12:32 pm | Permalink

    I wonder what, if anything, they will do with Asha or Balon. Neither was really in the book but they may give some screen time to Balon’s death, and it seems odd to set aside “Yara” for two seasons. I’ve always thought Martin underestimated the Greyjoy story, and clearly Theon is getting more “screen time” than the books so maybe Balon and Asha do too.

  114. Mormegil
    Posted January 20, 2013 at 12:38 pm | Permalink

    Tom: Another thing is that Mance was born into the Watch, which means he would’ve already been there before the Halfhand came along.

    Actually Mance was born a Wildling, He was captured when he was a child (the others in his raiding party were all killed) and raised in the Watch.

  115. wheresstannis
    Posted January 20, 2013 at 12:44 pm | Permalink

    Jambo,

    I know, but I guess they could just *show* them to us, like Davos learning to read (to get the letter from Mormont then give the idea to Stannis to do what he does), how Melissandre still had the king’s support, how Stannis hasn’t lost everything (with his wife’s knights & all).
    And also, just to make the people watching the show like them.
    I remember they cast his family though, so he has to show up quite some time… Just like someone said about Asha and the Greyjoys, you can’t set them too much aside seeing what role they play after, because it’ll probably look like “characters you bring back juste when convenient to get the plot going”.

  116. saark
    Posted January 20, 2013 at 12:55 pm | Permalink

    Tom:
    MedievalFantasy,

    In ASoS, Mance Rayder describes himself as ‘a young man’ when he visited Winterfell 10 years previously.

    tell you what, many a late-middle-aged man refers to himself ten years prior as “young” :)

    and my rationale for PW in s3: Season 3, 3 swords in the logo, 3 weddings

  117. Maester Blaster
    Posted January 20, 2013 at 12:57 pm | Permalink

    I have been supporting PW in S3 for a long time now. I don’t understand why everyone is so angry about the idea. Remember, S0S is not going to be split exactly in two. I would say about 2/3 of S4 will be SoS and the rest pulled in from the later books. They would still have a lot of story left to cover in 2/3 of a season. They could introduce the Red Viper by having him talk to Tyrion and volunteer for his tribunal. The Trial by battle could come midseason. Then Tyrion’s escape in epp 8 or 9 and his meeting with Illyrio in epp 10. It’s a neat little arc. I know that doesn’t give us a lot of Viper and maybe that’s why people are so upset, but if he makes a strong impact it will still be a good set up for the Martel storyline. They could interlace all of this with Sansa and LF in the Eryie, Dany vs. Mereen, John defending the Wall. Arya escaping with the Hound and then to Bravos, ect. ect. My bet is still Season 3, 3-31-13 = 3 weddings.

  118. Echo
    Posted January 20, 2013 at 1:05 pm | Permalink

    I spy Tormund and Whitebeard. Shweet.

    Can I just say that Emilia is a tremendous beauty? nnnng

  119. Tyrion Pimpslap
    Posted January 20, 2013 at 1:28 pm | Permalink

    The PW is not happening in S3 whether you want it to or not. Why split the events of the 3rd book over two seasons only to rush through and have the RW and PW happen in back to back episodes? Aiden Guillen gave an interview that pretty much confirms that the PW is in season 4. In it, he says that his character(Littlefinger) “will get a ship next season.”

  120. siberia82
    Posted January 20, 2013 at 1:50 pm | Permalink

    I know of course they can change whatever they want, but Loras seemingly joined the Kingsguard because he had lost his love and also to be around to protect Margaery from Joffrey.

    The HBO writers probably didn’t want to confuse non-book readers too much by having Loras become the bodyguard for a king that he so plainly despised. There wasn’t enough screen time to explain that he joined the order primarily to protect his sister. Morever, his character has very little to do in first half of ASoS, so it’s natural that they would want to increase his importance for the TV series.

    The showrunners already had in mind by the time the script for “Valar Morghulis” was being written that Loras would take on Willas’ role in Season 3. Remember when Margaery and her brother glanced up at Sansa near the end of the throne room scene? Marg’s expression was apologetic, but Loras looked annoyed. I couldn’t quite figure out at first why he would feel anything negative towards the Stark girl; I had just assumed that he was still upset from the charade with Joffrey.

    As soon as the “Season 3 In Production” featurette was released, and I noticed that the Knight of Flowers wasn’t wearing the KG armour, it dawned on me that his sulky expression in that episode was due to him knowing that he would have to marry Sansa.

  121. zma
    Posted January 20, 2013 at 1:57 pm | Permalink

    Okay. I just don’t like this PW in season 3 business. The PW is such a great way to open up season 4 , a good way of introducing new characters (Mace and Oberyn), bringing the audience back into King’s Landing amidst the preparations and planning of it. It needs build up. And if it’s in season 3 and there’s just been two other weddings that build up simply won’t be there. Regardless of the very bare screentime you have to show the PW in episode 10 (it HAS been confirmed that Tyrion-Sansa wedding will be in episode 8 and RW will be in episode 9) if there’s just been these other two giant weddings in the last two episodes the build-up for this third wedding will be redundant and frankly half-ass. It’s storytelling, and it’s budget also. Some people need to get this idea out of their heads. And seriously, the only thing that PW does resolve is Sansa’s story in her escape from King’s Landing (and I guess Joffrey’s reign of terror?). Otherwise, it just spurs new storylines – like Tyrion’s trial.
    As for other stuff, from the amount we’ve seen of Loras in these previews, I think it’s safe to say he’ll be getting initially betrothed to Sansa. He is seen more than Cersei in that video! (In fact all we’ve seen of Cersei this season is her sitting at a frigging table!) I think his dramatic getting-up-in-a-rage from the table thing might be when Sansa is having dinner with the Tyrells, and Sansa says something about Renly that offends him like in the book. I think that that whole plot will work way better than whoever the hell Willas is, because Sansa and Loras have already had interaction in the show when Loras gave her a rose in season 1 at the tournament. The more the show can self-insulate itself without the protrusion of new, seemingly random elements into the main story the better it will be. That’s why I think Talisa will get married off to Ramsey. I also think that’s why Arianne will hopefully show up with Oberyn to King’s Landing in season 4. But those are other stories.

  122. Maester Mullin
    Posted January 20, 2013 at 2:03 pm | Permalink

    Jambo,

    and don’t forget about Sansa’s story at the end of aSoS

  123. After The Feast
    Posted January 20, 2013 at 2:17 pm | Permalink

    Ok guys lets just face it, if Dan and Dave put PW in this season, they are really screwing up. But not for the reasons that everyone is arguing. They can recover from a hiccup in the plot such as this and I have faith that they would make it just good as if it was delayed but here’s the thing: you don’t end a season with the PW. Episode 9 is infamously known as the climax of every ten episode HBO series. Episode 9 this season is RW and we can all agree that RW is, or at least should be, this seasons big climax. Ok, do we all agree? Good. Episode 10 (at least for Game of Thrones) is the aftermath episode. The clean up so not all stories seem unfinished. But at the very end, they give us a little bit of a cliff-hanger or something to draw us back next season (ex: FOTFM, Dragons). The PW is by no means material for a tenth episode. It is a mid-season shocker or an episode 9 climax. And if they put PW in episode 10, they are taking away all of the emotional stress and anger people will feel from RW, thus making it ineffective. And some people are arguing that they have to kill Joffrey so that the viewers don’t get mad about Robb. No they don’t! They killed Ned in season one without anyone really bad dying. Dan and Dave are going to do what they want. But if they put PW in episode 10, they are undermining RW as a season climax and they are taking away from the potential of PW. (I know this is a long comment but thank you of you were able to read it all haha). sorry if I sounded like a douche, but that’s just my opinion.

  124. Joshua Taylor
    Posted January 20, 2013 at 2:26 pm | Permalink

    Re the PW being in season 3: No it will not. “100%. I know certainty freaks you guys out but it’s 100%.”

    I have made many bad guesses in my life but this is not one of them. The PW will not be in season 3.

  125. After The Feast
    Posted January 20, 2013 at 2:28 pm | Permalink

    Joshua Taylor,

    I agree with you 100% dude.

