Episodes 6 and 8 titled “The Climb” and “Second Sons”
By Winter Is Coming on in News.

We previously reported all of the episode titles of season 3, sans episodes 6 and 8. Now those two titles have been revealed on HBO.com’s schedule page. They are titled “The Climb” and “Second Sons”, respectively. Here now is the full list of confirmed titles for season 3.

  • Ep. 301 – Valar Dohaeris
  • Ep. 302 – Dark Wings, Dark Words
  • Ep. 303 – Walk of Punishment
  • Ep. 304 – And Now His Watch is Ended
  • Ep. 305 – Kissed by Fire
  • Ep. 306 – The Climb
  • Ep. 307 – The Bear and the Maiden Fair
  • Ep. 308 – Second Sons
  • Ep. 309 – The Rains of Castamere
  • Ep. 310 – Mhysa

Winter Is Coming: What do you think of these titles? For readers of the book, it’s pretty obvious what they are referring to, although both could have double meanings.


124 Comments

  1. Rafa
    Posted March 29, 2013 at 11:23 am | Permalink

    Wait, what do they mean by Second Sons? I don’t remember reading about it

  2. Amanda
    Posted March 29, 2013 at 11:23 am | Permalink

    The Bear and the Maiden Fair is the episode George wrote?

  3. Ryan
    Posted March 29, 2013 at 11:23 am | Permalink

    Hodor!

    Edit: Damn too slow.

  4. Josla
    Posted March 29, 2013 at 11:24 am | Permalink

    Second! Daario is coming!

    EDIT: Damnit, three posts at the same time…

  5. Skip Lannister
    Posted March 29, 2013 at 11:24 am | Permalink

    Seems a little early for “the climb”, if it’s what I’m thinking it is so it likely isn’t. Hmmmm….

  6. GeekFurious
    Posted March 29, 2013 at 11:24 am | Permalink

    Amanda:
    The Bear and the Maiden Fair is the episode George wrote?

    Yes but he did not write the bear portion. That was in another episode and moved into his.

  7. Dan
    Posted March 29, 2013 at 11:27 am | Permalink

    Rafa:
    Wait, what do they mean by Second Sons? I don’t remember reading about it

    Mercenary troops. ;)

  8. Carne
    Posted March 29, 2013 at 11:28 am | Permalink

    As I mentioned in the other thread: Mero is in episode 8, so probably something to do with him.

  9. Imp
    Posted March 29, 2013 at 11:29 am | Permalink

    Then there are actual second sons, such as Tyrion and Robb.

  10. Sky Aero
    Posted March 29, 2013 at 11:29 am | Permalink

    Carne,

    Who’s Mero again, I forgot…

  11. Ashley
    Posted March 29, 2013 at 11:30 am | Permalink

    So does that mean no brown ben or will that be next season

  12. Skyofwelkup
    Posted March 29, 2013 at 11:30 am | Permalink

    Second Sons, other than the sellsword company, this could refer to Bran and Tyrion no?

  13. Zack
    Posted March 29, 2013 at 11:31 am | Permalink

    Sky Aero:
    Carne,

    Who’s Meroagain, i forgot…

    Mercenary leader of a group calling themselves the Second Sons. Essos

  14. Roger König
    Posted March 29, 2013 at 11:32 am | Permalink

    “The Climb” could also refer to the “chaos trailer” which ended with “The Climb is all there is..:”

  15. Hassan Madkour
    Posted March 29, 2013 at 11:33 am | Permalink

    Imp,

    And cat’s brother who’s getting married…

  16. WoetotheUsurper
    Posted March 29, 2013 at 11:34 am | Permalink

    Skip Lannister: Seems a little early for “the climb”, if it’s what I’m thinking it is so it likely isn’t. Hmmmm….

    In my copy the wildings climb the wall on page 280ish out of 760

  17. Arkash
    Posted March 29, 2013 at 11:34 am | Permalink

    I always thought the climb would be in episode 5 but it’s been a few days now we know it is the title of episode 6… so episode 6 will be the last one with cinematography in Iceland… except if episode 5 ends up with Jon and co starting the climb, then no more Iceland from that point on…. or again, we could have no more Iceland from episode 3/4 if they shoot the rest of the walk to the Wall in Ireland (forest)… we shall see…

  18. ACVG
    Posted March 29, 2013 at 11:35 am | Permalink

    the climb is either reffering to oft seen image of thormund climbing ice from all of the trailors or its reffering to LF’s “climb” from his chaos teaser.
    robb is not a 2nd son <— totally not, i think he's actually older than the person your referring to
    2nd sons is prob just what they are going to collectively call of those sellsword groups we encounter

  19. WheelofIceandFire
    Posted March 29, 2013 at 11:36 am | Permalink

    http://www.hpb.com/heroes/#vote

    Arya Stark has made it to the lost two female characters and is now up against Xena. She has to win this :)

  20. Arkash
    Posted March 29, 2013 at 11:40 am | Permalink

    “Stormcrows” would have been a hell of a title too… and it could also have referred to the Night’s Watchers, but well, let’s go for “Second Sons” which have much more double-meanings.

  21. Vicarious
    Posted March 29, 2013 at 11:41 am | Permalink

    Rafa,

    The Second Sons are a Sellsword company lead by Brown Ben Plumm.

