HBO release confirms season 3 premiere title and synopsis
By Winter Is Coming on in Marketing, Press.

3-31-13

HBO has sent out a press release officially announcing the Season 3 premiere of Game of Thrones and within the release they include the title and synopsis of the premiere episode, “Valar Dohaeris”. The synopsis and title had both leaked some time ago. They also give an update on where things stand as of season 3 and a list of the returning and new cast members. Head past the break to read the full release.

Winter Is Coming: The list of confirmed cast includes some names I didn’t think they would want to confirm. They also finally confirmed Noah Taylor as Locke, something we first reported a few months back. And yet, Burn Gorman’s involvement in the show and the character he plays is still shrouded in mystery…

EMMY®- AND GOLDEN GLOBE-WINNING HBO SERIES

GAME OF THRONES RETURNS FOR THIRD SEASON MARCH 31

 

As Blackwater Bay cools, the victors consolidate their power and rebuild King’s Landing. But new challengers for the Iron Throne rise from the most unexpected places. Characters old and new must navigate the demands of family, honor, ambition, love and – above all – survival, as the Westeros civil war rages into autumn.

Based on the bestselling fantasy book series by George R.R. Martin, GAME OF THRONES is an epic story of treachery and nobility set on the continent of Westeros, where summers and winters can last years, and only the lust for power is eternal. The Emmy®- and Golden Globe-winning series returns for its ten-episode third season SUNDAY, MARCH 31 (9:00-10:00 p.m. ET/PT), exclusively on HBO, followed by other episodes on subsequent Sundays at the same time.

As season three begins, the Lannisters hold absolute dominion over King’s Landing after repelling Stannis Baratheon’s forces. Yet Robb Stark, King in the North, still controls much of the South as well, and has yet to lose a battle. In the Far North, Mance Rayder has united the wildlings into the largest army Westeros has ever seen. Only the Night’s Watch stands between him and the Seven Kingdoms, but nobody knows what happened to its Lord Commander and the force he led beyond the Wall.

Across the Narrow Sea, Daenerys Targaryen – reunited with her three growing dragons – ventures into Slaver’s Bay in search of ships to take her home and allies to conquer it.

Returning series regulars on GAME OF THRONES this season include: Emmy® and Golden Globe winner Peter Dinklage (Tyrion Lannister), Michelle Fairley (Catelyn Stark), Lena Headey (Cersei Lannister), Emilia Clarke (Daenerys Targaryen), Nikolaj Coster-Waldau (Jaime Lannister), Aidan Gillen (Petyr “Littlefinger” Baelish), Iain Glen (Jorah Mormont), Kit Harington (Jon Snow), Richard Madden (Robb Stark), Charles Dance (Tywin Lannister), Maisie Williams (Arya Stark), Isaac Hempstead Wright (Bran Stark), Sophie Turner (Sansa Stark) and Jack Gleeson (Joffrey Baratheon).

Additional returning series regulars this season include: Alfie Allen (Theon Greyjoy), Jerome Flynn (Bronn), Rory McCann (Sandor “The Hound” Clegane), Conleth Hill (Varys), John Bradley (Samwell Tarly), Gwendoline Christie (Brienne of Tarth), James Cosmo (Commander Jeor Mormont), Stephen Dillane (Stannis Baratheon), Carice van Houten (Melisandre), Liam Cunningham (Davos Seaworth), Sibel Kekilli (Shae), Rose Leslie (Ygritte) and Natalie Dormer (Margaery Tyrell).

Returning recurring cast members on GAME OF THRONES this season include: Natalia Tena (Osha), Joe Dempsie (Gendry), Oona Chaplin (Talisa Maegyr Stark), Julian Glover (Maester Pycelle), Kristian Nairn (Hodor), Finn Jones (Loras Tyrell), Esmé Bianco (Ros), Gemma Whelen (Yara Greyjoy), Hannah Murray (Gilly) and Art Parkinson (Rickon Stark).

New cast members for the third season include: Ciarán Hinds (Mance Rayder), Diana Rigg (Lady Olenna Tyrell), Mackenzie Crook (Orell), Clive Russell (Brynden “The Blackfish” Tully), Nathalie Emannuel (Missandei), Kerry Ingram (Shireen Baratheon), Paul Kaye (Thoros of Myr), Thomas Brodie-Sangster (Jojen Reed), Ellie Kendrick (Meera Reed), Richard Dormer (Beric Dondarrion), Kristofer Hivju (Tormund Giantsbane), Philip McGinley (Anguy), Tara Fitzgerald (Selyse Baratheon), Tobias Menzies (Edmure Tully), Anton Lesser (Qyburn), Ian McElhinney (Barristan Selmy), Michael McElhatton (Roose Bolton) and Noah Taylor (Locke).

 

March’s episode:

            Episode #21: “Valar Dohaeris”

Debut: SUNDAY, MARCH 31 (9:00-10:00 p.m. ET/PT)

Other HBO playdates: March 31 (10:00 p.m., 11:00 p.m.) and April 1 (11:15 p.m.), 2 (11:00 p.m.), 3 (10:00 p.m.), 4 (10:00 p.m.) and 6 (10:15 p.m.)

HBO2 playdates: April 1 (9:00 p.m.), 4 (11:00 p.m.), 5 (midnight), 7 (1:40 p.m.) and 19 (10:00 p.m.)

Jon is brought before Mance Rayder, the King Beyond the Wall, while the Night’s Watch survivors retreat south. In King’s Landing, Tyrion asks for his reward. Littlefinger offers Sansa a way out. Cersei hosts a dinner for the royal family. Daenerys sails into Slaver’s Bay.

Written for television by David Benioff & D.B. Weiss; directed by Daniel Minahan.

 

Among the critical praise for the second season of GAME OF THRONES, Newsday called it “the best show on television,” while the Los Angeles Times termed the series “a cinematic feast” and “masterful.” The Wall Street Journal hailed the show as “magnificent” andUSA Today called it “near perfection.”

In Sept. 2012, GAME OF THRONES received six Emmys®, tied for the most of any program, including Outstanding Art Direction for a Single-Camera Series (tied with HBO’s “Boardwalk Empire”), Outstanding Costumes for a Series, Outstanding Makeup for a Single-Camera Series (Non-Prosthetic), Outstanding Sound Editing for a Series, Outstanding Sound Mixing for a Comedy or Drama Series (One Hour) and Outstanding Special Visual Effects.

In Sept. 2011, the show received two Emmys®, for Outstanding Main Title Design and Outstanding Supporting Actor in a Drama Series for Peter Dinklage, who also received a Golden Globe for Best Performance by an Actor in a Supporting Role in a Series, Mini-Series or Motion Picture Made for Television.

For more on the series, visit facebook.com/GameOfThrones and twitter.com @GameOfThrones #GameOfThrones.

The executive producers of GAME OF THRONES are David Benioff, D.B. Weiss, Carolyn Strauss, Frank Doelger, Bernadette Caulfield; co-executive producers, Guymon Casady, Vince Gerardis, George R.R. Martin, Vanessa Taylor; produced by Chris Newman, Greg Spence.


139 Comments

  1. Kosis
    Posted March 12, 2013 at 1:14 pm | Permalink

    Tyrion asking for Casterly Rock?