  126. Tyrion Pimpslap
    Posted January 20, 2013 at 2:30 pm | Permalink

    After The Feast,

    I agree. The idea that Joffrey has to die to make up for the RW is ridiculous, IMO. As you say, that would undercut the emotional impact of the RW. Letting the anger last through the offseason while people start to believe that Joffrey will have a long reign as king will make the PW so much better when it happens in episode 4-6 of season four. That would truly come out of nowhere and shock the audience.

  127. Zack
    Posted January 20, 2013 at 2:36 pm | Permalink

    Tyrion Pimpslap,

    It’s not going to come out of nowhere though. Unless they don’t bother showing Mel putting those slugs in the flames or whatever it was. But that scene should be so cool they really ought to do it.

    And once the first two parts happen, everybody will know the third is on the way. I expect a lot of non-readers to chatter about ‘how’ they imagine it will go down, not whether it will.

    But yeah, PW in this season would be stupid.

  128. Josh
    Posted January 20, 2013 at 2:37 pm | Permalink

    I think everyone needs to remember that this is a TV show and the TV audience is a fickle bunch…piss them off too much and they’ll go away.

  129. After The Feast
    Posted January 20, 2013 at 2:38 pm | Permalink

    Tyrion Pimpslap,

    Ya thanks man! It’s just I don’t see why more people aren’t looking at things in that light you know?

  130. Tyrion Pimpslap
    Posted January 20, 2013 at 2:40 pm | Permalink

    Josh,

    No they won’t. They didn’t go away after Ned. They didn’t go away after the Lannisters won the Battle of the Blackwater. And they won’t go away after the RW.

  131. Tyrion Pimpslap
    Posted January 20, 2013 at 2:42 pm | Permalink

    Zack,

    Yes it will, because people will expect such a death to occur in episode 9 or 10. Having it in the middle of the season when his power appears to be at it’s greatest will be a shock.

  132. Dave
    Posted January 20, 2013 at 2:43 pm | Permalink

    zma,

    I really like the idea of Talisa marrying Ramsay as far as further pushing Ramsay as a villain, but the point of him marrying “Arya” is so that he “lawfully” controls Winterfell. Anything is possible with Talisa, but I think the idea of him marrying “Arya” is important so people understand why all the northern lords don’t just run to Stannis.

  133. Zack
    Posted January 20, 2013 at 2:47 pm | Permalink

    Tyrion Pimpslap,

    This show’s got a pretty strong precedent of killing off important people midway through the season, with Viserys and King Bob.

    FWIW I expect the same thing though, the death in episode 405 or 406, the trial in 9 and escape in 10.

    I am as certain as the rest of you they wouldn’t rush the storylines merely so that they could have ’3 weddings in season 3′. They know what they’re doing.

  134. Carne
    Posted January 20, 2013 at 3:09 pm | Permalink

    Had the PW been filmed for season 3 we would have heard about it from extras.

  135. Mormegil
    Posted January 20, 2013 at 3:21 pm | Permalink

    Dave: zma, I really like the idea of Talisa marrying Ramsay as far as further pushing Ramsay as a villain, but the point of him marrying “Arya” is so that he “lawfully” controls Winterfell. Anything is possible with Talisa, but I think the idea of him marrying “Arya” is important so people understand why all the northern lords don’t just run to Stannis.

    If Talisa is the one married off to Ramsay they might actually make her pregnant with Rob’s child. Ramsay could claim to be the Lord Protector for the Stark Heir (until of course he feels secure enough to kill off the child).

  136. Selmy
    Posted January 20, 2013 at 3:33 pm | Permalink

    Not going to talk about PW in season 3, that’s just nonsense.

    —-SPOILERS—-

    But I am really wondering what will be this season’s last scene…. SPOILERS!!!!! Could be the Battle of the Wall beginning, even if it’s too early for that. They won’t show Stoneheart or anything related I think. Could be us seeing that Arya’s still alive with TH. Bran crossing the wall and maybe Coldhands???

  137. Jaime Saltcliffe
    Posted January 20, 2013 at 3:57 pm | Permalink

    People seem super sensitive about the order of events especially the PW. These same people will troll the show from here on out when changes really start.

    Quick thought: why couldn’t Tyrion’s wedding happen sometime during the first five episodes? Besides introducing the Tyrells and celebrating the victory of Tywin, what else happens in Kings Landing before this? I think they will keep the plotting mysterious.

    So if Tyrion’s wedding occurs sometime during the first five episodes and the RW occurs at the 7th episode (as GRRM has alluded to since it is the episode he is writing–Autumn Storms), it would make sense for the PW to end the season and to have its fallout for Season 4.

    And that only includes what’s pushed back from Kings Landing. The Battle at the Wall is DEFINITELY happening during Season 4.

    Any thoughts?

  138. Joshua Taylor
    Posted January 20, 2013 at 4:03 pm | Permalink

    Jaime Saltcliffe,

    RW is episode 9, the Tyrion/Sansa wedding is episode 8. Martin is writing episode 7 which has been retitled to “Chains”.

  139. WildSeed
    Posted January 20, 2013 at 4:17 pm | Permalink

    Joshua Taylor:
    Seeing this now for the 4th time and can’t wait for Rigg’s appearance. She seems keen on the show as well. What a cool lady. No surprise as she was EMMA PEEL!

    http://youtu.be/v4g3zvz8fgo

    So awesome that she is on the show!

    I think Ms Rigg will reprise her role from ” The Painted Veil “. Diana Rigg is a fine
    actress that will no doubt bring interest to the portrayal of lady Olenna Redwynne,
    but she stands a giantess next to Margaery Tyrell. The look is awkward for what
    is described as a tiny person, being Mace’s mother, yet Rigg’s keenness may
    convince us all that it size isn’t everything :D

    ” Miss Emma Peel remains fixed in my memory of ” The Avengers “, I hate to cross
    reference her with ” The Queen of Thorns “.

  140. Tyrion Pimpslap
    Posted January 20, 2013 at 4:19 pm | Permalink

    Jaime Saltcliffe,

    Tyrion and Sansa’s wedding is confirmed for episode 8 and the RW is confirmed for episode 9.

  141. freetickles
    Posted January 20, 2013 at 4:27 pm | Permalink

    Though you can see the Hound at 0:50 now that somebody above mentions it, I like that they’re avoiding showing him generally in these so when he shows up it will be a legit surprise. For instance, in the later scene in the cave you see Arya then Thoros swinging the fire sword but they avoid showing the Hound.

  142. the goat
    Posted January 20, 2013 at 4:31 pm | Permalink

    Nice! Hope they show it again tonight before Girls.

    Off topic, but this is pretty damn funny:
    http://caterinasforzas.tumblr.com/tagged/titles

  143. Tyrion Pimpslap
    Posted January 20, 2013 at 4:37 pm | Permalink

    freetickles,

    That is Beric with the flaming sword, not Thoros.

  144. WildSeed
    Posted January 20, 2013 at 4:37 pm | Permalink

    I hope many are sated, for the time being, with this video short……it did
    not disappoint, for me.

    Season Three is quite ambitious; ” a reversal of fortunes / nothing is sacred /
    fantasy and butchery ” . Much ado about…….everything…..and war is coming.

  145. After The Feast
    Posted January 20, 2013 at 4:46 pm | Permalink

    Jaime Saltcliffe,

    Well if they’d be so bold as to put that in season three I don’t think anything is out of question. They need to save some stuff for next season and PW will definitely be a good thing to save. I mean it only makes sense because the storyline will feel rushed and forced if they cram three weddings in. I will like this season no matter what they do but I’m just saying what I would do if I wrote the show. But the battle at the wall will be next season for sure and I could see them ending the Davos and Stannis storyline with Davos showing Stannis the letter from the Nights watch. but back to the main topic, I think PW is out of question for this season.

    however, in spite of everything I just said (and I still have the same opinion), if the did want to put PW in this season I always thought it would cool of it happened off screen and Jamie is just riding up to Kings Landing and here’s the bells or something and that’s how the season ends with the next picking up on the night of the wedding to show what happened. But if the did do PW this season I don’t see them doing it that way just because they’d have to go back in time to show what happened. And I know people are going to be super critical of what I just said but I never said I wanted that to happen. It was just an idea. Still, everything I said earlier about how this season should be I still believe 100% before any of you call me a hypocrite. I’m just brainstorming here.

