George R. R. Martin signs development deal with HBO
By Winter Is Coming on in News.

GRRM at GoT panelDeadline is reporting some huge news for fans of HBO and Game of Thrones. A Song of Ice and Fire author and Thrones co-executive producer George R. R. Martin has signed a two-year development deal with HBO.

EXCLUSIVE: George R.R. Martin, on whose fantasy book series HBO‘s hit drama Game Of Thrones is based, has signed a two-year overall deal with the pay cable network. Under the pact, Martin will continue as co-executive producer on Game Of Thrones, whose Season 3 premieres March 31. Additionally, he will develop and produce new series projects for the network. Attached to Martin’s upcoming HBO development is his long-time representative, manager Vince Gerardis. In addition to co-executive producing Game Of Thrones, Martin has written multiple episodes of the fantasy series. His TV writing credits also include The Twilight Zone and the original Beauty And The Beast. He is with WME.

Winter Is Coming: Woah. I did not see this coming. So what does this mean for Game of Thrones? Probably not much, GRRM will still write his one episode per season and David & Dan will continue to run the show. What it does mean is that Martin also has the opportunity to pitch his own shows to HBO. Will it be original shows or shows based on Martin’s other novels? That’s unknown right now.

Vince Gerardis has mentioned a few times they’ve talked about doing a Dunk & Egg series. Might GRRM and HBO be looking to develop a mini-series or movies based on those short stories set in Westeros approximately 90 years prior to the events of Thrones? Only time will tell. One thing is for sure, this is yet another project Martin has added to his already crowded plate, with the next Ice and Fire novel being the most anticipated of those. There is more to come on this story, I’m sure. Expect word from the man himself soon.


276 Comments

  1. slave2thewage
    Posted February 5, 2013 at 8:18 pm | Permalink

    I still want The Winds of Winter over this.

  2. TheNightFort
    Posted February 5, 2013 at 8:18 pm | Permalink

    Just write the next book for Christ sake!

    The only way this would interest me is if they did an adaption of the story of Robert’s Rebellion. I don’t care about Dunk and Egg.

  3. Donelto
    Posted February 5, 2013 at 8:19 pm | Permalink

    Wow great news

  4. thepaintedtable
    Posted February 5, 2013 at 8:20 pm | Permalink

    Winds of Winter and a season 3 trailer please.

  5. StannistheMannis
    Posted February 5, 2013 at 8:21 pm | Permalink

    Wake me up when the season 3 trailer arrives.

  6. Chris Berez
    Posted February 5, 2013 at 8:21 pm | Permalink

    Good for him and everything, but you know what would be better than continuing to sign onto even more new projects?

    I’m beginning to think it will be HBO that comes up with an ending to ASOIAF, not Martin.

  7. Hounded
    Posted February 5, 2013 at 8:25 pm | Permalink

    I feel like a fan cheering for the hits but I do really only care about A Song of Ice and Fire. I know we joke but he seriously needs to hurry up and finish the saga. He aint getting any younger. Once he’s finished ASOIAF he can do whatever the hell he likes but until then he has a commitment to his fans to finish this thing.

  8. Ryan Genualdi
    Posted February 5, 2013 at 8:29 pm | Permalink

    Hmm. I think perhaps they will just be using George’s experience in overseeing certain projects that have a more genre based appeal. True Blood will probably be ending within the next few years leaving a slot open for another, if not two more, “genre” shows. ANd isn’t American Gods or something being developed for HBO? It has something to do with Gods, and the authors name is escaping me at the moment. Maybe they want his advice with that? This news isn’t surprising. He responsible for creating and being a significant part in overseeing w the second most successful show on HBO. Not to mention the show continues to be a growing critical and cultural phenomena. HBO would be a bit stupid to not try and get Martin to help oversee future shows.

  9. Villane
    Posted February 5, 2013 at 8:29 pm | Permalink

    I’ve got a feeling that we may be seeing A Song of Ice and Fire play out on HBO before the books get written. I hope not.

    Although, what this may be is more of HBO buying the rights to slap GRRM’s name on stuff, since he’s got so much clout of late. Steven Spielberg has “executive produced” tons and tons of movies and TV shows over the last 40 years that he had basically nothing to do with.

    Or perhaps we’re beginning to see the first step towards George’s never produced Doorways that he still brings up all the time. Who the hell knows?

  10. Croccifixio
    Posted February 5, 2013 at 8:31 pm | Permalink

    i want GAME OF THRONES: WAR OF THE USURPER!!!!

    i always hope that if ever the hbo series caught up with the book the HBO must do a prequel season first to give GRRM an additional year to complete his book. and if he need to take another year then develop the dunk and egg BUT I WANT TO SEE THE REBELLION!!!! wohooo!

    they could recast the actors like maisie as lyanna, etc..

  11. Kate
    Posted February 5, 2013 at 8:32 pm | Permalink

    A miniseries/HBO movie about Dunk & Egg or Robert’s Rebellion could be really cool if you’re already a fan of the books. I don’t know how non-book readers would respond to it though, as it has the potential to be really confusing. (A lot of show fans I know can’t keep track of characters’ names in GOT, let alone their houses, ancestors, relations, political alliances, etc.).

    A show developed between GRRM and HBO has the potential to be awesome. We know George can write for TV, and we know he has a crazy huge imagination. I’d like to see something more modern from him, maybe sci-fi.

    All that said, I really hope George isn’t taking too much onto his plate. I’m sure he’s loving the new-found fame, fortune and creative opportunities, but I just don’t want Winds of Winter to suffer because of that. ASOIAF is his magnum opus, so I hope he remembers that.

  12. KatieJo
    Posted February 5, 2013 at 8:32 pm | Permalink

    So, on top of the varied compilations he works on, writing for the show, his penchant for procrastination (the likes of which this world has never seen,) and now his deal with HBO, we should be getting Winds of Winter in like, what…20 years?

  13. Coltaine777
    Posted February 5, 2013 at 8:35 pm | Permalink

    I am hoping that Mr.Martin brings his assistant Ty Franck and Daniel Abraham book series ‘The Expanse’ to HBO’ attention ! … That series along with Brit author Neal Asher’ ‘Polity’ series of books has rekindled my love for scifi…

  14. summer_stark
    Posted February 5, 2013 at 8:38 pm | Permalink

    Noooooooooo! *cries* dammit man, I know you’re not our bitch and can do whatever you want, but I’m equally free to be bummed about this news. Not the co-ep part–but the devopment part. Wish HBO would’ve made one of the requirements for the deal that he finish aSioaF within a certain timeframe. I mean quality over quantity of course–but at least motivate him to write the series with that carrot and leave wild cards and editing anthologies off the list for awhile. *sigh*

  15. JP Dayne
    Posted February 5, 2013 at 8:38 pm | Permalink

    unfortunetly, that sounded like it has nothing to do with our ASOIAF universe

    add that to the fact that GRRM is a slow writer, this news kind of bums me out, really, I wanna read TWOW and ADOS before I die, possibly all the D&E novellas as well

  16. spacechampion
    Posted February 5, 2013 at 8:39 pm | Permalink

    I suspect this is mainly a deal to identify genre fiction by other science fiction, fantasy and horror writers that George feels would be great candidates for turning into great television, and match them up with talented writers who know how to script, direct and produce.

  17. Bee Beep
    Posted February 5, 2013 at 8:43 pm | Permalink

    Well that’s exciting for him, I suppose. I just hope ASOIAF doesn’t suffer any more from this. I want Winds of Winter and he’s already so pre-occupied with other things, I fear this will delay the book only further…

    And although I would absolutely LOVE to see a mini-series based on Robert’s Rebellion (I mean HELL that would be awesome!!) I don’t see it happening. A mini-series on Robert’s Rebellion would have sooo many spoilers for ASOIAF like the real parentage of Jon Snow, or who Aegon Targaryen really is, cause I assume we would get to see what happens with Elias children etc

    So for such a mini-series based on Robert’s Rebellion to happen they have to finish A Game of Thrones first.

  18. Lundy
    Posted February 5, 2013 at 8:47 pm | Permalink

    Congrats to Mr. Martin. Long time fan, way back from 1996, but wake me up when Winds of Winter arrives… srsly.

  19. wrprintz
    Posted February 5, 2013 at 8:49 pm | Permalink

    Wild Cards. It was GRRM’s most successful series (that he edited before hand) and it is a HUGE universe in the SUPER HERO vein…..which is pretty popular.

  20. Lazlo Woodbine
    Posted February 5, 2013 at 8:50 pm | Permalink

    Excellent news! I hope we get a Sandkings special!

  21. Renee
    Posted February 5, 2013 at 8:52 pm | Permalink

    I’m excited that that GRRM is continuing on with another series since we have to wait a year before the next season. Hopefully it will be a good one. I would like a new GoT book. It’s seems ages since anything new came out , that would be more pleasing to reading articles as these.

  22. MetalgoddessAMB
    Posted February 5, 2013 at 8:53 pm | Permalink

    American Gods-Neil Gaiman. For some reason the first thing I thought when I read the headline was that maybe this deal might have something to do with that project. George and Neil are acquaintances, and HBO did buy the rights and is trying to develop American Gods..and George has experience in TV…so it could be a good fit.

    But more on George’s plate…just means we’re going to have to wait longer for TWOW. :(

  23. AddyStark
    Posted February 5, 2013 at 8:55 pm | Permalink

    I have serious misgivings about this news. Sounds like finishing ASOIAF is way on the back burner. :(

  24. K26dp
    Posted February 5, 2013 at 8:55 pm | Permalink

    Wild Cards would be fantastic. I think Fevre Dream could be made into a very good miniseries.

    But really, Dunk & Egg would be my choice.

  25. AngryGoTFan
    Posted February 5, 2013 at 8:59 pm | Permalink

    GRRMS FIRST NEW SHOW SHOULD BE CALLED A SONG OF ICE AND FIRE AND ITS JUST HIM IN THE IRON THRONE READING US THE BOOKS #ASOIAF #GAMEOFTHRONES @AngryGoTFan

  26. Chris Paleologopoulos
    Posted February 5, 2013 at 9:01 pm | Permalink

    Wild Cards would be an excellent addition for HBO. Very dark, gritty, and fantastic.

  27. axia777
    Posted February 5, 2013 at 9:03 pm | Permalink

    Wild Cards please, and yesterday.

  28. summer_stark
    Posted February 5, 2013 at 9:05 pm | Permalink

    spacechampion:
    I suspect this is mainly a deal to identify genre fiction by other science fiction, fantasy and horror writers that George feels would be great candidates for turning into great television, and match them up with talented writers who know how to script, direct and produce.

    No, that’s not what an overall development deal is–he gets paid a salary by HBO to develop (i.e., write, create, produce etc) a show for them. He’ll be getting a ton of money for two years to create the next big HBO show. Here’s a good article about it from a few years ago: http://www.variety.com/article/VR1118021871/?

    I feel like Ron Burgundy in the phone booth after the man punted Baxter–I’m in a glass case of emotion!

  29. Atreyu
    Posted February 5, 2013 at 9:11 pm | Permalink

    I’m sure Ty has kept copious notes. Hell, he might have even made an outline. The books are in good hands.

  30. Abyss
    Posted February 5, 2013 at 9:12 pm | Permalink

    Can’t decide if this news is wonderful or terrible… – I think I go with wonderful with a little bit of concern mixed in. ^^

  31. Cary Storm
    Posted February 5, 2013 at 9:14 pm | Permalink

    Because George doesn’t have enough to do or make enough money. Oh wait.

  32. Sean Tobin
    Posted February 5, 2013 at 9:15 pm | Permalink

    Ryan Genualdi,

    The author you are thinking of is Neil Gaiman he created the Sandman comic series as well the books Neverwhere, Anansi Boys, ans Stardust to name a few. The book American Gods deals with a “war” between the gods of the old world who were brought over here to the New World by those that believed in them, and the “New Gods” of Television, Highway, Internet and Credit Cards. i.e What do you sacrifice to the God of Television? Your time.

  33. TastesLikeTheSea
    Posted February 5, 2013 at 9:15 pm | Permalink

    This means green light for Bronn and Tyrion Bromance comedy: One and a half men.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NvfDqF0-2yg

  34. Winter Is Coming
    Posted February 5, 2013 at 9:21 pm | Permalink

    I guess I’m not bothered by how this affects The Winds of Winter like others here, because I told myself once I finished Dance to be prepared to wait for at least 5 years to find out what happens next. It looks like I was right as we are coming up on two years since ADWD released and GRRM is still a ways from being done. And now he has this on his plate.

    And frankly, given the quality of the last two novels, I’m not looking forward to TWOW all that much. I will still read it as soon as it comes out, but I’m not chomping at the bit for it as I was AFFC and ADWD.

    I’m also really, really excited about the possibility of a Dunk & Egg mini-series or movie(s). I love those stories and would love to see them on screen. They add a lot of depth to the world of Westeros and its history. And really, there would be no better way to introduce Bloodraven to the audience than in a Dunk & Egg series. Imagine how mind-blowing it would be to viewers when he shows up in Game of Thrones as the Three-Eyed Crow?

  35. Rhaegar
    Posted February 5, 2013 at 9:23 pm | Permalink

    Noooo, this means that Winds of Winter will take longer than expected! George come on, if you don’t progress with the book, the HBO deals will mean nothing once season 5 finishes!! there is no more material to adapt!

  36. shadallion
    Posted February 5, 2013 at 9:25 pm | Permalink

    Either Dunk and Egg or Fevre Dream would be great.

    My guess is that it will be original content, though.

    Very intriguing development.

    Can’t wait for GRRM to shed some light.

  37. Anthony Licata
    Posted February 5, 2013 at 9:26 pm | Permalink

    Agreed! ‘The Expanse’ would make a great series.
    Coltaine777,

  38. WildSeed
    Posted February 5, 2013 at 9:29 pm | Permalink

    Dunk the lunk, I’m rooting for you mate !

  39. summer_stark
    Posted February 5, 2013 at 9:38 pm | Permalink

    Winter Is Coming:
    I guess I’m not bothered by how this affects The Winds of Winter like others here, because I told myself once I finished Dance to be prepared to wait for at least 5 years to find out what happens next. It looks like I was right as we are coming up on two years since ADWD released and GRRM is still a ways from being done. And now he has this on his plate.

    And frankly, given the quality of the last two novels, I’m not looking forward to TWOW all that much. I will still read it as soon as it comes out, but I’m not chomping at the bit for it as I was AFFC and ADWD.

    I’m also really, really excited about the possibility of a Dunk & Egg mini-series or movie(s). I love those stories and would love to see them on screen. They add a lot of depth to the world of Westeros and its history. And really, there would be no better way to introduce Bloodraven to the audience than in a Dunk & Egg series. Imagine how mind-blowing it would be to viewers when he shows up in Game of Thrones as the Three-Eyed Crow?

    Yea, I agree with pretty much all of this esp re D&E and the decrease in quality of 4-5, but I’m holding out hope that its bc of the mereenese knot and resultant need to publish something.

    So although I was hoping for more like 3-4 yrs, I was prepped for 5. As you noted tho, it’s been almost 2 years. Add 2 for what will be a full time gig at HBO and now we are at closer to 7. Depressing. Though I too would love a DE miniseries.

  40. the other guy
    Posted February 5, 2013 at 9:41 pm | Permalink

    thepaintedtable:
    Winds of Winter and a season 3 trailer please.

    Yep, that’s all I want too. Don’t care about the rest.

  41. KatieJo
    Posted February 5, 2013 at 9:43 pm | Permalink

    Winter Is Coming,

    I wouldn’t be surprised if the series he develops has absolutely nothing to do with Westeros.I can’t tell if George is creatively stuck, or just uninterested in the series, but he really doesn’t seem to be getting anywhere with this world. He’s giving every impression that his heart’s not in it anymore.

    I completely understand that everyone writes at their own pace, and that no one should be rushed when writing their novel. That I think everyone can agree on. That being said, it’s frustrating to get mid-way through a series with no guarantee of an end in sight. ASOIAF is a total time suck, and to go nowhere with it is seriously annoying.

    Honestly, these are all prime examples of First World Problems. We’ll get over it.

  42. Mr. Wu
    Posted February 5, 2013 at 9:59 pm | Permalink

    R.I.P Winds of Winter and A Dream of Spring

  43. Soniel
    Posted February 5, 2013 at 10:04 pm | Permalink

    Stuff like this is normally good news, but the fact that he’s taking his sweet time already with The Winds Of Winter makes this mainly bad news.

    Forget writing for the show, just finish the damn books already and then move foward into doing something else. The show is catching up quicker than George is writing.

  44. deargodsendjesus
    Posted February 5, 2013 at 10:04 pm | Permalink

    These comments alone are enough to almost wish that Martin never finishes ASOIF, just to personally annoy you. God, you are being pathetic again.