  22. Roger König
    Posted March 29, 2013 at 11:41 am | Permalink

    Ramsay is also a second son ;)

  23. Ro
    Posted March 29, 2013 at 11:41 am | Permalink

    Second Sons obviously has multiple meanings. Episode 8 will probably be Tyrion’s wedding and he’s the second son of the Lannister family. Probably references the mercenary company in Dany’s storyline. Stannis is the second son of the Baratheon family so there could be a storyline there in episode 8. Bran is technically the second son of the Stark family.

  24. WheelofIceandFire
    Posted March 29, 2013 at 11:43 am | Permalink

    Im suprised that nobody has said that this is proof that the PW is happening this year and that seconds sons also refers to Tommen :)

  25. Hounded
    Posted March 29, 2013 at 11:43 am | Permalink

    The climb – Wildlings climbing the wall and climbing the ladder of power like Littlefinger’s speech.

    Second Sons – Daario is the commander of the Second Sons and it could also refer to some second-born sons from the series. Tyrion? Bran? Stannis?

  26. Daemon
    Posted March 29, 2013 at 11:45 am | Permalink

    I think too much is being made of double meanings when you consider that most of the first 20 episode titles refer to only one plotline. I’m sure there will be plenty of Second sons in that episode but it probably only refers to Daenerys’ storyline.

  27. Daemon
    Posted March 29, 2013 at 11:45 am | Permalink
  28. Ro
    Posted March 29, 2013 at 11:47 am | Permalink

    Hounded,

    Daario is not the commander of the Second Sons. At this point, that’s Mero.

    WheelofIceandFire,

    What do you see that has anything to do with the PW?

  29. biobi
    Posted March 29, 2013 at 11:52 am | Permalink

    WheelofIceandFire,
    Gods be good please no

  30. WheelofIceandFire
    Posted March 29, 2013 at 11:53 am | Permalink

    Ro,

    It was a joke :)

  31. Sky Aero
    Posted March 29, 2013 at 11:55 am | Permalink

    WheelofIceandFire,

    I think I voted 100x for Arya :)

    Also some for Ripley!

    Now i got blocked haha!

  32. zod
    Posted March 29, 2013 at 11:55 am | Permalink

    Another review (minor “spoilers” inside.. and actual quotes from the episodes): http://thinkprogress.org/alyssa/2013/03/29/1791171/review-game-of-thrones-rises-to-greatness-in-its-third-season/

    I really enjoyed reading that one.

  33. biobi
    Posted March 29, 2013 at 11:55 am | Permalink

    Daario= Stormcrows

    Mero (Titan’s Bastard)=Second Sons

  34. Jared
    Posted March 29, 2013 at 11:57 am | Permalink

    Double meanings seem likely for both of these titles. “The Climb” will certainly feature the wildlings climbing over the wall, as seen in the trailers. This fits with what we know of Jon Snow’s story arc, with the cave scene with Ygritte and The Lord’s Kiss happening in Episode 5, “Kissed by Fire”, and Queenscrown likely to appear in episode 7 or 8. As several others have noted, this episode also seems a likely candidate for Littlefinger to give his “chaos is a ladder” speech.

    “Second Sons” (a good title, in my opinion) will obviously feature Dany’s confrontation with The Second Sons as led by Mero outside of Yunkai. It’s a good bet that Daario and the Stormcrows will make their debut here as well. It’s the symbolic nature of the title that strikes me as the most intriguing, as there are several other people that it could refer to.

    Tyrion: Previous filming reports indicated that Tyrion and Sansa’s wedding would happen in Episode 8. Even if it’s been shifted forward to “The Bear and the Maiden Fair”, the title would still resonate as the storyline would likely explore Tyrion’s second class status and the scorn and ridicule he receives from Tywin and Joffery for his refusal to consummate the marriage against Sansa’s will.

    Bran: Ned Stark’s second trueborn son. As mentioned above, Queenscrown seems a fair bet for this episode. It’s possible we could get the story of The Knight of the Laughing Tree here. Obviously it happens much earlier in the books, but it’s the kind of thing that could be shifted later, if it even makes the cut.

    Jon: Setting aside those of us who hold to R+L = J, which hasn’t been hinted at by the series to the same degree Jon would be considered Ned Stark’s second son by age, complicated by his ‘second class’ status as a bastard. A good theme to explore in the episode where he deserts the wildlings, where he is judged on his own merits, to return to the Night’s Watch, where his bastard status continues to haunt him despite nominal pledges of equal merit.

    Other less-likely possibilities include Stannis (further musing on how he’s always been overlooked) or Ramsay (if he’s revealed himself to Theon by this point, he may tell him the story of how his trueborn half-brother came to die. It would be a change, but they’re largely breaking new ground with this arc anyway).

    Granted, some of these ideas may be a stretch, but I guess will find out soon enough.

  35. Adam Whitehead
    Posted March 29, 2013 at 12:00 pm | Permalink

    The Second Sons is a mercenary company operating in Slaver’s Bay. Interesting, because:

    The Second Sons aren’t the company that Daario and Prendahl – who have been cast – are part of. That’s the Stormcrows. Based on what WiC was saying on Twitter, it sounds like HBO thought there were too many mercenary companies and are consolidating, so the Stormcrows might be gone and Daario and Prendahl are now members of the Second Sons.

