New season 3 trailer: “The Beast”
By Ours is the Fury on in Media.

We’ve got a nice surprise today! The trailer we expected to debut in a day or two was uploaded tonight on HBO’s youtube channel. There’s lots of fresh footage in the trailer and glimpses of new characters from the third season of Game of Thrones.

Ours is the Fury: House Tully! Mance! A funeral boat! Too much excitement to stand. I can hardly wait for March 31st now.


353 Comments

  1. Andrew
    Posted March 16, 2013 at 8:15 pm | Permalink

    This looks badass and I can’t wait any longer there are going to be so many tears this season and badass.

  2. Jacobos47
    Posted March 16, 2013 at 8:16 pm | Permalink

    Amazing! I m just keen on seeing Ramsey, right now.

  3. Doug M.
    Posted March 16, 2013 at 8:16 pm | Permalink

    The fucking cave with Ygritte looks AWESOME!

  4. ChristineMarie
    Posted March 16, 2013 at 8:17 pm | Permalink

    I’m torn between “no, they’re showing too much now” and EEEEEEEEEEEKK!

    Oh, hi there Stannis and Mel, so glad to see you made it into S3.

  5. Chris
    Posted March 16, 2013 at 8:17 pm | Permalink

    Looks like the cave scene with Jon and Ygritte is in ;)

  6. Sandsnake
    Posted March 16, 2013 at 8:17 pm | Permalink

    That shot of Jaime with the sword is so badass.

  7. Darquemode
    Posted March 16, 2013 at 8:18 pm | Permalink

    Great new scenes for sure!
    Love Varys commenting on Joffrey’s willingness to be the King of the Ashes! XD

    IF cappers are interested, the 1080p YT version will be here shortly:
    http://youtu.be/p87CS4Egzxg

  8. WinWolf
    Posted March 16, 2013 at 8:18 pm | Permalink

    awesome! reek reek reek it rhymes with freak

  9. Jentario
    Posted March 16, 2013 at 8:18 pm | Permalink

    ChristineMarie:
    I’m torn between “no, they’re showing too much now” and EEEEEEEEEEEKK!

    Oh, hi there Stannis and Mel, so glad to see you made it into S3.

    Don’t you mean REEEEEEEEEEEEK?

  10. Kyle
    Posted March 16, 2013 at 8:18 pm | Permalink

    Best preview yet.

  11. Yago
    Posted March 16, 2013 at 8:21 pm | Permalink

    YES YES YES. I’ll watch it now and add another comment when I’ve finished seeing it for the 10th time.

  12. Alex Dubrovsky
    Posted March 16, 2013 at 8:21 pm | Permalink

    My reaction to the preview:
    http://youtu.be/i7kT0qiv78s?t=13s

    Just release the whole damn thing already!

  13. Winter Is Coming
    Posted March 16, 2013 at 8:22 pm | Permalink

    OK, it’s official. This season is going to be amazing. C’mon March 31!!

  14. Javi Marcos
    Posted March 16, 2013 at 8:22 pm | Permalink

    Things I don’t identify:

    Knight at 0.16

    Margaery confronting somebody at 0.18

    Arya practicing with the sword with somebody at 0.19

    Varys talking with someone at 0.31

    Nice to see Stannis with Mel (who has another scene later) and Papa Tully’s funeral.

  15. GeekFurious
    Posted March 16, 2013 at 8:23 pm | Permalink

    Everything I’ve seen so far looks amazing.

    So, congratulations to the HBO marketing team and the people editing these teasers.

  16. zod
    Posted March 16, 2013 at 8:24 pm | Permalink

    0:19 The scene where Arya gets Needle back?

  17. Ren Snow
    Posted March 16, 2013 at 8:24 pm | Permalink

    The scene with the Old Bear drawing his sword… the guy he’s looking at and who is facing him while sitting sure looks like Burn Gorman

  18. Darquemode
    Posted March 16, 2013 at 8:25 pm | Permalink

    Javi Marcos,

    Varys is talking to the Queen of Thorns, but the rest I do not recognize either.

  19. zod
    Posted March 16, 2013 at 8:25 pm | Permalink

    Javi Marcos: Varys talking with someone at 0.31

    Queen of Thorns. That’s probably the “Varys meets his better” scene.

  20. Cirothecarius
    Posted March 16, 2013 at 8:27 pm | Permalink

    I think I just saw Arya during a fight at a certain inn – I hope she’s reunited with her present from Jon Snow so that she can continue with her needlework!

  21. Luthien
    Posted March 16, 2013 at 8:27 pm | Permalink

    Omg that was a beast of a trailer!

  22. Darquemode
    Posted March 16, 2013 at 8:28 pm | Permalink

    Ren Snow,

    Great catch!!

    I would bet that it’s Burn Gorman too…

  23. House Snow
    Posted March 16, 2013 at 8:30 pm | Permalink

    Wow there was so much blink and you miss it stuff in there.

  24. ebevan91
    Posted March 16, 2013 at 8:30 pm | Permalink

    I keep saying my body is ready, but every time a new video is released, I learn that my body was not indeed ready.

  25. Ren Snow
    Posted March 16, 2013 at 8:30 pm | Permalink

    zod,

    Probably how they meet and run from the BwB

  26. Ren Snow
    Posted March 16, 2013 at 8:31 pm | Permalink

    In the House Tully bit… looks like a Mallister sigil on their right. Nice touch

  27. Rickon Greyjoy
    Posted March 16, 2013 at 8:31 pm | Permalink

    F#*%ing awesome! Ughhh can’t wait. Lol, my favorite trailer yet.

  28. Anguissette1979
    Posted March 16, 2013 at 8:32 pm | Permalink

    I was SQUEE-Ing in the car while driving home when I got my GoT YouTube channel subscription email that this was up. Now sitting down to research S2E05 with the hubs and a pint of maple walnut ice cream!

  29. mpn1010
    Posted March 16, 2013 at 8:32 pm | Permalink

    Javi Marcos,

    Javi,

    I think it’s Thoros with Arya at 0:19; speaking of Arya, Maisie’s delivery of the “Burn in hell!” line here was really powerful…she captures the emotions contained in the text perfectly.

    As for Varys, it looks like he’s talking with the Queen of Thorns, which is clearly an added scene (they never interact in the book, at least from what I can recall). I’m more curious as to who he’s talking ABOUT – the description certainly fits Joffrey, though the notion of being “king of ashes” is eerily reminiscent of Aerys. Then again I suppose that fits given that Joffrey is yet another “mad king.” Of course, he might be talking about Stannis given his fear of Stannis, though I’m not sure it applies as well as it does to Joffrey.

    Margery’s confrontation has me stumped; it looks like she’s confronting a peasant. Perhaps they’re going to set up the Cersei/Margery rivalry early by contrasting Cersei’s obnoxious and disdainful behavior toward the smallfolk vs. Margery’s more patient and popular behavior, though given the look on Margery’s face, she hardly seems “patient” at the moment.

  30. Winter Is Coming
    Posted March 16, 2013 at 8:33 pm | Permalink

    I like that the Robb beheading Karstark scene is in the pouring rain. It mirrors the Theon beheading Ser Rodrick scene, only Robb will prove to be more competent and will make it a quick, clean death.

  31. Nezzer
    Posted March 16, 2013 at 8:35 pm | Permalink

    Darquemode:
    Ren Snow,

    Great catch!!

    I would bet that it’s Burn Gorman too…

    Yeah, I am 99% sure that’s Burn Gorman.

  32. Ren Snow
    Posted March 16, 2013 at 8:36 pm | Permalink

    mpn1010: that the Robb beheading Karstarck scene is in the pouring rain. It mirrors the Theon beheading Ser Rodrick scene, only Robb will prove to be more competent and will make it a quick, clean death.

      

    And the girl behind Margaery… I think thats Aishling Jarrett-Gavin

  33. Rickon Greyjoy
    Posted March 16, 2013 at 8:36 pm | Permalink

    Also, Ciaran Hinds. Can’t say enough about that guy. By all means is a bigger name than having a side part in an epic fantasy drama but accepts the role as part of the bigger picture. Not to diminish Mance Rayder at all but I think it just adds to the respect and popularity that this series has gathered to have a name such as Hinds behind a non PoV role.

  34. Andrew
    Posted March 16, 2013 at 8:36 pm | Permalink

    Makes me squirm to see Rast behind Mormont.

  35. Tyler
    Posted March 16, 2013 at 8:37 pm | Permalink

    I seem to remember a few weeks ago when I wanted nothing more than a minute-long trailer…now it seems we’re getting bombarded with them! Hey, I’m not complaining.
    Seeing Dany smiling up at her dragons, yes? makes me giddy. I can’t wait to see how the dragons change this year.
    Finally, FINALLY, I get a few seconds of some Tyrells! Margery and The Queen of Thorns…I can’t wait. Looks like this is going to be one BAMF season.

  36. Isabelle
    Posted March 16, 2013 at 8:38 pm | Permalink

    The Queen of Thorns + Varys = magnificence!!! I wonder if he’ll be dropping a hint about Sansa’s treatment from Joffrey.

  37. MyBFFTheHound
    Posted March 16, 2013 at 8:40 pm | Permalink

    Oh poor man in the hood. :(

  38. House Snow
    Posted March 16, 2013 at 8:40 pm | Permalink

    Winter Is Coming,

    A part of me wishes they would shoot every outdoor scene at night or in the rain. HAs there been a scene in those conditions that wasn’t awesome. Blackwater, rodrik, king of the north, yoren, jaimie vs catelyn, etc. Even within the realm of fantasy it feels like it hasn’t been utilized very much.

  39. Rickon Greyjoy
    Posted March 16, 2013 at 8:42 pm | Permalink

    Winter Is Coming,

    haha yes, I love this.. pure irony. Theon is a fuck up in almost every way, which makes his story of redemption all the more interesting. Team Theon! for that prophet dude Melisandre talks about lol… could be true.

  40. CaroH
    Posted March 16, 2013 at 8:42 pm | Permalink

    Oh gods I just got sooooo many good chills from this trailer!! Seeing the Hound again and then Arya shouting burn to hell… gods,and everything really. i am just overwhelmed by this excellent trailer!!

  41. Andrew
    Posted March 16, 2013 at 8:43 pm | Permalink

    I enjoy the Varys-QoT dynamic, if—as it seems apparent—he’s going to be encouraging the Tyrells to take their “we need A king” stance, since instability works in his ultimate favor as a Targaryen-supporter.

  42. Andrew
    Posted March 16, 2013 at 8:44 pm | Permalink

    Rickon Greyjoy,

    I wouldn’t say I believe Theon = AA, but it wouldn’t shock me.

  43. Rickon Greyjoy
    Posted March 16, 2013 at 8:46 pm | Permalink

    Rickon Greyjoy,

    and Robb is the picture of the true northern King. Proud, just, fair.. skilled in battle tactics, courageous.. don’t even like mentioning spoilers as i’m drawn to read the black so don’t like to spoil it for others but fair to say G.R.R.M likes to play around… introduce unlikeable characters, turn likeable characters to dislikable, turn unlikeable characters to fan favorites and kill them, etc.. he doesn’t follow the norms

  44. Darquemode
    Posted March 16, 2013 at 8:47 pm | Permalink

    mpn1010,

    That Margery scene has me confounded too….
    - Definitely a peasant in wrags…
    - Margery look agressive iof not angry, but there is a hint of asmile…
    - her lady in waiting(?) seems to be in a pleasant mood….

    I think you are right about it being Thoros.
    He has the red chainmail cae we have seen Thoros wearing.

  45. Dtones520
    Posted March 16, 2013 at 8:47 pm | Permalink

    Winter Is Coming,

    Except that Robb takes three swings of a pole axe before he cuts Lord Rickards head off in the books as well. It is another way of showing his youth and inexperience which ended up leading to his demise, just like Theons botched beheading did with Ser Rodrik. They are playing Robb up as a bit more of a badass in the show, and that may help make the Red Wedding hit home even more on the show. You maybe don’t want to make the audience think Robb is going down Theons path.

  46. Rickon Greyjoy
    Posted March 16, 2013 at 8:47 pm | Permalink

    Andrew,

    I wouldn’t stake my life on it but I’ve read a few compelling arguements… it would please me to no ends though lol.

  47. WheelofIceandFire
    Posted March 16, 2013 at 8:47 pm | Permalink

    So happy to see Arya in this trailer, and it looks like she is praticing with Thoros. I really hope she features a lot this year and its about time she gets more action (even if it isnt a serious fight). Plus, the way she shouts ‘Burn in hell’ (to The Hound i guess) is very poweful and once again shows juts how amazing Maisie Williams is

  48. Darquemode
    Posted March 16, 2013 at 8:49 pm | Permalink

    Rickon Greyjoy,

    He certainly is one of the top 3 candidates and fits many of the details.
    Having Jon or Dany as red herrings would fit GRRM’s style too. Not sold on it just yet, but he is in the running!

  49. Rickon Greyjoy
    Posted March 16, 2013 at 8:53 pm | Permalink

    Dtones520,

    Exactly. All the more reason for Theon to be the more hated… he botches the clean death, kind of de-masculates him.. yet he may find redemption in the end… robb, bright, strategic.. gives his bannerman a nice clean death. .. won every battle.. but lets love get in the way of strategic alliances and pays for it.. just more irony to add to an already ironic series hehe, not that i’m complaining

  50. Rickon Greyjoy
    Posted March 16, 2013 at 8:53 pm | Permalink

    sorry folks, new here.. how do i tag the above part as spoiler?

  51. Erik
    Posted March 16, 2013 at 8:54 pm | Permalink

    Darquemode,

    I assumed he was talking about Stannis there.

  52. The Red Viper
    Posted March 16, 2013 at 8:54 pm | Permalink

    Winter Is Coming,
    Yeah probably. It will deverge from Karstark death in the books (Rob had some difficulty behading him, showing him weak). They already used that death with Theon and Rodrik. Hope we get the line: No one is more cursed than a kinslayer.

  53. House Snow
    Posted March 16, 2013 at 8:54 pm | Permalink

    From the Theon shot it looks like they won’t be hiding that he is being held by bolton since they went with an X shaped cross which is their sigil, They will probably hide who Ramsey is though, maybe even have a scene where Theon sees “boy” getting tortured to throw the audience off the scent

  54. Seriano
    Posted March 16, 2013 at 8:55 pm | Permalink

    Just here to say that some people should use more spoiler tags…

  55. ebevan91
    Posted March 16, 2013 at 8:55 pm | Permalink

    Rickon Greyjoy:
    sorry folks, new here.. how do i tag the above part as spoiler?

    I don’t think you can edit a post and add spoilers. I did the same thing earlier and couldn’t spoiler tag it.

  56. Sky Aero
    Posted March 16, 2013 at 8:57 pm | Permalink

    Wow, it’s really an impressive trailer!

    Obviously Arya was great, Jaime doing the sword thing looked really good and i do really love Conleth Hill. He is so underrated, he portrayed Varys amazingly!

    <3

  57. Luthien
    Posted March 16, 2013 at 8:58 pm | Permalink

    I love the look Dany has when she gazes at a flying Drogon(assuming it’s Drogon). She looks like a proud dragon mama!

  58. Darquemode
    Posted March 16, 2013 at 8:59 pm | Permalink

    Rickon Greyjoy,

    Look under the comment text box is there are some tags for you to use….place the first “b” before the text you want spoiler tagged and the second “/b” after… include the arrows before and after each tag of course though.