  2. Watson
    Posted March 12, 2013 at 1:15 pm | Permalink

    Sounds about right. Though I’d guess we’ll be seeing a decent amount of Arya.

  3. A Secret Baratheon
    Posted March 12, 2013 at 1:18 pm | Permalink

    Interesting that they’re listing Alfie and straight up identifying Barristan Selmy…

  4. James Williams
    Posted March 12, 2013 at 1:19 pm | Permalink

    Interesting that they include Michael McElhatton, and Ian McElhinney in “new” characters when they aren’t…

  5. MockingTheFlayedLion
    Posted March 12, 2013 at 1:21 pm | Permalink

    Michael McElhatton (Roose Bolton) is listed under new cast members. Poor guy, even HBO forgot that he was in a couple of scenes. Same with Ian McElhinney (Barristan Selmy)

    Edit:
    James Williams,
    You beat me to it

  6. blatz
    Posted March 12, 2013 at 1:22 pm | Permalink

    Geeez….the wait is getting harder….

  7. Azazelus
    Posted March 12, 2013 at 1:23 pm | Permalink

    No mention of the bastard of Bolton?

    Man, they must really be trying to keep that one under tight wraps.

    Also, Barristan Selmy and Roose Bolton aren’t really new characters to the series.

  8. The Greatsteve
    Posted March 12, 2013 at 1:24 pm | Permalink

    So much for Arstan, eh?

  9. Kevin
    Posted March 12, 2013 at 1:27 pm | Permalink

    why are Barristan and Roose listed as new characters?

  10. Valdred Dethstorm
    Posted March 12, 2013 at 1:29 pm | Permalink

    “Talisa Maegyr Stark”

    I just can’t get over how silly that name sounds. Oh well.
    Cannot wait for the premiere.

  11. juego de tronos
    Posted March 12, 2013 at 1:30 pm | Permalink

    Ramsay Nieve won’t be in this third season?

  12. Lord of Castamere
    Posted March 12, 2013 at 1:30 pm | Permalink

    I hope they will make Ciarán Hinds ( Mance Rayder ) and Diana Rigg ( Lady Olenna Tyrell ) as Series Regular too !

    Nice to know Gwendoline Christie and Rose Leslie are part of the Regular Cast !

    I can ‘ t wait any longer !

  13. Drunken Fool
    Posted March 12, 2013 at 1:33 pm | Permalink

    I just can’t imagine he won’t be returning, but has anyone confirmed that David Bradley is returning as Walder Frey?

  14. Joan Català
    Posted March 12, 2013 at 1:35 pm | Permalink

    Kosis,

    Hope so. It was an amazing piece of dialogue in the books.

  15. Omar Brown
    Posted March 12, 2013 at 1:36 pm | Permalink

    HNGGGGG!! Cant wait any longer!

  16. Mark Thompson
    Posted March 12, 2013 at 1:36 pm | Permalink

    No mention of David Bradley. Or can I not see his name in that list?

  17. Sandsnake
    Posted March 12, 2013 at 1:38 pm | Permalink

    Mark Thompson,

    Bradley will be returning as Walder. It was confirmed on here that he was spotted on set filming. Great news too as he was perfect for the role.

  18. Stephen
    Posted March 12, 2013 at 1:43 pm | Permalink

    There are dozens and dozens of recurring characters and they could only list a few. Regardless of whether we have on-set confirmations, I can guarantee you Walder Frey will be back.

  19. Freyan
    Posted March 12, 2013 at 1:44 pm | Permalink

    A Secret Baratheon,

    I guess it’s harder to keep the identity of a chatacter hidden in a tv show as opposed to a book, where all we depend on is someone else’s description.

  20. Drunken Fool
    Posted March 12, 2013 at 1:44 pm | Permalink

    Sandsnake,

    Thank you, he was a creepy enough character that people would remember him from Season 1, recasting would have been very difficult.

  21. Nick_Scryer
    Posted March 12, 2013 at 1:45 pm | Permalink

    I don’t see Patrick Malahide. Maybe Balon’s death is pushed back to S4?

    Interesting that there’s no “Boy” and Arstan is Barristan Selmy.

  22. Yep
    Posted March 12, 2013 at 1:46 pm | Permalink

    Oh, and Ros is returning too… I hope it’s just for episode 1…
    I hope they make team Stannis regulars next season!

    Freyan:
    A Secret Baratheon,

    I guess it’s harder to keep the identity of a chatacter hidden in a tv show as opposed to a book, where all we depend on is someone else’s description.

    Kind of agree with you. Dany was our view point, she didn’t know him. But we’re looking ourselves at the tv show so he would have to be really well disguised for us to not recognize him!

  23. SerKenjiGerrard
    Posted March 12, 2013 at 1:48 pm | Permalink

    I’m surprised they listed Ser Barristan… I’m disappointed actually… I was hoping they’d keep it under wraps to surprise viewers same way we readers were… But there are only 19 days left, I’m too excited to let that bother me too much……

  24. Grone239
    Posted March 12, 2013 at 1:50 pm | Permalink

    Where’s Rickon? I guess he isn’t in this season.

  25. NewJeffCT
    Posted March 12, 2013 at 1:51 pm | Permalink

    Kosis: Tyrion asking for Casterly Rock?

    I think Tyrion is going to ask for Roz as his reward instead.

  26. Sandsnake
    Posted March 12, 2013 at 1:52 pm | Permalink

    Drunken Fool,

    His young wife that he had with him in Season 1 has also been confirmed as returning this season too so I would expect that the creep factor will be back in full effect when he is on screen!

  27. NewJeffCT
    Posted March 12, 2013 at 1:53 pm | Permalink

    Yep: Oh, and Ros is returning too… I hope it’s just for episode 1…I hope they make team Stannis regulars next season!Kind of agree with you. Dany was our view point, she didn’t know him. But we’re looking ourselves at the tv show so he would have to be really well disguised for us to not recognize him!

    I think that’s the same reason why they couldn’t go all-out with the House of the Undying as well. In a book, it’s murky/hard to tell. On TV, it would have been much easier, and likely ruined some of the big surprises.

  28. Yvonne
    Posted March 12, 2013 at 1:55 pm | Permalink

    They are really hiding a certain character. A certain important character. The IMDb for Iwan Rheon mentions it, but he’s not listed here.

    That just creeps me out more.

    Yay!

  29. Winter Is Coming
    Posted March 12, 2013 at 2:02 pm | Permalink

    Folks, don’t take this cast listing as definitive and exhaustive. Obviously there are quite a few cast members missing for various reasons. That doesn’t mean they won’t be appearing in this season. The list is interesting for its inclusions, not its exclusions.

    Also, can we stop with the Ros hate? It is so, so tired at this point.

  30. Arthur
    Posted March 12, 2013 at 2:03 pm | Permalink

    Totally Off Topic:

    Okay you all know I can’t wait for GoT to come out and think GoT is the best and only true epic series out there.

    However, if you like GoT and have ‘The History Channel’ you will love their new series called “Vikings”. So far you only missed 2 episodes check it out on demand…

    I have a huge hunch that a few of these actors will end up in GoT because they totally look like warriors. Maybe one can be Victarion or Euron Greyjoy… Check it out!