    Which is fine, but it does complicate things later on. In the books, the Second Sons are commanded by the disreputable Mero. He is killed by his second-in-command, Brown Ben Plumm, whom takes over and also swears to Daenerys. He abandons her service when she loses control of the dragons, however. It is this group which Tyrion and Jorah – somewhat reluctantly – join in Book 5.

    Eliminating the Stormcrows means they’ll have to now have the Second Sons rebel with Plumm emerging to command them in a later season. Doable, but just means things have to be shuffled around a bit. It’d also be good to hear them mention the Golden Company this season to set up that storyline ahead of time as well.

  36. biobi
    Posted March 29, 2013 at 12:07 pm | Permalink

    Adam Whitehead,

    Mero is not killed by Brown Ben.

    Mero tries to kill Deanerys, Arstan stops him, and her campfollowers tear him apart

  37. Sky Aero
    Posted March 29, 2013 at 12:11 pm | Permalink

    Was Mero the guy that took a dump in front of Dany and the rest of her entire army?

  38. Mescalinic
    Posted March 29, 2013 at 12:13 pm | Permalink

    it’s almost sure we will never have Brown Ben on the show. it’s obvious, and honestly it’s totally good for the show..he’s an absolutely useless character until..well, ever. his “role” in TWOW can be changed into pretty much everything, the only thing that matter is tyrion getting to Meereen and you have 1000 thousands possibilities to do that, everyone more fan to watch than the book’s one :D

  39. Elisa
    Posted March 29, 2013 at 12:14 pm | Permalink

    GeekFurious,

    I thought George wrote episode 9, Rains of Castamere?

  40. amplifyme
    Posted March 29, 2013 at 12:17 pm | Permalink

    Hounded:
    The climb – Wildlings climbing the wall and climbing the ladder of power like Littlefinger’s speech.

    Second Sons – Daario is the commander of the Second Sons and it could also refer to some second-born sons from the series. Tyrion? Bran? Stannis?

    Sandor Clegane?

  41. QueenofThorns
    Posted March 29, 2013 at 12:18 pm | Permalink

    Mescalinic: t’s almost sure we will never have Brown Ben on the show. it’s obvious, and honestly it’s totally good for the show

    I agree, I like brown ben but hes an obvious cut if there ever was one.

  42. Varamyr Fourskins
    Posted March 29, 2013 at 12:18 pm | Permalink

    If my theory is correct, “Second Sons” is ALSO in reference to Azor Ahai, the Prince Who Was Promised, the Great Other and the Night’s King.

    1. Jaime is Azor Ahai — 2nd Son of Aerys Targaryen (Rhaegar was Aerys’ first, but Jaime & Cersei are his kids by virtue of the rape of Joanna Lannister — a crime witnessed by Ilyn Payne, for which he had his tongue cut out).

    2. Tommen is the Prince Who Was Promised — 2nd Son of Jaime.

    3. Bran is the Great Other — 2nd Son of Ned Stark (Jon Snow was Ned’s sister’s son, FYI).

    4. Jon Snow is the Night’s King — 2nd son of Rhaegar Targaryen..

    So, there you have it. A big clue, IMO.

  43. GG
    Posted March 29, 2013 at 12:20 pm | Permalink

    Imp,

    Isn’t Robb a first son?

  44. gobucks
    Posted March 29, 2013 at 12:21 pm | Permalink

    Hassan Madkour,

    Edmure is a first son. As is Robb..

  45. GG
    Posted March 29, 2013 at 12:22 pm | Permalink

    Hassan Madkour,

    Isn’t Edmure Hoster’s only son?

  46. Isabelle
    Posted March 29, 2013 at 12:26 pm | Permalink

    zod,

    Thanks for this–great read. I love the quotations she included and can’t wait to see them play out on screen, both the familiar ones and the ones newly created for the show. I feel for Margaery–can’t a girl have a date without talking about killing something?

    GG:
    Hassan Madkour,

    Isn’t Edmure Hoster’s only son?

    He definitely is, though Hoster may have wished that Catelyn was born a boy. The episode might cover Edmure’s insecurities if an earlier episode hadn’t already.

  47. superdeluxe
    Posted March 29, 2013 at 12:27 pm | Permalink

    WheelofIceandFire:
    http://www.hpb.com/heroes/#vote

    Arya Stark has made it to the lost two female characters and is now up against Xena. She has to win this :)

    up by about 20 votes. Really Close!

  48. GG
    Posted March 29, 2013 at 12:27 pm | Permalink

    Jared,

    Based on what I’ve read of spoilers Ramsay reveals himself within the first 4 eps. F&B talked about it in the spoilers

  49. Zack
    Posted March 29, 2013 at 12:30 pm | Permalink

    GG,

    Yes. Brynden is Hoster’s brother, not son, and I don’t think Cat mentions brothers besides Edmure

  50. Scott
    Posted March 29, 2013 at 12:33 pm | Permalink

    I saw the first episode last night at a promotional event hosted by local cable company. Without ruining anything, it won’t disappoint, but it mostly fills the role of a scenesetter for the rest of the season. Fans will like the scenes behind the Wall, and Daenerys’s scenes in Astapor are excellent. Some variations from the book, but that’s unavoidable and weren’t distracting. The CGI effects are again spectacular, as good as anything in a movie.

  51. pntrlqst
    Posted March 29, 2013 at 12:34 pm | Permalink

    Adam Whitehead,

    Why cast both Prendahl and Mero if Stormcrows and Second Sons are merged?