  45. Wight Walker
    Posted February 5, 2013 at 10:06 pm | Permalink

    I wonder if a Dunk&Egg miniseries could be used to pad for time if the show doesn’t want to get ahead of the books.

  46. Winter Is Coming
    Posted February 5, 2013 at 10:09 pm | Permalink

    KatieJo, yeah, he may well want a break from ASOIAF. He may want to get back into sci-fi or horror and maybe developing a series along those veins for HBO would really get his creative juices flowing. And of course getting paid bucket loads of money to do it is just icing on the cake.

  47. House Snow
    Posted February 5, 2013 at 10:16 pm | Permalink

    Well if this isn’t the nail in WOW coffin I don’t know what is.

  48. KatieJo
    Posted February 5, 2013 at 10:22 pm | Permalink

    Winter Is Coming,

    I definitely don’t fault him for taking those checks to the bank,lol.

    So, if we’re figuring we won’t see anything for at least 5 years, how do you think the rest of the TV series is going to end up? Next year, rest of Book 3, then the next four years a combo of Books 4&5? They could easily do that, honestly. They’re all extremely detailed.

    Even so, the show is still going to catch up to the books. That’ll be interesting for GRRM, to be working on a new series, an established series, AND a book series. I don’t envy him that,lol.

  49. MJ
    Posted February 5, 2013 at 10:24 pm | Permalink

    Oh wonderful. Even less time for finishing the series. Bravo George.

  50. Patchy Face
    Posted February 5, 2013 at 10:25 pm | Permalink

    Winter Is Coming,

    Really, Winter? After re -reading Feast and Dance as one continuous novel, I have a whole new appreciation for them. Of course, nothing compares to Storm but they are as good as GoT.

  51. Dan
    Posted February 5, 2013 at 10:27 pm | Permalink

    I think it’s great news. I’m not really all that concerned when the next book comes out. Between GoT, other shows, books, games, etc. I’ve got plenty of things to tide me over. I just like the idea of more GRRM and HBO programs being developed.

    Still, I’m looking forward to TWoW more than any other book (I’m not one of those people who thought books 4 and 5 were not as good as the rest), so hopefully we don’t have to wait more than another two or three years for that.

  52. Nezzer
    Posted February 5, 2013 at 10:29 pm | Permalink

    I don’t know, but I think getting involved in projects of different themes could enrich his creativity. I’m with Abyss. I’m pleased with this news, but a bit concerned about it. Having Dunk & Egg shown between seasons would be awesome and would serve as a very useful complement to the main GoT show, especially when Bloodraven kicks in. It could be a microseries with several seasons, like Sherlock.

  53. Winter Is Coming
    Posted February 5, 2013 at 10:30 pm | Permalink

    Patchy Face, I do plan on doing that soon. Finishing up Scott Lynch’s Red Seas Under Red Skies then will re-read AFFC/ADWD as a mega-book.

  54. Lex
    Posted February 5, 2013 at 10:35 pm | Permalink

    Well, it’s good news in that it might mean more cool HBO shows…

    …but it’s definitely concerning, in terms of him ever finishing the books.

    Regardless of whether one feels AFFC and ADWD were a drop in quality, I still think it’s hugely important that he writes an ending to the series. Leaving it unfinished, or just finishing it on TV, would just plain suck.

  55. Bea Tejno
    Posted February 5, 2013 at 10:38 pm | Permalink

    LOL! I wonder how this will affect his writing progress

  56. Arkash
    Posted February 5, 2013 at 10:40 pm | Permalink

    In any case, having too much projects can only slow down or even spoil the other ones so I’m not all that glad to read that.

    I want TWOW…

    Then I can understand his will to work on other things and to create as much as possible, but still, the fan in me yearns for Winds…

  57. ibgraham
    Posted February 5, 2013 at 10:48 pm | Permalink

    I want to see a show based on Roberts Rebellion!!! But Dunk & Egg would be awesome too! just more Westeros in general

  58. Devo
    Posted February 5, 2013 at 10:52 pm | Permalink

    Winter Is Coming,

    He’s 64. This isn’t a break, this is retirement from writing ASOIAF. I’ve never been in the “he’ll never finish it” camp before, but now I guarantee it. The story will finish on HBO, if it finishes at all. It’s interesting… Writing TV was where he started out. ASOIAF was a sort of rebellion against the limitations of writing in a TV format, and now it’s landed him a job back there.

  59. dizzy
    Posted February 5, 2013 at 10:59 pm | Permalink

    I would bet this is either Wildcards related or some other non-ASOIF project. Wildcards would be a cool show if HBO was looking to get into the superhero genre.

  60. Syrio
    Posted February 5, 2013 at 11:00 pm | Permalink

    I hope we get a mini-series, or trilogy of movies about Robert’s Rebellion.

  61. Budz
    Posted February 5, 2013 at 11:05 pm | Permalink

    I think at the very least this means that HBO will stick with the series to its finishing point, I would hope.

  62. feyrband
    Posted February 5, 2013 at 11:08 pm | Permalink

    Fevre Dream and Prequel/Usurper movies, GOOooo!

    I’d also be happy with a Dying of the Light movie or mini-series.

  63. Rogge
    Posted February 5, 2013 at 11:10 pm | Permalink

    Well, it was a sweet dream that he’d finish his book series before the hbo show caught up with it. Not going to happen now.

    When the hbo show get to the end of the series first, will people complain 3-5 years later when/if the final book comes out that it didn’t end like it was supposed to? Will we get tv-show purists complaining about how the book isn’t true to the show?

  64. mags giantsbabe
    Posted February 5, 2013 at 11:11 pm | Permalink

    If the details of Robert’s rebellion become important for WoW and later on, it would make sense to develop a mini-series or something like that. I’d like to see Bryan Cogman doing the writing with GrrM for such a project, which could start with the tourney at Harrenhal and end with Robert taking the Iron Throne. Personally I loved aDwD and if much is shortened or stream-lined in the series then all the better.

    I’m waiting for a Howland Reed PoV in later books (especially if one theory turns out to be true). He’s currently Lord of Greywater Watch in aSoIaF, isn’t he? Which puzzled me a little at first since that location is relatively far south for n Crannogman. Except if he was given land after the rebellion. I may be completely wrong, because I read the Greywater Watch part on wikipedia, I think.

  65. Hilda
    Posted February 5, 2013 at 11:13 pm | Permalink

    How about getting the next book out! GD how frustrating!

  66. Leuf
    Posted February 5, 2013 at 11:14 pm | Permalink

    I can’t take another David Gerrold. I’ve hit the 20 year mark waiting for the next book from that bastard. His website helpfully proclaims he expects to have it released in 2011… I can do 5 years standing on my head.

    I guess my question would be would HBO be planning on two GRRM related series at the same time, or would whatever he’s developing for them now be intended to follow up after GoT is over? I don’t know how much delay there is from concept to screen. It might give some insight into how long HBO expects GoT to run for. I’ve long held that I hope the show does not attempt to drag out the Feast/Dance material to try to stay behind GRRM. I would even prefer they just largely forget about the books after ASOS and go their own way and just wrap up the series in 5-6 excellent seasons.

  67. cardus
    Posted February 5, 2013 at 11:16 pm | Permalink

    Hell of a lot of amateur psychologists on the site all of a sudden….

    With the usual pathetic whining. Grow up.

  68. Knurk
    Posted February 5, 2013 at 11:16 pm | Permalink

    KatieJo:
    Winter Is Coming,

    I definitely don’t fault him for taking those checks to the bank,lol.

    then the next four years a combo of Books 4&5? They could easily do that, honestly. They’re all extremely detailed.

    detailed they are, but not tv-worthy of more than 1.5 season at best.

    There won’t ever be another aSoIaF book I think, the fact that he even can’t write short stories anymore is a sign of that. Taking on other projects will be a good excuse for him let HBO straighten out the saga.

  69. Zack
    Posted February 5, 2013 at 11:18 pm | Permalink

    Winter Is Coming,

    Yuuuup.

    When I finished book 4 (half a year or so before the show premiered) I was lukewarm enough on it that I said to myself, “So long as the show continues through the third book, I will have seen what I need to see.”

    Since we will get that, my reaction to this news was, “Great. Let him do other things. He’ll do what he wants to do, and if he’s not interested in hurrying the writing of the next book, doing it regardless would result in a lesser product. I’d rather he do something he wants to do, it usually makes the result more enjoyable.”

  70. The Deep Fat Friar
    Posted February 5, 2013 at 11:19 pm | Permalink

    He needs to return to writing the books. At the current pace, the HBO TV series will complete the story before the last book is published. Sorry but I don’t like what I have seen of the HBO series. I want the Winds of Winter published soon!!!!!

  71. Winter Is Coming
    Posted February 5, 2013 at 11:23 pm | Permalink

    Leuf:
    I can’t take another David Gerrold.I’ve hit the 20 year mark waiting for the next book from that bastard. His website helpfully proclaims he expects to have it released in 2011…I can do 5 years standing on my head.

    I guess my question would be would HBO be planning on two GRRM related series at the same time, or would whatever he’s developing for them now be intended to follow up after GoT is over? I don’t know how much delay there is from concept to screen.It might give some insight into how long HBO expects GoT to run for.I’ve long held that I hope the show does not attempt to drag out the Feast/Dance material to try to stay behind GRRM.I would even prefer they just largely forget about the books after ASOS and go their own way and just wrap up the series in 5-6 excellent seasons.

    It takes a while. HBO bought the rights to ASOIAF in 2007. The show didn’t air until 2011. So yeah, they may be looking for GoT’s replacement with this deal.

  72. Zack
    Posted February 5, 2013 at 11:26 pm | Permalink

    Knurk,

    That’s a good point. Weiss and Benioff would probably be just as capable of leading the saga to a conclusion (though we’re getting a bit ahead of ourselves), especially if Martin keeps writing an episode a year and everything. Martin’s already said he intends to alter his plans for certain characters based on the ahow (Osha comes to mind), so letting D&D take the lead in storytelling might not be such a horrible thing.

  73. Arthur
    Posted February 5, 2013 at 11:29 pm | Permalink

    Winter Is Coming,

    Perhaps Dunk & Egg can be used as a filler if the TV series catches up to the books. Kind of how Spartacus went back in time after season 1 to give their lead time to battle cancer.

    This is good news, GRRM knows what he is doing. He knows he has to put out TWOW in the next year or 2. I wouldn’t worry.

    Like I said this is great news for all GoT fans.

  74. feyrband
    Posted February 5, 2013 at 11:32 pm | Permalink

    Arya/Maise needs her own series just assassinating the hell out of people

  75. Patchy Face
    Posted February 5, 2013 at 11:42 pm | Permalink

    Looking forward to whatever GRRM decides to do…. Of course, would love to see aSoIaF wrap up but trust his experience and imagination in writing and TV. Think we won’t be disappointed.

  76. G_Lee
    Posted February 5, 2013 at 11:44 pm | Permalink

    aDwD is one of my favourites of the series so I AM really craving for Winds of Winter.
    Thus I am not that excited about this news…

  77. BilliamATL
    Posted February 5, 2013 at 11:46 pm | Permalink

    Ive never read any of GRRMs other work besides ASOIAF, Winds of Winter ASAP!

  78. axia777
    Posted February 6, 2013 at 12:06 am | Permalink

    Really? All these GRRM fans and no one else is for Wild Cards? No shit? WOW…..

  79. Phil
    Posted February 6, 2013 at 12:13 am | Permalink

    Someone should just ask him “George, straight up, in all honesty, are you going to finish aSoIaF?” If he said “Absolutely” I would totally trust him, but right now it almost feels like he would actually answer “Not sure.”

  80. helena zoe
    Posted February 6, 2013 at 12:16 am | Permalink

    george!!!
    what the hell
    great news for you but what about your fans???
    i haven’t read a dance with dragons cause i don´t wanna finish it and then have nothing to read!!

  81. Matt
    Posted February 6, 2013 at 12:24 am | Permalink

    George, please finish the books before getting involved in even more stuff. If they do Storm for S3 and half Storm half FFC S4. Half AFFC and a bit of DWD for S5 and finish with S6 being DWD. Then S7 Winds, maybe S8 too. That gives GRRM 5 years to write the next novel after Winds… That is NOT a lot of time.

  82. Alexandra
    Posted February 6, 2013 at 12:26 am | Permalink

    So much negativity. You people DO remember that there is still two and a half more books left to make into the show. And George has been working on Winds for a while now… He must have made some pretty good headway. I think everything will work out fine. Just chill. I think all this waiting for season 3 and the whole trailer thing has put some people in a sour mood.

  83. Aegon the Conqueror
    Posted February 6, 2013 at 12:32 am | Permalink

    As if the man wasn’t busy enough!? Dude! You’ve got formerly loyal fans simmering in rebellion right now!
    Wouldn’t mind a Dunk and Egg series or a movie about Robert’s Rebellion.

  84. Aegon the Conqueror
    Posted February 6, 2013 at 12:35 am | Permalink

    Alexandra,

    You DO realise two and a half books equals three years right? Martin has been busy with Winds for a year and a half. Now let’s do some math and see how long that gives Martin vs how long it took him to finish Dance, and then he still has to finish A Dream of Spring.

  85. Alexandra
    Posted February 6, 2013 at 12:45 am | Permalink

    Aegon the Conqueror,

    Um… Let’s see. There’s this year, then next year is the other half of Storm, then maybe they’ll make AFFC into 2 separate seasons, and same for ADWD. That seems like a considerable amount of time. Longer than 3 years at least. George wouldn’t leave the ASOIAF books high and dry.

  86. Rebecca
    Posted February 6, 2013 at 12:46 am | Permalink

    guess I have more time to catch up on the books now… feel bad for the readers who have been waiting for years.

  87. A-Gone
    Posted February 6, 2013 at 12:46 am | Permalink

    I think that TWOW and ADOS are mainly finished, they just need a little revising. TWOW will come at the end of 2014 and ADOS in 2017.
    That is the only explanation to all the side projects. I’m not mad at him for lying, saying that “ooh, I only have 200 pages of TWOW, etc etc”. I don’t think he’s the kind of guy that lets other people finish his story.

  88. Mrs. H'ghar
    Posted February 6, 2013 at 12:58 am | Permalink

    Well, perhaps GRRM just misses the social aspects of working on television since writing is such a solitary pursuit. Imagine day in and day out, just you and the page staring back at you (paper or computer, no matter). Perhaps having a little “side job” will re-invigorate him, or he may have stacks of unused script ideas that he’d like to “sub -out” to another writer to work on with a new series concept. Wouldn’t be surprised if he uses already written ideas and basically organizes the writers and directors and is more of a supervising producer than an active showrunner/scriptwriter. As a few have mentioned, this does NOT mean he’s not finishing ASOIAF. He has many other books already written, and mentioned wishing to see some of his older books turned into movies or TV as well, so let’s not fret.

  89. Max
    Posted February 6, 2013 at 1:12 am | Permalink

    A-Gone: I think that TWOW and ADOS are mainly finished, they just need a little revising. TWOW will come at the end of 2014 and ADOS in 2017.
    That is the only explanation to all the side projects. I’m not mad at him for lying, saying that “ooh, I only have 200 pages of TWOW, etc etc”. I don’t think he’s the kind of guy that lets other people finish his story.

    I wish I could share your optimism.

  90. sjwenings
    Posted February 6, 2013 at 1:17 am | Permalink

    Alexandra:
    And George has been working on Winds for a while now… He must have made some pretty good headway.

    Lol? My impression from the posts on his blog is, he’s hardly made any. He’s got his leftovers from adwd, and probably not much else.

  91. KG
    Posted February 6, 2013 at 1:27 am | Permalink

    Woo. Another excuse to delay his writing.

    /tinyballoons

  92. Dan
    Posted February 6, 2013 at 1:28 am | Permalink

    Alexandra,

    I think they can get at least 6 seasons out of the five books that have been finished.
    Season 4- second half of book 3 and intro book 4 and 5 (but not too far into it)
    Season 5- through the first half of 4 and 5
    Season 6- through the end of 4 or 5
    Start filming first half of book 6 in 2016 (which means book 6 would need to be released by early 2017 to beat the premiere of season 7)
    Season 7- first half of book 6
    Season 8- second half of book 6
    Start filming first half of book 7 in 2018 (which means he would need book 7 out by early 2019 to beat the premiere of season 9)

    I think it’s reasonable to think they could turn the first 5 books into 6 seasons and 2 more for book 6. Heck, they could add in a lot of original material to lengthen those 6 books into 9 seasons if they really wanted to. But if they go at the rate I posited above then GRRM would have another 6 years to finish the next two books. I’d be surprised if he has more because I expect the show to run ten seasons if it goes to the end, but they could also skip a year to give him more time, I suppose.