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XQFQN3-Pm8E

  31. Sandsnake
    Posted March 12, 2013 at 2:06 pm | Permalink

    Winter Is Coming:
    Also, can we stop with the Ros hate? It is so, so tired at this point.

    Agreed 100%

  32. Solar
    Posted March 12, 2013 at 2:09 pm | Permalink

    SerKenjiGerrard,

    most people who only watch the show don’t follow the updates or press announcements as closely as we do so it will still be a surprise.

  33. Johnny3toes
    Posted March 12, 2013 at 2:15 pm | Permalink

    No mention of The Mountain that rides in there either. Maybe Conan will be back then

  34. Death Machine Miyagi
    Posted March 12, 2013 at 2:16 pm | Permalink

    So the Ser Dontos and Sansa/Florian and Jonquil plotline has been dropped? Or at least I’m not seeing Ser Dontos in the cast. I’m curious how they’ll arrange to get Sansa out of King’s Landing now while simultaneously killing off the last vestiges of her romantic notions about knights and chivalry. I thought that plotline worked very well in the books for how it killed two birds with one stone.

  35. The Anchoress
    Posted March 12, 2013 at 2:20 pm | Permalink

    Death Machine Miyagi,

    Yeah, I think they’ll probably drop that. There are enough regulars for Sansa to interact with (including, seven save us, Ros) already in King’s Landing, that plotline will be trimmed and other characters used to further it. Show!Sansa seems very, very disillusioned already, too.

  36. Suzaku
    Posted March 12, 2013 at 2:21 pm | Permalink

    James Williams:
    Interesting that they include Michael McElhatton, and Ian McElhinney in “new” characters when they aren’t…

    They include them as new cast members. Michael and Ian were both credited as guest stars in their appearances in the first two seasons. They’re now credited as series regulars.

  37. Drunken Fool
    Posted March 12, 2013 at 2:24 pm | Permalink

    Winter Is Coming,

    I hear what you’re saying, I was just asking because on all of the casting updates throughout this past year I don’t remember any casting details regarding Bradley and I thought he nailed the part and would be sad to see him recast.

    P.S. Thank you for all the hard work with this website, the whole team at WIC is awesome and has kept my appetite for GOT news sated!

  38. Nick_Scryer
    Posted March 12, 2013 at 2:25 pm | Permalink

    Forgot to mention, I know this show has a lot of characters but seeing them all in writing is mind blowingly awesome! HBO For the win!

  39. Suzaku
    Posted March 12, 2013 at 2:26 pm | Permalink

    Tony Way (Ser Dontos) may also be guest starring, as was the case season 2. They gave him enough screen time in season 2 that I doubt the subplot will be removed, however he’s still a minor enough character that I he probably doesn’t need to be listed with the main cast.

  40. The Flayed Man
    Posted March 12, 2013 at 2:27 pm | Permalink

    Suzaku,

    Thanks for clearing that up, I’m definitely looking forward to seeing as much of Roose as possible.

    Plus, I love your avatar, that’s the fan art of Jaqen, right?

  41. GreatJon of Slumber
    Posted March 12, 2013 at 2:34 pm | Permalink

    Winter Is Coming:

    Also, can we stop with the Ros hate? It is so, so tired at this point.

    Co-sign. She’s a good actress and plays her part well. Seriously, how many lines did she even have last season? It’s enough already, we’re not talking Sofia Coppola in Godfather Part III here.

    Meanwhile, there are a lot of people in the cast that we won’t see mentioned in this release, and who knows, they may STILL introduce Barristan as Arstan Whitebeard, too. Honestly, this HBO release is mainly useful as a way to troll posters on this board to get them all worried about “Bliz-Blaz and Him-Ham,” as C. Montgomery Burns would have put it. Everyone’s just a little impatient, so let’s all chill and remember three things:

    1. The show is back in 19 days.
    2. It’s going to be awesome.
    3. All of our favorites are going to be there in spades. (Ok, not Strong Belwas, but let it go.)

  42. BlackTalon
    Posted March 12, 2013 at 2:40 pm | Permalink

    WTH, no Strong Belwas??? Has this been confirmed?

  43. Tyrion Pimpslap
    Posted March 12, 2013 at 2:45 pm | Permalink

    BlackTalon,

    He is not in season 3. I don’t know how the show will survive without this pivotal character.

  44. mariamb18
    Posted March 12, 2013 at 2:45 pm | Permalink

    Winter Is Coming

    Also, can we stop with the Ros hate? It is so, so tired at this point.

    Thanks for saying it.

    Very strange indeed about the lack of mention of Burn Gorman’s character. Why so secretive?

    Grone239:
    Where’s Rickon? I guess he isn’t in this season.

    Art Parkinson is listed among the “Returning recurring cast members”…last name on the list.

  45. GG
    Posted March 12, 2013 at 2:49 pm | Permalink

    STILL no confirmation for Ramsay? WTF!?!

  46. Gatehouse Ami
    Posted March 12, 2013 at 2:51 pm | Permalink

    Hope I quoth this correctly:

    GreatJon of Slumber: 1. The show is back in 19 days.
    2. It’s going to be awesome.
    3. All of our favorites are going to be there in spades. (Ok, not Strong Belwas, but let it go.)

    Yes!

    And… Coldhands is coming?

  47. Timdorion
    Posted March 12, 2013 at 2:51 pm | Permalink

    Yes, they are mentioning several actors that should have been kept a secret. But how many regular non-book-reading viewers will directly read this message with all the names on it and thus be spoiled in a way ? It’s a press release, aimed at magazines and websites that write about upcoming tv shows. And those will mostly use the synopsis of the story in the first seasons, most won’t bother with publicizing the full (boring) list of actors involved. I think that complete list was added for legal reasons, because the actors (and their agents) need to have their contractual status confirmed. You can not just use some names of the regular cast and leave out others. It probably took a special contract to leave our ‘boy’ out already.

  48. GreatJon of Slumber
    Posted March 12, 2013 at 2:56 pm | Permalink

    BlackTalon:
    WTH, no Strong Belwas??? Has this been confirmed?

    That kind of missed the point of my post….

  49. Matt
    Posted March 12, 2013 at 3:01 pm | Permalink

    Still no mention of Kevan Lannister!

  50. zod
    Posted March 12, 2013 at 3:02 pm | Permalink

    mariamb18: Very strange indeed about the lack of mention of Burn Gorman’s character. Why so secretive?

    Cause he plays Coldhands. ;P

  51. ACVG
    Posted March 12, 2013 at 3:06 pm | Permalink

    i still cant believe they cut out irri and doreah … oh well
    very off topic but i just realized that they didnt change missandei’s name and it sounds very much like melisandre,
    but they changed asha last year, oh well
    maybe since there doesnt seem to be a strong belwas, maybe daario will provide some more dynamic to essos plot
    (daario’s not even listed!) whoa there are so many characters, im soo grateful to hbo for remaining so faithful to the source, this is so rich

  52. Adrian
    Posted March 12, 2013 at 3:12 pm | Permalink

    When was it decided that if you don’t like an aspect of this show you’re no longer allowed to discuss it?

    It’s a great show. Not perfect. Yet now a criticism of easily one of the worst, most pointless deviations from the books/additions to the show is “tired.” Ros is an awful, awful character whose purpose has seemed thus far to be eating up screentime from characters that are actually the least bit compelling or interesting.