  52. superdeluxe
    Posted March 29, 2013 at 12:37 pm | Permalink
  53. Carne
    Posted March 29, 2013 at 12:37 pm | Permalink

    Interview with Rory McCann: http://www.guardian.co.uk/tv-and-radio/2013/mar/29/rory-mccann-game-of-thrones#.UVWVLsMwkzg.reddit

    Wilko Johnson is back in season 3 it seems.

  54. Turri
    Posted March 29, 2013 at 12:38 pm | Permalink

    GG,
    As I understood it, “boy” reveals himself to be part of the ruse and actually a torturer, but never his real name.

  55. Laura
    Posted March 29, 2013 at 12:41 pm | Permalink

    Sky Aero,

    That was Strong Belwas. Mero is the guy that tries to kill Daenerys, Arstan saves her then Mormont tells Danny he’s in fact Ser Barristan Selmy.

  56. superdeluxe
    Posted March 29, 2013 at 12:42 pm | Permalink

    Alyssa with a great tweet:

    Alyssa Rosenberg ‏@AlyssaRosenberg 53m

    #GameofThrones S3 Thought 2: The material the show’s adding that’s not in the books is extremely strong and emotionally rich.

    D&D gets this world.

  57. Neosmith
    Posted March 29, 2013 at 12:44 pm | Permalink

    I did a little digging, using the schedule pages and I gotta say – the whole ‘extra episode in extra minutes’ thing they’ve said earlier is a bunch of baloney. I mean, Martin himself stated in an interview that episodes could be 62 minutes long or something, but the HBO website’s running time figures don’t correspond to that.

    Sure, they probably don’t count recaps and stuff, but honestly the S3 running times are pretty close to S1.

    Here’s a breakdown:

    E S1 S2 S3
    1 62 53 55
    2 56 54 57
    3 58 53 54
    4 56 51 57
    5 55 55 57
    6 53 54 57
    7 58 56 57
    8 59 54 57
    9 57 55 ?
    10 53 64 ?
    T 567 549 451+

    Averages:
    Season 1: 56.7/episode
    Season 2: 54.9/episode
    Season 3: 56.375/episode (as of now)

    As you can see, S2 was simply shorter length-wise than S1 by 18 minutes. S3 looks to return to the more S1 length. We are getting a longer season than S2, but it’s far from an extra hour and it won’t be much longer than S1 if at all.

  58. Summer Is Coming
    Posted March 29, 2013 at 12:46 pm | Permalink

    zod, Great, great read! Thank you! One of the best! Varys, Maragery, characters that are not depicted nowhere else.

    pntrlqst, Prendahl was cast for Daario to kill and prove himself to Dany, and Mero was cast as the new leader of the Second Sons and to avenge Predahl and kill the dragon whore. Of course, it doesn’t work for him! Each will appear in one maybe 2 episodes tops.

  59. Jeff
    Posted March 29, 2013 at 12:47 pm | Permalink

    Rafa,

    The free company

  60. Skipjack
    Posted March 29, 2013 at 1:00 pm | Permalink

    Varamyr Fourskins,

    I don’t know what this says about me but I both really like your theory and find it preposterous. It sure makes a nice change from some of the other theories, but it requires some serious fanwanking. For one thing, if Bran is the Great Other, wth are the actual Others? For another, if Tommen is the Prince Who Was Promised, why is he such a pudgy drip? And if Jon Snow is the Night King, doesn’t he have to take an Other bride, but his brother/cousin Bran is the Great Other so how does that work? And who builds the Wall and why? Anyway, thanks for making me think about it from another angle :)

  61. Darquemode
    Posted March 29, 2013 at 1:01 pm | Permalink

    Varamyr Fourskins,

    Hmm interesting.
    I always consdered theory 1 as very possible, but had not thought of Tommen as TPwP ever.

    I have wondered if Bran is the Great Other or at times. Jon too. The original Night King was a Bran Stark according to Old Nan…. so that might be too obvious past is prologue for GRRM I guess. A bit of a shift if he makes our most recent Lord Commander Snow follow in the footsteps of his ancetor the Night King. Interesting.

    However I had never ade the connction aout them all being “second sons”! Nice catch! Great food for thought!
    Still ot entirely sold on any of the theories though.

  62. biobi
    Posted March 29, 2013 at 1:06 pm | Permalink

    Varamyr 4skins:

    Now that is far out

  63. Ren Snow
    Posted March 29, 2013 at 1:09 pm | Permalink

    Ro,

    Daario is never a Second Son. He’s a Stormcrow. Though they can pretty much make him a Second Son.

  64. Alan
    Posted March 29, 2013 at 1:09 pm | Permalink

    Imp:
    Then there are actual second sons, such as Tyrion and Robb.

    Robb’s older than Jon, I believe — also BOOK SPOILERS there’s a good chance they are cousins, not brothers.

    There’s also a chance that Tyrion and Jaime are half-brothers — I suppose that still makes him a second son.

  65. Sarah
    Posted March 29, 2013 at 1:10 pm | Permalink

    Elisa,

    No, he said he wouldn’t want to as its too difficult for him, being emotional and all. It was revealed he wrote episode 8 months ago.

  66. Hassan Madkour
    Posted March 29, 2013 at 1:11 pm | Permalink

    GG,

    Sorry i thought the black fish was his older brother

  67. lightning lord
    Posted March 29, 2013 at 1:12 pm | Permalink

    Too many spoilers folks, catch yourself on. Not everyone has read the books. I have but not everyone so sort it out u plebs.