  146. The_Rabbit
    Posted January 20, 2013 at 4:47 pm | Permalink

    Jaime Saltcliffe,

    Although we know already some facts you mentioned above I find your question pretty interseting.
    What s gonna happen in EP10?

    My guesses:
    Post RW reaction all around realm.
    Jon Snow is back at the Wall.
    Osha decides not to go beyond the Wall and takes Rickon with her.
    Arya is alive and continues her journey with the Hound.
    Jaime and Brienne arrive in KL (although it happens after PW in the books, I put my two cents it would occure before PW in the series).
    Daenerys prepares to march to Meereen.

  147. Joan Català
    Posted January 20, 2013 at 4:52 pm | Permalink

    Selmy,

    I’d say it would be cool to have Jon called up to the top of the Wall, and from there we see a massive army gathering beneath them. Would be a similar ending to S2.

  148. tysnow
    Posted January 20, 2013 at 4:54 pm | Permalink

    Talk about overload, almost don’t need a trailer after this, almost.
    Mance, Marg (woof), and mayhem. Loved all the Dany clips, especially her riding amongst the Unsullied and the tent with Greyworm, Titan’s Bastard and Daario, along with Ser Jorah.
    There are some great opportunities for award winning cinematography with those scenes.

    BTW-I was at St. James near Marks and Spencer and swear Maisie walked by in black coat with 30 something blond woman, they hailed a Black Cab and sped off. It seemed to me a tall middle aged man with long brown hair who had a very hard and mean face was following, because he hailed a cab and followed, not 10 secs behind. If it was her and the man was stalking, she should contact the police and have them look at the CCTV images from that intersection. It was 3:30 this afternnon.

  149. Steelyuhas
    Posted January 20, 2013 at 5:02 pm | Permalink

    siberia82: Why on earth would Loras be friendly to Joffrey? It’s made very clear on the show that the Knight of Flowers hates the kid (he described Joff as a monster in Season 1, and he looked utterly miserable having to bend the knee to the boy-king in the Season 2 finale). If Loras does become part of the Kingsguard later on Season 3, it will probably be because Tywin will force him to don the white cloak after the Tyrell plot to marry Sansa is discovered. This move would be deeply ironic because the Mad King did the same thing to Jaime to keep Tywin under control. In this situation, TV!Loras is even more likely than his book counterpart to be the next Kingslayer.

    Oh, I hadn’t thought of that. That actually makes quite a bit of sense (@ your spoiler obviously).

  150. Ser Lemoncakes
    Posted January 20, 2013 at 5:12 pm | Permalink

    Random observation: is Margery heading into that tent-thing in what seems like a market for some moon tea? There is a seven pointed star behind her, so perhaps she could be talking to a Septon? Hmmmm…

    I’m a bit sad if the omit Willas, but he could be added later and using Loras makes more sense to a TV audience. He could simply join the Kingsguard after the PW or be invited to be the Lannisters to foil the ‘plot’. Seems like Tywin is counselling Tyrion re the Tyrells-I don’t recall Tywin being this inclusive of him at this point, or am I wrong?

  151. Arkash
    Posted January 20, 2013 at 5:15 pm | Permalink

    I hope they wont have Osha and Rickon go beyond the Wall with Bran and the Reeds… really.

    As for the last shot of the season… I had this idea : Jaime and Brienne arriving in KL with tolls ringing like hell, not knowing what happened.

    And episode 1 of season 4: we go one night earlier and… PW ! That would be bold !

    But since I dont think this will happen, my bet for the last shot would be : either way Cat resurrected, or Davos showing the letter to Stannis.

  152. Ioco73
    Posted January 20, 2013 at 6:14 pm | Permalink

    This is framing great! A lot to see, a lot to digest!

  153. MaryS-NJ
    Posted January 20, 2013 at 6:15 pm | Permalink

    I’m in the minority here that would like to see the PWto be one of the last events in season 3, as a book end to the RW … karma.

    That being said, there are so many events in ASOS that could be moved around so that they came after, plus I think some of what happens in AFFC/ADWD may end up being moved forward. We don’t know yet what is going to happen with Oberyn and the Martells or even if they will have any significant role in Kings Landing the TV adaptation.

    Also, Julian Glover mentions in his recent interview something about Tywin’s death. That scene doesn’t happen until well after the PW but how would he know about how Tywin dies unless it was in the script for S3? Or, why would he mention it as if it’s happening in S3 if it’s not happening until S4?

    Anyway, the video makes me impatient for the show to air. I agree with the speculation that the Tyrells will plot to marry Loras to Sansa only to be thwarted by Tywin. I look forward to seeing

    After The Feast: obb. No they don’t! They killed Ned in season one without anyone really bad dying. Dan and Dave are going to do what they want. But if they put PW in episode 10, they are undermining RW as a season climax and they are taking away from the potential of PW. (I know this is a long comment but thank you of you were able to read it all haha). sorry if I sounded like a douche, but that’s just my opinion.

    Ned’s shocking death was followed by “The King in the North” which gave the audience hope going into S2. For S3, I think there needs to be something to balance the shock and horror of the RW to give the audience hope going into S4. If not the PW, then what?

    Josh: I think everyone needs to remember that this is a TV show and the TV audience is a fickle bunch…piss them off too much and they’ll go away.

    Exactly.

  154. Ours is the Fury
    Posted January 20, 2013 at 6:21 pm | Permalink

    They really won’t. Terrible things happen all the time on TV shows and people tune in to enjoy the car wreck of it all.
    And King in the North wasn’t a big “hope” moment. It was more of a “These people are going to war” moment.

  155. Arkash
    Posted January 20, 2013 at 6:22 pm | Permalink

    If not the PW, then : Dany marching victorious at the head of an army. Jon back at the Wall informing his brothers of the great battles to come (thrilling), maybe Sansa consolated by Margaery after her wedding

    I was about to state Stannis reading the letter, but this must happen earlier (maybe episode 7) in order for him to get at the Wall in time for season 4.

  156. mariamb18
    Posted January 20, 2013 at 6:37 pm | Permalink

    I feel that the PW will not be forced into Ep.10 – nor should it be. Time needs to pass. The Lannisters – particularly Tywin – need to savor the victory and believe that the alliance with the Tyrells will secure their domination over the realm.

    Ned’s shocking death was followed by “The King in the North” which gave the audience hope going into S2. For S3, I think there needs to be something to balance the shock and horror of the RW to give the audience hope going into S4. If not the PW, then what?

    For me, as a reader, the PW did not balance the horror of the RW. As a result of the PW, Tyrion is unjustly accused of kinslaying. Sansa escapes but is being hunted. Meanwhile, Roose assumes power over the North. While there may be some vindication in Joff’s death, it does little to counteract the RW. (Just my personal reaction, of course.) After all, the Lannisters remain in control.

    The only scene that may give the audience “hope” is the appearance of Lady Stoneheart as she moves thru the Riverlands hanging Freys. Its probably more horrific than hopeful but its just a thought.

  157. Zack
    Posted January 20, 2013 at 6:56 pm | Permalink

    MaryS-NJ: If not the PW, then what?

    Not every line has to end the season with the good guys ahead or on equal ground, you know. That’d be mighty boring.

    But Dany and Jon’s lines should give the audience plenty of hope, depending on where the season ends each of their plots.

  158. MaryS-NJ
    Posted January 20, 2013 at 6:56 pm | Permalink

    Ours is the Fury:
    They really won’t. Terrible things happen all the time on TV shows and people tune in to enjoy the car wreck of it all.
    And King in the North wasn’t a big “hope” moment. It was more of a “These people are going to war” moment.

    That’s one interpretation, but to me and others it was a way of showing that the Starks were not destroyed by Eddard’s murder, but would free themselves from the tyrant on the throne and fight back to avenge Ned.

    If the show is overbearingly “bad guys constantly foil and beat the crap out of the good guys”, some people will just give up on the show because it’s depressing.