    I won’t begin to worry unless he can’t get the book out by late 2015, and as long a he gets it out by mid 2016 I won’t worry much. It seems like he’ll be able to kill off enough characters in book 6, and start bringing the characters closer together in order to make book 7 much easier to write. 2.5-3 years seems doable for book 7.

    Anyways, my guess is that GRRM and HBO have thought about this issue more than anyone posting here, so I think they must be confident he can handle the extra work.

  93. Fish
    Posted February 6, 2013 at 1:28 am | Permalink

    It’s like he gets some kind a joy writing as slowly as humanly possible … if this continues Winds really wont come out for the next 5 yeas… HBO just shot themselves in the foot without realizing it

  94. Tyrion Pimpslap
    Posted February 6, 2013 at 1:29 am | Permalink

    I now believe that George will never finish the book series. I’ve come to the realization that part of the reason he signed over the rights for ASOIAF to HBO is because he wanted to finish the series but didn’t believe he could do it with his books. Martin gave D&D the blueprint for the rest of the series and where it is going and he is comfortable with them finishing it. I suppose that is better than nothing.

  95. CWolf
    Posted February 6, 2013 at 1:51 am | Permalink

    Like Martin needed another excuse to finish ASoIaF any slower, if at all. I think he said something along the lines of not doing a “Robert Jordan”, but that is the direction that the saga is headed. Wheel of Time was finished and the books that have been published so far are great; at least SoIaF is in capable hands. Disappointed but optimistic.

  96. Jacarb
    Posted February 6, 2013 at 2:29 am | Permalink

    If the show catches up with the books, as has seemed likely all along, we want GRRM still intimately involved with and trusted by HBO. So this is good news.

    Even in the extreme, if he abandons the books altogether, he’ll be in a perfect position to guide original plot in the show, and we’d still find out how things end. It’s hard for me to come down on books 4 and 5, as rereading and awoiaf have thoroughly blurred the “books” into one, but they certainly do lose a lot of focus and the story starts to fray after the third book (what a punny coincidence…). I think it makes a lot of sense that GRRM would regain that focus working on TV, and even that the show might do a better job keeping the story in check; it could just be a better ending this way.

    Dunno. I’m speculating optimistically. But it’s an easy stretch.

  97. Arya Dunyett
    Posted February 6, 2013 at 2:45 am | Permalink

    Ya know, folks, this announcement involves one very creative individual and a bunch of ambitious, successful, risk takers with lots of cash. They are all very bright people. I can’t imagine they would embark on a project that,
    1. would endanger the success or completion of one of their biggest hits, or,
    2. would have no chance of success because the creative mind is overwhelmed with unfinished projects.
    I have faith in George. At the same time, I desperately want to read the end of ASoIaF in my lifetime, and his.
    Since deflation sucks, hope will keep me buoyant for a few more years.

  98. a dude
    Posted February 6, 2013 at 2:54 am | Permalink

    George Martin has recently been interviewed, and he claimed he has a good reason to believe Winds of Winter will be done by 2014. He didn’t forget to remind everyone that he is always late on schedual and that he is not commiting to anything when he names a date.
    However, Martin has been increasingly cautious in his predications of when he is going to finish the next book in the Song of Ice and Fire series. That means that when he is saying 2014, he’s already probably leaving quite a large error margin for himself. Topping that off is the fact that Martin explicitly said on his blog that hundreds of pages that were supposed to be in Dance With Dragons were pushed back into Winds of Winter on account of Dance becoming to big.
    To sum up the tid bits:
    1) Martin believes, with the wisdom and caution of experience, that he will be done with WoW by 2014
    2) In the day Dance was published, hundreds of pages were already written for Winds
    3) Believe it or not, Martin wants to keep ahead of the HBO show, probably much more than any of his fans do. Both he and HBO are awere that the new gig he signed up for with them is likely to eat a chunk of his time, but both also have an interest in saying the next books in A Song of Ice and Fire published ASAP. The fact that they STILL signed the contract means, most probably, that they know something that we don’t.

    Bottom line? I’m not too worried. There’s so much involved in finishing A Song of Ice and Fire, so many people who’s jobs are related to it, that I have the feeling that something is being done under the rader to make sure it’s done in time.

  99. RamsaySnow
    Posted February 6, 2013 at 3:24 am | Permalink

    Dude, he never said he’ll finish by 2014, all he said was, that the book certainly won’t be finished BEFORE 2014. That can mean anything, 2030 for example.

    I’m just amazed how so many people don’t see how the must famous NFL blogger stopped being a writer. Isn’t it obvious? It’s his life, he can do what he wants, and writing ASOIAF, working on ASOIAF is not something he really wants anymore. Accept it people, I did.

    These news are good, though. The only chance we’ll see the series finished is through HBO. And now he’ll work with HBO more closely, specifically on the seasons about the books which will be never written. In this sense, it’s good to have him on board.

  100. AdrianAegon
    Posted February 6, 2013 at 3:31 am | Permalink

    I don’t know what to think of this… with ASOS going 2 seasons, and AFFC\ADWD probably 2 seasons also, we reach 2016. TWOW can be out by then, I believe, and ca be adapted as 1 or 2 seasons… anyways, ADOS is the final book, and all ends are known by GRRM, so I guess it will be easier (and faster) to finish it. And since D&D already know how it will all end, and GRRM will share his material in advance with them, I believe it will be a coordinated finish; book coming first, and the series finale shortly after. 9 seasons in 2019, people, and GRRM will be 70 by then… hope his hands will remain steady, and his mind focused!

  101. Spryte
    Posted February 6, 2013 at 3:33 am | Permalink

    Breaks my heart to see such an overwhelming negative reaction to this news. As fans of GRRM’s brilliant work, feels like we should be more supportive of his fantastic accomplishments. It’s no wonder he’s always complaining of the monkeys on his back… he might just be doing this to make a statement. Let’s motivate him instead of pressuring him, yes?

  102. A-Gone
    Posted February 6, 2013 at 3:56 am | Permalink

    I really like that everybody’s mad. He’s gonna surprise EVERYONE when he actually keeps his word next year.

  103. GrzebykK
    Posted February 6, 2013 at 4:04 am | Permalink

    Although GRRM considers ASoIaF his opus magnum, he has created many universes which can be transfered to TV. I don’t really know the Wildcards (I’ve read only some novellas fro GRRM’s retrospective), but knowing GRRM’s affection to this series, I’d say, that this would be the first one to be turned into HBO project. Among the lesser projects, I wouldn’t mind seeing Dunk & Egg, Sandkings or Skin Trade.
    Of course GRRM can create some completely new, but – knowing his writing speed – it would take too much time. Developing and producing doesn’t have to mean writing after all.
    Saying that, I hope he would have time to focus on concluding ASoIaF.

  104. Lin Beifunk
    Posted February 6, 2013 at 4:20 am | Permalink

    Mr. Martin, I love you, man, but I’m worried.

    RamsaySnow:
    I’m just amazed how so many people don’t see how the must famous NFL blogger stopped being a writer. Isn’t it obvious? It’s his life, he can do what he wants, and writing ASOIAF, working on ASOIAF is not something he really wants anymore. Accept it people, I did.

    This. I am absolutely convinced he’s bored with it, hence why he’s been doing fake histories, short stories that are unrelated, throwing himself into the show now, etc. But, as you said, it’ll be good that perhaps we’ll get the series’ proper ending with him around. I’ve often wondered what happens if the show hits the end before the books. (Completely, I think, a possibility at this point.) Do we all get spoiled or do they purposely fake us out so the ‘real’ ending, if ever, isn’t revealed? And how do you market that.

    Also: I, uh, can’t be the only one who hopes this is Doorways or an associated property, right? Because damn I loved that pilot in Dreamsongs. It would be Fringe’s bouncy younger brother.

  105. Prom000
    Posted February 6, 2013 at 4:24 am | Permalink

    Ah delicious Fanboi-Tears!

    Give me more of it!

    ;-)

  106. a dude
    Posted February 6, 2013 at 4:26 am | Permalink

    RamsaySnow,

    You know what? from all that I know of Martin, I think that if he would have decided to stop writing AsoIaF, he would have made an announcment out of it, and just *quit*. He dosen’t like the pressure, he certainly dosen’t need the money, and by all evidance he is the kind of man who just does what’s right for him at the time, if that’s at all possible.

    Georger RR Martin has been interviewed many times, and watching those interviews you can see that he IS determined to finish the series – for example, I recall an interview where he shared that he is angry at the people behind the tv show “Lost” because they failed to deliver an ending the befits their story. Hack, he was even heard to say that AsoIaF might not be finished in 7 books, and that an 8th book is an ulikely but not nonexistent possibility. These are not words coming from the mouth of someone who has tired of what he’s doing – as far as Martin is concerned, his main concern is finsihing the story of Westeros. By the way, not only dis he never stop working on AsoIaF, Martin has also written the Dunk & Egg short stories in the same world, and he is about to finish working on a book giving a very detailed overview of the history of Weseteros, detailing the actual historical war that was called “The Dance of Dragons”.

    Bottom line? Martin still spends most of his time writing about Westeros, even though it’s been 20 years since he started it. He’s not about to quit before the finish line. No way.

    And, by the way, Martin said “2014, certainly not earlier than that”. That means he knows it won’t be finished this year but he belives it will be next year.

  107. Ross
    Posted February 6, 2013 at 4:36 am | Permalink

    We feel like we have some kind of stake and say in these books and when they should be written because they mean so much to us and we invest so much into them, but we don’t. At all.

    It is Mr Martin’s prerogative to live his life how he wants. I imagine the deal HBO offered was not only financially eye-watering but artistically exciting to him as well. If it makes him happy, keeps him motivated, it may even have a beneficial impact on WoW, who knows. But we can’t judge him either way. Fair play Mr Martin, and congratulations.

  108. RamsaySnow
    Posted February 6, 2013 at 4:40 am | Permalink

    Ok, dude, George spends most of the time writing about Westeros and TWOW will be out in 2014.

    I’ve seen it many times. As I’ve been around for some time.

    I’ll say you this, though. When the inevitable happens, remember how you defended him, how you blindly believed in him, and don’t start to hate him. Don’t be mad at him. It will be the same Martin you now so much believe in. The same one you now worship. Accept the truth calmly and don’t go raging around the internet.

  109. argilac's antler
    Posted February 6, 2013 at 5:16 am | Permalink

    I’m not even going to read any comments about this.

    I personally think its fantastic news and I’m super excited and happy for GRRM. However, I know there’s going to be even more bitching now from “fans” about him taking on other projects while he still has two more ASOIAF books to go. Those people make me sick.

  110. Aegon the Conqueror
    Posted February 6, 2013 at 5:16 am | Permalink

    Alexandra,

    Longer than three years? Yes. Longer than ten years? No, cause judging by the amount of time it takes him to write 8-10 years is the rough estimate for the books’ completion.

  111. ieiazel
    Posted February 6, 2013 at 5:21 am | Permalink

    a dude:
    RamsaySnow,

    You know what? from all that I know of Martin, I think that if he would have decided to stop writing AsoIaF, he would have made an announcment out of it, and just *quit*. He dosen’t like the pressure, he certainly dosen’t need the money, and by all evidance he is the kind of man who just does what’s right for him at the time, if that’s at all possible.

    The bottomline from this news is precisely that he needs the money, otherwise he would focus on writing the books. However, it seems that the HBO pays more for his services than his publishers do. Telling people that he doesn’t want to finish ASOIAF would not be good news for his future projects with the HBO.

    He’s got so many other things on his plate: WOW, The World of Ice and Fire, several collaborations in anthologies, Dunk & Egg… All of them, except for the scripts for GOT have been repeatedly delayed. There has been no updates on how WOW is going after he said he had some 200 pages written, consisting roughly on stuff he wrote for Dance. When you have so many things to do, and they pay you so much money to do them, why do you want even more work? Easy, pure and simple greed. But it’s ok, it’s his work and his life, and he can do as he wants, but he cannot expect long time fans to be happy with all this crap.

    I’ve been disappointed in his behaviour towards his fans and his own work for a very long time, but I always had the hope that he would finish the series. Not any more.

  112. Tom
    Posted February 6, 2013 at 5:23 am | Permalink

    If he doesn’t complete the final book before the final season airs, they might do a Dunk and Egg mini series to fill in the gap

  113. Gorman Truart
    Posted February 6, 2013 at 5:39 am | Permalink

    What this pretty much means is that the upcoming books will never be released. So there. Pffffffffffffffffffffffffffttttttttttttttttttttttttt,

  114. Kennef
    Posted February 6, 2013 at 6:05 am | Permalink

    I’m happy for George, I really am, but this does not bode well for ASOIF ever being finished in book form. I know he’s not my bitch, and I’m glad he gets to do cool stuff, I just selfishly wish he’d focus on finishing the stuff _I_ want.

  115. Kael of the Lake
    Posted February 6, 2013 at 6:07 am | Permalink

    a dude:
    1. You know what? from all that I know of Martin, I think that if he would have decided to stop writing AsoIaF, he would have made an announcment out of it, and just *quit*.
    2. He dosen’t like the pressure, he certainly dosen’t need the money, and by all evidance he is the kind of man who just does what’s right for him at the time, if that’s at all possible.

    3. Georger RR Martin has been interviewed many times, and watching those interviews you can see that he IS determined to finish the series – for example, I recall an interview where he shared that he is angry at the people behind the tv show “Lost” because they failed to deliver an ending the befits their story.

    4. Hack, he was even heard to say that AsoIaF might not be finished in 7 books, and that an 8th book is an ulikely but not nonexistent possibility. These are not words coming from the mouth of someone who has tired of what he’s doing

    4a as far as Martin is concerned, his main concern is finsihing the story of Westeros.

    5. By the way, not only dis he never stop working on AsoIaF, Martin has also written the Dunk & Egg short stories in the same world, and he is about to finish working on a book giving a very detailed overview of the history of Weseteros, detailing the actual historical war that was called “The Dance of Dragons”.

    6. Bottom line? Martin still spends most of his time writing about Westeros, even though it’s been 20 years since he started it.
    He’s not about to quit before the finish line. No way.

    7. And, by the way, Martin said “2014, certainly not earlier than that”. That means he knows it won’t be finished this year but he belives it will be next year.

    Oh, my sweet summer child,
    1. That is mere speculation or something you put on a wishlist.
    2. I hope you’re wrong because that sentence strongly suggest that he never finishes. What’s right for him is very far of what’s right for you (supposing that you’d like to read the conclusion of the story)
    3. That is called “Irony”. Or “Hypocrisy”. You choose.
    4. That’s “Advertising”.
    4a. Again, nothing certain or solid, just wishful thinking.
    5. You’re mentioning specific “side projects” which occupy the time of someone who has nothing more important to do i.e. ASoIaF. Figure that yourself.
    6. I wish that was the case. He himself states that he does not do what you’re saying. He constantly reports that he has other things to do and “a life” to run and he usually gets mad to people who suggest such things. (Also, add a couple or more years to your estimation)
    7. From that sentence you end up to that conclusion?!? What can I say…

    In an attempt to comfort you, know this: It’s not your fault. I consider myself a big fan of ASoIaF but after that kind of news I settle for anything the man can give us. Can it be a sample chapter? a summary of some sort? even a famous quote of a favorite character. It will be enough, I’ll be content.
    Because, let’s face it, Winter is not coming.

  116. LV
    Posted February 6, 2013 at 6:16 am | Permalink

    The amount of entiteled and uninformed bullshit written by some people here is amazing.

    Martin needs the money. Martin is looking for excuses not to write ASOIAF. Martin is bored and wants to quit ASOIAF. Martin is fat and old and will die soon. ASOIAF has gone down the drain after ASOS. Someone else should finish ASOIAF – why not Benioff & Weiss?

    For fuck’s sake, if you know about Martin and his work only since 2011, don’t publicly talk about things that you are so obviously ignorant about. All of this has be discussed before and people who are more informed than you have written informed pieces on the questions at hand – not to speak of Martin, who has answered them in extenso.

    If you need to whine on the internet, please whine about a topic with which you are somewhat familiar with, at least.

  117. Lannister Accountant
    Posted February 6, 2013 at 6:22 am | Permalink

    I wish I could say I’m optimistic, but I’m not. Someone laid out the timeline for the series for the next three years. That should give Martin enough time to finish WoW, but I’m not holding my breath.

  118. Strongboar
    Posted February 6, 2013 at 6:22 am | Permalink

    Coltaine777,

    Exactly what i thought. The expanse would make for great tv. Kida like a gorier version of firefly.