  68. steiner
    Posted March 29, 2013 at 1:16 pm | Permalink

    We’ve know “The Climb” for a while now but “Second Sons” is an excellent title.

    I’m surprised so many people have forgotten what happens – I found it very memorable. Essentially, Dany tricks Mero into thinking that he’s outwitted her and secured a present of loads of wine. With the Second Sons steaming drunk Daenerys attacks in episode 10 ‘Mhysa’. The Stormcrows absolutely have to be in there as a separate mercenary company. The key point there is that Daario brings Dany the heads of the other captains, allowing the Stormcrows to defect to her side

  69. Tyrion Pimpslap
    Posted March 29, 2013 at 1:16 pm | Permalink

    Neosmith,

    In the ‘Entertainment Weekly’ piece that first reported the news of longer episodes, they said S3 would average about 57 minutes per episode, which looks to be accurate. Where they differed from your numbers was the average length of the S2 episodes. I think they reported most S2 episodes at being around 52 minutes.

  70. Virtus
    Posted March 29, 2013 at 1:22 pm | Permalink

    From the ThinkProgress review: “… Ros as an adviser to court treasurer Littlefinger …” Ugh…

  71. Neosmith
    Posted March 29, 2013 at 1:26 pm | Permalink

    Tyrion, I respectfully disagree.

    You’re right about the 57/episode average, but the article states also:

    – “There’s still 10, but you’ll get a little more each week than previous seasons.”

    -”Says HBO in a statement: “All 10 episodes gained a minute or two from past seasons with the finale very possibly exceeding 60 minutes.””

    -”“So for people clamoring for another episode, it’s in there,” Weiss says. “It’s just been cut into tiny pieces.””

    I also swear George Martin stated in a recent interview about episodes being 62-64 minutes, but I can’t remember where that is.

    My point being, S3 isn’t really supersized. Even if the finale runs over an hour, that’s already something S2 had done and it won’t make the season significantly longer than S1 or S2.

    The simple truth is that S2 comes up short when you tally the numbers.

  72. Gonfaloniere
    Posted March 29, 2013 at 1:27 pm | Permalink

    Maybe the Alyssa Rosenberg piece should come with a warning about spoilers (she doesn’t directly mention events, but I wish I’d known there were large blocks of actual dialogue in that review as well as her interpretation of the dialogue’s delivery, e.g. I really wish I didn’t know that Brienne is contemptuous of Jaime after his hand’s cut off and refers to it as “one taste of the real world.” I guess that fits Show!Brienne, but one of the things I liked about her in the books so much is that she was able to be compassionate to someone she hated because she managed to look past the fact that Jaime was an asshole to her and see a person who was suffering.” Good thing she isn’t in charge of Theon :P

    I also really didn’t want to know that Ros and Shae are interacting and how that changes the whole Ros-as-Dontos dynamic and basically anything about Ros or Talisa’s storytime with Lannister kids or whatever.

    In short, it was just too much information (that I of course, didn’t stop reading when I had the chance, even though I wish I had!) But I’m glad that she seems so positive about the season especially that she says it’s intellectually and emotionally more moving etc. than the previous two seasons. It sounds like they have gotten the balance between plot and character a lot more steady this season.

  73. Virtus
    Posted March 29, 2013 at 1:31 pm | Permalink

    Gonfaloniere,

    Didn’t she mean that Brienne said that after beating Jaime in the sword fight?

  74. Gonfaloniere
    Posted March 29, 2013 at 1:34 pm | Permalink

    Virtus,

    I really hope you’re right, Virtus! (And you may well be, in which case I don’t have a problem with the dialogue or the tone, though I still wish I hadn’t read it – it’s harder to keep an open mind about stuff when you already know/think you know what’s coming :P (It would be a more understandable reaction from Brienne in that context. But aren’t they captured immediately after the swordfight? Does Jaime even have time to whine about his defeat and have Brienne give him a little speech about sucking it up? I think I prefer the book version where she doesn’t say anything but just tries to drown him :P

  75. steiner
    Posted March 29, 2013 at 1:38 pm | Permalink

    Virtus,

    Please don’t post stuff from reviews without spoiler tags. (I haven’t read your comment because now that Season 3 is literally around the corner I want to minimise any extra knowledge I get about the show. Apologies if what you type isn’t actually a spoiler at all…I just saw a couple of names and thought it might be)

  76. Maxwell James
    Posted March 29, 2013 at 1:41 pm | Permalink

    Gonfaloniere,

    Yeah, I enjoy Alyssa’s blog but she’s definitely casual about spoilers. Proceed with caution.

    One of my favorite reviewers, Matt Zoller-Seitz, is still on board: http://www.vulture.com/2013/03/tv-review-game-of-thrones-strikes-back.html

    I really hope no one spoils him, because this one criticism from his piece:

    Game of Thrones isn’t a particularly deep show, and by this point I think it should be clear that it’s not obsessed with being one. Its characters tend to fall into three categories: essentially good, essentially evil, or weak/opportunistic/confused.

    is one that he’s going to end up rethinking, big time, in the months to come.

  77. Gonfaloniere
    Posted March 29, 2013 at 1:49 pm | Permalink

    Maxwell James, I know no one forced me to keep reading once I realized she was quoting large chunks of dialogue – I just have no self-control so I had to read to the end once I began though I probably wouldn’t have started reading if I’d known beforehand. So I just thought I’d warn others who have similar lack of self-control.