  159. Josh
    Posted January 20, 2013 at 7:01 pm | Permalink

    A lot of fans were able to soothe themselves from Ned’s death with the hope that Robb was going to kick some ass and get the win for the Stark’s…but when he dies, if there is no hope for the North and for the Stark. Killing Joffery gives hope and sort of reshuffles the field, giving fans hope that maybe the good guy wins. So while I don’t want the PW to happen…I do understand why it might. It’s a TV thing. TV viewers aren’t like book readers..

    Also I think Talsia is dying at the RW. Really is no reason to keep her around after Robb’s death. No I don’t think she’ll marry Ramsey…There is no reason for it and they can’t make her pregnant because that screws with book things and where I think Rickon’s story will probably end.

  160. Bram Serra
    Posted January 20, 2013 at 7:07 pm | Permalink

    Zack:
    Tyrion Pimpslap,

    It’s not going to come out of nowhere though. Unless they don’t bother showing Mel putting those slugs in the flames or whatever it was. But that scene should be so cool they really ought to do it.

    And once the first two parts happen, everybody will know the third is on the way. I expect a lot of non-readers to chatter about ‘how’ they imagine it will go down, not whether it will.

    But yeah, PW in this season would be stupid.

    Agree!!

  161. mariamb18
    Posted January 20, 2013 at 7:09 pm | Permalink

    MaryS-NJ,

    Alternatively, I view the “King in the North” scene with dread, not hope. I, too, see war…a war that they are unprepared for. The look that Robb exchanges with Catelyn after the Greatjon has made his declaration is heart-breaking.

    And as far as viewers giving up on the show because its “depressing”…
    To me, that would be more reason to watch: to wait for vengeance to be realized. I like to think the RW binds viewers/readers to this story and rather than driving them away.

  162. bon
    Posted January 20, 2013 at 7:20 pm | Permalink

    MaryS-NJ,

    Julian Glover knows that Tywin will die, because Charles Dance knows it!!! Someone told him that at the street.

  163. AdrianAegon
    Posted January 20, 2013 at 7:21 pm | Permalink

    1. PW is in S4: RW is in the S3 climatic episode 9, and ep 10 will deal with the aftermath. Joffrey can’t die immediatly. I think the scene when he rejoiced and claims that he beat Robb will be shown with Tywin angry and ready to apply a “lesson”.

    *Also Tywin will inform Tyrion of the impending arrival of Oberyn Martell and he should go meet him. Sansa will be shown devastated as she receives the RW news, Tyrion consoling her, and Shae gelous (their relationship must break and this is a great start for that).

    2. About Loras and Sansa – 99% will happen, with Willas, eliminated from this scheme; but Willas can be mentioned as the heir of Highgarden when Tywin will propose the marriage between him and Cersei. Is a possibility here, without fully cuting him from the story.

    3. Jon’s story: S3 – Jon with Mance and co., on-Ygritte lovestory, Jon climbing the wall, Queenscrown, Jon back at Castle Black, the small attack, Ygritte dies, Jon watches the army of Mance gathering at the wall.
    S4 – The battle, their win, Janos Slynt plot, his beheading, Lord commander elections with Sam’s intrigue, Jon and Mance and the horn, The arrival of Stannis, the first moments between Stannis and Jon.

    4. The season endings: S3 -UnCat – a shocker, omg moment, call it your way.
    S4 – the revelations at the Eyrie. -the realisation that is Littlefinger’s fault, after all, for the deaths in the series was a shocker to me. Why Petyr? Why?

    This are my bets. I’m not saying this is it, but I made a logical parting. Hope u agree.

  164. MaryS-NJ
    Posted January 20, 2013 at 7:22 pm | Permalink

    mariamb18:
    MaryS-NJ,

    Alternatively, I view the “King in the North” scene with dread, not hope. I, too, see war…a war that they are unprepared for. The look that Robb exchanges with Catelyn after the Greatjon has made his declaration is heart-breaking.

    And as far as viewers giving up on the show because its “depressing”…
    To me, that would be more reason to watch: to wait for vengeance to be realized. I like to think the RW binds viewers/readers to this story and rather than driving them away.

    I get that for some people, but I wonder if that’s partly because you knew what was coming from having read the books. It took me a long time to finish ASOS after the RW . I almost didn’t, but a friend suggested I stick with it. With the TV show if the audience share drops because people give up in disgust, the show could be cancelled.

  165. mariamb18
    Posted January 20, 2013 at 7:37 pm | Permalink

    MaryS-NJ,

    I continued reading after the RW because I knew that there was much more to come. I am not deterred when bad things happen to the good people in this story. I love the twists, the unexpected outcomes. These are personal preferences, of course.

    Here’s a question for you: are you happy that you kept reading?

    With the TV show if the audience share drops because people give up in disgust, the show could be cancelled.

    I don’t think that this show is in danger of being cancelled. I also don’t think that tons of people will quit in reaction to the RW.

  166. saark
    Posted January 20, 2013 at 7:43 pm | Permalink

    another potential argument for PW in S3: $$$$

    If the PW is pushed to S4, then it would likely happen earlier in the season, possibly in S4E01. Which would mean Gleeson would have to be hired for a whole other production season, only to be killed very very early . But then again, Renly dies pretty early in S2 so who knows…. and besides, the showrunners certain have major revenues from the first two seasons so it might not be a very strong reason.

  167. towerofjoy
    Posted January 20, 2013 at 8:39 pm | Permalink

    Josh,

    This isn’t TV. It’s HBO.

  168. Ours is the Fury
    Posted January 20, 2013 at 8:56 pm | Permalink

    In this new interview with Aidan Gillen, he said:

    “I’m chilling out till June,” he said. “And then I’m going back to do Game Of Thrones.”

    Aidan plays the part of Lord Petyr ‘Littlefinger’ Baelish in the hit HBO series and Gillen says he’s looking forward to filming. “It should be a good one — I have a ship in this series which is cool.”
    I don’t think we have to worry about the show being cancelled after S3.

  169. Jaime Saltcliffe
    Posted January 20, 2013 at 9:35 pm | Permalink

    Tyrion Pimpslap,
    is set to happen at episode 9, I think that is a huge mistake for the showrunners. In the books, it is most effective because it is completely surprising which makes it much more devastating. However, the audience will be expecting something cataclysmic for Ep 9 and unless there are some Red Herrings in the episode to the draw attention away from the wedding, I think the betrayal will be too obvious.

    It would be more effective for it to appear in a more unassuming episode. Where is this confirmed?

    Also, why couldnt this be the season of weddings? And I mean all weddings of all colors.

  170. Maester Mullin
    Posted January 20, 2013 at 9:50 pm | Permalink

    After The Feast,

    totally agree

  171. House Snow
    Posted January 20, 2013 at 10:59 pm | Permalink

    Jaime Saltcliffe:
    Tyrion Pimpslap,

    If that is true and the RW is set to happen at episode 9, I think that is a huge mistake for the showrunners. In the books, it is most effective because it is completely surprising which makes it much more devastating. However, the audience will be expecting something cataclysmic for Ep 9 and unless there are some Red Herrings in the episode to the draw attention away fromthe wedding, I think the betrayal will be too obvious.

    It would be more effective for it to appear in a more unassuming episode. Where is this confirmed?

    Also, why couldnt this be the season of weddings? And I mean all weddings of all colors.

    I wish people would stop making this argument, its ridiculous. Show climax at the end of seasons, this is hardly a new thing.

  172. TastesLikeTheSea
    Posted January 20, 2013 at 11:21 pm | Permalink

    Jaime Saltcliffe,

    I’m with you. They should have the RW in the first episode, right after the theme.

  173. Selmy
    Posted January 20, 2013 at 11:45 pm | Permalink

    Forgot to mention. That bit in the hall at 0:32 in KL with Lannisters and the Tyrells, only one we don’t see is Tyrion. Judging by Tywin’s face it seems like Tyrion is crashing the arrival of the Tyrells :)

  174. King Tommen
    Posted January 21, 2013 at 12:56 am | Permalink

    House Snow,

    I agree that it’s a really stupid argument. So nothing substantial should happen near the end of the season because the audience is expecting something to happen near the end of the season?