    I would stake my life on the notion that no one ever saw a Ros scene and was like “Alright, she’s back! So stoked!”

    I would also stake my life that someone will lie and say that yes, they have done just that.

    What else are we no longer permitted to criticize or dicuss on this “discussion” so I know for the future?

  53. Grone239
    Posted March 12, 2013 at 3:12 pm | Permalink

    “Art Parkinson is listed among the “Returning recurring cast members”…last name on the list.”

    Didn’t see him there, I was beginning to think he was forgotten by George and HBO, the poor angry hurt kid.
    Heaven help the Kingdoms when he grows up!

  54. Tyrion Pimpslap
    Posted March 12, 2013 at 3:15 pm | Permalink

    ACVG,

    I think Asha was changed because Osha was directly involved in Theon’s storyline too. Melisandre and Missandei are in two separate storylines. Plus, Osha and Asha are almost identical, and could even be pronounced the same. MISSandei and MELisandre are more easily distinguishable.

  55. Arkash
    Posted March 12, 2013 at 3:19 pm | Permalink

    So… no Arstan… I wonder if they’ll have Barristan show up his real identity straight ahead and how that will play out !

    Roose bolton becoming a regular character…

    Theon confirmed…

  56. Ours is the Fury
    Posted March 12, 2013 at 3:19 pm | Permalink

    Not sure why anyone’s surprised they left Iwan Rheon out of the cast listing. They’ve gone to a lot of trouble to hide his character; why on earth would they list it in a press release? It makes total sense that they won’t list him in the credits until he appears, and it would just be his name, not the character’s name anyway.
    Imdb is irrelevant- it’s fan-updated.

    And where it says “new cast members” that’s usually meant to indicate a bump up in standing, not that they are 100% new to the show. McElhatton was only in four episodes before, and McElhinney was gone for a whole season. Listing in credits has a lot more to do with your agency’s negotiations than it has to do with anything else.

  57. King Tommen
    Posted March 12, 2013 at 3:23 pm | Permalink

    To clarify a few posts I’ve seen here:

    On a television show, there are regular cast members (who appear in the vast majority of the episodes in the given season), recurring cast members (who will show up multiple times but typically on a much more sporadic basis), and there are guest stars (who appear in 1 episode or perhaps 2).

    It’s largely a contractual issue for the actors and would most likely impact how they are compensated as well as detail their overall commitment to the show (ie regular and recurring cast members can’t work on other projects that conflict with the shooting of this show but guest stars have more flexibility with their schedule should other projects arise for them).

    This press release is only listing the regular and recurring cast members for S3 and not mentioning the guest stars. So David Bradley (Walder Frey) and Iwan Rheon (Ramsay) are most likely set as guest stars for this season hence no mention of them. Patrick Malahide (Balon) could certainly fall under this category as well whereas Gemma Whelan (Yara) plays an ongoing and bigger role past this season and has already been solidified as a recurring character because of this. There were some fairly concrete indications on this site earlier this year that both Lysa Arryn and Robin Arryn shot some scenes also and I would imagine they would only be listed as guest stars as well because they will not be appearing in more than 1 or 2 episodes at the most this year.

    As has been mentioned, there are some characters that have taken on added importance this season and will now be bumped up to regular cast members this year from previous “guest star” or “recurring” roles. Michael McElhatton (Roose) and Ian McElhinney (Barristan) fit this criteria which is why they’re listed as “new” cast members.

    To answer the guy who mentioned Dontos, all reports seem to indicate that they originally planned for him to play a larger role in S2 but cut out almost all of his scenes for whatever reason (didn’t like his performance, changed their mind on the storyline etc). I highly doubt he’s back at all this season. My theory is that LF will be utilizing Ros in the role as his go-between to Sansa after he leaves King’s Landing to go to the Eyrie. There were set pictures released some time ago that show LF leading Ros down to a meeting with Sansa outside so that could be an indication of this.

  58. Handmaiden of Dany
    Posted March 12, 2013 at 3:25 pm | Permalink

    I am so excited! I have “Vikings” to look forward to on Sunday’s right now, but will be DVRing it when Game of Thrones airs.

    Just the synopsis are making me jump for joy!

  59. Tyrion Pimpslap
    Posted March 12, 2013 at 3:25 pm | Permalink

    Adrian,

    Yeah, well, you know, that’s just, like, your opinion, man. And you’re entitled to it. The actress is not bad and a few of her scenes have been important. She has basically replaced two characters from the books(Alayaya and Chataya). Every scene she has been in has not been her scenes, but rather Tyrion,Theon,Littlefinger,Varys, or Pycelle’s. She is a gateway to show non-POV characters. I am interested to see her as one of Varys’ ‘little birds’.

  60. Winter Is Coming
    Posted March 12, 2013 at 3:31 pm | Permalink

    Adrian:
    When was it decided that if you don’t like an aspect of this show you’re no longer allowed to discuss it?

    It’s a great show. Not perfect. Yet now a criticism of easily one of the worst, most pointless deviations from the books/additions to the show is “tired.” Ros is an awful, awful character whose purpose has seemed thus far to be eating up screentime from characters that are actually the least bit compelling or interesting.

    I would stake my life on the notion that no one ever saw a Ros scene and was like “Alright, she’s back! So stoked!”

    I would also stake my life that someone will lie and say that yes, they have done just that.

    What else are we no longer permitted to criticize or dicuss on this “discussion” so I know for the future?

    There is no discussion. Just off-hand comments about how annoying the character is any time she is brought up. Anyway, I’m not banning people or deleting comments about Ros, just saying that bringing up how much you hate her every time she is mentioned in a post is really trite.

  61. Handmaiden of Dany
    Posted March 12, 2013 at 3:35 pm | Permalink

    Adrian,

    You would be dead wrong in your assumptions. I think Esme is both talented and beautiful and I look forward to seeing her EVERY WEEK.

  62. Nerd
    Posted March 12, 2013 at 3:39 pm | Permalink

    Arthur,

    The Vikings is great! The Bible is better (so far, not sure about all that Jesus/New Testament stuff coming up). History is for sure trying to appeal to the GoT fan base.

    Did you notice in The Bible the actors who played Xaro and Yoren played Samson and Sol respectively?

  63. Elia
    Posted March 12, 2013 at 3:39 pm | Permalink

    Has the season tagline been announced yet?

  64. Mr sharpy knife
    Posted March 12, 2013 at 3:40 pm | Permalink

    “night’s watch survivors”? does that mean that the battle in the fist of the first men will happen off screen between seasons? :/

  65. King DBC
    Posted March 12, 2013 at 3:41 pm | Permalink

    “Love me or hate me, it’s still an obsession…” -Ros (if she reads these posts)

  66. Dumb GoT Doomsayer
    Posted March 12, 2013 at 3:43 pm | Permalink

    Where’s Robert Pugh as Craster? Mark Stanley as Grenn? Are D&D really dumb enough to sacrifice the levity that Ben Crompton as Dolorous Edd brings to the Night’s Watch? What about Luke McEwan as Rast? Wasn’t he shown in the trailer? For a show soooo, soooo “concerned” with budget, I’m finding it difficult to find any justification for using CGI (ala Ahnuld in Terminator: Salvation) to bring Rast back into the fold instead of just paying the actor. Too many mouths to feed, mayhaps?