    I am delighted to read how much she likes it though because I really respect her as a critic and I think her review seems to confirm that this season will be not only beautiful to look at but deeply engaging emotionally which we need for Storm of Swords. And nice to know as well that the D&D added material is excellent as well.

  78. superdeluxe
    Posted March 29, 2013 at 1:52 pm | Permalink

    Gonfaloniere:
    Maybe the Alyssa Rosenberg piece should come with a warning about spoilers (she doesn’t directly mention events, but I wish I’d known there were large blocks of actual dialogue in that review as well as her interpretation of the dialogue’s delivery, e.g. I really wish I didn’t know that Brienne is contemptuous of Jaime after his hand’s cut off and refers to it as “one taste of the real world.” I guess that fits Show!Brienne, but one of the things I liked about her in the books so much is that she was able to be compassionate to someone she hated because she managed to look past the fact that Jaime was an asshole to her and see a person who was suffering.” Good thing she isn’t in charge of Theon :P

    I also really didn’t want to know that Ros and Shae are interacting and how that changes the whole Ros-as-Dontos dynamic and basically anything about Ros or Talisa’s storytime with Lannister kids or whatever.

    In short, it was just too much information (that I of course, didn’t stop reading when I had the chance, even though I wish I had!) But I’m glad that she seems so positive about the season especially that she says it’s intellectually and emotionally more moving etc. than the previous two seasons. It sounds like they have gotten the balance between plot and character a lot more steady this season.

    She mentions spoilers at the start of the article.

  79. caoimay
    Posted March 29, 2013 at 1:53 pm | Permalink

    I JUST HAD A SCARY THOUGHT!

    What if they have a double wedding in episode eight, oh god no!

    im way off right they would never butcher the story line like that

  80. Tyrion Pimpslap
    Posted March 29, 2013 at 1:55 pm | Permalink

    Maxwell James,

    Wow. His opinion of the characters could not be further from the truth.

  81. Baihu1983
    Posted March 29, 2013 at 1:57 pm | Permalink

    So episode 4 will most likely be

    The Mutiny at Craster’s Keep?

  82. Tyrion Pimpslap
    Posted March 29, 2013 at 1:59 pm | Permalink

    Baihu1983,

    Yes, Craster and Mormont die in this episode, it is also the episode where Dany acquires the Unsullied and Drogon burns Kraznys.

  83. Maxwell James
    Posted March 29, 2013 at 2:03 pm | Permalink

    Tyrion Pimpslap,

    I think his view is entirely reasonable considering he’s a non-reader. The show has made Tyrion more heroic and Jaime more villainous. Dany still seems very heroic so far. Arya still seems like a tough, brave young girl and less like a future hardened killer. Cersei’s somewhat more sympathetic (and interesting) but not enough to make a difference. Jon might be dumber than he is in the books, but he’s still well-intentioned for the most part.

    But so much is going to change in the next season and a half. I think it will blow his mind.

  84. Joey
    Posted March 29, 2013 at 2:13 pm | Permalink

    Ashley,

    I hope we have plumm.

  85. Joey
    Posted March 29, 2013 at 2:16 pm | Permalink

    WheelofIceandFire,

    pw wont happen this year.

  86. Joey
    Posted March 29, 2013 at 2:20 pm | Permalink

    Mescalinic,

    we will have brown ben I bet. it just wond be until season 4 or 5

  87. umuckurlife
    Posted March 29, 2013 at 2:21 pm | Permalink

    WheelofIceandFire,

    Hah. I didn’t even know this was going on. Good stuff. But how the hell could Korben Dallas beat Paul Atreides? Paul is the flippin’ Kwisatz Haderach! lol

  88. Zoltán
    Posted March 29, 2013 at 2:37 pm | Permalink

    The Climb could refer to Littlefinger marrying Lysa Arryn as well. He climbs up to the Eyrie and climbs up on the social ladder to become the Lord Regent of Vale. Then he returns to King’s Landing to take Sansa away in Season 4. After all, “The Climb is all there is.”

    The second meaning of The Climb could be the scaling of the Wall.

  89. Joshua Taylor
    Posted March 29, 2013 at 2:41 pm | Permalink

    umuckurlife,

    Whoever voted against Mua’dib now has an appointment with the gom jabbar.

  90. Erik
    Posted March 29, 2013 at 2:50 pm | Permalink

    Ned told Catelyn that Jon is younger than Robb to allay her fears of Jon somehow stealing her son’s birthright. In reality it seems likely that Jon is slightly older, if you subscribe to a certain theory.

  91. Hounded
    Posted March 29, 2013 at 2:59 pm | Permalink

    Sorry I was wrong about Daario being leader of second sons. He’s in charge of Storm Crows. Mero is the leader of the second sons. I guess this could be the episode where Dany gives him the wagon of wine and his men get too drunk to fight. We also know episode 8 will be Tyrion/ Sansa wedding so it could also refer to Tyrion (being the second son of Tywin) and possibly something to do with Stannis and Bran as well.