    Not to mention that you can’t really draw any kind of trends with this show to this point based on the first 2 seasons. In the first season, a shocking death happened at the end of the 2nd last episode and then in the final episode dragons were born. In the 2nd season, the 2nd last episode contained a prolonged battle which claimed the lives of no major characters and ended up maintaining the status quo in King’s Landing. Then the final episode ended with a shocking cliffhanger.

    And you know why the RW is shocking? Because even if you could sense the writing was on the wall for a certain character, you definitely did not anticipate that there would be a slaughter executed so viciously and comprehensively. That’s why it bowls people over. It had absolutely nothing to do with where it was in the book.

  175. ColdDrake
    Posted January 21, 2013 at 1:26 am | Permalink

    They need to treat this season carefully. There’s a limit to how many times an audience will put up with a season ending with a Stark brutally murdered and Joffrey laughing. Audience reaction could be amazing for this season but it could also result in diminshed enthusiasm/buzz heading into season 4 if it’s not done right. I’m also thinking that using only half of the book could make it feel a bit slow in spots and for certain characters. Storylines for characters Davos/Stannis and Theon could be very thin.

  176. Stephen Dickinson
    Posted January 21, 2013 at 2:18 am | Permalink

    Is that a spear at the back of jojen’s neck?(1:43)

  177. Arkash
    Posted January 21, 2013 at 2:50 am | Permalink

    Stephen Dickinson,

    Yep, and as I’ve already said, I’m ready to bet it’s Osha pointing it when she feel she (Bran and co) are trailed and sneak of in the woods (we already saw a glimpse of that scene in a previous video) and stumbles on the Reeds.

  178. mags giantsbabe
    Posted January 21, 2013 at 4:09 am | Permalink

    People shouldn’t be concerned that nothing will happen at King’s Landing. It will probably just be less than usual, with lots of juicy and more meaty stuff happening elsewhere (dany, jon, bran etc). Theon and Stannis will also mayhaps not be thin necessarily, but only brief rather, which could make it more interesting.

    It would be interesting to see also what S4 will be structured like if the other event takes places then. Maybe early with a bigger battle coming in later. So I don’t think S4 will be a letdown after what happens in S3.

    I have a feeling we are not seeing anything of Orrel because his character might involve some special effects or interesting plot twists not in the book (hopefully two large cats). Richard Madden said at Comic-Con last year that he’s excited to see Mckenzie Crook as Orrel because he does some “terrible/outrageous things”, can’t remember the exact wording. Either that or Crook is in fact playing a member of the Night’s Watch. Then the wording would also make sense.

  179. Darquemode
    Posted January 21, 2013 at 5:05 am | Permalink

    mags giantsbabe,

    I don’t think Season 4 will be a let down either.
    So many exciting things happen in the latter half of ASoS that there should be more an enough to fill the season nicely. Especially with some Iron Islands scenes moved forwrd from AFfC.

    I wonder if they will create some new scenes or pad Arya’s arc…. Maybe move Cat of the Canals forward….. Either way I hope they let Arya come into her own and kill for herself and with purpose. They avoided much of that last year in what I hope ws an attempt to slow build her darker side…..

    Also intrigued by whether or not they will push some Dorne events forward and introduce more than just Oberyn and Ellaria Sand in Season 4. Maybe remind people that Myrcella Baratheon is alive and in Dorne etc….

    I’m not sure I agree about Orell not being seen much….
    I think he may be a combination or Orell and Varamyr like many others. That would give him more non-bird face time or a larger number of animals to warg into, but I also I think if you cast someone like Crook you want to show him. Plus any Skinchanger scenes with animals run into the same problems of Season 1 or Season 2 – real animals are hard to work with and CGI animals take time and money. If we get a few well placed warging scenes I will be happy honestly. I do not expect long animal scenes or too many of them….

  180. Kroms
    Posted January 21, 2013 at 5:10 am | Permalink

    AdrianAegon:
    This are my bets. I’m not saying this is it, but I made a logical parting. Hope u agree.

    I agree on some points, but it makes sense to put the PW as the finale. Firstly, it shows what Stannis saw in the fire in season two: all three pretenders dying. Secondly, it washes-out the horror of the Red Wedding. Thirdly, it makes thematic sense. Stannis needs to rise again. The way needs to be cleared.

    The conversation you mentioned between Tyrion and Tywin should end episode nine. I did myself the favour of adapting the scene to practice screenwriting, and found it worked best if that’s how it ended the episode. Tyrion looks to Tywin, asks when should he tell Sansa that Robb and Cat have been murdered – before or after he takes her maidenhead – and they hold each other’s looks. Tyrion exits the room and the episode ends.

  181. Joan Català
    Posted January 21, 2013 at 5:17 am | Permalink

    I agree with the fact that some of the viewers may be bothered by the RW and the constant blows the Stark family keeps on receiving and stop watching. This is why the Jon and Dany storylines have to be flawless. If viewers won’t come back for the Westeros storyline, make them come back for the Wall and Slaver’s Bay storyline. PW will be then a major surprise for them!

  182. Tharipeth
    Posted January 21, 2013 at 7:04 am | Permalink

    Ours is the Fury:
    In this new interview with Aidan Gillen, he said:

    “I’m chilling out till June,” he said. “And then I’m going back to do Game Of Thrones.”


    Aidan plays the part of Lord Petyr ‘Littlefinger’ Baelish in the hit HBO series and Gillen says he’s looking forward to filming. “It should be a good one — I have a ship in this series which is cool.”

    Could that be taken to mean the PW is in season 3?
    LF was only on the ship for like a single chapter in the books, surely he was told how his story would begin next year and not much else. That would mean his story next year begins on the ship with Sansa on their way to the Eyrie.

    I’m torn on the PW though, While I don’t mind either way, I think I’d rather it be in season 4 but can’t see any other good closure for season 3.

    What happens to these storylines if there’s no PW?
    If: Stannis burns the leeches and only two pretenders die.
    Sansa is told she will be rescued at the beginning of the season and then isn’t.
    The Tyrell’s arrive to do what exactly? Why does the QoT arrive this year if the wedding doesn’t happen?
    Where does Jaime’s story end? Still on the way to KL? (Obviously Jaime HAS to arrive after the PW)

    What does Cersei do for an entire season?

    The PW is the perfect endpoint for Season 3 when you look at it objectively, it starts off s4 nicely.

    Plus, it would definitely bring in the awards with all these major events in one season :)

    Read lotun’s post on this page for a complete anaylsis of why the PW should be in s3.
    http://asoiaf.westeros.org/index.php/topic/68733-book-spoilers-rw-season-3-or-4-part-2/page__st__140

  183. Maggie Giantsbabe
    Posted January 21, 2013 at 8:12 am | Permalink

    Darquemode,

    I actually enjoyed AfFC, especially Cersei”s slow downfall and Sam’s interesting discussion with Aemon on the boat before he dies. So I look forward to alot that will be happening in S4/5.

    And that’s pretty much the point I want to make about Orrel too. I would love to see the other Starks warg. Maybe Orrel will even be used to hint to Jon what he is. Because they can “sense” each other. It would be cool if they could show it like that. And if Jon is reborn as Azor Ahai and his warging becomes important and is connected to the prophecy, then they probably need to start hinting at it some time now or later.

  184. Joshua Taylor
    Posted January 21, 2013 at 8:19 am | Permalink

    Wow surprised at this growing rejection of the PW not being in season 3. But to each their own. We will have to just wait and see. Someone will be eating crow either way.

  185. Maggie Giantsbabe
    Posted January 21, 2013 at 8:19 am | Permalink

    Oh, and Mance and the Queen of Thorns simply look amazing. It also looks as if they changed the Wildling wardrobe a bit.

  186. Pat whalen
    Posted January 21, 2013 at 8:44 am | Permalink

    Thoros has a red chainmaile cloak. That’s so awesome

  187. Eric
    Posted January 21, 2013 at 8:59 am | Permalink

    It’s good that the show creators seem to put real effort into maintaining consistency in terms of wadrobe and set design.

    It truly makes it feel like one season directly follows on from the other.