  119. RamsaySnow
    Posted February 6, 2013 at 6:26 am | Permalink

    Calm down, LV, why are you so angry and mad. What made you so upset? People just have a nice talk about NFL blogger work ethic and commitment to ASOIAF without fear of censorship, no need for you go into hysteric mood.

    A little advise, friend, go there to Not a Blog, and discuss about NFL, that’ll calm you down. There’s nothing else to discuss in that writer’s blog, go figure, a funny world we live in, nothing else to discuss in a bestselling autor’s blog…

  120. Rob
    Posted February 6, 2013 at 6:53 am | Permalink

    To those sadly deluded individuals who think this announcement is wonderful news for the future of ASOIAF, I give you just one word – Multiverse.

  121. a dude
    Posted February 6, 2013 at 7:00 am | Permalink

    LV,

    hah, that’s funny.
    Let’s correct a few mistakes here:
    1) Let’s say the only thing Martin made money off of in the last ten year was selling Song of Ice and Fire books (which is very far from the truth – he made truckloads of money from selling the rights on the books to HBO, and he IS constantly writing and editing other stories, which is what most writers do, and that’s enough to live by on it’s own). Martin sells books in dozens of languges, he was several times on the new york bestseller lists in very high places for long periods of time. The same is true for other high calibar best selling books lists, like amazon.
    Now let’s say he makes 1 dollar per book he sells. Given that he literally sold millions of copys around the golbe, you get the obvious truth that Martin is a multi millioner. He dosen’t need any more money, trust me.

    Also, I am an avid Martin fan since Feast For Crows was published (about 6 years ago I think). In that time Iv’e been reading his blod daily, and not only have I read the entire Song of Ice and Fire series twice, I also read over nearly everything else that he has written or edited (except for the wild card series which I don’t like but there’s barely any Martin in it anyway). I viewed many interviews with the man and read his auto biographic pieces. I find it hard to believe that you know significantly more about him than I do.

    Unless disaster strikes and Martin dies at a rather young age, I fully expect him to finish writing his Song. People can call it blind faith but Iv’e actualy put quite an unreasonable amount of thought into the matter, and as far as I’m able to judge, Martin is genuinely intrested in finishing the series and is working hard to do so.

  122. A-Gone
    Posted February 6, 2013 at 7:00 am | Permalink

    To those sadly deluded individuals who think this announcement is wonderful news for the future of ASOIAF, I give you just one word – Multiverse.

    Ok. Now explain.

  123. Abyss
    Posted February 6, 2013 at 7:07 am | Permalink

    Devo,

    In no way was writing for tv the place were it all started for GRRM. Read Dreamsongs 1 and 2 if you want to know more about it. ;-)
    And 64 isn’t that old these days, just saying.

  124. Cerb
    Posted February 6, 2013 at 7:15 am | Permalink

    Good for him. It’s his time and he might very well spend it however he pleases.

    Maybe he is scared of finishing the book series and would rather do something else for a while. Would be understandable. Judging from “A Dance with Dragons” he is starting to lose control of his narrative and obviously, there is no editor left who has the self-confidence to tell Mr. Martin to cut 300 pages.

    In my opinion he should take his time with the next book and write it when he is ready and focused.

  125. Maxwell James
    Posted February 6, 2013 at 7:20 am | Permalink

    I think this is great, particularly because it ensures Martin remains closely engaged with the show.

    Once the show proved to be a hit, it was never likely that he would be able to produce novels fast enough to stay ahead of it. Martin works the way he works; it’s clear that he doesn’t like to have only one project at a time, and fans who think that he could just knuckle down and finish ASOIAF in a couple of years “if he really wanted to” are fooling themselves.

    At the same time, this contract does something very important: it maintains his involvement with Game of Thrones for the foreseeable future. Since the show is very likely to depict the ending of ASOIAF before the books do, that seems important. It’s no accident that Martin’s episodes of the show have been among the very best D&D have produced, or that the show often flounders when it veers away from his vision. He’s the best writer they have on staff, and he knows better than anyone else how to bring this thing to a satisfying conclusion.

    It’s a weird way to close out one of the best fantasy series ever written, but I’ll take it. Whatever works.

  126. Me Loves Jaime
    Posted February 6, 2013 at 7:31 am | Permalink

    argilac’s antler:
    I’m not even going to read any comments about this.

    I personally think its fantastic news and I’m super excited and happy for GRRM. However, I know there’s going to be even more bitching now from “fans” about him taking on other projects while he still has two more ASOIAF books to go. Those people make me sick.

    Get a grip.

  127. Fabian Schneider
    Posted February 6, 2013 at 7:33 am | Permalink

    To be honest, I am more excited about whatever creative product Martin may create from this than Winds of Winter. This may get me into trouble, but I enjoy his short stories just as much as I do ASoIaF (well, minus Dance, that just felt weak). So yeah, happy about anything this may bring!

  128. Gez
    Posted February 6, 2013 at 7:36 am | Permalink

    Guys I wouldnt worry about all the catching up aspects mentioned, HBO will have no issue with taking the show off the air for 2+ years until Martin is finished with the next book. Be prepared for 2+ year gaps once HBO catches up.

    I still think he can get WoW out sooner than expected though.

  129. Moon-and-Star
    Posted February 6, 2013 at 7:43 am | Permalink

    Dear gods, by reading the comments you’d think the man died or something.

    Well, I say good for George, if this is what he wants to do then he has every right to do it. And unlike some people I don’t feel the need to demand Winds in my hands as soon as humanly possible. It’ll be done when it’s done and I’d rather wait five years for a great book than something he churned out in a year or two in order to “please the fans”.

    Sorry, but this whole “he’s never gonna finish ASOIAF now, it’s obvious he lost interest etc.” seems a wee bit disrespectful to me, especially considering most of the projects that are apparently keeping him from the next book or however you want to put it are invariably about ASOIAF: Dunk&Egg, the upcoming Dance of the Dragons story, the map book, the histories, not to mention the show… I don’t know, seems to me if he were tired of this universe he wouldn’t write so much extra stuff about it.

    I don’t think anyone who’s been a fan for a while realistically expected The Winds of Winter sooner than 2014 and even that seems soon compared to the hell that was waiting for Dance. At least this time we’ll get the full cast unlike the last time :)
    He still has at least four seasons before HBO catches up (I’m guessing we might get a season and a half for Feast and Dance each with a bit of mix-and-match), so he does still have time. It might be just my endless optimism, but I’m not worried :)

    Though, to be fair, I’m like 90% sure we’ll wind up with eight books and honestly I wouldn’t mind. I guess part of being an ASOIAF fan is realizing it’s kind of a major life investment :)

    Until then, there are plenty awesome books for me to read, both by GRRM and other writers.

  130. RamsaySnow
    Posted February 6, 2013 at 7:47 am | Permalink

    Martin said recently in his blog that he watches some 16 shows per week (or was it 18?). 16 different TV shows per week in the middle of NFL season, how can he manage? I know I can’t. I know I couldn’t. I know when I was unemployed, I felt into depression, watching all those different crime shows (why are all policewomen in America some hot chicks, if I ever go to US, I hope I get arrested by US law enforcement, it’s my wet dream to be handled by those women, even handled roughly if needed be. You promise to handle me, police officer, I promise to be a bad boy.) and other, but it weren’t 16. Anyway, I got out of the depression, I got a lot of work, and barely manage to watch my weekly soccer game dosage. Maybe that’s what happened to Martin? He’s clearly not working anything, he’s like unemployed, he’s late on every side project (just check his blog, whenever he talks about his work projects he talks about missed deadlines), so who knows, he felt into depression, he just sits there on the couch, eating whatever obese people in US eat and watch television. If this is true, and I think it’s true, this is good news for Martin, if he can get some job in HBO, maybe this will drag him out of the depression and interrupt the vicious circle of just laying half-dead in front of TV set boring himself to death in self pity. George, I know how it is when you are unemployed without anything useful to do the whole day. BUT THERE IS A WAY OUT! Work your way out, this HBO job may be your way out! Get well George, you can make it, I did it, so can you!

  131. Wastrel
    Posted February 6, 2013 at 7:55 am | Permalink

    Ah fuck. There goes ASOIAF.

    I can’t blame the man – I doubt I could stick to writing the same damn story for a decade and a half and not get bored and want to do other stuff instead. It’s still a blow for the fans, though. Frankly, at this stage i’d prefer it if he just said ‘I’m not into this anymore, I’m going to take a few years to do other stuff until ASOIAF starts seeming fresher again’. That way we’d know not to wait up. But I guess commercial interests prevent this from happening.

    And yeah, my own bet would be that this is about Doorways, at least at first.

  132. ieiazel
    Posted February 6, 2013 at 7:56 am | Permalink

    a dude,

    Forgive me for highlighting the obvious again but this is not a matter of him needing more money. It is about him wanting more, which is, of course, entirely reasonable. But taking into account that he knows a good chunk of his fandom is pretty angry with how he manages things and that he has trouble meeting his deadlines, the decision to add still more projects to a hugely bloated to-do list is quite upsetting. At least for many of us.

  133. Atreyu
    Posted February 6, 2013 at 7:58 am | Permalink

    LV,
    Who are these informed people you speak of? I’d love to read their stuff. It is hoped that includes some schmexy JonJon slashfic. Or another A.A. Milne/R.R. Martin crossover smash.

    What questions has Mr. Martin answered ”in extenso”? Unless you’re speaking of Mr. Martin expounding on where the turtles came from or his reaction to watching the filming of Dany and Drogo’s wedding night (“very romantic”!), I wouldn’t mind seeing some examples.

  134. ThomasS
    Posted February 6, 2013 at 8:01 am | Permalink

    Can’t see this as being very positive for ASOIAF’s completion, given GRRM’s track record. At the very least, this has all but ensured that there will be at least 5 years before the next book is finished/released.

    Sure, he can do whatever he wants. But folks every right to bitch about it and call him out on making a joke of the ‘professional author’ title by neither writing nor being professional. He does have a responsibility to those that have paid him money to complete the story he started.

  135. Joshua Taylor
    Posted February 6, 2013 at 8:02 am | Permalink

    Enh…I have no comment. I’ll just keep watching the Shield now that the seasons are so cheap. Good show btw.

  136. Mormegil
    Posted February 6, 2013 at 8:06 am | Permalink

    dizzy: I would bet this is either Wildcards related or some other non-ASOIF project. Wildcards would be a cool show if HBO was looking to get into the superhero genre.

    It’s unlikely to be anything to do with Wild Cards as that is being developed into a film series with the Syfy Channel and Universal Pictures.

    This was announced back in 2011 and AFAIK is still happening.

  137. Duff Man
    Posted February 6, 2013 at 8:10 am | Permalink

    http://grrm.livejournal.com/283248.html

    Apparently HBO didn’t read George’s blog back in June when he asked people not to offer him any more new projects.

  138. ieiazel
    Posted February 6, 2013 at 8:12 am | Permalink

    Duff Man:
    http://grrm.livejournal.com/283248.html

    Apparently HBO didn’t read George’s blog back in June when he asked people not to offer him any more new projects.

    When you have a truckload of money, you simply jump over those nuisances ;)

  139. Adam Whitehead
    Posted February 6, 2013 at 8:28 am | Permalink

    Yup, the TV and film rights for WILD CARDS belongs to SyFy and Universal. HBO can’t do anything with that.

    GRRM is likely doing a JJ Abrams, which is consists of saying, “Hey, wouldn’t a show about this high concept be cool?” and then giving the project to other writers to develop. Abrams has spent most of the last 12-18 months working full-time on the STAR TREK sequel but has also some come up with several new TV shows, showing this kind of development stuff is not a full-time commitment.

    More likely still is that this deal allows HBO (with varying degrees of GRRM’s involvement) to develop adaptations of his other work. WILD CARDS and THE SKIN TRADE are unavailable, but everything else is still up for grabs. I can see them looking at FEVRE DREAM and maybe TUF VOYAGING (or GRRM’s ‘Thousand Worlds’ SF setting in general) as things that are suitable for adaptation, as well as THE HEDGE KNIGHT.

    Based on GRRM’s extensive comments in the last two years about taking on too many projects around the time ADWD was wrapping up, I consider it unlikely he would take on this deal unless the time commitment was not going to impact on ASoIaF significantly. However, it may well be that this is GRRM’s intention but ultimately it does end up impacting more significantly than he thinks. We will see there.

    I’m beginning to think it will be HBO that comes up with an ending to ASOIAF, not Martin.

    At this point, I think this is inevitable. I am not expecting THE WINDS OF WINTER until late 2015 at the earliest, and A DREAM OF SPRING until 2019 at the absolute earliest (and only possible if GRRM decides to forego a major promotional tour for TWoW). The chances of the series lasting eight or nine seasons is near-negligible, so we will almost certainly see this story end on HBO potentially years before it appears in print. The only reason it won’t is if the show’s popularity suddenly nosedives and it is cancelled.

  140. Brain Jones
    Posted February 6, 2013 at 8:45 am | Permalink

    Okay…I picked up the Game of Thrones while waiting for the next Eye of the World book. The woman at the book store (MANY) years ago recommended these 3 books that everyone was reading while they waited for the next Jordan. I was told by this helpful woman that this was a COMPLETE series and I didn’t have to wait for the next one, as I didn’t want a new series where I was going to be on the hook waiting for the next one. BIG surprise…not only was it an unfinished series, but this author wound up taking much longer than Jordan did between books. So what is HBO going to do when they finish the story of the 5 books out now and Martin is still 5 years away from the next book? Even more importantly, while the first 3 books were genius, it took me 2 years to get through Feast (it was tedious beyond belief and more like a homework assignment) and book five is even worse. I can’t get more than 50 pages in. I am not the only one. My friends all feel the same way. My mother had trouble with the last two (we have had common interests in books for years), but HAS read both to the end. She was disappointed both times. So we have an author writing books that aren’t up to his is usual standards (and really are boring beyond measure), who takes close to decades between books. Did HBO consider this before starting the project? I have stopped watching, even though the show is great, because I know where the story goes, or really doesn’t go. I just feel bad for HBO and fans of the series who have some crappy material ahead of them and who knows how long before the next book…
    slave2thewage,

  141. Kael of the Lake
    Posted February 6, 2013 at 8:50 am | Permalink

    My only concern, because I love Mr. Martin, is whether D&D find it a good idea to give him so much to do. We all know that GRRM likes to take his time to deliver a project because, undoubtedly, perfection is more important than being strictly on time.
    And I already know that he was ok with the episodes on S1 and S2 but the same was back in the days of aCoK and aSoS. I wouldn’t want HBO to load him with another monkey on his back and then, somehow, it’ll be Mr. Martin’s fault that the episodes are being delayed or a series is canceled. I hope they have prepared themselves on this scenario and don’t ask much from the man.

  142. Jen@House Stark
    Posted February 6, 2013 at 8:57 am | Permalink

    I would hope his first love is the SOIAF book series. Would love Dunk and Egg series but, finish the damn books first for the love of the Seven!

  143. RamsaySnow
    Posted February 6, 2013 at 8:58 am | Permalink

    Overburding Mr. Martin with work is my concern also. I see Mr. Martin like those poor fellows who survived Auschwitz, they were hungry like hell, but they were slowly introduced into eating, only few spoons per day, or else they would die. Mr. Martin needs to take it slowly, they shouldn’t drop to much work on his weak shoulders, he’s not used to work anymore, at least at the beginning they need to dose carefully what they burden him with. Just few spoons of work per day!

  144. John
    Posted February 6, 2013 at 9:02 am | Permalink

    Alexandra: Um… Let’s see. There’s this year, then next year is the other half of Storm, then maybe they’ll make AFFC into 2 separate seasons, and same for ADWD. That seems like a considerable amount of time. Longer than 3 years at least. George wouldn’t leave the ASOIAF books high and dry.

    In all seriousness, have you read those books? There’s a *lot* more filler (especially in A Feast for Crows, which feel like it could be like six episodes worth of material) in them than in the first three books. The people who think there’s enough for for two seasons apiece are delusional, unless Benioff and Weiss plan on writing a *lot* of original scenes. I’m actually surprised at how negative the reaction has been. Not that I disagree with any of it. I agree wholeheartedly that this is a bad development for the completion of ASOIAF (some people here–and perhaps Martin himself–don’t seem to realize that many of us are not Martin fans per se, but rather ASOIAF fans), though I’m certainly hoping that I’m wrong, and he’s able to finish the series in a timely fashion. But honestly, he’s lost the benefit of the doubt at this point, as the last two books took an unacceptable amount of time to publish, *and* they were much worse in quality.

  145. Patricia Keith
    Posted February 6, 2013 at 9:05 am | Permalink

    Ryan Genualdi,

    Yes. American Gods by Neil Gaiman. Read it.