    I cannot type them in trying to show you or the comment wll get spoiler tagged! XD

  59. The Flayed Man
    Posted March 16, 2013 at 8:59 pm | Permalink

    I’ve screencapped the entire thing, if anyone is interested and wants an extremely close look!

    http://www.facebook.com/media/set/?set=a.10151347343762169.1073741827.755877168&type=1&l=1e0150e7ae

  60. KG
    Posted March 16, 2013 at 9:00 pm | Permalink

    AA is Brienne. That’s where my money is!

  61. sarya
    Posted March 16, 2013 at 9:00 pm | Permalink

    Oh, man…Maisie’s “Burn in hell!”…wow.

  62. King Tommen
    Posted March 16, 2013 at 9:01 pm | Permalink

    So at 0:39, is that a random WW with the axe in the snow or is it Coldhands? Am I crazy? I’m pretty sure the Walker that Sam kills is the one we’ve already seen in the woods in a completely different setting.

    And it doesn’t really look like a Walker, more like a supernatural person under a hood. Please correct me if I’m wrong…

  63. dogs
    Posted March 16, 2013 at 9:03 pm | Permalink

    All these shots of Tyrion behind grates. Looks to me like Varys is going to be showing Tyrion some secret passageways in the Red Keep this season, so he can spy around. That’ll keep the King’s Landing stories interesting.

  64. The Red Viper
    Posted March 16, 2013 at 9:04 pm | Permalink

    King Tommen,

    Probaly a wight.

  65. pntrlqst
    Posted March 16, 2013 at 9:04 pm | Permalink

    King Tommen,

    I thought it was a wight. Seems to be wearing wilding garb.

  66. Isabelle
    Posted March 16, 2013 at 9:04 pm | Permalink

    I love the distinctive armour of the Tully men–looks almost like fish scales. Another win for the costume department!

  67. Darquemode
    Posted March 16, 2013 at 9:05 pm | Permalink

    Erik,

    He certainly could have been..

    With the quick cut to Joffrey, Joffrey’s desire for power, and fire-loving mom I thought of Joff first…

    Personally I think that rash temperament fits Joffrey and Aerys the Mad King better than Stannis, but Stannis would work too.

  68. 3eyes
    Posted March 16, 2013 at 9:06 pm | Permalink

    Love how the teaser/trailers are edited to give non-readers a sense of foreboding without spoilers. Steeling myself. Roll on 31st!

  69. Ser Tahu
    Posted March 16, 2013 at 9:07 pm | Permalink

    The more I see the less I like Ciaran Hinds as Mance… Everything Else looks great though!

  70. Sami
    Posted March 16, 2013 at 9:07 pm | Permalink

    I THINK I have just peed my pants with excitement….

    Great to see some of Theon, FRIGGIN AWESOME! to see the whites and white walkers on what I believe… is the fist of the first men? …. JUST AWESOME!

  71. Sky Aero
    Posted March 16, 2013 at 9:07 pm | Permalink

    at 0.44 there’s a shot of Melisandre and Thoros of Myr but that never happend in the books right?

    or is that someone else, The guy in the background (ToM) is kind of blurry

  72. House Snow
    Posted March 16, 2013 at 9:09 pm | Permalink

    This has come up before but is that Thoros or not in that shot at 44 sec with Mellisandre

  73. Darquemode
    Posted March 16, 2013 at 9:10 pm | Permalink

    Sky Aero,

    Saw similar shot of Mel and “Thoros” in another preview…

    It really does look like him, but I think it is some random Stannis man because it makes no sense for Thoros to be inside Stannis’ camp or for Mel to visit the BWOB…. Right?

    It would have to be a new scene if so, but seems odd to me…..

  74. The Flayed Man
    Posted March 16, 2013 at 9:11 pm | Permalink

    Sky Aero,

    I’ve been saying that it was Thoros for ages since we first saw that shot in another trailer, but this one was slightly extended, and I screencapped it…definitely looks like Paul Kaye as Thoros without his hair tied up!

    ETA: Link to the screencap. Note the red-tinted chainmail. http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=10151347348687169&set=a.10151347343762169.1073741827.755877168&type=3&theater

  75. Luthien
    Posted March 16, 2013 at 9:12 pm | Permalink

    Why was Maisie shouting though?!

    Oh yeah because she’s red hot angry.

    Meanwhile, Jon Snow still looks sad, even with Ygritte stripping before him. Sad bastard is sad.

  76. AryaisAwesome
    Posted March 16, 2013 at 9:13 pm | Permalink

    Maisie Williams just gave me goosebumps. She was amazing for the first two seasons but if they give her enough screen time she could defintely be looking at emmy and golden globe nominations if that brief clip is anything to go by

  77. Lux
    Posted March 16, 2013 at 9:13 pm | Permalink

    Please excuse the moment of fangirlism coming, but:

    JAIME FIGHTING!!!!!!!

    and oh damn I’m not attracted to Dillane (and Carice is gorgeous of course as always) but gee that firm embrace HOT!

    Now I must go back watch a dozen other times

  78. Andrew
    Posted March 16, 2013 at 9:14 pm | Permalink

    That is very strange, since it certainly appears to be Thoros.

    Very interested about the random Wight with axe.

    And wow, the Jon-Ygritte cave scene is going to be … intense.

  79. ebevan91
    Posted March 16, 2013 at 9:14 pm | Permalink

    Lux:
    Please excuse the moment of fangirlism coming, but:

    JAIME FIGHTING!!!!!!!

    and oh damn I’m not attracted to Dillane (and Carice is gorgeous of course as always) but gee that firm embrace HOT!

    Now I must go back watch a dozen other times

    As a straight male, I’ve always thought Dillane is quite handsome. And yeah Carise is definitely hot too :D

  80. After the Feast
    Posted March 16, 2013 at 9:15 pm | Permalink

    KG,

    Yeah she seems pretty plausible but I personally hope it is Jaime. He is my number one choice

  81. Hounded
    Posted March 16, 2013 at 9:15 pm | Permalink

    The Flayed Man,

    Maybe they have a R’hllor worshiping meet up? Talk about fire… and stuff…

  82. Andrew
    Posted March 16, 2013 at 9:16 pm | Permalink

    Hounded,

    Sure, but … where and when?!?!

  83. Sky Aero
    Posted March 16, 2013 at 9:16 pm | Permalink

    The Flayed Man,

    i never even noticed that there was a similar shot in one of the other trailers, this shot was really fast. I have no idea if its really him. Maybe D&D changed it up a little since the both have faith in R’Hllor?!

    i don’t know, not a book purist so I don’t really mind!

  84. House Snow
    Posted March 16, 2013 at 9:17 pm | Permalink

    Here is a theory. What if Mel goes to pick up Gendry from the BwB so he can replace Edric Storm. There has always been the underlying issue about what to do with Gendry

  85. Yago
    Posted March 16, 2013 at 9:17 pm | Permalink

    I’d be surprised if GoT didn’t win most of the costume/design/etc. awards. Damn this loooks so great.

  86. mpn1010
    Posted March 16, 2013 at 9:17 pm | Permalink

    Sky Aero,

    Oh my God…if that is Thoros with Mel at 0:44, I think I just had an epiphany…

    We know that Edric Storm is probably not going to be on the show, but Gendry is obviously back. What if Melisandre goes on a quest to locate the Brotherhood without Banner and find Gendry because she knows he has the blood of a king? If she brings him back to Dragonstone, that effectively allows Gendry to take on the Edric role, and it allows for the Stannis subplot to build momentum over the course of the season (the leeches…Davos trying to save the life of one of Robert’s bastard sons) WITHOUT putting Shireen in the middle (personally, I’d be VERY much against the notion of Melisandre trying to persuade Stannis to sacrifice his own daughter. Whatever Stannis’s faults, and whatever his coldness toward his daughter in the book, I refuse to believe that he would contemplate sacrificing her to “wake the dragons” — Edric/Gendry is one thing, but Shireen is another).

  87. Darquemode
    Posted March 16, 2013 at 9:18 pm | Permalink

    Hounded,

    Ha!
    Maybe it could happen in Season 1 before Stannis returns from his defeat?
    While Stannis was off storming the castle Melisadre went to see an old flame?

  88. 3eyes
    Posted March 16, 2013 at 9:18 pm | Permalink

    The Flayed Man,

    Thanks – very helpful!

  89. mpn1010
    Posted March 16, 2013 at 9:19 pm | Permalink

    House Snow,

    You beat me to the punch! I had the exact same notion! (see above)

  90. Ours is the Fury
    Posted March 16, 2013 at 9:19 pm | Permalink

    That was definitely a wight with the axe, not a White Walker. Fist of the First Men, I’m guessing.

  91. Darquemode
    Posted March 16, 2013 at 9:21 pm | Permalink

    House Snow,

    Ya know…
    That makes sense and would be very intriguing!
    In fact the scene of Thoros and Arya fighting could be Arya voicing her disapproval at the idea!

  92. House Snow
    Posted March 16, 2013 at 9:21 pm | Permalink

    mpn1010:
    Sky Aero,

    Oh my God…if that is Thoros with Mel at 0:44, I think I just had an epiphany…

    We know that Edric Storm is probably not going to be on the show, but Gendry is obviously back. What if Melisandre goes on a quest to locate the Brotherhood without Banner and find Gendry because she knows he has the blood of a king? If she brings him back to Dragonstone, that effectively allows Gendry to take on the Edric role, and it allows for the Stannis subplot to build momentum over the course of the season (the leeches…Davos trying to save the life of one of Robert’s bastard sons) WITHOUT putting Shireen in the middle (personally, I’d be VERY much against the notion of Melisandre trying to persuade Stannis to sacrifice his own daughter. Whatever Stannis’s faults, and whatever his coldness toward his daughter in the book, I refuse to believe that he would contemplate sacrificing her to “wake the dragons” — Edric/Gendry is one thing, but Shireen is another).

    Beat you to it, but if two people can simultaneously think the same thing , I think it can have legs. It would actually be a clever way to tie together the stories, get rid of an extrsa character and extend what is a very sparse Stannis plot.

  93. The Flayed Man
    Posted March 16, 2013 at 9:24 pm | Permalink

    Guys, that idea about Gendry taking on Edric’s role is brilliant. I’m not a book purist either, and I think it’s very plausible, and will result in the audience feeling a lot more connected to that particular storyline!

    Also, if anyone wants any screencaps, you can just pay the iron price for mine rather than going through it all again yourself. Work away http://www.facebook.com/media/set/?set=a.10151347343762169.1073741827.755877168&type=3

  94. House Snow
    Posted March 16, 2013 at 9:29 pm | Permalink

    Also since we know that The hound fight in episode 5 and that Gendry is watching, it means he could be taken back to stannis in eps 6 or 7 and the sacrifice would happen towards the end. of the season. I agree Flayed the more I think about it the more it seems like a good idea and good way to get people invested in Stannis story

  95. Ours is the Fury
    Posted March 16, 2013 at 9:31 pm | Permalink

    The WiC tumblr screencaps every trailer and promo there is, actually. We’re pretty fast. :)

  96. Sky Aero
    Posted March 16, 2013 at 9:32 pm | Permalink

    House Snow,

    It think this is actually very plausible…

    When Arya screams Burn in Hell it also seems like there is a very distinctive red/orange glow. Possibly from fire. Maybe someone is trying to get to him. But the thing is, if this were true, wouldn’t Mel find out who Arya truly is? She can’t let the little sister of one of Stannis’ archenemies just walk away…

  97. Mormegil
    Posted March 16, 2013 at 9:32 pm | Permalink

    Darquemode: House Snow, Ya know…That makes sense and would be very intriguing!In fact the scene of Thoros and Arya fighting could be Arya voicing her disapproval at the idea!

    If it did happen I would guess it would be after Arya is kidnapped by the Hound. We know Gendry is still there during the Beric/Hound fight and Arya is taken pretty soon after that.

  98. The Flayed Man
    Posted March 16, 2013 at 9:32 pm | Permalink

    House Snow,

    It would also make complete sense storyline-wise, as Stannis is aware that Gendry is one of Robert’s bastards due to his investigations with Jon Arryn. The more I think about this, the more excited I am about it. Hopefully it will actually happen.

  99. The Flayed Man
    Posted March 16, 2013 at 9:34 pm | Permalink

    Ours is the Fury,

    So is Robb Stark according to Nikolaj in the DVD commentaries!!

  100. Yago
    Posted March 16, 2013 at 9:36 pm | Permalink

    I’m against the Gendry theory. It could screw up the story for future books, and really, why? There’s hardly any scenes with Edric in the book, it’s more Davos and Stannis talking about him. So he’d be brought to Dragonstone just so that Davos could ship him off to gods know where a couple of episodes later. And how would Melissandre know about him, or where he is? Letting her travel through the burning riverlands doesn’t seem too realistic either.

  101. Mormegil
    Posted March 16, 2013 at 9:36 pm | Permalink

    Looking at the Stannis/Mel scene it looks like one of them has either just arrived on Dragonstone or is about to leave.

    It could well be Mel going to collect Gendry after seeing him in the flames.

  102. Shock Me Sane
    Posted March 16, 2013 at 9:37 pm | Permalink

    Glad team Stannis is actually a little more in this one. I don’t think its a spoiler to ask… does anyone think the voiceover they are using for Melisandre right there is going to be a condensed version of her speech about the final battle having begun and man’s hour on the earth about to end? I don’t recall her ever actually using the term “the darkness that swallows the dawn.” But then, my memory isn’t perfect.

  103. Hounded
    Posted March 16, 2013 at 9:38 pm | Permalink

    House Snow,

    Ahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh good idea! Hmmm maybe….

  104. Darquemode
    Posted March 16, 2013 at 9:41 pm | Permalink

    Mormegil,

    Could be….
    Plot wise I think what you’re saying makes more sense, but personally I would love (and hate) to see the drama of Mel taking Gendry while Arya fights or is forced to watch etc….

  105. Lin Beifunk
    Posted March 16, 2013 at 9:49 pm | Permalink

    This trailer made me pregnant.

  106. Sky Aero
    Posted March 16, 2013 at 9:51 pm | Permalink

    Yago,

    It wouldn’t F up the Book storyline. Because as you said E Storm’s part is only minor.

  107. Darquemode
    Posted March 16, 2013 at 9:53 pm | Permalink

    Yago,

    I can understand how Melisandre would know aout him… R’hllor knows all and could show her Gendry in the flames easily enough, but it does seem to conflict with later arcs….He would have to escape or be saved by Davos as Edric was, but how/why would Gendry end up at the Inn at the Crossroads, one of the more busy and well known Inns on Westeros in Season 5?

    Like every slight tweak, it could lead to bigger issues later down the road for sure.

    Sky Aero,

    It would not mess up the Edric story as much as Brienne’s AFfC arc when Gendry rescues her from Biter at the Inn at the Crossroads.

  108. Yago
    Posted March 16, 2013 at 9:57 pm | Permalink

    Sky Aero,

    I didn’t mean Edric’s storyline, I meant Gendry’s. I’ve got a feeling there’s still some part he has to play in WoW or DoS.

  109. Zack
    Posted March 16, 2013 at 9:58 pm | Permalink

    Why does time always seem to pass more slowly the closer one gets to an anticipated event?

    I think any question of HBO’s marketing savvy has got to be dismissed at this point. Billions of trailers, before their time, not fully cooked with the effects and whatnot…doesn’t really seem like a good idea. But now that the start is almost upon us, and anticipation is building, they’re milking it for all they can get.

    These have all been very nice trailers.

  110. WildSeed
    Posted March 16, 2013 at 10:04 pm | Permalink

    Winter Is Coming:
    I like that the Robb beheading Karstark scene is in the pouring rain. It mirrors the Theon beheading Ser Rodrick scene, only Robb will prove to be more competent and will make it a quick, clean death.

    Ouch !