  92. Aurane
    Posted March 29, 2013 at 3:08 pm | Permalink

    WheelofIceandFire: http://www.hpb.com/heroes/#voteArya Stark has made it to the lost two female characters and is now up against Xena. She has to win this :)

    Thank you for voting!
    Arya Stark 50.09% (3,177 votes)

    Xena 49.91% (3,165 votes)
    Total Votes: 6,342

    Lol it’s a dead race between Arya and Xena :)

  93. Phil
    Posted March 29, 2013 at 3:12 pm | Permalink

    sorta hoping they moved tyrion and sansa’s wedding to episode 7. I’d like it even before that, because having a wedding in episode 8 and the RW in episode 9 is too soon.

  94. Turncloak
    Posted March 29, 2013 at 3:16 pm | Permalink

    Second Sons huh? Maybe we will have Cole MacGrath in that episode ;)

  95. Timmen
    Posted March 29, 2013 at 3:28 pm | Permalink

    Aurane,

    Arya is not really much of a hero at this point lol

  96. Timmen
    Posted March 29, 2013 at 3:30 pm | Permalink

    Tyrion Pimpslap,

    I would love a detailed explanation of how this scene went down in the show compared to the book, it looks like Dany is holding Drogon’s chain in trailers, while in the book Kraznys is holding it when he does his thing isn’t he?

  97. Liz B.
    Posted March 29, 2013 at 4:08 pm | Permalink

    WheelofIceandFire,

    But Oberyn Martell hasn’t been cast! The lack of Martells makes me think the PW storyline doesn’t happen until next season…

  98. Liz B.
    Posted March 29, 2013 at 4:14 pm | Permalink

    Maxwell James,

    And remember, constant readers (sorry, Stephen King), Jaime came off as a flat-out narcissistic ass for some time before we begin to understand him a bit. I’m re-reading SOS right now and halfway through I can still see little to like about Jaime. And there are so many depths to Tyrion….and Arya is, I think, the most true-to-book character in the series.

  99. tysnow
    Posted March 29, 2013 at 4:58 pm | Permalink

    More than likely they will just have Daario has head of Second Sons, get rid of Meero completely, he isn’t necessary.

  100. zod
    Posted March 29, 2013 at 5:01 pm | Permalink

    tysnow,

    Mero has been cast. So, no.

  101. Gonfaloniere
    Posted March 29, 2013 at 5:02 pm | Permalink

    superdeluxe,

    She says that the review “discusses minor plot points” not “repeats large amounts of dialogue verbatim and discusses scenes that have been created for the show and which are completely new even to book readers.” *shrugs* I realize it was my own choice to continue reading, but for other book readers who think the “spoiler” warning is about book plot points, it isn’t. No big, I like her reviews. Just wish I hadn’t read the spoilers!

  102. The Queen's Hand
    Posted March 29, 2013 at 5:23 pm | Permalink

    WheelofIceandFire:
    Im suprised that nobody has said that this is proof that the PW is happening this year and that seconds sons also refers to Tommen :)

    … No, it is not happening this year. There isn’t time to do any of the setup for it, nor any indications that it has been filmed.

  103. The Queen's Hand
    Posted March 29, 2013 at 5:24 pm | Permalink

    tysnow:
    More than likely they will just have Daario has head of Second Sons, get rid of Meero completely, he isn’t necessary.

    Unlikely as he leads to one rather important moment The identity of Arstan being revealed.

  104. zod
    Posted March 29, 2013 at 5:30 pm | Permalink

    The Queen’s Hand,

    There will be no “Arstan” in the show. Barristan uses his real identity when he introduces himself to Daenerys.

  105. WildSeed
    Posted March 29, 2013 at 6:11 pm | Permalink

    Adam Whitehead:
    The Second Sons is a mercenary company operating in Slaver’s Bay. Interesting, because:

    The Second Sons aren’t the company that Daario and Prendahl – who have been cast – are part of. That’s the Stormcrows. Based on what WiC was saying on Twitter, it sounds like HBO thought there were too many mercenary companies and are consolidating, so the Stormcrows might be gone and Daario and Prendahl are now members of the Second Sons.

    Which is fine, but it does complicate things later on. In the books, the Second Sons are commanded by the disreputable Mero. He is killed by his second-in-command, Brown Ben Plumm, whom takes over and also swears to Daenerys. He abandons her service when she loses control of the dragons, however. It is this group which Tyrion and Jorah – somewhat reluctantly – join in Book 5.

    Eliminating the Stormcrows means they’ll have to now have the Second Sons rebel with Plumm emerging to command them in a later season. Doable, but just means things have to be shuffled around a bit. It’d also be good to hear them mention the Golden Company this seasonto set up that storyline ahead of time as well.

    Correct , except on the Mero part. Eliminating the Stormcrows could make room
    for more interesting twists in other story lines.

  106. Turncloak
    Posted March 29, 2013 at 6:57 pm | Permalink

    caoimay: Wow. His opinion of the characters could not be further from the truth.

    Yes u are way off. Sansa/Tyrion Wedding has been confirmed for episode 8. RW has been confirmed for episode 9

  107. helena zoe
    Posted March 29, 2013 at 8:40 pm | Permalink

    WheelofIceandFire,

    no, i don’t think the PW will happen this season but SW and the RW will
    there’s a short period between them, don’t think the RW will happen any time soon

  108. Josla
    Posted March 29, 2013 at 9:09 pm | Permalink

    zod,


    So how are they going to play aroubd the treason plot with him and Jorah?

  109. Tyrion Pimpslap
    Posted March 29, 2013 at 9:47 pm | Permalink

    Josla,

    We’ll have to wait and see.