    And to all you whiners about ASOIAF, read this:
    http://journal.neilgaiman.com/2009/05/entitlement-issues.html

  146. dizzy
    Posted February 6, 2013 at 9:07 am | Permalink

    Well this news is very vague so I’ll reserve my “OH GOD THE WINDS OF WINTER IS DOOMED, THIS SERIES WILL NEVER GET FINISHED…rable, rable, rable” rant till we get a bit more information. So far it says he’s going to continue doing (for two more years, hello seasons 4 & 5) what he’s been doing for the past three years and help produce a new series, whatever that means.

  147. Adam Whitehead
    Posted February 6, 2013 at 9:09 am | Permalink

    GRRM won’t have anything to do with AMERICAN GODS. Neil Gaiman himself is writing the pilot episode and will likely be very hands-on with the show. There’s no real need for GRRM to get involved there.

    some people here–and perhaps Martin himself–don’t seem to realize that many of us are not Martin fans per se, but rather ASOIAF fans

    Martin is very well aware of this. Two authors he knows and respects – Frank Herbert and Stephen Donaldson – had the same problem. Every time Frank Herbert published a book that was not DUNE, no-one would care and it will sell middlingly. Every time he published a new DUNE book, it got tons of coverages and lots of publicity.

    With Donaldson (Donaldson’s GAP series directly inspired ASoIaF’s POV structure, btw), he was talked into writing a second THOMAS COVENANT trilogy by the publish. His next series, the MORDANT’S NEED duology, sold about half as well. The SF GAP series sold about half as much again. When he returned to the THOMAS COVENANT series for the final four books (the last of which is due this year), his sales shot back up again.

    So GRRM is certainly aware that most of his fans are fans of ASoIaF first and foremost. Whether that has any bearing on what he works on is more questionable, but it is worth noting that the sum total of GRRM’s non-ASoIaF fiction writing in the last twenty-two years comprises exactly two short stories (one new WILD CARDS story and his SONGS OF THE DYING EARTH story), with a possible third one for the Poul Anderson tribute anthology. Apart from that, everything is either Westeros-related or editing work.

  148. Dustin Coleman
    Posted February 6, 2013 at 9:18 am | Permalink

    He really just needs to concentrate on finishing the Song of Ice and Fire series first. All these side projects are eth reason it’s taking atleast 5 years per book. Always waiting for the next one is getting frustrating. I feel his true fans are the ones who read the books and not show which really doesn’t fully follow how the book goes.

  149. Winter Is Coming
    Posted February 6, 2013 at 9:19 am | Permalink

    Adam Whitehead, did we ever find out if the original ASOIAF option purchased by HBO back in 2007 included the Dunk & Egg stories? I remember you wondering about that on Twitter but never heard a definitive answer. If not, presumably HBO would have to purchase those rights in a deal separate from this one and the original one that resulted in Game of Thrones. Is that correct?

  150. Eric A
    Posted February 6, 2013 at 9:22 am | Permalink

    I hope this deal is to create what is essentially a “flashback series”.

    It would be next to impossible to incorperate all the back story from the books into the series without stretching the story – and budget – too far.

    However, they could start a new series, even just one or two seasons worth, and explain it all. The rebellion, the dunk and egg stuff (which I haven’t read), and all the other legends and myths that are in the books. They could even do it in an animated format, like the backstories from the blurays for all I care….

    They fill in the viewers about the info NOT in the series, they entertain everyone, AND they take up time in between season 4 and 5 (or 5 and 6), giving him time to write the story.

  151. Adam Whitehead
    Posted February 6, 2013 at 9:25 am | Permalink

    He really just needs to concentrate on finishing the Song of Ice and Fire series first. All these side projects are eth reason it’s taking atleast 5 years per book.

    AFFC took 5 years and there weren’t many side-projects around. ADWD took 5-and-a-half and there was a few more, but GRRM was adamant they didn’t take any time out of his writing schedule (as those were almost all editing jobs).

    With TWoW, GRRM has actually admitted to biting off more than he could chew, with both LANDS OF ICE AND FIRE and WORLD OF ICE AND FIRE biting into his WoW writing time (though LANDS is now out and WORLD should be within the next year). That’s more of a concern, but still manageable if 1) the new HBO deal doesn’t likewise eat into his writing time and 2) if no more Meereenese Knots show up.

    Winter Is Coming,

    I’ve asked GRRM about that (twice on his LJ and, IIRC, once in person) and not gotten a straight reply. So I’m presuming there’s some sort of legal reason why he can’t confirm or deny that, probably related to the TV companies wanting to be the ones to make those kind of announcements.

  152. Canary
    Posted February 6, 2013 at 9:32 am | Permalink

    Winter Is Coming,

    The problem is that I really feel that GRRM’s constantly expanding and chaotic plate of responsibilities is directly responsible for the decline in quality of the books.

    I don’t give a single shit about anything he does other than ASOIAF and am entirely ambivalent about seeing Dunk & Egg on the screen (as much as I love the comics/short stories) so I’m also very disappointed by news of yet another helping of crap he’s heaped on his platter.

    (And for the record, no, he’s not my bitch, he can do what he wants, but I sure as hell can think it’s a poor decision.)

  153. Meg
    Posted February 6, 2013 at 9:37 am | Permalink

    The guy’s time management is just abysmal. I feel like this is the job he always wanted to have. He loves the fame, the attention, the praise, and with this job he can just pitch ideas without having to worry about the ending…not telling a story from beginning to end seems to be what he’s good at. Yeah, I’m not a Martin fan, can you tell.

  154. dizzy
    Posted February 6, 2013 at 9:40 am | Permalink

    Ian Whyte for Ser Duncan the Tall! :) you know cause he’s… tall guy… oh never mind.

  155. GeekFurious
    Posted February 6, 2013 at 9:40 am | Permalink

    This is great news for George, terrible news for anyone hoping the next book will be out in 2015.

  156. Zack
    Posted February 6, 2013 at 9:41 am | Permalink

    When it catches up to the books, there’s more chance of Game of Thrones pulling a Dexter or True Blood (e.g. going off entirely on its own path, resulting in wildly different plotlines and character paths) than there is of the show going on hiatus for any length of time, only to come back on the air later. Get real.

    That’s why we never got that Deadwood movie. Once a show is canceled, and those involved move on to new projects, its infeasible to re-sign every single actor, producer, et cetera. And HBO certainly isn’t going to be paying the actors in ‘off years’ to incentivize them to be ready to come back when needed.

  157. Inn atthe Crossroads
    Posted February 6, 2013 at 9:47 am | Permalink

    Well done George! He must be absolutely thrilled.
    (and is seriously so not our bitch)

  158. FTBG
    Posted February 6, 2013 at 9:49 am | Permalink

    Finish the book, George.

  159. Rogge
    Posted February 6, 2013 at 9:51 am | Permalink

    Patricia Keith:
    Ryan Genualdi,

    Yes. American Gods by Neil Gaiman. Read it.

    And to all you whiners about ASOIAF, read this:
    http://journal.neilgaiman.com/2009/05/entitlement-issues.html

    We have all read these before, not your bitch, entitlement, and so on.

    When an author is writing a series, they release one book at a time, because they need to see if there’s an audience before writing a whole series, they need the money from the first book to live on while writing the following ones, etc.

    When we buy books in an unfinished series, we do it with the presumption that it will be finished. Otherwise many of us would not have started reading it.

    George Martin has made me, and possibly others, skip books in unfinished series. I simply won’t buy a book if it’s part of an unfinished series.

    If there are other people thinking the same way, this probably hurt authors who are now in the situation George Martin was 20 years ago when he gave out his first book in a song of ice and fire.

  160. Kael of the Lake
    Posted February 6, 2013 at 9:55 am | Permalink

    Adam Whitehead,

    Well, loving a story – not its author is a rather healthy behaviour, don’t you agree? Being compelled to like anything an author/singer/director produces doesn’t make you an unbiased fan.
    The notion of loving an artist means that anything he creates is objectively successful (or that you are dating him). Especially for ASoIaF, that remains to be seen.

  161. KatieJo
    Posted February 6, 2013 at 10:01 am | Permalink

    Patricia Keith,

    Look, I love Neil Gaiman, I do. He’s one of my favorite (if not my favorite) authors. But I’m getting so sick of people throwing that link around every time someone expresses frustration that this series isn’t done. Yeah, no, GRRM is NOT our bitch. True. But as this is a fan site, and the only way to participate is to use our keyboards, and we all are fairly annoyed that we’ve become invested in a story that’s taken several decades to get to the halfway point, I think we’re allowed to express ourselves. Instead of recycling an argument that, believe me, we’ve all read, just leave the topic be.

  162. theMountainGoat
    Posted February 6, 2013 at 10:04 am | Permalink

    Winter Is Coming,

    Yes this was confirmed to me by a source close to GRRM. The original HBO deal did not include anything historical set in Westeros, that includes War of the Usurper or Dunk + Egg. I was not particularly surprised that Dunk + Egg was not included but the terms specifying no historical adaptations was a little surprising. But then George does know his way around legal contracts and knows how to close loopholes that stop him losing creative control of his properties.

    Of course that does not rule out the option of a new deal covering any other property including Dunk + Egg or adaptation of Westeros history. Perhaps this might eventually be what this deal with HBO is about but I think it’s more likely to be something non-Westeros related. Doorways is a strong possibility and there could be dozens of other ideas he has had over the last 18 years that he has jotted down but never done anything with because he was working on ASOIAF.

  163. Winter Is Coming
    Posted February 6, 2013 at 10:10 am | Permalink

    theMountainGoat, ok, thanks for the info! Hopefully George will comment soon and shed a little more light on exactly what sort of things he has in mind to develop…

  164. dizzy
    Posted February 6, 2013 at 10:15 am | Permalink

    theMountainGoat,

    I would love for this to be Dunk & Egg but I just don’t think it is for some reason.

  165. Jake
    Posted February 6, 2013 at 10:19 am | Permalink

    Alexandra:
    So much negativity. You people DO remember that there is still two and a half more books left to make into the show. And George has been working on Winds for a while now… He must have made some pretty good headway. I think everything will work out fine. Just chill. I think all this waiting for season 3 and the whole trailer thing has put some people in a sour mood.

    Yeah I kind of agree with you. A lot of stuff made for AFFC and ADWD was supposedly dropped from those books to be added into TWOW, so he must have a pretty sizable chunk of it done already. I don’t understand why people are getting so impatient for season 3 trailers. Yeah, I’m just as excited to see the show as everyone else, but it comes out in less than 2 months, be patient!

    In the meantime, I’ll be re-reading the series and keeping my fingers crossed for TWOW. I don’t really care when they come out, as long as they do come out. I admit I would be very let down if the series never got finished.

  166. April
    Posted February 6, 2013 at 10:25 am | Permalink

    Ya’ll should be ashamed of yourselves. I am as anxious as anyone for the next book. I can’t believe some of you call yourself “fans”. It’s like you feed off of each other’s anger. Chill out people. Hope for the best, prepare for the worst. Have some decency and be grateful for the awesome book and universe we’ve been given to play in.

  167. Knurk
    Posted February 6, 2013 at 10:32 am | Permalink

    Adam Whitehead:
    with a possible third one for the Poul Anderson tribute anthology.

    the fact he missed this deadline by 1.5 years now makes him a big asshole. Sure, he’s noone’s bitch but that can still make you a dick for letting other people who have worked on that book stand in the cold for almost 2 years.

    Or you know, maybe he has been working on WoW these past 18 months like some people seem to believe.

  168. WompWomp
    Posted February 6, 2013 at 10:36 am | Permalink

    Judging from his work on Game of Thrones, I’m actually more excited for this than The Winds of Winter. I actually found A Dance with Dragons to be quite the letdown. ASOIAF lost a lot of steam after A Storm of Swords in general. I really don’t think the two-book split was the optimal choice for the last two books. It’s to the point I’m actually anxious to see what D&D will do to streamline and perhaps even expand on that material. which I’m choosing to see as the calm before the winter storm.

    If they’re really signing him on for a helping hand in bringing American Gods or the Dunk and Egg stories to life, more power to him and HBO. I always welcome more A-list television. Plenty of other books to read in the meantime.

  169. RamsaySnow
    Posted February 6, 2013 at 10:44 am | Permalink

    Our nice guy Georgie was squeeking and squeeching about too many projects on his table few months ago like he was held in Ramsay’s hands and tortured to do additional work, and I quote from his blog:

    No more monkeys, please. Don’t write to me with any tempting offers or cool new projects. I am practicing saying No.

    No, no, no, no, no. Sorry, can’t, pass, no way, count me out, too busy, no, no, no, thanks but no thanks, no thanks, no thanks.

    I love my monkeys, but I have enough.

    I feel sorry for our NFL blogger. Poor Georgie, he tried so hard, he tried so really hard, but couldn’t escape another monkey on his back. Poor guy, he did try so hard.

  170. Mike
    Posted February 6, 2013 at 10:59 am | Permalink

    I’m thinking some of you guys need to get a life outside of ASoIaF… Seriously.

    I’m super anxious for the tWoW, but no amount of bitching will make it come out any sooner.

  171. Martin
    Posted February 6, 2013 at 11:02 am | Permalink

    Plus, if we consider the fact that GRRM is a human being, and that he probably is a bit tired of ASOIAF now then we should gain from him doing other stuff in his life. Stuff that might inspire or indirectly help his writing on Winds.

  172. Kosis
    Posted February 6, 2013 at 11:11 am | Permalink

    It’s ludicrous to think that the guy won’t finish the series. He may not finish it the way people like or he may take way too long and allow the show to catch up, but he’ll finish the story. He cares more than we do about his works and his world and his legacy. He might hit a wall and catch writer’s block for a period of time but the guy will absolutely finish. He has the ending fleshed out in his head already and would look like an absolute doofus to willingly just give up on it. Implausible.

  173. saluk
    Posted February 6, 2013 at 11:26 am | Permalink

    Cool. Can’t wait to hear more.

  174. Juice
    Posted February 6, 2013 at 11:41 am | Permalink

    I love how many people seem to assume that if GRRM didn’t have some side projects, he would totally be able to write 24/7 and produce a great book, faster.

    An author needs to write at his own speed, and I don’t care if between writing sessions he produces shows for HBO, writes a GoT episode or edits an anthology, instead of doing something non-professional.

  175. Tywin's Bastard
    Posted February 6, 2013 at 11:48 am | Permalink

    Great news for George. I’m not too worried about TWOW though since I’m sure that’s still his priority, but everyone can’t just have the inspiration to work on something every waking hour. That he has other projects might very well help him in the process of getting ASOIAF finished with the best possible quality.

    I also don’t at all share the opinions that the last two books were a drop in quality. George has probably become even better at writing characters and while there’s not as much action there’s so much happening below the surface. For me the biggest attraction of these books have always been the characters and that there’s so much more going on than what you see at first glance, which makes it a more profound experience for me.

  176. Kyrenna
    Posted February 6, 2013 at 11:54 am | Permalink

    Ahh…wonderful news :)

    Keeping my fingers crossed it’s Westeros history/Dunk & Egg series, but I think I’ll like pretty much anything George Martin has a noticeable hand in.

    As far as writing ASOIAF goes: from reading his blog for the past five years, reading some interviews…I just don’t think he’d give up on this story. If he was going to do that, he’d have done it between AFFC and ADWD. That was one awful stretch of writers’ block he’s had to overcome (and if you’re looking for the reason his Not a blog turned mostly into a sports blog…go look n read, the posts are still there, key words being ‘the pitchfork crowd’ :/) I think he’ll want to tell it himself, in written form, before HBO gets there, and I’m still confident he’ll do just that. In the meantime, I’ll happily read through my enormous pile of to-be-read books, which include most of the Wildcards series.

  177. A-Gone
    Posted February 6, 2013 at 12:01 pm | Permalink

    I have a big problem with people that say they don’t like the last two books. What in the f are you doing here, then ? Go fish ! Even an admin of the site. I mean, you CAN read/do something else.
    Weren’t you paying attention or something? Even if AFFC misses some characters, the quality was as high as the previous. BUT ADWD??? Get out! This one is fken amazing. I really don’t get you people. You seem so …logical and human until you talk of these last two novels…

  178. Zack
    Posted February 6, 2013 at 12:15 pm | Permalink

    A-Gone,

    The first 3 books are a locomotive at full speed, the last 2 are a stalled car. No forward momentum. Very colorful, detailed descriptions of every facet of wheels spinning in mud. If all you want is detail there isn’t a problem to be found in those books.

    Some of us expect a little more.

  179. KatieJo
    Posted February 6, 2013 at 12:15 pm | Permalink

    April,

    Mike,

    I want to know why people come to a fan board and try to make judgements about the opinions people are sharing here. Seriously? We should be ashamed of ourselves? We don’t have lives? We are all here specifically to talk about this TV show and book series. We’re not always going to love everything that goes on, nor are we going to agree with the people who create them without question. Being a fan doesn’t mean you have to like every single thing a person does.