  111. House Snow
    Posted March 16, 2013 at 10:10 pm | Permalink

    . Why would it mess up Gendry story. Hell maybe they can take Gendry with them toward the wall and he can escape or something. Season 5 is a long way away. Plus I think people are going to have to get semi used to the idea of the show coming up with tricks to keep people on the show through the long periods where they are off screen in the books. I don’t think you can keep many characters off screen, unless its really necessary like Rickon, for more than a year.

  112. Hexonx
    Posted March 16, 2013 at 10:13 pm | Permalink

    Wow, this is as close as you’re going to get to movie level production on TV. The wildling camp looks amazing. This season is going to be full of iconic moments.

  113. Mursk
    Posted March 16, 2013 at 10:16 pm | Permalink

    I don’t think that guy looks anything like the actor playing Thoros. It’s just a Queensman or some other Stannis soldier/bannerman. Look at the facial features. The nose is all wrong, the brow is different.

    Arya is screaming at The Hound. This is where she points out that he is guilty of murder, he murdered the butcher’s boy. And that’s when Dondarrion gives him his trial by combat.

  114. Nezzer
    Posted March 16, 2013 at 10:17 pm | Permalink

    House Snow:
    . Why would it mess up Gendry story.Hell maybe they can take Gendry with them toward the wall and he can escape or something.Season 5 is a long way away.Plus I think people are going to have to get semi used to the idea ofthe show coming up with tricks to keep people on the show through the long periods where they are off screen in the books.I don’t think you can keep many characters off screen, unless its really necessary like Rickon,for more than a year.

    I don’t know. Gendry becomes a really minor character after ASoS. I like the idea of him replacing Edric. I think Martin shouldn’t have diminished Gendry’s importance as a royal bastard with a price in his head in the books. I always thought his role was going to be expanded and he would become much more important, but then he was cast aside. It would also be good to keep Stannis’s arc tied to others’ instead of his isolation in the first half of the book. I just hope they handle this well instead of what they did to Dany’s storyline in season 2. Well though change, but poorly made.

  115. Lord Greenleaf
    Posted March 16, 2013 at 10:18 pm | Permalink

    Was that CH holding an axe at :38?

  116. Erik
    Posted March 16, 2013 at 10:21 pm | Permalink

    Nezzer
    I don’t know. Gendry becomes a really minor character after ASoS. I like the idea of him replacing Edric. I think Martin shouldn’t have diminished Gendry’s importance as a royal bastard with a price in his head in the books. I always thought his role was going to be expanded and he would become much more important, but then he was cast aside. It would also be good to keep Stannis’s arc tied to others’ instead of his isolation in the first half of the book. I just hope they handle this well instead of what they did to Dany’s storyline in season 2. Well though change, but poorly made.

      

    Also if Gendry replaces Edric he could be whisked away by Davos across the narrow sea and eventually meet Arya there. Martin made a comment in an interview I saw on here to the effect of “little changes the producers make now might cause larger diversions form the books later on.”

  117. CaroH
    Posted March 16, 2013 at 10:26 pm | Permalink

    There is a scene with Arya at some small house in the woods or at an inn with a sword in her hands.
    I really really hope that they didn’t move her and the Hound’s fight against Gregor’s man to episode 10 or something and have her abandon Sandor so early on. That other scene with SAndor fghting in the woods could unfortunately be him fighting his brother0s men or something… But i hope they don’t have that in episode 10 cause there will never be enough room for her interactions with the Hound, and they surely have to put some in S4?

  118. KingJon
    Posted March 16, 2013 at 10:35 pm | Permalink

    That is without a doubt Thoros in that cave with Melisandre. Take note of the sword hilt. It’s exactly the same as the hilt you see in pictures of Thoros. Large silver “ball” at the end with silver rings along the handle.

  119. René
    Posted March 16, 2013 at 10:38 pm | Permalink

    Looks like the cave-scene is going to be the first time that Jon breaks his oath with Ygritte’ s help as opposed to the books in which that already happened often.

  120. theonetruebastard
    Posted March 16, 2013 at 10:38 pm | Permalink

    ok guys i know this sounds crazy but i have been dissecting this trailer shot for shot and i shi* you guys not that in the scene with REEK tied up, look at his left foot, tell me it doesnt look like it is missing, please someone tell me im not crazy……………………….OH AND MIND BLOWWWWWWWNNNNNNN

  121. Anguissette1979
    Posted March 16, 2013 at 10:41 pm | Permalink

    theonetruebastard,

    By jove I think you might be right… screencap from Tumblr here: http://wicnet.tumblr.com/image/45544255927

    The left foot seems to be missing and the left leg is tied to the X higher up than the right leg. Sucks to be Theon.

    EDIT: *unless* his left foot is IN something attached to the X. That’s the only other explanation I can come up with.

  122. Tom O' Sevens
    Posted March 16, 2013 at 10:45 pm | Permalink

    Arya shouting “burn in hell!” when she first sees the Hound this season! Epic. Hope she still yells, “kill him!” Like in the book : )

  123. the goat
    Posted March 16, 2013 at 10:46 pm | Permalink

    Jousting & crying

  124. KingJon
    Posted March 16, 2013 at 10:49 pm | Permalink

    At 7 seconds in… what is Tyrion looking at in that box? could it be a certain body part from a certain relative?

  125. Turncloak
    Posted March 16, 2013 at 10:53 pm | Permalink

    CaroH,
    My thoughts: The Hound kidnaps Arya in episode 5 after his battle with the Beric and then Arya reclaim needle at the inn of the crossroads in episode 10. 5 episodes of Arya/Hound interaction is more than enough ;]. Season 4 we will see her in Braavos as they can easily move up that storyline.

  126. Turncloak
    Posted March 16, 2013 at 10:57 pm | Permalink

    Mursk: Arya is screaming at The Hound. This is where she points out that he is guilty of murder, he murdered the butcher’s boy. And that’s when Dondarrion gives him his trial by combat.

    Pretty shocking how so many people quickly forget that Arya HATES the Hound for killing Mikah the butchers boy in Season 1. Cannot wait for the 31st!!!

  127. The Instrumentalist
    Posted March 16, 2013 at 10:59 pm | Permalink

    CaroH,

    I think it really depends where they place the RW. If it’s episode 9, we would have a greater chance of Arya and the Hound still together into S4. Then in ep 10 we would perhaps see the wolf dream and them continuing to travel together, and the “gold in the village scene” sometime next season. On the other hand, they may wish to show Arya getting her needle back in the last episode to instill more hope for the next season. It’s really a toss up, I kinda wouldn’t mind either way. Though I love Sandor, I want to see that scene!!

  128. Turncloak
    Posted March 16, 2013 at 11:00 pm | Permalink

    In regards to Gendry taking Edric Storm’s place: it certainly looks like the show is going that route, with what looks like Stannis getting ready to sail with Melisandre

  129. Turncloak
    Posted March 16, 2013 at 11:01 pm | Permalink

    The Instrumentalist,

    RW has been confirmed for Episode 9 several months ago ; ]

  130. Anguissette1979
    Posted March 16, 2013 at 11:02 pm | Permalink

    Transcript for those who need it :) It was an excuse for me to watch it *again*

    Jorah: There’s a beast in every man and it stirs when you put a sword in his hand.

    Robb: I’ve won every battle, but I’m losing this war.

    Arya: BURN IN HELL!!11!!1

    Tyrion: I’ve bled in the mud for our family.

    Stannis: My enemies think they’ve destroyed me. They’re laughing at me.

    Varys: He would see this country burn if he could be King of the ashes.

    Mance: Why do you want to join us, Jon Snow?

    Jon: I want to be free.

    Mance: I think what you want most of all is to be a hero.

    Melisandre: Death is coming for everyone and everything. A darkness that will swallow the dawn. We can stop it, you and I.

  131. dogs
    Posted March 16, 2013 at 11:05 pm | Permalink

    Mursk,

    Sword on back (like someone else pointed out: little thing on hilt), red chain mail, reddish leather sleeves, balding hairline with long hair at the sides, same kind of beard. You can even kind of make out the scars on his forehead. I don’t know. Kind of convinced me after I compared some photos.
    I’m intrigued now. Although, if this is Thoros then Melissandre is probably going to suffer from the jet pack thing this season. Teleport into hidden headquarters through miles of war zone, teleport out with a wanted Baratheon bastard back through Lannister territory to Dragonstone?

  132. Rhaego
    Posted March 16, 2013 at 11:13 pm | Permalink

    best trailer by far if you read the books… no room for blinking still no luck in terms of a tease for … the 31st can’t get here fast enough

  133. Greg
    Posted March 16, 2013 at 11:14 pm | Permalink

    Anguissette1979,

    I actually think it looks like it’s in something.

  134. Stannisdoes not bend
    Posted March 16, 2013 at 11:15 pm | Permalink

    Luthien: That is very strange, since it certainly appears to be Thoros.

    Very interested about the random Wight with axe.

    And wow, the Jon-Ygritte cave scene is going to be … intense.

      

    I personally think that Arya is shouting at the Hound either when she first sees him or when he apparently kills Beric

  135. Big Lob
    Posted March 16, 2013 at 11:17 pm | Permalink

    Sky Aero: Conleth Hill

  136. grrm
    Posted March 16, 2013 at 11:21 pm | Permalink

    hjbwjh

  137. Anguissette1979
    Posted March 16, 2013 at 11:23 pm | Permalink

    Greg,

    The more I look at it, the more I think you are right.I keep trying to find logic in it (Why?!?! Why is the left foot in something and not the right?) but I really need to just let it go and get some sleep instead of hitting F5 every minute on here. ;-)

  138. Turncloak
    Posted March 16, 2013 at 11:24 pm | Permalink

    Actually, I’m not seeing the Thoros resemblance at all at 0:44. Don’t think thats him. Can someone confirm who that is behind Mel in that shot?

  139. Turncloak
    Posted March 16, 2013 at 11:26 pm | Permalink

    Also, how about a GIF of Jaime unsheathing that sword in the wic tumblr please :-]

  140. House Snow
    Posted March 16, 2013 at 11:26 pm | Permalink

    I don’t think the foot is missing. It looks like there is some kind of footrest there. Plus it makes no sense to cut off his foot

  141. Yes I Have Your Axe
    Posted March 16, 2013 at 11:31 pm | Permalink

    KingJon:
    At 7 seconds in… what is Tyrion looking at in that box? could it be a certain body part from a certain relative?

    Exactly what I was thinking.

  142. unsullied
    Posted March 16, 2013 at 11:31 pm | Permalink

    best trailer yet…Arya’s reaction is priceless … I know they want to keep it underwraps but I wish they would at least tease RW with some overturned tables … i’ll even settle for an out of context shot of jingle bell… cmon HBO can’t wait for the 31st

  143. Turncloak
    Posted March 16, 2013 at 11:36 pm | Permalink

    One thing that interests the crap out of me. If Jon is actually the son of Ashara Dayne and Ned and not R+L. how sick would it be if he somehow reclaims Ser Arthur Dayne’s sword “Dawn” in the future? Also, since I think that sword was originally a White Walker sword that could make things exciting! Dawn shares many similarities to a White Walker blade

  144. Turncloak
    Posted March 16, 2013 at 11:37 pm | Permalink

    Yes I Have Your Axe: ox? could it be a certain body part from a certain relative?

    What relative? Am I missing something here?

  145. Nezzer
    Posted March 16, 2013 at 11:37 pm | Permalink

    Turncloak: What relative? Am I missing something here?

    Jaime’s hand.

  146. Joshua Taylor
    Posted March 16, 2013 at 11:39 pm | Permalink

    Yes I was right about Gorman’s role. Now is that Stephanie Blacker’s Violet in his arms? We shall see.

  147. Jackol
    Posted March 16, 2013 at 11:41 pm | Permalink

    Speculation on Theon:
    Flaying is such a gruesome technique that they really can’t show much of it (or the aftermath of it) on TV, even HBO.

    I think there’ll be a small amount of flaying just to get the audience to the appropriate amount of disgust and horror, but they may choose amputation to show his ongoing disfigurement rather than the flaying.

    Not to mention that, as I recall, his genitalia was flayed in the books and that is never making it to screen – perhaps an amputated foot represents this emasculation.

  148. Turncloak
    Posted March 16, 2013 at 11:42 pm | Permalink

    Theon’s foot is still attached, it’s just blocked by that wooden contraption

  149. Ryan Genualdi
    Posted March 16, 2013 at 11:44 pm | Permalink

    Stannisdoes not bend: I personally think that Arya is shouting at the Hound either when she first sees him or when he apparently kills Beric

    Or perhaps The Hound is just being a dick and taunting her with insults about her “foolish” father. I can’t imagine anything else really setting Arya off like that, unless he’s saying shit about her family. Bastard. :P

  150. Turncloak
    Posted March 16, 2013 at 11:45 pm | Permalink

    Nezzer: Jaime’s hand.

    Ahhh DUHHHH lol

  151. Throne To The Wolves
    Posted March 16, 2013 at 11:48 pm | Permalink

    Hello All, First Time Poster, Non-Book Reader

    Loving All these trailers…

    BIG QUESTION(S)

    I’m a non-book Reader but i know about the PW and alot of other stuff that is coming up. My main question is this: Is it possible that they will change the story ALOT by actually keeping the PW casualty alive? Ie — change it to something of a Failed Wedding rather than a PW. I’m wondering if they might do this to maintain the tension in the story, and to keep those viewers who say they’re just waiting for the death of said casuatly to jump ship.

    Personally, i think i’d actually prefer to keep the casualty alive, because it seems like Arya’s storyline will lose alot of tension when that happens — she will be losing her main antagonist. Seems like her vengeance motivation is watered-down with that person removed. Also because the portrayal is excellent and he’s fun to hate.

    Just curious. My guess is they have to keep the PW as is as it would change too much.

    Any thoughts appreciated.

    PS – Hope i covered all the spoilers appropriately.

  152. Caro H
    Posted March 16, 2013 at 11:49 pm | Permalink

    Thanks Turncloak & The Instrumentalist! :)

  153. Ser Lemon Cakes
    Posted March 16, 2013 at 11:49 pm | Permalink

    Shouldn’t it be “burn in hells” not hell? also, Tyrion’s box, perhaps a secret passage?

  154. Darquemode
    Posted March 16, 2013 at 11:50 pm | Permalink

    dogs,

    Ugh the jetpack syndrome! I hated that last year!!!

    On top of that, giving up Gendry is not exactly something a man who is loyal to King Robert would do right? I would think someone who has been a drinking buddy of Robert’s for years would recognize the Baratheon in Gendry on first viewing hm. Maybe his faith would allow him to betray his friend? Not sure it sits well with me….

    Probably not worth putting too much thought into since it is a supposition based on an assumption based on a theory derived from a blurry image. XD

  155. Bryan Cogman
    Posted March 16, 2013 at 11:55 pm | Permalink

    Ser Lemon Cakes,

    Well… the line is “go to hell” (singular) in the book.

  156. Joshua Taylor
    Posted March 16, 2013 at 11:55 pm | Permalink

    Throne To The Wolves,

    I’m not sure how much you’ve been spoiled so I’ll be as vague as possible but still warn you of slight spoilers anyway: After season 3 non reader fans will join their hatred with reader fans for one or two villains WORSE than Joffrey.

  157. Joshua Taylor
    Posted March 16, 2013 at 11:57 pm | Permalink

    Darquemode,

    Also the supposition that the show will ever acknowledge him as Robert’s drinking buddy.