    The more I think about it, the more I wish they’d not released material like this because it’s making me NOT want to watch the season. Had the season aired and I had no clue they were going to cut these characters and the profundity they bring to the story, HBO would have already duped me into paying for a subscription. Alas, at least I don’t need to waste my money. Thanks D&D for ruining my childhood.

  67. Mr sharpy knife
    Posted March 12, 2013 at 3:44 pm | Permalink

    Elia,

    probably “weddings are coming”

  68. GreatJon of Slumber
    Posted March 12, 2013 at 3:46 pm | Permalink

    Dumb GoT Doomsayer:
    Where’s Robert Pugh as Craster? Mark Stanley as Grenn? Are D&D really dumb enough to sacrifice the levity that Ben Crompton as Dolorous Edd brings to the Night’s Watch? What about Luke McEwan as Rast? Wasn’t he shown in the trailer? For a show soooo, soooo “concerned” with budget, I’m finding it difficult to find any justification for using CGI (ala Ahnuld in Terminator: Salvation) to bring Rast back into the fold instead of just paying the actor. Too many mouths to feed, mayhaps?

    The more I think about it, the more I wish they’d not released material like this because it’s making me NOT want to watch the season. Had the season aired and I had no clue they were going to cut these characters and the profundity they bring to the story, HBO would have already duped me into paying for a subscription. Alas, at least I don’t need to waste my money. Thanks D&D for ruining my childhood.

    Didn’t you hear? Everyone not listed is coming to your house to also rag on how ugly your clothes are and what not…

  69. Nick_Scryer
    Posted March 12, 2013 at 3:49 pm | Permalink

    Dumb GoT Doomsayer:
    Where’s Robert Pugh as Craster? Mark Stanley as Grenn? Are D&D really dumb enough to sacrifice the levity that Ben Crompton as Dolorous Edd brings to the Night’s Watch? What about Luke McEwan as Rast? Wasn’t he shown in the trailer? For a show soooo, soooo “concerned” with budget, I’m finding it difficult to find any justification for using CGI (ala Ahnuld in Terminator: Salvation) to bring Rast back into the fold instead of just paying the actor. Too many mouths to feed, mayhaps?

    The more I think about it, the more I wish they’d not released material like this because it’s making me NOT want to watch the season. Had the season aired and I had no clue they were going to cut these characters and the profundity they bring to the story, HBO would have already duped me into paying for a subscription. Alas, at least I don’t need to waste my money. Thanks D&D for ruining my childhood.

    Obvious troll is obvious.

  70. Virtus
    Posted March 12, 2013 at 3:50 pm | Permalink

    Mr sharpy knife,

    Wasn’t it already strongly implied in one of the making-ofs that it is included in the very beginning?

  71. Dumb GoT Doomsayer
    Posted March 12, 2013 at 3:52 pm | Permalink

    Mr sharpy knife,

    Yes, probably. A brilliant strategy. Probably got inspiration from The Sixth Sense‘s “Bruce Willis is Dead” campaign, or the “It was Mom” tagline from Friday the 13th. Better yet, “Incest is Coming” from the Oldboy poster.

  72. Nick_Scryer
    Posted March 12, 2013 at 3:55 pm | Permalink

    Will you be receiving screeners again this year WiC?

  73. zod
    Posted March 12, 2013 at 4:00 pm | Permalink

    Nick_Scryer,

    He isn’t a troll, he’s just being ironic. I mean, just look at his nickname.

  74. Handmaiden of Dany
    Posted March 12, 2013 at 4:00 pm | Permalink

    Dumb GoT Doomsayer,

    HAHAHA!! Good one! Love the your tag too :)

  75. Winter Is Coming
    Posted March 12, 2013 at 4:02 pm | Permalink

    Nick_Scryer:
    Will you be receiving screeners again this year WiC?

    Yup!

  76. Nick_Scryer
    Posted March 12, 2013 at 4:02 pm | Permalink

    zod:
    Nick_Scryer,

    He isn’t a troll, he’s just being ironic. I mean, just look at his nickname.

    I know, I just forgot my smiley faces :)

  77. zod
    Posted March 12, 2013 at 4:08 pm | Permalink

    Nick_Scryer,

    Haha, OK. ;-)

  78. KayOfLaihr
    Posted March 12, 2013 at 4:08 pm | Permalink

    well. i’m not sure who has written this, but it was clearly not made by someone whose purpose was to keep the mystery alive for the viewers. it’s so dry. and some mistakes have been made, as you’ve all already pointed out. we shouldn’t care too much about it, it doesn’t mean much.

  79. mags giantsbabe
    Posted March 12, 2013 at 4:09 pm | Permalink

    I’m still waiting for ser Alliser Thorne to show up at King’s Landing with that hand-or-no-hand-in-a-jar :D

    Either that or he’ll show up at the Wall again some time in the future saying how he had to turn back because it had disintegrated.

  80. Valyrian
    Posted March 12, 2013 at 4:14 pm | Permalink

    Dear fellow book-readers, even if HBO had bothered to list Arstan, by now non book readers would’ve been spoiled all the same by these comments saying right and left that Arstan is actually ser Barristan. PLEASE, spoiler tags are your friends.

  81. Dumb GoT Doomsayer
    Posted March 12, 2013 at 4:20 pm | Permalink

    Winter Is Coming,

    Details! Details! Do you know how many episodes you’ll be getting? When you’ll be getting them? Will you be posting a review?

  82. Winter Is Coming
    Posted March 12, 2013 at 4:27 pm | Permalink

    Dumb GoT Doomsayer:
    Winter Is Coming,

    Details! Details! Do you know how many episodes you’ll be getting? When you’ll be getting them? Will you be posting a review?

    No. No. Maybe. :)

  83. whiteladder1984
    Posted March 12, 2013 at 4:30 pm | Permalink

    A Secret Baratheon,

    They also list Liam Cunningham as Davos, when most non-book readers I know believe him to be dead.

  84. MUGger
    Posted March 12, 2013 at 4:30 pm | Permalink

    Winter Is Coming: Also, can we stop with the Ros hate? It is so, so tired at this point.

    I don’t hate Ros — she serves as a great placeholder or substitute for several other characters in the book, and she has been developed as a way to look in on Littlefinger’s activities from time to time.

    My guess is that Ros will have a new use this season — filling Ser Dontos’ role to keep Littlefinger’s fingers clean and perhaps suffering his fate at the end.

  85. Tom O' Sevens
    Posted March 12, 2013 at 4:32 pm | Permalink

    No Strong Belwas. No big deal there, he was really a filler character who isn’t important until atleast Mereen. Can’t wait for Ser Barristan to make his return!

  86. Drunken Fool
    Posted March 12, 2013 at 4:37 pm | Permalink

    Thoughts on Strong Belwas
    I think he is a great character and we will meet him next season, here is my guess as to how he will be introduced: When Dany has people sneak into Meereen, he will probably be the fighting slave with the most screen time/pledge his allegiance to her. There is just no need to introduce his character until Dany’s story gets to Meereen.

  87. sss
    Posted March 12, 2013 at 4:39 pm | Permalink

    Poor Michael McElhatton. They forget about him.