    No one comes here to talk about every single aspect of our lives. We come here to talk about this series. If you think whether or not GRRM finishes the books is an issue that is all-consuming for any one of us that our personal lives suffer, or is an indication of the fortitude of our moral fiber, you’re the one who is limited.

    You don’t make yourself look smart when you come to a fan board and throw shade everywhere. You’re not better than anyone when you do that. Just stop.

  180. The Anchoress
    Posted February 6, 2013 at 12:22 pm | Permalink

    theMountainGoat,

    Thanks for the info! I personally would welcome something non-Westeros from GRRM, and I think HBO doesn’t want to be so completely tagged with one property. Their slate’s a balancing act, and they don’t want to turn into The Historical Setting network (cough Starz cough). I can’t envision him showrunning anything, either, with all the other balls he’s got up in the air, but I reckon he’s probably been brought on to formally develop a cool pitch – coming from one of his other series or something he hasn’t written – and they’ll staff it later. All for that. Perhaps HBO will finally dip its toe into sci-fi now that it’s tasted success with fantasy. One hopes, one hopes, one hopes. : )

  181. Joshua Taylor
    Posted February 6, 2013 at 12:27 pm | Permalink

    Martin should get Brian Herbert on the phone and get the rights of Dune. THAT should be HBO’s first Sci fi series.

    Isaac Hempstead-Wright for Paul Atreides!

  182. Adam Whitehead
    Posted February 6, 2013 at 12:28 pm | Permalink

    Sure, he’s noone’s bitch but that can still make you a dick for letting other people who have worked on that book stand in the cold for almost 2 years.

    GRRM actually withdrew his story from the anthology a while ago because of this issue.

    Or you know, maybe he has been working on WoW these past 18 months like some people seem to believe.

    The last page quote we had was 400 MS pages done, 200 of which were ‘finalised’ material held over from ADWD. Which on the one hand sound good – 200 new pages done! – until you realise that those pages are only in draft stage, and it’s almost two years since ADWD was completed. I don’t expect this 100-pages-a-year speed to continue, but it’s not an encouraging sign. OTOH, it’s been quite a few months since that info was released, so he may have done more now.

    Something I am rather more concerned about is that if GRRM himself believes that HBO will overtake him and there’s nothing to be done about it, he might feel more inclined to relax or work on other projects on the basis that we’ll get to see the end of the story on TV in a few years regardless. That would be disappointing.

  183. WildSeed
    Posted February 6, 2013 at 12:41 pm | Permalink

    Winter Is Coming:
    theMountainGoat, ok, thanks for the info! Hopefully George will comment soon and shed a little more light on exactly what sort of things he has in mind to develop…

    Exacto ! This is the only course for me, a reasonable expectation in light of
    fandom angst. I’m patient and focused on other Nerdist studies at present :D

  184. Knurk
    Posted February 6, 2013 at 12:46 pm | Permalink

    Adam Whitehead: GRRM actually withdrew his story from the anthology a while ago because of this issue.

    where did you find this info? I got an email from Subterranean Press late November that they were STILL waiting on GRRM. Also still no update on their site:
    http://subterraneanpress.com/index.php/store/product_detail/multiverse_exploring_poul_andersons_worlds

    The endless delay of that story and the fact he couldn’t finish Dunk&Egg (which he thought would be done by Worldcon last year) on time is just a sign of things that tWoW will probably be a long, long, long time away from us if it even ever will be written. I mean, he can’t even force himself to write SHORT stories on time.

  185. Shawn Cantu
    Posted February 6, 2013 at 12:47 pm | Permalink

    Mike:
    I’m thinking some of you guys need to get a life outside of ASoIaF… Seriously.

    THIS! Sometimes the displeasure directed at GRRM is downright vitriolic. As something of a bystander I find it amusing. My first child was born six months ago after a long and arduous pregnancy; I had not realized that two years had passed since the release of Dance until yesterday. There is so much going on in my life right now, that it will come as a pleasant surprise when TWOW is released. People who follow these things too closely should either get paid for it (like the admins here) or put things in perspective.

    Even if GRRM were to somehow die tomorrow, woe betide the critic who bemoans the fact he didn’t complete ASOIAF. In fact, I would rather have it remain incomplete than rushed to completion. Some fans will never find the closure they want in a series like this; the same way readers clamored to know more about the travails of the characters from Harry Potter after the Deathly Hallows. It’s hard to let go of stories and characters that are so well-made, but its downright unhealthy not to do so.

  186. Al Swearengen
    Posted February 6, 2013 at 12:49 pm | Permalink

    Good for George !

  187. Soniel
    Posted February 6, 2013 at 12:50 pm | Permalink

    This is getting stupid. Why doesn’t someone put a gun to this guys head and tell him to start writing? Hell, it might even turn out better under pressure as him taking his sweet time is probably going to take all the flavor out of his writing. This guy needs to honor his commitments before venturing into something else.

  188. Adam Whitehead
    Posted February 6, 2013 at 12:52 pm | Permalink

    Knurk,

    That’s the final table of contents linked on the page, isn’t it? GRRM’s story is conspicuous by its absence. My understanding is that he was initially responsible for the hold-up but then withdrew the story, and they are proceeding without it (otherwise it wouldn’t be coming out in a few months). He certainly hasn’t mentioned it for a long time.

  189. Slick Mongoose
    Posted February 6, 2013 at 12:55 pm | Permalink

    Wild Cards please!

  190. Nick Larter
    Posted February 6, 2013 at 1:02 pm | Permalink

    This is fascinating. A series which starts off as books, gets taken up for a TV adaptation and the last two ‘books’ appear as TV seasons rather than in print – it’s an entirely logical development in the world of media and entertainment, however much we might abhor it. He’d be mad to finish his printed word editions now. We’ll have to wait for the novelisations of the last two seasons by Barney D. Wildhack if we ever want to read the end of the story.

    Meanwhile I await the Armageddon Rag miniseries eagerly :D

  191. Knurk
    Posted February 6, 2013 at 1:07 pm | Permalink

    KatieJo:
    April,

    Mike,

    I want to know why people come to a fan board and try to make judgements about the opinions people are sharing here. Seriously? We should be ashamed of ourselves? We don’t have lives? We are all here specifically to talk about this TV show and book series. We’re not always going to love everything that goes on, nor are we going to agree with the people who create them without question. Being a fan doesn’t mean you have to like every single thing a person does.

    No one comes here to talk about every single aspect of our lives. We come here to talk about this series. If you think whether or not GRRM finishes the books is an issue that is all-consuming for any one of us that our personal lives suffer, or is an indication of the fortitude of our moral fiber, you’re the one who is limited.

    You don’t make yourself look smart when you come to a fan board and throw shade everywhere. You’re not better than anyone when you do that. Just stop.

    very well put, couldn’t agree with you more.

    Adam Whitehead:
    Knurk,

    That’s the final table of contents linked on the page, isn’t it? GRRM’s story is conspicuous by its absence. My understanding is that he was initially responsible for the hold-up but then withdrew the story, and they are proceeding without it (otherwise it wouldn’t be coming out in a few months). He certainly hasn’t mentioned it for a long time.

    that’s not the final table, that page has been there for a long time (see the scheduled fall 2012 publishing date). When I saw that page I contacted Subterranean Press a couple of times and they informed me they were still waiting for GRRM. I will try to e-mail them again.

  192. Dan
    Posted February 6, 2013 at 1:23 pm | Permalink

    RamsaySnow,

    Accept the truth calmly and don’t go raging around the internet.

    Says the man raging on the Internet that GRRM has given up on writing ASOIAF based on zero evidence, and with plenty of evidence to the contrary. Nerd rage is the best rage.

  193. axia777
    Posted February 6, 2013 at 1:33 pm | Permalink

    Adam Whitehead:
    Yup, the TV and film rights for WILD CARDS belongs to SyFy and Universal. HBO can’t do anything with that.

    HBO has the loot. They can just pay them off. It would be easy as pie. Wild Cards is worth is and I don’t trust SyFy(shit hole that they are) with Wild Cards at all. Screw Universal as well. HBO FTW.

  194. Dan
    Posted February 6, 2013 at 1:37 pm | Permalink

    RamsaySnow,

    Ahh, you’re just trolling.

  195. Slynt
    Posted February 6, 2013 at 1:38 pm | Permalink

    Slowly but surely Martin is moving his franchise away from himself; HBO will finish the story, someone else will write adaptations of the TV series’ final seasons. I hope I am wrong.

  196. Dan
    Posted February 6, 2013 at 1:45 pm | Permalink

    Brain Jones,

    Sounds like the series isn’t for you.

  197. April
    Posted February 6, 2013 at 1:46 pm | Permalink

    KatieJo,

    Apologies if I offended anyone. I of all people wouldn’t accuse someone of not having a life for complaining on a fan board. I love anyone who shares in fandom with me. I apologize if I upset anyone. Everyone is entitled to their opinion, I was just shocked at all the hate being thrown around.

  198. April
    Posted February 6, 2013 at 1:49 pm | Permalink

    Soniel,

    Seven hells. Please don’t bring guns into this.

  199. Kingslayer
    Posted February 6, 2013 at 2:11 pm | Permalink

    I think GRRM is getting a little over ambitious. Normally that’s not a bad thing, but in his case, he has a lot of fans waiting for him to finish ASOIAF and it seems like he has his plate overflowing with new projects.

  200. KatieJo
    Posted February 6, 2013 at 2:22 pm | Permalink

    April,

    Lol don’t worry about it hun. It just bugs me when people come out guns blazing to “teach them nerds a lesson about the real world.” (Not saying that’s what you were doing.) It’s so narrow-minded, considering the limited exposure they actually have to the people who post here.

    Soniel,

    Seriously, dude? This is why we can’t have nice things.

  201. Jentario
    Posted February 6, 2013 at 2:30 pm | Permalink

    Wow, you guys are all so pessimistic:
    1. I doubt this will affect TWoW much, especially after the disaster that was the six year break for ADWD. George won’t let it happen, especially since the series is catching up.
    2. The only reason AFFC and ADWD were “lower in quality” is that they were supposed to be one book and were supposed to contain more stuff. The actual quality of the writing was at a series peak (IMO) at ADWD and if only the Battle of Mereen was included in it it would have actually contended with ASOS.
    3. The fact George says he can’t write more than 3 pages a day means he doesn’t put a lot of his time into it (other writers can write and edit whole chapters a day) which theoretically leaves him a lot of free time every day. There is no way he puts more than an hour into writing 3 pages, and the rest of the time can be wasted elsewhere (like this HBO deal).
    4. This is his life, and it doesn’t belong to you. I think that he’s at a point where if he rushes it, he will lose interest so I’d rather he take it slowly and get it done in 2-3 years than forcing himself to write like a normal human being (a chapter a day, or maybe that’s an exaggeration).
    5. TWOW will happen… ADOS is a bit more of a complicated situation though I’m optimistic :)

    EDIT: Oh, and, TRAILER!!!

  202. Knurk
    Posted February 6, 2013 at 2:46 pm | Permalink

    Jentario,

    Just wishful thinking on your part, there isn’t much reason to believe why it won’t take 6 years again this time. George has had a lot of things happen to his deadlines, so another delay is more probable than getting his act together. You are basically saying: he fucked up last time, so he won’t do it again. If someone fucks up, your money is more safe on betting that person will fuck up again. I am not saying you are entirely wrong though, the Ravens won the Superbowl after all and have cost me a lot of money.

    You are saying GRRM writes 1 hour a day? And you say we are pessimistic lol.

  203. Jentario
    Posted February 6, 2013 at 2:54 pm | Permalink

    Knurk:
    Jentario,

    Just wishful thinking on your part, there isn’t much reason to believe why it won’t take 6 years again this time. George has had a lot of things happen to his deadlines, so another delay is more probable than getting his act together. You are basically saying: he fucked up last time, so he won’t do it again. If someone fucks up, your money is more safe on betting that person will fuck up again. I am not saying you are entirely wrong though, the Ravens won the Superbowl after all and have cost me a lot of money.

    And you are saying GRRM writes 1 hour a day? And you say we are pessimistic lol.

    No I was saying I read somewhere that George said he can’t (or, more accurately, WON’T)write more than 3 pages a day. How long could it take to write 3 pages, seriously? Not much.

    That leaves him plenty of time for editing and for his other projects even if he keeps the pace of the original books. Now that he finished his part in “Dangerous Women” he has an extra time slot which he may fill with this HBO thing.

  204. Jentario
    Posted February 6, 2013 at 3:02 pm | Permalink

    Also, lets say he does write 3 pages a day. Now he’s got 1500 pages to write in manuscript so that’s 1500 divided by 3 and what do you get? 500 days. That’s around a year and a half, but obviously I’m not THAT optimistic (its already been 1.5 years, lol) so let’s go ahead and double it for all the days he doesn’t write or writes less than he he planned (and that’s actually an exaggeration)- 3 years. Honestly, the problem with AFFC & ADWD was that GRRM hit writer’s block with the whole time gap fiasco and the Meereenese knot, and unless that happens again it shouldn’t take George much more than 3 years.

  205. Ivan Horvat
    Posted February 6, 2013 at 3:04 pm | Permalink

    As somebody said before, most of these comments make me wish he never finishes the series.. Give the man a break, first of all he does not owe anybody anything, and second, he’s taken his time, as is has right, and has never disappointed with his work. And another thing, if you were offered a very lucrative deal by a company like HBO, I’d like to see anyone turn it down..

  206. April
    Posted February 6, 2013 at 3:19 pm | Permalink

    People should keep in mind that the books are coming to an end. If George can see the light at the end of the tunnel he might be writing faster than before.

  207. Shady_Grady
    Posted February 6, 2013 at 3:35 pm | Permalink

    I am concerned that this will delay the next book in ASOIAF but I’m mildly hopeful that the new work with deadlines will inspire him to edit the next book a little better than ADWD was edited. I also assumed at least 4 years between ADWD and TWOW so I’m not too upset yet.

  208. BGAP
    Posted February 6, 2013 at 4:12 pm | Permalink

    I read somewhere that he’s completed 400 pages of TWOW (200 final and 200 first draft) and that was last Fall. So that’s only another ~1100 pages, and probably less, to go. At 3 pages a day, that’s another 337 writing days, plus revision time. My guess is publication will be late 2014, (Xmas release) or summer 2015 at the latest. The show will be somewhere in the Feast – Dance story line at that time.

  209. Kroms
    Posted February 6, 2013 at 4:27 pm | Permalink

    Moon-and-Star:
    Dear gods, by reading the comments you’d think the man died or something.

    Well, I say good for George, if this is what he wants to do then he has every right to do it. And unlike some people I don’t feel the need to demand Winds in my hands as soon as humanly possible. It’ll be done when it’s done and I’d rather wait five years for a great book than something he churned out in a year or two in order to “please the fans”.

    Sorry, but this whole “he’s never gonna finish ASOIAF now, it’s obvious he lost interest etc.” seems a wee bit disrespectful to me,… I don’t know, seems to me if he were tired of this universe he wouldn’t write so much extra stuff about it.

    I don’t think anyone who’s been a fan for a while realistically expected The Winds of Winter sooner than 2014.

    I guess part of being an ASOIAF fan is realizing it’s kind of a major life investment :)

    Until then, there are plenty awesome books for me to read, both by GRRM and other writers.

    See? The Nerevarine is reasonable. Let the man do what he wants, and it’ll be good if he feels like writing it. You lot bitching about it just lays on this fog of negativity.

  210. the waif
    Posted February 6, 2013 at 4:42 pm | Permalink

    sometime i wonder wht if grrm is reading these posts and then commenting annonymously against his ownself just for fun. wht? (dont give me tht look) he seems like just tht guy.

  211. Chris
    Posted February 6, 2013 at 4:45 pm | Permalink

    Okay folks, here’s one from someone who’s been reading Georg R.R. Martin since before ASOIAF, since before “Wild Cards.”
    I WANT A THOUSAND WORLDS TV SERIES!
    Imagine, HBO could mine material like “A Song for Lya,” “Nightflyers” “Portraits of His Children,” without having to pry Martin away from (what should be) his top priority, finishing ASOAF.
    The whole cosmology and canon (which is VERY loose) is already created and ready to go.
    What say you all?

  212. Chris
    Posted February 6, 2013 at 5:10 pm | Permalink

    I thought it would be sweet if a movie was made about Robert’s Rebellion in the style of the movie “300.” Of course ASOIAF would need to be complete first so they could explain details that haven’t been revealed yet like Jon’s parentage.