    Regarding the jetpack syndrome. Rewatching season 2, particularly episode 6 when LF visits Tywin (Great scene btw: Ilove how Tywin does not hide his contempt) LF mentions that he will ride this evening suggesting to me that he is on horse alone. Maybe one or two guards escorting him. It is possible to move across great distances on a road system and on horseback especially when not riding out with a caravan. If LF arrived and left in Harrenhal the same night then he would have to ride to to Highgarden. So it is possible. Alas, the show assumed viewers wouldn’t notice (or didn’t care) of how the passing of time over the following episodes would be so confused. I don’t envy screenwriters at all. Maybe they wrote a scene or two and a vote was taken by the production team to scrap it. Who knows.

  158. Dan
    Posted March 16, 2013 at 11:57 pm | Permalink

    Jackol,

    Um. I take it you never saw Oz? I still have horrible nightmares about a scene between Vern Schillinger and Franklin Winthrop! lol

    Trust me. Flaying is a cakewalk….

  159. Ser Lemoncakes
    Posted March 16, 2013 at 11:58 pm | Permalink

    Bryan Cogman:
    Ser Lemon Cakes,

    Well… the line is “go to hell” (singular) in the book.

    Ha! owned by B Cogs! Thanks, I could not remember. Perhaps only The Stranger has dominion over one hell,? (or perhaps I am over thinking it :)

  160. Dan
    Posted March 17, 2013 at 12:00 am | Permalink

    Turncloak,

    I think it was just some extra playing one of the Florents. He looks like Paul Kaye (Thoros) and it might’ve been placed in there as such to get everyone talking.

    I think that they cast someone to play Edric Storm…

  161. Turncloak
    Posted March 17, 2013 at 12:16 am | Permalink

    Dan,

    Yup I don’t think thats Thoros. But, actually no one was cast to play Edric Storm. That’s way many are speculating it can be Gendry that takes his place

  162. Turncloak
    Posted March 17, 2013 at 12:17 am | Permalink

    Ser Lemoncakes: Ha! owned by B Cogs! Thanks, I could not remember. Perhaps only The Stranger has dominion over one hell,? (or perhaps I am over thinking it :)

    Cogman for the win! He knows his stuff!!!

  163. Kelly
    Posted March 17, 2013 at 12:24 am | Permalink

    Theon clip looks so awesome. Really pleased to see they’re gonna include his torture in the season

  164. caravaggio
    Posted March 17, 2013 at 12:29 am | Permalink

    Whew! This season looks exactly the way “Storm of Swords” should like on screen! Too excited.

    We will finally get to see the grisly Bolton sigil cruciform in action.

    Also:

    The trailers have been revealing more and more how desperate Robb’s campaign has become. Its bloody end can only be shattering, but heartbreakingly logical.

  165. KingJon
    Posted March 17, 2013 at 12:34 am | Permalink

    11 seconds in… Meera has a dagger to Osha’s throat. Maybe this is her introductory scene. And anyone who thinks that that isn’t Thoros in the cave with Mel needs to make an eye doctor appointment. Not just the armor, but the sword hilt. It’s exactly the same you see in photos of Thoros. To me it makes sense to squeeze in a scene between them. They’re both essentially “prophets” serving the same God and probably on the same mission. Plus, it would help to show the casual viewer that Thoros and Mel serve the same God.

  166. René
    Posted March 17, 2013 at 12:47 am | Permalink

    Jackol,

    Didn’t you see last Sunday’s episode of Girls? That showed that HBO can show anything on TV!

  167. Ed
    Posted March 17, 2013 at 12:51 am | Permalink

    House Snow: Beat you to it, but if two people can simultaneously think the same thing , I think it can have legs.It would actually be a clever way to tie together the stories, get rid of an extra character and extend what is a very sparse Stannis plot.

    Yep, good on you guys – good catch there. You may be right.

  168. Turncloak
    Posted March 17, 2013 at 12:51 am | Permalink

    KingJon:
    11 seconds in… Meera has a dagger to Osha’s throat. Maybe this is her introductory scene. And anyone who thinks that that isn’t Thoros in the cave with Mel needs to make an eye doctor appointment. Not just the armor, but the sword hilt. It’s exactly the same you see in photos of Thoros. To me it makes sense to squeeze in a scene between them. They’re both essentially “prophets” serving the same God and probably on the same mission. Plus, it would help to show the casual viewer that Thoros and Mel serve the same God.

    Sorry I don’t see Thoros at all. The character’s face is quite blurry and doesn’t look like him.

  169. Kelly
    Posted March 17, 2013 at 12:55 am | Permalink

    Hmmmmm, what could 0:23-:24 be?

  170. Hounded
    Posted March 17, 2013 at 12:56 am | Permalink

    Jackol,

    HBO can show flaying don’t you worry about that.

  171. caravaggio
    Posted March 17, 2013 at 1:02 am | Permalink

    KingJon:
    That is without a doubt Thoros in that cave with Melisandre. Take note of the sword hilt. It’s exactly the same as the hilt you see in pictures of Thoros. Large silver “ball” at the end with silver rings along the handle.

    I’ve been reading other speculations on Melisandre whisking Gendry aware for a-burning.

    I wouldn’t be averse to this change. It would work. But what I would be most interested in is what an exchage between Thoros and Melisandre would look like.

    Would they talk about Mel’s agenda? Would they reveal other Red Priest knowledge? It’d be great if the show revealed that Thoros is wary of her, and that even other red priests find Melisandre fanatical and radical.

  172. Jaime Saltcliffe
    Posted March 17, 2013 at 1:21 am | Permalink

    Nezzer,

    Hard to say Gendrys importance to the overall story bc The Brotherhood without Banners is such a wild card to the story. Seems more and more characters are joining their ranks (Brienne and Jaime?). Will they oppose the white walkers or are they both undead? Will they galvanize for Dany in the name of R’hllor? Serious wildcard to ending

  173. Ivory
    Posted March 17, 2013 at 1:21 am | Permalink

    There are so many great things about this trailer! All I can say is wish it’s March 31st already because I cannot wait another day.

  174. Valdred Dethstorm
    Posted March 17, 2013 at 1:30 am | Permalink

    Yeah, I think you all are jumping to conclusions.
    I’ve watched and rewatched and it just looks like a blurry figure. Could be a random red priest or knight or Big Foot for all we know. Maybe his chainmail looks red/orangey because of the fire.

    If it is indeed Thoros of Myr, then color me surprised. I don’t think it makes much sense to be honest.

  175. Megan
    Posted March 17, 2013 at 1:36 am | Permalink

    AWESOME TRAILER. Most excited about Theon/Reek..it even looks like his left leg was cut off. o.O Maisie is so the perfect Arya. I know Dany is one of the fan favorites and all, but non-book readers have been complaining since the end of season 1 about Dany needing to hurry up and get to Westeros. This trailer looks like she’s about to get some serious shit done…but in reality, nothing really happens :\ None of the other people vying for the crown will even know she exists by the end of the season! Speaking of that, I’m glad that it looks like Stannis is getting a more prominent role.

  176. Tyrion Pimpslap
    Posted March 17, 2013 at 1:41 am | Permalink

    Are we still getting the ‘No Mercy’ trailer tomorrow night? I think it was listed as airing the same day as the ‘Beast’ preview. This was more of a shortened trailer. Not complaining, just hoping for a 2 minute trailer tomorrow night.

    Also, it’s hard to argue with that screencap of Thoros behind Melisandre. The chainmail and sword hilt are exactly like the one Thoros is wearing in the photo that was released a couple of months ago. If they do whisk Gendry away to Dragonstone then I believe a lot of book readers will be up in arms. I hope this isn’t the case, but it certainly seems plausible.

  177. Kyrion
    Posted March 17, 2013 at 1:45 am | Permalink

    It looks like Thoros o me aswell. I think the show can do this storyline perfectly. I noticed the baratheon soldier at this point aswell

    http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=10151347345687169&set=a.10151347343762169.1073741827.755877168&type=3&theater

    Wears the armor of Stannis Baratheons troops. Its pretty much a given these are Melissandre’s escorts towards the river lands. Id bank my money on Gendry replacing Edric. Plus it makes sense to keep Stannis’s storyline connected with others. Also in regards to Gendry coming back to the Crossroads inn, this can be done by Davos, after saving him he sends Gendry back to the riverlands. Why not?

  178. KingJon
    Posted March 17, 2013 at 1:50 am | Permalink

    Valdred Dethstorm,

    I don’t know what you guys are watching. If you’re watching an HD version and you pause it when it first appears, it is clearly Thoros. Heck, even look at the green lit entrance in the background. Very similar to screenshots of when the brotherhood brings Arya in.

    Anyway, arguing that it’s Thoros is getting as tiresome as telling people that TV Shae is not going to betray Tyrion. She will take on the role of his first wife and be sent away or killed. Sorry book purists, no betrayal. TV audience has forgotten that Tyrion was ever married.

  179. Turncloak
    Posted March 17, 2013 at 1:52 am | Permalink

    This rains of castamere season 3 trailer is sick. Fan made but still awesome

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VFkGnDTAaHI

  180. Nezzer
    Posted March 17, 2013 at 1:56 am | Permalink

    Tyrion Pimpslap:
    Are we still getting the ‘No Mercy’ trailer tomorrow night? I think it was listed as airing the same day as the ‘Beast’ preview. This was more of a shortened trailer. Not complaining, just hoping for a 2 minute trailer tomorrow night.

    Also, it’s hard to argue with that screencap ofThoros behind Melisandre. The chainmail and sword hilt are exactly like the one Thoros is wearing in the photo that was released a couple of months ago.If they do whisk Gendry away to Dragonstone then I believe a lot of book readers will be up in arms. I hope this isn’t the case, but it certainly seems plausible.

    I am starting to like this possible change; it’s full of benefits if done well. It would make Stannis’s arc less isolated from the rest (and less boring), it would give us an interaction between Thoros and Melisandre (which I have always wanted to see in the books), it would give Gendry back his importance as a royal bastard instead of casting him to the shadows like in the books, and it would maintain Stannis’s personality, as he wouldn’t have to burn his daughter due to the lack of Edric.

    Without an Edric, that’s the best option IMHO.

  181. Turncloak
    Posted March 17, 2013 at 1:58 am | Permalink

    KingJon: I don’t know what you guys are watching. If you’re watching an HD version and you pause it when it first appears, it is clearly Thoros. Heck, even look at the green lit entrance in the background. Very similar to screenshots of when the brotherhood brings Arya in.

    Anyway, arguing that it’s Thoros is getting as tiresome as telling people that TV Shae is not going to betray Tyrion. She will take on the role of his first wife and be sent away or killed. Sorry book purists, no betrayal. TV audience has forgotten that Tyrion was ever married.

    Shae will betray Tyrion if you’ve seen the season 3 episode synopsis. They are setting the table for her to be offed in season 4 just like the book. Also that plot point is too huge since that’s the reason why Jaime helps Tyrion escape.

  182. Nezzer
    Posted March 17, 2013 at 2:00 am | Permalink

    Jaime Saltcliffe,

    Well, he’s still just a smith. There’s nothing else for him to do now.

  183. Tyrion Pimpslap
    Posted March 17, 2013 at 2:00 am | Permalink

    What if all she does is take Gendry’s blood? I’m just worried about what happens to Gendry if Davos sends him away? And why would Thoros just give him away? He fights for the Brotherhood WITHOUT Banners. Why would he help Stannis?

  184. Turncloak
    Posted March 17, 2013 at 2:01 am | Permalink

    Tyrion Pimpslap: and sword hilt are exactly like the one Thoros is wearing in the photo that was released a couple of months ago. If they do whisk Gendry away to Dragonstone then I believe a lot of book readers will be up in arms. I hope this isn’t the case, but it certainly seems plau

    I actually think a lot of readers will approve of the change given the little book time that Gendry has received. We’ll see. I’m a fan of sticking to the cannon material but if changes are done well I’m ok with that too

  185. Luke
    Posted March 17, 2013 at 2:01 am | Permalink

    Lots of talk that Varys is referring to Jofferey or Stannis being king over the ashes, but, if Littlefinger is really headed to the Eyrie to continue his plotting, they could be talking about him too.

    Also is that Tyrion and a certain secret door?

  186. Isabelle
    Posted March 17, 2013 at 2:03 am | Permalink

    Turncloak:
    This rains of castamere season 3 trailer is sick. Fan made but still awesome

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VFkGnDTAaHI

    That was brilliant, especially with the sound effects added in over the music track. Thanks!!

  187. Turncloak
    Posted March 17, 2013 at 2:04 am | Permalink

    KingJon:
    Valdred Dethstorm,

    I don’t know what you guys are watching. If you’re watching an HD version and you pause it when it first appears, it is clearly Thoros. Heck, even look at the green lit entrance in the background. Very similar to screenshots of when the brotherhood brings Arya in.

    Anyway, arguing that it’s Thoros is getting as tiresome as telling people that TV Shae is not going to betray Tyrion. She will take on the role of his first wife and be sent away or killed. Sorry book purists, no betrayal. TV audience has forgotten that Tyrion was ever married.

    Your argument is totally flawed on Shae. You think Shae wont betray Tyrion because the audience has forgotten about Tyrion’s first wife? That’s like saying Beric Dondarion won’t return in season 3 because his name was only mentioned once in season 1. Again you have no inside information about this at all and ur speculation is way off in my opinion

  188. Turncloak
    Posted March 17, 2013 at 2:07 am | Permalink

    Isabelle: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VFkGnDTAaHI

    No Problem! Some people are saying that’s not sound effects. It’s actually a track on the game of thrones season 2 blu ray. Haven’t confirmed this myself yet though.

  189. pntrlqst
    Posted March 17, 2013 at 2:15 am | Permalink

    More fuel for the Gendry taking Edric’s place flames:

    http://winteriscoming.net/2012/06/joe-dempsie-interviewed-reveals-some-s3-info/

    Yes back filming in July. They keep the storylines very closely guarded, so I’ve no idea what’s in store. But the encouraging thing for me is that the producer said to me towards the end of season 2 that although my character isn’t in third book too much, they’re quite open to writing some new storylines for my character, so hopefully I’ll be doing some interesting stuff.

    - Joe Dempsie

  190. Nezzer
    Posted March 17, 2013 at 2:17 am | Permalink

    Turncloak: No Problem! Some people are saying that’s not sound effects. It’s actually a track on the game of thrones season 2 blu ray. Haven’t confirmed this myself yet though.

    It’s from a season 2 trailer included on the S2 French DVD. You can watch it here:
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SBELCQ4xPJU

  191. Turncloak
    Posted March 17, 2013 at 2:23 am | Permalink

    Nezzer,

    Thanks!

  192. Steel_Wind
    Posted March 17, 2013 at 2:28 am | Permalink

    Speculation on Thoros and Mel. The possibilities are:

    1 – It’s not a real scene, it’s a juxtaposition of careful editing;
    2- It’s not Thoros;
    3- It’s a flashback vision (let’s viewer know that they both serve the Red God and have magic powers);
    4- It’s a real-time vision, Mel speaking to Thoros in the flames (let’s reader know that they both serve the Red God. etc.);
    5- It’s a vision in the flames, but one of them is an observer only, they are not talking to one another. but to someone else not present in the shot; and
    6 – It’s an entirely new scene (not a vision), in real time, added to give Mel something new to do in Season 3

    Generally speaking, D&D have decided NOT to do flashbacks in the series, so if it is a flashback that would be a significant departure from their established narrative methodology. I am leaning to Option #4 or #5, but all options are in play.

  193. Isabelle
    Posted March 17, 2013 at 2:33 am | Permalink

    Turncloak: No Problem! Some people are saying that’s not sound effects. It’s actually a track on the game of thrones season 2 blu ray. Haven’t confirmed this myself yet though.