  88. Mike Chair
    Posted March 12, 2013 at 4:44 pm | Permalink

    Hey HBO, that’s Dame Diana Rigg, DBE.

    ASIDE: Charles Dance is an OBE, so he’s technically not a “Sir,” so I’ll just call him “Charlie F***ing Dance!” :END ASIDE

    <20 days.

  89. Strongboar
    Posted March 12, 2013 at 4:46 pm | Permalink

    Grone239,

    “and Art Parkinson (Rickon Stark)”

    You clod.

    OMG GHOST ISN’T MENTIONED I GUESS HE WON’T BE IN THIS SEASON.

  90. GreatJon of Slumber
    Posted March 12, 2013 at 5:20 pm | Permalink

    King Tommen,

    My theory is that LF will be utilizing Ros in the role as his go-between to Sansa after he leaves King’s Landing to go to the Eyrie. There were set pictures released some time ago that show LF leading Ros down to a meeting with Sansa outside so that could be an indication of this.

    Y’know what would be the ultimate, tragic culmination of such an idea? If Ros is the one who leads Sansa out by boat to Littlefinger’s ship, and gets an arrow in the chest for her trouble, with Littlefinger taunting her, the last words she hears being “I told you, I don’t like bad investments.”

  91. Jaime Saltcliffe
    Posted March 12, 2013 at 5:23 pm | Permalink

    What are the chances they only show us the aftermath of the slaughter at the Fist of the First Men?

    It could be interesting for the viewer if it is a mystery as to what happened to the Nights Watch when the White Walkers attacked and we only discover it when Sam finally reaches Craster’s Keep, BUT I WANTED SOME UN-DEAD ANIMAL-THINGS!

  92. Jaime Saltcliffe
    Posted March 12, 2013 at 5:25 pm | Permalink

    Also, any word on Ser Barristan ‘The Bold’ Selmy making his rightful appearance?

  93. tati
    Posted March 12, 2013 at 5:36 pm | Permalink

    Azazelus,
    I wonder if Burn Gorman is going to play the Bastard…

  94. Tyrion Pimpslap
    Posted March 12, 2013 at 5:42 pm | Permalink

    Jaime Saltcliffe,

    Did you not read the cast listings?

  95. MRR
    Posted March 12, 2013 at 5:44 pm | Permalink

    Nick_Scryer: Obvious troll is obvious.

    With a name like “Dumb GoT Doomsayer” I’d say it’s satire, not “trolling”.

  96. Arthur
    Posted March 12, 2013 at 5:47 pm | Permalink

    OMG, I got a new Bromance.

    Travis Fimmel….

    D&D got to bring him to GoT if possible.

    He is so badass!

    D&D should combine Victarion and Euron Greyjoy into one character and cast Travis Fimmel as him to represent the Viking-like Greyjoys. The guy is amazing and has that strong on screen presence.

    If you guys don’t know who he is, he is the lead (Ned Stark-like) character in the new series ‘Vikings’…

    Keep an open mind, he is built like a bodybuilder too…

    Here is an interview with him.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SsZwtcGIv7Y

  97. Mike Chair
    Posted March 12, 2013 at 5:52 pm | Permalink

    Jaime Saltcliffe,

    What Tyrion Pimpslap meant was, “Yes, of course he is!”

    See here:
    westeros.org
    and here:
    hypable.com

  98. MRR
    Posted March 12, 2013 at 5:52 pm | Permalink

    A couple of other thoughts:

    Regarding “Artsan”, any non-reader keen enough to read through a press release and pore over the list of actors would recognize the actor who played Barristan by name; giving him a different character’s name on something like this would only lead to more confusion. Listing him as Barristan isn’t really spoiling anything.

    Regarding Ros: It wouldn’t make any sense for her to die in Littlefinger’s plan when the S2 finale suggested that she’d be working for Varys now. It’s doubtful that they would have Littlefinger kill her off if she’s supposed to be doing something for Varys – unless Baelish finds out and does this as some form of punishment. Still, I doubt it.

    Also, I guess all the Ros-haters don’t think Theon needed any exposition at all in S1. I think some of you forget how much you know from the books, versus how much newcomers can learn from the changes made for the show. Her character has been a pretty effective way of exposing us us to a number of different perspectives on the show: an introduction to Tyrion, background for Theon, and some great exposition by Littlefinger. Even if you don’t particularly like her, I’d say she’s far from “useless”.

  99. Gatehouse Ami
    Posted March 12, 2013 at 6:05 pm | Permalink

    Could Ros also be the Gatehouse Ami character, meant for Lancel?! Damn. I like her, though.

  100. Lea
    Posted March 12, 2013 at 6:10 pm | Permalink

    What an effing huge cast! We should all be very thankful that they are able to include so many characters from the books. Bring on the Tyrells! Would be funny if the QOT was accompanied by extras portraying Left and Right. This press release also makes me excited for who the show will include from the Martells in future seasons.

  101. Zack
    Posted March 12, 2013 at 6:21 pm | Permalink

    It’s not Ros the character (and certainly not Esme) that deserves ire so much as the crappy situations they often put her in. She’s a scapegoat, a symbol of deeper problems. If she’s featured in scenes where she gets to do interesting things, and her appearance stops heralding token nudity for the episode, wonderful.

    I suppose it is not fair to let Littlefinger off the hook, because the Ros scene I hate the most is S1E7. So any time I talk about not liking that character, 90% of the reason is clunky writing.

    Several commenters have pointed out paths for the character to take that would get her away from the brothel and all that goes with it. I would approve.

  102. Scott Glennon
    Posted March 12, 2013 at 6:26 pm | Permalink

    The reactions here are getting weird. Are we all that anxious? I think we are, myself included. I agree that the Roz hate is getting old. However I feel about the character, I applaud Esme Bianco for stepping into that role. I am sure it hasn’t been easy, and she’s done it well. Part of me does want to see how Varys enlists her talents.
    My long view is this: We have a long way to go. A very long way. So…..try to relax and enjoy the ride! :-)

    For Winterfell!

  103. Mike Chair
    Posted March 12, 2013 at 6:37 pm | Permalink

    How can I so hate Ros, and still love Esmé as I do? <3 It's quite a poser.

  104. JamesL
    Posted March 12, 2013 at 7:10 pm | Permalink

    The Ros hate has never been more justified than now though. Now they are actualy giving her a story arc. Did you see the season finale last year? They actually set up a plot arc for her this season. It looks like they are going to try and have her involved with Sansas escape because there was that scene being filmed that leaked showing Littlefinger with Sansa and Ros was there. Somebody said that Dontos could show up again this season but he is not, they got rid of him to give characters like Littlefinger and probably Ros more screen time in S3. Those are always the worst changes, when they alter the story just to give actors they like more screen time like Ygritte last season that ended up ruining Jons arc. The reason they had Dontos in the S2 premiere is because they originally planned to keep his storyline with Sansa but as S2 was filming they changed there mind as they started mapping out S3. There was more Dontos scenes they filmed but they got cut.