  213. Nick Holbrook
    Posted February 6, 2013 at 5:44 pm | Permalink

    summer_stark: Noooooooooo! *cries* dammit man, I know you’re not our bitch and can do whatever you want, but I’m equally free to be bummed about this news. Not the co-ep part–but the devopment part. Wish HBO would’ve made one of the requirements for the deal that he finish aSioaF within a certain timeframe. I mean quality over quantity of course–but at least motivate him to write the series with that carrot and leave wild cards and editing anthologies off the list for awhile. *sigh*

    he might not be “our bitch” but there is surely an expressed promise or even unwritten contract between an author and his readership once an ongoing series of books starts selling in any real numbers. After all we who have bought all 5 books etc have funded GRRM’s wonderful life and large bank balance.

  214. Knurk
    Posted February 6, 2013 at 6:25 pm | Permalink

    Jentario: No I was saying I read somewhere that George said he can’t (or, more accurately, WON’T)write more than 3 pages a day. How long could it take to write 3 pages, seriously? Not much.

    That leaves him plenty of time for editing and for his other projects even if he keeps the pace of the original books. Now that he finished his part in “Dangerous Women” he has an extra time slot which he may fill with this HBO thing.

    Jentario:
    Also, lets say he does write 3 pages a day. Now he’s got 1500 pages to write in manuscript so that’s 1500 divided by 3 and what do you get? 500 days. That’s around a year and a half, but obviously I’m not THAT optimistic (its already been 1.5 years, lol) so let’s go ahead and double it for all the days he doesn’t write or writes less than he he planned (and that’s actually an exaggeration)- 3 years. Honestly, the problem with AFFC & ADWD was that GRRM hit writer’s block with the whole time gap fiasco and the Meereenese knot, and unless that happens again it shouldn’t take George much more than 3 years.

    so naive and so cute. I remember the days I made logical calculations of when the books would be done.

  215. the waif
    Posted February 6, 2013 at 6:37 pm | Permalink

    u all fucktards who bash DWD do know tht grrm planned two battles in 5th novel but had to move it in WoW. sooo…WoW will be badass justlike SoS and lots of characters will be killed by battle with lots of POVs. so story will become compact smhow. and seriously i think at the end of soiaf series i think only few POVs will remain. even at present i think dorne might hv more populatn thn othr kingdoms combined.(fucking war man!). so chill ppl we will se WoW around mid2015 and DoS around late 2018.

  216. shadallion
    Posted February 6, 2013 at 7:12 pm | Permalink

    QUESTION!!

    Since GRRM is only the editor of the Wild Card series, would he even have the rights to adapt content that was partially/mostly written by other authors?

    How does that work?

  217. Yarya
    Posted February 6, 2013 at 7:13 pm | Permalink

    Imagine the worst-case scenario: George never finishes the series, in fact not even TWoW (for whatever reason). Maybe an incomplete, unedited version gets released. In addition, the show ends before it catches up to the books. D&D know the secrets, so years from now they release some type of “explanation” that paints the broad strokes of how the story ends. A huge majority of characters’ fates remain unknown, and several plot lines stay unresolved. Twenty, thirty years from now, we think back and say, Wow, I remember that, I used to love that series…I can’t believe I’ll never know how it all was supposed to end…

    If you can prepare yourself for that, anything else will be good news :D

  218. Knurk
    Posted February 6, 2013 at 7:31 pm | Permalink

    Adam Whitehead,

    Knurk:

    that’s not the final table, that page has been there for a long time (see the scheduled fall 2012 publishing date). When I saw that page I contacted Subterranean Pressa couple of times and they informed me they were still waiting for GRRM. I will try to e-mail them again.

    I just got confirmation Subterranean Press is still waiting on his short story. Good job GRRM, you show Subterranean Press you are not their bitch!

  219. CLB
    Posted February 6, 2013 at 7:44 pm | Permalink

    I can see Dunk & Egg – that would fit nicely. totally new material – a little scary.

    Somewhat sad that they haven’t – and probably never will I suppose – produce some extra material for the Blu-Ray discs – even if it was just an extra hour say across the 10 episodes. A minute here a minute there helping to fill out some of the story details glossed over or portray some of the scope e.g. some extra shots of the Eyrie in season 1, showing it getting larger and larger adding a little to why House Arryn is a power in the land.

    it would also – of course – give a extra reason for people to buy the discs!

  220. Polymeron
    Posted February 6, 2013 at 8:09 pm | Permalink

    Oh my god, the possibilities… A whole season of Tuf Voyaging on the screen? Yes please.

  221. Siobhán Mooney
    Posted February 6, 2013 at 8:11 pm | Permalink

    I’m a little confused. In his blog, GRRM has mourned his busyness and inability to say no. I hope this was the right decision for him and that he enjoys what comes out of it rather than getting more stressed.

    Regarding The Winds of Winter, the two sample chapters he’s posted have been excellent in my opinion and I am cautiously optimistic that the next book will be completed and will be good.

  222. Martin
    Posted February 6, 2013 at 8:36 pm | Permalink

    We are not entitled to anything, let’s just hope for the best ok.
    ok.

  223. Restore The Day
    Posted February 6, 2013 at 8:37 pm | Permalink

    The only positive aspect is if indeed they try and do a Game of Thrones: War of the Usurper and Game of Thrones: Dunk & Egg like Showtime did with Spartacus, that will give him a couple more years to finish his books before they need to get adapted. Assuming he just EP and doesn’t spend too much time actually leading the writer’s room, it would buy some much needed respite while keeping the wolves at bay for a bit.

  224. Luana
    Posted February 6, 2013 at 9:22 pm | Permalink

    Not sure how I feel about this. I hope it gives GRRM a chance to get his creative juices flowing and enjoy himself. I wonder if he’s getting a bit sick of writing ASOIAF and needs a real break?

  225. Steel_Wind
    Posted February 7, 2013 at 12:10 am | Permalink

    GRRM is perfectly entitled to be primarily concerned about GRRM. Nobody else is going to do that — because nobody else gets to BE George Martin. All true.

    But the reverse of that is also true; fans are perfectly entitled to be primarily concerned about what they are FANS of. Expecting them to be anything other than fans is plainly naive and unrealistic.

  226. Kael of the Lake
    Posted February 7, 2013 at 3:36 am | Permalink

    One thing is for sure. GRRM will be a historical example and that won’t be due to the quality of his books.

  227. Adam Whitehead
    Posted February 7, 2013 at 4:52 am | Permalink

    axia777: HBO has the loot.They can just pay them off.It would be easy as pie.Wild Cards is worth is and I don’t trust SyFy(shit hole that they are) with Wild Cards at all.Screw Universal as well.HBO FTW.

    That’s a good point, actually. Normally the assumption would be that once the rights are bought, that’s it, but HBO has the financial firepower to rescue the franchise from SyFy (or even do some kind of co-production deal). It’d make sense for HBO to want to have their own superhero franchise, and WILD CARDS is twisted and un-cliched enough for them.

    The fact George says he can’t write more than 3 pages a day means he doesn’t put a lot of his time into it (other writers can write and edit whole chapters a day) which theoretically leaves him a lot of free time every day. There is no way he puts more than an hour into writing 3 pages, and the rest of the time can be wasted elsewhere (like this HBO deal).

    This isn’t accurate. Sometimes GRRM will write entire chapters in a day. Sometimes he’ll spend a whole day writing and end up with a page of usable material for his troubles. Sometimes he’ll write that entire chapter, think it’s great, come back to it the next day, think it’s rubbish and delete the whole thing. He doesn’t have a consistent work-rate like someone like, say, Brandon Sanderson.

    I just got confirmation Subterranean Press is still waiting on his short story. Good job GRRM, you show Subterranean Press you are not their bitch!

    Surprising. I was sure they’d given up on that front.

  228. King David
    Posted February 7, 2013 at 4:52 am | Permalink

    Hopefully this is to encourage him to write faster and even more hopefully, this will be for a prequel mini-series!

  229. saark
    Posted February 7, 2013 at 7:26 am | Permalink

    OMG roberts rebellion miniseries w the kid who plays gendry as young robert please please pleeeeeeeeze

  230. Jeff O'Connor
    Posted February 7, 2013 at 9:25 am | Permalink

    Admittedly I’m a space opera kid at heart, so if Star Trek continues performing admirably in theaters and the upcoming Star Wars extravaganza kicks off to as strong a start as most are predicting, I’d love to see Martin’s deadly spin on the genre.

  231. KatieJo
    Posted February 7, 2013 at 9:52 am | Permalink

    Steel_Wind: GRRM is perfectly entitled to be primarily concerned about GRRM. Nobody else is going to do that — because nobody else gets to BE George Martin. All true.

    But the reverse of that is also true; fans are perfectly entitled to be primarily concerned about what they are FANS of. Expecting them to be anything other than fans is plainly naive and unrealistic.

    Well said.

  232. Sadface MacBastard
    Posted February 7, 2013 at 10:17 am | Permalink

    TheNightFort:
    Just write the next book for Christ sake!

    The only way this would interest me is if they did an adaption of the story of Robert’s Rebellion. I don’t care about Dunk and Egg.

    This. Though I will admit I half-hope that they will get too far ahead and have to do an entire season of the rebellion anyways just to give GRRM time to catch up xD

  233. Govnor
    Posted February 7, 2013 at 11:09 am | Permalink

    I have suspected (like many others) for quite some time that the series would finish before the books. I don’t think this does anything dispel that line of thinking. Having your mind looking at other projects and going to meetings and planning etc etc is not going to help you finish your current project.

    A bummer for the fans, but sometimes sh!t happens.

  234. Coltaine777
    Posted February 7, 2013 at 12:56 pm | Permalink

    Strongboar: Coltaine777, Exactly what i thought. The expanse would make for great tv. Kida like a gorier version of firefly.

    Good comparison..When I read the books all I could think was this would be awesome on tv …If my fellow posters haven’t read ‘The Expanse’ by George RR Martin asst Ty Franck and Daniel Abraham ? WHAT ARE YOU WAITING FOR ? IT IS AWESOME !!! Book 1 ‘LEVIATHAN WAKES’ …Book 2 ‘CALIBANS WAR’ …..book 3 ‘ABADDONS GATE’ which is coming out this summer to complete the series…

  235. rorschach-
    Posted February 7, 2013 at 1:08 pm | Permalink

    Dunk would be awesome ofcourse, but I give my vote for Hunter’s Run. Somehow it really got me good. Audiobook made it even better, Marc Vietor was gritty enough for Ramon. Also added a few spanish cursewords into my vocabulary for weeks. Pinche book.

  236. Eric
    Posted February 7, 2013 at 1:34 pm | Permalink

    This drops the odds he finishes the series from “Lions win the superbowl in my lifetime” to “Lions win the superbowl next year” >.<

  237. Elaine
    Posted February 7, 2013 at 3:52 pm | Permalink

    Yeah, GRRM won’t be finishing the series. I haven’t believed he would for a long time: it’s been clear since AFfC, and increasingly clear since ADwD, that he’s lost control of the narrative. He really should have kept it to a trilogy like he originally planned.

    But wasn’t it part of his deal with HBO that he gave a basic outline to D&D about how the series will end? So I’m hoping that the show will last long enough to wrap it up. Of course, they don’t have nearly the writing chops that GRRM did, but I’d like some closure anyway, since it’s clear that we aren’t going to get books from him that are anywhere near the quality of the first three.

  238. ColdDrake
    Posted February 7, 2013 at 7:24 pm | Permalink

    Still no word from martin himself. Maybe he’s going to anounce that he’s hired someone to co-author the books with him, I don’t see how he can keep up with the show at his own pace. Unless he’s made a ton of progress in the past few months and hasn’t told us yet. He’s truly lost control of the story which resulted in the last two books both being incomplete and climax-less.

  239. ColdDrake
    Posted February 7, 2013 at 7:30 pm | Permalink

    It’s especially odd considering his “no no no” blog where he swore off taking on too many more projects. The man continually shoots himself and his readers in the foot. HBO was already concerned about his pace, why would they pile more onto him without having some sort of assurance that he can finish the series? And the Dunk and Egg postponement out of nowhere? What’s up with this dude lately? I suspect he knows he’s backed himself into a corner and has hired another author to help finish the series. Or I hope so anyway.

  240. Mummer's farts
    Posted February 7, 2013 at 8:10 pm | Permalink

    Alexandra,

    I agree. For all we know WoW might already be done or nearly so. Think positive people!

  241. George Costanza
    Posted February 7, 2013 at 10:53 pm | Permalink

    I think this is HBO being proactive in their knowing he is never going to finish the ASOFAI series before the TV show catches up, and now they are going to develop his Dunk and Egg stories to use as filler to let him finish the last book. I probably shouldnt even be optimistic that he has Winds done before the series catches up, but I would think with the issues of Feast and Dragons behind him he should be able to at least get the 6th book done…This man is both a perfectionist and a procrastinator and for a writer that might be the most frustrating combo for his fans (of which I am certainly one). He got the first 3 books out in 5 years, so as much as he and everyone likes to point out that he is a slow writer, he isnt. He just lost control of the series and is having issues moving the plot forward in a coherent way, which is obvious if you’ve finished the last 2 installments. Then there is him hinting that the series might need 8 books to finish the story, which is worrisome for multiple reasons. 1) if he cant nail that down then he is going to struggle with how far Winds moves the plot towards the series conclusion. 2) he most likely wont live to finish the series (and if he does he’ll be damn near 80 and less than sharp of mind) 3) the HBO series will become the canon source for at least the last 2 books, which his readers would be outraged by. I’m just so frustrated by this that I almost wish I never started reading the series in the first place.

  242. Leuf
    Posted February 7, 2013 at 11:54 pm | Permalink

    George Costanza:
    I think this is HBO being proactive in their knowing he is never going to finish the ASOFAI series before the TV show catches up, and now they are going to develop his Dunk and Egg stories to use as filler to let him finish the last book.

    If HBO was concerned about him finishing work for project A, why would they hire him to also do project B and further delay him on project A? Much more likely that HBO doesn’t care one bit when the next book comes out than that they are acting against their own interests.

    It’s entirely possible that from the beginning D&D, GRRM, and HBO planned for the series to go its own way after ASOS or AFFC/ADWD. There is nothing to be gained from telling anyone this before it happens, because it can only piss off the book fan base before you even start.

  243. Elaine
    Posted February 8, 2013 at 12:05 am | Permalink

    Leuf,

    Leuf, I bet you’re right. And I’m okay with that, I guess.

  244. Jess
    Posted February 8, 2013 at 11:08 am | Permalink

    TheNightFort,

    That is unlikely. GRRM described ASoIaF as telling the story of Robert’s Rebellion backwards. The only way it would be adapted would be after the book series has come to a complete end.

  245. Shank
    Posted February 8, 2013 at 1:51 pm | Permalink

    Naming no names, but Jesus Christ, some of you people are whiny! I wanna read The Winds of Winter as much as the next man, but sometimes I hope he never finishes it just to spite you fucking people. Get it straight, George R.R. Martin’s only obligation is to write the best books he can, by his own lights. If that takes him one year, five years, or fifty years, so be it. He doesn’t owe you anything just because you bought his books. You bought his books because you wanted to read them, because they’re bloody good. Quit badgering the man and let him work in his own way, in his own time. That’s worked pretty damn well so far.

  246. Nikki
    Posted February 8, 2013 at 2:19 pm | Permalink

    I’m not particularly fussed about him taking on new gigs, if he wants to work on other things then that’s fine. The little bit of WoW I’ve read so far looks promising and I actually enjoyed both AFfC and ADwD. If he doesn’t finish the series I’ll bloody well start writing them myself though. I think I’ve pretty much got it sussed exactly who the 3rd Dragon is and all that. Especially since there is no way in Hell that Ned was Jon Snow’s father. And there’s no way in Hell Jon’s actually dead. My vote goes to him being an illegitimate Targaryen; Rhaegar’s son with Lyanna Stark. I also think he’s the one Melisandre has been looking for, because there’s now way in Hell that Stannis is the right guy.

  247. Adam Whitehead
    Posted February 8, 2013 at 2:33 pm | Permalink

    book 3 ‘ABADDONS GATE’ which is coming out this summer to complete the series…

    Unfortunately not. There will be 6 books in the series, followed by a short story collection.

    now they are going to develop his Dunk and Egg stories to use as filler to let him finish the last book

    Probably not. The existing cast aren’t going to hang around for 2/4/6/10 years until GRRM finishes the books and HBO can resume production. They’ll have scattered to the wind and to other projects. This is what torpedoed attempts to resurrect DEADWOOD once the show had gone off the air. Also, HBO aren’t going to want to be in the position of having to either recast Maisie Williams or try to pass her off years younger than she actually is (and the rest of the child cast as well).