    Nezzer: It’s from a season 2 trailer included on the S2 French DVD. You can watch it here:
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SBELCQ4xPJU

    Thanks to you both! Wherever it was from, I’ve been replaying it like a madwoman. So exhilarating!

  194. JamesL
    Posted March 17, 2013 at 2:34 am | Permalink

    Turncloak,

    At first I thought it would be a horrible change but than I thought about it and remembered that Edric doesn’t actually die and now I think it would actually be a really good change because Gendry won’t have anything to do the 2nd half of the season and it would be too confusing to try and introduce Edric. The storyline would work so much better for TV by using a character the audience already knows and likes. It is also a much better change than what I and a lot of other people thought would happen which was that Shireen would take Edrics place.

  195. KingJon
    Posted March 17, 2013 at 2:36 am | Permalink

    Turncloak,

    That’s not the only reason why. Tyrion kills his father in a passionate murder of revenge for what Tywin did to someone Tyrion loved. And that’s TV Shae, not Tysha as far as the audience can recall. That’s why I believe there will be no betrayal and Shae will be sent away or killed. As for Shae’s testimony at Tyrion’s trial, that will be done by Ros. Sad but true. And as for Jaime’s reason for saving Tyrion, that can be as simple as brotherly love.

  196. Nezzer
    Posted March 17, 2013 at 2:38 am | Permalink

    JamesL:
    Turncloak,

    At first I thought it would be a horrible change but than I thought about it and remembered that Edric doesn’t actually die and now I think it would actually be a really good change because Gendry won’t have anything to do the 2nd half of the season and it would be too confusing to try and introduce Edric. The storyline would work so much better for TV by using a charter the audience already knows and likes.It is also a much better change than what I and a lot of other people thought would happen which was that Shireen would take Edrics place.

    Same here. The idea of Shireen taking Edric’s place had me frightened, as it could completely destroy Stannis’s character. You have no idea how relieved I am because of this almost confirmed change =D

  197. Turncloak
    Posted March 17, 2013 at 2:50 am | Permalink

    KingJon: That’s not the only reason why. Tyrion kills his father in a passionate murder of revenge for what Tywin did to someone Tyrion loved. And that’s TV Shae, not Tysha as far as the audience can recall. That’s why I believe there will be no betrayal and Shae will be sent away or killed. As for Shae’s testimony at Tyrion’s trial, that will be done by Ros. Sad but true. And as for Jaime’s reason for saving Tyrion, that can be as simple as brotherly love.

    Sad but true? Ur just speculating man. Shae’s betrayal will be even sweeter now that fans like her

  198. Selmy
    Posted March 17, 2013 at 3:02 am | Permalink

    Wow, this website sure ain’t a spoiler free zone.

    The riders we saw in the first trailer, who some think they are Ironborn. I think those are Bolton men on the hunt for Theon. Theon has to have a story arch this season, and him escaping with or without Kyra seems plausible. There is a rider in this Beast trailer as well, and one in the woods who is riding as fast as he can in the first trailer.

  199. KingJon
    Posted March 17, 2013 at 3:04 am | Permalink

    Turncloak,

    I’m making an educated guess. The straw that broke Tyrion’s back was finding out his father ruined his marriage to Tysha. That’s what made him go up to his solar and confront him. Do you really think D&D are going to waste precious screen time to reintroduce the audience to Tysha? Why? So Jaime has a reason to help him? You have it backwards. Tyrion’s murder of his father will be all the sweeter now that fans are rooting for him and Shae. And after his escape, Shae will be that ghost Tyrion is chasing.

  200. Lin Beifunk
    Posted March 17, 2013 at 3:04 am | Permalink

    Think Gendry will find out his father was more than just a guy who banged a tavern wench? Maybe not, because he is a little dense (though awesome), but if so: I wonder how that will affect the plot.

  201. JamesL
    Posted March 17, 2013 at 3:13 am | Permalink

    I wonder who the Hound is swinging at at :47 because it is outside and at daytime so it is not his fight with Beric

  202. Selmy
    Posted March 17, 2013 at 3:19 am | Permalink

    KingJon:
    Turncloak,

    That’s not the only reason why. Tyrion kills his father in a passionate murder of revenge for what Tywin did to someone Tyrion loved. And that’s TV Shae, not Tysha as far as the audience can recall. That’s why I believe there will be no betrayal and Shae will be sent away or killed. As for Shae’s testimony at Tyrion’s trial, that will be done by Ros. Sad but true. And as for Jaime’s reason for saving Tyrion, that can be as simple as brotherly love.

    What? What are D&D going to answer when asked this question: why didn’t Tyrion kill Shae like in the books?

    ”Well, hum… we thought that it was a change that needed to be done. Shae being likeable, live and screw Tyrion’s ADWD story is much more compelling and interesting to watch.”

    Believe me, with the 200+ characters on this show and the ever increasing list, I think D&D won’t hesitate killing a character, making for some great TV moments and staying true to the source material all at the same time.

  203. KingJon
    Posted March 17, 2013 at 3:22 am | Permalink

    JamesL,

    Good catch. This could be when he’s captured, or just an added scene of him slaughtering fools. I hope for the latter.

  204. charles
    Posted March 17, 2013 at 3:34 am | Permalink

    It’s Mel is with Thoros. It’s the same actor:

    Thoros of Myr actor:
    http://cdn1.screenrant.com/wp-content/uploads/Game-of-Thrones-Thoros-of-Myr.jpg

    From FB page and screencap of trailer:
    http://sphotos-a.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-ash3/75049_10151347348687169_1340962643_n.jpg

  205. KingJon
    Posted March 17, 2013 at 3:36 am | Permalink

    Selmy,

    TV adaptions contain many shortcuts. Scenes and characters are cut and/or combined all the time. With the way things have played out so far, it make no sense for them to try and bring the Tysha arc back in when they already have the Shae arc set. I know it’s still possible that TV Shae will betray him, and they can use that as a motivator for Tyrion to become a kinslayer, but I don’t see it. That’s too weak. And I don’t see them bringing up the Tysha story as motivation either, that’s old and weak. Only thing that’s fresh is his love for Shae. And when his father meddles in his affairs again and does something with Shae, that’s what drives Tyrion to do what he does.

  206. B
    Posted March 17, 2013 at 3:48 am | Permalink

    I had never seen that movie. DON’T ever want to, but I watched this clip over and over balling up with laughter about your comment. That is exactly how I feel.
    Alex Dubrovsky,

  207. The Bear
    Posted March 17, 2013 at 3:49 am | Permalink

    KingJon,

    Oh, I hope not. I’m very much looking forward to seeing the scene when Jaime finally reveals to Tyrion the truth about Tysha. I think it will make for an excellent and extremely emotional scene leading up to an epic conclusion of season 4.

  208. Grijnwaald
    Posted March 17, 2013 at 3:52 am | Permalink

    SCREEEEEEEEE!!!!!!11!!one!!11!!eleven!!

    This trailer made me feel all emotions at once! I need milk of the poppy to put me to sleep untill the first episode!

    Judging by Maisie’s performance of those three words “BURN IN HELL!!!” it really wouldn’t surprise me if she is on to Emmy or Golden Globe awards. Amaisieing……..get it? Lol

  209. ScottsdaleSam
    Posted March 17, 2013 at 4:02 am | Permalink

    The meeting between Mel and Thoros sounds like an interesting change. Since the TV audience doesn’t really know Thoros and how he was a jolly, fat, drunk, not-very-serious priest, this could be the way for the show to introduce the idea that he’s a changed man since dragons came back. Mel could comment on how much Thoros has changed and we could get some background on the Red God’s power to reanimate Belric.

  210. zod
    Posted March 17, 2013 at 4:04 am | Permalink

    Quorin Halfhand,

    Overreacting much?

    This is the only “bashing” you got back then:

    Omg this is just video editing man. Ofcourse thoros and Mel are not in the same scene

  211. KingJon
    Posted March 17, 2013 at 4:06 am | Permalink

    The Bear,

    I agree Bear. But I just can’t see it going down like in the book. As we can recall there were a few awesome Arya scenes that never made it to season two. And that future scene with the hound at the inn may lose its punch because of changes on the show. Sad but true.

  212. Jamie B
    Posted March 17, 2013 at 4:13 am | Permalink

    I may have to find a way to black out for the next two weeks. Ahem.

    OT, but very much in the “good things” box: GoT is killing it in the merchandising stakes.

  213. Isabelle
    Posted March 17, 2013 at 4:20 am | Permalink

    Okay, funniest bit is at the 41-second mark–Ygritte is masterfully undressing for Jon and there’s Longclaw on the left, just hanging out. I giggled quite loudly. Oh the things you notice when you’re re-watching something for the umpteenth time.

  214. The_Rabbit
    Posted March 17, 2013 at 4:25 am | Permalink

    Winter Is Coming:
    OK, it’s official. This season is going to be amazing. C’mon March 31!!

    This! Nothing more to add!

  215. Joan Català
    Posted March 17, 2013 at 4:29 am | Permalink

    I’m not convinced with the Edric/Gendry theory. At this point in the series nobody knows where Gendry is (and he doesn’t even know he’s a royal bastard). How convenient would it appear (a bit too much for HBO standards) for Melisandre to suddenly show up and snatch him away for the Lord of Light, especially when there are no previous hints as to her interest in him.

    I think some decent exposition can be done on Melisandre’s religion by showing she’s not the only priest/ess there is out there. As some have said, maybe it’s some sort of communication through the flames, or a like a remote vision or something.

    And let’s not forget she’s to sail North with Stannis at the end of the season, probably in the finale (if not my bet is Ep8.) Does she have time for a road trip half across Westeros and back? That’d be silly.

  216. Molda
    Posted March 17, 2013 at 4:35 am | Permalink

    Another good trailer but i think the shot with one of the dragons flying towards the ship is bit overused. I’ve seen it like 100 times in every single promotional video they’ve showed so far :D Even though i like dragons and i like how they did them, i don’t want to see that shot anymore, enough is enough :D

  217. AdrianAegon
    Posted March 17, 2013 at 4:36 am | Permalink

    I knew it!! I’ve told you in the previous post they are gonna surprise us once more!!

    The trailer is beyond awesome… there are no words! I’m too excited! 14 days!

  218. Lux
    Posted March 17, 2013 at 5:01 am | Permalink

    ebevan91: As a straight male, I’ve always thought Dillane is quite handsome. And yeah Carise is definitely hot too :D

    Nikolaj’s more my type (AND so talented, makes him evn hotter) and yeah as a straight woman, Carice is beautiful, I already loved “Black Book”; and having sported red hair for years I can only love her Melisandre.. xD — God this season better live up to our expectations, it looks AWESOME

  219. zod
    Posted March 17, 2013 at 5:36 am | Permalink

    Joan Català: And let’s not forget she’s to sail North with Stannis at the end of the season, probably in the finale (if not my bet is Ep8.) Does she have time for a road trip half across Westeros and back? That’d be silly.

    Where did you get the idea that they have to sail North at the end of the season? The Battle at the Wall is going to be the big battle of season 4. I guess it will happen in S04E09, not before.

    They don’t have to show Stannis leaving for the North that early, really.

  220. zod
    Posted March 17, 2013 at 5:47 am | Permalink

    zod,

    Just to be clear: when I said that the Battle at the Wall is probably going to happen in S04e09, I was talking about Stannis’ intervention, of course.

  221. ryra
    Posted March 17, 2013 at 5:53 am | Permalink

    CaroH:
    There is a scene with Arya at some small house in the woods or at an inn with a sword in her hands.
    I really really hope that they didn’t move her and the Hound’s fight against Gregor’s man to episode 10 or something and have her abandon Sandor so early on. That other scene with SAndor fghting in the woods could unfortunately be him fighting his brother0s men or something… But i hope they don’t have that in episode 10 cause there will never be enough room for her interactions with the Hound, and they surely have to put some in S4?

    I absolutely agree with you, tha’s exactly what I fear the most, I don’t want them to reduce the awesome, awesome Sandor/Arya interections to only ONE episode :(

    Even if he captures her in ep.5, the moments of the two of them in the forest should take place after the RW, which means after ep.9
    Well, I’ll pray the Red God for them to move those scenes in season 4 ;)

  222. Juego de tronos
    Posted March 17, 2013 at 5:57 am | Permalink

    Wow! I love it

  223. Benoit
    Posted March 17, 2013 at 6:02 am | Permalink

    KingJon,

    I am 100% sure that they know what they do with Shae character, that she will betray Tyrion, and that he will kill her. Saying that, that means that the treason will be even more hard for Tyrion than in the book, it should be by far more tragic. Consequently, I am really looking forward to season 4, but first to see how their relationship changes during season 3. Since they changed the character in season 1, I have high hopes that they have a plan (Cylon mode)

  224. zod
    Posted March 17, 2013 at 6:05 am | Permalink

    Benoit,

    Tyrion’s marriage to Sansa will probably play a role in Shae’s decision to betray him.

  225. Benoit
    Posted March 17, 2013 at 6:10 am | Permalink

    I want to excuse myself for the spoilers of my previous post. I forgot that they were spoilers in fact… My sincere apologies.

  226. Benoit
    Posted March 17, 2013 at 6:14 am | Permalink

    charles,

    You totally nailed it! Well done! That will make an interesting scene!

  227. zod
    Posted March 17, 2013 at 6:20 am | Permalink

    Benoit,

    Wild guess: Melisandre’s speech at the end of this trailer is probably from her scene with Thoros. Trying to convince him to let her take Gendry, maybe.

  228. Zoltán
    Posted March 17, 2013 at 6:30 am | Permalink

    Again, no Davos, no Sam, no Ramsay…

  229. Joan Català
    Posted March 17, 2013 at 6:43 am | Permalink

    zod,

    In my opinion Season 4 will end with Jon being chosen as Lord Commander. What else do you propose they do at the Wall during the whole of season 4? My guess is that Stannis will arrive in Eps 4/5, after we’ve seen some fighting between Mance and the Night’s Watch, and after Slynt and Thorne imprison Jon for a turncloak.

  230. Grijnwaald
    Posted March 17, 2013 at 6:47 am | Permalink

    ryra: I absolutely agree with you, tha’s exactly what I fear the most, I don’t want them to reduce the awesome, awesome Sandor/Arya interections to only ONE episode :(

    Even if he captures her in ep.5, the moments of the two of them in the forest should take place after the RW, which means after ep.9
    Well, I’ll pray the Red God for them to move those scenes in season 4 ;)

    Use the fucking spoiler tags please

  231. Mags Giantsbabe
    Posted March 17, 2013 at 6:51 am | Permalink

    Turncloak:
    One thing that interests the crap out of me. If Jon is actually the son of Ashara Dayne and Ned and not R+L. how sick would it be if he somehow reclaims Ser Arthur Dayne’s sword “Dawn” in the future? Also, since I think that sword was originally a White Walker sword that could make things exciting! Dawn shares many similarities to a White Walker blade

    Nice one ;). Although I hope R+L=J is true, Jon could still be part of prophecy as Ashara’s son. Isn’t she Targaryean? How did you learn that Dawn is a White Walker blade? That’s awesome. I keep wondering about Longclaw’s history as well. All we really know is that the Mormonts kept it for five centuries. But where does it really come from? I don’t think the theory that Theon could be Azor Ahai is far-fetched, but I would be dissappointed if it wasn’t Jon.

  232. Mags Giantsbabe
    Posted March 17, 2013 at 6:52 am | Permalink

    This trailer gave me goosebumps :)

  233. Friend of Fire
    Posted March 17, 2013 at 6:55 am | Permalink

    KingJon,

    i hate all the Lannister characters except Tyrion but i have to say in the books and the show Jamie seems to have genuine care (dare i say love ) for his brother imp.