  105. ace
    Posted March 12, 2013 at 7:16 pm | Permalink

    Look what they are handing out at work

    http://oi46.tinypic.com/14dhceh.jpg

    (it’s a notepad)

  106. Tyrion Pimpslap
    Posted March 12, 2013 at 7:23 pm | Permalink

    JamesL,

    I’d gladly watch Ros hop around naked giving her haters the finger than have to hear ‘My dear sweet Jonquil, I will save you.” a half dozen times throughout the season.

  107. Death Machine Miyagi
    Posted March 12, 2013 at 7:23 pm | Permalink

    I thought the Dontos they had last season was pretty awkward. They tried to drown the man in wine and, two seconds later, he seemed remarkably unperturbed at how close he had just come to death. I remember his performance as being not very good, even with the extremely limited time he had on screen.

    It’s entirely possible that filming more scenes with him made them come to a similar conclusion and look for another way to get Sansa out of King’s Landing.

  108. Death Machine Miyagi
    Posted March 12, 2013 at 7:27 pm | Permalink

    Scott Glennon,

    Season 2 made me anxious. It changed a lot more than Season 1, and a large chunk of what it changed seemed both unnecessary and a turn for the worse from the book.

    Therefore, whenever there’s the suggestion of a major change from the books coming up, I get antsy, and will remain so until I see said change on screen and see that they handle it well.

  109. Arthur
    Posted March 12, 2013 at 7:27 pm | Permalink

    JamesL,

    I dislike the character Ros and when I see her on the show my whole living room sighs and people usaully get up for a break, smoke, drink, bathroom, whatever…

    Being totally honest…

    But I really hope D&D use the real characters from the books for the sex scenes which I think they will.

    We have:

    Rob and Talisa
    Jon and Ygritte
    Dany and Daario

    You know Margaery is going to flaunt her goodies and you know Shae will also.

    With all these love/sex scenes I no longer see a need for Ros.

    So sadly in order for D&D to jusitfy her presence, they have to write her in the story with her own arc and/or involvment in the other characters storyline.

    I find that kind of pathetic.

    But what are you going to do?

    D&D really like Esme and think she is a good person…

  110. The Bear
    Posted March 12, 2013 at 8:17 pm | Permalink

    Arthur,

    Spoilers

  111. monsieurxander
    Posted March 12, 2013 at 8:47 pm | Permalink

    If she’s featured in scenes where she gets to do interesting things, and her appearance stops heralding token nudity for the episode, wonderful.

    She wasn’t nude, at all, in season two. Not once. (I think the actress may have been pregnant, due to her fuller face and the types of clothing she wore.)

    And there was no nudity anywhere near her in her scene with Varys. Or her scene with Tyrion and Cersei.

  112. Zack
    Posted March 12, 2013 at 9:05 pm | Permalink

    monsieurxander,

    Right, which is why I used that phrasing. “Where there’s Ros, there’s nudity not too far away.” Whether it’s hers or not is beside the point that I just hate those brothel scenes in general, except for that time she was able to be sad after the baby slaughters, and subsequently terrified by Littlefinger’s implications about ‘bad investments’. That was one of the only times didn’t hate a brothel sequence.

  113. Greatjon of Slumber
    Posted March 12, 2013 at 9:12 pm | Permalink

    Zack,

    Would that be the “play with her arse” scene? That one’s about as clunky and badly written as the show gets, and it cannot be blamed on Esme Bianco by any means. A lot of non-book readers like her, in part because she’s also a pretty good window on how those who don’t have power often suffer in these “games.” I like her, and find her sympathetic. Besides, when it comes to Season 3, I’m not going to be sitting around pining for Dontos Hollard.

  114. Zack
    Posted March 12, 2013 at 9:21 pm | Permalink

    I see both sides on this one as well, because I too find it a bit crazy how some people just bitch any time she’s on the screen, even when she’s taking over multiple roles that don’t really need to be fleshed out that much. Alayaya was such a small role, why not give the part to someone they already have, especially when it’s already established that Littlefinger runs the KL whorehouses. And so on. Ros isn’t inherently a bad character in my view. Plus Esme is gorgeous.

    Greatjon of Slumber,

    Agree wholeheartedly. Honestly that scene does as much damage to my opinion of Littlefinger as anyone else but it’s always Ros that gets the hate. I’d like her to get some good material.

  115. Omar Brown
    Posted March 12, 2013 at 9:23 pm | Permalink

    Johnny3toes,

    He NEEDS to come back for his fight with the Red viper!! Pretty please!

  116. Omar Brown
    Posted March 12, 2013 at 9:27 pm | Permalink

    Death Machine Miyagi:
    I thought the Dontos they had last season was pretty awkward. They tried to drown the man in wine and, two seconds later, he seemed remarkably unperturbed at how close he had just come to death. I remember his performance as being not very good, even with the extremely limited time he had on screen.

    It’s entirely possible that filming more scenes with him made them come to a similar conclusion and look for another way to get Sansa out of King’s Landing.

    The opening scene felt a bit rushed. The whole Dontos bit you mentioned, also how no one but Sansa seemed horrified ( while Tommen and Marcylla seemed perfectly calm). Season 2 suffered for trying to fit a larger book in only 10 episodes, I am VERY they split book 3 into 2 seasons!

  117. Alan
    Posted March 12, 2013 at 9:57 pm | Permalink

    Adrian:
    When was it decided that if you don’t like an aspect of this show you’re no longer allowed to discuss it?

    It’s a great show. Not perfect. Yet now a criticism of easily one of the worst, most pointless deviations from the books/additions to the show is “tired.” Ros is an awful, awful character whose purpose has seemed thus far to be eating up screentime from characters that are actually the least bit compelling or interesting.

    I would stake my life on the notion that no one ever saw a Ros scene and was like “Alright, she’s back! So stoked!”

    I would also stake my life that someone will lie and say that yes, they have done just that.

    What else are we no longer permitted to criticize or dicuss on this “discussion” so I know for the future?

    Good lord, stop acting so persecuted. You’re embarrassing yourself. OMG, someone told you your opinion sucked on a message board.

    And the Ros stuff is tired. I know a bunch of non-book readers and none of them have any issue with Ros and many of them quite like her.

  118. Hexonx
    Posted March 12, 2013 at 10:12 pm | Permalink

    off topic,

    I just put together this video of Dany set to Skinny Puppy’s song “Cult”. The lyrics fit her storyline nicely:

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=74dLxHt6OMI

    Let me know what you think.

  119. wigan
    Posted March 12, 2013 at 10:17 pm | Permalink

    Is Peter Vaughan back for season 3?

  120. Dave
    Posted March 12, 2013 at 10:55 pm | Permalink

    I love the books, and I hope they stay as close to the books as possible, but I don’t understand the concern with what the changes from Clash of Kings mean going forward.

    Dany’s story was a little silly but they expanded her role for the season for obvious reasons. Swing and a miss, but she’s in the same place as the books. I didn’t like Jon’s changes but obviously they want to make Ygritte’s death more impactful. Qhorin’s character suffered, as did Jon’s, but Jon too, is in the same place and has plenty of storyline to go. Arya’s changes I actually thought were overall positive, wish weasel soup was in there but there would’ve been too many characters to add, and yet another character in the right place at the end. Unless Jeyne has a bigger role in the last two books, which I doubt, I don’t see why Jeyne vs. Talisa matters at all, don’t see why Dontos vs. Ros matters, and they cut the chain for budget and couldn’t show the exact same House of Undying as I’m sure among other things, they didn’t want to show the RW or other future visions she doesn’t understand. In the end, I didn’t love the changes as a whole, but don’t see it as a concern going forward. I can also understand without 1,000 pages to go into great detail why they would shift some focus.