    I agree. For all we know WoW might already be done or nearly so. Think positive people!

    As of a few months ago, GRRM had about a quarter of the book done at best. I think expecting him to have suddenly done a lot more by now is very optimistic. Awesome if it happened (and there’s probably something in the fact that the best book in the series – ASoS – was written in the least amount of time), but its seems unlikely.

    He got the first 3 books out in 5 years, so as much as he and everyone likes to point out that he is a slow writer, he isnt

    Well, he didn’t write the first book instantly. He started writing it in 1991, five years before it came out, so he produced the first three books in NINE years (though possibly as much as two years of that time was taken up by trying to get DOORWAYS on air). He also had a lot of ACoK done when AGoT came out, and a lot of ASoS done when ACoK came out. The publication times for the first three books are not reflective of how fast he wrote them.

    The same was true of Robert Jordan: he was quite a way into writing Book 3 when Book 1 was published, and gradually lost his head start as the book publication dates caught up with him (as they did between Books 6 and 7).

    There’s no doubt that GRRM was faster back in the day, but he was never ‘fast’ in the Brandon Sanderson/Adrian Tchaikovsky way of being fast.

  248. Nick Holbrook
    Posted February 8, 2013 at 2:41 pm | Permalink

    Martin: We are not entitled to anything, let’s just hope for the best ok.ok.

    couldnt disagree more strongly.

    as someone who has bought 5 books in a series with the promise of more to come, then i can reasonably expect the author to actually finish the bl**dy series in a reasonable length of time.

    bottom line – I (and everyone else who have bought the books) has funded his lifestyle, in return he needs to contine (as promised) to finish the series.

  249. Phil Wain
    Posted February 8, 2013 at 3:20 pm | Permalink

    American Gods is by Neil Gaiman and, yes, it’s got gods in it.

  250. Shank
    Posted February 8, 2013 at 4:25 pm | Permalink

    bottom line – I (and everyone else who have bought the books) has funded his lifestyle, in return he needs to contine (as promised) to finish the series.

    *Sigh*. You’ve funded his lifestyle only because he happens to charge for the privilege of reading his bloody amazing books. Not to pick on you personally, because this attitude seems rife among Martin’s fans, but I genuinely don’t understand why this is so difficult. To you, the pleasures of the text outweigh the fairly insignificant sum you have to pay to access them, so what has he got to thank you for? In exchange for a few measly dollars, you’re getting weeks worth of entertainment from one of the best storytellers in the world. You’re making out on the deal! And how much money do you think he’s made from you personally, anyway? Enough to buy a teapot? Maybe? Does that really give you, or any other fan, warrant to be demanding and entitled enough to dictate the man’s schedule to him?

    As an artist, George R.R. Martin has precisely one job and one job only: to do his best. If that happens to take him a long time, then so be it. And regardless of how many royalty dollars we’ve thrown his way, it’s ungrateful in the extreme to relentlessly bully, browbeat, and badger the poor man until his vocation’s no longer any fun for him just because we have to wait a few years between installments. Personally, I’d rather wait ten years for a book Martin is happy with than three years for a book he rushed just to get you people off his back.

  251. Abrantes
    Posted February 8, 2013 at 4:58 pm | Permalink

    Shank,

    That fairly insignificant sum could’ve been dedicated to a different source of entertainment from another one of the world’s great storytellers (if GRRM can really be classified as such). Further, that sum you’re discussing doesn’t include the biggest investment of all – one’s time. Readers have every right to be upset or impatient, just as Martin has the right to dawdle ad infinitum. This isn’t a black-and-white deal where one side is right and the other is wrong.

    How is it ungrateful for fans to expect that an artist complete the work he promised to create? Now it’s the fans’ fault that Martin’s pace is sluggish and/or isn’t having fun because he’s a poor, fragile being who cannot take criticism? Spare me, please.

  252. Shank
    Posted February 8, 2013 at 5:26 pm | Permalink

    How is it ungrateful for fans to expect that an artist complete the work he promised to create? Now it’s the fans’ fault that Martin’s pace is sluggish and/or isn’t having fun because he’s a poor, fragile being who cannot take criticism? Spare me, please.

    No-one is saying it’s the fan’s fault that Martin is slow, but my point is that nobody has the right to demand he be fast. He’s not your bitch. If fast doesn’t come naturally to George R.R. Martin, if he prefers to take his time in order to do the best job he can, then that’s just life and we should all just grow up and accept it instead of stamping our little feet and throwing our sippy cups all over the floor just because the man has the unbridled temerity to refuse to work to our schedule!

    And incidentally, I don’t view time as much of an investment. If we weren’t enjoying ourselves reading the books, we’d be doing something else with our time. Again, as with money, we’re getting out more than we’re putting in (or, at least, we should be. And those people who aren’t probably aren’t grousing about The Winds of Winter being late anyway).

    I reiterate, Martin’s only (and I emphasise his one, absolute, undisputed, ONLY responsibility) is to write the best book he can. Everything else, including the fan’s petulant dispositions and tender, tender feelings, comes a very, very, microscopically distant second. And if the fans don’t like that they can go read something else, or sit down and try to write a bestseller of their own and see exactly how easy it is for them to churn out 900+ pages of gripping, crystalline prose populated by a cast of hundreds. Alternatively, if neither of those options appeal, they can always go fuck themselves.

    Honestly, if I were Martin, I’d have given up ASOIAF years ago. Better that than be bullied by a bunch of spoilt ingrates who’ve never written anything more significant than a forum post complaining about me, because life’s just far too short for that bullshit.

  253. Atreyu
    Posted February 8, 2013 at 6:40 pm | Permalink

    Shank,

    Shank,

    I might have suggested upthread that GRRM’s side projects have led to the delay in the release of the books. Your post has made me seen the light. Praise R’Hllor and pass the Wild Cards! I have searched deep into the scripture and found The Word. An apostle ran into GRRM at the recent convention in Chicago where the leading lights of the genre had gathered to bestow the Blessed Silver Phallus upon the most worthy (ADWD finished dead fucking last, by the way), he had this to say:

    “It looked exhausting. I felt a little sad for him, to be honest. I asked him how he found time for any writing, and he said this was why it took so long to get a book out.”

    HBO, you have not sinned. It is the fan’s fault! Lament and be full of shame, you standers in lines and beggars of signatures! Please, though, keep buying the merch. KTHNXBAI.

  254. Shank
    Posted February 8, 2013 at 6:52 pm | Permalink

    Like I said in my first post, I hope he never finishes it. Just to spite people like you.

  255. Atreyu
    Posted February 8, 2013 at 7:04 pm | Permalink

    Shank,

    I’ve been dancing on the grave of ASOIAF for some time now. I feel no spite. Only love and a wish for blissful happiness for all those involved. Everyone must find their own way. Some take the hard path. Peace be with you, brother.

  256. Anna Krakina
    Posted February 9, 2013 at 6:33 am | Permalink

    Shank: *Sigh*. You’ve funded his lifestyle only because he happens to charge for the privilege of reading his bloody amazing books…um you have to pay to access them, so what has he got to thank you for? In exchange for a few measly dollars, you’re getting weeks worth of entertainment from one of the best storytellers in the world.You’re making out on the deal!

    As an artist, George R.R. Martin has precisely one job and one job only:to do his best.If that happens to take him a long time, then so be it.And regardless of how many royalty dollars we’ve thrown his way, it’s ungrateful in the extreme to relentlessly bully, browbeat, and badger the poor man until his vocation’s no longer any fun for him just because we have to wait a few years between installments.Personally, I’d rather wait ten years for a book Martin is happy with than three years for a book he rushed just to get you people off his back.

    George, you should express with your own voice and not hiding behind this kind of fake fan’s hystarical and mean attitude…
    LIsten listen listen… Shank you’re real? I mean real ?
    Fans like us, disappointed and sad of not reading this fucking bloody storyline bought him much more tant a teapot, you’re rude , having a large audience is a privilege for a writer, especially when editing is in a messy situation all over the world…
    And we’re not your bitches either…

  257. Coltaine777
    Posted February 9, 2013 at 11:52 am | Permalink

    Adam Whitehead,

    6 books ?..what a pleasant surprise..

  258. YvyB
    Posted February 9, 2013 at 6:35 pm | Permalink

    Shank,

    Oi Shanks ! Pack it in ! No need … simply no need at all.

  259. andrea
    Posted February 9, 2013 at 6:39 pm | Permalink

    why are you still here Shank? You should try to get out of that loop of yours. Could be confusing. It always ends when you bite your own tail.

  260. Rygar
    Posted February 9, 2013 at 7:15 pm | Permalink

    Shank,

    And the perfect Euron Greyjoy is…Jason Isaacs.

  261. Cary Storm
    Posted February 9, 2013 at 7:27 pm | Permalink

    Rygar,

    Arthur Darvill for Justin Massey. There. It’s been said.

  262. Rygar
    Posted February 9, 2013 at 7:33 pm | Permalink

    OldCastro,

    Please be the voice of reason. Isn’t Jason Isaacs the PERFECT Euron? I mean look at his facial structure! It screams Greyjoy!

  263. andrea
    Posted February 9, 2013 at 7:47 pm | Permalink

    Truth is you already bit your own tail Shank, so I wonder why are you still here.

  264. Ours is the Fury
    Posted February 9, 2013 at 7:56 pm | Permalink

    That’s enough. No name-calling or personal attacks here.

  265. Nezzer
    Posted February 9, 2013 at 11:48 pm | Permalink

    GRRM has just confirmed in his Not a Blog that they are not doing Robert’s Rebellion as a separate series, but they are discussing doing Dunk & Egg (which I now think is very likely to happen):

    “Tuf would be fun. Dunk and Egg are being discussed. Robert’s Rebellion is part of Ice & Fire, won’t be a separate series. Sandkings was done by the OUTER LIMITS; I retain feature film rights, but television rights are gone.

    I, CLAVDIVS? Heh, not likely. And talk about a suicide mission. I mean, I’ll watch, but how do you match one of the greatest TV series ever made? That’s the television equivilent of remaking GONE WITH THE WIND or CITIZEN KANE. No, thanks.”

    http://grrm.livejournal.com/311788.html#comments

  266. Mosh Zimmer
    Posted February 12, 2013 at 12:49 pm | Permalink

    Adam Whitehead,

    Your page-count is a misquote – one of those inaccurate paraphrases from GRRM’s interview in Barcelona, which spiffs up his words and make them sound more positive. GRRM never said his couple of hundred pages were “finalized” but merely “in a more or less finished state” (which sounds not quite final). This evidently refers to about 8-10 chapters that were bumped from ADWD in 2010 and 2011.

    “I already have [a couple of?] hundred pages in a more-or-less finished state of book 6 – which is called the Winds of Winter. I probably have an equal amount of that is written, but in a very first draft crude form that’s going to need alot of work & revision before it’s ready for publication.”

    The “very first draft crude” stuff is probably stuff left over from years ago, when he tried to jump over the 5-year gap (which is why it now needs alot of revision). There is no indication that any of it is new writing.

    He has never indicated he has 200 pages of new material. He has reported no progress at all. The most he has said is that he “is working” in Winds. I will believe he has made progress when he actually reports progress.

  267. Adam Whitehead
    Posted February 12, 2013 at 1:49 pm | Permalink

    Mosh Zimmer,

    You’re not up to date. He confirmed he has 400 pages in total for TWoW (an improvement on the 200 pages left over from ADWD) in an interview in October 2012:

    http://www.adriasnews.com/2012/10/george-r-r-martin-interview.html?spref=tw

  268. Mosh Zimmer
    Posted February 12, 2013 at 2:20 pm | Permalink

    Adam Whitehead,

    That is not a “confirmation”. That is the SAME INTERVIEW (July 2012, in Aviles, Spain) – re-arranged and inaccurately reworded and paraphrased by Adria. Adria’s own private interview with GRRM (probably brief) is supplemented with material from three press interviews conducted in Spain at around that time (the one at Aviles, Spain, from which this quote is taken, and IIRC 2 more in Barcelona). Check out the comments … he eventually admits this when challenged.

    Similarly, George never predicted completion in 2014. That is merely this source (and other sources) twisting GRRM’s words from the Spanish interview.

    Last I checked, you could find the original audio for all 3 interviews on the WESTEROS website.

    In any event, I was not taking issue with the supposed 400 page total (though IMHO the “couple of” that precedes the “hundred” is inaudible), but with your claim that it represents new writing.

  269. Mosh Zimmer
    Posted February 12, 2013 at 2:45 pm | Permalink

    Here, side by side, is Adria’s paraphrase from the Celsius 232 press conference, followed by a transcript of the actual words:

    ADRIA’S PARAPHRASE: I’ve already written 400 pages of my sixth book. However, of these 400 pages, only 200 are really finished because I still have to revise the other 200 pages, which are in a rough version and I still have to work on them a lot. But you have to keep in mind that the last book, Dance with Dragons, was 1.500 pages long and this one will be more or less the same extension, so I have a lot of work. I hope after this tour I can go back home in order to write as a possessed man. But the sixth volume won’t be released in 2012 or in 2013. I really look forward to publishing it in 2014, but I am really bad for predictions, you may know it. And then, there is another fact: when I finish this saga I will be judged for the quality of the books, not for the speed of my writing.”

    ACCURATE TRANSCRIPTION: I already have [about a?/a couple of?] hundred pages in a more-or-less finished state of book 6 – which is called the Winds of Winter. I probably have an equal amount of that is written, but in a very first draft crude form that’s going to need a lot of work and revision before it’s ready for publication. That being said, these are very large books – the last one was 1500 pages long in manuscript, so, I have hundreds, hundreds [more?] pages to write. And hopefully when I get back from all this traveling [and be a little fun?] when I get to it; but it’s still going to take a few years. The book is not going to be out – or delivered – this year, or perhaps even next year. The year after that? That would be my hope. But I’ve wanted to be very wary of making predictions, because I’m not very good at forecasting how long its going to take me to [???] these books. Ultimately, I’m going to be judged by the quality of the series when its done; not by how quickly I delivered it or whether I met all my deadlines [or?/for?] publication dates, so in that sense this is my literary [legacy?]; and I’m making sure I do it to the best of my capability.

  270. Adam Whitehead
    Posted February 13, 2013 at 4:00 pm | Permalink

    Okay, that’s interesting. I was unaware of the controversy over the translation. Thanks for the heads-up.

    As of right now then, we have no information on the book’s progress.

  271. Mosh Zimmer
    Posted February 18, 2013 at 1:06 am | Permalink

    Yes, and no news tends to be bad news. I would expect there will not be significant progress on tWoW until he finishes the other fiction-writing projects he has committed to. He just finished his novella for DANGEROUS WOMEN, and still has to finish his contributions to the WORLD book (some vague but substantial progress has been reported), and the MULTIVERSE anthology (no progress has been reported).

    His novella for DANGEROUS WOMEN (not Dunk & Egg – that’s on the back burner indefinitely) is apparently about 110 manuscript pages or more. If, by May of this year, he has finished both his contributions to the “World” book, and his Van Rijn story, then we may, by adding them all together, have a rough page count with which to calculate his “manuscript pages per year” fiction output over the last 2 years. Then, perhaps, we can make allowances for the book tour, and hope for somewhat greater progress per year over the years to come.

    I cannot calculate how his other projects (including the subject of this thread) factor into the above so I won’t even try. It is not for me to say that he could churn out more pages of fiction if he did less of other things. But if his fiction-output is now down to 50-100 manuscript pages per year, then hopes for completion of the series are dim indeed.

  272. motherof2dragons
    Posted March 14, 2013 at 11:42 pm | Permalink

    As I sit and depress myself of the potential consequences, I remind myself:
    GRRM made specific points in the post notes of the last 2 novels.. the last being “a bitch and a bastard”
    Reading between the lines, ASOIAF is his greatest .
    joy and masterpiece and also his biggist nightmare.
    Simply imagining his “war room”/his place to write and create gives me chills. He must have charts and diagrams and sigils tacked in a beautiful display of chaos. He is on a creative level most of us can’t begin to fathom. I imagine him going borderline mad while writing. His books are remarkably flawless,
    considering the enormous content.
    At the end of the day, as fans we are conflicted, just as he is. Keep the faith and trust he will jump back in when he’s ready.

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  1. [...] According to theMountainGoat, HBO does not have the rights to the Tales of Dunk & Egg, so this discussion is likely over purchasing the adaptation rights. In other words, these discussions are very preliminary. Don’t expect to see Ser Duncan and Aegon rampaging about Westeros on your TV screens next year. Still, this is a very important first step! [...]

  2. [...] with IGN, George R.R. Martin discusses the potential new shows he’s pitching as part of his development deal with HBO, and reveals that a Dunk & Egg series is still a possibility. Martin confirms he is [...]


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