  234. Grijnwaald
    Posted March 17, 2013 at 7:00 am | Permalink

    Apologies for being rude but I kick myself for even going on this website when bits of plot is spoiled for me when it’s clearly stated that spoiler tags can be used.

    It’s not difficult folks.

  235. Friend of Fire
    Posted March 17, 2013 at 7:01 am | Permalink

    i live in Bermuda and i have to say that the show is seriously reaching people who have no interest in books period let alone fantasy books, i would be willing to wager that this season will garner a large non fantasy mainstream audience the world over. i hope HBO GO becomes available internationally this year too that will have huge effect on overall viewing numbers, and to think i once was as disinterested in fantasy as fish are in going to mars God i love this series.

  236. Al Swearengen
    Posted March 17, 2013 at 7:10 am | Permalink

    I can’t wait.

  237. gisizzlah
    Posted March 17, 2013 at 7:14 am | Permalink

    I guess Hbo knew how to build the hype so close to the premiere…… we’ll played Hbo…. well played….

  238. dragonreborn
    Posted March 17, 2013 at 7:17 am | Permalink

    anyone noticed the blood stain on a certain place of theons pants?

  239. Hollyoak
    Posted March 17, 2013 at 7:27 am | Permalink

    The Flayed Man:
    I’ve screencapped the entire thing, if anyone is interested and wants an extremely close look!

    http://www.facebook.com/media/set/?set=a.10151347343762169.1073741827.755877168&type=1&l=1e0150e7ae

    Nice screengrabs, Flayed Man. Do we really think that one shot is Coldhands?

  240. Walder Wight
    Posted March 17, 2013 at 7:32 am | Permalink

    Could this be our first glimpse of Ramsay Snow?

  241. zod
    Posted March 17, 2013 at 7:37 am | Permalink

    Joan Català,

    There’s plenty of stuff for Jon to do:

    - Organising the defense of Castleblack.
    - Leading the battle of Castleblack.
    - Leading the Battle at the Wall: wildlings vs NW
    - Imprisoned by Janos Slynt and Aliser Thorne.
    - Sent out to treat with Mance Rayder.

    And you can still end the season with him being nominated as Lord Commander. I don’t see the problem at all.

    Allow me to return the question now: If Stannis arrives at the Wall in episode 5, like you say.. what do you propose they do in episodes 6-9? And what would be the climax of season 4 then?

  242. ACVG
    Posted March 17, 2013 at 7:49 am | Permalink

    mpn1010,

    ollenna does interact with varys but “off text”when they meet with sansa they say that they know she loves lemon cakes b/c of varys and that he seemed to think that they should be greateful for that information

    i love maisly “burn in hell”

  243. ryra
    Posted March 17, 2013 at 7:51 am | Permalink

    Grijnwaald: Use the fucking spoiler tags please

    I’m really sorry, I was sure I did, unfortunately I cannot edit my message any more. Sorry again :(

  244. Dan
    Posted March 17, 2013 at 7:58 am | Permalink

    What if they have Hot Pie sticking around and thus taking over certain things that book Gendry did?

  245. Hollyoak
    Posted March 17, 2013 at 8:28 am | Permalink

    If I hadn’t read the books, as excited as I would be to see all these trailers and want to share my excitement with fans, I STILL would not venture into ANY message boards.

    WIC and its fan community is pretty good at the spoiler bars, but still…Be careful for God’s sake! Huge spoiler follows:

    When my buddy Rob gets whacked, I wonder what the music will be? Will it be a remix of the Rains of Castamere, or the Stark Winter is Coming theme? Whatever it is, music will play a great part in it. I can tell you now, I will weep like a BABY!

  246. Michael Harper
    Posted March 17, 2013 at 8:55 am | Permalink

    Hollyoak,

    I’m hoping that the version of The Rains of Castamere by The National. A couple of months ago, I was driving home from the Isle of Skye. It was about 6:00 in the evening, and the sky was extremely dark and cloudy. It was raining! And I had the Game of Thrones: Season 2 soundtrack playing. When The Rains of Castamere came on, the feeling of driving throughout the highlands in the rain was so atmospheric, that I just started imaging the Red Wedding. And, I think it will be so dark, moody, and somber with The National’s version! So, that’s what I’m hoping for.

  247. Josla
    Posted March 17, 2013 at 8:58 am | Permalink

    Amazing trailer. Can’t wait! Anyone remember what happen to the night’s watch traitors? Do they get their due? Are they successful and escape all justice?

  248. zod
    Posted March 17, 2013 at 9:13 am | Permalink

    Josla,

    Wild guess #2: From what we’ve seen in the trailers, I think Rast will die this season.

    Here’s how I see it playing out: Rast chases Sam through the woods after Mormont’s death: http://25.media.tumblr.com/f1ae76b62dea376f62f672b884e752c8/tumblr_minrcnhKxd1r9h4heo1_r1_1280.jpg

    But he is killed at the last moment by a WW (the one we see walking through the woods in the trailers): http://25.media.tumblr.com/746822bfc8dc784d2a065ed826a969b3/tumblr_minsyngrsF1r9h4heo2_500.jpg

    The WW then chases Sam. And Sam kills it.. earning his nickname.

  249. JamesL
    Posted March 17, 2013 at 9:31 am | Permalink

    CaroH,

    Most of her stuff with the Hound happens before the RW not after it. Fighting Gregors men is the only thing they do together after the RW so why wouldn’t they put that in episode 10.

  250. Jared
    Posted March 17, 2013 at 9:39 am | Permalink

    Wow, after months of promotional silence, they’re really doing an excellent job of providing fresh and exciting footage with every new promo – to go along with the old staples, course. If they want to include that shot of Beric lighting his sword on fire and the one of the dragon swooping in over Dany’s ship in every single trailer, that’s fine by me. It never gets old.

    Highlights of the new trailer: Jaime’s taunting smile as he pulls a sword on Brienne (NCW embodies the Kingslayer). Robb beheading Karstark. Arya screaming at the Hound. Varys squaring off against the Queen of Thorns. First shot of Meera Reed. The cave. And … everything else.

    Count me among those who would have no problem if D&D end up having Melisandre come to the BWB to collect Gendry and substitute him for the absent Edric Storm.I actually think it’s a good change for television purposes. They need a way to tie Stannis’s story arc more actively to the mainland story given that he won’t be making it up to the Wall this season. It wouldn’t do to have an active character like Stannis spend 10 episodes alone on Dragonstone, mired in political intrigue that ultimately leads nowhere. Sure, there’s the bit with the leaches, but that’s not enough to fill the time, even if Stannis only appears in 4-5 episodes Plus, the audience has a familiarity with Gendry that has been built up for three seasons, and they made sure to remind viewers of his heritage several times last season. At the very least, I like it better than the previous theory that Melisandre would try and persuade Stannis to sacrifice Shireen to the flames instead. I suspect many viewers, book readers or not, might see that as a bridge too far. After SoS, the only thing Gendry has done is save Brienne from Biter at the Inn at the Crossroads. That’s hardly an essential thing to keep, but there’s no reason it couldn’t still happen with a little rearranging. If Gendry even makes it to Dragonstonethere’s no reason that Davos can’t simply smuggle him back to the mainland instead of packing him off to Lys with Sallador Saan, as happens in the books. All in all, I think it would help raise the stakes for the Dragonstone plotline this season.

  251. Anguissette1979
    Posted March 17, 2013 at 9:48 am | Permalink

    KingJon,

    Ummm…didn’t Tyrion find Shae in Tywin’s bed in addition to her “performance” at his trial? I think Tywin literally “does” someone Tyrion loves which contributes to both Shae and Tywin’s death.

    I last re-read ASOS last year so I may be missing something but that’s how I remember things going down. The reasons that they both died were more complex than betrayal at the trial and Tysha.

  252. Hollyoak
    Posted March 17, 2013 at 10:18 am | Permalink

    Michael Harper:
    Hollyoak,

    I’m hoping that the version of The Rains of Castamere by The National. A couple of months ago, I was driving home from the Isle of Skye. It was about 6:00 in the evening, and the sky was extremely dark and cloudy. It was raining! And I had the Game of Thrones: Season 2 soundtrack playing. When The Rains of Castamere came on, the feeling of driving throughout the highlands in the rain was so atmospheric, that I just started imaging the Red Wedding. And, I think it will be so dark, moody, and somber with The National’s version! So, that’s what I’m hoping for.

    Awesome, Michael. I’ve been in the Highlands once when traveling and the landscape is so ancient and magnificent. I can see what you’re saying. This is going to be beyond Epic!

  253. Joan Català
    Posted March 17, 2013 at 10:22 am | Permalink

    zod,

    As I said, I think the climax of the Wall storyline (which includes Stannis/Mel/Davos storylines) would be Jon chosen as Lord Commander, essentialy turning down Winterfell. This could be one of the twists/plots for the last chapters of S4. Besides, the BIG shock of episode 9 of season 4 should be Tyrion/Tywin.

    I guess it all depends on whether the Battle at Castle Black happens in this season’s finale (as is my wish) or it happens in early S4. If it is so, they could drag out the storyline, but I think that it wouldn’t work out to well to have Stannis crush the wildlings, and have Jon elected in the next episode in a hurry.

    PD.: Pypar is back this season, he stayed at Castle Black at the end of S1. I don’t think they would have him come back, and rebuild the Castle Black set, just to show how he greets Jon as he returns and do nothing else. I think we’ll have Ygritte’s death this season, in the finale. It’ll have a greater impact while her romance with Jon is fresh in the viewers minds, than if she dies in S4.

  254. zod
    Posted March 17, 2013 at 10:28 am | Permalink

    Joan Català,

    I know Pyp is back this season, but Josef Altin only did one day of filming. I don’t think they could have filmed the battle at Castle Black in such a short time.

    But you have a good point with Ygritte’s death being more impactful if it happens at the end of this season. So, I don’t know.. I guess we’ll just have to wait and see.

  255. Julien
    Posted March 17, 2013 at 10:34 am | Permalink

    Hi. About the Gendry theory :
    Yes, I think Gendry could be a good Edric Storm. Maybe Thoros and Melisandre are connected by their powers. She could meet the BWB instead of the Ghost of High Heart. She could tell to everybody (and Arya) about her dreams of future. She could steal Gendry after all. Melisandre create the curse. And Davos will deliver Gendry at the end. I hope so.

  256. Hollyoak
    Posted March 17, 2013 at 10:48 am | Permalink

    Oh God, right now, I am immersing myself in the Histories & Lore discs from the season two blu rays. So much Epic stuff! I’m in full geek-out mode.

    My wife has fled the house.

    Man, this is awesome. I have enough “Throne-isms” to keep me busy until the day after my birthday, which will be March 31st!

  257. Rygar
    Posted March 17, 2013 at 10:52 am | Permalink

    Very well done. Kudos HBO.

  258. the other guy
    Posted March 17, 2013 at 10:59 am | Permalink

    Great trailer as usual ! I’m not sure about the whole Gendry replacing Edric theory, it would be a major deviation from the books.
    Can’t wait for the “No mercy” trailer now. I hope this one hasn’t “replaced” it in some way, and we will still see it tonight before the Girls finale, as predicted.

  259. zod
    Posted March 17, 2013 at 11:35 am | Permalink

    the other guy: I hope this one hasn’t “replaced” it in some way,

    Nope, the two of them were set to be released on March 18th. So, the “No Mercy” trailer is still coming. ;)

  260. JamesL
    Posted March 17, 2013 at 11:51 am | Permalink

    the other guy,

    A very smart and good deviation from the books. An improvement from the books imo. I don’t think anyone ever really cared about Edric or what happens to him but people actually like Gendry so it would make that storyline more engaging and its a good way to keep a fan favorite around a little longer instead of having him vanish from the show midway through S3. We know Edric isn’t going to be on the show so would you rather have it be Shireen?

  261. BlackTalon
    Posted March 17, 2013 at 11:54 am | Permalink

    after the last trailer I swore to myself that I wouldn’t watch any further material from the series … this is hard … but the last season I felt that knowing so many scenes from the trailer already took away from my enjoyment of the show.

  262. MRR
    Posted March 17, 2013 at 12:22 pm | Permalink

    One thing a lot of people don’t seem to understand regarding the Theon beheading scene is that Theon was using a relatively light one-handed sword to do the job. Most executioners use something like a huge heavy axe for a reason: the weight helps them cleave through in one stroke. A big axe like that isn’t an efficient weapon for battle because it would be too slow to swing around, but for chopping at an unmoving, subdued target it works wonders. Similarly, Ice (Ned Stark’s sword) was a two-handed, Valyrian steel blade. Not only was it a heavier, bigger sword, but it was made of a mythically-sharp metal. Comparing the two isn’t really fair.

    This is further compounded by the awful, unrealistic battle scenes in Blackwater. Nobody else seemed bothered, but I really resented how unrealistically gory the episode was. How is it realistic in any way for Tyrion to chop off half of someone’s leg? Let alone Sandor chopping people in two and Stannis chopping through skulls. Even if Sandor is strong, Blackwater took the violence to silly anime/comic book gore-fest levels of super-human strength and paper-thin armor.

  263. MRR
    Posted March 17, 2013 at 12:24 pm | Permalink

    Also, the “King of the Ashes” line to me seems more fitting for Stannis, given his rigid reputation for refusing to allow people to bend the knee, but I’m not sure what the context would be for Varys explaining that to the Queen of Thorns.

  264. Valdred Dethstorm
    Posted March 17, 2013 at 12:30 pm | Permalink

    MRR:
    Blackwater took the violence to silly anime/comic book gore-fest levels of super-human strength and paper-thin armor.

    Overreacting much?

  265. ItRhymesWithReek
    Posted March 17, 2013 at 12:33 pm | Permalink

    KingJon,
    If I had to do that scene (thankfully I don´t) I’d probably refresh the whole Tysha thing for non-readers by develpoing the scene between Jaime and Tywin, in the aftermath of the Purple Wedding in which Tywin offers Jaime to be Lord of Casterly Rock. In the book Jaime rejects the offer because he’s the Kingsguard commander, but in the series you could add Jaime saying that since he´s Kingsguard, Caterly Rock is actually Tyrion’s right. Tywin could say that Tyrion isn´t worthy of it because of his whoring etc… etc… (kinda mirroring his talk with Tyrion at the beggining of S3) and Jaime could blame Tyrion’s whoring on his being told that Tysha was a whore (I always thought of it that way) and sort of accusing Tywin. Then they argue like in the books, Tywin telling Jaime he no longer considers him his son. I think that would set up Tyrion’s later murder of Tywin and Shae quite nicely, after Jaime tells him the truth about Tysha. Anyways, they already introduced Tysha in the series, in S1, so they’ll probably bring her back up.

  266. Tom O' Sevens
    Posted March 17, 2013 at 12:36 pm | Permalink

    Mags Giantsbabe: Nice one ;). Although I hope R+L=J is true, Jon could still be part of prophecy as Ashara’s son. Isn’t she Targaryean? How did you learn that Dawn is a White Walker blade? That’s awesome. I keep wondering about Longclaw’s history as well. All we really know is that the Mormonts kept it for five centuries. But where does it really come from? I don’t think the theory that Theon could be Azor Ahai is far-fetched, but I would be dissappointed if it wasn’t Jon.

    Both Dawn and a White Walker swords are described as “pale as milk glass” so I think they could be one in the same

  267. Tom O' Sevens
    Posted March 17, 2013 at 12:42 pm | Permalink

    Joan Català:
    I’m not convinced with the Edric/Gendry theory. At this point in the series nobody knows where Gendry is (and he doesn’t even know he’s a royal bastard). How convenient would it appear (a bit too much for HBO standards) for Melisandre to suddenly show up and snatch him away for the Lord of Light, especially when there are no previous hints as to her interest in him.