  188. GibsonExplorer
    Posted January 21, 2013 at 10:05 am | Permalink

    To all the people who think it’s a ridiculous argument for the PWthis season:

    I’m arguing from the point of view of how to make proper story arcs. If the season climaxes with the RW, and Joffrey being all happy about it, then it’s a repeat of seasons 1 and 2. Ned dies….Joffrey wins. Stannis loses….Joffrey wins. Robb dies…..Joffrey wins. Yay. Now before you accuse me, I am not arguing that it will be too sad for viewers and that they’ll stop watching the show, because I don’t think that’s true at all. If viewers were THAT fickle, everyone would have stopped watching when Ned died. But seriously, there has been NO advancement in Joffrey’s story since he became king (slight advancement during Blackwater and the finale of s2, but that’s it). He needs to die at the end of season 3, and it is the perfect season ender. It will not undermine the RW at all, but will instead contrast perfectly with it. If you read the book, it’s only about 250 pages after the RW.

  189. Tom O' Sevens
    Posted January 21, 2013 at 10:20 am | Permalink

    Tharipeth: Could that be taken to mean the PW is in season 3?
    LF was only on the ship for like a single chapter in the books, surely he was told how his story would begin next year and not much else. That would mean his story next year begins on the ship with Sansa on their way to the Eyrie.

    I’m torn on the PW though, While I don’t mind either way, I think I’d rather it be in season 4 but can’t see any other good closure for season 3.

    What happens to these storylines if there’s no PW?
    If: Stannis burns the leeches and only two pretenders die.
    Sansa is told she will be rescued at the beginning of the season and then isn’t.
    The Tyrell’s arrive to do what exactly? Why does the QoT arrive this year if the wedding doesn’t happen?
    Where does Jaime’s story end? Still on the way to KL? (Obviously Jaime HAS to arrive after the PW)

    What does Cersei do for an entire season?

    The PW is the perfect endpoint for Season 3 when you look at it objectively, it starts off s4 nicely.

    Plus, it would definitely bring in the awards with all these major events in one season :)

    Read lotun’s post on this page for a complete anaylsis of why the PW should be in s3.
    http://asoiaf.westeros.org/index.php/topic/68733-book-spoilers-rw-season-3-or-4-part-2/page__st__140

    1)Littlefingers ship could just be the one he uses to go to the Eyrie to marry Lyssa Tully, not to save Sansa.
    2)3 leeches burned and only 2 deaths makes perfect sense as Davos calls out Melisandre on that very fact allowing Stannis to let Davos live after he saves Edric Storm (will probably be replaced by Shireen for tv).
    3)The PW will not happen in season 3. This will mean that Tyrion will be thrown in jail at the end of season 3 stealing precious moments from the book like Tyrion meeting the Red Viper at the gates.
    4) As for your question, “what will the Tyrells do all season?”. Since these characters did not have a POV new material could easily be made for them such as : their reaction to finding out about the Lannisters pact with the Martells, margaery making Cersei jealous as people call her queen, the queen of thorns belittling Cersei, Tyrells setting up the martiage between Sansa and lame Lothar, etc.
    5) Episode 10 is used to wrap up story arcs and prepare us for season 4. This means we might see Jon escaping from the Wildlings and warning the nights watch, Bran meeting Coldhands and Sam, Danearys getting called” Mysha”, Tyrion finding out that the Red Viper is at the gates, RW reaction from Joffery as he gloats in Sansa’s face, RW reaction from Tyrion and Tywin “explain to me how it is more honorable to kill thousands in battle than a dozen at dinner?”, Arya killing Polliver at the in “is there gold in the village”, Possible Cat resurrection, etc.

    5)explain to me how we can have all this material in episode 10 and still have the PW?

    End

  190. Hertolo
    Posted January 21, 2013 at 10:22 am | Permalink

    From a story arc point of view, you could also argue that the PW starts up storylines like Tyrion’s travels, so that’s not really the only argument. But this side of the topic is open for discussion… There are other arguments against the PW in season 3:
    The screen time that a proper adaption of the wedding needs, from Tyrion’s dragon sex and the book gift to Joffrey making fun of Tyrion at the feast.
    The production time that a good set, good costumes, well prepared actors, etc. need and that is conflicting in season 3 with the Queenscrown scenes, the Tyrion/Sansa wedding, Dany and the Unsullied, Beric’s Fiery Sword and last and most important the Red Wedding.

    I personally prefer if the producers take their time for these scenes and don’t rush them in.

  191. Tom O' Sevens
    Posted January 21, 2013 at 10:32 am | Permalink

    House Snow: I wish people would stop making this argument, its ridiculous.Show climax at the end of seasons, this is hardly a new thing.

    the RW was already confirmed for episode 9. Winteriscoming confirmed it. This makes perfect sense as we got great episode 9s in our previous 2 seasons

  192. Lollius Palicanus
    Posted January 21, 2013 at 10:40 am | Permalink

    Tharipeth:
    Where does Jaime’s story end? Still on the way to KL? (Obviously Jaime HAS to arrive after the PW)

    Good question. Bear pit?

  193. Joshua Taylor
    Posted January 21, 2013 at 10:44 am | Permalink

    If HBO leave the PW until early season 4, it will be a bold, brilliant move. The very fact that people are expecting something to happen in episode 9 makes it less likely for the audience to assume something will happen. The aftermath of the Wedding is crucial for many characters even the Lannisters. The audience, the good portion will appreciate an episode to mourn. As for the argument of the PW perfectly contrasting with the RW, having the PW so soon will render it bittersweet. Whereas two eps into season 4, its shocking, the returning audience will be resigned to his presence albeit mightily annoyed but when the PW happens it will be a real “yes” Fist pumping moment. With the Boltons setting camp as the rulers of the North in ep 10, Joffrey buying it in S4 brings fresh excitement and momentum. Especially if they do it within the first two episodes. Also the Dorne storyline can begin at this point. Season 4 to me is the perfect time for the PW.

    Also episose 10 of 3 has great potential:
    Sansa mourning, the Lannister reaction, a possible Tywin to Joffrey slap, the setup of the Red Viper en route, Davos reading the letter, Jaime, Brienne and the bearpit, Arya and the Inn of the Crossroads, the “death” of the Hound, the death of Balon Greyjoy, the setup of Lady Stoneheart, the arrival of Jon Snow at the wall or even the approach of the Wilding horde and the siege of Yunkai/Mereen. A great end would be Arya on a ship passing through the legs of the Titan of Braavos.

    Essentially Season 3 should be the Empire Strikes Back of the series :-)

  194. rofl
    Posted January 21, 2013 at 10:52 am | Permalink

    Selmy:
    Shit that’s awesome :)

    I think the scene with all the Tyrells is their arrival in KL, seems like the new set is a hall or something. Margery’s scene with the mysterious blond in KL could be her and her cousin going to meet someone in secret. Seems like we may see Margeary is not really a virgin afterall.

    Glad to see Jon climbing the Wall. Missed it.


    I personally can’t wait for Arya’s cave scene.

    can’t wait for jon and ygritte’s cave scene :P

  195. Joshua Taylor
    Posted January 21, 2013 at 11:05 am | Permalink

    Any word if Owen Teale will be reprising his Alliser Thorne this season? Or will they save him for season 4?

  196. Arkash
    Posted January 21, 2013 at 11:09 am | Permalink

    rofl: can’t wait for jon and ygritte’s cave scene :P

    I think he meant the cave scene with Beric vs. The Hound. ^^

  197. Joan Català
    Posted January 21, 2013 at 11:44 am | Permalink

    For my part, I think I’m gonna go back to wishing that there were 12 episodes to a season. That way the PW would fit in just nicely at the end of the season. :)
    #wishfulthinking

  198. Zack
    Posted January 21, 2013 at 11:45 am | Permalink

    Joshua Taylor,

    It’s not going to happen so early :)

    The biggest reason is that why would they want to hurry these characters to the point where they’re gonna have less to do, when they totally don’t need to do it? There’s not really a hell of a lot of KL stuff to do in the aftermath of the wedding and trial, besides Cersei’s stuff. They won’t blow their wad this early, not when they can spend a season drawing it out brilliantly.

  199. gecc1
    Posted January 21, 2013 at 12:22 pm | Permalink

    Reason why PW won’t be in S3, but S3 will still end with a big ray of hope.