  121. H
    Posted March 13, 2013 at 12:23 am | Permalink

    Arthur,

    And you think the actress is a horrible bitch?

  122. Yep
    Posted March 13, 2013 at 3:36 am | Permalink

    Thanks to everyone who explained the whole cast/recurring/guest star thing. Glad to see Selmy & Bolton will both have bigger roles, as they should!

    Just on more thing about Ros: I think everyone is waiting to like her, like all the other characters.
    But, while the actress is just ok, the writing of the character is really bad. And when other more meaningful characters (Stannis, Balon) don’t have enough screentime (or so it felt), it’s getting frustrating to see the Ros plot going kind of nowhere.

    She was ok in season 1, her scenes with Theon & Tyrion worked, but useless in season 2.
    Now if she has an actual stroyline (more than training whores, which we already saw Littlefinger do in s1 ; or crying, which she doesn’t do well) she might not be annoying anymore.

    Ser Dontos isn’t that important, so maybe she could take his place like some said (& that would be a smart move, they need to cut down the size of the cast!).

  123. GeekFurious
    Posted March 13, 2013 at 7:44 am | Permalink

    Arthur:
    Totally Off Topic:

    Okay you all know I can’t wait for GoT to come out and think GoT is the best and only true epic series out there.

    However, if you like GoT and have ‘The History Channel’ you will love their new series called “Vikings”.So far you only missed 2 episodes check it out on demand…

    I have a huge hunch that a few of these actors will end up in GoT because they totally look like warriors.Maybe one can be Victarion or Euron Greyjoy… Check it out!

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XQFQN3-Pm8E

    VIKINGS sucks.

    Next.

  124. mariamb18
    Posted March 13, 2013 at 7:47 am | Permalink

    Greatjon of Slumber:
    Zack,

    Would that be the “play with her arse” scene? That one’s about as clunky and badly written as the show gets, and it cannot be blamed on Esme Bianco by any means. A lot of non-book readers like her, in part because she’s also a pretty good window on how those who don’t have power often suffer in these “games.” I like her, and find her sympathetic. Besides, when it comes to Season 3, I’m not going to be sitting around pining for Dontos Hollard.

    Agree. That scene was so poorly done. We are supposed to be gaining an understanding about Littlefinger and yet are completely distracted by Ros and her friend. Every time I see it I wonder what D & D were thinking.

    I, too, find her sympathetic but I admit that I have been annoyed with her scenes from time to time. I try to remember that its not the actress – its the writing.

    I’m OK with Ros taking over the Dontos role…if that is what’s happening. (Didn’t like that character in the books.) She is now also working for Varys which adds a layer of complexity to her role. Hopefully, it will be interesting.

  125. JonSnow83
    Posted March 13, 2013 at 7:50 am | Permalink

    Kevin,

    Selmy is because he wasn’t in Season 2…

    Not sure about Bolton?

  126. Chris
    Posted March 13, 2013 at 10:17 am | Permalink

    Skip the battle of the Fist? Nooooooooo!
    My favorite scene of all five books.
    Maybe we’ll see it in flashback in episode 2, as it was in the books.
    ….although I have NEVER seen a flashback in the series so far. :-(

  127. Tom O' Sevens
    Posted March 13, 2013 at 10:17 am | Permalink

    GeekFurious,

    I like Vikings :)

  128. Jaime Lannister
    Posted March 13, 2013 at 12:13 pm | Permalink

    Do any of you guys know if this is a legit photo or not? I’m seeing it everywhere.

    http://i.imgur.com/hNjciDq.png

  129. Ours is the Fury
    Posted March 13, 2013 at 12:33 pm | Permalink

    Jaime Lannister,
    The Rheon image is definitely a fan-made one. One of us retweeted it a few days ago, I think.

  130. Jaime Lannister
    Posted March 13, 2013 at 1:37 pm | Permalink

    Ours is the Fury,

    Ah, alright. They had my hopes up there. :(

  131. Joshua Taylor
    Posted March 13, 2013 at 3:04 pm | Permalink

    In regard to the Joffrey dying in season 3 or not at the Purple Wedding I just want to say that I have defended this adaptation since the beginning, I have been called everything from a fanboy to a series apologist but if D & D decided to place Joffrey’s death before or simultaneous with the Red Wedding than I will be gravely disappointed with where this show is going. What people fail to see is that having Joffrey offed before Robb or immediately after will rob (no pun intended) the Red Wedding of all is significance in the story. I can’t believe that Martin (and yes I am aware that he has no say in the matter) would have let D & D do this. Because if they have made that decision I honestly believe we wouldn’t be hearing from Martin as much as we are now. As an author I would have told David and Dan that if you want the rights to my book than this fact alone: to have a Red Wedding that is cruel to reader and viewer alike, that allows the Lannisters to gloat hubristically into the next season. Otherwise, there is no point to the vicious twist of fate, there is no point to the story arc then that of getting rid of a whole bunch of characters. By having the Red Wedding after Joffrey’s death or immediately after it you take away the agency of Tywin. What will they do? Make it a Bolton/Frey affair alone? Why is the episode called the Rains of Castamere? For what sane reason would David and Dan who have wanted to get to this point in the series from the get go deprive it of all its narrative and emotional power?

    I hope to God that JamesL and many of you that share his opinion are proven wrong…because as a watcher of the show this deviation will have me at the edge of a precipice I have yet to even glimpse at present.

  132. Sadface MacBastard
    Posted March 13, 2013 at 9:48 pm | Permalink

    Joshua Taylor,

    I’ve always thought Joffrey’s death would be a grand way to end the first episode of season four (provided the pacing allows for it; been a while since I’ve read the book) just for the impact of such a weird place in the series would give it. Gives everyone a year to rage about the Red Wedding before BAM! Result out of nowhere!

  133. Joshua Taylor
    Posted March 13, 2013 at 10:09 pm | Permalink

    Sadface MacBastard,

    This would work beautifully. I hope D & D decide to go in that direction instead of what some people are speculating.

  134. Huge Floppys
    Posted March 14, 2013 at 7:46 am | Permalink

    Mr sharpy knife: All u guys take these words to literally. Obviously they will show at least some battle at the fist. If the just showed exactly what each episode synopsis said, then each episode would only be 15 minutes long.. lo

  135. Josh Parker
    Posted March 14, 2013 at 9:46 am | Permalink

    Suzaku,

    Breaking back in for just a second,

    I actually think this was just a mistake. I don’t think this means they’re going to be regulars. It says “returning regulars” separately, up above, and includes Gwendoline Christie and Rose Leslie, both of whom were guest stars last year. If McElhatton and McElhinney were going to be regulars now, surely that’s where they would be listed.

    I also have a feeling that Ciaran Hinds will be a regular. Mance is still around and active at this point in the books, and if they aren’t planning on making him a major presence, why would they hire a prominent actor? I wish I could say the same for Tobias Menzies and Clive Russell, but how would they do that, considering what becomes of Riverrun?

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