    I think some decent exposition can be done on Melisandre’s religion by showing she’s not the only priest/ess there is out there. As some have said, maybe it’s some sort of communication through the flames, or a like a remote vision or something.

    And let’s not forget she’s to sail North with Stannis at the end of the season, probably in the finale (if not my bet is Ep8.) Does she have time for a road trip half across Westeros and back? That’d be silly.

    Why would Melisandre sail north at the end of the season? Stannis arriving at the wall doesn’t happen until the very end of the book. This scene will surely be in Season 4

  268. Turncloak
    Posted March 17, 2013 at 12:53 pm | Permalink

    Has Melisandre interaction with Thoros been confirmed by any major website? Where are our spies and leakers of information damit! I’ll reach out to Game Of Thrones twitter account to see if they tell me who is behind Melisandre in that shot :-)

  269. Selmy
    Posted March 17, 2013 at 1:08 pm | Permalink

    KingJon,

    Okay stop saying ”sad but true”. All your doing is speculating, and you’re doing it all wrong. About the Shae story, GRRM already said it would be like in the books.

  270. Joan Català
    Posted March 17, 2013 at 1:38 pm | Permalink

    Tom O’ Sevens,

    My idea was Stannis arriving at the Wall perhaps in ep6 (S4) and crushing the wildlings. Perhaps you are right and having him absent for half a season wouldn’t do much good, so he sails early in S4 (eps2/3?) The remaining four chapters after the battle would deal with the aftermath of said battle, and focus on Stannis’ offer to legitimize Jon, and on the last episode Jon would be chosen Lord Commander (after having Sam’s plotting in the previous episode).

    What do you think?

  271. queenofthorns
    Posted March 17, 2013 at 1:42 pm | Permalink

    re: Shae
    I think there’s basically four options.
    1) Have Shae do a massive face-heel turn and just decide to screw Tywin for money.
    2) Have Shae turn against Tyrion but only at the last second and making it clear that it’s only because she’s in mortal peril, or she does it to save Sansa, maybe.
    3) Somehow make it a big misunderstanding, Shae doesn’t really betray Tyrion but he thinks she did, and kills her for it.
    4) Tyrion doesn’t kill Shae, instead he kills Tywin for killing Shae (KingJon’s theory)

    The first would be bad writing, so I’m hoping it’s option 2 or 3 but these options would be the hardest to get just right. I don’t like option 4 because it takes away from Tyrion the act that cements him as a truly grey character. IMO, killing Tywin isn’t enough.

    Re: Gendry
    You guys are brilliant, I never would have thought of this and I almost feel spoiled now. So basically:
    1) Melisandre either sees Gendry in the flames, or Stannis tells her about having met this blacksmith who was Robert’s son with Jon Arryn.
    2) Melisandre meets with Thoros and takes Gendry away (midseason).
    3) Leeches (ep 6ish), discussion of King’s Blood/Dragons
    4) Davos, freshly out of jail, figures out what they are going to do to this kid and spirits him away to save Stannis’ soul. He asks Gendry where he wants to go, and Gendry decides to try to find Arya by heading back to the Brotherhood.
    5) Gendry’s plot continues as in the books from there.

  272. The Bear
    Posted March 17, 2013 at 1:47 pm | Permalink

    KingJon,

    Makes no sense? Too weak? Have you been watching this show? It’s full of f’d up betrayals and infuriating moments. D&D haven’t shied away from it at all thus far, why would they start now? Shae’s betrayal and death at the hands of Tyrion is some damn good twisted television that Game of Thrones is all about. TV viewers will be shocked, devastated, but they will eat it up. D&D would be crazy to change such a tragic Shakespearean-like twist like that.

  273. queenofthorns
    Posted March 17, 2013 at 2:02 pm | Permalink

    The Bear: D&D would be crazy to change such a tragic Shakespearean-like twist like that.

    I feel like they have done so much to change Shae’s character – showing she’s a good hearted person who cares about others, rather than the cold-hearted mercenary she appears to be in the books – that having her outright betray Tyrion for money would be really out of character and would be unbelievable to the audience.

    Unlike book Shae, TV Shae must have a good reason for doing it. I think this would be interesting because it would actually make Tyrion look worse.

  274. House baratheon
    Posted March 17, 2013 at 2:03 pm | Permalink

    I just lost my job and my girlfriend left me… Game of thrones is the only thing keeping me from jerking the wheel into a guard rail.

  275. Turncloak
    Posted March 17, 2013 at 2:08 pm | Permalink

    Joan Català:
    Tom O’ Sevens,

    My idea was Stannis arriving at the Wall perhaps in ep6 (S4) and crushing the wildlings. Perhaps you are right and having him absent for half a season wouldn’t do much good, so he sails early in S4 (eps2/3?) The remaining four chapters after the battle would deal with the aftermath of said battle, and focus on Stannis’ offer to legitimize Jon, and on the last episode Jon would be chosen Lord Commander (after having Sam’s plotting in the previous episode).

    What do you think?

    Season 3 ends with David reading the letter from the nights watch to Stannis. Stannis is absent for a good portion of season 4 until we see him at the wall.

  276. A Secret Baratheon
    Posted March 17, 2013 at 2:10 pm | Permalink

    Valdred Dethstorm: Overreacting much?

    I actually agree. I love Blackwater as an episode, perhaps the finest hour in Thrones history, but the OTT violence kind of took me out of the whole thing.

  277. Chris
    Posted March 17, 2013 at 2:40 pm | Permalink

    KingJon,

    I wouldn’t underestimate HBO viewers’ ability to remember a point from a couple of seasons ago. It may not have led to any major event or plot development, but Tyrion’s story was an important bit of background information. Deadwood, The Sopranos, The Wire proved that the network didn’t need to be concerned about holding the viewer’s hand throughout the storytelling process, and people who are lazy TV watchers won’t stick with this show. They may like the action and the breasts, but when it comes down to it, the meat of the show is about the development of and dialogue between a few dozen major characters, all coming together to tell a massive story that’s larger than any one of them; if your main television interests are Kim Kardashian and Swamp People, you probably won’t want to take the effort to follow this, and there’s no reason D&D should pander to them if they do make it this far.

    Book readers will always remember that he’s married. Casual viewers who have seen the series twice or who pay very close attention will always remember. Casual viewers like my parents, who have seen each season once and have not read the books, may forget, but can easily be refreshed by someone they know who knows it better, a few lines of dialogue in the show, or, if it comes down to it, the internet.

    Since D&D should be focused on telling the most compelling story, not worrying about confusing a few audience members who should be expected to remember what they’ve already seen, I hope they leave Shae’s end as is.

    But it’ll be a year or more until we know what they decide to do, so all we can do is speculate!

  278. Syrio
    Posted March 17, 2013 at 2:53 pm | Permalink

    Stannis cannot know about Gendry, in the show Stannis doesn’t find out about the incest/bastardy of Joffrey until told so by Ned. He never accompanied Jon Arryn on his investigation or visit the blacksmith in the show.

  279. Megan
    Posted March 17, 2013 at 2:55 pm | Permalink

    I thought someone that was most likely playing Edric Storm was cast?

  280. King Tommen
    Posted March 17, 2013 at 2:57 pm | Permalink

    queenofthorns: I feel like they have done so much to change Shae’s character – showing she’s a good hearted person who cares about others, rather than the cold-hearted mercenary she appears to be in the books – that having her outright betray Tyrion for money would be really out of character and would be unbelievable to the audience.

    Unlike book Shae, TV Shae must have a good reason for doing it.I think this would be interesting because it would actually make Tyrion look worse.

    I doubt she’dbetray Tyrion for money but that’s not what the show is setting up. Because it appears she truly has feelings for him and has already attempted to get him to leave everything and run away with her, the betrayal will be an emotional one borne out of her own feelings of Tyrion’s betrayal. He will be making a conscious choice to go through with the Sansa betrothal in order to heed his father’s wishes and continue to “play the game” which he has admitted to Shae is what is keeping him in King’s Landing.

    This choice will be perceived as a rejection of the relationship Shae and Tyrion could have had if he had the ability to let all of the family and power motivations go and simply leave to be with Shae. Shae will also surely be that much more enraged and embarrassed that the person that Tyrion will be married to is the girl she has been entrusted to be handmaiden to and is one of the few people she has built a relationship with.

    All of this will lead to the rejected and jealous “women scorned” arc which will turn her against Tyrion and put her in the position where she wants to hurt him as badly as he’s hurt her. It’s very Shakespearean and I’ve said since last season that this is the direction they’d be taking with her.

  281. Ours is the Fury
    Posted March 17, 2013 at 2:57 pm | Permalink

    The violence in Blackwater was positively subtle and tasteful compared to what you’ll see every week on Spartacus.

  282. Ours is the Fury
    Posted March 17, 2013 at 2:59 pm | Permalink

    Megan,

    No. The actor people were speculating was Edric is playing one of the Lannister boy captives that the Starks & Karstarks are holding.

  283. Dark Star
    Posted March 17, 2013 at 3:01 pm | Permalink

    Syrio: Stannis cannot know about Gendry, in the show Stannis doesn’t find out about the incest/bastardy of Joffrey until told so by Ned. He never accompanied Jon Arryn on his investigation or visit the blacksmith in the show.

    Exactly! Plus, as far as EVERYONE except Arya knows, Gendry was killed by the Goldcloaks (Lommy).

  284. the other guy
    Posted March 17, 2013 at 3:02 pm | Permalink

    JamesL:
    the other guy,

    A very smart and good deviation from the books. An improvement from the books imo. I don’t think anyone ever really cared about Edric or what happens to him but people actually like Gendry so it would make that storyline more engaging and its a good way to keep a fan favorite around a little longer instead of having him vanish from the show midway through S3. We know Edric isn’t going to be on the show so would you rather have it be Shireen?

    Actually I agree with you about Edric, maybe it would make the storyline more engaging and interesting, especially for casual viewers who already have a hard time remembering every minor character. I’m not saying they should stay 100% true to the book.
    The only problem I have with this is the fact that in the book, we never see Mel interacting with other R”hllor followers, and I think that contributes to all the mystery around her character and her religious order. By the end of ADWD, there’s still a lot of things we don’t know about them. Now, I’m not being skeptical about the ability of D&D to invent new scenes that weren’t in the book (most changes in s2 didn’t bother me at all), but if they decided to create new scenes with her and Thoros, I don’t know… I feel there’s a risk of ruining the mystery.

    And there’s that :

    Syrio:
    Stannis cannot know about Gendry, in the show Stannis doesn’t find out about the incest/bastardy of Joffrey until told so by Ned.He never accompaniedJon Arryn on his investigation or visit the blacksmith in the show.

  285. Dark Star
    Posted March 17, 2013 at 3:08 pm | Permalink

    I think it is just crafty editing that make it look like Melisandre and Thoros are in a scene together.

  286. Mormegil
    Posted March 17, 2013 at 3:20 pm | Permalink

    Anguissette1979: Melisandre: Death is coming for everyone and everything. A darkness that will swallow the dawn. We can stop it, you and I.

    Pretty sure this is Mel talking to Thoros or even Gendry rather than the more obvious Stannis.

  287. Josla
    Posted March 17, 2013 at 3:23 pm | Permalink

    zod,

    zod,

    That’s a very interesting theory and very possible, although that’ll mean he’ll be attacked twice? Once in the fist and then there? However what I really want to know is from the books… what happened to that group of night’s watchers? I try to recall, but nothing comes to my mind…

  288. Mormegil
    Posted March 17, 2013 at 3:39 pm | Permalink

    Josla: zod, zod, However what I really want to know is from the books… what happened to that group of night’s watchers? I try to recall, but nothing comes to my mind…

    IIRC some of them get killed by Coldhands. and then are eaten by Bran (Warged into Summer) and the “dead” Varamyr and his wolf pack.

  289. zod
    Posted March 17, 2013 at 3:41 pm | Permalink

    Josla,

    They stayed at Craster’s Keep. And some of them were killed by Coldhands (and then eaten by Ghost).

  290. stunningsteve
    Posted March 17, 2013 at 3:43 pm | Permalink

    Josla,

    They were killed by Coldhands. Some were eaten by Ghost and his new pack and some were propably later served as pork to Bran, Hodor and the Reeds.

  291. Hollyoak
    Posted March 17, 2013 at 3:50 pm | Permalink

    House baratheon:
    I just lost my job and my girlfriend left me… Game of thrones is the only thing keeping me from jerking the wheel into a guard rail.

    Hang in there, friend. Things will get better. Life has ups and downs. I’m sure you have the strength to get through it. Be brave. Be noble. Be like a Stark.

  292. Turncloak
    Posted March 17, 2013 at 3:55 pm | Permalink

    Turncloak: Season 3 ends with David reading the letter from the nights watch to Stannis. Stannis is absent for a good portion of season 4 until we see him at the wall.

      

    Edit: Davos reading the letter*

  293. Anguissette1979
    Posted March 17, 2013 at 3:59 pm | Permalink

    Hollyoak: Be like a Stark.

    Waaa! Don’t be like a Stark and make stupid decisions in the name of honor and nobility!

    Do hang in there, though. If she left you she wasn’t worth your time anyway! May you find a lovely GoT loving lady and a new job you love. :-) *good vibes in your direction*

  294. Tyrion Pimpslap
    Posted March 17, 2013 at 4:02 pm | Permalink

    I just saw the ‘No Mercy’ trailer, which is the best trailer by far this season, and it is clear Melisandre is in the cave with Thoros. It is a wide shot, so there is no way it is tricky editing. A man is standing in front of her while Thoros sits in the background. I think it is Beric, but it is from behind so I didn’t get a good look at his face.

  295. Hi-Fi
    Posted March 17, 2013 at 4:07 pm | Permalink

    Tyrion Pimpslap,

    Oooh…

    Daario? Selyse? Shireen?

  296. Megan
    Posted March 17, 2013 at 4:09 pm | Permalink

    Count me out for supporting the Gendry/Edric change. How would they even know where Gendry is? Or that he even exists? NO.

  297. Anvil
    Posted March 17, 2013 at 4:14 pm | Permalink

    Megan:
    Count me out for supporting the Gendry/Edric change. How would they even know where Gendry is? Or that he even exists? NO.

    Melisandre spots him in the flames.

  298. Joh
    Posted March 17, 2013 at 4:21 pm | Permalink

    aaaaaaAAAAAAAAAAAaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaahahahahaha! Dany looks so awesome with her dragons! *maniacal laughter and tears of joy*

    Also, NCW has the best “BRING IT!” smile ever when playing Jaime Lannister.

    and Ygritte. And Stannis. This is so cool!

  299. Tyrion Pimpslap
    Posted March 17, 2013 at 4:28 pm | Permalink

    Hi-Fi,

    It is loaded with new/extended looks, including:

    - Daario,Greyworm, and Jorah fighting inside the walls of a city
    - Brienne and Jaime in the bearpit together
    - Joffrey walking Sansa down the aisle for her wedding
    - Melisandre in a cave with Thoros and what looks to be Beric
    - A voiceover by Jojen talking about the Whitewalkers
    - A scene where the NW look to be burning something out in the snow, with Ghost standing beside them
    - A look at Summer(likely as Bran is warged into him)
    - A scene where Tyrion says “Seven Kingdoms, all living in fear of Tywin Lannister”(This looks like a scene between Tywin,Tyrion, and Cersei)
    - A scene with Roslin Frey being undressed(the bedding at the RW!)
    - A final scene with Dany holding a chained Drogon and a shot of him spewing flame(which looks much better than the flames in the HOTU from last season)
    - A look at Theon being dumped on the ground and being kicked(Could be Ramsay, but I didn’t get a good look at the face as he was wearing a cap that covers everything but his eyes)

    There are some more scenes, this is just all Icould remember.