    Tywin will get murdered in S3. All signs point to it. Tywin will display how formidable an opponent he is in S3 by orchestrating the RW and outmaneuvering the Queen of Thorns. However, he has nothing to do in S4 other than die.
    So it is quite simple. At the end of S3 Tywin sends Shae to wherever it is that whores go and Tyrion kills Tywin for it. No one finds out who killed Tywin, and all the idiocy in KL in Season 4 is a lot more believable because of Tywin’s absence. Having Tyrion not be the one to kill Shae makes him more likable and gives him for a whore to search for (Shae) in later seasons.

  200. Darquemode
    Posted January 21, 2013 at 12:24 pm | Permalink

    Tharipeth,

    Personally I think the RW is a powerful enough event that it affects other region arcs and can suffice as a arc conclusion…. even the King’s Landing arc.

    - Stannis burning the leeches will not play as a big deal to most viewers I bet, not like it does to the readers.
    - Without Dontos who will be Sansa’s rescuer? In my mind her “escape” is marrying to the Tyrells. When that falls apart and she weds Tyrion it is a very natural arc comclusion.
    - The Tyrells arrive to assert themselves in the power heirachy and not just for a wedding IMO. Their scheming with Sansa can play out over an entire season. Margery/ QOT vs Cersei/ Tywin tbecomes the central focus.
    - Jaime’s arc should end with the bear pit fight or just after as he makes his way back to KL with Brienne IMO.

    Allowing the RW to be the climactic event gives the audience and the story time to breath at the end of Season 3 and the beginning of Season 4. Personally I think the fall out of the RW requires more than one episode and having the PW as a midseason event in Season 4 allows for thats well as having a mid-season twist that changes everything.

    Also, I think Oberyn and the Dornish arriving makes for the most natural introduction to Season 4. We are literally introduced to that part of the world and all the drama Oberyn brings with him. Combine that with Arya setting out from the RW and Jon being back with the Watch and it feels like a new beginning to me.

  201. Tyrion Pimpslap
    Posted January 21, 2013 at 2:19 pm | Permalink

    gecc1,

    No.

  202. gecc1
    Posted January 21, 2013 at 2:54 pm | Permalink

    Tyrion Pimpslap,

    Wanna bet?

    Would explain why some cast members are saying “Wait till you see how Tywin dies. Would also free up cast salary space to bring in a big name for Season 4. All signs are there. Having Tywin make Shae disappear would also make for a stronger connection with Tyrion. Book readers know Tysha, but TV viewers have a bond with Shae.

  203. MaryS-NJ
    Posted January 21, 2013 at 3:06 pm | Permalink

    mariamb18:
    MaryS-NJ,

    I continued reading after the RW because I knew that there was much more to come. I am not deterred when bad things happen to the good people in this story. I love the twists, the unexpected outcomes. These are personal preferences, of course.

    Here’s a question for you: are you happy that you kept reading?

    I don’t think that this show is in danger of being cancelled. I also don’t think that tons of people will quit in reaction to the RW.

    Yes, I did read the rest of ASOS then AFFC and ADWD. I’m not sorry that I did – but it took me a while to get over the shock and horror of the RW. However, my boss couldn’t deal with it, wanted to know (without plot spoilers) if things get better for various Starks (especially Arya)… I didn’t want to lie to get her to finish the books so I told her there isn’t much relief for the Starks by the end of Dance but assured her that GRRM promised a “bittersweet” ending. She hasn’t been able to finish to books nor did she finish season 2 of the TV series. I can’t persuade her to stick with it. It’s too bad because we used to enjoy chatting about the episodes in season 1.

    I don’t think she’s the only one. There are some people who become fans of characters who have been wronged and want to see justice served. If it’s too one-sided in which certain characters come out on top at the expense of other sympathetic characters, it does have an effect.

    Then again, I suppose that if True Blood is still popular despite the ridiculousness of last season, and dumbing down or character assassination, GoT should do a better job of holding on to its audience. At least it has been more faithful to the source material. I hope so anyway.

  204. Joshua Taylor
    Posted January 21, 2013 at 3:33 pm | Permalink

    MaryS-NJ,

    Personally I think people get too attached to the characters and not attached enough to the ASOIAF universe as a whole. It’s a tapestry of human ambition, love and hate, light and dark (but always grey) life and death…ice and fire. Those who bail out well it’s their loss if you ask me.
    The showrunners hopefully realize this. I am certain people left the series after Ned’s death and let’s face it we are going to lose some after the RW. That’s why killing Joffrey in ep 10 is a dumb move. People will want to see him get his just desserts and will watch until he has done so. It’s up to the production to make the post Joffrey, post RW era enticing enough for them to continue. If you kill Joff at the end of season 3 people will leave the show with the satisfaction that he is dead.

  205. towerofjoy
    Posted January 21, 2013 at 3:38 pm | Permalink

    gecc1,

    Yeah i’d be willing to bet a fair amount.

    No offense but thats a really bad idea…

    Tywin will have more to do than die in season 4. A very important scene where he tells jaime that he ‘isnt his son’. He also needs to be a judge for tyrions trial. And he needs to be found to be shagging shae.

    Also julian glover said in an interview that charles dance has a brilliant death scene to film for the next season. Theyve finished filming series 3. It will be season 4 i promise you

  206. Tyrion Pimpslap
    Posted January 21, 2013 at 3:49 pm | Permalink

    gecc1,

    Name the amount. Charles Dance found out how Tywin dies from a fan and he was amused by it and talks about it quite a bit. He discussed it with Glover, who then asked D&D how Pycelle dies. Knowing how his character dies does not mean they already shot the scene. Charles Dance even mentioned that Tywin will get his comeuppance next season after he spends season 3 being terrible towards Tyrion. Tywin will not die in season 3. Frankly, I can’t believe how gullible some fans are to freak out over this.

  207. mariamb18
    Posted January 21, 2013 at 4:28 pm | Permalink

    MaryS-NJ,

    I’m sorry that your boss could not stay with the story. It is enjoyable to be able to chat with a friend or two about the plot and the characters. But this story requires commitment and dedication. If readers/viewers want instant satisfaction from a story, then this is probably not for them. And that’s too bad because I think that we will get what we are seeking (Stark vengeance) eventually.

    Joshua Taylor:
    MaryS-NJ,

    Personally I think people get too attached to the characters and not attached enough to the ASOIAF universe as a whole. It’s a tapestry of human ambition, love and hate, light and dark (but always grey) life and death…ice and fire. Those who bail out well it’s their loss if you ask me.


    I completely agree with this statement. For me, ASOIAF and GOT is not about one character or one family; its about the entire world that they live in. Sure, I have my favorites. I may root against some characters but there are very few that I don’t enjoy reading about.

    I don’t particularly care when we see the PW…as long as it is executed well and stays as close to the events in the book as possible. And, for me, that means including Mace and Oberyn, giving Tywin time to relish his conquest of the Starks, seeing the reaction to RW across the realm. Based on what we currently know about casting and episode scheduling, I don’t think that all this can be accomplished in Ep 10.

  208. WildSeed
    Posted January 21, 2013 at 4:36 pm | Permalink

    I suppose it’s too soon to be worried about Talisa, but after the RW wedding
    at the Twins, and later perhaps happenings at Riverrun, the necessity of her
    character is questionable. After all, in ASOIAF, the Westerlings had a history
    with Tywin Lannister, partly because of their Westeros citizenship. That
    Talisa’s family is from Volantis does not rule out a relationship, but very
    unlikely.
    I suppose the script writers will come up with a useful insert,
    and explain away the arc in a few appropriate scenes. I just cannot get over
    the incongruence of her character though, the revision seems awkward,
    but probably makes sense as they come up with GoT only plots.

  209. Carne
    Posted January 21, 2013 at 4:51 pm | Permalink

    Mark Killeen as Mero (on the left) and who I assume is Ramon Tikaram as Prendahl (on the right): http://i.imgur.com/TMy2c9e.png

  210. Ours is the Fury
    Posted January 21, 2013 at 5:04 pm | Permalink

    Carne,

    Cool! Is that from a reddit thread? That’s definitely Tikaram (and Killeen). Man in the middle owns the picture, I’m guessing?