  110. redqueen
    Posted March 29, 2013 at 11:13 pm | Permalink

    Darquemode,

    Tomen is the easy one, 9th episode of season 2 – Cersei and her soliloquy with Tomen gave it away (and Martin wrote it).

  111. oierem
    Posted March 30, 2013 at 7:34 am | Permalink

    Arkash:
    I always thought the climb would be in episode 5 but it’s been a few days now we know it is the title of episode 6… so episode 6 will be the last one with cinematography in Iceland… except if episode 5 ends up with Jon and co starting the climb, then no more Iceland from that point on…. or again, we could have no more Iceland from episode 3/4 if they shoot the rest of the walk to the Wall in Ireland (forest)… we shall see…

    No, the climb was not shot in Iceland. Iceland will appear in episodes 1-5

  112. oierem
    Posted March 30, 2013 at 7:37 am | Permalink

    Neosmith:
    I did a little digging, using the schedule pages and I gotta say – the whole ‘extra episode in extra minutes’ thing they’ve said earlier is a bunch of baloney. I mean, Martin himself stated in an interview that episodes could be 62 minutes long or something, but the HBO website’s running time figures don’t correspond to that.

    Sure, they probably don’t count recaps and stuff, but honestly the S3 running times are pretty close to S1.

    Here’s a breakdown:

    ES1S2S3
    1625355
    2565457
    3585354
    4565157
    5555557
    6535457
    7585657
    8595457
    95755?
    105364?
    T567549451+

    Averages:
    Season 1: 56.7/episode
    Season 2: 54.9/episode
    Season 3: 56.375/episode (as of now)

    As you can see, S2 was simply shorter length-wise than S1 by 18 minutes. S3 looks to return to the more S1 length. We are getting a longer season than S2, but it’s far from an extra hour and it won’t be much longer than S1 if at all.

    The lenght of episodes 5-10 is not confirmed. It seems that HBO randomly assignes 57 minutes to every episode (episode 1 was previously listed as 57 minutes long as well.).
    In any case you’re right about the season not being longer than season 1 at all.

  113. Juego de tronos
    Posted March 30, 2013 at 8:12 am | Permalink

    The names have been changed or what is the news?

  114. CoronelTigh
    Posted March 30, 2013 at 10:39 am | Permalink

    My first thought when I read “Second Sons” is obviously Tommen and Bran, so yes, the red wedding.

    But after reading some of your comments I not so sure…

  115. Baihu1983
    Posted March 30, 2013 at 10:43 am | Permalink

    CoronelTigh:
    My first thought when I read “Second Sons” is obviously Tommen and Bran, so yes, the red wedding.

    But after reading some of your comments I not so sure…

    The RW will be episode 9

  116. Hounded
    Posted March 30, 2013 at 3:45 pm | Permalink

    Maxwell James,

    I’d be interested which of the three categories he thinks characters like Jaime, Theon, the Hound and Stannis would belong…

    I get what he means about some characters –

    good – Ned, Robb, Jon, Sansa
    bad – Joffrey, Cersei, The Mountain

    but certainly not all of them…

  117. TheNightFort
    Posted March 30, 2013 at 3:56 pm | Permalink

    Based on those episode titles it seems that Dany’s storyline this season will be roughly something like –

    Ep 1 – Arrive in Astapor, gets saved by Barristan
    Ep 2 – Meets Kraznys and Unsullied
    Ep 3 – Not much
    Ep 4 – Roasts Kraznys, takes Unsullied
    Ep 5 – Leaves Astapor and heads for Yunkai
    Ep 6 – Sets up siege lines around Yunkai
    Ep 7 – Meets with Mero, Daario etc
    Ep 8 – Executes plan of giving Mero the wine to get his men drunk
    Ep 9 – Not much (RW happening)
    Ep 10 – Yunkai surrenders – she rides through the crowds to shouting ‘Mysha!’

  118. Baramos
    Posted March 30, 2013 at 4:13 pm | Permalink

    I think “The Climb” refers more to Littlefinger’s speech about the Ladder of Chaos and climbing to rule that has been teased, more than the more obvious Wildlings scaling the Wall, though indeed it may refer to both. Second Sons again has a double meaning, too.

  119. El Beto
    Posted March 30, 2013 at 5:20 pm | Permalink

    WoetotheUsurper: Woeto

    Yes, yet remember the book is going to cover seasons 3-4.

  120. El Beto
    Posted March 30, 2013 at 5:21 pm | Permalink

    WoetotheUsurper,

    Yes, yet remember the book is going to cover seasons 3-4.

  121. Darquemode
    Posted March 30, 2013 at 5:42 pm | Permalink

    Juego de tronos,

    This is the first official confirmation that Episode 3.08 is titled “Second Sons” if I recall…..

  122. Craig
    Posted April 1, 2013 at 4:30 pm | Permalink

    I really don’t think Tommen can be TPWP.

    For one thing there’s the whole prophecy about him and Myrcella dying.

    All the book prophecies (in there many forms) always end up being accurate and coming true.

    Varamyr Fourskins: Azor Ahai, the Prince Who Was Promised, the Great Other and the Night’s King.

  123. Gatehouse Ami
    Posted April 28, 2013 at 7:26 pm | Permalink

    “The Climb.” Tyrion getting a leg up thanks to Dontos… to climb his bride. Gods, that’s unfortunate!


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