  300. facelessarya
    Posted March 17, 2013 at 4:29 pm | Permalink

    AryaisAwesome,

    oh god I hope so, Maisie seriously deserves it!

    and I hope Sophie gets creds too, her acting is stunning

  301. Hi-Fi
    Posted March 17, 2013 at 4:30 pm | Permalink

    Tyrion Pimpslap,

    Sounds fantastic! Thanks!

  302. AdrianAegon
    Posted March 17, 2013 at 4:32 pm | Permalink

    A-Gone:
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?gl=US&client=mv-google&hl=en&feature=plcp&v=y6__T930D74&nomobile=1

    IT IS AWESOME… and it is low quality :)) can’t wait for the full HD youtube one

  303. zod
    Posted March 17, 2013 at 4:34 pm | Permalink

    A-Gone,

    Thanks! Can’t wait for the HD version of this.

  304. Anvil
    Posted March 17, 2013 at 4:35 pm | Permalink

    A-Gone:
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?gl=US&client=mv-google&hl=en&feature=plcp&v=y6__T930D74&nomobile=1

    Oh nice. They’ve used “The game has changed” from the Tron Legacy OST.

  305. zod
    Posted March 17, 2013 at 4:38 pm | Permalink

    The fight with Jorah and Daario looks really badass.

    And Theon’s torture looks really painful. ;)

  306. Lex
    Posted March 17, 2013 at 4:47 pm | Permalink

    Rather than exciting me (I’m already excited), these new trailers are making me worry about spoilers. I feel like I’ve already seen to much. Re-joining the Brotherhood Without Previews as of now! :)

  307. The_Wanderer
    Posted March 17, 2013 at 4:48 pm | Permalink

    Best trailer yet, it looks like Arya is going to be getting a lot more dramatic with the burn in hell screaming. Varys looks great, Robb looks great, everyone looks great. I want to see more of the Queen of Thorns.

  308. Josla
    Posted March 17, 2013 at 5:00 pm | Permalink

    zod,

    zod,

    stunningsteve,

    Thanks handsome ;)
    Oh gods! I never knew!!! Glad it ended up that way.

    The guy who spe ulated about Gendry replacing Edric is genius. I’d love it if the showrunners did it that way, ’cause then Gendry will have more to do after this season

  309. dubq
    Posted March 17, 2013 at 5:22 pm | Permalink

    charles:
    It’s Mel is with Thoros. It’s the same actor:

    Thoros of Myr actor:
    http://cdn1.screenrant.com/wp-content/uploads/Game-of-Thrones-Thoros-of-Myr.jpg

    From FB page and screencap of trailer:
    http://sphotos-a.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-ash3/75049_10151347348687169_1340962643_n.jpg

    Not even close to being Paul Kaye in that scene with Mel, buddy. Try again.

  310. Megan
    Posted March 17, 2013 at 5:25 pm | Permalink

    WHAT?? Roslin Frey being undressed????? Red Wedding?? Whhattttt 4j53ioj6i436j4oi

  311. pntrlqst
    Posted March 17, 2013 at 5:26 pm | Permalink

    dubq,

    LOL. Um, except… he is. And the new “No Mercy” trailer confirms it.

  312. Hollyoak
    Posted March 17, 2013 at 5:27 pm | Permalink

    Anguissette1979: Waaa! Don’t be like a Stark and make stupid decisions in the name of honor and nobility!

    Do hang in there, though. If she left you she wasn’t worth your time anyway! May you find a lovely GoT loving lady and a new job you love. :-) *good vibes in your direction*

    Ha! Good one, Anguissette. But the important thing is, he has people that care about him. I know we all do, even when we think we don’t. Hang in there, mate.

  313. Isabelle
    Posted March 17, 2013 at 5:30 pm | Permalink

    Mormont’s voice-over: “I forbid you to die.” He’s got to be saying that to Sam!!!

  314. Isabelle
    Posted March 17, 2013 at 5:39 pm | Permalink

    House baratheon,

    Like the other ladies said, hang in there–things WILL get better, even if it doesn’t feel like that’s even possible right now. The fact that you’re reaching out is a sign of how strong you are, so you’ll make it–please, please continue to reach out to those around you! *Hugs*

  315. facelessarya
    Posted March 17, 2013 at 5:40 pm | Permalink

    it looks like Mel is going somewhere when her a Stannis are talking on the shore “my enemies think they’ve destroyed me” could he be sending her somewhere ie hollow hill?

  316. Turncloak
    Posted March 17, 2013 at 5:44 pm | Permalink
  317. Turri
    Posted March 17, 2013 at 6:18 pm | Permalink

    Fuck the Kingsguard, fuck the city, fuck those goddamn 14 days!

  318. Hollyoak
    Posted March 17, 2013 at 6:31 pm | Permalink

    Isabelle:
    House baratheon,

    Like the other ladies said, hang in there–things WILL get better, even if it doesn’t feel like that’s even possible right now. The fact that you’re reaching out is a sign of how strong you are, so you’ll make it–please, please continue to reach out to those around you! *Hugs*

    Hey! I’m Hollyoak and I’m a guy! LOL. It’s all good. It’s nice to see these comments of support for this chap.

  319. Hassan Madkour
    Posted March 17, 2013 at 6:45 pm | Permalink

    I’m starting to think that this isnt Reek but its Davos

  320. Tyrion Pimpslap
    Posted March 17, 2013 at 6:48 pm | Permalink

    Hassan Madkour,

    Why? Look at the structure he is tied to. It’s the same as the one on the Bolton’s sigil.

  321. Turncloak
    Posted March 17, 2013 at 6:52 pm | Permalink

    Hassan Madkour: I’m starting to think that this isnt Reek but its Davos

    Why would Davos be in the Dreadfort sigil torture?

  322. Hassan Madkour
    Posted March 17, 2013 at 7:02 pm | Permalink

    Tyrion Pimpslap,

    I hadn’t noticed that, thanks for clearing it up

  323. Anguissette1979
    Posted March 17, 2013 at 7:12 pm | Permalink

    Hollyoak,

    I am going to shamefully admit that I thought you were a lady, too (even though I know that “Hollyoaks” is a UK soap). *hangs head*

    *anxiously waits for high-res No Mercy*

  324. idkk
    Posted March 17, 2013 at 7:21 pm | Permalink

    Tom O’ Sevens: Both Dawn and a White Walker swords are described as “pale as milk glass” so I think they could be one in the same

    Only Dawn is described as being forged from metal (from a fallen star) and appearing “pale as milkglass”, WW swords are crystal. There is a stronger case for Dawn actually being Lightbringer .

  325. Megan
    Posted March 17, 2013 at 7:22 pm | Permalink

    I’ve been going to all the HBO channels during their “commercial breaks” to find ‘No mercy’ and haven’t found it yet :( lol…I think I’ve seen every other GoT trailer though..

  326. Anguissette1979
    Posted March 17, 2013 at 7:23 pm | Permalink

    Rough transcript of the “No Mercy” trailer for those who need it. I’ll tweak as needed when the official version comes out and repost in that thread.

    Tyrion: How long does it go on?
    Cersei: Until we’ve dealt with all our enemies.
    Tyrion: Seven Kingdoms united in fear of Tywin Lannister
    Jojen(?): The Night’s Watch can’t stop them, kings and their armies can’t stop them.
    Stannis: The darkness will devour them all unless I triumph. We do not choose our destiny. We must do our duty now. [Pray to us all we must do our duty]
    Daenerys: Explain to me how you propose to defeat us.
    Joffrey: I am THE KING. Everyone is mine to torment!
    Daenerys: I shall show you no mercy.
    Robb: Take his home. Take his gold. Take his power. If we don’t do this and do it now, we’ve lost.
    Tormund: We’re finally going to war.
    Mance: I’m going to light the biggest fire the north has ever seen.
    Mormont(?): I forbid you to die.
    Jon(?): Big men fall just as quick as little ones.
    Mel(?): Do you hear them screaming, crying for their gods?

  327. Isabelle
    Posted March 17, 2013 at 7:24 pm | Permalink

    Hollyoak,

    Oh dear–my apologies!!! I feel like a right proper ass now.

  328. Anguissette1979
    Posted March 17, 2013 at 7:26 pm | Permalink

    Isabelle,

    I actually am a lady so you were 50% correct! :-P

  329. Isabelle
    Posted March 17, 2013 at 7:27 pm | Permalink

    Anguissette1979:
    Rough transcript of the “No Mercy” trailer for those who need it. I’ll tweak as needed when the official version comes out and repost in that thread.

    xxxxx: I forbid you to die.
    xxxxx: Big men fall just as quick as little ones.

    Thanks for this! I think these are the last two:

    Mormont: I forbid you to die.
    Jon: Big men fall just as quick as little ones.

  330. M
    Posted March 17, 2013 at 7:29 pm | Permalink

    about the “missing foot”… I looked super close and the foot is there, it’s just facing forward plus that side is a bit darker so it’s just hard to see.

    and really…having Theon footless would be way too much of an annoyance to work around for everything he needs to do in the future. and the last thing they want to do is make thing more complicated for themselves.

  331. Isabelle
    Posted March 17, 2013 at 7:29 pm | Permalink

    Anguissette1979:
    Isabelle,

    I actually am a lady so you were 50% correct! :-P

    Phew–got one right at least (the “-ette” was a good clue)! You’re very kind for saying so :-)

  332. Anguissette1979
    Posted March 17, 2013 at 7:30 pm | Permalink

    Isabelle,

    Awesome… edited (with question marks).

    I just jumped about a foot when my email dinged – on pins and needles waiting for my YT subscription email!

  333. Isabelle
    Posted March 17, 2013 at 7:43 pm | Permalink

    Anguissette1979:
    I just jumped about a foot when my email dinged – on pins and needles waiting for my YT subscription email!

    LOL–I haven’t subscribed to a YT channel in my life, but from the sounds of it, it seems a rather useful thing to do for all things Throne-related.

  334. Megan
    Posted March 17, 2013 at 7:45 pm | Permalink

    Isabelle,

    i think i’m going to do this before i drive myself crazy…i can’t focus on anything until i see this new trailer!!! lol

  335. Anguissette1979
    Posted March 17, 2013 at 7:46 pm | Permalink

    Isabelle,

    Yep. As soon as a video goes online you get an email that says, “Game of Thrones has uploaded a new video called xxxxxxxxx” with a link directly to it. For a GoT-obsessed technophile like me who is always on her phone it’s great. :-)

  336. Anguissette1979
    Posted March 17, 2013 at 8:02 pm | Permalink

    Megan,

    Megan – if you read up several comments someone posted a link to a low-res phone camera version. I was able to get a sketchy transcript from it and it’s hard to see but you can catch lots of new footage.

  337. Turncloak
    Posted March 17, 2013 at 8:03 pm | Permalink

    It’s 8pm on the east coast and still no “No Mercy” trailer :/.

    Guess I have to settle for the low res youtube version

  338. Isabelle
    Posted March 17, 2013 at 8:07 pm | Permalink

    Megan:
    i think i’m going to do this before i drive myself crazy…i can’t focus on anything until i see this new trailer!!! lol

    Seriously!

    Anguissette1979:
    Yep. As soon as a video goes online you get an email that says, “Game of Thrones has uploaded a new video called xxxxxxxxx” with a link directly to it. For a GoT-obsessed technophile like me who is always on her phone it’s great. :-)

    Done. My mobile is useless at playing videos, but at least it will tell me to get to a computer/the website ASAP!

  339. Nezzer
    Posted March 17, 2013 at 8:13 pm | Permalink

    The thing on Theon’s foot is some kind of torture mechanism, apparently. In this “No Mercy” trailer, we can see a torturer (Ramsay?) turning some kind of screw in it.

  340. Halfegg
    Posted March 17, 2013 at 8:18 pm | Permalink

    Nezzer,

    Looks like it’s a thumbscrew torture device.

  341. Megan
    Posted March 17, 2013 at 8:20 pm | Permalink

    Anguissette1979,

    Yes, thank you so much! I just want it on my big screen so I can clearly analyze it for an hour. lol.

  342. Tyrion Pimpslap
    Posted March 17, 2013 at 8:28 pm | Permalink

    Nezzer,

    If you remember the unauthorized report from the set that a woman posted online and had removed a while back, she said she saw Theon strapped to a cross with a big wound on his foot. So I’m guessing the foot stays, but some toes may go missing.

  343. tysnow
    Posted March 17, 2013 at 8:46 pm | Permalink

    Saw that “No Mercy” trailer form the link, quality not good but I freaked when I saw a brief snippet of Stannis stabbing Mel (on the beach) and she slumps onto him.

    I also noticed Thoros bowing his head as Mel passes him in the cave, she must be the bitch high priestess then.

    Daario is definitely gonna get a female and gay man fan club, from that brief scene.

    Sept of Baelor at you know who’s wedding. Cannot wait till series 5 for Jaime/Cersei scene in there.

    Wonder who the two archers on horseback are.

    Burn Gorman must play either a outlaw nightwatchman or one of Mance’s men (both perhaps) to have Old Bear pull out a sword at the first sight of him.

    Brain still on overload from this trailer, which may be the best of the lot once I see a proper version of it.

  344. pntrlqst
    Posted March 17, 2013 at 9:02 pm | Permalink
  345. Hollyoak
    Posted March 17, 2013 at 9:02 pm | Permalink

    Oh.

    My.

    God.

    I just saw the newnewnewnewest (who can keep track anymore!)trailer before Girls in beautiful 1080P HD on HBO. Too epic to even try to describe.

    One word:

    Dragons.

  346. Nezzer
    Posted March 17, 2013 at 9:03 pm | Permalink
  347. Kell
    Posted March 17, 2013 at 9:03 pm | Permalink
  348. tysnow
    Posted March 17, 2013 at 9:14 pm | Permalink

    Well having looking at the official version of “No Mercy” Stannis is just grabbing Mel real quick not stabbing her, lol, shows you how poor image quality can alter a perception.

  349. WildSeed
    Posted March 17, 2013 at 9:29 pm | Permalink

    Ours is the Fury:
    The violence in Blackwater was positively subtle and tasteful compared to what you’ll see every week on Spartacus.

    So true, and my primary reason for skipping shows like Spartacus. Oddly I’m
    drawn to the genre and historical aspects of it, but I dislike gratuitous violence.
    Game of Thrones is a bit more balanced , the intrigue being the political quest,
    among other things.

  350. tuhin
    Posted March 18, 2013 at 3:32 am | Permalink

    so truuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuu

    Play Strategy way games: http://www.darkagewars.com

  351. Sevedris
    Posted March 18, 2013 at 12:01 pm | Permalink

    MRR:
    Also, the “King of the Ashes” line to me seems more fitting for Stannis, given his rigid reputation for refusing to allow people to bend the knee, but I’m not sure what the context would be for Varys explaining that to the Queen of Thorns.

    You’re probably right, but to Stannis did say, “they will bend the knee or I will destroy them.”
    It’d make more sense for his reference to be Joffrey, but who would he be saying this to? Varys is too smart to badmouth the King within anyone’s earshot.

    I gotta admit, the Mel @ Hollow Hill thing threw me off, but the Gendry=Edric theory put forth make so much dramatic sense. And her taking the place of the Ghost of High Heart makes more sense since it’s quasi-established she sees the future (which explains how she can traverse hostile territory, guys.) Bravo.

    All you fools that think the PW is this season, no way!


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