  211. Carne
    Posted January 21, 2013 at 5:07 pm | Permalink

    Ours is the Fury,

    Same guy who posted all the other set pics! https://twitter.com/Nordstrand_K1/status/293469816671588352

    Doesn’t look like HBO told him to stop ;)

  212. Darquemode
    Posted January 21, 2013 at 5:10 pm | Permalink

    mariamb18,

    I agree with both of you and in fact will take it a step further…
    As the series progresses and the characters and story evolves I have shifted from one favorite character or story to another multiple times.

    After AGOT I never would have suspected Jaime Lannister could become my favorite character and arc a couple of books later and my initial favorite character, Arya, would slide a long way down the totem pole a couple of books after that… I never would have assumed that a region (Dorne) barely mentioned in the start of the series would become one of my favorites to read about.

    In my mind that is because I am actually more into the world as a whole and as certain characters or arcs have more layers peeled away I gravitate towards them. I am not reading it to see what happens to one character… I’m interested in what happened to the greater narrative of the Seven Kingdoms as a whole.

  213. Darquemode
    Posted January 21, 2013 at 5:12 pm | Permalink

    Carne,

    Nice find. :)
    And here’s to hoping we may see some of our picks in the desired roles posing with this guy this time next year!
    XD

  214. Ours is the Fury
    Posted January 21, 2013 at 5:15 pm | Permalink

    Carne,

    Weird- I thought it looked like him but wasn’t the same guy. He looks a lot younger to me in this picture. Thanks!

  215. Steven Swanson
    Posted January 21, 2013 at 6:48 pm | Permalink

    Jaime Saltcliffe: Also, why couldnt this be the season of weddings? And I mean all weddings of all colors.

    There are still plenty of weddings to come in future seasons (Tommen/Margaery, Ramsay/Jeyne-Arya, Dany/Reznagrazynkwhatever). I’ve nearing the end of a reread and have been reminded just how many freaking weddings there are in this series, at least one per book on average.

  216. Darquemode
    Posted January 21, 2013 at 7:47 pm | Permalink

    Steven Swanson,

    Taking into account the aged up casting of Margery and Tommen’s age, that could make for one awkward wedding and bedding! I wonder if they will adjust somehow.

    I guess it was somewhat awkward in the book anyway, but now, even if we consider Margery to be more like 28 and not Dormer’s real age of 32 or 33 when the scene comes around, Margery is old enough to be a then 11 or 12-year old Tommen’s mother.

  217. denizreyiz
    Posted January 21, 2013 at 8:32 pm | Permalink

    1.04

    To the left;is that Arstan?

  218. Tenesmus
    Posted January 21, 2013 at 9:47 pm | Permalink

    King Tommen,

    Yes, and you are also a producer, writer, director in your spare time. Quoth the Raven, “you know nothing.”

  219. Tenesmus
    Posted January 21, 2013 at 9:51 pm | Permalink

    None from Dorne need be cast to have the PW. Stannis was only talked about in the first season; likely Dorne will be talked about this season, but not shown. Dorne folk show up in ep one season 4 to deal with the aftermath of the PW.

  220. mags giantsbabe
    Posted January 22, 2013 at 2:03 pm | Permalink

    At New York comic-con last year Kit Harington said a very true thing when he described the show as testing the patience of the audience. It’s exactly what this show does. And I have to agree with many who question the availability of screen time for PW in episode 10, with so many other stories having to reach a conclusion (cliff hanger or no). S2′s finale was already a little rushed, even with ten extra minutes (but being brilliant nonetheless). I’m all for twelve episodes, but imagine the surprise filled structure of S4 with an unexpected but welcomed event early in the season and new and interesting characters (more Greyjoys) and another battle of epic proportions later.

    The mistake we as book readers make is to ideally expect EVERYTHING to fit into the structure of a season/episode. Sure, we all have our favourite moments/characters and want to see it on screen, but as someone above suggested, we should be attached the world as a whole and not just characters and/or events. It’s more enjoyable that way, I think.

  221. Joshua Taylor
    Posted January 22, 2013 at 2:07 pm | Permalink

    mags giantsbabe,

    ^ This.

  222. Matt
    Posted January 22, 2013 at 5:39 pm | Permalink

    I agree with the majority – PW in Season 3 is a huge mistake and will ultimately undermine the RW. D&D have stated many times that the RW is what they’ve been working towards, so I doubt they’d want to ruin the impact and cram in the PW in Episode 10. No, PW will be in Season 4. It will also be a great mid-season cataclysm that will create new avenues for character and story arcs and will serve as a great lead-in to Tyrion’s storyline in the latter half of Season 4.

    My bet for the season ending: A drowned figure rises out of a river in the early morning… We see the person stumbling around from their POV. They approach two Frey’s standing nearby. They are horrified by what they see: Lady Stoneheart. Screen fades to black – we hear the Freys screaming. Credits.

  223. WildSeed
    Posted January 22, 2013 at 6:10 pm | Permalink

    mags giantsbabe,

    Well stated Mags , Joshua, and a number of people here. The world of ASOIAF
    is in itself , a test of patience and expectations in a flawed world. The characters
    struggled to remain true to themselves, and viewers get to see this recreated onscreen.
    As many have noted in detail, at past subject posts, season three promises to be an
    ambitious one. Much will be added, that an additional 7 minutes may not suffice.
    There are also very discreet actions planned by the showrunners that fans at this
    point may only speculate about. Those may include the balance of scenes for
    both S3 & S4, and possibly to rethink the consideration for additional episodes.
    It just may be ( pure speculation here ), that HBO may be willing to grant GoT
    an extra two episodes now that TrueBlood has been reduced to 10 instead of the
    usual 12 episodes. Even if hoping for an extended episode 3rd or 4th season proves
    to be a pipe dream, I’d still revere the effort GoT hopes to accomplish in the time
    the producers have. Alan and a few others put the production in very pragmatic
    terms, and think this remains true , in spite of of expectations we fans believe
    is due ( to please us ).

  224. siberia82
    Posted January 23, 2013 at 12:22 pm | Permalink

    Just to add to the speculation regarding when Loras will join the Kingsguard, maybe Tywin will give him a choice after learning of the Tyrells’ marriage scheme: the Knight of Flowers can either don the white cloak, or marry Cersei. (This a logical change if the showrunners want to avoid mentioning Willas, at least for now.) Both choices are EXTREMELY unappealing, but it’s understandable why Loras would consider the former to be the lesser of two evils, not to mention that Lady Olenna, and most likely Margaery as well, don’t see any tangible benefits in the proposed union for their House.

    It’s natural that Loras would be upset being betrothed to Sansa, but can you imagine him being engaged to Cersei? He wouldn’t just leave the dinner table in a huff, he’d break his chair in a fit of rage, LOL! With Sansa, at least there’s a chance that he might be able to find a way to make the partnership work in the long term (sort of like Margaery and Renly’s union), but I can’t picture Loras getting along with Cersei AT ALL.

    Alternately (although this is probably a less interesting theory), Tywin doesn’t force Loras in any way to join the order, but he still suggests a marriage to Cersei. Loras is very wary of being used as a pawn again, especially when his grief over Renly’s death is still so fresh. After Joffrey dies, Loras decides to become a member of Tommen’s Kingsguard, a boy whom he feels he can help mold into a king similar to what Renly would’ve been. (I thought it was a very smart move on the writers’ part to have Loras be the first soldier to burst through the throne room doors near the end of “Blackwater”—it’s easy to see why the impressionable Tommen would hero worship the Knight of Flowers from that moment onwards.) The QoT might be a bit annoyed by her grandson’s choice, but Margaery would support it.

    And if Loras isn’t part of the KG by the time PW comes around, I think he would gladly participate in the plot to murder Joffrey, especially if HBO doesn’t cast an actor play Garlan.

  225. Quentyn7
    Posted January 26, 2013 at 7:41 pm | Permalink

    I saw invitation to the set on HBO nordic facebook site. At 00.35 (when you hear Diana Rigg speaking) they have replaced the closeup of Jamie (as you can see here) with Roose Bolton sitting at a table with Jamie and Brienne at Harrenhal. It has to be

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